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Al Jazeera Still Pushing at the US Door

Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 8:50:50 am PST

The media wing of the Muslim Brotherhood and the global jihad, Al Jazeera, has been unable to get many US cable providers to carry their sanitized (but still on message) English version. As we’ve noted several times, the lack of interest and the outrage and protests when providers do try to carry Al Jazeera have driven the Islamist channel to find other avenues to infiltrate, such as the jihad-friendly YouTube where they have their own special sponsored channel.

All along, Al Jazeera has been counting on America’s short attention span, knowing that quiet persistence would eventually get their nose into the tent. Now they’re making their next big move, enlisting the aid of the New York Times and Virginia Democrat Jim Moran: Lack of Al Jazeera Cable Reach in U.S. = ‘Neo-McCarthyism’.

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1 Ward Cleaver  11/12/07 8:53:41 am reply quote
Now they’re making their next big move, enlisting the aid of the New York Times and Virginia Democrat Jim Moran Moron

Ah, that's better.

2 insanity police  11/12/07 8:53:45 am reply quote

The pandering MSM is not enough for the Muslim Brotherhood? Now they need their own channel? No way. I'll drop my cable subscription if they pick up Al Jazeera.

3 BeerForMyHorses  11/12/07 8:53:50 am reply quote

Nuclear Apartheid, Neo-McCarthyism...the litany of ludicrous analogies continues.

4 rw in san diego  11/12/07 8:54:22 am reply quote

They are patient, persistent, and deadly.

5 Ward Cleaver  11/12/07 8:54:57 am reply quote

And most people refuse to read the Times. I'd say they're pretty smart.

6 HardRain  11/12/07 8:55:22 am reply quote

Al Jazeera English premiered here in South Africa on Multichoice Digital Satellite this year. Multichoice is the largest and most prolific broadcasting service on the African continent so now Al Jazeera reaches from Cape Town to Nigeria and Northern Africa. The other "news services" on offer on the same channel range include BBC, CNN, Sky News, SABC Africa and EuroNews along with an African version of CNBC.

7 wahabicorridor  11/12/07 8:56:11 am reply quote

I keep wondering how this moron keeps getting re-elected.

Now I know.

Follow the money, honey.

8 Ben Hur  11/12/07 8:56:23 am reply quote

Shame

9 FrogMarch  11/12/07 8:57:14 am reply quote
New York Times and Virginia Democrat Jim Moran:

Left-wing neo-fascists to the rescue!

10 bald headed geek  11/12/07 8:57:20 am reply quote

Moran is in favour of anyone and anything that shares his hatred of Israel.

BHG

11 Orbit Rain  11/12/07 8:57:52 am reply quote

AJ is part of the enemy Islamist propoganda, lying mindset...bottom line...

12 NJDhockeyfan  11/12/07 8:58:55 am reply quote

How about the Neo-Nazi News Channel too?

I demand an equal voice for facism!

13 bulwrk  11/12/07 9:01:25 am reply quote

Whenever there is a foul stench in the air the New York Times always seems to be present.

14 Live4Truth  11/12/07 9:01:44 am reply quote
Lack of Al Jazeera Cable Reach in U.S. = ‘Neo-McCarthyism’.

I need to research "McCarthysim", but from what I've heard, there actually was a lot of substance behind the concern of communists infiltrating America.

15 MandyManners  11/12/07 9:02:46 am reply quote
But, over all, its striving for balanced reporting from a distinct perspective seems genuine.

You cannot have balanced reporting if you go into it with any kind of perspective.

16 MandyManners  11/12/07 9:03:43 am reply quote

re: #13 bulwrk

Whenever there is a foul stench in the air the New York Times always seems to be present.

The purveyors of political flatulence.

17 pat  11/12/07 9:03:50 am reply quote

Wasn't the NYTs Stalin's paper of record?

18 vxbush  11/12/07 9:04:27 am reply quote

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19 chinesearithmetic  11/12/07 9:04:47 am reply quote

Hey, if the BBC can slip the velvet rope...

20 Dead Sea Squirrel  11/12/07 9:05:09 am reply quote

OT

No thaw in sight for the Atlas-BJ/LGF chill. The latest at Brussels J calls the European sources that gave Charles "dossiers" on VB, TBJ, and Paul Belien contemptible weasels. Atlas: "Read it all."

21 tommygum  11/12/07 9:05:26 am reply quote

I don't see McCartyism as a perjoritive.

22 WideAwake  11/12/07 9:05:48 am reply quote

Wow, that Roger Cohen sure is a smarmy pr*ck isn't he?

23 Poitiers-Lepanto  11/12/07 9:06:22 am reply quote

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Democrat Jim Moran: Lack of Al Jazeera Cable Reach in U.S. = ‘Neo-McCarthyism’.

Yes yes, I know what they mean, BUT they are ignorant putzs anyway, since a TON of new studies has definitely shown that "McCarthyism" DID save America, and the whole West !

/And I am just guessing (about the plural "putzs")

24 victor_yugo  11/12/07 9:06:53 am reply quote

Lack of Al Jazeera Cable Reach in U.S. Islamist Overlord Wannabe's = ‘Neo-McCarthyism’

There, fixed.

25 1389  11/12/07 9:07:22 am reply quote

al Jazeera is enemy propaganda. Trouble is, as long as the administration fails to identify its true enemies (in the Arabian Peninsula and elsewhere), we can't label it as such and exclude it from our midst.

It's creating a fifth column in the US and it is radicalizing impressionable youth.

We all need to take this more seriously. See:

Sen. Rick Santorum's speech at OU.

26 taxfreekiller  11/12/07 9:08:30 am reply quote

While out of town for the week end,

Of note:

Met a former Lt. Col. of Army SF , who gave a talk on the problem of Americans not understanding the real threat of the islamic ones of terror, the fact Americans in general have not been asked to sacrifice any thing much so far, and the fact the media is in full lie mode once more on the troops.

tfk talked to him after his talk and invited him on to lgf's as he has the
ear of many at the top of the heap in D.C. and they listen to him,

will advise him to watch on Sundays for open reg. or get his e addy
thingey to Charles.

later

27 Charles  11/12/07 9:09:20 am reply quote

re: #20 Dead Sea Squirrel

OT

No thaw in sight for the Atlas-BJ/LGF chill. The latest at Brussels J calls the European sources that gave Charles "dossiers" on VB, TBJ, and Paul Belien contemptible weasels. Atlas: "Read it all."

That's the person who praised the British National Party.

28 MandyManners  11/12/07 9:09:28 am reply quote

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30 MandyManners  11/12/07 9:10:36 am reply quote

re: #18 vxbush

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31 experiencedtraveller  11/12/07 9:10:46 am reply quote

re: #14 Live4Truth

Lack of Al Jazeera Cable Reach in U.S. = ‘Neo-McCarthyism’.

I need to research "McCarthysim", but from what I've heard, there actually was a lot of substance behind the concern of communists infiltrating America.

Start with Ann Coulter for the appetizer and proceed to M. Stanton Evans for the main meal.

32 Bearster  11/12/07 9:11:19 am reply quote

LLL's are fond of claiming that Iraq is about taking their oil... and yet, there are dozens of things we'd be doing differently if that was the case (including siezing the oil fields!)

The same applies to this nonsense about McCarthyism. If that were true, not only would the gov't have won its case against the HLF, but there would have been cases against CAIR and many other fellow travellers. And the government would have won convictions on those counts too. There would not be Islamists coming to visit Columbia or Harvard, being appointed to various government panels and agencies.

OK, so much for the things that ought to be true in order for us to defeat the jihad. McCarthyism was a witch-hunt era. It entailed a lot more than not cavorting with people who are openly sworn to our destruction.

If we lived in a McCarthyist era about Islam today, then large numbers of cases with little to no evidence would result in convictions. Muslims (and non-Muslims with funny-sounding names) would lose their jobs, visas would not be renewed. Journalists and newspapers would be invited to a private session and told, in no uncertain terms, how to bias their reporting against Muslims.

No, folks, if this were a McCarthy era, it would be bloody obvious.

33 vxbush  11/12/07 9:11:28 am reply quote

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34 Bob in Breckenridge  11/12/07 9:11:34 am reply quote

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35 MandyManners  11/12/07 9:11:45 am reply quote

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36 marwan's daughter  11/12/07 9:12:43 am reply quote

re: #23 Poitiers-Lepanto

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Democrat Jim Moran: Lack of Al Jazeera Cable Reach in U.S. = ‘Neo-McCarthyism’.

Yes yes, I know what they mean, BUT they are ignorant putzs anyway, since a TON of new studies has definitely shown that "McCarthyism" DID save America, and the whole West !

/And I am just guessing (about the plural "putzs")

Not true. Joe McCarthy was just a demagogue who took advantage of the legitimate fear of Communist infiltration of the US government. People who were Communists were found out anyway, and no one needed McCarthy to root them out. Now I think the term "McCarthyism", like the term "racism", is overused even when there is legitimate concern. But that doesn't mean we should whitewash McCarthy's legacy.

37 MandyManners  11/12/07 9:13:13 am reply quote

re: #33 vxbush

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38 stashiu  11/12/07 9:13:29 am reply quote

re: #14 Live4Truth

Lack of Al Jazeera Cable Reach in U.S. = ‘Neo-McCarthyism’.

I need to research "McCarthysim", but from what I've heard, there actually was a lot of substance behind the concern of communists infiltrating America.

Check out the Venona transcripts. It's all there in black and white. Make sure you read the actual transcripts, and not some leftists apologia.

39 1389  11/12/07 9:14:13 am reply quote

re: #21 tommygum

I don't see McCartyism as a perjoritive.

Me neither! In contrast to the McCarthy era, when at least we could name Communism and the Soviet Union as our enemies, we are now so politically correct that we are reduced to saying that we are fighting a "global war on terror." Santorum's speech also covers the issue of our inability to identify our enemies, among other things.

40 canadianally  11/12/07 9:14:16 am reply quote

I'm still trying to access the video of the flags falling on Hillary. Priceless, but the server is too busy.

Help!

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

41 bulwrk  11/12/07 9:14:45 am reply quote

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42 Pyrocles  11/12/07 9:15:08 am reply quote

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43 bikermailman  11/12/07 9:15:24 am reply quote

re: #14 Live4Truth

Lack of Al Jazeera Cable Reach in U.S. = ‘Neo-McCarthyism’.

I need to research "McCarthysim", but from what I've heard, there actually was a lot of substance behind the concern of communists infiltrating America.

First assignment for your research: Observe the US State Dept.
Second assignment: Education

44 toomanysnax  11/12/07 9:17:42 am reply quote

re: #29 Ringo the Gringo

OT -

45 bikermailman  11/12/07 9:17:50 am reply quote

re: #26 taxfreekiller

While out of town for the week end,

Of note:

Met a former Lt. Col. of Army SF , who gave a talk on the problem of Americans not understanding the real threat of the islamic ones of terror, the fact Americans in general have not been asked to sacrifice any thing much so far, and the fact the media is in full lie mode once more on the troops.

tfk talked to him after his talk and invited him on to lgf's as he has the
ear of many at the top of the heap in D.C. and they listen to him,

will advise him to watch on Sundays for open reg. or get his e addy
thingey to Charles.

later

Good on ya.

46 victor_yugo  11/12/07 9:20:44 am reply quote

re: #32 Bearster

No, folks, if this were a McCarthy era, it would be bloody obvious.

Exactly.

47 bikermailman  11/12/07 9:20:50 am reply quote

re: #34 Bob in Breckenridge

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48 mad_scientist  11/12/07 9:22:51 am reply quote

re: #3 BeerForMyHorses

Nuclear Apartheid, Neo-McCarthyism...the litany of ludicrous analogies continues.

rotating title in bold?

49 Ward Cleaver  11/12/07 9:22:51 am reply quote

OT - The latest threats from al-Qaeda (from MEMRI TV):

Al-Qaeda Leader Abu Yahya Al-Liby: We Will Continue the Jihad until All the People in the World Submit to the Rule of Islam

Al-Liby: Only a few years ago, America, which is one of the major evildoers of this era, would brag about its power and boast about its army and military equipment. Everyone was subjugated to it and surrendered to its decisions. Nobody criticized America or objected to it. They were all just begging and pleading, kissing the threshold of the White House and the shoes of its politicians. But today – where is America? Where are its power and its hollow pomp? Whatever happened to the slogan: "You are either with us or against us"? Where are all the threats and warnings? Whatever happened to the vanity and arrogance of the American army and politicians? Whatever happened to the worth of the American soldier, the killing of whom used to make headlines in all the media? Today, these soldiers are dragged through the streets of Baghdad, hung on the bridges of Fallujah, rolled on the rocks of Afghanistan, and burned to charcoal in the heart of its capital, Kabul. Nonetheless, reports of these matters pass unnoticed – if they receive any mention at all in the media – and are not considered marginal reports, unworthy of air time on news bulletins...

50 pingjockey  11/12/07 9:25:01 am reply quote

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51 LoFlyer  11/12/07 9:26:31 am reply quote

Investigation of the "McCarthy era" has revealed that there were many communist sympathizers, especially in Hollywood and the state department. Witness the British defectors Kim Philby and others who penetrated British MI5 and MI6 and compromised many western intelligence operations. The Philby cell were all graduates of Rhodes with communist sympathies recruited by the KGB for espionage. All of this is history.
The liberals and the NYT would have us all believe that Communism offered no threat to the west and that McCarthyism was just a huge mistake, much like the US government interning all Japanese-Americans in WWII. This is not the case and the liberals conveniently forget all the millions of civilians killed by communism in the twentieth century. As bad as Hitler was, Communism has killed about 10 times more people than the Nazi's.
This selective memory enables liberals to designate President Bush as a war-criminal whilst ignoring the real killers of humanity like Kim Jong II of North Korea.

52 bald headed geek  11/12/07 9:26:34 am reply quote

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53 sandspur  11/12/07 9:28:19 am reply quote

Slightly OT
Look at this article on the Dark Web project. Read the whole thing. The Dark Web Project could be a very valuable tool in the war against Islamic extremism.

Tens of thousands of Web pages are now devoted to terrorist propaganda designed to attract followers. On the surface, the messages and videos reveal little about their creators. But programmers and writers leave digital clues: the greetings and other words they choose, their punctuation and syntax, and the way they code multimedia attachments and Web links.
Researchers at the University of Arizona are developing a tool that uses these clues to automate the analysis of online jihadism. The Dark Web project aims to scour Web sites, forums and chat rooms to find the Internet's most prolific and influential jihadists and learn how they reel in adherents.

Lab director Hsinchun Chen hopes Dark Web will crimp what he calls "al-Qaida University on the Web," the mass of Web sites where potential terrorists learn their trade, from making explosives to planning attacks. Experts said they are not aware of any comparable effort, though some said the project may have only limited applications.

The project in the university's Artificial Intelligence Lab will not identify people outside cyberspace "because that involves civil liberties," Chen said, preferring to let law enforcement and intelligence analysts take over from there. Instead, it will help identify messages with the same author and reveal links that aren't obvious.

"Our tool will help them ID the high-risk, radical opinion leaders in cyberspace," Chen said.

I think this is fascinating.

54 bald headed geek  11/12/07 9:28:45 am reply quote

re: #37 MandyManners


I feel very juvenile at times.

Hah! I feel juvenile ALL the time! So there!

BHG

55 kevinmumaw  11/12/07 9:33:53 am reply quote

The New York Times? Color me shocked. Seems they want to foster a mentor-protege approach to islamofascist journalism.

56 JammieWearingFool  11/12/07 9:40:07 am reply quote

Thanks for the link, Charles.

Just got back from lunch at Neo-McCarthyite headquarters; the sauteed moonbat was delicious.

57 OldLineTexan  11/12/07 9:41:37 am reply quote

re: #49 Ward Cleaver

OT - The latest threats from al-Qaeda (from MEMRI TV):

58 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  11/12/07 9:46:19 am reply quote

I read that my cable provider here in Israel dropped CNN for Al Jazz! I guess they thought CNN International's "nuanced" view of the world was more dangerous.

59 tommygum  11/12/07 9:48:03 am reply quote

re: #40 canadianally

I'm still trying to access the video of the flags falling on Hillary. Priceless, but the server is too busy.

Help!

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

That ig a message from G*d.

60 vapig  11/12/07 9:51:12 am reply quote

As a Virginian, I'd like to start a movement that bans any candidate whose name is ether Moran or Warner from ever being able to hold public office.

Also, never fear folks - the Webb-head is dead. He will be a one-hit wonder!

61 Tumulus11  11/12/07 9:51:15 am reply quote
'The second essential change is the erosion of American power. Samantha Power, the author and Harvard professor, calls this “the core fact of recent years.”
// Roger Cohen, The New York Times

. How they wish.

62 tommygum  11/12/07 9:52:37 am reply quote

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63 vapig  11/12/07 9:53:42 am reply quote

Also, never fear folks - the Webb-head is dead. He will be a one-hit wonder!

Lest there be any confusion - what I meant by that is his political future is dead. Well - unless he moves to Maryland, California, Washington or New York.....

64 Sevoguy  11/12/07 9:53:45 am reply quote

Flags fall around Hilary Clinton in Waterloo, Iowa, Nov. 11, 2007 |

THIS IS AN OMEN. THE US FLAG FALLS ALL AROUND HILLARY.

If she becomes the President of the United States, we will fall as a world power and then as a nation.

My American brothers and sisters..............this is an omen from GOD himself.

Any candidate that has the backing of Osama bin Ladin and the rest of the cockroach islamists, is a candidate that has made a deal with the devil himself.

65 vapig  11/12/07 9:55:46 am reply quote

#64 Sevoguy

LOL! I heard about that! I also found it apropos that she was in WATERLOO!

Maybe this will BE her Waterloo!

66 Poitiers-Lepanto  11/12/07 9:57:09 am reply quote

re: #36 marwan's daughter

re: #23 Poitiers-Lepanto

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Democrat Jim Moran: Lack of Al Jazeera Cable Reach in U.S. = ‘Neo-McCarthyism’.

Yes yes, I know what they mean, BUT they are ignorant putzs anyway, since a TON of new studies has definitely shown that "McCarthyism" DID save America, and the whole West !

/And I am just guessing (about the plural "putzs")

Not true. Joe McCarthy was just a demagogue who took advantage of the legitimate fear of Communist infiltration of the US government. People who were Communists were found out anyway, and no one needed McCarthy to root them out. Now I think the term "McCarthyism", like the term "racism", is overused even when there is legitimate concern. But that doesn't mean we should whitewash McCarthy's legacy.

Thank you for making the effort to repeat the lies spread by the commies themselves for the last few decades.
You don't know what you are talking about and you could be helped by a little search for info about the Venona papers or the recently published researches about McCarthy.
Read Treason by Coulter, that is extremely rich of references and go from there with your own research.

If you are in good faith, you are in for a big surprise.
if you are a lefty and someone who believes in the left's propaganda, don't bother.

67 jcm  11/12/07 9:58:42 am reply quote

re: #37 MandyManners

re: #33 vxbush

re: #30 MandyManners

Heh.™

I feel very juvenile at times. The wonders of raising The Kid.

Co-worker called our two foster boys ages 4 & 3 the "two foot terrorists" they like group tinkles, one on either side of the pot. Well that came to and end yesterday. A for real pissing contested.

68 Poitiers-Lepanto  11/12/07 9:58:55 am reply quote

re: #35 MandyManners

re: #23 Poitiers-Lepanto

/And I am just guessing (about the plural "putzs")

Is it "putzim" in Yiddish and "putzes" in English?

I don't know. Putzim sounds too...respectful.
Putzes sounds correct, thank you.

69 wahabicorridor  11/12/07 10:00:00 am reply quote

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70 ChildOfMary  11/12/07 10:07:22 am reply quote

From the article:

Comparative courses in how Al Jazeera, CNN, the BBC and U.S. networks portray the Iraq war and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict should be taught in all U.S. high schools and colleges. Al Jazeera English should be widely available.

This would be fine if it was preceeded by courses in logic and clear thinking and recognizing propaganda and the differences between a free press and the controlled press in other countries -- wait, what am I thinking, all that would produce citizens able to see through the presentations of Al Jazeera English -- can't have that they would be harder for the moonbats to control.

71 canadianally  11/12/07 10:08:46 am reply quote

God and Veterans have spoken to Hillary.

72 ChildOfMary  11/12/07 10:10:37 am reply quote

re: #68 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #35 MandyManners


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73 Gordon Marock  11/12/07 10:17:16 am reply quote

I say let Al Jazeera on cable, provided that the arabic language version with subtitles is also carried on the same network.

74 Trinitytim  11/12/07 10:19:44 am reply quote

America needs to wake up and they need to wake up fast. The Islamification of America is well under way. Follow this link to understand what is really going on.

[Link: www.usawakeup.org...]

No to Iran. No to Saudi Arabia. No to Al Jazeera.

75 samhein  11/12/07 10:22:01 am reply quote

re: #40 canadianally

I'm still trying to access the video of the flags falling on Hillary. Priceless, but the server is too busy.

Help!

[Link:

76 opnion  11/12/07 10:25:10 am reply quote

We are at war. This is the enemy mouth piece.
The US government did not help Germany & japan with WW11 propaganda

77 Oh no...Sand People!  11/12/07 10:28:27 am reply quote

We could use a little more McCarthy.

78 buzzsawmonkey  11/12/07 10:38:42 am reply quote

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79 Oh no...Sand People!  11/12/07 10:49:06 am reply quote

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

re: #77 Oh no...Sand People!

We could use a little more McCarthy.

Charlie, yes.

Joe? No thanks.

Joe is the man. A little tipsy, but as a commie pig fighter, I would take him over anyone currently. He stood up when no one would. A witch hunt? 1995 Venona Cables proved all 200+, but one, were not only named in Soviet Cables but were CARD CARRYING members of the communist regime. The history revisionists have pulled a number on that one. Now since no one deals with the threat seriously, it would be interesting to see how infiltrated we are once again.

80 Bob in Breckenridge  11/12/07 10:59:04 am reply quote

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81 Bob in Breckenridge  11/12/07 11:08:39 am reply quote

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82 LanceKates  11/12/07 11:11:59 am reply quote

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83 LanceKates  11/12/07 11:14:45 am reply quote

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84 LanceKates  11/12/07 11:27:35 am reply quote

remember, it was an american democrat president that referred to Stalin as "Uncle Joe" and wouldn't believe that Stalin was starving off the masses.

85 buzzsawmonkey  11/12/07 11:34:02 am reply quote

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86 LanceKates  11/12/07 11:49:14 am reply quote

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87 gagalbert  11/12/07 11:50:23 am reply quote

Maybe the folks at Al Jazeera and the idiot Congressman Moran should read the new book by M. Stanton Evans: "Blacklisted by History" which basically makes the case that McCarthy was substantially right about the Communist infiltration in the our government and society. It was part of the means by which the Communists waged war and it is similar to what the Islamists are trying to do now.

88 Clubbeaux  11/12/07 11:51:10 am reply quote

So now that, we're told, liberals all really know that McCarthy was right all along, I guess this means that calling keeping al-Jazeera off "Neo-McCarthyism" means that they're saying they approve?

Gotta get me a scorecard to keep the liberals' "beliefs" straight.

89 Meremortal  11/12/07 11:59:05 am reply quote

I wonder if Al Qaeda's recent verbal attack on AJ was a false flag attempt to make AL look "fair and balanced" to the West.

90 Bearster  11/12/07 11:59:17 am reply quote

re: #39 1389

re: #21 tommygum


I don't see McCartyism as a perjoritive.

Me neither!

So you defend McCarthyism and, his witch hunts, and his powerlust?

Or is it that you simply have no idea what McCarthy actually did?


In contrast to the McCarthy era, when at least we could name Communism and the Soviet Union as our enemies, we are now so politically correct that we are reduced to saying that we are fighting a "global war on terror."

If this was the extent of your message, I would agree. Today, we bend over backwards to any group that can position itself as a "victim".

But, and this is a Big But. One doesn't call for evil as a replacement for evil, even if the "evil" is a different kind of evil than the "evil". Capiche?

To put it another way, we don't ally with Euro-white-supremacists in order to fight islamic-supremacists!

91 littleO  11/12/07 12:00:00 pm reply quote

Stop the bickering. Congress needs to legislate toward energy independance. If they don't, all but the feable minded, need to create a ground swell of criticism that changes the makeup of congress.
Don't say it can't happen. Political heat was raised in Indiana over insane new property taxes to the extent the govenor stepped in and repealed the taxes. He introduced new legislation capping property taxes at 1%.
In the just concluded local elections the dem's were swept out.The dem mayor was canned in the biggest upset in Indiana history. Central Indiana is vertually all republican.
The strategy is to get the candidates and congress to focus on winning the war and energy independence. Don't settle for the phony questions the media and the candidates and congress want to focus on.

92 LanceKates  11/12/07 12:00:56 pm reply quote

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93 buzzsawmonkey  11/12/07 12:02:26 pm reply quote

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94 LanceKates  11/12/07 12:02:58 pm reply quote

Venona cables ring a bell?

95 littleO  11/12/07 12:03:14 pm reply quote

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96 LanceKates  11/12/07 12:03:53 pm reply quote

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97 LanceKates  11/12/07 12:05:40 pm reply quote

McCarthy was right. in almost EVERY case, he was right.

That the Democrats in power, who were friends with these soviet scum, kept anything from being done doesn't negate that he was right.

It SHOULD serve as a reason to not only DISTRUST Liberals, but also work to keep them out of office.

instead, the Venona Cables are largely ignored by the left, not taught to students and otherwise brushed under the carpet.

That way they can keep screaming "McCarthyism!" in a negative light.

98 buzzsawmonkey  11/12/07 12:06:16 pm reply quote

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99 buzzsawmonkey  11/12/07 12:07:34 pm reply quote

And, quite frankly, anyone who worships at the altar of the incompetent Senator McCarthy is falling into the same form-over-substance trap that we enjoy chortling at when it is exhibited by moonbats.

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102 LanceKates  11/12/07 12:14:06 pm reply quote

What did you want McCarthy to do that he wasn't already trying to do?

shoot them?

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107 LanceKates  11/12/07 1:27:49 pm reply quote

re: #106 buzzsawmonkey

1) McCarthy--despite all his hearings, all his "investigations," all his (undocumented) accusations, removed not one communist from the United States government.

I blame the Democrats who constantly fought against him, both in the hearings, but also via the newspapers.

2) Measured by results, his "campaign against communists" must therefore be considered a failure.

Again, the blame falls on the Demcorats. FDR and Truman were BOTH very defensive of Hiss.

3) His recklessness in accusation and his inability to document charges brought the very enterprise of removing communists from the goverment into disrepute, from which that enterprise has never recovered. On that score, McCarthy must be considered a failure.


For a third time, I still blame the Democrats.

4) Private citizen Whittaker Chambers, with none of the government apparatus at his command which Joseph McCarthy could claim, was nonetheless responsible for the conviction (on perjury charges) and removal from office of Alger Hiss. This makes private citizen Chambers a more effective communist-hunter than Senator McCarthy.

Private Citizen Chambers WAS a soviet spy who defected to our side. He had the DOCUMENTS, and even when providing those he was cast off as a kook and blacklisted for most of his life by the same liberals that bash McCarthy.

5) McCarthy attacked not only communists, but homosexuals, as security risks subject to blackmail. His attacks made homosexuals more vulnerable to dismissal, therefore more subject to blackmail--thus exacerbating a security risk problem which he was claiming to address.


In what way is his stance on homosexuality in any way related to soviet spies?

6) McCarthy's chief counsel was in fact homosexual.


Again, in what way is his stance on homosexuality REMOTELY related to his views on communism?

7) Whether McCarthy was himself a communist agent or not, his failure to actually remove a single communist from government and the disrepute which his tactics brought to such campaigns could not have served the communists better if he had intended them to.


You're not SERIOUS suggesting that McCarther was a communist agent, are you?

8) In the course of his (unsuccessful) "campaigns" against communists, McCarthy was responsible for suspicion falling upon many citizens who had no way to clear their names.


List them. List the names of the 'many citizens' that McCarthy pointed out during his 'campaigns' that ended up NOT being proven to be a communist spy/supporter.

9) The fact that Soviet documents confirm the presence of communists in the American government in no way excuses McCarthy's excesses, or his failures.


Again... he only failed because the Democrats who opposed him were SUPPORTING those that were later proven to be soviet spies. (For which no democrat has yet to apologize for, I might add)

that McCarthy may have inadvertently named a communist in the course of his clown act is no reflection of virtue upon him--particularly as there is no record of his ever having removed a communist from office.


not A communist.... he named around 200 of them, and apart from one or two, they were ALL proven to have been soviet spies. ALL OF THEM... yet you treat him like some crackpot without giving any sort of alternative action that he could have done.

At best, McCarthy was an incompetent fool. Whether he was actually an out and out fraud, or--worse--a double agent, I leave to others to determine. But he was not, under any str