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Threatening Dr. Sanity

Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 8:34:52 am PST

It’s a complete meltdown. Gates of Vienna are threatening Dr. Sanity, and also claiming that Vlaams Belang leader Filip DeWinter should sue me for defamation—“or worse:” Dr. Sanity: MY RESPONSE TO BLACKMAIL THREATS.

Please note that contrary to their claims, “Dymphna” and “Baron Bodissey” were never banned from LGF. In her email to Dr. Sanity, Dymphna is also incorrect about the “SF Chronicle sneaky comment trick” at LGF; she claims it is still operative at LGF, but in truth it was simply a proof of concept, was disabled after one day of testing, and I announced every step with front page posts.

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1 swampscott  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:38:15am

Oh Paleeese! You go Charles!

2 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:38:30am
It was clearly a private conversation and was not meant to be public. But there was nothing said in that conversation that I am ashamed of or embarassed by.

Nor should you be, Doctor! Stand strong!

3 coquimbojoe  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:39:21am

White people should sue DeWinter for defamation. Maybe Charles should sue.... Hell, maybe I will sue....

4 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:41:12am
And now they seem to be set on completely alienating both me and Siggy if we do not fall into line and agree with, as well as apologize....or else.

How sad. But with blackmail, caving in means the bully wins twice. They get you to back down for one, and know they can do it again and again for two. Stand strong, Doctor.

5 WriterMom  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:42:14am

Charles, please note that you are also being accused of maintaining-and not just testing-the sneaky SF Chronicle comment deletion trick.

6 funkyfantom  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:42:24am

Each side gets a mousepad and keyboard, a second, and two posts
at twenty paces.

7 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:42:50am

These folks need to quit while they're behind.

8 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:43:20am

Truth and facts are a defense to defamation. They have no case.

You're right Charles, they are in a meltdown mode over there. I really don't get it.

9 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:44:22am

GTFOH~

10 mayor of imaginationland  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:44:48am

Charles is a tool of the belgians. Thats a new one

11 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:45:18am

I had seen the idea of suing Charles for defamation brought up in the comments sections at GoV a few weeks ago. I never thought they'd take it seriously and get litigious about this. I was wrong.

12 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:45:27am

I am now filing this entire matter under mockery.

13 mean Gene  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:45:52am

Reading comprehension can actually be affected by hatred.
I've seen it before.
Just keep telling the truth, Charles, someday they may read it with a cooler frame of mind.

14 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:46:16am

Now is Dewinter of their discontent!

15 pat  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:46:19am

Dr Sanity is one of my favorites. An intelligent response would have gone over much better than CAIR antics.

16 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:46:31am

Meldown elsewhere too...these people have lost thier minds.

17 pat  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:47:16am

Babba,
Hope this doesn't Rune their day.

18 29Victor  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:47:32am

OT and probably reported elsewhere, but realclearpolitics.com has Obama ahead of Hillary by .4 in Iowa.

19 BenZacharia  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:47:37am

VB & GoV-"Making White Europe safe, one cause & one race at time. Hail Wotan!."

DD & AS-"Hmm, sounds like a good moto."

20 ParanoidPyro  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:47:40am

I have done my best to stay out of this entire situation (my first comment here on the GOV vs. LGF over VB issue), but this is ridiculous. Threatening people? Really? Telling someone in Europe to sue an American over a blog?

Desperation is not a pretty color on anyone, and the hint of it always makes your side of an argument seem weak. Just my two cents

/Contacting a lawyer just in case...

21 Spiny Norman  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:47:40am

re: #5 WriterMom

Charles, please note that you are also being accused of maintaining-and not just testing-the sneaky SF Chronicle comment deletion trick.

That would be easy enough for them to prove, if it were true.

But they won't, because it's not.

How is it "defamation" to accuse someone of being a "White Power!" racist when they demonstrate themselves to be so in full view of the public?

22 cookielady  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:47:43am

Already wwaaaaayyy sick of the blog wars. Those who are attacking are anti-truth when it is irritating or embarassing.

Truth is. Facts are. Reality is reality.

Deal with it.

buncha dopes...

23 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:47:46am

"dymphna" says:

Ironically, they hold the same political principles you do: smaller government,lower taxes, local rule, and a requirement for assimilation for immigrants so that they learn the language and the culture of their new country and become citizens.

Somehow, "dymphna", I don't think the Doctor believes in a "white America".

24 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:48:00am

I really should preview.

25 insanity police  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:48:08am

I get it. Vienna is not the country, its an insane asylum. Close the gates, and keep the inmates inside.

26 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:48:27am

Babbazee,

Now is Dewinter of their discontent!

(Groans) Get out.

27 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:48:32am
This is who Charles Johnson is attacking. It’s shameful. If Dewinter cared, he would be within his rights to sue Charles for defamation...at the very least.


At the very least? What stronger action would be within his rights? That's a very spooky statement.

28 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:48:52am
WHAT THE FUCK?!
29 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:48:54am

ooga chakka chakka chakka ooga chakka chakka chakka

it's all about feelings
And Swedes singing phonetically!

30 Venezuela lover  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:49:43am

Send them to D.C. We have over 115 pages of attorneys listed in the phone book. They are all looking for targets to sue. It's a secret defense strategy to protect against dangers to the American way of life.

Charles, count on me to chip in if you need a legal defense fund.

31 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:49:59am

re: #17 pat

lol
They can sue me...
I have exactly $3.98, four Romanian stamps, a peso and two old subway tokens.

32 BenZacharia  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:50:10am

re: #25 insanity police

I get it. Vienna is not the country, its an insane asylum. Close the gates, and keep the inmates inside.

Quite. 70-80% of SS officers were Austrians, as well as a certain corporal.

33 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:50:31am

re: #26 Dirk Diggler

NO!
lol

34 mayor of imaginationland  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:50:35am

re: #31 BabbaZee

I call subway tokens

35 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:50:51am

I get it. They've been exposed. First, they tried to hide it - deny it - and now they are just nuttin up cause they know there's nothing they can do since CJ's light has shinned upon them.

36 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:51:16am

wow
There are some really nasty sentences in those emails.

These guys have really lost their minds.
I wonder HOW BIG was the plan, how deep.

37 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:51:30am

re: #34 mayor of imaginationland

you got 'em lol

38 kulthur  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:51:48am

Defamation? That requires that what you said/published was untrue. I'd love to watch the post-discovery client-lawyer conference in which the plaintiff's lawyer advises, "Um... well you are in bed with what could reasonably be construed as fascist, white power groups. I'm not sure that I can continue this case and avoid sanctions for bringing a suit without merit, folks. And besides - why the hell are you associating with these people anyway?"

39 Peacekeeper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:51:49am

BIG JOHNSON IS RIPPING US OFF!

40 mayor of imaginationland  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:51:50am

re: #35 Owl

The question remains, is it nuttin up or just a display of their true colors?

41 BenZacharia  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:52:10am

re: #31 BabbaZee

re: #17 pat

lol
They can sue me...
I have exactly $3.98, four Romanian stamps, a peso and two old subway tokens.

Rich bitch. Can I bum a quarter? Make that the peso, Mexican lint is worth more than US lint.

42 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:52:13am
Do you realize how Charles endangered Bat Y’eor by permitting her real name to be revealed on his site? The New York Times beat him to it, but that’s the company he keeps.


Charles is a tool of CAIR and NYT!

43 Iron Fist  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:52:35am

As I have said before, I think it is very telling that they would throw away established friendships and alliances in the name of dubious new ones.

44 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:53:19am
I also spoke to Siggy about Dymphna's emotional state during the podcast. I believe I said that her voice "quivered" --with anger or outrage or some other intense emotion. I wondered if she was afraid of something.

I remember this part of the conversation, and I'd have to say yes- she' afraid. She's afraid that everything her and "baron" worked for is going to be lost. And it's a well founded fear, because they screwed up. They are not able to withstand the truth. Instead, they continue clinging to their meme- which only propagates the insanity, fear and loss of influence I'm sure they're beginning to feel. They've made quite a hole for themselves, and I think panic might be setting in as they're realize just how deep they've dug themselves.

45 Spiny Norman  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:53:36am

re: #27 Killgore Trout

This is who Charles Johnson is attacking. It’s shameful. If Dewinter cared, he would be within his rights to sue Charles for defamation...at the very least.
At the very least? What stronger action would be within his rights? That's a very spooky statement.

Funny thing is, David Irving's supporters urged him to sue Deborah Lipstadt, so he did... and lost in humiliating fashion.

Dewinter would be a colossal fool if he went that route.

46 loppyd  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:54:00am

The lady doth protest too much....

47 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:54:13am
Andrew Bostom is disgusted. He was the one who sent me the hat tip on the American Thinker essay suggesting that Charles had been taken in by Belgian intel psyops. He probably was: he had information up and ready to go instantly. Charles was prepped and prepared.

....and Belgian psyops!

48 mayor of imaginationland  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:54:24am

re: #44 Sharmuta

Mein Fuhrer, zey have found us! To the cyanide!

49 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:54:44am

re: #40 mayor of imaginationland

re: #35 Owl

The question remains, is it nuttin up or just a display of their true colors?


From readin' up on 'em, I thought nuttin' up WAS their true colors. :)

50 Peacekeeper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:54:50am

It's not goodbye. Heil be seeing you in all the familiar places...

51 Spiny Norman  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:54:51am

re: #26 Dirk Diggler

Babbazee,
Now is Dewinter of their discontent!
(Groans) Get out.

Hey! Charles himself used that as a headline.

=^D

52 loppyd  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:55:29am

...

53 mayor of imaginationland  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:55:30am

re: #49 Owl

You do have a point.

54 loppyd  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:56:14am

re: #52 loppyd

Sorry about that.

Phone rang.

55 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:56:16am
I was wrong. Apparently it is not possible to be a friend to Dymphna if you disagree with her.
56 insanity police  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:56:16am

re: #32 BenZacharia

That does explain a lot.

57 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:56:26am
58 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:56:38am

re: #31 BabbaZee

re: #17 pat

lol
They can sue me...
I have exactly $3.98, four Romanian stamps, a peso and two old subway tokens.

I'll take the $3.98. :-D

They can have my debt, if they want to sue.

59 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:56:39am

This is just way too out of hand...

Any threats like that are just way too much...

60 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:56:53am

yeah! me! ;)


OT - hey norman, i've often wondered - why are you "spiney" ?

61 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:57:05am

re: #44 Sharmuta

They've made quite a hole for themselves, and I think panic might be setting in as they're realize just how deep they've dug themselves.


I agree. They've been panicked for a few weeks now. It only seems to be getting worse.

62 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:57:07am

re: #50 Peacekeeper

lol

63 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:57:08am

re: #31 BabbaZee

re: #17 pat

lol
They can sue me...
I have exactly $3.98, four Romanian stamps, a peso and two old subway tokens.

Have you fully disclosed this to the IRS?

Hillary says you have too much, and she wants it now.

64 coquimbojoe  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:57:10am

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

These folks need to quit while they're behind.

Zactly. I have stopped reading them because when you associate with Nazi's everything you do becomes tainted. I would hate to bring up a point and have someone say "didn't that come from someone who sides with Naxis". Apologies to BabbZee, but Nazis ruin everything.

(Loved the Movie Babba)

65 Spiny Norman  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:57:19am

re: #47 Killgore Trout

Andrew Bostom is disgusted. He was the one who sent me the hat tip on the American Thinker essay suggesting that Charles had been taken in by Belgian intel psyops. He probably was: he had information up and ready to go instantly. Charles was prepped and prepared.
....and Belgian psyops!

Of course, we ALL know who's REALLY behind this...

66 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:57:44am

I am sorry but I have to post this from the crazy emails:

Charles had been taken in by Belgian intel psyops. He probably was: he had information up and ready to go instantly. Charles was prepped and prepared

This is a heck of a thing to WRITE.

Talk about libel...

67 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:57:48am

re: #55 storagemanager

I was wrong. Apparently it is not possible to be a friend to Dymphna if you disagree with her.

there's lots of that going around.

68 Peacekeeper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:57:50am
69 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:58:17am

re: #64 coquimbojoe

thanks

70 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:58:24am

loppyd,

...

An incredibly profound observation, lopps.

71 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:58:32am

re: #67 BabbaZee

re: #55 storagemanager

I was wrong. Apparently it is not possible to be a friend to Dymphna if you disagree with her.

there's lots of that going around.

yup

72 mayor of imaginationland  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:58:47am

re: #65 Spiny Norman

re: #47 Killgore Trout


Andrew Bostom is disgusted. He was the one who sent me the hat tip on the American Thinker essay suggesting that Charles had been taken in by Belgian intel psyops. He probably was: he had information up and ready to go instantly. Charles was prepped and prepared.
....and Belgian psyops!

Of course, we ALL know who's REALLY behind this...

KARL ROVE and the Bushitler Cabal!
(goes off in corner mumbling about beans)

73 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:59:07am
Robert Spencer is carefully silent about all this because...well, because he hasgood reason to be careful. We all have to make a living.

He made his case.

74 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:59:12am

re: #63 mama winger

Hiya mama, how's it hangin'?

75 Peacekeeper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:59:19am

Babba! Always Sig Heiling right in Der Fuhrer's Face.

76 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:59:20am

re: #61 Killgore Trout

I read at gov how despite the LGF hate threads being full of comments, their traffic has not increased significantly. That's very telling if you ask me. They are panicked- they're feeling the blowback.

77 loppyd  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:59:44am

re: #70 Dirk Diggler

loppyd,

...

An incredibly profound observation, lopps.

Hey! I resemble that remark. See my #54.

78 justnobody  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:59:48am

Do they really think the Jewish-Freemasonic European courts will rule in favor of Dewinter?

/

79 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 8:59:52am

re: #44 Sharmuta

I also spoke to Siggy about Dymphna's emotional state during the podcast. I believe I said that her voice "quivered" --with anger or outrage or some other intense emotion. I wondered if she was afraid of something.

I remember this part of the conversation, and I'd have to say yes- she' afraid. She's afraid that everything her and "baron" worked for is going to be lost. And it's a well founded fear, because they screwed up. They are not able to withstand the truth. Instead, they continue clinging to their meme- which only propagates the insanity, fear and loss of influence I'm sure they're beginning to feel. They've made quite a hole for themselves, and I think panic might be setting in as they're realize just how deep they've dug themselves.

They've dug in really deep. Any deeper, and I'm afraid Dymphna and the Baron will have themselves a new volcano in their backyard as they will have entered the mantle.

80 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:00:29am

I think maybe they are worried that we'll post all that other stuff we have on them. You know, the stuff we know that we're holding; locked away in the Lizard Archives Room. I thought I saw Atlas walkin' outta there the other day with something stuffed in her socks, but then, turns out it was just Berger in drag.


...and it was toilet paper.


oh well.

/wink wink

81 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:00:44am

re: #79 Honorary Yooper

Next stop- China.

82 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:01:08am

re: #76 Sharmuta

re: #61 Killgore Trout

I read at gov how despite the LGF hate threads being full of comments, their traffic has not increased significantly. That's very telling if you ask me. They are panicked- they're feeling the blowback.

And they have the nerve to call us an echo chamber.

83 insanity police  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:01:20am

O/T
Disgraced Former Professor Ward Churchill Attempts to Connect Nazism, Zionism In Visit To UC Davis

Ward also laughs when someone blamed Bush and Cheney for 9/11

84 Spiny Norman  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:01:27am

re: #60 Owl

yeah! me! ;)

OT - hey norman, i've often wondered - why are you "spiney" ?

Cool! I get to post this link again: The Piranha Brothers, Part 2.

(Part 1.)

85 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:01:33am
Charles has dropped some of his allegations and has been forced by our insistence to retract online his comments accusing us — CVF — of attempting to mount a DOS attack on him (a denial of service). CVF did no such thing.


Did Charles ever accuse them of this? If he did I missed it. A blog as small as GoV could never pull off a DOS attack big enough to bring down even a small blog much less LGF.

86 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:01:48am

re: #75 Peacekeeper

Ya VOL!

Hooplewanky Von Gruppenrippershtwakken
reporting for duty~

87 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:01:48am

So, you're saying that these people have a problem with Sanity? Go figure. Will they be fighting with Dr. Reality next?

88 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:01:52am

loppyd,

Hey! I resemble that remark. See my #54.

I was just kidding.

89 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:01:58am

re: #82 Honorary Yooper

And they have the nerve to call us an echo chamber! ;)

90 TalkinKamel  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:02:05am

Good grief, they certainly are hauling the old water buckets for DeWinter, aren't they? I really am beginning to wonder if Dymphna's contempt for Hirsi Ali might have been based on matters other than her atheism. . . certainly GoV didn't want to give Hirsi a second chance, or admit that she held some of the same beliefs that they did or even the time of day!

91 pat  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:02:12am

At least one Euro Blog has taken a different tack in spite of many entreaties to get involved.
Islam In Europe remains basically uninvolved in the debate and continues to do excellent reporting. Here is a summation of a Norwegian Lawyer's arguement to the government that Muslims who engage in Honoe killing, and presumably Jihad, be given lighter sentences because such is part of their culture. Jaw dropping. The arrogant ass ignores the effect on women in his attempt to prove that he is a superior being.
[Link: islamineurope.blogspot.com...]

92 Lateral  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:02:16am

Wow. I guess its time to remove the bookmark for GOV. Sounds like they are in fact hatemongers.
Dymphna sounds like she needs to get out and take a vacation from the blogging, or get some new meds.
The race and/or religion cards make me go from caring, to want you 'to go jump off a pier' so fast, and are so often used as trump (becasuse they have nothing else) by islamists and leftists. GOV has joined them in my opinion.

93 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:02:35am

If I had (and I had NOT) any doubt about all this being a GIANT provocation, now it's absolutely clear that it was indeed an attempt to destroy everything that Charles has built in so many years of hard work.

Their rage speaks volumes...

94 Ma Sands  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:02:38am

re: #74 BabbaZee

re: #63 mama winger

Hiya mama, how's it hangin'?


Am I correct in thinking that mama now also has a sock puppet? :)

95 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:02:38am

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Charles has dropped some of his allegations and has been forced by our insistence to retract online his comments accusing us — CVF — of attempting to mount a DOS attack on him (a denial of service). CVF did no such thing.

Did Charles ever accuse them of this? If he did I missed it. A blog as small as GoV could never pull off a DOS attack big enough to bring down even a small blog much less LGF.

Oh for f*ck's sake, they use Blogger, not even their own freaking server, unlike Charles.

96 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:02:42am

Belgian intel psyops

OMG. Bwaahahahahahaa.....


these must be the same folks that post on TB2k.

unreal. and stupid.

97 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:02:44am

re: #87 JamesTKirk

So, you're saying that these people have a problem with Sanity? Go figure. Will they be fighting with Dr. Reality next?

LMAO!

98 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:03:08am

re: #87 JamesTKirk

lol

99 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:03:12am
You see, I have nothing left to lose here. You have made me look bad — “scared,” “angry”, “protesting too much”, etc. But if it goes public, then I will at least have company — to wit, you and Siggy. Your lack of due diligence will be apparent from the first moment off the unofficial podcast , when you ask “is Vlaams Belang a person?” It goes downhill from there

Pride...this is about pride...and nothing to do...with fighting jihad.

100 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:03:16am

re: #84 Spiny Norman

"Dinsdale..."

101 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:04:07am

re: #94 Ma Sands

huh?

No that would not be correct.

102 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:04:07am

Mlada Fronta Dnes – neo-Nazis infiltrating Czech Armed Forces

Remember all the fuss a few weeks ago when a neo-Nazi group tried to march through the Jewish quarter on the anniversary of Kristallnacht? That march was prevented, but led to much discussion about the size and seriousness of the neo-Nazi threat in the Czech Republic. Now a leading Czech newspaper has claimed that neo-Nazis have managed to infiltrate the Czech Armed Forces, and has the evidence to prove it.

103 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:04:17am

re: #95 Honorary Yooper

It wasn't gov it was cvf- and there was a few comments made about it.

104 Charles  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:04:28am

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Do you realize how Charles endangered Bat Y’eor by permitting her real name to be revealed on his site? The New York Times beat him to it, but that’s the company he keeps.

Charles is a tool of CAIR and NYT!

This is such crap. I "endangered" Bat Ye'or now, by trying to publicize an article about her in the New York Times? These people have become self-mocking jokes.

By the way, I was contacted by an associate of Ye'or after that NYT article appeared at LGF, and I offered to delete my post. I was told it didn't matter because it had already appeared in the New York Times. But now, after all this time, it pops up here as another smear attack on me, in a private email to another blogger. Dymphna also lied about other things in her email.

There's a deliberate, dishonest campaign of character assassination going on.

105 insanity police  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:04:37am

re: #83 insanity police

O/T
Disgraced Former Professor Ward Churchill Attempts to Connect Nazism, Zionism In Visit To UC Davis

Ward also laughs when someone blamed Bush and Cheney for 9/11

Correction: He didn't laugh, he "smiled and shrugged." Not much better.

106 so.cal.swede  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:04:43am

Ignore them, Charles... Don't get sucked into their drama.

107 loppyd  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:04:46am

re: #88 Dirk Diggler

loppyd,

Hey! I resemble that remark. See my #54.

I was just kidding.

So was I!

Off to get food to stop spastic posting.

108 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:04:53am

re: #96 Owl

Belgian intel psyops

We are getting a SECOND monthly check ! YAY !

/it took time to understand the shekel thing, now I will have to study the Belgian currency...

109 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:05:09am
Let me reiterate what I said earlier. I have no intention of deleting the podcast, despite the fact that my side of a private conversation was also recorded. I am not ashamed of or embarrassed by any of the opinions I expressed after the podcast. I'm sorry Dymphna's feelings were hurt, but if she can't stand someone disagreeing with her, or suggesting that she felt "'scared', 'angy' or 'protesting too much'" -- then maybe she shouldn't be blogging.

I can't help thinking that for someone who "hates" to be a victim, she's playing it for all its worth.

Lot of that going around...on at least three blogs.

110 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:05:16am

re: #84 Spiny Norman


I'll watch when i get home. thanks! :)

111 Spiny Norman  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:05:25am

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Charles has dropped some of his allegations and has been forced by our insistence to retract online his comments accusing us — CVF — of attempting to mount a DOS attack on him (a denial of service). CVF did no such thing.
Did Charles ever accuse them of this? If he did I missed it. A blog as small as GoV could never pull off a DOS attack big enough to bring down even a small blog much less LGF.

Of course, they posted a link to that, right?

Right?

112 BenZacharia  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:05:34am

re: #102 NJDhockeyfan

Same thang happening here, throw in the gang bangers too. reduced enlistment standards.

113 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:05:48am

re: #93 Poitiers-Lepanto

it was indeed an attempt to destroy everything that Charles has built in so many years of hard work.

And it blew up in their faces- that explains the rage as well as the fear.

114 Charles  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:05:56am

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Charles has dropped some of his allegations and has been forced by our insistence to retract online his comments accusing us — CVF — of attempting to mount a DOS attack on him (a denial of service). CVF did no such thing.

Did Charles ever accuse them of this? If he did I missed it. A blog as small as GoV could never pull off a DOS attack big enough to bring down even a small blog much less LGF.

I never accused them of "mounting a DOS attack," either. I reported that a bot from vigilantfreedom.org was hitting our site a lot, and it was completely true. I never used the words "DOS attack."

115 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:06:41am

re: #108 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #96 Owl
Belgian intel psyops

We are getting a SECOND monthly check ! YAY !

/it took time to understand the shekel thing, now I will have to study the Belgian currency...

I forget - do they use Euros? Because I really don't want to paid in Euros.

(The conversion rate from Euros to Latinum is horrible.)

116 pat  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:06:51am

Mama Winger and others a great roundup of Hillary Moonbat quotes. Including the one where she will raise taxes for the greater good.
[Link: deathby1000papercuts.blogspot.com...]

117 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:06:55am

re: #104 Charles

Ain't the first time this happened to you and it wont be the last.

As always, their tongues will dig their own graves.

118 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:07:12am

Ok.
It's after 9am, it's gonna rain, and I don't feel like doin' diddly, so...
Here's to startin' up the FNDT.
Drink idiotic!

119 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:07:46am

re: #108 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #96 Owl


Belgian intel psyops

We are getting a SECOND monthly check ! YAY !

/it took time to understand the shekel thing, now I will have to study the Belgian currency...


I can't get too excited about it..........the government gets half of everything i make. (almost...)

120 bp sf  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:07:49am

OT:

Roger Smith just croaked.

Who? He propelled the fat fvck to a career with "Roger & Me".

They can both rot.

121 Cognito  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:07:50am

Seems to me we've moved beyond any actual issue, now, and have tumbled into a tempest-stirred bloggy teapot.

As Lawrence told Ali, "so long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people, greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as you are."

122 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:07:51am

re: #104 Charles


There's a deliberate, dishonest campaign of character assassination going on.

Of course...the good guys are the ones who take flowers to the tombs of the VOLUNTEER SS...

/in the upside down world...

123 mayor of imaginationland  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:08:03am

re: #114 Charles

It would seem that them knowing exactly what sort of attack they mounted, however futilely, when you did not discuss it kind of incriminates them

124 Ma Sands  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:08:16am

re: #101 BabbaZee

Okay......maybe I mis-read.....thanks.

125 BenZacharia  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:08:30am

re: #118 Capitalist Tool

Might as well, can't work today, 'sitting' the wifffeee.

126 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:08:38am

re: #114 Charles

I never accused them of "mounting a DOS attack," either. I reported that a bot from vigilantfreedom.org was hitting our site a lot, and it was completely true. I never used the words "DOS attack."

That's how I remember it as well. As someone else said, they're far too small to mount a serious DOS attack anyway; it takes a Fark.com link to knock the hamsters off of their wheels...

127 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:08:39am
I find it sad that people who I liked and respected seem to be on a campaign to deliberately sabotage relationships with friends and allies.

I wonder what other friends they will attack next?

You just never know.

128 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:08:51am

re: #124 Ma Sands

Okeedokee then

129 Spiny Norman  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:09:11am

re: #110 Owl

re: #84 Spiny Norman

I'll watch when i get home. thanks! :)

The source of the nickname is in Part 2, but it'll make more sense if you watch Part 1 first.

;^)

130 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:09:13am

re: #104 Charles

Charles, Dymphna's gonna keep up this smear campaign until this happens:

1. She gets tired of it (which I doubt)
2. Someone finally reins her in (again, I don't see that happening in the GoV echo chamber)
3. She loses her Blogger account (which I hope not, unless the attacks become too virlent)

So, she's going to keep up this smear campaign as long as she can, and I see little end to it. Anyone who gets in her way will also be fodder for her smear campaign, as Dr. Sanity just found out.

131 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:09:16am

re: #115 JamesTKirk

re: #108 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #96 Owl

Belgian intel psyops

We are getting a SECOND monthly check ! YAY !

/it took time to understand the shekel thing, now I will have to study the Belgian currency...

I forget - do they use Euros? Because I really don't want to paid in Euros.

(The conversion rate from Euros to Latinum is horrible.)

EUROS are good !

/chavez says so...

132 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:10:06am

re: #113 Sharmuta

re: #93 Poitiers-Lepanto

it was indeed an attempt to destroy everything that Charles has built in so many years of hard work.

And it blew up in their faces- that explains the rage as well as the fear.

I think that this is exactly what is happening.

133 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:10:07am

Charles I would really love to read some of the death threats or hate mail you recieve. Is there anyway you could post a thread or link of some of the more vile/idiotic ones that you get?

134 Muadib  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:10:16am

re: #62 BabbaZee

re: #50 Peacekeeper

lol

A perfectly fitting theme song for this insanity!

135 BenZacharia  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:11:01am

re: #133 SecretInternetDoucheBag

First things first. A page of blocked users.

136 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:11:08am

re: #114 Charles

re: #85 Killgore Trout


Charles has dropped some of his allegations and has been forced by our insistence to retract online his comments accusing us — CVF — of attempting to mount a DOS attack on him (a denial of service). CVF did no such thing.

Did Charles ever accuse them of this? If he did I missed it. A blog as small as GoV could never pull off a DOS attack big enough to bring down even a small blog much less LGF.

I never accused them of "mounting a DOS attack," either. I reported that a bot from vigilantfreedom.org was hitting our site a lot, and it was completely true. I never used the words "DOS attack."

I can't believe how liberal they all sound( in a bad way).....

I've had discussions with liberals online and in person for more than two decades now( yea, i started early) and the tactic of getting someone to argue over WHAT they said, so you don't have to argue about the actual issue is something I''ve faced over and over again. And it's especially annoying when it's online and you spend your time UN-twisting your words, only to find that once they've twisted them, it's uber-hard to get back to arguing/discussing the actual topic you were there to discuss.

play # 345 democratic handbook. 1982

137 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:11:53am

re: #120 bp sf

OT:

Roger Smith just croaked.

Who? He propelled the fat fvck to a career with "Roger & Me".

They can both rot.

Here's a quick link to the Free Press story.

138 BenZacharia  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:11:55am

TTFN™, dooty calls

139 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:12:05am

re: #131 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #115 JamesTKirk
...I really don't want to paid in Euros. (The conversion rate from Euros to Latinum is horrible.)

EUROS are good!

/chavez says so...

So does Iran.

It's just a [colorful metaphor] good thing that when we switched from petrol to dilithium, that the crystals weren't also found primarily in the territory of savages and fascists.

140 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:12:32am

re: #104 Charles

Dymphna also lied about other things in her email.

Honestly, Charles, I'm not sure it amounts to 'lies'. I think the woman is unhinged. When I saw their initial complaint about Infidel Bloggers Alliance, my jaw just dropped.

(For those of you who missed it, Baron and Dymphna cross-posted sometimes on IBA. They felt slighted that one of their posts was not immediately posted at the top of the page. They accused IBA of 'changing procedures w/o informing' or deliberately insulting them. )

They manner in which they have perpetuated this is also ver disturbing. The thread yesterday about the 'Fascist Salute' made me feel as tho I was looking at the intro to a Lovecraft horror novel.

141 Eowyn2  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:13:26am

re: #32 BenZacharia

re: #25 insanity police


I get it. Vienna is not the country, its an insane asylum. Close the gates, and keep the inmates inside.

Quite. 70-80% of SS officers were Austrians, as well as a certain corporal.

there were also austrians who bugged out of austria at that time. The sound of music was based on a true story prior to 'this has been overly dramatized in our effort to get you to believe that black is white and white is blue'

142 LANMaster  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:13:45am

LOL
When they start ignoring you, Charles, that's when you need to worry that something is askew.

We're right behind you, Charles.

143 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:13:59am

re: #101 BabbaZee

re: #94 Ma Sands

huh?

No that would not be correct.

YES! I do have a sock puppet! :)

Last night during open reg I played the role of

PeaceDuckSoup.

/ I love groucho. And hate the giant Duck of Peace :)

144 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:14:12am

OT:
The Middle East Muddle. Israel is surrounded by wolves, and Olmert is wholly intent upon feeding 'em red meat.

145 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:14:29am

re: #132 Poitiers-Lepanto

They bought into their own propaganda so much, they are now panicked looking at the bill. It's easier to blame Charles for the bill than take responsibility for it themselves- so that's what we're seeing.

You know you're over the target when you start receiving flack. Way to hit the target, Charles.

146 J.S.  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:14:43am

In a word -- bizarre. Contradictory. What I don't understand is this -- Dymphna doesn't like the podcast's last 23 minutes or so, so she wants it to be removed/deleted. Next she claims that if it's not deleted, she'll get a transcript of it and make it public...Oooh, the horror...(as I laugh). Maybe she's actually anxious for publicity? -- just wants more "notice"...(?) If she really wants "privacy" -- this ain't the way to go about it. just sayin'

147 so.cal.swede  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:14:57am

bah.. oddcast has removed the thing where you can create a talking character... i wanted to make one saying "congratulations on a job well done. the checks from the israeli government and the belgian psyops departement are in the mail. all hail xenu"

148 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:15:10am

re: #140 wahabicorridor

re: #104 Charles


Dymphna also lied about other things in her email.

Honestly, Charles, I'm not sure it amounts to 'lies'. I think the woman is unhinged. When I saw their initial complaint about Infidel Bloggers Alliance, my jaw just dropped.

(For those of you who missed it, Baron and Dymphna cross-posted sometimes on IBA. They felt slighted that one of their posts was not immediately posted at the top of the page. They accused IBA of 'changing procedures w/o informing' or deliberately insulting them. )

They manner in which they have perpetuated this is also ver disturbing. The thread yesterday about the 'Fascist Salute' made me feel as tho I was looking at the intro to a Lovecraft horror novel.


That one disturbed me also.

149 yavanna  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:15:25am

That Dymphna really needs to give up the coffee or whatever the heck it is she is doing...

andre: #66 Poitiers-Lepanto

I am sorry but I have to post this from the crazy emails:

Charles had been taken in by Belgian intel psyops. He probably was: he had information up and ready to go instantly. Charles was prepped and prepared

This is a heck of a thing to WRITE.

Talk about libel...

Libel yes, but considering the source I think just passing out complimentary tin foil hats to them will make them go away happy!

~yav~

150 Jimmy The Clam  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:15:58am

Holy CRAP Charles!
These people are nuts.

I now announce that I stand corrected in originally believing that your position was fueled by more emotion than fact.
I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and you were not; yours seems to have been the correct call.

151 coquimbojoe  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:16:46am

re: #104 Charles

I had heard of Bat Y'eor BEFORE you posted that linky thing, amazingly enough.

It seems as though people who are willing to associate with Nazis are willing do do or say anything. What ever they through at you, it seems a proper response could be "...but then again, you side with Nazis".

152 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:16:51am

OT:
ILLINOIS MAN PLEADS GUILTY IN FOILED PLAN TO SET OFF GRENADES IN SHOPPING MALL

CHICAGO – A Rockford, Il., man, admitted today in Federal Court that he planned to set off several grenades in garbage cans at a shopping mall in Rockford last December. The defendant, Derrick Shareef, 23, pleaded guilty to one count of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction. Shareef was arrested on Dec. 6, 2006, by agents of the FBI-led Chicago Joint Terrorism Task Force ( JTTF ) when he met with an undercover agent at a store parking lot in Rockford to trade a set of stereo speakers for four hand grenades and a hand gun. He has remained in federal custody since he was arrested. Shareef was scheduled to stand trial beginning December 10, 2007.

153 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:17:08am

re: #114 Charles

I never accused them of "mounting a DOS attack," either. I reported that a bot from vigilantfreedom.org was hitting our site a lot, and it was completely true. I never used the words "DOS attack."


Ah, I remember the bot discussion too. I never interpreted it as a dos attack, nor was it ever mentioned. It makes her statement even more dishonest....

Charles has dropped some of his allegations and has been forced by our insistence to retract online his comments accusing us — CVF — of attempting to mount a DOS attack on him (a denial of service). CVF did no such thing.


You never made the allegation so I also assume you were never "forced" to retract it by their insistence to retract it.
They've really lost their marbles.

154 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:17:18am

re: #150 Jimmy The Clam

Holy CRAP Charles!
These people are nuts.

I now announce that I stand corrected in originally believing that your position was fueled by more emotion than fact.
I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and you were not; yours seems to have been the correct call.


Takes a big person to say that. Comin' from me, that doesn't mean anything, but I'm just sayin. +1 to you.

155 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:18:23am

re: #141 Eowyn2

The sound of music was based on a true story prior to 'this has been overly dramatized in our effort to get you to believe that black is white and white is blue'

A lot of the changes were to fit it into the proper musical/movie formula; for one thing, you had to have a dramatic climax, which is why they had the Von Trapps escape on foot over the mountains when, in reality, they simply took a train out of Austria.

There's actually a Japanese animated version of the story which is much more faithful to the reality.

156 Eowyn2  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:18:36am

re: #108 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #96 Owl


Belgian intel psyops

We are getting a SECOND monthly check ! YAY !

/it took time to understand the shekel thing, now I will have to study the Belgian currency...

i hope the 2nd one is bigger than the first one. my zionist overlords are so tight they squeek, either that or one of you is skimming.

157 Peacekeeper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:18:42am

BIG BELGIAN INTELLIGENCE PYS-OPS IS RIPPING US OFF!

158 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:18:57am

It would seem they are the same kind of people...as those ATS.

159 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:19:00am

re: #146 J.S.

In a word -- bizarre. Contradictory. What I don't understand is this -- Dymphna doesn't like the podcast's last 23 minutes or so, so she wants it to be removed/deleted. Next she claims that if it's not deleted, she'll get a transcript of it and make it public...Oooh, the horror...(as I laugh). Maybe she's actually anxious for publicity? -- just wants more "notice"...(?) If she really wants "privacy" -- this ain't the way to go about it. just sayin'

That is bizzare. A podcast by its very nature is already public.

160 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:19:05am

Preemptive smear job on myself, lol :

BabbaZee has three heads, half a brain, and no spleen, among other missing parts! She knows shit from Shineola about Europe!
She is rumored to be preternaturally pixilated,
and beyond that, she is notoriously Bee Eye Gee, so we have heard through peachable sources!
OOOM blabla and ummm bwebwe too, so there!
Many tribesmen of the clans that keep track say she is fortiscuitous and von remnantshtiened! Not to mention obtuse, abstruse and hung like a moose!
Sue her immediately because those Romanian stamps are worth millions.
She is an unidentified flying bible thumping threat to world peace.
Stone the unfaithful monkey!

161 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:19:07am

re: #154 Owl

I plussed him up too. He knows I gave him quite a hard time about this one day, but I'm glad to see this post today. Thanks, Jimmy.

162 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:19:21am

OT: Thanks a lot, Imus!*

*No, I don't actually blame him, it just sounded funnier to me that way.

163 itellu3times  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:19:21am

I'm confused. I'm going to get a hotdog.

164 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:19:40am

RON FREAKIN' PAUL 11!1!11!11!11!11!


/heh.

:)

165 mayor of imaginationland  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:19:59am

OT

Here is an interesting development

I personally advocate safe sex, but abstinance is an important link in the chain of stopping the spread of AIDS especially with the number cases down, and I don't know what removing it would do. Some people will only respond to an absolute decree

166 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:20:03am

re: #124 Ma Sands

re: #101 BabbaZee

Okay......maybe I mis-read.....thanks.

Hi MA! So glad to see you back! MWAH!

(see my #143 - it explains all)

:)

167 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:20:11am

re: #143 mama winger

LOL!

168 Josephine  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:20:26am

re: #104 Charles

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Do you realize how Charles endangered Bat Y’eor by permitting her real name to be revealed on his site? The New York Times beat him to it, but that’s the company he keeps.


Charles is a tool of CAIR and NYT!

This is such crap. I "endangered" Bat Ye'or now, by trying to publicize an article about her in the New York Times? These people have become self-mocking jokes.

By the way, I was contacted by an associate of Ye'or after that NYT article appeared at LGF, and I offered to delete my post. I was told it didn't matter because it had already appeared in the New York Times. But now, after all this time, it pops up here as another smear attack on me, in a private email to another blogger. Dymphna also lied about other things in her email.

There's a deliberate, dishonest campaign of character assassination going on.

I'm sure I read her real name in a Toronto paper. I suppose you're responsible for that, too?

/

169 coquimbojoe  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:20:27am

re: #163 itellu3times

I'm confused. I'm going to get a hotdog.

Get me one, with Kraut and hot mustard.... I'll get you back next week.

170 mayor of imaginationland  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:20:53am

stupid link didn't work
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

171 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:21:06am
Dear Mr. Brown:

I watched on a breaking cable TV news cast , here in the US, as tens of thousands of crazed Sudanese crowded into Khartoum today, demanding the summary execution of your hapless citizen, Ms. Gillian Gibbons for defamation of Islam. Yesterday, Ms. Gibbons was sentenced to 15 days in gaol and deportation to England.

This Muhammad teddy bear incident has been conflated into an international event akin to the Danish cartoon incident of early 2006 that caused the deaths of hundreds and considerable property damage and international controversy perpetrated by extremist Muslim Imams.

The safety and security of the doughty Ms. Gibbons is paramount as a signal that this form of barbarous incitement to hate over a frivolous matter such as the naming of a teddy bear by Ms. Gibbons students has gone far enough.

We, at American Congress for Truth (ACT), urge you to instruct your Foreign Minister to gain Ms. Gibbons immediate release and safe transport back to England.

To do anything less at this critical moment would be the height of folly and appeasement of Islamist xenophobia, not only in the Sudan, but around the world.

I, for one, would not want to see Ms. Gibbons dragged out of jail and beheaded like the famed valiant General Sir Charles “Chinese” Gordon, who was felled by Mahdist fanatics in Khartoum in 1885, whilst combating slavery in the Sudan. As one who bears his nickname, proudly, I urge you to act with resolve and alacrity. A life of a British citizen hangs in the balance.

Sincerely,

Jerome B. “Chinese” Gordon
Member of the Board
American Congress for Truth

[Link: blog.americancongressfortruth.com...]

172 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:21:13am

re: #150 Jimmy The Clam

Go Jimmy. Good man.

173 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:21:48am

re: #160 BabbaZee

She is an unidentified flying bible thumping threat to world peace

Well that part is probably true .......

LOL


{babba}

174 Eowyn2  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:22:09am

re: #152 NJDhockeyfan

OT:
ILLINOIS MAN PLEADS GUILTY IN FOILED PLAN TO SET OFF GRENADES IN SHOPPING MALL


CHICAGO – A Rockford, Il., man, admitted today in Federal Court that he planned to set off several grenades in garbage cans at a shopping mall in Rockford last December. The defendant, Derrick Shareef, 23, pleaded guilty to one count of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction. Shareef was arrested on Dec. 6, 2006, by agents of the FBI-led Chicago Joint Terrorism Task Force ( JTTF ) when he met with an undercover agent at a store parking lot in Rockford to trade a set of stereo speakers for four hand grenades and a hand gun. He has remained in federal custody since he was arrested. Shareef was scheduled to stand trial beginning December 10, 2007.

Shareef? Just another misunderstood yute.

175 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:22:24am

re: #165 mayor of imaginationland

I personally advocate safe sex...

Check this story out - in China, police assume that any woman carrying condoms is a prostitute. There have been women sent to labor camps on prostitution changes solely because they were caught with a condom in their possession. Great way to fights AIDS there, China.

176 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:22:45am

re: #167 BabbaZee

re: #143 mama winger

LOL!

I thought you'd like that. We Marx Brothers fans need to stick together.

177 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:22:52am

re: #140 wahabicorridor

Honestly, Charles, I'm not sure it amounts to 'lies'. I think the woman is unhinged.


I think there are a few outright lies in her ramblings. The DoS attack thing is complete fiction and not a matter of nuance. It's also worth noting that they came off looking bad in the podcast so they're trying to get stuffed down the memory hole. They did the same thing with Dewinter's interview on the Shire podcast. Not only are they lying they're trying to get people to suppress information that makes them look bad.

178 Peacekeeper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:23:27am

You fools! "Charles Johnson" is just a front for the puppet masters in Brussels who seek to steal our precious bodily fluids. WAKE UP!

179 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:23:28am
re: #160 BabbaZee

Thump it.

180 coquimbojoe  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:23:51am

re: #170 mayor of imaginationland

stupid link didn't work
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

You would think she would be all for abstinence, or at least putting a 24 hour watch on her husband, that would probably, in and of itself, cut back on extra-marital sex happening in the US by a good 5%.....

181 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:24:19am
It’s Kafkaesque — you should have seen what a scare it threw into his followers... and he enjoyed the game.

Dear Daffy Dymphna,

I am a free American. I am not a 'follower'. CJ and LGF succeed because of hard work and dedication. Get it straight.

Regards,
traveller.

182 Eowyn2  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:24:20am

re: #160 BabbaZee

strange, you dont look fortiscuitous

183 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:24:23am

re: #173 mama winger

lol lol lol

so is the spleen / partless part

There is always a grain of truth in all good shmears mah dears

184 Iron Fist  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:24:24am

re: #175 JamesTKirk,

But remember fundamentalist Christians are the greatest threat since, well, since the Mongol Hoard!

185 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:25:12am

re: #160 BabbaZee

BabbaZee has three heads, half a brain, and no spleen, among other missing parts!

First time I saw that, I read it as you were missing pants. I thought we had something in common there.

186 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:25:21am
Have you ever sat for ten minutes and listened to a live broadcast of a person dissecting you, while you knew they were so far off base they might as well have been talking from Mars? It’s an interesting experience

Gee- have you ever sat and thought about what caused you to have to listen to ten minutes of "dissection"? Golly- maybe it's because you launched personal attacks against a person who wasn't going to just lie down and take it and had the Truth on his side. You poor thing- it's called "karma".

187 Former Belgian  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:25:41am

re: #32 BenZacharia

re: #25 insanity police

I get it. Vienna is not the country, its an insane asylum. Close the gates, and keep the inmates inside.

Quite. 70-80% of SS officers were Austrians, as well as a certain corporal.

Catholics and ex-Catholics may remember that St. Dymphna is the patron saint of the mentally ill.

Seriously: until this episode with Dr. Pat Santy, I was still willing to consider that we were dealing with a principled disagreement that got completely out of hand. After this one, I've concluded that the people at GoV (especially Dymphna) have taken complete leave of their senses, or are on a bad LSD trip.

And having some experience with emotional blackmail in closed chapters of my personal life (besides it being the #1 propaganda tool of the 'Palestinian' cause), I recognize it when I see it. That "St. Dymphna" is insane enough to try this trick on a professional psychiatrist like Dr. Santy, of all things, speaks volumes.

188 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:25:41am

re: #174 Eowyn2

Shareef? Just another misunderstood yute.

Rock the Casbah, rock the Casbah.

189 segesta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:25:51am

I read this stuff from GOV, Dr. Sanity, etc. and can only think: Get over yourselves, nerds. It's the internet.

190 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:26:42am

re: #177 Killgore Trout

Would you shoot me an email please. nic is blue'd.

191 coquimbojoe  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:26:47am

re: #174 Eowyn2

re: #152 NJDhockeyfan

OT:
ILLINOIS MAN PLEADS GUILTY IN FOILED PLAN TO SET OFF GRENADES IN SHOPPING MALL


CHICAGO – A Rockford, Il., man, admitted today in Federal Court that he planned to set off several grenades in garbage cans at a shopping mall in Rockford last December. The defendant, Derrick Shareef, 23, pleaded guilty to one count of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction. Shareef was arrested on Dec. 6, 2006, by agents of the FBI-led Chicago Joint Terrorism Task Force ( JTTF ) when he met with an undercover agent at a store parking lot in Rockford to trade a set of stereo speakers for four hand grenades and a hand gun. He has remained in federal custody since he was arrested. Shareef was scheduled to stand trial beginning December 10, 2007.

Shareef? Just another misunderstood yute.

They got the name wrong. It was Shareefson, he was Swedish see and unhappy with the treatment of Yoopers on the upper penninsula.....

192 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:27:15am

re: #178 Peacekeeper

You fools! "Charles Johnson" is just a front for the puppet masters in Brussels who seek to steal our precious bodily fluids. WAKE UP!

Anyone who wants to steal my precious fluids is going to have to get past my wife.

193 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:27:28am

re: #187 Former Belgian

Catholics and ex-Catholics may remember that St. Dymphna is the patron saint of the mentally ill.

How apropos can you get?

194 Charles  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:27:30am

re: #153 Killgore Trout

re: #114 Charles

I never accused them of "mounting a DOS attack," either. I reported that a bot from vigilantfreedom.org was hitting our site a lot, and it was completely true. I never used the words "DOS attack."

Ah, I remember the bot discussion too. I never interpreted it as a dos attack, nor was it ever mentioned. It makes her statement even more dishonest....


Charles has dropped some of his allegations and has been forced by our insistence to retract online his comments accusing us — CVF — of attempting to mount a DOS attack on him (a denial of service). CVF did no such thing.

You never made the allegation so I also assume you were never "forced" to retract it by their insistence to retract it.
They've really lost their marbles.

To be completely clear, what was happening was that their Word Press blog system was sending multiple trackback hits, because vigilantfreedom was obsessively posting links to every comment I made on the issue, so many that it resulted in thousands of hits.

So I did withdraw my inference that there was something sinister going on, but my observation of the automated hits coming from vigilantfreedom was correct.

195 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:27:46am

re: #182 Eowyn2

;~}

LOL

I should go put that one in my dictionary
I don't think it is there...

Fortiscuity /Fortiscuitous:

1) Fortitude developed via safely traversing dangerous circuitous paths

See : Excrusion (an excruciating excursion)

196 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:28:10am

re: #185 JamesTKirk

rotff

197 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:28:33am

re: #191 coquimbojoe

They got the name wrong. It was Shareefson, he was Swedish see and unhappy with the treatment of Yoopers on the upper penninsula.....


There ARE a lot of Swedes in Rockford LOL! On a personal note, my nephew was working there in that mall on the day in question.

198 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:28:47am

Speaking of which, ( Iron Fist's post), if your kids say they want " Assassin's Creed " for Christmas this year, you should think about getting it for them for Rahhhhhaaammmadannnnn instead.

Contrary to popular online statements; it is - so far - a story about poor muslims being attacked by evil Templars. Oh, and all the other pro-muslim, anti-Christian garbage they could think of to throw in there. The ironic thing? The game has a screen in the beginning that says it was made by people of all religious faiths. Which doesn't mean crap when it's still an anti-Christian game. Surprise.

Oh, and on top of all that - it's just a passable game with so-so graphics and repetitave gameplay. Next gen gaming my a$$.

199 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:29:06am

re: #187 Former Belgian

I've concluded that the people at GoV (especially Dymphna) have taken complete leave of their senses, or are on a bad LSD trip.

A little too much LDS never made me want to ally myself with nazis.

200 yavanna  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:29:37am

The folks at GOV are not defending themselves like people that have been simply mis-understood. Their reactions shriek 'GUILTY'. When people are misunderstood - especially friends, the simply show where the misunderstanding occured, things get cleared up and everyone moves on, sometimes agreeing to disagree. GOV's constant hammering on this issue and their leap to aggressively defend themselves, and resorting to wild conspiracy as explanation and using character attacks exposes them for the idiots & liars that they are. THATS why they are shrieking.

201 razorbacker  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:29:41am

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

The best laid plans of mice and men...

202 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:29:48am

Mentally ill people need a patron saint too. Probably more than one. :)

203 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:30:17am

re: #187 Former Belgian


Catholics and ex-Catholics may remember that St. Dymphna is the patron saint of the mentally ill.

laughing hysterically now.


A TREASURE you are.
You and Buzzsawmonkey.

LGF Treasures.

204 bulwrk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:30:33am

I never did like their sausages

205 myself  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:30:41am

it would be nice if the people in this multi-week argument would restrict their comments to the integrity of the European parties rather than the integrity of the people arguing. A bit of Buddhism would help each and every infidel.

206 TalkinKamel  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:30:53am

I really am beginning to wonder why Dymphna and the Baron are so emotionally invested in Dewinter and crew. Are they close, personal friends? Did Dewinter donate a kidney to one of them? Threaten to protect them from the vast, BelgianLizardoid Conspiracy? What?

I hate to keep harping on the Hirsi Ali thing, but it provides such a contrast to their current championing Dewinter and Vlaams Belang. When the controversy about Ali remaining in the United States, and getting protection, was going on, Dymphna claimed that Ali was underserving of any special security because, after all, she had made a movie insulting Islam, and those who go looking for trouble shouldn't be surprised when it comes. She also pretty much stated outright that Ali was unworthy of support because she wasn't Christian, and had secular ideas (which makes one kind've wonder about what Dymphna's idea of a good society is; an Irish/Catholic theocracy, no unbelievers allowed?)

The Baron then weighed in, claiming that, since our government can't protect everybody, it's really unfair to protect individuals with security services, since it can't guarantee protection for everyone.

Go figure.

207 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:30:57am

re: #198 Owl

I rented it for my Xbox last night. It is a repetitive and stupid version of Prince of Persia, and lacks any sort of believability at all. I mean you can kill someone in broad daylight in a crowd and noone sees you.

208 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:31:17am

re: #191 coquimbojoe

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

LOL!
:-D

209 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:31:24am

Don't take the brown acid!

one hit and BLAMMO!

Ilsa She wolf of the SS!

210 Eowyn2  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:31:25am

re: #188 JamesTKirk

heck, my boys were misunderstood yutes too. Thats what one of them claimed when he got grounded for doing 105 down the interstate.

211 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:32:13am

re: #202 mama winger

Saint Sybil

212 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:32:25am

shes ten saints in one

213 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:32:31am

If the threat of a defamation suit is the worst they can do, then the volk have grown limp indeed.

214 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:32:46am

re: #205 myself

it would be nice if the people in this multi-week argument would restrict their comments to the integrity of the European parties rather than the integrity of the people arguing. A bit of Buddhism would help each and every infidel.


I love buddiasm. egg rolls and fried rice and stuff - and those little cookies.


what? what do you mean? But I thought that...oh, ok.

i still like eggrolls though.

215 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:33:02am

re: #211 BabbaZee

re: #202 mama winger

Saint Sybil

I need multiple saints. All the help I can get - I'll gladly welcome it :)

216 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:33:33am

re: #197 mama winger

re: #191 coquimbojoe


They got the name wrong. It was Shareefson, he was Swedish see and unhappy with the treatment of Yoopers on the upper penninsula.....

There ARE a lot of Swedes in Rockford LOL! On a personal note, my nephew was working there in that mall on the day in question.

I've been to that mall. It's pretty nice - biggest thing between Madison and Elgin.

217 yavanna  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:33:53am

re: #196 BabbaZee

re: #185 JamesTKirk

rotff

alright, now i am curious! rolling on the floor..... uh... farting? :-D

218 jcm  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:33:53am

re: #206 TalkinKamel

I really am beginning to wonder why Dymphna and the Baron are so emotionally invested in Dewinter and crew. Are they close, personal friends? Did Dewinter donate a kidney to one of them? Threaten to protect them from the vast, BelgianLizardoid Conspiracy? What?

I hate to keep harping on the Hirsi Ali thing, but it provides such a contrast to their current championing Dewinter and Vlaams Belang. When the controversy about Ali remaining in the United States, and getting protection, was going on, Dymphna claimed that Ali was underserving of any special security because, after all, she had made a movie insulting Islam, and those who go looking for trouble shouldn't be surprised when it comes. She also pretty much stated outright that Ali was unworthy of support because she wasn't Christian, and had secular ideas (which makes one kind've wonder about what Dymphna's idea of a good society is; an Irish/Catholic theocracy, no unbelievers allowed?)

The Baron then weighed in, claiming that, since our government can't protect everybody, it's really unfair to protect individuals with security services, since it can't guarantee protection for everyone.

Go figure.

I am beginning to wonder if it has anything to do with melanin.

219 ContraJihadi  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:33:57am

Sigh, I do believe that the Baron and Dymphna are letting their narrative become their reality.

Lizards can be a tad cold-blooded at times in showing their disdain, but I have been following these threads, here and on GoV, and know that on the latter there have been some outright falsehoods spread about who has banned whom and under what circumstances. Better document everything, Charles, so the misrepresentations of fact don't bite you.

I must say that Dymphna's comments to Dr. Sanity--and I heard the whole podcast--are far too extreme. I believe it was a good Democrat who said, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." And yes, although Dr. Sanity is right in saying that the facts about VB are not conclusive, methinks VB and their supporters at GoV protest too much.

If I remember correctly, Charles never said definitively that VB was neo-Nazi, just that its use of the Odin's Cross and the presence of its top members at the funeral smelled bad. And in response GoV points to a highly conjectural post on American Thinker to suggest strongly that Charles has been the victim of leftist psy-ops. Somehow this doesn't smell very kosher either. It's rather clear that Charles's "bump of skepticism" vibrates intensely when leftist propaganda comes along.

All together a bad bit of business, this falling out. I suppose one can find fault on both sides, but I have to say that Charles has been less vehement and fanciful than his opponents.

221 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:34:00am

re: #213 Pullus Iulius

If the threat of a defamation suit is the worst they can do, then the volk have grown limp indeed.

"He huffed and he puffed... and he signed an eviction notice." -Little Pig, Shrek

222 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:34:12am

re: #207 SecretInternetDoucheBag

re: #198 Owl

I rented it for my Xbox last night. It is a repetitive and stupid version of Prince of Persia, and lacks any sort of believability at all. I mean you can kill someone in broad daylight in a crowd and noone sees you.


exactly. and I don't know about the xbox version, but in the ps3 version his feet vanish alot, and he seems to be floating more than walking.

To me, it's a rip off of Oblivion, Prince of Persia, and Thief( GREAT PC game, if you've never played it)

223 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:34:14am

Ok, everyone, about the mental illness bit. You might be hitting a bit close to home and inflicting cruelty you don't intend.

Back off a bit ok?

Babba, check yer mail.

224 segesta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:34:33am

re: #199 JamesTKirk

What does Mitt Romney have to do with this? :-)

(I know, I know, it was a typo)

225 coquimbojoe  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:35:23am

re: #197 mama winger

On a personal note, my nephew was working there in that mall on the day in question.

Thats not funny. By the grace of G-d this thing didn't happen. It brings home the dangers that idiots like Shareef pose (and their apologists). I am now more glad that this was stopped.

226 zombie  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:35:24am

Charles said:

In her email to Dr. Sanity, Dymphna also lied about the “SF Chronicle sneaky comment trick” at LGF; she claims it is still operative at LGF, but in truth it was simply a proof of concept and was disabled after one day of testing.

On a related note, Charles, it would be absolutely foolish of you (or anyone) to leave that comment crypto-deletion trick in place after you've announced it, because anyone could quite easily prove you were doing it by visiting LGF using different browsers or by deleting cookies and unlogging in. How do I know this?...

Because I've just put up a new post at Investigate the Media in which I discuss an interview given by the Webmaster in response to our exposé, where she admits to the "graylisting" and crypto-deletion of comments, but then claims that, due to the outrage from readers, they have now stopped the practice. HOWEVER (and this is the whole point), I tested out her claim by making an innocuous comment, then viewing it logged in and logged out on different browsers, and it was visible on one and not visible on the other -- proving that (even two days after she claims to have stopped the practice), the Chronicle was still doing it.

The scandal continues!

227 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:35:43am

re: #224 segesta

re: #199 JamesTKirk

What does Mitt Romney have to do with this? :-)

(I know, I know, it was a typo)

It wasn't a typo, it was a reference to Star Trek IV.

228 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:35:44am

So, Charles. What's it feel like to learn your a victim of psy-ops? The dread Belgian Secret Service strikes again! (Did they at least ply you with some great Belgian beer?)

This is really sad. I liked GoV, but they're going off a deep end.

229 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:35:48am

re: #200 yavanna

resorting to wild conspiracy as explanation and using character attacks exposes them for the idiots & liars that they are

It smacks of desperation. Or worse. Paranoia could be a sign of mental illness. At this point, however, I do feel that the driving motivation is desperation. They are seeing all their hard work go buh-bye. They are like parents desperate to save their baby that they will try any crazy thing that cmes down the pike. If it continues much longer- they should seek help, and I mean that in a decent, humanistic way.

230 J.S.  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:36:10am

About Bat Ye'or's real name...Apparently her real name was revealed in a book review by Sidney H. Griffith in 1998. Griffith wrote a review of Bat Ye'or's work "The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam" -- the book review was published in International Journal of Middle East Studies (Volume 30, no. 4 -- Nov. 1998), p 619-621.

231 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:36:46am
I suppose one can find fault on both sides,


Yes, I can. Charles has been getting the first post up very late this week.


and i think you're ful of it.

232 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:37:06am

re: #198 Owl

I was sort of looking forward to getting that one until I read more about the game's plot. Funny, though, I perceived it as being pro-islam rather than anti-christian. Hmm, half a dozen in one...

No matter, I've gotten quite used to not buying games that suck (and that's most of them), so I'll have no problem passing over this one as well.

Guess I'll just reinstall my old copy of Fallout.

233 saltmarsh  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:37:12am

This is just so sad.

234 coquimbojoe  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:37:17am

re: #208 Honorary Yooper

It is because of you I know what a Yooper is. And, I am better for it.

235 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:37:37am
your a victim of psy-ops

Note to self: proofread before posting.

236 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:38:10am

OT to mama winger and jcm

Just heard from my sister. They've got the baby back safe and sound. And guess what? The bio father everyone was told (by bio mom) was dead? He showed up last nite - with DNA tests.

237 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:38:18am
238 Eowyn2  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:38:19am

re: #191 coquimbojoe

well that explains it.

239 coquimbojoe  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:39:05am

re: #235 Anthony (Los Angeles)

your a victim of psy-ops

Note to self: proofread before posting.

Thanksgiving made me a victim of pie-ops, interestingly enough.....

/Thank you! Try the fish!

240 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:39:13am

re: #227 JamesTKirk

re: #224 segesta

re: #199 JamesTKirk
What does Mitt Romney have to do with this? :-)

(I know, I know, it was a typo)


It wasn't a typo, it was a reference to Star Trek IV.

Which contained a malapropism.

241 Crusader Rabbit  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:39:17am

Dymphna lied!

Lizards were snide!

:)

242 Eowyn2  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:39:22am

re: #211 BabbaZee

re: #202 mama winger

Saint Sybil

lol

243 Jimmy The Clam  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:39:39am

re: #172 BabbaZee

re: #150 Jimmy The Clam

Go Jimmy. Good man.

Thanks!
One thing I have learned is to never get emotionally attached to an argument or a position.
Just go where facts and reason lead you.
But sometimes you do take the wrong off-ramp on the freeway of ideas but as soon as you realize you are headed the wrong way, you need to flip a "U-ey" and get back on that freeway.

When you get emotionally wrapped up in a position, or personalize an argument, it keeps you from realizing your mistakes or correcting your actions.

244 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:39:39am

re: #236 wahabicorridor

OT to mama winger and jcm

Just heard from my sister. They've got the baby back safe and sound. And guess what? The bio father everyone was told (by bio mom) was dead? He showed up last nite - with DNA tests.

PRAISE GOD! Oh I am so glad! I was up in the night and not able to sleep and I was praying for the wee one! God is good!

And there is a father? Wow! Does he seem like he could be a good custodial parent?

245 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:39:57am

re: #219 ContraJihadi

I suppose one can find fault on both sides

If being cautious is a fault, then I suppose you're right.

246 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:39:59am

re: #232 Slumbering Behemoth

They are coming out with a new version of Fallout for the Xbox. Made by the same people that made Oblivion.

247 coquimbojoe  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:40:53am

re: #199 JamesTKirk

re: #187 Former Belgian

I've concluded that the people at GoV (especially Dymphna) have taken complete leave of their senses, or are on a bad LSD trip.

A little too much LDS never made me want to ally myself with nazis.

But it gives me a strange desire for casserole and alchohol free beer (all the belly, none of the fun!)

248 rightymouse  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:40:59am

Man.....

I thought I understood the definition of hubris until I read Dympha's screed. Wow!

249 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:41:07am
250 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:41:16am

re: #240 Honorary Yooper

re: #227 JamesTKirk
It wasn't a typo, it was a reference to Star Trek IV.

Which contained a malapropism.

In any case, I've never tried any LDS, because Mormon women don't come in a lovely shade of green.

/As for the other stuff...

251 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:41:46am

re: #244 mama winger

Does he seem like he could be a good custodial parent?

no clue yet - too soon to tell I think - they're in shock but happy.

252 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:41:56am

re: #223 wahabicorridor

okeedokee

253 Former Belgian  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:42:04am

re: #156 Eowyn2

re: #108 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #96 Owl


Belgian intel psyops


We are getting a SECOND monthly check ! YAY !/it took time to understand the shekel thing, now I will have to study the Belgian currency...

i hope the 2nd one is bigger than the first one. my zionist overlords are so tight they squeek, either that or one of you is skimming.

The Belgian currency is the Euro. Tell'em to convert to dollars before paying, since I think the Euro/US$ exchange rate is topping out.

Then again, considering how incompetent Belgian paymasters tend to be, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to "please you" with one billion Zaire banknotes from the last days of the Mobutu regime..

254 coquimbojoe  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:42:20am

re: #250 JamesTKirk

re: #240 Honorary Yooper

re: #227 JamesTKirk

It wasn't a typo, it was a reference to Star Trek IV.

Which contained a malapropism.

In any case, I've never tried any LDS, because Mormon women don't come in a lovely shade of green.

/As for the other stuff...

I could tell you stories......

255 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:42:24am

re: #243 Jimmy The Clam

When you get emotionally wrapped up in a position, or personalize an argument, it keeps you from realizing your mistakes or correcting your actions.

And it's sometimes really hard to step back, be humble, and say I'm sorry.

256 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:43:14am

re: #254 coquimbojoe

re: #250 JamesTKirk
In any case, I've never tried any LDS, because Mormon women don't come in a lovely shade of green.

/As for the other stuff...

I could tell you stories......

And I you, no doubt.

257 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:43:33am

re: #232 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #198 Owl

I was sort of looking forward to getting that one until I read more about the game's plot. Funny, though, I perceived it as being pro-islam rather than anti-christian. Hmm, half a dozen in one...

No matter, I've gotten quite used to not buying games that suck (and that's most of them), so I'll have no problem passing over this one as well.

Guess I'll just reinstall my old copy of Fallout.


Well, I mean my opinion isn't gospel. Rent it for yourself or whatever - find some way to play a bit of it. It has it's novel moments, but all the hype on the gaming boards about it was just near total hogwash. And last night as "I" stood in front of the cleric and was told about the " brotherhood" and blah, blah,blah - i just couldn't see having to listen to much more of it to play a game that isn't cutting edge.

supposedly, you're killing folks so that there can be peace....but in reality there's alot of dialog that paints the muslims to be oh-so-innocent in the whole thing.

it's subtle, and most won't catch it.....and i know it's " just a game" - but it's one more step toward the new world order. a little brainwashing here, a little there and BOOM. you got sharia.

all that, plus i just wanted to be able to walk up to every bhurka clad woman and tell them to take off that crap and wise up.

258 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:43:44am

re: #251 wahabicorridor

re: #244 mama winger

Does he seem like he could be a good custodial parent?

no clue yet - too soon to tell I think - they're in shock but happy.

So the baby is well? You said there was a medical condition, right?

259 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:44:01am

Question:

how can we work for the intel psyops when our IQ is famously in the low teens ?

Maybe we work for the "IDIOT need-a-shrink-ops"...

/send the check anyway, thanks

260 Claire  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:44:15am

Secret Belgian Jewish Cabal. Okey Dokey.

This is such a soap opera. I really think that some people get a following and start to believe they shit rose petals.

261 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:44:18am

Feminist author rewrites novel after death threats from Muslim extremists

A feminist author is to rewrite her autobiography after she was forced to flee from Muslim extremists who placed a bounty on her head.

Taslima Nasreen, 45, a former doctor, said today that she hoped that the move would appease fundamentalist groups and end a controversy that forced her to leave Calcutta last week.

Ms Nasreen had claimed that the religious references in Dwikhandito, which means Divided, are sourced from “universally accepted” books on Islamic history.

Today she relented under pressure and said that “controversial lines” relating to Islam from the autobiographical novel would be removed.

“The book was written in 2002, based on my memories of Bangladesh in the 1980s, during which time secularism was removed from the Bangladesh constitution. I wrote the book in support of the people who defended secular values. I had no intention to hurt anybody’s sentiment,” she said today from a secret location.

I have done what I have never done in my life. I have compromised even in a secular India.” She added that she hoped she would now be able to “live peacefully” in India.

Don't count on it.

262 talon_262  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:44:46am

To those at GoV and other bastions of the VB/WN lovefest, I have one simple thing to say:

No fascists in my foxhole!

[M*A*S*H P.A. Speaker]That is all...[/M*A*S*H P.A. Speaker]

263 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:44:52am

re: #220 GNIDAthe#seCond

I recall that shortly after 9/11 there was a NYU Fine Arts "student" who left little black boxes labeled "FEAR" around the New York subway system as a performance piece, causing quite a bit of uproar. So, this stain in Canada, on top of being tackytackytacky, is also being derivative. That's the mark of Cain for these effete artiste types. No latte for you, tacky little man!

264 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:45:03am

re: #243 Jimmy The Clam

Amen Jimmy.
Salute, Paisan.

265 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:45:10am
And if you look at his falling numbers, you can see a possible reason for his need to create another Rathergate.

And she links alexa. Someone's been reading gcp. LOL

266 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:45:22am

re: #258 mama winger


The baby is well - she's not allowed to tell me details of the med condition, just that Destiny is A-ok.....

267 Eowyn2  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:45:33am

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

re: #220 GNIDAthe#seCond


OT: Moonbat Artist Shuts Down Midtown Toronto With Fake Bomb, Sympathizes With Terrorists, Calls It Art, Going To Court

This artist is from the Ontario College of Art and Design, where this teacher, who did this work of art, is one of the faculty.

I dont know if he'll have much support on the left. He wound up closing down an AIDS fundraiser. So the sacred cows of the left are now jockeying for position?

268 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:46:42am

re: #266 wahabicorridor

re: #258 mama winger


The baby is well - she's not allowed to tell me details of the med condition, just that Destiny is A-ok.....

Thanks be to God.
I am so happy for your family. Please convey my very best wishes to them. Destiny is home for the holidays ! YAY!

269 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:46:53am

re: #206 TalkinKamel

I really am beginning to wonder why Dymphna and the Baron are so emotionally invested in Dewinter and crew. Are they close, personal friends? Did Dewinter donate a kidney to one of them? Threaten to protect them from the vast, BelgianLizardoid Conspiracy? What?

I hate to keep harping on the Hirsi Ali thing, but it provides such a contrast to their current championing Dewinter and Vlaams Belang. When the controversy about Ali remaining in the United States, and getting protection, was going on, Dymphna claimed that Ali was underserving of any special security because, after all, she had made a movie insulting Islam, and those who go looking for trouble shouldn't be surprised when it comes. She also pretty much stated outright that Ali was unworthy of support because she wasn't Christian, and had secular ideas (which makes one kind've wonder about what Dymphna's idea of a good society is; an Irish/Catholic theocracy, no unbelievers allowed?)

The Baron then weighed in, claiming that, since our government can't protect everybody, it's really unfair to protect individuals with security services, since it can't guarantee protection for everyone.

Go figure.

Yes, she's not white.

270 edr  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:47:10am

Hmmmm.

GoV has gone plaid!

271 guftafs  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:47:14am

re: re: #104 Charles

There's a deliberate, dishonest campaign of character assassination going on.

#104 Charles

Out of arguments, exposed as useful idiots at best, likely something worse: *ka-ching!* intellectual bankrupcty.

Almost feel sorry for them. Almost.

272 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:47:21am

re: #267 Eowyn2

I dont know if he'll have much support on the left. He wound up closing down an AIDS fundraiser. So the sacred cows of the left are now jockeying for position?

Wouldn't be the first time lefties found themselves in conflict. People who want a cure found for AIDS are not in agreement with people against all animal testing.

273 J.S.  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:47:29am

re: #206 TalkinKamel

I really am beginning to wonder why Dymphna and the Baron are so emotionally invested in Dewinter and crew.

I've been wondering about this myself. I suspect it might have something to do with money -- the financing of their political party, their pet hobby horse, called Vlaams Belang is solely from the Belgium government. They require government aid monies to keep afloat. If support slips, they're losing bucks...

274 yavanna  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:47:42am

re: #229 Sharmuta

I agree that it is desperate and likely a sign of mental illness. But the blatent lying throws them into the same category as the islamofacist liars that they are against. Once your resort to wild, deliberate lies in any argument, credibility evaporates (and is generally gone for good).

275 jcm  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:48:21am

re: #236 wahabicorridor

OT to mama winger and jcm

Just heard from my sister. They've got the baby back safe and sound. And guess what? The bio father everyone was told (by bio mom) was dead? He showed up last nite - with DNA tests.

Good new on the baby. We'll pray that everything else gets sorted out.

Got our new foster placement last night, 4 mo old with a broken leg, came from the hospital with a prescription oxycontin. Settled in pretty well, and was comfortable with Tylenol for the pain, going to try to avoid the oxycontin except when she really in pain. These kids are shell shocked when we get them, yanked out of what ever environment they are used to, a whirlwind of hospital doctors, nurses, social workers, then dropped in a strange place with strange people, strange smells. So far so good!

276 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:48:46am

Also OT:

You folks remember the media reports that NATO airstrikes killed Afghan civilian workers? Well, seems that the airstrikes didn't happen as those reports claimed.

No civilians were killed.

Only Taliban.

Again.

277 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:50:19am

re: #246 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Thanks, I am aware. I passed on Oblivious, I'll be passing on Fallout 3 as well. I could go on and on about FO3 not sticking to the Fallout canon, it being dumbed-down and not a true successor to the franchise, blah blah blah, yakity smakity, but it's all very boring and no one really gives a crap.

278 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:50:30am

re: #275 jcm

Got our new foster placement last night, 4 mo old with a broken leg, came from the hospital with a prescription oxycontin.

You must have a strong and brave heart, jcm. Oh my gosh. Such a tiny baby. I'm assuming the broken leg was from abuse? Can you give me the address of these people so I can go beat them with a pipe?

279 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:50:35am

re: #276 lawhawk

Also OT:

You folks remember the media reports that NATO airstrikes killed Afghan civilian workers? Well, seems that the airstrikes didn't happen as those reports claimed.

No civilians were killed.

Only Taliban.

Again.

Those are still "innocent bystanders" and "victims" as far as the MSM are concerned.

280 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:51:04am
281 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:51:19am

re: #217 yavanna

rolling on the -effin' floor

I have deep love for a smattering of profanity.

282 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:51:51am

re: #276 lawhawk

You folks remember the media reports that NATO airstrikes killed Afghan civilian workers? Well, seems that the airstrikes didn't happen as those reports claimed.

Color me shocked.

283 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:52:17am

re: #246 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Fallout 3. It's gonna be on ps3 too, i believe.

Right now, I'm knee-deep in COD4.

284 mama winger  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:52:38am

I am being kicked off the computer.

bbl :)

285 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:52:39am

re: #47 Killgore Trout

Andrew Bostom is disgusted. He was the one who sent me the hat tip on the American Thinker essay suggesting that Charles had been taken in by Belgian intel psyops. He probably was: he had information up and ready to go instantly. Charles was prepped and prepared.

....and Belgian psyops!

Who knew that Belgium had psy-ops?

Operation Flemish Condor?

286 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:52:47am

re: #281 BabbaZee

The deeper the love, the louder the profanity.

287 yavanna  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:53:54am

re: #281 BabbaZee

LOL! you go Babba!

288 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:54:23am

Personally, I don't see much value in engaging dishonest opponents and rewarding their acting out with unwarranted attention. I don't enjoy troll feeding. Anyway...

289 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:54:26am

re: #226 zombie

OOOOoooOOOooOO!

290 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:54:32am

re: #261 NJDhockeyfan

Feminist author rewrites novel after death threats from Muslim extremists


A feminist author is to rewrite her autobiography after she was forced to flee from Muslim extremists who placed a bounty on her head.

Taslima Nasreen, 45, a former doctor, said today that she hoped that the move would appease fundamentalist groups and end a controversy that forced her to leave Calcutta last week.

Ms Nasreen had claimed that the religious references in Dwikhandito, which means Divided, are sourced from “universally accepted” books on Islamic history.

Today she relented under pressure and said that “controversial lines” relating to Islam from the autobiographical novel would be removed.

“The book was written in 2002, based on my memories of Bangladesh in the 1980s, during which time secularism was removed from the Bangladesh constitution. I wrote the book in support of the people who defended secular values. I had no intention to hurt anybody’s sentiment,” she said today from a secret location.

I have done what I have never done in my life. I have compromised even in a secular India.” She added that she hoped she would now be able to “live peacefully” in India.


Don't count on it.

A microcosmic example of the biggest mistake in history.

291 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:54:45am

re: #265 Sharmuta

And if you look at his falling numbers, you can see a possible reason for his need to create another Rathergate.

And she links alexa. Someone's been reading gcp. LOL

Ya think? GCP is only "LGF Stalker Blog #2".

I find this a little disturbing from GoV, especially the comments. Did I mention I don't like Sodra "Cracker" Djavul. They are trying desperately to justify their support of the VB and others.

292 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:54:56am

re: #286 JamesTKirk

It is good to be wise and profane!

293 debutaunt  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:56:27am

re: #243 Jimmy The Clam

re: #172 BabbaZee


re: #150 Jimmy The Clam

Go Jimmy. Good man.


Thanks!
One thing I have learned is to never get emotionally attached to an argument or a position.
Just go where facts and reason lead you.
But sometimes you do take the wrong off-ramp on the freeway of ideas but as soon as you realize you are headed the wrong way, you need to flip a "U-ey" and get back on that freeway.

When you get emotionally wrapped up in a position, or personalize an argument, it keeps you from realizing your mistakes or correcting your actions.


I could never understand why people would have any difficulty in trying to discover what reality is. It is such a joy to find it amongst all the BS!

294 Ma Sands  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:56:34am

re: #143 mama winger

re: #101 BabbaZee

re: #94 Ma Sands

huh?

No that would not be correct.

YES! I do have a sock puppet! :)

Last night during open reg I played the role of

PeaceDuckSoup.

/ I love groucho. And hate the giant Duck of Peace :)


There! I knew it! I was wondering, when Babba didn't know of it, if I were going batty --or, battier.... :)

295 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:58:27am

re: #294 Ma Sands

I had no clue, LOL, it ain't you, maw

296 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:58:37am
297 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:58:43am

re: #291 Honorary Yooper

Honey- stalker blog #2 loves me like Loungers hate me. sodra's over there now, you know. And you and I might even make an appearance due to these couple posts. Wave to the "fan" club, Yoop.

298 Josephine  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:58:50am

The Dr. Sanity post confirms my earlier impression of Dymphna: she doesn't respond well to real or imagined criticism of herself or her husband.

I hope someone will send a link to Dr. Sanity proving that Dymphna and Baron were not banned from LGF. I could be behind the times (I don't read every thread) but the last time I saw it mentioned, I'm pretty sure Pamela/Atlas hadn't been banned here, either.

I find it odd that the founder of the 910 Group (Vicktorya Stone) is involved in websites that publish, among other things, anti-Semitic writing and astrological charts of prominent Nazis. The 910 Group, CVF and GoV are all linked. That doesn't mean they all think the same way but it makes me wonder about underlying belief systems.

299 Ma Sands  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:58:54am

re: #166 mama winger

Awwww.....so fuzzy-warm, to be welcomed..... gee.... :)

300 eastvillageinfidel  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:59:07am

In their desperation, these people have thrown in with some really bad sorts. Our refusal to blindly embrace a bunch of nazis highlights their desperation and they are embarassed by it. All this bizarre hostility is an attempt to hide their fear and embarassment. These people have sold their souls. They are now angry at those of us who haven't. Fuck'em.

301 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:59:15am

re: #291 Honorary Yooper

Sodra Djavul

means White Devil btw

302 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 9:59:34am

re: #291 Honorary Yooper

I find this a little disturbing from GoV...

"Historians have tentatively identified at least two current political leaders in the above photos. In the top photo, the boy who is second from the left (in the back) appears to be Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI). In the bottom photo, the seventh child in the fifth row back is thought to be none other than Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA). Citizens should demand that the leadership of our country be cleansed of former proto-Nazis. There is no place in public office for anyone with this kind of stain on his or her record."

Well, I can't say that I argue with Carl and Teddy being kicked out of public office; but other than that, this is deranged.

303 Ma Sands  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:00:15am

re: #179 storagemanager

Amen. :)

304 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:00:47am

re: #257 Owl

Oh, don't worry, I take no one's opinion as gospel (except for mine, of course).

But as you said:

supposedly, you're killing folks so that there can be peace....but in reality there's alot of dialog that paints the muslims to be oh-so-innocent in the whole thing.

which is pretty much in line with some of the reviews/previews I've read. Of course I am old enough to distinguish reality from bogus revisionist history, so a game like this (or any other) would not influence me in the slightest. Still, no money from me on this one.

305 Crusader Rabbit  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:01:28am

re: #301 BabbaZee

re: #291 Honorary Yooper

Sodra Djavul

means White Devil btw

"södra" means "sothern"

"white" would be "vit"

306 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:01:49am

re: #301 BabbaZee

re: #291 Honorary Yooper

Sodra Djavul

means White Devil btw

And it fits well. He (it) was quite the little devil when I first encountered him in the Lounge. That one earned his banning.

307 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:01:50am

re: #226 zombie

The scandal continues!

Oh, when has it ever stopped?

308 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:02:33am

re: #306 Honorary Yooper

Rabbit has it right.

/Hiya Rabbit!

309 Crusader Rabbit  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:02:35am

bleh, the system muches o with an umlaut.

310 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:02:36am

re: #297 Sharmuta

re: #291 Honorary Yooper

Honey- stalker blog #2 loves me like Loungers hate me. sodra's over there now, you know. And you and I might even make an appearance due to these couple posts. Wave to the "fan" club, Yoop.

I think I shall, with my little bridie. :-)

311 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:03:44am

re: #309 Crusader Rabbit

bleh, the system muches o with an umlaut.

Try this:
ö = ö

312 Crusader Rabbit  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:04:09am

re: #308 Sharmuta

re: #306 Honorary Yooper

Rabbit has it right.

/Hiya Rabbit!

Heya Shar.

I never thought I'd be using Swedish for anything 27 years later.

313 Ma Sands  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:04:42am

re: #236 wahabicorridor

Omigoodness! (I've heard nothing of your story until this....but, my word! ): --it sounds scary!)

314 Orde  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:04:42am

Dymphna sounds whacked, crazily insecure, a bit loca...to which I say:
Por que no te calles!

315 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:05:18am

re: #305 Crusader Rabbit

Oh well
my source was mistaken I guess

316 Crusader Rabbit  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:05:34am

re: #311 JamesTKirk

re: #309 Crusader Rabbit

bleh, the system muches o with an umlaut.

Try this:
ö = ö

awesome, thanks

317 armytramp  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:05:37am

My Zionist membership came with a secret decoder ring.

With Belgian Psyops, you get a toaster.

318 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:05:54am

re: #306 Honorary Yooper

see the rabbit's post my source is wrong

319 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:06:33am

re: #315 BabbaZee

re: #305 Crusader Rabbit

Oh well
my source was mistaken I guess

Hey, the words still fit. It was quite the racist little demon in the Lounge. Wouldn't shock me if it were a Klan member.

320 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:07:01am

re: #297 Sharmuta

They are going after quit a few of us...even realwest....wow.

321 guftafs  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:07:19am

re: #291 Honorary Yooper

re: #265 Sharmuta

And if you look at his falling numbers, you can see a possible reason for his need to create another Rathergate.


And she links alexa. Someone's been reading gcp. LOL

Ya think? GCP is only "LGF Stalker Blog #2".

I find this a little disturbing from GoV, especially the comments. Did I mention I don't like Sodra "Cracker" Djavul. They are trying desperately to justify their support of the VB and others.

Someone in the comments made clear what being an officer in the Waffen SS meant, to which dymphna replied

People honor their dead, especially their military dead. In the South, Confederate graves are still tended. Confederate battles are still discussed -- even re-enacted.

What have you proven besides the fact that you abysmally fail to understand human nature, symbols, and the rituals which bind a people into a more cohesive culture. That includes living with dead mistakes.

She should ask the Fjordman what the Norwegians think about their own pet collaborator, Quisling. Safe bet he is not particularly honoured.

322 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:08:08am

re: #297 Sharmuta

Why do " loungers hate you..." if i may ask?

323 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:08:34am

My .01 USD on this.

It sounds to me from reading Dr Sanity's notes on all this that the GoV people have sort of "gone native" on the Flemish issue. Flemish separatism is one of many such movements (Quebec and the current Western Canada movement springs to mind) that is more or less constant and tends to be used as a way of getting political leverage for a particular region that feels -- often justly -- that it's political and economic interests are being compromised because the politics of the country are dominated by another region. In some cases (Flanders, Quebec, Catalonia) there is an underlying linguistic/"ethnic" difference; in other places (such as Western Canada or most of the US outside of the major cities -- remember the county-level Blue-Red map?) there are no such distinctions -- the differences are primarily political and economic with some cultural aspects thrown in as well.

There is nothing wrong with analyzing and discussing the connection between regional dissidence and opposition to Islam; there may well be reason to assume that the failure of the Belgian government to deal with Islam has to do with the limitations of the current party system; it may be that the limits of the party system are connected with regional conflict and the hegemony of one region (Wallonia) over another (Flanders); it may well be that only certain radical parties are willing to take up the task of opposing creeping (or rampaging) islamification. In other words, it may well be the case that VB and other related parties are the only ones seriously attempting to prevent the rise of Islam in Belgium. (NB: I'm not saying this is true -- I don't know -- but all of this can seem plausible).

That said, there are good reasons beyond the question of the neo-nazi past to make one suspicions of VB and other related groups. And the principle one of these is that their primary purpose is as a regional separatist party. They are not interested in Belgium, only in Flanders. That in and of itself made me suspicious from the beginning about their motivation -- is anti-islamification merely a strategy for drawing more people into the separatist camp? I wonder.

Dymphna's comments were revealing -- she clearly sides with VD on the separatist question. She has, as I've said, gone native and completely, so far as I can see, embraced the idea that Flanders needs to be liberated from Belgium. In other words, from her comments to Dr. Sanity, it would appear that opposition to Islam is secondary -- support for the oppressed people of Flanders is number one; that VB also appears (at the moment) as an ally against Islam is a secondary concern. Or at least that's the sense one gets from reading her emails.

Once one becomes an unabashed partisan in a struggle in which one is not directly involved, it become extremely difficult to remain an objective observer. Dymphna believes in the Flemish "cause," and it would appear that it is her partisanship for that cause that prevents reasonable analysis of aspects of the movement that might be less than savory.

One additional cent: Dr. Sanity should issue a correction on the banning/tricky deletion misinformation.

324 Ma Sands  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:09:07am

re: #275 jcm

You are a foster parent? Oh, I love you! And you know what? --God can do, even in the midst of all that......prayin' for you all....

325 BabbaZee  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:09:18am

re: #319 Honorary Yooper

I cant find the email on it and I may not even have saved it
but if I remember right it said it the name was some sort of known folk name for "white devil" or south white devil or something in some oldtimey local folk tales

like we would know who the grinch is, like that....

326 talon_262  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:09:22am

re: #302 JamesTKirk

re: #291 Honorary Yooper

I find this a little disturbing from GoV...

"Historians have tentatively identified at least two current political leaders in the above photos. In the top photo, the boy who is second from the left (in the back) appears to be Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI). In the bottom photo, the seventh child in the fifth row back is thought to be none other than Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA). Citizens should demand that the leadership of our country be cleansed of former proto-Nazis. There is no place in public office for anyone with this kind of stain on his or her record."

Well, I can't say that I argue with Carl and Teddy being kicked out of public office; but other than that, this is deranged.

Man, GoV's really are grasping at straws on that morally relativistic harangue, aren't they?

327 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:09:30am

re: #320 storagemanager

re: #297 Sharmuta

They are going after quit a few of us...even realwest....wow.

Yeah, Storagemanager, I believe we are all targets. To which I say, go ahead, dipsticks, do your worst.

328 Charles  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:09:32am

Dymphna: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Baron Bodissey: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Pamela: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

329 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:09:41am

re: #290 Owl

re: #261 NJDhockeyfan

Feminist author rewrites novel after death threats from Muslim extremists


A feminist author is to rewrite her autobiography after she was forced to flee from Muslim extremists who placed a bounty on her head. Taslima Nasreen, 45, a former doctor, said today that she hoped that the move would appease fundamentalist groups and end a controversy that forced her to leave Calcutta last week.

Ms Nasreen had claimed that the religious references in Dwikhandito, which means Divided, are sourced from “universally accepted” books on Islamic history.

Today she relented under pressure and said that “controversial lines” relating to Islam from the autobiographical novel would be removed.

“The book was written in 2002, based on my memories of Bangladesh in the 1980s, during which time secularism was removed from the Bangladesh constitution. I wrote the book in support of the people who defended secular values. I had no intention to hurt anybody’s sentiment,” she said today from a secret location.

I have done what I have never done in my life. I have compromised even in a secular India.” She added that she hoped she would now be able to “live peacefully” in India.


Don't count on it.

A microcosmic example of the biggest mistake in history.

And disappointing. She lost some of my respect for this.

330 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:10:20am

re: #321 guftafs

re: #291 Honorary Yooper


re: #265 Sharmuta

And if you look at his falling numbers, you can see a possible reason for his need to create another Rathergate.

And she links alexa. Someone's been reading gcp. LOL

Ya think? GCP is only "LGF Stalker Blog #2".

I find this a little disturbing from GoV, especially the comments. Did I mention I don't like Sodra "Cracker" Djavul. They are trying desperately to justify their support of the VB and others.


Someone in the comments made clear what being an officer in the Waffen SS meant, to which dymphna replied

People honor their dead, especially their military dead. In the South, Confederate graves are still tended. Confederate battles are still discussed -- even re-enacted.

What have you proven besides the fact that you abysmally fail to understand human nature, symbols, and the rituals which bind a people into a more cohesive culture. That includes living with dead mistakes.


She should ask the Fjordman what the Norwegians think about their own pet collaborator, Quisling. Safe bet he is not particularly honoured.

She can go straight to hell. Confederates might not have been on the right side of all things historical, but they were not Nazis........

Damn why do we always get dragged into every little hate-filled infested groups arguments for their own vile existance.

331 Josephine  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:10:36am

re: #249 BabbaZee

My favourite psalm... after the 23rd, of course.

332 Crusader Rabbit  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:10:37am

re: #318 BabbaZee

re: #306 Honorary Yooper

see the rabbit's post my source is wrong

Could be an idiom I don't know. It's not impossible to believe that "southern" is supposed to connote "white".

I just know the literal meaning from 2 months of going back and forth through Stockholm Södra station.

333 medaura18586  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:11:26am

For the sake of expediency, a lot of alliances are made in the anti-jihad front. It's not very hard to sound (semi) reasonable when exposing Islam's true ideological face, it's not rocket-science! One must look much further beyond this into their motives before eagerly embracing these people as true friends.

Rational Dread of Islam (as opposed to Islamophobia, which implies an irrational fear) is being exploited by some very ugly interest groups in Europe. The BNP, and Vlaams Belang are the most visible ones because they originate from Western Europe. I can tell you from first-hand experience about another fascist sect exploiting the increasingly-recognizable degeneracy of Islam for their own chauvinistic purposes: The ultra-nationalistic Serbs.

I was born and raised in Albania so I know a thing or two about the history and situation of Kosovo. My family also hosted war refugees in our home during the "exodus" in 1999.

Serbs want their ethnic strife to sound like a religious conflict so they can generate sympathy from Christians everywhere. Their government has slaughtered thousands of Catholics (Croatians, Slovenians), Greek Orthodox, Muslims, and Atheists through the 1990s. Now they are making excuses for their last unfinished business, Kosovo, claiming it is all about Muslims extremists trying to rebel and break off of Serbia proper to institute Shariah or whatever in that land.

Here is a video illustrating what I'm talking about, and my comment to it.

Trust me, I am not at all an Albanian nationalist. I don't care who gets that land, as long as it is governed according to the closest thing possible to the American Constitution: in other words, as long as individual rights of life, liberty, and property are respected. But I know of the unspeakable atrocities Serbs have gotten away with, some of which I describe in gory detail in my comment. The Orthodox Church has been a great enabler and supporter of the ethnic cleansing that occurred. Just because that man says he is Christian, is a "priest", and has a comfortable grip of the anti-jihadi rhetoric, do not take his motives for granted.

It is just an example which you might find interesting because it's not widely publicized. I'm sure there are plenty more if look.

334 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:11:49am

re: #327 Honorary Yooper

re: #320 storagemanager

re: #297 Sharmuta

They are going after quit a few of us...even realwest....wow.

Yeah, Storagemanager, I believe we are all targets. To which I say, go ahead, dipsticks, do your worst.

I feel left out.

335 Catttt  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:13:24am

re: #47 Killgore Trout

Andrew Bostom is disgusted. He was the one who sent me the hat tip on the American Thinker essay suggesting that Charles had been taken in by Belgian intel psyops. He probably was: he had information up and ready to go instantly. Charles was prepped and prepared.

....and Belgian psyops!

Shame on Charles for being prepared! /sarc

And this is really kind of funny. I realize the people in the area now known as Belgium are proud of their country, but it is - very very small and weak. Frankly, my state, which is approximately the same size, has better intel and psyops and all that than Belgium (Fort Meade? NSA?, etc.). So there. Not that we would attack Belgium.....

336 Crusader Rabbit  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:13:37am

re: #334 JamesTKirk

re: #327 Honorary Yooper


re: #320 storagemanager

re: #297 Sharmuta

They are going after quit a few of us...even realwest....wow.


Yeah, Storagemanager, I believe we are all targets. To which I say, go ahead, dipsticks, do your worst.

I feel left out.

It's a yawner. They can't possible call me anything worse than I've already been called.

337 cookielady  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:13:51am

re: #199 JamesTKirk

Captain, it was Spock that had a little too much LDS.

Time travel messes with your memory, sir. ;-)

338 Crusader Rabbit  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:14:16am

possible = possibly

PIMF

339 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:14:20am

re: #320 storagemanager

They're even calling us gcp watch.

340 Charles  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:14:58am

re: #333 medaura18586

Good post, thanks. And by the way, '1389' is a code word for the ultra-nationalist Serb movement.

341 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:15:56am

re: #322 Owl

It's an inside joke. There's no hate.

342 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:16:10am

re: #339 Sharmuta

re: #320 storagemanager

They're even calling us gcp watch.

That's funny...they post entire threads and make fun of people..like children...Charles doesn't do that crap.

343 JamesTKirk  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:16:38am

re: #337 cookielady

re: #199 JamesTKirk

Captain, it was Spock that had a little too much LDS.

Time travel messes with your memory, sir. ;-)

I've taken more than one "trip" through time. It saves nine.

344 BrianA  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:16:47am

re: #323 Lucius Septimius

It seems that I recall Fjordman posting that one of the keys to European antijihad success was to break up the EU and that key to breaking up the EU was the succession Flanders from Belgium. If that is their thinking then the Flanders nationalism and the antijihad are one in the same.

345 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:17:12am

Charles, et al - can someone please nutshell the whole Seerb/kosovo thing for me? I have a Bosnian that works for me, and he's a nice guy - but very quiet. Like many, he was forced to serve and left as soon as he could for America. thing is, I'm ignorant on who the good guys are and who the bad guys are?

or are there good guys and bad guys in that conflict?

thanks.

346 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:17:32am

re: #341 Sharmuta


ooops. okie dokie.

347 guftafs  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:17:59am

re: #330 Owl

re: #321 guftafs

re: #291 Honorary Yooper


re: #265 Sharmuta


She can go straight to hell. Confederates might not have been on the right side of all things historical, but they were not Nazis........

Damn why do we always get dragged into every little hate-filled infested groups arguments for their own vile existance.

re: #330 Owl

That's one reason I think there's more to the fury and flailing over at GoV than just the lost prestige of backing a losing cause in the blogosphere. I suspect they have definite leanings in that direction. Exactly, you just can't equivocate with a straight face between civil war South and murderous totalitarians, unless you are a moron or a sympathizer, and if nothing else, the guys at GoV are literate.

348 Catttt  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:17:59am

re: #291 Honorary Yooper

re: #265 Sharmuta


And if you look at his falling numbers, you can see a possible reason for his need to create another Rathergate.

And she links alexa. Someone's been reading gcp. LOL

Ya think? GCP is only "LGF Stalker Blog #2".

I find this a little disturbing from GoV, especially the comments. Did I mention I don't like Sodra "Cracker" Djavul. They are trying desperately to justify their support of the VB and others.

Geez. Pinch me - I think I've fallen into an alternate universe. I agree with something SadlyNo posted.

349 fhilliard  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:18:58am

As long as I'm still not banned here, I'll say this: Gates of Vienna, Dymphna, Fjordman and Baron Bodissey have my full support. Their outstanding contribution to the anti-Jihadist cause are beyond reproach. Europe is in the actual first stages of civil war; barracking from the sidelines about ideological purity is counter productive.

What would be helpful, on the other hand, is contributing in the real world by joining right-wing political parties, taking part in anti-Jihadist conferences and going public with anti Islamic protests.

350 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:20:19am

re: #349 fhilliard

As long as I'm still not banned here, I'll say this: Gates of Vienna, Dymphna, Fjordman and Baron Bodissey have my full support. Their outstanding contribution to the anti-Jihadist cause are beyond reproach. Europe is in the actual first stages of civil war; barracking from the sidelines about ideological purity is counter productive.

What would be helpful, on the other hand, is contributing in the real world by joining right-wing political parties, taking part in anti-Jihadist conferences and going public with anti Islamic protests.


Do we need a brown shirt?

351 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:20:27am

right-wing political parties


I'm guessing this is where the problem is gonna be. Sounds like your def. of "right wing" and mine aren't compatible.....i'm guessing.....

352 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:20:49am

re: #339 Sharmuta

re: #320 storagemanager

They're even calling us gcp watch.

That's a chuckle. How many threads/forums do we have dedicated to GCP? How many there are dedicated to LGF?

I rest my case.

353 Crusader Rabbit  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:21:00am

re: #345 Owl

Charles, et al - can someone please nutshell the whole Seerb/kosovo thing for me? I have a Bosnian that works for me, and he's a nice guy - but very quiet. Like many, he was forced to serve and left as soon as he could for America. thing is, I'm ignorant on who the good guys are and who the bad guys are?

or are there good guys and bad guys in that conflict?

thanks.


I can give you the short form:
There were no muslims in the Balkans until the Ottomans commenced to rape the area in the 15th century.

354 guftafs  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:21:00am

re: #349 fhilliard

re: #349 fhilliard

As long as I'm still not banned here, I'll say this: Gates of Vienna, Dymphna, Fjordman and Baron Bodissey have my full support. Their outstanding contribution to the anti-Jihadist cause are beyond reproach. Europe is in the actual first stages of civil war; barracking from the sidelines about ideological purity is counter productive.

What would be helpful, on the other hand, is contributing in the real world by joining right-wing political parties, taking part in anti-Jihadist conferences and going public with anti Islamic protests.

Does anyone know what was really discussed and decided at the conference. All I know is they at kosher food.

355 TalkinKamel  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:21:29am

#218 jcm & #269 Poitiers-Lepanto-Mt. Gisors

Yes, I am beginning to wonder if---ahem!---melanin isn't the real issue here, and not religious belief or fairness in policing or whatever.

Certainly, when posters at GoV tried to defend Ali, using much the same arguments that the Baron and Dymphna are using to defend Vlaams Belang, i.e., she is on our side, we can't be that picky about who we ally ourselves with, she does share many of the same values we do, she's at least brave enough to speak out against the jihadis when a lot of others aren't---Baron & Dymphna just weren't having any. Nope, nope, nope, we gotta stand on our principles here! And yet they criticize Charles for having reservations about Vlaams Belang; doesn't he have the right to stand on his principles, and ask questions? And they are willing to extend all sorts of Vlaams Belang, BNP, et al, which they weren't about to give Ali----and with far less reason, that I can see. Whether you agree with everything she says or not, Ali's has been pretty upfront about her opinions, and what she stands for and what she doesn't. And, to my knowledge, she's never been part of a racist organization with questionable ties to a totalitarian past.

jcm, I do think it might be money, too---could be Dymphna and the baron are worried that their beloved Belang is going to lose funding, and have to disband. (A question: if the government is supporting these guys, how effective are they really going to be in combating pro-Moslem, pro-immigrant policies? We keep hearing that these groups are the only ones brave enough to speak up against the government; now it seems they're being supported by the government! And why can't they support themselves, if they're supposedly so popular, and speaking for so many disenfranchised whites? Why can't they cough up their own funding?)

Congrats, and good luck, with the new foster child!

356 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:21:41am

re: #340 Charles

re: #333 medaura18586

Good post, thanks. And by the way, '1389' is a code word for the ultra-nationalist Serb movement.

That explains the position of former commentor "1389" and his rather racial anti-Condi crappola.

357 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:22:56am

re: #353 Crusader Rabbit

re: #345 Owl


Charles, et al - can someone please nutshell the whole Seerb/kosovo thing for me? I have a Bosnian that works for me, and he's a nice guy - but very quiet. Like many, he was forced to serve and left as soon as he could for America. thing is, I'm ignorant on who the good guys are and who the bad guys are?

or are there good guys and bad guys in that conflict?

thanks.


I can give you the short form:
There were no muslims in the Balkans until the Ottomans commenced to rape the area in the 15th century.


Ok, but I'm so ignorant I don't know who is who. Are teh " Serbs" the non-muslims? God I feel stupid.

358 Dianna  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:23:48am

Wow. I read the post and listened to the podcast. I don't understand Dymphna's reactions at all.

And what's this slander about Charles having "revealed" Bat Ye'or's real name and keeping company with the NYTimes? What's this nonsense about Charles being prepped and primed by Belgian psyops? Good heavens, what is up with Dymphna?

359 cookielady  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:24:03am

re: #278 mama winger

re: #275 jcm


Got our new foster placement last night, 4 mo old with a broken leg, came from the hospital with a prescription oxycontin.

You must have a strong and brave heart, jcm. Oh my gosh. Such a tiny baby. I'm assuming the broken leg was from abuse? Can you give me the address of these people so I can go beat them with a pipe?

Mama, can I come, too? I'm sure I can scare up a baseball bat...
(mama bear mode)

360 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:25:41am

re: #333 medaura18586

re: #344 BrianA

It seems like the real source of radical politics in Europe is regional separatism -- VB is the Serbian Nationalists without guns and ETA without bombs. And both groups have been stirring up trouble since the middle of the nineteenth century, at least. Opposition to Islam is a new way of giving such groups greater credibility in the eyes of foreign observers. But their main goals have nothing to do with Islam, and nothing to do with "Europe" except to dismantle the EU and the current state structure.

The irony, of course, is that if Europe were to break up into myriad regional entities (Flanders, Wallonia, Holland, Zeeland, Luxemburg, Artois, Brabant, Ile-de-France, Normande, Bretagne, Alsace, Lorraine, Swabia, Franconia, Bavaria, Saxony, Thuringia, etc. etc. etc.) these petty states would need an over-arching European political structure for defense, economic policy, and foreign relations. In other words, far from constituting a reasonable opposition to the EU, regional separatism is a consequence of European union, since only under the umbrella of the EU could such petty states survive.

In other words, VB and co. are merely reinventing the Holy Roman Empire.

361 Josephine  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:26:35am

re: #328 Charles

Dymphna: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Baron Bodissey: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Pamela: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thank you. I've sent her an email with a link. I've never emailed her before so it might go into junk mail.

362 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:28:48am

re: #360 Lucius Septimius

In other words, VB and co. are merely reinventing the Holy Roman Empire.

And it will be neither "Holy", nor "Roman", nor an "Empire".

363 Crusader Rabbit  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:29:07am

re: #357 Owl

re: #353 Crusader Rabbit


re: #345 Owl

Charles, et al - can someone please nutshell the whole Seerb/kosovo thing for me? I have a Bosnian that works for me, and he's a nice guy - but very quiet. Like many, he was forced to serve and left as soon as he could for America. thing is, I'm ignorant on who the good guys are and who the bad guys are?
or are there good guys and bad guys in that conflict?

thanks.


I can give you the short form:
There were no muslims in the Balkans until the Ottomans commenced to rape the area in the 15th century.

Ok, but I'm so ignorant I don't know who is who. Are teh " Serbs" the non-muslims? God I feel stupid.

While "Serb" is a nationality, today it is used with the implication that Serb = Eastern Orthodox. Likewise, not all Bosnians are muslim, but in modern parlance "Bosian" is used as a synonym for "muslim". Likewise "Kossovar" is used as a synonym for "muslim".

364 Crusader Rabbit  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:29:30am

Bosian = Bosnian

PIMF

gotta run

365 talon_262  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:29:34am

re: #349 fhilliard

As long as I'm still not banned here, I'll say this: Gates of Vienna, Dymphna, Fjordman and Baron Bodissey have my full support. Their outstanding contribution to the anti-Jihadist cause are beyond reproach. Europe is in the actual first stages of civil war; barracking from the sidelines about ideological purity is counter productive.

What would be helpful, on the other hand, is contributing in the real world by joining right-wing political parties, taking part in anti-Jihadist conferences and going public with anti Islamic protests.

I will not get in bed politically with those who side with racial purists of any stripe...liberty, freedom and equality should be for everyone, not just for the "right people". While I detest Islamism, I will never capitulate and scour the intellectual gutter for allies, even if I and those who feel like I do about this subject are outmanned and outgunned. What use is fighting the approach of a Islamist caliphate along with WN bums if you sell your soul to do it?

No fascists in my foxhole, damnit!

366 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:29:38am

re: #362 Honorary Yooper

re: #360 Lucius Septimius

In other words, VB and co. are merely reinventing the Holy Roman Empire.

And it will be neither "Holy", nor "Roman", nor an "Empire".

As Voltaire said ...

367 realwest  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:29:39am

Um Charles - as you know, I'm a retired lawyer and Professor of Law but I'd gladly come out of retirement and represent you, pro bono, against these mofo's should they ever try to sue you.
Just letting you know you've got free legal help here if you should need it.

368 TalkinKamel  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:29:47am

#291 Honorary Yooper

I find it extremely disturbing, Yoop! Though I did get a good laugh out of the comments accusing LGF of supporting Ron Paul. . . (snort, snicker, chortle).

Sodra Djavul certainly is a. . . piece of work, isn't he/she? I'm afraid Sodra, and those like him/her, are going to become even more disturbing, as time goes on, and they feel more and more free to express how they truly feel. (Gawd, the Baron and Dymphna do love to go on and on about their Irishness, don't they? I mean a lot of us Irish Americans do, but those two seem to take it a bit too seriously. . . )

369 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:31:16am

re: #260 Claire

Where do you get rose petals from? Rose Hips?

370 cookielady  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:31:32am

re: #330 Owl

She can go straight to hell. Confederates might not have been on the right side of all things historical, but they were not Nazis........

Damn why do we always get dragged into every little hate-filled infested groups arguments for their own vile existance.

Oh, dear. Surely you don't mean by this that you consider yourself a Confederate? Or do you equate Confederate with Southern U.S. citizen?

371 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:31:37am

re: #206 TalkinKamel

I really am beginning to wonder why Dymphna and the Baron are so emotionally invested in Dewinter and crew. Are they close, personal friends? Did Dewinter donate a kidney to one of them? Threaten to protect them from the vast, BelgianLizardoid Conspiracy? What?

I hate to keep harping on the Hirsi Ali thing, but it provides such a contrast to their current championing Dewinter and Vlaams Belang. When the controversy about Ali remaining in the United States, and getting protection, was going on, Dymphna claimed that Ali was underserving of any special security because, after all, she had made a movie insulting Islam, and those who go looking for trouble shouldn't be surprised when it comes. She also pretty much stated outright that Ali was unworthy of support because she wasn't Christian, and had secular ideas (which makes one kind've wonder about what Dymphna's idea of a good society is; an Irish/Catholic theocracy, no unbelievers allowed?)

The Baron then weighed in, claiming that, since our government can't protect everybody, it's really unfair to protect individuals with security services, since it can't guarantee protection for everyone.

Go figure.

I find this extremely disturbing myself, on the most baseless and crass of observations one might conjecture...

1) Hirsi Ali is NOT WHITE...
2) Hirsi Ali is NOT CHRISTIAN...
3) Dymphna scorns taking sides with a Non-White, Non-Christian against Islamic extremists...
4) VB, DeWinter and Swedish Democrats are White Nationalists...
5) Dymphna has no problem accepting assistance from White Nationalists against Islamic extremists...

While on it's face this may present a pro hock emptor logic fallacy, recent activity by Dymphna makes it extremely difficult to not draw the obvious inferences from the above data set.

372 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:32:01am

thanks so much.

re: #364 Crusader Rabbit

373 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:32:02am

re: #340 Charles

re: #333 medaura18586

Good post, thanks. And by the way, '1389' is a code word for the ultra-nationalist Serb movement.

WHAT?!

(I'm saying that alot, recently).

Is that why '1389' was banned?

374 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:32:21am

You are a great guy real.

375 cookielady  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:35:37am

Gotta go. Love to lizards far and near.

Keep your frills up.

376 Dead Sea Squirrel  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:35:51am

re: #302 JamesTKirk

re: #291 Honorary Yooper

I find this a little disturbing from GoV...

"Historians have tentatively identified at least two current political leaders in the above photos. In the top photo, the boy who is second from the left (in the back) appears to be Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI). In the bottom photo, the seventh child in the fifth row back is thought to be none other than Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA). Citizens should demand that the leadership of our country be cleansed of former proto-Nazis. There is no place in public office for anyone with this kind of stain on his or her record."

Well, I can't say that I argue with Carl and Teddy being kicked out of public office; but other than that, this is deranged.



Just to keep the record straight, the Baron intended that as satire.
It fell flat with a number of his posters too, and he's had to explain that it's a spoof.

377 jcm  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:36:04am

re: #359 cookielady

re: #278 mama winger

re: #275 jcm


Got our new foster placement last night, 4 mo old with a broken leg, came from the hospital with a prescription oxycontin.


You must have a strong and brave heart, jcm. Oh my gosh. Such a tiny baby. I'm assuming the broken leg was from abuse? Can you give me the address of these people so I can go beat them with a pipe?

Mama, can I come, too? I'm sure I can scare up a baseball bat...
(mama bear mode)

Me too.
Fortunately just caring for them consumes time and energy enough that I don't think too much about the abusers, just focus on the kid.

Most of my ire is saved for the absolutely dysfunctional bureaucracy in WA state that is responsible for watching out for kids.

378 TalkinKamel  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:37:27am

#349 fhilliard

Fhil, as long as I'm drawing breath, I'm going to ask questions, and I'm not going to regard any group or person as "beyond reproach", no, not even the illustrious Lizard King Charles IV himself!

When you start seeing your leaders as being "beyond reproach", or having some sort of absolute moral authority, that's when you start getting in trouble. No human being rates that sort of blind obedience.

And why is it right-wing groups we're supposed to join? What's so helpful about them? Why not freedom loving groups, or democratic groups or Jewish groups or those who oppose Islam on religious grounds, or atheists, or secular humanists? Why do you guys keep talking as if the right, and ONLY the right, are our only saviors in this conflict? Why do you keep arguing as if there are only two sides to this question?

If the choice is between either the jihadists, or Vlaams Belang, I'm checking "None of the above."

379 marwan's daughter  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:37:56am

re: #328 Charles

Dymphna: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Baron Bodissey: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Pamela: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Now I think you have a good excuse to ban Dymphna and Bodissey, just like you did with Mr. F-bomb.

380 marwan's daughter  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:41:39am

re: #368 TalkinKamel

#291 Honorary Yooper

I find it extremely disturbing, Yoop! Though I did get a good laugh out of the comments accusing LGF of supporting Ron Paul. . . (snort, snicker, chortle).

Sodra Djavul certainly is a. . . piece of work, isn't he/she? I'm afraid Sodra, and those like him/her, are going to become even more disturbing, as time goes on, and they feel more and more free to express how they truly feel. (Gawd, the Baron and Dymphna do love to go on and on about their Irishness, don't they? I mean a lot of us Irish Americans do, but those two seem to take it a bit too seriously. . . )

He/she once said in the Lounge that his/her hero was Vlad the Impaler. That kind of raised the hairs on the back of my neck.

381 Dianna  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:41:48am

re: #333 medaura18586

Thank you for that perspective, particularly since you're there.

382 TalkinKamel  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:42:49am

#371 doriangrey

Yes, I'm sorry to say it, but I have to agree with you. Recent activity does indicate that Dymphna has no problem at all with nominally Christian white nationalists, but doesn't approve of Black feminist atheists, and that shse's really mad at Charles, and a lot of other people, because they just aren't going along with her agenda.

383 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:43:41am

re: #378 TalkinKamel

Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV -- one of my personal heroes. (but I don't think he ever owned a Schwinn Fastback).

384 talon_262  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:45:59am

re: #376 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #302 JamesTKirk

re: #291 Honorary Yooper

I find this a little disturbing from GoV...

"Historians have tentatively identified at least two current political leaders in the above photos. In the top photo, the boy who is second from the left (in the back) appears to be Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI). In the bottom photo, the seventh child in the fifth row back is thought to be none other than Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA). Citizens should demand that the leadership of our country be cleansed of former proto-Nazis. There is no place in public office for anyone with this kind of stain on his or her record."

Well, I can't say that I argue with Carl and Teddy being kicked out of public office; but other than that, this is deranged.



Just to keep the record straight, the Baron intended that as satire.
It fell flat with a number of his posters too, and he's had to explain that it's a spoof.

Something was hinkey about the Baron's post to me, but he played it so straight, it was a little hard to tell whether it was satire or not. If it was, then I retract my earlier comment on the subject, but it still doesn't make them any less a bunch of blockheads for supporting VB/SD and other like minded fools.

385 TalkinKamel  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:46:00am

#380 marwan's daughter

Haw! My hero, Baldwin IV, the Leper King will impale his silly ol' Vlad any day of the week! (And twice on Sundays!)

(Seriously, yes; truly creepy. And we must get used to this, because, I'm telling you guys, as they begin to feel safe, they're going to be more and more confident about exposing their true selves. It ain't gonna be pretty.)

marwan's daughter, really like your nic, by the way.

386 medaura18586  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:46:06am

re: #345 Owl

Charles, et al - can someone please nutshell the whole Seerb/kosovo thing for me? I have a Bosnian that works for me, and he's a nice guy - but very quiet. Like many, he was forced to serve and left as soon as he could for America. thing is, I'm ignorant on who the good guys are and who the bad guys are?

or are there good guys and bad guys in that conflict?

thanks.

There are no great guys in that conflict. The last post on my blog talks about just how devoid of ideology Europe is in general. All the players in all European conflicts are ethnic-nation-states, each founded on supremacist ethno-centrism, sublimated to various degrees into more backward or less backward forms. But in the end it's all about one's Britishness/Germannes/Frenchness/Serbness/Albanian ness,... whatever each of those mean. They don't mean much....

The problem is that while all European states define their cultural identities in more-or-less nationalistic terms, some countries take that to the extreme. Slavic countries have been notorious for this: Russians are starving still today, but all they care about is not falling from their Cold-War-Era position of world relevance. And they see relevance/self-esteem in tribalistic terms of being the alpha-country bringing down the house (continent) and putting the other inferior little farts in their place (Russia historically loves bullying the Czech, Polish ect).

Serbia is Russia's mini-me and protege. Its playground is the Balkans.

Serbs came to the Balkans around the 6th-7th century A.D and they were nothing but primitive hordes from the East-Asia. They fought and repelled the indigenous Christian Albanian and Greek populations, whose territories shrunk quite considerably as a result of the Slavic invasion.

They adopted the religion and most of the customs of the locals, but the very tribalistic undertones of their culture are still dominant to this day. They were not touched by the Enlightenment or Aristotelian Philosophy: just primitive tribes that adopted Christianity at face value, and prevailed through the use of brutality and sheer numbers.

They are obsessed with bullying their neighboring nations, or ethnically cleansing them, or otherwise make them their subordinated vassals. The creation of the artificial country of Yugoslavia served many of their purposes: basically they stripped the locals (non Serbs) of most of their civil rights, made it hard next to impossible for them to attend universities (through quotas), start their own businesses (through permits), or be civil servants (through sheer discrimination in public hiring policies). They imposed greater taxes on them, didn't let them speak their own language or teach it to their children in school (schools were state controlled), and basically just acted like modern feudal lords.

Once in a while, when the indigenous populations (Croats, Bosnians, Slovens, Albanians) would protest, they would go on insane ethnic-cleansing sprees.

The Serbs were the bad guys, or worst guys at least, because they were the ones in a position of dominance and they got off on terrorizing everyone else. They are taught ethnic hatred and Slav supremacy early as kids, so their entire society is largely indocrtinated.

As far as the Muslim thing goes, about Albania/Kosovo, it is true that the Albanians are at least nominally, of Muslim majority. However, the conversion to Islam happened largely for symbolic purposes: The Greeks and the Serbs had always harbored territorial ambitions toward ethnic Albania, and throughout centuries, it became clear that the fate of the nation might depend on convincing the then Great Powers (UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Russia) to basically not tear us up into little pieces to throw to their regional vassals/proteges (Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria).

387 J.S.  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:47:21am

re: #357 Owl

Many Serbs are Orthodox Christians and they passionately despise Islam/Muslims. (Most times, you'd not want to bring up the topic of Islam when speaking with a Serb).

In the Balkans, originally, you had a group of Christians (but they were heretical -- they called themselves the Bogomils). For centuries the Bogomils were persecuted by Christians. Then the Ottoman Turks came. In the fifteenth century the Bogomils converted to Islam. The first time you get a major Islamic group within the heart of Christian Europe...(Bosnia was the stronghold of the Bogomils.)

388 TalkinKamel  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:48:35am

#383 Lucius Septimius

Well, even if he never owned a Schwin Fastback, I'll bet he would have loved having one if they made them back them!

(And Charles IV would make short work of Vlad too!)

389 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:48:41am

re: #373 wahabicorridor

re: #340 Charles


re: #333 medaura18586

Good post, thanks. And by the way, '1389' is a code word for the ultra-nationalist Serb movement.


WHAT?!

(I'm saying that alot, recently).

Is that why '1389' was banned?

It had a little more to do with certain racial slurs he was calling Condi Rice. A little while after his banning, I took a look at his blog, and he had a very ugly, rather racist, rather sexist cartoon of Condi on it.

390 Dianna  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:49:16am

re: #353 Crusader Rabbit

But during the 90's, in case you didn't notice, the Serbs were the aggressors.

391 Charles  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:51:14am

re: #389 Honorary Yooper

I think you're confusing '1389' with 'sheik yer'mami'.

392 Owl  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:51:31am

re: #370 cookielady

re: #330 Owl


She can go straight to hell. Confederates might not have been on the right side of all things historical, but they were not Nazis........

Damn why do we always get dragged into every little hate-filled infested groups arguments for their own vile existance.


Oh, dear. Surely you don't mean by this that you consider yourself a Confederate? Or do you equate Confederate with Southern U.S. citizen?

Let me first tell you what I'm not....

I am not racist.
I am not a skinhead.
I am not a white supremacist.
I am not a Nazi.


There are people in the north and south that don't know a damn thing about Confederate values, principles and issues. We're Southern Confederates right about slavery? Of course not. No way in hell. There is NO EXCUSE for what people did to other human beings for the sake of free labor. It makes me sick to my stomach thinking about it. Were they right on States' Rights'. I believe so. Were they justified in their move away from the Union of the " united states?" I believe so.

Am I a "Confederate?" That's like asking someone if they're a dinosaur.

Would I have sided with my State or the Federal government in a war for the right of my State to govern itself as it sees fit?

Without a doubt.


Slavery was the most horrible things involved in the reasons behind teh Civil War, but it was not the only thing. And I do not believe that it was the only reason they were fighting for the right to govern themselves.

If there was a war today, wherein the federal government marched into my state and tried to take away the citizens' rights, force people to conform to laws and policies that they did not believe in, and force the State to follow along as the Federal government ran roughshod over Liberty and Justice, you can have no doubt for which entity I would shoulder arms.

I'm not anti-American, but Liberty cannot bear a tyranical federal government without a cost, and I believe we are paying that cost today in so many, many ways.


Let the flaming begin.

393 Charles  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:53:30am

'1389' refers to the Battle of Kosovo in which the Serbs were defeated by the Ottomans. It's a kind of battle cry for modern Serbian nationalists.

394 medaura18586  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:53:40am

re: #345 Owl

No one cared to know of Albania, its history, its ethnic origins and whatnot, so the best way to stand out was to adopt Islam, especially since in those times ethnicity and religion were largely interchangeable in the eyes of the self-important Great Powers who wouldn't be bothered learning the details and subtleties of these small Balkan's nations' histories and identities.

That's all there is to it. Albanians have never ever taken Islam any more seriously than the political foreign-policy scheme it was. And actually, after communism, more than an entire generation had been raised under strict secularism. That was enough to break the chain of passing on Islam, even in the watered-down version it was being practiced to begin with.

Islamic sentiment had nothing to do with the Kosovo crisis, although that's how it was portrayed by the media during the 1999 crisis. I see many more veiled women in Canada than in Albania.

But the Serbs want to use the overall lack of information about Albania, this small obscure country held in isolation for over 50 years, to try to paint it with Jihadist colors. The country has serious problems, those are cronyism, corruption, lack of understanding of how Capitalism works and how to embrace it properly, but most Albanians are the worst Western-wanna-be people you'd ever meet, especially the youth, a lot of them are actually ashamed of their Islamic past, and they adore America.

....don't know if you remember the way they greeted W Bush

395 Fish-Man  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:54:17am

Someone made a great point above, which is that we are talking far too much about everything but the issue, which is, I believe, 'Is VB a racist organization?' And I think, of late, conservatives, in desiring limits to immigration and proper assimilation of new peoples, have been more than a few times accused of racism unfairly. As for the racism of VB, it is hard to prove, but the circumstantial case here looks damning.

I'd like it if we didn't post any more on this, unless it was more evidence one way or the other that directly bears upon the racism argument. I don't see this as a family squabble, because it is an important issue for global conservatives. But what is going on in the blogosphere does have some elements of a squabble. People are operating on hearsay and things are getting blown out of proportion. The 'threats' seem pretty mild (She'll post something? Call her lawyer? Please.) A Bot is not DOS. People are talking about what they don't understand, technologically, politically, and in many other areas. ...Paranoia need not rule the day. Let's all take a deep breath, and try and ignore the next five outrageous accusations.

p.s. Charles, the spellcheck toy is great. I continue to be impressed by this blog, and the intelligence of the code you engineer into it.

396 gman  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:55:05am
Andrew Bostom is disgusted. He was the one who sent me the hat tip on the American Thinker essay suggesting that Charles had been taken in by Belgian intel psyops. He probably was: he had information up and ready to go instantly. Charles was prepped and prepared. I was blindsided by his hostility and refusal to discuss any of it. It was Charles’ way or the highway.

The Flemish don’t know who Charles Johnson is and they don’t care. He can neither hurt them or help them and they are trying to free their country. He’s simply another American who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. The Walloons and the rest of the socialists in the Belgian Parliament can harm them and that is the center of their concern. The Walloons don’t want to surrender their welfare assistance, which is largely supplied by the more industrious and creative Flemish. They will hang onto the golden goose even if they have to wring its neck to do so...


Dymphna's comments are very revealing. Her paranoia about Belgian black psyops (Belblops?) and the "Flemish are more industrious and creative"- stereotyping speak volumes about her irrational chain of reasoning.

I am not an expert on the Walloons, but is she saying they are a non- industrious and non- creative people? What a bunch of bullshit!

397 medaura18586  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:56:39am

re: #381 Dianna

I was there until I was 17, which is 4 and a half years ago... I've been living in the US and Canada since, but I visit every year, and my memories are very fresh

398 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:58:47am

re: #396 gman

As I said up above, she's clearly "gone native" and completely embrace the cause of Flemish separatism.

399 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 10:59:02am

Lunchtime:

Beer-battered Moby filets, with a side of Troll chips and Kos-slaw.

And for desert? GoV White Chocolate Mousse.

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