Thank you Gambini!

Perception is not reality and reality tends to rear up and show itself.

Oh, jeppo... Do you still care to defend these Nazis?

So a film showing Filip De Winter trying to lay flowers on the SS graves, huh. Nothing to worry about. Let's be allies!

/SARCASM

I think this is an excerpt (with English subtitles) of the hour-long documentary posted on BabbaZee's site: "La face cachee du Vlaams Blok" (the hidden face of teh Flemish Block).

Here is the link to the whole thing (for thos of us who understand French and/or Dutch):

RTBF is the French-speaking Belgian state TV channel, BTW.

Excellent Job on the translation and video!

I can watch only about half of this, then I get too angry.

Thank you Charles for all you did and you do to defend the great idea of the West that lives in the word FREEDOM.

Gerolf Annemans is still a member of Vlaams Belang.

Bringing flowers for nazis but deploring national socialism on tv. Sorry filip- actions speak louder than words.

re: #9 Sharmuta

Bringing flowers for nazis but deploring national socialism on tv. Sorry filip- actions speak louder than words.

You now, we are not NUANCED enough to understand these fine [DELETED]...

re: #10 Poitiers-Lepanto

Just a bunch of American bumpkins.

Francis Van den Eynde is still a member of Vlaams Belang.

re: #10 Poitiers-Lepanto Hi there P-L! You know that we are not nuanced enough to understand these fine [DELETED]
;>'

It's perverse these folks can't drop toxic ideologies as bad the islamofascism facing them. It's not helpful to anyone, much less themselves.

If folks can be de-Baathified, why can't Europeans drop their rotten ideas for freedom & liberty, much better propositions?

Roland Raes is still a member of Vlaams Belang.

CUT
IN,
R

I now have serious questions for VB defenders, especially those who can speak Dutch.

(Yeah, I'm talkin' about the bj.)

It's incredible how they can be caught red-handed (like it says in the film), showing their support for SS and nazi collaborators, then turn around a few years later and say that "nationalistic" things "disgust" them. I suppose they thought that no one would ever do the research. Well, it's being done now, and I hope these creeps are put out of politics forever. The real heroes in the islamofascist fight don't need this kind of baggage.

/putting it mildly

Wow. Just friggin' wow.

Excellent job Charles, Gambini, Babba, and the rest.

From the beginning this whole issue did not smell right. Some chose to deny there was a smell, and then claimed the smell was really not that bad, and how dare Charles say there is a smell.

There is no denying it - VB smells like shit.

re: #11 Sharmuta

re: #10 Poitiers-Lepanto

Just a bunch of American bumpkins.

And...since we don't bring flowers on the tombs of the SS, we must all be a bunch of commies...

:-(

More proof that we're all just a bunch of "intellectual hemophiliacs".

/major, super, ultra sarc

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Gerolf Annemans is still a member of Vlaams Belang.

So are pretty much all the "dramatis personae" in this video. I don't remember what happened to Xavier Buisseret after his conviction for molestation/statutory rape (2 counts). Roeland Raes was officially dismissed from all positions after his conviction for Shoah denial, but is shown in the full documentary to still walk around the party "research bureau" (which he used to head).

Oh irony, a Flemish extremist with a French name like Xavier Buisseret. But I have a better one still: at one point the VMO (Flemish Militant Order, mind you) had a French-speaking activist named Jean-Philippe Van Engeland...

Do some europeans believe Americans are naive thugs who can be relied on only when their idiotic socialized plans go really awry? We're the last minute bailout folks? They can spit on us and we'll still help them out?

re: #13 realwest

re: #10 Poitiers-Lepanto Hi there P-L! You know that we are not nuanced enough to understand these fine [DELETED]
;>'

Hi ! How are you doing today ?

I was thinking about you and about our discussion.
Now that I have seen this video I am very confused about Pamela. What the heck !
You were right.

Racist by any other name would smell as foul.

The evidence is overwhelming and indisputable, the apologists have now fallen back to variations of "what's wrong with allying with nazis, we allied with Stalin... etc."

These are the earlier European edition of the "troofers" -- those who deny evil reality to feed their prejudices and fears; all to further their cause. Whether it's the evil of Islamofascism or racial purity / tribal nationalism evil must always be confronted whenever it is sighted.

If you try to get along and be nice, if you try not to rock boats, then evil wins.

Why do I have this feeling that either Brussels Journal or Mr. Minter (courtesy of Pajamas Media) will shortly be printing a rebuttal without even viewing the video?

re: #14 alegrias

It's perverse these folks can't drop toxic ideologies as bad the islamofascism facing them. It's not helpful to anyone, much less themselves.

If folks can be de-Baathified, why can't Europeans drop their rotten ideas for freedom & liberty, much better propositions?

It's also perverse that they want to use the same tool our enemies use - identity politics - to advance their cause.

re: #23 Poitiers-Lepanto I'm doing ok, thanks.
And you (besides maybe being confused about Pamela)?
I really, truly don't understand how anyone who takes the time to review ALL the research posted by Charles could possibly, in good faith, be confused about this anymore.

re: #9 Sharmuta

Bringing flowers for nazis but deploring national socialism on tv. Sorry filip- actions speak louder than words.

The standard lame excuse for this sort of thing (which I've heard countless times in person from Flemish nationalists --- including those that preferred the more moderate Volksunie or even the near-perpetually governing Christian Democratic Party over the VB) is that these Flemish Legion dead were just "misled idealists" who paid the ultimate price for wanting to fight for Flanders and against Communism --- not necessarily for Nazism.

re: #22 debutaunt

Do some europeans believe Americans are naive thugs who can be relied on only when their idiotic socialized plans go really awry? We're the last minute bailout folks? They can spit on us and we'll still help them out?

Yes. Quite a few, actually. I've had the dubious fortune to have read the EU constitution (and the revisions). The 'defence' portion basically comes down to - wait for it - NATO. All the clucking about the EU defence force is just that - they can't fund it.

re: #28 realwest

I'm OK, thanks.

I don't understand either.

And I feel guilty, because I DO come from Europe, and I should have told my story in public, and let people know how deep is the problem of politics in there.
It could have helped someone.
It sounds like a GIANT patronizing but now I really feel guilty.

I will think about this.

/gotta go, my strange shifts at work are calling...

re: #28 realwest

re: #23 Poitiers-Lepanto
I really, truly don't understand how anyone who takes the time to review ALL the research posted by Charles could possibly, in good faith, be confused about this anymore.

Elephant poo? What elephant poo? I dont smell anything.

/jeppo, Fjordman, et al

re: #21 Former Belgian

As far as I can tell Xavier Buisseret didn't make the transition from Vlaams Blok to Vlaams Belang.

What a cast of characters.

re: #17 gop_patriot

What do you mean caught red handed? VMO and Voorpost connections to VB have long been known, but I doubt they currently have much association anymore to the party.

re: #29 Former Belgian

re: #9 Sharmuta

Bringing flowers for nazis but deploring national socialism on tv. Sorry filip- actions speak louder than words.

The standard lame excuse for this sort of thing (which I've heard countless times in person from Flemish nationalists --- including those that preferred the more moderate Volksunie or even the near-perpetually governing Christian Democratic Party over the VB) is that these Flemish Legion dead were just "misled idealists" who paid the ultimate price for wanting to fight for Flanders and against Communism --- not necessarily for Nazism.

I have known some of the same garbage (volunteers with the nazi beast) in another European country....
They are as nazi as possible, no frigging "idealism", just THE beast as it exists...

This is a clip from the full length documentary in my post

thanks Gambini for the translation

BBL

OT but related to Euros & Fascism...one brave Euro who faces down Fascisti, his own countrymen in Spain's parliament in 1981, and today Hugo Chavez!

Spain's King Juan Carlos tells Venezuela's Hugo Chavez to shut up!

[Link: www.larazon.es...]

Viva Juan Carlos, speaking truth to power

re: #26 realwest

Or a link to a blog where someone gives his opinion about a video he hasn't seen.

You know you guys are Saints for letting the world know about this, right? Saints, I tell you. Saints.

/but not the New Orleans Saints. :)

re: #30 wahabicorridor Hey there! How are ya doing? IF you get some time, drop me an e-mail and let me know how your research and writing are coming along (and bless you for having the fortitude to read the EU constitution (and the revisions thereto!)!
And why do I have the feeling that when they say "NATO" they mean the US ?!

Another whackily named VB politician, Karim van Overmeire:

[Link: www.karimvanovermeire.org...]

He explains that no, he is not a Muslim despite his first name, and definitely not a girl named Karin (very common Flemish 1st name), but that his parents were looking for a celebrity to name him after (they considered Nikita as in Khrushchev) and ended up naming him after the then Aga Khan.

BTW I just got called a leftist at my blog

LOL

I gotta go

{realwest}
check yer mail please..............

re: #38 Josephine Ah yeah, that too!

30 wahabicorridor 11/10/07 10:39:40 am reply quote report 0

re: #22 debutaunt

Do some europeans believe Americans are naive thugs who can be relied on only when their idiotic socialized plans go really awry? We're the last minute bailout folks? They can spit on us and we'll still help them out?

Yes. Quite a few, actually. I've had the dubious fortune to have read the EU constitution (and the revisions). The 'defence' portion basically comes down to - wait for it - NATO. All the clucking about the EU defence force is just that - they can't fund it.

Then their all-socialism-all-the-time defense system is based on let the dumb Americans do the bailout. Any provision in there for us opting out of this nifty avocation? re: #30 wahabicorridor

re: #42 BabbaZee
YOU, a LEFTIST? LOL!
bye!

re: #34 thecapitalist

re: #17 gop_patriot

What do you mean caught red handed? VMO and Voorpost connections to VB have long been known, but I doubt they currently have much association anymore to the party.

Umm... that was Filip Dewinter himself who was caught red-handed.

(If you don't know who Filip Dewinter is, I suggest you read through some of the links provided above.)

re: #42 BabbaZee

BTW I just got called a leftist at my blog

LOL

I gotta go

They think you're left-handed? I mean, that has to be it, right?

heh.

re: #31 Poitiers-Lepanto P-L - guilty? About telling your own story?
No - but perhaps you'd consider telling it now, or at least soon.

Anyway, lunch calls and I'm HUNGRY! LOL!
Hope to see y'all down the road!

re: #29 Former Belgian

"misled idealists"

Best blanket excuse ever. And it can even be applied as a double standard! It's a positive when applied to these nazi collaborators, but it's a bad thing when applied to un-nuanced Americans who've bought into "disinformation".

Pamela's conflicted -- I can understand -- she worked hard to build something postive in unison with others, and then saw it fall apart; finding that she had been used and duped. It's easy to get defensive in cases like that. I'm not writing Pam off yet, although it's getting harder by the day.

This war is being fought at many levels: Culturally, Economically, Politically, Ideologically, and Kinetically - to focus overmuch on only one aspect is flawed strategy. To focus only on the social issues of identity politics as VB and other natioinalist parties do is to diminish the others and fall prey. The point is that they don't want to fight - they are in defensive mode by definition. VB wants to pull back into "Fortress Flanders" rather than engage the enemy on all fronts, as do all the European nationalist parties. I've had a few debates with Fjordman in the past on that, defense doesn't work, it merely delays.

re: #45 debutaunt

Then their all-socialism-all-the-time defense system is based on let the dumb Americans do the bailout. Any provision in there for us opting out of this nifty avocation?

Tempting thought, I agree, but no, that hydra of a document is all about them. It is MORE than telling that Sarko wants to bring France back into NATO.

My son told me (in the midst of the trans-Atlantic war of words here) that he'd been to a punk rock gig and that the Jewish girl he took with him freaked out because several of the guys had swastika tattoos etc. (this was in LA). Several fights broke out. He was surprised she didn't know that punk shows always include a fair share of neo-nazis. I was horrified. He shrugged, 'They're mostly just kids being rebellious. It isn't really about ideology. '

Is what he said about the punk scene true? And kids or not, isn't a swastika tattoo on the neck a long term commitment to something besides body art?

re: #42 BabbaZee

BTW I just got called a leftist at my blog

LOL

I gotta go

Must be that dyslexic agnostic insomniac that lies awake at night pondering the existence of dog.

re: #53 undhimmicratic

The ignorant make easy prey for opportunists.

My problem is that the Flemish were a great business-freedom loving middle ages group that worked and funded some good things that lead to the freedoms we celebrate today. The VB are too corrupt and too racist to be allowed to friggin'-up that good work. Confrontation is what clears the air of them and Islamofascist.

Keep up the good fight Lizards! Thanks for the information.

re: #34 thecapitalist

re: #17 gop_patriot

What do you mean caught red handed? VMO and Voorpost connections to VB have long been known, but I doubt they currently have much association anymore to the party.

There are links to them from VB sites, they advertise for their rallies in VB magazine, and voorpost is still the organizing entitiy for the contacts with the other nationalist parties through the youth organization, VBJ. There were links to the VMO site as well. They might have taken them down now, but they were there a couple weeks back.

FWIW, and I know that's not worth a lot, Charles is fighting the good fight. Anti-idiotarians have no business aligning ourselves with out-and-out racists.

re: #41 Former Belgian

Here's a picture (The one with the red border) of Dewinter and Van den Eynde posing with a croation named Verreycken? Any clue who he is?
Is that a swastika on that frag in the background?

re: #53 undhimmicratic

Is what he said about the punk scene true?

Pretty much. That's why we call them 'punks' But Sharmuta is right. Stupid kids who think that crap is somehow 'empowering' are ripe fruit.

re: #53 undhimmicratic

'They're mostly just kids being rebellious. It isn't really about ideology

You're 17. What can you do to really tick dad off? A swastika tattoo should do it.
No proof of this, just opinion, FWIW.

re: #59 Killgore Trout

It looks like the Croatian Flag, Hon.

re: #54 jcm
My second favorite joke. No 1: What is the definition of endless love?

re: #59 Killgore Trout

Is that a swastika on that frag in the background?

I think it's the Croatian Flag

re: #34 thecapitalist

Regarding VB's current association with Voorpost: This photo was taken October 22, 2007, I can't quite make out what is written on the yellow signs. Can you?

re: #63 Jim in Virginia

re: #54 jcm
My second favorite joke. No 1: What is the definition of endless love?

Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder playing tennis?

re: #62 Sharmuta

Ah it's a crappy picture. I guess what I'm seeing there is the crossed anchors. Any clue who the guy in the middle is?

re: #47 konservo

Dewinter's street brawling look to me like the actions of an opportunistic politician.

re: #66 jcm

Give the man a prize.

re: #53 undhimmicratic

Is what he said about the punk scene true? And kids or not, isn't a swastika tattoo on the neck a long term commitment to something besides body art?

This is an old phenomenon in the punk scene. In the late 70s / early 80s the swastika and psuedo-SS militaria was big in the punk scene, because is was shocking, which is what punk is ALL about.

A lot of the punk scene, especially the "popular" punks like Siouxsie Sioux and the Go Gos, either dropped the Nazi schtick early on or never adopted it, partly because of the skinhead connection (no need to attract any of them if you don't have to), and partly because it was one of the early "done to death" ideas of the punk movement.

It's more a sign of mindless rebellion than ideological commitment, at least for most of them. Kind of like Che t-shirts.

re: #60 wahabicorridor

Thanks...I assumed he was right. As for me, it was so disturbing. I had just arrived from Israel a couple of days before, and had meanwhile been following the VB conversation here. It gave me the eerie sensation that the whole world is reverting to the 1930s.

In Flanders fields the poppies grow....along with the headstones of UK/US troops row upon row

Why can't these Euro idiots fight for something worthwhile instead of vile separatist sectarian "movements" that retard freedom & liberty?

re: #67 Killgore Trout

Here's the wiki page (in dutch?) for Verreycken.

re: #51 Thanos

It'll be interesting to hear her interview with Belien on Monday. I'm hoping she comes to her senses and decides not to run it.

re: #71 undhimmicratic

It gave me the eerie sensation that the whole world is reverting to the 1930s.

Sadly it seems to be.

re: #70 Merovign

Thanks for that. I guess it's a relief of some sort.

re: #73 Sharmuta

Huh, it seems he's a VB member. Not sure what that has to do with Croatia. maybe they just took a field trip there.

re: #77 Killgore Trout

Croatia might be ripe for a right-wing populist movement?

re: #78 Sharmuta

I wouldn't be surprised.

You know things must be going well in Iraq when you see stories like this.

Shy Baghdad men reaching for sex stimulants

BAGHDAD (AFP) - Vendors of sexual stimulants in Baghdad's markets report brisk business, saying Iraqi men, battling a sense of impotence in the face of raging violence, are overcoming shyness to test latest products.

"These days, large numbers of people of different ages come to our stalls or go to pharmacies to buy these drugs," said vendor Abu Saad beside the colourful array of creams, gels, sprays and pills at his stall in central Baghdad's Bab al-Sharji market.

"I think men are turning to sexual fortifiers due to the frustration the Iraqi society is suffering because of the collapsed security situation," said Saad.

"Some men buy these drugs because they need them psychologically -- not because they are impotent. But others of my clients are old and need the drugs to overcome their impotence."

While some men are happy to ask him direct questions about his products, others squirm with embarrassment and wait until no one else is around before making inquiries, he said.

re: #65 konservo

The signs say "[language] Facilities be gone; Voorpost in offensive."

Meanwhile VB has applied a very effective wedge, but the votes to make it stick came from the Christian Democrats, who might actually be coming to their senses after VB's latest electoral victories.
Here's an article on the separation from the Wallonian view.

Most French people in the region bordering Belgium would like to see France re-unite with Belgium's francophone region if the country breaks apart, according to an opinion poll published on Saturday.

Talks to form a new government in Belgium have dragged on for some 150 days since elections in June, and the absence of an agreement has prompted speculation that the country might split along linguistic fault lines.

A poll released before Sunday's publication of Le Journal du Dimanche said that 54 percent of those questioned wanted the mainly French-speaking southern Belgian region of Wallonia incorporated into France if a breakup occurred.

The region was briefly absorbed into the French empire after the 1789 revolution, but it has few happy memories for France because it was there, at Waterloo, that Napoleon suffered his final defeat in 1815 by a British army and its German allies.

The land was subsequently attached to the Netherlands until modern Belgium took shape in 1830.

The wedge issue is repartition of districts around Brussels, this drove the coalition talks to a standstill. It's likely there will be a split, and after all is said and done it might be worth it just to end the fighting between the F's and the W's that drives the support to the extremist parties.

I'm so sick of these Euros' problems, seemingly exacerbated by too much vacation & sick-leave-in-health-spas and cradle to grave caretaking governments.

Viva Sarko the Americaine for having his priorities straight--not socialist sectarian separatism.

May more Euros take after Sarko than Marshall Tito the Yugoslavian Fascist who united Croats/Serbs and others under his boot.

re: #71 undhimmicratic

It gave me the eerie sensation that the whole world is reverting to the 1930s.

Except for one not-so-insignificant difference.

I had just arrived from Israel

Mazel Tov, bubbelah

re: #79 Killgore Trout

The Croatian Democratic Union party is listed as nationalist/populist.

re: #76 undhimmicratic

re: #70 Merovign

Thanks for that. I guess it's a relief of some sort.

Back In The Day, fights would often break out between Neo Nazis who came to the punk scene and the rest of the Punks.

If it makes you feel better, the skinheads were almost always outnumbered and almost always lost. :)

It's unfortunate, but a "scene" often attracts Bad Actors, kind of like the topic of this discussion...

re: #88 jeppo

Do you know how to click a video link?

ruh roh, Horst Wessel-type song sung in '07....
scay. Things ae a lot deeper and more complicated over there.
I have this dutch fellow I know. He is very wealthy and lived as a kid in Holland in WWII. Yet he never became a US Citizen, and is highly critical of the USA. He came here with nothing and with prodigious effort became very well-off. He has no thanks for the uS tho. Holland is his big deal,a country that fed him sawdust bread. And later becasue he was Jewish, hunted hs family down.
feh to him

re: #83 alegrias

May more Euros take after Sarko

I wouldn't hold my breath. I think half of France is on strike. Pensions, students, you name it.

re: #84 jeppo

So glad you could join us. Have you come to lay flowers on the graves of SS soldiers?

re: #92 wahabicorridor

Gee, do you think it's because Sarko wants to make France WORK!

re: #81 thecapitalist

re: #65 konservo

The signs say "[language] Facilities be gone; Voorpost in offensive."

Now, considering that photo was taken on Oct. 22, 2007, do you still have the doubts you expressed in your earlier comment?
You said:

VMO and Voorpost connections to VB have long been known, but I doubt they currently have much association anymore to the party.

re: #82 Thanos

54 percent of those questioned wanted the mainly French-speaking southern Belgian region of Wallonia incorporated into France if a breakup occurred.

Stop French irredentism!
I wonder how the French feel about absorbing Walloons?
(It's part of the international conspiracy of mapmakers to force us to purchase new atlases.)

I did want to add, on-topic, that I understand how this brouhaha got started. The "not-anti-VB" forces had put a lot of effort into a fragile Euro coalition and took questions about VB as "friendly fire," an all-too-common phenomenon.

It has dragged on further (and deeper) than I expected, however.

Which makes it harder for people to let it go, apologize, introspect, whatever.

Combine that with the general "get attention by being "edgy"" nature of blogging, and this has that old "big wedge" feel to it.

Sadly.

Another WN cross for Dewinter.

This whole reeking mess has brought out that there are many rotten apples hiding out in the anti-jihad movement, not just crypto- nazis, neo-nazis, but racists of all kinds. Notice some of the guys that got the stick here then send angry emails to Charles talking about how "the south will rise again" ( Sodra Djav?) and similar epithets that suggest they wish for the anti-jihadi movement to be a lily-white, non-Jewish nationalistic affair. We know who our enemy is and we have to be very vigilant in the motives of those who jump on the anti-jihad bandwagon.

re: #97 Merovign

That's a small price to pay for exposing crypto-fascists and neo-Nazis in our midst, IMHO.

re: #71 undhimmicratic

Actually...

If they have gone so far as to actually tattoo the swastika upon themselves, then the odds are that they are deep into the WhitePowerPunk scene, or have spent time in the US prison system under the care of the Aryan Brotherhood, or both.

That White Power music scene may account for as much as 50%, (or more), of the neo-nazi "manpower" in any one region.

Skinheads are brownshirts.

GRAVE
DIGGER,
R

re: #91 big L

ruh roh, Horst Wessel-type song sung in '07....
scay. Things ae a lot deeper and more complicated over there.
I have this dutch fellow I know. He is very wealthy and lived as a kid in Holland in WWII. Yet he never became a US Citizen, and is highly critical of the USA. He came here with nothing and with prodigious effort became very well-off. He has no thanks for the uS tho. Holland is his big deal,a country that fed him sawdust bread. And later becasue he was Jewish, hunted hs family down.
feh to him

I'm afraid I don't remember how I found this blog, so I can't give credit where credit is due. However, you might want to use it to torment your Dutch buddy.

Bad News from the Netherlands.

Delicious!

re: #39 Owl

You know you guys are Saints for letting the world know about this, right? Saints, I tell you. Saints.

More particularly, prophets. And persecution comes with that territory.

I'll say it again. This could get VERY ugly. If a significant portion of the A-J movement locks arms with these VB types, then CAIR and their lapdogs the MSM will use that to discredit the movement, and they will gleefully use these LGF/Babba materials, so conveniently supplied and from an unimpeachably hostile source ("even LGF, our enemy, admits that...").

If that happens, get ready for Charles and LGF to be called the Judas of the movement, unwitting tools of the Islamists.

There are major players in the A-J movement who have so far said little about this fracas, apparently trying to remain above the fray. Some of them surely agree with Charles. They need to speak up.

re: #103 Dead Sea Squirrel

yep

re: #59 Killgore Trout

re: #41 Former Belgian

Here's a picture (The one with the red border) of Dewinter and Van den Eynde posing with a croation named Verreycken? Any clue who he is?
Is that a swastika on that frag in the background?

Not Croatian, but (now retired) Flemish VB senator Wim Verreycken

[Link: nl.wikipedia.org...]

He's a member of the "pagan" wing of the VB, you could say.

Caveat Lector (reader beware) re: the Blokbuster site, of course: one of the crimes they throw in the face of the Blok on that page is marching in a parade with a "Bush is right - stop Islamoterror" sign:
[Link: www.lsp-mas.be...]

The flag in the background is the official Croatian flag: the object in the middle was (depressingly) also the emblem of the WW II era pro-Nazi group the Ustasha.

The Ustasha has the rare distinction (which they share with the Hungarian Arrow Cross) that they managed to gross out even hardened Nazis.

Wow.

Tariq Ramadan appointed professor of Islamology

THE HAGUE, 07/11/07 - Tariq Ramadan is to hold the Sultan of Oman chair of Islamology at the University of Leiden. Education and Culture Minister Ronald Plasterk said yesterday in the Lower House that he does not object to Ramadan's appointment.

The Party for Freedom (PVV) complained that "the sultan of an Islamo-fascist dictatorial state" is paying 2.5 million euros to win influence at a Dutch university. PVV MP Bosma added that Ramadan does not reject stoning of women and wants to destroy Israel. The conservatives (VVD) also suggested that Ramadan poses a risk to national security.

But Plasterk was unimpressed: "We live in a free country. (...) I have no judgement on the university's selection methods", said the Labour (PvdA) minister. "As far as I know Ramadan does reject the stoning of women", said Plasterk, who in addition called him an "interesting" man.

re: #105 Former Belgian

Wim? I found a Rob, also with vb. Are they related?

re: #85 wahabicorridor

You're so right. Thankfully I'm back in Jerusalem where it's...safe & sane? Feels like it anyway. L'chaim!

re: #103 Dead Sea Squirrel

They need to speak up.

Yeah. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in Robert Spencer's office.

re: #102 wahabicorridor

re: #91 big L

ruh roh, Horst Wessel-type song sung in '07....
scay. Things ae a lot deeper and more complicated over there.
I have this dutch fellow I know. He is very wealthy and lived as a kid in Holland in WWII. Yet he never became a US Citizen, and is highly critical of the USA. He came here with nothing and with prodigious effort became very well-off. He has no thanks for the uS tho. Holland is his big deal,a country that fed him sawdust bread. And later becasue he was Jewish, hunted hs family down.
feh to him

I'm afraid I don't remember how I found this blog, so I can't give credit where credit is due. However, you might want to use it to torment your Dutch buddy.

Bad News from the Netherlands.

Delicious!

Actually, the whole point of that site is that you can make any country look bad by cherry-picking bad news --- like the Euro MSM do with Israel...

re: #107 Sharmuta

re: #105 Former Belgian

Wim? I found a Rob, also with vb. Are they related?

Rob is the son of Wim Verreycken.

BabbaZee is a leftist? Who knew!
I needed a good laugh.

re: #89 jeppo

Gambini?

How 'bout answering to what's in the video.

re: #105 Former Belgian

The Ustasha has the rare distinction (which they share with the Hungarian Arrow Cross) that they managed to gross out even hardened Nazis.

I`m fairly certain a Croatian regiment went down in Stalingrad with their Wehrmacht allies.

re: #111 Former Belgian

I see. Like so many others- it's a family affair.

re: #47 konservo

re: #34 thecapitalist

re: #17 gop_patriot

What do you mean caught red handed? VMO and Voorpost connections to VB have long been known, but I doubt they currently have much association anymore to the party.

Umm... that was Filip Dewinter himself who was caught red-handed.

(If you don't know who Filip Dewinter is, I suggest you read through some of the links provided above.)

Thanks, konservo. I'd left to get some lunch with my kids and wasn't here to respond. Well said!

Clashes at far-right Prague rally

Clashes have broken out in Prague between neo-Nazis and protesters trying to block their right-wing march.

More than 1,000 people rallied in the Czech capital's old Jewish quarter to try to stop the march by members of the Young Nationalist Democrats (MND).

The march was planned for the anniversary of the 1938 anti-Jewish purge known as Kristallnacht.

Police sealed off routes leading to the MND meeting and arrested some of the party's members, reports said.

There were scuffles and at least one person was injured, witnesses said.

'Unacceptable'

The MND said the march was officially a protest at the Czech military presence in Iraq.

It had been banned after a series of court judgements, but the neo-Nazis repeated their calls to be allowed to demonstrate, saying they had no other way of expressing their political views.

Some of the MND skinheads arrested were armed with batons, truncheons and home-made Molotov cocktails, reports said.

"The march (by the extreme right) was unacceptable," Prague's mayor Pavel Bem told the AFP news agency. "We need to cultivate the national memory to avoid what happened in the past."

How about...

Who is Jeppo?

AND
WHY?,
R

re: #95 konservo

Voorpost is still part of the Flemish movement, so it not surprising that they show up at events where the Flemish nationalists agitate against the Francophones for example. The question remains how close they are to the current VB. I'm not sure about that. Maybe there are still some ties at a local level, maybe not.

re: #103 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #39 Owl

You know you guys are Saints for letting the world know about this, right? Saints, I tell you. Saints.

More particularly, prophets. And persecution comes with that territory.

I'll say it again. This could get VERY ugly. If a significant portion of the A-J movement locks arms with these VB types, then CAIR and their lapdogs the MSM will use that to discredit the movement, and they will gleefully use these LGF/Babba materials, so conveniently supplied and from an unimpeachably hostile source ("even LGF, our enemy, admits that...").

If that happens, get ready for Charles and LGF to be called the Judas of the movement, unwitting tools of the Islamists.

There are major players in the A-J movement who have so far said little about this fracas, apparently trying to remain above the fray. Some of them surely agree with Charles. They need to speak up.

I appreciate your concerns, but I have to disagree on one point -- CAIR and their followers do not need any of the research I've done to attack the associations with VB and other Euro parties. This is all public record, and most of the facts are very well-known in Europe.

That's what makes it even more disingenuous of VB's defenders to act innocent: "What?! Nazi connections? No way! And besides, they've changed!"

In Europe none of this is a secret. In the US, it's not well-known at all because who has time to keep up with Belgian politics normally? Some people seem to have been counting on this US lack of knowledge about the Belgian far right, to try to legitimize themselves in the US and strengthen themselves in Belgium.

re: #118 Render

How about...

Who is Jeppo?

AND
WHY?,
R

Torlling, not a grow up troll.

re: #121 jcm

re: #118 Render

How about...

Who is Jeppo?

AND
WHY?,
R

Torlling, not a grow up troll.

PIMF Trolling.

re: #120 Charles

Some people seem to have been counting on this US lack of knowledge about the Belgian far right, to try to legitimize themselves in the US and strengthen themselves in Belgium.

And I wonder if/when the Washington Times will wake up. They're still printing Belien.

OT
The most outrageous picture you will see this weekend. And note the cross-out of the Great Seal. What the left has become.
[Link: jconline.com...]

re: #114 JHW

No Croatian units fought at Stalingrad. Either in the Wermacht or in the Waffen SS.

KARSTWEHR,
R

re: #105 Former Belgian

Thnaks. Very interesting.

The third anniversary of the Arafish dying from AIDS is upon us, and they opened a mausoleum to stash him in today.

The tomb also includes a minaret which shines a laser beam towards Jerusalem, the city Palestinians want to become the capital of an independent state, said the BBC's correspondent Aleem Maqbool.

Mr Abbas said he hoped Mr Arafat's body would one day be buried in Jerusalem.

"We will continue on the path to set up the independent Palestinian state with [Jerusalem] as its capital, God willing," Mr Abbas said.

The opening ceremony included Palestinian honour guards in navy green uniforms with golden epaulettes, with a brass band playing and prayers from a local imam.

"The monument is built on a natural spring, and the water signifies that it is temporary, for it will be moved to Jerusalem after liberation," project supervisor Mohammed Ashtiyah was quoted by the AFP news agency as saying.

re: #125 Render

Wrong. The 369th Croatian Regiment was attached to the Austrian Jager Division. Attached therefore to Paulus Sixth Army.

OT: Spain's King tells Hugo Chavez to shut up

"Why don't you shut up?" the king shouted at Chavez, pointing a finger at the president when he tried to interrupt a speech by Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.

Zapatero was in the middle of a speech to the summit of mostly leftist leaders from Latin America, Portugal, Spain and Andorra, and was criticizing Chavez for calling former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar a fascist.

The Spanish King has more balls than the whole of the UN assembly.

Is Fjordman writing in German now?
Little Green Footballs und der Rassismus in den USA

Babblefish: Little Green of football and the racingism in the USA

As most readers know in the meantime, I was involved in something, which developed unfortunately to a most publicly delivered quarrel - some would say probably also witch hunt - with Charles Johnson of the large American Blog Little Green of football. It concerned thereby the alleged “Rassismus” the Sweden democrats and the Vlaams importance. Already one contradicted to many of these statements , although LGF refuses, the too left. I have my intention kundgetanof inserting a comment break with LGF where I was long active several years, because more became than clear that both Charles and many do not have its reader any interest in a genuine debate, let alone at one over the real threats of the liberty in Europe.

Alert! I am sure you well-informed lizards are aware of Hillary's recent planting question scam, but news has it that there may be another question planting incident. We will see if this pans out.

I posted on this this morning on my blog.

re: #131 Killgore Trout

Looks like more of what he's already said. Sad.

re: #120 Charles

That may be true, but your modesty is showing. They may still drag LGF into it, because it adds a little extra punch. "Even Charles Johnson, one of our most vitriolic critics, admits at his Muslim-bashing blog that these Nazi connections are real." Something like that.

re: #129 justnobody

OT: Spain's King tells Hugo Chavez to shut up

"Why don't you shut up?" the king shouted at Chavez, pointing a finger at the president when he tried to interrupt a speech by Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.Zapatero was in the middle of a speech to the summit of mostly leftist leaders from Latin America, Portugal, Spain and Andorra, and was criticizing Chavez for calling former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar a fascist.

The Spanish King has more balls than the whole of the UN assembly.

About time someone told Chavez to shut up. And it's just too rich that Chavez is calling someone else a fascist, after what he's done (and is doing) to his own country.
What a pig that man is.

re: #128 threecoloursblue

[Link: www.feldgrau.com...]

Wull dammit. You're correct. My research was concerned only with the various Balkan Muslim elements of the Waffen SS, none of which fought in Stalingrad as organized units.

NOTED,
R

re: #125 Render

re: #114 JHW

No Croatian units fought at Stalingrad. Either in the Wermacht or in the Waffen SS.

KARSTWEHR,
R

My source for that is "La bataille de Stalingrad", Francois de Lannoy, Editions Heimdal, Paris, 1996, pg. 167 , 100th Jager Division had assigned to it "une regiment d`infanterie ayant ete recrute en Croatie (Kroatisches Infanterie Regiment 100 (ou 369) " I admit I cant read the French very well. Anyway, if you have an interest in superb photo histories on WW2, many, many on the US Army and D-Day in particular , Heimdal produces superb books.
Editions Heimdal WW2 photo books available in the USA

re: #131 Killgore Trout

Babblefish: Little Green of football and the racingism in the USA

As most readers know in the meantime, I was involved in something, which developed unfortunately to a most publicly delivered quarrel - some would say probably also witch hunt - with Charles Johnson of the large American Blog Little Green of football. It concerned thereby the alleged “Rassismus” the Sweden democrats and the Vlaams importance. Already one contradicted to many of these statements , although LGF refuses, the too left. I have my intention kundgetanof inserting a comment break with LGF where I was long active several years, because more became than clear that both Charles and many do not have its reader any interest in a genuine debate, let alone at one over the real threats of the liberty in Europe.

So we're "not interested in debate" because Charles questioned the wisdom of associating with neo-Nazis and blatantly racist "White Nationalist" groups? The question of "taking your allies wherever you can find them" was debated to death! WTF is he complaining about?!?

So sad...

re: #136 Render

Yes, and their history is vile. Their forced conversions of Orthodox Christians included throat-cutting competitions. That history is well known in Europe, one of the reasons for polite raised eyebrows during Rumsfelds "old Europe " v. " New Europe " meanderings.

re: #136 Render

Also for a definitive history of Stalingrad read Antony Beevor. Reads like a thriller.

re: #140 threecoloursblue

I agree with you on that book, it has a lot of the more recent material released from the Soviet archives. "Enemy at the Gates" by William Craig is pretty good too.

Germany: No additional reparations for Holocaust survivors.

Germany is still Germany, and yes, it does feel like the 1930's again, damn it.

Charles:

Thank you so much for continuing this proof positive that the more things change....

If only more people had your courage and decency.

re: #140 threecoloursblue

re: #136 Render

Also for a definitive history of Stalingrad read Antony Beevor. Reads like a thriller.

Thanks for the recommendation, I've just ordered it. I would also recommend Vasily Grossman's Life and Fate.

This book is what we would call a 'docudrama'. Grossman was a journalist who was at Stalingrad

You know, the whole spat makes me think of David Ben-Gurion saying, at the beginning of WW II and after the contemptible British "White Paper" [restricting further Jewish immigration/sanctuary into the Mandate]: "We shall the Nazis as if there were no White Paper, and the British as if there were no war.".

re: #140 threecoloursblue

Read it. I much preferred William Craig's "Enemy at the Gates" (the 1973 book, not the fictional movie of the same name), and John Erickson's "The Road to Stalingrad."

Rupert Butler's "The Black Angels," Bruce Quarrie's "Hitlers Samurai" and "Hitlers Teutonic Knights," as well as Anthony Munoz's "Forgotten Legions" are quite good as well.

LARGE
LIBRARY,
R

re: #142 NY Nana

Actually, the Germans have a point. The Israeli government wants to get more reparations from Germany in the name of the victims of Nazi persecution who came to Israel from the USSR. But Germany has already paid reparations to the USSR. Why should they now pay reparations to Israel? The reason why these immigrants now have to rely on handouts from the Israeli government is that the USSR has stolen their retirement pensions.
Also, Israel begging Germany for reparations is kind of disgusting. Menachem Begin was vehemently against it.

You know, I'm beginning to think the Vlaams Belang might just be a duck.

re: #130 Killgore Trout

That was posted in English at BJ.

re: #62 Sharmuta

re: #59 Killgore Trout

It looks like the Croatian Flag, Hon.

But the Croatian flag and the Ustasha flag are very similar. I couldn't say which flag it is.

re: #145 Render

William Craig is fiction. Good. But fiction.

#120 Charles,

Owl said: You and There are major players in the A-J movement who have so far said little about this fracas, apparently trying to remain above the fray. Some of them surely agree with Charles. They need to speak up.

Charles said: I appreciate your concerns, but I have to disagree on one point -- CAIR and their followers do not need any of the research I've done to attack the associations with VB and other Euro parties. This is all public record, and most of the facts are very well-known in Europe.

Hmm, yes. Good point.

So, here's an interesting question to ponder. If the Vlaams Belang and the BNP and these other far-right European parties do, indeed, have Nazi sympathies (which I believe they do), then why is it that CAIR, the MCB, and the other pro-Jihadi parties are silent about far-right bigotry?

Could the answer to that question be, BECAUSE BEHIND THE SCENES THEY ARGREE WITH THEM?

Actually, CAIR already has attacked Robert Spencer over this:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #146 justnobody

re: #142 NY Nana

Actually, the Germans have a point. The Israeli government wants to get more reparations from Germany in the name of the victims of Nazi persecution who came to Israel from the USSR. But Germany has already paid reparations to the USSR. Why should they now pay reparations to Israel? The reason why these immigrants now have to rely on handouts from the Israeli government is that the USSR has stolen their retirement pensions.
Also, Israel begging Germany for reparations is kind of disgusting. Menachem Begin was vehemently against it.

Ben-Gurion accepted them, after much agonizing, because: (a) the country was in dire financial straits (not the case right now); (b) it was at least a starting point for building up relations with the new democratic German regime. [German PM Konrad Adenauer, an erstwhile mayor of Cologne, was a known Nazi opponent and had been imprisoned twice by the Nazis (y"sh).
]

Note, by the way, that I didn't phrase my question in 151 as well as I could have. Here's a new version of it:

If the Vlaams Belang and the BNP and these other far-right, anti-Muslim European parties do, indeed, have Nazi sympathies (which I believe they do), then why is it that CAIR, the MCB, and the other pro-Jihadi parties are silent about far-right bigotry?

re: #51 Thanos

Pamela's conflicted -- I can understand -- she worked hard to build something postive in unison with others, and then saw it fall apart; finding that she had been used and duped. It's easy to get defensive in cases like that. I'm not writing Pam off yet, although it's getting harder by the day.

Thanos, you are being too kind but please allow me to say a few things hehe.

My problem with pam is not only was she wrong..dead wrong, but she attacked and tried to defame Charles. She didn't have to go that route, but she purposefully chose to do this to someone who has helped her out..she even calls him a blog daddy!

She has since gone on hot air to mention that Charles gets his information to do his blog by googling. Yeah, her apology was REAL genuine.......... /sarc

I have written her off, COMPLETELY.

re: #119 thecapitalist

re: #95 konservo

Voorpost is still part of the Flemish movement, so it not surprising that they show up at events where the Flemish nationalists agitate against the Francophones for example. The question remains how close they are to the current VB. I'm not sure about that. Maybe there are still some ties at a local level, maybe not.

You do realize who that is in the picture sitting amongst the Voorpost militants, right?

It's Vlaams Belang President Frank Vanhecke and, judging by the photo, Voorpost appears to be pretty damn close to the current VB, at top levels.

#152 Charles,

Yes, CAIR has attacked Robert Spencer over the Brussels Conference, but they have not attacked Vlaams Belang.

Vlaams Belang is a ethnicity-based Nationalist party (read racist) and Robert Spencer is not racist.

So, they attack Robert Spencer and not Vlaams Belang.

Is that because, behind the scenes, they agree with Vlaams Belang?

Maybe even HAVE an agreemwent with Vlaams Belang?

re: #150 threecoloursblue

How so? It certainly wasn't marketed that way by Bantam. The chapter notes, acknowledgments, and bibliography certainly wouldn't be needed if so.

QUIBBLES,
R

re: #145 Render

re: #150 threecoloursblue

Damn, talking about good books led me to lightening my wallet today, I ordered two from that source I linked above. One book is "Island of Fire"
656 pages on the battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory in Stalingrad, another is the 560 page long "Death of the Leaping Horseman" at Stalingrad. They look like interesting reads.

As this is produced from the Euro MSM, how much of this characterization if fair and balanced?

re: #157 Pastorius

Also, keep in mind that CAIR is an American, um... well... gang. So Vlaams Belang is a little bit out of CAIR's territory.

re: #160 marsouin

It serves to confirm what VB members have said all along. Belang is Blok.

ONE
AND
SAME,
R

OT (sort of) and breaking:

"Neo-Nazis attempting march in Prague Jewish quarter clash with anti-fascists"

[Link: www.iht.com...]

#161 Konservo,

Does the MCB speak up against the BNP?

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Is Fjordman writing in German now?
Little Green Footballs und der Rassismus in den USA

No, it's only a translation from bj

re: #157 Pastorius

#152 Charles,

Yes, CAIR has attacked Robert Spencer over the Brussels Conference, but they have not attacked Vlaams Belang.

Vlaams Belang is a ethnicity-based Nationalist party (read racist) and Robert Spencer is not racist.

So, they attack Robert Spencer and not Vlaams Belang.

Is that because, behind the scenes, they agree with Vlaams Belang?

Maybe even HAVE an agreemwent with Vlaams Belang?

I remember reading WAAAYYY back (20 years ago) that Dewinter met with some representatives of Louis Farrakhan, and that he found common ground re: ethnic separatism. On what else, the inveterate cynic will ask?

re: #146 justnobody

The Germans want to forget. They are despicable. How can anyone, while there are still survivors alive, albeit fewer each day, to bear witness, say that they should be able to 'put this behind them' when there is a resurgance in Europe of Jew hate, that actually has never gone away?

Look at Belgium, damn it...Jew hate is part and parcel of these neo-nazi groups..nearly 65 years after WW2, and the Shoah? Look also at France,the UK, the Netherlands, et al....Jews are leaving, and with good reason.

From the article:

Pensioners' Affairs Minister Eitan claimed on Friday that the agreement did not take into account the costs involved in tending to the survivors' needs in the later stages of their lives and did not foresee the arrival of tens of thousands of Holocaust refugees from the former Soviet Union to Israel.

German officials denied Israeli reports that the matter would be discussed during Finance Minister Peer Steinbrueck's upcoming visit to the Jewish state.

"Discussions on such a complex and important matter demand planning and large teams of experts from both sides," one official told Ynet, "and Steinbrueck's entourage during this trip to Israel will be very small."

Young German bloggers and talkbackers harshly criticized Eitan's request for additional payments, saying Israel was "not ready to put the past behind it despite the fact that 60 years have passed since the Holocaust ended".

"A deal is a deal. What more do they want from us? It is absurd that a generation that did not murder will have to pay a generation that was not murdered," a response posted on one of the German news websites read.

Several reports published on the matter said Israel was in fact asking that Germany pay for the Jewish state's "neglectful treatment" of its Holocaust survivors.

Other personal blogs posted typical anti-Semitic caricatures of the "greedy Jew".

So what has changed? Have you ever met survivors? Learned extensively about the Holocaust?

The effects of the Holocaust on their parents and grandparents are harming the children and grandchildren...even now, as I type.

If you cannot or will not understand this, then you are the one with a problem.

Never forgive. Never forget.

re: #160 marsouin

As this is produced from the Euro MSM, how much of this characterization if fair and balanced?

There were added sound effects and, of course, the imagery of Nazi atrocities. VB defenders might say that this is an emotional appeal, but when it comes down to it, that's exactly what Holocaust deniers lack, emotions. So they should be confronted with reality at every chance. The facts presented in the video don't leave any room for dispute, we can see and hear the words straight from the VBsters' mouths.

re: #164 Pastorius

Yes, they do.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

PULSE,
R

#166 Former Belgian,

Yep.

That's pretty much where I was going with my question.

re: #162 Render

Belang is Blok

A rotating title nomination?

#169 Render,

Ah, ok.

So, I guess my question leads nowhere.

re: #164 Pastorius

Yes

The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) commended the BBC [documentary]

Iqbal Sacranie, Secretary-General of the MCB, said: "The BNP have long been exploiting a loophole in our current legislation which outlaws incitement to racial hatred but does not forbid incitement to religious hatred.

"This documentary provides additional evidence of the immense harm this is doing to community relations in our country."

Oops, I should have refreshed the comments before posting that last one.

I kinda look at this as the boiling of VB. I am not at all afraid of the MSM doing maliciously poor reporting on these issues. VB should not just roll to election victories without some honest introspection of themselves. And some transformation of their fascism into anti jihadism. Carrying both of those monikers puts them at odds with a lot of people. Go ahead and get your own country, put some heartache into the EU. Someone said the waves still haven't crested in this. I also think the heat hasn't been turned all the way up.

re: #157 Pastorius

clever boy

re: #162 Render

re: #160 marsouin

It serves to confirm what VB members have said all along. Belang is Blok.

ONE
AND
SAME,
R

I don't think that was ever seriously in dispute. I called them "VB 4.0" in my historical overview.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Summarizing and adding a few details not in the original:

VB 1.0 is the old "Amnesty and independent Flanders" fringe party of former Hitler Youth member Dillen pere and wartime Brussels alderman Lode Claes. (The latter actually served time for Nazi collaboration, although he quickly left the VB for more temperate political climes.)

VB 2.0 is when Annemans and Dewinter came in, and when the party hit in increasing tensions between Muslim immigrants and the native population as a major issue.

[mid-1996: Dillen retires as party chairman and appoints Frank Van Hecke as his successor.]

VB 3.0 starts perhaps post-9/11, when the party started focusing on terrorism and taking pro-USA and pro-Israel position in public. (This was very much not to the liking of what one could call the the "neo-pagan" wing of the party --- which is basically centered on Shoah deniers like Roeland Raes and other unsavory types.)

VB 4.0 (a.k.a. Vlaams Belang) was necessitated when VB 3.0 was dissolved by court order. Types like Raes were put in the background, the party programme was sanitized a bit, and a number of new "verruimingskandidaten" (Dutch political term best translated as "base-broadening candidates") that do not fit typical VB profiles (media types, a former Miss Belgium,...) were successfully courted and got elected.

re: #166 Former Belgian

Now that threw up an interesting link...

[Link: moonbatcentral.com...]

SABBATH
BLOODY
SABBATH,
R

This post to no one in particular
I am just ranting

"What we want is not to suppress other peoples. We want our freedom, our security, and the security of our living space. It is the security of the very life of our people. That is what we are fighting for!
~ Adolf Hitler."
(#21 - 27 propaganda flyer , July 1940)

Most immigrants in Belgium are Muslims. The Vlaams Belang is critical of immigration because the numbers are so high that assimilation is simply impossible. Our voters want to live in Europe, not in Eurabia.
~ Filip DeWinter to an audience of Americans

Same MO
Different Year

Do not let the fact that no one was fighting them but communists and socialists and the hard left up till now deter you.

Do not let the fact that the Jihad is real and we must fight it blind you to what is really going on here.

If you look at the above referenced statements only from the perspective of Islamic Jihad then yes,
Dewinter's statement is true and so is Hitlers.

But of course their AGENDA is not what you think it is. It is not your agenda.
Not unless you are a "Racial Nationalist" on some level.

You already know what Hitler is.
Now you must know what "nationalist" movements worldwide today are.

We cant ignore this or do it in isolation, We can not say this does not matter to America.
People said the exact same shit leading up to WWII

The Nationalists goals are the same,
jihad or no jihad, the jihad only helps them accomplish it.

The fact that these MFers appropriate how we feel about 9/11 and the jihad to take power and install their own sick agenda infuriates me.

And they bank on you never seeing that till it's too late. They NEED you to never see it , they need you to support them and to allow it.

NEVER AGAIN MFers.

NEVER
AGAIN!

re: #155 Highrise

I missed this...I agree with you re Atlas. She has gone over to the dark side. She is too full of herself to be decent and honorable enough to even email Charles with an apology..that is only an assumption on my part...but she certainly has not posted one on LGF, other that her self-serving comments.

Sad. I used to admire her for her blog. Now? Pathetic. She is not the person I thought she was.

Thanos, you indeed are too kind...but that is just how you are...one of the good guys. Just look at her comments section where the majority are LGF rejects...and she approves each and every comment before it is allowed to be posted. She is still spitting at Charles by allowing the posts she does.

In what probably was my last look at her blog, this is what did it:

If Arafat is ever buried in Jerusalem, bury me in Mecca. Naked with bright red lipstick on and a ginormous Star of David on my neck.

I totally agree re Arafart, but for anyone, least of all a Jew, to make a statement like that? Incomprehensible.

re: #53 undhimmicratic

My son told me (in the midst of the trans-Atlantic war of words here) that he'd been to a punk rock gig and that the Jewish girl he took with him freaked out because several of the guys had swastika tattoos etc. (this was in LA). Several fights broke out. He was surprised she didn't know that punk shows always include a fair share of neo-nazis. I was horrified. He shrugged, 'They're mostly just kids being rebellious. It isn't really about ideology. '

Is what he said about the punk scene true? And kids or not, isn't a swastika tattoo on the neck a long term commitment to something besides body art?

On the neck? Yikes. Who would hire them? (I guess they're not worried about that.)

If they ever have a change of heart, they'll have to pay for laser removal.

Average kids don't get tattoos on their necks. Reputable tattooists refuse to do necks, faces, ears and hands.

Tattoos themselves can be a form of rebellion (against parents or society) or of conforming (to their social group). Everyone knows what the Nazis and their swastika stood for; I believe that anyone getting a swastika tattoo must agree with the Nazi ideology to some extent. They know how people will react when they see such a tattoo; they know what message they are sending out.

re: #145 Render

That would, uh, be Antonio J. Munoz, of Axis Europa Books. Not Anthony Munoz former all-pro NFL lineman...

[Link: stonebooks.com...]

[Link: www.alibris.com...]

SHEESH,
R

re: #179 BabbaZee

This post to no one in particular
I am just ranting

"What we want is not to suppress other peoples. We want our freedom, our security, and the security of our living space. It is the security of the very life of our people. That is what we are fighting for!
~ Adolf Hitler."
(#21 - 27 propaganda flyer , July 1940)

Most immigrants in Belgium are Muslims. The Vlaams Belang is critical of immigration because the numbers are so high that assimilation is simply impossible. Our voters want to live in Europe, not in Eurabia.
~ Filip DeWinter to an audience of Americans

Same MO
Different Year

There is of course one major difference (even if you do assume that Dewinter has the same MO and ideas as the Austrian failed painter, y"sh): Belgium has a real problem on its hands, not an imaginary "need for living space". And the established parties, for having let this problem fester for too long, will have nobody but themselves to blame if (perish the thought) Dewinter et al. ever do get in power.

re: #147 Pastorius

You know, I'm beginning to think the Vlaams Belang might just be a duck.

It looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, but it steps like a goose.

re: #183 Former Belgian

I know, that's what makes it one million times more dangerous.
They know it too. It is their finest mask.

jeppo shows up, misspells 'Gambini' twice, then disappears.

I hope his head didn't explode.

re: #185 BabbaZee

re: #183 Former Belgian

I know, that's what makes it one million times more dangerous.
They know it too. It is their finest mask.

I don't even think that Vlaams Belang is really helping that much in regard to illegal immigration anyway. VBsters are getting themselves arrested while protesting against Francophones in Flanders! What can of unproductive crap is that? There's an onslaught of Islamists migrating en mass, and there they are throwing temper-tantrums because someone says 'oui' instead of 'ja.' I guess that's traditional Vlaams priorities for ya, though!

Something else y'all:

It's been commented that most of the critical websites about the VB one finds are looney-left sites with blatant ulterior motives. (I'm not talking about damning stuff we find in the VB own publications and on 'racialist' sites.)

This is of course a special case of the truism that "extremists on your own site are pleasantly dotty, while extremists on the other side are dangerous and must be stopped". (Cfr. the old socialist slogan: "no enemies to the left!")

One of the nice things about the GOP --- which I'm probably a bit leftish for --- is at least some degree of willingness to "police itself" (cfr., e.g., Trent Lott).

Guess what: in Belgium the situation is even worse than [mirror image of the socialist slogan:] "no enemies to the right!" . There isn't even a "kosher" conservative movement in Belgium that could police itself. Beliën is probably the closest to having any influence, and that only by being literally (!) in bed with the VB.

In days of old, classical liberals had the PVV (Party for Freedom and Progress) to turn to. (Former PM Guy Verhofstadt was a hardcore Thatcherite in his young years.) This was always one of the 3 major parties in Flanders (with Labor and the Christian Democrats as the two others). In recent years they set themselves the aim of becoming the biggest party, changing their name first to VLD (Flemish Liberal-Democrats: the old PVV was rather Belgicist), and recently to "Open VLD" (Is this some new Unix variant?), absorbing part of the now-defunct Volksunie, and otherwise diluting their message beyond recognition. (Think 'RINO' Belgian style.) The party gradually moved so far leftward that the difference with Labor became basically cosmetic. (Not to mention I've read hysterical statements about the USA and Israel on the part of VLD parliamentarians that were indistinguishable from the loonbats one sees on Zombietime. At least on that issue, there were still a few sane people left in the VLD.)

One of the VLD 'achievements', such as it was, has been ramming through (together with Labor and Greens) euthanasia legislation that (together with Holland) is basically the most radical in the world (and of which abuse is apparently rampant). Does this sound like any "conservative" party you know?

There was an initiative towards 'back to the roots' classical liberalism around the think thank Nova Civitas
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
(featuring people like venture capitalist/popular Belgian weblogger Luc van Braekel, professor Boudewijn Bouckaert, and ... again Paul Beliën --- this was around the time that Ms. Beliën-Colen was apparently considering to leave the VB). It's a pluralist group, with Catholics like Beliën, secular humanists (like, I believe, van Braekel), and with the Protestant Bouckaert as the leader. Three guesses about whether the Nova Civitas people are still in "Open VLD"...

I thank G-d every day that I no longer live in that country.

re: #188 Former Belgian

One of the nice things about the GOP --- which I'm probably a bit leftish for --- is at least some degree of willingness to "police itself"

I think this is something that we should all work on. It'd be great if, instead of trying to expose a political opponent's faults, politicians were more concerned with their own integrity. I won't be holding my breath on that.

re: #189 konservo

I think the problem lies in that people with integrity have a tendency to know better than to run for office.

re: #150 threecoloursblue

re: #145 Render

William Craig is fiction. Good. But fiction.

Haven't read all the way down yet so dismiss if this has already been mentioned:

You may be confusing the movie Enemy At the Gates with the book.
Enemy At the Gates the movie was 'actually' based on the fictional novel
War of the Rats by David Robbins, but was named after the non-fiction book Enemy At the Gates.

I've become a bit cynical about this issue, probably because, as a student resident in Flanders, I was once led into believing Belien, Colen and the "moderate" faction were stand up people. It's well known really to everyone and provable with certainty that the Vlaams Belang had and has Nazi sympathizers and white nationalists. Dewinter certainly admits it in a weaselly fashion, and we have photos of VB parliamentarians toasting Nazis. There's simply no doubt, yet the discourse from supporters of the VB is indignant that LGF and those others on this side of the fence would have the gall to call them on it publically and to note that certain disturbing elements still remain that will discredit the A-J mov't. Thus: 'After all the attacks by the left and with our country heading towards an intifada, who are these 'holier than thou' people to shine a bright light on ideas and figures we wanted to whitewash over and legitimize?'

So, because a lot of people seem to think Dewinter and Vanhecke are your friends when fighting against the jihad -- which is quite an amazing plunge if one is not down with the whole ideology, if WE now raise the valid point that there might be a serious flaw in their ideology and some really shady, racial nationalist characters in their leadership (which Belien and Colen once admitted but how seem to have reversed their critical positions), this is just intolerable in their view. They first deny the content and lie about what was said in the claim against them, along with distorting the issue itself (cf. Belien and Miniter). Notice that no one admits from among the BJ or VB supporters adints the public knowledge that Vlaams Belanger Roland Raes denied the Holocaust or that VB members still to this day celebrate Staf DeClercq (who took part in the Holocaust)? Then these people insult and villify our side as GoV, Fjordman and BJ have done (e.g. "witchhunt", "intellectually inferior Americans", have "no understanding of Islam," "want to see Europe destroyed," etc). And then, without a trace of awareness of the irony, defenses appear about how "there's nothing racist about an ethnically homogeneous vision of our nation." Oh really, there isn't? That's not exclusive racial nationalism? Or some try to paint our position "neocon" -- a coded term -- who are still worried about fighting the Nazis in WWII. How condescending that is and foolishly dishonest as well, for it completely misses the point. No one is saying that the Nazis are still a threat to our freedom in the same way the Islamists are, but that there exist some groups who are very anti-jihad and who seek legitimacy for malignant WN ideologies. Moreover, sitting down to work in an alliance with them will hurt the anti-jihad cause in its infancy.

The defenders of the basic ideas of WN are coming out of the woodwork, ladies and gents. I'm disturbed by how few people are taking a stand and being completely honest about the arguments and evidence, at least among all the different reactions to the issue by both Americans and Europeans. This is a major issue, aside from Belgian politics.

re: #192 Yank in the EU

Great post. Sorry to see it put here at the end of a nearly dead thread. Consider re-posting it at the next round (and I'm sure there'll be one).

re: #193 Dead Sea Squirrel

Well, thanks. At least you saw it. I couldn't sleep, but the post took care of those restless ideas floating around.

re: #180 NY Nana

yup yup, some people want to forgive her already, no dice. She isn't seeking it or meaning it.

She isn't a friend to the anti jihad movement. I'm sad she is lost..but it is what it is and nothing more or less.

re: #192 Yank in the EU
I agree. I think they should be let to power and seen what they are like in the scale of Belgium. I find it hard to believe that they even want a Rae or a Dillen close to them. As they show themselves in their pictures with their friends is all how one would be expected to photograph if one were also their friend.

The closest I come to this in the US is a Robert Byrd or a Ron Paul. Byrd with his KKK past and Ron Paul who lets his image be published on Stormfront sites as an advertisement for his candidacy. And he convienently ignores questions about it.

Rae and Dillen, Byrd and Paul. Byrd and Paul have had their activities intensely examined. Byrd has never been taken to task. If he were a Republican he wouldn't be in office today. The MSM ignores their own racism and gives him a pass because he is one of their own good ol boys. When Rae and Dillen, have more and more people digging on them then VB will need to make some replies.

re: #192 Yank in the EU

... or that VB members still to this day celebrate Staf DeClercq (who took part in the Holocaust)? ...

Declercq died of cancer in late 1942. You could say that he abetted the Shoah indirectly, through antisemitic propaganda in the VNV party organ Volk en Staat. In addition, VNV members participated in rounding up Jews. Even if they did so without his consent (which I don't believe), it makes him responsible.

His successor (and wartime mayor of Ghent) Hendrik Elias, to his credit, tried to steer the VNV away from active collaboration with the Nazis (y"sh), but it was too little, too late, as the VNV had basically already lost the competition for Nazi approval with the outrightly nazist DeVlag and Algemene SS Vlaanderen.

re: #197 Former Belgian

In truth, the details of what part DeClercq actually played are unknown to me; what I would be basing this is on is his being a Nazi collaborator in Antwerp before, during and after the deportation of Antwerp's Jews, which is confirmed by Dewinter.

Haaretz / Schwartz: Gustave "Staf" de Clercq, the Flemish nationalist leader during the war, openly collaborated with the Nazis. After the deportation of Jews began, he was said to have remarked: "Now we can breathe easier." Nevertheless, many members of your party revere his memory and participate in ceremonies to mark the anniversary of his death.

Dewinter: He is one of the historic leaders of the party. This is part of the history of the Flemish nationalist movement and it is impossible to deny this. We are the descendants of this movement. Some of the members of the party attend these events because they want to honor the heritage of the Flemish movement.

[Link: www.filipdewinter.be...]

Look out Europe! Trouble on de way. Your solutions are as bad if not worse than your present problems.

re: #192 Yank in the EU

I'm disturbed by how few people are taking a stand and being completely honest about the arguments and evidence, at least among all the different reactions to the issue by both Americans and Europeans.

I'm disturbed by it as well. There's so much evasion going on; it's like a dirty little secret no one wants to acknowledge.

Hi all,

Today, I re-played the video, and perceived a big translation mistake I made.

Where Karel Dillen is shown with Maurice Berdeche, it doesn't state "Dilen also traduced....) but ( Dillen, also translated the negationist works (books that deny the holocaust) of his French friend Maurice Berdeche.)

"translate" in French is "traduire". And since I was in a hurry (and a little confused too), I didn't realize what I wrote. The horror is that when I looked up "traduce" it turned up to mean "belittle", quite the opposite of what it was said in the documentary.
Sorry.