I insist Olmert must be deposed.

Syria will next demand that all Israelis leave or kill themselves and that Miami Beach be returned to the Ummah.

The ridiculous Annapolis “peace in our time” conference continues careening toward disaster ...

More sharp verbiage from Charles, love it!

Remember that whatever you do in life, 90 percent of it is half mental.
- Yogi Berra (1925 - )

I suspect they will bring a few hostages to the negotiating table in exchange for the re annex of Lebanon

Syria, Israel’s neighbor to the north and a long-time foe, had insisted the meeting also deal with the future of the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights captured in the 1967 Middle East war.

Yeah, well I insist I get a pony for Christmas.

Saudi Arabia Marks 136th Beheading of 2007

[Link: www...]foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312768,00.html

I predict a disaster in the making. There can be no positive outcome for this meeting, it is a setup and Israel is the red headed bastard step child. This meeting must end with the downfall of the traitor Olmert and his band of idiots. Either Israel stands up to the US and Pres Bush or it will set itself up for its demise. Although Israel will never be destroyed, there will be a terrible price to pay.

Oh, I don't know. This might be a golden opportunity to ask the Syrian delegate just exactly what was at that site that the Israelis supposedly "didn't" bomb.

Rollin' out the red carpet for another Ba'athist dictator. Oy vey!

A Million Syrians in the Golan?
Middle East affairs expert Dr. Guy Bechor says that if the Golan is given over to Syria, Syria will immediately begin populating the area with hundreds of thousands of its citizens, "thus forming a type of Gaza on our northern shoulder." As a result, Bechor continues, the Galilee - the heavily Arab-populated area of northern Israel just beneath the Golan Heights - will come under Syrian influence, possibly leading to Galilee-originating Arab terror attacks on the rest of Israel.

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

I'm not sure I can stomach watching the news for the next week. Hearing Olmert profess his willingless to sell Israel down the river for a Mohammedan-hudna.

Tar and feathers! Tar and feathers for Olmert!

/I actually have a slightly more violent remedy in mind but I'm desperately trying to keep my emotions in check. :-/

Former IDF chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. (res.) Moshe Ya'alon explains why Olmert is agreeing to surrender Israel:

'Corrupt media protecting politicians'

"Politicians have learned that if they lead a move of disengagement, realignment or caving in, the mainstream of public opinion, and I refer chiefly to the media, will support them," Ya'alon said.

"I read the words of some journalists who are considered to be senior [members of the press]. There is corruption there that I think brings politicians to realize that if they want to be protected by the media and receive 'reprieves' for professional failures and moral issues, they should proceed in certain directions. I certainly suspect that we are now experiencing such a case."

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Considering at the least Syria was constructing a nuclear reactor, though I found the hypothesis of bomb assembling plausible, this is so wrong. I'm fed up with Bush working on his legacy at the expense of Israel.

re: #6 MandyManners

Syria, Israel’s neighbor to the north and a long-time foe, had insisted the meeting also deal with the future of the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights captured in the 1967 Middle East war.

Yeah, well I insist I get a pony for Christmas.

Nice place for a new Six Flags amusement park, see those burqas flying in the wind.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his Syrian counterpart President Bashar Assad in a telephone conversation on Sunday underlined the need to further support Palestinian nation. Only the real representatives of the Palestinian nation are eligible to decide their own destiny, said the two president.

The two presidents also discussed latest regional and
international developments mainly those concerning Palestine and underlined that the upcoming Annapolis conference is doomed to failure.

The US-sponsored Middle East conference in Annapolis, Maryland, is to be held on November 7.

[Link: www2.irna.com...]

re: #6 MandyManners Um, Mandy didja get an e-mail from me (I used your nic and Charles "safe" e-mail system)?!

re: #14 Opinionated

However. The operative word about Olmert and his corrupt Government is tthat they are agreeing to surrender Israel.

The push to hurt Israel is coming from the Bush Administartion.

I always wondered what it felt like for an English Jew or a French Jew or others to live in a country where their Governments were the enemies of Israel.

I woke up with a sick feeling this morning. Because now I know how it feels.

So it is written, so shall it be...

A lot of bad things are clearly happening. That is not in dispute.

So much of this has been available information for a couple Milena. Why is everyone so surprised?

re: #13 {littleoldlady} Hey there you! Hope you're doing well today! Didja get my e-mail or are you still cleaning the house?
Oh and btw, don't control your emotions, let us know how you really feel! LOL!

So is Israel trying to give Syria a state too? Wow everyone gets a state these days.

re: #14 Opinionated Excellent story and link - thank you.

Y'all realize that if, before the US delegation and Israeli delegation gets to the conference, we have a really target rich environment!

re: #17 storagemanager Held on November 7th? Ya mean we missed the whole thing?! LOL!

I think this warrants some Monty Python...

"Britain's great pre-war joke..."

[Link: www.videosift.com...]

Not from youtube, which isn't working for some reason...

If it doesn't work, here's the script.

[Link: www.jumpstation.ca...]

Lemmesee Now -

Syria believes that Israel is at a weak point and is coming to Annapolis to negotiate a return of the Golan Heights. Pray tell - which nation just dropped a big "CAN of WHOOPASS" on the other's installation? Oh yeah,
it was the weak one - that's right, thanks for reminding me.

-S-

re: #21 realwest

{realwest!}

My house? Clean?!

/bwahahahaha!

I'll go check for that email...

"Remember the one who brings you the invitation is the traitor". I know pa!
I always thought it would be Gates. No Rice was always smarter, it's the smart move. After the conference I'll meet with fatah, hamas, Hezbollah, and all the other heads of the terrorist groups.

Ops--I was dreaming!

re: #16 itellu3times

re: #6 MandyManners

Syria, Israel’s neighbor to the north and a long-time foe, had insisted the meeting also deal with the future of the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights captured in the 1967 Middle East war.

Yeah, well I insist I get a pony for Christmas.

Nice place for a new Six Flags amusement park, see those burqas flying in the wind.

Wouldn't that expose an ankle or two?

This conference is a setup. I hate to say it, but Condi and the President are desperately seeking a legacy moment here. They will gang up on the Israelis to prove that they aren't Arab baby-killers. And the Israelis are being led to their slaughter by Masada-Lite Olmert. Aren't there any MEN left in Western countries?

Will the last Jew out of Israel please close the Aron Kodesh?

re: #18 realwest

I've not checked that account lately. I'll do it today.

re: #25 realwest

re: #17 storagemanager Held on November 7th? Ya mean we missed the whole thing?! LOL!

IRNA makes alot of mistakes...must be the transfer to English.

re: #8 cybermonk

"I predict a disaster in the making."

It gets to one after a while.

I watched the OSLO signing on the White House lawn with feelings of dread.

I watched the Barak withdrawal from Lebanon with feelings of dread.

I saw Barak and Clinton beg Arafat to slice off parts of Israel and Jerusalem with feelings of dread.

Everyone with any common sense was posting about the folly of the Gaza withdrawal.

Every sane person was warning about electing Olmert.

But it seems to be unstoppable.

Now Annapolis and what will follow.

Then the election of 2008 where Republicans are intent of doing the unthinkable- furthering the election of a Hillary or an Obama.

A quickening march into the abyss.

re: #27 Dr. Shalit

Lemmesee Now -

Syria believes that Israel is at a weak point and is coming to Annapolis to negotiate a return of the Golan Heights. Pray tell - which nation just dropped a big "CAN of WHOOPASS" on the other's installation? Oh yeah,
it was the weak one - that's right, thanks for reminding me.

-S-

Their hatred of Israel stems partially from the fact that no matter what they do, Israel continues to kick their collective ass when necessary, no matter how outnumbered they may be.

And I completly buy the story that's circulating that the Syrian box they bombed was a nuke factory as opposed to a reactor. Compared to the Nork facility, the two locations looked nothing alike and the fact that the Syrians buried the remains of the building days later is pretty telling. If it wasn't nukes, it was at the very least something they REALLY didn't want anybody else to know about. It could also have been for chemical weapons.

Either that, or the Syrians were making illegal red fiestaware, but I suspect that's not the case.

re: #35 Opinionated

You can't negotiate peace with an entity whose idea of 'peace' is world domination with them at the helm, because their idea of 'peace' doesn't include you.

Sometimes the threat of a cruise missile suppository is the only way to maintain peace. And I'm saying this as someone who is a pacifist at heart.

re: #31 THX-42

This conference is a setup. I hate to say it, but Condi and the President are desperately seeking a legacy moment here. They will gang up on the Israelis to prove that they aren't Arab baby-killers. And the Israelis are being led to their slaughter by Masada-Lite Olmert. Aren't there any MEN left in Western countries?

I don't believe it's about a legacy for Bush and Rice.

Clinton was seeking a legacy. He didn't care about either the Israelis or the Arabs- just about himself.

Bush and Rice care. Bush and Rice have picked sides. Bush and Rice support the Arab cause. Although I will admit that in their hearts probably neither believe- or maybe care- about the truth- that the fulfillment of the Arab Cause is - in its final conclusion- the end of Israel.

re: #22 SecretInternetDoucheBag

everybody but Israel. They are not allowed to have a state.

#35 opinionated.

Que Faire?

re: #38 Opinionated

re: #31 THX-42

This conference is a setup. I hate to say it, but Condi and the President are desperately seeking a legacy moment here. They will gang up on the Israelis to prove that they aren't Arab baby-killers. And the Israelis are being led to their slaughter by Masada-Lite Olmert. Aren't there any MEN left in Western countries?

I don't believe it's about a legacy for Bush and Rice.

Clinton was seeking a legacy. He didn't care about either the Israelis or the Arabs- just about himself.

Bush and Rice care. Bush and Rice have picked sides. Bush and Rice support the Arab cause. Although I will admit that in their hearts probably neither believe- or maybe care- about the truth- that the fulfillment of the Arab Cause is - in its final conclusion- the end of Israel.

I think it's less of a legacy moment and more of a 'hey, at least we tried' moment.

There may -- just possibly may -- be the Law of Unintended Consequences at work here.

For too long, the Israeli public was just waiting for the day coming before long when Olmert and the slimy Kadimite government will fall of its own rotteness.

The outrage of Annapolis has awakened that too-passive public to the terrible peril of just sitting and waiting for that frabjous day.

Every day here there are more and more public activities, protests, and formation of new political pro-Israel groupings. True, they have not yet had an affect, but at least they are starting. All that is needed to get the national revival rolling is the right leader.

And a lot of those who are no longer expecting Olmert to rot away, and also no longer expecting Netanyahu to wake up out of his Rip Van Winkle mode.

The arousal has been late in coming, but do not despair that it may be too late.

As long as expectations are realistic and Israel has her eyes open, I don't have a problem with pushing unlikely partners into peace talks. The emphasis for Israel should be on establishing the prospects rather than locking themselves into a suicide pact, and assessing and influencing the likelihood of Arab states truly buying into a peace deal for the sake of peace. Right now the likelihood is not great, so it would not be a good idea for Israel or the US to treat that as a given and assume that the Arab position is transparent. Rather, the Arab states need to demonstrate their integrity just as Israel did with hitnatkut in Gaza. A credible breakthrough (absolutely before Israel shakes any hands) would be for those states to recognise Israel unconditionally within any given uncontested boundaries. That must be Israel's bottom line precondition for anything. It says: "These talks are not a cynically opportunist step in a program for the destruction of Israel."

re: #41 NoSpam

Read Glick's column linked from this thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

When a senior IDF general staff officer says-

" "As bad as it might look from the outside, the truth is 10 times worse. This is a nightmare. The Americans have never been so hostile.""

Bush and Rice are not putting on a show. They are hostile to Israel. They support the Arabs in every sense.

re: #44 Opinionated

eep... :(

Irony, since down the line in the course of advancing the ummah, Assad's type of "Islam" (many would argue Alawites aren't Muslims at all, and of course not Sunnis), won't even be tolerated. But for now he serves their purpose.

re: #42 Clio

There may -- just possibly may -- be the Law of Unintended Consequences at work here.

For too long, the Israeli public was just waiting for the day coming before long when Olmert and the slimy Kadimite government will fall of its own rotteness.

The outrage of Annapolis has awakened that too-passive public to the terrible peril of just sitting and waiting for that frabjous day.

Every day here there are more and more public activities, protests, and formation of new political pro-Israel groupings. True, they have not yet had an affect, but at least they are starting. All that is needed to get the national revival rolling is the right leader.

And a lot of those who are no longer expecting Olmert to rot away, and also no longer expecting Netanyahu to wake up out of his Rip Van Winkle mode.

The arousal has been late in coming, but do not despair that it may be too late.

I despair because the choices seem to devolve to two: National suicide or a fight to the finish.
The Olmert government looks more like the Warsaw Judenrat every day. The surrounding arab countries will never accept a Jewish State in their midst. G-d hears all prayer, but the answer is sometimes "NO", or even, "Hell NO,you've been bad". And I have a son on your front line.

Excellent (and scary) analysis by Dore Gold -- here.

Towards Annapolis: Is U.S. Policy Changing on Israel's Rights in a Peace Settlement?

Dore Gold

* After being sworn into office in 2001, the Bush administration informed the Israeli government that the Clinton proposals "were off the table." The Bush Letter of April 14, 2004, received by Israel as a quid pro quo for the Gaza Disengagement, introduced new elements into the Israeli-Palestinian peace process that completely superseded the Clinton proposals.

* Prime Minister Sharon explained the significance of the Bush Letter to the Knesset on April 22, 2004: "There is American recognition that in any permanent status arrangement, there will be no return to the ‘67 borders. This recognition is to be expressed in two ways: understanding that the facts that have been established in the large settlement blocs are such that they do not permit a withdrawal to the ‘67 borders and implementation of the term ‘defensible borders.'"

* There is a serious question about the exact standing of the Bush Letter on the eve of Annapolis. Secretary of State Rice stated on November 13, 2007: "I believe that most Israelis are ready to leave most of the - nearly all of the West Bank, just as they were ready to leave Gaza for the sake of peace." Yet all serious public opinion polls actually show strong Israeli support for retaining strategic areas of the West Bank, like the Jordan Valley.

re: #48 Lynn B.

""I believe that most Israelis are ready to leave most of the - nearly all of the West Bank, just as they were ready to leave Gaza for the sake of peace.""

That she can make such a statement after Hamas took over Gaza and rockets are being fired daily into Israel is proof that Rice's demented world view is divorced from reality.

at least hamas isn't there ...

yet

Charles, you need to put up that "calls for Israel" link again. White House, State Dept/Condi & Israeli embassy phone lines need to be SHUT DOWN with people calling to protest this sham!

re: #47 American Soldier

I did not mean to imply that I have no trepidations about the terrible way things are going. I did say "just possibly may" be a turnabout, not "certainly will be." I also did not mean to give an impression of undue hopes, much less optimism.

But it is true -- though the MSM does not report it -- that Israeli public opinion is overwhelmingly against any surrender political or otherwise.

And there are stronger figures coming onto stage -- such as Moshe Ya'alon and Arieh Eldad.

I still strongly feel that we must not despair.

Those who despair give up the fight, and there is plenty of fight left in us.

And I will indulge in a note of nostalgia (?) for those days early in the present administration when a few of us already posting here were lambasted as heretics because we did not share the then common delusion that George Bush was -- as even the usually astute George Will wrote -- "the most pro-Israel president ever."

Clio, all that's needed to bring down a government--any government--is a general strike. Just stop going to work for a week, and the government will be compelled to leave. Aren't the Israeli people capable of doing at least that?

Mr Palestine

George Bush is the only man who can bring an independent Palestine closer

[Link: www.economist.com...]

re: #53 The Bruce

You are right.

And I really have no explanation of why it has not happened already.

Except, perhaps, the lack of leadership in the soppy opposition parties.

Annapolis can be derailed and Israel can score a PR Coup of worldwide paradigm import through one simple mechanism.

re: #56 Tiburon

Annapolis can be derailed and Israel can score a PR Coup of worldwide paradigm import through one simple mechanism.

Well?! What is it, already?!

/sheesh!

And of course hamas vowed to disrupt the conference with increased rocket attacks against Israel

re: #50 _remembertonyc

But Hamas is very much there in the West Bank, and before they even took Gaza, they publicly said first they would take Gaza, then the West Bank, then after that Jerusalem, then after that to "all our lands," quotes herehere. Anyway, Fatah's as bad as Hamas.

I don't see it becoming a meme though, though it deserves to IMHO.

The Israeli Delegation should present the Claims of the 860,000 Arab Jewish Refugees: - $300 Billion in assets, and land titles from Morocco to Iran comprising an area 3.5X the size of Israel including the Golan and Yesha.

Recently discovered UN Documents confirm what's been long known in great detail: - the direct complicity and conspiracy of the Arab regimes to prevent resettlement and absorption of Arabs displaced during the War of Independance, so the UN delegation to the Conference will be similarly discomfited.

Outcome, should the Israeli delegation have the courage and wisdom for this: -
1) A PR Coup, forever changing the terms of debate, and the beginning of the end of the pali narrative
2) Derailment of Conference - the Arabs will immediately walk out.

As an aside - Benny Alon's Plan is a reasonable and viable stopgap solution - even Labour party members agree.

JIMENA: - Jews Indigent to the Middle East and North Africa

It is incomprehensible to me that the West never seems to learn from the lessons of the past. Specifically, that appeasement and "Lose-Win" compromises (i.e., we'll purposely give up something that you want just to show you our sincerity) with aggressor nations is folly. Diplomats apparently didn't have to take World History classes...or Basic Logic 101 either.

Go Rally AGAINST the Annapolis fire sale in YOUR city!

re: #52 Clio

Not just George Will, but Michael Oren, and others described Bush as possibly the most pro-Israel president. I think one reason I never bought into that is because of my involvement within the Christian community, and being tuned in to which denominations and individuals believes what when it comes to Israel, from a theological point of view. Bush's failure to keep his promise to move the embassy to Jerusalem was a red flag right off the bat, appointment of Karen Hughes another, and of course when he switched from a policy of benign neglect to the 2-state approach, the religion of peace comments, and so much more...it's so obvious.

Hi, I'm Olmert & I flip flop to get elected...

re: #52 ClioPersonally, I'll fight hard until I'm dead. But the despair creeps in, and is extra weight in my ruck. I worry non-stop over the fate of my children and grandchildren.

Wrath-
2nd e-mail sent to you moments ago.

re: #49 Opinionated

re: #48 Lynn B.

""I believe that most Israelis are ready to leave most of the - nearly all of the West Bank, just as they were ready to for the sake of Saudi Arabia and my Oil tick masters.""

That she can make such a statement after Hamas took over Gaza and rockets are being fired daily into Israel is proof that Rice's demented world view is divorced from reality.

re: #63 Orde

Bush's failure to keep his promise to move the embassy to Jerusalem was a red flag right off the bat, appointment of Karen Hughes another, and of course when he switched from a policy of benign neglect to the 2-state approach, the religion of peace comments, and so much more...it's so obvious.

How so on Karen Hughes?

I hate to say this, but as his time in office winds down, it looks to me like Bush's subservience to the Saudis is overriding much of his former support for Israel. Bush has angered his Saudi ... friends? masters? ... by supporting Shiites in Iraq. Now he's trying to make it up to them. Big US arms sales to Saudi and Egypt are unspeakable horrors that haven't got a fraction of the attention they deserve.

Yeah, I know, the putative reason for these sales is the threat of Iran. (to Egypt? bah!). The Saudis are almost as paranoid about Iran as they are about Israel, and of course for much better reason. The thing is, the Saudis have already come to despise Bush and especially Condi, by all appearances, so everything Bush is doing now is completely pointless. I think Bush has completely lost his political and moral bearings now and Condi ... never had any, as it now turns out.

Bush wants to make Arab-Israeli peace, to counter Iran. Bottom line. Thinks it will even pay off for Israel, protect Israel from Iran. That's the secret dialog. Betcha.

re: #65 American Soldier

Sorry it took me so long to respond. I just (this second) sent my response.

What do the PA/PLO want? In their own words last week.

re: #64 WrathofG-d

But curiously, should Olmert make this presentation of the Sephardi Claim at Annapolis- he'd likely avoid jail - the country would forgive his corruption - he'd even get out with a 'legacy'. As you well know, more than 40% of the population have their roots in Arab lands - and $300 Billion...a billion here, there, and pretty soon we're talking about serious money. And 100 THOUSAND SQUARE KILOMETERS OF LAND IN EGYPT, IRAQ, and MOROCCO.

The Arab delegations will walk out immediately - and should they (likely) be careless enough, they'll make statements that will reveal their disconnection and denial of historical reality - in front of the Western Media (who cling to rationality if nothing else).

In that forum, where a 3 minute soundbite is GUARANTEED at minimum, worldwide, to anyone who has anything interesting to say - well, three minutes is enough to lob this bomb on to the Conference Table, in the Opening Address/Statement, and the penny will drop.

Someone could convince me otherwise, but I don't think it would raise the odds of open war, - there'll surely be major seething and whining or course - ...all in all good as I see an entire news cycle on the issue - more of a critical insight for all, into the workings of our Muslim neighbours' societies.

"You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war."

-- Winston Churchill

Go HERE or here and write/call/fax Israeli Gov representatives! Let them know how you feel...don't just type it here @ LGF.

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re: #70 Tiburon

It will never happen...it SHOULD, but it won't.

Olmert is a true believer. He thinks that he is better, smarter, wiser, and just greater than everyone else (as Bush also believes) and he thinks that he is going to solve the Arab-Israeli conflict in 3 days. It is my gut feeling that he actually believes that we are closer to peace than ever before (sure the demands haven't changed and things have gotten "worse" on the PLO side, but why worry about that?)

He will go and offer the Arabs everything they demand. Jerusalem, "right of return", Golan Heights, Ethnic Cleansing of Judea & Samaria of Jews, etc. The Arabs want to go back to 1947 (most likely as step one of the phased plan) (see my link above) and Olmert is going to do everything in his power to make it happen.

Bush is going to force the issue because he thinks that he can pull a Clinton off , and make it work (ie: last minute sell Israel out & get peace to fix his legacy).

Israel's only hope is that it fails completely!

My guess however is that if the Arabs are smart, they will take the deal, wait 5 months after it is finalized, then find a reason then go back attacking Israel. (ie: the Phased Plan) They have nothing to lose. It is like after they were acknowledged in exchange for peace (PLO/PA acknowledged, but no peace), after Oslo when they got control over the disputed territories, when Israel agreed it was their land in exchange for peace, (Arabs got the recognition of it being their land, but no peace was given in response), or Gaza when the Arabs got 100% control over Gaza (ie: end to "occupation") with the result supposed to be peace, or world recognition that it wasn't "occupation" that was the problem. (Hamas/PLO/PA got the land, the infrastructure, etc, Israel got more attacks and Hamas in charge)

The world isn't going to take Israel's side, the MSM isn't going to automatically become Israel's defender (ie: see what Gaza Surrender didn't accomplish) and it isn't going to then give Israel the right to "Finally wipe out the Phakestinians". It never worked before and it isn't going to work now.

Israel has tried everything it is trying now and never got any of the pie-in-the-sky results that people around here think will happen.

It is such a bizarre irony- and tells you all you ever need to know about the Arab/Islamic war on Israel- but it passes for normal in the absurd world Israel inhabits.

Israel to go on high terror alert due to Annapolis peace summit

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

re: #73 WrathofG-d

Tiburon:

but you are right. Israel should get the FACTS out on the table, the truth.

(1) There is no "occupation" just disputed territories. (Look at the UN declarations)

(2) There is no "right of return" for millions of Arabs that NEVER lived in Israel.

(3) The Jews were treated with Neurumberg-like laws in Arab countries and were forced to flea...they deserve a "right-of-return" or compensation too.

(4) The Temple Mount and Jersualem are Jewish holy sights. This will never change.

(5) Hebron is Judaism's 2nd holiest site in the world. This will never change.

(6) They can have portions of Judea and Samaria, but not those that are significantly holy to Jews. (as Jews would never be given Mecca, a once Jewish city)

(7) If we are going to learn how to live together, the first step of peace will NOT be the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Palestine. They will live in Palestine as full citizens, as the Arabs of Israel live. If not...no deal!

(8) This is Israel's final peace gesture with the PLO/PA. If after this deal is done, the PLO/PA do not follow the guidelines set forth (following Road Map, no incitement, no terrorism, recognize Israel as Jewish State, etc.) the next Israeli step will be voluntary transfer out of all disloyal Arabs from Pre-67 Israel, and a full attack with displacement of those living in Judea/Samaria.

(9) Israel is and will always be a JEWISH state!

Sacrificing Israel on the altar of Iraq.

That's the immediate stroy. Getting the Sauds on board with reigning in the Iraqi Sunnis and slowing the flow of fighters into Iraq.

The larger story is the Arab world's demand to very publically have Israel capitulate, to save face in front of, or otherwise distract the arab street, while they begin to accommodate the new and permanent strategic American thrust into the heart of the Arab world.

In line with the USA's Israel policy of using Israeli blood to lubricate its sodomization of machinations in the Arab world.

It is the only lubricant the Arab world would agree to, and without it, it would be more painful for all (except Israel) concerned.

It ain't about legacy for Bush. For the inept and graceless 'Condi', who believes the palestinian's genocidal struggle against the Jews is akin to the Black Civil Rights Struggle, there may be a bit of legacy involved.

But just a bit.

She had an Aramco oil tanker named after her, you know.

Israeli and Palestinian reactions to upcoming peace conference in Annapolis...

Isareli

Palestinian

As for Olmert, what do you call the stud farm's employee who guides the stallion's appendage while the mare is being bred?

A lot of sexual imagery here, and for that I apologize.

What do you expect, though, when discussing a gang rape?

One of the main reasons I voted for Bush is that I believed that he would be a strong supporter of Israel.Little did I know that he would go over to the dark side and become a dhimmi piece of garbage doing the dirty work of his mussie masters.This is even a worse betrayal than Chamberlain preformed at Munich.

The reason that this a worse betrayal is that he has to be aware of the fact that the mussies have not lived up a single agreement of the Oslo accords and view any and all agreements or treaties with infidels as a hudna. In other words a tactical ploy to be discarded,ignored and or broken at their convenience.Anybody with half a brain must know that the ultimate goal of the mussies regarding Israel is the EXTERMINATION of Israel.Because of The blatantly one sided support of the Arab side the Bush administration has become partners in a planned genocide.

The best way for Israel to get through this is for them to dump that corrupt pig and worm Olmert get a leader with a pair that would tell Bush and Rice that Israel has no intention of committing national suicide so that they can suck-up to their mussie masters.

re: #60 Tiburon

You are exactly correct.

That, plus a push to get the UN's one-off definition of what constitutes a 'palestinian refugee' repealed.

By their definition, 40% of Americans might be termed refugees from their countries of ancestral origin.

These "summits" happen every once in a while for folks around the world to feel good about something. No one really expects the Arabs to agree to anything that requires them to start behaving like civilized people. Its just a show to temporarily placate those who bitch and complain and don't understand what's really going on ... yawn..

Michael totten wrote:

"The Syrian state-run propaganda organ Cham Press published a fake story about Lebanese Member of Parliament Walid Jumblatt’s supposed plan to meet Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak in the United States last weekend to coordinate a regime-change in Syria."

Ha, only if it were true.

re: #81 IVAN SIRKO

The best way for Israel to get through this is for them to dump that corrupt pig and worm Olmert get a leader with a pair that would tell Bush and Rice that Israel has no intention of committing national suicide so that they can suck-up to their mussie masters.

It is a difficult situation. It is the USA's veto at the security council that saves Israel from crushings sanctions, and, possibly, blockade.

And spare parts for critical equipment must come from the US. They have been held back before, one time during wartime, till the last possible minute ('73 war).

Israel's tragedy is that it has one strong friend in the world, and that 'friend' is committed to slicing off her limbs, one at a time, in pursuit of another goal.

ISrael needs the US to be a true and just friend. The US feels it cannot. It is just that simple. Countries don;t have friends, just interests, it is said, but I somehow do not see the US ever treating Australia of GB this way.

re: #75 WrathofG-d

ok...thanks for your second post - I think this may be what this all hinges on - Truth. Israel is snookered at Annapolis - I think Maine Michael's imagery is unfortunately appropriate - and for me, my starting point was 'how to get out of it'. And when I came across the A7 article it was to me patently obvious this is the perfect opportunity to pull out this card.

I can see no other outcome should it be tabled than collapse of the Conference - a win/win for Israel. But apart His Help I don't see the Israeli delegation raising the issue.

sorry - the A7 Jewish Refugee article

The Palis should bring a video of the wonderful productive Green-Houses of GAZA. That way it would showcase their administrative ability and financial support potential for their
new country or state.

/uh...never-mind.

Oy vey! What will Olmert select next to offer up in return for nothing, zip, nada, garnicht? By now Israel should be annexing the Golan Hrights instead of offering to give them away.

Annapolis follies Roundup:

Why aren't the Jewish hostages on the agenda?

If Palestinian Sirhan Sirhan's assassination of Bobby Kennedy(D) in 1968 wasn't one of the first, of many, domestic acts of Pali-Arab terrorism, then please explain to me why, when Cleo Allen Noel Jr., the U.S. Ambassador to Sudan, and his charge', George Curtis Moore, were abducted and executed by the PLO in March 1973, the Palestinian terrorists demanded that Sirhan Sirhan be freed?

Here are some Palestinian jokes I got by E-mail:

Good evening gentlemen, and get out, ladies.

On my flight to New York there must have been a Jew in the bathroom the entire time. There was a sign on the door that said "occupied."

How many Palestinians does it take to change a light bulb? None! They sit in the dark forever and blame the Jews for it!

What do you call a first-time offender in Saudi Arabia? Lefty!

Did you hear about the Muslim strip club? It features full facial nudity!

Why are Palestinian boys luckier than American boys? Because every Palestinian boy will get to join a rock group!

A small plane carrying Yassir Arafat and all his top lieutenants crashes and all aboard are killed. Who is saved? The Palestinian people!

What does the sign say above the nursery in a Palestinian maternity ward? "Live ammunition."

A Palestinian girl says to her mommy: "After Abdul blows up, can I have his room?"

Why are they funny? Exactly.

What has always frustred me is that the real refugees were not the Arabs that participated in a failed genocide of the Jew, but the 600,000 Jews that fled before that genocide in the ethnic cleansing of Islamic countries in the 1940s.

Another rhetorical question. Per 'one poll, published by the Ma'ariv newspaper, up to 50% of the Israeli public think Olmert has no mandate to negotiate with the Palestinians because of his unpopularity over last year's war in Lebanon and the alleged corruption scandals that surround him' and per Hamas President Mahmoud Abbas does not have a mandate to negotiate.

So... what is the point?

#91 DANEgerus - This just out, from HIR: -
Understanding Annapolis - What you don't know could cost you (What is the Israeli Government doing)

Understanding Annapolis - The Arab League, then and forever.

There's a comprehensive IMRA poll on the right -

Rum Paul!

Rally Against America Sacrificing Israel to Global Jihadi Juggernaut

Grassroots Rally For Israel in Manhattan

Your brothers and sisters in Israel will be in mortal danger if the proposed giveaways are agreed upon at the Annapolis Summit.

We must strongly object to any division of Jerusalem by the Government of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert & Co.

We must protest the planned expulsion of our 250,000 brethren living in Judea and Samaria – The Biblical Israel, and of inviting thousands of terrorists to live within 10 miles of Israel’s population centers.

And, we must protest the imminent release of another 441 terrorists from Israeli prisons.

Now you have the opportunity to Demonstrate Your Opposition to the Annapolis Summit !

We will meet MONDAY, NOVEMBER 26 AT 12 NOON, OPPOSITE THE ISRAELI CONSULATE IN NEW YORK CITY (SECOND AVENUE BETWEEN 42 & 43 STREET)

FOR MORE INFORMATION PLEASE SEE: [Link: blessingbank.blogspot.com...]

Condi for POTUS!

Long live Israel's hero Sharon and his man-picked heir Olmert! Sharon's great policy finally is bringing Israel a lasting peace.

/carc

The President, Secretary Rice, as well as Israeli PM Olmert and PA chief Abbas are all expected to participate at some point in this conference, and Syria sends a Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister.

Not even their Chief Deputy.

Jeez. Annapolis is likely to be a pointless excercise.

And you can be 100% sure that the State Department, through Condoleeza Rice, can and will do everything possible to make sure that Israel will give up the farm. Then again, with this government, it won't take much pushing on the part of the U.S. to get Olmert et als. to surrender.

BHG

An article by Jeff Jacoby makes an excellent point: The Key to Arab-Israeli Peace is to Compel the Arab World to Abandon Its Dream of Liquidating Israel
[Link: www.aish.com...]

Israel should make this its minimal demand: accepting Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. If the other side will not do this, then they are not offering anything that will contribute to peace, and Israel should refuse to make a single concession. That minimal demand should be non-negotiable. No recognition of Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state? Then no Israeli concessions. Why should Israel play the fool?

re #99

The key to Arab-Israeli peace is to compel the Arab world to abandon its dream of liquidating Israel.

In advance of the upcoming diplomatic conference in Annapolis, Israel Prime Minister Ehud Olmert announced the other day that he expects the Palestinian Authority to finally acknowledge Israel's existence as a Jewish state. A newly arrived visitor from Mars might wonder why this should even be an issue -- after all, Israel *is* a Jewish state. If the more than 55 countries that make up the Organization of the Islamic Conference are entitled to recognition as Muslim states, and if the 22 members of the Arab League are universally accepted as Arab states, why should anyone balk at acknowledging Israel as the world's lone Jewish state?

Yet Olmert's demand was rebuffed. Saeb Erekat, the senior Palestinian Authority negotiator, said on Monday that Palestinians would refuse to recognize Israel's Jewish identity on the grounds that "it is not acceptable for a country to link its national character to a specific religion." According to the Jerusalem Post, Erekat told Radio Palestine: "There is no country in the world where religious and national identities are intertwined."

In fact, there are many countries in which national identity and religion are linked. Argentinian law mandates government support for the Roman Catholic faith. Queen Elizabeth II is the supreme governor of the Church of England. In the Himalayan kingdom of Bhutan, the constitution proclaims Buddhism the nation's "spiritual heritage." The Danish and Norwegian royal families must be members, respectively, of the Church of Denmark and the Church of Norway. "The prevailing religion in Greece," declares Section II of the Greek Constitution, "is that of the Eastern Orthodox Church of Christ."

In no region of the world do countries so routinely link their national character to a specific religion as in the Muslim Middle East. The flag of Saudi Arabia features the shahada -- the Islamic declaration of faith -- in white Arabic script on a green background; on the Iranian flag, the Islamic phrase "Allahu Akbar" ("God is great") appears 22 times. And then there is Erekat's own Palestinian Authority, whose Basic Law provides in Article 4 that "Islam is the official religion in Palestine" and that "the principles of Islamic sharia shall be the main source of legislation."

Clearly, then, Erekat and the Palestinian Authority do not refuse to accept Israel's legitimacy as a Jewish state out of some principled opposition to linking national and religious identity. Perhaps, our visiting Martian might surmise, their objection is simply tactical: Are the Palestinians withholding formal recognition from Israel in order to extract some corresponding recognition for themselves?

But that explanation also doesn't hold water. Olmert has repeatedly endorsed the creation of a sovereign state of Palestine. "We support the establishment of a modern, democratic Palestinian state," he says. "The existence of two nations, one Jewish and one Palestinian, is the full solution to the national aspirations and problems of each of the peoples." Last week he went so far as to suggest that a plan for Palestinian peace and statehood might be achieved "even before the end of President Bush's term in office."

re #99

So why won't the leaders of the Palestinian Authority acknowledge the obvious -- that Israel is the Jewish state? The Jewish connection to Palestine is a matter not just of rich historical fact, but of international law. When the League of Nations entrusted Britain with the Mandate for Palestine in 1922, it expressly recognized "the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine" and the rightfulness of "reconstituting their national home in that country." By that point, Britain had already transferred 80 percent of historic Palestine to Arab rule -- today's Muslim kingdom of Jordan. All that remained for a Jewish state was the residual 20 percent (and even that was later subdivided). But there, at least, it was clear that the Jewish community was "in Palestine as of right and not on sufferance," as Winston Churchill underscored at the time.

Eighty-five years later, that small sliver of the Middle East is home to nearly half the world's Jews. If that isn't a Jewish state, what is?

Yet all this is beside the point. The refusal of the Palestinian Authority, and for that matter most of the Arab world, to acknowledge Israel as a legitimate Jewish state isn't a denial of reality; it is a sign of their determination to undo that reality. Like Arab leaders going back a century, they seek to live not in peace with the Jewish state, but in place of the Jewish state. Olmert can show up at Annapolis bearing Palestinian sovereignty on a silver platter, with half of Jerusalem thrown in for good measure. He will not walk away with peace. On the contrary: He will intensify the Arab determination to replace the world's one Jewish state with a 23rd Arab state.

The key to Arab-Israeli peace is not Palestinian statehood. It is to compel the Arab world to abandon its dream of liquidating Israel. As a matter of national self-respect, Olmert should repeat his demand that the Palestinians acknowledge Israel's Jewish identity -- and make it nonnegotiable. If Israel cannot insist even on so fundamental a point of honor, it has already lost more than it knows.

re #101

The key to Arab-Israeli peace is not Palestinian statehood. It is to compel the Arab world to abandon its dream of liquidating Israel. As a matter of national self-respect, Olmert should repeat his demand that the Palestinians acknowledge Israel's Jewish identity -- and make it nonnegotiable. If Israel cannot insist even on so fundamental a point of honor, it has already lost more than it knows.

-- Jeff Jacoby

This demand "that the Palestinians acknowledge Israel's Jewish identity" is not even a demand for de jure recognition of a Jewish state in the Middle East, but merely calls for de facto recognition of a Jewish state in the Middle East. If the Palestinians refuse to even do this, this very small point of recognizing reality, then Israel should not offer a single concession. Because the real reason for this refusal to give de facto recognition of a Jewish state is to preserve the dream of liquidating Israel as a Jewish state, and to not in the slightest tarnish that dream.

The list of attendees at the "peace" conference:
The guest list includes: United States, Israel, Palestinian Authority, Algeria, Arab League Secretary-General, Bahrain, Brazil, Canada, China, Egypt, European Union Commission, European Union High Representative, European Union President (Portugal), France, Germany, Greece, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Italy, Japan, Jordan, Lebanon, Malaysia, Mauritania, Morocco, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sudan, Sweden, Syria, Quartet Special Envoy Tony Blair, Tunisia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, UN Secretary-General, and Yemen.

American Jews to demand Abbas change Fatah charter

Using language reminiscent of the Hamas charter, Fatah's founding document calls for the "eradication of the Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence," and declares that the group "opposes any political solution" to the conflict.

So if they oppose any political solution to the conflict WTF are they doing there?

Good thing Mauritania and Sudan are coming. We an all use a few pointers on how to train and treat slaves.

Good thing Sweden is on board as well.

The Israeli women can learn a thing or two on how to adapt to institutionalized rape by muslims.

re: #104 mjazzguitar

So if they oppose any political solution to the conflict WTF are they doing there?

Because it's a gang rape of Israel, not a peace conference. It fits in perfectly with the Fatah charter.

re: #103 mjazzguitar

The list of attendees at the "peace" conference:
The guest list includes: United States, Israel, Palestinian Authority, Algeria, Arab League Secretary-General, Bahrain, Brazil, Canada, China, Egypt, European Union Commission, European Union High Representative, European Union President (Portugal), France, Germany, Greece, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Italy, Japan, Jordan, Lebanon, Malaysia, Mauritania, Morocco, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sudan, Sweden, Syria, Quartet Special Envoy Tony Blair, Tunisia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, UN Secretary-General, and Yemen.

How do you choose who's going to be the shirts and who's going to be the skins?

And why are the Klingons not coming? Don't they want to fuck Israel too.

re: #67 itellu3times

"How so on Karen Hughes?"

Sorry for only now getting back to computer and replying, but this jihadwatch link explains a bit of the reason Bush's appointment of Hughes was a huge, flaming red flag.

As for your suspicions about Bush's peace push being motivated by concerns about Iran, I most certainly and strongly agree this is part or most of it, but having a reason for pushing peace, doesn't make it wise, and this is the epitome of perilous diplomacy.

re: #86 Tiburon

Of course the Jewish refugee issue will come up, it's not a secret, then there will be expressions of willingness to compromise on the so-called Palestinian refugee issue, partly because of the Jewish refugee counterclaim, but perhaps also because of some sort of compensation or limited allowance compromise. The refugee issue is just a pawn to offer Israel something to get something: more psychological momentum and more inches of land to launch rockets from for the next phase in their jihad.

Israel's loony left are so committed to this nonsense (the Annapolis conference) that they are talking about pushing for early elections (after the middle of the road and the right of center resign the government due to concessions reached at Annapolis). They are convinced that they would win such an election. After which they intend to use Israel's security force (sort of like the NSA in the US) to stifle opposition to such agreements.

re: #104 mjazzguitar

American Jews to demand Abbas change Fatah charter

Using language reminiscent of the Hamas charter, Fatah's founding document calls for the "eradication of the Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence," and declares that the group "opposes any political solution" to the conflict.

So if they oppose any political solution to the conflict WTF are they doing there?

They choose to go because the political gains that come out of Annapolis are in fact not political "solutions" but strategic territorial gains for their armed "solution." They are invited because at the same time that their writings still *say* they oppose any political solution, at times individuals within Fatah utter words that seem to suggest they will accept a political solution, therefore Condi and the world can pick and choose which pronouncements they want to present to the world--and so they deny reality and choose the unsupported statements that back up the view that Fatah is a moderate, honest broker negotiating partner providing a window of opportunity that must be seized. The hypocrisy on the part not just of Fatah, but of Condoleezza Rice (in reminding us to note that Hamaz, Hezbollah, and Iran are not invited) is in a class of its own. And that this conference will be ending on the historic date of Nov 29 makes me all the more sick, they're just rubbing it in the face of Israel.

Munich in America, by David Horowitz:
[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

All that the Annapolis conference will do is help the terrorists ramp up their terrorism against Israel. Giving those sworn to destroy Israel some territory to help them do so is not going to pacify them; it will whet their appetite for more war and terrorism. David Horowitz explains why the Annapolis conference will lead to more violence on the part of the Palis and their sponsors, and not less.

re #112

It's Munich in America
By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, November 26, 2007

An American Secretary of State should be in Baghdad brokering a reconciliation between Iraqi factions and locking down a victory for which nearly 4,000 Americans gave their lives. Iraq is the central front in the holy war against the West being waged by al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran, and an American defeat in Iraq would lead to an escalation of that war to proportions that would make the current conflict in Iraq seem tame by comparison.

Instead, Condoleeza Rice has been shuttling between capitals in the Middle East in an attempt to feed a piece of Jewish meat to the jackals in the West Bank in the hopes that bribery and concessions will turn them into doves and they will agree to live side by side with a non-Islamic state -- a state run by pigs and monkeys, whom their prophet has cursed.

This will not happen. The Palestinians do not want to live alongside a Jewish state in the Muslim Middle East, they want to destroy it. The majority of Palestinians have voted for a party, Hamas, which is dedicated to the "obliteration" of the Jewish state, as it decleares in its charter. Eighty years ago the Arabs of Palestine were given a state in Jordan, carved out of the Turkish empire. Fifty years ago they were given another state on the West Bank and in Gaza. They rejected the second state because the plan that created it from the land once owned by the Turks also created a Jewish state, half of which was arid desert. This inspired a sixty-year war against the Jews -- men, women and children -- which concessions like the ones Bush and Rice are pressuring Israel to increase only led to further slaughter and new demands.

The Munich Bush and Rice have prepared for Israel in Annapolis will fail ultimately because the Palestinians are terrorists whose only path is violence and whose unwavering goal is genocide -- the destruction of the Jewish state. Seventy percent of Palestinians support suicide bombing and seventy percent support Hamas. The other thirty support the Islamo-fascists of Fatah and their terrorist armies: the al Aqsa Martyrs Bridge, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and Palestine Islamic Jihad.

It's indicative of the bad faith of the Annapolis architects that they have persuaded Syria, the unindicted co-conspirator of the Axis of Evil, the destroyer of Christian and democratic Lebanon, the refuge for Saddam's bloodthirsty lieutenants, to come to the table and parley for a return of the Golan Heights so that they can begin shelling Israeli farmers again.

The Annapolis Munich is a betrayal of Israel, but it is a betrayal of America and its soldiers as well. The armorer of the terrorists in Iraq is Iran; the force behind Hezbollah and Hamas in the Middle East is Iran. The Palestinians are not the cause of the Islamic crusade against the West; they are an integral part of it. Giving them a piece of Israel in East Jerusalem will not satisfy their hunger for conquest. It will only whet their appetite for more.

The New Bush Doctrine, by Melanie Phillips
[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]

re #114 (Melanie Phillips)

Monday, 26th November 2007
The new Bush doctrine
9:02pm

What do you get from America and Israel if you are a rogue state supporting terror against America and Israel; you are in league with Iran in prosecuting a war against the west and the elimination of Israel; you have been helping fuel the terror war against democracy in Iraq; you have been developing in secret a prohibited nuclear weapon with the help of another rogue state from the axis of evil, north Korea; and you have been instrumental in sabotaging democracy in Lebanon where you murdered the Prime Minister? Why, you are invited by America to a ‘peace’ conference, your presence is welcomed by Israel as a diplomatic ‘success’, and you are promised that the return of your territory that remains confiscated because you have never resiled from the intention of using it as you did before to try to eliminate Israel will nevertheless be an item to be discussed.

What do we all learn from this? That murderous extremism will be rewarded by America while moderate states and democracies are betrayed; that terrorism is a passport to the counsels of the so-called civilised world and thus has every incentive to redouble its infernal efforts; and that Israel is now a nation led by lemmings, with the rest of us only a little way behind heading for the edge of the same wretched cliff.