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 RetweetSarkozy Loses Patience with Assad

Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 9:08:45 am PST

French President Nicolas Sarkozy says he’s had it up to here with the chinless ophthalmologist.

“I have reached the end of the road with [Syrian President Bashar] Assad. Words alone won’t suffice, I want actions,” French President Nicolas Sarkozy was quoted as telling reporters Wednesday at the Champs-Élysées in Paris.

France has grown increasingly impatient with Syria, particularly over its intervention in Lebanese politics and its alleged involvement in political assassinations in the country.

Sarkozy spoke with Assad on several occasions recently in order to bring about a solution to the crisis over the Lebanese presidency, but it appears that his patience is now wearing thin. “I spoke to him three times recently and I spoke with him clearly and honestly,” said Sarkozy. “I took the risk and spoke with him when no one else would,” Asharq Alawsat quoted the French president as saying.

Sarkozy continued: “I took the initiative and said to him: ‘Lebanon has a right to have an autonomous president who will have a national unity government. You must use all the means and abilities at your disposal to influence the attainment of this goal!’”

“But I am telling you,” he was quoted by the London-based newspaper as saying. “I have reached the end of the road with Assad. Now words will not suffice, I want actions.”

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1 mikeytrix  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:11:08am

Kick his butt, Nik. Firstees?

2 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:11:20am

Condi will get mad at Sarko.
Dialogue, dialogue, negotiations...

3 Classic Conservative  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:11:22am

Go Sarko!

4 Macker  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:11:24am

Trust, but Verify.

5 Areopagitica  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:11:38am

With no chin to block him, Sakorzy's hand can keep rising, and rising when he uses hand gestures to show how pissed off he is at Assad.

6 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:11:48am
7 mean Gene  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:12:32am

Sarkozy: "...You must use all the means and abilities at your disposal to influence the attainment of this goal!” What the heck?
Why not simply tell him to butt out?
that's what needs to happen.

8 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:12:34am

Forward:
Canada elected Harper.
France elected Sarkozy.

Backward:
UK has Brown
Australia rejected Major

Up in the air:
United States of America elects ___?

9 rappmandu  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:13:04am

Sarkozy, I've got your avatar right here, mon frere!

10 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:13:29am

But he's a British trained physician.

A Doctor!

DOCTOR!

11 coquimbojoe  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:13:35am

Finally a French man using his balls for more than just on a mistress...

12 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:14:48am

Sarkozy wants action? How about more actions like the September 6 raid? That certainly got Assad's attention.

Airstrikes against terrorists also get the thugs' attention. Losing the proxy forces aplenty are sure to focus the mind.

Of course, Assad now says that he had the opportunity to buy nukes on the black market, but chose not to.

Why buy 'em when you're getting 'em for free with Iranian and North Korean assistance. /sarc

Assad continues to destablize Lebanon, which is why Sarkozy is slamming Syria. France has a long relationship with the Levant, and they don't like how things have gone of late.

13 AuntAcid  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:15:18am

“I have reached the end of the road with Assad. Now words will not suffice, I want actions.”

That is so un-French.

14 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:15:52am
“I have reached the end of the road with Assad. Now words will not suffice, I want actions.”

And then he ran away.

15 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:16:04am

re: #11 coquimbojoe

Ah, but have you seen Sarkozy's latest?

16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:16:42am

Nice talk.

How long till he holds the Palis to the same standards?

17 rappmandu  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:17:20am

Assad won't go away, even if Sarko taunts him again.

18 BigMac  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:17:21am

Viva Sarkozy.

19 Pastorius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:17:58am

Who woulda thunk we'd reach a day when the French are tougher than the Americans.

Excuse my French, but didn't we invite fucking Assad to the fucking Annapolis meeting recently?

20 astronmr20  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:18:02am

re: #11 coquimbojoe

Lately he's been banging models AND calling dictators on their shit.

21 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:18:04am

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The French could hardly do any worse than the Americans when it comes to Palestine.

22 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:18:12am

Too bad the Fwench don't have any muscle to back up these "tough" words. Unless they plan to deploy their riotous "youths" to the middle-east.

23 chinesearithmetic  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:18:47am

His actions are usually followed by autopsies.

24 Pastorius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:19:24am

Sarkozy isn't just banging that babe. He asked her to marry him.

25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:19:56am

re: #21 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The French could hardly do any worse than the Americans when it comes to Palestine.

True.

26 chinesearithmetic  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:20:25am

#18 Vive might be the way to allez.

27 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:20:34am

Bruni is a Mossad agent.

Like Monica.

28 Macker  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:20:47am

re: #21 Pro-Bush Canuck

Excuse me, but WTF is Palestine?

/sarc

29 formercorpsman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:21:05am

This is truly amazing.

Would you think even just two years ago, we would have seen a headline like this attributed to a current French President?

30 Nevergiveup  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:21:09am

re: #11 coquimbojoe

Finally a French man using his balls for more than just on a mistress...

Speaking of which, being a jewish man of average heigh myself, I am glad to see the little guy is going out with a tall gorgeous ex-model already!

31 BulgarWheat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:21:21am

#1 mikeytrix

Another newb about to get a post deleted.

32 maddogg  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:21:22am

OT

Finally! A use for Hillary's fat ass.

33 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:21:24am

re: #11 coquimbojoe

Finally a French man using his balls for more than just on a mistress...

You know, with a backbone like that, I'd even pay for the Sark-man's mistress. Just keep saying what Monsewer Chirac would never say. Refreshing.

34 BulgarWheat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:22:06am

#1 mikeytrix

since June, 2004? C'mon.

35 Prchrmn2  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:22:38am

"Action you want...action you get, Husam...go assassinate someone this weekend and give Mr. Sarkozy what he wants"

36 Dianna  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:22:39am

re: #29 formercorpsman

You're very right. Now, let's see what he does.

37 formercorpsman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:23:26am

re: #36 Dianna

Your killing my buzz.

38 Van Impe  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:23:30am

Why should Assad care. After all he let thousands of "insurgents" enter into Iraq to kill American troops without facing any consequences. So why should he fear France. He knows France may bark but it will never bite.

39 ghengis was a wuss  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:23:53am

I am LOVIN' having a jooo runnin' Frogland! The potential for a great franco-US relationship has greatly improved!

go sarko! We love you dude!

40 Infidelsalwayswin  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:24:09am

re: #8 Pro-Bush Canuck

Forward:
Canada elected Harper.
France elected Sarkozy.

Backward:
UK has Brown
Australia rejected Major

Up in the air:
United States of America elects ___?

I like how you used the word 'has' as opposed to 'elected'. It's importnat since he was never elected, and what's more, his government seems to be accelerating at 1 gee...straight down i.e. is in freefall. My estimation is that the time until they call a general election is inversely proportional to the percentage of the popular vote they'll end up with.
At least I hope so.

41 gman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:24:42am
“But I am telling you,” he was quoted by the London-based newspaper as saying. “I have reached the end of the road with Assad. Now words will not suffice, I want actions.”


Oh No! Not the dreaded actions threat!

That means he getting on the red phone to the UN today and asking them to give Syria their super- duper extra cruel UN sanctions. Ooooh!

42 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:24:45am

Assad: I turned down an offer to buy nuclear weapons

Syrian President Bashar Assad turned down an offer to buy nuclear missiles from Pakistani weapons smugglers in 2001, he was quoted as saying Wednesday.

In an interview with the Austrian newspaper Die Presse, Assad said that the smugglers introduced themselves as envoys of Abdul Qadeer Khan, considered the father of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program.

/see, he's not such a bad guy

43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:24:53am

OT

Israel Rejects Hamas Truce Offer

Hamas offered Israel the truce a day after 13 Palestinian militants, including two top commanders, were killed in a wave of Israeli air strikes in Gaza. Israel launched the raids in response to daily Palestinian rocket attacks.

Hamas official Ghazi Hamad said the ball is in Israel's court.

Hamad told Israel Radio that it takes two parties to make a truce, and Israel should take the first step. He said if Israel stops incursions, assassinations and air strikes, the Palestinians would halt rocket attacks.

But after months of rocket fire on its border communities, Israel is no hurry for a truce, especially after inflicting serious damage on militants in the latest air strikes.

Israeli parliamentarian Ephraim Sneh is a former general in the Labor Party, which is part of the coalition government. He said a truce, or "hudna" as it is called in Arabic, would benefit Hamas, but not Israel.

"A hudna is [a] trap for Israel," he said, "and it is a timeout for Hamas to become stronger, to receive more arms, more money, more explosives, and it is nothing that Israel should endorse."

44 truth stick  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:24:53am

Well if he is now fed up with Syria, the only thing left to do is for France to surrender to them.

45 coquimbojoe  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:25:32am

re: #15 lawhawk

re: #11 coquimbojoe

Ah, but have you seen Sarkozy's latest?

That doesn't hurt either.

46 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:27:02am

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

Israel Rejects Hamas Truce Offer

Hamas offered Israel the truce a day after 13 Palestinian militants, including two top commanders, were killed in a wave of Israeli air strikes in Gaza. Israel launched the raids in response to daily Palestinian rocket attacks.
Hamas official Ghazi Hamad said the ball is in Israel's court.

Hamad told Israel Radio that it takes two parties to make a truce, and Israel should take the first step. He said if Israel stops incursions, assassinations and air strikes, the Palestinians would halt rocket attacks.

But after months of rocket fire on its border communities, Israel is no hurry for a truce, especially after inflicting serious damage on militants in the latest air strikes.

Israeli parliamentarian Ephraim Sneh is a former general in the Labor Party, which is part of the coalition government. He said a truce, or "hudna" as it is called in Arabic, would benefit Hamas, but not Israel.

"A hudna is [a] trap for Israel," he said, "and it is a timeout for Hamas to become stronger, to receive more arms, more money, more explosives, and it is nothing that Israel should endorse."

Israel REJECTED TRUCE offer?

ISRAEL. OBSTACLE TO PEACE.

47 Dianna  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:28:18am

re: #37 formercorpsman

Sorry. Didn't mean to.

48 Colonel Panik  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:29:56am

I wonder if he will send Les Kepiblancs to Lebanon.
Say what you will about the French, the Legion Entrangere knows how to kick ass and take names.

49 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:30:04am

Ok, Sarko is fed up with Assad. That's all well and good, but what are you going to do about it? This is what Assad is doing about it,

Syrian and Iranian Axis Terrorize their opposition

You would have to be deluded to think Syria was going to change the central element of the foreign policy they have steadily pursued for 60 plus years just because you invited them to Annapolis.

50 astronmr20  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:30:22am

re: #46 Ben Hur

LOL A truce!

haha.. "please stop laying the smack down on we poor terrorists!"

51 HillarysJockstrap  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:30:22am

Uh oh.
Looks like Sarkozy is hinting at Double Secret Probation . . . that little-known codicil in the U.N. constitution.

52 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:31:11am

re: #2 Poitiers-Lepanto

I don't think this means much at all. It's a small bone. I think his comments about the 'critical' need for a shiny, new Palestinian state are more instructive.

53 crusader1145  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:31:22am

Its good to see Sarkozy stand up to that thug, Assad. I hope he keeps the heat on him.

54 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:31:30am

re: #40 Infidelsalwayswin

South Korea just elected a new conservative Prime Minister, Lee Myung-bak.

55 Pyrocles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:31:45am

My God, a politician who understands the concept of an Islamic "hudna"! I guess most Isreali politicians SHOULD understand that by now...

re: #46 Ben Hur

56 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:31:49am

re: #53 crusader1145

Its good to see Sarkozy stand up to that thug, Assad. I hope he keeps the heat on him.

If Assad had a chin, Sarko wouldn't reach it.

57 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:31:53am

OT: Now I must choose-retail therapy or buy wine or other gift for boss.

HMMM

58 Nevergiveup  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:31:56am

It is kinda ironic. It would appear that many conservatives are not only happy with the new French President's foreign policy but also his choice in female companionship ( yeah I am pretty jealous also ); However, both Rudy and Fred have gotten grief about their love lives? Go figure.

59 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:32:18am

Sarkozy is going to piss off the Muslims in his country. He knew this going in. But if he holds firm, it could signal a new direction for Europe, one that is pro-western, and especially pro-American. I pray he succeeds.

60 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:33:09am

re: #24 Pastorius

Sure fire way to stop the banging.

/just kidding LOLOLOL

61 Colonel Panik  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:33:17am

re: #54 Kenneth

re: #40 Infidelsalwayswin

South Korea just elected a new conservative Prime Minister, Lee Myung-bak.

Short ribs, Kimchi and OB beer for lunch!

62 astronmr20  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:33:47am

re: #61 Colonel Panik

Delicious!

63 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:34:47am
64 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:36:23am

re: #57 WriterMom

You buy a gift for your boss? What a brown-noser!

65 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:36:23am

Sarkozy on urgent need for SHINY NEW PALESTINIAN STATE WITHIN ONE YEAR!

SNIP:

That state would extend 'from Gaza to the West Bank to East Jerusalem,' he said.

Sarkozy issued a challenged to the radical Islamic group Hamas, which governs Gaza.

'Peace will not be made without Gaza,' he said. 'And peace will not be made with groups that do not recognize Israel. This is unacceptable.'

The French president also called on Israel to immediately halt the constructions of colonies on Palestinian territory.

'It is time to put an end to the occupation,' Sarkozy said. 'It is time to allow an entire people to regain their dignity.'
Sarkozy proposed, 'when the time is ripe,' the deployment of an international police force to support Palestinian security forces in keeping the peace in the region.

66 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:37:06am

re: #64 Kenneth

And proud of it.

67 selpaw  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:38:38am

re: #38 Van Impe

Why should Assad care. After all he let thousands of "insurgents" enter into Iraq to kill American troops without facing any consequences. So why should he fear France. He knows France may bark but it will never bite.

You are so so right! I mean when we think of what Syria has gotten away with ESPECIALLY post 9-11, Bush doctrine... we should be ashamed.

Consequences for what they have done, nada! Not one except a weak toothless condemnation here a weak one there.

Assad laughs.

particularly over its intervention in Lebanese politics and its alleged involvement in political assassinations in the country.

I commend Sarkozy however the French position in Lebanon has always been an important one so I take what he said with a grain of salt. Assad should have been dealt with long ago and I don't mean by the feckless French who put their interests above all others. Having said that, I see we are not far behind in that department but this I will leave for another rant.

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How long till he holds the Palis to the same standards?

NEVER. That is different you know/ The litmus test that it is different belongs in those LIARS IN HIGH PLACES who go to any extreme at the expense of Israel to appease the greater Arab/Islamodogshit world.

nice talk

...still waiting for the walk. The walk is what matters.

68 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:38:45am

re: #52 WriterMom

re: #2 Poitiers-Lepanto

I don't think this means much at all. It's a small bone. I think his comments about the 'critical' need for a shiny, new Palestinian state are more instructive.

True true. But considering HOW lost all the European Countries are in their appeasement policies...this is a little precious gem...

/ and he DID smash the riots some weeks ago

69 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:40:37am

re: #65 WriterMom

Sarkozy on urgent need for SHINY NEW PALESTINIAN STATE WITHIN ONE YEAR!

SNIP:


That state would extend 'from Gaza to the West Bank to East Jerusalem,' he said.

Sarkozy issued a challenged to the radical Islamic group Hamas, which governs Gaza.

'Peace will not be made without Gaza,' he said. 'And peace will not be made with groups that do not recognize Israel. This is unacceptable.'

The French president also called on Israel to immediately halt the constructions of colonies on Palestinian territory.

'It is time to put an end to the occupation,' Sarkozy said. 'It is time to allow an entire people to regain their dignity.'
Sarkozy proposed, 'when the time is ripe,' the deployment of an international police force to support Palestinian security forces in keeping the peace in the region.

And just as I was about to raise a glass of Grey Goose to Monsieur President. (well, tonight, anyway)

70 Colonel Panik  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:41:40am

re: #63 taxfreekiller

Some one link him to taxfreekillers "space rock falling" idea.
A well aimed large hunk of rock sent into orbit say around Saturn, swing around it, high speed entry over Du'mask-us, air burst, per.

[Link: www.sandia.gov...]

Centauri style. "We're not going to invade Narn, we're going to flatten it."

71 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:41:49am

re: #68 Poitiers-Lepanto

Yes. He has some really good points. But it seems no matter what progress is made on other loosely 'Islamic' issues, the Cult of Palestinianism still rules supreme.

Smash Yoot Riots >>>good
Be Pro-American >>>good
Continue to Bow to Cult of Palestine-Cum-Eradicate Jewish State Policies>>SUCKS

72 selpaw  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:42:25am

re: #65 WriterMom

Sarkozy on urgent need for SHINY NEW PALESTINIAN STATE WITHIN ONE YEAR!

Why not. Why should he not be any different pushing for a state in reward for the slaughter of Jews. I most assuredly expect less of France than I do of the US. (or I did anyway)

{WriterMomala} Do you mail your coffee cake ; - ?

73 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:43:10am

Newly elected South Korean PM

Lee has pledged to take a more critical view of Seoul's engagement with North Korea and seek closer U.S. ties. Efforts to end North Korea's nuclear weapons ambitions stand at a critical juncture, with the communist country set to disclose all its programs for eventual dismantlement by a year-end deadline.

Lee, a former Seoul mayor who turned 66 on election day, has led the race for months. His victory ends a decade of liberal rule in the South, during which the country embarked on unprecedented reconciliation with rival North Korea that has led to restored trade and travel across the heavily armed frontier dividing the peninsula.

74 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:44:34am

re: #68 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #52 WriterMom


re: #2 Poitiers-Lepanto

I don't think this means much at all. It's a small bone. I think his comments about the 'critical' need for a shiny, new Palestinian state are more instructive.


True true. But considering HOW lost all the European Countries are in their appeasement policies...this is a little precious gem...

/ and he DID smash the riots some weeks ago

The problem with the comments is that they demonstrate fundamentally little has really changed. When the European countries engage in diplomacy, despite some toughing rhetoric, they are still focused on the carrots and no stick. Setting a timetable does nothing to advance the issue or effectively hold Hamas / Fatah / Palestinians accountable for their inability to manage Gaza let alone a larger state.

Showing the ability to rein in the violance and effectively run Gaza should be the next step on the timetable towards being responsible enough for a state. But the Europeans don't appear to be willing to make that stand or provide a stick to Hamas / Fatah / Palestinians if they fail to change from their present course and actions.

75 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:45:10am

Sarko definitely has better taste in honeys than did Bubba.

76 GreenDroll  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:47:44am

From Bashar Assad I would be demanding inaction. Every time the chinless despot acts, innocent people die.

77 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:47:46am

re: #72 selpaw

Selpaw..see my above. I have no expectations of the Fwench. I am pleasantly surprised that Sarkozy was elected. I think it's great that he's getting some action, too. But, I have no plans to Celebrate France because they are deeply committed to the appeasement monkey syndrome. Like I said-no matter what 'progress' is made, there is still a fundamental commitment to destruction of Israel lite through the pro-Palestinian utterances and fat, whopping, unending, anti-semitic, stupifyingly dhimmified JIZYAHPOLOOZAH that ends up being used to KILL US EVERY DAY.

78 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:48:11am

Colonies?

79 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:48:50am

re: #78 Ben Hur

Colonies.

I'd like to shove that word up his colon.

80 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:49:08am

Oh dear.

Did I really say that?

I am going shopping.

81 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:49:50am

Can we loan Sarkozy some JDAMs?

82 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:50:03am

re: #75 Occasional Reader

Bubba went Kosher. LOL.

83 selpaw  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:50:16am

re: #77 WriterMom

Agree fully!

84 looking closely  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:50:42am
“I have reached the end of the road with Assad. Now words will not suffice, I want actions.”


Yeah. . .and what you going to do about it, Frenchy? Embargo snail shipments to Syria?

I mean its nice to see the tough talk, but somehow I don't think Assad is exactly quaking in his boots here.

85 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:50:47am

re: #80 WriterMom

Oh dear.

Did I really say that?

I am going shopping.

That reminds me, I gotta go print your pound cake recipe.

86 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:52:23am

heh heh heh...

The NDP: Democracy and the transgendered

Micheline Montreuil, a Quebec lawyer and former professor won the NDP nomination earlier this year to be the party’s candidate in a Quebec City riding. But recently, the party’s Quebec election planning committee voted to terminate her candidacy.

Besides being a former professor, Ms. Montreuil is also a former man. Now she is considering taking legal action against the socialist party for discriminating against her. She has previously been successful against the Canadian Forces and the National Bank of Canada before the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal is suits brought for discriminating against her on the basis of her sexuality.

In true political fashion, the NDP denies that her termination has anything to do with her being transgendered. According to the election committee, she was dumped because she was not a “team player”. Whatever possessed the NDP to think that a man who becomes a woman would make a good team player is a matter that can be left for another day.

Irony.

87 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:53:06am

Wish me luck! I'm just a lone, suburban Jewish WriterMom braving the downtown hordes in prime-time Christmas retail hell.

If I'm not back on the threads this afternoon-you'll know what happened!

88 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:53:30am

FREE CORSICA!

FREE THE BASQUES!

(then maybe start talking about other people's probs, dawg)

89 Macker  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:53:42am

re: #50 astronmr20

re: #46 Ben Hur

LOL A truce!

haha.. "please stop laying the smack down on we poor terrorists freedom fighters!"

There, fixed that for ya!

90 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:53:57am

re: #86 Kenneth

All I have to say about this is:

Bwa.
Ha.
Ha.

91 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:54:40am

re: #88 Ben Hur

FREE STEYN!

92 Macker  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:54:45am

re: #86 Kenneth

NDP = DFC

93 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:55:58am

Oh! My! G-D!

Here's Micheline Montreuil's website (see my post above). She looks like Rush Limbaugh in a wig and a dress. I can't imagine why the NDP didn't want her to run for them.

ROTFL!

94 looking closely  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:58:57am

re: #29 formercorpsman

This is truly amazing.

Would you think even just two years ago, we would have seen a headline like this attributed to a current French President?


In fact just under two years ago President Chirac threatened to use French nukes in retaliation to a terrorist attack.

So its not like tough talk has never come out of France before.

But again, talk is cheap.

95 Cygnus  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:00:35am

re: #32 maddogg

OT

Finally! A use for Hillary's fat ass.

It gets 250 MPR (Miles per Rosie).

96 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:00:56am

re: #63 taxfreekiller

Some one link him to taxfreekillers "space rock falling" idea.
A well aimed large hunk of rock sent into orbit say around Saturn, swing around it, high speed entry over Du'mask-us, air burst, per.

[Link: www.sandia.gov...]

Heinlein has been there and done that. In "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress". Mike the sentient computer had them lob steel encased rocks at the earth. Was pretty effective. Nuclear like explosion without the radiation. Now instead of using moon based catapults, we load the shuttle with a RAM covered rock with thrusters, put it in orbit around the moon and when the time is right, blow the RAM covering so it can be "discovered" to be on a direct collision course with planet Earth and Mecca. Since they worship a rock from space (or so I understand, correct me if I am wrong) it would have to be the WILL of ALLAH that Mecca be destroyed by another rock from space. Poetic justice, no?

97 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:08:34am

PARIS — A Paris court on Wednesday convicted five former inmates at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, of having links to terrorist groups, while acquitting a sixth man.

The five were convicted of "criminal association with a terrorist enterprise," a broad charge frequently used in France. The court handed them one-year prison sentences.

The verdict had originally been expected in September 2006 but was postponed. At the time, the court said it needed to seek more information about secret interrogations of the suspects by French intelligence officers at the American base.

The suspects' lawyers had complained that the men were questioned by agents of the DST counterintelligence service outside the framework of international law. Information about the interrogations did not surface until the trial was already under way, when Liberation newspaper published a classified document about them.

Seven French citizens were captured in or near Afghanistan by U.S. forces in late 2001, held at Guantanamo and then handed over to French authorities in 2004 and 2005. One was freed immediately and found to have no ties to terrorism, while the others were released later as investigations continued into their cases.

The men all insisted they are innocent. Their lawyers asked for all to be acquitted.

98 Bill K.  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:14:14am

I wonder if we could get Sarkozy to run for U.S. President. This guy is better than the whole crop of present candidates for President combined. You would never hear language like this from Bush and that unprincipled automaton, Condoleezza Rice, when talking about this henchman of Iran who is rapidly destroying Lebanon.

Too bad he is a foreign national. John Bolton would be just as good though.

99 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:16:21am

An additional link and excerpt.
[Link: www.space4peace.org...]


2. Kinetic Energy and Hypervelocity Weapons

Kinetic energy weapons, of which hypervelocity weapons are a subtype, are historically the most common forms of space weaponry.

As suggested above, given the tremendous speeds at which objects travel in orbit, on the order of 4.7 miles per second in low-earth orbit, just about anything properly aimed could become a weapon even without the use of an explosive warhead.

This is true because such an object's speed, including those of very small masses, gives it tremendous kinetic energy for impact. [n88]

One U.S. kinetic energy weapon, originally tested as a missile interceptor, could equally serve as an ASAT. Known as the Homing Overlay Experiment (HOE), the weapon, once boosted into space, unfurls a 4.5 meter radial "net" that is wrapped tightly behind the nose sensor. The net increases the lethal radius of the homing and kill vehicle.

Successful testing in 1983 and 1984 showed the weapon capable of homing in and destroying a dummy warhead in space using a long-wavelength infrared sensor. [n89]

A program currently under development in the U.S. is simply called the "KE ASAT" (kinetic energy ASAT). The system envisions using a large Mylar "shroud" to impact the target object. [n90]

Though it will disable its target object by force of impact as will many other kinetic energy ASATs, this system is unique in that the shroud is intended to minimize the creation of a large quantity of resulting space debris normally associated with kinetic energy weapon impacts. [n91]

The railgun is another type of kinetic energy weapon that accelerates a projectile toward selected targets at hypervelocity speeds. Because the railgun will use electromagnetic forces to accelerate its projectiles, it is an
"electromagnetic" weapon of sorts. However, it is distinct from the electromagnetic weaponry discussed above in that the final method of destruction is a kinetic impact rather than an electromagnetic force itself. Testing in the
U.S. has resulted in the electromagnetic acceleration of tantalum discs to speeds of eleven kilometers per second. [n92] Though not yet developed as a weapon, such railguns could be stationed in outer space.

An additional space-based kinetic energy weapon has been proposed but not yet developed. Though not an ASAT, the weapon has been conceived for use against terrestrial targets. It would capitalize on the tremendous speed of long rods made of depleted uranium orbiting in space. Remotely commanded to reenter the atmosphere at hypersonic speeds, the rods could be precision-guided to
targets in the air or on the surface of the earth. Their special shape and materials would allow for survival on reentry into the atmosphere with little prospect for collateral damage on impact. The ability to call down such objects from space at hypervelocity speeds would allow them to penetrate hundreds of feet into the earth. Strategically, it would also offer the attacker the
"ultimate stealth" and maximum surprise. [n93]

A final example in the kinetic energy category is the Gun Launch to Space (GLTS) project. The project envisions a large artillery-type structure capable of launching projectiles hundreds of miles. The most notable example of rudimentary technology on which the GLTS might be based is the Iraqi "supergun," employing a barrel 172 feet long and capable of propelling 114 pound projectiles to distances of 465 miles. [n94] Although principally conceived as a system for boosting operational payloads to orbit, the GLTS project has numerous potential applications, including service as an ASAT. [n95]

100 sparrowlake  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:17:19am

Sarkozy can sure talk the talk, but I have seen nothing to suggest that he can walk the walk.
By the way, what risk did he really take by talking to Assad? It seems to me that he was just doing some risk-free grandstanding for domestic consumption, since the French still long for the good old days when they actually had some influence in Lebanon.
SO SHOW US THE MONEY, FROGMAN!

101 Gearhead  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:22:15am

A Maginot Line in the sand, as it were.

102 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:22:45am

Backbone is so sexy.

My new favorite bumpersticker:

Government size does matter.

103 astronmr20  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:26:58am

I am hoping Sarko is just getting started. He seems to be the only world leader to make these sort of public distinctions on the matter. God knows our administration and state department are too weak to do so.

Don't stop there Sarko... PLEASE give the "palestinians" a dose, too!

104 astronmr20  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:27:30am

re: #102 DistantThunder

Exactly. The smaller the better.

105 funkyfantom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:27:45am

re: #19 Pastorius

Who woulda thunk we'd reach a day when the French are tougher than the Americans.

Excuse my French, but didn't we invite fucking Assad to the fucking Annapolis meeting recently?

A nice start from Sarko - but so far - just words. Talk is cheap.

106 astronmr20  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:29:26am

re: #100 sparrowlake

What would you actually have him do?

In many cases, I believe that half the battle is exposing these despots to the rest of the world. There is no actual intervention that France could perform in this case.

the silence has been deafening. It's quite refreshing to have a world leader speak the truth about this neckless asshole.

107 Maximu§  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:31:15am

I never dreamed that I would admire a French President more then an American President, but Nicolas Sarkozy has my vote!

I'm tired of the Bush team's bumbling policies...

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

108 pegcity  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:34:26am

Sarko is the Anti Chirac

109 alteredbeat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:42:29am

Hell yeah it's action time, Sarko style.
Now that's leadership. (looking at you Bush and US State Dept.)

110 realwest  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:55:49am

re: #63 taxfreekiller Yeah! Go TFK! Go Scandia!

111 Colonel Panik  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:56:40am

What happened with the riots? After Sarko returned from China, poof, news about them vanished. Did he do a successful crackdown the MSM did not want to report?

Links?

112 realwest  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 11:03:06am

re: #111 Colonel Panik Sorry, no links, but CNN (of all of the MSM, CNN!) did report that "heavily reinforced police" put down the riots and apparently some cops and A LOT of yutes were hurt.
Other than that brief mention on CNN (I was in a doctor's office waiting room and couldn't reach the channel changer and they had CNN on!) I haven't heard anything about it!

113 realwest  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 11:06:21am

BTW, for all y'all who don't think France COULD do something about it - making the perhaps rash statement that the French would want to DO something about it - their armed forces are better equipped, led and supplied better than any other Euro nation, except possibly Great Britain.
Guys I know who have served with French troops say they are truly top drawer soldiers.

114 samsgran1948  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 11:12:27am

re: #84 looking closely

“I have reached the end of the road with Assad. Now words will not suffice, I want actions.”

Yeah. . .and what you going to do about it, Frenchy? Embargo snail shipments to Syria?

I mean its nice to see the tough talk, but somehow I don't think Assad is exactly quaking in his boots here.

Exactly.

What action does Sarko intend to take to back up his big talk? Unless he is prepared to do something to actually force Assad to get out of Lebanon, this is nothing more than another piece of Euro performance art. Granted, it's a little bit more forceful than the typical Euro performance art, but without teeth, it's just as meaningless as everything else that has gone before it.

115 amphibian  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 11:16:48am

Geh! The frogs are showing more backbone than the Brits and the Yanks! When should we expect the Rains of Toads and days of Loud Flatulant Noises?

116 Maine's Michael  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 11:41:07am

Sarko is trying to have his croissant, and eat it too.

He's 'a friend of Israel', he says, 'but also of the Arab world'.

Okey dokey.

See how well your 'friends in the Arab world' do things in your interest.

117 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 12:04:14pm

re: #116 Maine's Michael

Sarko is trying to have his croissant, and eat it too.

ROFL. You're too much. I made a similar point upstream, but yours is funnier.

118 Abu Lahab  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 12:04:27pm

We still have to see what happens when France "loses patience" !
Maybe the condemnation will consist of three lines instead of 2?

119 UberInfidel67  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 12:22:29pm

re: #93 Kenneth Make sure you flip through the pages! An ugly man cannot become a pretty woman. lololololol

120 Colonel Panik  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 1:36:14pm

re: #112 realwest

re: #111 Colonel Panik Sorry, no links, but CNN (of all of the MSM, CNN!) did report that "heavily reinforced police" put down the riots and apparently some cops and A LOT of yutes were hurt.
Other than that brief mention on CNN (I was in a doctor's office waiting room and couldn't reach the channel changer and they had CNN on!) I haven't heard anything about it!

Hmmm...interesting. Maybe Dissident Frogman will have something on it, I haven't visited his site in a while.

121 OneGyT  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:16:12pm

I'm beginning to like Nicky.

122 BulgarWheat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:32:20pm

#113 realwest

I bunked with the 3/rd French P/R and went to their Commando School in Neu Breisach. Good times,,,good times.

123 gwillie  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:24:37pm

Could it be that in France they remember that Hezbollah Attacked the French in 1983 as well has our guys, and that this attack was funded directed and aided from Syria and Iran?

124 jaydee  Fri, Dec 21, 2007 4:48:41pm

Big words, but that is all it will be no doubt. I really do hope he proves me wrong.


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