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LGF Technical Update: Search Tips

Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 5:55:51 pm PST

Here are some answers to some frequently asked questions about our advanced search feature.

To search for comments by a particular user, make sure the button labeled “Comments” is selected, then use something like this:

"user:zombie"

You need the quotes — and you’ll need to be logged in to search comments.

That example searches for all comments by the username ‘zombie,’ within the time range specified by using the popup calendars.

Oh yes, the popup calendars! To specify the 'To' and 'From' dates, click the little red calendar icons in those fields.

To select a date in the popup calendars, you need to actually click on one of the days in the calendar; exiting with the ‘Close’ button will not change the date.

Searching comments is restricted to 180 days at a time, to avoid putting too much strain on the server. If your ‘From’ date is set to more than 180 days away from your ‘To’ date, it will be adjusted automatically to be 180 days before the ‘To’ date.

Searching front-page LGF posts is not restricted in any way.

Also, there is some support for boolean search operators and wildcard characters to further refine your search terms; see this page at MySQL.com for some examples. (Note: I haven’t implemented the relevance-ranking features yet.)

UPDATE at 11/14/07 10:48:45 am:

The search code gets a little cranky when I extend the maximum number of searchable days to 180, so I've cut it back down to 90 days maximum which seems to work better.

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1 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 5:57:44pm

Bookmarked. Thanks!

2 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:00:37pm

We should add this to the FAQ.

3 Dead Sea Squirrel  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:00:47pm

What about searching for a complete phrase rather than just one word?

4 Charles  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:01:26pm

re: #3 Dead Sea Squirrel

What about searching for a complete phrase rather than just one word?

To search for a complete phrase, put it in double quotes.

5 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:02:10pm

OT:
He was just playing along... With Al Qaeda

A man accused of plotting to bomb the Sears Tower in Chicago testified Tuesday he was "playing along" by pledging allegiance to al-Qaida and that his six co-defendants were not told in advance about the ceremony conducted by a man claiming connections to the terror group.

Narsael Batiste, in his fifth day on the witness stand, said he was not serious about pledging allegiance to al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden and repeated that his main goal in dealing with "Brother Mohammed" — in reality an FBI informant — was to get some $50,000 (€34,230) he had been promised.

"I was really after the money all along," Batiste testified. "I just played along with taking the oath."

Batiste and the other members of the so-called "Liberty City Seven" — including two Haitian nationals — are on trial for allegedly plotting to destroy the Chicago skyscraper and bomb FBI offices in Miami and other cities. The group was named after the run-down Miami neighborhood where they lived.

6 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:03:04pm
7 Buster Bunny  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:05:16pm

I remember the good ol' days at LGF .....

A steam powered telegraphy component with realtime punch card access and the ability to reply in calligraphy markup language ....

It was just the transmission by smoke signals that was difficult.

8 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:05:49pm

Like Diogenes I search for an honest man.

10 Buster Bunny  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:08:41pm

re: #9 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

British Airways flying empty planes between UK and USA, Canada because of trouble finding enough flight attendants.

The way air hostesses get treated .. i'm not surprised .. its become a substandard occupation now.

11 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:09:49pm
12 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:10:59pm

Very Severe Tropical Cyclone Sidr

A category 5!

A different image

Indian Met Department cyclone updates.

Not just India!

A Cyclone WATCH has been declared for coastal and island communities from Thursday Is to Cape Flattery.

At 10:00 am EST a Tropical Low with central pressure 997 hectopascals was centred near latitude 11.2 south and longitude 147.1 east which is 440 kilometres east northeast of Lockhart River.


Oh, Storm 2 K thread about Bhola cyclone that started Pakistani civil war, which eventually led to Pakistan-Indian war, which resulted in East Pakistan becoming Bangladesh.

13 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:12:00pm

This is really funny-

"24", the never before seen 1994 pilot episode, sponsored by Microsoft Windows 3.1...[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]

14 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:19:05pm
15 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:19:46pm

re: #13 Bob in Breckenridge

Ahh the good old days of Windows 3.1. How I miss it...

/VISTA user

16 Buster Bunny  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:20:47pm

Modern technology .. so wonderful ...

Now I can use my computer to get half the things done in twice the time ...

Now THATS progress.

17 Abu Bin Squid  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:20:49pm

re: #13 Bob in Breckenridge

Thanks for that! LOL!

18 Abu Bin Squid  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:22:06pm

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I was comment #17.
/don't talk about it

19 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:24:39pm

That Nortel phone on the President's desk wasn't around in '94

20 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:27:18pm
21 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:27:20pm
22 gop_patriot  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:28:07pm

re: #18 Abu Bin Squid

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I was comment #17.
/don't talk about it

ROFLOL

23 Dead Sea Squirrel  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:29:28pm

Lots of Reuters snoops the last two days. Is the A-J blog brawl news?

24 Killian Bundy  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:31:16pm

Hey, lets discuss IQ and race.

/I still can't believe that actually occurred here

25 Carridine  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:32:06pm

Participating in LGF often feels like attending a practical workshop in a post-graduate class in Research, Analysis and Logic...

...and I'm here to extract full benefit of the study!

26 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:35:06pm

re: #24 Killian Bundy

Hey, lets discuss IQ and race.

/I still can't believe that actually occurred here

Lets discuss technical aptitude and gender.

/ducks

27 Charles  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:35:13pm

re: #24 Killian Bundy

Hey, lets discuss IQ and race.

/I still can't believe that actually occurred here

Not surprised here, unfortunately. This issue has been a real eye-opener.

28 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:39:12pm

Holy crap...I miss a few hours and come back to see I missed a mole in the FBI and a troll with nuke blueprints.

Has this made the MSM yet or is LGF ahead of them again?

29 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:39:36pm

re: #25 Carridine

Research, Analysis and Logic...

Analysis is the breaking of the whole. Where lysis is the breaking part, and the other part is the the other part.

30 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:40:31pm

Charles,

I did not know about the 180 search window.

I read the My SQL page and just wanted to see responses I may have not had a chance to see because a lot of my posting is "drive by".

Hope the DB squirrels are OK.

31 stevieray  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:41:33pm

Semi OT: I have a tech question, and I need to tap into the Great Lizard Brain.

Last night, I plugged in the most recent version of Windows Media Player and now I cannot get the damn thing to display the way it used to.

I like to play streaming video inside a small skin, set off to the side, so I can continue to surf in the other tabs in my browser [firefox 2.0.0.8 or .9 (whichever is the latest version)].

Now, WMP opens up as a full screen version, in a separate tab, and I can't get it to change into a smaller skin version [always on top mode]. There is no "views" tab with the new WMP format [consequently, no "choose skins" option], the "right click" to open the classic menu doesn't open the classic menu anymore, and the "ctrl+M" trick also opens the same useless menu.

Anybody know any fixes for this? Or do I have to strip WMP from firefox and download an older version? I'd like to keep the new version if possible -- the video seems to play smoother [less stop/start herky jerkyness].

32 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:42:29pm

Let's discuss when I am legally allowed to clone Scarlett Johansson.

33 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:45:12pm

re: #32 blackpajamas

You got the 100M (euro) its going to take to get that done Mr. Saudi Prince?

/extreme sarc

34 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:45:16pm

re: #24 Killian Bundy

Hey, lets discuss IQ and race.

/I still can't believe that actually occurred here

OK, not all of us NASCAR fans are rednecks...Some of us have college degrees, and advanced ones at that...

35 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:45:43pm

Migrants fiasco doubles in a day as 10,000 illegal entrants could be in security jobs

The scale of the latest immigration shambles could be twice as bad as the Government has admitted - with almost 10,000 illegals cleared to work in security jobs.

Official figures forced out of the Government suggest that one in every four licences given to security workers from outside the EU could have gone to someone with no right to be in Britain.

Home Office officials were insisting on Monday that the figure was only 5,000.

Dragged to the Commons to explain herself, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith admitted that ministers became aware of the problem eight months ago.

They were warned in April that an illegal immigrant had even been allowed to guard the Prime Minister's car - but failed to alert MPs or the public.

Miss Smith also revealed that she had not informed the Prime Minister when she first learned that illegal immigrants were being employed in the security industry.

Shadow Home Secretary David Davis accused the Government of "blunder, panic and cover-up" and poured scorn on Gordon Brown's promise of a "different type of politics, a more open and honest dialogue".

But astonishingly, Miss Smith insisted there had been "no fiasco" and tried to lay the blame at the door of employers who took on illegal immigrants.

They are just doing the jobs most Brits won't do.

36 Carridine  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:45:47pm

re: #29 blackpajamas

Yeah, LMAO, we shared this in med school...

/but if you think that professor's quizzies are dificult, just wait, 'cuz his testies are hairy!

37 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:47:23pm

re: #34 Bob in Breckenridge

I have hardly seen a college degree and IQ as serviceable as someone willing to apply themselves to something constructive and beneficial.

38 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:48:29pm

re: #27 Charles

re: #24 Killian Bundy


Hey, lets discuss IQ and race.

/I still can't believe that actually occurred here


Not surprised here, unfortunately. This issue has been a real eye-opener.


Did I miss something last thread, or are folks still discussing the Rushton-Jensen study that used data from almost forty years ago?

39 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:48:47pm

re: #37 unclassifiable

Well said...

40 Charles  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:51:28pm

re: #38 Thanos

re: #27 Charles

re: #24 Killian Bundy

Hey, lets discuss IQ and race./I still can't believe that actually occurred here

Not surprised here, unfortunately. This issue has been a real eye-opener.

Did I miss something last thread, or are folks still discussing the Rushton-Jensen study that used data from almost forty years ago?

Yes, it's at the end of yesterday's Kilo-Thread.

41 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:51:36pm

re: #33 unclassifiable

re: #32 blackpajamas

You got the 100M (euro) its going to take to get that done Mr. Saudi Prince?

/extreme sarc

Certainly, human cloning would be quite expensive. However, if it is possible for people to store their genetic material for many years, one could store one's genetic material with the expectation of appreciation on that material.

One could then write "shares" or "options" (based on those shares), and create a genetic-material trading market. Who knows, perhaps on some quite (and possibly perverted) corner of EBay, people are already doing this.

It would be interesting to see how the spot prices for such shares change with time. How much is 5 doses of Paris Hilton going to trade when people see what she looks like at age 50?

42 zmdavid  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:54:12pm

re: #32 blackpajamas

Let's discuss when I am legally allowed to clone Scarlett Johansson.

That was the plot of a movie from a couple of years ago.

43 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:54:13pm

/sick warning!

How much is 5 doses of Paris Hilton going to trade when people see what she looks like at age 50?

How about this for an ethical problem?

Some people would buy them just to SHOOT them!

44 swamprat  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:56:07pm

If any of your mothers are still alive I recommend that you give them a kiss and tell them you love them.......or.........make sure that return the "favor" that they gave you one year, and buy them socks and underwear (not frilly!) for Cristmas!
missed opportunities!

45 pat  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 6:59:48pm

YouTube flags Tancredos open borders ad as inappropriate for anyone under 18. Jihadi beheadings, stonings of females, and Muslim roadside bombings rated G. Hmmmm
[Link: www.wnd.com...]

46 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:00:39pm

re: #40 Charles

re: #38 Thanos


re: #27 Charles
re: #24 Killian Bundy

Hey, lets discuss IQ and race./I still can't believe that actually occurred here

Not surprised here, unfortunately. This issue has been a real eye-opener.

Did I miss something last thread, or are folks still discussing the Rushton-Jensen study that used data from almost forty years ago?

Yes, it's at the end of yesterday's Kilo-Thread.


Ok yeah I remember now. He's referencing the 2005 Rushton Jensen study, a bit disputed, that used data not normed or questioned for other factoers, and forty years old. If you have to dig back forty years to get data that supports your thesis, are you stretching? Wouldn't you be better served by performing actually normed testing now?
The fact is that when you do testing of 3-8 year olds there's little deviation of norms (black children are .995 to to Asians 1.000, and statistically indistinquisable from white's scorrs.) Asians also have a tendency to intensely school children at earlier ages.

47 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:01:44pm

I blew out my keyboard, now the keys all stick. grrr

48 swamprat  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:01:49pm

re: #43 unclassifiable


re: #43 unclassifiable

/sick warning!


How much is 5 doses of Paris Hilton going to trade when people see what she looks like at age 50?

Paris Hilton strain #3 burned though the test tube it was in, through the desk it was sitting on, through the concrete slab comprising the second floor, and almost got into the water supply!
49 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:03:52pm

re: #42 zmdavid

Must contact Michael Bay...

Hold the presses!

Using the handy-dandy LGF search function, when I enter the search string "Scarlett Johansson", I get the thread from 2004, about the stars who donated time to create little anti-Bush videos!

"30-second videos are the work of artists including directors Rob Reiner, John Sayles and Benny Boom, musician Moby, comedians Margaret Cho and Al Franken, and actors Kevin Bacon, Matt Damon and Scarlett Johansson." [1]

She's... she's... a... a Moby!

I must now clone Ms. Johansson to administer a spanking.

50 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:03:56pm

re: #40 Charles

I'm starting to get worried about the silence from the antiJihad blogs. Hot Air put up a nice thread about it but Spencer's blanket condemnation but a bit weak for me. Nothing from Miss Malkin, Jihad Watch, Jawa Reort, etc.
Silence is consent and I'm disappointed by the lack of noise.

51 rw in san diego  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:04:53pm

I'm watching Voices of 9/11 on National Geographic channel. Chilling and well worth watching. Never forget.

52 pat  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:05:13pm

re: #35 NJDhockeyfan

Migrants fiasco doubles in a day as 10,000 illegal entrants could be in security jobs

The scale of the latest immigration shambles could be twice as bad as the Government has admitted - with almost 10,000 illegals cleared to work in security jobs.

Official figures forced out of the Government suggest that one in every four licences given to security workers from outside the EU could have gone to someone with no right to be in Britain.

Home Office officials were insisting on Monday that the figure was only 5,000.

Dragged to the Commons to explain herself, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith admitted that ministers became aware of the problem eight months ago.

They were warned in April that an illegal immigrant had even been allowed to guard the Prime Minister's car - but failed to alert MPs or the public.

Miss Smith also revealed that she had not informed the Prime Minister when she first learned that illegal immigrants were being employed in the security industry.

Shadow Home Secretary David Davis accused the Government of "blunder, panic and cover-up" and poured scorn on Gordon Brown's promise of a "different type of politics, a more open and honest dialogue".

But astonishingly, Miss Smith insisted there had been "no fiasco" and tried to lay the blame at the door of employers who took on illegal immigrants.

They are just doing the jobs most Brits won't do.

14 were just fired at an airport inAmaerica. All has HS clearances. Chertoff is as dumb as a stick and as incompetent as a human being can be.

53 gop_patriot  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:06:44pm

re: #40 Charles

I missed that. Wow.

54 gop_patriot  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:07:52pm

re: #49 blackpajamas

comedians Margaret Cho and Al Franken,

Eewww. Two of the most obnoxious humans on the planet. Bleah.

55 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:08:00pm

re: #36 Carridine

re: #29 blackpajamas

Yeah, LMAO, we shared this in med school...

/but if you think that professor's quizzies are dificult, just wait, 'cuz his testies are hairy!

Hairy WHAT?

56 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:09:17pm

Damn. Work is really interfering with my time on LGF.

57 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:09:19pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

re: #40 Charles

I'm starting to get worried about the silence from the antiJihad blogs. Hot Air put up a nice thread about it but Spencer's blanket condemnation but a bit weak for me. Nothing from Miss Malkin, Jihad Watch, Jawa Reort, etc.
Silence is consent and I'm disappointed by the lack of noise.

I don't look for anyone else to be taking sides, we presented the facts, the invective flew, time will tell. Nobody's going to publically disavow, they will just quietly distance themselves.

58 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:09:35pm

re: #46 Thanos

The fact is that when you do testing of 3-8 year olds there's little deviation of norms (black children are .995 to to Asians 1.000, and statistically indistinquisable from white's scorrs.) Asians also have a tendency to intensely school children at earlier ages.


I have no real problem if there are minor genetic differences in regards to IQ. However it becomes a seriously dangerous problem when they label average blacks as borderline retarded and that they're lower pay and social status is the result of their racial deficiencies. I really hope that none of the blogs printing that crap have children in public schools.

59 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:10:20pm

re: #40 Charles

Yes, it's at the end of yesterday's Kilo-Thread.

I never liked that guy from the get-go. Mostly for his blog-pimping.

60 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:12:09pm

re: #6 taxfreekiller

That's the Daisy video of 2008.

There is still a long way to go.

61 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:12:49pm

re: #57 Thanos

Nobody's going to publically disavow, they will just quietly distance themselves.


I don't think that's enough. I'm really starting to believe that American White Nationalists and neoNazis are going to learn from Vlaams Belang and adopt their rhetoric to the antiJIhad movement. They have to know in no uncertain terms that they are not welcome.

62 shanimal1918  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:12:54pm

OT rotflmao:

"We have always sought to represent a diversity of views in Newsweek, and we think Markos will be a great part of that tradition," said Newsweek Editor Jon Meacham. "He will give our readers in print and online a unique perspective.

Newsweak hired kos! He brings the unique perspective of a moron to the weakest moonbat magazine best used to line the kitty litter box.

63 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:13:48pm

re: #54 gop_patriot

One must careful in the choosing of one's Chos.

Here's my favorite Cho (Henry), talking about genetics (of all things!).

64 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:14:23pm

re: #62 shanimal1918

If that was a sailboat it would be going in counterclockwise circles.

65 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:15:02pm

Spitzer scuttles licenses for illegals plan

Cratering poll numbers and pressure from Team Pantsuit very large factors.

Still, another victory for the rightwing noise machine!

66 Killian Bundy  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:15:05pm

Minorities, Race, and Genomics

DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other.

/Human Genome Project

67 the_flying_pig  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:16:53pm

Aren't you helping CAIR, Islamofascists and political moonbats to search out Lizardoids' comments to be used against them, Charles?

Just asking...

68 gop_patriot  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:18:32pm

re: #63 blackpajamas

re: #54 gop_patriot

One must careful in the choosing of one's Chos.

Here's my favorite Cho (Henry), talking about genetics (of all things!).

HA! That's great! I saw him on Designing Women once, they were on a plane, going to or coming from Japan, I think. Suzanne assumed he didn't speak English, and was talking to him like he was stupid and/or deaf. Then he finally spoke up with that Southern accent. It was a great episode. :)

69 Highrise  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:20:49pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

re: #57 Thanos


Nobody's going to publically disavow, they will just quietly distance themselves.

I don't think that's enough. I'm really starting to believe that American White Nationalists and neoNazis are going to learn from Vlaams Belang and adopt their rhetoric to the antiJIhad movement. They have to know in no uncertain terms that they are not welcome.

I tend to agree with you on this, KT. I like to peruse malkin and jihadwatch and I look to them to tell us what the MSM won't and what is going on in the world so we can stop things. Seeing not much said on the subject does make me wonder.

70 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:21:20pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

re: #57 Thanos


Nobody's going to publically disavow, they will just quietly distance themselves.

I don't think that's enough. I'm really starting to believe that American White Nationalists and neoNazis are going to learn from Vlaams Belang and adopt their rhetoric to the antiJIhad movement. They have to know in no uncertain terms that they are not welcome.


They already have, you can recognize them pretty quickly. They are mostly Paulists atm btw, so we don't have as many as we used to. That's another thing that was done to weed-out the wack-jobs. We don't need the conservative version of code-pink riding our coat-tails, anymore than William F. Buckley needed the Birchers detracting from his message.

71 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:25:32pm

You know what always cheers me up? Supernatural Graffiti.....
Virgin Mary seen in a sycamore tree that was burned by wildfires

72 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:26:05pm

WOW

Do or die

Spc. Channing Moss should be dead by all accounts. And those who saved his life did so knowing they might have died with him.

Watch the video

March 16, 2006. Southeastern Afghanistan. A fierce ambush and bloody firefight. It was over in a flash and Moss was left on the verge of death.

He was impaled through the abdomen with a rocket-propelled grenade, and an aluminum rod with one tail fin protruded from the left side of his torso.

His fellow soldiers worried: Could he blow up and take them with him? For all anyone knew, the answer was yes.

Still, over the course of the next couple of hours, his buddies, a helicopter crew and a medical team would risk their own lives to save his.

“Moss is an African-American and he’s gone to white. He’s in total shock from the loss of blood. But at the time, I really didn’t think about it. I knew [the RPG] was there but I thought, if we didn’t do it, if we didn’t get him out of there, he was going to die,” said flight medic Sgt. John Collier, 29, then a specialist.

“It was an extremely unusual set of events. He should have died three times that day,” said Maj. John Oh, 759th Forward Surgical Team general surgeon.

The 36-year-old’s surgical skill and command of his own nerves would be put to the ultimate test as, wearing helmet and body armor, he would operate to extract the ordnance from Moss’s booby-trapped body. One wrong move risked the lives of the patient, his own and those of the other members of the medical team.

He said the payoff was worth the gamble.

“For a soldier to be struck by an RPG and be flown and have surgery and survive … it’s unheard of,” said Oh. “It was a pretty remarkable experience.”

Read the rest.

73 RTLM  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:26:55pm

AP Reviews "Redacted"

Certainly this is a story that people need to know about, if they didn't know it already.

Worthless traitors all

74 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:26:59pm
75 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:27:26pm

re: #70 Thanos
They do seem to mostly be Paulists.

Babba Zee sent me to the link for the stormfront website and they have a Ron Paul Ad there.

76 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:28:48pm

This is a link for any anti-american europeans who happen to be checking the LGF threads. This is part of why our heterogeneous society here in the US is successful:

"The study, to be released today, is a careful, detailed piece of research by professional economists that avoids political judgments. But what it does do is show beyond doubt that the U.S. remains a dynamic society marked by rapid and mostly upward income mobility. Much as they always have, Americans on the bottom rungs of the economic ladder continue to climb into the middle and sometimes upper classes in remarkably short periods of time."


[Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

A present-day revival of sumptuary laws will be insufficient to solve your
problem of unassimilated immigrants.
[Link: podiatry.curtin.edu.au...]

77 Syrah  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:29:18pm

OT: Hugo and Dec 2nd.


Venezuelans may give their president the power to restrict oil production -- and cause a global recession.
By Michael Rowan and Douglas Schoen
November 13, 2007
On Dec. 2, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez can tip the world into a recession.

On that day, if Venezuelan citizens pass the dozens of constitutional amendments on the ballot, Chavez will essentially be granted dictatorial powers -- an elected strongman reminiscent of Spain's Franco, Italy's Mussolini and Orwell's Big Brother. The day could easily deteriorate into one of violence, martial law and suspension of oil production, the latter calculated to inflict maximum damage on the U.S. economy.

With the price of oil hovering near $100 a barrel and markets skittish because of the sub-prime housing crisis (not to mention the stability of U.S. banks, the U.S. trade deficit, the weak dollar and deteriorating domestic consumer confidence), such a move on Chavez's part would go a long way in triggering a recession. An oil crisis during the Christmas season -- with its 40% share of annual retail sales -- would be especially detrimental in the U.S.

Rising oil prices have caused global recessions in the past. The Saudis and other oil-producing countries have tried to increase output to offset rising costs. But working against stability and for high oil prices are Chavez and Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who are in a strategic alliance to push up the price of oil.

Oil economists calculate that on a supply-and-demand basis alone, the price of oil would be about $50; the remaining $45 in the current price is a political premium caused by uncertainty in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Iran's suspected nuclear plans, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and social unrest in Pakistan, Nigeria and Venezuela. But where the world sees a threat, Ahmadinejad and Chavez see opportunity: Civil discord lines their pockets.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-schoen13 nov13,0,6554818.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail

78 gop_patriot  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:31:48pm

re: #77 Syrah

On that day, if Venezuelan citizens pass the dozens of constitutional amendments on the ballot,

I have a feeling that no matter what the people of Venezuela actually vote, these amendments will "pass" anyway.

/Chavez, why don't you shut up?

79 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:32:17pm
80 Syrah  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:32:42pm

re: #78 gop_patriot

re: #77 Syrah

On that day, if Venezuelan citizens pass the dozens of constitutional amendments on the ballot,

I have a feeling that no matter what the people of Venezuela actually vote, these amendments will "pass" anyway.

/Chavez, why don't you shut up?

And Jimmy Carter will certify it.

81 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:33:22pm

re: #78 gop_patriot

re: #77 Syrah


On that day, if Venezuelan citizens pass the dozens of constitutional amendments on the ballot,

I have a feeling that no matter what the people of Venezuela actually vote, these amendments will "pass" anyway.

/Chavez, why don't you shut up?


Is Jimmy Crater (sic) going to certify the elections? The Marxist or Islamist disctator always wins when Jimmy monitors the elections.

82 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:35:30pm
83 pat  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:35:52pm

re: #77 Syrah

LOL, yeah that make Venezuela almost as fun as a Muslim hellhole. Chavez really does not understand economics. I mean he REALLY is stupid. Nothing would be better for the rest of the world. Chavez and his minions will die in a hail of gunfire within months if he tries that.

84 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:37:27pm

re: #79 taxfreekiller

Wow, saw that thing of post #72 back in I-corps (there is a photo) , seems it was a VC or a NVA it was just under the skin right chest , they took him to the mash at Marble Mountain Marine Air Facility and removed it, there are photos I think in the III Marine I-Corps thingey from the time. WOW.

Fickle finger of Fate does the strange.


What's great is seeing the guy walking around almost normally. That vid brought tears to my eyes the first time I saw it.

85 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:37:53pm
86 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:38:16pm

OT:
The real army has moved into SWAT, FWIW.

Peshawar, Nov 13 : The Pakistan Army has been deployed in the Swat Valley to crush a lingering insurgency.

"Yes, the army has taken over command in Swat from Monday and will lead security forces to eliminate militancy," Military Spokesman, Major-General Waheed Arshad, said.

Asked if paramilitary forces had failed to bring the situation under control, he said the forces had taken action, but the situation had not improved.

Major-General Arshad said the army was deployed at the request of the NWFP Government.

Security forces have arrested a top militant accused of harbouring al Qaeda insurgents, beheading troops and supplying arms to Maulana Fazlullah, officials said.

"He is under interrogation. The man identified himself as Parwant and says he is local," Major-General Arshad said, adding the man's real name was not known.

Locals said the clashes have erupted in the Valley after two helicopters came under fire in Matta. They confirmed that militants had captured anti-aircraft guns from the security forces.

They said the troops and law-enforcement personnel had not made ground advance on areas held by militants.

Three helicopters carried out intense shelling on suspected militants' positions in Pir Kali, Sambet Chowk and Sairi.

Sources said that one militant was killed and five were injured in the attack. A civilian was killed when a mortar shell reportedly fired from a FC camp in Kabal hit his shop at Koza Bandae.

Fazlullah's spokesman, Maulana Sirajuddin, said that three Taliban had suffered minor injuries.

Militants say they will not surrender or end their movement without achieving their objectives.

"We will lay down arms when the government enforces Sharia in Swat; otherwise we're ready to die," Maulana Mohammad Alam, the commander of the militants in Khwazakhela, said.

On October 24, the NWFP government had dispatched hundreds of paramilitary forces and police to establish the state's writ in parts of the Swat valley under control of Fazlullah.

Officials believe that Fazlullah, who has set up his own government and courts, has some 4, 000 armed supporters in Swat, the Dawn reported.

At present, six of the eight sub-districts of Swat are under the control of militants. Educational institutions in the area are closed and law-enforcement personnel have abandoned government installations.

87 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:39:11pm
88 Syrah  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:40:40pm

re: #83 pat

Hugo will likely just be another face on a t-shirt in time. Another dead revolutionary making money for capitalist street vendors.

89 Dead Sea Squirrel  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:40:53pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

I don't think they can use the same strategies in America. There is apparently a sizable portion of the Euro population that is sympathetic to a "soft" nationalistic racism, as epitomized in this short-lived comment on the Miniter post:

We're not racist we're organized. Each thing in its place. Each one in his country. Each race in its own continent. And thus we'll live happily.


Quintessentially European, isn't it? How much support for that sentiment exists in America? The skinhead contingent in America is tiny and cannot hope to enhance their clout by appeal to such sentiments, which will take you nowhere on this side of the Atlantic.

90 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:40:55pm

Yet another antiwar movie in the making...

[Link: story.malaysiasun.com...]

Bruce Willis won't be seen by me anymore, this one by Oliver Stone, to be financed by Tom Cruise. Time to stop feeding both money.

91 dentate  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:41:20pm
92 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:41:47pm

re: #86 Thanos

Locals said the clashes have erupted in the Valley after two helicopters came under fire in Matta. They confirmed that militants had captured anti-aircraft guns from the security forces.

Curious. Why would anti-aircraft guns be deployed against al Qaeda?

93 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:42:44pm
94 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:43:10pm
95 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:43:47pm

re: #81 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

Believe me they are certified already.

96 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:45:00pm

re: #72 NJDhockeyfan

Wow. Amazing story.

97 DocDublU  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:45:23pm

re: #73 RTLM

Redacted plays tomorrow night on HDMovieNet. I have DirecTV, so i'll get it here in Az around 6 pm. I'm going to watch and report back and not prejudge it tonite. However, I am predisposed to be very critical of a movie that depicts our soldiers as rapists and murderers in a propagandized attempt at an anti-war message. That being said, here is the wedsite address of Mark Cuban, the billiionaire owner of the Dallas Mavericks and the Exec Producer of Redacted. He has his own blog and has already begun a war of words with Bill O'Reilly over this moive.

[Link: www.blogmaverick.com...]

98 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:45:40pm

re: #92 Noam Sayin'

re: #86 Thanos


Locals said the clashes have erupted in the Valley after two helicopters came under fire in Matta. They confirmed that militants had captured anti-aircraft guns from the security forces.

Curious. Why would anti-aircraft guns be deployed against al Qaeda?

AA guns are useful for other things as well, in North Africa they were one of the few armaments effective against Rommel's tanks for instance.
Usually in places like Swat there are three to four levels of paths that run through the mountains above the vallies, and there are summer "high houses" made of stone in high position. Effectively bunkers near the hill and mountain tops, AA guns work well against them.

99 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:46:05pm

re: #87 song_and_dance_man

I thought that was Elvis in a burka.

Elvis has left the burka.

100 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:47:49pm

The AA referred to most likely however was missiles, and in Pakistan and Afghanistan they are all "multipurposed".

101 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:48:10pm

re: #92 Noam Sayin'

Noam?

102 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:48:31pm
103 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:49:14pm

re: #98 Thanos

Makes sense. Wasn't thinking, I guess.

104 dentate  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:49:20pm

re: #94 savage_nation

re: #91 dentate

You gotta love this: granddaughter of Holocaust victims joins task force to prevent West Bank "genocide"

Why the hell isn't she at home making a brisket?

There was something seriously wrong with parents that converted to avoid persecution, whose own parents were then all killed in the Holocaust, and who never bothered to pass along that little tidbit of family history, while at the same time considering themselves international diplomats. Weirdness, generation after generation--same as in Kerry's family. At least he is not out there picketing for the Palestinians as Albright seems to be.

And the most repugnant part of it is that these lowlifes use the phrase "never again" back at the Israelis. The blood boils...

105 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:49:36pm

re: #93 taxfreekiller

Hollieweird is an infection,
do not feed an infection,
starve it out.

I'm down with that.

106 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:49:52pm

re: #101 DesertSage

re: #92 Noam Sayin'

Noam?

Hi, Sage.

107 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:51:43pm

re: #106 Noam Sayin'

How ya doin' buddy?

108 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:52:03pm

re: #102 savage_nation

Savage?

109 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:52:13pm

re: #107 DesertSage

Each day, a little better.

110 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:52:36pm

Tom Cruise belives in space aliens exiled by an evil Lord Xenu, flown to Earth in spaceships that bear an uncanny resemblance to the 1950s passenger jet, the Douglas DC-8, and cause all of mankind's mental health issues.

All you really need to know about him.

111 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:52:51pm
112 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:52:57pm

re: #89 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #61 Killgore Trout

I don't think they can use the same strategies in America. There is apparently a sizable portion of the Euro population that is sympathetic to a "soft" nationalistic racism, as epitomized in this short-lived comment on the Miniter post:


We're not racist we're organized. Each thing in its place. Each one in his country. Each race in its own continent. And thus we'll live happily.

Quintessentially European, isn't it? How much support for that sentiment exists in America? The skinhead contingent in America is tiny and cannot hope to enhance their clout by appeal to such sentiments, which will take you nowhere on this side of the Atlantic.

I diagnose severe issues with toilet training.

113 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:53:42pm

re: #72 NJDhockeyfan

Thank you NJDhockeyfan.

114 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:53:59pm

re: #97 DocDublU

Some soldiers from Ft. Campbell did do what the movie portrays.

115 christheprofessor  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:54:37pm
116 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:54:53pm
117 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:55:02pm

re: #112 MandyManners

"We're not racist we're organized. Each thing in its place. Each one in his country. Each race in its own continent. And thus we'll live happily."

The TV Dinner Theory of Human Relations.

118 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:55:07pm

Here we go again...

Group Claims Violation Of Civil Rights

AMARILLO -- They say their civil rights have been violated. Now a group of Muslim Somalians are seeking legal action. Last week they quit their jobs at Swift because they say they weren't allowed to pray at work. As President of The Somalian Community Association, Hassan Shire is taking on a giant. Last Tuesday, about seventy Muslim Somalians walked out at the end of their shift at Swift, a Meat Packing Plant in Cactus. As Muslims, Shire claims management won't allow the group to pray at work. "So the people they decided, if they cannot accept our religion to pray over there, we cannot go back over there," says Shire of the Somalian Community Association. Shire is representing them and the groups religious rights. "It's everything for me," says Shire about his religion. Now the group is calling on the NAACP for advice. "It is always our goal to try and resolve any type of allegations or complaint at the lowest level possible," says Floyd Anthony the President of the local chapter of the NAACP. Anthony says a lack of understanding on both sides is to blame. "They've been told that in America they can have freedom of religious expression. In America they could worship the way that they want, they could worship their religion and then with this utopia idea of what America means to each of them they take this into the new community that they come into and now into their jobs," says Anthony. But Shire says they're not asking for too much. Muslims are required to pray five times a day. "They asking for two times of prayer. One is four to four-thirty p.m. and the other is at sunset," says Shire. But Shire says management said no. Now they're taking the next step in living their American Dream, they're getting an attorney. About six hundred Muslims of African Descent live in Amarillo. We tried several different times to try and get ahold of Swift but they wouldn't return any of our calls. Tonight, the NAACP voted to get involved in the issue. They decided to support the employees.

119 dentate  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:55:41pm

re: #117 jaunte

re: #112 MandyManners

"We're not racist we're organized. Each thing in its place. Each one in his country. Each race in its own continent. And thus we'll live happily."

The TV Dinner Theory of Human Relations.

But my peas always overflowed into the apple cobbler...

120 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:56:25pm

re: #113 unclassifiable

re: #72 NJDhockeyfan

Thank you NJDhockeyfan.


Your welcome. That is one of the best things I have ever read on the internet. I wish Charles did war hero threads.

121 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:56:48pm
122 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:56:57pm

This Comedian says, you must rock.

(Actual rockin' starts @ 2:13, watch out for the flash pot @ 3:25).

123 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:57:16pm

re: #109 Noam Sayin'

That's good to hear.

124 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:57:43pm

re: #54 gop_patriot

What if they mate?

/really bad sarc

125 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:58:01pm

re: #119 dentate

you always wind up with humid beans....

126 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:58:10pm

Very Severe Tropical Cyclone Sidr, now probably a Category 5, possibly headed for Calcutta.

127 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:59:05pm

re: #120 NJDhockeyfan

I'd like to add my thanks, for posting that story. I had my son and wife watch it, too.

128 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:59:26pm
129 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 7:59:54pm

re: #115 christheprofessor

Not one for ventriloquist acts, but that's a good hook.

130 dentate  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:00:08pm

re: #126 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

Very Severe Tropical Cyclone Sidr, now probably a Category 5, possibly headed for Calcutta.

"Tropical Cyclone Sidr" sounds like an drink made from fermented apples.

131 Highrise  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:00:24pm

re: #118 NJDhockeyfan


The good ole naacp, the group that backed up michael vick!


In America they could worship the way that they want, they could worship their religion and then with this utopia idea of what America means to each of them they take this into the new community that they come into and now into their jobs," says Anthony. But Shire says they're not asking for too much. Muslims are required to pray five times a day. "They asking for two times of prayer. One is four to four-thirty p.m. and the other is at sunset," says Shire. But Shire says management said no.

Uhh..that is an hour out of the work day they are asking for. In some jobs, taking a 30 min chunk from many people would shut down a line.

132 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:00:31pm
133 Buster Bunny  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:00:41pm

re: #110 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

Tom Cruise has been pampered ever since year dot in the Industry. So, he suffers from what any guy who literally has a series of 'yes' men at his beck and call. If he's a three foot clown with magic powers .. the people around him will just nod and move on ... as long as he pays the bills ....

THIS is what leftism is all about .. a pampered .. well watered fantasy about what the world should be like .. about what it could be like .. if only we get our way totally ... if only things go OUR way .. things get better.

Its a well watered fantasy .. whether its socialist .. dictatiorial .. or manic. But its far from real.

134 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:00:53pm

re: #128 taxfreekiller

Ted can with a three double double martinis.

135 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:01:30pm
136 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:01:40pm

re: #117 jaunte

re: #112 MandyManners

"We're not racist we're organized. Each thing in its place. Each one in his country. Each race in its own continent. And thus we'll live happily."

The TV Dinner Theory of Human Relations.

Bet they never spooned black-eyed peas and the juices onto their cornbread.

137 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:01:51pm

re: #132 savage_nation

He actually looks like my 16yr. old son...

138 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:02:33pm
139 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:03:18pm

re: #133 Buster Bunny

Stalin, Mao, Castro, Chavez, Pol Pot, Kim Il Jung

Do these poseurs really think they are going to get a shot at running things in a socialist utopia?

140 christheprofessor  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:04:09pm

re: #129 Noam Sayin'

Yes, it is. Pretty funny, though that's a longer clip than I thought when I posted it (the one I was e-mailed was apparently abridged)....

141 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:04:33pm
142 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:04:42pm

re: #136 MandyManners

re: #117 jaunte

re: #112 MandyManners

"We're not racist we're organized. Each thing in its place. Each one in his country. Each race in its own continent. And thus we'll live happily."

The TV Dinner Theory of Human Relations.

Bet they never spooned black-eyed peas and the juices onto their cornbread.

A quaint colonial dish, wot?

143 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:04:56pm

re: #140 christheprofessor

Yo CTP!

144 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:06:18pm
145 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:06:37pm

re: #138 Thanos

Here's their site:

[Link: www.allahmademefunny.com...]

146 christheprofessor  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:06:42pm

re: #143 unclassifiable

Hey, Buddy! How's my favorite unique human lima bean?!

147 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:07:08pm

Hamas's singing policemen boost morale in Gaza

GAZA (Reuters) - Wearing blue camouflage fatigues and crooning about Islamic holy war, the five members of Hamas's Protectors of the Homeland police band are trying to boost morale in Gaza with an arsenal of anti-Israel numbers.

Standing bolt upright and staring straight ahead in their Hamas uniforms, the bearded men -- in their 20s and 30s -- are not quite Gaza's answer to international boy bands like Backstreet Boys or 'N Sync.

"Our duties are to boost the spirits with entertainment and encourage the forces," Hussam Abu Abdu told Reuters after a band rehearsal at the Hamas-run Gaza Strip's police headquarters.

Hamas's top police commander, Jamal al-Jarah, who is wanted by Israel, formed the band after the Islamist group seized control of Gaza in June following violent clashes with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's secular Fatah faction.

Anyone have a song list?

148 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:07:12pm

re: #142 jaunte

re: #136 MandyManners


re: #117 jaunte

re: #112 MandyManners

"We're not racist we're organized. Each thing in its place. Each one in his country. Each race in its own continent. And thus we'll live happily."

The TV Dinner Theory of Human Relations.


Bet they never spooned black-eyed peas and the juices onto their cornbread.

A quaint colonial dish, wot?

Of the Southern variety.

149 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:08:18pm

So far, as I'm listening, allahdidn'tmakethemfunnyenough.

150 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:08:43pm
151 pat  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:10:28pm

re: #118 NJDhockeyfan

Every fucking week. Send them back to Somali. What a bunch of ingrates.

152 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:10:29pm

re: #148 MandyManners

re: #142 jaunte

re: #136 MandyManners


A quaint colonial dish, wot?

Of the Southern variety.

There's a Greek cafeteria/diner here in Houston called Harry's that does great balck eyed peas and jalapeño cornbread as a side dish to their moussaka.

153 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:11:10pm

New CAIR Press-Style book released.... (Not really but I bet this is adopted by most major newspapers into their stylebooks across the country)

WASHINGTON, Nov. 13 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A prominent national Islamic civil rights and advocacy group today announced the launch of a major initiative to help enhance understanding of Islam and Muslims in the news media.
At a news conference in the nation's capital, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said the centerpiece of its "Beyond Stereotypes" campaign will be distribution of the newly-published "American Muslims: A Journalist's Guide to Understanding Islam and Muslims" to some 40,000 media professionals nationwide. SEE: [Link: www.cair.com...]
CAIR's new guide offers journalists the tools needed to gain a better understanding of Islam and to write accurate and balanced stories about Muslims. The guide also offers background information on issues related to Islam and Muslims, best practices for reporting on the American Muslim community and definitions of terminology often used in news stories or editorials.
In challenging common misconceptions about Islam and Muslims, the guide provides an Islamic perspective on hot-button issues such as Islam and democracy, freedom of religion, women's rights, and interfaith relations.

154 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:11:46pm

re: #152 jaunte

re: #148 MandyManners


re: #142 jaunte

re: #136 MandyManners

A quaint colonial dish, wot?

Of the Southern variety.

There's a Greek cafeteria/diner here in Houston called Harry's that does great balck eyed peas and jalapeño cornbread as a side dish to their moussaka.

Where is it?

155 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:11:54pm

re: #152 jaunte

The restaurants in Houston are highly underrated.

156 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:12:20pm

re: #154 OldLineTexan

Yeah?

157 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:14:19pm

re: #152 jaunte

re: #154 OldLineTexan

Lizards like the Houston area.

Warm and lots of cheap food.

158 Abu Bin Squid  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:15:15pm

re: #119 dentate

But my peas always overflowed into the apple cobbler...

Always, always remove everything but the salisbury steak and mashed potatoes from tv dinners.

159 pat  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:15:48pm

I love black eyed peas, rice, collard greens and pork (cooked mushy). Add rice

160 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:16:21pm

I appreciate the new 180 day range search functions Charles. This makes mining the archives for a particular post a lot easier.

161 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:17:10pm

re: #154 OldLineTexan

Had to look on a map; I get there by driving east on Fairview, which turns into Tuam near downtown. It's on the corner of Tuam and Bagby.

162 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:17:29pm

re: #152 jaunte

Jalapeno cornbread?

163 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:17:30pm

re: #146 christheprofessor

Working my ass off. Finally surfaced today.

164 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:18:18pm

re: #147 NJDhockeyfan

Hamas's singing policemen boost morale in Gaza



Anyone have a song list?

Boom Boom Boom
Tick Tick Boom
Boom! I Got Your Boyfriend
Boom, Like That
Welcome to the Boomtown
My Heart Goes Boom
B.O.O.M.
Big Boom Bang
Hic-Boom-Ohhh
Chick a Boom Boom Boom
Boom Di Boom Di
Boomerang
Theme from "Brian's Song"

165 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:18:28pm

re: #161 jaunte

Got to try that next time I'm downtown.

166 christheprofessor  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:18:39pm

re: #163 unclassifiable

Glad you were able to come up for air.... Been pretty busy myself...

167 Syrah  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:18:52pm

OT

Somali (RoP) Pirates


Ransom talks on for Japan ship
Web posted at: 11/13/2007 8:15:42
Source ::: Agencies

Nairobi %u2022 Somali pirates who hijacked a Japanese-owned chemical tanker last month are negotiating a ransom for its release, a maritime official said yesterday.

Discussions about the demand and how it might be paid were being held through go-betweens in Singapore and Malaysia, said Andrew Mwangura, head of the East African Seafarers' Assistance Programme.

Ransoms are usually determined by the value of the ship, the nationalities of the crew and what cargo it was transporting.

The Panama-registered Golden Nori was carrying benzene from Singapore to Israel when it was seized on October 28 some eight nautical miles off Somalia in one of the world's most dangerous shipping lanes.

Meanwhile, a crew member of the ship has escaped and was rescued after spending two days at sea, a maritime official said yesterday.
http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp? section=World_News&subsection=Rest+of+the+Worl d&month=November2007&file=World_News200711 1381542.xml

168 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:18:54pm

re: #162 MandyManners

re: #152 jaunte

Jalapeno cornbread?

Just enough in this recipe (Harry's) to balance the sweet with some heat.

169 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:19:24pm

re: #162 MandyManners

re: #152 jaunte

Jalapeno cornbread?

Sounds like it might not taste good, but yum...

And I'm a yankee.

170 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:19:50pm

re: #165 unclassifiable

It's good, usually about 8 selections, main dish and sides, for $10.

171 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:20:09pm

I have been doing drive by's but tonight I finally got some time.

Hope you are doing well.

172 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:20:39pm

re: #161 jaunte

re: #154 OldLineTexan

Had to look on a map; I get there by driving east on Fairview, which turns into Tuam near downtown. It's on the corner of Tuam and Bagby.

Too bad, that's a bit far for lunch. Next jury duty, maybe. Usually I treat myself to Treebeard's.

173 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:21:49pm

re: #162 MandyManners

re: #152 jaunte

Jalapeno cornbread?

Good, if done well. I like the recipes with the whole corn kernels scattered amongst the pepper slices and chunks.

174 Abu Bin Squid  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:21:59pm

I'm gettin' hungry over here! Jalapeno cornbread sounds wonderful. Gotta put that on the to do list for office Christmas holiday patries.

175 christheprofessor  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:22:06pm

re: #171 unclassifiable

I'm okay, hope all is well with you and yours...

On that, I'm out for the evening myself. You all have a wonderful evening!

176 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:22:45pm

re: #173 OldLineTexan

That recipe is better than Harry's, unfortunately...

177 Thanos  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:24:30pm

Time for me to check out, network cut tonight.

178 yochanan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:25:46pm

Jewish IQ is a small % higher then the ave in the general population and the reason has nothing to do with race or ethnicity but a lot to do with self selection the jewish religion values being literate and being able to read the bible and other jewish works such as the talmud and being able to do this in the traditional jewish comm one would be more likely to get married and have more children than say some one who was just a labor. Do this for a couple of thousand years and the self selection process will increase the IQ level in the general jewish population.

179 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:26:02pm

re: #167 Syrah

Everyone seems to have the same story on this, but here's another link...
[Link: www.pr-inside.com...]

180 LEGION  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:29:00pm

re: #13 Bob in Breckenridge

This is really funny-

"24", the never before seen 1994 pilot episode, sponsored by Microsoft Windows 3.1...[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]


I just watched about 2 dozen collegehumor videos- thanks for the intell on this funny site. Respite over- back to serious mulling of world problems on LGF.

181 stevieray  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:30:18pm

re: #153 Thanos

Sigh. Another propaganda offensive. More of the same old same old.

In challenging common misconceptions about Islam and Muslims, the guide provides an Islamic perspective on hot-button issues such as Islam and democracy, freedom of religion, women's rights, and interfaith relations.

Unfortunately, they will find many enthusiastic allies in academe and the media. They're always willing to use their powers in the cause of any anti-American, anti-freedom movement that comes down the pike... after all, evil is not bad, its just misunderstood!

/moral inversion, thy name is CAIR

182 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:30:51pm
183 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:31:31pm

re: #178 yochanan

but a lot to do with self selection

Agreed but it doesn't take a couple thousand years to show a trend, heck the results of smart parents-smart kids phenomena only takes one generation to demonstrate. Same for the opposite.

184 Born Again Republican  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:31:35pm

re: #177 Thanos

Wonderful! Thank you.

185 Buster Bunny  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:32:24pm

re: #178 yochanan

The end result of it being necessary to read .. sing and study ... as part of a steady jewish education means that over and above most of the population .. the skills to survive .. by being literate and educated .. means that jews have the habit of being able to survive in a lot of situations where being a dumb zealot .. fails.

Its those damn Nobel prizes .. i tells ya ... !

186 Syrah  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:34:02pm

re: #179 jaunte

re: #167 Syrah

Everyone seems to have the same story on this, but here's another link...
[Link: www.pr-inside.com...]

That is very good news indeed.

Glad to see that some effort is being made to make piracy unprofitable.

We need to return to the old ways of dealing with pirates. Hanging, drawing and quartering, setting fire to the cut up bits, jumping up and down on the ashes and then disposing of them in a latrine, etc. . .

187 ratherdashing  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:34:32pm

Citizenship Ceremony in Iraq

178 foreign born military members received their US citizenship in Iraq during a ceremony at LSA Anaconda. See the video at the link. Too Cool.

188 Buster Bunny  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:36:38pm

By the way .. just because a group has a genetic fallibility in an often quoted area ... (such as a Euro-centric IQ test) just means that the skilled areas and talents that they naturally posess .. may not be the ones being tested. I'm always surprised when I find that someone has an ability that I cant quite fathom ... and .. it remains a beautiful capability.

I'm not going to be race-specific .. but .. its always good to realise that our diversity makes us beyond intelligent, it makes us constructive.

189 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:37:16pm

re: #186 Syrah

We need to return to the old ways of dealing with pirates. Hanging, drawing and quartering, setting fire to the cut up bits, jumping up and down on the ashes and then disposing of them in a latrine, etc. . .

That always seemed to me. seriously, to be the legal answer to terrorism.
It's covered by the existing laws governing piracy.

190 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:37:32pm

re: #168 jaunte

re: #162 MandyManners


re: #152 jaunte

Jalapeno cornbread?


Just enough in this recipe (Harry's) to balance the sweet with some heat.

Sweet cornbread?

191 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:38:23pm

re: #169 Noam Sayin'

re: #162 MandyManners


re: #152 jaunte

Jalapeno cornbread?


Sounds like it might not taste good, but yum...

And I'm a yankee.

I just don't like my food to assault my tongue.

192 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:38:55pm

US has no option in a Pakistan nuclear “nightmare”

WASHINGTON - The US armed forces are virtually powerless to prevent Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal from falling into Islamist hands if the political crisis in Islamabad spins out of control, analysts warned.

Instead, they said, Washington can do little but help to resolve the crisis and preserve its strong ties with Pakistan’s pro-Western military elite, whether or not General Pervez Musharraf stays in power.

“There’s no good military option at all,” Daniel Markey, a former US government policy planner for South Asia, told AFP on Tuesday in Washington.

It would be an “incredibly ugly scenario,” he said, for US forces to try to find and secure the nuclear sites in the event of an Islamist takeover because they lack the intelligence needed to do so in such a large country.

“Having some certainty of finding them is just, I think, out of the realm of reality,” said Markey, a former State Department official who is now at the Council on Foreign Relations, a think tank.

193 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:39:04pm

re: #190 MandyManners

re: #168 jaunte

re: #162 MandyManners


re: #152 jaunteJalapeno cornbread?


Just enough in this recipe (Harry's) to balance the sweet with some heat.

Sweet cornbread?

Even in the south, we have our regional variations!

194 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:39:38pm

re: #173 OldLineTexan

re: #162 MandyManners


re: #152 jaunte

Jalapeno cornbread?


Good, if done well. I like the recipes with the whole corn kernels scattered amongst the pepper slices and chunks.

I don't know if I can wrap my head around anything in cornbread but corn meal, egg and milk.

195 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:41:03pm
196 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:41:19pm

re: #194 MandyManners

re: #173 OldLineTexan

re: #162 MandyManners


re: #152 jaunteJalapeno cornbread?


Good, if done well. I like the recipes with the whole corn kernels scattered amongst the pepper slices and chunks.

I don't know if I can wrap my head around anything in cornbread but corn meal, egg and milk.

In North Texas, they got up this crazy idea to put a hot dog in corn bread...

197 Syrah  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:41:28pm

re: #189 jaunte

re: #186 Syrah

We need to return to the old ways of dealing with pirates. Hanging, drawing and quartering, setting fire to the cut up bits, jumping up and down on the ashes and then disposing of them in a latrine, etc. . .

That always seemed to me. seriously, to be the legal answer to terrorism.
It's covered by the existing laws governing piracy.

I would go for that.

198 mikeysdca  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:41:42pm

Something new.

[Link: news.aaj.tv...]

199 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:42:03pm
200 mattm  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:42:13pm

re: #13 Bob in Breckenridge

That was freaking hilarious. And yes, AOHell still sucks.

201 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:42:15pm

re: #190 MandyManners

re: #168 jaunte


re: #162 MandyManners

re: #152 jaunte
Jalapeno cornbread?

Just enough in this recipe (Harry's) to balance the sweet with some heat.

Sweet cornbread?

Some cornbread is lightly sweet, yes. Depends on the cook and the rest of the meal.

202 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:42:26pm

re: #193 jaunte

I'll say!

203 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:43:07pm

re: #191 MandyManners

re: #169 Noam Sayin'


re: #162 MandyManners

re: #152 jaunte
Jalapeno cornbread?

Sounds like it might not taste good, but yum...
And I'm a yankee.

I just don't like my food to assault my tongue.

My chili does not assault the tongue, but it will sneak up on some other parts...

204 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:43:22pm

re: #196 jaunte

The Kid looooooooooooves corn dogs.

205 tblot  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:43:34pm

OT just seen John Wooden being interview today and at 97 he sure is a lot smarter and aware than anyone in congress This guy sure is amazing

206 Buster Bunny  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:43:41pm

My gut feeling is the US has a strict .. zero tolerance policy for jihadis with nukes .. and would act appropriately ...

Of course .. if i'm proven wrong .. there are backup plans .. in place too.

207 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:44:22pm

re: #199 savage_nation

What will they think of next--jalapeno ice cream?

208 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:45:02pm

re: #196 jaunte

re: #194 MandyManners


re: #173 OldLineTexan

re: #162 MandyManners

re: #152 jaunteJalapeno cornbread?

Good, if done well. I like the recipes with the whole corn kernels scattered amongst the pepper slices and chunks.

I don't know if I can wrap my head around anything in cornbread but corn meal, egg and milk.

In North Texas, they got up this crazy idea to put a hot dog in corn bread...

Deep fried and on a stick, what can go wrong?
/btw, the batter's usually a bit sweet

209 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:45:03pm

As strange as various genetic engineering exploration may be, it would probably be a while before somebody demanded the traits, "anal-retentive and forgetful".

"Greg, why is there a burrito in the baby's crib?"

hint: don't ask what's in the microwave!

210 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:45:04pm

re: #204 MandyManners

re: #196 jaunte

The Kid looooooooooooves corn dogs.

Hot dog, corn, on a stick. It may be the perfect kidfood.

211 tblot  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:45:04pm

re: #206 Buster Bunny

huh you hope

212 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:45:06pm

re: #203 OldLineTexan

I don't like food to be mean to any part of me.

213 realwest  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:45:34pm

re: #178 yochanan Um, y'all got any links for that?

214 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:46:13pm

Dang. I'm hungry. BBL. I got a date with a big bowl of ice cream and a bottle of chocolate syrup.

215 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:46:44pm
216 realwest  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:47:31pm

re: #214 MandyManners Hmmmm- a threesome huh?!

217 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:48:05pm

re: #212 MandyManners

One of the benefits of repeated burning with hot food (AirForce daughter in New Mexico tells me) is an increase in endorphin production by the brain. she claims that some people in NM are (emotionallly) addicted to the chile experience.
There's just that learning curve to get up.

218 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:48:13pm

re: #212 MandyManners

re: #203 OldLineTexan

I don't like food to be mean to any part of me.

It's more of a warm ... afterglow ...

219 Orde  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:48:37pm

re: #78 gop_patriot

re: #77 Syrah

On that day, if Venezuelan citizens pass the dozens of constitutional amendments on the ballot,

I have a feeling that no matter what the people of Venezuela actually vote, these amendments will "pass" anyway.

/Chavez, why don't you shut up?

Because of the Venezuelan voting machines?

220 Killian Bundy  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:50:49pm

re: #207 MandyManners

What will they think of next--jalapeno ice cream?

/Turkey & Gravy soda

221 realwest  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:50:53pm

re: #215 savage_nation Hey savage! How are you and where are you? How's you dad doing?

222 realwest  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:52:33pm

re: #220 Killian Bundy Ah geez Killian - and right before bed time?!

;>'

223 Syrah  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:52:37pm

re: #219 Orde

re: #78 gop_patriot

re: #77 Syrah

On that day, if Venezuelan citizens pass the dozens of constitutional amendments on the ballot,

I have a feeling that no matter what the people of Venezuela actually vote, these amendments will "pass" anyway.

/Chavez, why don't you shut up?

Because of the Venezuelan voting machines?

Sounds like a Paulian plot to me.

224 Buster Bunny  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:53:12pm

re: #211 tblot

Not hope.

Lets just say ... that nukes are old tech.
These days .. we got things that would blow your mind ... literally.

/nuff said.

225 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:53:37pm

re: #218 OldLineTexan

The afterburner.

226 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:54:04pm

re: #220 Killian Bundy

re: #207 MandyManners


What will they think of next--jalapeno ice cream?

/Turkey & Gravy soda

This year it's Christmas Ham...and, it's kosher.

227 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:56:16pm

re: #226 OldLineTexan

re: #220 Killian Bundy


re: #207 MandyManners

What will they think of next--jalapeno ice cream?

/Turkey & Gravy soda

This year it's Christmas Ham...and, it's kosher.

Perspiration Soda

228 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:56:45pm

re: #178 yochanan

Jewish IQ is a small % higher then the ave in the general population and the reason has nothing to do with race or ethnicity but a lot to do with self selection the jewish religion values being literate and being able to read the bible and other jewish works such as the talmud and being able to do this in the traditional jewish comm one would be more likely to get married and have more children than say some one who was just a labor. Do this for a couple of thousand years and the self selection process will increase the IQ level in the general jewish population.

It's not a "small %" higher, it's 15 points higher, at least for Ashkenazi jews. Bit the correct response to this tidbit is: who the hell cares? IQ tests are a meaningless abstraction that test one extremely isolated set of coginitive functions. It tells us next to nothing about the abilities, moral integrity, etc. of any individual. There are many hundreds of thousands of 140 IQ couch potatoes clogging up Manhattan and making it less fun for everyone else. Meanwhile not one of them -- NOT ONE -- could even approach one iota of the deeply human intellection happening in the mind of the man who produced Giant Steps.

IQ is a silly abstraction, and those who obsess over it reveal far more about their own shortcomings as human beings than any alleged flaws (or benefits) attached to a particular score on some stupid "test".

229 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 8:56:48pm

re: #226 OldLineTexan

re: #220 Killian Bundy

re: #207 MandyManners


What will they think of next--jalapeno ice cream?


/Turkey & Gravy soda

This year it's Christmas Ham...and, it's kosher.

Have to admit, I'm curious about the chemistry that will deliver a (kosher?) ham taste without the involvement of the ham .

230 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:00:16pm

Food killed the technical update thread.

231 realwest  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:01:49pm

re: #192 NJDhockeyfan In a link from your link, concerning Washington's pushing Mushareef to hold free and open elections:

"The US government argues that the push for democracy is the best way to ensure stability in Pakistan, a nuclear-armed Muslim country that is a frontline US ally in the war against the Taliban and Al-Qaeda."

Uh, think anyone has the balls to remind President Bush of the outcome of the free and open elections amongst the Palestinians:
Hamas.
So we could be pushing Pakistan into being governed by the Taliban/Al-Q form of Hamas.
Oh. Joy.

232 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:01:51pm
233 realwest  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:04:37pm

re: #230 jaunte Actually, those of us who use IE or Mathon helped kill it, too, since we are no longer able to use the LGF Daily Archives section - indeed it doesn't even appear on our screens.

234 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:05:05pm

Charles the search for "user:Ayatollah Ghilmeini" yields nothing in the 2002 date range. sniff

235 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:08:39pm

re: #233 realwest

I think the 'cat-herding' Charles does may be less about commenters here and more about software.
Meanwhile, here's a classical guitar quartet playing the Simpson's theme:

236 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:09:38pm

re: #72 NJDhockeyfan

Cambodia 1970's. Same thing happened to a Cambodian grunt. Medical team sandbaged him and removed the rpg/munition. I think I still have the clipping from the Bangkok Post.

237 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:10:31pm

re: #8 experiencedtraveller

Like Diogenes I search for an honest man.

So do the shareholders of Citigroup, and Wamu, and ETrade...

Their previous honest men had some honest money issues.

238 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:10:59pm

Charles, when I do the search is changes the date range to 06

:-(

239 tblot  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:12:34pm

re: #224 Buster Bunny

my mine already blown so nuthing new

240 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:15:30pm

re: #7 Buster Bunny

I remember the good ol' days at LGF .....

A steam powered telegraphy component with realtime punch card access and the ability to reply in calligraphy markup language ....

It was just the transmission by smoke signals that was difficult.

With OldLineTexan's chili, you might be able to drive TCP/Smoke-signal, just watch out for the segment retransmission, and disable packet sniffing.

241 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:18:29pm
242 Bobibutu  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:19:47pm

Why we at LGF bind together.

Great read.

Tribes

[Link: www.ejectejecteject.com...]

243 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:24:59pm

Don't chain me, bro!

LONDON (Reuters) - Police charged pop singer Boy George with false imprisonment on Tuesday after he allegedly chained a man to a wall at his London home.

Boy George, whose real name is George O'Dowd, was released on police bail and is scheduled to appear in court on November 22.

"George O'Dowd ... is charged with false imprisonment of a 28-year-old male ... on April 28, 2007," a police spokeswoman said.

The 47-year-old former Culture Club frontman was arrested in May after a man accused him of "false imprisonment and common assault" at the singer's London home.

SNIP

244 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:26:11pm

"I mean that I could ... shake a generation of the poorest Voodoo-worshippers in Haiti into a cadre of top-flight nuclear physicists, chemical engineers and computer scientists" (from Tribes).

Houston, we need a witch doctor.

245 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:26:13pm

re: #243 MandyManners

He'll probably say it was some type of performance art.

246 Bobibutu  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:28:04pm

re: #240 blackpajamas

re: #7 Buster Bunny

I remember the good ol' days at LGF .....

A steam powered telegraphy component with realtime punch card access and the ability to reply in calligraphy markup language ....

It was just the transmission by smoke signals that was difficult.

With OldLineTexan's chili, you might be able to drive TCP/Smoke-signal, just watch out for the segment retransmission, and disable packet sniffing.

You all are funny - I only go back to EBCIDIC, ASCII, Hex and Assembler.

We just didn't have to deal with that stuff then ... all we wanted to do was make the connection and get in sync!

Which was a bitch with the quality of phone lines back then - 60's.

247 Bobibutu  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:33:05pm

re: #243 MandyManners

Mandy - Mandy -Mandy -

How's the shoe salvation coming?

Mouse poop?

Gotta get you hooked up with the Marine of your dreams for the next Marine Ball. We have a year - so let's get started!

248 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:34:10pm
249 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:36:37pm

I like that Eject! Eject! Eject! article on Tribes. It seems somewhat disjoint however, like the beginning of Faulkner's The Sound and the Fury; Is it written by multiple people?

250 NY Nana  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:38:47pm

re: #219 Orde

Is it anything like the Florida Voting Machine?

251 Bobibutu  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:39:06pm

re: #249 blackpajamas

I like that Eject! Eject! Eject! article on Tribes. It seems somewhat disjoint however, like the beginning of Faulkner's The Sound and the Fury; Is it written by multiple people?

No - one guy - profoundly intelligent.

See his other stuff.

[Link: www.ejectejecteject.com...]

252 NY Nana  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:41:21pm

re: #243 MandyManners

Mandy,

I couldn't post the video I sent you, but here is the other one.

253 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:42:43pm

Thanks for extending the date range, Charles. Should make researching trolls a little faster.

254 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:44:32pm
255 realwest  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:48:53pm

re: #242 Bobibutu What an excellent piece by Bill Whittle. I've reported this to Charles in the perhaps vain hope that he might make a thread out of it, even if it was written in 2005.
Thank you very much for giving that link to us.

256 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:52:51pm

re: #254 song_and_dance_man

Dreaming of a theater near you.

Nice medly at the Budokan, I've never heard Erotomania modulate into saloon music before.

257 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:58:01pm

re: #255 realwest

re: #242 Bobibutu What an excellent piece by Bill Whittle. I've reported this to Charles in the perhaps vain hope that he might make a thread out of it, even if it was written in 2005.
Thank you very much for giving that link to us.

Hey RW!
That essay was written right after Katrina, we had several threads on it.
Thousands of comments.

258 realwest  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 9:59:45pm

re: #238 Ayatollah Ghilmeini Ah c'mon, stop your complaining - at least you can search back to 06!
Us inferior IE users can't search AT ALL.
Sheesh.

259 realwest  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:02:13pm

re: #257 DesertSage Huh, really? I musta been in the hospital then or else am having a major senior moment! LOL!
Can you check briefly to see if I had any posts about it (assuming you don't use Maxthon or IE7 as your preferred browser)?

260 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:04:23pm
261 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:06:20pm

re: #259 realwest

Here you go my friend....[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

262 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:09:42pm

"the Malodorous Michigan Manatee of Mendacity"

aka...Michael Moore.

263 jcm  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:09:58pm

Drive by:

By John Coleman

It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global warming... It is a SCAM.
Read the rest.

Here's his page of links.

264 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:12:49pm

re: #262 DesertSage

"the Malodorous Michigan Manatee of Mendacity"

aka...Michael Moore.

Or... the Stinky Sea Cow Sicko

265 Bobibutu  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:14:17pm

re: #255 realwest

re: #242 Bobibutu What an excellent piece by Bill Whittle. I've reported this to Charles in the perhaps vain hope that he might make a thread out of it, even if it was written in 2005.
Thank you very much for giving that link to us.

You are welcome - It concisely summed up my attitude and focused my awareness as to why I was amiable to some whatever their color, class or breed and not so to another. Damn fine essay. He has others ...

Whittle and the Big Liz would be good to at least know one another.

266 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:16:12pm
267 Bobibutu  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:18:01pm

re: #257 DesertSage

re: #255 realwest

re: #242 Bobibutu What an excellent piece by Bill Whittle. I've reported this to Charles in the perhaps vain hope that he might make a thread out of it, even if it was written in 2005.
Thank you very much for giving that link to us.

Hey RW!
That essay was written right after Katrina, we had several threads on it.
Thousands of comments.

In all due respect - it had nothing to do with Katrina - Bill had been working on it for months before.

268 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:19:45pm

Although I'm more than trilled to be quoted I'd prefer that my "There's no tent big enough for Nazis" be quoted with appropriate tone. Nuance.
/G'nite, y'all.

269 Render  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:21:57pm

You guys...

Bill Whittle IS a Lizard.

LONG
TIME,
R

270 gibsonz  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:26:03pm

MARKOS MOULITSAS, FOUNDER AND PUBLISHER OF DAILYKOS.COM,
TO BECOME NEWSWEEK CONTRIBUTOR FOR 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN
------
Just saw this, didn`t know if it had been linked.

271 Orbit Rain  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:27:39pm

...oh praise the lord...I've been waiting for this feature.

272 Bobibutu  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:28:21pm

re: #269 Render

You guys...

Bill Whittle IS a Lizard.

LONG
TIME,
R

Thank you!

273 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:30:09pm

re: #270 gibsonz

"He will give our readers in print and online a unique perspective."

Unique is certainly cheaper that historically accurate and intelligent perspective.

274 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:32:06pm

re: #267 Bobibutu

Maybe you're not reading the same "Tribes" as I am.
I said it was written right after Katrina. Maybe I should have said that it was published right after Katrina.

The sediment of the essay could apply to just about any disaster. I'm sure those thoughts were in his head for a long time. There has always been grey tribes and pink tribes. There has always been sheep and sheep dogs.

It all came to a head with Katrina, and he wrapped in into one great essay.

275 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:32:56pm
276 gibsonz  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:33:37pm

re: #273 blackpajamas
Unique is certainly cheaper that historically accurate and intelligent perspective.
------
Like Markos needs to add his two cents to anything!

277 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:39:21pm

re: #276 gibsonz

Yep. General Kostard and the 7th Cowardly are planning on running a strong anti-Bush campaign in 2008.

278 Orbit Rain  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:40:23pm

ahh projection and sticks, forgot sticks...I'd add jihad media; solutions problems...still can't remember Bush. & . . . ...

ohh and something is screwy...

Charles, can you give me the syntax for finding one of my comments with a specific word in the post?

8)

279 Bobibutu  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:40:50pm

re: #274 DesertSage

re: #267 Bobibutu

Maybe you're not reading the same "Tribes" as I am.
I said it was written right after Katrina. Maybe I should have said that it was published right after Katrina.

The sediment of the essay could apply to just about any disaster. I'm sure those thoughts were in his head for a long time. There has always been grey tribes and pink tribes. There has always been sheep and sheep dogs.

It all came to a head with Katrina, and he wrapped in into one great essay.

The link:

[Link: www.ejectejecteject.com...]

We have no arguement.

280 Irene NYC  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:45:22pm

Thanks Charles, a lot.

I am bookmarking this page 5 times.
;)

281 Highrise  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:46:27pm

re: #278 Orbit Rain

I just found out how to do that the other day.

Searching the word "lord" like this:

"user:Orbit Rain"lord


brings up your first post on this thread.

282 Highrise  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:46:41pm

re: #280 Irene NYC


haha same :)

283 realwest  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:48:03pm

re: #261 DesertSage Great thread even if I wasn't on it, damn it!
Whittle's a frickin genius. Period.

284 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:48:32pm
285 pat  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:49:02pm

re: #243 MandyManners

Ewwwwwww!

286 realwest  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:53:50pm

re: #282 Highrise Hi Highrise - went back to "that" thread and read your response to me, which was posted after I'd left.
Also left you an apology for my comment - I didn't "get" the context.
And you're quite correct when you say stvip is a pot stirrer and I should have known better. I also should have known better when I was in such a rush to leave.
Again, my apologies.

287 realwest  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:55:13pm

PIMF - I should have known better than to post something when I was in such a rush to leave!
Sigh.

288 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:57:52pm

re: #283 realwest

re: #261 DesertSage Great thread even if I wasn't on it, damn it!
Whittle's a frickin genius. Period.

Yeah, you weren't on that thread, what's up with that?
I posted on that thread...
It was over two years ago...
I need a life...

... :'(

289 realwest  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 10:58:14pm

Well y'all I see that it's waaay beyond my bed time and so I must leave.
Hope y'all have a GREAT NIGHT and that I get see you down the road.

290 realwest  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 11:00:00pm

re: #288 DesertSage Ah Sage, my friend, given the date, I was probably back in the hospital cause they discovered the cancer just about 6 weeks or so before that thread appeared.
NOW good night my friend!

291 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 11:09:27pm

I'm too tired to read this whole thread, will do in the am.

I love all you Lizards!

In and out, over and out.

292 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 11:10:32pm

"A man's moral conscience is the curse he had to accept from the gods
in order to gain from them the right to dream." —Faulkner

* Zzzzzz... Mmm... pizza... zzzZZzz *

293 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 11:11:02pm
294 Highrise  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 11:11:33pm

re: #286 realwest

np realwest :) .

295 pat  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 11:13:07pm

Wonderful. Makasey just got in and now he wants to investigate.... the USA for infringing on the rights of terrorists.
[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Just great. Bush is batting 0 in AGs and State. Don't get a President like this every day.

296 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 11:23:06pm

Evening fellow lizards.

Another example of BDS

Even tongue in cheek it's vile.

297 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 11:24:08pm
298 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 11:37:46pm

re: #297 song_and_dance_man

nice mix of insturments.

299 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 11:41:34pm
300 The Other Les  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 11:48:11pm

Michelle Malkin calls this sedition.

It is in fact sabotage and treason.

Activists protesting military shipments at the Port of Olympia poured cement over railroad tracks to try to block shipments coming out of the Port today, according to Olympia police.

Nobody was arrested after protesters unsuccessfully tried to keep trains from leaving the Port, said Olympia police Lt. Jim Costa. The Port cleaned up the cement, Costa said.

Protesters are a frequent presence at that location, where Iraq-bound Army equipment goes through the Port.


In a Communist state, such as the Soviet Union, which most of these scum idolize and wish to impose on us, the perpetrators of an identical act would be executed for sabotage and treason.

301 The Other Les  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 11:49:13pm

re: #299 song_and_dance_man

Eric big dog Johnson.

Well heck, if you're going to post Eric Johnson:

302 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 11:53:27pm
303 Render  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 11:53:53pm

Whistle Stop eh?

Thin Lizzy, Gary Moore breaks his low E right at the start and carries on as if...

and since I've mentioned one of my bass hero's, he's dead, but Phil still has a message for the nazi's.

ANGEL
OF
DEATH,
R

304 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 13, 2007 11:57:12pm
305 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 12:15:09am
306 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 12:24:04am

Good Morning Dead Thread!

Waking America up to reality

307 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 12:33:35am

re: #306 Carl in Jerusalem

Morning Carl. Good post.

308 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 12:34:04am
309 Render  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 12:35:12am

Everybody remember to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY KIRLY!

WUB
YA,
R

310 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 12:36:55am
Pakistani opposition politician Imran Khan has appeared in public for the first time since going into hiding when the government declared emergency rule.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

311 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 12:41:24am

re: #300 The Other Les

Activists protesting military shipments at the Port of Olympia poured cement over railroad tracks to try to block shipments coming out of the Port today, according to Olympia police.

I would call it attempted murder.

312 Ledger1  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 12:42:47am

re: #62 shanimal1918

OT rotflmao:


"We have always sought to represent a diversity of views in Newsweek, and we think Markos will be a great part of that tradition," said Newsweek Editor Jon Meacham. "He will give our readers in print and online a unique perspective.

Newsweak hired kos! He brings the unique perspective of a moron to the weakest moonbat magazine best used to line the kitty litter box.

Markos:

1. Screw Bush!

2. Screw the neo-cons!

3. Screw Charles Johnson and Little Green Footballs!

4. Screw Hillary. She is too moderate!

5. Screw all moderate Dems!

6. Screw all people who don't read Kos!

7. Screw the world!

313 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 12:45:38am
The Muslim Student Union is the collegiate arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. They are over 150 MSU chapters on college campuses in the U.S. One of the most notorious is the University of California at Irvine. We have blogged about radical Muslim speakers at UCIrvine including showing videos of their hate filled presentations. A brave California Assemblyman recorded some of the more egregious episodes and embarrassed the university’s administration in simply allowing recording of this vitriolic hate.


[Link: blog.americancongressfortruth.com...]

314 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 12:47:42am

Ron Paul would ignore him...Obama would have a chat with him..........

TEHRAN (AFP)---Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Sunday launched a new verbal attack on Israel, saying a "countdown" has begun that will end with Lebanese and Palestinian militants destroying the Jewish state.

[Link: www.ejpress.org...]

315 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 1:05:49am

re: #314 storagemanager

Ron Paul would ignore him...Obama would have a chat with him..........

And Rudy would bitch-slap him into next week.

316 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 1:12:23am

re: #315 myself

Rudy would bitch-slap him into next week.

And it would be worth the price of admission.

Rudy '08! ;-)

317 Mr. Beamish  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 1:17:03am

So how do we search for comments from someone besides Zombie?

/ducking, running, etc.

319 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 1:28:41am
320 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 1:35:20am

re: #317 Mr. Beamish

So how do we search for comments from someone besides Zombie?

Why would you want to?

321 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:00:11am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

322 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:00:53am

re: #318 Carl in Jerusalem

The more educated the Muslim, the more in favor of terror

Very interesting Carl.
I've always rejected the notion that crime in general is related to poverty. In the case of terrorists, figures seem to be quite slanted towards a middle or upper-middle class percentage of the thugs.

Who is Gush Emunim? The "settlers"?

323 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:02:10am

re: #321 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet %u2192 %u2192 %u2192 %u2192 %u2192
Help yourselves!

Thanks, littleoldlady! :)

324 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:02:30am

Miguelito! :-)

325 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:04:09am

What do we have for fruitcup today, littleoldlady?

326 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:05:37am

Well...we have fruit.

;-)

327 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:06:00am

...in a cup, of course.

328 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:10:16am

ROFL!

And here I was hoping for a glass of pineapple and watermelon...

330 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:11:55am

re: #322 MigueldowninMexico

re: #318 Carl in Jerusalem

The more educated the Muslim, the more in favor of terror

Very interesting Carl.
I've always rejected the notion that crime in general is related to poverty. In the case of terrorists, figures seem to be quite slanted towards a middle or upper-middle class percentage of the thugs.

Who is Gush Emunim? The "settlers"?

It's a settler revenant organization that was very active in the 70's and 80's.

331 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:12:18am

Hillary is getting a lot of flack over planted questions.

332 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:13:34am

re: #328 MigueldowninMexico

ROFL!

And here I was hoping for a glass of pineapple and watermelon...

Okay, your wish is my command!

/mixing is optional

333 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:19:18am

re: #332 littleoldlady

littleoldlady
U R D Queen of Hostesses ™ ;)

334 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:21:37am

re: #330 Carl in Jerusalem

Ok Carl, a revenant organizacion lol
I do believe in the power of words, and in the importance of using the correct words. Besides, I was not completely comfy with the word settlers, that's why I wrote it in quotes.
Thanks ;)

335 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:25:29am

I see that Jonathon Pollard has a shot at freedom and probation if he just reverts to is'lame. Hmm, Maybe not, we wasn't spying for the Hezzies.

336 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:27:20am

BenZ
Is it true that Pollard is the victim of a big injustice?

This is the guy in jail in the USA, right?

337 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:32:33am

re: #336 MigueldowninMexico

He's guilty, but was made an example of. US wanted to send a message, "Israel ya gots tooo many spies working in the US."

338 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:34:55am

Mahdi lose way, ends up at Parma (Cleveland) gas station.

"I actually watched it for 30 minutes, and then actually I watched it move and that is when I got freaked out," said station owner Amed Abudaaria.

339 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:35:15am

re: #337 BenZacharia

re: #336 MigueldowninMexico

He's guilty, but was made an example of. US wanted to send a message, "Israel ya gots tooo many spies working in the US."

Ok BenZ I get it. Thanks ;)

340 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:39:41am

An oracle concerning Annapolis.

Read the Book, 'W'
-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

I have to wonder if our president has ever actually read his Bible. In Zechariah 12:3, God promises – he does not suggest – he promises that "in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it SHALL be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it."

That "day" is here, yet our president thumbs his nose at God and, in his typical, arrogant tone proclaims "I am Jerusalem's 'decider.'" I not only fear for what meaning "Annapolis" will have in the future, but for our nation being "cut in pieces" as God promised.

Van Sullivan

341 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:41:34am

MdiM,

Pray your gummint doesn't decide to fiddle with Israel, and you'll survive. They will of course.

342 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:44:48am

re: #341 BenZacharia

MdiM,

Pray your gummint doesn't decide to fiddle with Israel, and you'll survive. They will of course.

I assume gummit means "government"
If that's the case, no problem, as the government here is no friend of picking up fights with other governments.

It's always Chavez the one who begins trouble. ;)

343 hazzyday  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:49:48am

re: #270 gibsonz

MARKOS MOULITSAS, FOUNDER AND PUBLISHER OF DAILYKOS.COM,
TO BECOME NEWSWEEK CONTRIBUTOR FOR 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN
------
Just saw this, didn`t know if it had been linked.

Fake but accurate

344 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:54:23am

re: #343 hazzyday

Newsweek has always been a commie rag in disguise.
But this is a step into the fringe unhinged left for them.

As a sage, I see my cristal ball and say: I can see, Newsweek's circulation plunging even lower, and lower...and lower...

It was already mentioned somewhere around ;)

345 hazzyday  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:55:30am

re: #300 The Other Les

I hope that they are prosecuted fully. Their stated aim is to make the port waste money. Not to mention the stretched thin police. All it will do is make my property taxes go up a $100 or so. There is a local city councilmen that is in cahoots with the demonstrators and they waste no time trying to take advantage of other people.

I am afraid I found it entertaining to watch them snivel about how they were abused by the police during the demonstration. I think marshmallows were handed out and they cried that there were no napkins.

346 hazzyday  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:56:40am

re: #344 MigueldowninMexico
maybe a few LGF threads will throw them into a tizzy.

347 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 2:58:57am

re: #346 hazzyday

re: #344 MigueldowninMexico
maybe a few LGF threads will throw them into a tizzy.

I hope so! LOL

348 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:03:42am

re: #345 hazzyday

I hope that they are prosecuted fully...

"Paging Charles Whitman"

349 Carridine  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:04:29am

re: #343 hazzyday

re: #270 gibsonz
MARKOS MOULITSAS, FOUNDER AND PUBLISHER OF DAILYKOS.COM,
TO BECOME NEWSWEEK CONTRIBUTOR FOR 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN
------
Just saw this, didn`t know if it had been linked.

Fake but accurate

Wonderful news, Hazzy! Markos has a BLACK THUMB, and his endorsement of anything outside "DailyKos" has proven to be the kiss of death, the touch of death, the thumb of Thanatos...

350 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:04:33am

Congress in Mexico just passed a law that political parties are forbiden to buy time in the MSM for political campaigns!
I think it is for radio and TV, but it might encompass the printed press too.
The savings are going to be big, as parties recieve very hefty summes from the government, but in the future, they won't get a cent more for media!
It's going to be tough for the parties I guess.
OTOH this will put pressure on them to deliver more and trust less in just image.
I'm flabbergasted anyway, it's a huge change. And all parties in congress voted in agreement about this.
Perhaps it's the typical "idea which time has come".

351 Mr. Beamish  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:12:58am

re: #350 MigueldowninMexico

Congress in Mexico just passed a law that political parties are forbiden to buy time in the MSM for political campaigns!
I think it is for radio and TV, but it might encompass the printed press too.
The savings are going to be big, as parties recieve very hefty summes from the government, but in the future, they won't get a cent more for media!
It's going to be tough for the parties I guess.

Does this mean the candidates for President of Mexico won't be making campaign stops in central California (anymore)?

352 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:13:45am

One in four Republicans (at least in New Hampshire) wouldn't vote for Romney because he's a member of the CJCLDS, a Mormon.
That's unfair and stupid -if it's true.
That assertion is on the last words of this article...

353 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:14:07am

re: #350 MigueldowninMexico

Congress in Mexico just passed a law that political parties are forbiden to buy time in the MSM for political campaigns!

Is that like allowing "Vote Giuliani" but prohibiting "Vote Republican"?

354 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:16:20am

Greek Orthodox and Catholic Church get into bed with Fatah and Ham'asse, start having regrets. Shoulda thought about that in the first place.

355 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:17:56am

re: #351 Mr. Beamish

re: #350 MigueldowninMexico

Congress in Mexico just passed a law that political parties are forbiden to buy time in the MSM for political campaigns!
I think it is for radio and TV, but it might encompass the printed press too.
The savings are going to be big, as parties recieve very hefty summes from the government, but in the future, they won't get a cent more for media!
It's going to be tough for the parties I guess.

Does this mean the candidates for President of Mexico won't be making campaign stops in central California (anymore)?

No idea.
This ruling of Congress was about spots and commercials on either the electronic media or all of the MSM, not sure here.
Anyway, the next candidates for President will be campaigning in 2012, still a ways to go.

356 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:19:45am

Good morning, Lizards.

357 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:19:56am

re: #352 MigueldowninMexico

One in four Republicans (at least in New Hampshire) wouldn't vote for Romney because he's a member of the CJCLDS, a Mormon.
That's unfair and stupid -if it's true.
That assertion is on the last words of this article...

Would you vote for a fundamentalist Muslim?

358 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:20:50am

re: #353 victor_yugo

re: #350 MigueldowninMexico

Congress in Mexico just passed a law that political parties are forbiden to buy time in the MSM for political campaigns!

Is that like allowing "Vote Giuliani" but prohibiting "Vote Republican"?

All propaganda is banished, candidates and parties.
It's hard to believe. Let's see how it pans out next year when there will be six State races, for governor, state congress and city halls.
The savings is considerable, about 500 million dollars.
The media are suffering...

359 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:22:09am

re: #357 BenZacharia

re: #352 MigueldowninMexico

One in four Republicans (at least in New Hampshire) wouldn't vote for Romney because he's a member of the CJCLDS, a Mormon.
That's unfair and stupid -if it's true.
That assertion is on the last words of this article...

Would you vote for a fundamentalist Muslim?

Non sequitur BenZ.
A Mormon is not a Muslim.

360 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:24:36am

re: #354 BenZacharia

Greek Orthodox and Catholic Church get into bed with Fatah and Ham'asse, start having regrets. Shoulda thought about that in the first place.

You comment is unfair. According to the article you linked, they were forced, they never "got into bed". And if they were forced, they are completely innocent.
:p

361 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:24:43am

re: #359 MigueldowninMexico


Non sequitur BenZ.
A Mormon is not a Muslim.

Do you know what a Mormon is?

362 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:25:56am

Good morning, goddess :)

363 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:26:14am

re: #360 MigueldowninMexico

Read it again, it says they took part in the Ham'asse shindig VOLUNTARILY, then were forced into the arafish thang.

364 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:26:28am

re: #361 BenZacharia

re: #359 MigueldowninMexico


Non sequitur BenZ.
A Mormon is not a Muslim.

Do you know what a Mormon is?

I do.

365 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:27:39am

re: #363 BenZacharia

re: #360 MigueldowninMexico

Read it again, it says they took part in the Ham'asse shindig VOLUNTARILY, then were forced into the arafish thang.

Ok BenZ. Still they are under constant threat. They either play alone, or have a very harsh time.

Do you think Mormons are like Muslims?

366 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:29:14am

re: #307 BlueCanuck

BC, please see my very late response to your posts on Monday's Saudi thread.

367 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:30:51am

re: #365 MigueldowninMexico

Addendum.
Anyway my post was not to defend mormons. It was just to express that to decide not to vote for someone just because her/his religion is unfair.
Of course, except when a "religion" is a cult. As in the case of Islam.

368 formercorpsman  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:32:24am

re: #365 MigueldowninMexico

Good morning guys.

Miguel, for some reason, that part of the world is rife with anti-Semitic catholics.

Munchhausen's if you ask me.

369 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:34:39am

re: #365 MigueldowninMexico

Ok BenZ. Still they are under constant threat. They either play alone, or have a very harsh time.

They stood up to the nazis and the commies. Is is'lame different?

Do you think Mormons are like Muslims?

Both Enemies of The Most High.

370 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:35:31am

re: #368 formercorpsman

I didn't know that.

371 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:35:42am

Morning all.
Yesterday oil was down $3.45, gold down $8.60, the Dow way up.
Can you say see-saw?

372 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:36:50am

re: #367 MigueldowninMexico

...except when a "religion" is a cult. As in the case of Islam.

And Mormons, Jws, 7th days....

373 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:38:35am

re: #372 BenZacharia

re: #367 MigueldowninMexico

...except when a "religion" is a cult. As in the case of Islam.

And Mormons, Jws, 7th days....

I don't visualize those you mention as dangerous.
Still waiting for a Mormon to blow up in a bus or a restaurant...

374 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:40:00am

Ben Zach, what's your perception of Mormons versus, say, Methodists?
(Presbyterian here; I don't see Mormons as Christians any more than Jehovahs Witnesses or Unitarians.)

375 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:40:07am

re: #371 Jim in Virginia

Morning all.
Yesterday oil was down $3.45, gold down $8.60, the Dow way up.
Can you say see-saw?

Oil and gold will not settle back to the pre-high levels. If it were so we would have $24/barrel oil like on January 21, 2001. Settles back a little and then begin climping again after a rest period.

376 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:40:48am

Wow Ben. You're Karnak.

377 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:42:20am

re: #369 BenZacharia

re: #365 MigueldowninMexico

Ok BenZ. Still they are under constant threat. They either play alone, or have a very harsh time.

They stood up to the nazis and the commies. Is is'lame different?

Do you think Mormons are like Muslims?

Both Enemies of The Most High.

Who stood up to nazis and commies? ME Catholics?
Catholics in the Third Reich could not stand up to nazis, and Catholics in the USSR and red china could not stand up to communists.
OTOH hand Catholics in Europe have standed up to muslims many times.
It's a matter of where you live. ;)

Do you consider Mormons as enemies of the Most High?
Wow.

378 formercorpsman  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:43:22am

re: #370 MigueldowninMexico

It is something that I have been trying to gain more knowledge on, myself being catholic.

I think this why history is of the utmost importance.

For some reason, too many Catholics are willing to get into bed with islamists in Lebanon, etc.

Israel is not responsible for the exodus of chrisitans from the holy land.

Recall the reserve of Israel during the church seize, terrorists desecrated a place held in very dear regard to many people throughout the world.

Hopefully, Benedict will stand tall against the threat.

379 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:46:48am

re: #374 Jim in Virginia

Ben Zach, what's your perception of Mormons versus, say, Methodists?
(Presbyterian here; I don't see Mormons as Christians any more than Jehovahs Witnesses or Unitarians.)

The christian (small 'c') cults don't get there main doctrines from extra biblical source's.

As far as Methodists and Presbyterians I hold this against them, they both subscribe to the doctrine of supersessionism/replacement theology. In which they have taken the place of Israel and all the promises have been transferred to them. The nation of Israel and the Jewish people are of no more importance than any other people and are irrelevant in Ha'Shems economy.

380 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:48:50am

re: #378 formercorpsman

You mean the church of the Nativity?
I sort of remember that incident.

It's true what you say about Lebanon. There are many Lebanese in Mexico, mostly Maronites (Catholic) and they don't like Jews at all.
Still Mexican Jews and Mexican Arabs are constantly making business together lol.
I have the impression that being anti-Jew is a feature of Arabs in general.
The old, Ishmail-Isaac rift.

381 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:50:16am

BenZ

The christian (small 'c') cults don't get there main doctrines from extra biblical source's.


I think you meant the contrary.

382 formercorpsman  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:51:40am

re: #380 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel, have a good day buddy.

Shower and shave time here.

Catch you guys later.

383 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:52:07am

re: #377 MigueldowninMexico

Who stood up to nazis and commies? ME Catholics?
Catholics in the Third Reich could not stand up to nazis,

They did and they paid the price for it. Death camps and gassed.

and Catholics in the USSR and red china could not stand up to communists.

They did and they paid the price for it. Gulags/re-educatin camps and starved to death. Add to that, VN and Cambodia murdered for standing for what they believed.

OTOH hand Catholics in Europe have standed up to muslims many times.

So what now? They stand for what they believe as long as it is not too close?

384 BabbaZee  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:52:16am

On Using the Term "Cult"

Even though we have each studied cults and educated people about this subject for more than 20 years, neither of us has ever felt completely comfortable with the term "cult." No other term, however, serves more effectively the linked educational and research aims of ICSA (International Cultic Studies Association, founded as American Family Foundation in 1979), the organization that we serve as president (Rosedale) and executive director (Langone). In order to help others who have asked questions about the term "cult," we here offer some thoughts on the definition and use of this term.
Review of Definitions

According to the "Compact Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary"(1971) the term, "cult," originally referred to "worship; reverential homage rendered to a divine being or beings...a particular form or system of religious worship; especially in reference to its external rites and ceremonies...devotion or homage to a particular person or thing." More recently, the term has taken on additional connotations:

3 : A religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious...

4 : A system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator...

5 a. great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work...b. a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion." (Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Tenth Edition, 1994)

Robbins's (1988) review of recent sociological contributions to the study of cults identifies four definitional perspectives:

(1) cults as dangerous, authoritarian groups;

(2) cults as culturally innovative or transcultural groups;

(3) cults as loosely structured protoreligions;

(4) Stark and Bainbridge’s (1985) subtypology that distinguishes among "audience cults" (members seek to receive information, e.g., through a lecture or tape series) "client cults" (members seek some specific benefit, e.g., psychotherapy, spiritual guidance), and "cult movements" (organizations that demand a high level of commitment from members). The Stark and Bainbridge typology relates to their finding that cult membership increases as church membership decreases.

Rutgers University professor Benjamin Zablocki (1997) says that sociologists often distinguish "cult" from "church," "sect," and "denomination." Cults are innovative, fervent groups. If they become accepted into the mainstream, cults, in his view, lose their fervor and become more organized and integrated into the community; they become churches. When people within churches become dissatisfied and break off into fervent splinter groups, the new groups are called sects. As sects become more stolid and integrated into the community, they become denominations. Zablocki defines a cult as "an ideological organization held together by charismatic relationships and demanding total commitment." According to Zablocki, cults are at high risk of becoming abusive to members, in part because members' adulation of charismatic leaders contributes to their becoming corrupted by the power they seek and are accorded.

Definitions proposed at various times by associates of ICSA tend to presume the manifestation of what is potential in Zablocki's definition. These definitions tend to emphasize elements of authoritarian structure, deception, and manipulation and the fact that groups may be psychotherapeutic, political, or commercial, as well as religious. One of the more commonly quoted definitions of "cult" was articulated at an ICSA/UCLA Wingspread Conference on Cultism in 1985:

Cult (totalist type): A group or movement exhibiting a great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea, or thing and employing unethically manipulative techniques of persuasion and control (e.g. isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to heighten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressures, information management
[SNIP]

385 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:52:39am

re: #381 MigueldowninMexico

BenZ


The christian (small 'c') cults don't get there main doctrines from extra biblical source's.

I think you meant the contrary.

DOH!

387 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:54:33am

BenZ
Replacement is the basis for Christian Theology.
It's impossible to understand Christianity without realizing this.
For Christians, Jesus Christ came to give us the plenitud of knowledge of God with His preaching and Graces. Thus, Christianity is more complete, thus it comes to replace.
Now, it depends on different groups to elaborate from there.
For Catholics, for instance, there will be Jews that will go to Heaven, others to Purgatory and others to Hell, just the same as in every single human group.
Other theologies only admit their own to Heaven, for instance. Etc.

388 BabbaZee  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:55:41am

re: #386 Carl in Jerusalem

I had been posting that here over and over about a year ago.

Very interesting debate
IMO everyone should watch that.

389 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:56:12am

re: #382 formercorpsman

re: #380 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel, have a good day buddy.

Shower and shave time here.

Catch you guys later.

Goodbye, corpsman, you have a good day too! :)

390 BabbaZee  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 3:58:08am

re: #387 MigueldowninMexico

Replacement is the basis for Christian Theology.

No it is not.

"Replacement Theology"

If the above definition is what you are referring to in your post (I hope it is not and you are just unaware of the theological usage of the terms)

it is entirely biblically incorrect

391 BabbaZee  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:01:18am

What Is Replacement Theology?

Replacement Theology was introduced to the Church shortly after Gentile leadership took over from Jewish leadership. What are its premises?

1. Israel (the Jewish people and the land) has been replaced by the Christian Church in the purposes of God, or, more precisely, the Church is the historic continuation of Israel to the exclusion of the former.


2. The Jewish people are now no longer a "chosen people." In fact, they are no different from any other group, such as the English, Spanish, or Africans.


3. Apart from repentance, the new birth, and incorporation into the Church, the Jewish people have no future, no hope, and no calling in the plan of God. The same is true for every other nation and group.


4. Since Pentecost of Acts 2, the term "Israel," as found in the Bible, now refers to the Church.


5. The promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ.

[SNIP]

392 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:01:19am

Babba!
Hello there is good to see you :)
Congratulations for your great work!

Spanish conserves the word "culto" in the first meaning, like the worship of God.
"Secta" i. e. "sect", would be what "cult" is in modern English.

393 BabbaZee  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:01:42am

re: #392 MigueldowninMexico

thanks Miguel
I have tons more work to do

394 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:02:54am

re: #387 MigueldowninMexico

BenZ
Replacement is the basis for Christian Theology.

Not according to Christians United for Israel.
This has yet to happen, notice the conditions for 'ceasing to be', no sun/moon/stars etc. I looked outside saw the stars.

Jeremiah 31:31-37 JPS
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah;
32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; forasmuch as they broke My covenant, although I was a lord over them, saith the LORD.
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the LORD, I will put My law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people;
34 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying: 'Know the LORD'; for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.
35 Thus saith the LORD, Who giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, who stirreth up the sea, that the waves thereof roar, the LORD of hosts is His name:
36 If these ordinances depart from before Me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever.
37 Thus saith the LORD: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, then will I also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

395 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:07:35am

re: #391 BabbaZee

What Is Replacement Theology?

Replacement Theology was introduced to the Church shortly after Gentile leadership took over from Jewish leadership. What are its premises?

1. Israel (the Jewish people and the land) has been replaced by the Christian Church in the purposes of God, or, more precisely, the Church is the historic continuation of Israel to the exclusion of the former.


2. The Jewish people are now no longer a "chosen people." In fact, they are no different from any other group, such as the English, Spanish, or Africans.


3. Apart from repentance, the new birth, and incorporation into the Church, the Jewish people have no future, no hope, and no calling in the plan of God. The same is true for every other nation and group.


4. Since Pentecost of Acts 2, the term "Israel," as found in the Bible, now refers to the Church.


5. The promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ.

[SNIP]

Ok what I mean for "Replacement Theology" -at least from a Catholic viewpoint- applies to # 1 above. Numbers 2,3 and 5 definitively do not apply. Number four is taken only as figure of speech, the Church can be called "Israel" as figuratively, but there is an original Israel, still here, made up of the Jewish people.
So, in summe and strictly speaking, only #1 would apply.

396 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:11:24am

re: #394 BenZacharia

Ok BenZ. There can be a future Covenant for the Jewish people to enter with the Lord in.
I have no qualms with that.
But we Christians believe that we have a Covenant with God.
This one, Jews usually don't recognize.

397 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:13:42am

For those who abrogate unto themselves the title Jew/Israel who are not.

Revelation 3:9 YLT
Lo, I make of the synagogue of the Adversary (editors note aka 'Stan') those saying themselves to be Jews, and are not, but do lie; lo, I will make them that they may come and bow before thy feet, and may know that I loved thee (descentdants of Abe, Ike & Jake).

Ouch! That's gonna leave a bruise.

398 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:14:25am

Holly Molly Guacamolly.
It's so late and here I am talking about theology.
I will be heading to bed in a few minutes.
The discussion is very interesting though ;)

399 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:15:07am

re: #398 MigueldowninMexico

'Nite MdiM.

400 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:17:32am

re: #397 BenZacharia

For those who abrogate unto themselves the title Jew/Israel who are not.

Revelation 3:9 YLT
Lo, I make of the synagogue of the Adversary (editors note aka 'Stan') those saying themselves to be Jews, and are not, but do lie; lo, I will make them that they may come and bow before thy feet, and may know that I loved thee (descentdants of Abe, Ike & Jake).

Ouch! That's gonna leave a bruise.

BenZ
You're quoting Christian Scripture.
It could not refer to Christians as false Jews,as this is a Christian Prophecy.

Abe, Ike and Jake, went down to Amsterdam.

401 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:18:37am

Goodbye everybody and God bless :)

402 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:18:38am

Things ya learn in 4 years at a Baptist JH/HS*, until being expelled.

*It was free**, so my parents sent me.

**Weirod guardianship*** arrangement made it possible

***Not me, another.

/end notes

403 BabbaZee  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:19:09am

re: #395 MigueldowninMexico

#1 is the mother of the rest

#1 is absolutely
unequivocally
biblically
wrong

and violates Genesis 12:3 to boot

The husband is up though so

I have to come back in a little while


I am sure Ben will shred this up in my absence though, LOL

404 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:20:11am

re: #400 MigueldowninMexico

BenZ
You're quoting Christian Scripture.

What am I suppose to quote to a Christian? The IHOP menu?

405 BabbaZee  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:21:32am

re: #396 MigueldowninMexico

There can be a future Covenant for the Jewish people to enter with the Lord in.

Just saw this on refresh to see if the last post took, I have to address this

Sorry amigo but that is plain insane.

You need to actually read your bible yourself, and I mean deeply... not just accept the dogma or interpretation of your church.


Wow.

406 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:23:52am

re: #403 BabbaZee

re: #395 MigueldowninMexico

#1 is the mother of the rest

#1 is absolutely
unequivocally
biblically
wrong

and violates Genesis 12:3 to boot

The husband is up though so

I have to come back in a little while


I am sure Ben will shred this up in my absence though, LOL


He'll do nothing of the sort, as I am leaving LOL
But this is a like a banquet you present to me.
I'm salivating...
I will talk to you an BenZ about this in the future.
And as an heir of the Promises of YHWH I will sleep in His lap :p
Take care Babba.

407 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:26:09am

re: #405 BabbaZee

re: #396 MigueldowninMexico

There can be a future Covenant for the Jewish people to enter with the Lord in.

Just saw this on refresh to see if the last post took, I have to address this

Sorry amigo but that is plain insane.

You need to actually read your bible yourself, and I mean deeply... not just accept the dogma or interpretation of your church.


Wow.

Babba
Disqualifying like that someone who doesn't intepret things the way you do, won't cut it.
If it gets personal I rather pass on that discussion.

Good bye and take care.

408 Tigger2005  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:26:57am

re: #372 BenZacharia

re: #367 MigueldowninMexico

...except when a "religion" is a cult. As in the case of Islam.

And Mormons, Jws, 7th days....

I don't think we should consider a religious movement a "cult" just because they have beliefs that aren't "mainstream," or that they have a founding story for which the evidence for and against isn't lost in the mists of time. 2,000 years from now will anyone be able to prove conclusively that the metal discs and the Urim & Thummim didn't exist?

To me a cult is a religious movement that claims to have all the answers, that allows no doubt or questioning, that makes it difficult or impossible to leave, that requires separation from the rest of society and even from family, that demands absolute devotion and submission, and so on.

The question that must be asked of a Presidential candidate is: will he (or she) protect and defend the Constitution of the United States to the best of his ability? Will he enforce secular law equally? Will he promote the religious rights and freedoms of ALL Americans?

If the candidate cannot satisfactorily answer these questions, or if his prior record or statements suggest that he cannot sufficiently separate his beliefs from his duties and responsibilities as the secular leader of all Americans, he should not be elected President.

409 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:33:56am

re: #408 Tigger2005

I don't think we should consider a religious movement a "cult" just because they have beliefs that aren't "mainstream,"...

Mormons "god was once a man, and we mormon men will become gods." "Jesus and Stan are blood brothers, having the same physical father."

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

410 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:39:09am
411 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:39:47am
412 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:41:54am

Beer prices are gonna' go up.

413 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:44:30am

'Kid gloves' surge worked. Can you imagine how well a real good old fashion Grant/Sherman/Lee/Ike/Patton/McArthur offensive would have worked?

414 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:45:47am

re: #412 MandyManners

Beer prices are gonna' go up.

Redeyes all around!

415 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:47:01am

TTFN™, gotta free up the land line, expecting sad news soon.

416 nonic  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:48:50am

re: #408 Tigger2005

To me a cult is a religious movement that claims to have all the answers, that allows no doubt or questioning, that makes it difficult or impossible to leave, that requires separation from the rest of society and even from family, that demands absolute devotion and submission, and so on.

To me a cult is a religious movement that claims to have all the answers,

Everything is in the koran, from allah’s lips to your ear, ask the imam.

that allows no doubt or questioning,

Doubt is blasphemy, punishable by the lash.

that makes it difficult or impossible to leave,

Leaving is apostasy, punishable by death.

that requires separation from the rest of society and even from family,

The veil and “do not take infidels as friends.”

that demands absolute devotion and submission, and so on.

Groveling 5 times a day.

Conclusion? And that's without talking about valuing death over life. :-)

Good morning, people.

417 BabbaZee  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 4:56:11am

Miguel:

Disqualifying like that someone who doesn't intepret things the way you do, won't cut it.

I go by the Word of GOD Miguel


not my own word or interpretation
and certainly
not the word or interpretation of a religious ~ism.

Replacement theology is just that, replacement.

It replaces the word of GOD with the word of Men.

Jesus said ZERO that was not supported by the "old testament"

Jesus said ZERO regarding replacing HIMSELF and his people.

Read your bible yourself cover to cover and then get back to me.


See you in a year or so on this then, hmm?

Unreal.

418 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 5:02:58am
419 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 5:04:15am

Tainted and exposed to its putrescent core: The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters

Now wouldn't it be down-right stupid to get mixed-up with such? hmmmm seems to me....

Von Paul, da.

420 BabbaZee  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 5:06:08am

re: #419 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Every time I play six degrees of Vlaams Belang I end up at Ron Paul

421 BabbaZee  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 5:07:29am

re: #419 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Also see here

422 BabbaZee  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 5:08:26am
Perhaps you have heard of the term Replacement Theology. However, if you look it up in a dictionary of Church history, you will not find it listed as a systematic study. Rather, it is a doctrinal teaching that originated in the early Church. It became the fertile soil from which Christian anti-Semitism grew and has infected the Church for nearly 1,900 years.
424 right wing zephyr  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 5:10:45am

re: #420 BabbaZee

re: #419 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Every time I play six degrees of Vlaams Belang I end up at Ron Paul

Oh yeah! If the loon Ron Paul came out hard and fast against Islam, then I think you'd have to give him a groin pull.

425 BabbaZee  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 5:12:32am

re: #424 right wing zephyr

He's a stalking horse, a test of the water.

426 right wing zephyr  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 5:14:05am

re: #417 BabbaZee

Miguel:

Disqualifying like that someone who doesn't intepret things the way you do, won't cut it.

I go by the Word of GOD Miguel


not my own word or interpretation
and certainly
not the word or interpretation of a religious ~ism.

Replacement theology is just that, replacement.

It replaces the word of GOD with the word of Men.

Jesus said ZERO that was not supported by the "old testament"

Jesus said ZERO regarding replacing HIMSELF and his people.

Read your bible yourself cover to cover and then get back to me.


See you in a year or so on this then, hmm?

Unreal.

Awesome and Just! The idea that there are people like you out there, fills me with hope.

427 BabbaZee  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 5:16:29am

MIGUEL YOUR OWN CHURCH AGREES WITH ME

In any event, a helpful place to start is this Statement, by Walter Cardinal Kasper, the President of the Church's Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews, Antisemitism, a Wound to be Healed looks at Christian (and in particular, Catholic) antisemitism in the context of contempory Catholic theological approaches to relations between Catholics and Jews. The article is two years old, and couched in an idiom that may be unfamiliar to non-students of Vatican documents, but is worthwhile reading for those who seek to understand exactly what Church teachings on "replacement theology" and antisemitism actually are. Replacement theology has been explicitly rejected by the Catholic Church:

Consequently, as a "messianic people", the Church does not replace Israel, but is grafted onto it, according to the Pauline doctrine, through adherence to Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the world, who died and rose; and this link forms a spiritual bond that is radical, unique and insuppressible for Christians. Although the contrasting concept - of an Israel once (olim) pre-chosen but later rejected by God for ever and now replaced by the Church - may have had widespread dissemination for almost 20 centuries, it does not in reality represent a truth of the faith, as can be seen both in the ancient Creeds of the early Church and in the teaching of the most important Councils, especially of the Second Vatican Council (Lumen Gentium, n. 16; Dei Verbum, nn. 14-16; Nostra Aetate, n. 4).

Nostra Aetate is the Second Vatican Council's Decree on relations between the Church and other religions. Citing Pope John Paul II, Cardinal Kasper continues:

Dialogue and collaboration between Christians and Jews also implies that "acknowledgment be given to any part which the children of the Church have had in the growth and spread of anti-Semitism in history; forgiveness must be sought for this from God, and every effort must be made to favour encounters of reconciliation and of friendship with the sons of Israel"

SNIP

428 BabbaZee  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 5:17:33am

re: #426 right wing zephyr

{RWZ}

Well I've noticed that more often than not it fills

most

people with dread and anger, LOL

429 right wing zephyr  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 5:18:37am

re: #425 BabbaZee

re: #424 right wing zephyr

He's a stalking horse, a test of the water.

The Enemy twists... and stalks, not to hurt you but to Kill you and Destroy you.

430 BabbaZee  Wed, Nov 14, 2007 5:19:04am

re: