Go Babba Zee!

what does 'voor de toekomst' mean?

re: #2 gop_patriot

guess I'll go find out! lol

There are only two appropriate responses to Nazis:

1. If they lack power, laugh at them.

2. If they have power, kill them.

re: #2 gop_patriot

what does 'voor de toekomst' mean?

'For the future.'

re: #5 Charles

re: #2 gop_patriot

what does 'voor de toekomst' mean?

'For the future.'

Thank you. I finally found it at the babelfish translator, but you were faster. :) I'm still sorting out all these languages that I've been hearing; Dutch, German, Flemish, Belgian/French, etc. Yikes.

das f*kink neo-facist deception ist das frustratin' BS
/official German or any other dialect not claimed as authentic here

I picked a terrible time to give up cigarettes.

I am already working on part III

O/T, but WHAT is going on with the weblog awards? It appears that they are being spamed. DailyKooks has gained by close to 2000 votes since I voted this morning.
Do they have reliable safeguards to track invalid voters?

BabbaZee's brain is fertile indeed!

That's a lotta material, from a lotta research!

Is it just me, or does it appear that when evil crackpot idiots from the right side of the spectrum rear their ugly heads (Ron Paul, skinheads, etc), the vast majority of the right calls them out, disowns them and basically holds them in higher contempt than we do the Nimrods on the left.....Yet, the lefties seem to have their cakes and eat them to. You rarely hear any mainstream lib condemn communists, leftist thugs or the insane moonbats that current have such sway on that side.....why is that?

re: #9 JeremyR

O/T, but WHAT is going on with the weblog awards? It appears that they are being spamed. DailyKooks has gained by close to 2000 votes since I voted this morning.
Do they have reliable safeguards to track invalid voters?

Dunno, not my problem, thank goodness. I've been trying to warn people about silly internet pols on a regular basis -- it isn't worth the effort to stress out over 'em.

re: #9 JeremyR

O/T, but WHAT is going on with the weblog awards? It appears that they are being spamed. DailyKooks has gained by close to 2000 votes since I voted this morning.
Do they have reliable safeguards to track invalid voters?

Maybe they posted it on the front page. Could be legitimate.

Don't trust these early leads by LGFers. In past years, late campaigning by moonbats tipped many of the polls, with hundreds /thousands of left-wing votes in the final days and hours.

Oh, well researched!

*applauds*

I wish as much as anyone that all of these ugly connections weren't there - but since they are, it's SO important that we know the truth.

Also, there are no real 'reliable safeguards.' If someone knows enough about the internet, you can't stop them from voting as many times as they like.

re: #8 BabbaZee

I picked a terrible time to give up cigarettes.

I am already working on part III

Hell, I just bought a couple packs. Maybe next week.

re: #8 BabbaZee

I picked a terrible time to give up cigarettes.

I am already working on part III

You're doing such good work. Thank you so much for your efforts!
(((BabbaZee)))

How accurate are these internet polls when Ron Paul seems to win every debate when "polled" online...even ones he did not participate in.

re: #8 BabbaZee

Babba, could you please run spell check and grammar check? I've had too much coffee, so I'm starting to proofread obsessively.

. 'That old thing? Oh, that's just a Celtic swastika.'
// Neo-fascist dissemblers.

re: #11 Desert Dog

Because we aren't "right wing" in the way those morons are. Unfortunately America allowed the deep and apparently permeanent corruption of the word "liberal". This was one of the biggest mistakes in US history in my view. America was founded by liberals--classical liberals--not by "right wingers", and certainly not by leftists.

"Liberal" means someone who stands for Liberty.

Both the Left and the Right stand for various forms of anti-Liberty, or authoritarianism. Practically everyone on LGF is a classical liberal (like Ronald Reagan), not a "right winger" like Jesse Helms or a Leftist like Dennis Kucinich.

Leftists are the OPPOSITE of liberal. So are right-wingers!

Time to reclaim the word "liberal" and restore it to its honorable position in the American political spectrum.

re: #11 Desert Dog

Is it just me, or does it appear that when evil crackpot idiots from the right side of the spectrum rear their ugly heads (Ron Paul, skinheads, etc), the vast majority of the right calls them out, disowns them and basically holds them in higher contempt than we do the Nimrods on the left.....Yet, the lefties seem to have their cakes and eat them to. You rarely hear any mainstream lib condemn communists, leftist thugs or the insane moonbats that current have such sway on that side.....why is that?

That's what I've been trying to say all along. Just look at my latest photo essay. Do you see the Democrats tearing themselves apart, trying to distance themselves from Truthers, Bolsheviks, anti-Semites and Hamas agents? No. These associations just go unchallenged, and uncommented on.

It's a double-standard that us "neo-cons" must endure; constantly proving our ideological acceptability, while the Dems go on their merry way, trailing miles of horrifying political baggage.

Par for the course.

re: #8 BabbaZee

I quit 15 years ago...it was hard at first, but got easier as more time passed.....good luck to you with that....believe me, you will feel better instantly...be able to taste food better....SMELL better personally and with cigs costing so much now....you'll be rich!

re: #12 Charles

re: #9 JeremyR

O/T, but WHAT is going on with the weblog awards? It appears that they are being spamed. DailyKooks has gained by close to 2000 votes since I voted this morning.
Do they have reliable safeguards to track invalid voters?

Dunno, not my problem, thank goodness. I've been trying to warn people about silly internet pols on a regular basis -- it isn't worth the effort to stress out over 'em.

If a person wanted to ensure a poll was semi reliable, why not tie it in with an E-mail address similar to your registration?
The problem I see is that politicians are starting to take the web seriously, and will pay more heed to a high ranked blog vs one with low ranking. Thats the whole point behind truthers and their spaming polls.

My reply to Paul Belien is linked at Instapundit, by the way.

This whole spat is getting a little bitchy, guys. Maybe it would be better to ignore the little lying white supremacist-sympathetic pissants, and let the chips fall where they may? It's not as though Europeans are any good at modern politics; this type of tipping from a reasonable position (for example, anti-Bolshevism) into hysterical paranoia has been their favorite public pass-time for about 200 years now. If they can't understand the repulsion some of their affiliations inspire, let them follow their enthusiasms into irrelavence.

/More Arafish, less Belien!

re: #21 Pro-Bush Canuck

I agree...that old time political spectrum I learned many moons ago has been warped....I always wondered why they put Nazis on the right....they really are closer to the commies than people like you and I that want freedom and rule of law, etc.....

The current batch of "liberals" are really socialists

re: #24 JeremyR

re: #12 Charles

re: #9 JeremyR

O/T, but WHAT is going on with the weblog awards? It appears that they are being spamed. DailyKooks has gained by close to 2000 votes since I voted this morning.
Do they have reliable safeguards to track invalid voters?

Dunno, not my problem, thank goodness. I've been trying to warn people about silly internet pols on a regular basis -- it isn't worth the effort to stress out over 'em.

If a person wanted to ensure a poll was semi reliable, why not tie it in with an E-mail address similar to your registration?
The problem I see is that politicians are starting to take the web seriously, and will pay more heed to a high ranked blog vs one with low ranking. Thats the whole point behind truthers and their spaming polls.

Not even an email registration would guard against multiple voting. There are thousands of sites where you can get throwaway email addresses.

re: #27 Desert Dog

re: #21 Pro-Bush Canuck

I agree...that old time political spectrum I learned many moons ago has been warped....I always wondered why they put Nazis on the right....they really are closer to the commies than people like you and I that want freedom and rule of law, etc.....

The current batch of "liberals" are really socialists

The only diffrence between a communist and a socialist is a spine. All our current crop of socialists are as spineless as they come.

re: #10 zombie

BabbaZee's brain is fertile indeed!

That's a lotta material, from a lotta research!

Zombie, there is SO MUCH MORE
I need an extra head

re: #26 kulthur

Problem is that in the 20th century those little European passion plays metasticized into the deepest form of organized evil yet seen in the world. The Europeans--including Soviet Russia--have literally injected millions of times more evil into the world than the pesky Islamists have so far (and yes, that's a big "so far").

re: #19 Dianna

I am exhausted can you be specific please

re: #22 zombie

That's what I've been trying to say all along. Just look at my latest photo essay. Do you see the Democrats tearing themselves apart, trying to distance themselves from Truthers, Bolsheviks, anti-Semites and Hamas agents? No. These associations just go unchallenged, and uncommented on.

It's a double-standard that us "neo-cons" must endure; constantly proving our ideological acceptability, while the Dems go on their merry way, trailing miles of horrifying political baggage.

Par for the course.

And it gets SO tiring, but we can't quit.

Because of people like you, Zombie, and Charles, Babba and others out there, the rest of us have a place to come rest our heads; and take solace in the fact that we aren't alone in the fight.

re: #28 Charles

But if, like yours, its linked to a paid e-mail account, that would make a diffrence. How many of the kooks in mama's basement are gonna pony up for a paid account? Heck a lot of the losers I know steal their internet connection. So they would not have even ONE account they pay for.

re: #15 Charles

I was just informed that I had voted in ALL the polls in the last 24 hours.
Including the "best LGBT blog".

No I didn't.

re: #35 poteen

Would you like that LGBT on rye or whole wheat?

re: #35 poteen

When you went to the site, did you getthe vote page or the results page?

1 thing interesting to note about Vlams Belang is that after the main political parties of Belgium, they are 1 of the largest second tier/fringe parties in the country. Belgians vote for them. Is this a good idea?,I don't think so. Belgium and europe have some dark days ahead. The Islamists/liberals on on side and the nationalists on the other

re: #26 kulthur

It's too dangerous to the cause of reason to ignore. Sorry.

re: #34 JeremyR

re: #28 Charles

But if, like yours, its linked to a paid e-mail account, that would make a diffrence. How many of the kooks in mama's basement are gonna pony up for a paid account? Heck a lot of the losers I know steal their internet connection. So they would not have even ONE account they pay for.

Unfortunately, you can't always tell if it's a paid email account. There are new anonymous remailers and throwaway email sites coming online all the time.

re: #26 kulthur

I am not involved in any "bitchy spats"
and I never was.

This is a serious worldwide movement that needs exposure and I will keep writing on it for the foreseeable future.

How can the opposing side of this fiasco deny all the hard core evidence and links to Nazism that Charles has been consistently, objectively reported on?

I'm in a stupor here.
Anyone understand their ahem.."side"?

Repost from an earlier thread, didn't notice that a new VB thread had been started:

I found something interesting when reading an article in Helsingborgs Dagblad from 2004 concerning the financial contributions to the Sweden Democrats from belgian Bernard Mengal. It contains an interview with then-party leader Mikael Jansson (still member of the party), where he drops some interesting info about the party.

[Link: hd.se...]

"Mikael Jansson is aware of what the Stephen Roth Institute writes about Bernard Mengal. This information is attainable in a few seconds through a simple web search.

- We don't consider that institute as truthsayers, but rather as party writing. But we will of course inspect their information. So far nothing has come out which verifies that he would be ideologically different from us. Differences do of course exist, but what is interesting to us is if there are major ideological differences. A financial contributor doesn't have to fall straight in with our party line.

HD: Shouldn't you run checks on who the foreign financial backer is before you put his name and face on the party's campaign flyer?

- Contributing financially isn't the same as being a representative of the party. We asked him if he was a democrat or if he was extreme in any way, and his answer was good enough for us.

HD: Is it all right to recieve money if the donor turns out to be racist or anti-semite?

- No, in that case we would have to reconsider our position.

HD: Why does mengal want to give your party large sums of money?

- He likes the democratic nationalist politics that for example the belgian party Vlaams Blok adheres to. And he would very much like to see a similar development here in Sweden.

...

Aint' that cute?

Celtic crosses on Iona. Shame on them for appropriating this ancient symbol of faith.

re: #37 JeremyR

Vote page. When I clicked my vote, I was given the notice that I had already voted on the results page.
Thats why I tried the LGBT thing as a test. Same notice.

re: #40 Charles

re: #34 JeremyR

re: #28 Charles

But if, like yours, its linked to a paid e-mail account, that would make a difference. How many of the kooks in mama's basement are gonna pony up for a paid account? Heck a lot of the losers I know steal their internet connection. So they would not have even ONE account they pay for.

Unfortunately, you can't always tell if it's a paid email account. There are new anonymous remailers and throwaway email sites coming online all the time.

People who want to cheat are going to cheat. It makes for a hollow victory when you know how it was won.
For the honest man no law is necessary, for the dishonest man no law will suffice.

re: #42 Angel

If you cannot beat them straight up with the truth or your political philosophy is a load of BS, then you have very little choice but to resort to ad hominen and smears to shift the focus on someone else and not on your own pathetic political "beliefs"....but that is just a theory.....

re: #43 Truumax

And I haven't even started to look at the SD yet.

re: #45 poteen

I was kinda wondering why you voted for the best gay blog.

Again, good judgement Charles for avoiding European right-wing parties. Right-wingers in Europe are nationalist, and there's nothing wrong with that, but just because of how Europe is being composed of distinct native peoples with their own distinct histories, languages, cultures, their nationalism has an exclusiveness that isn't comparable to American nationalism, and it translates easily into white supremacism since all native Europeans are white.

Here, you just have to buy into the idea of America and individual freedom to be a right-winger. It doesn't matter who you are or where you came from. It's an ideological identity.

re: #45 poteen

re: #37 JeremyR

Vote page. When I clicked my vote, I was given the notice that I had already voted on the results page.
Thats why I tried the LGBT thing as a test. Same notice.

I give up..I'm also losing badly in the polls..Woman Honor Thyself but suspect some kinna shenanigans so as Charles says...theyre just silly little internet polls at the end of the day!

Why does my ego feel so bruised tho..ha!

re: #6 gop_patriot

There's very little difference between Flemish and Dutch. Like Serbian and Croatian, or Scotch English and Dixie English, speakers are mutually intelligible without prior study.

For that matter, Dutch, German, and English are closely related.

what does 'voor de toekomst' mean?

Fuer die Zukunft, for the to-come, for the future. English, but not Flemish or German, has incorporated a lot of French. Pesky Normans.

re: #32 BabbaZee

Sure:

Ladies and gentlemen I give you ENTRYISM:

Should read: Ladies and gentlemen,

and:

Entryism is not an exclusivly left-wing phenomenon;

should be: "exclusively".

It's minor stuff, but, well...

OT, sort of:

The thing I admire most about LGF is that people are overwhelmingly willing, even eager, to look at the facts and think about them, argue about them, and change their opinions if the facts warrant.

And some members are willing to wade through a lot of dreck to find things we really ought to know about.

And it's all done with remarkably little rancor, all things considered.

There are so many people here that I admire the heck out of. And especially Charles, who makes it all possible. Shoot, after several days of ugly fights, Charles's ability to post a charitable statement like this:

Fjordman is probably not a bad guy. But he seems to have convinced himself that he needs to embrace bad guys to achieve a good end.

makes me wonder why he isn't surrounded by a perpetual swarm of lizardettes, throwing themselves at his feet and gazing up at him adoringly.

Or perhaps he is, and I just never got the memo. ;)

I translated an article of the distinguished FAZ (Frankfurter Allgmeine Zeitung) about the ideological connections of right-wing extremists and islamists. (Sorry for the bad translation but the German text was extremely difficult to translate)

note: the mentioned NPD and its offshoots (like pro-Koeln, pro-NRW or pro-Munich) are strongly supported by the Vlaams Belang

Islamists and the NPD (Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands = National democratic Party of Germany)

A bit more hijab for the German gal

In Hamburg’s Bergendorf quarter protests are organized against the building of a mosque. Behind the campaign %u201ESecure Bergendorf“ is the National Association of the NPD, controlled by the right wing extremist Juergen Rieger a lawyer and racist zealot. That the neo-Nazis are taking an active part in the campaign is not astonishing. What perplexes is the clear statement that their protests are not targeted against Islam, rather against %u201Eincreasing foreign infiltration“. From a global view however is the Islam %u201Ean ally of the free European people in their struggle against hegemonial claims of the American East Coast“. That phrase on the one side, the campaign against the mosque on the other side, are the marking area of a conflict in which the Neonazis currently agitate.

The idea of a common front with the Islamists against %u201Ethe Jews and (US)Americans“ is not new in these circles. Even Rieger, a raving opponent of any immigration, asks in his pamphlet %u201EThe Battle of Cultures - The Battle of Religions“: %u201EWhat is more damaging for our self-confidence, to put the “Diary of Anne Frank” in the curriculum of our schools or a Muslim schoolgirl with a hijab?“

Rieger isn’t an isolated case, the signs of opening a dialogue between German right wing extremists and islamists accumulate. As the symbol of camaraderie the keffiyeh is shown at relevant hangouts and the Iranian flag. Positive comments about 9/11 brought the former NPD member Horst Mahler to trial. At the demonstrations of militant islamists NPD members are seen between Hizb’allah and Palestinian flags. The NPD did understand that it has in some issues a common position with islamistic regimes. The open letter of Iran’s president Ahamdinejad to the German government with remarks about %u201Ecertain powers and groups“ stroke the right note with right wing extremist groups, antisemitism and revisionism of history endow companionship.

Andreas Molau, deputy editor in chief of the NPD-combat organ %u201EDeutsche Stimme“ (German Voice) submitted as German contribution to the Iranian cartoon contest of the Holocaust and the Middle East conflict a drawing of his paper which reinterpreted the memorial for the slaughtered Jews in Europe to a missile silo. Molau was also an interview partner of the fundamentalistic internet portal %u201EMuslim-Market“ (Muslim-Market) where he flattered the emerging Islamic civilization. Asked about the German past he answered: %u201EWe made a religion out of the collective sham about alleged or de facto crimes.“ This fits the Iranian state propaganda: whereas the respect for the religious myth is as a fact demanded the historical fact is as a myth discredited.

(continued)

Strange.

I just voted on the milblog page and it worked fine.

Exemplary Biography

Molau’s utterances are showing the external outlines of the NPD in whose federal board he was elected in November 2006. Before it he was one of several advisors intended to save the Saxon parliamentary fraction from bancrupcy, suffered so far by every right-wing extremist party in the parliament. His biography is exemplary for those right-wingers who are hardly noticed in the public because they don’t comply with the cliché of an primitive thug. As a high school graduate he was already an active member of the “Junge Nationaldemokraten” (Young National Democrats), followed by a training in the “Bundeswehr” (Federal German Armed Forces) in “psychologic defense”.

Afterwards, he studied German language and literature, history and political science as a “Verbindungsstudent” and belonged to the main authors of the weekly paper "Junge Freiheit". He published also in organs like "Criticon" as well as in "Nation and Europa". The study over the "Junge Freiheit", published by Helmut Kellershohn, "The Plagiarism", showed already a clear closeness of his current texts to the “voelkische” ideology and the National Socialism. 1996 his name disappeared for some time from the public sphere. Molau teached history and German at a Rudolf Steiner School. After the entering of the NPD in the Saxony parliament he became their “education policy consultant”. Beside his activities for the NPD he is president of the right-wing extremist “Gesellschaft für freie Publizistik” (Society for Free Journalism).

Male controll phantasies bind

Theorists like Moldau find a seriel of possible understandings with Islamism . It begins with the essential conformity of the authoritarian social concept. The culture forms of German’s "people spirit" correspond in his views with those of a strictly regularized Islamic identity. Therefore sees Molau their rules agnate when he makes in the “Muslim-Markt” (Muslim-market) the point: “A bit more hijab as an appropriate dress code would fit some German gals very well”. Beside Herders “Volksgeister” male controll phantasies prove to be eminently unifying. Politico-economic concepts could also be adapted. In their practical work the NPD tries to distinguish herself as a party of the middle class. It propagates a national capitalism against global merchandise trafficing and financial markets or as it is expressed in Nazi-jargon: “productive” not “usurp” capital. So they meet on a front of unprogressive social criticism because based on the Islamic interest ban the Islamic propaganda also spreads the picture of a specific Islamic added value whose dynamic let the traditional proprietary forms and cultural identities untouched. The classic antisemitic propaganda identifying “Capital” with “Jews” is a routine in both parties.

(continued)

re: #47 Desert Dog

re: #42 Angel

If you cannot beat them straight up with the truth or your political philosophy is a load of BS, then you have very little choice but to resort to ad hominen and smears to shift the focus on someone else and not on your own pathetic political "beliefs"....but that is just a theory.....

I hear that but they seem to making equal and opposite claims either that Charles is getting his info from unreliable sources such as Wicki even tho Charles defended that already or that they were "there in person" and that gives them some kind of credibility?..
It's overwhelming.

Awesome research and most excellent descriptions. NOBODY and I mean NOBODY turns a phrase like you, Babbaleh.

re: #48 BabbaZee

They're a much smaller and more insignificant party than the VB, so there isn't as much information to find, but the dirt is definetely there. I've been digging a bit too. Found a blog entry from the party secretary from two months ago where he compares homosexuality with pedohpilia and calls it an "abnormality", among other things. Not really racist related, but still disgusting.

Anti-reason behavior

The United States stands in the worldview of both in an alternative draft which Moldau calls in his discussion with “Muslim-Markt” the “all culture destroying ‘americanism’”. With the political Islam binds him the unprogressive behavior. The idea of equality is seen by both as a symptom of cultural collapse, the NPD opposes it with a concept of a “German freedom”. Propagated is the idea of “non-western” modernity which was already a basic concept of modern right-wing extremism in the German empire. Combined all of this create for strategists like Moldau sympathy for islamistic goals and methods.

A central element is the hostility against Israel. As a modern variation of classic anti-semitism it gets to the core of the national socialist ideology. The historical component of the aspired collaboration is volitional than with men like Moldau polishes the NPD her national-socialistic profile. In this context Moldaus interpretation of Rosenberg, who was the theme of

the thesis of the examen for his history teaching title, is of particular interest .Ernst Piper’s recently published complete works about Rosenberg denied him practically any scientific relevance but it is a key for understanding the aspired dialogue with islamistic powers. Because Rosenberg’s hate wasn’t an abstract antisemitic one only. It was specifically directed shape against the establishment of a Jewish state. For the realization of the imaginated world without “Rome and Jerusalem” he payed the Jewish desire for their own state specific attention.

German soil - Islamic land

The German Ministry of Foreign Affairs invoked 1939 especially in a round-edict to Rosenberg: “The understanding that the world-Jewry will always be unreconcilably opposed to the Third Reich makes it compulsory to avert any strengthening of the Jewish position. A Jewish state however would lead to strengthening of world-Jewry’s power.” Such body of thought is one of the center pillars of the Nazi-islamistic relationship. Due to the conception, that every people should have its place in which it can develop freely its own culture, is des an alliance of the "German soil" with the "holy Islamic land" against as "rootless" regarded nation staates Israel and United States questionable. These approximations reach deep into the party leadership of the NPD. On the occasion of the Iraq war spoke NPD boss Udo Voigt in a meeting of the in the meantime forbidden organization Hisb ut-Tahir.Their speaker Shaker Assem stressed afterwards, the Islam is no threat for Germany: "the more Muslims are true believers, the stronger are their tendency to return to their homelands." The establishment of an Islamic Califat would thus benefit from the NPD "national revolution”.

(continued)

anyway, can't stay, just wanted to post that article real fast

re: #59 WriterMom

[blush]
aww thanks

This has been some test of the no smoking issue , lemme tell ya, doing this with no smokes has been torture!

Mingling debarred

However such a German-islamic alliance is still mere a mind game. Anyhow beside all interferences the border of the Nazi-islamistic approach is defined by the racism of the neo-Nazis. Connoisseurs of the scene like the Hamburg journalist Andreas Speit refer to the switching difficulties of the geopolitical fantasies of the party-strategists with the basis. The Duisburger Institute for linguistic- and social research observes also wide displeasure at the basis. In neo-Nazi-chat-rooms the debate is open if “one has now to like Arabs” because one is against the Jews. However the NPD rules out a permanent presence of Islam . As a “German” you have to be born as one and mingling is excluded. The racial main-bearer of Islam are “Orientals” formulates a strategy-paper in full NS-diction. In Europe it (the Islam) persist as a “enemy religion” (Feindreligion) and its followers as occupants. A concept which is euphemistic called “ethnopluralism” will drive back the society into ethnic particularity.

For the long term prepares the NPD for the conflict of “de-Islamization” followed immediately after the “de-Americanization”. But even for “Ausländer raus” (aliens out!)-slogans is the Islam an excellent vehicle. As a “positive integration-brake” it contributes to the “ethno-biological” preservation of the Germans, since it dissociates the Muslims and simplifies so the way of a later ejection. Therefore the desire for more devote German Muslims till their “repatriation” . The sympathies of German Neo-Nazis for islamistic tendencies is one of the distance and seen within the creation of a new “German Reich”. The global strategy doesn’t simplify the local agitation against the building of mosques. The guys of Bergedorf are telling about a comment of a passer-by they couldn’t refute: “What do you have against the mosque?It is the best protection against a Synagogue”.

FAZ

Such a charming photo...just a couple of mates, having a little l'chaim together.

*spit*

Thank you Zucker, uberbussification

re: #63 BabbaZee

Babba, did you coin 'entryism'? I quite like the term..

re: #27 Desert Dog

The American system as envisaged by the Founders is unique in that it does not partake of evil.

Imagine 4 overlapping circles. The American system of God-given Liberty, inalienable, inherent Rights, limited, accountable government, and power vested entirely in the People who then loan some of it to the government--that system is the top circle. There is some overlap with the "Left" circle in that some aspects of socialism (medicare, public education, income tax) have become integral to modern America. For the most part these are the least harful aspects of socialism. The "Right" circle also overlaps a bit, because Americans are fiercely patrioic--at times excessively nationalistic--and can go overboad in the desire to punish criminals (shoplifter? .44 magnum to the head!). Again, generally speaking this overlap is kept in check.

The "Left" circle partakes in the deep evil of formal atheism. The "Right" circle partakes in the deep evil of organized racism. Both overlap a lower circle which comprises godless authoritarian socialism--the foundation for Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Maoist China, et al.

The US system does not itself overlap this lower circle. God is acknowledged directly as the basic source of Liberty (atheists simply cannot truly understand the US formula--I apologize in advance, but this much is true), and the American system is also based upon the proposition that All Men Are Created Equal--and hence the racism of the Right cannot flourish for long in a genuine America.

So far America has proven incredibly resistant to the twin spheres of the Right and the Left. While there is overlap, the lower sphere of Evil has been entirely avoided. May it stay that way forever.

re: #63 BabbaZee

I found keeping something in my hands that normally would be a cig helps....a pencil? a pen?......it is just a matter of mind over matter, you are stronger than nicotine....you can do it!

re: #53 Dianna

thank you I appreciate it

OT, but very Important.

Bush Lied, Children Died Lived.

Dont count on seeing this in the MSM.

Even though the UN takes credit, naturally this is spectacular achievement is due to the men and women in our Armed Forces.

Death rate for Afghan kids drops

By JASON STRAZIUSO, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 35 minutes ago

KABUL, Afghanistan - Six years after the Taliban's ouster, medical care in Afghanistan has improved such that nearly 90,000 children who would have died before age 5 in 2001 will survive this year, Afghan President Hamid Karzai said Sunday.

Saddled for years with one of the world's worst records on child health, Afghanistan has seen access to health care rise dramatically since the U.S.-led invasion.
Thousands of health clinics have been built across the country, and the Afghan government and aid agencies have trained tens of thousands of doctors, vaccinators and health volunteers who now reach into some of the country's most remote areas.

Access to health care for Afghans has jumped from 8 percent of the population in the 1990s to close to 85 percent today, thanks in large part to efforts by USAID, the World Bank and the European Commission.The under-5 child mortality rate in Afghanistan has declined from an estimated 257 deaths per 1,000 live births in 2001 to about 191 per 1,000 in 2006, a 25-percent drop, the Ministry of Public Health said, relying on a new study from Johns Hopkins University.

"This is certainly very positive news," said the U.N. spokesman in Afghanistan, Adrian Edwards. "To come from such low life expectancy to see this improvement does appear to be an indication that the work on the health sector here is beginning to pay off."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

re: #26 kulthur

I strongly disagree. If we stand back and let white supremacists come to power in Europe without trying to make the decent people who are unknowingly or foolishly allied with them understand what they are doing, then we will bear some of the responsibility for the blood they will shed if they ever get the chance.

When good people do nothing, it is very easy for evil to triumph.

So no. Bad idea.

re: #68 Pro-Bush Canuck

yes, but we occasionally veer into the "stupid sphere"....hence Jimmy Carter.....

re: #64 zuckerlilly

Very interesting, zuckerlilly. Thanks for translating.

re: #73 Desert Dog

Definitely. It's all about being self-correcting though. America responded to Jimmah with Ronald Reagan.

Germany responded to a bunch of idiotic brownshirts and their dumpy failed artist leader by giving them absolute power.

Big diff.

re: #67 WriterMom

No it is an actual political ism

re: #72 lurking faith

Europeans look at the world differently than American do. They have much more faith in "the State" and less in individualism. All you have to do is look at the last century to see what happens when the Europeans succumb to the will of "the State"....sometimes guys like Adolf and Joseph are running the show.....

54, LurkingF, As you have noticed LGF is not a site where everyones opinion is in perfect lockstep, such as DU or DailyKos. We do respect and admire Charles for this great site, his professionalism, and the chance to talk to others who actually think and research, instead of regurgitating anything the media broadcasts. You will not find any groupies here, the LGF community does not kneel to anyone, except god.

re: #8 BabbaZee

I picked a terrible time to give up cigarettes.

I am already working on part III

Babba, you are doing great duty here, please do keep up the great work.

Also worthy of note. Van Der Galien's Gazette is a middle of the road European blog that supports some of our conclusions here. Initially they questioned, but after review they posted an article a couple days back. They are in competition for the awards against BJ.

I recommend a vote for VDG here.

re: #70 BabbaZee

Babba, did anyone translate that clip for you..the end is really creepy-he's putting away the original plan in his special cabinet "for the future". That's the French anyway.

{shudder}

re: #66 BabbaZee

Thank you Zucker, uberbussification

Babba! >uberbussification< rofl

{Bussi} and thanks for your great work.

re: #75 Pro-Bush Canuck

It's actually the 28th anniversary of the capturing of the American embassy. Apparently, it's party time in Iran today.

re: #75 Pro-Bush Canuck

I wake up each morning and thank the lord that I live where I do....and that 200+ years ago, there was a collection of amazing men that put this country into motion...I am also thankful for our neighbors to the north.

re: #69 Desert Dog

I agree, I am truly fine 90% of the rest of the time, but when I do this kind of work I getsta jonesin'.

re: #52 lostlakehiker

Now, that's interesting. I knew that German and Dutch were similar, but I know nothing about Flemish. Thanks!

re: #80 WriterMom

I have a translation now I will add it in a few minutes

Koskidz in a tizzy...
LGF murgatroying DKos - Vote Here, NOW!

I'm not too worked up about it this year. All I really want is to see them have 10 times the amount of disqualified votes again this year.

Thank you to everyone for the kind words.

re: #80 WriterMom

That's their 70 steps plan he is caressing

re: #83 Desert Dog

As a small nation living next to a superpower, Canada would be completely screwed were our neighbor anyone else but the US. Imagine if our neighbor had been Germany. Or Russia.

So those of us up here who can think straight pray in gratitude for our Great Southern Friend.

Babba, congrats. I know you worked very hard on this.

re: #74 Charles

re: #64 zuckerlilly

Very interesting, zuckerlilly. Thanks for translating.

thank you Charles. I recommend strongly as a basic read a book by Nick Ryan:

Homeland: Into a World of Hate

re: #88 BabbaZee

Been where you are. It can be hell, and it's much worse for some than others.

Do it as a gift from you to Him.

Worked for me.

re: #89 BabbaZee

Yes-I got that...he's hanging on to the original copy, and has put it in his special cabinet "for the future". So, plus ca change, c'est la meme chose...

OT
Iran continues it's morals crackdown. A country run by nut cases. A preview of what will happen if the left ever takes over.
[Link: www.thepeninsulaqatar.com...]

re: #8 BabbaZee

I picked a terrible time to give up cigarettes.

I am already working on part III

LOL! Great job. Contact me for translations any time.

re: #30 BabbaZee

re: #10 zombie

BabbaZee's brain is fertile indeed!

That's a lotta material, from a lotta research!

Zombie, there is SO MUCH MORE
I need an extra head

You don't have one already? Check with the mothership -- they should have extras on hand.

Like Charles, I believe these global internet polls are worthless, especially best blogs awards. They are more like popularity contests, Once the blog members realise they are in they running, then all the members vote accordingly. This was what I noticed over the past couple of days, the LGF community started voting heavily and the polls shifted accordingly. Now we have the other blogs voting, and the liberal blogs are generally larger than LGF, hence the victories by the liberal blogs in their respective catagories. Its like the cheerleaders elections in high school. Its not about who best, its the most popular girls win.

I am so impressed with the Intra-Lizard Cooperation Network. Translations, advice, prayers. You name it LGF has got it.

FEAR THE FEETBALLS!

re: #92 zuckerlilly

I ordered that book at the beginning of this thing

I was going to work this piece into one of the posts eventually

re: #64 zuckerlilly

Excellent work -- thank you. The photo at the beginning of the article is telling.

re: #30 BabbaZee

re: #10 zombie

BabbaZee's brain is fertile indeed!

That's a lotta material, from a lotta research!

Zombie, there is SO MUCH MORE
I need an extra head

Here, take mine. I'm not using it.

;-)

{BABBALEH!} Great work! (even though it scares the bejeebers outta me...)

re: #96 Yank in the EU

I will.... believe me!
and when I use the ones you already did I won't forget to credit you!

Thank you for everything through this you have been great.

I'm disgusted.

re: #88 BabbaZee

Looks like I pick the wrong week to....

re: #89 BabbaZee

re: #80 WriterMom

That's their 70 steps plan he is caressing

It is really creepy.

More brilliance from the State Department.

MUSIC TO KIM’S EARS

One of New York's leading cultural institutions seems set to get cozy with the most brutal dictator on the planet - and the U.S. State Department couldn't be happier.

New Yorkers with a scrap of human decency should take a different view.

The New York Philharmonic Orchestra is seriously considering an invitation from North Korean strongman Kim Jong Il to visit his sickly domains on the heels of its planned trip to China in February.

So seriously, in fact, that orchestra President Zarin Mehta spent nearly a week in the Stalinist “Hermit Kingdom" last month, scouting out possible concert venues.

A final decision on the trip may still be weeks away, but Mehta apparently liked what he saw.

“We went to Pyongyang and discovered a city that was clean and orderly and not without beauty," an orchestra spokesman gushed.

Missing from the tour, of course, were the millions of North Korean peasants Kim keeps at the brink of starvation as he builds his military ambitions and buffs his bizarre cult of personality.

Indeed, the few refugees and defectors who manage to escape the country tell tales of a repression that rivals the worst totalitarian regimes of the 20th century.

So why on earth would the Philharmonic want to legitimize such a thug?

During the 1930s, Americans feared the Communists more than the Nazis. Part of the reason was because groups sympathetic to the Nazis, or outright sockpuppets for the Nazis, convinced Americans that they were the good guys fighting off those evil commies. Nevermind the fact that in 1933, Hitler and Stalin signed a pact that was later broken. Groups such as the Christian Front and the Bund portrayed themselves as fellow fighters in the fight against the Communists. The Communists were just as bad as them, but does that mean siding with Fascists?

For more of this kind of s*** read Undercover

re: #103 BabbaZee

re: #96 Yank in the EU

I will.... believe me!
and when I use the ones you already did I won't forget to credit you!

Thank you for everything through this you have been great.

OK, maybe run the 'final draft' on the Dutch translations by me before 'printing'. I may have given simple versions for our understanding.

"This is a serious worldwide movement"

It is? Ok, everyone seems to take this party and what it is symptomatic of more seriously than I do. Well, how many votes do these guys pull down, or how big are their rallies? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't seem that significant at all. For example, I keep trying to get a permanent copy of that Yuri Bezmenov interview with G Edward Griffin in 1985, but YouTube & LiveLeak keep taking them down. The only reliable websites seem to be white power (USA) websites (i.e., "here's Bezmenov to tell you how JEWISH MARXISM destroyed this country!"). Last night, having googled a nice 29 min version, I decided to read through some of the threads they had going on that particular site (something having to do with NWO Republic, or something like that). They were largely Ron Paul supporters - or else they were Obama supporters, in the hopes that if Obama got elected, particularly with his black-supremacist church affiliation, the whites of this nation would realize how truly screwed we supposedly are and begin the agitation for white racial interests. Many seemed to hope this would culminate in a civil (race) war. It seemed like there were at least 20 or 30 different posters, with links to many other white power sites, and references to what I guess were popular white-power demogagues - and I'm sure they hold rallies and whatnot. Yet they just don't seem to be at all a reasonable threat. Vlaams & Co. seem like this, at least what I've seen of them (mostly on this site). I'd be happy to be corrected though... actually, I hope I am right, for Europe's sake!

I love youse guys!

I gotta go

BBL

re: #89 BabbaZee

re: #80 WriterMom

That's their 70 steps plan he is caressing

Yep, that's when he was talking of deporting Portugeuse and Spanish, before the switch of focus to Turks and Morrocans.

This is somewhat related to the whole discussion about Vlams Belang and Euro nationalist/white power parties. the Belgians voted in national elections over 4 months ago. Because of major disagreements between the main political parties, Belgium does not have a seated government. The last administration is still running things as a caretaker government. First of all, how long can Belgium function without a government? second, could this disagreement on political power-sharing lead to the break-up of Belgium? third, how will this effect the Euro in the global currency markets? any thoughts and opinions would be helpful

re: #43 Truumax

Repost from an earlier thread, didn't notice that a new VB thread had been started:

I found something interesting when reading an article in Helsingborgs Dagblad from 2004 concerning the financial contributions to the Sweden Democrats from belgian Bernard Mengal. It contains an interview with then-party leader Mikael Jansson (still member of the party), where he drops some interesting info about the party.

[Link: hd.se...]

"Mikael Jansson is aware of what the Stephen Roth Institute writes about Bernard Mengal. This information is attainable in a few seconds through a simple web search.

- We don't consider that institute as truthsayers, but rather as party writing. But we will of course inspect their information. So far nothing has come out which verifies that he would be ideologically different from us. Differences do of course exist, but what is interesting to us is if there are major ideological differences. A financial contributor doesn't have to fall straight in with our party line.

HD: Shouldn't you run checks on who the foreign financial backer is before you put his name and face on the party's campaign flyer?

- Contributing financially isn't the same as being a representative of the party. We asked him if he was a democrat or if he was extreme in any way, and his answer was good enough for us.

HD: Is it all right to recieve money if the donor turns out to be racist or anti-semite?

- No, in that case we would have to reconsider our position.

HD: Why does mengal want to give your party large sums of money?

- He likes the democratic nationalist politics that for example the belgian party Vlaams Blok adheres to. And he would very much like to see a similar development here in Sweden.

...

Aint' that cute?

From the book: Into a world of hate:

I tell him (note: buchanan) about my experiences in Belgium. He sounds surprised. 'Oh, they do?' he enquires, after I tell him about the number of Vlaams Blok MPs in the Belgian parliament.

It's interesting to think that in the US, the radical right has so far spectacularly failed to cross over into the political sphere. Or when it's tried, as with Buchanan, it's achieved derisory results. 'We were trying to do it. But there's reasons why it doesn't work. One is that America's a huge country. Second is that it's very much a tradition as a melting-pot nation. This has always been a positive aspect of America, but we've simply never encountered the sudden volume rush that we've experienced since 1965.' His voice is husky and weak. He sips on his crushed lemonade. 'But I think you're getting an increasing apprehension about it.'

He complains that if you raise these issues you get marked down as a 'nativist' or xenophobe. 'There's another point, ' he says. 'Your economic powers, the transnational corporations, are delighted with mass immigration, because it keeps a steady, constantly growing supply of labour and suppresses wage demands, and provides competition to union labour.' His voice lilts upwards, emphasising and punching certain words forward, despite his weakness.

(p. 201-202)

I want to come back to the concept of Entryism. That is really the thing we need to watch for. We've seen it on the left with the various Stalinist/Communist groups using the anti-war movement as a point of entry into the "mainstream" of the Democrat party. The tactic has been remarkably successful. Now we're seeing it on the right, just at the point that (at least in Europe at least) we're seeing the pendulum swing that direction. And if we see the Republicans making significant gains as we approach the elections, we should not be surprised to see parallel attempts at entry on the right.

Meanwhile, the article Zuckerlilly posted has it right -- these groups, right or left, share with Islamism the Totalitarian impulse, which allows them the basis for a temporary, but dangerous alliances.

BabbaZee -- Zuckerlilly -- good work. Unfortunately, I suspect we've only just cracked the lid of Pandora's box.

re: #110 kulthur

They are the single largest party in Belgium and they are very strong in Antwerp. Yet, the other parties have formed a "Cordon Sanitaire" against them, which prevents them from entering into any sort of coalition. Hence, they have little national power, but they are not negligible. The recent efforts to legitimize the VB by bringing Bostom, Giselle and David Littmann, Spencer, etc. into contact with Filip Dewinter and other VB members was a concerted strategy.

re: #110 kulthur

It is? Ok, everyone seems to take this party and what it is symptomatic of more seriously than I do. Well, how many votes do these guys pull down, or how big are their rallies? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't seem that significant at all.

In the last parliamentary elections, I believe the VB got 19% of the vote.

re: #116 Yank in the EU

The recent efforts to legitimize the VB by bringing Bostom, Giselle and David Littmann, Spencer, etc. into contact with Filip Dewinter and other VB members was a concerted strategy.

On target.

Holy crap! Ok, I apologize - I didn't realize they were that large. Freaking Europeans...

re: #116 Yank in the EU

Part of the re-branding of their evil ways.

Charles, there is a chart here with the Belgian election brakedown by party, votes and % from the 2007 elections.

Sorry, that was the general elections. According to the extreme-right CCC (where Vlaams Belang is popular), they currently hold 26% of the seats in the regional parliament.

[Link: 72.14.253.104...]

The VB has 17 seats.

re: #100 BabbaZee

re: #92 zuckerlilly

I ordered that book at the beginning of this thing

I was going to work this piece into one of the posts eventually

Seams we are on the same wavelength ;-) C18 is very important in this case.

re: #101 Lucius Septimius

thank you ;-)

OK, that chart shows about 12% of the vote, and 17 seats.

Another thing about that Celtic Cross; it combines the pre Christian sun wheel with the cross, and it is a symbol of inclusivity in that combining. Thus doubly nefarious that the white power types should appropriate it.

re: #78 LoFlyer

54, LurkingF, As you have noticed LGF is not a site where everyones opinion is in perfect lockstep, such as DU or DailyKos. We do respect and admire Charles for this great site, his professionalism, and the chance to talk to others who actually think and research, instead of regurgitating anything the media broadcasts. You will not find any groupies here, the LGF community does not kneel to anyone, except god.

And not everyone here kneels to any concept of god; don't forget the atheists among us.

Sorry if you thought I actually expected LGFers to be groupies or have teenage hero worship and crushes. Not what I meant at all. It's just that it's been a rough couple of weeks, and I wanted to say how glad I am that this forum is the civilized kind of place it is, without getting all maudlin about it.

And I hope Charles does have some sweet intelligent person to gaze at him admiringly.

re: #116 Yank in the EU

re: #110 kulthur

They are the single largest party in Belgium and they are very strong in Antwerp. Yet, the other parties have formed a "Cordon Sanitaire" against them, which prevents them from entering into any sort of coalition. Hence, they have little national power, but they are not negligible. The recent efforts to legitimize the VB by bringing Bostom, Giselle and David Littmann, Spencer, etc. into contact with Filip Dewinter and other VB members was a concerted strategy.

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep! And Charles put a spoke in their whee!

re: #117 Charles

Various bad parties in the history of 20th century Europe started out small as well.

Let us not console ourselves with their smallness.

re: #129 Ojoe

I don't think that's very small, actually.

Babba - Terrific Work.

Charles, interesting piece about the White Supramists plan to march in Jena, La...

Nationalist Movement To Protest March In Louisiana

Yes, keep in mind when we say they are the 'largest party' that's seems to be true by many sources, but only because the Christian Democrat party, for example, is composed of alliances of factions. There is a huge breakdown of party alliances in Belgium where people caucus on their differnent issues. It is the equivalent of the GOP splitting into various interest groups that share a strong ideology but are willing to work together often and sometimes not.

re: #115 Lucius Septimius

I want to come back to the concept of Entryism. That is really the thing we need to watch for. We've seen it on the left with the various Stalinist/Communist groups using the anti-war movement as a point of entry into the "mainstream" of the Democrat party. The tactic has been remarkably successful. Now we're seeing it on the right, just at the point that (at least in Europe at least) we're seeing the pendulum swing that direction. And if we see the Republicans making significant gains as we approach the elections, we should not be surprised to see parallel attempts at entry on the right.

I totally agree.

Meanwhile, the article Zuckerlilly posted has it right -- these groups, right or left, share with Islamism the Totalitarian impulse, which allows them the basis for a temporary, but dangerous alliances.

Remember Michel Foucault.

re: #130 Charles

Considering their animus it is too big, you are right.

Great work pulling all your research together for us BabbaZee.



Oh and I can't find my BabbaZee Cinema clip, and I'm not happy about it.

re: #133 zuckerlilly

re: #115 Lucius Septimius

I want to come back to the concept of Entryism. That is really the thing we need to watch for. We've seen it on the left with the various Stalinist/Communist groups using the anti-war movement as a point of entry into the "mainstream" of the Democrat party. The tactic has been remarkably successful. Now we're seeing it on the right, just at the point that (at least in Europe at least) we're seeing the pendulum swing that direction. And if we see the Republicans making significant gains as we approach the elections, we should not be surprised to see parallel attempts at entry on the right.

I totally agree.

Meanwhile, the article Zuckerlilly posted has it right -- these groups, right or left, share with Islamism the Totalitarian impulse, which allows them the basis for a temporary, but dangerous alliances.

Remember Michel Foucault.

Indeed. It all goes back to Heidegger, and ultimately to Hegel.

re: #129 Ojoe

re: #117 Charles

Various bad parties in the history of 20th century Europe started out small as well.

Let us not console ourselves with their smallness.

Exactly. Actually, Hitler's NSDAP never won any popular vote, but by exploiting various loopholes they "stole themselves into power", to put it in liberal terms.

A friend of mine studies politics at a European university, and she tells me that there are many official programs under way in Europe to give "ethnical minorities" an increasing number of special privileges even though they represent or get less than 5% of the vote. Germany, for example, has a guaranteed number of seats for ethnic minorities in the North regardless of the actual proportions in elections.

That's the reason why crypto-racists like VB play the "oppressed minority" card so heavily.

re: #108 marwan's daughter

Not in 1933. And Nazi-ism was not viewed positively.

re: #136 Lucius Septimius

...the Totalitarian impulse, which allows them the basis for a temporary, but dangerous alliances.

Hitler+Stalin being a big case.

re: #108 marwan's daughter

Another great read (I would say a must read) of Carlson is: Cairo to Damascus

Although the post here focuses on the picture of DeWinter with Le Pen, the editor of the video was especially interested in the phrase DeWinter utters at the end. Relying upon the French translation, here's the context:

Vlaams Blok, the outlawed antecedent to Vlaams Belang had a "70 points plan", detailing the actions they intend to take to combat once in power. The translated title of the document is "Immigration: the solutions. 70 proposals for the solution of the problem of aliens".
The original one was considered to be in breech of the European Convention on Human Rights. So they modified it in attempt to conform with the letter of the ECHR, but eventually had to do more extensive cosmetic alterations (following Beglian court ruling) and changed the party name to "Vlaams Belang", while being more careful to comply nominally with the law.

So the interviewer asks him about the original 70 points plan. (It should be noted that Filip makes a big show out of how that would be hard to find, yet he finds it right away among dozens of documents laying side by side, seemingly unlabeled) There's a cut and Filip reads out point 7: "The right to vote will be dependent upon nationality" (that is, as opposed to citizenship; Filip seems quite flustered about that one being exposed), as well as two others (not sure what "suppression du commissariat royal aux immigres" means; I think it alludes to opposing, suppressing, a governmental committee responsible for protecting and ensuring the rights of immigrants). He is asked why does he oppose bringing back this plan. He answers "Because it has become a smybol. This document has become symbol of the racist character of our party, but it has proved its usefulness".
And then:
"So here I'm placing it for safe-keeping in my archive... for later"

re: #115 Lucius Septimius

I don't think we're only now seeing it, I think we're only now noticing it. Look at how the Minutemen have had to keep purging their ranks; other groups - including local Republican committees - keep having precisely the same problem.

re: #141 stvip

"So here I'm placing it for safe-keeping in my archive... for later"

Chilling.

re: #139 Ojoe

re: #136 Lucius Septimius

...the Totalitarian impulse, which allows them the basis for a temporary, but dangerous alliances.

Hitler+Stalin being a big case.

As well as the Nazi's alliance with various other nationalist groups in Germany prior to their seizure of power. There were also all sorts of fascist parties in the Balkan states they were able to ally with and manipulate. Really, if you look at the politics of the thirties, one of the keys to the Nazi's success was their ability to form a common cause with far-right elements in various countries, including England and France.

In Origins of Totalitarianism, Arendt made a big deal of the extent to which the French army was sympathetic to a good deal of the Nazi's anti-democratic and anti-semitic ideas.

re: #130 Charles

re: #129 Ojoe

I don't think that's very small, actually.

That would be like a friend of mine being glad the tumors his body are riddled with are small.
Cancer grows. Liberalism grows. Racism grows. Never good.

re: #137 nickpicker

Why on earth do they want to balkanize themselves?

re: #142 Dianna

You're absolutely right. I used to do things with my local Republican party, but frankly got put off by some of the more disturbing folks who used to hang out there. Luckily the state organization keeps them on a pretty short leash.

re: #141 stvip

That's precisely the point I was trying to make in #137. The Flemish angle is simply a trojan horse. These people do not actually believe that somehow Flandern is being attacked, but the "white nation", so they're using the European protection programs for "ethnic minorities" as a cover for white supremacism.

This is a major point, and American readers need to understand this. The European soul believes not in the concept of "nation" as in "being born in a nation" (from the Latin nascere, to be born) but as "being born with an ethnicity".

The irony being that even though it's mostly leftist/liberal parties in Europe who push the "oppressed ethnicities need special protection" programs (that's why the EU so strongly identifies with Palestinian terrorists), the actual blueprint was put forth in the 1930 by none other than ... Hitler. He dreamt of a "Europe of regions", i.e. regions identified by the ethnicities who make up majorities there, and tried to achieve a Europe divided up not along nation borders but along "tribes". Under leadership of the Aryan race, i.e. Northern Europe.

re: #141 stvip

Lately I have been making so many typing/editing mistakes I don't bother correcting them. But since this is an important post -

detailing the actions they intend to take to combat once in power

Should be: "detailing the actions they intend to take once in power"

dozens of documents laying side by side

lying side by side

He answers "Because it has become a smybol

symbol

PIMBFG

re: #147 Lucius Septimius

The problem is, we get creeped out by these people, so we quit, instead of confronting them.

That's got to change.

re: #143 Ojoe

I like the way it's on the shelf in the cabinet -- he knows right where it is, and obviously knows exactly where to look. For now I'm putting it up where people can't see it, but it stands over and above all of my other ideas and principals. And I know where it is and look forward to the day I can move it down to the shelf where I need not be forced to keep it shut away. Subtle, but not insignificant, I'd say.

re: #144 Lucius Septimius

After Hitler finally consolidated his political power, he turned to the Socialists in the Reichstag and said: "And now I have no further use for you." Just like that.

This is in Winston Churchill's book "The Gathering Storm".

re: #150 Dianna

What I've ended up doing is meeting with other members of the party in other venues, though I still will go and speak to the creepy folk when they call me, which is less frequent than it used to be. I also have been careful to keep good ties with the mainstream Democrat establishment. Luckily with my job I get invited to enough events to keep my foot in several doors.

re: #135 Geepers
Thanks Geeps.
There's a movie clip missing from the cinemababbazee archives on my blog? Do you personally have a link to the missing flick? If so please send it to me.

I'll pop back later

thanks again everyone

re: #146 Dianna

re: #137 nickpicker

Why on earth do they want to balkanize themselves?

To venture a guess, they perceive the American success as being driven by that. In other words, they mistake the American melting pot for balkanization, i.e. "the sum being greater than the parts" for "the weakest link".

Which in itself is perfectly in tune with Europe's long history of self-destruction.

I for one plan to emigrate to the US as soon as possible.

re: #146 Dianna

re: #137 nickpicker

Why on earth do they want to balkanize themselves?

Because they fear themselves. The WWII experience of mobilized nationalism cost millions of lives; the Europeans would rather be fractured to the point of paralysis than face that monster again. Besides, they have the US to take care of any international policing that might be needed... why have a unified country capable of exerting any kind of political will? Only leads to trouble.

re: #152 Ojoe

Gleichschaltung. The fools thought they could control him. They were wrong. But pointed-headed political elites never seem to learn.

I'd like to see Mark Steyn's take on this A-J realignment. He predicted that many Euros in the face of aggressive Islamism will be

increasingly...drawn down the old road to the neo-nationalist strongmen promising to solve the problem.

--America Alone, p. 125.

re: #13 zombie

re: #9 JeremyR
Don't trust these early leads by LGFers. In past years, late campaigning by moonbats tipped many of the polls, with hundreds /thousands of left-wing votes in the final days and hours.

A peek at last year's Weblog Awards, and perhaps a statement on integrity:

In 2006, Daily Kos had 1451 votes removed as invalid, about 7% of its total.
In 2006, LGF had 153 votes removed as invalid, 0.8% of its total.

#88 BabbaZee 11/04/07 12:17:31 pm reply quote report 0

Thank you to everyone for the kind words.

Babba, as an expert on your smoking situation, I have a suggestion that sounds odd, but it works gangbusters. Use a straw or anything you can find to simulate a cigarette. Deeply inhale the air and repeat until the strong urge passes - it really will pass.
re: #88 BabbaZee

re: #146 Dianna

re: #137 nickpicker

Why on earth do they want to balkanize themselves?

Western Civ is based on...what? A Judeo-Christian religious world-view, with its attendant morality, plus Enlightenment political freedom and individual liberty. The Euros have jettisoned the first for an aggressive secularism and the second for a Socialism that brooks no dissenting voice. When they feel a need to defend Western Civ against the Islamist barbaric substitute, the only remaining basis many of them can find for their devotion to Westernism, apparently, is race and language. Very sad.

re: #161 Dead Sea Squirrel

They need to read Madison's discussion on avoiding the tyrany of the majority.

I will say again, I think this wave has not crested yet.

Charles, I think you might be on the verge of a Hat Trick here with the help of Babba, and others. I only casually followed this at first, but now it certainly has my interest.

Thank you guys for all of your effort.

So much information, so little time.

re: #161 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #146 Dianna

re: #137 nickpicker

Why on earth do they want to balkanize themselves?

Western Civ is based on...what? A Judeo-Christian religious world-view, with its attendant morality, plus Enlightenment political freedom and individual liberty. The Euros have jettisoned the first for an aggressive secularism and the second for a Socialism that brooks no dissenting voice. When they feel a need to defend Western Civ against the Islamist barbaric substitute, the only remaining basis many of them can find for their devotion to Westernism, apparently, is race and language. Very sad.

It's not that simple. For instance, in Germany the regions with the highest count of racist attacks against foreigners and immigrants are exactly those with the lowest percentage of the latter.

Fact is that most Europeans don't see the threat from "Islamic barbarism" at all. Actually, it doesn't require any threat at all for the European mainstream to show its ugly face, cf. "the Jewish problem" in the 1930s.

re: #162 Dianna

Years ago I tried to explain Madison to a bunch of Germans. They looked at me like I was from Mars. The concepts laid out in the Federalist Papers are utterly alien to the vast majority of Europeans.

Let me add that contrary to what some "experts" *ahem* Bat Ye'or *cough* might want you to believe, Europe does not have any grand master plan for the continent at all. While the above information might seem unconnected or even conflicting, you should take note that the one fatal design flaw of the European Union is that she never developed any kind of "theater stage" to express herself and the different views of her citizens to put to test. European politics and discussions just don't happen.

It's interestingl, though, that even if one might conclude that a lack of talking points might lead to a greater variety of opinion, the opposite is true - like lemmings they all run in the same direction.

Charles,.
This is the problem with euro rightwingers: they are easily seduced to the fascist camp, while the American Right is able to distinct itself from nazi minded looonies.
(The euro left has been very smart in using this problem with euro-right wingers as a scare tactic.)

What Europe needs is a strong Religious Right, like the USa has. One that defends freedom, democracy, and one who is against racism and other kind of social problems.-

Saddly, the european right is composed mostly by atheists, and they have no moral reference apart from themselves.

BabbaZee (#154),

Sorry, no linky. Forever doomed to obscurity.

re: #164 nickpicker

It seems that a lot of the racism is from the Former East German state. (Lots of problems there). (also noticed inversions -- Europeans claim that what the U.S. needs is more secularism, less religion. Americans claim what Europe needs is more religion, less secularism. On so many of these issues -- due to differing histories, cultures, etc - I don't see "common solutions" or "one-size-fits-all"...each side of the pond will work out its own solutions (I don't have much by way of hopes that Europe will find the proper balance...may go overboard in one direction or the other...wouldn't be the first time...Europe has a history of lurching...swinging wildly/weirdly)

But there might be hope in the future, regarding the european right.

However, if things go wrong (and we all know how easy that is) europe might fall into another stage of fascism. The question is: islamic fascism, or white supremacism fascism?

re: #166 nickpicker

Let me add that contrary to what some "experts" *ahem* Bat Ye'or *cough* might want you to believe, Europe does not have any grand master plan for the continent at all. While the above information might seem unconnected or even conflicting, you should take note that the one fatal design flaw of the European Union is that she never developed any kind of "theater stage" to express herself and the different views of her citizens to put to test. European politics and discussions just don't happen.

It's interestingl, though, that even if one might conclude that a lack of talking points might lead to a greater variety of opinion, the opposite is true - like lemmings they all run in the same direction.

Europe does not have formal venues for political discussion; that is true. On the other hand, there is a much stronger culture of people sitting around in coffee houses and taverns talking about politics. The discussions I've been involved in there are closer to what you experience at a place like LGF than I find in comparable venues here where most people just sit and don't acknowledge the people around them. (tortuous syntax, I know)

That said, the tenor is often one of despair -- they don't agree with the government, but they know the government could care less what they think.

And don't forget "proportional representation," and the fact that the Democrats would love to institute that lovely anti-democratic voting strategy here.

re: #169 J.S.

Yes. It's interesting, though, that Germany's ruling party (and the one constantly scoring 35% or higher in recent general elections) is actually called "Christian Democratic Party", and in Bavaria "Christian Socialist Party". And Germany has mandatory income deductions for Christian employees which go directly to the coffers of the Vatican.

In any way, don't believe that any criticism coming from Europe is well-intentioned. For them it's all a club to beat the US. If it's not secularism/religion it's Microsoft/monopolies. If it's not MS it's Kyoto. If it's not Kyoto it's Gitmo.

And if any of that doesn't work there's always slavery, Native Americans, etc.

re: #171 Lucius Septimius

Europe does not have formal venues for political discussion; that is true. On the other hand, there is a much stronger culture of people sitting around in coffee houses and taverns talking about politics. The discussions I've been involved in there are closer to what you experience at a place like LGF than I find in comparable venues here where most people just sit and don't acknowledge the people around them. (tortuous syntax, I know)

Yes, I know these discussions.

A: Soccer is not what it used to be.
B: ... Cars are not what they used to be.
A: ... Women are not what they used to be.
B: I hate America.
A: We all do.

Really, it's not any more sophisticated than that.

(Yes, I'm being sarcastic. But only a little.)

re: #168 Geepers

wahhh what a pity.
I'll have to make you a new one.

Because we all need a laugh.

CHARLES!

we allied ourselves with FREAKING JOSEPH STALIN to get Hitler.

it was a good move.

OUR MISTAKE WAS NOT GOING AFTER STALIN THE DAY AFTER WW2 ENDED!

Ditto the Flemish Block.

They are our allies in a war versus jihadism.

After we defeat the jihadists we can go after them.

BTW:

If you want a European Europe then you must also want a Caucasian Europe - or one in which non-Caucasians assimilate.

Historically, Europeans have not done as well as the USA as afr as assimilating immigrants.

They need to do better.

In the long term.

But we are fast approaching the short term.

Sarkozy's anti-immigration policies are good, a step in the right direction.

re: #175 re

It is a mess we're in.

re: #175 re

CHARLES!
BTW:

If you want a European Europe then you must also want a Caucasian Europe - or one in which non-Caucasians assimilate.

Why are equating culture with race? And furthermore, we are fighting against jihadis, that's what it's about. I couldn't give less of a damn if Flanders secedes, that's not the problem. The VB is using the counter/anti-jihad movement to disguise their true intentions (e.g. "a white Europe"). F#ck that.

[re: #175 re

CHARLES!

we allied ourselves with FREAKING JOSEPH STALIN to get Hitler.

it was a good move.

OUR MISTAKE WAS NOT GOING AFTER STALIN THE DAY AFTER WW2 ENDED!

Ditto the Flemish Block.

They are our allies in a war versus jihadism.

After we defeat the jihadists we can go after them.

As Charles and many others have repeatedly pointed out, accepting this kind of ally in "a war versus jihadism" is political suicide.

You would lose more true friends (and no I am not talking about the American Left here), than you would gain false ones with that alliance.

BTW:

If you want a European Europe then you must also want a Caucasian Europe - or one in which non-Caucasians assimilate.

Heh, the way you & others in these threads have made it sound, I think Caucasians also may be in serious need of assimilation into a free society.

re: #175 re

Stalin. Well, there's an argument no one has seen over that last few weeks.

Big fat SARC tag

re: #175 re

CHARLES!

we allied ourselves with FREAKING JOSEPH STALIN to get Hitler.

it was a good move.

OUR MISTAKE WAS NOT GOING AFTER STALIN THE DAY AFTER WW2 ENDED!

I don't think we're in as desperate a situation as we were when we teamed up with Stalin. This is still in the political stage. You do what you have to to stay alive, but we aren't there now and it would be better to address the newer problems without resurrecting the old deatheaters. Let Mr. Filip keep that little booklet stuffed in the cupboard... forever.

And given our track record of not going after Stalin the next day... or not going after Sadam Hussein the next day the first time around. I wouldn't count on the join up then blast them later strategy if not necessary.

re: #179 buzzsawmonkey

Their symbol was the Odin's Cross, which--not coincidentally--looks like the cross-hairs of a telescopic rifle sight.

correctamundo and thanks

I will look into who that was
and yes you are correct this symbol has been in use at least 40 years in that world

This is sad but true: (From Babbazee)

We have THREE ENEMIES the way I see it:
-The whore commie socialist degenerate left,
-The blood guzzling beasts of Islam,
-And the ravening power mad wolves of the racist right

re: #12 Charles

I've been trying to warn people about silly internet pols on a regular basis -- it isn't worth the effort to stress out over 'em.

Yep to the max.

re: #175 re

Yup, every thing is going to happen just like it happened in WWII. We've got that baby down!

Great idea! We're assured of the outcome.

A key point, as I have mentioned, is that it would be a fatal blunder on Europe's part to turn in a moment of desperation and panic to the racial nationalists and WN element. Many of such are in the Vlaams Belang, such as one of its leaders Filip Dewinter. European countries will lose if they do so because there still exist an important number of folks in the political center and elsewhere who have a concept of evil and will refuse to ally with, or even fight, this WN ideology. The regimes of racial rationalism may indeed rise again in Europe (Le Pen and the FN, the NDP in Germany, Haider in Austria, the BNP and Nick Griffin, the Vlaams Belang, etc.), but too many will refuse this ideology due to the horror of Europe's history with fascism in the 20th century for it to be triumphant.

When times grow violent in the future with the Islamists, as we know they will, the left will most likely attack not the threatening jihad but ally with it against the right, believing in its typically self-hateful way that nationalism (racial or otherwise) and lack of socialism are the reasons why Muslims are raging. To forestall such a self-destruction and civil war, which will leave the jihad in an ideal position to strike, the center-right in Europe must overcome its bland timidness and weakness and start taking care of these issues on which the WN parties score points: rampant socialism, mass immigration, multiculturalism, and Islamism. The Vlaams Belang says 'we are the "only alternative,"' yet because their movement will be rejected by so many for its racial ideology, it is really no alternative at all. The VB relies now, as we have repeatedly seen, on obfuscation of all these facts we have collected and it presents strawmen (e.g. that we are leftists and are calling out "racism" without foundation), but what the supporters of VB really must do is openly and frankly deal with the truth of these Nazi sympathizer / WN elements and build a new anti-Islamization without them.

Racial nationalism is not the answer to the threat from radical Islam that will win. They can still and must build a righteous, classical liberal, anti-jihad, racially inclusive nationalist movement that forms coalitions with masses in the center. It is, for instance, white nationalist ideology and affirmation of the Nazi collaborator roots that drives so many from the classical liberal parties away from the Vlaams Belang, though they may agree about Islam, socialism and independence. Moreover, now is not the time to be jumping into bargains with Stalin, rationalizing that the Allies did it in the midst of a world war; rather we are still at the stage of building a movement and alliances against Islamization. This is another strong reason why WN and its supporters have to be excluded from the anti-jihad cause: it will hurt only the anti-jihad movement in Europe, but in all connected countries.

Rats. Left out "movement".

re: #187 Yank in the EU

great post anyway!

Great work, BabbaZee.

re: #188 BabbaZee

re: #187 Yank in the EU

great post anyway!

LOL, my dream is an "edit" function on already made posts.

BabbaZee (#174),

Oh No! Not the rough stuff.

LOL. Too good.

re: #24 JeremyR

re: #12 Charles

re: #9 JeremyR

O/T, but WHAT is going on with the weblog awards? It appears that they are being spamed. DailyKooks has gained by close to 2000 votes since I voted this morning.
Do they have reliable safeguards to track invalid voters?

Dunno, not my problem, thank goodness. I've been trying to warn people about silly internet pols on a regular basis -- it isn't worth the effort to stress out over 'em.

If a person wanted to ensure a poll was semi reliable, why not tie it in with an E-mail address similar to your registration?
The problem I see is that politicians are starting to take the web seriously, and will pay more heed to a high ranked blog vs one with low ranking. Thats the whole point behind truthers and their spaming polls.

I used to track IP addresses in my polls, and I would see the same IP address voting every 4 seconds for several hours. Fueled by jolt cola, hate, or OCD I think. I used to also have a registration system for mailing lists. And I had a commenting system. A few times I was able to actually track down a live person spammning my poll. They are quite surprised when found out. And full of denials. It's like a sock puppet weed garden. I one time found an important person spamming my polls and then commenting to me about the crappy poll i was running. In the comment she wasn't afraid to give me her real name.

I would just delete the overvotes out of the database. People would sometimes notice and complain. Today, If I thought I wanted to make the poll important, I would use a login system and make everyone leave a captcha comment as to why they voted and how. No comment no vote. Sucky chad comment , no vote.

I had thought about using application and session varirables to move sequential voters by IP to a duplicate dummy honeypot poll that did nothing but let them see their own increments. Or show someone else voting faster than them for the opposition. But i stop polling and it wasn't that important anyway.

If you vote spam from a workplace you can be tracked down easily and given a lecture by your supervisor.

re: #180 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #175 re

Stalin. Well, there's an argument no one has seen over that last few weeks.

Big fat SARC tag

I wanted to address this earlier, but didn't get around to it. All this business about "making pacts with the devil" etc. -- well mostly that's in the realm of myth.

When WWII ended, great numbers of people celebrated the end of the war -- and who was proclaimed as the hero in the parades? It was Stalin. This was in North America. Stalin was "Uncle Jo."

Roosevelt had this to say in a telegram: "When Soviet troops turned the tide at Stalingrad in February 1943, Roosevelt sent a congratulatory telegram to Stalin: 'The one hundred and sixty-two days of epic battle for the city which has for ever honored your name and the decisive result which all Americans are celebrating today will remain one of the proudest chapters in this war of the peoples united against Nazism and its emulators,'." That's what Roosevelt wrote. Even shortly before Roosevelt's death, he saw Stalin in a favorable light.

Remember -- the Great Famine of 1933 in the Ukraine -- it was nullified by the "Duranty Times" -- It didn't happen (according to the "award-winning" "journalist" Duranty writing for the New York Times. Stalin was a great guy....did everything for the people...)

The one who opposed Stalin was Churchill. (There's debate as why this was -- some historians suggest that Churchill had plans to remake the British Empire at the end of the War -- keep India, etc., and Roosevelt objected.) Anyway, Roosevelt died suddenly. And it was Truman who got turned against Stalin...and the "turn" came when Winston Churchill delivered his "Iron Curtain" speech in Missouri. (some historians mark this as the beginning of the Cold War). Then you get the Soviet Union vs the United States (then later, all the purges that Stalin was involved in come to light, etc., etc.) By the 1950s it was all but impossible to not see Stalin as a gruesome, grisly, murderous dictator.

re: #117 Charles

In the last parliamentary elections, I believe the VB got 19% of the vote.

Much more than Hitler's Nazi Party polled until after 1929. If Europe undergoes a prolonged economic downturn, expect that support to double fairly quickly. The Nazis in the 1930s only addressed an imaginary Jewish problem. Neo-Nazis of today have a decided advantage in that they are addressing a very real Muslim immigrant problem that current European leaders will not.

re: #125 Charles

OK, that chart shows about 12% of the vote, and 17 seats.

re: #130 Charles

I don't think that's very small, actually.

#125 & 130: Exactly. It isn't small for a fringe party--and it could grow very quickly if economic or political unrest overtakes Europe. The Nazis had 12 seats in 1928; 107 in 1930 and 230 in 1932. The Socialists/Communists were a much larger party during the '20s. During tough times, people look for quick fixes and the Nazis promised one.

re: #26 kulthur

Kulthur: Every time in the 20th century the Europeans followed their enthusiasms, it didn't lead them into irrelevance, it led them into a major war. Which in turn led to hundreds of thousands of Americans casualties restoring European equilibrium.

re: #181 Sunlight

Correct. It is not as desperate now as it was then.

And I don't think we are making the same mistakes on the same scale that we made in the 1920s and 30s allowing Nazis to grow and arm; after all we are fighting a hot war in some places against the jihads even now.

And as for turning on Stalin in 1945 we were to tired for that, and besides we would have then descended into "turn on your allay" which would have been just the betrayal that Hitler had done to Russia.

Well it happened the way it did.

re: #183 LSD

This is sad but true: (From Babbazee)

We have THREE ENEMIES the way I see it:
-The whore commie socialist degenerate left,
-The blood guzzling beasts of Islam,
-And the ravening power mad wolves of the racist right

Gotta agree with that. I was watching the BBC series "The Nazis - A Warning From History" earlier today and was struck by one speech in which Hitler was hectoring his audience about the need for absolute obedience - how the true German must submit his individuality completely to the cause - it sounded like a reading from the Koran. I doubt the similarity was entirely coincidental.

re: #195 Ojoe

And I don't think we are making the same mistakes on the same scale that we made in the 1920s and 30s

The most striking similarity is the Munich Agreement. A bunch of Western Democracies deciding to doom another, smaller, Western Democracy ifor the sake of appeasement. Specifically, by first forcing a partitioning of the country, to be swallowed later. I often wonder what would have happened had the Czech refused, and stood their ground (back then, Germany was still weak, and would've probably been defeated handily; Czechoslovakia had mobilized 1.5 million people, very willing to fight, who were stunned when they were ordered to stand back idly). They would probably be treated by the press much as Israel is being treated nowadays, and all German aggression, present and future would be blamed on them.

It is no coincidence that the Czech tend to be more pro-Israeli than other European countries. I think the Czech officials were the only European ones to openly express their disdain of Arafat and rejecting the idea of "Right of Return".

Babs, I'm glad you quit smoking. Hang in there. Maybe next, you'll give up the chronic?

re: #197 stvip

Those burned before retain some sense.

And in our era we have lots of 'anti-war' squaking because we have not waited for the last idiot to understand the need for action.

re: #21 Pro-Bush Canuck

For that matter, the "Liberal Arts" were those deemed worthy of a free person to study. It certainly didn't mean Chutch's stolen/copied artworks and plagiarism, no matter what the moonbats in Colorado who are attending his "seminars" might think.

re: #197 stvip

They were also the first nation to supply arms to Israel in 1948. Mauser rifles, MG-34 and MG-42 light machineguns, and S-199 (ME-109) fighters. The small arms were reliable enough, but those S-199's were almost as dangerous to the pilots as any prospective targets.

EAGLES
WINGS,
R

re: #198 Ward Cleaver

Oh HELL no

re: #202 BabbaZee

BBZ, I see you're already getting razzberry posties at your site. You've arrived. Plus, you still got mama w.

Lookout LGF

If the non-Muslim Europeans would have more children, so that they match the growth of the Muslim population, then Europe would be stabiized with regard to the non-Muslim/Muslim balance.

If there were more efforts to reform and modernize and liberalize and secularize the Muslim world, then there would not be so much danger and pain with regard to the growth of the Muslim world.

The WN movement in Europe is the successor to the Nazi movement. We have already seen how their psychoses sparked World War II, and led to the deaths of tens of milliions of people. They had their chance, and they showed that they are the most dangerous movement, or one of the most dangerous movements, in the history of the world.

I think that there are (at least) three menaces that can be seen at this time.

The worst and most dangerous, IMO, is the radical right, racist WN movement, which would create a bloodbath to satisfy its criminal racist drives. The problem is that they have no conscience to limit them. We have had enough of this evil scum, and they should go straight to hell if that could be done. Nobody in the counter-jihad movement should make the mistake of lending legitimacy to the WN racist successors to the Nazis; or of allowing them the opportunity to expand their power, their influence, and their ability to recruit to their side. They are likely to engulf Europe in an ethnic cleansing bloodbath that will cause great instability, as well as a human catastrophe. They are especially dangerous because they have the capacity to recruit large numbers of Nazi-type zealots, by using demagoguery and by jumping on the bandwagon of causes of discontent. If the Nazis gain power again, it will likely be a bloody disaster -- again.

The second worst and second most dangerous, IMO, is the modern radical Islamist movement, the hyper-jihad movement that was preached by Khomeini (on the Shiite side), and by al-Banna, Mawdudi, Qutb, and Azzam (on the Sunni side). This is a fascist movement, that bases itself in Islam, and raises the banner of Islam to recruit jihadis from the Muslim world. Especially troubling is the rise of Mahdaviat Iran which seeks to be a nuclear jihad state, and a jihadic imperial power that will use the threat of nuclear attack to gain power over the Persian Gulf sources of the world's petroleum. It will establish its credibility by carrying out nuclear genocide against Israel, to wipe it off the map. After that, its threats will have a great deal of credibility, and there will be a great threat of nuclear jihad that will endanger not only the oil reserves that the West needs, but Europe as well, and with sufficient ballistic missile power the US also.

The third worst and third most dangerous, IMO, is the radical leftist movement. The collapse of the Soviet Union has enormously weakened this movement. Their dream is to weaken American power, to get rid of the capitalist free enterprise system, to use anti-semitism and anti-zionism as a means of expanding their influence, and in general to do away with the present situation, and to use the jihadists as the destabilizing force that they need. They do not have the stomach for terrorism that the radical left used to have decades ago, and so they are less of an immediate threat and probably less of a long-term threat as well. They are mainly the tail of the jihadic movement. For the long term, though, we still need to keep our eyes on what Communist China is doing, as well as Communist North Korea. And post-Communist Putin's Russia also.

Is this OT, or is it merely a new wrinkle?

[Link: news.independent.co.uk...]

US white supremacist speaks at Russian march
Published: 05 November 2007
As Preston Wiginton, a white supremacist from Texas, stepped forward to address thousands of Russian nationalists at a rally Sunday in Moscow, he lifted his black cowboy hat high in the air.
.........
[National Unity Day] has been seized upon by extreme nationalists such as the Movement Against Illegal Migration, which advocates the deportation of nonwhite migrants, and the Slavic Union, another white supremacist group, as well as Russian Orthodox fundamentalists and monarchists.

The marches reflect a rise in xenophobia in Russia, where more than 50 people have been killed and 400 injured in ethnically motivated attacks
............

re: #205 mean Gene

[Link: yafwatch.blogspot.com...]

[Link: yafwatch.blogspot.com...]

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[Link: www.austinchronicle.com...]

Date Received: Fri., May. 19, 12:39PM
SITE A FRONT FOR WHITE-SUPREMACIST EXTREMISM
"Dear Editor,
An advertisement displayed in the upper left hand corner of the back page of the April 21 and 28 issues of the Chronicle encouraged readers to visit the Web site [Link: www.noaztlan.org....]
Aside from the red flags of the obvious URL and tagline "USA, Love It or Leave It," the Web site itself is little more than a front for white-supremacist, exterminationist politics. The Web site prominently displays links to violent white-supremacist Web sites such as Stormfront and the National Vanguard as well as links to white-pride groups such as American Renaissance and VDare (named after the first European baby born in America) and to the writings of Frosty Wooldridge, which state that immigrants "carry head lice, leprosy, tuberculosis and hepatitis A, B, and C." The site also prominently features writings by one Preston Wiginton, a known white-supremacist who compares immigrants to cancer.
With all due respect for the support the Chronicle has shown Austin's progressive community, it shouldn't be too much to ask that you turn down advertising money from hate-mongers.
-Aaron Lloyd Cobb"

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INTERCONNECTED
WRECKAGE,
R

Anybody see this yet, from tomorrow's American Thinker?

Political Black Ops in Belgium?

re: #207 neocon hippie

by reading that piece it seems to me he either not examined my evidence or has some other reason not to see it

and I got plenty more where that came from
and not one of them addresses it

Also the writer is either sloppy or he has no clear understanding of the situation

is penetrated by government agents. Whether they take the next step and act as agents provocateurs is an interesting question --- but here is a photo (scroll down) of a young woman posing in Nazi costume at a Vlaams Blok rally ten years ago. Is she a neo-

That is a Swedish Democrat, not a Vlaams Belanger in the photo

reads like a gossip column

re: #208 BabbaZee

Somebody's dancing real hard.

He's probably correct that VB is penetrated by government agents, at lest to some degree.

He clearly doesn't understand that we're talking about pretty much all of VB's top leadership positions. Or the connections to "political" front groups from at least six other European nations, as well as another half dozen or so groups in the US.

NEVER
SAY
DIE,
R

re: #208 BabbaZee

re: #207 neocon hippie
Also the writer is either sloppy or he has no clear understanding of the situation

is penetrated by government agents. Whether they take the next step and act as agents provocateurs is an interesting question --- but here is a photo (scroll down) of a young woman posing in Nazi costume at a Vlaams Blok rally ten years ago. Is she a neo-

That is a Swedish Democrat, not a Vlaams Belanger in the photo
reads like a gossip column

Yup. It's another hastily written piece by someone who doesn't want to take the time and actually research the facts.
This sentence is telling:

If Brussels Journal is going to be discredited, so could all the other major blogs.
American Thinker

Yes, Mr. Lewis, blogs can be mistaken, they are not infallible.

Maybe the author got his information from jeppo...

At about -50 or so in that video, as DeWinter is perusing the 70 points documents, there is what appears very strongly to be an SS dagger on the bookshelf above and beyond the documents.

BLACK
SHAPE,
R

re: #212 Render

[Link: www.worlddaggers.com...]

WHOOPS,
R

I find it very interesting to see how a lot of Americans think about the threads to Europe. Especially, placing the danger of the extreme right above the extreme left and the jihadi's.

The 3 threads in order of dangerousness to Europe from my perspective:

1. The (Extreme) Left Wing
These are organisations and political parties that will cripple Europe's economy with their world vision, resulting in a repeat of the 1920's and 1930's.
Their tendency to appease the jihadi's as a means to assure their vote in elections, will fuel the Jihadi's dreams of a islamic state on our continent.
Also, they have a proven trackrecord of MURDERING political opponents that THEY deem too far right.

2. The Jihadi movement
As we all have seen, the violent branch of islam, supported by many states that have a blatant disregard for human rights like equality and freedom of speech, will stop at no lengths to realise their dream. The founding of the Umah in Europe. To make up for what they failed to do in the period from 1000-1700.
I see them as the second biggest danger, because they are succeeding at changing the history of this continent (and how it is tought at schools), the way the radicalize their youths, the racial crimes they commit against members from other religions etc.

3. The far right (White Supremists/Nazi/Nationalist)
This is a very difficult one for me personally. Why ? Simple.. I have been called a Nazi, a Racist, a Nationalist one too many times.
Like many of the members of LGF, I consider myself to be a classic liberal with decent patriotic ties to my country and my continent.
I strongly believe in free speech, equality and self-responsibility.
I look fondly at my cultural heritage, the great writers, painters, musicians and businessmen that came out of the tiny country called Holland. I am proud of the role my country played in world history, yes, I admit it... allthough I do not condone slavery in any way, I see the welfare it brought the Netherlands in the 17th century.

That is also why, I am very carefull, before I call someone or a group of someones, one of the mentioned names.

Now... the far right-wing movement, does have some support in Europe. Normally a percentage of 3 - 8%, depending on how well they manage to hide their beliefs and intentions.
People will not support them on a large scale and people look at them with discust.
The reason that several of these parties still manage to get elected is fear. Not fear of these parties, but fear, to found a liberal-patriotic movement, that supports a culture build on equality for all - regardless race, colour of skin or religion. Because any party that would mention the patriotic part and pride for the cultural heritage would automatically be branded racist.

Pim Fortuyn did try to found such a party and he was demonized by the ruling politicians and killed by a member of the far left.
Theo van Gogh promoted these believes and was critisized by the left and killed by a member of the jihadi's.

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Europe needs to realise it has to take certain steps to create an environment in which a clean, right-wing-patriotic, liberal movement can arise.
- The press has to become completely free of government influence;
- The circle of Anti-Americanism and Anti-Israelism has to be broken;
- Funding and marketing needs to become much more structured.

It is 5 to 12, the clock is ticking, and it is looking gloom... but don't underestimate the quiet masses yet.

re: #214 Shelbourne

I find it very interesting to see how a lot of Americans think about the threads to Europe. Especially, placing the danger of the extreme right above the extreme left and the jihadi's.

I agree with every word you wrote except the above. It's only that the far-right is the topic of concern at the moment. I would guess that anyone who knows this subject well around here would recognize that the far-rigth would have no traction without the socialists' policies enabling the long, slow jihad.

About Lewis's article: "Political Black Ops in Belgium?" a) he certainly seems to unaware of a large amount of facts in the situation -- such as the Brussels Journal's recent endorsement of the BNP and racial ideology. Also, Dewinter admits that VB members still celebrate and honor the memory of Staf DeClercq, who collaborated with the Nazis and took part in the Holocaust. b) The basic premise of the article is incredibly stupid: the woman in the Nazi costume was from Sweden's SD, lol! (BTW, she was a member of the SD at the time). Also, it is Filip Dewinter and the VB party leadership that hold extreme-right, white nationalist positions -- are they leftist plants?

re: #215 Yank in the EU

re: #214 Shelbourne

I find it very interesting to see how a lot of Americans think about the threads to Europe. Especially, placing the danger of the extreme right above the extreme left and the jihadi's.

I agree with every word you wrote except the above. It's only that the far-right is the topic of concern at the moment. I would guess that anyone who knows this subject well around here would recognize that the far-rigth would have no traction without the socialists' policies enabling the long, slow jihad.

True,true... one thing that worries me more even now, is the situation in Pakistan. More even, because it is likelier, that when the islamists get a nuclear device from over there, it will be used in Europe and not in the US.

re: #209 Render

yes he clearly does not realize this

re: #210 konservo

yup.

re: #212 Render

I will look at that closely
thanks again brother

Render

I see it

I think you are right
but I also think the point is arguable due to the angle of the shot

The non-Muslim population of Europe needs to have more children. And the Muslim population of Europe needs to be more thoroughly assimilated so that they become wealthier and more materialistic, which would probably result in their seeking to have smaller families. In the US the Muslim population is one of the wealthiest groups here, and the size of their families, from the instances that I know of, is not extraordinarily large.

Here is an example of what may lie in store, disregarding such things as Muslim immigration, non-Muslim emigration, conversion to Islam, and the declining non-Muslim population of Europe. Suppose that a typical sample of the population of a European country includes 9 non-Muslims and 1 Muslim (10% Muslim population). Assume that the birth rate of Muslims is such that the Muslim population doubles every generation. After one generation, the typical sample would include 9 non-Muslims and 2 Muslims. After another generation, 9 non-Muslims and 4 Muslims. After another generation 9 non-Muslims and 8 Muslims. After another generation 9 non-Muslims and 16 Muslims, and the Muslim population would be far greater than the non-Muslim population.

Capping Muslim immigration, or even stopping it entirely, would not change the eventual outcome. Limiting or even totally preventing non-Muslim emigration would not change the eventual outcome. Discouraging conversions to Islam or even making it a capital offense would not change the eventual outcome.

What makes the situation even worse is that the non-Muslim population of Europe is not even stable -- it is declining. So in the example above, the 9 non-Muslims would actually be a declining number.

If there is no effort by the non-Muslim population to increase its birth rate, and if there is no effort to change the Muslim population to be wealthier and more materialistic and thereby having a lower birth rate, the eventual outcome will be an Islamization of Europe. None of the anti-immigration measures, anti-emigration measures, or anti-conversion measures will change the outcome. The only thing that the WN racists will do to actually change the eventual outcome is to have an ethnic cleansing bloodbath to murder and drive out all those that they consider to be different, a kind of Nazi program. When they get power, their prey will be the Jews, the Muslims, and all non-whites including Christian non-whites. It will be a slaughter. Don't believe that things like immigration matters, emigration matters, conversion matters, or minor expulsions are going to change the outcome of the birth rate discrepancy; it will be ethnic cleansing on a vast scale that will be the program of the WN movement, because the other items won't matter to the outcome.

Wouldn't it be better for the non-Muslim population of Europe to become more religious, to become less materialistic, and as a consequence to have more children? Wouldn't it be better to enable the Muslim population to become more assimilated, wealthier, and more materialistic, and possibly even more secular, and as a consequence to have less children?

re: #206 Render

re: #205 mean Gene

[Link: yafwatch.blogspot.com...]

[Link: yafwatch.blogspot.com...]

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[Link: www.austinchronicle.com...]

Date Received: Fri., May. 19, 12:39PM
SITE A FRONT FOR WHITE-SUPREMACIST EXTREMISM
"Dear Editor,
An advertisement displayed in the upper left hand corner of the back page of the April 21 and 28 issues of the Chronicle encouraged readers to visit the Web site [Link: www.noaztlan.org....]
Aside from the red flags of the obvious URL and tagline "USA, Love It or Leave It," the Web site itself is little more than a front for white-supremacist, exterminationist politics. The Web site prominently displays links to violent white-supremacist Web sites such as Stormfront and the National Vanguard as well as links to white-pride groups such as American Renaissance and VDare (named after the first European baby born in America) and to the writings of Frosty Wooldridge, which state that immigrants "carry head lice, leprosy, tuberculosis and hepatitis A, B, and C." The site also prominently features writings by one Preston Wiginton, a known white-supremacist who compares immigrants to cancer.
With all due respect for the support the Chronicle has shown Austin's progressive community, it shouldn't be too much to ask that you turn down advertising money from hate-mongers.
-Aaron Lloyd Cobb"

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INTERCONNECTED
WRECKAGE,
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I took a quick look at the referenced article, titled, Illegal Immigration Spells Cancer for the American Way of Life.

The paragraph about disease is specific to "illegal aliens".

The final paragraph reflects the title, referring to "illegal immigrants".

This Aaron Lloyd Cobb is a liar and I would not give him any credibility.

@ #221

One difference is that the USA has accepted immigrants on the basis of a Green Card system, meaning they have an additional value to your society. Better said... a lot of muslims working in the USA will have above average jobs -> above average income -> easier addaptation.
In Europe we immigrated a lot of un-educated people from (mainly) Turkey and Morroco. They will have below average jobs or unemployed (30-something unemployement among morrocons for instance in the Netherlands vs. a 5% average) -> below average income -> bad integration.

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On the topic of the VB:

Some interesting figures.

63% of all the people from Flanders thinks that Belgium will break apart sooner or later.
44% is positive about this development and would rather have it happen today than tomorrow.

(Source: [Link: www.nu.nl...] )

re: #222 PETN Sandwich

"The Web site prominently displays links to violent white-supremacist Web sites such as Stormfront and the National Vanguard as well as links to white-pride groups such as American Renaissance and VDare (named after the first European baby born in America) and to the writings of Frosty Wooldridge..."

"The site also prominently features writings by one Preston Wiginton, a known white-supremacist who compares immigrants to cancer."

Mr. Cobb wasn't lying in either of the above quotes. The links to Stormfront, Vanguard, AmRen, and VDare are still there and Preston Wiginton is still a neonazikkklan supremacist scumbag who has compared immigrants, illegal or otherwise, a cancer.

LINKS
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HELL,
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re: #55 zuckerlilly

I translated an article of the distinguished FAZ (Frankfurter Allgmeine Zeitung) about the ideological connections of right-wing extremists and islamists. (Sorry for the bad translation but the German text was extremely difficult to translate)

note: the mentioned NPD and its offshoots (like pro-Koeln, pro-NRW or pro-Munich) are strongly supported by the Vlaams Belang

Islamists and the NPD (Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands = National democratic Party of Germany)

A bit more hijab for the German gal

In Hamburg’s Bergendorf quarter protests are organized against the building of a mosque. Behind the campaign %u201ESecure Bergendorf“ is the National Association of the NPD, controlled by the right wing extremist Juergen Rieger a lawyer and racist zealot. That the neo-Nazis are taking an active part in the campaign is not astonishing. What perplexes is the clear statement that their protests are not targeted against Islam, rather against %u201Eincreasing foreign infiltration“. From a global view however is the Islam %u201Ean ally of the free European people in their struggle against hegemonial claims of the American East Coast“. That phrase on the one side, the campaign against the mosque on the other side, are the marking area of a conflict in which the Neonazis currently agitate.

The idea of a common front with the Islamists against %u201Ethe Jews and (US)Americans“ is not new in these circles. Even Rieger, a raving opponent of any immigration, asks in his pamphlet %u201EThe Battle of Cultures - The Battle of Religions“: %u201EWhat is more damaging for our self-confidence, to put the “Diary of Anne Frank” in the curriculum of our schools or a Muslim schoolgirl with a hijab?“

Rieger isn’t an isolated case, the signs of opening a dialogue between German right wing extremists and islamists accumulate. As the symbol of camaraderie the keffiyeh is shown at relevant hangouts and the Iranian flag. Positive comments about 9/11 brought the former NPD member Horst Mahler to trial. At the demonstrations of militant islamists NPD members are seen between Hizb’allah and Palestinian flags. The NPD did understand that it has in some issues a common position with islamistic regimes. The open letter of Iran’s president Ahamdinejad to the German government with remarks about %u201Ecertain powers and groups“ stroke the right note with right wing extremist groups, antisemitism and revisionism of history endow companionship.

Andreas Molau, deputy editor in chief of the NPD-combat organ %u201EDeutsche Stimme“ (German Voice) submitted as German contribution to the Iranian cartoon contest of the Holocaust and the Middle East conflict a drawing of his paper which reinterpreted the memorial for the slaughtered Jews in Europe to a missile silo. Molau was also an interview partner of the fundamentalistic internet portal %u201EMuslim-Market“ (Muslim-Market) where he flattered the emerging Islamic civilization. Asked about the German past he answered: %u201EWe made a religion out of the collective sham about alleged or de facto crimes.“ This fits the Iranian state propaganda: whereas the respect for the religious myth is as a fact demanded the historical fact is as a myth discredited.

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You're right. I've observed that some other neo-Nazis have been making de facto common cause with the Muslims, such as this one.

More about him here, with some shocking pix.

As if all that were not enough, he's currently touring the US and Canada!