Giving the surge credit would mean Bush did something right- can't have that, can we koslings?

Amerika is still defeated!
/Koskid

At least they're acknowledging that things are improving in Iraq. That has been a very painful admission for them.

But of course.

And they discussed this in briefings with their handmaiden, Dingy Harry.

All part of a clever strategery to rescue us from the quagmire.

They call it "re-framing". I call it "reality avoidance". Otherwise known as "failure to recognize reality". Lotsa terms for it, but the Kos Kiddies have cornered the market for this kind of Loony Tunes stuff.

What next, I wonder?

JAFLW

Silly KozTards

The military experts at Daily Kos...

LOL

God forbid they give our troops the credit for actually improving the situation in Iraq. A ceasefire by the Mahdi Army wouldn't explain a 70% drop in violence, Shia and Sunni turning against al Qaeda, Iraqis leaving militias and getting jobs, and Iraqis who'd left, returning.

But I'd hate to confuse the KosKids with, ya know, facts and logic.

Um, there are military experts at Kos? Must be an oxymoron, Charles...

JAFLW

It's tough to consider them 'military experts' when their only weapon is a bong.

"Re-framing". Wow, they're so nuanced and deep. Those Freshman media studies classes totally paid off!

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Hillary wants to do for our economy and health care what Robert Mugabe has done for Zimbabwe.

Air Force Grounds Most F-15 Fighter Jets

WASHINGTON - The Air Force has grounded nearly all its workhouse F-15 fighters after a National Guard jet crashed Friday, apparently from structural failure.

The unusual stand down comes as Air Force leaders acknowledge the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have hurt readiness and cut into modernization of fighters, bombers, tankers and cargo jets.

Of the more than 700 F-15 jets, only aircraft flying missions over Iraq and Afghanistan are exempted from the flight suspension, said Air Force spokesman Lt. Col. Ed Thomas.

No date has been set for returning the jets to flight status.

Daily Ko(ok)s; When braincells go horribly wrong!

Truth.......... Factual statements............. Honest assessment......... none of which are present at KOS

re: #10 EC Marm

It's tough to consider them 'military experts' when their only weapon is a bong.

Charles, there needs to be some way to indicate "drink-spew warning!" on some of these comments.

EC, that was funny. Really brings a new meaning to the term, "Open Fire!"

Kos is on it's heels reframing this. I think the much more serious, pre-emptive reframing going on right now is in Pakistan and the Western MSM's portrayal of recent developments.

And of course, Muqtada made this decision out of the goodness of his heart, and because he was tired of making effortless progress.

Because of the militants sincere and humble desire for peace, and because al-Sadr is a great statesman.
Not because, ya know, they were getting their collective asses shot off.

re: #5 just another four-letter word

They call it "re-framing". I call it "reality avoidance". Otherwise known as "failure to recognize reality". Lotsa terms for it, but the Kos Kiddies have cornered the market for this kind of Loony Tunes stuff.

What next, I wonder?

JAFLW

Otherwise commonly know as "Cognitive Dissonance".

It must hurt to have to always be reaching for a reason to believe in something.

They make my brain itch.

re: #20 Piglet-U93

re: #5 just another four-letter word

They call it "re-framing". I call it "reality avoidance". Otherwise known as "failure to recognize reality". Lotsa terms for it, but the Kos Kiddies have cornered the market for this kind of Loony Tunes stuff.

What next, I wonder?

JAFLW

Otherwise commonly know as "Cognitive Dissonance".

Or, anal-cranial impaction.

what could possibly have made sadr call a cease fire?

Gee. I think we've killed enough of the bad guys that it is happening that the most moral people have the biggest weapons, which is as it should be.

But this has two no nos:

Big weapons
Morality on the part of the USA & the good Iraqis.

They are nuckin futz

They could be right.

They could be layin' in wait.

They don't have to travel 3000 miles to go home.

They're not going anywhere.

Just a thought.

re: #23 smcg

what could possibly have made sadr call a cease fire?

Good will toward man....

/just guessin'

Isn't Kos's military expert Gen. Wesley Clark?

Yikes!

I have learned to apply 2 rolls of duct tape to my head before reading the comments at Kos. Prevents my brain from exploding as I peruse moronic ramblings.
Sickening

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Playing devil's advocate for a sec, he isn't completely wrong. Follow his logic:

IEDs are the most deadly tactic used by insurgents.

EFPs supplied by Iran are the most deadly IEDs.

Shia groups plant most of the EFPs.

Shia groups have cut back on the number of EFPs planted.

Thus, American casualties fall.

This is all true.

However, that ignores the freefall collapse in Iraqi casualties. If Shia groups with IEDs were the deadliest threat to American forces, Sunni groups using suicide car bombs were the deadliest threat to Iraqi civilians. Iraqi civilian casualties are also dropping fast. This isn't because Sadr's boys aren't planting Iranian EFPs in Baghdad marketplaces - they never did. Al-Qaeda suicide bombers are now hunted and killed by Iraqi militias working with American forces.

And even if the Shia militias are a deadlier threat to U.S. troops than the Sunnis, far fewer Sunni groups are even trying to kill Americans these days. That is not disputed by anyone.

If this Kos guy wants to point out a 'success' due to a Shia ceasefire, it is Basra, where there hasn't been a major attack on British forces in weeks.

Please notice also how MSM, such as CNN, has reacted to the lack of bad news. Look at the front page of CNN's web site right now: if we can't report bad numbers, let's show blood-curdling horror stories instead.

Whatever works.

RE: #13 NJDhockeyfan:

The unusual stand down comes as Air Force leaders acknowledge the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have hurt readiness and cut into modernization of fighters, bombers, tankers and cargo jets.

Well, the US government could do something radical like inreasing the amount of money available to fix/repair/repalce or "modernize" our armament -- especially since it's one of the few areas they are required to spend any money on!

How to pay for it? Cut 'social benefits."

re: #9 Just Another Four-letter Word

Um, there are military experts at Kos? Must be an oxymoron, Charles...

JAFLW

Most of the Kos Kids' worst life experience was running out of gas in Mom's Volvo station wagon, let alone actual military/combat experience.
"I was on this pot run to score some weed........OMG it was so scarey....." "Wow, dude. Like really scarey."

re: #31 tfc3rid

re: #27 coquimbojoe

I dunno... Threat of imminent death?

But, but, but, they love death....Then they'll finally get some....

Right?

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The Kos Kidz like to call this technique “reframing.”

I like to call it "horseshit."

So, the Kossers think that the casualty decline is solely due to a ceasefire? Are you kidding me? Why would they engage in a ceasefire if they were getting what they wanted before the Surge and ongoing crackdown against the militias.

Isn't it also curious how the number of mass casualty bombings is down significantly as well - due to al Qaeda's decimation? Or, like a poorly done Jedi mind trick, do these folks think that al Qaeda isn't in Iraq and that we had nothing to do with the declines in casualties?

Well, sure enough, they think we have done nothing right in Iraq - from the invasion, ousting a brutal dictator, freeing 25 million to consider a path different than Islamofascism and brutal dictatorships, to defeating al Qaeda that was both present in Iraq before 2003 and who came after 2003's invasion.

They are so wedded to the point that we lost, that they've got to adjust their view to claim that we had nothing to do with actually winning.

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re: #22 coquimbojoe

re: #20 Piglet-U93

re: #5 just another four-letter word

They call it "re-framing". I call it "reality avoidance". Otherwise known as "failure to recognize reality". Lotsa terms for it, but the Kos Kiddies have cornered the market for this kind of Loony Tunes stuff.

What next, I wonder?

JAFLW

Otherwise commonly know as "Cognitive Dissonance".

Or, anal-cranial impaction.

The physical definition as opposed to the mental definition, both are correct.

The Kos Kiddies view themselves as warriors against the stupid intolerant.

"the Mahdi Army of Muqtada al-Sadr has declared a cease-fire."

Of course, then you have to ask why would the brave jihadis feel the need to declare a cease-fire....

Koslings?

Yup, just like Israeli casualties of palestinian mass murder are down because hamas has benevolently enacted some sort of "truce." The security barrier and Israel's continually improving security measures designed to keep would-be terrorists at bay have nothing to do with it...

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"Mookie", as I like to call him, and his ARMY, where having their proverbial asses handed to them on a daily basis by both the US and the Iraqi populace as a whole. Know wonder he hightailed it to Iran for a little respite.

#23 smcg

He's a kind, caring Freedom Fighter only looking to throw out the Bushitler's war for oil invasion.

/Moonbat

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Granted the Mahdi Army has gone to ground, but that was with the realization that the Americans were no longer fighting on 2 fronts and could devote all of their attention to the Shia areas now. Maliki is not real happy that the military now wants to do to the Shia areas what we did to the Sunni areas and he does attempt to throw up some roadblocks. I do expect there to be an uptick in the violence in the areas controlled by the Mahdi Army and Al Sadr's followers as they go through their final death throes. The Shias are well supported by the Iranians, finanically and equipment and morale wise from the mullahs. The Americans cannot allow the Sadrists to simply remain quiet and buy into the false sense of normalcy that results. The Americans must root out the instigators and ensure that any cessation of hostilites is true peace and not just a trojan horse.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...] read the comments.Kucinich is the only true Democrat.

The bad thing is the same mentality my be running this country soon
F-ing libs just have no clue
(except raging clues)

re: #29 FLBuckeye

I have learned to apply 2 rolls of duct tape to my head before reading the comments at Kos.

That must really hurt when you take it off!

They (kos and his loons) are cheering for the losing team, so they have to come with excuses.....

Lovely bunch of maroons....

Though no connection to the surge

The UN just released a study, showing insurgents that have the same body temperature as their surrounding's all have called a cease fire.

sarc/

re: #7 NJDhockeyfan

The military experts at Daily Kos...

LOL

Yeah, isn't that sorta, oh I don't know, oxymoronic?

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re: #28 tfc3rid

Isn't Kos's military expert Gen. Wesley Clark?

Yikes!

You mean Creepy Clark?

I think he borrowed the shoulder pads for his suits from Linda Evans.

What a delusional bunch of of dolts liberals have become!

Here's some video of a Mahadi cease fire in action. Those poor Mahdi revolutionaries.

For liberals's it's ok to condone violence if there is a "resistance" but if it's out own people then war is evil. How convenient. It's a complete double standard. Where is the NYT head line. 3 Mahdi insurgents die in a rocket and 30mm gun Apache attack. Zero. Or where's the LA Times page where a UAV spots a truck load of insurgents planting IED's and get wiped by an Apache.

Man! The Apache has got to be a Jihadist worse nightmare. Expect the Dems to cut funding on those first thing when they get the presidency.

Speaking of "re-framing", did you know our foreign escapades are making our fighters old?
They can't resist adding "context"

The unusual stand down comes as Air Force leaders acknowledge the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have hurt readiness and cut into modernization of fighters, bombers, tankers and cargo jets.

Um...

1. No "Air Force leader" is ever going to pass up an opportunity to say that the USAF needs new toys.

2. The people responsible for "cutting into modernization" (modernization being properly defined as "buying new planes") are, in order,
A. Congress.
B. Congress.
C. Congress.

3. If grounding planes because some of them are getting old and falling apart in mid-air qualifies as "unusual", then our intrepid article writer needs to make a few phone calls to people who know what the hell they're talking about.

If Surge is working, then why are we still there?

That question will spin a GOPers head

Uh- kosling? For one- because the Iraqis can't do it by themselves yet. We have to finish training them.

/My head didn't even turn.

Any comment from Dingy Harry?

Maybe he'll say the war isn't lost - just in a state of "re-framing."

re: #49 beens21

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...] read the comments.Kucinich is the only true Democrat.

Hitch a ride on a UFO and go run for president on planet Spengo.

The main reframing effort right now is about Pakistan. Islamofascists and their useful idiots in the West are mounting a major offensive, IMO. I don't think we'll capitalize on this opportunity.

I logged in at dKos expecting my account to possibly be banned over a comment I made at the "Convert to Islam to End the War on Terror" thread (remember it?) and to my surprise I found no troll ratings and one recommend.

However, there was another comment there that may have been addressing me (can't be sure):

I've never seen a more blatant example of trolling by a Republican weasel from LGF or the Free Republic. "HURR HURR THIS IS HOW LIBERALS THINK LET'S SURRENDER".

Religion is idiotic, I would never convert to any religion, especially one as restrictive as Islam.

No boos? My pale Irish ass would rather burn at the stake.

re: #59 Sharmuta

If Surge is working, then why are we still there?
That question will spin a GOPers head

Uh- kosling? For one- because the Iraqis can't do it by themselves yet. We have to finish training them.

/My head didn't even turn.

To the Kosling; because we're not done yet.

What a thrill it must be to post ones high school civics essay on KOS and be "published."

re: #61 Piglet-U93

re: #49 beens21

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...] read the comments.Kucinich is the only true Democrat.

Hitch a ride on a UFO and go run for president on planet Spengo.

And don't ever touch a light-grenade!

re: #51 Carl B

re: #29 FLBuckeye

I have learned to apply 2 rolls of duct tape to my head before reading the comments at Kos.

That must really hurt when you take it off!

The trick is to wrap some Saran Wrap around your head first.

I almost feel sorry for people like that who have such a delusional view of reality. Anything that doesn't fit into their warped sense of how things 'should be' is twisted in a ridiculous fashion so that it does. Disgusting, really.

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re: #66 The Other Les

re: #61 Piglet-U93

re: #49 beens21

[Link:

re: #66 The Other Les

re: #61 Piglet-U93

re: #49 beens21

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...] read the comments.Kucinich is the only true Democrat.

Hitch a ride on a UFO and go run for president on planet Spengo.

And don't ever touch a light-grenade!

Next (D) debate one question should be; "what are you going to do about chemtrails?"

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re: #66 The Other Les

re: #61 Piglet-U93

re: #49 beens21

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...] read the comments.Kucinich is the only true Democrat.

Hitch a ride on a UFO and go run for president on planet Spengo.

And don't ever touch a light-grenade!

The enlightened Kucinich would pick it up, for sure!

Mortars are also becoming less of a problem with C-Ram shooting down incomming shells. More video on th e C-Ram.

That budget will get cut also. Can't have our troops not dying, it's bad Democratic politics.

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re: #69 vxbush

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I find it amazing and disgusting for many here to speak of Hillary as if she is already the President. That woman is an extremely poor candidate with more skeletons in her closet than Jeffery Dahmer. All of the Republican candidates are better candidates, and better people (with the very real exception of "he who shall not be named"). 40%+ of people say they will not support Hillary under ANY circumstances. She is just the latest version of McGovern, Carter, Kerry, and other socialists that were jettisoned for a reasonable candidate. All of the Democratic candidates have the weight of a bean fart.

So, shall we have none of that "when Hillary is president" crap? Thank you.

The unanswered (because it was unasked) question was,,,

Q) Why did the Mahdi Army call for a cease fire?
A) The "Army" was shrinking faster than George Costanzas manhood in the pool!

Q) Why was the army's size shrinking?
A) Not sure, but could have something to do with those darned highly trained, motivated American troops!

OT

I support Musharraf's new policy of jailing all of the Islamic sympathizers. Appointing secularists in all positions now recently made vacant. This should delay Islamic Fundamentalists from taking over the country and becoming a Taliban like state.

Just read a report that Sadr is complaining bitterly about the numbers of his 'army' being arrested, or captured.
How long do you think it will be after the surge is so obviously successful that the ' lost' crowd claims conspiracy in the timing of the surge.
Bush, don't you see, timed the surge to succeed in order to effect the the '08 elections.

OT

continued:

After the secularists are in place Musharraf will restore the constitution and elections will be held and he and Bhuto will compete for the presidency. Thats the way I see it going down.

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re: #74 Egfrow

Mortars are also becoming less of a problem with C-Ram

I would also like to ask the KosKiddies how, If Iraq was a war for oil, why gas is so freaking expensive. Shouldn't oil be dirt cheap, according to their theories?

The fact that we can't build new refirnies or drill for our own oil has nothing to do with it in the world of the KosKiddies. Or build new nuclear power plants, or coal, or wind, or dams, or well you get the idea.

Remember, we already elected one looney-lib UFO-spotter to the White House, and we know how that ended up.

re: #85 lawhawk

re: #74 Egfrow

Mortars are also becoming less of a problem with C-Ram shooting down incomming shells. More video on th e C-Ram.

That budget will get cut also. Can't have our troops not dying, it's bad Democratic politics.

It's R2D2 with an attitude.

I've seen videos of this in action. I would not want to be in the air against one of these. this technology should not be sold to any Islamic nation ever.

The Mahdi Army always declares cease-fires. This isn't the first and probably not the last. The reason he declared a cease fire (this time) is because he knew he would lose his army if he fought against the surge. Evry time the Mahdi Army goes toe to toe with the Americans, they get crushed. He's evil, not stupid. Thus, the surge is the reason for the fall in casualties. Even monkeys can discern cause and effect. Duh.

What a coincidence: Saddam, Husay and Quesay also have undeclared, informal cease-fires in place.

#45 saberry0530

"Mookie", as I like to call him, and his ARMY, where having their proverbial asses handed to them on a daily basis by both the US and the Iraqi populace as a whole. Know wonder he hightailed it to Iran for a little respite.
______________________________________________

EXACTLY!

Mookie actually ran away TWICE. And he called for recent cease fire, after US surge was announced, and then scurried off to Iran. Because he knew there was going to be a major ass-kicking on his dance card.

Brave Sir Mookie ran away,
He bravely ran away, away...

You know the rest.

.

The opening is really revealing into the liberal mindset:

As U.S. casualties have continued to drop, many people on the anti-Bush side of the aisle have begun to quietly panic in recent days...

In other words: "Oh sh*t, we are winning!"

--
GW

At least they didn't say it was the UFOs

Could we credit blackwater and halliburton?

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Looks like Koz backed Osama's weak horse.

re: #95 chinesearithmetic

Looks like Koz backed Osama's weak horse.

Actually, the strong horse is a bigger target.

Can I thusly 'refrain' from calling the Kos Kidz patriotic human beings now?

re: #79 maddogg

I find it amazing and disgusting for many here to speak of Hillary as if she is already the President. That woman is an extremely poor candidate with more skeletons in her closet than Jeffery Dahmer. All of the Republican candidates are better candidates, and better people (with the very real exception of "he who shall not be named"). 40%+ of people say they will not support Hillary under ANY circumstances. She is just the latest version of McGovern, Carter, Kerry, and other socialists that were jettisoned for a reasonable candidate. All of the Democratic candidates have the weight of a bean fart.

So, shall we have none of that "when Hillary is president" crap? Thank you.

The mainstream media actively supports Hillary Clinton, so those skeletons will stay in the closet or only appear in the "right wing attack machine" of blogs and talk radio.

The election will be about The First Female/Black President versus some evil conservative white male. It will be a referendum on how "progressive" and "enlightened" America is. That's how the media will frame it and how it will be played out.

A Republican can still win. It will depend on the candidate. Imho Rudy Giuliani has a decent chance, but even he can't take anything for granted.

re: #85 lawhawk

re: #74 Egfrow

Mortars are also becoming less of a problem with C-Ram shooting down incomming shells. More video on th e C-Ram.

That budget will get cut also. Can't have our troops not dying, it's bad Democratic politics.

It's R2D2 with an attitude.

I love the sound that thing makes!

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re: #10 EC Marm

It's tough to consider them 'military experts' when their only weapon is a bong.

A bong would make a pretty good club.

Have to re-post this:
Top 10 NYT Headlines on Declining Troop Deaths

Long thread already, and I haven't read each and every comment so maybe somebody has already asked/answered this question, but...

Wasn't the dominant lefty narrative about recent gains something along the lines of "well, yeah, violence is down, but the main goal was defined by Chimpy McHitlerburton as political progress, and we've seen NONE of THAT."

Well, maybe I'm just a minion of Georgie McEvilChimpAntichrist, but it seems to me that the KosTard is freely admitting that we've managed to make BIG progress on exactly the front that the lefties have been so recently harping on.

I say...good job all around. We've pretty much got it in the bag as long as we finish the thing out.

The Kos Diarist Brandon Friedman writes:

“ . . . as far as I can tell, no one is connecting the dots.”

“Muqtada al-Sadr announced that he had
“ ordered his militia to suspend offensive operations for six months.”
No one saw this coming.”

Connect the dots, in sequence, Brandon.
1. Mookie had mounted up his posse a couple of times a couple of years previously to fight the US, and had been severely spanked
2. Mookie had fled Iraq, due to fear of being captured by the US
3. Mookie had recently returned to Iraq, due to fear of losing control of his militia
4. The Surge was working, and Mookie knew it

Given this picture of connected dots, what other course of action did Mookie have?

The rest of Brandon’s article falls apart due to this failure in reading comprehension and dot-connecting skills.

Kos really should apply literate educated adult supervision to those who “promote” diaries (SusanG).

Otherwise, we might soon see a version of the John Edwards Hillary! "Drivers License" political ad expose starring a Kos kast.

With success in Iraq, the Leftards will be left with "yeah, things are better in Iraq, but where is Osama?"

re: #102 Dan

Wasn't the dominant lefty narrative about recent gains something along the lines of "well, yeah, violence is down, but the main goal was defined by Chimpy McHitlerburton as political progress, and we've seen NONE of THAT."

Well, maybe I'm just a minion of Georgie McEvilChimpAntichrist, but it seems to me that the KosTard is freely admitting that we've managed to make BIG progress on exactly the front that the lefties have been so recently harping on.

No! They NEVER "harped" on any such thing. That is a blatant Neocon lie!
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See how easy that was?

Koslings are teh funnay.

re: #99 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #85 lawhawk

re: #74 Egfrow

Mortars are also becoming less of a problem with C-Ram shooting down incomming shells. More video on th e C-Ram.

That budget will get cut also. Can't have our troops not dying, it's bad Democratic politics.

It's R2D2 with an attitude.

I love the sound that thing makes!

Have you seen Metal Storm? Check out the videos.

All you need to know -

Kos + "Reframing" = Lies.

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re: #14 alpheus

Daily Ko(ok)s; When braincells go horribly wrong!

Your brain cells on Kos: *frying egg sound*

re: #21 coquimbojoe

It must hurt to have to always be reaching for a reason to believe in something.

They make my brain itch.

Think about sandpaper.
-Steven Wright

re: #103 Arbalest

The Kos Diarist Brandon Friedman writes:

“ . . . as far as I can tell, no one is connecting the dots.”

“Muqtada al-Sadr announced that he had “ordered his militia to suspend offensive operations for six months.

”No one saw this coming."

Connect the dots, in sequence, Brandon.

1. Mookie had mounted up his posse a couple of times a couple of years previously to fight the US, and had been severely spanked
2. Mookie had fled Iraq, due to fear of being captured by the US
3. Mookie had recently returned to Iraq, due to fear of losing control of his militia
4. The Surge was working, and Mookie knew it

Given this picture of connected dots, what other course of action did Mookie have?

Heh. Because BRANDON didn't see it coming, blinded as he is by his "progressive" political beliefs, doesn't mean "no one saw this coming."

Your points are all well and true, however, the Koslings will deny them altogether, claiming our soldiers and Marines have NEVER been able to defeat the Mahdi Army, but instead, have consistantly been "spanked" by them.

re: #82 littleO

Just read a report that Sadr is complaining bitterly about the numbers of his 'army' being arrested, or captured.
How long do you think it will be after the surge is so obviously successful that the ' lost' crowd claims conspiracy in the timing of the surge.
Bush, don't you see, timed the surge to succeed in order to effect the the '08 elections.

It wasn't Pres. Bush. It was ROVE. Last thing he did before leaving.

re: #69 vxbush

re: #67 Tigger2005

[adds Saran Wrap to shopping list next to duct tape]

ROFLMAO!

re: #107 Ward Cleaver

All you need to know -

Kos + "Reframing" = Lies.

Despite their once-big talk of "bringing down the DLC", the Clintons have taught them well.

Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.

Ronald Reagan 27 October 1964, Los Angeles, CA

"The Surge" is but one of many parts that have lead to where Iraq is today, and where Iraq will be tomorrow.

I have watched the Left, Right, the Middle, the looney left, the hard right, all pass down their opinions day after day since this War began.

The bottom line is that the War against Saddam Hussein was incredibly successful. Our