9-11

The truth is kryptonite to these people.

If progress can be measured by how loud your adversary howls in protest, this is a good sign.

Would they like some cheese with that whine.

Doesn't Mark Steyn get sued by these guys, and their equivalents in other countries, every time he writes anything about terrorists?

Human Rights Commissions? that pretty much says it all. PC is killing the western world

UWisconsin rescinds jizya security fee for ANTI-jihad "Jihad speaker";

Jihad speaker draws concern

A controversial speaker invited by a University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee student group drew national attention this week after the group was initially charged an extra security fee to hold the event.

UWM’s Conservative Union invited former Palestinian Liberation Organization member Walid Shoebat to speak in a lecture titled “Why I Left Jihad” Dec. 4... Dirkse said he received an e-mail from university officials Thursday evening saying the university will be dropping the $1,700 security fee, allowing the group to cover Mr. Shoebat’s honorarium and helping the Conservative Union’s finances, Dirkse said.

“You’re going to get people who don’t like his ideas or feel threatened, but this is the first time I’ve ever had to pay for security and I’ve helped plan over 10 events,” Dirkse said.

Badger Herald invites comments here.

WTMJ exposes the MSA intimidation campaign;

Shut Up, they explained

The Muslims at UWM feel that their safety will be in danger if
the above mentioned event takes place on the UWM campus. We ask the UWM Administration to cancel the event due to these circumstances for the safety and comfort of the students. We take such an event as a direct attack on us and will hope the university will ask the sponsoring organizations to discontinue the program. You can reach us at our office at xxx if you have any further questions or to schedule a meeting to discuss this further.

We appreciate any efforts in this case.

Sincerely,
Mohamed ElSayed
President
Muslim Student Association

"... until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

When you read that article, it sounds to some people [like] there’s an attack from the ‘Muslim’ world against the ‘non-Muslim’ world.

Funny- I get that same feeling when I read the koran.

CAIR-CAN is going to have to go piss up a rope --
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms:

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
a) freedom of conscience and religion;
b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
d) freedom of association.

God Bless Mark Steyn for laying out the truth, and good job Maclean's for publishing the article despite the hostility directed at critics of islam.

To the devil with the CIC.

CAIR-CIC are just Islamic Silencers and the thought police of George Orwells future which is right now.

The battle has begun

Good for Steyn. I predict another surge in sales for the book in Canada.

Can they get their heads any deeper into the sand? *sigh*

On a side note, that book sounds interesting. I might look into it some more.

Political Correctness is treason.

I hear the lawsuit was filed in the Sudan.

Speech about killing Jews would never be contested by CAIR/CIC.

In flagrante Islamophobic?

A new position in Canada?

Sounds kinky.

Does it leave Steyns?

Yo Faisal -

Please - pray tell - show me where the Muslim and Non-Muslim world touch each other and there is NOT conflict of one sort or another. Thank you, that is all.

-S-

and Maclean’s is confident that the Human Rights Commissions will find no merit in the complaints.

Yeah, uhm, I'm not nearly as confident.

re: #15 Dave the...

I hear the lawsuit was filed in the Sudan.

yes, by Theodore Bear

I guess I'm flagrantly Islamophobic, too. I like my freedom. I like breathing. I'm not a fashion junkie but I'm not interested in wearing a black bag, either. I like driving, drinking, dogs and I don't believe in forcing our military to handle the Koran with gloves. Except if they want to, of course. I could go on and on, but you get my drift.

"... it sounds to some people [like] there’s an attack from the ‘Muslim’ world against the ‘non-Muslim’ world. "

No,it's an ONGOING ATTACK by Muslims against the non-Muslim world.

" We take real issue with that type of characterization ..."

I take a real issue with people who stick their heads in the sand and pretend that there is not an ongoing attempt by radical members of Islam to wipe all "infidels" (Christians & Jews) off of the face of the Earth.

Mark Steyn gets it and is a treasure. Who cares what CIC, CAIR, Islamofascists, various Eurotrash or the far left loons in academia, entertainment, government or the dinosaur desire ? A pox on all their houses.

Can jews sue the palestinian news papers over that entire "jews drink blood for passover" deal?

I love Mark Steyn! Now, if only he looked like Penelope Cruz I'd feel more comfortable with my feelings. NTTAWWT!

re: #9 Thanos

Canada doe snot really have freedom of speech. Just like the US had "freedom of speech" but outlaws child pornography, Canada has "freedom of speech" but outlaws insulting people's sexual orientation (or mental retardation, for that matter), and basically all of Europe outlaws holocaust denial. Not that I'm equating child porn with making fun of the mentally handicapped, but I think you get the point.

The US is the only country in the world with even a remote semblance of free speech. That's why Michael Savage's lawsuit against CAIR will probably get thrown out, and this CIC suit against Steyn will at least make it past the opening dismissal motions.

“When you read that article, it sounds to some people [like] there’s an attack from the ‘Muslim’ world against the ‘non-Muslim’ world."

Gee . . . I wonder where people would get that crazy idea from?

A lot of Canadians don't even know who Mark Steyn is. Of those who do, many don't seem to realize that Mark is himself a Canadian, although now he lives in New Hampshire (a move which yours truly has been thretening for some time now).

Contempt is the only rational response.

"... subjects Canadian Muslims to hatred and contempt,”

As if they needed any help with that.

re: #11 earth56

CAIR-CIC are just Islamic Silencers and the thought police of George Orwells future which is right now.

The battle has begun

Seeth and whine, whine and seeth. These folks lead such a structured life. But, there is no fun in islam, according to Kohemeni. And ya' know what? He's right about that one thing!
/"Be quiet! I keel you!"

re: #2 JammieWearingFool

The truth is kryptonite to these people.

And Mark Steyn is his own fusion reaction.

re: #28 Pro-Bush Canuck

A lot of Canadians don't even know who Mark Steyn is. Of those who do, many don't seem to realize that Mark is himself a Canadian, although now he lives in New Hampshire (a move which yours truly has been thretening for some time now).

To listen to Hill and crowd, Canada is a paradise.
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In Canada, we have 750,000 law-abiding Muslims,” he says.

And a few who would have blown up Toronto...but those guys are all alone together...right?

re: #13 Lumyrra

Me too. From the excerpt-

Sept. 11, 2001, was not "the day everything changed," but the day that revealed how much had already changed.

Yep.

It is truly amazing how angry some people get when the truth is revealed. Even with all their elaborate lies, they can't in the end counteract what's actually real and so they try to shut it down.

When will their followers (the leftists) take notice? Never.

re: #7 Terp Mole

UWisconsin rescinds jizya security fee for ANTI-jihad "Jihad speaker";

Jihad speaker draws concern
A controversial speaker invited by a University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee student group drew national attention this week after the group was initially charged an extra security fee to hold the event.

UWM’s Conservative Union invited former Palestinian Liberation Organization member Walid Shoebat to speak in a lecture titled “Why I Left Jihad” Dec. 4... Dirkse said he received an e-mail from university officials Thursday evening saying the university will be dropping the $1,700 security fee, allowing the group to cover Mr. Shoebat’s honorarium and helping the Conservative Union’s finances, Dirkse said.

“You’re going to get people who don’t like his ideas or feel threatened, but this is the first time I’ve ever had to pay for security and I’ve helped plan over 10 events,” Dirkse said.

Badger Herald invites comments here.

WTMJ exposes the MSA intimidation campaign;

Shut Up, they explained
The Muslims at UWM feel that their safety will be in danger if
the above mentioned event takes place on the UWM campus. We ask the UWM Administration to cancel the event due to these circumstances for the safety and comfort of the students. We take such an event as a direct attack on us and will hope the university will ask the sponsoring organizations to discontinue the program. You can reach us at our office at xxx if you have any further questions or to schedule a meeting to discuss this further.

We appreciate any efforts in this case.

Sincerely,
Mohamed ElSayed
President
Muslim Student Association

"... until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

The administration learned that trick from UW Madison. Meir Kahane was suppose to give a talk on campus about a week before he was killed. The UW forced the student group bringing him to campus to come up with some crazy amount of insurance. He did speak ( but was shouted down by the Leftwing student fascists) off campus.
The UW administration was very proud of the fact that it shut down a voice they disagreed with.

Here's the Steyn article in question: The Future Belongs to Islam.

From the Macleans link:

Faisal Joseph is the CIC's legal counsel on the matter. "In Canada, we have 750,000 law-abiding Muslims," he says. "When you read that article, it sounds to some people [like] there’s an attack from the 'Muslim' world against the 'non-Muslim' world. We take real issue with that type of characterization and the implications of it."

Huh? There have been innumerable attacks from the Muslim world against the 'non-Muslim' world. Where the hell has he been?

We have been scouted and all our freedoms are being used against us. It's odd how they miss the true essence of who we are. Exactly how far can we be pushed?

re: #19 greggish Why is that? I mean, why are you not so confident? I'm unfamiliar with Canada's HRC or it's laws and would appreciate an education on this matter.

re: #28 Pro-Bush Canuck Hey my friend, please see my #41 and see if y'all can help me out?
Thanks.

re: #26 wooga

Michael Savage's Complaint involves copyright infringement, which is serious business in either country. Mark Steyn's article involves demographic analysis.While it wouldn't raise an eyebrow here in the US, Canada has severe restrictions on "Hate Speech" which are broad and extremely vague.He really has an uphill fight on this!

...it sounds like there’s an attack from the 'Muslim' world against the 'non-Muslim' world

No, it not only "sounds" like it...there is!
Don't spit on my cupcake and tell me it's icing, either!

The article in question was published in Oct. of 2006. If they were so offended, why did it take so long to get around to saying anything about it?

Several points:
1) There are many Muslims who are not law-abiding (assuming it's still illegal to incite to violence and murder). We could go a long way towards solving the problem if we start listening to what they say, and arresting these criminals, punishing them, and then when they're done serving hard time, deporting them.

2) There are indeed law-abiding muslim citizens who fled to the US and Canada to get away from the wonderful living conditions in muslim lands. Their dilemma is that they can ether be good, law-abiding citizens or they can be good muslims; these are mutually exclusive. The koran is quite explicit in its commands to wage war against the infidels, murder apostates, etc.

3) While we can all wish for an islamic reformation movement, it would have to begin with an explicit rejection of violence, and explicit recognition of the rights of Jews', Christians', pagans', atheists', and even apostates' right to exist. They would have to write a new holy book that deleted and revised the koran extensively. These modifications would have to eliminate the discussions of how to beat women, taqiya, jizya, the "pigs and apes" clause, the concept of dar-al-islam, etc., etc. Obviously no true muslim would accept this. But this is the question for any muslim who says he wants to be a law-abiding.

re: #40 debutaunt Well down here, not so far, as our laws allow a defendant of any lawsuit to bring a counter claim (i.e., a lawsuit against the plaintiff) and thereby have rights to discovery and to examinations before trial, which are held under oath.
CAIR has had it's ass singed many time here in the US. They do seem to specialize in trying to INTIMIDATE those who would speak their own mind about Islam.

OT: The Associated Press and Yahoo News celebrate Hillary Clinton's brilliant, courageous leadership during yesterday's crisis: Clinton calm in hostage crisis. (Note that Yahoo news's URL for this story is "...clinton_hostage_leadership_6.")

When the hostages had been released and their alleged captor arrested, a regal-looking Hillary Rodham Clinton strolled out of her Washington home, the picture of calm in the face of crisis...Along with taking charge while giving the professionals free rein, Clinton offered up a third dimension to her crisis character: humanity.

I'm not saying she did anything wrong in this case... but did she actually do anything at all, other than calling the NH State Police to ask them what was going on? Was there any reason for her to be something other than calm, while she was relaxing in her DC mansion, while her staffers were being held hostage 500 miles away?

Could the AP just get it over with and change their name to "Hillary Clinton for President 2008 Public Relations Department"?

This is just one more example of what living in a PC world is about. It appears to me that Canada solved the problem of Islamic terrorism by making it illegal to say that anyone is a terrorist.

I read Mark Steyn's book "America Alone". Its very good; funny, smart and truthful. If Muslims can't deal with living in a free and open society, where, yes, your feelings might get hurt sometimes, then they need to find someplace else to live. I'm beyond tired of reading stories like this.

How come no one is suing Muslims for their hate speech?

re: #42 realwest

re: #28 Pro-Bush Canuck Hey my friend, please see my #41 and see if y'all can help me out?
Thanks.

Human Rights tribunals are unelected, quasi-judicial boards which have the power to destroy lives. Which they have done, repeatedly. They do not (yet) possess the ability to imprison people for though crimes, however they can and do have the power to levy harsh fines, and impose enforcable injunctions.

These things are straight out of Orwell's 1984.

A typical example is the traditional Christian who owned a small print shop. A group of gay activists went to his shop and demanded he print up a batch of repulsive homo posters for some disgusting specatcle they had planned. When he politely refused they took it to one of these HR boards and they hammered the poor man with fines and forced him to print the filth.

Yet another example of something the Nancy Pelosis of the world study carefully and approvingly when they visit Canada.

Be on your guard.

re: #42 realwest

re: #28 Pro-Bush Canuck Hey my friend, please see my #41 and see if y'all can help me out?
Thanks.

I suspect Irwin Cotler might have a thing to say about this. Anyway if there is any fear of Islam in the article it seems like a reasonable person would want to determine whether it was rational, factual, and contextual rather than irrational or phobic.

re: #38 Orde

Here's the Steyn article in question: The Future Belongs to Islam.

Thanks!

Flagrantly Islamophobic my ass. Phobia is an irrational fear of something simple or benign. Islamic-fascism's bloodthirsty march toward world domination should be feared. Loosing my freedom to a gang of insanely pious, backwards thinking head choppers is a scary thought.

Keep up the good work Mr. Steyn! You've got them on the run.

re: #26 wooga

re: #9 Thanos

Canada doe snot really have freedom of speech. Just like the US had "freedom of speech" but outlaws child pornography, Canada has "freedom of speech" but outlaws insulting people's sexual orientation (or mental retardation, for that matter), and basically all of Europe outlaws holocaust denial. Not that I'm equating child porn with making fun of the mentally handicapped, but I think you get the point.

The US is the only country in the world with even a remote semblance of free speech. That's why Michael Savage's lawsuit against CAIR will probably get thrown out, and this CIC suit against Steyn will at least make it past the opening dismissal motions.

Yes, I know that -- this is why Canada must fight against the Euro-centric multi-culti diminishment of their laws and get behind this case on the Steyn side. Protect your rights and your charter first, the rest comes easy.

re: #52 Pro-Bush Canuck

PIMF: though crimes = thought crimes

re: #48 Last Mohican Huh. She'd a been a heroine if she'd a gone up there and talked to the guy.
Staying home, calling the cops (for whom she otherwise has no use or respect) and watching it on TV is all bullshit. It sure as hell isn't LEADERSHIP.

re: #48 Last Mohican

Elephant in the room fact of the day!

re: #52 Pro-Bush Canuck Huh, is there any appeal to a COURT of the HR Tribunal decisions?
Doesn't the HR Tribunal have to follow Canadian law?

UWM MSA slings Islamophobia slur;

Islamophobia can end by education

I am using the term Islamophobia because American’s fear of Islam is based mainly on misconceptions about the religion. In no way does the religion itself discriminate against women or advocate killing innocent people as some claim. Americans need to understand the difference between cultural practices and Islam itself. People like Mr. Horowitz and Mr. Spencer serve to blur this distinction and generate Islamophobia...As a MSA board member, I would like to invite everyone to come learn about Islam from Muslims themselves...

Badger Herald invites comments here.

One has to get used to this strategy of using and abusing every legal tool offered by the Western civilisation on behalf of the individual. The strategy comes right out of the Al Qaeda manual and as good Moslems, these individuals are compeled to make good use of the offered advice from Mr BL et a

By the way, the Human Rights Tribunal (just the name makes my skin crawl) semi-successfully attempted to shut down Canada's only truly conservative news magazine, the Western Standard (for which Steyn was a columnist).

This too was the result of a complaint by an aggreived Mohammedan. These tribunals fund the complaintants side, but the target must pay their own legal bills. Since the Tribunal has unlimited funds, they can easily crush and destroy dissenting voices through the courts.

It is all truly evil and malignant.

As I said in a previous thread: KEEP YOUR GUNS!

And keep enough spares for us Canadians, who may need your help sooner than you think.

re: #52 Pro-Bush Canuck

A typical example is the traditional Christian who owned a small print shop. A group of gay activists went to his shop and demanded he print up a batch of repulsive homo posters for some disgusting spectacle they had planned. When he politely refused they took it to one of these HR boards and they hammered the poor man with fines and forced him to print the filth.

How does the government acquire the power to force an individual to do business with those who's business is unwanted?

ADDENDUM to my #60 - Pro-Bush Canuck - Thank you for trying to educate me on this.
This is so foreign and contrary to US Law it's as if Canada were a continent away.

People, such as these offended "Moderate Canadian Muslims" like to talk about how benevolent Islam is:

How can you infer that Islam is a hateful and warlike religion? We give you the respectable option of paying Jizya unless you are some horrible pagan. How can anyone say we are bad just because of a little tax?

First, it is not a little tax, nor is it painless to pay it. Islamic law requires the tax to be expensive enough to cripple one financially, forcing one to be second-class regardless of other factors.

Second, though one has the "protected" status of dhimmi, there is still no protection under the law for this person. Over a thousand years of Islamic court cases have shown the precedent that the dhimmi has no protection. If a Muslim wants my wife, my daughter, my son, my house, my land, my farm, my car, my horse or anything else, I have no legal recourse. I can go and complain to an Islamic judge, I can even bring Muslim witnesses who are willing to stand with a kafir against their fellow Muslim. Presumably, in such a case, given I have Muslim witnesses, the judge would favor the dhimmi-kafir over the Muslim. The Muslim who covets my family and possessions has one more trick to play that will trump everything done and said so far. All the Muslim has to do is say, "I heard he desired to become a Muslim." At that point I then become faced with the option of becoming Muslim or dying for insulting Islam. It has happened thousands of times. Many brave souls have died rather than join this cult, but many have succumbed to temptation and capitulated. If If become Muslim, I of course still win my case, but at the cost of my intellect, my soul, and all that I hold dear. If I refuse, I will almost certainly die, if not by court order, then by a lynch mob—and since the mob was defending the honor of Islam and only killed a kafir, they will not be punished.

re: #60 realwest

The Canadian judiciary is STACKED with leftist "activist" judges. Canada's "constitution" is only about 25 years old. Laws are made and changed faster than you can keep up.

Very un-American, but very much what the Democrats would like to see in the US.

And these tribunals work hand-in-glove with the "real" leagl system.

OT:

The Venezuela vote is tomorrow. Please be on the lookout for any L3 news wire "tests" involving headlines like "Chavez Referendum Passes by a Landslide".

OT: Some good news after the double whammy post-Annapolis shockers. The U.S. Withdraws Mideast Resolutions to UN Security Council yesterday after trying to pull a sneaky-deaky and submitting the Annapolis agreements resolution to the Security Council (!) without Israel knowing about it.. This whopper right after Rice had announced appointing retired former NATO Supreme Allied Commander, Georgetown Univ School of Foreign Service grad, James Jones as most powerful man in the world Special Middle East Security Envoy and adviser for monitoring the Palestinian security services, compliance, etc.

re: #63 Pro-Bush Canuck Doesn't Canada have lawyers (or maybe they're called solicitors/barristers) who would defend someone like Steyn for free?
Have Courts in Canada ever overturned a Tribunal's decision?

re: #64 Shaky Louie

re: #52 Pro-Bush Canuck

A typical example is the traditional Christian who owned a small print shop. A group of gay activists went to his shop and demanded he print up a batch of repulsive homo posters for some disgusting spectacle they had planned. When he politely refused they took it to one of these HR boards and they hammered the poor man with fines and forced him to print the filth.

How does the government acquire the power to force an individual to do business with those who's business is unwanted?

Because Canadians gave up the right to bear arms. Once that is gone the government can and will sieze all available power. Not like we haven't seen this a hundred times before.

re: #64 Shaky Louie

re: #52 Pro-Bush Canuck

A typical example is the traditional Christian who owned a small print shop. A group of gay activists went to his shop and demanded he print up a batch of repulsive homo posters for some disgusting spectacle they had planned. When he politely refused they took it to one of these HR boards and they hammered the poor man with fines and forced him to print the filth.

How does the government acquire the power to force an individual to do business with those who's business is unwanted?

If we let the Democrats be a majority in Congress and live in the White House, we'll find out soon enough.

re: #7 Terp Mole

We take such an event as a direct attack on us

Seems to me they are admitting that they are terrorists.

OT 7 million in cash and checks stolen..what if anything can you do with the stolen checks?

Robert Spencer put it well;

Want to end Islamophobia? End violent attacks committed by Muslims in the name of Islam. I guarantee that Islamophobia will then vanish utterly.

10,000+ Deadly jihadist attacks since 9/11 don't lie

re: #68 jasonkct

Comment reported to Charles.

re: #71 realwest

I and many other people donate to these causes, but these tribunals are backed by the government, which can tie these things up indefinitely and drive up millions in legal fees.

Believe me, my friend, the Left is capable of true evil and it is very close to home.

We do NOT have freedom of speech in Canada.

re: #62 boazhorribilis

One has to get used to this strategy of using and abusing every legal tool offered by the Western civilisation on behalf of the individual. The strategy comes right out of the Al Qaeda manual and as good Moslems, these individuals are compeled to make good use of the offered advice from Mr BL et a

This tool is not based on the rights of the individual. It's based on group protection, and there lies its flaw.

re: #75 hayseed

OT 7 million in cash and checks stolen..what if anything can you do with the stolen checks?

Use them to light the crackpipe, of course.

re: #74 ciaospirit

We take such an event as a direct attack on us

Seems to me they are admitting that they are terrorists.

Once again, you crystalized my thoughts.

re: #61 Terp Mole

In no way does the religion itself discriminate against women or advocate killing innocent people as some claim.

You were right to italicize "innocent". It's doublespeak. Muslims determine who's innocent and it is very different from our definition of innocent.

Rice's malicious scheming.

Seems she may even have pissed off her boss.

re: #77 victor_yugo

re: #68 jasonkct

Comment reported to Charles.

Ditto

I have seen others post news stories completely off-topic before in posts like this. So tough.

Well... we'll see if Canada has free speech or not. I'm guessing they don't. I expect Candian courts will prioritise the tender feelings of muslims over any idea of freedom to critcise their barbaric behaviour.

re: #77 victor_yugo

What are you, the freakin' 'taste' policeman?

Pro-Bush Canuck & Mandy Manners...
That is so fuck'd up and scary!
Defend your Second Amendment rights, America! And DO NOT let the Demons live in the W.H.

Look on the bright side. If Steyn is run out ft Canada, maybe he'll become an official and permanent American.

And the brain drain continues. As well as the freedom drain.

See you folks later, going to a recital to hear my baby girl's progress on the guitar.

re: #86 Maine's Michael

Uh, did you read the entire #68?

re: #78 Pro-Bush Canuck I just can't begin to express my sorrow at how ignorant I am of Canadian law and "customs". And I can't believe how sad I feel for Canada.
But - they didn't do this by taking away your guns, they did it by convincing a majority of Canadians to vote for them - either the politicians or the laws or both.
And these left wing mofos are absolutely relentless.

re: #82 ciaospirit

re: #61 Terp Mole

In no way does the religion itself discriminate against women or advocate killing innocent people as some claim.

You were right to italicize "innocent". It's doublespeak. Muslims determine who's innocent and it is very different from our definition of innocent.

Exactly right. You can only be "innocent" in muslim parlance if you are a muslim male.

re: #84 jasonkct

Oh, my. Aren't you charming.

re: #85 Crusader Rabbit

Well... we'll see if Canada has free speech or not. I'm guessing they don't. I expect Candian courts will prioritise the tender feelings of muslims over any idea of freedom to critcise their barbaric behaviour.

Canada most certainly does NOT have free speech. It is illegal to utter "hate speech" in Canada, and the definition of what consititutes such speech is open for leftist judges to decide.

Not just Canada! Most of the world is like this. Only the US is really free, and that is slipping daily as the Democratic Party moves far to the Left of even most Canadians.

re: #77 victor_yugo

me too

re: #68 jasonkct
Don't eat the brown snow.

re: #88 razorbacker

Look on the bright side. If Steyn is run out ft Canada, maybe he'll become an official and permanent American.

And Canadians will continue to get the truth from him via the Internet.

re: #83 Maine's Michael

complete with Zalmay Khalilizad seal of approval!

Hmmm, first Michael Savage, now Mark Steyn, stalking out of Daniel Pipes speach. Looks like free speach is in the crosshair of these tolerant Islamists. Of course, we must be tolerant of their intolerance.

re: #93 Pro-Bush Canuck
The single biggest enemy of free speech in America today is John McCain.

I don't understand the workings of the Canadian legal system. What power does the HRC have in this case? If they agree with the jihadists, can they do anything more than shake their head and wag their finger? Can they act unilaterally to have Steyn censored? Or can they bring a lawsuit to try to censor him? If so, I wish there were some way I could contribute to Maclean's legal defense.

re: #99 Crusader Rabbit

re: #93 Pro-Bush Canuck
The single biggest enemy of free speech in America today is John McCain.

Campaign finance law?

Faisal Joseph
"When you read that article, it sounds to some people [like] there’s an attack from the ‘Muslim’ world against the ‘non-Muslim’ world. We take real issue with that type of characterization and the implications of it..." [Mr. Steyn failed to mention that we kill Muslims too Faisal continued. It's not really against non-Muslims, we hate everybody]”

Fixed it for 'im.

-- Drill

re: #61
UWM MSA slings Islamophobia slur;

Islamophobia can end by education
I am using the term Islamophobia because American’s fear of Islam is based mainly on misconceptions about the religion. In no way does the religion itself discriminate against women or advocate killing innocent people as some claim. Americans need to understand the difference between cultural practices and Islam itself. People like Mr. Horowitz and Mr. Spencer serve to blur this distinction and generate Islamophobia...As a MSA board member, I would like to invite everyone to come learn about Islam from Muslims themselves...

Badger Herald invites comments here.

With all due respect to your great religion, islamophobia is caused not by a lack of education of Americans, but rather several thousand actual acts of islamofacist terrorism. Trying to convince sane people that the huge throngs of rioters in the Sudan who want to behead a 54 year old school teacher for the crime of naming a teddy bear Mohamed, (something for which I would accuse her of bad taste,) are actually a small fringe minority of the ROP, is futile, an insult to intelligence, and even laughable. As far as not discriminating against women or outsiders, your own scholars have recently ordered a rape victim to 200 lashes, issued fatwas of death to cartoonists who disagree, and advocated genocide of westerners.

re: #96 victor_yugo

re: #88 razorbacker

Look on the bright side. If Steyn is run out ft Canada, maybe he'll become an official and permanent American.

And Canadians will continue to get the truth from him via the Internet.

What REALLY scares me is the knowledge that the Canadian government attempted to clamp down on all inforation on the Internet Chinese style via the draconian CRTC. The ONLY reason they desisted was that they could not figure out how to do this technically.

Had they prevailed, I would never, ever know LGF exists.

Starting to understand why I'm keeping a good stock of 12 ga. shells?

.

sounds to some people [like] there’s an attack from the ‘Muslim’ world against the ‘non-Muslim’ world

That would be unbelievable.
As if they called one the House of peace and the other the House of war...

re: #38 Orde

That is one scary article!

re: #84 jasonkct

re: #77 victor_yugo

re: #68 jasonkct

Comment reported to Charles.

Ditto

I have seen others post news stories completely off-topic before in posts like this. So tough.

I think it was the last line people object to, not the rest.

re: #100 Last Mohican
I see RCMP's raiding McCleans' offices to enforce shari'a.

I've come to believe that the Canadian constitution IS a suicide pact.

re: #83 Maine's Michael Um yeah, you may be correct there, but then again the source is Debka so I'd give it a day or two.
I also don't understand Israel's stance, talk etc. regarding this conference. Why is Olmert going at all?
It's EXTREMELY unlikely that the US would, in an election year, back off of it's support for Israel, especially when, apparently even faced with tons of evidence, Washington has done NOTHING about Iran.

re: #99 Crusader Rabbit

re: #93 Pro-Bush Canuck
The single biggest enemy of free speech in America today is John McCain.

That and hate crime legislation -- you can see the effect of protected status for groups vs. individual rights in Canada with the Steyn trial, and in Europe. Hate crime and hate speech laws are fundamentally un-American and tear at our liberties. The intent of the Canadian Charter of Rights is clear - it protects the sovereign, free, individual from the tyranny of the majority. Those rights have been usurped by the tribunal.

As much as I dislike the mission, methods and madness of Vlaams Blok, the Belgian courts were entirely wrong to rule against them.

re: #50 crusader1145

I read Mark Steyn's book "America Alone". Its very good; funny, smart and truthful. If Muslims can't deal with living in a free and open society, where, yes, your feelings might get hurt sometimes, then they need to find someplace else to live. I'm beyond tired of reading stories like this.

i agree. mark steyn is brilliant and has an amazing lol sense of humor. i bet he will use this to his advantage. i put my money on him. (is he an american citizen btw, anybody know?)

re: #76 Terp Mole

Robert Spencer put it well;

Want to end Islamophobia? End violent attacks committed by Muslims in the name of Islam. I guarantee that Islamophobia will then vanish utterly.

10,000+ Deadly jihadist attacks since 9/11 don't lie

But they can't! To do so would fly in the very face of their false god/ religion of hate and war. To reject the mandate to kill all the unbelievers and spread the word of allah, and slavery to allah by the sword, would be to reject Islam.

Any Muslim not out there killing Jews and unbelievers through jihad, ain't "living the principle", ain't following the unholy Q'uran, and are themselves at risk of being judged worthy of death by the more devout, because of it.

They gotta have someone to hate and kill or the whole shame religion falls apart.

It be gone.

re: #101 MandyManners

re: #99 Crusader Rabbit

re: #93 Pro-Bush Canuck
The single biggest enemy of free speech in America today is John McCain.

Campaign finance law?

Yes, a law that prohibits private citizens from public communications about candidates within 90 days of an election.

Uninformed choices are not choices.

Thanks John, you suck.

re: #98 Filala

Hmmm, first Michael Savage, now Mark Steyn, stalking out of Daniel Pipes speach. Looks like free speach is in the crosshair of these tolerant Islamists. Of course, we must be tolerant of their intolerance.

Tolerance of intolerance is the new tolerance
/read the memos, people

Not just the post but the poster.

re: #26 wooga

re: #9 Thanos

Canada doe snot really have freedom of speech. Just like the US had "freedom of speech" but outlaws child pornography, Canada has "freedom of speech" but outlaws insulting people's sexual orientation (or mental retardation, for that matter), and basically all of Europe outlaws holocaust denial. Not that I'm equating child porn with making fun of the mentally handicapped, but I think you get the point.

The US is the only country in the world with even a remote semblance of free speech. That's why Michael Savage's lawsuit against CAIR will probably get thrown out, and this CIC suit against Steyn will at least make it past the opening dismissal motions.

I know it was a typo...but they are usually the best rotating titles!

re: #99 Crusader Rabbit Huh?

"When you read that article, it sounds to some people [like] there’s an attack from the 'Muslim' world against the 'non-Muslim' world. We take real issue with that type of characterization and the implications of it."

Interesting choice of words- "real issue". To the unenlightened or dhimmi it would appear they are offended because islam is a religion of peace.

To the enlightened, however, it is an entirely different take. They are offended because someone dared speak the truth. I realize this is taqiyya, but I still have to say I find it humorous. Perhaps faisal should take "real issue" with his holy book and the implications of it.

re: #114 Crusader Rabbit

I don't like candidate signs/rallies near the voting booth.

“When you read that article the news, it sounds to some people anyone awake [like] there’s an attack from the ‘Muslim’ world against the ‘non-Muslim’ world. We take real issue with that type of characterization and because we don't want people to address the implications of it.”

Fix'd.

WTG Stinky, there's plenty of room for the juveniles at Fark and Digg.

OT:
The First Day of Christmas

re: #120 MandyManners
That was already covered by federal election law and nothing to do with the McCain-Feigold screw the first amendment act.

re: #70 Orde

OT: Some good news after the double whammy post-Annapolis shockers. The U.S. Withdraws Mideast Resolutions to UN Security Council yesterday after trying to pull a sneaky-deaky and submitting the Annapolis agreements resolution to the Security Council (!) without Israel knowing about it.. This whopper right after Rice had announced appointing retired former NATO Supreme Allied Commander, Georgetown Univ School of Foreign Service grad, James Jones as most powerful man in the world Special Middle East Security Envoy and adviser for monitoring the Palestinian security services, compliance, etc.

* * *
This was our ambassador to the UN, (Afghan-born Sunni) Zalmay Khalilzad's idea~ same Khalilzad who met George Soros for lunch in New York this week.
I'm so disappointed as an American administration official he would try to undermine Israel, after he seemed to have been so helpful to our country in Afghanistan/Iraq.

I don't believe the Human Rights (!) commission has ever found anyone not guilty as charged.

They remind me of the glory days of the Spanish Inquisition.

I apologize for attempting to find any humor in that grossness. re: #116 MandyManners

re: #101 MandyManners

re: #99 Crusader Rabbit

re: #93 Pro-Bush Canuck
The single biggest enemy of free speech in America today is John McCain.

Campaign finance law?

I always felt that that was indicative to how he thought- try to shut down any reporting outside the msm.

re: #115 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #98 Filala

Hmmm, first Michael Savage, now Mark Steyn, stalking out of Daniel Pipes speach. Looks like free speach is in the crosshair of these tolerant Islamists. Of course, we must be tolerant of their intolerance.

Tolerance of intolerance is the new tolerance
/read the memos, people

Addendum:
Intolerance of intolerance of intolerance is the new, approved, intolerance.

re: #72 Pro-Bush Canuck

Because Canadians gave up the right to bear arms. Once that is gone the government can and will sieze all available power. Not like we haven't seen this a hundred times before.

Totally agree! Makes me want to go buy another gun , just thinking about it.

[bigoted word]s - Seethe, riot, kill, threaten, bomb, stone, rape, whine, lie, sue, seethe (twice because they really like to seethe), sneak, hide behind women and children, etc. What is the problem? They are just like the Mormons in Utah, right? Or the Baptists in the south? I know, they are like the Amish in WI! No? How about the Catholics all around? We do that don't we? Ah yes, I've got it! It's the evil Buddhists Monks that are like them! No? Nothing to fear from the [bigoted word]s as they are THE "ROP". We need new ROE's to deal with the ROP or we will RIP.

OT: Zainab Bint al-Harith
[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]
The Shunning of Israel
By Phyllis Chesler November 30, 2007

At the recent Annapolis meeting, behind closed doors, up close and personal, the assembled Arab foreign ministers refused to shake hands with Tzipi Livni, Israel's Foreign Minister. She asked her Arab counterparts, especially her Saudi counterpart, why they did not want to shake hands with her. "I am not plague-ridden" Livni said. According to the Dutch minister, all the Arab ministers backed away from her as if "she were Dracula's sister". (These details are contained in both the Washington Post and Guysen International News).

My friend and colleague, Dr. Nancy H. Kobrin, had only three, chilling words for me about this: "Zainab Bint al-Harith." That is the name of the Jewish woman long alleged in Muslim lore to have poisoned the prophet Mohammed.

Described in Wiki but not by name:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Not much of an excuse, "cooties" is more convincing.

re: #104 Pro-Bush Canuck Uh, I'm sorry my friend, but you alone can't protect your rights no matter how extensive and well loaded your personal armament may be. Shotguns vs. .50 cal machine guns is, frankly, a no win situation for the shotgun owner.
You need MUCHO more people who feel the way you do - oranganized and able to communicate without using land line or cell phones - and MUCH better equipped for it.
Just sayin...and pray to God that it never, ever, comes to that - in Canada or here in the US.

Thanks for the heads-up, Mandy. I had a comment ready, but now no need to post it.

And thanks for the civility, Charles.

re: #104 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #96 victor_yugo

re: #88 razorbacker

Look on the bright side. If Steyn is run out ft Canada, maybe he'll become an official and permanent American.

And Canadians will continue to get the truth from him via the Internet.

What REALLY scares me is the knowledge that the Canadian government attempted to clamp down on all inforation on the Internet Chinese style via the draconian CRTC. The ONLY reason they desisted was that they could not figure out how to do this technically.

Had they prevailed, I would never, ever know LGF exists.

Starting to understand why I'm keeping a good stock of 12 ga. shells?

yeah but at the same time i love the fact that downloading tv shows is not illegal in canada

re: #123 Crusader Rabbit

re: #120 MandyManners
That was already covered by federal election law and nothing to do with the McCain-Feigold screw the first amendment act.

Color me ignorant. What does McCain-Feingold prohibit?

re: #116 MandyManners

Not just the post but the poster.

Although talk here gets racy sometimes, some comments are objectionable to almost everyone.

I was typing and then decided I'm just self-deleting myself now and I'm going Christmas shopping.

Have a good day all!

CAIR's position is consistently: "We Arabs/Moslems are good people, but your thoughts, expressions, and actions continually push us to the brink."

It's clear that CAIR is positioning itself as the American Jihad Central waiting for the right time to give the word to "750,000 law-abiding Muslims" in Canada and millions of "law abiding" US Muslims that their patience with us is at an end.

Liberals, also waiting for The Word; either don't consciously recognize the similar anti-US(The West) position or tacitly agree that it's good to have an ally against their enemy.

re: #126 debutaunt

I admit I snickered.

re: #104 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #96 victor_yugo

re: #88 razorbacker

Look on the bright side. If Steyn is run out ft Canada, maybe he'll become an official and permanent American.

And Canadians will continue to get the truth from him via the Internet.

What REALLY scares me is the knowledge that the Canadian government attempted to clamp down on all inforation on the Internet Chinese style via the draconian CRTC. The ONLY reason they desisted was that they could not figure out how to do this technically.

Had they prevailed, I would never, ever know LGF exists.

Starting to understand why I'm keeping a good stock of 12 ga. shells?

Buckshot and rifled slugs make a 12 gauge shotgun a formidable weapon.

re: #122 Thanos

WTG Stinky, there's plenty of room for the juveniles at Fark and Digg.

OT:
The First Day of Christmas

I like that.

re: #127 NYexpat

re: #101 MandyManners

re: #99 Crusader Rabbit

re: #93 Pro-Bush Canuck
The single biggest enemy of free speech in America today is John McCain.

Campaign finance law?

I always felt that that was indicative to how he thought- try to shut down any reporting outside the msm.

He did seem to be the MSM's golden boy for a long time.

re: #134 pegcity

re: #104 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #96 victor_yugo

re: #88 razorbacker

Look on the bright side. If Steyn is run out ft Canada, maybe he'll become an official and permanent American.

And Canadians will continue to get the truth from him via the Internet.

What REALLY scares me is the knowledge that the Canadian government attempted to clamp down on all inforation on the Internet Chinese style via the draconian CRTC. The ONLY reason they desisted was that they could not figure out how to do this technically.
Had they prevailed, I would never, ever know LGF exists.

Starting to understand why I'm keeping a good stock of 12 ga. shells?

yeah but at the same time i love the fact that downloading tv shows is not illegal in canada

I assume you're joking. Illegal downloading is a direct attack on the free market. The music industry in particular has totally botched the whole online thing, but the people who champion unlimited downloading of copyrighted content are communists, plain and simple.

re: #139 MandyManners

re: #126 debutaunt

I admit I snickered.

Funny how when someone says "colorful language" it really means yellow and brown.

re: #140 Muadib

Buckshot and rifled slugs make a 12 gauge shotgun a formidable weapon.

I have both. Not even sure the slugs are legal here any more, but until I hear otherwise...

re: #132 realwest

re: #104 Pro-Bush Canuck Uh, I'm sorry my friend, but you alone can't protect your rights no matter how extensive and well loaded your personal armament may be. Shotguns vs. .50 cal machine guns is, frankly, a no win situation for the shotgun owner.
You need MUCHO more people who feel the way you do - oranganized and able to communicate without using land line or cell phones - and MUCH better equipped for it.
Just sayin...and pray to God that it never, ever, comes to that - in Canada or here in the US.

Just remember that anything can be a weapon and a surprise attack can often trump a great advantage. Still, my guns are safe—for now.

re: #129 missouri boy

re: #72 Pro-Bush Canuck

Because Canadians gave up the right to bear arms. Once that is gone the government can and will sieze all available power. Not like we haven't seen this a hundred times before.

Totally agree! Makes me want to go buy another gun , just thinking about it.

Makes me wanna' go hug my .44. I think I will.

re: #103 flyovercountry re: #61 UWM MSA slings Islamophobia slur;

With all due respect to your great religion, islamophobia is caused not by a lack of education of Americans, but rather several thousand actual acts of islamofacist terrorism.

But, but, but... the taqiyalope continued...

Islam’s detractors wrong on Quran

Attacks on Islam have been escalating over the last few years... I’ve had it with these attacks, and as a Muslim, I feel compelled to set the record straight... I’m sick of these critics, who know next to nothing about the Quran, making such statements without presenting their proof. I’m also sick of how the rest of us seem to take those statements as fact and leave them unquestioned...

UWM-MSA invites comments here.

re: #70 Orde

OT: Some good news after the double whammy post-Annapolis shockers. The U.S. Withdraws Mideast Resolutions to UN Security Council yesterday after trying to pull a sneaky-deaky and submitting the Annapolis agreements resolution to the Security Council (!) without Israel knowing about it..

What does Condi think this is, some kind of tea party?

re: #147 MandyManners

re: #129 missouri boy

re: #72 Pro-Bush Canuck

Because Canadians gave up the right to bear arms. Once that is gone the government can and will sieze all available power. Not like we haven't seen this a hundred times before.

Totally agree! Makes me want to go buy another gun , just thinking about it.

Makes me wanna' go hug my .44. I think I will.

Mandy in her 6Ps hugging a big 'ol magnum... There's an image for ya, boys!

:-)

re: #135 MandyManners

Among other things, for private citizens or private organisations to take out ads either pro or con a candidate within 60 days of a general election or 30 of a primary. (I said 90 above, that is in error).

Oh yeah, f---ing leftist-controlled labour unions are exempt from that prohibition.

re: #133 victor_yugo

8-)

I sent the following email to the Canadian Islamic Congress executives.

To The Canadian Islamic Congress

I think you need to be very careful about Human Rights Complaints. Claims can also be filed against you for:

Calling for the murder of Israelis
Calling all Jews Nazis
Claiming that Jews have an inherent and historical bent for violence.

All of these posts were written by your chair and posted on your website

re: #135 MandyManners

re: #123 Crusader Rabbit

re: #120 MandyManners
That was already covered by federal election law and nothing to do with the McCain-Feigold screw the first amendment act.

Color me ignorant. What does McCain-Feingold prohibit?

Free speech in the form of curtailment of Advertising by soft-money PACs prior to election. The intent is to prevent "hit ads" like the chain dragging anti-Bush ad in days close to the vote.
It makes the assumption that Americans are not smart, and cannot see through propaganda when it appears, and it limits the abilities to derail a campaign on discovery of new information just prior to an election. Its intent is "anti-dirty-tricks" but its effect is to protect incumbents and limit speech.

.Mr. Steyn's article is about demographics and the 'long war'.

He is sounding a warning bell to the Western world, and we must not let the Islamofascists silence him.

'In June 2006, a 54-year-old Flemish train conductor called Guido Demoor got on the Number 23 bus in Antwerp to go to work. Six -- what's that word again? -- "youths" boarded the bus and commenced intimidating the other riders. There were some 40 passengers aboard. But the "youths" were youthful and the other passengers less so. Nonetheless, Mr. Demoor asked the lads to cut it out and so they turned on him, thumping and kicking him. Of those 40 other passengers, none intervened to help the man under attack. Instead, at the next stop, 30 of the 40 scrammed, leaving Mr. Demoor to be beaten to death. Three "youths" were arrested, and proved to be -- quelle surprise! -- of Moroccan origin. The ringleader escaped and, despite police assurances of complete confidentiality, of those 40 passengers only four came forward to speak to investigators. "You see what happens if you intervene," a fellow rail worker told the Belgian newspaper De Morgen. "If Guido had not opened his mouth he would still be alive."
No, he wouldn't. He would be as dead as those 40 passengers are, as the Belgian state is, keeping his head down, trying not to make eye contact, cowering behind his newspaper in the corner seat and hoping just to be left alone. What future in "their" country do Mr. Demoor's two children have? ... '

re: #136 David IV of Georgia

re: #116 MandyManners

Not just the post but the poster.

Although talk here gets racy sometimes, some comments are objectionable to almost everyone.

It squicked me out.

re: #137 Canadian Infidel

You as well friend and enjoy!

no, no, no! it's not phobic when you have a rational fear of those who repeatedly profess a desire to kill you!

kirls

re: #103 flyovercountry

Well said!

re: #144 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #139 MandyManners

re: #126 debutaunt

I admit I snickered.

Funny how when someone says "colorful language" it really means yellow and brown.

Ick.

re: #149 itellu3times

re: #70 Orde

OT: Some good news after the double whammy post-Annapolis shockers. The U.S. Withdraws Mideast Resolutions to UN Security Council yesterday after trying to pull a sneaky-deaky and submitting the Annapolis agreements resolution to the Security Council (!) without Israel knowing about it..

What does Condi think this is, some kind of tea party?

See the link in #83 above. Condi's boss may have been the one who put the kebosh on this mendacity.

re: #150 Pro-Bush Canuck

LOL!

And another thing:

"the article subjects Canadian Muslims to hatred and contempt,”

“When you read that article"

O.K., How is this a human rights abuse? Is there any group of Muslims who are being FORCED to read Mark Steyn's article? And since when has this group shown any concern over the hate and contempt that their own people have for those who are not Muslim?

re: #145 Pro-Bush Canuck

Good to know that there are Canadians that believe in protecting freedom.

re: #153 naftalim

I sent the following email to the Canadian Islamic Congress executives.

To The Canadian Islamic Congress

I think you need to be very careful about Human Rights Complaints. Claims can also be filed against you for:

Calling for the murder of Israelis
Calling all Jews Nazis
Claiming that Jews have an inherent and historical bent for violence.

All of these posts were written by your chair and posted on your website

Way to go!

re: #147 MandyManners

re: #129 missouri boy

re: #72 Pro-Bush Canuck

Because Canadians gave up the right to bear arms. Once that is gone the government can and will sieze all available power. Not like we haven't seen this a hundred times before.

Totally agree! Makes me want to go buy another gun , just thinking about it.

Makes me wanna' go hug my .44. I think I will.

Mandy...my latest gun purchase was a Thompson deluxe model...semi auto 45. The classic TommyGun. Very fun to shoot.

In attempting to trample upon Mark Steyn's rights to free speech in a democratic society, the Islamists seek to project the very lack of rights that are the hallmark of the lands and culture from which they come.

They keep it up and the shit is going to hit the fan.

re: #154 Thanos

Thanks for refreshing my memory!

re: #155 Tumulus11

.Mr. Steyn's article is about demographics and the 'long war'.

He is sounding a warning bell to the Western world, and we must not let the Islamofascists silence him.

'In June 2006, a 54-year-old Flemish train conductor called Guido Demoor got on the Number 23 bus in Antwerp to go to work. Six -- what's that word again? -- "youths" boarded the bus and commenced intimidating the other riders. There were some 40 passengers aboard. But the "youths" were youthful and the other passengers less so. Nonetheless, Mr. Demoor asked the lads to cut it out and so they turned on him, thumping and kicking him. Of those 40 other passengers, none intervened to help the man under attack. Instead, at the next stop, 30 of the 40 scrammed, leaving Mr. Demoor to be beaten to death. Three "youths" were arrested, and proved to be -- quelle surprise! -- of Moroccan origin. The ringleader escaped and, despite police assurances of complete confidentiality, of those 40 passengers only four came forward to speak to investigators. "You see what happens if you intervene," a fellow rail worker told the Belgian newspaper De Morgen. "If Guido had not opened his mouth he would still be alive."No, he wouldn't. He would be as dead as those 40 passengers are, as the Belgian state is, keeping his head down, trying not to make eye contact, cowering behind his newspaper in the corner seat and hoping just to be left alone. What future in "their" country do Mr. Demoor's two children have? ... '

Chickenshits.

But there IS an attack by the muslim world on the non-muslim world! Everyone knows it too! Well everyone but the left, who won't admit it.

re: #140 Muadib

Buckshot and rifled slugs make a 12 gauge shotgun a formidable weapon.

darn right! that's what mine is full of. alternating. 'cuz busting into kirly's house is like a box of chocolates...you never know what you're gonna get...shot with.

heh.

is that wrong?

re: #127 NYexpat

re: #101 MandyManners

re: #99 Crusader Rabbit

re: #93 Pro-Bush Canuck
The single biggest enemy of free speech in America today is John McCain.

Campaign finance law?

I always felt that that was indicative to how he thought- try to shut down any reporting outside the msm.

* * *
After footage of McCain's terrible treatment by the VietCong was televised on CBS or whatever networks in the 1960s, McCain has had a mutual admiration relationship with the "free" media that gives him so much free air time.

I believe McCain was adversarial to Rupert Murdoch's FOX News Corp in his Senate Commerce Committee Chairman days. But then, McCain's best friends in the Senate were former Colorado Senator Gary Hart, his best man at his wedding (yes, Hart of the "Monkey Business" boat & adulterous relationship with Donna Rice), and John Kerry, plus Hollywood's Warren Beatty of "Bullfeathers" the movie about presidential wannabees. So McCain's friends tend to be wealthy liberals with whom he shares a sense of superiority over regular working folk. McCain and his mother/family's sense of entitlement & royalty (Navy royalty, some fawning writers call them) are threatened when upstarts and non-establishment or non-moneyed folks want to be heard.

So GO ARMY, beat McCain's royal media minions

re: #154 Thanos

re: #135 MandyManners

re: #123 Crusader Rabbit

re: #120 MandyManners
That was already covered by federal election law and nothing to do with the McCain-Feigold screw the first amendment act.

Color me ignorant. What does McCain-Feingold prohibit?

Free speech in the form of curtailment of Advertising by soft-money PACs prior to election. The intent is to prevent "hit ads" like the chain dragging anti-Bush ad in days close to the vote.
It makes the assumption that Americans are not smart, and cannot see through propaganda when it appears, and it limits the abilities to derail a campaign on discovery of new information just prior to an election. Its intent is "anti-dirty-tricks" but its effect is to protect incumbents and limit speech.

Good analysis.

Of course, CIC doesn't care if they win their suit, their object is to cost the publisher money and scare off anyone else who is contemplating publishing Mark Steyn's work. Hate speech laws are fundamentally incompatible with the right of free speech. Even if they included a "looser pays" provision they would still be helping to destroy freedom.

St. Raymond nonnatus had his lips padlocked by the Muslims because he converted many to Christianity with his impassioned preaching.

Raymond made such progress in the religious life that he was soon considered worthy to succeed his master in the office of ransomer. He was sent to Algiers and liberated many captives. When money failed he gave himself as a hostage. He was zealous in teaching the Christian religion and made many converts, which embittered the Mohammedan authorities. Raymond was subjected to all kinds of indignities and cruelty, was made to run the gauntlet, and was at last sentenced to impalement. The hope of a greater sum of money as ransom caused the governor to commute the sentence into imprisonment. To prevent him from preaching for Christ, his lips were pierced with a red-hot iron and closed with a padlock.

[Link: www.newadvent.org...]

this lawsuit against Steyn is part of the modern attempt by Muslims to silence the truth-speakers

re: #171 Kirly

re: #140 Muadib

Buckshot and rifled slugs make a 12 gauge shotgun a formidable weapon.

darn right! that's what mine is full of. alternating. 'cuz busting into kirly's house is like a box of chocolates...you never know what you're gonna get...shot with.

heh.

is that wrong?

That's good. That's the way it should be.

re: #169 MandyManners

re: #155 Tumulus11

.Mr. Steyn's article is about demographics and the 'long war'.

He is sounding a warning bell to the Western world, and we must not let the Islamofascists silence him.

'In June 2006, a 54-year-old Flemish train conductor called Guido Demoor got on the Number 23 bus in Antwerp to go to work. Six -- what's that word again? -- "youths" boarded the bus and commenced intimidating the other riders. There were some 40 passengers aboard. But the "youths" were youthful and the other passengers less so. Nonetheless, Mr. Demoor asked the lads to cut it out and so they turned on him, thumping and kicking him. Of those 40 other passengers, none intervened to help the man under attack. Instead, at the next stop, 30 of the 40 scrammed, leaving Mr. Demoor to be beaten to death. Three "youths" were arrested, and proved to be -- quelle surprise! -- of Moroccan origin. The ringleader escaped and, despite police assurances of complete confidentiality, of those 40 passengers only four came forward to speak to investigators. "You see what happens if you intervene," a fellow rail worker told the Belgian newspaper De Morgen. "If Guido had not opened his mouth he would still be alive."No, he wouldn't. He would be as dead as those 40 passengers are, as the Belgian state is, keeping his head down, trying not to make eye contact, cowering behind his newspaper in the corner seat and hoping just to be left alone. What future in "their" country do Mr. Demoor's two children have? ... '

Chickenshits.

everyday these thugs work on perfecting the art of intimidation. it's infuriating. we need alittle less talk and alot more action.

re: #143 Pro-Bush Canuck

I assume you're joking. Illegal downloading is a direct attack on the free market. The music industry in particular has totally botched the whole online thing, but the people who champion unlimited downloading of copyrighted content without permission are communists, plain and simple.

Fixed it for ya.

Radiohead retains the copyright for the music that they put on their website a few weeks ago, but they gave explicit permission to download it.

Creative Commons explains it well.

Sure glad we're allowed some kind of freedom of speech here in the US; forget all that in European countries, and now, it appears, in Canada. What else will keep the rascals from SHUTTING EVERYONE UP and MANIPULATING THE PUBLIC DISCOURSE? Sucks to be Europe. Sucks to be Canada.

re: #174 Socratease

Absolutely correct. It doesn't matter if Steyn wins. In spending thousands to defend his free speech rights, he's already lost. No one will be able to afford to publish him.

There's a similar situation across the pond, where libel laws stopped the publication of an important book about the funding of Islamic terror.

America alone, indeed.

Canada, being superior to the U.S. in every way, is more advanced in the important process of submission to Islamic law.

In this photo, taken recently in a public restroom in Canada, you'll note that the Canadians have invented a text-free international symbol for "Islamic footwashing station." This is helpful, because it spares Muslim immigrants the indignity of having to learn your language, as they follow Allah's will in imposing sharia upon your country.

/Sarc with a capital S

From Steyn's article:

By "demographic," I mean the Muslim world's high birth rate, which by mid-century will give tiny Yemen a higher population than vast empty Russia.

Hmmm...couldn't we put something in the water supply to sterilize?

Here's campaign finance for them, but not you: WashPost supporting Democrats to the tune of millions by urging illegals to register & vote in the 2008 elections--but all said in Spanish.

Washington Post publishes and gives away at Metro stations "El Tiempo Latino" FREE--a spanish language publication edited by open borders advocate Mr. Avendano whose wife is a leftist union official of some sort in the DC area.

The Time is Now
[Link: www.eltiempolatino.com...]

re: #178 victor_yugo

Correct, of course.

CC licenses, etc. are all perfectly fine.

It's the illegal aspect -- the flouting of the law -- and the massive anti-capitalist bias that I am concerned about.

re: #131 itellu3times

I am very glad that the Arabs at Annapolis - especially the Saudis - are refusing to shake the hands of the Israelis. As a Jew, I would be mortified if one of my co-religionists had to touch the creepy, nauseating flesh of barbaric savages who get their kicks from torturing rape victims and sawing off people's heads.

re: #124 alegrias

I'm so disappointed as an American administration official he would try to undermine Israel, after he seemed to have been so helpful to our country in Afghanistan/Iraq.

A Muslim, first and foremost. Being an American is quite secondary.

re: #103 flyovercountry

Thanks for that link.

Here is my comment, just posted:

The author of this this column is typical of Islamist apologists as well as an unmitigated liar. Rather than examine his own religion or culture, he blames Robert Spencer, David Horowitz and (of course) Fox News for the fact that Americans may have a negative image of Islam.

First, the term "Islamophobia" is, in and of itself, an abuse of the language. It implies that being distrustful or fearful of a murderous ideology is a medical condition or some form of mental illness, akin to a fear of spiders, that could be cured with the right medication.

Is that British teacher in the Sudan guilty of "Islamophobia," as she sits in protective custody, hoping that she might actually make it out of the country alive? Does she need medication, or a visit to a therapist?

The author wants to blame Fox News? I would submit that murder of 3000 Americans a few years ago on a clear Tuesday morning by those who claimed to be doing it in the name of Islam might have had something more to do with it. I suspect that the images of the Twin Towers collapsing has had a far greater impact than the writings of Robert Spencer or David Horowitz.

The author states:

"In no way does the religion itself discriminate against women..."

Oh really? Ask that rape victim in Saudi Arabia who faces the lash, or the girl in Iran who was hanged after fighting off her rapist.

Ask the women in Afghanistan, who were forced to walk the streets covered from head to toe.
Ask a woman in Saudi Arabia for her driver's license.
Ask those victims of "honor killings" in the UK and Europe and then talk to me about "cultural traditions."

He states" ...or advocate killing innocent people as some claim.":
Oh really?

Ask that British teacher in the Sudan as bloodthirsty mobs waving swords and clubs call for her death over a teddy bear.

Ask the parents of those Israeli teenagers blown to pieces by a Palestinian suicide bomber at a Sbarro pizza place.

Ask the 2500 people in Thailand who have been murdered by the jihad in last 2 1/2 years.

Ask Theo Von Gogh, murdered by a Muslim over a movie.

Ask those Danish cartoonists, if you can find them.

Ask Rushdie, if you can find him.

Ask that [non-Catholic] Christian priest who was shot in the back in the West Bank to avenge a speech by the Pope.

If you wonder "why do they hate us," look in the mirror, my young friend. Turn on your TV and wonder what it is about your religion and its cultures that seems to generate monthly spectacles of mobs of angry, seething, armed men to take to the streets, waiving weapons and threatening people with death.

Where is your shame?

Finally, instead of trying to stifle free speech, shout down those whom you disagree with or engage in name-calling, I suggest you or someone from your group agree to engage in an actual debate with Robert Spencer, free from sloganeering and false victimization. If you can refute his arguments, more power to you. Until then, we will believe what we can see for ourselves, all too well, each and every day.

Complaints were submitted to Human Rights Commissions in B.C. and Ontario on the grounds that “the article subjects Canadian Muslims to hatred and contempt,” according to a CIC press release. In the release, the CIC labels Steyn’s article as “flagrantly Islamophobic.”

Faisal Joseph is the CIC’s legal counsel on the matter. “In Canada, we have 750,000 law-abiding Muslims,” he says. “When you read that article, it sounds to some people [like] there’s an attack from the ‘Muslim’ world against the ‘non-Muslim’ world. We take real issue with that type of characterization and the implications of it.”

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Gee whiz, they think “the article subjects Canadian Muslims to hatred and contempt”? Actually, any news-reading Westerner would be quite rational to question the motives of ANY (not just Canadian) Muslims. If these fee-yoo-kers don't want us to think "there's an attack from the Muslim world against the non-Muslim world", perhaps some of those ever-so-holy mullahs in the Muslim world might possibly try to RESTRAIN their terrorists and keep them from planning attacks on us non-Muslims in our own countries?

But, instead, I keep reading how the mullahs/muftis/imams preach death and dismemberment on Fridays, then after the sermons their devout followers race out of the mosques seething and rioting, brandishing machetes and guns. Presumably on Saturday these holy ones sip their coffee and grin as they see the photos and news articles about how their pet savages did their "religious duty".

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Someone might want to point out to the CIC that if you don't want to be THOUGHT of as doing "xyz", you may have to actually REFRAIN from doing "xyz".
(Dang. Bet that could really cramp your style, huh, guys?)

A quick read of the Koran, which I suggest you do sober and with no weapons nearby, is all you need do to confirm the worst.

I am fed up with these muslim grievance theaters...

re: #88 razorbacker

Mark Steyn and his family live in N.H.

So it is against the law to be afraid of Muslims? I thought that is what Muslims strived for. To have everyone fear them.

The moderate Muslims are those who've run out of ammo...

re: #181 Last Mohican

Canada, being superior to the U.S. in every way, is more advanced in the important process of submission to Islamic law.

In this photo, taken recently in a public restroom in Canada, you'll note that the Canadians have invented a text-free international symbol for "Islamic footwashing station." This is helpful, because it spares Muslim immigrants the indignity of having to learn your language, as they follow Allah's will in imposing sharia upon your country.

/Sarc with a capital S

I dunno, I think that sign means, "Pee here, muslims put their feet in this."

re: #130 VegasRick

Muslims - Seethe, riot, kill, threaten, bomb, stone, rape, whine, lie, sue, seethe (twice because they really like to seethe), sneak, hide behind women and children, etc. What is the problem? They are just like the Mormons in Utah, right? Or the Baptists in the south? I know, they are like the Amish in WI! No? How about the Catholics all around? We do that don't we? Ah yes, I've got it! It's the evil Buddhists Monks that are like them! No? Nothing to fear from the Muslims as they are THE "ROP". We need new ROE's to deal with the ROP or we will RIP.

My God, they sound just like Commie Fascist Liberal Socialists, when you put it that way.

re: #64 Shaky Louie

How does the government acquire the power to force an individual to do business with those who's business is unwanted?

There are laws in the US that force you to hire someone that you may not want to hire, if the employee is a member of a legally privileged group (including female, disabled, non-white, non-Christian, etc.) There are laws that force owners of "quasi-public property" (retail stores) to tolerate tresspassers and either force them to display multicultural stuff at holiday time or forcibly prevent them from displaying their preferred traditional stuff at holiday time.

It goes on and on. Once you accept that the government has a legitemate right to stop "discrimination", PC-multiculturalism is the logical end.

I've got this on my site. I've covered Mohamed Elmasry who is the head of the Canadian Islamic Congress behind this stunt before too. He has talked about suing other people for criticism of Islam before, and he was a supporter of the sharia courts in Ontario.

re: #197 Kafir Canada

These people who run CAIR are related to Al-Qaeda. I have no doubt about it.

This seriously has to be fought, and in a way that costs CAIR-CAN lots of money. The problem in Canada is that the judges are very likely to be extremely left wing, even by Canadian standards. Look at the former chief of the Canadian supreme course Louis Arbour!

This way of attacking speech using the human rights complaint system, which is not really judicial, and is even MORE biased than regular court system. An attack on a large Canadian Website, FreeDominion.com is occurrin in this manner

[Link: www.freedominion.ca...]

If this goes outside the court system, but to a so-called "human rights commission", it would be judged by the worst "ACLU" type people. I hope MacLeans and Steyn fight it to the hilt, for if they lose or cave, we have just take the first step down a very very very slippery slope.

re: #198 winston06

re: #197 Kafir Canada

These people who run CAIR are related to Al-Qaeda. I have no doubt about it.

Actually CAiR is a front group for the militant Islamic Brotherhood.
The Islamic Brotherhood has been around for a long time, going back to WWI and the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Saddam Hussein had ties to these bastards.

For all the seething and screeching about half-baked Jewish conspiracy theories they are so fond of, it's really the Muslims who are conspiring across all levels of organization.

At my school, the University of Waterloo in Ontario, the Palestinian Student Organization hosts some interesting events. The last one I attended was a speech by an allegedly Christian Palestinian, a former judge in Egypt (great justice system they have there) who was openly praising Hezbollah as a great grass-roots organization, and called for Canada to boycott Israel. I know the latter is becoming an increasingly fashionable trend, but, Hezbollah? In the light of day? I thought I was in a twilight zone. If a man has ever needed deportation, this was the guy!

The audacity of these fascists is puzzling. Openly preaching terrorism in university campuses, yet they have the guts to anyone who brings up any hints about them.

word omission: yet they have the guts to sue anyone who brings up any hints about them.

I saw Mark Steyn give a talk this week just outside Philly. He got a richly deserved standing O. He is an honorary lizard in my book. Right up there with the cream of the crop - Charles, Michelle, John Howard, Bolton, MEMRI, etc - in the ideological battle with rad Islam.

re: #72 Pro-Bush Canuck

How does the government acquire the power to force an individual to do business with those who's business is unwanted?

Because Canadians gave up the right to bear arms. Once that is gone the government can and will sieze all available power. Not like we haven't seen this a hundred times before.

I've never understood this argument. In the US, we have the right to keep and bear arms, and yet we have taxes, labor law, licensure law for everyone from hair sylists to doctors, etc, etc, etc. Is this an argument for shooting government employees and cops?

If so, it's an argument for anarchism!

Another example of the soft jihad being waged. It is probably more effective than the physical, terrorism kind that gets all the press.

re: #187 Darwin Akbar

First, the term "Islamophobia" is, in and of itself, an abuse of the language. ...

... I would submit that murder of 3000 Americans a few years ago on a clear Tuesday morning by those who claimed to be doing it in the name of Islam might have had something more to do with it.

I agree.

And confirmed by the images of cheering happy crowds all over dar-al-islam. They were #$*!ing joyous to see the Twin Towers fall in fire and death!

Good luck with that "Commission" up there in canuck land. I'm really certain that the "commissioners" will strive for the TRUTH
HEH !

re: #52 Pro-Bush Canuck

Also, if the Canadian Human Rights Commission takes someone's case, that person's or group's legal bills are paid by the CHRC (meaning Canadian taxpayers). This means there is no financial barrier to these types of complaints.

The person or group that is "sued", however, has to pay their own legal bills, regardless of the outcome of the case.

re: #208 Josephine

Oops, sorry Pro-Bush Canuck, I see you stated that in #63.

re: #199 June_July

I'm pretty sure I read that the woman who lodged the complaint withdrew it the following day. The commission failed to note this and sent letters to the website owner saying it was investigating whether or not to take the case. It took a while for the whole mess to get straightened out but there was no hearing.

re: #181 Last Mohican

Canada, being superior to the U.S. in every way, is more advanced in the important process of submission to Islamic law.

In this photo, taken recently in a public restroom in Canada, you'll note that the Canadians have invented a text-free international symbol for "Islamic footwashing station." This is helpful, because it spares Muslim immigrants the indignity of having to learn your language, as they follow Allah's will in imposing sharia upon your country.

/Sarc with a capital S

Where was this photo taken?

Time to bring home Louise Arbour - she'll find him guilty soon enough.

I think we should start taking up a collection for Mr. Steyn. I have a feeling that the Human Rights Commission--Orwellian thought police bent on ensuring that Canadians acknowledge the clear pecking order of moral authority in the land ("victims" at the top of the totem pole; "victimizers" like Steyn, who shun political correctness and refuse to quaff the purple Kool-aid, at the very bottom)--is about to give him a rough and very costly (to him) ride.

This complaint strikes me as opportunistic. This article is an excerpt from a book published a year ago. It was only when a Canadian magazine published an excerpt that a complaint was filed with a "Human Rights" commission. Whatever that is.

Only when Mr Styen's work fell into the jurisdiction of one of these bogus commissions did this jihadi front group make their move.

This is a good example of why these fuzzy headed commissions are a bad idea.

FYI, the Ontario Human Rights Commission is headed by Barbara Hall, previously one of the most feckless, clueless mayors in Toronto's history--and believe me, that's saying something. Hall went down to defeat a while back, but, in an example of the Peter Principle in action, landed on her feet when she was promoted (or was it demoted?) to her level of incompetence.

re: #19 greggish

and Maclean’s is confident that the Human Rights Commissions will find no merit in the complaints.

Yeah, uhm, I'm not nearly as confident.

Me neither. It was the BC Human Rights Commission that decided that smoking is permissible in Muslim cafes but no others, and the Quebec Human Rights Commission that decided that the Ecole Polytechnique must provide prayer space for Muslim students. The HRCs are PC-enforcers.

re: #23 madmax517

Mark Steyn gets it and is a treasure. Who cares what CIC, CAIR, Islamofascists, various Eurotrash or the far left loons in academia, entertainment, government or the dinosaur desire ? A pox on all their houses.

Who cares? Well if Macleans loses the case, they will stop publishing articles like this. If Macleans loses, I expect that CAIR-CIC will go after Steyn's book, next. I care because it has a chilling effect on the people who are speaking the truth.

re: #193 medaura18586

The moderate Muslims are those who've run out of ammo...

That is funnnyyy!

re: #195 Dotcoman

re: #130 VegasRick

Muslims - Seethe, riot, kill, threaten, bomb, stone, rape, whine, lie, sue, seethe (twice because they really like to seethe), sneak, hide behind women and children, etc. What is the problem? They are just like the Mormons in Utah, right? Or the Baptists in the south? I know, they are like the Amish in WI! No? How about the Catholics all around? We do that don't we? Ah yes, I've got it! It's the evil Buddhists Monks that are like them! No? Nothing to fear from the Muslims as they are THE "ROP". We need new ROE's to deal with the ROP or we will RIP.

My God, they sound just like Commie Fascist Liberal Socialists, when you put it that way.

You are right! Oh, btw I meant to h/t Blazing Saddles on the twice dealy

That sounds like a really interesting book by Mr Steyn. I think I'll buy about 20 copies and have them shipped to CAIR.

Remember what I told you? Islamists best strategy would be turning against our civilization (Freedom of speech) using our weak points. In this case: the Canadian legal system. In our (Dutch) case: our naive tolerance and our inability by law to discriminate. Even against fascists calling themselves religious. You think you are safe, but you are so wrong. The States seem to have a overzealous obsession with fascism. Well: it is grinning you in the face and it just loves hearing some call fellow counterjihadi's fascists and racists and xeno- or islamophobics.

* your weakly message in a bottle from battleground Europe *

These commissions do not operate like courts. They are usually staffed by idiots with political agendas. As the appointments have usually come through the liberal governments that have had power for most of the past few decades, and as they are often given to to visible minorities who have axes to grind, they tend to extraordinarily PC to the point of insanity.

Here's who they are
[Link: www.ohrc.on.ca...]

There seem to be 14 commissioners. Two are politicially engaged muslims... I wonder what they will think. A few of others worry me as well with regard to their political and societal leanings, their "we are all victims" mentality. One was actually law clerk to Louise Arbour!

So, what do you think are the chances of a fair hearing?

Interesting, don't you think, 2/14 commissioners are Muslims? Are 15% of Ontarians muslim? I don't think so!

THIS is how we lose a nation.

re: #221 bottehond

Remember what I told you? Islamists best strategy would be turning against our civilization (Freedom of speech) using our weak points. In this case: the Canadian legal system. In our (Dutch) case: our naive tolerance and our inability by law to discriminate. Even against fascists calling themselves religious. You think you are safe, but you are so wrong. The States seem to have a overzealous obsession with fascism. Well: it is grinning you in the face and it just loves hearing some call fellow counterjihadi's fascists and racists and xeno- or islamophobics.

* your weakly message in a bottle from battleground Europe *

Sometimes differences over what we are for outweigh any similarities over what we are against, and that is perfectly appropriate. But you might have better luck at getting anywhere if you make your insinuations more explicit...

Just who are you talking about, calling which fellow counterjihadis what names?

re: #185 hershel

re: #131 itellu3times

I am very glad that the Arabs at Annapolis - especially the Saudis - are refusing to shake the hands of the Israelis. As a Jew, I would be mortified if one of my co-religionists had to touch the creepy, nauseating flesh of barbaric savages who get their kicks from torturing rape victims and sawing off people's heads.

I'm not really recommending or advocating it, but it's such a clear signpost, how can you go on with a conference under such circumstances?

So who was it said something like rather than destroy my enemies make my enemy my friend? Pretty sure it was some early rabbi, but googling turns up nothing much but Lincoln or Franklin, and with all due respect, they didn't originate it.

Not that I think it applies to the Sauds, but it's a nice thought.

I love Steyn's work. I think alot of Canadians do. I have "America Alone".
Enough gushing. If these cretins wish to make Mr. Steyn more famous, they are welcome to it. The Human Rights Commission is a joke, just like these twits.

Every time I read one of these stories...whether it be CIC or CAIR...I have to remind myself I am not reading Glen Reinsford's "Age of Tolerance".

#223 medaura 18586

bottehond usually posts on threads critical of facists in Europe, wherein he defends them, and complians Americans are obsessed with facism (we should all just forget all about that little dust-up during WWII). He never makes his insinuations explicit, though he scatters them like birdseed, left and right.

#226 Mary*Ann

Yes, I know; it's creepy, isn't it, how accurate that book is turning out to be! I was just re-reading it this evening.

Is anyone else getting kinda sick of Muslims? I mean, really.

The key to the charge of "hate speech" in Canada is that the speech must incite hatred or contempt against and IDENTIFIABLE group.

After 9/11 a UBC professor named Sunera Thobani claimed that Americans deserved what they got because of their "blood stained foreign policy" and Tobani was taken in front of the same BC Human Rights Tribunal and charged with the same thing that Mark Steyn is being charged with.

Well the judge in Thobanis' case set a precedent by throwing out the charges on the basis that Americans WEREN'T an identifiable group.

Muslims, who claim ALL people are BORN Muslim, aren't an identifiable group any more than Americans are.

I don't think Mr. Steyn has anything to be worried about.

Sounds like the CIC has Infidelophobia.

re: #230 Speller

Your observation presumes that these commissions operate
a) rationally
b) by precedent

I believe neither is true,and that the ruling with regard to the US matter relates more to US-hatred than to rational thinking. I hope MacLeans can do a better job... I don't think CAIR-CAN has a lot of money. If they were dragged into a repetitive and expensive battle and lost a few, they would soon quit this strategy.

But if Steyn/Macleans are intimidated into saying less then what they want to say... disaster.

The Canadian Islamic Congress is seeking to enforce the restrictions of dhimmitude, including the imposition of extreme limits on what dhimmis may say.

In particular, it is undhimmi behavior, and therefore intolerable to the Islamist Canadian Islamic Congress, to warn the infidel about the hazards of jihad of the sword and of jihad of the womb, or about the Islamist mandate to abolish the Dar al Harb and replace it with the Dar al Islam.

re: #232 june july

The purpose of the CHR commission is to rule when a individual's human rights have been violated.

The specific individual in this case is who?

Canadian law operates much the same as American law, on precedents.

The Canadian Charter of Rights is being tested and established by precedents.

That said, the HRCs are not actual law courts but can be counter-sued and then the legal precedent comes into play.

“Mark Steyn is a thoughtful and experienced journalist, and the piece was a commentary on important global political issues. It was not in any sense Islamophobic, and Maclean’s is confident that the Human Rights Commissions will find no merit in the complaints.”

arriving late...
yeah...but if they do, you may wanna get the FK outta Canada!

re: #24 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Of course not, Jews are not supposed to fight back.

re: #189 bill-tb

A quick read of the Koran, which I suggest you do sober and with no weapons nearby, is all you need do to confirm the worst.

Don't forget the Hadith and the Sunnahwhich makes the Koran look like Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.

[Link: www.islamonline.net...]

re: #223 medaura18586

Some is clear enough. If you feel adressed to, it's you; if you don't it isn't you. I am worried about the dogmatic attitude of "some americans".
But that is of no importance. What is important is what I posted. Any comments on that?

re: #227 TalkinKamel

Nonsense. I have never defended any fascists. Maybe it is the other way around and YOU are the one who is helping fascists (islamo- fascists, that is). You can throw as many "fascist insinuations" into your post concerning me: I don't care. I will not be held hostage to the ethical blackmail it is supposed to be. In Europe, we have thrown off that kind of delusional language. Still not gotten over the fact that I kicked your ass on some topics and that Charles doesn't consider me a fascist or a promoter of fascists? Do you seriously think he would allow a fascist on LGF. I am here to tell you about the serious problems we are having with islam. And while I am at that am promoting bridges between our continents. That's it.

Oh how ironic. So now it's Macleans. I stopped reading Macleans years and years ago -- they were ultra leftists. (Maybe their editorial policies have changed since I stopped reading them? But I doubt it -- and even if the magazine is run over the coals by a Human "Rights" Tribunal -- Macleans would probably still slavishly endorse everything Islamic...from stoning women to suicide bombing -- along with, of course, the obligatory insults against the United States. I'm actually surprised that Macleans would publish a Steyn article -- maybe this also caught the CAIR folks off guard and figured they'd have to put a stop to it...make sure Macleans returns to its Dhimmi state.)

Another concern, is who is on the Human Rights Tribunals in British Columbia and Ontario? -- are there CAIR-types on these boards?

Facts, they say, are inconvenient things. Seems our "pals" over at Islam, Inc. have lost the truth debate, and are now left to seek redress in the LIBeral Canadian court system (i.e. silence the heretics). I've read Mr. Steyn's book - the only thing Islamophobic is the feeling I get when the curtains are pulled back, revealing the truth about Islam. The world needs to wake up and realize that we're toying with the progenitors of a possible Mondern Dark Ages^TM - it's time to get serious and deal with this threat today.