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A Nuanced Look at Brussels Journal's Latest Claim

Sat, Nov 3, 2007 at 3:10:41 pm PDT

At The Brussels Journal, Paul Belien tries to obfuscate the issue of Pim Fortuyn’s rejection of Filip DeWinter and the Vlaams Belang, with a little selective quoting from an article at Fortuyn’s web site: Pim Fortuyn on Filip Dewinter.

Here’s the article at the Fortuyn web site, in Dutch. It’s about a visit to the Netherlands by Filip DeWinter. As DeWinter was just beginning an interview, a leftist moonbat jumped out of the crowd and smeared chocolate on him.

I presume that’s a slur against the Belgians, but since I’m a knuckle dragging American neo-con, what do I know? The incident is similar to those well-known attacks at US institutes of higher learning against Ann Coulter and David Horowitz, except that in this country the leftists usually use pies, which is probably a slur against Soupy Sales.

Pim Fortuyn is on record as denouncing the attack on DeWinter.

Belien apparently believes he really zinged me with this one, and ends his post with the pointed question:

Will Little Green Footballs correct its disinformation?

Simple answer: No. To make a simple answer more nuanced, there’s nothing to correct.

The article quoted by Belien doesn’t refute the claim I made. Pim Fortuyn was not a supporter of Vlaams Blok/Belang. According to this Wikipedia entry:

Politicians, like prime minister Guy Verhofstadt (VLD), Karel De Gucht (VLD) and the late Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn have called the Vlaams Belang or its leaders “fascist.”

Further, the entry for Pim Fortuyn states, in a paragraph about his immigration views:

Fortuyn was the centre of controversy for his views on Islam and his anti-immigration positions. He called Islam “a backward culture” and said that if it were legally possible he would close the borders for Muslim immigrants.[3] He was labelled a far-right populist by his opponents and in the media, but he fiercely rejected this label [4] and distanced himself clearly from far-right politicians such as Filip Dewinter of Vlaams Blok (now Vlaams Belang), Jörg Haider of Austria or Jean-Marie Le Pen of France whenever compared to them.

There’s more information on the split between the Vlaams Belang and the party to which Pim Fortuyn belonged, LPF, at the List Pim Fortuyn entry:

In August 2004, the eight Members of Parliament for the LPF separated themselves from the rest of the party, and continued on their own. They wanted to keep LPF as their party’s name, but obviously the “other” LPF refused to share their name. The chaos continued when in 2005, member of parliament Hilbrand Nawijn started another controversy because of his association with Filip Dewinter, leader of the Belgian Vlaams Belang. This led to his separation of the fraction, forming his own one man party Group Nawijn. Nawijn is seen as a non-figure in Dutch politics, and polled for no seats in parliament. The connection with the Vlaams Belang is over; he said there are no structural connections planned. The last polls before the 2006 General Election correctly predicted the LPF not gathering enough votes to reach the Tweede Kamer.

(I know some will say that I’ve criticized Wikipedia—which I have—but for entries that are several years old, it’s a good bet that the information has been vetted and verified pretty well.)

Back to Belien’s post; he quotes Fortuyn as denouncing the chocolate smear attack on DeWinter, which Fortuyn definitely did. And I’ll join Pim Fortuyn in that; I also denounce that kind of attack on Filip DeWinter. It’s no secret that LGF doesn’t support attacks like that on either side of the Great Political Divide—or the Atlantic Ocean.

But Austrian LGF reader zuckerlilly accurately notes the salient point in this:

Not with a single word defends Mr. Fortuyn the ideology of Filip deWinter. Fortuyn is defending democracy and accuses the government, the police and all the persons in charge to be blind on the left eye, to accept violence if it is directed against non-lefties by lefties and demands protections also for those persons with whom they don’t agree. Even if you don’t like Filip deWinter it is not acceptable that he is physically assaulted and his car destroyed by lefties without intervention of the police.

Again: with not a single word does Pym Fortuyn defend the ideology of deWinter and the Vlaams Bloc.

Maybe you need to be a knuckle dragging neo-con (American or Austrian version) to grasp the nuance in this, but it’s obvious to me that denouncing a physical attack on Filip DeWinter is a long way from supporting Filip DeWinter’s ideology or party.

As I wrote above, I denounce the attack too, in the strongest terms possible. But I don’t think anyone’s going to mistake me for a Vlaams Belang supporter at this point.

Will Paul Belien retract his misleading post?

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1 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:13:38pm
Will Paul Belien retract his misleading post?

I predict he'll retract this sometime between now and never.

2 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:15:59pm

This makes my head spin & I'd rather go backpacking or join the Trappists.

3 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:18:34pm

re: #2 Ojoe

I'll be joining some monks myself in a bit, when I crack open a bottle of Chimay Grande Reserve.

4 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:18:37pm

nuance schmuance

5 basnata  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:18:47pm

hey, God bless everybody apart from islamoscum. I'm no axe-grinder. but I do think it's funny now that I was slammed earlier for referencing wikipedia

6 marwan's daughter  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:18:50pm

Chocolate Rain
Fascists getting smeared and smeared again
Chocolate Rain
That's one time I don't mind the stain.

Okay, smearing chocolate goes too far, but Filip Dewinter and other fascists deserve to be ostracized.

7 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:20:03pm

Enjoy Charles; I'm drinking coffee & working at the drafting board.

Beer tomorrow & an extra hour to enjoy it.

8 basnata  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:22:06pm

lol @ -1 kiddies. feel better?

9 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:26:06pm
10 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:26:12pm

I cannot condone these [far-left] activists = I support vlaams blok/belang.

That is really an extraordinary conclusion to leap to, and frankly it's reminiscent of the tactics employed by the ideological side they're accusing Charles of belonging to. Keep digging paul- you're bound to hit China at some point.

11 Dead Sea Squirrel  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:27:37pm

If this thing is going to be dragged out, I suppose someone will have to track down Fortuyn's "fascist" comment to the source

12 mean Gene  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:27:44pm

I am happily astonished at how quickly so amny lizards and Charles (of course) came up to speed on this issue.
What we're seeing in Europe now we might very likely experience a few years from now in the USA.
I had felt in the past that islamists would stick to the non-violent stages of islamization of the well-armed USA but that's not necessarily true.
And, anyway, sides are going to be lining up sooner rather than later.

13 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:29:28pm

re: #3 Charles

re: #2 Ojoe

I'll be joining some monks myself in a bit, when I crack open a bottle of Chimay Grande Reserve.

Oh man, I LOVE Chimay. But give me just the plain, old blue label. Orval and Duval come in a close second.

14 zygazint  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:30:37pm

re: #9 song_and_dance_man

Well, it's quite simple, really. Lose the racial supremists.

Sorta sums it all up nicely doesn't it?

15 whattheheck  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:31:54pm

Neocon the new N word.

16 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:33:54pm

re: #11 Dead Sea Squirrel

If this thing is going to be dragged out, I suppose someone will have to track down Fortuyn's "fascist" comment to the source

When we do that and present incontrovertable evidence they ignore it or change the subject.

17 Render  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:34:05pm

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

So when Paul Belien says this to Robert Spencer;

"The Vlaams Blok, predecessor to the Vlaams Belang, was founded in 1977 by Karel Dillen (1925-2007). Mr Dillen came from a non-political background. His father, an Antwerp labourer, abandoned his wife and their two sons when when Dillen was still a baby. He was raised by his mother. Neither he, nor his brother nor his mother were involved in any political activities at all during the war, let alone that they belonged to pro-Nazi and collaborationist groups."

Mr. Belien is deliberately leaving out highly relevant information about Karel Dillen's long history with post-war nazi's, (including Leon DeGrelle), as well as failing to mention the undisputed fact that Karel Dillen translated a Holocaust denial book in 1951, and remained friends with it's author, (Maurice Bardeche), until the authors death in 1998.

This is factual information that Karel Dillen himself does not deny.

LYING
BY
OMISSION,
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18 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:34:31pm

Neo-con

/Drink!

19 markie  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:34:32pm

re: #9 song_and_dance_man

Shame on Pamela. Never say never.

20 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:35:51pm

re: #9 song_and_dance_man

This is an interesting comment by a Pamela:

C'est moi. Glad you liked it.

21 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:37:33pm

re: #12 mean Gene

I am happily astonished at how quickly so amny lizards and Charles (of course) came up to speed on this issue.
What we're seeing in Europe now we might very likely experience a few years from now in the USA.
I had felt in the past that islamists would stick to the non-violent stages of islamization of the well-armed USA but that's not necessarily true.
And, anyway, sides are going to be lining up sooner rather than later.

We are seeing it in America, in tracking this through a series of direct links from VB or SD sites to "subsidiaries" to White power sites, I've ended up at sites extolling the virtues of Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul several times.

22 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:37:46pm
23 Bill Amos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:38:11pm

Fox news has been reading LGF again

[Link: cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com...]

24 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:38:32pm

re: #17 Render

Of course, and then you have Filip Dewinter himself affirming that his party's roots are in the Nazi collaborators, which is exactly what Belien denied.

Haaretz:

Gustave "Staf" de Clercq, the Flemish nationalist leader during the war, openly collaborated with the Nazis. After the deportation of Jews began, he was said to have remarked: "Now we can breathe easier." Nevertheless, many members of your party revere his memory and participate in ceremonies to mark the anniversary of his death.

Dewinter:

He is one of the historic leaders of the party. This is part of the history of the Flemish nationalist movement and it is impossible to deny this. We are the descendants of this movement. Some of the members of the party attend these events because they want to honor the heritage of the Flemish movement....

[Link: www.filipdewinter.be...]

25 debutaunt  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:38:48pm

Completely true but not truly complete. Gee, I hadn't noticed.

26 BillLangston  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:39:44pm

re: #14 zygazint

re: #9 song_and_dance_man

Well, it's quite simple, really. Lose the racial supremists.

Sorta sums it all up nicely doesn't it?

That is it for sure but I don't think it will ever be that simple; this issue is like nitroglycerin, very sensitive!

It is interesting for me to sit back and watch the thing blow up. The Europeans are reaping what they have sown and we should take note of how it develops so we can prevent it from happening here.


SF
Bill

27 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:40:32pm

re: #9 song_and_dance_man

Very interesting. I've noticed she's been rather quiet on the whole VB/SD thing the past few days. Methinks she's seen the light.

28 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:40:59pm
29 Dead Sea Squirrel  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:41:06pm

Frankly, DeWinter lost me when he said that it was "wrong" for the earlier incarnation of his movement to collaborate with the Nazis because the Nazis didn't come through with the expected support for their nationalist project. That chills the blood when you think about it.

30 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:41:28pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

re: #9 song_and_dance_man

Very interesting. I've noticed she's been rather quiet on the whole VB/SD thing the past few days. Methinks she's seen the light.


NO! NO! Wrong Pamela! I posted that, not Atlas

31 abolitionist  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:41:57pm

Quote by zuckerlilly originally had an embedded link (Dutch language):
Not with a single word defends Mr. Fortuyn the ideology of Filip deWinter.

32 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:42:25pm

Dillen's son, Koenraad "Koen" Dillen also is in EU parliament, and is on the "Identity, Tradition, Sovereignty" group along with Le Pen, Mussolini, and others including a Bulgarian known for sending emails insulting Rom MEU's with statements like "you can buy a better looking 12 year old Gypsy in my country cheap."

33 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:42:29pm

re: #28 song_and_dance_man

re: #20 wahabicorridor


re: #9 song_and_dance_man

This is an interesting comment by a Pamela:

C'est moi. Glad you liked it.

Really? I wrote "by a Pamela" because there was no link to the Pamela known best to LGF.


LGF has never known me as Pamela. Let's talk about something else.

34 debutaunt  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:42:33pm

re: #30 wahabicorridor
30 wahabicorridor 11/03/07 3:41:28 pm reply quote report 0

re: #27 Killgore Trout

re: #9 song_and_dance_man

Very interesting. I've noticed she's been rather quiet on the whole VB/SD thing the past few days. Methinks she's seen the light.


NO! NO! Wrong Pamela! I posted that, not Atlas


Well, cut it out!

35 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:44:30pm

re: #9 song_and_dance_man

Until she says something about this on her blog, I'm going to assume it's a different Pamela.

36 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:44:36pm

re: #31 abolitionist

Quote by zuckerlilly originally had an embedded link (Dutch language):
Not with a single word defends Mr. Fortuyn the ideology of Filip deWinter.

That's the same link I have near the top of my post. Zuckerlilly's comments are hers, they're not a quote from the article -- I wanted that to be clear.

37 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:45:16pm

re: #30 wahabicorridor

Ah- that's why I was skeptical.

38 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:45:28pm

You mean .. there's more than one Pamela?

Come on. Impossible.

39 Yanqui in Europe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:45:44pm

As far as Belgian beers go, I prefer the triples such as Chimay White (AKA Cinc Cents) myself.

But if you want a really good dark abbey ale, Charles, try St. Bernardus Prior 8.

40 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:46:19pm

I really wish Paul Belien and co. would get over this - I'd much rather be researching CAIR and ISNA than them.

41 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:46:44pm

re: #38 Charles

You mean .. there's more than one Pamela?

Come on. Impossible.


Well, um, I'm just the most important one.

Now back on topic oh scaly ones!

42 jcm  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:47:10pm

OT

A classic game just wrapped up.
Navy in the 3rd OT over UND.

43 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:47:23pm

There's a really good US brewer that does it Belgian style: Fat Tire Ale.

44 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:48:03pm

From a Sharmuta post on an earlier thread - am I the last one to know that Robert Spencer had de-linked Brussels Journal from his blog?

45 jcm  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:48:47pm

re: #43 Charles

There's a really good US brewer that does it Belgian style: Fat Tire Ale.

Their Trippel, Abbey and 1554 is good too,

46 Yanqui in Europe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:49:19pm

#29 Dead Sea Squirrel

Yes, that was in the interview Charles posted a link to a while ago.

"It would have been OK to collaborate with the Nazis if they had helped us gain independence, but they didn't, so it was a mistake".

Not a quote from Dewinter, but that's certainly the implication. Chilling is the right word.

47 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:49:36pm

From "Don't know much about History" -- Why was Kansas "Bloody" pg. 155 just after noting the Republican Party forms itself on May 9th, 1854 as a mostly anti slavery party for mostly economic and political reasons.

"The betrayal of the Missouri Compromise just about killed the Democratic Party in the north. With the opposition to the Kansas-Nebraska Ast as their cornerstone, the Republican Party mushroomed. Another new party also profited from Douglas's bargain with the South. Born of fierce opposition to the waves of immigrants entering America, they were called Nativitists, and an ugly racist streak lay beneath their dislike of foreigners and Catholics. Initially a secret society they preached the twin virtues or white Protestantism and defensive nationalism, they were called the "Know-Nothings" because they always answered " I don't know" when asked about their party. Their message struck home in the mid 1850's and they became a powerful splinter party force, capturing a substantial number of Congressional seats and state legislatures."

Where are they today? I don't know.

48 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:49:52pm

re: #39 Yanqui in Europe

As far as Belgian beers go, I prefer the triples such as Chimay White (AKA Cinc Cents) myself.

But if you want a really good dark abbey ale, Charles, try St. Bernardus Prior 8.

In the summertime and its hot, there is no better beverage on planet Earth than a Hoegaarden.

/and if anybody out there never had one, find one today!

49 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:49:54pm
50 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:50:57pm

re: #43 Charles

I'm partial to Belgian white ales.

/Hope that's not racist.

51 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:51:33pm

re: #50 Sharmuta

re: #43 Charles

I'm partial to Belgian white ales.

/Hope that's not racist.

That's the ticket!

52 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:51:42pm

Who will be the first to step up and defend Paul Belien?

/shall we bet on the comment #?

53 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:51:53pm
54 Render  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:51:54pm

Had a Watou Tripel a couple of weeks ago.

It did not go well with my chili.

AT
ALL,
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55 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:52:53pm

re: #52 Killian Bundy

Who will be the first to step up and defend Paul Belien?

/shall we bet on the comment #?


Ok, you rigged that with jeppo, didn't you?

Yes, you did, fess up.

56 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:53:01pm
57 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:53:12pm

re: #52 Killian Bundy

Who will be the first to step up and defend Paul Belien?

/shall we bet on the comment #?

Too late to bet!

58 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:53:54pm

re: #35 Sharmuta

I noticed that Gates o' Veinna put up a big post about the conference: A Report on the Counterjihad Summit

Much of the video was supplied by Pamela but she hasn't posted it on her site. She might be distancing herself from the whole ordeal, as she should.
I also noticed how they whitewashed the Bios of the more unsavoury attendants: Biographies

Belgium: Filip Dewinter

Dewinter is the most eminent person of the political party Vlaams Belang (The Flemish Interest), the Flemish-secessionist party. In November 1987 he was elected for the first time in the Belgian Parliament. Under Dewinter’s leadership, the parliamentary faction continued to grow, notably in 1991, when the Vlaams Belang, from a small party, grew to about 12% of the voters. This growth has continued ever since, making the party the biggest in Flanders according to polls. In 1995 Dewinter became a member in the Antwerp City Council. When the Flemish Parliament and the Belgian Parliament got elected separately in 1995, he chose to be a member of the Flemish Parliament en became faction leader of the group Vlaams Belang. In 2004 the Vlaams Belang faction in de Flemish parliament got 24% of the voters en became the biggest political faction in the whole Flemish Parliament.Dewinter was re-elected ever since.


No mention of his early roots with Jongerenfront and no mention of Vlaams Block being outlawed just a few years ago.

59 Mike in Georgia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:54:47pm

I am having a perfectly chilled Caffeine Free Diet Coke.
Eat your hearts out.

60 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:54:59pm

re: #52 Killian Bundy

It will be a few hours. They only come out after dark.

61 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:55:22pm
62 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:55:39pm

I stand corrected.

63 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:56:48pm

Okay, everyone together

I am Pamela

64 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:57:07pm
65 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:57:25pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

I was just over there myself, as well as atlas'. Seems her comment section is bare today- except for the Blondie video she posted. Looks like chen's found a new place to hang.

66 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:57:40pm

re: #63 Eowyn2

Okay, everyone together

I am Pamela


I think this is becoming a drinking thread. Lemme go get the bottle. Back in a flash.

67 Yanqui in Europe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:58:23pm

#29 Dead Sea Squirrel

#46 Yanqui in Europe (reacting to self)

So the question really is: do we want an ally who implies he would have accepted the Nazis as allies if it would have advanced his nationalist project? Two alliances away from a potential Nazi alliance is perhaps a bit too close. To put it mildly.

Re Belgian-style ales. I'll have to give Fat Tire a try next time I'm in the States.

68 Racer X  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:58:37pm

Mmmmmm...Fat Tire.

I have a few bottles left in my fridge now. Will go well with a nice steak later.

69 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:59:06pm
70 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 3:59:10pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

re: #35 Sharmuta

I noticed that Gates o' Veinna put up a big post about the conference: A Report on the Counterjihad Summit

Much of the video was supplied by Pamela but she hasn't posted it on her site. She might be distancing herself from the whole ordeal, as she should.
I also noticed how they whitewashed the Bios of the more unsavoury attendants: Biographies

Belgium: Filip Dewinter

Dewinter is the most eminent person of the political party Vlaams Belang (The Flemish Interest), the Flemish-secessionist party. In November 1987 he was elected for the first time in the Belgian Parliament. Under Dewinter’s leadership, the parliamentary faction continued to grow, notably in 1991, when the Vlaams Belang, from a small party, grew to about 12% of the voters. This growth has continued ever since, making the party the biggest in Flanders according to polls. In 1995 Dewinter became a member in the Antwerp City Council. When the Flemish Parliament and the Belgian Parliament got elected separately in 1995, he chose to be a member of the Flemish Parliament en became faction leader of the group Vlaams Belang. In 2004 the Vlaams Belang faction in de Flemish parliament got 24% of the voters en became the biggest political faction in the whole Flemish Parliament.Dewinter was re-elected ever since.

No mention of his early roots with Jongerenfront and no mention of Vlaams Block being outlawed just a few years ago.

Wow, that's classic. No mention of any controversy whatsoever.

71 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:00:12pm

re: #59 Mike in Georgia

I am having a perfectly chilled Caffeine Free Diet Coke.
Eat your hearts out.


what's the point? Thats like having a caffeine free, calorie free hershey bar.

72 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:00:36pm

Same with the Sweden Democrats bio. No mention of any controversy at all.

73 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:00:37pm

re: #66 wahabicorridor

captain and oj

74 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:00:38pm

re: #71 Eowyn2

re: #59 Mike in Georgia


I am having a perfectly chilled Caffeine Free Diet Coke.
Eat your hearts out.

what's the point? Thats like having a caffeine free, calorie free hershey bar.


No point. He's drinking nothing.

75 vxbush  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:00:44pm

re: #71 Eowyn2

Don't speak blasphemy.

76 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:01:20pm

re: #70 Charles

Same with the Swedish Democrats. Not a single mention of Nazi uniforms. I'm sure it's due to clerical errors.

77 Yanqui in Europe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:02:59pm

#66 wahabicorridor

Did you say "drinking thread"? Why, what a good idea. Getting a bottle of Rochefort 10...

Why are none of the great Belgian beers from Flanders?

78 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:03:26pm

Man, I think I'm going over to the Night Shop for a Hoegaarden and a Chimay Blue.

79 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:04:05pm

re: #72 Charles

Of course they would whitewash the bios- they are not disinterested parties at gov, yet you're the one taking flack for not being biased. How sad.

80 ContraJihadi  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:04:48pm
...it’s obvious to me that denouncing a physical attack on Filip DeWinter is a long way from supporting Filip DeWinter’s ideology.

Brussels Journal continually promotes this kind of confusion, intimating that because A does not believe B should be physically attacked, A supports B's position. Belien himself is either very confused or very mendacious.

And despite all the protestations on how VB has only incidentally appeared with hard core anti-Semites like those on the Political Cesspool, Belien hasn't even tried to respond to the concern about the Odin's Cross statuette in the DeWinter video and why it was so incongruously (compared to the rest of the narrative) emphasized.

It is possible that the members of VB will suppress their more extreme positions for a time, while the fight against the jihadis in Europe remains the most important fight to finish, but I would not trust them afterward if ever that fight should be won.

81 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:04:51pm
82 ec marm  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:04:55pm

Ich bin ein amerikanisches Knöchelschleppen gewesen neo-con.

83 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:05:52pm

re: #77 Yanqui in Europe

Why are none of the great Belgian beers from Flanders?

I really hope that wasn't addressed to me. As far as I can tell, all beer tastes like what I imagine bear whiz must taste like.

Of course, I was raised on Iron City, so my palate never had much hope.

84 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:05:58pm

re: #82 ec marm

Knöchelschleppen!

Drink!

85 Catttt  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:06:17pm

OT Michael Yon was just on CNN - talking good news - mood way up everywhere he goes/ deaths down.

86 ec marm  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:06:31pm

re: #84 Charles
Beatcha to it.

87 Yanqui in Europe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:07:20pm

The Flemish are known for their Sour Ales, partly fermented with micro-organisms other than yeast--in particular lactobacillus, which gives them something like the flavor or sour milk. About as appetizing as the VB.

Here's to the Trappist brothers, Charles... *raises glass*

88 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:08:19pm
89 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:08:51pm

re: #85 Catttt

OT Michael Yon was just on CNN - talking good news - mood way up everywhere he goes/ deaths down.

And CNN let him talk?

WOW

90 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:09:02pm

So my German's not great ... is...

ein amerikanisches Knöchelschleppen gewesen neo-con

...proper grammar for a rotating headline?

91 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:09:20pm

The Atlas post I found interesting today is the raking of CAIR for attempting to gain legitimacy by honoring muslim WWII vets. She offers them no quarter going all the way back to WWII. They are bad today because they were bad then and their spots haven't changed. But apparently not so with the people behind VB, Before 1996 they were bad, but since they were good, so they are ok now. What has removed their spots? Just because they have developed a common cause with her? That doesn't mean any of these spots have changed. What's her fallback plan if it all goes sour. Being cute is not going to help.

The main thing for me is the Celtic cross monolithic and central to all the books behind it. It's an important spiritual and mundane rallying point to him. A guiding light so to speak. I will have to see him denouce that cross as a neo nazi symbol, tell me where he bought it or who gifted it to him. And he probably has to convert to Judaism before I re open the door that is being shut to him.

And we see some of the raw animalistic feedback coming back at LGF from people agreeing with VB and disagreeing with LGF. Seems to state who they really are.

If VB has a rally and there are neo nazi flags present and known questionable characters they need to use their mob force to remove those elements from the rally.

and in my further reading of this event I find the Belgian Law and Judicial authorities to be just as reprehensible as people here find VB. When I read their actions, all I think is that someday Amercian soldiers are going to have to fix what the leftist dolts in Belgium have wrought. I never ever entertained we would go back to Europe ever as a military force until sometime earlier this week.

GI Joe a solider for Brussels? Yah that is a laugh. Talk about your bad symbolisms.

92 thecapitalist  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:09:29pm

"Again: with not a single word does Pym Fortuyn defend the ideology of deWinter and the Vlaams Bloc."
This sounds like a straw man argument to me.

93 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:10:12pm

Well, this is anticlimactic.

/maybe open registration would help

94 SirRobert  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:10:51pm

Can someone nutshell this argument for me? I am so confused.

I get the feeling that 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' is hooking up some groups 'watching islamofascism' with 'white separatist' groups. Kind of like how the progressive/socialist movement is hooking up with the islamicfascist sympathizers. (a joint venture which I cannot wrap my brain around in the least)

Is it a 'big tent' vs 'little tent' argument?

95 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:10:51pm

Man, I could really go for a beer right now, but I don't have any.

Hmm, whisky or gin? ...Whisky or gin?

...

Whisky!

96 Catttt  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:11:04pm

re: #89 NJDhockeyfan

re: #85 Catttt


OT Michael Yon was just on CNN - talking good news - mood way up everywhere he goes/ deaths down.

And CNN let him talk?

WOW

Not only that, they are backing it up with a rather long story full of facts that support him. They still are being cautious, but on the optimistic side. Example - "This is real progress."

Pinch me. :)

97 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:11:04pm

re: #80 ContraJihadi

Belien himself is either very confused or very mendacious.

I have another theory. Belien is accustomed to arguing with EUweenies.
Being bitch-slapped by Americans is a whole different experience. No rhetorical tools for that one.

98 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:12:22pm
99 StinkHammer  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:12:32pm
The incident is similar to those well-known attacks at US institutes of higher learning against Anne Coulter and David Horowitz, except that in this country the leftists usually use pies, which is probably a slur against Soupy Sales.

Wow, a Soupy Sales reference! That's practically Dennis Miller-esque.

100 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:13:02pm

re: #94 SirRobert

There's no tent big enough for Nazis.

101 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:13:37pm

re: #90 Charles

So my German's not great ... is...


ein amerikanisches Kn?lschleppen gewesen neo-con

...proper grammar for a rotating headline?

No. To begin with, as I believe ec marm is female, it should be eine. And no 's' on 'Americanische'.

What was this 'Kn?lschleppen' supposed to be ec marm?

102 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:13:56pm

re: #94 SirRobert

Yes, that's pretty much it in a nutshell.

And both the anti-jihad people and the white-supremacist people view each other as their "useful idiots", but only one of them are actually correct in this view (and hint: it's not the anti-jihad people).

And then there are some anti-jihad people who have come out in open support of the white-supremacist people lately. So... not cool.

103 Catttt  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:14:22pm

re: #97 wahabicorridor

re: #80 ContraJihadi


Belien himself is either very confused or very mendacious.

I have another theory. Belien is accustomed to arguing with EUweenies.
Being bitch-slapped by Americans is a whole different experience. No rhetorical tools for that one.

To borrow a phrase from Emma Lazarus, ""Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" :)

104 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:14:38pm
105 ec marm  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:15:05pm

re: #101 wahabicorridor
I'm male. It was the Bable Fish translation of:
I am an American knuckledragging neo-con.

106 ointmentfly  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:15:29pm

re: #85 Catttt

Don't look now Bin Laden..... looks like the ol US is might make it in Iraq. We are slamming the door to you in Afghanistan and Iraq, looks like Pakistan will be a secular dictatorship, Europe is waking up..... whats next? Is your cheese starting to gather like stalagtites it your pakistani cave? Just go ahead and martyr your lame ass....

107 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:15:52pm
108 Racer X  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:16:26pm

re: #91 hazzyday

When I read their actions, all I think is that someday American soldiers are going to have to fix what the leftist dolts in Belgium have wrought. I never ever entertained we would go back to Europe ever as a military force until sometime earlier this week.


That is a scary thought.

I think the one thing we have learned in the past few years is that the American military cannot go into other countries until the citizens of that country are predominately for it. If Europeans are not willing to take up the fight and invite the US to help, I say they are on their own.

109 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:16:43pm

Laphroaig single malt scotch

/Hella yeah

110 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:16:49pm

re: #96 Catttt

re: #89 NJDhockeyfan


re: #85 Catttt

OT Michael Yon was just on CNN - talking good news - mood way up everywhere he goes/ deaths down.

And CNN let him talk?
WOW

Not only that, they are backing it up with a rather long story full of facts that support him. They still are being cautious, but on the optimistic side. Example - "This is real progress."

Pinch me. :)


That is fair grounds for a flying pig award.

That report must've hurt alot for those at CNN.

111 Red Sock  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:16:51pm

I don't get it.

Why is Belien coming up with this article by Pim Fortuyn? Like everyone with a sense of democracy and freedom, Pim Fortuyn ridiculed the attack on deWinter and the justice department/Dutch public television doing nothing to stop it or prevent it in the future. Every sane person would denounce such a physical attack.

But nowhere in Fortuyn's article (I can read Dutch) he is saying he does agree with Filip deWinter. It is well known that Fortuyn didn't like the Vlaams Blok/Belang party and didn't want anything to do with it!

So what does Belien want to say with this? If he suggests that Fortuyn has written something in support of Vlaams Belang in his column, he is wrong, he is lying! Fortuyn did only say that it's wrong to attack him, that's all.

It says quite much that Belien has to lie to make his case... his article about the Fortuyn column is rubbish!

112 storagemanager  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:17:57pm

Pam writes about Muslim Nazi's...and ignores the current crop in Europe...amazing.

113 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:18:17pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

I have a collection of hotwheels, and not one porsche or mercedes.

114 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:18:27pm

re: #111 Red Sock

He's grasping at straws. The facts are not on his side, so he's been reduced to obfuscation and misdirection.

115 mean Gene  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:19:04pm

re: #72 Charles

Same with the Sweden Democrats bio. No mention of any controversy at all.

Charles, why be surprised?
Marxist-reviosonist history is based on scrubbing the past, erasing all mention of anything unsavory.
Just remember, the internet acts as a persistant memory machine.
It takes the place of the old classic historian who could footnote all his points.

116 storagemanager  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:20:08pm
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf imposed emergency rule in an attempt to reassert his flagging authority against challenges from Islamist militants, a hostile judiciary and political rivals.

General Musharraf said he decided to act on Saturday in response to a rise in extremism and what he called the paralysis of government by judicial interference.

"I fear that if timely action is not taken, then God forbid there is a threat to Pakistan's sovereignty," he said in a midnight televised address.

"I cannot allow this country to commit suicide."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

117 SeafoodGumbo  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:20:55pm

Charles,

Thanks for reminding me about Fat Tire; I had forgotten all about that great beer.

BTW, there's a couple typos in the post -- "Anne" Coulter & "vews."

118 SirRobert  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:21:05pm

Are they really Nazi's or just some fringe element that shows up to events.

An analogy is I like a large number of things Ron Paul stands for but his campaign has attracted a whole lot of weirdos to the point that I can't support him.

Another analogy is I really like and use Apple computers (since the 512K mac) but most mac users piss me off.

Does having 'one bad apple spoil a whole bunch'? (to bring donny osmond into this)

119 Racer X  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:21:51pm

re: #85 Catttt

OT Michael Yon was just on CNN - talking good news - mood way up everywhere he goes/ deaths down.

The left will spin this in 5..4..3..2..

We have accomplished all we can. Now it is up to the Iraqis. Bring our troops home now!

120 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:22:18pm

re: #111 Red Sock

Oh- and blatant misrepresentation. All leftist tactics they are employing while trying to claim it is Charles who is doing this. And they wonder why he called them repugnant.

121 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:22:54pm

re: #91 hazzyday

GI Joe a solider for Brussels?

Did you know the Belgian military is unionized? No joke. GI Joe may just be their best bet.

Thanks, ec marm!

122 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:23:36pm
123 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:24:47pm

re: #118 SirRobert

You can look though the links at the top of this thread for more background. They are parties formed by white supremacists and Nazi sympathizers.

124 ec marm  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:25:10pm

re: #115 mean Gene

Just remember, the internet acts as a persistant memory machine.


Ah yes, the persistence of memory. One of Dali's finest.

125 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:25:25pm

re: #118 SirRobert

Are they really Nazi's or just some fringe element that shows up to events.

Look, I don't want to be rude, but we have been looking into this since Oct 23. Don't ask us to rehash the whole thing here.

Yes, some are neo-nazis, racial supremists, etc. Unfortunately, they're in the leadership.

126 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:25:45pm

re: #101 wahabicorridor

re: #90 Charles

So my German's not great ... is...

ein amerikanisches Knöchelschleppen gewesen neo-con

...proper grammar for a rotating headline?
No. To begin with, as I believe ec marm is female, it should be eine. And no 's' on 'Americanische'.

What was this 'Kn?lschleppen' supposed to be ec marm?

Since it's to be a rotating title, 'ein' is appropriate I think. But you're right about losing the 's' on 'Americanische.'

127 jcm  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:27:49pm

re: #118 SirRobert

Are they really Nazi's or just some fringe element that shows up to events.

An analogy is I like a large number of things Ron Paul stands for but his campaign has attracted a whole lot of weirdos to the point that I can't support him.

Another analogy is I really like and use Apple computers (since the 512K mac) but most mac users piss me off.

Does having 'one bad apple spoil a whole bunch'? (to bring donny osmond into this)

You had to go and bring Mac Users into this....

128 Red Sock  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:28:32pm

re: #122 song_and_dance_man

There's no tent big enough for Nazis even though they agree with our view of radical Islam. We don't need that kind of help, but apparently some don't mind.

Why would they agree with us? Mein Kampf is a bestseller in many Islamic countries for years. Many top Nazi's fled to Islamic countries after the collapse of the Nazi-Germany (where they led anti-Jewish propaganda centres). The nazi's have far more in common with the Islamofascists than with us, so it's a bit strange they share the same views.

129 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:29:14pm

re: #125 wahabicorridor

re: #118 SirRobert

Are they really Nazi's or just some fringe element that shows up to events.
Look, I don't want to be rude, but we have been looking into this since Oct 23. Don't ask us to rehash the whole thing here.

Yes, some are neo-nazis, racial supremists, etc. Unfortunately, they're in the leadership.

It seems to me that the Sweden Democrats have made more of an effort to get rid of the outright fascists in the leadership. Both parties obviously still have a lot of support in the White Nationalist world.

130 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:29:41pm

No comment...
Ethiopia tackles Aids with coffee-flavour condoms


Around 300,000 of the coffee condoms were sold in a week when they were launched in September, according to the US charity DKT International.
...
"Everybody likes the flavour of coffee," said a spokeswoman.

The condoms are sold in packs of three for 1 birr, or about about half the price of a cup of coffee in Addis Ababa's cafes, and much cheaper than most other condom brands.

The dark brown condoms are made to smell like Ethiopia's popular macchiato, an espresso with a generous amount of cream and sugar.

131 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:29:45pm
132 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:30:00pm

re: #128 Red Sock

They agree because they want the non-white immigrants out of europe. Sound familiar?

133 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:30:02pm

re: #118 SirRobert

Not just some fringe element that "shows up". They were invited guests.

134 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:30:44pm

re: #126 Charles

But you're right about losing the 's' on 'Americanische.'

heh. Amerikanische. Can't even spell it myself!

135 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:31:03pm

Did anyone see Ann Coulter on Red Eye last night? A classic.

/a confused fish out of water

136 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:31:07pm

re: #131 jeppo

If you mean the VB, no they're not really Nazis and no one here has offered a scintilla of evidence to suggest otherwise.


You are a lying turd.

137 spam spam spam spam  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:32:47pm

These Flemish separatist Nazi's have gone too far. I'm up for doing whatever it takes to keep Belgium souverign- they MUST NOT be allowed to secede. Did we allow the southern states to secede? No! The Union was saved. Belgium is the home of NATO and can not be allowed to fall into nationalist/Nazi chaos. USA to kick some Flem ass if necessary!

138 storagemanager  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:32:59pm

re: #136 Killgore Trout

re: #131 jeppo


If you mean the VB, no they're not really Nazis and no one here has offered a scintilla of evidence to suggest otherwise.

You are a lying turd.

I have never seen a turd yet....that tells the truth.

139 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:33:22pm

re: #129 Charles

It seems to me that the Sweden Democrats have made more of an effort to get rid of the outright fascists in the leadership.

I'm still not clear if that purge came from the within the SD, or if it was self-selecting over to the Nationalists. Not quite sure where to assign credit, if any.

140 thecapitalist  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:33:38pm

re: #111 Red Sock
Where does Belien suggest that? Dewinter has criticized Fortuyn himself at times. For example, Dewinter thought that Fortuyn's characterization of Islam being a backward culture, strayed from Dewinter's position that Western culture should be seen as supreme to Islamic culture. Fortuyn was in favour of gay marriage, Dewinter is against. Most Republicans are against gay marriage as well, so they must be fascists as well I guess.

141 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:34:48pm

re: #131 jeppo

The VB are a perfectly respectable democratic political party

/he's about 455 yards away, he's gonna hit about a 2 iron I think

142 ec marm  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:35:10pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

No comment...
Ethiopia tackles Aids with coffee-flavour condoms


Condomantion building?

143 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:35:38pm

re: #137 spam spam spam spam

These Flemish separatist Nazi's have gone too far. I'm up for doing whatever it takes to keep Belgium souverign- they MUST NOT be allowed to secede. Did we allow the southern states to secede? No! The Union was saved. Belgium is the home of NATO and can not be allowed to fall into nationalist/Nazi chaos. USA to kick some Flem ass if necessary!


Oh puh-leeze. Belgium as a political construct was is completely artificial, unlike the United States. NATO can be relocated. Let Brussels have the U.N.

144 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:35:56pm

Got my Belgian beers, LOL.

145 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:36:28pm

The neo-nazis can whack at the jihadis on their own time, as far as I am concerned it is about equal to sunni extremist vs. Shia extremists.

146 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:37:40pm
147 konservo  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:37:49pm
re: #131 jeppo

If you mean the VB, no they're not really Nazis and no one here has offered a scintilla of evidence to suggest otherwise.

That's true. Vlaams Belang are not "Nazis" they are white supremacists and crypto-fascists.

The VB are a perfectly respectable democratic political party, no matter what the Socialist/Dhimmi alliance in Brussels says to the contrary.

Eh... no. The VB are disgusting and anything but respectable.

148 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:38:24pm
I am an American knuckledragging neo-con

Let's see. Nominative case - masculine (neo-con) would give us:

Ich bin ein Amerikanischer Knochleschleppender (add in umlaut) neo-con

right?

149 profitsbeard  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:38:53pm

re: #53 jeppo

Oh, now I get it:

Pim Fortuyn=good fascist
Filip Dewinter=bad fascist

Pim Fortuyn, who was assassinated in 2002, after being demonized for years as "extreme right" (even though he was actually a very liberal gay nationalist... or, more accurately, a conservative with libertarian leanings) by the rabid extreme-left press in Holland and Europe, simply because wanted his country to stop unchecked, unexamined Islamic immigration.

Because these "guests" were undermining the very liberties which he saw as the brilliant achievement of many centuries of struggle, from Von Leeuwenhoek (who began our understanding of the microscope), Spinoza (who championed religious freedom), Huygens (who formulated the aims of science) to Anne Frank (who demonstrated the meaning of valuable immigration).

He was about as much a "fascist" as Jefferson or Lincoln.

He saw the onslaught of Mohammedan intolerance into The Netherlands and wanted it controlled before it put his life (as a gay man) at risk, along with the entirety of the open culture of freedom of thought that Holland embodies (or is that now past tense: "embodied"?).

His political opponents (ultra-multicultral leftists/anarchists/ communists)
tarred him with the fascist brush, and, as a result, a "radical animal rights activist" shot him to death. Purportedly to stop this "dangerous man" and to show sympathy with the Muslims in The Netherlands who Fortuyn was supposedly "oppressing".

All because he asked them to adapt to Holland, and not simply try to colonize it with an alien ideology.

He was not in favor of "white power" or anything neo-Nazi-istic/fascistic, and mocked them at every opportunity.

He defended DeWinter only against leftist terrorism. Which he suffered himself (pies full of human excrement thrown in his face by "anti-fascists"). And he finally died as a result of the leftist's cry of : "He's a new Hitler!" -and from the delusional hysteria drummed up around him.

Read up on Pim F. before you start to echo any anarchist b.s. about him.

A funny, witty, humane guy, who might have saved Holland had he not been shot in the back by a fanatical coward.

150 storagemanager  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:39:11pm

Anyone who stands with neo-nazi groups...taints the cause...and gives the jihad ammo to use in newspaper ads...the sheep will eat.

151 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:39:19pm
152 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:39:20pm

re: #142 ec marm

It's just too early for most of the jokes I had on hand.

153 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:40:25pm

re: #146 jeppo

If you have any evidence proving they're not democratic, I'd love to see it.

Oh, they're democratic all right.

/you mentioned respectable, a word too far

154 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:40:43pm
155 marwan's daughter  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:41:29pm

I'm surprised the F-bomb hasn't come to defend VB again, even if it means digging till he reaches the fires of hell.

156 Josephine  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:41:31pm

re: #29 Dead Sea Squirrel

Frankly, DeWinter lost me when he said that it was "wrong" for the earlier incarnation of his movement to collaborate with the Nazis because the Nazis didn't come through with the expected support for their nationalist project. That chills the blood when you think about it.

That was my take on what he said, too.

157 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:41:44pm

re: #150 storagemanager

Anyone who stands with neo-nazi groups...taints the cause...and gives the jihad ammo to use in newspaper ads...the sheep will eat.

You got that right. Spot on even.

158 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:42:08pm

re: #75 vxbush

Sorry, got a little carried away there.

159 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:42:13pm

re: #131 jeppo

no they're not really Nazis and no one here has offered a scintilla of evidence to suggest otherwise.

So why were they trying to get to the SS graveyard with flowers in that video that Babbazzee put up, and why were the police blocking them? Can you explain that to me?

What is the meaning of the armband on the rat on page 12 in this magazine, can you help us understand what Frederick Pas aka Fre is getting at with the odin's cross arm-band?

Scroll down this page for the youth group , what's that on the poster for the film fest ?

Just trying to understand the meaning of all this, help us out if you would.

160 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:42:41pm

re: #148 Yank in the EU

Ich bin ein Amerikanischer Knochleschleppender (add in umlaut) neo-con

right?


neuer-kon?

161 marwan's daughter  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:43:44pm

I can't believe some people still fall for DeWinter's taqiyya. It's pretty obvious now. The leftist press doesn't need to do much to smear VB. They implicate themselves.

162 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:43:49pm
163 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:44:06pm

Where does that Dutch politician with the excellent funny golden hair fit into all this?

164 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:44:10pm

re: #148 Yank in the EU

is that equal to a jelly doughnut?

165 MamaAJ  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:44:52pm

I'm missing something here...why--in this context--is neo-con an insult? Is it a code word for being on the Israeli payrole?

/I said neo-con, so I'm finishing off my Fat Tire right now!

166 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:45:04pm

re: #154 song_and_dance_man
The scalding lawsuits are sure to put them out of business.

167 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:45:40pm
168 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:45:42pm

re: #160 wahabicorridor

re: #148 Yank in the EU


Ich bin ein Amerikanischer Knochleschleppender (add in umlaut) neo-con

right?


neuer-kon?


For these kinds of things they often keep the English -- like "neo-liberal."

Let's check the web.

169 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:46:20pm

re: #155 marwan's daughter

He can't.

170 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:46:36pm

re: #165 MamaAJ

I'm missing something here...why--in this context--is neo-con an insult? Is it a code word for being on the Israeli payrole?

/I said neo-con, so I'm finishing off my Fat Tire right now!


Depends on who is hurling it. I've seen libs use it to say neo-cons are just libs w/o the balls to be true conservative. But usually it just means 'dirty Jew'. That's the default.

171 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:46:41pm

re: #129 Charles

Charles... I'm not so certain. They've just become so frustratingly secretive nowadays, it's hard even for me (who has access to swedish information that the rest of you don't) to find out... well, anything about the party. Their political program is just a bunch of populistic fluff, written in as much of a pc language as you can find, but even with that in mind there's some really shady stuff there. Their immigration policy is written to be intentionally obfuscating, jumping through rethorical hoops to not say anything outright (but very much implying it). Information about who actually constitutes the upper echelon can only be found through second- or third-hand sources. Financing or supporters are impossible to locate. There doesn't seem to be any real tangible structure to the party, so researching them basically feels like looking at a big wall and trying to poke a hole through the exact right spot...

You were right when you said that the WN parties of Europe have become sneaky.

Problem is though, the fact that they're hiding as much as they can from public insight does nothing to reassure me about them.

Everything about them just tells me that what I am seeing is a facade.

172 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:46:47pm
173 abolitionist  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:47:24pm

re: #112 storagemanager

Pam writes about Muslim Nazi's...and ignores the current crop in Europe...amazing.

I found this at [Link: www.serbianna.com...] - about 75% down:

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"Kill, maim, get a state"
LISTEN Atlas On The Air.

I'm a bit tech-challenged with the streaming audio format for atlasshrug.ram so I've not yet heard what she has to say there. [Don't want to install RealPlayer™ - maybe I'll look for a substitute.]

174 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:47:39pm

re: #14 zygazint

re: #9 song_and_dance_man

Well, it's quite simple, really. Lose the racial supremists.

Sorta sums it all up nicely doesn't it?

Next you'll see the Euros who will stand around wringing their hands and making conciliatory noises, but won't quite be able to give up the addiction. "Lose the racial supremicists" is like saying "stop smoking...forever." Not likely. It may well be reworked into "hide the racial supremicists."

BTW I love Atlas's blog and snazzy video interviews. Been going there for years.

175 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:47:50pm

re: #160 wahabicorridor

Hmm, yeah! neuer-Kon! LOL

176 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:47:58pm
knuckle dragging neo-con

/whatever happened to mouth breather?

177 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:49:09pm

Can anyone here translate?

This is a MySpace webpage titled 'anti vlaams belang'. There are a few videos on there too. I cant watch them with dial up. Is there anything there?

178 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:49:12pm
179 storagemanager  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:49:49pm

re: #173 abolitionist
I saw what she believes today at hotair.

180 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:49:54pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

As opposed to just giving them indoor plumbing or something to keep the actual spead of aids down.

181 treesarie  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:50:51pm

I have been a many year reader of LGF and 'very' occasional poster. Many people here are very bright and I am usually 8 posts behind or more. All of you I am grateful for all the knowledge and wisdom I have gained by reading all of your posts. I have been sick for about two weeks and LGF all that transpired here since then has been an awakening again for me and a reminder of what I told my kids on 9/11.

One of the things I remember most about 9/11 is that everyone who was around or near Ground Zero had all taken one the 'grey hue' of the dust in the air. Everyone was 'grey'. People of European descent, Oriental descent, African descent and Middle Eastern descent were all grey. The Jews were grey, the Catholics were grey, the Protestants were grey, the Muslims were grey. Everyone was grey.

It was shockingly apparent to me on that day that we were all humans and all of our petty differences were secondary to this evil that was trying to destroy the country that allowed, encouraged and thrived on all different people from all lands coming together. It was really quite simple. No nuance.

I remember saying to my kids that all Americans are 'grey' today and that we all have a common enemy.

I hope Europe smartens up, for even though they may not have a day where everyone one is 'grey.' Surely, they must know that all humans bleed red.

Thanks for helping me to live history.

182 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:50:59pm
Ich bin ein Amerikanischer Knochleschleppender (add in umlaut) neuer-Kon.


But I would double-check with a native Deutschsprecher to see if we missed some quirks.

183 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:51:06pm

re: #174 Sunlight

She didn't post that at bj. It was someone else.

184 storagemanager  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:51:17pm

re: #174 Sunlight

re: #14 zygazint


re: #9 song_and_dance_man

Well, it's quite simple, really. Lose the racial supremists.

Sorta sums it all up nicely doesn't it?


Next you'll see the Euros who will stand around wringing their hands and making conciliatory noises, but won't quite be able to give up the addiction. "Lose the racial supremicists" is like saying "stop smoking...forever." Not likely. It may well be reworked into "hide the racial supremicists."

BTW I love Atlas's blog and snazzy video interviews. Been going there for years.


After today....I will not.

185 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:51:40pm
186 ec marm  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:51:48pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

It's just too early for most of the jokes I had on hand.


Fjork it.
I need a laugh, moved my 3,000 lb truck (with dead battery) yesterday by hand 20 feet to take down a tree, then moved it back. It didn't hurt then, but tylenol #3 and rum and coke is dulling the delayed pain.

187 abolitionist  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:51:53pm

re: #179 storagemanager

Thanks, I'll look.

188 jbt  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:52:04pm

re: #148 Yank in the EU

I am an American knuckledragging neo-con

Let's see. Nominative case - masculine (neo-con) would give us:

Ich bin ein Amerikanischer Knochleschleppender (add in umlaut) neo-con

right?

Isn't neo-con the noun here?

So...
Ich bin ein amerikanischer knochelschelppender Neokon

189 Racer X  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:52:30pm

Ackk.

I can only handle so much more of this VB / Belgium / Nazi argument. New topic please?

Off to watch football.

190 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:53:01pm

re: #176 Killian Bundy

knuckle dragging neo-con

/whatever happened to mouth breather?

Well, if you know anything about German dentistry..............

A friend of mine who used to live there said, "There's good news and there's bad news. The good news is that German dentistry lasts forever. The bad news is that German dentistry lasts forever."

191 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:53:07pm

re: #186 ec marm

the wench needs a winch.

192 storagemanager  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:53:08pm

re: #181 treesarie
Thank you...for that great post.

193 zygazint  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:53:22pm

re: #174 Sunlight

re: #14 zygazint

re: #9 song_and_dance_man

Well, it's quite simple, really. Lose the racial supremists.

Sorta sums it all up nicely doesn't it?

Next you'll see the Euros who will stand around wringing their hands and making conciliatory noises, but won't quite be able to give up the addiction. "Lose the racial supremicists" is like saying "stop smoking...forever." Not likely. It may well be reworked into "hide the racial supremicists."

BTW I love Atlas's blog and snazzy video interviews. Been going there for years.

Yes, it was another 'Pamela' that posted that - true nonetheless. And, Atlas is an amazing force for good in the fight against the global jihad.

194 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:54:08pm

re: #186 ec marm

tylenol #3

/got a prescription for that?

195 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:54:19pm

re: #164 Eowyn2

re: #148 Yank in the EU

is that equal to a jelly doughnut?


One of the strangest things in history. Kennedy actually said an acceptable phrase (to say he is a person from Berlin), but for some reason it got turned into gaff.

196 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:54:46pm

re: #188 jbt

re: #148 Yank in the EU


I am an American knuckledragging neo-con

Let's see. Nominative case - masculine (neo-con) would give us:
Ich bin ein Amerikanischer Knochleschleppender (add in umlaut) neo-con

right?


Isn't neo-con the noun here?

So...
Ich bin ein amerikanischer knochelschelppender Neokon

Ich bin, du bist, vie get?

197 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:55:01pm

re: #163 Ojoe

Where does that Dutch politician with the excellent funny golden hair fit into all this?


Hi all,
His name is Geert Wilders, he's on the Ayaan Hirsi Ali / Pim fortuyn political "line".

198 storagemanager  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:55:18pm

re: #193 zygazint
She insulted Charles...you are in his house.

199 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:55:19pm

re: #71 Eowyn2

re: #59 Mike in Georgia

I am having a perfectly chilled Caffeine Free Diet Coke.
Eat your hearts out.

what's the point? Thats like having a caffeine free, calorie free hershey bar.

Where do you get those?

200 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:55:30pm

re: #177 NJDhockeyfan

Most of the videos were included in Babba's report. The second to last one is of the Chocolate attack which I haven't seen before.

201 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:56:01pm

re: #193 zygazint

Sure she is- when she's not stabbing friends in the back or making apologies for crypto-fascists.

202 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:56:12pm

re: #139 wahabicorridor

Rest assured, the purges were not against people who were racist. The purges were against people who were blatant and obvious racists.

203 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:56:57pm

Anyone can form a political party.

/that doesn't mean it's respectable or morally justifiable

204 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:57:09pm

re: #195 Yank in the EU

I'm trying to remember my high school Deutch. I remember very little. Meine kleine schotze.

I think it had to do with the transpostition of the noun and predicate.

205 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:57:48pm

re: #182 Yank in the EU

But I would double-check with a native Deutschsprecher to see if we missed some quirks.

All the Germans I know are sound asleep. BTW, what the hell are you doing up at this hour? It must be 2 am where you are.

206 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:57:48pm

re: #188 jbt

Yes, that's what I mean with the nominative case -- looks like we agree, except the Germans actually translate the "neo."

/Hat tip Wahabi

207 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 4:59:15pm

re: #204 Eon

I'm trying to remember my high school Dutch.

I took Francais.

/what a waste of four years

208 storagemanager  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:00:04pm

re: #207 Killian Bundy

re: #204 Eon


I'm trying to remember my high school Dutch.

I took Francais.

/what a waste of four years


Better then Latin..lol

209 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:00:09pm
210 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:00:30pm

re: #201 Sharmuta

re: #193 zygazint

Sure she is- when she's not stabbing friends in the back or making apologies for crypto-fascists.

tales from the crypto-fascists?

I've enjoyed some of Atlas stuff. Same with zombie, jamie, urban infidel, sister toljah, captains quarters (which led me to day by day which i just love) etc.

211 zuckerlilly  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:00:45pm

re: #90 Charles

So my German's not great ... is...


ein amerikanisches Knöchelschleppen gewesen neo-con

...proper grammar for a rotating headline?


Charles these words make no sense ;-) the word "Knöchleschleppen" doesn't exist in the German language, I don't know what it should mean (sorry but can't stop laughing)

Knöchelschleppen*rofl*

Good night @all

212 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:00:56pm

re: #207 Killian Bundy

wee wee? mosure.

213 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:00:57pm

re: #205 wahabicorridor

re: #182 Yank in the EU


But I would double-check with a native Deutschsprecher to see if we missed some quirks.

All the Germans I know are sound asleep. BTW, what the hell are you doing up at this hour? It must be 2 am where you are.

It's only 1 AM. I'm actually a night owl and work best in the wee hours when everyone's sleeping. I think LGF has a few of those around. I know one for sure - M. Bensson-Levi.

214 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:01:31pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

re: #177 NJDhockeyfan

Most of the videos were included in Babba's report. The second to last one is of the Chocolate attack which I haven't seen before.

Thanks. Dial up really restricts my searching as does the language barrier.

215 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:01:33pm

re: #210 Eowyn2

My second favorite blog is lawhawk's.

216 ec marm  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:01:36pm

re: #194 Killian Bundy

/got a prescription for that?


Wife does! With a re-fill!
Wife: "Isn't there supposed to be a #3 on these?"
Me: "I think they come from China now."

217 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:01:40pm

re: #202 Truumax

re: #139 wahabicorridor

Rest assured, the purges were not against people who were racist. The purges were against people who were blatant and obvious racists.


Truumax, what was the impetus for that purge? Did it come from inside the SD or was it the 'obvious' evil doers who simply chose to go somehwere else?

218 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:01:43pm

re: #211 zuckerlilly

Trying to write

"I am a knuckle dragging American neo-con"

219 treesarie  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:02:31pm

I took 2 years of German in college all I remember is, to drink, aus trinken, was almost the same in both languages. ;-)

220 storagemanager  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:02:38pm

re: #210 Eowyn2

re: #201 Sharmuta


re: #193 zygazint

Sure she is- when she's not stabbing friends in the back or making apologies for crypto-fascists.


tales from the crypto-fascists?

I've enjoyed some of Atlas stuff. Same with zombie, jamie, urban infidel, sister toljah, captains quarters (which led me to day by day which i just love) etc.

Except...they did not attack Charles for telling the truth.

221 zygazint  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:02:42pm

re: #209 song_and_dance_man

Well I think I'll go get some pizza and see if Fat Tire is available at the local liquor store. They have a rather large selection of micro brewery stuff.

I'll join you. :)

222 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:02:45pm

re: #215 Sharmuta


I just found out he has one! I was shocked I tell ya.

223 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:04:01pm

re: #213 Yank in the EU

re: #205 wahabicorridor

re: #182 Yank in the EU


But I would double-check with a native Deutschsprecher to see if we missed some quirks.


All the Germans I know are sound asleep. BTW, what the hell are you doing up at this hour? It must be 2 am where you are.

It's only 1 AM. I'm actually a night owl and work best in the wee hours when everyone's sleeping. I think LGF has a few of those around. I know one for sure - M. Bensson-Levi.

Count me in the "ENOC" (European Night Owls Club ;-)

224 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:04:07pm

re: #217 wahabicorridor

It came from within the SD, in their ongoing attempts to improve their public image.

225 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:04:13pm

re: #211 zuckerlilly

We are going for:

I am an American knuckledragging neo-con

And came up with:

Ich bin ein amerikanischer knochelschleppender (add umlaut) neuer-Kon

How are we doing?

226 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:05:48pm

re: #223 Ashamed to be Dutch

re: #213 Yank in the EU


re: #205 wahabicorridor

re: #182 Yank in the EU

But I would double-check with a native Deutschsprecher to see if we missed some quirks.

All the Germans I know are sound asleep. BTW, what the hell are you doing up at this hour? It must be 2 am where you are.

It's only 1 AM. I'm actually a night owl and work best in the wee hours when everyone's sleeping. I think LGF has a few of those around. I know one for sure - M. Bensson-Levi.

Count me in the "ENOC" (European Night Owls Club ;-)

Heh, well, be warned. It can get a little nutty ;-)

227 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:06:11pm

re: #197 Ashamed to be Dutch

Thanks

228 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:06:13pm
229 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:07:03pm

re: #225 Yank in the EU

That's awesome. We need t-shirts!

230 zombie  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:07:05pm

In exactly an hour from now, Cindy Sheehan will address the Northern California Socialist conference:

Northern California Socialist Conference: War, Poverty, oppression: Building a Revolutionary Alternative

Featuring Cindy Sheehan

I won't be able to attend, but if anyone else in the Bay Area has the gumption -- go for it!

Also featuring a litany of montrosities on the Islamo-left.

Why is it that Cindy never gets called out by the MSM?

231 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:07:32pm

re: #220 storagemanager

re: #210 Eowyn2


re: #201 Sharmuta

re: #193 zygazint
Sure she is- when she's not stabbing friends in the back or making apologies for crypto-fascists.

tales from the crypto-fascists?
I've enjoyed some of Atlas stuff. Same with zombie, jamie, urban infidel, sister toljah, captains quarters (which led me to day by day which i just love) etc.

Except...they did not attack Charles for telling the truth.

that is true. but politics makes for strange bedfellows and, although I think she needs to open her mind to the history of these folks, they may have really down played the whole white power angle and simply gone the 'no immigration' angle. It wouldnt take much for some of us who oppose illegal immigration or oppose sharia law to get pinned with the donkey tail. How many of us think that the US is kow-towing to Muslim supremists on their demands to have foot baths installed in airports for the taxi drivers and tsa people?

The rift should not be allowed to degenerate into who is the most popular kid on the playground. That said. Dont taze me Charles. I arent even a registered person over there.

232 storagemanager  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:07:44pm

re: #228 jeppo
Killgore Trout was right.

233 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:09:09pm

re: #204 Eowyn2

Oh yeah, and now you're throwing possessive into the mix as well. That's always a blast -- not! :p

234 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:09:19pm

re: #230 zombie

Why is it that Cindy never gets called out by the MSM?

They agree with her?

235 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:09:43pm

re: #112 storagemanager

Pam writes about Muslim Nazi's...and ignores the current crop in Europe...amazing.

I would say many American Jews still cannot believe what the Euros did... and they look so normal and act so nice.

236 lurking faith  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:09:46pm

re: #90 Charles

So my German's not great ... is...


ein amerikanisches Knöchelschleppen gewesen neo-con

...proper grammar for a rotating headline?

I'd go with something like:
ein Amerikanischer knöchelschleppender Neo-Con
or
ein knöchelschleppender Amerikansicher Neo-Con
or
instead of Neo-Con you could use Neukonservativer

or you could use the plural and include us all:
knöchelschleppende Amerikanische Neukonservative

Hey, why is knöchel coming out like that? Ok, then: knoechel!

237 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:09:51pm

re: #90 Charles

You're the best. I bet you have lots of other great contenders from your mail bag this week. But this is a riot.

238 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:10:14pm

re: #177 NJDhockeyfan

The vids are of Blood & Honor Vlaams; they are overtly neo nazis, taking zero pains to hide it.

239 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:10:33pm

re: #230 zombie

In exactly an hour from now, Cindy Sheehan will address the Northern California Socialist conference:

Northern California Socialist Conference: War, Poverty, oppression: Building a Revolutionary Alternative

Featuring Cindy Sheehan

I won't be able to attend, but if anyone else in the Bay Area has the gumption -- go for it!

Also featuring a litany of montrosities on the Islamo-left.

Why is it that Cindy never gets called out by the MSM?

Sadly, I'm unable to attend.

Her useful idiot status for the MSM has expired.

240 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:10:53pm

re: #233 Yank in the EU

I think we have to do a

this American neocon drags her knuckles like a cromagnon man.

type of sentence.

241 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:11:55pm

re: #226 Yank in the EU

Heh, well, be warned. It can get a little nutty ;-)

Ok, I'll watch out ;-)

242 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:12:13pm

re: #239 JammieWearingFool

re: #230 zombie


In exactly an hour from now, Cindy Sheehan will address the Northern California Socialist conference:

Northern California Socialist Conference: War, Poverty, oppression: Building a Revolutionary Alternative

Featuring Cindy Sheehan

I won't be able to attend, but if anyone else in the Bay Area has the gumption -- go for it!

Also featuring a litany of montrosities on the Islamo-left.

Why is it that Cindy never gets called out by the MSM?


Sadly, I'm unable to attend.

Her useful idiot status for the MSM has expired.

Spit

243 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:12:32pm

re: #228 jeppo

What part of the vb party platform granting full amnesty to nazi collaborators don't you get?!

244 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:12:41pm

re: #223 Ashamed to be Dutch


Ashamed to be Dutch, can you comment on this?

Amsterdam Mayor Authorizes Demonstration of Extreme Rightists

Amsterdam mayor Job Cohen has authorized a demonstration by the extreme right wing Natinalistische Volksbeweging (NVB) in the Western part of Amsterdam on 24 November. The organization wants to demonstrate against the recent disturbances in the Slotervaart neighborhood. A demonstration by the NVB on 23 September had to be stopped by the police after fights broke out with extreme left wing demonstrators. The latter were supported by hooligan fans of the Amsterdam soccer club Ajax.

Thank you Truumax!

245 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:12:43pm

re: #238 Thanos

re: #177 NJDhockeyfan

The vids are of Blood & Honor Vlaams; they are overtly neo nazis, taking zero pains to hide it.

Interesting. Maybe that's what jeppo has been looking for.

jeppo?

246 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:13:18pm

What's a jeppo?

247 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:13:34pm

re: #242 Eowyn2

Were you able to access the links earlier?

248 lurking faith  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:13:57pm

Thanos

If you're still around, I sorta translated about half of that Smurfs article; tranlsation posted on the previous thread. I'm sure you'll be shocked to see that they ended up suggesting the Smurfs may or may not be communists, but may also be KKKers.

I need a drink after that.

Looks like I'm on the right thread, too!

249 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:13:59pm

re: #240 Eowyn2

re: #233 Yank in the EU

I think we have to do a

this American neocon drags her knuckles like a cromagnon man.

type of sentence.

Oh, we'll need Zuckerlilly to come up to the blackboard and give a full diagram of that one.

250 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:14:20pm

re: #243 Sharmuta

Nobody ever pays attention to party platforms anymore. I remember the old days (1776 through 2000) when the party platform was more important than the ugly hollywoodie in washington.

251 lurking faith  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:14:46pm

re: #246 WriterMom

What's a jeppo?


A VB-supporting word-twister.

252 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:14:56pm

Sniff sniff...

253 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:15:20pm

re: #249 Yank in the EU

I think she may have gone home.

Am going to do that now meeself.

Have a great weekend all

254 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:16:15pm

Speaking of the economy...I was just at our local upscale mall and the parking lot was Packed - just like it is right before Christmas.

I picked up my MAC at the Apple store and there were 60+ customers in the store - the most I have ever seen.

Lots of spending going on.......

255 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:17:20pm

re: #228 jeppo

Can you provide solid evidence that the VB are Nazis, fascists, white supremacists or anti-Semites?

They have a irrefutable, traceable history, haven't you been paying attention for the last two weeks?

/when twelve people tell you you're drunk, you'd better lie down

256 lurking faith  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:17:26pm

re: #92 thecapitalist

"Again: with not a single word does Pym Fortuyn defend the ideology of deWinter and the Vlaams Bloc."
This sounds like a straw man argument to me.


In what way is that a straw man argument? Please do explain.

/this should be good

257 Eowyn2  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:17:36pm

re: #247 JammieWearingFool


I can access the links to the different blogs. I get a bit blank square similar to the comments square here but it is blank. could be i have a block on the computer here at work. I'll check it out at the kids house and see if I can get in there to vote.

I do like your blog. Interesting stuff. and even some fun stuff too.

258 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:17:55pm

re: #254 DistantThunder

Speaking of the economy...I was just at our local upscale mall and the parking lot was Packed - just like it is right before Christmas.

I picked up my MAC at the Apple store and there were 60+ customers in the store - the most I have ever seen.

Lots of spending going on.......

I was at Best buy the other day and they are now selling Apple computers.

259 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:18:41pm

re: #139 wahabicorridor

re: #129 Charles

It seems to me that the Sweden Democrats have made more of an effort to get rid of the outright fascists in the leadership.
I'm still not clear if that purge came from the within the SD, or if it was self-selecting over to the Nationalists. Not quite sure where to assign credit, if any.

I'm sorry, but we just need to keep watching for the funky phone videos where these people are talking to their friends in private, not look at their public "positions." All they have to do is keep rolling over to the younger "leaders" who haven't been publically contaminated by the war and post-war.

260 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:19:06pm

re: #253 Eowyn2

re: #249 Yank in the EU

I think she may have gone home.

Am going to do that now meeself.

Have a great weekend all


We must have mangled her language.

Good plan. Wee bit knackered myself.

261 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:19:15pm

re: #177 NJDhockeyfan

Can anyone here translate?

This is a MySpace webpage titled 'anti vlaams belang'. There are a few videos on there too. I cant watch them with dial up. Is there anything there?

The two segments on Morel might prove interesting if we can find a translator, looks like they had to change or retract something controversial on their website. The debate in the VB meeting you hear them talking of nazis, but I don't know the context.

262 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:19:42pm

OT

Senility, Moonbatism, or both?

Justice Stevens regrets killing of Yamamoto in WW2

[Justice Stevens] won a bronze star for his [World War II] service as a cryptographer, after he helped break the code that informed American officials that Adm. Isoroku Yamamoto, the commander of the Japanese Navy and architect of the Pearl Harbor attack, was about to travel to the front. Based on the code-breaking of Stevens and others, U.S. pilots, on Roosevelt’s orders, shot down Yamamoto’s plane in April 1943.

Stevens told me he was troubled by the fact that Yamamoto, a highly intelligent officer who had lived in the United States and become friends with American officers, was shot down with so little apparent deliberation or humanitarian consideration. The experience, he said, raised questions in his mind about the fairness of the death penalty. “I was on the desk, on watch, when I got word that they had shot down Yamamoto in the Solomon Islands, and I remember thinking: This is a particular individual they went out to intercept,” he said. “There is a very different notion when you’re thinking about killing an individual, as opposed to killing a soldier in the line of fire.” Stevens said that, partly as a result of his World War II experience, he has tried on the court to narrow the category of offenders who are eligible for the death penalty and to ensure that it is imposed fairly and accurately.

Pathetic. Didn't swear out a warrant, did they?
"Give up, Iso, you're surrounded by P-38s. You are under arrest for malicious mischief at Pearl Harbor! Follow us to Guadalcanal or we'll shoot. And call off those goddamned Zeroes while you're at i...."

It seems to me that Stevens is confusing the judicial with the martial. Nobody alleged that Yamamoto was killed as punishment for a crime. He was killed to eliminate an enemy asset, like a tank or a submarine.

263 pat  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:20:32pm

No wonder Obama is tanking. He calls his cousin Dick Cheney, the VP of the USA, the crazy Uncle in the attic. The immaturity of modern politicians is astounding. All the Dems and most Republicans suffer protracted childishness. Obama is at the top. Send this man home.
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

264 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:21:07pm

re: #248 lurking faith

Thanos

If you're still around, I sorta translated about half of that Smurfs article; tranlsation posted on the previous thread. I'm sure you'll be shocked to see that they ended up suggesting the Smurfs may or may not be communists, but may also be KKKers.

I need a drink after that.

Looks like I'm on the right thread, too!

Thanks Kindly friend, I"ll pop back and take a look.

265 lurking faith  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:21:13pm

re: #195 Yank in the EU

No, he should have left out "ein".
If there's no adjective, you omit "ein" from statement such as "Ich bin Berliner" when it's about a person. If you include "ein" and say "ein Berliner", it does suggest you're talking about a thing, not a person. Specifically, a jelly donut.

/mmm, donuts

266 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:21:24pm

Wouldn't this be like the Minute Men incorporating the KKK into their efforts?

That move would dissolve any legitimate support for the Minute Men even while their goals remain admirable.

267 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:21:29pm

re: #228 jeppo

I missed the armbanded rat in the magazine...

You missed it? Have another look. It's on page 12, "De Striprubriek."

268 Render  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:21:45pm

[Link: www.nizkor.org...]

"With this very thing in mind I scanned the revolutionary events of history and put the question to myself against which racial element in Germany can I unleash my propaganda of hate with the greatest prospects of success? I had to find the right kind of victim, and especially one against whom the struggle would make sense, materially speaking. I can assure you that I examined every possible and thinkable solution to this problem, and, weighing every imaginable factor, I came to the conclusion that a campaign against the Jews would be as popular as it would be successful."

-A one nut paper hanger in 1922.

"Josef Hell, "Aufzeichnung," 1922, ZS 640, p. 5, Institute fuer Zeitgeschichte. The retired Major Josef Hell was a journalist in the twenties and in the beginning of the thirties, during which time he also collaborated with Dr. Fritz Gerlich, the editor of the weekly newspaper Der Gerade Weg, as cited in Fleming, Gerald. Hitler and the Final Solution. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1984. p. 17"

-Substitute the word "Muslims" for the word "Jews" in that quote and you get the party platform of VB.

GRIT
THOSE
TEETH,
R

269 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:21:58pm
270 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:22:50pm

re: #257 Eowyn2

re: #247 JammieWearingFool


I can access the links to the different blogs. I get a bit blank square similar to the comments square here but it is blank. could be i have a block on the computer here at work. I'll check it out at the kids house and see if I can get in there to vote.

I do like your blog. Interesting stuff. and even some fun stuff too.

Thanks.

Probably just the machine you're on.

I've got to include the fun stuff. Otherwise I'd go mad.

This just in: I'm now at 46.4% of the vote.

Hat tip to all the Lizards for that number.

271 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:24:09pm

re: #266 DistantThunder

Wouldn't this be like the Minute Men incorporating the KKK into their efforts?

That move would dissolve any legitimate support for the Minute Men even while their goals remain admirable.

272 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:24:23pm

.re: #260 Yank in the EU

We must have mangled her language

Ich bin ein amerikanischer knochelschleppender (add umlaut) neuer-Kon

How about:

Ich bin ein amerikanischer neuer-Kon knochelschleppender (add umlaut)

That's the only nuance I can see.

273 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:24:49pm

re: #171 Truumax

re: #129 Charles

Charles... I'm not so certain. They've just become so frustratingly secretive nowadays, it's hard even for me (who has access to swedish information that the rest of you don't) to find out... well, anything about the party. Their political program is just a bunch of populistic fluff, written in as much of a pc language as you can find, but even with that in mind there's some really shady stuff there. Their immigration policy is written to be intentionally obfuscating, jumping through rethorical hoops to not say anything outright (but very much implying it). Information about who actually constitutes the upper echelon can only be found through second- or third-hand sources. Financing or supporters are impossible to locate. There doesn't seem to be any real tangible structure to the party, so researching them basically feels like looking at a big wall and trying to poke a hole through the exact right spot...

You were right when you said that the WN parties of Europe have become sneaky.

Problem is though, the fact that they're hiding as much as they can from public insight does nothing to reassure me about them.

Everything about them just tells me that what I am seeing is a facade.

Yup. See #259 - the phone camera is a tool.

274 pat  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:26:05pm

re: #262 Shiplord Kirel

Wow. How the encapsulation in Washington can turn a mind into mush.

"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." Dan Quayle

275 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:26:20pm

re: #228 jeppo

re: #159 Thanos


re: #131 jeppo


no they're not really Nazis and no one here has offered a scintilla of evidence to suggest otherwise.

So why were they trying to get to the SS graveyard with flowers in that video that Babbazzee put up, and why were the police blocking them? Can you explain that to me?
What is the meaning of the armband on the rat on page 12 in this magazine, can you help us understand what Frederick Pas aka Fre is getting at with the odin's cross arm-band?

Scroll down this page for the youth group , what's that on the poster for the film fest ?

Just trying to understand the meaning of all this, help us out if you would.


I missed the armbanded rat in the magazine, but I did notice pictures of Ann Coulter and Oriana Falacci (sp?). If you mean the movie poster with the skull in a military hat, I have no idea.

Seriously Thanos, all of this adds up to nothing. Can you provide solid evidence that the VB are Nazis, fascists, white supremacists or anti-Semites? Because if you can't you weaken your anti-VB argument by constantly refering to them as such.


You are being willfully blind. I didn't ask about the poster you referened, there's a "rechts" film festival for VB youth that has a poster with Odin's cross on it. There's a rat in the same magazine with an Odin's cross armband. Answer the questions I asked, what does that mean?

276 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:26:54pm
277 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:27:16pm

re: #262 Shiplord Kirel

This is a particular individual they went out to intercept,” he said. “There is a very different notion when you’re thinking about killing an individual, as opposed to killing a soldier in the line of fire.”

A soldier in the line of fire can't be an individual? Jeebus on a stick, how did this maroon get thru law school. I could tear that down while falling down drunk.

278 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:27:47pm

Jeppo help me understand why Phillip De Winter nee Filip Dewinter is fighting with police to get to an SS graveyard to lay flowers?

279 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:28:00pm

re: #265 lurking faith

Yeah, that's what I once thought. "Ich bin Berliner" is standard. But my last German teachers (two in Dresden) told me that it's also acceptable to say "Ich bin ein Dresdener." People have always said this regularly. So of course the class asks: 'well, what was the deal with the jelly donut mistake?" They said it was just something that was greatly exaggerated, a reason to make a silly joke at the stupid American, and from there it got filtered around among people who aren't native speakers.

280 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:28:16pm

re: #244 wahabicorridor

re: #223 Ashamed to be Dutch


Ashamed to be Dutch, can you comment on this?

Amsterdam Mayor Authorizes Demonstration of Extreme Rightists

Amsterdam mayor Job Cohen has authorized a demonstration by the extreme right wing Natinalistische Volksbeweging (NVB) in the Western part of Amsterdam on 24 November. The organization wants to demonstrate against the recent disturbances in the Slotervaart neighborhood. A demonstration by the NVB on 23 September had to be stopped by the police after fights broke out with extreme left wing demonstrators. The latter were supported by hooligan fans of the Amsterdam soccer club Ajax.

Thank you Truumax!

I've not heard a lot about them... I don't follow the dutch politics very closely as I live in Switzerland (born in the mountains...).

As far as I know (MSM) they are considered as being close to nazis... Will try to dig a little deeper and let you know.

281 Clemente  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:28:40pm

re: #267 Charles

re: #228 jeppo

I missed the armbanded rat in the magazine...

You missed it? Have another look. It's on page 12, "De Striprubriek."

And here's the specific movie poster mentioned.

Jeppo, do you believe you're surrounded by fools, or are you just fantastically obtuse? It can only be one or the other.

282 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:29:52pm

re: #276 jeppo

re: #245 NJDhockeyfan


re: #238 Thanos

re: #177 NJDhockeyfan
The vids are of Blood & Honor Vlaams; they are overtly neo nazis, taking zero pains to hide it.

Interesting. Maybe that's what jeppo has been looking for.
jeppo?

This video is from an anti-Vlaams Belang site and it's in Dutch, which I don't speak. Would you trust "evidence" damning Charles from LGFwatch?

I've found zero direct links between Blood and Honor Vlaams and VB, only indirect links as their promotional films and links soemtimes appear on the same white power websites. There's not a direct connection VB to Blood and Honor that I can find. On the other hand, who needs it? There's enough evidence without.

283 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:30:04pm

Saturday night, reduced to arguing with Jeppo.

/sad

284 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:30:10pm
285 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:30:47pm
286 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:31:11pm

re: #273 Sunlight

The only really damning thing I've found publically from them lately is from party secretary Bjorn Soder, who went into some really disgusting homophobic rants in his blog two months ago during Stockholm Pride, calling homosexually an "abnormality" and equating it with pedophilia. So... There's that. Not a racist "smoking gun", but bigotry indeed.

287 Render  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:31:46pm

re: #271 DistantThunder

They have.

DONE
FOR,
R

288 LSD  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:31:51pm

re: #228 jeppo

A question already put to you, but you totally ignored:

So why were they trying to get to the SS graveyard with flowers in that video that Babbazzee put up, and why were the police blocking them?

289 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:32:09pm

re: #272 wahabicorridor

Well, that would be changing the original a bit too. Don't forget to capitalize nouns. :p

Darn, I'm curious to see what she thought.

290 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:32:19pm
291 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:33:07pm

re: #279 Yank in the EU

People have always said this regularly.

My high school German teacher, Hilde Pinkus, was from Munich. She taught me 'Ich bin eine...". But she was trying to teach me 'high' German. "Ich bin..." may be more colloquial.

292 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:33:21pm
293 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:34:10pm

Any opinion yet on that rat's armband, jeppo? Page 12. De Striprubriek. It's an article on cartoonist Marten Toonder.

294 Pygmalienation  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:34:19pm

re: #3 Charles

Alright Charles!, my wife and I shared the very same on our anniversary last month. A tasty brew, indeed! After the past couple of weeks it'll be a well deserved reward for you.

295 LSD  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:34:33pm

re: #276 jeppo

This video is from an anti-Vlaams Belang site and it's in Dutch, which I don't speak.

Now I'm certain you're taking a piss ...

296 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:35:02pm

re: #280 Ashamed to be Dutch

I don't follow the dutch politics very closely as I live in Switzerland (born in the mountains...).

Thanks for the response. But why don't you consider yourself Swiss?

/what's the German word for 'clueless'?

297 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:35:08pm

Maybe it's satire?

298 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:35:21pm

re: #284 jeppo

Real evidence proving the VB are Nazis, please.

I'm sorry, the Russians exterminated the "Nazis" in 1945 Berlin.

/yet their progeny lives on, what you do today, can't be separated from what you did yesterday

299 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:35:44pm
300 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:36:30pm

Jeppo -- What does "Vlaams Kracht" translate to?

301 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:36:42pm

wahabicorridor,

Nationalistische Volksbeweging NVB, (Nationalist People's Movement) a breakaway group from the above National Alliance with less emphasis on Christianity.

Nederlandse Volksunie NVU. (Dutch People's Union). Aldough officially founded in 1971 as a coalition of Greater Netherlandic Nationalists and National Socialists, as it really was in the early days, this party today has a rather radical National Socialist profile.

Caution... this link is poisoned... stormfront...

302 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:37:20pm
303 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:37:22pm
304 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:38:09pm
305 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:38:09pm

re: #292 ploome hineni


good point.

307 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:40:01pm

re: #299 jeppo

re: #267 Charles

re: #228 jeppo

I missed the armbanded rat in the magazine...

You missed it? Have another look. It's on page 12, "De Striprubriek."
Thanks Charles. The phrase beside said rat is "De Striprubriek". The armband looks like a circle cross symbol. What does it mean and what does it prove?

Well, well.

308 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:40:11pm

re: #301 Ashamed to be Dutch

wahabicorridor,

Nationalistische Volksbeweging NVB, (Nationalist People's Movement) a breakaway group from the above National Alliance with less emphasis on Christianity.

Nederlandse Volksunie NVU. (Dutch People's Union). Aldough officially founded in 1971 as a coalition of Greater Netherlandic Nationalists and National Socialists, as it really was in the early days, this party today has a rather radical National Socialist profile.

Caution... this link is poisoned... stormfront...

I'll say they were poisoned -- they are flying a Ron Paul ad at the bottom...

309 LSD  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:40:17pm

re: #246 WriterMom

A small village in Finland?

310 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:40:36pm

re: #278 Thanos

Just a friendly dude with a green thumb...whasssyerproblem?

311 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:41:25pm
312 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:41:36pm

re: #269 jeppo

Full and unconditional amnesty for people convicted for collaboration with Nazi Germany after World War II.

Here's your link- now STFU!

313 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:41:42pm

re: #291 wahabicorridor

re: #279 Yank in the EU


People have always said this regularly.

My high school German teacher, Hilde Pinkus, was from Munich. She taught me 'Ich bin eine...". But she was trying to teach me 'high' German. "Ich bin..." may be more colloquial.

Yes, in Saxony I learned an aweful lot of dialect even though they were supposed to speak Hoch-Deutsch in the lessons. I hear that the best, most clear and proper German is spoken in the Hannover region. I happen to rather enjoy speaking German, with its structure and halting precision.

314 Render  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:42:12pm

re: #292 ploome hineni

Understood. [I worried about that mere seconds after I hit the post button]

But I was not referencing the motives or actions of the intended victims. Only those of the genociders, who no doubt, find those names to be quite interchangeable, as the prevailing circumstances require.

When they finish resolving their Muslim problem, they will move on to the next group.

GUESS
WHO,
R

315 yah  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:42:29pm

Is the European right being taken over by Jew haters? Is that what all this means?

316 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:42:41pm

re: #304 jeppo

Boy- you really need to be spoon fed, don't you?

317 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:42:44pm

re: #284 jeppo

Barring a collosal slip up real concrete evidence will only come via a defection from the VB ranks or an infiltraion by a journalist. But if DeWinter can't answer questions about that Odin's cross. He doesn't want to because he knows it would be damning.

Connections to real WW II nazis? Skeptical here. Connections to a tradition of neo - Nazi thought that can be traced back to WW II nazi's? There is a high probability for that.

318 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:43:00pm

re: #311 Charles

Also found here.

...and on Dewinter"s bookshelf.

319 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:43:04pm
320 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:43:12pm

re: #308 Thanos

they are flying a Ron Paul ad at the bottom...

WHAT?!

The Ron Paul campaign paid for an ad to be carried on that site?

Oh. My.

321 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:43:39pm
322 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:43:49pm

Jeppo Mohammed Saïd al-Sahaf

/they are not near Baghdad, don't believe them

323 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:44:26pm

re: #304 jeppo

Thanos, it's up to you to tell me what it means. Also, what does it prove?

You have no opinion? Does it differ in meaning from the Odin's crosses you see all over stormfront and other WN sites? Is there a context we are missing about this being presented to youths? I also note you aren't answering about why (Ph)Filip Dewinter is trying to lay flowers on Nazi SS graves - just asking for some help here.

324 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:44:33pm
325 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:45:10pm

re: #313 Yank in the EU

I happen to rather enjoy speaking German, with its structure

Which is why I love Bach.

And writing software. Or did.

326 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:45:31pm

re: #266 DistantThunder

Wouldn't this be like the Minute Men incorporating the KKK into their efforts?

That move would dissolve any legitimate support for the Minute Men even while their goals remain admirable.

Or skinhead type people?

/please please tell me the minutemen aren't doing that.

327 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:45:49pm

re: #324 jeppo

I don't know the context, sorry


Ha!

328 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:46:11pm

re: #296 wahabicorridor

re: #280 Ashamed to be Dutch

I don't follow the dutch politics very closely as I live in Switzerland (born in the mountains...).

Thanks for the response. But why don't you consider yourself Swiss?

/what's the German word for 'clueless'?

Well, I am Swiss too... Since a few years only... I have both passports.

I think my "original" nationality mentally prevails, it may change later.

329 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:46:36pm
330 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:46:40pm

re: #320 wahabicorridor

re: #308 Thanos

they are flying a Ron Paul ad at the bottom...
WHAT?!

The Ron Paul campaign paid for an ad to be carried on that site?

Oh. My.

Not, to be fair... that ad is a web widget that anyone can include on their web site to collect donations for Ron Paul.

However, the Paul campaign knows about it, and have so far chosen not to do anything to prevent it.

331 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:47:16pm

re: #324 jeppo

re: #278 Thanos

Jeppo help me understand why Phillip De Winter nee Filip Dewinter is fighting with police to get to an SS graveyard to lay flowers?

I don't know the context, sorry. Proof man, real proof Spoon feed me man, really spoon feed me please.

332 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:47:43pm
333 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:48:33pm
334 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:48:35pm

re: #330 Charles

However, the Paul campaign knows about it, and have so far chosen not to do anything to prevent it.

Well, if I were a Republican candidate, I'd consider that 'ammo' - and I'd lock and load.

335 Live4Truth  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:50:14pm

That last line by Pim Fortuyn seems a bit off-setting: "I would like to know how they would react if I had not happened to be white, but simply nice and black!"

Two impressions:

1) It sounds racist.
2) Part of Fortuyn's point was that DeWinter wasn't protected, because he was a white guy and wasn't a Leftist. If that's true, and it's a common practice in Europe, then it's easier to understand (but not to justify) how a "white" party could gain political force over there. Two wrongs don't make a right, and we're still right to oppose it, but it does shed light on the situation. They could be facing a true anti-white problem over there (in the name of some politically-correct ideology, no doubt) and then in reaction, go to the opposite extreme. Anyone who's more familiar with that culture than I am, please fill-in.

336 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:50:19pm
337 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:50:46pm

re: #326 Sunlight

re: #266 DistantThunder

Wouldn't this be like the Minute Men incorporating the KKK into their efforts?

That move would dissolve any legitimate support for the Minute Men even while their goals remain admirable.

Or skinhead type people?

/please please tell me the minutemen aren't doing that.

of course they aren't - they want to be taken seriously

338 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:50:49pm

Why Vlaams Belang ?

October 2nd, 1977 : Karel Dillen establishes Vlaams Nationale Partij (VNP – Flemish National Party). On May 28th, 1979, this party is renamed Vlaams Blok (Flemish Bloc). The party’s statutes include the demand that “a large majority of non-European migrant workers should be returned to their countries of origin within a reasonable time limit.”

June 6th, 1992 : During a colloquium entitled “Immigration, the West has the choice”, the prominent Vlaams Blok member Filip Dewinter presents a plan called “Immigration: the solutions” which includes seventy steps to realise the repatriation of migrant workers. This plan became known as the “seventy-steps plan”.

November 9th, 2004 : The Belgian court of cassation confirms a judgement made by an appeal court in Ghent on April 21st, 2004, which convicted Vlaams Blok on the grounds of racism. The court procedure lasted three years and originated from a complaint filed against Vlaams Blok on October 11th, 2000 by Centrum voor Racismebestrijding (Centre for Fighting Racism) and Liga voor Mensenrechten (Human Rights League). Both the so called “seventy-steps plan” and the Vlaams Blok party statutes were used as evidence of the party’s racist characteristics.

November 14th, 2004 : Vlaams Blok changes its name to Vlaams Belang. The party claims they were forced to do so as a consequence of the judgement made by the Belgian court of cassation. This claim, however, is disputable.

339 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:51:19pm

Hey Thanos, I saw you had some questions about DeWinter's book in an earlier thread, but when I posted my reply, the thread was long since dead. I'll repeat here:

Dutch and swedish share a lot of linguistic roots, so I can actually understand about... 20%, maybe, of dutch writing. So..

"Zeggen Wat U Denkt"

That phrase I can understand. The words and sentence structuring are very close to scandinavian. It doesn't mean "to say what you think", it means "Saying what you are thinking". As in: "Filip DeWinter: saying what all you people are thinking, but don't dare to speak openly about."

340 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:51:46pm

re: #324 jeppo

re: #278 Thanos


Jeppo help me understand why Phillip De Winter nee Filip Dewinter is fighting with police to get to an SS graveyard to lay flowers?

I don't know the context, sorry. Proof man, real proof please.


here go down to the heading 1988, about halfway through the video please.

341 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:51:58pm

re: #333 jeppo

Interesting, Killian. What would you call their progeny, if the "Nazis" have been exterminated?

Neo-nazis and their fellow travelers.

/born in a barn?

342 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:52:21pm
343 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:52:26pm
344 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:53:54pm

re: #335 Live4Truth

They could be facing a true anti-white problem over there (in the name of some politically-correct ideology, no doubt) and then in reaction, go to the opposite extreme. Anyone who's more familiar with that culture than I am, please fill-in.

They are, but it's not just their culture. Are you aware of the indoctrination program at the University of Delaware that F.I.R.E just blew to smithereens? It's been going on for the last 4 years. It was mandatory. The premise was that all whites are racists. Period.

345 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:54:02pm
346 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:54:02pm

re: #339 Truumax
Danke, I still have to flip back there and pick up the translation too.

347 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:54:09pm
348 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:54:43pm

We have tickling torture happening right now - a big pile of boys and one dad.

Wouid the leftists allow us to tickle the terrorists until they cry "uncle?."

Unlikely.

349 Render  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:54:56pm

re: #326 Sunlight

I'm sorry, they are.

BLACK
FLOWERS,
R

350 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:55:50pm

re: #347 jeppo

re: #311 Charles


Also found here.

"No one should assume that a Celtic Cross, divorced from other trappings of extremism, automatically denotes use as a hate symbol."

-ADL


So what does it mean in the context of the youth magazine then?

351 lurking faith  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:56:06pm

re: #279 Yank in the EU

It's my understanding that the acceptablility of "Ich bin ein Dresdener" as an alternative to "Ich bin Dresdener" is relatively new.

352 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:56:07pm
353 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:56:13pm

re: #324 jeppo

people belonging to their old incarnation paradeing around in nazi uniforms

aryan/ws symbols abound around them

celemancy for old nazis,visiting ss graveyards w/flowers in hand.

I wonder why anyone would make a fuss
let him who has eyes see

354 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:56:39pm

Also, still waiting to hear what you think "Vlaams Kracht" means so we can start that discussion Jeppo.

355 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:56:44pm

re: #347 jeppo

good thing there are no other trappings of extremism within the VB, then?

356 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:57:01pm

re: #347 jeppo

And the party platform? Have an excuse worked up for that one yet?!

357 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:58:28pm

I think it's got to the point that when we see the nic 'jeppo' we all just

GAZE

358 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:59:14pm
359 konservo  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:59:25pm

re: #312 Sharmuta

re: #269 jeppo


Full and unconditional amnesty for people convicted for collaboration with Nazi Germany after World War II.

Here's your link- now STFU!

Dewinter also addresses the amnesty for Nazi collaborators policy in the SNN interview.

360 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 5:59:58pm
361 lurking faith  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:00:17pm

re: #283 Killian Bundy

Saturday night, reduced to arguing with Jeppo.

/sad


I'm thinking of it more as a bunch of friends hanging out, refusing to let the argumentative jerk drive us out of the local pub.

We are drinking together, aren't we?

362 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:00:19pm

Now the paint is starting to dry....

363 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:00:38pm
364 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:01:07pm

re: #357 wahabicorridor
I wouldn't do that, he is remaining civil, and although he's a litte ummm... stubborn? he's not calling anyone names yet. It doesn't hurt to have the discussion since each time we do thousands more see the evidence and the arguments for the first time.

365 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:01:21pm

re: #361 lurking faith

I know I am

366 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:01:24pm

re: #345 ploome hineni

and who steered Ronald REgan into a cemetary where SS men were buried?

as if that european government didn;t know?

/puhleeez

Bitburg!

367 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:01:48pm

re: #361 lurking faith

We are drinking together, aren't we?

Yeah, but I don't want the slug on our tab.

368 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:01:58pm

re: #351 lurking faith

re: #279 Yank in the EU

It's my understanding that the acceptablility of "Ich bin ein Dresdener" as an alternative to "Ich bin Dresdener" is relatively new.

Yes, it'll be interesting to ask other native speakers. The two young ladies in Dresden were quite competent (and quite attractive as well), but then they were indeed young.

369 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:02:39pm

Here is a Canadian blog on the subject...

The PQ is looking a lot like the Vlaams Blok

My favourite podcast - Shire Network News - has gone off the web because of the internecine fight between Conservatives over the Vlaams Belang.

The Vlaams Belang - or VB - are the Dutch Belgian separatists with a shady past. By shady I mean this:

That’s a Belgian who became a general in the SS. The VB’s predecessors were active collaborators with the NAZIs - to an extant that even today, a central plank of the VB is amnesty for those same collaborators.

Many on the anti-Jihadist right are willing to overlook the VB’s checkered past and excuse their troubled present because of their shared opposition to the growth of Islamist enclaves in Europe.

One of these apologists is from the AtlasShrugs blog (and I do want to make it clear that in no way would I ever accuse her of being a supremacist of any type):

I find it difficult to believe, even for a moment, that Vlaams Belang and the Swedish Democrats chose to support the Brussels Counter Jihad summit and host Jews like me and Andrew Bostom (to specifically speak on the legacy of Islamic anti-semitism, no less) while really, secretly being neo Nazis. To what end? What Nazi does that?

She’s very reasonable and these are good questions to ask.

Shire Network News asked these questions to the leader of the VB. You can listen to that interview below.

The point of it is that, after listening carefully and allowing the man to speak his mind, we end up confronted with the fact that the VB leader, Dewinter is a fascist and the VB is a racist party. A quote from the VB leader:

Our own people first! And yes, Vlaams Blok chooses a Flemish Flanders. And yes, Vlaams Blok chooses a white Europe!

Is there any ambiguity there?

Being of the right isn’t about being against everything, it’s being for liberty, democracy, and capitalism - and not one of those is compatible with racism. Each of those, most of all capitalism, are corrosive to the idea of racial supremacy and exclusion.

For God’s sake the man had the nerve to attack the exile, Ayan Hirsi Ali and the martyr, Pim Fortuyn!

He’s not on our side. Yes he’s right on one thing - but for the wrong reasons. He doesn’t help us.

Remember, 'Vlaams Blok chooses a white Europe'.

370 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:03:31pm
371 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:03:32pm

re: #349 Render

re: #326 Sunlight

I'm sorry, they are.

BLACK
FLOWERS,
R

Well, there you go. Charles, if Render is right, when Belgium is finished here, we'll have to start in on the U.S. Clean things out so we can vote.

372 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:03:47pm

re: #364 Thanos

I wouldn't do that, he is remaining civil, and although he's a litte ummm... stubborn?

Thanos, I hate to break it to you but you're being baited. If newbies want the info they can come in here and ask with honest intent.

373 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:03:53pm

re: #347 jeppo

re: #311 Charles

Also found here.

"No one should assume that a Celtic Cross, divorced from other trappings of extremism, automatically denotes use as a hate symbol."

-ADL

jeppo,
I'm fluent in both French and Dutch / Flemish. I watched the whole video two or three times... It's just astounding, almost all the VD "board" is closely related to nazi organizations, it's no longer a presumption, it's a FACT !
Just believe me, if you don't you may ask a French speaking friend to watch the documentary, if honest, he will confirm what almost all now say.

374 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:04:20pm
375 usmc1968  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:05:13pm

Seems like we're whipping a dead horse.
It feels good to us, but the horse feels no pain.

376 Albertanator  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:05:28pm

Friends, I like both LGF and Brussel's Journal...their both against Islam and its evil..........'can't we all just get along'......

377 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:05:47pm

One lonely racist
Nazi supporter left here.
Sunset. Will more come?

378 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:06:03pm

re: #369 NJDhockeyfan
Yes, that was quite the Freudian slip he made there since they are now supposed to be "Vlaams Belang".

379 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:06:29pm

re: #343 song_and_dance_man

A primer for jeppo will avail nothing. I think he's baiting for the attention.

Ya think?

380 Live4Truth  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:06:32pm

re: #344 wahabicorridor

re: #335 Live4Truth

They could be facing a true anti-white problem over there (in the name of some politically-correct ideology, no doubt) and then in reaction, go to the opposite extreme. Anyone who's more familiar with that culture than I am, please fill-in.

They are, but it's not just their culture. Are you aware of the indoctrination program at the University of Delaware that F.I.R.E just blew to smithereens? It's been going on for the last 4 years. It was mandatory. The premise was that all whites are racists. Period.

I didn't know about that, but certainly don't doubt it -- sounds like something that would go on in our wacked-out public universities. But in the rest of America, the police wouldn't avoid providing protection for someone, because he were a white non-leftist, as is charged by Fortuyn.

381 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:06:45pm

re: #363 ploome hineni

re: #352 song_and_dance_man

I didn't know that.

BTW that was leppo's quote, I was laughing at what Sharmuta told him.

yes.:)

there are thousands of war criminals who lived out their lives in GErmany, France and Switzerland and of course South America...no one except SImon Weisenthal and the Klarsfelds looking for them

certainly not the Germans or the French or in fact the Swiss

who refused to release bank accounts held by Jews killed in the camps, because there was no death certificate

Sorry, this is BS and has nothing to do with former nazis !

Nazis are as much welcome in Switzerland as in Israel or the US.

382 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:06:52pm

re: #374 jeppo


How about some links...proof?

383 Render  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:07:19pm

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

"In a program broadcast over the Dutch television network NCRV, Prof. Roland Raes, vice-president of the Belgian radical right party 'Vlaams Blok', claimed that he rejects the idea that the Holocaust was a 'plan for genocide'. Raes emphasized that many experts have for a long time doubted the existence of the gas chambers and death camps and reiterated the traditional revisionist declarations on the exaggerated number of Holocaust victims. With the publication of his statements in Belgium, which was widely covered in the Belgian media, Raes announced that he was resigning his position as leader of the Vlaams Blok. Raes remarks aroused sharp criticism from representatives of the entire political spectrum in Belgium."

===

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

"He became politically active in 1955, when he became member of the Volksunie. He was senator for Vlaams Blok from 1995 until 2002. At the moment he is Vlaams Belang chapter leader of Lovendegem, member of the Vlaams Belang party board of the district Gent-Eeklo and (as a former senator) member of the national party council of the Vlaams Belang. He works at the party headquarters in Brussels as an archivarian."

ONE
OF
MANY,
R

384 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:07:20pm

re: #375 usmc1968

The horse ain't dead yet. Keep whippin'

385 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:07:54pm

re: #372 wahabicorridor

re: #364 Thanos


I wouldn't do that, he is remaining civil, and although he's a litte ummm... stubborn?

Thanos, I hate to break it to you but you're being baited. If newbies want the info they can come in here and ask with honest intent.


Yes, he thinks he's sly but so am I...

Now what movie was that from? ....

386 Pork Chops in My Pan!  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:09:44pm

NDJHockey

Remember, 'Vlaams Blok chooses a white Europe'.

Against the rising tide of islam "White Europe" doesn't stand a chance, if that's his true desire.

387 usmc1968  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:09:56pm

re: #384 Killgore Trout

No, we've been down this road enough.

388 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:10:01pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

One lonely racist
Nazi supporter left here.
Sunset. Will more come?

Open registration.

/whomever has posting privileges at Brussels Journal, let them know

389 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:10:19pm

re: #376 Albertanator

No-you can't have it both ways...I think it's been demonstrated beyond any possible doubt that the 'white nationalist' elements of Europe cannot be our friends, even if we both see the Caliphate as an existential threat.

390 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:10:29pm

re: #380 Live4Truth

But in the rest of America, the police wouldn't avoid providing protection for someone, because he were a white non-leftist, as is charged by Fortuyn.

I agree with you in that the rot in Europe is much worse than it is here. But I would not be too sanguine. Mike Nifong may have been disbarred, but the role the police played in the Duke Lacrosse Rape case is still being investigated.

391 ec marm  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:10:59pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

One lonely racist
Nazi supporter left here.
Sunset. Will more come?


5/7/5 Haiku?
I will Drink, nevertheless
Extra hour yeah!

392 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:11:04pm

re: #359 konservo

That interview is pretty d*mning, IMO. I'm sure the troll hasn't bothered to listen to it. Funny it would ask me for a link, but provide me with none- like I would take it at it's word, or something. And don't you love the excuse, "other's have done it!"

jeppo- if all your friends jumped off a cliff, would you do the same?

393 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:11:37pm

re: #376 Albertanator

'can't we all just get along'......

There's a lot of shared interests.

/white supremacy is the deal breaker

394 Pork Chops in My Pan!  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:11:59pm

Albertanator

Friends, I like both LGF and Brussel's Journal...their both against Islam and its evil..........'can't we all just get along'......

**snort**

Open your eyes, my friend.

395 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:12:04pm
396 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:12:08pm

re: #393 Killian Bundy

zactly

397 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:12:15pm

Ur beer has asplode....
The Beer Canon Compilation

398 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:12:19pm

re: #388 Killian Bundy

re: #377 Killgore Trout

One lonely racist
Nazi supporter left here.
Sunset. Will more come?
Open registration.

/whomever has posting privileges at Brussels Journal, let them know

Ya think? I'm actually considering it. But after the emails of the last few days, some really creepy things might get through the door. Some of them will lay in wait. Is it worth it? Hm.

399 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:12:41pm
400 lurking faith  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:13:11pm

re: #324 jeppo

re: #278 Thanos


Jeppo help me understand why Phillip De Winter nee Filip Dewinter is fighting with police to get to an SS graveyard to lay flowers?

I don't know the context, sorry. Proof man, real proof please.

DeWinter was attempting to lay flowers on SS graves, and you want to know the "context"? Okay, here's your context:

Heinrich Himmler, the leader of the SS, was one of the chief architects of the Final Solution. The SS Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing units) murdered many civilian non-combatants, mostly Jews, in the countries occupied by Germany during World War II. The SS was responsible for establishing and operating concentration camps and extermination camps in which millions of inmates died of systematic mass gassing, inhumane treatment, overwork, malnutrition, or medical experiments. After the war, the judges of the Nuremberg Trials declared part of the SS, the Sicherheitsdienst (SD) a criminal organization responsible for the implementation of racial policies of genocide and committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.
401 Yank in the EU  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:13:11pm

re: #384 Killgore Trout

re: #375 usmc1968

The horse ain't dead yet. Keep whippin'

No, it's definately a live issue. I posted a long explanation for why in the other thread. Summary: the Vlaams Belang is making a rudimentary mistake by investing in its white nationalist / Nazi sympathizer element and the longer they and their supporters obfuscate the core issue -- that racial ideology is the wrong answer to Islamism in Europe -- the worse their situation becomes. The people need a different alternative, indeed, but not WN (white nationalists).

402 PETN Sandwich  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:13:29pm

Anyone with too much time care to translate this:

Thuis bij Filip Dewinter & zijn 70 punten plan

403 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:13:35pm

re: #387 usmc1968

re: #384 Killgore Trout

No, we've been down this road enough.

You're right, too much good energy is being wasted, all this just to convince a single "bad apple"...

404 Render  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:13:35pm

re: #399 jeppo

Is Roland Raes a member of VB or not?

END
OF
LINE,
R

405 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:14:17pm
406 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:14:22pm

The South is Restive again,
RoP strikes in Thailand
Two dead

Now I understand that Europe is under such a great assault from Islam, but did anyone there die from Muslim attacks today? It appears some Buddhists and others did.

407 JHW  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:14:46pm

Found an article about that Neo-Nazi girls singing group, Prussian Blue, complete with Hitler Smiley Face T-shirts

Prussian Blue: The Olsen Twins of the White Nationalist Movement

408 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:15:11pm

re: #395 song_and_dance_man

It's true.

409 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:15:36pm

...

410 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:15:44pm

re: #403 Ashamed to be Dutch

It's not a "single bad apple"! It's a rising tide that will get worse if we ignore it.

411 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:16:37pm

re: #399 jeppo

re: #340 Thanos


re: #324 jeppo

re: #278 Thanos

Jeppo help me understand why Phillip De Winter nee Filip Dewinter is fighting with police to get to an SS graveyard to lay flowers?

I don't know the context, sorry. Proof man, real proof please.

here go down to the heading 1988, about halfway through the video please.

First you should note that the source is a Belgian leftwing extremist, Yelloman. Second, though I don't speak or read Dutch, it clearly said that this was a Wehrmacht cemetery filled with graves of 40,000 German, Dutch and Belgian soldiers.

Please explain what the source has to do with the factual evidence before everyone's eyes? That was Filip Dewinter in 1988 fighting Police to lay flowers on SS Nazi graves.

412 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:16:57pm

re: #406 Thanos

Now I understand that Europe is under such a great assault from Islam, but did anyone there die from Muslim attacks today?

Do honor killings count? I'm not sure they're real forthcoming about those.

413 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:17:08pm

Re:#409

I guess I had something to say.

414 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:17:25pm
415 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:18:30pm

re: #414 jeppo

You can't think for yourself?

416 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:19:04pm

re: #414 jeppo

Celtic cross

See political symbol.

417 PETN Sandwich  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:19:10pm

re: #390 wahabicorridor

re: #380 Live4Truth

But in the rest of America, the police wouldn't avoid providing protection for someone, because he were a white non-leftist, as is charged by Fortuyn.

I agree with you in that the rot in Europe is much worse than it is here. But I would not be too sanguine. Mike Nifong may have been disbarred, but the role the police played in the Duke Lacrosse Rape case is still being investigated.

Can you imagine that was the first time Nifong & crew tried to railroad a defendant, the first time they did it was with a high profile crime? I imagine a few people with lesser means and lower visibility trials sitting behind bars.

418 Live4Truth  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:19:31pm

re: #390 wahabicorridor

re: #380 Live4Truth

But in the rest of America, the police wouldn't avoid providing protection for someone, because he were a white non-leftist, as is charged by Fortuyn.

I agree with you in that the rot in Europe is much worse than it is here. But I would not be too sanguine. Mike Nifong may have been disbarred, but the role the police played in the Duke Lacrosse Rape case is still being investigated.

Well understand, I don't know much about the situation in Europe -- I'm basing that solely on what Pim Fortuyn wrote, so I don't know that such a situation is truly the case (although I wouldn't be surprised -- I've heard it said that our universities closely mimic European elite culture). That having been said, I can imagine that if things do get to the point to where justice is dispensed in a way which is anti-white, then groups will form which center on being white. And then as with all groups, they will tend to gravitate towards extremes. Again, that doesn't justify it -- I'm just trying to understand it better.

419 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:19:41pm
420 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:19:45pm

jeppo-in your opinion-what does it mean when someone fights to lay flowers at a Nazi graveyard? What do you think it might indicate?

421 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:19:54pm

re: #412 wahabicorridor

re: #406 Thanos


Now I understand that Europe is under such a great assault from Islam, but did anyone there die from Muslim attacks today?

Do honor killings count? I'm not sure they're real forthcoming about those.

I don't know -- would they count to VB ?

422 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:20:11pm

re: #419 jeppo

Why? Because you can't think for yourself?

423 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:20:25pm

re: #349 Render

How do you know?

424 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:20:27pm
425 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:20:36pm

re: #402 PETN Sandwich

Anyone with too much time care to translate this:

Thuis bij Filip Dewinter & zijn 70 punten plan

Nothing new / important in this video, they talk about VB's original political plan to send illegal immigrants back by charter.

Though, the same white "celtic cross" is again visible in the office.

426 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:21:01pm

re: #414 jeppo

Stormfront states the meaning of their Celtic cross on their site. "White Power World Wide".

Now who else lobbies this symbol about and treasures it? Pagans and Neo-Nazis? Which one is he? Or is he a collector of symbols of Ancient Crosses? If he is a pagan, what kind of pagan is he?

427 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:21:36pm
428 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:21:36pm

re: #419 jeppo

re: #354 Thanos


Also, still waiting to hear what you think "Vlaams Kracht" means so we can start that discussion Jeppo.

Wouldn't it be easier if you just told me what it means instead?

No, it would not. You are here defending VB, it's their slogan, what's it mean, and how does it compare to similar slogans?

429 Highrise  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:21:59pm

re: #403 Ashamed to be Dutch

You're right, too much good energy is being wasted, all this just to convince a single "bad apple"...

Umm no, last night LGF was linked to Hot Air. Someone above just showed a link from a Canadian blog to here. There are a ton of people who READ LGF that do not comment that are getting something from these threads.

This isn't about a bad apple, this is about shining a light. As things are uncovered, they do need an entry.

------------------------

Those who have complained in here that the horse is dead or have the nerve to say after all of this *can't we all just get along* really have no idea what is at stake then. I have really watched many people here take their time to educate themselves and with each thread, I see some changes..some are about faces, others take some more time. You are free to move to another thread....seriously.

430 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:21:59pm

re: #410 Sharmuta

re: #403 Ashamed to be Dutch

It's not a "single bad apple"! It's a rising tide that will get worse if we ignore it.

I meant "a single bad apple" at LGF (as a lizard). Sorry, my english ...

431 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:22:40pm

re: #427 jeppo

Everyone can make their own decision, but you, huh? You need Thanos to tell you what to think, but we're supposed to think for ourselves?

432 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:22:50pm

re: #416 Killgore Trout

re: #414 jeppo

Celtic cross

See political symbol.

Just because you provide proof again doesn't mean it's true. Can you prove it?

/jeppo

433 Render  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:22:56pm

re: #398 Charles

NEIN,
R

434 konservo  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:22:57pm

Jeppo's flailing in the wind now. It's kind of funny.

435 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:23:05pm
436 spam spam spam spam  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:23:59pm

Just found out one of my neighbors is Flemish. He drives a Mercedes.

Coincidince? I think not. Facist scum.

437 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:24:04pm

re: #398 Charles

re: #388 Killian Bundy

re: #377 Killgore Trout
One lonely racist
Nazi supporter left here.
Sunset. Will more come?
Open registration./whomever has posting privileges at Brussels Journal, let them know
Ya think? I'm actually considering it. But after the emails of the last few days, some really creepy things might get through the door. Some of them will lay in wait. Is it worth it? Hm.

I wonder if we could actually recruit some commenters... Like wouldn't it be cool to get Sharansky, Sarkozy (hopefully doesn't have time), some more science people...

438 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:24:17pm

re: #425 Ashamed to be Dutch

re: #402 PETN Sandwich


Anyone with too much time care to translate this:

Thuis bij Filip Dewinter & zijn 70 punten plan


Nothing new / important in this video, they talk about VB's original political plan to send illegal immigrants back by charter.

Though, the same white "celtic cross" is again visible in the office.


That photo on the bookcase is of Filip with Le Pen.

439 konservo  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:24:22pm

re: #427 jeppo

! Paul / ! Dewinter '08

/jeppo

440 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:24:34pm
441 lurking faith  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:24:38pm

re: #376 Albertanator

Friends, I like both LGF and Brussel's Journal...their both against Islam and its evil..........'can't we all just get along'......


BJ has attacked Charles and told lies about what he has written.

If your friends start telling lies in an attempt to smear you, they aren't really your friends.

442 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:24:41pm

re: #417 PETN Sandwich

Can you imagine that was the first time Nifong & crew tried to railroad a defendant, the first time they did it was with a high profile crime?

I understand your scepticism. BUT. That case happened in the context of an election in which Nifong played the race card in order to win. He had never had that kind of opportunity before, so it is possible that he really did get caught the first time out. Actually, part of me can think that if he had had any real experience in that kind of skuldudgery, he would have been a lot better at finessing it.

The cops however are another matter. And with them, it wasn't so much a race thing as it was town/gown class thing.

443 Highrise  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:24:43pm

re: #429 Highrise

Ashamed to be Dutch

That second paragraph isn't direct to you.

444 ec marm  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:24:52pm

re: #398 Charles

Ya think? I'm actually considering it. But after the emails of the last few days, some really creepy things might get through the door. Some of them will lay in wait. Is it worth it? Hm.


&#9834
Someones knockin at the door
Somebodys ringin the bell
Someones knockin at the door
Somebodys ringin the bell
Do me a favor,
Open the door and let em in
Sister suzie, brother john,
Martin luther, phil and don,
Brother michael, auntie gin,
Open the door and let em in.
&#9834

445 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:25:08pm
446 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:25:28pm

re: #429 Highrise

re: #403 Ashamed to be Dutch

You're right, too much good energy is being wasted, all this just to convince a single "bad apple"...

Umm no, last night LGF was linked to Hot Air. Someone above just showed a link from a Canadian blog to here. There are a ton of people who READ LGF that do not comment that are getting something from these threads.

This isn't about a bad apple, this is about shining a light. As things are uncovered, they do need an entry.

------------------------
You're right, sorry, I meant a lizard as the "the bad apple", won't name him here but you know about who I'm thinking.

Those who have complained in here that the horse is dead or have the nerve to say after all of this *can't we all just get along* really have no idea what is at stake then. I have really watched many people here take their time to educate themselves and with each thread, I see some changes..some are about faces, others take some more time. You are free to move to another thread....seriously.

447 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:25:34pm

re: #427 jeppo

Why am I not surprised?

448 PETN Sandwich  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:25:58pm

re: #425 Ashamed to be Dutch

re: #402 PETN Sandwich

Anyone with too much time care to translate this:

Thuis bij Filip Dewinter & zijn 70 punten plan

Nothing new / important in this video, they talk about VB's original political plan to send illegal immigrants back by charter.

Though, the same white "celtic cross" is again visible in the office.


The cross is why I linked the vid.

The vid posted on the front page was the first two seconds on this one spliced onto the end of another video.

What's "Voor de toekomst" that yellowman1 stressed at the end?

449 spam spam spam spam  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:26:23pm

And his house, car, and cat are white. Makes me sick.

450 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:26:50pm
451 Pork Chops in My Pan!  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:27:01pm

jeppo's an asshat clown, IMHO. Not worth talking to - sorta like Harpo Marx - all noise and no substance.

452 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:27:09pm

re: #449 spam spam spam spam

ROFL.

453 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:27:35pm
454 Racer X  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:27:49pm

re: #419 jeppo

re: #354 Thanos

Also, still waiting to hear what you think "Vlaams Kracht" means so we can start that discussion Jeppo.
Wouldn't it be easier if you just told me what it means instead?

Filip DeWinter is a Nazi sympathizer.

Fuck. Do we need to spell it out in another language?

This argument is getting lame.

Next do we start arguing about what the term "is" is?

455 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:28:14pm

re: #450 song_and_dance_man

I remember the first time I agreed with c*gnito- I looked out the window to make sure the Horsemen weren't coming down the street.

456 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:28:17pm

re: #421 Thanos

I don't know -- would they count to VB ?

heh. You are sly!

457 Render  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:29:01pm

re: #423 Sunlight

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Again, I'm very sorry.

HAD I
BUT KNOWN,
R

458 Highrise  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:29:53pm

re: #446 Ashamed to be Dutch


hehe subtly telling us that we need some fresh meat?

/snicker

459 lurking faith  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:29:56pm

re: #415 Sharmuta

re: #414 jeppo

You can't think for yourself?


He's washed his brain, and now he can't do anything with it.

460 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:30:08pm
461 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:30:31pm

re: #438 Thanos

re: #425 Ashamed to be Dutch

re: #402 PETN Sandwich


Anyone with too much time care to translate this:Thuis bij Filip Dewinter & zijn 70 punten plan


Nothing new / important in this video, they talk about VB's original political plan to send illegal immigrants back by charter. Though, the same white "celtic cross" is again visible in the office.


That photo on the bookcase is of Filip with Le Pen.

Looks like you're right, it may well be Jean-Marie Le Pen but can't say it's him for sure at 100%.

462 Pork Chops in My Pan!  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:30:38pm

re: #459 lurking faith

re: #415 Sharmuta


re: #414 jeppo

You can't think for yourself?


He's washed his brain, and now he can't do anything with it.

LMAO!

463 JHW  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:31:11pm

This cross symbol shows up in a lot of places if you look around, including many other countries not mentioned before. Look through some of the archives on the link below;

European National Front

Pay particular attention to the "Our Principles" section in the left side-bar
These people are no friends of the USA in particular and the free world in general.

KKK groups use the exact same symbol, which I wont link. 30 seconds of googling will find plenty of them.

464 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:31:25pm

I'm thinking about translating the entire immigration part of the SD platform, but I don't know. Partly, it's just such a mastodon project. Partly, it's more implication than a smoking gun (since they're so damn obfuscating~!). Partly, the language they use is so diffuse and intricate, I'm not even sure I could provide a 100% correct translation.

Basically, even if I did it, all you would be left with is a 20-page document where you have to read between the lines.

Maybe I'll just wait for a scandal instead. They seem to pop up semi-regularly.

//Whisky

465 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:31:58pm

re: #459 lurking faith

Maybe it shrunk in the dryer too?

466 Highrise  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:32:06pm

re: #454 Racer X

Next do we start arguing about what the term "is" is?

The word is has never been looked at the same....from that day for me.

hehe

467 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:32:08pm

re: #454 Racer X

re: #419 jeppo


re: #354 Thanos
Also, still waiting to hear what you think "Vlaams Kracht" means so we can start that discussion Jeppo.
Wouldn't it be easier if you just told me what it means instead?

Filip DeWinter is a Nazi sympathizer.

Fuck. Do we need to spell it out in another language?

This argument is getting lame.

Next do we start arguing about what the term "is" is?

Jeppo needs to be led by the hand for everything. He seems to be posting in between bong hits.

468 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:32:42pm

Vlaams Kracht I think translates to "Flemish Power". Now how does that compare to similar slogans such as "Black Power, White Power, Ummah Power?"

469 konservo  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:33:20pm

re: #392 Sharmuta

re: #359 konservo

That interview is pretty d*mning, IMO. I'm sure the troll hasn't bothered to listen to it. Funny it would ask me for a link, but provide me with none- like I would take it at it's word, or something. And don't you love the excuse, "other's have done it!"

If the troll had listened, s/he/it probably got excited and now has a deeper, more nuanced respect for VB.

470 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:33:25pm

re: #399 jeppo

did they fight for the axis in ww2?
if so,.
friggin nazi cemetary.

471 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:33:48pm

re: #457 Render

So you're thinking, like with Mr. Filip, that since they were on these shows, they are on the same page?

472 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:34:14pm

We must all be really UBER SCHTUPID neo-con knuckle draggers on the Israeli payroll to not get how you can believe in white power, lay flowers on Nazi graves and not be a Nazi.

473 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:34:26pm

re: #461 Ashamed to be Dutch

re: #438 Thanos


re: #425 Ashamed to be Dutch

re: #402 PETN Sandwich

Anyone with too much time care to translate this:Thuis bij Filip Dewinter & zijn 70 punten plan

Nothing new / important in this video, they talk about VB's original political plan to send illegal immigrants back by charter. Though, the same white "celtic cross" is again visible in the office.

That photo on the bookcase is of Filip with Le Pen.

Looks like you're right, it may well be Jean-Marie Le Pen but can't say it's him for sure at 100%.


No, it is, I've seen that photo full sized on White power sites, and in VB magazines. I've also seen pics of Filip Holding up his book on on WN sites. (Standard press photo they grabbed, not like he is purposefully advertising on their site.)

474 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:35:05pm

re: #471 Sunlight

Have you listened to the dewinter interview Charles has provided?

475 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:35:09pm
476 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:35:10pm

re: #465 Sharmuta

Shrinkage is a terrible, terrible thing.

477 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:35:23pm

re: #464 Truumax

Basically, even if I did it, all you would be left with is a 20-page document where you have to read between the lines.

And frankly Truumax, we don't have the cultural context to know HOW to read between the lines. It is human nature to try to make sense of something based on past experience. We don't have the shared background to make the proper sense of it. We'd end up grossly misunderstanding some things and completely missing nuances that could clarify.

Best we stay moderately ignorant until we can be intelligently informed.

478 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:35:29pm
479 Racer X  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:35:45pm

OT (thankfully)

Good news from Iraq continues:


Thousands Returning to a Safer Baghdad

In a dramatic turnaround, more than 3,000 Iraqi families driven out of their Baghdad neighborhoods have returned to their homes in the past three months as sectarian violence has dropped, the government said Saturday.

More than four months after U.S. forces completed a 30,000-strong force buildup, the death toll for both Iraqis and Americans has fallen dramatically for two months running.

480 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:36:05pm
481 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:36:19pm

re: #448 PETN Sandwich

re: #425 Ashamed to be Dutch

re: #402 PETN Sandwich

Anyone with too much time care to translate this:

Thuis bij Filip Dewinter & zijn 70 punten plan

Nothing new / important in this video, they talk about VB's original political plan to send illegal immigrants back by charter.

Though, the same white "celtic cross" is again visible in the office.


The cross is why I linked the vid.

The vid posted on the front page was the first two seconds on this one spliced onto the end of another video.

What's "Voor de toekomst" that yellowman1 stressed at the end?

"Voor de toekomst" means "for the future".

This original plan (original political plan to send illegal immigrants back by charter) may have been scraped by the VB in it's actual political "plan".

So the "for the future" is kind of a reminder that "plan" may be unburied once they seize power.

482 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:36:26pm

re: #476 WriterMom

I'm a sharmuta- you're telling me! ;)

483 Highrise  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:36:53pm

re: #467 NJDhockeyfan

There were a few last night and over the past week that kept arguing and they even admitted they had not read much and just wanted a synopsis. When given the links, they kept arguing blindly the same thing over and over refusing to read a thing. Was amusing.

This has been an eye opener to those who are reading what Charles puts up and those who refuse to.

484 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:37:04pm

re: #474 Sharmuta

Yes. did they say something about the minutemen?

485 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:37:28pm

re: #478 jeppo

The Wehrmacht was the German regular army.

/very good, credit where credit is due

486 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:37:29pm

re: #479 Racer X

OT (thankfully)

Good news from Iraq continues:


Thousands Returning to a Safer Baghdad

In a dramatic turnaround, more than 3,000 Iraqi families driven out of their Baghdad neighborhoods have returned to their homes in the past three months as sectarian violence has dropped, the government said Saturday.

More than four months after U.S. forces completed a 30,000-strong force buildup, the death toll for both Iraqis and Americans has fallen dramatically for two months running.



Yes, even AFP had an article with interviews of cab drivers saying all neighborhoods are safe now.

487 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:37:30pm

Tyra Banks New Project: The Vajayjay Show!

OK-who not impressed that I moved from Nazis to vajayjays in one fell swoop?

488 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:38:35pm
489 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:39:01pm

Just in case y'all want to beat up on me instead of jeppo....
Catholic priest faces new sex abuse charges

A Roman Catholic priest at the center of a sex abuse and cover-up scandal was taken into federal custody in Chicago on charges of molesting two U.S. boys including one on a trip overseas, authorities said.

Donald McGuire, who once worked with a group linked to Mother Teresa, traveled to Switzerland and Austria in 2000 to engage in sexual misconduct with a minor who is now 21, according to charges unsealed by the U.S. Attorney's office on Friday.
....
The complaint against McGuire, by an accuser identified as Victim A, says that McGuire sexually abused him from 1999 to 2003 in 12 states and six countries.

The youth was living with the priest in Evanston, Illinois, where McGuire had become a spiritual mentor to Victim A's family, media reports said.

Victim A and another boy, Victim B, outlined a pattern of abuse escalating from discussion of sexual topics through viewing of pornography to oral sex, according to the complaint.


Yeesh!

490 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:39:02pm

re: #478 jeppo

The Wehrmacht was the German regular army.

OMG! Hello-oooooooooo! They were NAZIS!

491 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:39:15pm

re: #487 WriterMom


Oh great. You want we should talk about the Vagina Monologues too?

492 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:39:22pm

re: #468 Thanos

Vlaams Kracht I think translates to "Flemish Power". Now how does that compare to similar slogans such as "Black Power, White Power, Ummah Power?"

Hummm, no, not really. Compare it to "texans power..." this would be more accurate

493 lurking faith  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:39:32pm

re: #465 Sharmuta
lmao

Could be!

494 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:39:37pm

re: #480 song_and_dance_man

re: #468 Thanos


Vlaams Kracht I think translates to "Flemish Power". Now how does that compare to similar slogans such as "Black Power, White Power, Ummah Power?"


Tower of Power


I used to watch a great Jazz band who lost their bass player halfway through the gig do that song -- they didn't miss a beat, the keyboardist did the bass with pedal bass.

495 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:39:51pm

re: #487 WriterMom

Tyra Banks New Project: The Vajayjay Show!

OK-who not impressed that I moved from Nazis to vajayjays in one fell swoop?

Who doesn't like vajayjays?

496 Racer X  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:41:12pm

I do not consider jeppo a troll.

It appears he has a strong opinion of the VB party and is struggling to hold onto that. Civil dialog will most likely bring him around.

re: #467 NJDhockeyfan

He seems to be posting in between bong hits.

He would make more friends if he would pass the bong this way.

497 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:41:13pm

re: #483 Highrise

Highrise . I fry my enemies before I fry my friends. I am not going to jump to unwise conclusions.

498 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:41:32pm

Happiness is a warm vajayjay.

499 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:41:50pm

re: #488 jeppo

re: #426 hazzyday


re: #414 jeppo

Stormfront states the meaning of their Celtic cross on their site. "White Power World Wide".

Now who else lobbies this symbol about and treasures it? Pagans and Neo-Nazis? Which one is he? Or is he a collector of symbols of Ancient Crosses? If he is a pagan, what kind of pagan is he?


If you look at Killgore Trout's link upthread, you'll see that this circle cross figure is used by many groups, including certain Catholic orders and Breton nationalists, among others.


And the Breton Nationalists are BNP, n'est ce pas?

500 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:42:04pm

Since this whole incident broke there has only been one way to go on it: the Nazis lose. I called on Atlas to come back in the fold and anyone else who wants to stay relevant in the LGF world to distance themselves from the Vlaams or place themselves outside forever. There will be no marriage of convenience with these characters. Hitler may have been right about getting Germans back to work, there was just the matter of the baggage he brought with him. The same applies to the Vlaams. Charles rightly wants to cast them out because people of such political stripes desperately seek an issue and legitimacy from standing for an issue important to society. But it is an illusion, an excuse to hide a will to power, a smile on an otherwise black heart.

The struggle for a non-Islamic European future cannot be used as an excuse to bring back fascism- it is too important to win and we cannot win if we cannot sway average Europeans- the immigration issue must be fought on the issue of culture and values of a democratic society not harkening back to a Europe that never existed.

501 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:42:05pm

re: #496 Racer X

Civil dialog will most likely bring him around.


Fat chance.

502 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:42:07pm

re: #477 wahabicorridor

I just need to check: You are being serious, right? I think you are, but there's been too much sarcasm in this thread, and the whisky is getting to me, so I have to ask :)

503 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:42:10pm
504 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:42:41pm

So, the regular German army...just regular dudes...no Nazi affiliation or anything.

505 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:42:55pm

re: #499 Thanos

re: #488 jeppo


re: #426 hazzyday

re: #414 jeppo
Stormfront states the meaning of their Celtic cross on their site. "White Power World Wide".

Now who else lobbies this symbol about and treasures it? Pagans and Neo-Nazis? Which one is he? Or is he a collector of symbols of Ancient Crosses? If he is a pagan, what kind of pagan is he?


If you look at Killgore Trout's link upthread, you'll see that this circle cross figure is used by many groups, including certain Catholic orders and Breton nationalists, among others.

And the Breton Nationalists are BNP, n'est ce pas?


That's it, they must be Catholics then!


LOL

506 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:43:25pm

re: #488 jeppo Which of these are you leaning towards as the symbol Mr. DeWinter is leaning towards.

507 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:43:30pm

re: #503 song_and_dance_man

Just wait, people hate me for linking to that stuff.

508 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:43:46pm

re: #490 Sharmuta

OMG! Hello-oooooooooo! They were NAZIS!

Actually, for the most part, unlike the Japanese, the Wehrmacht were honorable soldiers, just on the other side.

/the SS and their counterparts were the rabid Nazis

509 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:43:51pm

re: #488 jeppo

The Celtic Cross is not the same as Odin's Cross.

510 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:44:49pm
but it’s obvious to me that denouncing a physical attack on Filip DeWinter is a long way from supporting Filip DeWinter’s ideology or party.

But its not obvious to them. They assume if he defended them at all, he must have been on their side. What would be the point of showing any concern for the rights of someone not on your side? Thats how supremacists think and thats why they made that leap so easily.

511 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:44:58pm

40,000 Wehrmacht == some small percentage of SS since informants from SS were sprinkled through the Wehrmacht as a matter of doctrine.

Either way ... still Nazis. Why was (Ph)Filip(pe) Dewinter trying to lay flowers on Nazi graves?

512 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:45:03pm
513 Render  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:45:23pm

re: #471 Sunlight

Yes. Unfortunately, that is the only online confirmation I have, so far. I have much offline anecdotal and heresy that led me to that.

As I've said before, the only person on that list that gets a pass is retired General Hal Moore.

BEEN
AROUND,
R

514 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:45:52pm
515 lurking faith  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:45:56pm

re: #489 Killgore Trout
Why would we beat up on you? I mean, you're not the alleged molester.

516 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:46:47pm

Writer Mom-

Wehrmacht

Yep- just a bunch of regular guys.

517 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:47:04pm

re: #390 wahabicorridor

re: #380 Live4Truth

But in the rest of America, the police wouldn't avoid providing protection for someone, because he were a white non-leftist, as is charged by Fortuyn.
I agree with you in that the rot in Europe is much worse than it is here. But I would not be too sanguine. Mike Nifong may have been disbarred, but the role the police played in the Duke Lacrosse Rape case is still being investigated.

The rot took hold quickly because they didn't have enough Christianity to immunize themselves from tolerating anything and everything.

518 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:47:05pm
519 PETN Sandwich  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:47:08pm

re: #481 Ashamed to be Dutch

Thanks!

Never trust anyone who takes "70 points" to express "When in Rome..."

520 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:48:26pm

re: #509 Sharmuta

re: #488 jeppo

The Celtic Cross is not the same as Odin's Cross.


Indeed. The Celtic Cross is well loved in Catholic Scotland for instance. The base is much longer than Odin's cross, and widens as it nears the ground. The thing on Filip's bookcase is obviously Odin's cross as all the spokes are symetrical and same length.

521 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:48:28pm

re: #512 jeppo

re: #480 song_and_dance_man


re: #468 Thanos

Vlaams Kracht I think translates to "Flemish Power". Now how does that compare to similar slogans such as "Black Power, White Power, Ummah Power?"


Tower of Power

Great, great band! Thanks for the link.

Of course you like them, they were a bunch of Nazis.


j/k

522 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:48:46pm

US dollar is now below 93 cents Canadian. Lowest value since the Civil War.

That's it. I'm gonna liquidate some stock and head to Virginia to buy up some land. This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to snap up US real property at fire sale prices...

523 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:49:17pm
524 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:50:19pm

re: #522 Pro-Bush Canuck

Oooh. Sounds great. Can you have a Lizard Camp there?

525 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:51:05pm

re: #502 Truumax

I just need to check: You are being serious, right?

I am absolutely serious. I make the same decision about books to read. If I read reviews that say the facts presented can't be verified (guess I should call them 'assertions'), or have been disproven/disputed by others AND it's a subject I am not conversant in, I won't read the books. I have no context in which to sort out the wheat from the chaff, so I must continue to look for solid ground.

526 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:51:17pm

re: #516 Sharmuta

Yep- just a bunch of regular guys.

/in war, their are no sovereign war crimes virgins, ever

527 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:51:20pm
528 Highrise  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:51:34pm

re: #496 Racer X


I do not consider jeppo a troll. It appears he has a strong opinion of the VB party and is struggling to hold onto that

Probably right.


Civil dialog will most likely bring him around.

hmm..not so much hehe.

529 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:51:44pm

re: #520 ThanosThanks for that clarification.

530 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:52:01pm
531 bikermailman  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:52:30pm

re: #480 song_and_dance_man

re: #468 Thanos


Vlaams Kracht I think translates to "Flemish Power". Now how does that compare to similar slogans such as "Black Power, White Power, Ummah Power?"


Tower of Power

All the times I've heard that in Rush's bumper music rotation, I've never known who it was singing it. Thanks!

532 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:52:55pm
533 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:53:07pm

re: #513 Render

So the people going down there to watch the watchers may be doing something worthwhile... They try to protray themselves as Big Boy Scouts.

/glad I didn't donate (live in a border state)

534 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:53:29pm

re: #515 lurking faith

It happens.

535 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:53:45pm

re: #525 wahabicorridor

re: #502 Truumax


I just need to check: You are being serious, right?

I am absolutely serious. I make the same decision about books to read. If I read reviews that say the facts presented can't be verified (guess I should call them 'assertions'), or have been disproven/disputed by others AND it's a subject I am not conversant in, I won't read the books. I have no context in which to sort out the wheat from the chaff, so I must continue to look for solid ground.


There are few books that are undisputed. You should try my method. Read the book, read the critics, and then seek both confirming and contrary facts about anything remaining in question. Then you can judge.

536 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:54:12pm

Weird. The banner from the Brussels Journal had the same looking riot police that tried to attack the Foo Fighters in The Pretender video that was a thread the first night all this broke.

537 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:54:23pm

re: #522 Pro-Bush Canuck

US dollar is now below 93 cents Canadian. Lowest value since the Civil War.

That's it. I'm gonna liquidate some stock and head to Virginia to buy up some land. This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to snap up US real property at fire sale prices...


Are you nuts? Do you have any idea what land prices are here? Try Montana (be sure to secure the mineral rights).

538 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:55:26pm

re: #524 WriterMom

Lizard Charity Golf Tournament?

539 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:55:40pm

re: #532 jeppo

re: #499 Thanos


re: #488 jeppo

re: #426 hazzyday

re: #414 jeppo
Stormfront states the meaning of their Celtic cross on their site. "White Power World Wide".
Now who else lobbies this symbol about and treasures it? Pagans and Neo-Nazis? Which one is he? Or is he a collector of symbols of Ancient Crosses? If he is a pagan, what kind of pagan is he?

If you look at Killgore Trout's link upthread, you'll see that this circle cross figure is used by many groups, including certain Catholic orders and Breton nationalists, among others.

And the Breton Nationalists are BNP, n'est ce pas?

Breton nationalists are Celts from Brittany, France.

Ahh you are right -- Briton, Breton, get them confused. So they are friends of Le Pen perhaps?

540 Render  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:55:47pm

Membership in the nazi party was not a requirement for the Wermacht. Most members of the Wermacht were not nazi party members.

Membership in the nazi party was not a requirement for the Waffen SS either, although the vast majority of the Waffen SS were party members.

At least one Waffen SS unit (5th Viking) had a better war record with regards to war crimes than many Wermacht units.

The problem wasn't that Ronnie was taken to a Wermacht cemetery. The problem was that he was taken to the SS, (28th Wallonian SS), section of that cemetery.

SPECIFICALLY,
R

541 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:56:14pm
542 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:56:22pm

re: #525 wahabicorridor

Oh, okay.

It does depend on what you know about the reviewer though. I wouldn't dismiss reading a book because Noam Chomsky has said that it has been rebuked, for example.

But I get what you're saying.

543 JHW  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:56:27pm

De Winter didn`t go there to lay flowers on Wehrmacht graves or just any old Nazis, but on the graves of members of the 27th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division "Langemark" composed of Flemish Nazi volunteers that fought on the Eastern front. I believe this was brought out in the film. These old Nazis are evidently worthy of respect and admiration to him.

544 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:56:59pm

re: #518 song_and_dance_man

re: #500 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

There will be no marriage of convenience with these characters.

I'm proud to be a lizard. I've seen some pretty heated disagreements here; I'll see them again. But the quote is one that most of us agree on.
Thank you for all your work, Charles.

545 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:57:02pm

re: #500 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Since this whole incident broke there has only been one way to go on it: the Nazis lose. I called on Atlas to come back in the fold and anyone else who wants to stay relevant in the LGF world to distance themselves from the Vlaams or place themselves outside forever. There will be no marriage of convenience with these characters. Hitler may have been right about getting Germans back to work, there was just the matter of the baggage he brought with him. The same applies to the Vlaams. Charles rightly wants to cast them out because people of such political stripes desperately seek an issue and legitimacy from standing for an issue important to society. But it is an illusion, an excuse to hide a will to power, a smile on an otherwise black heart.

The struggle for a non-Islamic European future cannot be used as an excuse to bring back fascism- it is too important to win and we cannot win if we cannot sway average Europeans- the immigration issue must be fought on the issue of culture and values of a democratic society not harkening back to a Europe that never existed.

Not just culture and values - but Rule of Law written by elected representatives and enforced. (I keep hearing that the actual "EU" government is an unelected group - is that right? If so, how to increase election-power?)

546 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:57:38pm

re: #533 Sunlight

portray

yikes

547 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:57:52pm

re: #543 JHW

De Winter didn`t go there to lay flowers on Wehrmacht graves or just any old Nazis, but on the graves of members of the 27th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division "Langemark" composed of Flemish Nazi volunteers that fought on the Eastern front. I believe this was brought out in the film. These old Nazis are evidently worthy of respect and admiration to him.


Thanks Kindly for pointing that out, I knew that I had heard SS mentioned in context of this film.

548 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:58:02pm
549 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:58:07pm

re: #541 jeppo

READ THIS!

550 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:58:08pm
551 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:58:34pm

re: #524 WriterMom

BTW, WriterMom, just got my schedule straightened out. I'm not in Toronto until the 14th this month.

Drat!

552 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 6:59:53pm

Just as a clarification . . .

/there's a difference between the intention to lay flowers on the graves of German WWII dead and the intention to lay flowers on the graves of Nazi dead, call it nuance

553 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:00:09pm

re: #548 jeppo

re: #506 hazzyday


re: #488 jeppo Which of these are you leaning towards as the symbol Mr. DeWinter is leaning towards.

No idea. But apparently the Celtic Cross and all things Celtic are very popular in Flanders.

Yes they are; but that is not a celtic cross, it is Odin's Cross, the one Stormfront uses.

554 PETN Sandwich  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:00:32pm

re: #540 Render

28th Wallonian SS

Ironic given were talking bout the Flemish. What SS division did the flems volunteer for I wonder.

555 lurking faith  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:01:24pm

re: #537 wahabicorridor

re: #522 Pro-Bush Canuck


US dollar is now below 93 cents Canadian. Lowest value since the Civil War.

That's it. I'm gonna liquidate some stock and head to Virginia to buy up some land. This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to snap up US real property at fire sale prices...


Are you nuts? Do you have any idea what land prices are here? Try Montana (be sure to secure the mineral rights).


I was thinking that myself. Sure, prices have dropped a bit lately - from spectacularly ruinous back down to unaffordable in this lifetime.

556 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:01:56pm
557 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:02:28pm
558 PETN Sandwich  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:02:34pm

re: #543 JHW

Whoops, missed your post. That clears it up...

/maybe he was going through his "I hate commie" years

559 lurking faith  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:02:39pm

re: #538 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #524 WriterMom

Lizard Charity Golf Tournament?

Count me in!

I stink at golf, but at least it gets you out in the open air.

560 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:02:57pm
561 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:03:08pm

re: #556 jeppo

re: #520 Thanos


re: #509 Sharmuta

re: #488 jeppo
The Celtic Cross is not the same as Odin's Cross.

Indeed. The Celtic Cross is well loved in Catholic Scotland for instance. The base is much longer than Odin's cross, and widens as it nears the ground. The thing on Filip's bookcase is obviously Odin's cross as all the spokes are symetrical and same length.

If you look at Sharmuta's link, the spokes of Odin's Cross end inside the circle, unlike the cross on Dewinter's bookshelf.


No, not always. The one stormfront uses for instance crosses over the circle, all spokes, just exactly like Filip's.

562 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:03:14pm

re: #540 Render

I remember when he went there. First, I never even saw that cemetary when I lived there just over a decade before. Second, I couldn't believe he would do that. Kind of like the photo of Pres. Bush holding hands with the Saudis even after 9/11. Seems like a time and space warp of some sort.

563 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:03:46pm

Just exactly like the one on the armband the rat is wearing in the VB youth magazine as well.

564 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:03:58pm

re: #545 Sunlight

(I keep hearing that the actual "EU" government is an unelected group - is that right? If so, how to increase election-power?)

That's right. The only direct elections are for members of Parliament and their powers are limited. The power lies in the Council, which is not elected.

I've read both the original Constitution and the Revised 'Treaty'. It's rigged. The whole shebang. I'm writing a paper on it now - for an EU audience. I'm about to be less even less popular in European circles than I already am.

You aren't going to increase 'election-power'. The premise of distribution of powers are allocated via principles called 'competencies', 'subsidiaridies', and 'propotionality'. You have to read closely - it's subtle - but basically the Europeans are fucked.

565 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:04:32pm
566 Josephine  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:04:34pm

re: #306 Charles

Here's the picture.

Here's the VB youth magazine from 2005.

Does anyone know what the little box on the lower left-hand corner of page 6 is all about? It's a black box with words in orange letters.

(I'm sorry if this has already been explained. I'm trying but there's no way I can keep up.)

567 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:04:39pm

re: #548 jeppoOr Odins cross as Sharmuta and Thanos have definitely pointed out. Way upthread here I have a post about the "know nothing" party in the Civil War in the US. Given the Babbazee history of the V Blok and V Belang the Stormfront interpetation seems much more likely. I can't see it being pagan at all. There is a small possiblity that it could be reflective of a passed friend if the Odin's cross is used in funerary arrangements. People can also acquire symbology for individual meaning. Someone just needs to ask Filip which it is?

I'm leaning Stormfront for this particular message and meaning from Filip.

568 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:05:28pm

re: #555 lurking faith

From the point of view of a Canadian US real estate prices have dropped dramatically. A plot of land that cost CDN $2.5 million in 2002 costs CDN $1.5 million today, all else being equal.

It all works out very well for me. I've been making money almost exclusively in US dollars for over 10 years. One US $ was getting me $1.50 Canadian in 2002. Today those same CDN dollars buy me $1.07 US.

Strike while the iron is hot, I always say.

569 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:06:22pm
570 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:07:33pm

re: #564 wahabicorridor

re: #545 Sunlight


(I keep hearing that the actual "EU" government is an unelected group - is that right? If so, how to increase election-power?)

That's right. The only direct elections are for members of Parliament and their powers are limited. The power lies in the Council, which is not elected.

I've read both the original Constitution and the Revised 'Treaty'. It's rigged. The whole shebang. I'm writing a paper on it now - for an EU audience. I'm about to be less even less popular in European circles than I already am.

You aren't going to increase 'election-power'. The premise of distribution of powers are allocated via principles called 'competencies', 'subsidiaridies', and 'propotionality'. You have to read closely - it's subtle - but basically the Europeans are fucked.


Well here's hoping that it gets defeated somehow.

571 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:08:43pm

Alright you guys. I still have the dinner dishes to clean up. It's been wunnerful, jus wunnerful...................

572 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:08:53pm

re: #569 jeppo

I heard that Le Pen is a Breton and didn't even speak French while growing up.

What's his native language, then?

573 spam spam spam spam  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:09:05pm

re: #490 Sharmuta

re: #478 jeppo

The Wehrmacht was the German regular army.
OMG! Hello-oooooooooo! They were NAZIS!

Not only that, but today Germany STILL uses the same song the Nazi's did for the National Anthem!

Das Lied der Deutschen ("The Song of the Germans", also known as Das Deutschlandlied, "The Germany song") has been used wholly or partially as the national anthem of Germany since 1922. Outside Germany, the hymn is sometimes informally known by the opening words and refrain of the first stanza, Deutschland, Deutschland über alles.

If they weren't Nazi's, wouldn't they pick a differen't tune?

I'd rather live next to a Muslim than stinking German.

574 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:09:27pm

War Atrocities Committed by the Japanese Navy on Prisoners. - new Book

Perps are alive and well as they killed all their POW's

575 JHW  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:10:07pm

re: #554 PETN Sandwich

27th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Langemarck, formed May 1943-Sept 44 as SS Volunteer Assault Brigade "Langemark", later also 6th SS Volunteer Assault Brigade "Langemarck"

Sept 44-May 45 as 27th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division "Langemarck" (Flemish No.1)

Source; p194 Europaische Freiwillige, Osnabruck, 1986

576 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:10:52pm

re: #570 Thanos

Well here's hoping that it gets defeated somehow.

Dream on. They aren't being given a chance to vote. The individual gov'ts are going to sign off - period.

Keep in mind. Denmark voted against Maastricht. Twice. It did them absolutely no good whatever.

577 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:11:13pm
578 konservo  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:14:06pm

re: #573 spam spam spam spam

That might be so, but the name Wehrmacht was only used from 1935 to 1945.

Hence the term Wehrmacht customarily refers to Germany's armed forces during the Nazi Germany era and World War II, both in German and English.

Wehrmacht

579 neshobanakni  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:14:07pm

Is there some place our people can point me to, that shows these f'n sprouts are racists? It seems like Charles is so intent on currying favor with the cultural left that he's willing to dump on folks that he knows they don't like. Wanting to promote your culture is not racist. Claiming that people with with dark skin or differently shaped eyes can't appreciate or participate in your culture, is racist.

An example: The Ghost Dance. An attempted cultural renewal rejecting an invasive culture intent on destroying a native culture (Islam intent on destroying Western culture). The color of the invaders skin didn't matter, it was their plans for the people they encountered.

Are we to reject allies 'cause we don't personally want to be Europeans? I don't want to go to Flanders, I don't want to be Flemish, but letting them be subsumed by an agressive culture, or a "favored" culture, means my loved ones might be next. I think a global economy is a good thing, but a single global culture ... screw that.
Yakoke

580 JHW  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:15:00pm

Here`s one to check out , was this the grave? Remi Schrijnen;
"The Last Knight of Flanders

After the war, he returned to Belgium, was arrested, tried and received the death penalty. This was immediately commuted to life-long imprisonment. He was released in 1950 on condition of good behaviour. However, he participated in so called "amnesty marches" (claiming amnesty for those who had fought on the Eastern front) which often ended in brawls and scuffles with the police. After one such brawl, in 1953, he was arrested and held in prison for almost two years. In 1962, claiming fear of further arrests after a number of his comrades were about to come back from the Soviet Union, he emigrated to the Federal Republic of Germany and took German nationality. Flemish fascists and national socialists continued to revere him as "The Last Knight of Flanders" (which was also the title of a controversial book by Allen Brandt on the Flemish soldiers in the SS legions).

581 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:15:08pm

re: #564 wahabicorridor

So after all the investment, time, energy, etc., the Euros are backing off from democracy as they combine themselves? You know there were U.S. people who had been working with NATO, SHAPE, the Germans, etc. and were basically taken by surprise when Germany was re-unified. I guess it hadn't been in the plans (not a given that people would accept it)... could be that lots goes on there outside the elected parts of the govt.

582 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:15:42pm

re: #570 Thanos

re: #564 wahabicorridor

re: #545 Sunlight

(I keep hearing that the actual "EU" government is an unelected group - is that right? If so, how to increase election-power?)

That's right. The only direct elections are for members of Parliament and their powers are limited. The power lies in the Council, which is not elected.I've read both the original Constitution and the Revised 'Treaty'. It's rigged. The whole shebang. I'm writing a paper on it now - for an EU audience. I'm about to be less even less popular in European circles than I already am.

You aren't going to increase 'election-power'. The premise of distribution of powers are allocated via principles called 'competencies', 'subsidiaridies', and 'propotionality'. You have to read closely - it's subtle - but basically the Europeans are fucked.


Well here's hoping that it gets defeated somehow.

The Brits.

583 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:15:53pm

re: #579 neshobanakni

Oh for the love of Pete! Charles has out every d*mned link up at the top of this thread. Please read/go through them. Thank you.

584 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:15:59pm

Killgore's curried fish.....
White firm-flesh fish ( I use Rock Fish but Orange Roughy is cheap at your local grocery store)

6 whole Tomatoes ( I prefer Italian tomatoes: more flesh, less water)

2 tablespoons tomato paste

Garlic

Turmeric powder

Green Onion, sliced

Cumin

Curry powder

6 whole dried red peppers

Tamarind paste (available at most Asian markets, often at regular markets next to the ginger)

Fresh Ginger (finely chopped)

Lemon juice

Salt, pepper

Cilantro

1)Heat 4 tablespoons oil in a large pan over Medium heat.
Add ginger, garlic, Curry powder, whole chillis. Stir 3-4 minutes.

2)add Tamarind paste, tomato paste. Stir 2-3 minutes.

3) add tomatoes, stir. Lay fish on top with cilantro, green onion. squirt with lemon juice. Dash with salt and pepper.

4) cover until fish is cooked through (10-15 minutes)

5) plate fish, drizzle with extra virgin olive oil and a squirt of lemon.

Serve with salad and whole wheat baguette to soak up the juices.

585 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:17:51pm

re: #583 Sharmuta

{P}IMF- put up every d*mned link.

586 formercorpsman  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:17:52pm

re: #556 jeppo

Jeppo, I have noticed as of late, it seems that when you are backed into, or paint yourself in the corner, you present what I consider irrational countenance.

Whether asking if Charles will post a picture to provide "balance" or disputing certain aspects of a particular item, I get the feeling that you still keep trying to build a sandcastle while the waves keep crashing in behind you.

I think the worst case scenario has played out, and I don't mean this with any intention of regret, but the evidence that keeps hitting this blog, and what Babba has started to delve, among others, you need to call for a mistrial, because this case is not going your way.

587 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:18:52pm

This story is worth it just for the quote from a Australian politician. Not the stupid Nazi reference but the part about the furphy and the porky pie. Dr Karl's coal Nazi comments 'offensive'

On the campaign trail in Sydney yesterday, Dr Kruszelnicki derided clean coal technology as "physically impossible", and compared support for clean coal with Nazi propaganda.

"It is simply a furphy, it's a porky pie to cover up the fact that there is no such thing as clean coal," he said.

"Goebbels, the Nazi propagandist, said if you're going to tell a lie, tell a big one, and this is a beauty."

It is simply a furphy, its a porkie pie. I'm gonna use that one.

588 Catttt  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:19:00pm

re: #573 spam spam spam spam

Since 1952, only the third stanza of Das Deutschlandlied has been the official German national anthem. The first verse, which you refer to, is not part of the anthem any more. Here are the lyrics of their national anthem, in English:

Unity and justice and freedom
For the German fatherland;
For these let us all strive,
Brotherly with heart and hand.
Unity and justice and freedom
Are the pledge of happiness.
flourish in this fortune's blessing,
flourish, German fatherland.

589 pat  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:19:45pm

Turks and Kurds duke it out in streets of Oslo today after both agree to jeer the Americans first.
[Link: islamineurope.blogspot.com...]

Colorful Cultures.

590 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:20:52pm

re: #581 Sunlight

So after all the investment, time, energy, etc., the Euros are backing off from democracy as they combine themselves?

Sunlight, I've been studying this for 3 years. The EU was never a 'demos' political construct. For the great unwashed, it is a redemptive political construct that alleviates them from ever being vulnerable to the 'nationalist' ferver again. For the EU - crats it is political power unfettered with the nuisances of populism.

It is serfdom for the masses, and an untouchable Soviet for those on diplomatic expense accounts in Brussels.

591 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:21:19pm

re: #579 neshobanakni
There's a show links button at the bottom of each comments thread, please go to each VB thread, use the show links button, review the evidence then come back if you think you can refute it.

592 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:21:53pm

Well looky here.

I ran the title of the article through a translator and got this:

Flemish Belangers on a visit in birth village Adolf Hitler

593 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:22:10pm

re: #582 Sunlight

The Brits

Good Lord. Pay attention. Gordon Brown is denying them a referendum.

ok, I'm goneski.

594 bikermailman  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:22:21pm

re: #574 DistantThunder

War Atrocities Committed by the Japanese Navy on Prisoners. - new Book

Perps are alive and well as they killed all their POW's

I believe the POW death rate in the Japanese camps was around 40%, while in the German camps it was 1%.

595 DeliLama  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:22:34pm
596 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:22:36pm

re: #548 jeppo

...apparently the Celtic Cross and all things Celtic are very popular in Flanders.

Then you will have on problem posting links. BTW, make sure it's a celtic cross and no the other. Or is ther no dif in your mind?

597 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:23:09pm

re: #592 NJDhockeyfan

Well looky here.

I ran the title of the article through a translator and got this:

Flemish Belangers on a visit in birth village Adolf Hitler


Yes, and if you look at the right side bar you can see Filip with Le Pen.

598 PETN Sandwich  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:23:36pm

Pagan Runes Used by Nazi Germany

Some you've, some you haven't, some you've seen and didn't know what it was.

599 DANEgerus  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:23:48pm

It is exactly the imposed "tolerance" of Islamic extremism that fuels the backlash. LGF is doing a public service by documenting exactly who will be leading the fascists in their counter attacks against the Islamo-fascists.

600 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:23:57pm

re: #579 neshobanakni

Charles is so intent on currying favor with the cultural left


You can't have been lurking here much longer than you've been registered or you would know what a ludicrous statement that is.

601 bikermailman  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:24:29pm

re: #579 neshobanakni

If you think Charles likes to curry favor with the left, cultural or otherwise, you would be quite mistaken. And showing your stripes.

602 formercorpsman  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:25:18pm

re: #594 bikermailman

The Japanese were brutal during the war, my Dad's brother came home a broken man after that war, never able to regain his life.

603 McNug  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:26:00pm

When asked about his stint in the KKK, senator Robert Byrd says he "doesn't mind apologizing over and over again".

If DeWinter is on the level all of a sudden, he shouldn't mind apologizing over and over again. If there's a place for him in the anti-jihad pecking order, it's at the bottom.

604 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:26:24pm
605 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:26:52pm

re: #572 Jim in Virginia

re: #569 jeppo

I heard that Le Pen is a Breton and didn't even speak French while growing up.

What's his native language, then?

Well, Breton, yes... It's a local language (a little French but mostly with celtic roots).

But NO ! Le Pen learned French at school for sure ... It may be true that as a child, in daily life in his family (very poor people), he spoke almost only Breton.

This doesn't make him a better person... He IS an antisemite for sure but he (le Pen) may not be as close to nazis as many from the VB.

606 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:27:18pm

re: #599 DANEgerus

It is exactly the imposed "tolerance" of Islamic extremism that fuels the backlash. LGF is doing a public service by documenting exactly who will be leading the fascists in their counter attacks against the Islamo-fascists.


So when are they planning their "counter attacks"? Do we have Flemish with us in Iraq by chance? Did I miss something?

607 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:27:39pm

re: #579 neshobanakni

Do you think your points in your first paragraph discount everything you write after that? No one here on this blog is trying to curry favor with leftists or rightists. That is just your emotional judgement because you disagree with some the content and have a need to describe it this way.

In the US everyone is going to be a part of someone else. That is the way it is going to happen. If some people in Europe wish to advocate a White Tribal identity that needs to be maintained, the services an an anthropologist and a public relations organization should be sought.

Europe in a sense has already said it doesn't want to maintain white nationalism as a basis for existence. If they did want it, they shouldn't have gone into Africa and India as traders and colonizers. People get close, they mix, they love, they have kids. Isolationism is the only way to avoid that. It's already too late.

608 ec marm  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:27:52pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

Killgore's curried fish.....
White firm-flesh fish


Not very inclusive are you?
Time to pack you off to re-education
camp to learn some Dr. Seuss:

One fish, two fish
red fish, blue fish

/ cedar planked blue fish is exceptional

609 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:27:57pm

re: #590 wahabicorridor

The EU came along after my time (as did the fall of the Berlin Wall)... but West Germany was democratic. They had states, federal... lots of political action and electioneering, although I actually don't know whether they had the blasted party lists that allowed slimeballs to stay in the game (Israel has these, too, it seems). I'm very big on being able to throw out individual bums by voting them out without having to tank an otherwise beneficial party...

610 Sunlight  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:29:57pm

re: #593 wahabicorridor

re: #582 Sunlight

The Brits
Good Lord. Pay attention. Gordon Brown is denying them a referendum.

ok, I'm goneski.

That means they won't be in, right? Or do you mean he's found a way to have them go in without a vote? They voted it down before (you should hear a couple of UK guys I know talk about this).

611 Truumax  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:29:58pm

Work day tomorrow, gotta sign of now...

Heh, there are photos of Sweden Democrats shaking hands with Le Pen as well. Everything traces back to him, doesn't it? :)

//Peace out from the swede

612 bikermailman  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:32:36pm

re: #602 formercorpsman

re: #594 bikermailman

The Japanese were brutal during the war, my Dad's brother came home a broken man after that war, never able to regain his life.

Everyone knows the stories of what the Germans did. We agreed to squelch the news of Japanese atrocities because we needed them, and their land as a base in the far East. Very few people have heard much of anything of what they did, including their own people.

613 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:33:23pm

re: #579 neshobanakni

Wanting to promote your culture is not racist.

A people promotes its culture by raising children in sufficient numbers and quality to carry it on. If they don't their land will eventually get overrun by others who do.

614 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:33:44pm
615 BillLangston  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:33:45pm

re: #364 Thanos

re: #357 wahabicorridor
I wouldn't do that, he is remaining civil, and although he's a litte ummm... stubborn? he's not calling anyone names yet. It doesn't hurt to have the discussion since each time we do thousands more see the evidence and the arguments for the first time.

I agree with you Thanos and for the same reasons. Hell, I don't even mind a bit of name calling as long as it is not the only element of the post.

In a way I feel sorry for this guy (and the other poster that agrees with him who I can't remember his name right now) As a matter of fact, I feel sorry for all the people in Europe that have allowed things to get to this point and are now seeing the results of their foolishness.

SF
Bill

616 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:34:18pm

re: #596 BenZacharia

re: #548 jeppo


...apparently the Celtic Cross and all things Celtic are very popular in Flanders.

Then you will have on problem posting links. BTW, make sure it's a celtic cross and no the other. Or is ther no dif in your mind?

Jeppo, then you are willing to conjecture on the Celtic Cross but not on the Odin's cross in Filip Dewinter's study? It's fine if you don't want to.

617 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:35:35pm

re: #613 Mich-again

re: #579 neshobanakni


Wanting to promote your culture is not racist.

A people promotes its culture by raising children in sufficient numbers and quality to carry it on. If they don't their land will eventually get overrun by others who do.


They also promote it by making it attractive to foreigners. Is VB making their culture attractive to others?

That said, I'm sooooo overdue for a Pak update, the onlines have been out three hours now. I've got to check out a bit.

618 bikermailman  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:36:08pm

re: #613 Mich-again

re: #579 neshobanakni


Wanting to promote your culture is not racist.

A people promotes its culture by raising children in sufficient numbers and quality to carry it on. If they don't their land will eventually get overrun by others who do.

Great point! And which continent is it that has been below replacement birthrates for some time now?
/not that America isn't fading in that direction

619 Carridine  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:36:12pm

For the jeppo-folk and their ilk, who strive to avoid finding any meaning or significance in the Rat's Armband (posted by Charles, above; cf., #306) ...

The Comic Strip has its Strip-Rubric (with Germanic spelling), hence it behooves us to recall the meaning of Rubric:

1/ An authoritative rule of conduct or procedure

but if THAT's not clear enough, here's the second meaning of rubric:

2/ An explanation or definition of an obscure word in a text

Hard to avoid meaning, jeppo, because there, IN THE Rat's Strip-Rubric is its Odin Symbol and its authoritative rule of conduct or procedure, its clarifying explanation and definition of any racist implications that MAY have been obscure in word and text: We're RACIST Rats!

THAT is the meaning of Strip-Rubric.

/paint, corner, devotion to racism... some assembly required...

620 Catttt  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:36:55pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

Mmmmmmmmmm - curried rock fish! I will come for dinner any time. :)

621 AirForceWife  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:37:06pm

#543 JHW 11/03/07 6:56:27 pm reply quote report

0
De Winter didn`t go there to lay flowers on Wehrmacht graves or just any old Nazis, but on the graves of members of the 27th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division "Langemark" composed of Flemish Nazi volunteers that fought on the Eastern front. I believe this was brought out in the film. These old Nazis are evidently worthy of respect and admiration to him.

That is an important distinction. What film confirmed this? I do however, take issue with lumping the German regular army in with the SS.

Hitler was every bit as a brutal dictator as Sadam Hussein was. Weren't dissenters shot in the head or strung up on piano wire? Dissenters had the threat of having their entire families executed didn't they? The German regular army in WWll fought on a battle-field in the same way the Iraqi army did against Iran and Kuwait. We don't hold Regular army units accountable to same degree we do their superiors because it's understood that they are not all acting freely, but under threat and coercion. Does anyone have any doubt that there are many Iraqi regular army types in Iraq today that once raped and pillaged Kuwait but that we are helping now? That there are graves of some that fought and died for Iraq under Sadam that get visited by their parents, siblings, and friends?

I really hope this does not get interpreted the wrong way. I am on Charle's side and I think he has been true to his principles on this issue and that there is no room for racism in the anti-jihad cause. If DeWinter went there to put flowers on the graves of SS volunteers, that is a whole different thing. I'm not defending DeWinters.

If the German regular army units were as culpable as the SS was, then why were they not all imprisoned for war crimes after the war? Isn't that why POW's are released after wars end?

622 JeremyR  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:37:39pm

re: #490 Sharmuta

The Wermacht were regular soldiers, professionals. The Nazi's were the SA, often called the brown shirts, the Waffen SS, or armed SS, and the SD which were secret police. Many of the Wermacht rejected Hitler and his doctrines. They tended to despise him. Most of them did not join the Nazi party until it became mandatory.
After the war, the Wermacht received pensions, the SA, SS and SiPo did not.

623 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:38:10pm

Oh fer cryin' out loud. Would ya just knock off yer nik picking, 'show me a pic' shit and just say, "What's wrong with WN?" and get it over with. Got the hell back to VDARE.

624 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:39:32pm

Ha, Jeppo, I plussed you on 614 but for some reason it won't take.

625 JHW  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:39:36pm

re: #598 PETN Sandwich

I noticed in the film the VB people had a form of the Leben rune they had up front in their meetings. Runic symbols were used by mostly foreign volunteers in their SS formations in a similar way the US and British armies use shoulder patches, they were also painted on the bumpers of vehicles to aid in identification, so soldiers could find their units, especially in the chaos of retreats later in the war. There were literally thousands of these designs used because they periodically changed them to confuse enemy intelligence. There is no good reason for a political party to use them now, unless they think they`re fooling someone when they haul out their old nostalgia stuff. I have references on these and I`m looking for the specific one they used right now, but it`s very time consuming, there are so many. Also the foreign SS units had a type of shoulder patch to distinguish them from German SS ( by law foreigners could not enlist in the regular German army, they formed national Waffen ss formations). The Flemish division had a black lion on a yellow shield as the "patch" worn on the left shoulder just below the SS Nazi eagle.

626 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:41:18pm

Now all we need is someone to start whinging, "The nazis stole the swastika too ya know."

627 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:41:43pm

re: #617 Thanos

I &#9829 Musharraf.

/get some, big time

628 Opilio  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:41:54pm

re: #624 hazzyday

Ha, Jeppo, I plussed you on 614 but for some reason it won't take.


It took. It was cancelled out by someone else's ding. Hint: click on the 0

629 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:42:37pm

re: #626 BenZacharia

Now all we need is someone to start whinging, "The nazis stole the swastika too ya know."

They did Ben.
From Hindus.

lol

630 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:43:14pm

re: #614 jeppo

This charge is utter nonsense and I challenge anyone to provide actual proof of any of these ridiculous allegations.

Oh for the love of Pete! Charles has put every d*mned link up at the top of this thread. Please read/go through them and quit wasting our time!

631 Nemesis6  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:43:15pm

Why the crap are you still going after these scumbags? We knew from the start that they were idiots, what's the point in pursuing this issue any further?

632 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:43:44pm

re: #620 Catttt

It's my new favorite recipe. "Tis quite fantastic and Rock Fish are never out of season out here.

633 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:44:15pm

Translated another one...

Dewinter on book show biography openlijke nazi

Kleinzoon Sven Eriksson wrote Bert Eriksson to a biography of its opa. That last was be always faithful to its nazistische conceptions and explained pride on its worship of the Führer and the nazisme. Eriksson stood to the head of the VMO (Flemish militants order), privé-militie that a beginning years 1980 were prohibited. Eriksson on commemorations of Adolf Hitler Blood&Honour also went on speaking organised. On the show of the biography concerning Bert Eriksson were according to a Internet site which wants the VMO honour also Dewinter and its woman presently.

Some months suffered Filip Dewinter still explained that in the Flemish importance no place is there for neo-nazi and skinheads. For openlijke nazi on the other hand there, however, place seems be in the ultra-right-wing party. More still, Dewinter drew themselves to a huldiging of such openlijke a nazi who played a role in the history of the Flemish importance.

634 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:44:59pm

re: #608 ec marm

Argh. I've been busted as a Fish-o-fascist!
/The shame!

635 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:45:16pm

re: #631 Nemesis6

Why the crap are you still going after these scumbags? We knew from the start that they were idiots, what's the point in pursuing this issue any further?

Nitty-picking ad infinitum.
Longest nitty-picking in the history of LGF.
Don't miss it, bring lots of pop corn.
Also byob ;)

636 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:45:41pm

re: #631 Nemesis6

Because they keep trying to smear Charles! He has a right to defend himself, you know.

637 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:46:19pm

re: #626 BenZacharia

Now all we need is someone to start whinging, "The nazis stole the swastika too ya know."

True, and if nazis / white power and other racist shits heads continue to appropriate themselves more crosses (etc), we may soon get in trouble and no longer capable of finding some "logo" that's "not contaminated" by them... Sad !

638 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:46:25pm

re: #626 BenZacharia

Now all we need is someone to start whinging, "The nazis stole the swastika too ya know."

Another thing the Nazis and Mo and his Murdering Men share: they steal.

639 ec marm  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:46:33pm

In the alternative universe of the Democrats, a serious discussion between a candidate for President, his wife, his position in the polls, Ahmadinejad, and a serious reporter(?):
STORM: I know that your husband doesn't want to focus on your tongue ring, but you do have one, correct?
KUCINICH: I do.
STORM: And would you remove it if you became First Lady or leave it in?
KUCINICH: It's part of me now. It's been there ten years, so --
STORM: Can we see it.
KUCINICH: No, you can't. Sorry.
DENNIS KUCINICH: That's my privilege.
STORM: Okay. Well done. Alright. Thanks for talking with us this morning. And good luck with your presidential aspirations in your campaign.
KUCINICH: Thank you.
STORM: That's Congressman Dennis --
ELIZABETH KUCINICH: And polling forth(sic) now.
STORM: Yes, polling forth(sic).
DENNIS KUCINICH: I'm up to 7% in New Hampshire, when I get to third place --
ELIZABETH KUCINICH: Fourth nationally --
STORM: When you get to third place or you meet with Ahmadinejad, we'll have you back. Right.
KUCINICH: You know, remember you said that.
STORM: There you go guys, there you go. Dennis and Elizabeth Kucinich, thank you.
[Link: newsbusters.org...]

640 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:46:37pm

re: #625 JHW

re: #598 PETN Sandwich

I noticed in the film the VB people had a form of the Leben rune they had up front in their meetings. Runic symbols were used by mostly foreign volunteers in their SS formations in a similar way the US and British armies use shoulder patches, they were also painted on the bumpers of vehicles to aid in identification, so soldiers could find their units, especially in the chaos of retreats later in the war. There were literally thousands of these designs used because they periodically changed them to confuse enemy intelligence. There is no good reason for a political party to use them now, unless they think they`re fooling someone when they haul out their old nostalgia stuff. I have references on these and I`m looking for the specific one they used right now, but it`s very time consuming, there are so many. Also the foreign SS units had a type of shoulder patch to distinguish them from German SS ( by law foreigners could not enlist in the regular German army, they formed national Waffen ss formations). The Flemish division had a black lion on a yellow shield as the "patch" worn on the left shoulder just below the SS Nazi eagle.


VMO uses the Leben as well, and NSV I think uses the Tyr.

641 JHW  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:47:47pm

re: #621 AirForceWife

Foreigners by law couldn`t join the regular German armed forces , the SS formed units especially for foreigners grouped by their nationality. I can`t imagine any special reason he would lay a wreath on a Wehrmacht (therefore German) grave ....ergo the grave of one of his countrymen, who if he was in the Nazi armed forces at all had to be in the Waffen SS. We need a good translation on that film, but I think this is right because it doesn`t make any sense otherwise(laying wreaths ongraves of foreigners).

642 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:48:28pm

OT but important, News Analysis of the Effect of the Emergency Order in Pakistan:

News analysis: Where do we go from here?

By Najam Sethi

Several points are interesting and significant about last night’s political rupture.

1: We have a state of martial law, whatever the government may say and however long it may last. The Proclamation of Emergency (PE) and the Provisional Constitutional Order (PCO) have been signed by the “Chief of Army Staff”, General Pervez Musharraf, and not by “President” Musharraf or Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz. In fact, a PCO is an extra constitutional deviation and only an army chief can order it.

2: The constitution has accordingly been “held in abeyance”. But significantly, the PCO says that the country will continue to be governed, “as nearly as possible” by the constitution. But where there is any other departure from the constitution apart from what is contained in the PCO and the PE from now onwards, it will be at the behest of the “President” and not the COAS. In other words, General Musharraf’s presidency has been confirmed and upheld by the PCO.

3: The PCO prohibits the courts from holding or issuing any decree against the President, the Prime Minister or anyone exercising powers under their authority. Specifically, the President shall now require a fresh oath under the PCO by those judges who wish to be included in the Federal Shariat Court, High Courts and Supreme Court. In this context, four Supreme Court judges have already taken oath under the PCO from President Musharraf and a new chief justice of Pakistan has been nominated, ie, Justice Hameed Dogar. In other words, Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry is now to be referred to as a former chief justice of Pakistan. He will be in the company of at least seven other fellow judges who have revolted against the PCO. We should now expect a host of other judges from the four High Courts and possibly Federal Shariat Court to be excluded from the new oath taking ceremonies. If this manoeuvre is accomplished by General Musharraf relatively quickly and the high courts are sufficiently revamped, then we shall have a pro-executive judiciary soon.

4: All ordinances promulgated by the president prior to this PCO remain valid. In other words, the National Reconciliation Ordinance is alive and kicking. Benazir Bhutto will be pleased.

5: The PE lists several reasons for its necessity. The prime reason is the state of deteriorating law and order and the vanishing writ of the state owing to acts of terrorism. But the judiciary has been held to be a major culprit in log-jamming the executive and undermining the war against extremism. Indeed, out of 11 effective clauses in the PE, eight refer to the negative role played by the judges and the judiciary in undermining the war against terrorism, the executive functioning of government and the economy. As such, the Supreme Court under Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry is held critically responsible for harming the national interest and exacerbating the crisis of the state and deadlock of the political system.

6: The 2007 PCO does not dissolve the assemblies or the provincial and federal governments. Nor does the PE announce any extension of the term of parliament by up to a year as is possible under a state of emergency. This means that General Musharraf intends to allow these parliaments and governments to finish their terms on November 16 (National Assembly) and November 24 (provincial assemblies), followed by general elections within a stipulated time frame.

643 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:48:35pm

re: #614 jeppo

Didn't Charles point out some confusion you were trying to cause the other day?

Gameyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Gamey Buttocks.

(Sung to the tune "Davey Crockett.)

644 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:48:58pm

OT Continued:
7: We should expect the lawyers, civil society groups and most, but not all, the opposition parties to launch a spirited protest on the streets and boycott the courts. But with the electronic media blinded, and the administrations freed from the oversight of the courts, the police and paramilitary forces will be used to arrest opponents and crush the protest movement. Two factors will play a critical role in what happens next: one, the extent to which the lawyers can continue their protest and if necessary sacrifice some dead bodies for their cause; two, the role played by the People’s Party of Ms Bhutto and the JUI of Maulana Fazalur Rehman. We should also expect a surge in terrorist activities and bomb blasts by Taliban and Al Qaeda elements to take advantage of the situation.

8. Ms Bhutto has returned to the country in the midst of the crisis. The government will expect her not to destabilise its modus operandi in exchange for a power sharing deal. In all probability, she will oppose the PCO and PE. Supporting it would incur the wrath of Pakistanis who generally don’t like what General Musharraf has done. But she may lend only token PPP support to the protest movement. Much the same may be said of Maulana Fazal’s JUI. Instead she will demand that the road be cleared for free and fair general elections so that the people may give their verdict on all parties.

9. Writ petitions will fly against the PCO. The new SC will agree to hear them. But no judgment will be forthcoming until such time the elections have been held and a new parliament is in place to indemnify the PCO and confirm President Musharraf as the legitimate president of Pakistan. In other words, the unconstitutionality of this act will probably be pronounced by the new SC after it has got retrospective validity from a new parliament some months hence. The question of whether General Musharraf will remain army chief for another five years or take off his uniform then will have to be settled by the new parliament in 2008 as happened in 2003.

10. The US, EU and the international community will condemn the PCO and demand a restoration of full fledged democracy via free and fair general elections. General Musharraf should not have any problems complying with their demand in due course.

645 formercorpsman  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:49:04pm

re: #614 jeppo

Your retort sums up everything in my original post.

Albeit, I would not know you if I tripped over you, nor do I have any other capacity than to take you at your word, I think to say somehow there has not been sufficient evidence relating to strange bedfellows, if you were a pitcher, you have the bases full, no outs, and a 3-2 count.

Most of us here are addicted to factual argument in the same manner Bill Clinton is attracted to chubby interns with a penchant for Macanudos.

The house has been throwing down royalty for the past couple of weeks, and it does not look like a new deck will yield any better hands.

Jeppo, I think with what you posted, you would have a groundswell of support from this community. However, if it comes attached with an ideology identical to what we post about, that is impossible.

Have a good night.

646 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:49:06pm

re: #636 Sharmuta

re: #631 Nemesis6

Because they keep trying to smear Charles! He has a right to defend himself, you know.

GAZE.
It's useless.
The Host around here knows where he's standing.
To an amazing degree that has astonished me (and others I guess)
Most lizards realize it so clearly now.
So, if someone don't want to see it...
GAZE
:p

647 AirForceWife  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:49:21pm

#641 JHW 11/03/07 7:47:47 pm reply quote report 0

re: #621 AirForceWife

Foreigners by law couldn`t join the regular German armed forces , the SS formed units especially for foreigners grouped by their nationality. I can`t imagine any special reason he would lay a wreath on a Wehrmacht (therefore German) grave ....ergo the grave of one of his countrymen, who if he was in the Nazi armed forces at all had to be in the Waffen SS. We need a good translation on that film, but I think this is right because it doesn`t make any sense otherwise(laying wreaths ongraves of foreigners).

I did not know that. Thank-you. I can't imagine it either then.

648 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:49:21pm
649 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:50:02pm

re: #633 NJDhockeyfan

Translated another one...

Dewinter on book show biography openlijke nazi


Kleinzoon Sven Eriksson wrote Bert Eriksson to a biography of its opa. That last was be always faithful to its nazistische conceptions and explained pride on its worship of the F%uFFFDand the nazisme. Eriksson stood to the head of the VMO (Flemish militants order), priv%uFFFDilitie that a beginning years 1980 were prohibited. Eriksson on commemorations of Adolf Hitler Blood&Honour also went on speaking organised. On the show of the biography concerning Bert Eriksson were according to a Internet site which wants the VMO honour also Dewinter and its woman presently.

Some months suffered Filip Dewinter still explained that in the Flemish importance no place is there for neo-nazi and skinheads. For openlijke nazi on the other hand there, however, place seems be in the ultra-right-wing party. More still, Dewinter drew themselves to a huldiging of such openlijke a nazi who played a role in the history of the Flemish importance.

Notice the photo of the Blood & Honour flag with the Nazi flags. Creepy.

650 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:50:14pm

re: #629 MigueldowninMexico

Hey-how's my favourite Mexican granddaddy?

651 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:50:39pm

re: #638 MandyManners

MANDY!

652 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:51:45pm

re: #631 Nemesis6

Why the crap are you still going after these scumbags? We knew from the start that they were idiots, what's the point in pursuing this issue any further?

This is not a tempest in a teapot. This is a clarifying and pivotal moment in the fight against Islamofascism.

653 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:52:03pm

re: #633 NJDhockeyfan

Ya do know that you're @ a rabid commie site doncha?

And ya don't need to translate they have an Engrish version.

[Link: www.lsp-mas.be...]

654 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:52:30pm

re: #598 PETN Sandwich

Pagan Runes Used by Nazi Germany

Some you've, some you haven't, some you've seen and didn't know what it was.

Thanks for posting these. I saw a couple of those symbols on a guy's shaved head this afternoon (He was driving the car next to me), and while I assumed the symbols were nazi-type, white power tattoos, I wasn't sure what they meant. If I recall correctly, he had the 'faith' symbol, among others. Oh, and the 'ss' symbol, which I did recognize.

/spit

655 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:52:42pm

re: #650 WriterMom

re: #629 MigueldowninMexico

Hey-how's my favourite Mexican granddaddy?

I'm fine, thanks a lot Mom! Hehehe.
How about you?

656 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:52:59pm

re: #636 Sharmuta

re: #631 Nemesis6

Because they keep trying to smear Charles! He has a right to defend himself, you know.

Yeah. What you said.

657 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:53:22pm

re: #628 Opilio


Ha. lol ok... It is greyed out to me for some reason.

658 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:54:14pm

re: #655 MigueldowninMexico

The usual, stirring up shit where I can in Canuckistan...baking cookies, tucking in kids. A blessed life.

659 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:54:43pm

re: #644 Thanos

So, what do you think?

/I think Pakistan has been a nightmare for a long time and, maybe, just maybe, push has finally come to shove

660 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:54:58pm

re: #639 ec marm

STORM: Can we see it.
KUCINICH: No, you can't. Sorry.
DENNIS KUCINICH: That's my privilege.

I so didn't need to read that.

661 swamprat  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:55:13pm

re: #649 NJDhockeyfanPhoto shop? Figure is clearer with less pixelation sp

662 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:55:14pm

re: #652 MandyManners

Indeed. It is absolutely essential that we clarify our position. Charles is the point man for principled anti-fascism. He is being ambushed by closet fscists of a different stripe, and we all need to support him as he does battle with these thugs.

663 Carridine  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:55:23pm

re: #635 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel,

Nitty-picking ad infinitum.

the spoken or unspoken internal dialogue/rationalization goes something like, "There's still at least ONE unanswered question, so I don't have to change my opinion..."

...while ignoring the 49 answered, logical reasons that preceded #50, as-yet-unanswered-question-ad-infinitum...

664 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:55:46pm
665 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:55:57pm

Charles-can we have a new thread? Something a little lighter. Not that I'm not totally devoted to fighting the beast...but perhaps some tunes? I loved it when you put audio up of some songs...exposing the lizard nation to music I'd often never heard of...

666 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:56:06pm

re: #653 BenZacharia

re: #633 NJDhockeyfan

Ya do know that you're @ a rabid commie site doncha?

And ya don't need to translate they have an Engrish version.

[Link: www.lsp-mas.be...]

Had no idea. Thanks for the info.

Does it make these stories connecting Filip Dewinter with Nazis suspect?

667 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:56:16pm
668 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:56:19pm

re: #658 WriterMom

re: #655 MigueldowninMexico

The usual, stirring up shit where I can in Canuckistan...baking cookies, tucking in kids. A blessed life.

Bless you for you must deserve it ;)
Canada needs a lot of lizards, I'm glad you're stirring things up lol

669 Catttt  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:56:24pm

re: #646 MigueldowninMexico

re: #636 Sharmuta


re: #631 Nemesis6

Because they keep trying to smear Charles! He has a right to defend himself, you know.


GAZE.
It's useless.
The Host around here knows where he's standing.
To an amazing degree that has astonished me (and others I guess)
Most lizards realize it so clearly now.
So, if someone don't want to see it...
GAZE
:p

Yes, indeed. Charles has that honor and resolve thing going in a big way.

Some people, who are GAZEworthy, choose to project motives on him that don't exist and choose not to read the many links already posted that answer their questions, because they've made up their minds and don't want to be confused with the facts.

670 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:56:28pm

re: #609 Sunlight

The EU came along after my time

Oh, my sweet darlin'.

No. The EU began right after World War I.

I've posted my email if you want me to give you some links.

I'm off to bed-inski.

671 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:57:03pm

re: #657 hazzyday
Hmmm i click on the zero and it says no votes for anyone, but my options to vote are greyed. Oh well.

672 konservo  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:58:23pm

Jeppo, if Dewinter had a shrine to Adolf Hitler in his home, you'd still be defending him, wouldn't you?

673 spam spam spam spam  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:58:45pm

re: #588 Catttt

re: #573 spam spam spam spam

Since 1952, only the third stanza of Das Deutschlandlied has been the official German national anthem. The first verse, which you refer to, is not part of the anthem any more. Here are the lyrics of their national anthem, in English:

Unity and justice and freedom
For the German fatherland;
For these let us all strive,
Brotherly with heart and hand.
Unity and justice and freedom
Are the pledge of happiness.
flourish in this fortune's blessing,
flourish, German fatherland.

Fine. Now we know where you stand.

674 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:58:47pm

re: #659 Killian Bundy

re: #644 Thanos

So, what do you think?

/I think Pakistan has been a nightmare for a long time and, maybe, just maybe, push has finally come to shove

Haven't formed full opinion yet, have to read some opposing papers and the blogs.

675 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:59:17pm
676 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:59:32pm

re: #666 NJDhockeyfan

Does it make these stories connecting Filip Dewinter with Nazis suspect?

I think we can assume that the commies will at least be biased. Corroboration is needed.

677 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:59:40pm

re: #664 jeppoThat is probably a good idea. To be safe, we should probably assume it's an Odin's cross in the meantime as represented by Stormfront

678 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 7:59:45pm

re: #667 song_and_dance_man

Okay.

/let's go redneck

679 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:00:01pm

re: #651 WriterMom

WM! How's it going?

680 bikermailman  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:00:02pm

re: #652 MandyManners

re: #631 Nemesis6


Why the crap are you still going after these scumbags? We knew from the start that they were idiots, what's the point in pursuing this issue any further?

This is not a tempest in a teapot. This is a clarifying and pivotal moment in the fight against Islamofascism.

BINGO!

681 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:00:09pm

re: #663 Carridine

re: #635 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel,

Nitty-picking ad infinitum.

the spoken or unspoken internal dialogue/rationalization goes something like, "There's still at least ONE unanswered question, so I don't have to change my opinion..."

...while ignoring the 49 answered, logical reasons that preceded #50, as-yet-unanswered-question-ad-infinitum...

So true Karridine. And that means that in most cases those people won't change their position.
Still, Mandy set me thinking when she (and Sharmuta) say that this is needed to clear up things as much as possible, there will always be people of good faith wanting to see evidence and accepting it once it's presented. And making it clear that Charles is on the right path.

I'll pour another and won't complaing about ad infinitum elaborating, it's useless, but not 100% of the time.

682 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:00:37pm

re: #676 BenZacharia

re: #666 NJDhockeyfan


Does it make these stories connecting Filip Dewinter with Nazis suspect?

I think we can assume that the commies will at least be biased. Corroboration is needed.

I'm pulling it up in photoshop to check it, also note the pic of Dewinter could have been taken anywhere.

683 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:00:41pm

re: #676 BenZacharia

re: #666 NJDhockeyfan


Does it make these stories connecting Filip Dewinter with Nazis suspect?

I think we can assume that the commies will at least be biased. Corroboration is needed.

We need to find someone who can read Dutch and has alot of time on their hands.

684 formercorpsman  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:01:27pm

re: #664 jeppo

Again, Jeppo, you would think with all the enterprising that has gone on for days here, with respect to that very symbol you talk of, to think that you have performed so many interpretive defensive dance steps, to come out now and say you

honestly have no idea about the Odin's/Celtic/circle/whatever Cross on Dewinter's bookshelf

seems to come up a little bit short.

All your enterprising are belong to us.

685 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:02:00pm

re: #669 Catttt

Absolutely Catttt.

686 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:02:27pm
687 Catttt  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:03:03pm

re: #673 spam spam spam spam

re: #588 Catttt


re: #573 spam spam spam spam

Since 1952, only the third stanza of Das Deutschlandlied has been the official German national anthem. The first verse, which you refer to, is not part of the anthem any more. Here are the lyrics of their national anthem, in English:

Unity and justice and freedom
For the German fatherland;
For these let us all strive,
Brotherly with heart and hand.
Unity and justice and freedom
Are the pledge of happiness.
flourish in this fortune's blessing,
flourish, German fatherland.


Fine. Now we know where you stand.

What WE? Who are you, the Queen of England?

Yeah. I stand against you for slamming an entire country. You're a bigot. How's that for clear? I've found that people, like you, who do that with one group will not stop at one. Kind of like the way the Nazis started with the communists, moved on to the trade unionists, then the dems, then the Jews and Romami and disabled and Catholics, , etc.

688 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:03:23pm

re: #662 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #652 MandyManners

Indeed. It is absolutely essential that we clarify our position. Charles is the point man for principled anti-fascism. He is being ambushed by closet fscists of a different stripe, and we all need to support him as he does battle with these thugs.

I feel as if we are ALL battling these thugs.

689 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:04:29pm

Lizards rule.......
Limb regrowth a step closer after 'regenerative medicine' breakthrough

Today, a British team reports the discovery of a molecular signal that allows newts to re-grow a body part if it fails, is severed or is damaged. The discovery of how newts can regenerate their limbs - and their hearts, eyes and jaws - gives Prof Jeremy Brockes of University College London new hope that it could one day be possible to do the same in people.

During newt limb regeneration, specialised cells near the site of an injury revert to a more embryo like state in a process called "de-differentiation". The animal, in effect, creates its own stem cells to grow new tissues where and when they are needed.

Science!

690 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:04:35pm

re: #667 song_and_dance_man

re: #643 MandyManners


Gameyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Gamey Buttocks
King of the wild Backtier

LOL! I'm so tired I couldn't think beyond the "buttocks."

691 bikermailman  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:04:41pm

re: #678 Killian Bundy

re: #667 song_and_dance_man

Okay.

/let's go redneck

Ahhhh...the Headhunters....
/Let's all goooooo down to Dumas Walker (Do Miss Walker)

692 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:05:15pm
693 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:05:16pm

Jeppo,

Here is a slow pitched softball right over the plate.

Yes or No.

Is WN really not so bad?

694 ec marm  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:05:33pm

re: #660 MandyManners
Makes you wonder what folks in other countries think of Americans, though, doesn't it?

695 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:06:40pm
696 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:07:16pm

On the backs of cats are fleas
who itch and scratch and bite 'em
And on their backs are littler fleas
and so on, ad infinitum.

697 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:08:09pm

re: #680 bikermailman

re: #652 MandyManners


re: #631 Nemesis6

Why the crap are you still going after these scumbags? We knew from the start that they were idiots, what's the point in pursuing this issue any further?

This is not a tempest in a teapot. This is a clarifying and pivotal moment in the fight against Islamofascism.

BINGO!

Those who don't understand it are either not paying attention or believe that we should throw our lot in with the Fascists.

698 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:08:27pm

...Hockeyfan...

From that site, CHE!

So I think they may lie about anything.

699 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:08:51pm

re: #682 Thanos

re: #676 BenZacharia


re: #666 NJDhockeyfan

Does it make these stories connecting Filip Dewinter with Nazis suspect?

I think we can assume that the commies will at least be biased. Corroboration is needed.

I'm pulling it up in photoshop to check it, also note the pic of Dewinter could have been taken anywhere.

Let us know if you find anything.

700 konservo  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:09:27pm

re: #695 jeppo

I'm glad to hear it. How about BenZacharia's question #693?

701 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:10:41pm
702 snowtravel  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:11:02pm

re: #504 WriterMom

So, the regular German army...just regular dudes...no Nazi affiliation or anything.

I had the same question, but with a different emphasis.

Post WWII, policy toward beaten Nazi forces was sufficiently pragmatic that Allied leaders placed the Wehrmacht under Allied command (serving, for example, as police in the BRD). A show of latitude and perhaps even mercy toward the Wehrmacht after its underconditional surrender isn't as cuckoo as it might seem.

This matters because of how it's being used today. Modern Neo-Nazi propaganda can be surprisingly subtle. If success in mainstream politics means toning down the jew-baiting, turning up the Islamophobia (our common enemy!) and acting as apologists for dead German soldiers, so be it.

Remember, we're only talking about placing flowers on graves and the like.

703 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:11:24pm

re: #698 BenZacharia

...Hockeyfan...

From that site, CHE!

So I think they may lie about anything.


The Commies do love their murderous dictators, don't they?

704 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:11:25pm

re: #686 jeppo

C'mon Sharmuta, put your prosecutor's hat on and PROVE that the VB are Nazis, fascists, white supremacists or anti-Semites

.

Unlike Fascists, Communists and Islamofascists, no one can force you to believe anything here. It's up to you to believe or, not.

705 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:11:40pm

re: #698 BenZacharia

...Hockeyfan...

From that site, CHE!

So I think they may lie about anything.


Ok the B&H photo looks authentic except perhaps for the portrait in front of the projector screen. Few swirls there, but that just could be from photo compression.

No need to fake anything on Blood and Honor, they are extremely overt with their Nazism -- it's easy to google up lots on them. Be careful, what you find will be on some very ugly sites.

706 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:12:31pm

re: #656 MandyManners

Thanks, Hon.

707 someguy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:12:44pm

Charles: You've done a lot of Americans a great service by showing what Europeans are like when they're cornered. That is, they'll either embrace self-hatered, or they'll embrace blood-and-soil racism. Now that that fact has been thoroughly established, what use is there in going on with this?

On a thread that appeared here yesterday, I said that if there's any real hope to defeat Islamofascism, it will come from the Anglosphere and Israel. Let's see if anyone on this thread can guess who was responsible for this quote, which neattly sums up the mess that is the Continent:

As we stand on the threshold of a new century - indeed, of a new millennium - it behoves us to remember what led to the creation of the English Speaking Union in the first place. Evelyn Wrench's idea to form a society for the co-operation of the English speaking peoples came amidst the carnage and chaos of the First World War. He was prescient. He believed then - and history has borne him out - that the security of the world would largely depend on the close co-operation of the English speaking peoples. Europe's first great war had made that much clear; its second, only a little more than two decades later, would confirm it.

708 spam spam spam spam  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:12:57pm

re: #687 Catttt

Catttt, I'm not the one defending the Nazi's and their Flemish friends. You are.

I'm not slamming a country, I'm slamming an ideology. An ideology you have been very quick to champion. Where do your loyalties lie?

709 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:14:40pm
710 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:14:48pm

re: #694 ec marm

re: #660 MandyManners
Makes you wonder what folks in other countries think of Americans, though, doesn't it?

If they judge me or any other American based on hearing/seeing any American, I don't give a rat's ass! But, maybe that's because I think Kucchie-Kook is not represenetative and that Rudy is representative.

(Does that make any sense? I got off work three hours ago and I'm trying hard to catch up on the SNDT. I still have to remember to play Tooth Fairy tonight.)

711 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:15:23pm
712 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:15:31pm

re: #704 MandyManners

It keeps dancing around the 'white national' thang. Changes subject to white supremacy/nazi/etc.

713 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:15:39pm

re: #686 jeppo

I already told you to quit wasting my time. Quit wasting LGF's time.

714 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:15:40pm

re: #686 jeppo

re: #624 hazzyday


Ha, Jeppo, I plussed you on 614 but for some reason it won't take.

re: #630 Sharmuta

re: #614 jeppo

This charge is utter nonsense and I challenge anyone to provide actual proof of any of these ridiculous allegations.

Oh for the love of Pete! Charles has put every d*mned link up at the top of this thread. Please read/go through them and quit wasting our time!

C'mon Sharmuta, put your prosecutor's hat on and PROVE that the VB are Nazis, fascists, white supremacists or anti-Semites. Don't show me a rat and a cross and think you've made a case.

The circumstantial evidence is great that they are. Symbols are important. You are willing to make statements about the Celtic Cross being popular in Flanders, but nothing to say about the Odin's cross. I have agreed with Sharmuta and Thanos that the symbol that is dear to Filips heart is an Odin's Cross. An Odin's cross that equates itself to the Stormfront symbology to a greater degree than anything else we have seen. In reply you say "you know nothing of this type of cross and have no opinion on what it is or what it represents or why Filip wants to use it."

As I understand the crypto aspect. This is exactly the feeling most people get when they query past the superficial aspect of VB. It becomes crypto. You don't find this in the US except in unsavory institutions that want to hide til they get power. Once they get power they take their gloves off and rule as bad as the people they replaced. We are loaded with Marxists like that in our Delaware like school systems and local governments hiding behind social justice movements.

If Filip and party wants to rule, he needs to be more transparent. I realize that is difficult in Belgium with the Fascist left that exists there, but that is the only way he is going to be truly productive. Otherwise there are always going to be strong forces working to marginalize him.

715 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:16:23pm

re: #701 jeppo

Ya' one-trick pony.

716 Carridine  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:16:27pm

re: #681 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel, you notice that jeppo ignores #619, above. Or missed it. Or didn't see it. Or maybe at that moment he went potty, in the tinkle-tinkle-ha-ha room...

In any case, he has not addressed the response to his plea for proof.

But then, WHAT WILL jeppo ACCEPT AS PROOF?

This blog is not only an excellent place to examine and dissect darkness and shadow, but an excellent place to examine and investigate LIGHT...

Not just what we're against, but what we're FOR, jeppo!


"(Followers of the Light) view racism as America's most vital and challenging issue."
717 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:16:38pm

You are all fascist monkeys....

Humanity's close cousin revealed (click image to enlarge)

Say hi to your new weird cousin: genetic analysis has shown the closest relative to primates (humans, apes, lemurs and monkeys) is the colugo, a Malaysian animal that looks like a flying squirrel.

The oddball of our family tree is sometimes called a flying lemur, but isn't a true lemur and can't fly. It has webbed skin that stretches around its legs, neck and tail almost like the surface of a Frisbee, letting it glide from tree to tree at night. And apart from monkeys and apes, it shares more genes with humans than with any other animal.


/Damn dirty apes.

718 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:17:13pm

re: #706 Sharmuta

You're welcome, sweetie!

719 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:17:18pm

re: #711 jeppo

But since the Flemings are white (or pink, peach or tan) some people want to claim that it's really WN.

Ding ding ding we gots a wiener! Flemish racism.

720 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:17:42pm
721 bikermailman  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:17:55pm

re: #707 someguy

Charles: You've done a lot of Americans a great service by showing what Europeans are like when they're cornered. That is, they'll either embrace self-hatered, or they'll embrace blood-and-soil racism. Now that that fact has been thoroughly established, what use is there in going on with this?

On a thread that appeared here yesterday, I said that if there's any real hope to defeat Islamofascism, it will come from the Anglosphere and Israel. Let's see if anyone on this thread can guess who was responsible for this quote, which neattly sums up the mess that is the Continent:


As we stand on the threshold of a new century - indeed, of a new millennium - it behoves us to remember what led to the creation of the English Speaking Union in the first place. Evelyn Wrench's idea to form a society for the co-operation of the English speaking peoples came amidst the carnage and chaos of the First World War. He was prescient. He believed then - and history has borne him out - that the security of the world would largely depend on the close co-operation of the English speaking peoples. Europe's first great war had made that much clear; its second, only a little more than two decades later, would confirm it.

Sarkozy?

722 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:18:23pm

re: #713 Sharmuta

I already told you to quit wasting my time. Quit wasting LGF's time.

It's the only thing we have to play with.

/would you deny us our toys?

723 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:18:30pm

re: #711 jeppo

re: #693 BenZacharia


Jeppo,

Here is a slow pitched softball right over the plate.

Yes or No.

Is WN really not so bad?


No, I'm not defending white nationalism at all. I'm defending Flemish nationalism. But since the Flemings are white (or pink, peach or tan) some people want to claim that it's really WN.

So we shouldn't question quotes like this?

"Our own people first! And yes, Vlaams Blok chooses a Flemish Flanders. And yes, Vlaams Blok chooses a white Europe! "

724 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:19:03pm

re: #712 BenZacharia

re: #704 MandyManners

It keeps dancing around the 'white national' thang. Changes subject to white supremacy/nazi/etc.

It would be amusing to watch if the subject were not important.

725 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:19:15pm

There are 12 links at the top of this thread, jeppo. For the last effin time-

Go through them!

726 konservo  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:19:21pm

re: #711 jeppo

re: #693 BenZacharia


Jeppo,

Here is a slow pitched softball right over the plate.

Yes or No.

Is WN really not so bad?


No, I'm not defending white nationalism at all. I'm defending Flemish nationalism. But since the Flemings are white (or pink, peach or tan) some people want to claim that it's really WN.

No. People claim that Vlaams Belang is really a WN group because Dewinter has said that Vlaams Belang believes in a "white Europe." Hence, you're defending a white nationalist group.

727 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:19:28pm
728 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:19:39pm

re: #707 someguy

Charles: You've done a lot of Americans a great service by showing what Europeans are like when they're cornered. That is, they'll either embrace self-hatered, or they'll embrace blood-and-soil racism. Now that that fact has been thoroughly established, what use is there in going on with this?

On a thread that appeared here yesterday, I said that if there's any real hope to defeat Islamofascism, it will come from the Anglosphere and Israel. Let's see if anyone on this thread can guess who was responsible for this quote, which neattly sums up the mess that is the Continent:


As we stand on the threshold of a new century - indeed, of a new millennium - it behoves us to remember what led to the creation of the English Speaking Union in the first place. Evelyn Wrench's idea to form a society for the co-operation of the English speaking peoples came amidst the carnage and chaos of the First World War. He was prescient. He believed then - and history has borne him out - that the security of the world would largely depend on the close co-operation of the English speaking peoples. Europe's first great war had made that much clear; its second, only a little more than two decades later, would confirm it.


Sounds like Maggie Thatcher?

729 Catttt  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:19:51pm

re: #708 spam spam spam spam

re: #687 Catttt

Catttt, I'm not the one defending the Nazi's and their Flemish friends. You are.

I'm not slamming a country, I'm slamming an ideology. An ideology you have been very quick to champion. Where do your loyalties lie?

I did NOT defend the fricking Nazis, and I did not say one word about the Flemish, nor did I say anything about any ideology. I corrected your error about the fricking German national anthem.

And scroll up. You condemned GERMANY. that's a country, bub. GERMANY is a country, in Europe, with many people in it, note of whom are good enough for you. Those remarks were bigoted. Most people condemn the Nazis - you condemned a modern country that tosses neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers in prison.

730 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:19:54pm

re: #701 jeppo

It's not some cross, it's an Odin's cross that has a definite symbolical history.

731 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:20:30pm

Sometimes all ya have to do is ask.

Jeppo endorses white nationalism. I'll look for your articles on VDARE.

732 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:20:32pm

re: #707 someguy

Now that that fact has been thoroughly established, what use is there in going on with this?

Because he's still getting attacked!

/Geeeeeeeeeeeze!

733 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:20:35pm

re: #719 BenZacharia

re: #711 jeppo


But since the Flemings are white (or pink, peach or tan) some people want to claim that it's really WN.

Ding ding ding we gots a wiener! Flemish racism.

Ain't no cafe au lait or mocha listed there. I guess they're relegated to the former colonies.

734 bikermailman  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:20:49pm

I threw Sarkozy out because I'm guessing it won't be someone obvious.

735 Opilio  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:20:55pm

re: #671 hazzyday

re: #657 hazzyday
Hmmm i click on the zero and it says no votes for anyone, but my options to vote are greyed. Oh well.


You can't vote on your own posts, so the options to vote will be grey for those. If you click on the score (currently -1) up at #614, you'll see that your plus vote did indeed take.

736 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:21:47pm
737 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:22:09pm

re: #720 song_and_dance_man

Thank you for reminding me!

738 hazzyday  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:22:28pm

re: #717 Killgore Trout

We are all probably related to Dick Cheney in some way.

739 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:22:35pm

re: #719 BenZacharia

re: #711 jeppo


But since the Flemings are white (or pink, peach or tan) some people want to claim that it's really WN.

Ding ding ding we gots a wiener! Flemish racism.

That's absolutely correct, they hate the Francophones really more than the Turks and Morrocans.

740 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:22:49pm

When a 15 year old French boy is raped by 3 men in Dubai - the authorities consider it

"forced homosexuality" and he is susceptible to a year in jail.

His mother, understandably PO'd, has started a website:

www.BoycottDubai.com

741 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:23:03pm

re: #679 MandyManners

Mandy-life is busy. I am trying to organize a Grand Lizard Reception for Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein when they come to Toronto. That's just one thing on my to-do list...

742 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:23:04pm

re: #722 Killian Bundy

re: #713 Sharmuta


I already told you to quit wasting my time. Quit wasting LGF's time.

It's the only thing we have to play with.

/would you deny us our toys?

Watch out. We'll take away your marbles and tiddly-winks next.

743 formercorpsman  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:23:08pm

re: #701 jeppo

This is my last dance with you for the night.

You are baiting all responses and retort.

Sorry, it's not up to me to defend some cross on Dewinter's bookshelf, it's up to you to prove that the VB are Nazis, fascists, white supremacists or anti-Semites.

From the onset, Charles never did what you are saying needs to be done. He voiced concern that the VB may have baggage. It becomes guilt by association. It has never been about the party platform.

It is when they are called on certain aspects of their relationships with people or groups that are outright N-F-WS-AS, that it has become an issue.

In the process, this yearning for knowledge subsequently produced other information coming to the foreground that presents even more questions.

I still think it does not make good sense to bet against this house.

744 someguy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:23:23pm

Thanos got it!

745 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:24:11pm

re: #715 MandyManners

re: #701 jeppo

Ya' one-trick pony.

He needs to be spoon fed.

746 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:24:16pm

re: #727 song_and_dance_man

Oh dang jeppo... Mandy is on to you. I disagree with you but now you have my empathy.

I'm a pussy cat tonight. (Wanna' see my fangs and my claws?)

747 itellu3times  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:24:50pm

re: #717 Killgore Trout

You are all fascist monkeys....

Humanity's close cousin revealed (click image to enlarge)
/Damn dirty apes.

From the article:

It eats shoots and leaves.

Makes it another member of the Cheney/Obama clan.

748 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:25:42pm
749 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:25:47pm

re: #743 formercorpsman

I still think it does not make good sense to bet against this house.

Indeed.

750 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:26:07pm

re: #747 itellu3times

HA!

751 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:26:43pm

re: #741 WriterMom

Sounds very interesting! I wish I could make it over to your neck of the woods for a lunch or two.

752 AirForceWife  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:26:45pm

#688 MandyManners 11/03/07 8:03:23 pm reply quote report 0

re: #662 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #652 MandyManners

Indeed. It is absolutely essential that we clarify our position. Charles is the point man for principled anti-fascism. He is being ambushed by closet fscists of a different stripe, and we all need to support him as he does battle with these thugs.

I feel as if we are ALL battling these thugs.

And the best way to do that is to use their own materials against them. They can't deny the things they put out there for everyone to see and hear. Accepting literature put out by other groups is inference.

753 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:27:14pm
754 Catttt  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:27:34pm

re: #717 Killgore Trout

You are all fascist monkeys....

Humanity's close cousin revealed (click image to enlarge)


Say hi to your new weird cousin: genetic analysis has shown the closest relative to primates (humans, apes, lemurs and monkeys) is the colugo, a Malaysian animal that looks like a flying squirrel.
The oddball of our family tree is sometimes called a flying lemur, but isn't a true lemur and can't fly. It has webbed skin that stretches around its legs, neck and tail almost like the surface of a Frisbee, letting it glide from tree to tree at night. And apart from monkeys and apes, it shares more genes with humans than with any other animal.

/Damn dirty apes.

This subject always makes me think of Q in ST NG saying "It's as plain as the noses on your ugly little primate faces" to Captain Picard.

755 JeremyR  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:27:36pm

re: #696 Killgore Trout

On the backs of cats are fleas
who itch and scratch and bite 'em
And on their backs are littler fleas
and so on, ad infinitum.

My father claimed the shortest poem was "fleas"

Adam,
Had em.

756 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:27:45pm

re: #702 snowtravel

Remember, we're only talking about placing flowers on graves and the like.

Are you saying this seriously, or did you forget a sarc tag?

757 DesertSage  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:28:10pm

If the Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats hate the Jews because they're Nazi sympathizers, and the Leftists hate the Jews because they're Muslim sympathizers....than who the hell is left in Europe to fight the Islamofascists?

That's all I'd like to know!

Who the hell is left over there that I can cheer for and support?

758 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:28:14pm

A post modern anthem......
Monkey vs Robot
/G'nite, y'all

759 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:28:39pm

re: #745 Sharmuta

re: #715 MandyManners


re: #701 jeppo

Ya' one-trick pony.


He needs to be spoon fed.

Or, with a bottle. But, pablum might be too hard for it to digest. UNLESS it is a Fascist itself that likes to sew dissenstion and confusion.

760 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:28:59pm
They believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.

-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800

761 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:29:08pm

re: #751 MandyManners

Open invitation for you if you ever come up this way.

762 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:29:37pm

re: #746 MandyManners

re: #727 song_and_dance_man


Oh dang jeppo... Mandy is on to you. I disagree with you but now you have my empathy.

I'm a pussy cat tonight. (Wanna' see my fangs and my claws?)

If you wanna stay in a good mood, don't click the link #475.

763 spam spam spam spam  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:30:23pm

re: #729 Catttt

re: #708 spam spam spam spam

re: #687 Catttt

Catttt, I'm not the one defending the Nazi's and their Flemish friends. You are.

I'm not slamming a country, I'm slamming an ideology. An ideology you have been very quick to champion. Where do your loyalties lie?

I did NOT defend the fricking Nazis, and I did not say one word about the Flemish, nor did I say anything about any ideology. I corrected your error about the fricking German national anthem.

And scroll up. You condemned GERMANY. that's a country, bub. GERMANY is a country, in Europe, with many people in it, note of whom are good enough for you. Those remarks were bigoted. Most people condemn the Nazis - you condemned a modern country that tosses neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers in prison.

Just the kind of thing I'd expect someone like you to say. I'm done reading posts from people making excuses for racism, and worse. Goodnight, or should I say "gute nacht"?!

764 Occasional Reader  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:30:43pm
765 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:30:53pm

re: #755 JeremyR

I took me a second on that. Good one.

766 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:31:01pm

re: #748 song_and_dance_man

re: #746 MandyManners


re: #727 song_and_dance_man

Oh dang jeppo... Mandy is on to you. I disagree with you but now you have my empathy.

I'm a pussy cat tonight. (Wanna' see my fangs and my claws?)

Never... That's why I keep the water hose close.

Water only pisses me off even more.

767 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:31:37pm
768 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:32:03pm

re: #764 Occasional Reader

What are you doing up so late?

769 formercorpsman  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:32:04pm

re: #746 MandyManners

No, but if you think you can still fit into that outfit, well then I'm all for it Eartha.

770 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:32:28pm
771 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:32:46pm

re: #752 AirForceWife

And the best way to do that is to use their own materials against them. They can't deny the things they put out there for everyone to see and hear.

That must really piss them off.

772 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:33:41pm

re: #761 WriterMom

I'd be honored to attend.

773 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:34:07pm
774 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:34:31pm

re: #759 MandyManners

He's definitely trying to sow dissension and confusion. What that means- well.... jeepo would ask Thanos what he thinks.

775 Catttt  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:34:43pm

re: #763 spam spam spam spam

re: #729 Catttt


re: #708 spam spam spam spam
re: #687 Catttt
Catttt, I'm not the one defending the Nazi's and their Flemish friends. You are.

I'm not slamming a country, I'm slamming an ideology. An ideology you have been very quick to champion. Where do your loyalties lie?

I did NOT defend the fricking Nazis, and I did not say one word about the Flemish, nor did I say anything about any ideology. I corrected your error about the fricking German national anthem.
And scroll up. You condemned GERMANY. that's a country, bub. GERMANY is a country, in Europe, with many people in it, note of whom are good enough for you. Those remarks were bigoted. Most people condemn the Nazis - you condemned a modern country that tosses neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers in prison.

Just the kind of thing I'd expect someone like you to say. I'm done reading posts from people making excuses for racism, and worse. Goodnight, or should I say "gute nacht"?!

I can't decide whether you're nuts, a moby, or drunk.

776 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:34:48pm
777 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:35:02pm

re: #762 NJDhockeyfan

I'm trying to catch up so I'll have to click later.

778 pat  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:35:18pm

The populace of the EU is indeed screwed. they are ruled by appointed officials of predominately French and German extraction. They have ignored virtually every plebiscite or referendum and simply continued on their way. They have voided American patents, marketing practices, mergers of entirely American companies and now are attempting to force their food and drug laws upon us, in America. Bush and State have nodded to all of this like an English Butler serving the Queen. Meanwhile the usual monopolistic State practices in Europe continue unabated: State owned factories, direct subsidies, inside no-bid contracts, blocked mergers, blocked stock sales, industrial espionage, etc. All MSM, by the way, including most American, finds the EU simply to be more sophisticated than the American peasants.

779 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:35:26pm

re: #770 jeppo

re: #723 NJDhockeyfan


re: #711 jeppo

re: #693 BenZacharia

Jeppo,
Here is a slow pitched softball right over the plate.
Yes or No.

Is WN really not so bad?


No, I'm not defending white nationalism at all. I'm defending Flemish nationalism. But since the Flemings are white (or pink, peach or tan) some people want to claim that it's really WN.

So we shouldn't question quotes like this?

"Our own people first! And yes, Vlaams Blok chooses a Flemish Flanders. And yes, Vlaams Blok chooses a white Europe! "

"Vlams Blok chooses a white Europe!" might sound harsh to North American ears, but what if he said European or indigenous instead of white? It would have the exact same meaning and probably not offend peoples politically correct sensibilities. If your searching for a deeper meaning, it's that they are anti-immigration, period.


It's nice of you to spin his statement but i'm going to take it at face value.

"And yes, Vlaams Blok chooses a white Europe! "

780 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:35:52pm
781 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:36:45pm

re: #757 DesertSage

If the Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats hate the Jews because they're Nazi sympathizers, and the Leftists hate the Jews because they're Muslim sympathizers....than who the hell is left in Europe to fight the Islamofascists?

That's all I'd like to know!

Who the hell is left over there that I can cheer for and support?

That's your big problem, and that is my big problem and that is the big problem of the Europeans.
Who to resort to?

There's a conservative party in Spain, the Partido Popular, that I think can be trusted (by now I'm preety insecure about Europe), but in case it's a good force to support, it has influence only on Iberia. And the rest of Europe? Perhaps Zarko, Solidarnoc, I don't know.
Who indeed?

782 lurking faith  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:37:38pm

re: #614 jeppo

They [VB - ed. note] have been repeatedly smeared by the corrupt Belgian regime and, regrettably, LGF as Nazis, fascists, white supremacists and anti-Semites. This charge is utter nonsense and I challenge anyone to provide actual proof of any of these ridiculous allegations.

That's right; stick your fingers in your ears and yell "lalalalalalalalala." That'll make all the ties to white supremacists, honoring of dead Nazis, and use of white supremacist symbols, done by leaders of VB, untrue.

BTW, we are not saying you're all a bunch of Nazis and racists. We are saying you have them among you, and are working with or even following them without objecting to their racist ideas.

As a few others have said recently: If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

783 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:37:45pm

re: #769 formercorpsman

LOL! How about this? It's all I can muster at such short notice.

784 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:38:03pm

I'm watching a coupla JDs shell corn right outside the window, how cool is that?

785 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:38:09pm

re: #771 MandyManners

Sure they do..look at how the CAIR bots and the local jihadi sympathizers act when they are caught with their pants down...it's all OUT OF CONTEXT, or BLOGGERS FAULT, or MISINTERPRETED, yadda yadda.

786 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:38:32pm

re: #770 jeppo

re: #723 NJDhockeyfan


re: #711 jeppo

re: #693 BenZacharia

Jeppo,
Here is a slow pitched softball right over the plate.
Yes or No.

Is WN really not so bad?


No, I'm not defending white nationalism at all. I'm defending Flemish nationalism. But since the Flemings are white (or pink, peach or tan) some people want to claim that it's really WN.

So we shouldn't question quotes like this?

"Our own people first! And yes, Vlaams Blok chooses a Flemish Flanders. And yes, Vlaams Blok chooses a white Europe! "

"Vlams Blok chooses a white Europe!" might sound harsh to North American ears, but what if he said European or indigenous instead of white? It would have the exact same meaning and probably not offend peoples politically correct sensibilities. If your searching for a deeper meaning, it's that they are anti-immigration, period.

Nice try. Why does Filip want to deport Portugeuse then? Are they not also part of Europe?

787 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:38:44pm

re: #762 NJDhockeyfan

re: #746 MandyManners

If you wanna stay in a good mood, don't click the link #475.

Think they erased the post, what was it about ?

788 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:39:03pm
789 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:39:28pm

re: #763 spam spam spam spam

You are completely out of line, buddy.
Catttt is one of the best lizards around.
Pick your enemies better.

790 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:39:43pm

re: #770 jeppo

but what if he said European or indigenous instead of white

Not even the fucking Celts are indigenous.

791 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:39:44pm

re: #757 DesertSage

Who the hell is left over there that I can cheer for and support?

Stick with supporting Americans. Most likely, we'll have to bail their sorry *sses out once more.

792 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:39:47pm
793 JHW  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:40:04pm

re: #701 jeppo

I think you are missing a lot of evidence presented here, it`s pretty time consuming I admit, but the evidence is pretty damning. In particular, a few seconds looking at the link NJDhockeyfan provided , #592, shows recent photos of VB people doing the tourist thing at Braunau am Inn in Austria.That`s the town where Hitler was born. Hit the "photo" entry in the left column, takes you to more photos, many recent. Scroll down until you see the N.J.S.V. poster for their youth organization. Notice the drawing of the masked youth superimposed on a three-legged cross. Know what that cross means? It`s the exact same insignia that the 27th SS Division used in its collar patches , in the place where German SS units would have the 2 SS lightning flashes. Yet another way to distinguish foreign from German SS units. The Dutch Legion for example, wore a different rune there. Here`s the deal. There`s too many old Nazi keepsakes, crosses , runes, grave wreath layings connected with this bunch. It smells to high heaven. There is no good reason to be hanging on to and using all this stuff in a modern political party.

794 snowtravel  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:41:00pm

re: #756 WriterMom

re: #702 snowtravel

Remember, we're only talking about placing flowers on graves and the like.

Are you saying this seriously, or did you forget a sarc tag?

The OT is all about nuance, right? These questions--whether it's flowers on graves or opposing chocolate attacks on questionable politicians--are all beside the point.

(Damn, I totally missed the sarc tag, is that the one next to the italics?)

795 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:41:00pm

re: #774 Sharmuta

As my momma' says, "Who are you gonna' believe: me or your own eyes?"

796 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:41:02pm
797 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:41:05pm

Since Jews aren't white I guess Jeppo wants them out from among the indigenous flemish population. Sieg Hiel!

798 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:41:16pm

Another interesting image from a VB web site:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Original URL:

[Link: www.vbj.org...]

The "Diversity Charter" means whites will have to bow down to non-whites?

799 pat  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:41:32pm

re: #788 song_and_dance_man

No pink ribbons. Pink cherubs and little boys, as well a few adult Swedes. All done by the finest Palestinian artists.

800 Clemente  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:41:37pm

Jeppo,

Will you simply renounce, without any reservation, all those who'd apply race as a measure of individual humanity?

Do you specifically acknowledge that Hitler, his Nazi party, and their supporters across Europe, directly and enthusiastically pursued the deadliest, most inhumane genocide that continent has ever seen? That the Jewish genocide was an atrocity without precedent; a monumental evil permanently staining every participant, willful or passive, as unfit to public life?

Do you further recognize that collaborators to that genocide, and their post-war sympathizers and apologists, have continuously pursued political power throughout the last sixty years?

Can you conceive their political activity seeking legitimacy by attempts to associate with modern nationalist movements?

Can you comprehend the horror growing in those who'd defend our cultural integrity on discovering the fascist murderers of our grandparent's nightmares, now hope to tie their revolting, bigoted, anti-semitic, and blood-thirsty racist ideology, to what should be an obviously righteous cause of individual liberty, i.e. the obliteration of Islamist fascism as a political force in civil society?

Do you understand there's not the slightest chance these defenders of Liberty will ever cleave to your fascism, in the fight against another?

If it again comes to trench warfare, jumping into my trench will be the end of your war.

801 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:42:30pm

re: #785 WriterMom

re: #771 MandyManners

Sure they do..look at how the CAIR bots and the local jihadi sympathizers act when they are caught with their pants down...it's all OUT OF CONTEXT, or BLOGGERS FAULT, or MISINTERPRETED, yadda yadda.

These modern Nazis are even more similar to Islamofascists.

802 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:43:50pm

re: #792 jeppo

Why don't you go peddle that shit on the street?

803 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:44:28pm

re: #771 MandyManners

If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything. ~Mark Twain

Kind of works in reverse too. Al Gore's internet remembers just about everything, so you better tell the truth or you'll be exposed as a liar.

804 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:44:32pm

"Knuckle-dragging American neo-cons",

would be a good rotating title IMHO

805 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:44:47pm

re: #787 Ashamed to be Dutch

re: #762 NJDhockeyfan


re: #746 MandyManners

If you wanna stay in a good mood, don't click the link #475.

Think they erased the post, what was it about ?

OMG...they did delete it. I still have it up. How can I save it?

It's one of the most vile diaries I've seen them post.

Here's a little taste:

Hitler Was a F**cking Piker.

Hitler threatened a relatively small area of the planet.

The Japanese alliance with Hitler was what made it a real World War.

But still, the combined threat was just world domination and life under tyranny.

Well.....and killing off 12-15 million "undesirables" by Hitler alone. With many, many more to come if he had won. Estimates say 50 million people died in WW2.

Small potatoes.

buhdydharma's diary :: ::
While George Bush has "only" killed about a million people in Iraq, the policy of US killing to attain hegemony over oil that caused the war is indicative of what is on our horizon.

But those future Resource Wars are probably just going to be pikers too. The REAL killer, the real threat is not fascism taking over America, it is Climate Crisis overtaking the world. The amount of people whose lives will be affected by unmitigated Climate Crisis is FAR higher than the number of lives Hitler affected. Of course the fact that the Tyrants/Fascists/Authoritarians/Republicants/Assho les are the ones preventing mitigation is where this comparison originates. Whatever these totalitarian bastards do to America...and anyone who has read my essays knows how horrifying I think that is, the real measure of their damage will be judged not by what they have done to America....but by what they are allowing to happen to the planet.

And how about a komment?

"i stink of blood and death... (4+ / 0-)
Recommended by:blueyedace2, tonyahky, mango, 4Freedom
....and my family has been killing people all over this planet since before i was born! you could say murder and death and destruction are in my blood! daddy was a war-criminal and he let people die in 1991 and no one in the clinton administration said a fucking peep about it! i didn't say nothin' about the 1.5 million dead iraqis from clinton's sanctions...hee eheehheee...a little payback...and, well, we will see if anyone in the next administration investigates my war-crimes, or maybe the next president...well maybe she...errr...i mean he might look the other way too!"

806 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:45:11pm
807 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:45:11pm

Will we see the banning of a WN troll, stay tuned.

808 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:45:29pm

re: #798 Charles


Would that be nuance Charles :) ?

Check Carridine's comment on De striprubriek -- he's got an interesting take upthread if you haven't seen it.

809 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:46:07pm
810 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:46:36pm

re: #796 song_and_dance_man

re: #783 MandyManners


re: #769 formercorpsman

LOL! How about this? It's all I can muster at such short notice.


Oohhh.... Ann Margret.... the song and dance woman

She and Raquel Welch were my heroes when I was a kid. Well, so was Gloria Steinem, Rosa Parks and both of my grandmothers. And, my dance instructor who made it to the Finalists at Miss America.

811 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:47:17pm

re: #792 jeppo

re: #757 DesertSage


If the Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats hate the Jews because they're Nazi sympathizers, and the Leftists hate the Jews because they're Muslim sympathizers....than who the hell is left in Europe to fight the Islamofascists?

That's all I'd like to know!

Who the hell is left over there that I can cheer for and support?


You can cheer for and support the pro-American and pro-Israeli Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats. They're the only ones who will stand up to the Islamic immigrant invasion and the whole Eurabian project.

Do they support all Americans or just the white ones?

812 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:47:24pm

re: #809 jeppo

You do know there is also a "reply" function, don't you?

/Try it

813 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:47:34pm

re: #797 BenZacharia

Since Jews aren't white I guess Jeppo wants them out from among the indigenous flemish population. Sieg Hiel!

Click your heels when you say that.

*snort*

814 snowtravel  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:47:37pm

re: #797 BenZacharia

Since Jews aren't white I guess Jeppo wants them out from among the indigenous flemish population. Sieg Hiel!

Actually, most Jews are white, but never mind.

Jeppo, really like to see you weigh in here: Yes or no to a Jew-free Belgium?

815 konservo  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:47:45pm

re: #770 jeppo

re: #723 NJDhockeyfan


re: #711 jeppo

re: #693 BenZacharia

Jeppo,
Here is a slow pitched softball right over the plate.
Yes or No.

Is WN really not so bad?


No, I'm not defending white nationalism at all. I'm defending Flemish nationalism. But since the Flemings are white (or pink, peach or tan) some people want to claim that it's really WN.

So we shouldn't question quotes like this?

"Our own people first! And yes, Vlaams Blok chooses a Flemish Flanders. And yes, Vlaams Blok chooses a white Europe! "

"Vlams Blok chooses a white Europe!" might sound harsh to North American ears, but what if he said European or indigenous instead of white? It would have the exact same meaning and probably not offend peoples politically correct sensibilities. If your searching for a deeper meaning, it's that they are anti-immigration, period.

Jeppo, read:

Filip Dewinter: ‘Yes, the Vlaams Blok (Flemish Block) chooses our own people first (slogan: Eigen Volk Eerst). And yes, the Vlaams Blok chooses a Flemish Flanders. And yes, the Vlaams Blok chooses a white Europe.’

Dewinter is talking about people, culture and race.

816 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:47:51pm

re: #781 MigueldowninMexico

re: #757 DesertSage

If the Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats hate the Jews because they're Nazi sympathizers, and the Leftists hate the Jews because they're Muslim sympathizers....than who the hell is left in Europe to fight the Islamofascists?

That's all I'd like to know!

Who the hell is left over there that I can cheer for and support?

That's your big problem, and that is my big problem and that is the big problem of the Europeans.
Who to resort to?

There's a conservative party in Spain, the Partido Popular, that I think can be trusted (by now I'm preety insecure about Europe), but in case it's a good force to support, it has influence only on Iberia. And the rest of Europe? Perhaps Zarko, Solidarnoc, I don't know.
Who indeed?

This may be the beginning of a list :

France : De Villiers (MPF)
Switzerland : Blocher (UDC / SVP)
Holland : Geert Wilders

Germany? Belgium ? Italy ? Portugal ? UK ? etc....

817 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:48:06pm

re: #801 MandyManners

Sure, they can battle each other; they probably will rumble & there's no need to do anything but watch.

818 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:48:09pm
819 Catttt  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:48:26pm

re: #789 MigueldowninMexico

re: #763 spam spam spam spam

You are completely out of line, buddy.
Catttt is one of the best lizards around.
Pick your enemies better.

:)

820 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:48:40pm

re: #805 NJDhockeyfan

Wow, anti-American green nazis!
I've seen it all now!

/Are they Gore's nazis?

821 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:49:01pm

Charles,

The arty that goes with it.

822 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:49:05pm

re: #803 Mich-again

re: #771 MandyManners


If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything. ~Mark Twain

Kind of works in reverse too. Al Gore's internet remembers just about everything, so you better tell the truth or you'll be exposed as a liar.

As my Nanny useta' say, whatever goes over the sow's back, comes under her belly.

823 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:49:26pm

re: #809 jeppo

When Filip was quoted as saying that in 94 he wasn't referring to illegals.

824 swamprat  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:49:27pm

re: #775 Catttt

Most people condemn the Nazis - you condemned a modern country that tosses neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers in prison.

I think you're very tired, catttt. Germany today is bending over backwards to keep their old ways at bay. There are still jews in Germany. Those Jews are Germans also.

825 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:49:40pm

Another image from that same PDF file linked above:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

The judge on the cover has the Masonic compass and ruler -- a frequent symbol of conspiracists and ... uh ... Nazis:

[Link: www.ushmm.org...]

And a sticker that says "Black is beautiful," a knock against him being a leftist (and therefore "pro-black").

And what looks like a line through someone giving a Nazi salute -- so he's anti-Nazi too!

826 WriterMom  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:49:53pm

re: #794 snowtravel

I can't follow your writing style. I'll try to clarify. Do you think it's a big deal that attempts were made to honour dead Nazis with wreaths and flowers, or it's a non-issue? And what are "chocolate attacks"?

827 experiencedtraveller  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:50:16pm

re: #805 NJDhockeyfan

Here we go! History talk!

The Japanese alliance with Hitler was what made it a real World War.

Hitler (foolishly) jumped into war with America after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Any 'alliance' between Germany and Japan before December 7, 1942 was not substantive.

/Ranger is OT. Rgds.

828 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:50:37pm

re: #822 MandyManners

In "Life on the Mississippi" Twain describes a river pilot who could never forget anything, and Twain said that such a memory was a great misfortune.

829 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:51:30pm
830 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:51:43pm

MM,

I tried it, not very satisfying in slippers. Jeppo, can I borrow yer jack boots?

831 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:52:28pm

re: #822 MandyManners

As my Nanny useta' say, whatever goes over the sow's back, comes under her belly.

Whruh? I don't get that nuanced farmer wisdom.

832 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:52:43pm

re: #817 Ojoe

re: #801 MandyManners

Sure, they can battle each other; they probably will rumble & there's no need to do anything but watch.

Knowing what I do about the Old-Time Nazis, I can see them making a pact after a while in order to go against Israel in order to give the Muslims just a tiny bit of land.

How does one say "Lebensraum" (?) in Arabic/Farsi?

833 NY Nana  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:52:53pm

re: #775 Catttt

I can't decide whether you're nuts, a moby, or drunk.

All three?

834 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:53:00pm

re: #805 NJDhockeyfan

re: #787 Ashamed to be Dutch

re: #762 NJDhockeyfan


re: #746 MandyManners


If you wanna stay in a good mood, don't click the link #475.


Think they erased the post, what was it about ?

OMG...they did delete it. I still have it up. How can I save it?

It's one of the most vile diaries I've seen them post.

Here's a little taste:

Hitler Was a F**cking Piker.

Hitler threatened a relatively small area of the planet.

The Japanese alliance with Hitler was what made it a real World War.

But still, the combined threat was just world domination and life under tyranny.

Well.....and killing off 12-15 million "undesirables" by Hitler alone. With many, many more to come if he had won. Estimates say 50 million people died in WW2.

Small potatoes.

buhdydharma's diary :: ::
While George Bush has "only" killed about a million people in Iraq, the policy of US killing to attain hegemony over oil that caused the war is indicative of what is on our horizon.

But those future Resource Wars are probably just going to be pikers too. The REAL killer, the real threat is not fascism taking over America, it is Climate Crisis overtaking the world. The amount of people whose lives will be affected by unmitigated Climate Crisis is FAR higher than the number of lives Hitler affected. Of course the fact that the Tyrants/Fascists/Authoritarians/Republic ants/Assholes are the ones preventing mitigation is where this comparison originates. Whatever these totalitarian bastards do to America...and anyone who has read my essays knows how horrifying I think that is, the real measure of their damage will be judged not by what they have done to America....but by what they are allowing to happen to the planet.

And how about a komment?

"i stink of blood and death... (4+ / 0-)
Recommended by:blueyedace2, tonyahky, mango, 4Freedom
....and my family has been killing people all over this planet since before i was born! you could say murder and death and destruction are in my blood! daddy was a war-criminal and he let people die in 1991 and no one in the clinton administration said a fucking peep about it! i didn't say nothin' about the 1.5 million dead iraqis from clinton's sanctions...hee eheehheee...a little payback...and, well, we will see if anyone in the next administration investigates my war-crimes, or maybe the next president...well maybe she...errr...i mean he might look the other way too!"

Screen shots, don't reload the page ! Only scroll up down !

On Mac : cmd + shift - 4 (and select the area you want a shot)
On PC ... no idea...

Make multiple shots if page is tho long, I'll stitch them together.

835 itellu3times  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:53:08pm

re: #753 song_and_dance_man
Well, thanks but you are too kind, #738 hazzyday had pretty much the same thought and posted nearly three minutes earlier (which I didn't see until after, honest!), though I dressed it up a bit, mebbe too much. Gotta be quick around here ... esp with the lame stuff, however humorous.

836 DesertSage  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:53:58pm

re: #792 jeppo

re: #757 DesertSage

If the Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats hate the Jews because they're Nazi sympathizers, and the Leftists hate the Jews because they're Muslim sympathizers....than who the hell is left in Europe to fight the Islamofascists?

That's all I'd like to know!

Who the hell is left over there that I can cheer for and support?

You can cheer for and support the pro-American and pro-Israeli Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats. They're the only ones who will stand up to the Islamic immigrant invasion and the whole Eurabian project.

Look, I don't know you. You seem to be getting beat up pretty good here, but to your credit, you seem to be hanging in there.

I have relatives (albeit distant relatives who I never knew) that never made it out of Poland in the 30's and 40's...and were never heard from again.
I will not---under any circumstances---support any party which is aligned with Nazis.

I will support European political parties who want to stand up and fight Islamofascism. I just can't seem to find any who don't also ascribe to the white supremacist ideology.

Tell me why the Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats are worthy of my support. Remember, I won't support white supremacists or Nazi supporters.
If you can explain it to me in a concise and polite manner, I promise that I won't pile on the slam fest that everyone else is doing.

837 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:54:08pm

re: #827 experiencedtraveller

re: #805 NJDhockeyfan

Here we go! History talk!


The Japanese alliance with Hitler was what made it a real World War.

Hitler (foolishly) jumped into war with America after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Any 'alliance' between Germany and Japan before December 7, 1942 was not substantive.

/Ranger is OT. Rgds.

Here's more:

Whatever you want to call Bushco et al...(and I STILL can't believe some people think that the debate should be over what to CALL what they are doing!)...their policies have a very good shot at overtaking Hitler as far as damage caused.

Psychotic fools over there.

838 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:54:12pm

re: #828 Ojoe

re: #822 MandyManners

In "Life on the Mississippi" Twain describes a river pilot who could never forget anything, and Twain said that such a memory was a great misfortune.

There are some things in life I'd prefer not to dwell upon but, they taught me much about myself. (Conscience can suck at times.)

839 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:54:12pm

Ashamed #816
Thanks for the contribution!
Perhaps it is high time for lizards to start delving and finding which worthy allies we have in Europe.
I know some lizards have a complete desdain for the Old Continent, but I'm sure there can be a lot of good allies over there in our [Link: WWW...] Wide War defending Freedom.
;)

840 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:55:04pm

re: #829 jeppo
So why are they black, since most of the Turk and Morroccan immigrants are just swarthy. Let me see -- since I might be missing some nuance here....


Hrmm.. I do remember seeing a video with someone at a Dewinter campaign meeting in a pub throwing a chair at a passing Turk and yelling the M word at him...

"Macaque!"

841 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:55:06pm

re: #831 Mich-again

re: #822 MandyManners

As my Nanny useta' say, whatever goes over the sow's back, comes under her belly.

Whruh? I don't get that nuanced farmer wisdom.

Your sins will find you out.

842 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:55:19pm
843 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:55:27pm
844 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:55:28pm

re: #832 MandyManners

Now THAT would be bad.

845 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:55:42pm

re: #825 Charles

And what looks like a line through someone giving a Nazi salute -- so he's anti-Nazi too!

Wow!

/I doubt it's enough for jeppo

846 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:55:47pm

re: #825 Charles

The judge on the cover has the Masonic compass and ruler -- a frequent symbol of conspiracists and ... uh ... Nazis!

Please don't go there.

/my dad was 33 1/3 degree and he was okay

847 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:55:57pm

I'm caught up. BRB.

848 snowtravel  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:56:02pm

re: #825 Charles

Another image from that same PDF file linked above:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

The judge on the cover has the Masonic compass and ruler -- a frequent symbol of conspiracists and ... uh ... Nazis:

Don't you mean a symbol associated with those persecuted by the Nazis, i.e. Freemasons and Jews?

849 zombie  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:56:23pm

re: #825 Charles

And what looks like a line through someone giving a Nazi salute -- so he's anti-Nazi too!

I just made a quickie screenshot of that sticker up-close: here it is:

Sticker on side of Judge's box.

Assessments?

850 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:57:12pm
851 JHW  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:57:37pm

re: #816 Ashamed to be Dutch

That European National Front outfit I linked in #463 surprised me a bit, this is more widespread than I thought. Russia, Romania, Italy , Spain, etc.( you can find out a lot by going through their archives).

Wasn`t that Zhironovsky (sp?) guy in Russia back in the Yeltsin days some kind of Neo-Nazi?

852 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:58:01pm

re: #836 DesertSage

He's just going to say vb & sd are not any of those things and not give you one shred of evidence to support his claim.

853 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:58:10pm

So the islamic overlords are going to invade driving funny little cars in complex patterns and wearing goofy hats? Who knew?

854 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:58:56pm

re: #841 MandyManners

Your sins will find you out.

Now I get it..

855 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:58:56pm
856 swamprat  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 8:59:15pm

re: #673 spam spam spam spam

re: #824 swamprat sorry , posted to the wrong one

857 Charles  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 9:00:08pm

re: #849 zombie

re: #825 Charles

And what looks like a line through someone giving a Nazi salute -- so he's anti-Nazi too!
I just made a quickie screenshot of that sticker up-close: here it is:

Sticker on side of Judge's box.

Assessments?

It says "Stop Vlaams Belang" with a Nazi giving a fascist salute in a circle with a line through it.

858 BenZacharia  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 9:00:21pm

re: #842 jeppo

I'm adamantly opposed to Nazism, fascism, white supremacy and anti-Semitism.

You forgot to add white (or for that matter fill in the blank) nationalism, how come?

859 Thanos  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 9:00:21pm

re: #849 zombie

re: #825 Charles


And what looks like a line through someone giving a Nazi salute -- so he's anti-Nazi too!

I just made a quickie screenshot of that sticker up-close: here it is:

Sticker on side of Judge's box.

Assessments?


You can find similar posters in the VB magazines for youth, and their regular magazines.

860 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 9:00:27pm

re: #855 jeppo

No- thank you!

/excessive quote function sucks!

861 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 9:00:28pm

re: #839 MigueldowninMexico

Sorry false link on that post. Didn't realize that writing the Holy Triple W will create a hyperlink lol.

862 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 9:00:28pm

re: #849 zombie

I say its a NO symbol of a brownshirt doing the Zieg Hail.

863 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Nov 3, 2007 9:00:29pm