An analysis by NBC News....
Can I get a second opinion on that one?

hmmm, if I could snap my fingers and have a wish granted, what would I snap for?

Bring on the Nukes!

Nuclear power plants in America, that is.

Ahh the magical kingdom. Isn't there any level they haven't stooped to?

But to appease the Saudis, Rice wants to know if Jews have been kidding about the Temple Mount all these years.

Exclusive: Rabbis Invited For Pre-Annapolis Temple Mount Talks

With a hint from Rice that if Jews are serious, there will never be peace.

"Rice said, at the conclusion of the meeting, that she understood that religious matters were at the root of the disagreements ahead of the conference. “If this matter is not solved, then nothing will be solved,” she said. Those at the meeting reported her demeanor as tense."

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Screw her and anyone who has not yet figured out the treachery of this Administration.

As long as the US government keeps supporting the House of Saud, nothing much will change, anytime soon.

LIES!

JOOOISH LIES!

:P

Our (backstabbing) partner in the GWOT.

No shock here. Just reinforcement.

I ask the question again. What is it worth to be rid of this "partner"?

$5/gal gas? 7$/gal?

Saudi Arabia is a hub of world terror.

I never would have thought....

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Now which side of the political spectrum has been fighting nuclear power for decades, and which side won't let us drill in ANWR because of all that pretty ice (or anywhere else, for that matter), and are they going to make any kind of apology?

Or would they just tell us to go buy a Prius? Yeah.. that'll fix it.

Look at the billion$ of dollars worth of military hardware and support we've sold them over the past 50 years. There is no incentive for our government to change its ways, concerning the Saudis. And the Saudis aren't going to change their ways, as long as the status quo is maintained.

Yeah - and if only Bush & Blair just damned well LISTENED to King Abdullah, the war on terror could have been so, so different...

I wonder what he would have said. No doubt, it would have involved the words "surrender", "or" and "else".

This is sort of like saying:

Water is wet.
Sky is blue.
Dog bites man.

We stay in bed with them because they have been useful as the "lesser evil" but continue to carry on this kind of destructive work.

The mystery is that containment goes against the Bush doctrine, so why haven't we read the riot act to the House of Saud? There must be something else. Is Pakistan the key? We shall see......

In recent months, Saudi religious scholars have caused consternation in Iraq and Iran by issuing fatwas calling for the destruction of the great Shi’ite shrines in Najaf and Karbala in Iraq...

Oh, that's just swell. It also explains why the Sauds apparently now detest Bush and Condi, though at least Condi is still trying to work her way back into their good graces - Bush is empowering the horrible Shiites!

Isn't there some way we can side with Iran against the Sauds? There's never a Shah around when you really need one.

re: #3 Racer X

Bring on the Nukes!

Nuclear power plants in America, that is.

Hahahaha. Good one.

But seriously, the one thing I don't mind at all about the Global Warming Hoax is that it is spurring the search for alternate energy sources, which will eventually wean us off Middle East oil and dry up the Wahhabi coffers. So I say let the Glowarmiacs have their little fad, because in the end it may have a side effect that actually will benefit the earth: not the cooling of the atmosphere, but the bypassing the need for Islamic oil in the future.

Beware the law of unintended consequences!

I hope you’re sitting down; this may come as quite a shock

Saudi Arabia is a hub of world terror.

Dihydrogen Monoxide is the main ingredient of water.

Reason Number One (of 911,002,976) to despise Saudi Arabia and everything about it.

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Alternative energy looks better and better. I've changed my mind - Global Warming is real! We must conserve energy in order to slow the cash flow to these ticks.

/off to buy toxic fluorescent bulbs.

re: #18 6pat6

Reason Number One (of 911,002,976) to despise Saudi Arabia and everything about it.

You're too modest, since their oil revenue is more like 91,120,010,000 per year.

This conflict is far from over & I believe had I a forward looking time scope and shone it on SA I would unfortunately see a lot of wreckage.

God help us.

The Bush administration is split over how to deal with the Saudi threat, with the State Department warning against pressure that might lead the royal family to fall and be replaced by more dangerous extremists.

Someone please also send a copy of George Santayana's The Life of Reason (linked in the last thread) to the State Department. Maybe we can get a bulk rate and send a copy to - everyone.

Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

If we all hold hands, maybe it will be OK.

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Saudi Arabia is a Kingdom of Peace !

KoP

/P-L, faster than this Administration

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What is the US governments infatuation with Saudi Arabia? Besides oil and wealth, I mean. Yes the Saudis were good allies in the first Gulf war, as long as we followed their rules, which is only fair as we were in their country. The reality of the matter was that Saudi Arabia was terrified of Iraq after they had taken Kuwait and wanted the US to protect them from Saddam.
The problem is that nowadays the Saudis are exporting Wahabanism world-wide and actively building Mosques in almost every major city in the west (all these huge Mosques being built or proposed are all financed by the Saud's) in the hopes of spreading this virulent form of Islam world-wide.
The Saud's are not our buddies and west needs to recognize this and formulate a coherent and effective plan of dealing with Saudi export of terror globally.

Actually, I am shocked. Not at the conclusion, but that Timesonline published it.

re: #14 Doug

We stay in bed with them because they have been useful as the "lesser evil" but continue to carry on this kind of destructive work.

The mystery is that containment goes against the Bush doctrine, so why haven't we read the riot act to the House of Saud? There must be something else. Is Pakistan the key? We shall see......

I will re-post this explanation of our constant stupid Siamese relationship with the Saudis. Bear with me, if you would (otherwise don't, LOL!).

Yes, the Bush family is, basically, the liberal-in-conservative-clothing type. But the inference or outright statement that they are Saudi best buddies should include every U.S. president since WWII. What no one here ever seems to mention is that it is the United States that is forcibly connected to that cesspool, and they have an absolute lock on our economy. You see, we made a little deal with the House of Saud way back then. We told them that we would support them and install them as the leaders of this country that we would create out of lines on a map, in exchange for one very special and important concession that they were not to break: they would only accept U.S. dollars for oil. From anyone. Forever.

If they decide to break that agreement, and all the countries that purchase oil switch to having big strategic caches of, say, Euros instead ,because they no longer are forced to buy the dollar to buy oil, guess what happens to the dollar? And our roaring economy and world economic power? And our purchasing power for the oil that we desperately need?

They have us over the oil barrel, folks, in more ways than one. Every administration knows it, and bows to it in their own way.

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re: #17 The Other Les

I hope you’re sitting down; this may come as quite a shock
Saudi Arabia is a hub of world terror.

Dihydrogen Monoxide is the main ingredient of water.

And too much of it can kill you.

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Actually, I am shocked. Not at the conclusion, but that Timesonline published it.

If the focus of the war had been on Saudi Arabia, they would have published something against iran...

re: #28 loflyer

The Saud's are not our buddies and west needs to recognize this and formulate a coherent and effective plan of dealing with Saudi export of terror globally.

First step, quit allowing their citizens access to our universities.

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re: #26 Poitiers-Lepanto

KoPMA.

You don't like the KoP with the RoP ?

:- )

/we need a...mop

I wish the US would explore more creative approaches to neutralize the Saudi financiers.

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re: #40 Onslow

I wish the US would explore more creative approaches to neutralize the Saudi financiers.

We are the financiers for the Saudis! darn it, anyhoo...

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re: #40 Onslow

I wish the US would explore more creative approaches to neutralize the Saudi financiers.

Simple. put LSD in all the champagne they drink on the French Riviera.
They gather there, in wondrous villas...

I'm so not surprised! I think I'll die of a heart attack from not being surprised!

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I think you have the makings of a rap song there.

you mean a rop song of course

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re: #41 MandyManners

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Remember this article from 2003?:

The United States has said that virtually all its troops, except some training personnel, are to be pulled out of Saudi Arabia.

The decision was confirmed by US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld during a joint news conference with Saudi Defense Minister Prince Sultan.

Both men stressed that there were no differences between their countries and their co-operation would continue.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

So just how is S.A. "helping" the United States nowadays?

Money makes the world go 'round, and oil makes the money go 'round.

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Our (backstabbing) partner in the GWOT.

No shock here. Just reinforcement.

I ask the question again. What is it worth to be rid of this "partner"?

$5/gal gas? 7$/gal?

The U.S. already has enough oil sitting under it! So much so that we could do away with our dependance on Saudi Arabia, but the tree-hugging Ghaia (sp?) worshippers keep throwing roadblocks in the way with stupid lawsuits that they claim will "save the planet". Wonder why so many huge forest fires? Can't cut old-growth. But that's another issue. We should open our own oil fields and take our own oil, and say 'buh-bye' to the Whores of Saud.

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And the moonbats are out on the pedestrian overpasses with their "Don't Bomb Iran" signs.

Feh!

For a short, entertaining and enlightening account of our bad marriage with the Saudis check out "Secrets of the Kingdom" by Gerald Posner.

re: #41 MandyManners

re: #30 cookielady

Since we installed them, why don't we remove them?

Mandy -

One more time - the Sauds were "installed" by a renegade faction in the UK Foreign Office led by KIM PHILBY'S FATHER. In 1945, FDR ratified this in a meeting with the then Saudi King. And - history goes from there.
Oh, and the "Mile High" Tower - who is building it? - Could be interesting as the only construction firm in the KSA remotely able to do it is BINLADEN GROUP! Some irony if they are the prime contractor!

-S-

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This gets really murky.The Bush family has been in bed with the Royal House of Saud for decades.
The Royal family encourages anti-Americanism & Jihad to try to deflect attention from their own thievery.
Conventional wisdom is that if the House of Saud fell, it would be replaced by a radical Islamic Regime.
At least we could quit playing this charade and deal with Saudi Arabiamore honestly then.
The thing is complicated

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One would hope that when it was revealed that the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, that the thoughtful people in the U.S. (I am personally afraid to speculate on that percentage) realized that the Saudi's are not the friends of the West.

It's like they are the pushers and we are the junkies. If we kick the habit, they starve.

But so far, we are unable to quit putting that needle (hose) in our arm (car).

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'Tis... a puzzlement!

It's really past time to send all their radicals home to the magic kingdom, and keep them there. See how they cope with it when they can't export the monsters they raise.

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Must see TV

SNL with Obama

Funniest part? Obama reading these lines:

I have nothing to hide..I enjoy being myself.

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Gotta go for a while. I'll definitely check back later to learn what the Great Minds here come up with to keep the economy going while we remove the Saudi leeches from our carotid!

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OT...Apparently the Phelps "Phreaks" still intend to protest at the funerals of our fallen:

[Link: www.military.com...]

Besides Oil, Wahhabism and terrorism, what does Saudi Arabia produce? Take away the first one and they cannot produce (or export, at least) the latter....Time to get a really long pipe and suck all that black gold away they just happen to live over....The day we finally find an alternative source of energy will be a great day....just to see the look on their faces when they realize without the oil, they live in barren wasteland, full of wild eyed crazies.......

The energy barons and moguls of the next two centuries will be those who market safe, clean nuclear energy plants. Yet we keep GE and others in shackles here at home, while France's Areva is taking market share.

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OK Everyone -

A bit of economics - OIL IS FUNGIBLE - which is why boycotts are almost impossible to enforce without a military blockade. To make prices go down do one or more of three things:

1. Find More - AND - Extract More - The Finding has BEEN DONE, the Extraction - more problematical.
2. Use Less - It's called "CON-SER-VA-TION" all y'all. It is a pain in the butt - AND - it helps.
3. Figure Out Alternatives - We are DOING THAT, slowly but surely. Remember petroleum at first was a substitute for WHALE OIL!

That is all.

-S-

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At least the British government was spared what might have been an embarrassing situation on King Abdullah's visit.

It did not have to expose him to meeting Foreign Minister David Milliband who happens to be a Jew.

By lucky coincidence, Milliband and his wife had just adopted a baby and he was absent on Paternity Leave.

Well, that is the official version of why he was not at the reception or the banquet . . . .

I don't think anything good can come out of the global warming hoax. Alternative energy so far has provided us with government subsidized ethanol which isn't viable and not even a short-term solution. Ethanol will, and already is having a trickle-down effect on a myriad of products effected by higher corn prices. This will bring us, at best, moderate inflation and possibly President PantSuit. Anyone remember ManBearPig's, "everything that should be up is down, and everything that should be down is up" speech? It will be, "it's the economy, stupid" all over again, one more time, with feeling.

We have several states that have coal deposits equal to or greater than even the best estimates of Saudi oil potential. I think we go diesel from coal, cut the ME off at the source. Explore the viability and potential of oil sands further and let alternative energy work itself out in the interim. What we need now is to marginalize the ME and other oil ticks, and become energy independent and at the same time drastically improve national security, as well as that of the world. We have achieved far more with less, so this is doable and with the exhaust technologies in place this will be no more and perhaps less polluting than gasoline from crude.

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OT: Father Jonathan from the UK On Dressing Up Like Muslims.

OK-he is totally cute. That is so not kosher...

re: #78 Desert Dog

Besides Oil, Wahhabism and terrorism, what does Saudi Arabia produce? Take away the first one and they cannot produce (or export, at least) the latter....Time to get a really long pipe and suck all that black gold away they just happen to live over....The day we finally find an alternative source of energy will be a great day....just to see the look on their faces when they realize without the oil, they live in barren wasteland, full of wild eyed crazies.......

Things like that happen on a time-scale measured in centuries -- or at least tens of decades. We have terrorist problems now, and waiting for the world economy to move away from oil (75-150 years from now) won't help us today.

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I wonder how much Saudi money went into funding Slick Willie's Presidential Library(?)

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re: #83 Dr. Shalit

Conservation works only to a point...use more American oil....drill offshore where it is currently banned or tightly controlled....drill in Alaska....improve the oil shale process, we have enough there that we could flip off all the oil thugs. Use viable alternatives....nuclear, coal, etc (not ethanol)......this is not just a matter of economics as oil prepares for the $100 a barrel standard, but national security....Why do our politicians continue to keep us captive of OPEC and their ilk?

"Dog" -

If I were POTUS I would have us drilling so much there would be "DDS" after my name. My apologies that I did not make that clear.

-S-

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King Abdullah Visits Buckingham Palace; Greeted by Darth Vader Theme....

Somebody's goin' a pay fer thisun...:

[Link: www.weaselzippers.net...]

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re: #95 Le_Patriot

re: #92 Dr. Shalit

But with Jimmuh, the bad far outweighs the good.
Jimmuh is the poster boy for worst POTUS in history.

"L-P"

TRUE! That is all.

-S-

re: #64 shibumi

One would hope that when it was revealed that the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, that the thoughtful people in the U.S. (I am personally afraid to speculate on that percentage) realized that the Saudi's are not the friends of the West.

Amen!

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Weaning the west off oil. This is impossible in todays world. The world would revert back to nasty old days early 1900's when our cities were so choked with coal smog that London had cases of thousands dying when a rare temperature inversion would trap the smog in the city. We would be in the age of steam locomotives, horse and buggy, along with associated sanitation problem of horse manure everywhere.
The problem with technology, is that we have not found a way to convert heat to electricity without using steam turbines and turbo-generators. This technology is about 150 years old. No one can predict when a technology break-through will occur. Even with fusion reactors the plan is to use them as high tech boilers, just as nuclear reactors are used currently. For all of our high tech, we are still in the steam age for large scale electrical power distribution.

re: #83 Dr. Shalit

3. Figure Out Alternatives - We are DOING THAT, slowly but surely. Remember petroleum at first was a substitute for WHALE OIL!

Breed more whales?

Saudi Arabia's current status is a direct result of the House of Saud's deal with the Wahhabi clerics during the 1979 takeover of the Grand Mosque in Mecca by Juhayman al-Uteybi and several hundred followers of his Muslim fundamentalist sect. Under this accord, as Yaroslav Trofimov writes in his indispensable new book,

Ah the ole Saudissssssssssssss with their oil wells up to kazoo!
grrrrrrrrr!

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re: #83 Dr. Shalit

3. Figure Out Alternatives - We are DOING THAT, slowly but surely. Remember petroleum at first was a substitute for WHALE OIL!

Breed more whales?

Exactly so. That transiton took the better part of a century. The next one will too.

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Hey, you! Yeah, you, the Saudi oil billionaire! See that Caddy in your garage? Militant Islam didn't invent that. They also didn't invent the cel phone, the big screen tv, the desktop pc, or the air conditioner. However, the US of A had a hand in inventing most of it, and the ones you have are paid for by oil money that had its origins in the US. All these things are (mostly) forbidden under sharia law. Keep this in mind the next time you write a check to that "charity", OK?

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Yes, I am shocked it was reported by NBC at all. We have known this for years. You think next year NBC will buy another clue?

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Hey, you! Yeah, you, the Saudi oil billionaire! See that Caddy in your garage? Militant Islam didn't invent that. They also didn't invent the cel phone, the big screen tv, the desktop pc, or the air conditioner. However, the US of A had a hand in inventing most of it, and the ones you have are paid for by oil money that had its origins in the US. All these things are (mostly) forbidden under sharia law. Keep this in mind the next time you write a check to that "charity", OK?

Not to mention most of things on yer list were invented by none other than ISRAELIS!... booyah!

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Had the US been more centrally controlled (and less influenced by the depraved Left) she would perhaps have followed France (85% nuclear) and Japan (70% nuclear) and at least have a nuclear infrastructure as an alternative.

Just one problem: that's wrong. Nuclear only replaces our electricity infrastructure, which is mostly coal and natural gas. The only thing we use petroleum for is transportation, which won't be affected by a wholesale conversion to nuclear power. I think replacing our coal and natural gas plants with nuclear is a great idea, if you can get it past the environmental fundamentalists who will keep any such project under a perpetual storm of lawsuits for as long as it takes to make you quit.

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"Jews for oil"---the current theme and the prime reason for the pandering Quartet and their Road Map -- culminating in the upcoming Annapolis convergence--feeding the greed and decadence of these terrorist financiers who under all of their double talk are only interested in saving their own fat asses by buying off their home grown Islamofascist threa