Go Babba Zee!

what does 'voor de toekomst' mean?

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There are only two appropriate responses to Nazis:

1. If they lack power, laugh at them.

2. If they have power, kill them.

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what does 'voor de toekomst' mean?

'For the future.'

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re: #2 gop_patriot

what does 'voor de toekomst' mean?

'For the future.'

Thank you. I finally found it at the babelfish translator, but you were faster. :) I'm still sorting out all these languages that I've been hearing; Dutch, German, Flemish, Belgian/French, etc. Yikes.

das f*kink neo-facist deception ist das frustratin' BS
/official German or any other dialect not claimed as authentic here

I picked a terrible time to give up cigarettes.

I am already working on part III

O/T, but WHAT is going on with the weblog awards? It appears that they are being spamed. DailyKooks has gained by close to 2000 votes since I voted this morning.
Do they have reliable safeguards to track invalid voters?

BabbaZee's brain is fertile indeed!

That's a lotta material, from a lotta research!

Is it just me, or does it appear that when evil crackpot idiots from the right side of the spectrum rear their ugly heads (Ron Paul, skinheads, etc), the vast majority of the right calls them out, disowns them and basically holds them in higher contempt than we do the Nimrods on the left.....Yet, the lefties seem to have their cakes and eat them to. You rarely hear any mainstream lib condemn communists, leftist thugs or the insane moonbats that current have such sway on that side.....why is that?

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O/T, but WHAT is going on with the weblog awards? It appears that they are being spamed. DailyKooks has gained by close to 2000 votes since I voted this morning.
Do they have reliable safeguards to track invalid voters?

Dunno, not my problem, thank goodness. I've been trying to warn people about silly internet pols on a regular basis -- it isn't worth the effort to stress out over 'em.

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O/T, but WHAT is going on with the weblog awards? It appears that they are being spamed. DailyKooks has gained by close to 2000 votes since I voted this morning.
Do they have reliable safeguards to track invalid voters?

Maybe they posted it on the front page. Could be legitimate.

Don't trust these early leads by LGFers. In past years, late campaigning by moonbats tipped many of the polls, with hundreds /thousands of left-wing votes in the final days and hours.

Oh, well researched!

*applauds*

I wish as much as anyone that all of these ugly connections weren't there - but since they are, it's SO important that we know the truth.

Also, there are no real 'reliable safeguards.' If someone knows enough about the internet, you can't stop them from voting as many times as they like.

re: #8 BabbaZee

I picked a terrible time to give up cigarettes.

I am already working on part III

Hell, I just bought a couple packs. Maybe next week.

re: #8 BabbaZee

I picked a terrible time to give up cigarettes.

I am already working on part III

You're doing such good work. Thank you so much for your efforts!
(((BabbaZee)))

How accurate are these internet polls when Ron Paul seems to win every debate when "polled" online...even ones he did not participate in.

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. 'That old thing? Oh, that's just a Celtic swastika.'
// Neo-fascist dissemblers.

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Is it just me, or does it appear that when evil crackpot idiots from the right side of the spectrum rear their ugly heads (Ron Paul, skinheads, etc), the vast majority of the right calls them out, disowns them and basically holds them in higher contempt than we do the Nimrods on the left.....Yet, the lefties seem to have their cakes and eat them to. You rarely hear any mainstream lib condemn communists, leftist thugs or the insane moonbats that current have such sway on that side.....why is that?

That's what I've been trying to say all along. Just look at my latest photo essay. Do you see the Democrats tearing themselves apart, trying to distance themselves from Truthers, Bolsheviks, anti-Semites and Hamas agents? No. These associations just go unchallenged, and uncommented on.

It's a double-standard that us "neo-cons" must endure; constantly proving our ideological acceptability, while the Dems go on their merry way, trailing miles of horrifying political baggage.

Par for the course.

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O/T, but WHAT is going on with the weblog awards? It appears that they are being spamed. DailyKooks has gained by close to 2000 votes since I voted this morning.
Do they have reliable safeguards to track invalid voters?

Dunno, not my problem, thank goodness. I've been trying to warn people about silly internet pols on a regular basis -- it isn't worth the effort to stress out over 'em.

If a person wanted to ensure a poll was semi reliable, why not tie it in with an E-mail address similar to your registration?
The problem I see is that politicians are starting to take the web seriously, and will pay more heed to a high ranked blog vs one with low ranking. Thats the whole point behind truthers and their spaming polls.

My reply to Paul Belien is linked at Instapundit, by the way.

This whole spat is getting a little bitchy, guys. Maybe it would be better to ignore the little lying white supremacist-sympathetic pissants, and let the chips fall where they may? It's not as though Europeans are any good at modern politics; this type of tipping from a reasonable position (for example, anti-Bolshevism) into hysterical paranoia has been their favorite public pass-time for about 200 years now. If they can't understand the repulsion some of their affiliations inspire, let them follow their enthusiasms into irrelavence.

/More Arafish, less Belien!

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O/T, but WHAT is going on with the weblog awards? It appears that they are being spamed. DailyKooks has gained by close to 2000 votes since I voted this morning.
Do they have reliable safeguards to track invalid voters?

Dunno, not my problem, thank goodness. I've been trying to warn people about silly internet pols on a regular basis -- it isn't worth the effort to stress out over 'em.

If a person wanted to ensure a poll was semi reliable, why not tie it in with an E-mail address similar to your registration?
The problem I see is that politicians are starting to take the web seriously, and will pay more heed to a high ranked blog vs one with low ranking. Thats the whole point behind truthers and their spaming polls.

Not even an email registration would guard against multiple voting. There are thousands of sites where you can get throwaway email addresses.

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BabbaZee's brain is fertile indeed!

That's a lotta material, from a lotta research!

Zombie, there is SO MUCH MORE
I need an extra head

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1 thing interesting to note about Vlams Belang is that after the main political parties of Belgium, they are 1 of the largest second tier/fringe parties in the country. Belgians vote for them. Is this a good idea?,I don't think so. Belgium and europe have some dark days ahead. The Islamists/liberals on on side and the nationalists on the other

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But if, like yours, its linked to a paid e-mail account, that would make a diffrence. How many of the kooks in mama's basement are gonna pony up for a paid account? Heck a lot of the losers I know steal their internet connection. So they would not have even ONE account they pay for.

Unfortunately, you can't always tell if it's a paid email account. There are new anonymous remailers and throwaway email sites coming online all the time.

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How can the opposing side of this fiasco deny all the hard core evidence and links to Nazism that Charles has been consistently, objectively reported on?

I'm in a stupor here.
Anyone understand their ahem.."side"?

Repost from an earlier thread, didn't notice that a new VB thread had been started:

I found something interesting when reading an article in Helsingborgs Dagblad from 2004 concerning the financial contributions to the Sweden Democrats from belgian Bernard Mengal. It contains an interview with then-party leader Mikael Jansson (still member of the party), where he drops some interesting info about the party.

[Link: hd.se...]

"Mikael Jansson is aware of what the Stephen Roth Institute writes about Bernard Mengal. This information is attainable in a few seconds through a simple web search.

- We don't consider that institute as truthsayers, but rather as party writing. But we will of course inspect their information. So far nothing has come out which verifies that he would be ideologically different from us. Differences do of course exist, but what is interesting to us is if there are major ideological differences. A financial contributor doesn't have to fall straight in with our party line.

HD: Shouldn't you run checks on who the foreign financial backer is before you put his name and face on the party's campaign flyer?

- Contributing financially isn't the same as being a representative of the party. We asked him if he was a democrat or if he was extreme in any way, and his answer was good enough for us.

HD: Is it all right to recieve money if the donor turns out to be racist or anti-semite?

- No, in that case we would have to reconsider our position.

HD: Why does mengal want to give your party large sums of money?

- He likes the democratic nationalist politics that for example the belgian party Vlaams Blok adheres to. And he would very much like to see a similar development here in Sweden.

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Aint' that cute?

Celtic crosses on Iona. Shame on them for appropriating this ancient symbol of faith.

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Again, good judgement Charles for avoiding European right-wing parties. Right-wingers in Europe are nationalist, and there's nothing wrong with that, but just because of how Europe is being composed of distinct native peoples with their own distinct histories, languages, cultures, their nationalism has an exclusiveness that isn't comparable to American nationalism, and it translates easily into white supremacism since all native Europeans are white.

Here, you just have to buy into the idea of America and individual freedom to be a right-winger. It doesn't matter who you are or where you came from. It's an ideological identity.

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The thing I admire most about LGF is that people are overwhelmingly willing, even eager, to look at the facts and think about them, argue about them, and change their opinions if the facts warrant.

And some members are willing to wade through a lot of dreck to find things we really ought to know about.

And it's all done with remarkably little rancor, all things considered.

There are so many people here that I admire the heck out of. And especially Charles, who makes it all possible. Shoot, after several days of ugly fights, Charles's ability to post a charitable statement like this:

Fjordman is probably not a bad guy. But he seems to have convinced himself that he needs to embrace bad guys to achieve a good end.

makes me wonder why he isn't surrounded by a perpetual swarm of lizardettes, throwing themselves at his feet and gazing up at him adoringly.

Or perhaps he is, and I just never got the memo. ;)

I translated an article of the distinguished FAZ (Frankfurter Allgmeine Zeitung) about the ideological connections of right-wing extremists and islamists. (Sorry for the bad translation but the German text was extremely difficult to translate)

note: the mentioned NPD and its offshoots (like pro-Koeln, pro-NRW or pro-Munich) are strongly supported by the Vlaams Belang

Islamists and the NPD (Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands = National democratic Party of Germany)

A bit more hijab for the German gal

In Hamburg’s Bergendorf quarter protests are organized against the building of a mosque. Behind the campaign „Secure Bergendorf“ is the National Association of the NPD, controlled by the right wing extremist Juergen Rieger a lawyer and racist zealot. That the neo-Nazis are taking an active part in the campaign is not astonishing. What perplexes is the clear statement that their protests are not targeted against Islam, rather against „increasing foreign infiltration“. From a global view however is the Islam „an ally of the free European people in their struggle against hegemonial claims of the American East Coast“. That phrase on the one side, the campaign against the mosque on the other side, are the marking area of a conflict in which the Neonazis currently agitate.

The idea of a common front with the Islamists against „the Jews and (US)Americans“ is not new in these circles. Even Rieger, a raving opponent of any immigration, asks in his pamphlet „The Battle of Cultures - The Battle of Religions“: „What is more damaging for our self-confidence, to put the “Diary of Anne Frank” in the curriculum of our schools or a Muslim schoolgirl with a hijab?“

Rieger isn’t an isolated case, the signs of opening a dialogue between German right wing extremists and islamists accumulate. As the symbol of camaraderie the keffiyeh is shown at relevant hangouts and the Iranian flag. Positive comments about 9/11 brought the former NPD member Horst Mahler to trial. At the demonstrations of militant islamists NPD members are seen between Hizb’allah and Palestinian flags. The NPD did understand that it has in some issues a common position with islamistic regimes. The open letter of Iran’s president Ahamdinejad to the German government with remarks about „certain powers and groups“ stroke the right note with right wing extremist groups, antisemitism and revisionism of history endow companionship.

Andreas Molau, deputy editor in chief of the NPD-combat organ „Deutsche Stimme“ (German Voice) submitted as German contribution to the Iranian cartoon contest of the Holocaust and the Middle East conflict a drawing of his paper which reinterpreted the memorial for the slaughtered Jews in Europe to a missile silo. Molau was also an interview partner of the fundamentalistic internet portal „Muslim-Market“ (Muslim-Market) where he flattered the emerging Islamic civilization. Asked about the German past he answered: „We made a religion out of the collective sham about alleged or de facto crimes.“ This fits the Iranian state propaganda: whereas the respect for the religious myth is as a fact demanded the historical fact is as a myth discredited.

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Strange.

I just voted on the milblog page and it worked fine.

Exemplary Biography

Molau’s utterances are showing the external outlines of the NPD in whose federal board he was elected in November 2006. Before it he was one of several advisors intended to save the Saxon parliamentary fraction from bancrupcy, suffered so far by every right-wing extremist party in the parliament. His biography is exemplary for those right-wingers who are hardly noticed in the public because they don’t comply with the cliché of an primitive thug. As a high school graduate he was already an active member of the “Junge Nationaldemokraten” (Young National Democrats), followed by a training in the “Bundeswehr” (Federal German Armed Forces) in “psychologic defense”.

Afterwards, he studied German language and literature, history and political science as a “Verbindungsstudent” and belonged to the main authors of the weekly paper "Junge Freiheit". He published also in organs like "Criticon" as well as in "Nation and Europa". The study over the "Junge Freiheit", published by Helmut Kellershohn, "The Plagiarism", showed already a clear closeness of his current texts to the “voelkische” ideology and the National Socialism. 1996 his name disappeared for some time from the public sphere. Molau teached history and German at a Rudolf Steiner School. After the entering of the NPD in the Saxony parliament he became their “education policy consultant”. Beside his activities for the NPD he is president of the right-wing extremist “Gesellschaft für freie Publizistik” (Society for Free Journalism).

Male controll phantasies bind

Theorists like Moldau find a seriel of possible understandings with Islamism . It begins with the essential conformity of the authoritarian social concept. The culture forms of German’s "people spirit" correspond in his views with those of a strictly regularized Islamic identity. Therefore sees Molau their rules agnate when he makes in the “Muslim-Markt” (Muslim-market) the point: “A bit more hijab as an appropriate dress code would fit some German gals very well”. Beside Herders “Volksgeister” male controll phantasies prove to be eminently unifying. Politico-economic concepts could also be adapted. In their practical work the NPD tries to distinguish herself as a party of the middle class. It propagates a national capitalism against global merchandise trafficing and financial markets or as it is expressed in Nazi-jargon: “productive” not “usurp” capital. So they meet on a front of unprogressive social criticism because based on the Islamic interest ban the Islamic propaganda also spreads the picture of a specific Islamic added value whose dynamic let the traditional proprietary forms and cultural identities untouched. The classic antisemitic propaganda identifying “Capital” with “Jews” is a routine in both parties.

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Awesome research and most excellent descriptions. NOBODY and I mean NOBODY turns a phrase like you, Babbaleh.

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Anti-reason behavior

The United States stands in the worldview of both in an alternative draft which Moldau calls in his discussion with “Muslim-Markt” the “all culture destroying ‘americanism’”. With the political Islam binds him the unprogressive behavior. The idea of equality is seen by both as a symptom of cultural collapse, the NPD opposes it with a concept of a “German freedom”. Propagated is the idea of “non-western” modernity which was already a basic concept of modern right-wing extremism in the German empire. Combined all of this create for strategists like Moldau sympathy for islamistic goals and methods.

A central element is the hostility against Israel. As a modern variation of classic anti-semitism it gets to the core of the national socialist ideology. The historical component of the aspired collaboration is volitional than with men like Moldau polishes the NPD her national-socialistic profile. In this context Moldaus interpretation of Rosenberg, who was the theme of

the thesis of the examen for his history teaching title, is of particular interest .Ernst Piper’s recently published complete works about Rosenberg denied him practically any scientific relevance but it is a key for understanding the aspired dialogue with islamistic powers. Because Rosenberg’s hate wasn’t an abstract antisemitic one only. It was specifically directed shape against the establishment of a Jewish state. For the realization of the imaginated world without “Rome and Jerusalem” he payed the Jewish desire for their own state specific attention.

German soil - Islamic land

The German Ministry of Foreign Affairs invoked 1939 especially in a round-edict to Rosenberg: “The understanding that the world-Jewry will always be unreconcilably opposed to the Third Reich makes it compulsory to avert any strengthening of the Jewish position. A Jewish state however would lead to strengthening of world-Jewry’s power.” Such body of thought is one of the center pillars of the Nazi-islamistic relationship. Due to the conception, that every people should have its place in which it can develop freely its own culture, is des an alliance of the "German soil" with the "holy Islamic land" against as "rootless" regarded nation staates Israel and United States questionable. These approximations reach deep into the party leadership of the NPD. On the occasion of the Iraq war spoke NPD boss Udo Voigt in a meeting of the in the meantime forbidden organization Hisb ut-Tahir.Their speaker Shaker Assem stressed afterwards, the Islam is no threat for Germany: "the more Muslims are true believers, the stronger are their tendency to return to their homelands." The establishment of an Islamic Califat would thus benefit from the NPD "national revolution”.

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anyway, can't stay, just wanted to post that article real fast

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Mingling debarred

However such a German-islamic alliance is still mere a mind game. Anyhow beside all interferences the border of the Nazi-islamistic approach is defined by the racism of the neo-Nazis. Connoisseurs of the scene like the Hamburg journalist Andreas Speit refer to the switching difficulties of the geopolitical fantasies of the party-strategists with the basis. The Duisburger Institute for linguistic- and social research observes also wide displeasure at the basis. In neo-Nazi-chat-rooms the debate is open if “one has now to like Arabs” because one is against the Jews. However the NPD rules out a permanent presence of Islam . As a “German” you have to be born as one and mingling is excluded. The racial main-bearer of Islam are “Orientals” formulates a strategy-paper in full NS-diction. In Europe it (the Islam) persist as a “enemy religion” (Feindreligion) and its followers as occupants. A concept which is euphemistic called “ethnopluralism” will drive back the society into ethnic particularity.

For the long term prepares the NPD for the conflict of “de-Islamization” followed immediately after the “de-Americanization”. But even for “Ausländer raus” (aliens out!)-slogans is the Islam an excellent vehicle. As a “positive integration-brake” it contributes to the “ethno-biological” preservation of the Germans, since it dissociates the Muslims and simplifies so the way of a later ejection. Therefore the desire for more devote German Muslims till their “repatriation” . The sympathies of German Neo-Nazis for islamistic tendencies is one of the distance and seen within the creation of a new “German Reich”. The global strategy doesn’t simplify the local agitation against the building of mosques. The guys of Bergedorf are telling about a comment of a passer-by they couldn’t refute: “What do you have against the mosque?It is the best protection against a Synagogue”.

FAZ

Such a charming photo...just a couple of mates, having a little l'chaim together.

*spit*

Thank you Zucker, uberbussification

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OT, but very Important.

Bush Lied, Children Died Lived.

Dont count on seeing this in the MSM.

Even though the UN takes credit, naturally this is spectacular achievement is due to the men and women in our Armed Forces.

Death rate for Afghan kids drops

By JASON STRAZIUSO, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 35 minutes ago

KABUL, Afghanistan - Six years after the Taliban's ouster, medical care in Afghanistan has improved such that nearly 90,000 children who would have died before age 5 in 2001 will survive this year, Afghan President Hamid Karzai said Sunday.

Saddled for years with one of the world's worst records on child health, Afghanistan has seen access to health care rise dramatically since the U.S.-led invasion.
Thousands of health clinics have been built across the country, and the Afghan government and aid agencies have trained tens of thousands of doctors, vaccinators and health volunteers who now reach into some of the country's most remote areas.

Access to health care for Afghans has jumped from 8 percent of the population in the 1990s to close to 85 percent today, thanks in large part to efforts by USAID, the World Bank and the European Commission.The under-5 child mortality rate in Afghanistan has declined from an estimated 257 deaths per 1,000 live births in 2001 to about 191 per 1,000 in 2006, a 25-percent drop, the Ministry of Public Health said, relying on a new study from Johns Hopkins University.

"This is certainly very positive news," said the U.N. spokesman in Afghanistan, Adrian Edwards. "To come from such low life expectancy to see this improvement does appear to be an indication that the work on the health sector here is beginning to pay off."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

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54, LurkingF, As you have noticed LGF is not a site where everyones opinion is in perfect lockstep, such as DU or DailyKos. We do respect and admire Charles for this great site, his professionalism, and the chance to talk to others who actually think and research, instead of regurgitating anything the media broadcasts. You will not find any groupies here, the LGF community does not kneel to anyone, except god.

re: #8 BabbaZee

I picked a terrible time to give up cigarettes.

I am already working on part III

Babba, you are doing great duty here, please do keep up the great work.

Also worthy of note. Van Der Galien's Gazette is a middle of the road European blog that supports some of our conclusions here. Initially they questioned, but after review they posted an article a couple days back. They are in competition for the awards against BJ.

I recommend a vote for VDG here.

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Thank you Zucker, uberbussification

Babba! >uberbussification< rofl

{Bussi} and thanks for your great work.

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Koskidz in a tizzy...
LGF murgatroying DKos - Vote Here, NOW!

I'm not too worked up about it this year. All I really want is to see them have 10 times the amount of disqualified votes again this year.

Thank you to everyone for the kind words.

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Babba, congrats. I know you worked very hard on this.

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Iran continues it's morals crackdown. A country run by nut cases. A preview of what will happen if the left ever takes over.
[Link: www.thepeninsulaqatar.com...]

re: #8 BabbaZee

I picked a terrible time to give up cigarettes.

I am already working on part III

LOL! Great job. Contact me for translations any time.

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BabbaZee's brain is fertile indeed!

That's a lotta material, from a lotta research!

Zombie, there is SO MUCH MORE
I need an extra head

You don't have one already? Check with the mothership -- they should have extras on hand.

Like Charles, I believe these global internet polls are worthless, especially best blogs awards. They are more like popularity contests, Once the blog members realise they are in they running, then all the members vote accordingly. This was what I noticed over the past couple of days, the LGF community started voting heavily and the polls shifted accordingly. Now we have the other blogs voting, and the liberal blogs are generally larger than LGF, hence the victories by the liberal blogs in their respective catagories. Its like the cheerleaders elections in high school. Its not about who best, its the most popular girls win.

I am so impressed with the Intra-Lizard Cooperation Network. Translations, advice, prayers. You name it LGF has got it.

FEAR THE FEETBALLS!

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BabbaZee's brain is fertile indeed!

That's a lotta material, from a lotta research!

Zombie, there is SO MUCH MORE
I need an extra head

Here, take mine. I'm not using it.

;-)

{BABBALEH!} Great work! (even though it scares the bejeebers outta me...)

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That's their 70 steps plan he is caressing

It is really creepy.

More brilliance from the State Department.

MUSIC TO KIM’S EARS

One of New York's leading cultural institutions seems set to get cozy with the most brutal dictator on the planet - and the U.S. State Department couldn't be happier.

New Yorkers with a scrap of human decency should take a different view.

The New York Philharmonic Orchestra is seriously considering an invitation from North Korean strongman Kim Jong Il to visit his sickly domains on the heels of its planned trip to China in February.

So seriously, in fact, that orchestra President Zarin Mehta spent nearly a week in the Stalinist “Hermit Kingdom" last month, scouting out possible concert venues.

A final decision on the trip may still be weeks away, but Mehta apparently liked what he saw.

“We went to Pyongyang and discovered a city that was clean and orderly and not without beauty," an orchestra spokesman gushed.

Missing from the tour, of course, were the millions of North Korean peasants Kim keeps at the brink of starvation as he builds his military ambitions and buffs his bizarre cult of personality.

Indeed, the few refugees and defectors who manage to escape the country tell tales of a repression that rivals the worst totalitarian regimes of the 20th century.

So why on earth would the Philharmonic want to legitimize such a thug?

During the 1930s, Americans feared the Communists more than the Nazis. Part of the reason was because groups sympathetic to the Nazis, or outright sockpuppets for the Nazis, convinced Americans that they were the good guys fighting off those evil commies. Nevermind the fact that in 1933, Hitler and Stalin signed a pact that was later broken. Groups such as the Christian Front and the Bund portrayed themselves as fellow fighters in the fight against the Communists. The Communists were just as bad as them, but does that mean siding with Fascists?

For more of this kind of s*** read Undercover

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"This is a serious worldwide movement"

It is? Ok, everyone seems to take this party and what it is symptomatic of more seriously than I do. Well, how many votes do these guys pull down, or how big are their rallies? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't seem that significant at all. For example, I keep trying to get a permanent copy of that Yuri Bezmenov interview with G Edward Griffin in 1985, but YouTube & LiveLeak keep taking them down. The only reliable websites seem to be white power (USA) websites (i.e., "here's Bezmenov to tell you how JEWISH MARXISM destroyed this country!"). Last night, having googled a nice 29 min version, I decided to read through some of the threads they had going on that particular site (something having to do with NWO Republic, or something like that). They were la