Thank you Gambini!

Perception is not reality and reality tends to rear up and show itself.

Oh, jeppo... Do you still care to defend these Nazis?

So a film showing Filip De Winter trying to lay flowers on the SS graves, huh. Nothing to worry about. Let's be allies!

/SARCASM

I think this is an excerpt (with English subtitles) of the hour-long documentary posted on BabbaZee's site: "La face cachee du Vlaams Blok" (the hidden face of teh Flemish Block).

Here is the link to the whole thing (for thos of us who understand French and/or Dutch):

RTBF is the French-speaking Belgian state TV channel, BTW.

Excellent Job on the translation and video!

I can watch only about half of this, then I get too angry.

Thank you Charles for all you did and you do to defend the great idea of the West that lives in the word FREEDOM.

Gerolf Annemans is still a member of Vlaams Belang.

Bringing flowers for nazis but deploring national socialism on tv. Sorry filip- actions speak louder than words.

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Bringing flowers for nazis but deploring national socialism on tv. Sorry filip- actions speak louder than words.

You now, we are not NUANCED enough to understand these fine [DELETED]...

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Francis Van den Eynde is still a member of Vlaams Belang.

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It's perverse these folks can't drop toxic ideologies as bad the islamofascism facing them. It's not helpful to anyone, much less themselves.

If folks can be de-Baathified, why can't Europeans drop their rotten ideas for freedom & liberty, much better propositions?

Roland Raes is still a member of Vlaams Belang.

CUT
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I now have serious questions for VB defenders, especially those who can speak Dutch.

(Yeah, I'm talkin' about the bj.)

It's incredible how they can be caught red-handed (like it says in the film), showing their support for SS and nazi collaborators, then turn around a few years later and say that "nationalistic" things "disgust" them. I suppose they thought that no one would ever do the research. Well, it's being done now, and I hope these creeps are put out of politics forever. The real heroes in the islamofascist fight don't need this kind of baggage.

/putting it mildly

Wow. Just friggin' wow.

Excellent job Charles, Gambini, Babba, and the rest.

From the beginning this whole issue did not smell right. Some chose to deny there was a smell, and then claimed the smell was really not that bad, and how dare Charles say there is a smell.

There is no denying it - VB smells like shit.

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Just a bunch of American bumpkins.

And...since we don't bring flowers on the tombs of the SS, we must all be a bunch of commies...

:-(

More proof that we're all just a bunch of "intellectual hemophiliacs".

/major, super, ultra sarc

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Gerolf Annemans is still a member of Vlaams Belang.

So are pretty much all the "dramatis personae" in this video. I don't remember what happened to Xavier Buisseret after his conviction for molestation/statutory rape (2 counts). Roeland Raes was officially dismissed from all positions after his conviction for Shoah denial, but is shown in the full documentary to still walk around the party "research bureau" (which he used to head).

Oh irony, a Flemish extremist with a French name like Xavier Buisseret. But I have a better one still: at one point the VMO (Flemish Militant Order, mind you) had a French-speaking activist named Jean-Philippe Van Engeland...

Do some europeans believe Americans are naive thugs who can be relied on only when their idiotic socialized plans go really awry? We're the last minute bailout folks? They can spit on us and we'll still help them out?

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re: #10 Poitiers-Lepanto Hi there P-L! You know that we are not nuanced enough to understand these fine [DELETED]
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Hi ! How are you doing today ?

I was thinking about you and about our discussion.
Now that I have seen this video I am very confused about Pamela. What the heck !
You were right.

Racist by any other name would smell as foul.

The evidence is overwhelming and indisputable, the apologists have now fallen back to variations of "what's wrong with allying with nazis, we allied with Stalin... etc."

These are the earlier European edition of the "troofers" -- those who deny evil reality to feed their prejudices and fears; all to further their cause. Whether it's the evil of Islamofascism or racial purity / tribal nationalism evil must always be confronted whenever it is sighted.

If you try to get along and be nice, if you try not to rock boats, then evil wins.

Why do I have this feeling that either Brussels Journal or Mr. Minter (courtesy of Pajamas Media) will shortly be printing a rebuttal without even viewing the video?

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It's perverse these folks can't drop toxic ideologies as bad the islamofascism facing them. It's not helpful to anyone, much less themselves.

If folks can be de-Baathified, why can't Europeans drop their rotten ideas for freedom & liberty, much better propositions?

It's also perverse that they want to use the same tool our enemies use - identity politics - to advance their cause.

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Bringing flowers for nazis but deploring national socialism on tv. Sorry filip- actions speak louder than words.

The standard lame excuse for this sort of thing (which I've heard countless times in person from Flemish nationalists --- including those that preferred the more moderate Volksunie or even the near-perpetually governing Christian Democratic Party over the VB) is that these Flemish Legion dead were just "misled idealists" who paid the ultimate price for wanting to fight for Flanders and against Communism --- not necessarily for Nazism.

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Do some europeans believe Americans are naive thugs who can be relied on only when their idiotic socialized plans go really awry? We're the last minute bailout folks? They can spit on us and we'll still help them out?

Yes. Quite a few, actually. I've had the dubious fortune to have read the EU constitution (and the revisions). The 'defence' portion basically comes down to - wait for it - NATO. All the clucking about the EU defence force is just that - they can't fund it.

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I really, truly don't understand how anyone who takes the time to review ALL the research posted by Charles could possibly, in good faith, be confused about this anymore.

Elephant poo? What elephant poo? I dont smell anything.

/jeppo, Fjordman, et al

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Bringing flowers for nazis but deploring national socialism on tv. Sorry filip- actions speak louder than words.

The standard lame excuse for this sort of thing (which I've heard countless times in person from Flemish nationalists --- including those that preferred the more moderate Volksunie or even the near-perpetually governing Christian Democratic Party over the VB) is that these Flemish Legion dead were just "misled idealists" who paid the ultimate price for wanting to fight for Flanders and against Communism --- not necessarily for Nazism.

I have known some of the same garbage (volunteers with the nazi beast) in another European country....
They are as nazi as possible, no frigging "idealism", just THE beast as it exists...

This is a clip from the full length documentary in my post

thanks Gambini for the translation

BBL

OT but related to Euros & Fascism...one brave Euro who faces down Fascisti, his own countrymen in Spain's parliament in 1981, and today Hugo Chavez!

Spain's King Juan Carlos tells Venezuela's Hugo Chavez to shut up!

[Link: www.larazon.es...]

Viva Juan Carlos, speaking truth to power

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You know you guys are Saints for letting the world know about this, right? Saints, I tell you. Saints.

/but not the New Orleans Saints. :)

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Another whackily named VB politician, Karim van Overmeire:

[Link: www.karimvanovermeire.org...]

He explains that no, he is not a Muslim despite his first name, and definitely not a girl named Karin (very common Flemish 1st name), but that his parents were looking for a celebrity to name him after (they considered Nikita as in Khrushchev) and ended up naming him after the then Aga Khan.

BTW I just got called a leftist at my blog

LOL

I gotta go

{realwest}
check yer mail please..............

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Do some europeans believe Americans are naive thugs who can be relied on only when their idiotic socialized plans go really awry? We're the last minute bailout folks? They can spit on us and we'll still help them out?

Yes. Quite a few, actually. I've had the dubious fortune to have read the EU constitution (and the revisions). The 'defence' portion basically comes down to - wait for it - NATO. All the clucking about the EU defence force is just that - they can't fund it.

Then their all-socialism-all-the-time defense system is based on let the dumb Americans do the bailout. Any provision in there for us opting out of this nifty avocation? re:

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BTW I just got called a leftist at my blog

LOL

I gotta go

They think you're left-handed? I mean, that has to be it, right?

heh.

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Pamela's conflicted -- I can understand -- she worked hard to build something postive in unison with others, and then saw it fall apart; finding that she had been used and duped. It's easy to get defensive in cases like that. I'm not writing Pam off yet, although it's getting harder by the day.

This war is being fought at many levels: Culturally, Economically, Politically, Ideologically, and Kinetically - to focus overmuch on only one aspect is flawed strategy. To focus only on the social issues of identity politics as VB and other natioinalist parties do is to diminish the others and fall prey. The point is that they don't want to fight - they are in defensive mode by definition. VB wants to pull back into "Fortress Flanders" rather than engage the enemy on all fronts, as do all the European nationalist parties. I've had a few debates with Fjordman in the past on that, defense doesn't work, it merely delays.

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My son told me (in the midst of the trans-Atlantic war of words here) that he'd been to a punk rock gig and that the Jewish girl he took with him freaked out because several of the guys had swastika tattoos etc. (this was in LA). Several fights broke out. He was surprised she didn't know that punk shows always include a fair share of neo-nazis. I was horrified. He shrugged, 'They're mostly just kids being rebellious. It isn't really about ideology. '

Is what he said about the punk scene true? And kids or not, isn't a swastika tattoo on the neck a long term commitment to something besides body art?

re: #42 BabbaZee

BTW I just got called a leftist at my blog

LOL

I gotta go

Must be that dyslexic agnostic insomniac that lies awake at night pondering the existence of dog.

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My problem is that the Flemish were a great business-freedom loving middle ages group that worked and funded some good things that lead to the freedoms we celebrate today. The VB are too corrupt and too racist to be allowed to friggin'-up that good work. Confrontation is what clears the air of them and Islamofascist.

Keep up the good fight Lizards! Thanks for the information.

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FWIW, and I know that's not worth a lot, Charles is fighting the good fight. Anti-idiotarians have no business aligning ourselves with out-and-out racists.

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My second favorite joke. No 1: What is the definition of endless love?

Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder playing tennis?

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Is what he said about the punk scene true? And kids or not, isn't a swastika tattoo on the neck a long term commitment to something besides body art?

This is an old phenomenon in the punk scene. In the late 70s / early 80s the swastika and psuedo-SS militaria was big in the punk scene, because is was shocking, which is what punk is ALL about.

A lot of the punk scene, especially the "popular" punks like Siouxsie Sioux and the Go Gos, either dropped the Nazi schtick early on or never adopted it, partly because of the skinhead connection (no need to attract any of them if you don't have to), and partly because it was one of the early "done to death" ideas of the punk movement.

It's more a sign of mindless rebellion than ideological commitment, at least for most of them. Kind of like Che t-shirts.

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In Flanders fields the poppies grow....along with the headstones of UK/US troops row upon row

Why can't these Euro idiots fight for something worthwhile instead of vile separatist sectarian "movements" that retard freedom & liberty?

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You know things must be going well in Iraq when you see stories like this.

Shy Baghdad men reaching for sex stimulants

BAGHDAD (AFP) - Vendors of sexual stimulants in Baghdad's markets report brisk business, saying Iraqi men, battling a sense of impotence in the face of raging violence, are overcoming shyness to test latest products.

"These days, large numbers of people of different ages come to our stalls or go to pharmacies to buy these drugs," said vendor Abu Saad beside the colourful array of creams, gels, sprays and pills at his stall in central Baghdad's Bab al-Sharji market.

"I think men are turning to sexual fortifiers due to the frustration the Iraqi society is suffering because of the collapsed security situation," said Saad.

"Some men buy these drugs because they need them psychologically -- not because they are impotent. But others of my clients are old and need the drugs to overcome their impotence."

While some men are happy to ask him direct questions about his products, others squirm with embarrassment and wait until no one else is around before making inquiries, he said.

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Meanwhile VB has applied a very effective wedge, but the votes to make it stick came from the Christian Democrats, who might actually be coming to their senses after VB's latest electoral victories.
Here's an article on the separation from the Wallonian view.

Most French people in the region bordering Belgium would like to see France re-unite with Belgium's francophone region if the country breaks apart, according to an opinion poll published on Saturday.

Talks to form a new government in Belgium have dragged on for some 150 days since elections in June, and the absence of an agreement has prompted speculation that the country might split along linguistic fault lines.

A poll released before Sunday's publication of Le Journal du Dimanche said that 54 percent of those questioned wanted the mainly French-speaking southern Belgian region of Wallonia incorporated into France if a breakup occurred.

The region was briefly absorbed into the French empire after the 1789 revolution, but it has few happy memories for France because it was there, at Waterloo, that Napoleon suffered his final defeat in 1815 by a British army and its German allies.

The land was subsequently attached to the Netherlands until modern Belgium took shape in 1830.

The wedge issue is repartition of districts around Brussels, this drove the coalition talks to a standstill. It's likely there will be a split, and after all is said and done it might be worth it just to end the fighting between the F's and the W's that drives the support to the extremist parties.

I'm so sick of these Euros' problems, seemingly exacerbated by too much vacation & sick-leave-in-health-spas and cradle to grave caretaking governments.

Viva Sarko the Americaine for having his priorities straight--not socialist sectarian separatism.

May more Euros take after Sarko than Marshall Tito the Yugoslavian Fascist who united Croats/Serbs and others under his boot.

Who is Gambino?

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Thanks for that. I guess it's a relief of some sort.

Back In The Day, fights would often break out between Neo Nazis who came to the punk scene and the rest of the Punks.

If it makes you feel better, the skinheads were almost always outnumbered and almost always lost. :)

It's unfortunate, but a "scene" often attracts Bad Actors, kind of like the topic of this discussion...

Sorry, who is Ganbini?

Gambini?

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ruh roh, Horst Wessel-type song sung in '07....
scay. Things ae a lot deeper and more complicated over there.
I have this dutch fellow I know. He is very wealthy and lived as a kid in Holland in WWII. Yet he never became a US Citizen, and is highly critical of the USA. He came here with nothing and with prodigious effort became very well-off. He has no thanks for the uS tho. Holland is his big deal,a country that fed him sawdust bread. And later becasue he was Jewish, hunted hs family down.
feh to him

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I did want to add, on-topic, that I understand how this brouhaha got started. The "not-anti-VB" forces had put a lot of effort into a fragile Euro coalition and took questions about VB as "friendly fire," an all-too-common phenomenon.

It has dragged on further (and deeper) than I expected, however.

Which makes it harder for people to let it go, apologize, introspect, whatever.

Combine that with the general "get attention by being "edgy"" nature of blogging, and this has that old "big wedge" feel to it.

Sadly.

Another WN cross for Dewinter.

This whole reeking mess has brought out that there are many rotten apples hiding out in the anti-jihad movement, not just crypto- nazis, neo-nazis, but racists of all kinds. Notice some of the guys that got the stick here then send angry emails to Charles talking about how "the south will rise again" ( Sodra Djav?) and similar epithets that suggest they wish for the anti-jihadi movement to be a lily-white, non-Jewish nationalistic affair. We know who our enemy is and we have to be very vigilant in the motives of those who jump on the anti-jihad bandwagon.

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ruh roh, Horst Wessel-type song sung in '07....
scay. Things ae a lot deeper and more complicated over there.
I have this dutch fellow I know. He is very wealthy and lived as a kid in Holland in WWII. Yet he never became a US Citizen, and is highly critical of the USA. He came here with nothing and with prodigious effort became very well-off. He has no thanks for the uS tho. Holland is his big deal,a country that fed him sawdust bread. And later becasue he was Jewish, hunted hs family down.
feh to him

I'm afraid I don't remember how I found this blog, so I can't give credit where credit is due. However, you might want to use it to torment your Dutch buddy.

Bad News from the Netherlands.

Delicious!

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You know you guys are Saints for letting the world know about this, right? Saints, I tell you. Saints.

More particularly, prophets. And persecution comes with that territory.

I'll say it again. This could get VERY ugly. If a significant portion of the A-J movement locks arms with these VB types, then CAIR and their lapdogs the MSM will use that to discredit the movement, and they will gleefully use these LGF/Babba materials, so conveniently supplied and from an unimpeachably hostile source ("even LGF, our enemy, admits that...").

If that happens, get ready for Charles and LGF to be called the Judas of the movement, unwitting tools of the Islamists.

There are major players in the A-J movement who have so far said little about this fracas, apparently trying to remain above the fray. Some of them surely agree with Charles. They need to speak up.

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Here's a picture (The one with the red border) of Dewinter and Van den Eynde posing with a croation named Verreycken? Any clue who he is?
Is that a swastika on that frag in the background?

Not Croatian, but (now retired) Flemish VB senator Wim Verreycken

[Link: nl.wikipedia.org...]

He's a member of the "pagan" wing of the VB, you could say.

Caveat Lector (reader beware) re: the Blokbuster site, of course: one of the crimes they throw in the face of the Blok on that page is marching in a parade with a "Bush is right - stop Islamoterror" sign:
[Link: www.lsp-mas.be...]

The flag in the background is the official Croatian flag: the object in the middle was (depressingly) also the emblem of the WW II era pro-Nazi group the Ustasha.

The Ustasha has the rare distinction (which they share with the Hungarian Arrow Cross) that they managed to gross out even hardened Nazis.

Wow.

Tariq Ramadan appointed professor of Islamology

THE HAGUE, 07/11/07 - Tariq Ramadan is to hold the Sultan of Oman chair of Islamology at the University of Leiden. Education and Culture Minister Ronald Plasterk said yesterday in the Lower House that he does not object to Ramadan's appointment.

The Party for Freedom (PVV) complained that "the sultan of an Islamo-fascist dictatorial state" is paying 2.5 million euros to win influence at a Dutch university. PVV MP Bosma added that Ramadan does not reject stoning of women and wants to destroy Israel. The conservatives (VVD) also suggested that Ramadan poses a risk to national security.

But Plasterk was unimpressed: "We live in a free country. (...) I have no judgement on the university's selection methods", said the Labour (PvdA) minister. "As far as I know Ramadan does reject the stoning of women", said Plasterk, who in addition called him an "interesting" man.

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