Damn right, free speech

Well, that's some good news for a change. Hope this becomes a trend.

SFSU grudgingly acknowledges the First Amendment on non-PC issue?

Alert the media!

Nice to see some common sense from the Magistrate

So the flags of two terrorist outfits have the word "allah" written on them? But I though islam had nothing to do with terrorism?

Stomping and burning flags is legal in the US as POLITICAL SPEECH. Has been for about 30 years. Sorry Hezzies & Hammies, this is the USA.

-S-

re: #3 RTLM

Oh, I can see the media noting how evil this is without considering the free-speech issues and just mentioning our need for "sensitivity."

/spit

I am against protesting but I'm not sure how to show it.

DAMN! Free speech rights, maybe somebody ought to write that one down.

Brazil said he would issue a preliminary injunction barring the university from enforcing the civility standard in any disciplinary proceeding. He said the university can continue to enforce another rule disputed by the College Republicans - prohibiting intimidation or harassment - but can use the rule to punish students only for threatening someone’s health or safety, and not merely for offensive statements or conduct.

Far from a clear win, it still lets the SFSU administrators go after the protestors if they claim that they're threatening someone's health or safety. Expect CAIR to whine and seethe that the health and safety of Muslim students on campus is imperiled by these protests and the Administration will act accordingly.

Lawfare.

I would probably get arrested if I did this at George Mason.

Free Speech

it's only fair to allow "both sides" freedom of expression

CAIR's article condemning the Islamophobic magistrate's decision in 5, 4, 3, ...

/I don't understand how the courts would allow the fascist/Nazi/racist/homophobes of the College Republikkkans to get away with that.

re: #5 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

So the flags of two terrorist outfits have the word "allah" written on them? But I though islam had nothing to do with terrorism?

THere, now it's more like the truth.

of course, you still have the freedom, too, to tell somebody to shut up, as was the case with Hugo Chavez a few days back

Screw SFSU. It's still a antisemitic hate school:

[Link: cinnamonstillwell.blogspot.com...]

The hypocrisy of the liberal/academic complex is breathtaking

A student later complained that the organization had engaged in “actions of incivility” and had tried to incite violence and create a hostile environment.

Dar ul Harb -- a hostile environment? For whom?

Finally, a flag desecration for the rest of us.

The pendulum. Could it be swinging in the correct direction, finally?

Mind you, stomping on an enemy flag is still effectively engaging in a voodoo ceremony.

Bio for Judge Brazil (from this PDF):

During his tenure on the Court since 1984, Judge Brazil has handled the full range of judicial work. He has also helped design,
implement, and oversee the court’s comprehensive ADR program. He has been a member of the 9th Circuit’s Standing Committee on
ADR since its formation early in 1998. Judge Brazil has served the Judicial Conference of the U.S. in three capacities. He was a
member of the Advisory Committee on Civil Rules; he served as the liaison from that Committee to the Committee on the Rules of
Evidence; and he was an advisor to the principal writer for the Conference’s Special Committee on the Civil Justice Reform Act.

In addition to his published opinions, Judge Brazil has written books about settlement and about the use of special masters as well as
numerous law review articles. Among his achievements, in 1998 he received an award from the CPR Institute for Dispute Resolution
(New York) for Sustained Outstanding ADR Contributions to Court Program Design, Scholarship, Education and Advocacy. Prior to
becoming a Magistrate Judge, Wayne Brazil was a law professor and before that a litigation associate. He has a bachelor’s degree
from Stanford, a master’s degree and a PhD in American History from Harvard University, and a J.D. from UC Berkeley, Boalt Hall.

re: #15 Golem Akbar

Yes this is an expression of intolerance while burning the US flag is an expression of free speech. Wtf was I thinking. The Folsen Street Fair is also a geniune family friendly event that celebrates diversity and the American way of life.
/sarc

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Finally, a flag desecration for the rest of us.

Rotating title nominee.

The Clinton people have gotten to the CNN execs

CNN's Wolf Blitzer has been warned not to focus Thursday's Dem debate on Hillary. 'This campaign is about issues, not on who we can bring down and destroy,' top Clinton insider explains. 'Blitzer should not go down to the levels of character attack and pull 'a Russert.'' Blitzer is set to moderate debate from Vegas, with questions also being posed by Suzanne Malveaux... Developing...

via drudge

don't worry... the 9th Circuit Court will overturn this ruling.

(i wish i was being "/sarc" %-)

re: #23 The Other Les

Mind you, stomping on an enemy flag is still effectively engaging in a voodoo ceremony.

So it would fall under freedom of religious expression?

re: #11 lawhawk

Brazil said he would issue a preliminary injunction barring the university from enforcing the civility standard in any disciplinary proceeding. He said the university can continue to enforce another rule disputed by the College Republicans - prohibiting intimidation or harassment - but can use the rule to punish students only for threatening someone’s health or safety, and not merely for offensive statements or conduct.

Far from a clear win, it still lets the SFSU administrators go after the protestors if they claim that they're threatening someone's health or safety. Expect CAIR to whine and seethe that the health and safety of Muslim students on campus is imperiled by these protests and the Administration will act accordingly.

Lawfare.

I'm no lawyer but even I can get there in 25 words or less. Stomping Allah causes mental anguish in Muslims, some of whom snap and become violent. Therefore, it is a mental health threat and should be banned.

Does that mean I get to play with the Allah soccer ball?

re: #29 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #23 The Other Les

Mind you, stomping on an enemy flag is still effectively engaging in a voodoo ceremony.

So it would fall under freedom of religious expression?

Yes.

re: #23 The Other Les

Mind you, stomping on an enemy flag is still effectively engaging in a voodoo ceremony.

This is true, however the great think about voodoo (which I believe is total b/s) is that if the other person THINKS it works, then in a way it does, and you win.

If doing something as stupid and innane as stomping on a Hamas flag can cause Hamassholes to go into mental meltdown mode, the I guess it works

U.S. Magistrate Wayne Brazil

Wayne- you ROCK!

OT but in line with the general topic (Islamic whining)

Muslim (questionble) backlash alert

St. Pete Police Tackle 2 Stories In Muslim Girl's Threat Case
When asked Friday by an assistant principal, a sixth-grade Azalea Middle School student denied being told by a classmate that he would bring a gun and kill her, according to a St. Petersburg Police Department report.

At a news conference Monday, the 11-year-old girl, Hannah, told reporters she was afraid to go to back to school after a boy pulled off her hijab, an Islamic head scarf, and the next day threatened kill her.

Hannah, her parents, and Council on American-Islamic Relations spokesman Ahmed Bedier said administrators never questioned the girl about a threat.

Police spokesman Bill Proffitt said the preliminary report states that Hannah was questioned by an assistant principal Friday morning and said she was not threatened.

School administrators say the threat reported Thursday by Hannah's parents involved a BB gun and that the boy's parents said he does not own one, Proffitt said.

Police generally get involved whenever there is a gun incident at a school, but it can go either way when the incident involves a BB gun, Proffitt said.

He could not explain why the school resource officer was not notified until Monday.

Police hoped to question the girl this morning and close the gap between what she and school administrators have said.

re: #33 ParanoidPyro

re: #23 The Other Les

Mind you, stomping on an enemy flag is still effectively engaging in a voodoo ceremony.

This is true, however the great think about voodoo (which I believe is total b/s) is that if the other person THINKS it works, then in a way it does, and you win.

If doing something as stupid and innane as stomping on a Hamas flag can cause Hamassholes to go into mental meltdown mode, the I guess it works

It also provide concrete evidence of the fact that Allah doesn't give a sh*t.

I've dealt with Judge Brazil on a number of cases before. He's a really nice guy on a personal level, and I've always found him to be meticulously fair in interpreting the law, if a little too sympathetic to criminal defendants for my taste.

Let me tell you, I have seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears crowds of [bigoted word] students and their sympathizers marching at UCSF shouting "Death to America" while burning US flags, and depictions of Bush, and so on. They have done this post 9/11. I have seen same subject to no sanctions whatsoever. I live near UCSF.

I

wonder how many US flags have been stomped, burned, and otherwise desecrated at San Francisco State University, without a word of protest from the administration?

Why would the administration protest desecration of the American flag, it doesn't have the word Allah printed on it?

re: #28 redc1c4

don't worry... the 9th Circuit Court will overturn this ruling.

(i wish i was being "/sarc" %-)

Much better than an even money bet unfortunately. It would be great if the supreme court were to then overturn it.

re: #25 SecretInternetDoucheBag

re: #15 Golem Akbar

Yes this is an expression of intolerance while burning the US flag is an expression of free speech. Wtf was I thinking. The Folsen Street Fair is also a geniune family friendly event that celebrates diversity and the American way of life.
/sarc

And don't forget the family-friendly Halloween fair in the Castro District! /Bring the kiddies...

No no no!

Burning the AMERICAN flag is protected speech!

That's just racism!

Is this the same article from 5 days ago?

(Checks.)

Yes, it is. OK, that's fine, I thought there had been a new development in the case. I thought this had been a thread last week already? I guess not. Better late than never, I suppose!

Anyway, speaking of flag desecration in SF, in case no one's posted it yet:

I Pledge Aversion to the Flag

Is it now OK to get an Allah ink stamp and use it to mark toilet seats, floor tiles ect...?

re: #46 ROPMA

Is it now OK to get an Allah ink stamp and use it to mark toilet seats, floor tiles ect...?

No. That would be defacing private and public property.

Screw Allah and the meteorite he rode in on.

I wonder what kind of trouble one would find themselves in if they were to stomp on this flag at SFSU?

Oh yeah, and while we're at it, at the same SF rally with US flag desecrations, people were proudly flying the Hamas flag -- the very one stomped on at SFSU, with the word Allah on it.

Basically, it just comes down to what side you're on. Do you want an Islamic government, or a constitutional democracy? You choose. Then wave or desecrate the flag of yoiur choice.

I know what side I'm on.

re: #36 The Other Les

It also provide concrete evidence of the fact that Allah doesn't give a sh*t.

Thus providing the contrapositive to Descartes' famous theorem:

"Allah don't give a sh*t, therefore Allah don't exist."

You know, this is going to have a chilling effect on all future demonstrations in the Bay Area, from now on. I would think groups like CAIR, DU, and Move On may want to make an appeal to a higher court or the New York Times.

My sister refers to this flag as the Republican Flag of America.

re: #50 Ringo the Gringo

I wonder what kind of trouble one would find themselves in if they were to stomp on this flag at SFSU?

Actually, SFSU has been mostly taken over by Palestinian groups. They probably wouldn't mind at all.

They unveiled their school-funded public Edward Said mural the other day. Beyond nauseating.

re: #50 Ringo the Gringo

I wonder what kind of trouble one would find themselves in if they were to stomp on this flag at SFSU?

You might be able to get away with it, just as long as you didn't bend over while doing it.

Woops, that's the inverse, not the contrapositive.

#46 ROPMA 11/13/07 9:27:27 am reply quote report 1

Is it now OK to get an Allah ink stamp and use it to mark toilet seats, floor tiles ect...?

I can forsee a fun group of ink-stampers going around and inking the-pedophile-mohammad's face on toilet seats and urinals. re: #46 ROPMA

A student later complained that the organization had engaged in “actions of incivility” and had tried to incite violence and create a hostile environment.

Is this going to be the standard still? We need to put an LGF operative at SFSU quickly. Once in place, our operative can later complain of "actions of incivility" after every leftist protest, and Friday sermon at the local wahhabist mosque that may try incite violence and create a hostile environment.

re: #49 Canadian Infidel

Screw Allah and the meteorite he rode in on.

Under pre-islamic management the meteor was considered to be a lingham. (Unfortunately the site is no longer active.)

The Black Stone which is the Shiv Emblem (also known as Sange Aswad which is a corrupted form of the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta--meaning non-white stone) still survives in the Kaba as the central object of Islamic veneration. All other Vedic Idols could be found buried in the precincts or trampled underfoot in labyrinthine subterranean corridors if archaeological excavations are undertaken. The Black Stone has been badly mutilated, its carved base has disappeared and the stone itself is broken at seven places. It's parts are now held together by a silver band studded with silver nails. It lies half buried in the South Eastern portion of the Kaba Wall (Refer to Figure 1). The term Kaba itself is a corruption of the Sanskrit word Gabha (Garbha + Graha) which means Sanctum.

In addition, in the inscriptions from Hajja and its neighborhood was found a votive vessel dedicated by members of two tribes called Rama and Somia. Rama and Soma are Vedic deities, Rama is of the Solar dynasty and Soma is of the Lunar Dynasty. The moon god was called by various names in pre-Islamic times , one of them was Allah. Allah had 3 children, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat. Al-Lat and Al-Uzza were both feminine deities. Alla is another name for the Hindu goddess Durga. It is obvious that the goddess Al-Lat was Alla (Durga) and Al-Uzza was Oorja (energy or life force also known as Shakti). Manat was none other than Somnath which is another name for Lord Shiva. One significant point to note that Soma in Sanskrit means Moon and Nath means Lord. Thus the Kaba itself was dedicated to the Moon God Somnath alias Shiv and the word Somnath was corrupted to Manat. The famous Black Stone is none other than the ShivLing of Makkeshwar alias Mecca. Lord Shiva is always shown with a crescent Moon on his head and every Shiva temple is supposed to have a sacred water spring representing the Ganges. The Crescent Moon pinnacle of the Kaba and the Zamzam spring (actually Zamza from Ganga) are irrefutable testaments to the Vedic origins of the Kaba.

Elsewhere in wacademia, ColumbiaU prof joins suicide extortionists hunger strikers;

Editorial Board: Dalton's Decision

Barnard professor Dennis Dalton's decision to join the now six-day-old student hunger strike has raised new questions about the legitimacy of the strikers' demands and the role of student-faculty cooperation on controversial issues.

As Michelle put it: It’s hard to parody these multicultural mobsters.

Bonus: ColumbiaU mob faculty condemns President Bollinger... for condemning Ahmadinejad.

#46 ROPMA 11/13/07 9:27:27 am reply quote report 1

Is it now OK to get an Allah ink stamp and use it to mark toilet seats, floor tiles ect...? ...and footbaths!

re: #55 zombie

re: #50 Ringo the Gringo

I wonder what kind of trouble one would find themselves in if they were to stomp on this flag at SFSU?

Actually, SFSU has been mostly taken over by Palestinian groups. They probably wouldn't mind at all.

They unveiled their school-funded public Edward Said mural the other day. Beyond nauseating.

My logical mind can't get around gays not paying attention to the threat from Islamofascism.

re: #59 Sharmuta

The whole place is an extremely hostile environment for anyone who isn't a Palestinian Israel-hater or a communist America-hater. It's probably the most radical public college in America.

zombie,

school-funded public Edward Said mural

This mural?...Yeeech!

The student Republicans should petition for a Mark Steyn mural.

I'm certain that if you tried that at any UK university you'd get arrested under the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006, which is ironic considering it was originally brought in to stop religious hatred but only seems to be used to protect extremists from ridicule. Mind you, we could always just burn pics of Nasrallah and AhmMadInADinnerJacket, unless the twits go and get Allah's name tattooed across their foreheads! Darn, why didn't I think of this before Bonfire Night!?!?

Yes yes yes yes yes!

Finally some sense. Finally someone who is willing to stand up to the grand wizards of the ivory tower echo chamber. I want to shout it from the rooftops!

This also sets a great precedent:

"but can use the rule to punish students only for threatening someone’s health or safety, and not merely for offensive statements or conduct. ..."

You have to realize just how important those 7 words are. They might be the most important words for campus freedom uttered over the last 20 years.

As a history professor, I know just how hostile higher education is to free speech (thankfully not so much at the schools where I teach). The climate is stifling. There was an article in the Chronicle of Higher Education that asked if the academy leans left...(I shit you not). Their own research concluded: Leans left, but not too much.

Oh good /sarc.

Don't pat yourself on the back just yet there.

There are plenty of moderate professors. It's just that the radicals set the tone. They rule the roost and the worst of them are so entrenched and comfortable that they feel they can do whatever they want without consequence. Look at Ward Churchill's career. Now that he has been let go (finally), look at the response to his firing.

But, take heart.

They are losing.

Every semester I meet more and more conservative and L(l)ibertarian students, or just students who aren't radical leftists. In fact, I meet very few in my classes who I would even describe as radical (only a select few). But, I am not teaching at the big universities, so take that for what it is worth.

The tenured radicals are retiring soon. The incoming students are not robots and there ARE many who are good kids with genuinely held conservative beliefs willing to stand up for themselves.

Also, keep in mind, the more pressure put on the academy to change, the more they will resist, so while it may feel like we are getting nowhere at times...progress IS being made, however small. Change is in the air. Delaware's Orwellian program is just the most recent example of how more people are figuring things out about what the academy really stands for and they aren't happy about it.

I am continuously encouraged by what I see in my students. We often don't give them near the credit they deserve. It is important that conservatives don't abandon higher education. It is a key ingredient in a free society. So while the left has dominated since the 60s, they won't be there forever.

Also consider that when the Iraq War generation who is serving comes home and goes to college...they will bring their honor, sense of self sacrifice, and professionalism with them. They have proven their honor abroad, I can't wait for them to bring those values back home and put them to use.

I just hope they don't lose their spirit in the face of ugly leftist efforts to denigrate them or that they become so cynical they lose their desire to become the domestic leaders of the next generation...but I think they are made of sterner stuff than that.

This topic is great news and it made my day.

re: #67 Ringo the Gringo

zombie,

school-funded public Edward Said mural

This mural?...Yeeech!

The student Republicans should petition for a Mark Steyn mural.

Yeah, that's probably it. I haven't gotten up the nerve to go over there and look at it.

A bit of it is visible in this news article about the unveiling. But it doesn't look like the same one. Or maybe that's not it in the news photo at all.

Students at San Francisco State University showed their disgust with terrorist Hamas and Hizballah flags by stepping on them, and were then threatened with disciplinary action because the flags had the Arabic word “Allah” on them. The school said they were “creating a hostile environment.”

So it's o.k. to burn or step on an American flag, because it only represents a country and its ideals (including free speech). If the U.S. had a flag that said "God" on it, then SFSU wouldn't like anyone stepping on it.

Right?

I don't suppose this means it's OK to stomp hamas and hizbollah members and supporters?

/drive-through

Dearbornistan: We're #6!

More int'l students study in U.S.
Number of 'U' students studying abroad also rises

The number of international students studying in the United States increased for the first time since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks during the 2006-2007 academic year, according to a report released yesterday.

With 5,429 foreign students studying here, the University of Michigan was the sixth-most popular school for international students in the country.

Top 3: USC, Columbia, NYU

2 of the top 3 are in New York?

/nausea

... apparently no College Republicans self-detonated during the occasion.
Bad Play!
/sarc

re: #69 Radar

Great comment. Thanks for posting it!

re: #58 debutaunt

what about bin laudin and mo (shit be upon both of them) urinal cakes?

re: #64 Golem Akbar

My logical mind can't get around gays not paying attention to the threat from Islamofascism.

On Flight 93, a gay and an Evangelical were among those trying to storm the cockpit. They didn't stop to have a dialog about their differences; they worked together against an immediate threat. We need more such joint efforts by all those of goodwill to counteract Islamofacism.

Dream Police

/can't hep myself

re: #70 zombie

re: #67 Ringo the Gringo

zombie,

school-funded public Edward Said mural

This mural?...Yeeech!The student Republicans should petition for a Mark Steyn mural.

Yeah, that's probably it. I haven't gotten up the nerve to go over there and look at it.

A bit of it is visible in this news article about the unveiling. But it doesn't look like the same one. Or maybe that's not it in the news photo at all.

Yeah, that's the same one, except what you see in the link is the photo they used as a model. There's a multi-media link in the news article zombie linked that shows the finished product.

re: #69 Radar

As a history professor, I know just how hostile higher education is to free speech (thankfully not so much at the schools where I teach). The climate is stifling.

One of the Junior Inventors is on fire to become a history major, but is nervous about going to college, b/c of the liberal reputation of college profs (in general). Got any advice?

re: #75 zombie

Thanks! It's a subject I am pretty passionate about if you can tell. haha. I don't like to see my fellow travelers get too despaired. lol. It's easy to get cynical and write off all of higher ed, and believe me I can understand sometimes.

Talking to my colleagues about the New Deal is enough to make you want to pull your hair out...

Off to lunch. (or out to lunch?).

I would love to have hezbollocks and hamasistan flags to burn but it wouldn't make much of an uproar here in E. Washington state.

re: #66 zombie

I would think that would make claims of "actions of incivility" easier to make.

Chalk one up for a sane California judge! Since when is any flag given special treatment in this country? It is legal free speech to burn or stomp on the U.S. flag. It darn well ought to be legal to express public disdain with the symbol of a terrorist organization! Simply incorporating "allah" into their logo cannot be allowed to create a privileged status. Whoever filed this lawsuit should be much more concerned over the thousands of human lives snuffed out by the followers of that flag.

Most of those codes were adopted in the 1980s and '90s and prohibit what the schools described as hate speech - expressions that are abusive or demeaning to various racial, ethnic, sexual or religious groups. Opponents, who have often included the American Civil Liberties Union

Not this time, I reckon.

Just love "actions of incivility", do those include passing gas in a crowded elevator?

What a world where symbolically showing your disapproval of murderous terrorism is called "creating a hostile environment." Thank heavens they're allowed to be this "hostile."

re: #64 Golem Akbar

My logical mind can't get around gays not paying attention to the threat from Islamofascism.

IANAD, but that sounds like a textbook symptom of terminal BDS to me. Same goes for the hardcore feminists, atheists, pacifists, and the rest of the enablers who would be the first ones with their necks on the chopping blocks under Sharia.

second pic down. Fug them and their nihilistic symbolism.Think I'll buy a few, invite the neighbors over and have a bonfire.

[Link: www.hasanpix.com...]

re: #70 zombie

Here are the murals at SFSU.

Looks like one for Cesar Chavez, one for Malcolm X, one for East Asians(?)... maybe you can tell me what the last one is because I'm not sure.

And now the Edward Said mural.

And of course the persons who put the word allan on the flag of murderers wasn't insulting allan.

I virtually burned a Hamas flag and also virtually stomped on a Hezbollah flag in my mind. Will I be virtually reprimanded by SFSU Neanderthals?

/really dumb post

Chalk one up for the good guys!

After further review, I have come to the conclusion that a college education is overpriced, the kids get brainwashed, and under educated. Unless you can afford a private school and are independently wealthy. It seems as if state schools have all been taken over by 60s' radicals.

zombie,

Here are all the murals: Cesar Chavez, Malcolm X, Filipino Community,Pacific Islander Community and now the Palestinian Community.

re: #91 Ringo the Gringo

"The great Palestinian scholar Edward Said."

That's a double negative, isn't it? Or maybe it's an oxymoron.

Wait, muslims are responsible for all great scientific and academic achievements. All Palestinians are great scholars. I stand corrected.

re: #67 Ringo the Gringo

zombie,

school-funded public Edward Said mural

This mural?...Yeeech!

The student Republicans should petition for a Mark Steyn mural.

Is that the Empire State building in the background? A future target?

#76 yochanan 11/13/07 9:47:51 am reply quote report 1

re: #58 debutaunt

what about bin laudin and mo (shit be upon both of them) urinal cakes?

Excellent. We also need to target the idiotic footbaths of smelly feet be upon them. re: #76 yochanan

re: #81 I_Invented_Al_Gore

re: #69 Radar

As a history professor, I know just how hostile higher education is to free speech (thankfully not so much at the schools where I teach). The climate is stifling.

One of the Junior Inventors is on fire to become a history major, but is nervous about going to college, b/c of the liberal reputation of college profs (in general). Got any advice?

Best advice I can give is to not worry about it. The worst of them are all bark and almost no bite. I would suggest that he keep his ears and eyes open and generally keep a low profile the first year or so. By then, you can become a part of the department and meet fellow conservatives within the department and on campus for allies. Only the most outright batshit radicals will ever give you trouble. I never personally had any professor who held being conservative against me, but I went to small schools. Unless they will be going to Berkeley, they shouldn't have much to worry about. Other than the crazies, most of them really are just people. It can even be a good thing to be around some of the left, as it challenges you to be better at debate and critical thinking.

Of course, there might be one or two that are impossible and that could cause problems, but by and large, there is nothing to fear. College can be a great experience.

The most important lesson I learned was that I didn't know anything... haha.

Not that the leftist reputation of college isn't deserved, but it is very localized and centralized in certain places larger schools, social science departments.

History departments are a mixed bag. I know many history profs who run the gamut to FDR worshipers and Marxists all the way to staunch Libertarians and conservatives. Sociology or Women's Studies Departments? Not so much.

Just to share an anecdote...

When I was getting my Masters in History, the program requires an oral exam. I was allowed to choose the 3 panelists (within your area of expertize usually). When they gave me the battery of questions, only the last one was a political litmus test:

They said "Who was your favorite president, and you can't say FDR"

(I guess FDR is so great as to be too easy? *shrug).

I said Reagan.

They howled in a chorus: "Reagan!?"

I defended it pretty well and they smiled and said ok.

They passed me on the test, so I guess it was no big deal. Hell, they even laughed about it.

re: #81 I_Invented_Al_Gore

re: #69 Radar

As a history professor, I know just how hostile higher education is to free speech (thankfully not so much at the schools where I teach). The climate is stifling.

One of the Junior Inventors is on fire to become a history major, but is nervous about going to college, b/c of the liberal reputation of college profs (in general). Got any advice?

There a number of conservative , high value colleges. You might start with Claremont McKenna

re: #27 g3n3r1c

The Clinton people have gotten to the CNN execs

CNN's Wolf Blitzer has been warned not to focus Thursday's Dem debate on Hillary. 'This campaign is about issues, not on who we can bring down and destroy,' top Clinton insider explains. 'Blitzer should not go down to the levels of character attack and pull 'a Russert.'' Blitzer is set to moderate debate from Vegas, with questions also being posed by Suzanne Malveaux... Developing...

via drudge

Free Speech My Ass... Don't Ask Hitlery a Hard Question that Might Make her Make a Stand...

re: #98 Mr Spiffy

Is that the Empire State building in the background? A future target?

I see the GoldenGate Bridge as well.

I think flag stomping is counterproductive.

A terse statement followed by military action would produce better results.

re: #102 tfc3rid

re: #27 g3n3r1c

The Clinton people have gotten to the CNN execs

CNN's Wolf Blitzer has been warned not to focus Thursday's Dem debate on Hillary. 'This campaign is about issues, not on who we can bring down and destroy,' top Clinton insider explains. 'Blitzer should not go down to the levels of character attack and pull 'a Russert.'' Blitzer is set to moderate debate from Vegas, with questions also being posed by Suzanne Malveaux... Developing...

via drudge

Free Speech My Ass... Don't Ask Hitlery a Hard Question that Might Make her Make a Stand...

Is there any chance this could backfire and make Wolf get all pissy?

I'm all for free speech and all, but we have to remember that the thing that distinguishes conservatives from leftists is that we can use reason and sense to get our points across, whereas the left uses violence, hysterics, and hate to get theirs across.

I don't like conservatives stomping on flags -- as much as I despise those two Islamist groups, we want to show why our way is better.

Awww...shucks...too bad...

We wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings, would we?

re: #108 grumpy_old_soldier

Why yes I would, especially if it upsets spoiled moonbat kids and cair and msa and terrorists of all stripes!

I would rather step on a pile of dog poo than the hamas flag

re: #60 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks. I will check it out.

The problem seems to be the inclusion of the word Allah on the flags. My advice is to remove the word, and the problem goes away.
I have a large pair of shears, if that helps.

re: #95 pingjockey

Not at all. Most majors have not been taken over by radical leftists simply because those fields are merit based. The faculty may tend left, but they have enough to do just being professionals in demanding fields with real standards. Their students aren't writing essays on social regurgitation semiotics; they're mastering the intricacies of agronomy, engineering, medicine, chemistry, and so on.

Employers need those skills. It's honest work and well paid. The tuition at state schools is still quite a sum, but it's more nearly affordable than at top-flight private schools. If the kid has good SAT scores and decent study/work habits, he or she should pick a useful major, fitted to talent and interest, and earn the degree.

re: #110 Shug

What a choice.re: #112 Pope Insouciance IV

ROTFL. Cut it out !

re: #113 lostlakehiker

I just don't want my boys coming back as moonbats that I can't stand to be around.

So lemme get this straight...

Stepping on or burning a hamas flag is bad because 'allah' is written on it?

So...if we start putting 'allah' in microprint on the fibers making up the US flag (so the rest of us don't have to see the demonic name) will that get the satanic death cult members to stop burning Old Glory?

No...waitaminnut...I keep forgetting about all those Club Gitmo islamists peeing on each other's (un)holy korans...

/nevermind...

re: #22 debutaunt

The pendulum. Could it be swinging in the correct direction, finally?

Not with Reid and Pelosi still in office.

re: #107 Richard Romano

Agree 100

re: #118 buzzsawmonkey
Thanks. The 16 year old came home one day last year and pronounced "we are destroying the rain forest". I challenged him to show me one thing in the house that had come from the rain forest. Of course he couldn't. Luckily they haven't shown manbearpigs movie to them, yet.

re: #120 pingjockey

Luckily they haven't shown manbearpigs movie to them, yet.

He's super serial.

San Francisco State—home of M. Annette Jaimes, Ward Churchill's second "wife" and probable co-plagiarizer.

re: #121 Sharmuta

Regular or extra crunchy with marshmallow stars?

re: #122 jwpaine

San Francisco State—home of M. Annette Jaimes, Ward Churchill's second "wife" and probable co-plagiarizer.

Co-plagiarizing -- better known as "intellectual photocopying."

re: #124 buzzsawmonkey

Oh yes, the 16 and 14 year olds love South Park. The problem is the 7 year old staying up and seeing it.

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There, consider that a cyber stomping on the name Allah, oops, there I go again...

Free speech is cool, uhhuuhh huhhh

re: #115 pingjockey

re: #113 lostlakehiker

I just don't want my boys coming back as moonbats that I can't stand to be around.

Not to be rude, but give them some credit. If they were raised with good morals, ideas, values, and have self esteem, you really won't have anything to worry about.

Only a fool goes to college and becomes brainwashed by the crap the left peddles in some of the humanities departments. Either that or someone who was already corrupted.

re: #128 Radar

Have had some friends send their kids off to school and they had a very good upbringing and they came back totally wacked. Peer pressure can be a very powerful force. That being said I'm just worrying out loud.

76 yochanan 11/13/07 9:47:51 am reply quote report 1

re: #58 debutaunt

what about bin laudin and mo (shit be upon both of them) urinal cakes?

You bet! Dual purpose too! re: #76 yochanan

Well, zombie, I'd agree with you, but "intellectual photocopying" implies that something of an intellectual nature took place. If The Perfesser did ghost-write then-frau Jaimes's dissertation, it would be more along the lines of academic butt photocopying.

re: #110 Shug

I would rather step on a pile of dog poo than the hamas flag

There's a difference?

re: #99 debutaunt

#76 yochanan 11/13/07 9:47:51 am reply quote report 1

re: #58 debutaunt

what about bin laudin and mo (shit be upon both of them) urinal cakes?

Excellent. We also need to target the idiotic footbaths of smelly feet be upon them. re: #76 yochanan

How about stickers with Mo the Bombhat, (pork be upon him), applied to the Aggie Breath Mint just before depositing in said urinal?

re: #133 Squirrelguy

Uh oh, an Aggie joke.

Sorry, folks- you support terrorism- screw your symbol. I don't care who it shows or what it says. This is USA- not Saudi Arabia or Syria or Lebanon. I would spit on Hamas and Hezbollah- I have given the finger to ANSWER trash with their kaffiyehs and anti-israel signs-

To the person whose sister who said the Flag is the republican flag- I suggest she rethink where she lives. The US flag is everyone's flag -even -dare I say- Ron Paul's. I bless our flag and our country everyday for allowing all of my grandparents to come here and to raise their families as free people- something that would have been impossible for Jews in the countries from which they came. This is true for many, probably most,
immigrants then and now

Come on everyone - I want everyone to do a cyber stomp of the name Allah in solidarity...

ALLAH

Sweet...

re: #102 tfc3rid

re: #27 g3n3r1c

The Clinton people have gotten to the CNN execs

CNN's Wolf Blitzer has been warned not to focus Thursday's Dem debate on Hillary. 'This campaign is about issues, not on who we can bring down and destroy,' top Clinton insider explains. 'Blitzer should not go down to the levels of character attack and pull 'a Russert.'' Blitzer is set to moderate debate from Vegas, with questions also being posed by Suzanne Malveaux... Developing...

via drudge

Free Speech My Ass... Don't Ask Hitlery a Hard Question that Might Make her Make a Stand...

But wait, don't you have to have character for it to be attacked?

Anyone interested in having the real links between Islamic militancy and Nazism graphically spelled out?

It turns out that our very own 911 Commission chose to omit key elements that would have spelled out in greater detail the true nature of the enemy.

See here.

Charles, this makes for fascinating reading. It underpins much of what the "WOT' (and this blog) are all about - but kept hidden, so far.

I think it is important to have this material see the light of day.

Even the 9/11 Commission Report, the summation produced by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States in July 2004, falls short in this regard. Its chapter on "Bin Laden's worldview" makes no mention of his hatred of Jews. This silence is all the more surprising in that the commission quotes documents in which bin Laden unambiguously expresses his hatred of Jews. For example, in the "Letter to the American People" of November 2002, which the report repeatedly cites, bin Laden warns: "The Jews have taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense." Osama goes on: "Your law is the law of rich and wealthy people... Behind them stand the Jews who control your policies, media and economy." Yet the report's authors inexplicably fail to see the significance of these words and the ideology behind them. The report also ignores the history of Islamism. It accords the entire pre-1945 period just five lines. Yet it is precisely this period that fostered the personal contacts and ideological affinities between early Islamism and late Nazism--the linkage between Jew-hatred and jihad.

re: #112 Pope Insouciance IV

The problem seems to be the inclusion of the word Allah on the flags. My advice is to remove the word, and the problem goes away.
I have a large pair of shears, if that helps.

If the Enlightened Left can venerate the likes of Piss Christ and Dung Mary as "art," why not Shoe Allah?

re: #110 Shug

I would rather step on a pile of dog poo, than then the hamas flag

Fixed that for ya'.

re: #101 pat

re: #81 I_Invented_Al_Gore

re: #69 Radar

As a history professor, I know just how hostile higher education is to free speech (thankfully not so much at the schools where I teach). The climate is stifling.

One of the Junior Inventors is on fire to become a history major, but is nervous about going to college, b/c of the liberal reputation of college profs (in general). Got any advice?

There a number of conservative , high value colleges. You might start with Claremont McKenna

I wanted to ask Radar the same thing. I don't really want it to be "conservative", but I want them to read all sides and learn to evaluate. I've finally convinced my high school daughter that learning history fulfills several functions, including that politicians (from any side) will have a much harder time leading you around by the nose if you know history. Is Caremont McKenna in California? I know some kids who have gone off to Claremont... we hear good things about the academics.

re: #136 neverquit

Come on everyone - I want everyone to do a cyber stomp of the name Allah in solidarity...

ALLAH

Sweet...

Allah

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Finally, a flag desecration for the rest of us.

LOL! My thoughts exactly.

re: #138 Maine's Michael

Did you note in the piece you quoted where bin Laden said;
" and the Hour of Ressurection shall not come...?
This is from a hadith which states quite plainly that Jews will all have to be dead(?) before Muslims can arise on Judgement Day.

I've never seen this obvious piece of genocidal crap discussed here.

re: #141 Sunlight

re: #101 pat

re: #81 I_Invented_Al_Gore

re: #69 Radar

(snipage occurs) Is Caremont McKenna in California? I know some kids who have gone off to Claremont... we hear good things about the academics.

yes, it's in eastern LA county, near Cal Poly Pomona...

re: #128 Radar

I wish that were true, but it's not. Moonbattery can strike at the best of families, at children who were raised with fine values. Sigh.

re: #127 neverquit

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There, consider that a cyber stomping on the name Allah, oops, there I go again...

Free speech is cool, uhhuuhh huhhh

I wish some LGFer would post the winkies of Mohamed that came out after the Danish cartoon protests. They were so funny and could be so useful as well. I could try to reproduce them, but that would take me all day.

CC:>[### (Something like this--turban+expression+beard)

When I was a student the GUPS, (General Union of Palestinian Students) Socialists and other buncha Nazi schmucks had no problem stomping on Israel flags, and having a near riot at the pro-Israel rally, when we had the chutzpah to actually hang an Israeli flag on the student center.

They really equate the star of david with the swastika. You could tell them how offensive there little no-sign with the star of david was, and their apologists would say that the star of david, being on the Israeli flag, is not a symbol of the Jewish people, but of the nation of Israel. It's bull, but that's what they say.

re: #128 Radar

re: #115 pingjockey

re: #113 lostlakehiker

I just don't want my boys coming back as moonbats that I can't stand to be around.

Not to be rude, but give them some credit. If they were raised with good morals, ideas, values, and have self esteem, you really won't have anything to worry about.

Only a fool goes to college and becomes brainwashed by the crap the left peddles in some of the humanities departments. Either that or someone who was already corrupted.

Some of the people I went to college with were no dummies, they just didnt follow politics much in high school, not many do. Then, they were hit with the same leftist propagandizing, sermonizing BS for 4 years, and it did make some impact on them. (Note: not all from professors, and not all Profs at my alma mater were lefties either, but the majority were IMO)

They didnt come back brainwashed, but were they influenced by what they saw? damn right they were...

They really equate the star of david with the swastika.

There is no end to ironies.

See post 138.

re: #136 neverquit

Come on everyone - I want everyone to do a cyber stomp of the name Allah in solidarity...

ALLAH

Sweet...

ALLAH
ALLAH
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May he burn in hell on a slow spit...

Damn, that felt good!

re: #149 mad_scientist

That's what I'm worried about, that creeping, insidious, corrupting leftism with all the other isms that get drug along with it.

re: #46 ROPMA

Is it now OK to get an Allah ink stamp and use it to mark toilet seats, floor tiles ect...?

I suspect there would be a healthy market for an Allah or Muhammad doormat.

I'd buy one.

re: #152 pingjockey

re: #149 mad_scientist

That's what I'm worried about, that creeping, insidious, corrupting leftism with all the other isms that get drug along with it.

It is something to be concerned about, but they have to make their own choices in the matter. A few of the people I was referring to in my previous post came out of college leaning a good deal to the left, because that was all they were exposed to.

But when they got out in the real world, started paying bills, car payments, getting up at the crack of dawn for work while seeing others not working at all and taking tax dollars from them, looking at how much they pay in taxes and how little they got in return...after seeing all that, they started to see the light, so there is always hope!

133 Squirrelguy 11/13/07 11:09:34 am reply quote report 0

re: #99 debutaunt

#76 yochanan 11/13/07 9:47:51 am reply quote report 1

re: #58 debutaunt

what about bin laudin and mo (shit be upon both of them) urinal cakes?

Excellent. We also need to target the idiotic footbaths of smelly feet be upon them. re: #76 yochanan

How about stickers with Mo the Bombhat, (pork be upon him), applied to the Aggie Breath Mint just before depositing in said urinal?

Good - good. Also, for the ladies restrooms, some Mo the Bomber toilet seat covers... re: #133 Squirrelguy

re: #154 mad_scientist

That is true, the real world has a tendency to bite people on the ass and wake them up.

re: #153 Wendya

re: #46 ROPMA

Is it now OK to get an Allah ink stamp and use it to mark toilet seats, floor tiles ect...?

I suspect there would be a healthy market for an Allah or Muhammad doormat.

I'd buy one.

Me too...stepping and wiping of the crud from my shoes on the big mo or allah everytime I walk in the house would make me smile. Then I would think about the seething that would occur should someone get offended by such a thing...and it makes me smile even more.

re: #156 pingjockey

Unfortunately, you and a few others who pointed it out about otherwise smart kids going to college and becoming leftists does happen. I guess I am overly optimistic and like to think of that as the exception.

Hopefully that doesn't happen to your kids.

re: #110 Shug

I would rather step on a pile of dog poo than the hamas flag

Or a pile of dog poo on the Hamas flag.

re: #142 redc1c4

re: #136 neverquit

Come on everyone - I want everyone to do a cyber stomp of the name Allah in solidarity...

ALLAH

Sweet...

Allah

Or just do it like this:
SATAN
There's no difference.

re: #155 debutaunt

133 Squirrelguy 11/13/07 11:09:34 am reply quote report 0

re: #99 debutaunt

#76 yochanan 11/13/07 9:47:51 am reply quote report 1

re: #58 debutaunt

what about bin laudin and mo (shit be upon both of them) urinal cakes?

Excellent. We also need to target the idiotic footbaths of smelly feet be upon them. re: #76 yochanan

How about stickers with Mo the Bombhat, (pork be upon him), applied to the Aggie Breath Mint just before depositing in said urinal?

Good - good. Also, for the ladies restrooms, some Mo the Bomber toilet seat covers... re: #133 Squirrelguy

Or Mo the Bomber Tampax.

161 Cygnus 11/13/07 12:03:59 pm reply quote report 0

re: #155 debutaunt

133 Squirrelguy 11/13/07 11:09:34 am reply quote report 0

re: #99 debutaunt

#76 yochanan 11/13/07 9:47:51 am reply quote report 1

re: #58 debutaunt

what about bin laudin and mo (shit be upon both of them) urinal cakes?

Excellent. We also need to target the idiotic footbaths of smelly feet be upon them. re: #76 yochanan

How about stickers with Mo the Bombhat, (pork be upon him), applied to the Aggie Breath Mint just before depositing in said urinal?

Good - good. Also, for the ladies restrooms, some Mo the Bomber toilet seat covers... re: #133 Squirrelguy

Or Mo the Bomber Tampax.

This officially went too far.

re: #163 debutaunt

in womens washrooms put the mo sticker on the used tampon box

currently printing stickers with Israel in arabic and the word zionist in farsi

next one will be ISRAEL, G-D wills it in arabic. would make an interesting t-shirt for some one who is a black belt in kava marga

re: #162 buzzsawmonkey

re: #161 Cygnus

I cannot imagine any sane woman wanting to insert something which carries an image of Mohammed.

Not gonna happen.

Ever.

Muslim indoctrination as academic obligation;

Students visit Tuscaloosa mosque

The mosque on Paul W. Bryant Drive is only five blocks away from the early-weekend fervor of the Strip and close enough to the University [of Alabama] to still stand in the shadow of Bryant-Denny Stadium.

For many of the approximately 60 students who attended an open house on Thursday night, however, 1415 Bryant Drive seemed to be much farther away.

"I don't really hear much about Islam here," said Matt Belote, a freshman majoring in political science. "I thought it would be interesting to go."

Several students came to fulfill class obligations, and one professor brought her entire class to the open house.

Priscilla Davis, who teaches CD 304, a class about multicultural issues as they relate to communicative disorders, said she brought her class to give them insight into the faith. "I'm curious and excited," Davis said.

... there is no compulsion @ UAlabama.

Crimson White invites comments here.

Take care of your money, SFSU students. It has the word God on it.

In English, no less.

Anyone in San Francisco? Anyone willing to correspond with me re. SFSU?

If stepping on the flag is protected speech, how about Koranic toilet paper?

Is ripping a page from your privately-owned, personal 'ran, and dropping it in the bowl protected?

The day we return to the non-PC world, will be a wonderful day for many.

Imagine living in a world where we don't have to fear arrest and imprisonment for our thoughts and speech. We only have to be concerned about death threats and fatwas from the RoP, iSlam.

From the comments:

meatlad wrote:

The line is not an easy one to draw. How different really is stomping on a flag that represents a minority from hanging a noose on a tree? How about if they were stomping on Israeli flags? Or not an actual Israeli flag but just a poster with the star of David on it? When minorities aren't represented well, people call this kind of thing free speech that should be defended, when they're not it's "creating a hostile atmosphere".

must be an art student

Activists at a Jewish peace rally are confronted by a terrifying, threatening mob.
[Link: www.aish.com...]

That last post is the acct. of the anti-Zionist hatefest at San Francisco State univ. in '02.
"Posters are labeled "canned Palestinian children meat, slaughtered according to Jewish rites under American license." jpegs of that rancis poster can by found on Indymedia.
"I cannot fully express what it feels like to have to walk across campus daily, past maps of the Middle East that do not include Israel, past posters of cans of soup with labels on them of drops of blood and dead babies, labeled "canned Palestinian children meat, slaughtered according to Jewish rites under American license," past poster after poster calling out "Zionism=racism" and "Jews=Nazis."

With regards to the Magistrate's decision:

YYYESSS!

With regards Mad Mo's visage, men are always told we need better aim. What we need is something to aim at. My favorite is Mad Mo's (Dung be upon him) Self-Sticking Waterproof Long Lasting Urinal Targets.

Hey Zombie,

I think I have an idea for a new feature on your site. Maybe you should list upcoming events in the Bay Area that other Bay Area lizards can attend. It makes your work easier if more lizards fan out and take pictures for you. I'd love to go to SFSU to see a rally, see how bad it is for myself.

In a just universe, anyone who makes accusations of "invcivility" while supporting Hamas would spontaneously combust on the spot.

The goals of a university include promoting respectful and reasoned discourse, but the First Amendment permits disrespectful and totally emotional discourse.

~Judge Wayne Brazil

The school said they were “creating a hostile environment.”

What this means is that the administrators figure that the Islamists who are supporters of the terrorists won't like this. And what this means is that the administrators are cowards who live in dread fear of displeasing the Islamists who are supporters of the terrorists.

The school said they were "creating a hostile environment."

The students were only doing what they are permitted to do using their right to free speech. If a "hostile environment" is created as a result, it will have been the act of whosoever chose to begin demonstrations or pick fights with these students. We have got to let free speech rule without political correctness so this thing can play itself out and the REAL citizens of the United States can make it known how they feel about living in the newly created "hostile environment" in the USA by ISLAMIC jihadis (like Hamas and Hizbollah.) If the school wants to adopt an us vs. them mentality by saying it would create a hostile environment, then THE BOAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ROCKED, AND IT WAS BY THEM, NOT US!

SF is “ a hostile environment.” The city bans the Navy from port except one week per year.

It is good to find out that in the USA, the flags of terrorist groups are not accorded rights superior to those of the flag of the USA.

If the American flag can be burned, under the protection of the right of free speech, then so can the flags of the terrorist gangs. Terrorist flags can be burned. Or stomped on. Or ripped up. Or dipped into the toilet.

OT
Washington Protects the Terror Masters,
by Daniel Pipes
[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]

re #182

Washington Protects the Terror Masters

By Daniel Pipes

[Link: www.JewishWorldReview.com...] | The Bush administration's counterterrorism policies appear tough, but inside the courtroom, they evaporate, consistently favoring not American terror victims, but foreign terrorists.

Consider a civil lawsuit arising from a September 1997 suicide bombing in Jerusalem. Hamas claimed credit for five dead and 192 wounded, including several Americans. On the grounds that the Islamic Republic of Iran had financed Hamas, five injured Americans students sued it for damages.

Expert testimony established the regime's culpability during a four-day trial, leading Judge Ricardo M. Urbina, under the Flatow Amendment of the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, to fine the Iranian government and its Revolutionary Guard Corps US$251 million in compensatory and punitive damages.

The plaintiffs looked for Iranian government assets in the United States to seize, in accord with the little-known section, 201a of the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act of 2002, which states that "Notwithstanding any other provision of law ... in every case in which a person has obtained a judgment against a terrorist party on a claim based upon an act of terrorism ... the blocked assets of that terrorist party ... shall be subject to execution."

Finding Iranian assets, however, proved no easy task, as most of them had been withdrawn by the Iranian authorities after the embassy hostage crisis of 1979-81. Therefore, the victims' lead lawyer, David Strachman of Providence, R.I., devised some creative approaches, such as intercepting the imminent return of ancient Iranian clay tablets on loan to the University of Chicago for up to seventy years.

Strachman found just one significant cache of Iranian government money: approximately $150,000 at the Bank of New York, in an account belonging to Bank Melli, Iran's largest bank and a fully-owned subsidiary of the regime. However, when the plaintiffs sued for these funds, BoNY filed a federal lawsuit asking for a legal determination what to do with its Bank Melli assets.

The victims' task in this case may have appeared easy, given that the U.S. government (1) views Bank Melli as an "wholly-owned instrumentality" of the Iranian government and it (2) considers that government a "terrorist party."

But no, the U.S. Department of Justice "entered this case as amicus curiae in support of Bank Melli." It did so, explained a spokeswoman for the Treasury Department, "to vindicate a correct reading" of the U.S. regulation. Its amicus brief appears decisively to have influenced the trial judge, Denise Cote, who adopted the joint Bank Melli-Justice Department position in toto and ruled in March 2006 against the funds being awarded to the victims. The latter appealed to the Second Circuit Court, but it too sided with the Justice Department, dismissing the suit in April 2007.

Its funds then in the clear, Bank Melli immediately removed them all from BoNY and transferred them beyond U.S. jurisdiction.

re #182

The story does not end there. On October 25, the State Department announced that Bank Melli would henceforth be cut off from the U.S. financial system because it "provides banking services to entities involved in Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile programs" by facilitating "numerous purchases of sensitive materials." Further, it found that Bank Melli "was used to send at least $100 million" to Iran's terrorist fronts, including those which had trained the Hamas members who perpetrated the 1997 Jerusalem bombing.

This incompetent outrage — Washington first helping Bank Melli, then sanctioning it — fits a larger pattern of federal agencies advocating in court on behalf of terrorists.

* Justice tried to shield Tehran from victims' claims in the University of Chicago case.

* It opposed the attachment of a mere $10,000 of Iranian funds to one 1997 victim family; and, when the family won in district court, it appealed the verdict.

* It interceded in Ungar v. Hamas to prevent the orphaned victims' attachment of $5 million belonging to the Holy Land Foundation, a Texas organization prosecuted as a Hamas front.

* In Ungar v. PLO and PA, the State Department rescued the Palestine Liberation Organization when the Ungars tried to enforce their $116 million judgment against a PLO-owned office building in Manhattan.

Is there not something deeply flawed about the U.S. government consistently siding with terrorists and, according to Strachman, "never once supporting terrorism victims to collect their judgments in court"? One hopes it will not require a new terrorist catastrophe to fix these misguided policies.

re: #153 Wendya

re: #46 ROPMA

Is it now OK to get an Allah ink stamp and use it to mark toilet seats, floor tiles ect...?

I suspect there would be a healthy market for an Allah or Muhammad doormat.

I'd buy one.

YESSS!
With a message on it: Don't forget to wipe your feet!

OOOhhh...there's a car bomb !

Hey lets disarm it !

Oh wait ! It's got allah's name scribbled on it [ and they spelled it wrong ]

Oooops ...can touch it , let it go off ...it'll be the will of allah !

Hey to those muslims milling around , on the corner --- "you guys mind going to the hardware store , and fetching us some rope " ?

We dont have quite enough to hang ourselves yet .

Fact of Life :

Just because you vomitted once ...doesn't mean your through vomitting .

AAaaarrrgh

Aint it funny ?

Anytime anyone shows the least bit of evidence of possessing testicles [ or atleast A TESTICLE] ...there ALWAYS SOMEONE STANDING BY WITH A RAZOR .

I downloaded an electronic copy of the Koran. Then I deleted it.