I'm gonna run right out and fill up my gas tank.

ANWR! NOW!
COAL! NOW!
NUCLEAR! NOW!

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The house of Saud is no friend of mine.

We help- they hate us. We don't help- they hate us.

But always it's the fault of da Jooooooooooooooos!

The talking point as cartoon art.

This will be the last time I post these links.... so far, no one has had anything to say about this. Am I nuts, or do we really need oil?

[Link: waterpoweredcar.com...]

[Link: [Link: [Link: [Link: www.panacea-bocaf.org...]...]...]...]

What passes for clever and insightful at ArabNews, how original.

'Cause we all know that this sentiment hasn't been expressed before.
/sarc

Hope you haven't eaten.

On October 19, in a letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, President Bush declared, "I hereby certify that Saudi Arabia is cooperating with efforts to combat international terrorism and that the proposed assistance will help facilitate that effort."

But this, and most other recent criticisms of Saudi Arabia, omits what may be the most troubling aspect of the country's behavior and the most threatening to long-term U.S. interests: The appalling state of human rights and the lack of meaningful political reform in the kingdom

Choices, choices, choices.
Venezuelan oil.
Saudi oil.

Fuck 'em we've got 3 yes 3 TRILLION BARRELS RIGHT HERE! (the saud's have less than 3 billion) that's ONE THOUSAND times more oil, under our own damn feet.

All we need is the WILL to get it.

Another vile cocktail of anti-US and antisemitism, courtesy of the saudi oil ticks.

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"Unsurprisingly":

A passage where the controversial Hagen calls the prophet Mohammed a warlord, man of violence and abuser of women has, unsurprisingly, caused offense.

I noticed this story over there.

Saudi Women Are No Longer Standing in the ShadowsDoes a Hefty bag cast a shadow?

Is there something about the graphic way the finger is formed that has a meaning? In Arabic or somethin'? It's just way too uneven to simply be art. Or am I just trying to read something into it?

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Choices, choices, choices.
Venezuelan oil.
Saudi oil.

Fuck 'em we've got 3 yes 3 TRILLION BARRELS RIGHT HERE! (the saud's have less than 3 billion) that's ONE THOUSAND times more oil, under our own damn feet.

All we need is the WILL to get it.

Here in Canada, we have the second largest oil reserves in the world, behind the Saudi's. It's more expensive to extract and refine(oil sands), but it is available via pipeline, which 90% goes to the U.S. We just don't have the capacity yet to eliminate the use of mideast oil. Huge investment happening in Alberta right now, but it will take years.
Here in Canada, we have the second largest oil reserves in the world, behind the Saudi's. It's more expensive to extract and refine(oil sands), but it is available via pipeline, which 90% goes to the U.S. We just don't have the capacity yet to eliminate the use of mideast oil. Huge investment happening in Alberta right now, but it will take years.
Here in Canada, we have the second largest oil reserves in the world, behind the Saudi's. It's more expensive to extract and refine(oil sands), but it is available via pipeline, which 90% goes to the U.S. We just don't have the capacity yet to eliminate the use of mideast oil. Huge investment happening in Alberta right now, but it will take years.

Heh.

Spain's King Tells Chavez to Shut Up

More protests marches in Venezuela today, and remarkably, nobody was shot.

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This will be the last time I post these links.... so far, no one has had anything to say about this. Am I nuts, or do we really need oil?

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Thread worthy?

Al-Dura and the "Public Secret" of Middle East Journalism

The evidence emerging from the ongoing Al Dura trial in France indicates that Western journalists are fully aware that some of the footage they use in their reports on the Mideast conflict is staged, charges Richard Landes. When confronted with the pervasive evidence of staging in the case of Al Dura, the reaction of France 2, which ran the story, has been essentially that “everybody does it.”

by Richard Landes

Excellent!

Go read the whole thing.

/LGF is linked to parts of the article.

re: #14 TenRing

Is there something about the graphic way the finger is formed that has a meaning? In Arabic or somethin'? It's just way too uneven to simply be art. Or am I just trying to read something into it?

I see an arabic script "Allah."
BEHEAD THE ARTIST!
/

That would be a cool tattoo.

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re: #14 TenRing

Is there something about the graphic way the finger is formed that has a meaning? In Arabic or somethin'? It's just way too uneven to simply be art. Or am I just trying to read something into it?

I think your reading something into it, Or, it's a crooked Jewish finger ( read nose )?

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Time to pull the trigger.

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Leopard up and running. No issues, definite performance improvement.

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Just what are you trying to say?

Time to invade Canada. ;-P

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Leopard up and running. No issues, definite performance improvement.

My wife and I decided to get a laptop for Christmas this year. I am torn between getting a pc laptop or an Apple. I have no experience with Apple computers but I checked them out at Best Buy and thought they were really cool.

Anyone use both and could give me their pros/cons about both systems?

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It won't work.

People forget basic economics.

If we started intentionally penalizing ourselves by only using more expensive oil, the Saudis could and would drop their prices, and the benefits would flow to our enemies: mainly China. Saddled with more expensive energy, our economy would gradually derteriorate relative to others, and with it our ability to afford advanced defense systems, etc.

The Chinese would like NOTHING more than for the US to stop using Saudi oil.

1) We turn all electric production to coal and nuclear.
2) Open ANWR, CA coast, FL coast and the gulf.
3) Manhattan Project the Oil Sand and Shale.

Expensive yes, but it's national security. We'd still have trillions of barrels when the Sauds are back to kickin' sand.

Just sayin that in time we could sever our ties with the mideast for energy dependancy.
Like jmc said, we just have to decide.

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Leopard up and running. No issues, definite performance improvement.

My wife and I decided to get a laptop for Christmas this year. I am torn between getting a pc laptop or an Apple. I have no experience with Apple computers but I checked them out at Best Buy and thought they were really cool.

Anyone use both and could give me their pros/cons about both systems?

Yes--unless you are using some proprietary software that has to run on windows ( yes I know you can run windows on a Mac- but thats a whole other story) --get an Apple.

If we were at war with Saudi Arabia, or perhaps, if they were at war with us, we might be justified in SEIZING THEIR OIL FIELDS and taking the oil.

re: #26 itellu3times

re: #15 tank22

Just what are you trying to say?

Time to invade Canada. ;-P

Ok, we'll get more beer and get dinner on!

Back on topic, notice there are no riots, flaming KFCs, nor thousands of uneducated chanting death to SA, or dead bodies for display at the ready for LSM cameras, you know to compensate for our hurt feelings....

Gee, can we at least get our own rage boy? LOL

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If we were at war with Saudi Arabia, or perhaps, if they were at war with us, we might be justified in SEIZING THEIR OIL FIELDS and taking the oil.

They are at war with us; our leaders are in denial.

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Leopard up and running. No issues, definite performance improvement.

My wife and I decided to get a laptop for Christmas this year. I am torn between getting a pc laptop or an Apple. I have no experience with Apple computers but I checked them out at Best Buy and thought they were really cool.

Anyone use both and could give me their pros/cons about both systems?

First I am biased in favor of Macs. (full disclosure)

On the face of it Apple Laptops are more expensive. However when you spec a PC to what you have on Apple they are pretty close.

Apple bundles a lot more software. Just yesterday a coworker couldn't get video off his camera of a presentation at a conference, I plugged in a camera I'd never seen and gave him a DVD in less than half an hour. I'm still trying to get a Vista machine at work to recognize my camera.

Apple pays attention to hardware, that what they build, software is a side business. The buy higher end stuff to put in their machines. I haven't had a hardware issues in years.

My laptop I can routinely go months with out a restart. The UNIX core is fundamentally more stable than Windows.

re: #36 gatorbait

If we were at war with Saudi Arabia, or perhaps, if they were at war with us, we might be justified in SEIZING THEIR OIL FIELDS and taking the oil.

Its cheaper to buy from Canada than the cost in military lives and equipment. Less hassle too.

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Leopard up and running. No issues, definite performance improvement.

My wife and I decided to get a laptop for Christmas this year. I am torn between getting a pc laptop or an Apple. I have no experience with Apple computers but I checked them out at Best Buy and thought they were really cool.

Anyone use both and could give me their pros/cons about both systems?

Yes--unless you are using some proprietary software that has to run on windows ( yes I know you can run windows on a Mac- but thats a whole other story) --get an Apple.

I'm going to put my work software on it and it's compatable. Other than that I assume Apple does all the things Vista can do.

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If we were at war with Saudi Arabia, or perhaps, if they were at war with us, we might be justified in SEIZING THEIR OIL FIELDS and taking the oil.

They are at war with us; our leaders are in denial.

WAR FOR OIL! We could, and there ain't nothing stopping us except ourselves. So much for the war for oil argument.

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OTLeopard up and running. No issues, definite performance improvement.

My wife and I decided to get a laptop for Christmas this year. I am torn between getting a pc laptop or an Apple. I have no experience with Apple computers but I checked them out at Best Buy and thought they were really cool. Anyone use both and could give me their pros/cons about both systems?

Yes--unless you are using some proprietary software that has to run on windows ( yes I know you can run windows on a Mac- but thats a whole other story) --get an Apple.

I'm going to put my work software on it and it's compatable. Other than that I assume Apple does all the things Vista can do.

I use my MacBook Pro at work in a Windows environment, other than specific test programs it is complete transparent. My boss offered to buy me a Lenovo, I said no thanks.

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DRILL, DAMN YOU, DRILL!

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re: #7 WindHorse

This will be the last time I post these links.... so far, no one has had anything to say about this. Am I nuts, or do we really need oil?

[Link: waterpoweredcar.com...]

[Link: [Link: [Link: [Link: www.panacea-bocaf.org...]...]...]...]

Sorry, this guy list me when he started talking about WTC Building 7.

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re: #35 Nevergiveup

Thanks. What's the learning curve with Apple? I am so used to Windows.

I would say pretty low, all the menus are very similar. You don't have the issues "under the hood" with Apple. I use Mac, Win 2K/XP/Vista, dos and linux extensively. The biggest issue I have is remembering which way slashes go in dos and linux.

re: #36 gatorbait

If we were at war with Saudi Arabia, or perhaps, if they were at war with us, we might be justified in SEIZING THEIR OIL FIELDS and taking the oil.

Wouldn't 15 Saudis (out of 19 hijackers) attacking the WTC, Pentagon, etc. on September 11th be enough justification? If not that, then what?

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This will be the last time I post these links.... so far, no one has had anything to say about this. Am I nuts, or do we really need oil?

[Link: waterpoweredcar.com...]

[Link: [Link: [Link: [Link: www.panacea-bocaf.org...]...]...]...]

I was interested until the article (on the water car) said the WTC buildings were taken down by C4 and not airplanes. No wonder there is no interest.

"The Saudis" that like us are pretty few, at least the ones that make Saudi policy. We're tolerated because we have money and decent military equipment to sell them. The House of Saud is also constantly on the alert for any inside their country trying to maneuver to toss them out.

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re: #35 Nevergiveup

Thanks. What's the learning curve with Apple? I am so used to Windows.

Don't know if your still around--but they are minimal. And there so far fewer problems with any sort of virus, spy ware, and other junk with macs.

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I know the nuke figure for France. I thought Germany's was high also?

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Add Japan. They're at 70 or 75% nuclear.

Send the Saudis some Ham Soda

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

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can you imagine, what would be the outrage

if the Saudis used this kind of imagery and hate towards Blacks in America?

our government, and our media and our Deptof State does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, because the people the Saudis are demonizing and excoriating

ARE JEWS

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someone show me I am wrong!

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Incredible. The Sauds pull the strings of the Bush Admin, and blame the Jews. And people like Walt and Meersheimer, and the lovely and talented John Edwards, just suck it up.

They are laughing so hard they're choking on their boiled goat.

re: #10 jcm

Choices, choices, choices.
Venezuelan oil.
Saudi oil.

Fuck 'em we've got 3 yes 3 TRILLION BARRELS RIGHT HERE! (the saud's have less than 3 billion) that's ONE THOUSAND times more oil, under our own damn feet.

All we need is the WILL to get it.

The Canadians also have about that much.

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re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

Ha! My first computer was the original IBM PC. It ran on DOS, which you had to learn to use it, and had no hard drive. Later on I purchased the IBM XT, which had a whopping 20 megabit hard drive.

Yes, I was a late bloomer owning computers. My high school has a TSR-80. Remember those?

I have built two computers since the Aptive. You can't build an Apple desktop, can you?

No the equivalent of the "BIOS" is proprietary.

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"They are laughing so hard they're choking on their boiled goat."

They're choking on their goat alright but the goat ain't boiled, if you follow my drift.

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re: #36 gatorbait

If we were at war with Saudi Arabia, or perhaps, if they were at war with us, we might be justified in SEIZING THEIR OIL FIELDS and taking the oil.

gatorbait -

We might just have been justified to do so in 1973-74. We chose not to do so - to let increased energy prices be a back door "foreign aid" program to the petro-states in the hopes they would modernize and moderate. The rest is history.

-S-

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A Jewish Woman On The Road For Palestine What part of "Their plan is to destroy Israel" don't they understand? Incidentally, weren't those "segregated" roads built to keep Israelis from being shot at?

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re: #36 gatorbait

If we were at war with Saudi Arabia, or perhaps, if they were at war with us, we might be justified in SEIZING THEIR OIL FIELDS and taking the oil.

Wouldn't 15 Saudis (out of 19 hijackers) attacking the WTC, Pentagon, etc. on September 11th be enough justification? If not that, then what?

So if 15 Americans decided on a similar attack somewhere then it would be justifiable to attack America?

The Religion of Peace

Saudi Arabia: the most dangerous country on earth. (3) Iran, (2) Pakistan, (1) Saudi Arabia.

Good point. So why is it that Pres Bush is making a big deal out of Pakistan when he calls Saudi a great ally of ours and they do not even have a goal of getting to democracy? I say we demand payments from Saudi and Kuwait and UAE and a few others for the protection that the American Armed Services have given them. I say we make it 25% of the gross revenues of all their oil.