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A Nuanced Look at Brussels Journal's Latest Claim

Sat, Nov 3, 2007 at 3:10:41 pm PDT

At The Brussels Journal, Paul Belien tries to obfuscate the issue of Pim Fortuyn’s rejection of Filip DeWinter and the Vlaams Belang, with a little selective quoting from an article at Fortuyn’s web site: Pim Fortuyn on Filip Dewinter.

Here’s the article at the Fortuyn web site, in Dutch. It’s about a visit to the Netherlands by Filip DeWinter. As DeWinter was just beginning an interview, a leftist moonbat jumped out of the crowd and smeared chocolate on him.

I presume that’s a slur against the Belgians, but since I’m a knuckle dragging American neo-con, what do I know? The incident is similar to those well-known attacks at US institutes of higher learning against Ann Coulter and David Horowitz, except that in this country the leftists usually use pies, which is probably a slur against Soupy Sales.

Pim Fortuyn is on record as denouncing the attack on DeWinter.

Belien apparently believes he really zinged me with this one, and ends his post with the pointed question:

Will Little Green Footballs correct its disinformation?

Simple answer: No. To make a simple answer more nuanced, there’s nothing to correct.

The article quoted by Belien doesn’t refute the claim I made. Pim Fortuyn was not a supporter of Vlaams Blok/Belang. According to this Wikipedia entry:

Politicians, like prime minister Guy Verhofstadt (VLD), Karel De Gucht (VLD) and the late Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn have called the Vlaams Belang or its leaders “fascist.”

Further, the entry for Pim Fortuyn states, in a paragraph about his immigration views:

Fortuyn was the centre of controversy for his views on Islam and his anti-immigration positions. He called Islam “a backward culture” and said that if it were legally possible he would close the borders for Muslim immigrants.[3] He was labelled a far-right populist by his opponents and in the media, but he fiercely rejected this label [4] and distanced himself clearly from far-right politicians such as Filip Dewinter of Vlaams Blok (now Vlaams Belang), Jörg Haider of Austria or Jean-Marie Le Pen of France whenever compared to them.

There’s more information on the split between the Vlaams Belang and the party to which Pim Fortuyn belonged, LPF, at the List Pim Fortuyn entry:

In August 2004, the eight Members of Parliament for the LPF separated themselves from the rest of the party, and continued on their own. They wanted to keep LPF as their party’s name, but obviously the “other” LPF refused to share their name. The chaos continued when in 2005, member of parliament Hilbrand Nawijn started another controversy because of his association with Filip Dewinter, leader of the Belgian Vlaams Belang. This led to his separation of the fraction, forming his own one man party Group Nawijn. Nawijn is seen as a non-figure in Dutch politics, and polled for no seats in parliament. The connection with the Vlaams Belang is over; he said there are no structural connections planned. The last polls before the 2006 General Election correctly predicted the LPF not gathering enough votes to reach the Tweede Kamer.

(I know some will say that I’ve criticized Wikipedia—which I have—but for entries that are several years old, it’s a good bet that the information has been vetted and verified pretty well.)

Back to Belien’s post; he quotes Fortuyn as denouncing the chocolate smear attack on DeWinter, which Fortuyn definitely did. And I’ll join Pim Fortuyn in that; I also denounce that kind of attack on Filip DeWinter. It’s no secret that LGF doesn’t support attacks like that on either side of the Great Political Divide—or the Atlantic Ocean.

But Austrian LGF reader zuckerlilly accurately notes the salient point in this:

Not with a single word defends Mr. Fortuyn the ideology of Filip deWinter. Fortuyn is defending democracy and accuses the government, the police and all the persons in charge to be blind on the left eye, to accept violence if it is directed against non-lefties by lefties and demands protections also for those persons with whom they don’t agree. Even if you don’t like Filip deWinter it is not acceptable that he is physically assaulted and his car destroyed by lefties without intervention of the police.

Again: with not a single word does Pym Fortuyn defend the ideology of deWinter and the Vlaams Bloc.

Maybe you need to be a knuckle dragging neo-con (American or Austrian version) to grasp the nuance in this, but it’s obvious to me that denouncing a physical attack on Filip DeWinter is a long way from supporting Filip DeWinter’s ideology or party.

As I wrote above, I denounce the attack too, in the strongest terms possible. But I don’t think anyone’s going to mistake me for a Vlaams Belang supporter at this point.

Will Paul Belien retract his misleading post?

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1 Sharmuta  11/03/07 3:13:38 pm reply quote 5
Will Paul Belien retract his misleading post?

I predict he'll retract this sometime between now and never.

2 Ojoe  11/03/07 3:15:59 pm reply quote 0

This makes my head spin & I'd rather go backpacking or join the Trappists.

3 Charles  11/03/07 3:18:34 pm reply quote 4

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4 Ojoe  11/03/07 3:18:37 pm reply quote 0

nuance schmuance

5 basnata  11/03/07 3:18:47 pm reply quote -2

hey, God bless everybody apart from islamoscum. I'm no axe-grinder. but I do think it's funny now that I was slammed earlier for referencing wikipedia

6 marwan's daughter  11/03/07 3:18:50 pm reply quote 2

Chocolate Rain
Fascists getting smeared and smeared again
Chocolate Rain
That's one time I don't mind the stain.

Okay, smearing chocolate goes too far, but Filip Dewinter and other fascists deserve to be ostracized.

7 Ojoe  11/03/07 3:20:03 pm reply quote 0

Enjoy Charles; I'm drinking coffee & working at the drafting board.

Beer tomorrow & an extra hour to enjoy it.

8 basnata  11/03/07 3:22:06 pm reply quote -4

lol @ -1 kiddies. feel better?

9 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  11/03/07 3:26:06 pm 5
10 Sharmuta  11/03/07 3:26:12 pm reply quote 7

I cannot condone these [far-left] activists = I support vlaams blok/belang.

That is really an extraordinary conclusion to leap to, and frankly it's reminiscent of the tactics employed by the ideological side they're accusing Charles of belonging to. Keep digging paul- you're bound to hit China at some point.

11 Dead Sea Squirrel  11/03/07 3:27:37 pm reply quote 0

If this thing is going to be dragged out, I suppose someone will have to track down Fortuyn's "fascist" comment to the source

12 mean Gene  11/03/07 3:27:44 pm reply quote 0

I am happily astonished at how quickly so amny lizards and Charles (of course) came up to speed on this issue.
What we're seeing in Europe now we might very likely experience a few years from now in the USA.
I had felt in the past that islamists would stick to the non-violent stages of islamization of the well-armed USA but that's not necessarily true.
And, anyway, sides are going to be lining up sooner rather than later.

13 Yank in the EU  11/03/07 3:29:28 pm reply quote 0

re: #3 Charles

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14 zygazint  11/03/07 3:30:37 pm reply quote 3

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15 whattheheck  11/03/07 3:31:54 pm reply quote 1

Neocon the new N word.

16 Thanos  11/03/07 3:33:54 pm reply quote 2

re: #11 Dead Sea Squirrel

If this thing is going to be dragged out, I suppose someone will have to track down Fortuyn's "fascist" comment to the source

When we do that and present incontrovertable evidence they ignore it or change the subject.

17 Render  11/03/07 3:34:05 pm reply quote 7

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

So when Paul Belien says this to Robert Spencer;

"The Vlaams Blok, predecessor to the Vlaams Belang, was founded in 1977 by Karel Dillen (1925-2007). Mr Dillen came from a non-political background. His father, an Antwerp labourer, abandoned his wife and their two sons when when Dillen was still a baby. He was raised by his mother. Neither he, nor his brother nor his mother were involved in any political activities at all during the war, let alone that they belonged to pro-Nazi and collaborationist groups."

Mr. Belien is deliberately leaving out highly relevant information about Karel Dillen's long history with post-war nazi's, (including Leon DeGrelle), as well as failing to mention the undisputed fact that Karel Dillen translated a Holocaust denial book in 1951, and remained friends with it's author, (Maurice Bardeche), until the authors death in 1998.

This is factual information that Karel Dillen himself does not deny.

LYING
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18 Truumax  11/03/07 3:34:31 pm reply quote 0

Neo-con

/Drink!

19 markie  11/03/07 3:34:32 pm reply quote 0

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20 wahabicorridor  11/03/07 3:35:51 pm reply quote 0

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21 Thanos  11/03/07 3:37:33 pm reply quote 0

re: #12 mean Gene

I am happily astonished at how quickly so amny lizards and Charles (of course) came up to speed on this issue.
What we're seeing in Europe now we might very likely experience a few years from now in the USA.
I had felt in the past that islamists would stick to the non-violent stages of islamization of the well-armed USA but that's not necessarily true.
And, anyway, sides are going to be lining up sooner rather than later.

We are seeing it in America, in tracking this through a series of direct links from VB or SD sites to "subsidiaries" to White power sites, I've ended up at sites extolling the virtues of Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul several times.

22 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  11/03/07 3:37:46 pm 0
23 Bill Amos  11/03/07 3:38:11 pm reply quote 0

Fox news has been reading LGF again

[Link: cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com...]

24 Yank in the EU  11/03/07 3:38:32 pm reply quote 0

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25 debutaunt  11/03/07 3:38:48 pm reply quote 0

Completely true but not truly complete. Gee, I hadn't noticed.

26 BillLangston  11/03/07 3:39:44 pm reply quote 0

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27 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 3:40:32 pm reply quote 1

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28 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  11/03/07 3:40:59 pm 0
29 Dead Sea Squirrel  11/03/07 3:41:06 pm reply quote 4

Frankly, DeWinter lost me when he said that it was "wrong" for the earlier incarnation of his movement to collaborate with the Nazis because the Nazis didn't come through with the expected support for their nationalist project. That chills the blood when you think about it.

30 wahabicorridor  11/03/07 3:41:28 pm reply quote 3

re: #27 Killgore Trout

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31 abolitionist  11/03/07 3:41:57 pm reply quote 1

Quote by zuckerlilly originally had an embedded link (Dutch language):
Not with a single word defends Mr. Fortuyn the ideology of Filip deWinter.

32 Thanos  11/03/07 3:42:25 pm reply quote 1

Dillen's son, Koenraad "Koen" Dillen also is in EU parliament, and is on the "Identity, Tradition, Sovereignty" group along with Le Pen, Mussolini, and others including a Bulgarian known for sending emails insulting Rom MEU's with statements like "you can buy a better looking 12 year old Gypsy in my country cheap."

33 wahabicorridor  11/03/07 3:42:29 pm reply quote 1

re: #28 song_and_dance_man

re: #20 wahabicorridor


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34 debutaunt  11/03/07 3:42:33 pm reply quote 0

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35 Sharmuta  11/03/07 3:44:30 pm reply quote 0

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36 Charles  11/03/07 3:44:36 pm reply quote 1

re: #31 abolitionist

Quote by zuckerlilly originally had an embedded link (Dutch language):
Not with a single word defends Mr. Fortuyn the ideology of Filip deWinter.

That's the same link I have near the top of my post. Zuckerlilly's comments are hers, they're not a quote from the article -- I wanted that to be clear.

37 Sharmuta  11/03/07 3:45:16 pm reply quote 0

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38 Charles  11/03/07 3:45:28 pm reply quote 6

You mean .. there's more than one Pamela?

Come on. Impossible.

39 Yanqui in Europe  11/03/07 3:45:44 pm reply quote 0

As far as Belgian beers go, I prefer the triples such as Chimay White (AKA Cinc Cents) myself.

But if you want a really good dark abbey ale, Charles, try St. Bernardus Prior 8.

40 Thanos  11/03/07 3:46:19 pm reply quote 4

I really wish Paul Belien and co. would get over this - I'd much rather be researching CAIR and ISNA than them.

41 wahabicorridor  11/03/07 3:46:44 pm reply quote 0

re: #38 Charles

You mean .. there's more than one Pamela?

Come on. Impossible.


Well, um, I'm just the most important one.

Now back on topic oh scaly ones!

42 jcm  11/03/07 3:47:10 pm reply quote 0

OT

A classic game just wrapped up.
Navy in the 3rd OT over UND.

43 Charles  11/03/07 3:47:23 pm reply quote 2

There's a really good US brewer that does it Belgian style: Fat Tire Ale.

44 wahabicorridor  11/03/07 3:48:03 pm reply quote 0

From a Sharmuta post on an earlier thread - am I the last one to know that Robert Spencer had de-linked Brussels Journal from his blog?

45 jcm  11/03/07 3:48:47 pm reply quote 0

re: #43 Charles

There's a really good US brewer that does it Belgian style: Fat Tire Ale.

Their Trippel, Abbey and 1554 is good too,

46 Yanqui in Europe  11/03/07 3:49:19 pm reply quote 1

#29 Dead Sea Squirrel

Yes, that was in the interview Charles posted a link to a while ago.

"It would have been OK to collaborate with the Nazis if they had helped us gain independence, but they didn't, so it was a mistake".

Not a quote from Dewinter, but that's certainly the implication. Chilling is the right word.

47 hazzyday  11/03/07 3:49:36 pm reply quote 0

From "Don't know much about History" -- Why was Kansas "Bloody" pg. 155 just after noting the Republican Party forms itself on May 9th, 1854 as a mostly anti slavery party for mostly economic and political reasons.

"The betrayal of the Missouri Compromise just about killed the Democratic Party in the north. With the opposition to the Kansas-Nebraska Ast as their cornerstone, the Republican Party mushroomed. Another new party also profited from Douglas's bargain with the South. Born of fierce opposition to the waves of immigrants entering America, they were called Nativitists, and an ugly racist streak lay beneath their dislike of foreigners and Catholics. Initially a secret society they preached the twin virtues or white Protestantism and defensive nationalism, they were called the "Know-Nothings" because they always answered " I don't know" when asked about their party. Their message struck home in the mid 1850's and they became a powerful splinter party force, capturing a substantial number of Congressional seats and state legislatures."

Where are they today? I don't know.

48 Yank in the EU  11/03/07 3:49:52 pm reply quote 0

re: #39 Yanqui in Europe

As far as Belgian beers go, I prefer the triples such as Chimay White (AKA Cinc Cents) myself.

But if you want a really good dark abbey ale, Charles, try St. Bernardus Prior 8.

In the summertime and its hot, there is no better beverage on planet Earth than a Hoegaarden.

/and if anybody out there never had one, find one today!

49 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  11/03/07 3:49:54 pm 0
50 Sharmuta  11/03/07 3:50:57 pm reply quote 0

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51 Yank in the EU  11/03/07 3:51:33 pm reply quote 0

re: #50 Sharmuta

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52 Killian Bundy  11/03/07 3:51:42 pm reply quote 0

Who will be the first to step up and defend Paul Belien?

/shall we bet on the comment #?

53 jeppo  11/03/07 3:51:53 pm reply quote -10

Oh, now I get it:

Pim Fortuyn=good fascist
Filip Dewinter=bad fascist

54 Render  11/03/07 3:51:54 pm reply quote 0

Had a Watou Tripel a couple of weeks ago.

It did not go well with my chili.

AT
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55 wahabicorridor  11/03/07 3:52:53 pm reply quote 0

re: #52 Killian Bundy

Who will be the first to step up and defend Paul Belien?

/shall we bet on the comment #?


Ok, you rigged that with jeppo, didn't you?

Yes, you did, fess up.

56 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  11/03/07 3:53:01 pm 0
57 Charles  11/03/07 3:53:12 pm reply quote 0

re: #52 Killian Bundy

Who will be the first to step up and defend Paul Belien?

/shall we bet on the comment #?

Too late to bet!

58 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 3:53:54 pm reply quote 1

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59 Mike in Georgia  11/03/07 3:54:47 pm reply quote 0

I am having a perfectly chilled Caffeine Free Diet Coke.
Eat your hearts out.

60 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 3:54:59 pm reply quote 0

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61 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  11/03/07 3:55:22 pm 0
62 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 3:55:39 pm reply quote 1

I stand corrected.

63 Eowyn2  11/03/07 3:56:48 pm reply quote 0

Okay, everyone together

I am Pamela

64 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  11/03/07 3:57:07 pm 0
65 Sharmuta  11/03/07 3:57:25 pm reply quote 2

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66 wahabicorridor  11/03/07 3:57:40 pm reply quote 0

re: #63 Eowyn2

Okay, everyone together

I am Pamela


I think this is becoming a drinking thread. Lemme go get the bottle. Back in a flash.

67 Yanqui in Europe  11/03/07 3:58:23 pm reply quote 0

#29 Dead Sea Squirrel

#46 Yanqui in Europe (reacting to self)

So the question really is: do we want an ally who implies he would have accepted the Nazis as allies if it would have advanced his nationalist project? Two alliances away from a potential Nazi alliance is perhaps a bit too close. To put it mildly.

Re Belgian-style ales. I'll have to give Fat Tire a try next time I'm in the States.

68 Racer X  11/03/07 3:58:37 pm reply quote 0

Mmmmmm...Fat Tire.

I have a few bottles left in my fridge now. Will go well with a nice steak later.

69 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  11/03/07 3:59:06 pm 0
70 Charles  11/03/07 3:59:10 pm reply quote 1

re: #58 Killgore Trout

re: #35 Sharmuta

I noticed that Gates o' Veinna put up a big post about the conference: A Report on the Counterjihad Summit

Much of the video was supplied by Pamela but she hasn't posted it on her site. She might be distancing herself from the whole ordeal, as she should.
I also noticed how they whitewashed the Bios of the more unsavoury attendants: Biographies

Belgium: Filip Dewinter

Dewinter is the most eminent person of the political party Vlaams Belang (The Flemish Interest), the Flemish-secessionist party. In November 1987 he was elected for the first time in the Belgian Parliament. Under Dewinter’s leadership, the parliamentary faction continued to grow, notably in 1991, when the Vlaams Belang, from a small party, grew to about 12% of the voters. This growth has continued ever since, making the party the biggest in Flanders according to polls. In 1995 Dewinter became a member in the Antwerp City Council. When the Flemish Parliament and the Belgian Parliament got elected separately in 1995, he chose to be a member of the Flemish Parliament en became faction leader of the group Vlaams Belang. In 2004 the Vlaams Belang faction in de Flemish parliament got 24% of the voters en became the biggest political faction in the whole Flemish Parliament.Dewinter was re-elected ever since.

No mention of his early roots with Jongerenfront and no mention of Vlaams Block being outlawed just a few years ago.

Wow, that's classic. No mention of any controversy whatsoever.

71 Eowyn2  11/03/07 4:00:12 pm reply quote 0

re: #59 Mike in Georgia

I am having a perfectly chilled Caffeine Free Diet Coke.
Eat your hearts out.


what's the point? Thats like having a caffeine free, calorie free hershey bar.

72 Charles  11/03/07 4:00:36 pm reply quote 3

Same with the Sweden Democrats bio. No mention of any controversy at all.

73 Eowyn2  11/03/07 4:00:37 pm reply quote 0

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74 reine.de.tout  11/03/07 4:00:38 pm reply quote 0

re: #71 Eowyn2

re: #59 Mike in Georgia


I am having a perfectly chilled Caffeine Free Diet Coke.
Eat your hearts out.

what's the point? Thats like having a caffeine free, calorie free hershey bar.


No point. He's drinking nothing.

75 vxbush  11/03/07 4:00:44 pm reply quote 0

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76 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 4:01:20 pm reply quote 1

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77 Yanqui in Europe  11/03/07 4:02:59 pm reply quote 0

#66 wahabicorridor

Did you say "drinking thread"? Why, what a good idea. Getting a bottle of Rochefort 10...

Why are none of the great Belgian beers from Flanders?

78 Yank in the EU  11/03/07 4:03:26 pm reply quote 0

Man, I think I'm going over to the Night Shop for a Hoegaarden and a Chimay Blue.

79 Sharmuta  11/03/07 4:04:05 pm reply quote 0

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80 ContraJihadi  11/03/07 4:04:48 pm reply quote 0
...it’s obvious to me that denouncing a physical attack on Filip DeWinter is a long way from supporting Filip DeWinter’s ideology.

Brussels Journal continually promotes this kind of confusion, intimating that because A does not believe B should be physically attacked, A supports B's position. Belien himself is either very confused or very mendacious.

And despite all the protestations on how VB has only incidentally appeared with hard core anti-Semites like those on the Political Cesspool, Belien hasn't even tried to respond to the concern about the Odin's Cross statuette in the DeWinter video and why it was so incongruously (compared to the rest of the narrative) emphasized.

It is possible that the members of VB will suppress their more extreme positions for a time, while the fight against the jihadis in Europe remains the most important fight to finish, but I would not trust them afterward if ever that fight should be won.

81 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  11/03/07 4:04:51 pm 2
82 ec marm  11/03/07 4:04:55 pm reply quote 0

Ich bin ein amerikanisches Knöchelschleppen gewesen neo-con.

83 wahabicorridor  11/03/07 4:05:52 pm reply quote 0

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84 Charles  11/03/07 4:05:58 pm reply quote 0

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85 Catttt  11/03/07 4:06:17 pm reply quote 1

OT Michael Yon was just on CNN - talking good news - mood way up everywhere he goes/ deaths down.

86 ec marm  11/03/07 4:06:31 pm reply quote 0

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87 Yanqui in Europe  11/03/07 4:07:20 pm reply quote 0

The Flemish are known for their Sour Ales, partly fermented with micro-organisms other than yeast--in particular lactobacillus, which gives them something like the flavor or sour milk. About as appetizing as the VB.

Here's to the Trappist brothers, Charles... *raises glass*

88 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  11/03/07 4:08:19 pm 0
89 NJDhockeyfan  11/03/07 4:08:51 pm reply quote 0

re: #85 Catttt

OT Michael Yon was just on CNN - talking good news - mood way up everywhere he goes/ deaths down.

And CNN let him talk?

WOW

90 Charles  11/03/07 4:09:02 pm reply quote 2

So my German's not great ... is...

ein amerikanisches Knöchelschleppen gewesen neo-con

...proper grammar for a rotating headline?

91 hazzyday  11/03/07 4:09:20 pm reply quote 2

The Atlas post I found interesting today is the raking of CAIR for attempting to gain legitimacy by honoring muslim WWII vets. She offers them no quarter going all the way back to WWII. They are bad today because they were bad then and their spots haven't changed. But apparently not so with the people behind VB, Before 1996 they were bad, but since they were good, so they are ok now. What has removed their spots? Just because they have developed a common cause with her? That doesn't mean any of these spots have changed. What's her fallback plan if it all goes sour. Being cute is not going to help.

The main thing for me is the Celtic cross monolithic and central to all the books behind it. It's an important spiritual and mundane rallying point to him. A guiding light so to speak. I will have to see him denouce that cross as a neo nazi symbol, tell me where he bought it or who gifted it to him. And he probably has to convert to Judaism before I re open the door that is being shut to him.

And we see some of the raw animalistic feedback coming back at LGF from people agreeing with VB and disagreeing with LGF. Seems to state who they really are.

If VB has a rally and there are neo nazi flags present and known questionable characters they need to use their mob force to remove those elements from the rally.

and in my further reading of this event I find the Belgian Law and Judicial authorities to be just as reprehensible as people here find VB. When I read their actions, all I think is that someday Amercian soldiers are going to have to fix what the leftist dolts in Belgium have wrought. I never ever entertained we would go back to Europe ever as a military force until sometime earlier this week.

GI Joe a solider for Brussels? Yah that is a laugh. Talk about your bad symbolisms.

92 thecapitalist  11/03/07 4:09:29 pm reply quote 0

"Again: with not a single word does Pym Fortuyn defend the ideology of deWinter and the Vlaams Bloc."
This sounds like a straw man argument to me.

93 Killian Bundy  11/03/07 4:10:12 pm reply quote 1

Well, this is anticlimactic.

/maybe open registration would help

94 SirRobert  11/03/07 4:10:51 pm reply quote 0

Can someone nutshell this argument for me? I am so confused.

I get the feeling that 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' is hooking up some groups 'watching islamofascism' with 'white separatist' groups. Kind of like how the progressive/socialist movement is hooking up with the islamicfascist sympathizers. (a joint venture which I cannot wrap my brain around in the least)

Is it a 'big tent' vs 'little tent' argument?

95 Truumax  11/03/07 4:10:51 pm reply quote 0

Man, I could really go for a beer right now, but I don't have any.

Hmm, whisky or gin? ...Whisky or gin?

...

Whisky!

96 Catttt  11/03/07 4:11:04 pm reply quote 0

re: #89 NJDhockeyfan

re: #85 Catttt


OT Michael Yon was just on CNN - talking good news - mood way up everywhere he goes/ deaths down.

And CNN let him talk?

WOW

Not only that, they are backing it up with a rather long story full of facts that support him. They still are being cautious, but on the optimistic side. Example - "This is real progress."

Pinch me. :)

97 wahabicorridor  11/03/07 4:11:04 pm reply quote 4

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98 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  11/03/07 4:12:22 pm 0
99 StinkHammer  11/03/07 4:12:32 pm reply quote 0
The incident is similar to those well-known attacks at US institutes of higher learning against Anne Coulter and David Horowitz, except that in this country the leftists usually use pies, which is probably a slur against Soupy Sales.

Wow, a Soupy Sales reference! That's practically Dennis Miller-esque.

100 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 4:13:02 pm reply quote 7

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101 wahabicorridor  11/03/07 4:13:37 pm reply quote 0

re: #90 Charles

So my German's not great ... is...


ein amerikanisches Kn?lschleppen gewesen neo-con

...proper grammar for a rotating headline?

No. To begin with, as I believe ec marm is female, it should be eine. And no 's' on 'Americanische'.

What was this 'Kn?lschleppen' supposed to be ec marm?

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109 Truumax  11/03/07 4:16:43 pm reply quote 0

Laphroaig single malt scotch

/Hella yeah

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OT Michael Yon was just on CNN - talking good news - mood way up everywhere he goes/ deaths down.

And CNN let him talk?
WOW

Not only that, they are backing it up with a rather long story full of facts that support him. They still are being cautious, but on the optimistic side. Example - "This is real progress."

Pinch me. :)


That is fair grounds for a flying pig award.

That report must've hurt alot for those at CNN.

111 Red Sock  11/03/07 4:16:51 pm reply quote 6

I don't get it.

Why is Belien coming up with this article by Pim Fortuyn? Like everyone with a sense of democracy and freedom, Pim Fortuyn ridiculed the attack on deWinter and the justice department/Dutch public television doing nothing to stop it or prevent it in the future. Every sane person would denounce such a physical attack.

But nowhere in Fortuyn's article (I can read Dutch) he is saying he does agree with Filip deWinter. It is well known that Fortuyn didn't like the Vlaams Blok/Belang party and didn't want anything to do with it!

So what does Belien want to say with this? If he suggests that Fortuyn has written something in support of Vlaams Belang in his column, he is wrong, he is lying! Fortuyn did only say that it's wrong to attack him, that's all.

It says quite much that Belien has to lie to make his case... his article about the Fortuyn column is rubbish!

112 storagemanager  11/03/07 4:17:57 pm reply quote 2

Pam writes about Muslim Nazi's...and ignores the current crop in Europe...amazing.

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Same with the Sweden Democrats bio. No mention of any controversy at all.

Charles, why be surprised?
Marxist-reviosonist history is based on scrubbing the past, erasing all mention of anything unsavory.
Just remember, the internet acts as a persistant memory machine.
It takes the place of the old classic historian who could footnote all his points.

116 storagemanager  11/03/07 4:20:08 pm reply quote 0
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf imposed emergency rule in an attempt to reassert his flagging authority against challenges from Islamist militants, a hostile judiciary and political rivals.

General Musharraf said he decided to act on Saturday in response to a rise in extremism and what he called the paralysis of government by judicial interference.

"I fear that if timely action is not taken, then God forbid there is a threat to Pakistan's sovereignty," he said in a midnight televised address.

"I cannot allow this country to commit suicide."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

117 SeafoodGumbo  11/03/07 4:20:55 pm reply quote 0

Charles,

Thanks for reminding me about Fat Tire; I had forgotten all about that great beer.

BTW, there's a couple typos in the post -- "Anne" Coulter & "vews."

118 SirRobert  11/03/07 4:21:05 pm reply quote 0

Are they really Nazi's or just some fringe element that shows up to events.

An analogy is I like a large number of things Ron Paul stands for but his campaign has attracted a whole lot of weirdos to the point that I can't support him.

Another analogy is I really like and use Apple computers (since the 512K mac) but most mac users piss me off.

Does having 'one bad apple spoil a whole bunch'? (to bring donny osmond into this)

119 Racer X  11/03/07 4:21:51 pm reply quote 0

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OT Michael Yon was just on CNN - talking good news - mood way up everywhere he goes/ deaths down.

The left will spin this in 5..4..3..2..

We have accomplished all we can. Now it is up to the Iraqis. Bring our troops home now!

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