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Ron Paul: No Problem with Donations from Neo-Nazis

Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 2:47:59 pm PST

The Ron Paul campaign not only refuses to disavow the support of racist scum like Don Black of Stormfront, they’re glad to take his money and have no plans to return it: Paul keeps white supremacist donation.

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn’t plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday.

Don Black, of West Palm Beach, recently made the donation, according to campaign filings. He runs a Web site called Stormfront with the motto, “White Pride World Wide.” The site welcomes postings to the “Stormfront White Nationalist Community.”

“Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and inalienable rights. If someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he’s wasted his money,” Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said. “Ron is going to take the money and try to spread the message of freedom.” ...

Black said he supports Paul’s stance on ending the war in Iraq, securing U.S. borders and his opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants. "We know that he’s not a white nationalist. He says he isn’t and we believe him, [Nudge, nudge. – ed.] but on the issues, there’s only one choice,“ Black said Wednesday.

”We like his stand on tight borders and opposition to a police state,“ Black told The Palm Beach Post earlier. On his Web site, Black says he has been involved in ”the White patriot movement for 30 years.“

UPDATE at 12/19/07 2:57:19 pm:

The story of this donation from Stormfront, by the way, was broken by the Lone Star Times.

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1 Fredlike  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:49:09pm

Ron paul needs the money

2 Iron Fist  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:50:54pm

I always hate it when they call it the "White patriot" movement. They have nothing to do with real patriotism.

3 mean Gene  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:51:08pm

How long ago did we see this coming and accurately predict his reaction?

4 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:51:36pm

Where's JCR and the other apologists coming to defend the only ob/gyn that can save America?

5 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:52:08pm
6 Schwarze Tulpe  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:52:21pm

Groan. Just what we need.

7 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:52:44pm

Charles,

You should a poll up asking, "Which Republican candidate is most likely to accept donations from neo-Nazi groups?"

8 Fredlike  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:53:08pm

I could not see not returning a random $500 donation. Why would he check anyway. But now that the donator has stated who he is, it is dirty money.

9 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:53:09pm

Good evening, Lizards.

I am disgusted by this story. One thing I LOVE about Rudy is his refusal of that Saudi's dontation after 9/11.

10 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:53:33pm

Watch this story go nowhere, since the MSM counts on him to split the Republican vote later in the campaign.

11 Fredlike  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:53:58pm

PIMF forget the first not on #8

12 yochanan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:54:27pm

RON PAUL Y.A.A.F.M.

13 debutaunt  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:55:07pm

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

I am disgusted by this story. One thing I LOVE about Rudy is his refusal of that Saudi's dontation after 9/11.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

14 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:56:24pm

I've been pointing out to my local Paulian brigade how much the white supremacists love him, and all they come back with is "that's just guilt by association, I don't have to respond to that." But of course if Bush's campaign had a donation from a Joooooo or a Haliburton employee, that means there is a vast Jewish/Oil company/Neocon conspiracy.

I guess Paul just building a blimp fleet based on white supremacist donations is two wrongs making a right, eh?

15 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:56:32pm
16 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:57:43pm

re: #10 Pawn of the Oppressor

Watch this story go nowhere, since the MSM counts on him to split the Republican vote later in the campaign.

Actually, it seems as the candidates rise in the polls, the MSM tries to knock them down -- Fred, Huckabee, Obama. In the Republican race there has been four people in 2nd place nationally -- McCain, Romney, Thompson and now Huckabee (who I think is in first place now?). Each time each rose up, the media began knocking them down until they were in third. And Rudy as the frontrunner has faced a barrage of negative press about everything he's ever touched..

I could be wrong and you could be right, but I think as Ron Paul gets more popular, more and more of this stuff will start be reported on.

17 bulwrk  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:57:59pm

re: #5 song_and_dance_man

coincidence? I think not

18 yochanan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:59:17pm

FACISTS ARE OFFEN EXTREME RACISTS NATIONALIST THIS IS THE ONE THING THAT MAKES NAZIS DIFFERENT FROM STALINISTS

19 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:59:25pm

re: #1 Fredlike

Ron paul needs the money

And besides, his Cause is Holy, therefore, anything he does is Right.

20 Dianna  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 2:59:32pm

re: #12 yochanan

Until Reginold weighs in, I don't think we can say that, can we?

21 PeaceBeUponHim  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:02:29pm

If any white supremacists want to donate to me... I'm open!

22 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:05:35pm

re: #21 PeaceBeUponHim

Hey, did you hear that Ron Paul filed for his old job yesterday?

23 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:12:59pm
24 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:13:06pm

Hey, that's nothin'. After Rudy's crack dealing South Carolina campaign chair had to resign, Rudy appointed the guy's father. Turns out that he called the NAACP "The National Association For Retarded People" in 2000. Oh yeah, he's still in the position.

This smear stuff is fun and easy- pick a candidate and try it yourself!

25 yochanan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:13:59pm

re: #20 Dianna

He can sue me from the 7th level of hell

26 vagabond trader  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:14:34pm

So,we should be surprised that a whore takes money without predjudice?

27 debutaunt  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:16:27pm

re: #23 Charles

Great comments!

28 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:16:52pm
29 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:17:17pm
30 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:19:41pm

re: #23 Charles

The Slandering of Ron Paul by LGF

it's not Ron Paul's fault that someone as atrocious as David Duke supports him

True, but when the Foo sh*ts, Paul wears it.

31 yochanan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:19:46pm

RUDY sent the slime ball his money back, clinton keep it for his lib.and massage parlor.

ron paul keeps the check says a whole lot about him
ron paul Y.A.A.F.M.

32 Spiritualized  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:21:50pm

I wouldn't give it back either, I'd send it straight to the IDF.

33 yochanan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:22:13pm

If you keep the money after it is show what they believe it implies acceptance of their movement even if you disagree with them you accept their right to the opinion.

34 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:22:28pm
35 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:22:46pm

I see the LGFians have infiltrated the comments section at NC Libertarian. I guess registration there is open.

36 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:23:01pm

Jeesh, even Her Thighness gives back dirty money after she gets caught with it. Sometimes.

37 LeePro  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:24:39pm

Funny...

A White Supremacists group run by a guy named Don Black.

~ time on my hands

38 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:25:29pm

re: #34 buzzsawmonkey

re: #28 song_and_dance_man


re: #23 Charles

The Slandering of Ron Paul by LGF

In other words, quit wasting time on Ron Paul.

Two money quotes from your link:

There is no record of Ron Paul implying Israeli assistance in 9/11. There is no record of him denying the Holocaust. There is no record of him even calling AIPAC the worst organization in Washington with an unnecessary amount of influence over American foreign policy.

I mean hell, Mitt Romney probably has some polygamists supporting him. Mike Huckabee definitely has people who believe the Jews are responsible for deicide. And Rudy Giuliani has the support of Norman Podhoretz.


Try as the guy does to sound dispassionate, the Jew-hate comes a-tumblin' out.

By the way, it is my understanding that, contrary to what this guy says, Ron Paul is in fact on record as describing "the Israeli lobby" as "the most evil" lobby in DC.

Quite strange how he equivocates Podhertz with polygamists and jew haters.

39 bulwrk  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:39:10pm

re: #38 Canadian Guy


Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, ""By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.

[www.chron.com ]

40 DoubleU  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:43:25pm

I saw this today at the Palm Beach Pravda and was going to pass it along.
Can't wait to see these Ron Paul supporters intimidating voters on primary day.

41 KentGO  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:45:19pm

Ron Paul: "The Older, Whiter Cynthia McKinney."

42 Dahveed  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:48:44pm

I wonder if there are any rules within the RNC that allows Ron Paul to be kicked out of the party for accepting donations from white nationalists. I mean after the a-hole David Duke created the commotion he did in Louisiana I would think that the RNC has created some rules since that won't even allow him to bring delegates to the convention. Lord knows those are some of the last people I want there. The press would have a field day with those idiots.

43 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:50:06pm
44 KentGO  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:52:21pm

re: #40 DoubleU

Can't wait to see these Ron Paul supporters intimidating voters on primary day.

"You VILL vote for Der Glorious Leader today, ja? You haff relatives in ze Old Country, maybe...?!?"

45 RyJ Maduro  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 3:56:14pm

re: #32 Spiritualized

I wouldn't give it back either, I'd send it straight to the IDF.

Wow, Classic.

46 DoubleU  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:00:30pm

He isn't going to give the money back, he doesn't care and neither do his supporters (which are all nuts)

I am sure every candidate has has evil people donating to them, but Ron Paul supporters have done everything to turn me off from him.

Jim Crammer from Mad Money, big lefty, loved communism before he was making a ton of money seems to like Ron, what a shock another leftist for Paul.

47 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:04:57pm

Ron Paul is not a racist and its ridiculous to imply he is "He says he isn’t and we believe him, [Nudge, nudge. – ed.]"...

I am sure every candidate receives money from open racist should they return it all?

Bush sends terrorist and terrorist supporters(Saudi Araba, palestinian government etc.) and he does not get as much hate as Paul does...

you are just as bad as the daily kos, you need to fixate on someone to release the hate... really.

For being so low in the polls and "having no chance to win" there is quite an interest for Paul here...

Ron Paul may be wrong on foreign policy, but he is the only candidate willing to get government out of our lives and our wallets no other candidate comes close, that is why the republicans keep on pushing the war and jesus because that is the only thing that they don't have in common with democrats. After that they both want to continue expanding the size of government a la bush...

48 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:05:49pm

re: #42 Dahveed

I wonder if there are any rules within the RNC that allows Ron Paul to be kicked out of the party for accepting donations from white nationalists. I mean after the a-hole David Duke created the commotion he did in Louisiana I would think that the RNC has created some rules since that won't even allow him to bring delegates to the convention. Lord knows those are some of the last people I want there. The press would have a field day with those idiots.

I am sure the RNC received plenty of donations from white supremacist in previous elections and in this one as well...

49 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:07:19pm

Season's Greetings From The Ron Paul Family

I think Fred and Romney are the only ones without Christmas ads now...

50 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:13:14pm

re: #48 sick of it all

I rather doubt that.

The Dixiecrats. Robert Byrd. Strom Thurmond. George McGovern. Fred Phelps. Etc. etc. etc...

Perhaps you have something to prove your contention?

LINKY?,
R

51 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:15:47pm

re: #50 Render

OOPS!

George Wallace - not George McGovern.

MABAD,
R

52 fsjonesy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:15:51pm

re: #48 sick of it all

The Republican party was established as the US antislavery party. Republicans have fought for civil rights for over well over 150 years, while southern democrats were still establishing Jim Crow Laws. Republicans were the driving force in passing both the Civil rights act of 1964 and the Voting Rights act. To call us racist just shows how ignorant of American history you really are. Oh, I forgot, you're from Sweden.

Frickin Paulians.

53 jcr  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:16:52pm

re: #4 Canadian Guy

Where's JCR and the other apologists coming to defend the only ob/gyn that can save America?

What's to apologize for?

If the devil himself hands you money, your choice is to either use it for your own purposes, or give it back to be used for whatever mischief he would otherwise get up to with it.

Benton's right.

-jcr

54 KentGO  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:20:05pm

re: #53 jcr

re: #4 Canadian Guy


Where's JCR and the other apologists coming to defend the only ob/gyn that can save America?

What's to apologize for?

If the devil himself hands you money, your choice is to either use it for your own purposes, or give it back to be used for whatever mischief he would otherwise get up to with it.

Thank you, Norman Hsu.

55 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:20:56pm

I asked if anyone knew about Ron Paul being promoted on Stormfront . That was days ago.


This man seems to have a very confusing message, because I know of rabbiate libertarians who are quite fond of this person.

* Looks puzzled *

56 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:23:28pm

re: #55 bottehond

Maybe you should do more research:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

57 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:24:26pm

re: #50 Render

re: #48 sick of it all

I rather doubt that.

The Dixiecrats. Robert Byrd. Strom Thurmond. George McGovern. Fred Phelps. Etc. etc. etc...

Perhaps you have something to prove your contention?

LINKY?,
R

youre right republicans dont take money from racist they just put them in the senate (Strom Thurmond)... this guy ran as a segregationist presidential candidate, by everyone logic here, Ron Paul most be a racist because he doesnt give back money donate from racist, with this logic i cant imagine what it makes the republican party... the kkk?

as for your question, i think its safe to assume both parties have received thousands of dollars if not millions from racist...

58 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:25:44pm

re: #42 Dahveed

I wonder if there are any rules within the RNC that allows Ron Paul to be kicked out of the party for accepting donations from white nationalists. I mean after the a-hole David Duke created the commotion he did in Louisiana I would think that the RNC has created some rules since that won't even allow him to bring delegates to the convention. Lord knows those are some of the last people I want there. The press would have a field day with those idiots.

Someone said it yesterday, but with the collection of moonbats and unsavouries supporting Paul it may Taser time at next year's convetion.

59 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:26:30pm

re: #52 fsjonesy

And the Southern Baptist Church was established a a pro-slavery church. Times have changed.

60 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:26:36pm
61 konservo  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:27:53pm

Hmm... So Ron Paul will "denounce" the twooofers, but not the white power freaks... interesting.

62 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:27:56pm

re: #52 fsjonesy

re: #48 sick of it all

The Republican party was established as the US antislavery party. Republicans have fought for civil rights for over well over 150 years, while southern democrats were still establishing Jim Crow Laws. Republicans were the driving force in passing both the Civil rights act of 1964 and the Voting Rights act. To call us racist just shows how ignorant of American history you really are. Oh, I forgot, you're from Sweden.

Frickin Paulians.

nope not from sweden, just living here.

Youre right about the republican party but there was a huge demographic change and now most southerners, rednecks and hicks are republicans. Having lived in Texas I have seen and heard a few racist Bush supporter

63 OneGyT  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:29:20pm

Ron Paul says he isn't a Troofer and I believe him.

64 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:29:55pm

re: #55 bottehond

I asked if anyone knew about Ron Paul being promoted on Stormfront . That was days ago.


This man seems to have a very confusing message, because I know of rabbiate libertarians who are quite fond of this person.

* Looks puzzled *

because they are tired of the ever expanding role and size of government, like I am...

65 konservo  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:30:46pm

sick of it all,

r u a Paulian?

66 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:30:47pm

re: #56 Sharmuta

Maybe you shouldn't jump at me as soon as I pop up and consider this not a Joe Louis- Max Schmeling thing, dudette.

Unless you wish to be Max Schmeling.

67 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:32:13pm

re: #57 sick of it all

re: #50 Render


re: #48 sick of it all

I rather doubt that.

The Dixiecrats. Robert Byrd. Strom Thurmond. George McGovern. Fred Phelps. Etc. etc. etc...

Perhaps you have something to prove your contention?

LINKY?,
R


youre right republicans dont take money from racist they just put them in the senate (Strom Thurmond)... this guy ran as a segregationist presidential candidate, by everyone logic here, Ron Paul most be a racist because he doesnt give back money donate from racist, with this logic i cant imagine what it makes the republican party... the kkk?

as for your question, i think its safe to assume both parties have received thousands of dollars if not millions from racist...

I can name another Republican who takes money from racists. Ron Paul. Who happens to be a Republican btw, the party you are smearing.

68 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:32:14pm

re: #57 sick of it all

Strom Thurmond would have been highly offended that you think he wasn't a Democratic Party member. If he was still alive, he might even have challenged you to a duel for offending his Southern honor.

(#60 props to BSM)

IF,
R

69 jimsaco  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:32:18pm

How many votes would he lose by sending the damn money back?

How many is he losing by perpetuating the meme "Ron Paul is a racist"?

Ugh.

70 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:32:50pm
71 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:33:13pm

re: #66 bottehond

No- I just think your a salon ron paul watcher, mr. ad hominem.

72 orson  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:33:22pm

Bush & the Nazis

I voted dem my whole life, until they nominated Kerry, I suspect I'm not the only one here.....

You guys aren't going to change yer minds about this guy, and perhaps he should give the money back, but even if he did, you guys would just pile on him for being spineless, or something else.

For a guy who's supposedly got no chance, there's a lot of folks who spend a lot of time looking for bad news about him.

I await yer tomatos.

73 middlecon  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:33:31pm

So a Neo-nazi is against a police state? Funny that places like WW2 Germany and apartheid South Africa took near police states to keep them in existence. Paul's campaign is appealing to the pigpen and getting dirty in the process.

74 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:34:43pm
75 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:35:03pm

re: #69 jimsaco

If the hit boxes from David Duke and Stormfront are even close to accurate, upwards of 40,000 votes would be lost.

AROUND
ABOUT,
R

76 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:35:29pm

Yes, times have changed. When is Rudy going to fire and denounce his blatantly racist South Carolina campaign chair? (See #24). Which is worse, keeping $500 from a white supremacist or having one on the payroll representing you in the heart of Dixie?

77 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:36:23pm

re: #65 konservo

sick of it all,

r u a Paulian?

I was always a Paul supporter because he was the only person in government who followed the Austrian economics school of thought...
plus he is the only candidate that truly understands individual rights and the consitution, thats enough for me...

are you a giulianian, or a fred-head, or a christian fascist, or a romnian?

78 KentGO  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:37:40pm

re: #72 orson

Bush & the Nazis

Glad you could chew your way through the leather restraints in time to join us this evening, Ms. Sheehan.

79 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:38:01pm

re: #67 Canadian Guy

re: #57 sick of it all

re: #50 Render


re: #48 sick of it allI rather doubt that.

The Dixiecrats. Robert Byrd. Strom Thurmond. George McGovern. Fred Phelps. Etc. etc. etc...

Perhaps you have something to prove your contention?

LINKY?,
R


youre right republicans dont take money from racist they just put them in the senate (Strom Thurmond)... this guy ran as a segregationist presidential candidate, by everyone logic here, Ron Paul most be a racist because he doesnt give back money donate from racist, with this logic i cant imagine what it makes the republican party... the kkk?as for your question, i think its safe to assume both parties have received thousands of dollars if not millions from racist...

I can name another Republican who takes money from racists. Ron Paul. Who happens to be a Republican btw, the party you are smearing.

I am not smearing them for not returning donations from racist, now putting them in senate that is a different story.
If you think Paul is a racist for not giving this money back then what do you think of a party that let a known racist run as a republican for over 30 years?

80 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:38:26pm

re: #72 orson


For a guy who's supposedly got no chance, there's a lot of folks who spend a lot of time looking for bad news about him.

I await yer tomatos.

Why are we worked up about the guy?

First off, his foreign policy is a recipe for suicide.

We are also annoyed by his fanatical supporters and their poll spamming.

But, most importantly, most people here are offended and troubled by the growing 9/11 Troof movement. Ron Paul plays a sly game where he courts the votes of Troofers and gives legitimacy to a dangerous group of conspirawhackos by appearing on the Alex Jones show and other events.

81 Psaturn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:39:18pm

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

I am disgusted by this story. One thing I LOVE about Rudy is his refusal of that Saudi's dontation after 9/11.

Or compare with Hillary Clinton's return of donated funds by Mr Hsu...convicted Democratic fundraiser....now we know he did more of the pyramid schemes...using democratic affiliated donors....

The adage that if something is too good to be true, should always be remembered.

82 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:39:38pm

re: #72 orson

If he gives the money back, or donates it to the IDF, (or some other worthy cause), then he's still a numbskull with a pile of embarrassingly racist quotes to explain, but he wouldn't have to explain the openly neo-nazi contributions anymore.

Spine, or lack thereof, is irrelevant to the equation.

DORSAL,
R

83 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:39:45pm

re: #71 Sharmuta

In your mind, I am all sorts of things. Who cares?

But since you seem to be accepting yourself as some kind of expert, I will ask you a question.

Are the United States of America still admitting muslim immigrants?

If so: why is that. Because you are not at war with islam?

Explain that to me, because I have as many questions as you have.

Is there NO politician running who wants to close borders on muslims?

Just interested. I like dialogue as much as polemics. So: what's it gonna be, pup?

84 konservo  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:40:18pm

re: #77 sick of it all

How do you feel about sleazy-Ron's lies? I don't know how you can still trust him after him telling bold-faced lies.

Oh and, by the way,

Cheney 2008!

85 orson  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:40:38pm

re: #78 KentGO

re: #72 orson


Bush & the Nazis

Glad you could chew your way through the leather restraints in time to join us this evening, Ms. Sheehan.

I guess you told me, eh ?

86 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:41:43pm

re: #72 orson

waitasec...

You linked to Rense?

GAME
OVER,
R

87 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:42:36pm

re: #79 sick of it all

Why should we listen to a word you have to say about the US election? You can't vote, so your purpose seems to be little more than to stir up trouble.

88 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:43:04pm

re: #72 orson

Bush & the Nazis

You have got to be kidding me. Rense.com?

And you work for Ron Paul?

89 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:43:19pm

re: #86 Render

Regardless of the source, the Bush-Nazi connections are real and a matter of public record.

90 orson  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:43:26pm

re: #86 Render

So the info isn't true ?

What is it with you guys ? I've been here for years, but lately I get better debates out of the toaster.

91 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:44:52pm

re: #83 bottehond

You want to ask me question while you insult me with your name calling- you can forget any answers from me- I already gave you a link, which you've clearly ignored. See if anyone else will put up with your ad hominem and be polite back to you. But please- feel free to tell the "limousine islam watchers" of LGF how it's done in europe.

92 justiceforall  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:44:53pm

The head of a white supremacist group is named Don Black?

93 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:45:44pm

re: #84 konservo

re: #77 sick of it all

How do you feel about sleazy-Ron's lies? I don't know how you can still trust him after him telling bold-faced lies.

Oh and, by the way,

Cheney 2008!

what lies?
you mean like the lies of controlling spending and being for limited government and then expanding government more than any other president since LBJ, that is what your boy did...

94 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:45:53pm
95 DoubleU  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:46:29pm

re: #62 sick of it all
...and I have heard many racists homophobic liberals what is your point?

96 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:47:16pm

re: #87 Charles

re: #79 sick of it all

Why should we listen to a word you have to say about the US election? You can't vote, so your purpose seems to be little more than to stir up trouble.

I voted for Bush in 04 and lived in the US the last 5 years... until now as you can see from my IP...

97 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:47:22pm

Oh look! The "George W. Bush is a real Nazi because his grandpappy once had tenuous connections to them 70 years ago" slander from Democratic Underground rears its head. Geez, you guys must be seriously desperate.

98 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:47:34pm

re: #83 bitternut

Maybe you haven't noticed...

"We" are not at war with the entirety of Islam itself, that's a different discussion for a different day and thread.

Furthermore, we are not, and have not been, in a "total war" situation, yet. This nation is kicking the crap out of the Islamic terrorists all over the world, (except in our courtrooms), without even flexing our muscles.

If we were to go to a total warfare mode, (as we did in WW1 and WW2), the face of the planet would be changed forever, again.

BET
ME,
R

99 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:48:24pm

The truth about the Prescott Bush tall tales:

[Link: www.straightdope.com...]

100 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:49:28pm

re: #95 DoubleU

re: #62 sick of it all
...and I have heard many racists homophobic liberals what is your point?

not a point it a question, I am still trying to get an answer if Paul is a racist from not giving back donations to a racist, in youre (most people posting here) eyes what does that make the republican party, a party that took in a known racist and let him run as senator for over 30 years...

101 mean Gene  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:49:43pm

According to the Federal Election Commission
[Link: query.nictusa.com...]

Ron Paul refunded contributions to
(a) Individuals/Persons Other Than Political Committees in the amount of $39,872.15 since declaring.
So, it's not like he couldn't return the money, he's returned other contributions.
He simply doesn't want to.

102 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:50:24pm

re: #99 Charles

Aha! Thanks for posting that, Charles.

I have that link bookmarked somewhere, but couldn't find it...

103 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:50:25pm

re: #88 Charles

re: #85 orson


re: #78 KentGO

re: #72 orson

Bush & the Nazis

Glad you could chew your way through the leather restraints in time to join us this evening, Ms. Sheehan.

I guess you told me, eh ?

You have got to be kidding me. Rense.com?

And you work for Ron Paul?

For those not familiar with Mr. Rense

Jeff Rense is an American conspiracy theorist and radio talk-show host of the Jeff Rense Program, broadcast on US satellite radio via Genesis Communications Network (GCN) and Internet radio.[1]

Rense's radio program and website, Rense.com,[2] cover subjects such as UFO reporting, paranormal phenomena, conspiracy theories, tracking of new diseases & possible resultant pandemics, environmental concerns (see chemtrails), possible evidence of advanced ancient technology, geopolitical developments and emergent energy technologies, complementary and alternative medicine among other subjects.

Show topics & previous guests
Two recurring themes on the Rense show are a general mistrust of the establishment, and the claim that the attacks on the New York World Trade Center on September 11, 2001 were orchestrated by Zionist neoconservative elements within the US Government, the CIA and the Israeli Mossad. Regular guests include conspiracy theorists, ufologists, and critics of the establishment such as congresswoman Cynthia McKinney.

Yeah, Ron Paul ain't attracting whackos like a magnet.

104 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:50:48pm

re: #98 Render

re: #83 bitternut

Maybe you haven't noticed...

"We" are not at war with the entirety of Islam itself, that's a different discussion for a different day and thread.

Furthermore, we are not, and have not been, in a "total war" situation, yet. This nation is kicking the crap out of the Islamic terrorists all over the world, (except in our courtrooms), without even flexing our muscles.

If we were to go to a total warfare mode, (as we did in WW1 and WW2), the face of the planet would be changed forever, again.

BET
ME,
R

I disagree we very much are at war with islam, and ideological war, unfortunately our president cant see that...

105 middlecon  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:51:01pm

As for Ron Paul in general....his domestic policies are ok with me...going to the gold standard would probably hurt the economy in the short term but would eventually work itself out. However, his 'isolationistism' as he doesn't call it would be a complete disaster. Iran,China and Islamic facism would only become stronger until we see something about 100x worse than 9/11. Its true he's only going to get 10% tops in the primaries but alot of the people that support him, outside of the core 'been a Libertarian' forever people, are people that have the most problems with the basic facts of history, conspiracy theorists and neo-nazis. So its basically Paul's supporters more than Paul himself that is what I am against.

106 Texas Joel  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:51:19pm

re: #77 sick of it all

re: #65 konservo

sick of it all,

r u a Paulian?

I was always a Paul supporter because he was the only person in government who followed the Austrian economics school of thought...
plus he is the only candidate that truly understands individual rights and the Constitution, thats enough for me...

are you a giulianian, or a fred-head, or a christian fascist, or a romnian?

Ron Paul as no understanding of the Constitution.
My favorite Paul-ism is the leftist canard that the Congress must "declare war" for the US to engage in military action. Firstly, the Congress is not required to title the resolution "Declaration of War against ____". Secondly, the military may be engaged in any activity by the Commander in Chief. Third what "Declaring" "War" allows the quartering of troops in private homes, and the suspension of habeas corpus. There is no provision in the Constitution requiring 'war' to send US forces overseas.

107 konservo  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:52:06pm

re: #93 sick of it all

LOL! Please, he feigned ignorance when Beck asked him about all the twoofer conspiracy loons that support him:

But he's gone on Alex Jones' show several times and he's met, in person, with trooofers:

"Dr." Ron Paul is a liar.

108 Former Belgian  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:52:46pm

re: #72 orson

Bush & the Nazis

You're quoting a whacko conspiracy theorist and Troofer --- a f*cking antisemite at that. What's your point?

109 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:53:31pm

Ron Paul's blatant racism:

[Link: www.chron.com...]

Texas congressional candidate Ron Paul's 1992 political newsletter highlighted portrayals of blacks as inclined toward crime and lacking sense about top political issues.

Under the headline of ""Terrorist Update," for instance, Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and commented, ""If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

Ron Paul's anti-Israel bias (with more than a hint of antisemitism):

In later newsletters, Paul aimed criticism at the Israeli government's U.S. lobbying efforts and reported allegations that President Clinton used cocaine and fathered illegitimate children.

Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, ""By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.

110 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:53:32pm

re: #108 Former Belgian

re: #72 orson
Bush & the Nazis
You're quoting a whacko conspiracy theorist and Troofer --- a f*cking antisemite at that. What's your point?

Grasping at straw(men)?

111 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:54:26pm

re: #99 Charles

Nice whitewash, but there's a little more to it than that.

112 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:54:51pm

Shades of the VB apologists.

Quote from and/or link a neo-nazi or WN website to "prove" that VB is not a neo-nazi/WN political group.

SAME
PLAYBOOK?,
R

113 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:56:11pm

re: #111 Q-Burn

re: #99 Charles

Nice whitewash, but there's a little more to it than that.

Oh yeah. That's another highly credible source. Filed under "New World Order."

You've got to be kidding.

114 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:56:22pm

re: #112 Render

Shades of the VB apologists.

Quote from and/or link a neo-nazi or WN website to "prove" that VB is not a neo-nazi/WN political group.

SAME
PLAYBOOK?,
R

You noticed?

;^)

115 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:57:26pm

re: #113 Charles

re: #111 Q-Burn
re: #99 Charles

Nice whitewash, but there's a little more to it than that.

Oh yeah. That's another highly credible source.

They probably have a whole folder's worth of conspiracy theory links.

How many more will we see tonight?

116 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:58:24pm

re: #113 Charles

Bush family assets were seized under the Trading With The Enemy Act after war broke out. That is a matter of public record. I rest my case.

117 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:58:38pm

re: #105 middlecon

Its true he's only going to get 10% tops in the primaries but alot of the people that support him, outside of the core 'been a Libertarian' forever people, are people that have the most problems with the basic facts of history, conspiracy theorists and neo-nazis. So its basically Paul's supporters more than Paul himself that is what I am against.

What do you think about him making four appearances on Alex Jones' radio show? Is that the fault of his supporters?

118 fsjonesy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:58:47pm

re: #111 Q-Burn

Can you link to one source that isn't a conspiracy kook site?

119 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 4:59:03pm

If you had ever read Cecil Adams, by the way, you would realize how flat-out stupid it is to call his piece a "whitewash." Maybe you should spend less time on New World Order web sites that rant about vaccines being a government plot.

Sheesh.

120 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:00:14pm

re: #116 Q-Burn

You're resting your case on a single share of stock, out of 4,000 shares.

BALANCE,
R

121 Former Belgian  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:00:17pm

re: #97 Spiny Norman

Oh look! The "George W. Bush is a real Nazi because his grandpappy once had tenuous connections to them 70 years ago" slander from Democratic Underground rears its head. Geez, you guys must be seriously desperate.

By that standard JFK would have been ten times worse, because there the f*cking antisemite and "Nazis aren't so bad" guy would have been his father.

Besides, even Bush 41 (abu Dubya) already made it pretty clear what he thought of his father's opinions in that regard. It's one reason he left the banking business and the East Coast for Texas and the oil business. Also, while at Yale and a member of the Skull and Bones fraternity, he was instrumental in opening it up to blacks and Jews.

I know, as the Bard wrote, the evil that man do lives on and on....

122 VetteMan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:00:22pm

There's a reason why white supremacists, neo-nazis, anti-semites and others of the kind flock to Ron Paul. It's not by coincidence.

[Link: groups.google.com...]

[Link: blogcritics.org...]

[Link: www.opednews.com...]

These white power groups know exactly why they are supporting Ron Paul.

In the first link, to Ron Paul's racist newsletter from the early 90s (note the date on it from google archives), Ron Paul supporters will dismiss it and say that it was a ghost writer. The problem with that though, is in 1996, Ron Paul actually accepted responsibility for the newsletter and defended it in an interview.

123 konservo  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:00:51pm

re: #111 Q-Burn

From the "About" page in your link:

[Leonard G. Horowitz] is most famous for his stirring bestellers, Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola-- Nature, Accident or Intentional? and Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse which revealed Bible codes hidden for 3,000 years that have major implications for personal and world healing.

This guy thinks AIDS and Ebola were created intentionally? Come on, man, you can find a better source than this... can't you?

124 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:01:20pm

re: #119 Charles

If this keeps up, peeps are gonna think I'm your sock-puppet...

MINI
ME,
R

125 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:01:26pm

re: #118 fsjonesy

Does Fox News qualify?

126 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:01:55pm

My, my, my, what's going on here? We got RP and VB enthusiasts on the same thread.

/two movements headed nowhere in a hurry

127 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:02:02pm

re: #124 Render

I thought it was gordon.... ;)

128 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:02:38pm

re: #126 Killian Bundy

My, my, my, what's going on here? We got RP and VB enthusiasts on the same thread.

/two movements headed nowhere in a hurry

It's no accident.

129 Texas Joel  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:02:53pm

re: #100 sick of it all

re: #95 DoubleU

re: #62 sick of it all
...and I have heard many racists homophobic liberals what is your point?

not a point it a question, I am still trying to get an answer if Paul is a racist from not giving back donations to a racist, in youre (most people posting here) eyes what does that make the republican party, a party that took in a known racist and let him run as senator for over 30 years...

Thurmond is not a "known racist".
Thurmond represented a state, and was bound to represent the people's wishes. South Carolina and other southern states were resisting an unConstitutional intrusion into state affairs. Of course for the good of the nation, but since you think it is important to follow the letter of the Constitution, no matter how harmful, you (personally) can't honestly be critical of Thurmond.

Thurmond was among the first US Senators to hire black staffers to work in the Capitol. Thurmond was instrumental in passing MLK, Jr holiday bill.

130 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:04:10pm

re: #120 Render

re: #116 Q-Burn

You're resting your case on a single share of stock, out of 4,000 shares.

BALANCE,
R

I'm sure if it was Ron Paul's family you'd cut him some slack for "only" one share. Right?

131 mean Gene  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:04:48pm

re: #106 Texas Joel

Ron Paul as no understanding of the Constitution.
My favorite Paul-ism is the leftist canard that the Congress must "declare war" for the US to engage in military action. Firstly, the Congress is not required to title the resolution "Declaration of War against ____". Secondly, the military may be engaged in any activity by the Commander in Chief. Third what "Declaring" "War" allows the quartering of troops in private homes, and the suspension of habeas corpus. There is no provision in the Constitution requiring 'war' to send US forces overseas.

That's good but I always loved how Alexander Hamilton called anyone who thought Congress had to declare war before the US could be involved in was an idiot...."But when a foreign nation declares, or openly and avowedly makes war upon the United States, they are then by the very fact, already at war, and any declaration on the part of Congress is nugatory: it is at least unnecessary. ...... Who could restrain the laugh of derision at positions so preposterous, were it not for the reflection that in the first magistrate of our country, they cast a blemish on our national character? What will the world think of the fold when such is the shepherd?"
[Link: press-pubs.uchicago.edu...]

132 fsjonesy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:05:07pm

Can it be Banhammer time now please?

133 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:05:30pm

re: #119 Charles

If you had ever read Cecil Adams, by the way, you would realize how flat-out stupid it is to call his piece a "whitewash." Maybe you should less time on New World Order web sites that rant about vaccines being a government plot.

Sheesh.

That explains why Ron Paul wants to eliminate the FDA.

134 middlecon  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:05:56pm

re: #117 Canadian Guy

Yeah I have to plead ignorance that I don't know what he said on Alex Jones stupid show. I know Paul belives in the 'one world government' thing. No other than Ronald Regan praised Paul, so I assume he hasn't always been a horrible guy, he just became the 'candidate of the kooks'.

135 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:07:07pm

re: #125 Q-Burn

Does Fox News qualify?

So that makes Bush . . . a Nazi?

/I'm sure it means something

136 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:09:08pm

re: #128 Charles

Dude, I support not a living political soul but Ayaan and Geert Wilders.

That means you could not possibly be referring to me, right?

137 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:09:13pm

re: #109 Charles

Ron Paul's blatant racism:

[Link: www.chron.com...]

Texas congressional candidate Ron Paul's 1992 political newsletter highlighted portrayals of blacks as inclined toward crime and lacking sense about top political issues.

Under the headline of ""Terrorist Update," for instance, Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and commented, ""If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

Ron Paul's anti-Israel bias (with more than a hint of antisemitism):

In later newsletters, Paul aimed criticism at the Israeli government's U.S. lobbying efforts and reported allegations that President Clinton used cocaine and fathered illegitimate children.

Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, ""By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.

he never wrote that, he refuted those allegations over 15 years ago...

138 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:10:01pm

re: #100 sick of it all

re: #95 DoubleU

re: #62 sick of it all
...and I have heard many racists homophobic liberals what is your point?

not a point it a question, I am still trying to get an answer if Paul is a racist from not giving back donations to a racist, in youre (most people posting here) eyes what does that make the republican party, a party that took in a known racist and let him run as senator for over 30 years...

The Democrat Party has a sitting Senator that was a Grand Kleagle of the KKK. (R. Byrd)

139 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:10:09pm

re: #122 VetteMan

Patrick Coemans!

140 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:10:33pm

The Fox News article confirms what Cecil Adams wrote, and flatly contradicts the garbage at those two conspiracy web sites.

141 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:10:36pm

re: #135 Killian Bundy

I was asked for a link and I provided it. They report... youi decide.

142 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:11:13pm

re: #109 Charles

Thank you for showing the real Ron Paul time after time. I wonder if the Paulistas/Troofers will wake up before the primaries. They seem to have had lobotomies.

143 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:11:21pm

re: #137 sick of it all

What does he say in his defence? Do you know that too?

144 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:11:42pm

re: #136 bottehond

re: #128 Charles

Dude, I support not a living political soul but Ayaan and Geert Wilders.

That means you could not possibly be referring to me, right?

Remember, he's a Yank.

/maybe you should try kicking him awake

145 DoubleU  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:12:17pm

re: #110 Spiny Norman

You know I kept looking at your handle and wondering where I knew it from. Couldn't figure it out where I knew that name. Then I remembered. Great user name.

146 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:14:01pm

re: #140 Charles

From the link:

Union Banking was seized by the government in October 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act (search).

No charges were brought against Union Banking's American directors. The federal government was too busy trying to fight the war, said Donald Goldstein, a professor of public and international affairs at the University of Pittsburgh.

"We did not have the resources to do these things," Goldstein said.

Well I guess that's exoneration then.

147 fsjonesy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:14:17pm

re: #137 sick of it all

THEN WHY, DARE TELL, DID HE SIGN HIS NAME TO IT?

148 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:14:46pm

re: #112 Render

Render, you are an intelligent and integer man (?).

Come with suggestions to solutions, the point has been maid.

Or are you only the watchdog?

149 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:14:57pm
150 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:15:15pm

re: #129 Texas Joel

re: #100 sick of it all

re: #95 DoubleU

re: #62 sick of it all
...and I have heard many racists homophobic liberals what is your point?

not a point it a question, I am still trying to get an answer if Paul is a racist from not giving back donations to a racist, in youre (most people posting here) eyes what does that make the republican party, a party that took in a known racist and let him run as senator for over 30 years...

Thurmond is not a "known racist".
Thurmond represented a state, and was bound to represent the people's wishes. South Carolina and other southern states were resisting an unConstitutional intrusion into state affairs. Of course for the good of the nation, but since you think it is important to follow the letter of the Constitution, no matter how harmful, you (personally) can't honestly be critical of Thurmond.

Thurmond was among the first US Senators to hire black staffers to work in the Capitol. Thurmond was instrumental in passing MLK, Jr holiday bill.

ha, that is just funny, he ran as a segregationist candidate, lol...
pandering through legislation of little importance is a pathetic way to prove he is not a racist, especially with his history... that is like anti-israeli groups claiming they dont hate jews because they have jews working with them... and don imus also has a black co host and sports reporter does that make him not a racist?

151 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:15:15pm

re: #144 Killian Bundy

I think he is more awake than you.

152 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:15:34pm

re: #141 Q-Burn

I was asked for a link and I provided it. They report... youi decide.

Okay, let me see if I get this. Bush had a grandfather, who worked for a Bank that financed Hitler 70 years ago is the same as Ron Paul accepting money directly from Nazis in 2007.

/is that about right?

153 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:16:02pm

re: #137 sick of it all

he never wrote that, he refuted those allegations over 15 years ago...

Oh really? So you're claiming he never wrote this:

[Link: groups.google.com...]

Notice the date: 1993. How could he refute it "over 15 years ago?"

154 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:16:09pm

Uh- Ayaan's in America now due to "staunch" support in the Netherlands.

155 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:18:10pm

re: #154 Sharmuta

Despite my efforts up untill now. Don't be presumptious.

Why don't you answer my question?

Feeling uncomfortable with it?

Good.

156 DoubleU  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:18:27pm

It is great how such an fool, supported by racists, lefties, and conspiracy freaks gets such active threads.

157 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:18:41pm

re: #138 rawmuse

re: #100 sick of it all

re: #95 DoubleU

re: #62 sick of it all
...and I have heard many racists homophobic liberals what is your point?

not a point it a question, I am still trying to get an answer if Paul is a racist from not giving back donations to a racist, in youre (most people posting here) eyes what does that make the republican party, a party that took in a known racist and let him run as senator for over 30 years...

The Democrat Party has a sitting Senator that was a Grand Kleagle of the KKK. (R. Byrd)


so that should discredit both a parties then...
just answer my question I am not the one saying someone is racist because he receives donations from racist...

Walter Williams endorsed Paul, what does that make Walter Williams?
[Link: www.capmag.com...]

158 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:19:10pm

re: #152 Killian Bundy

re: #141 Q-Burn

I was asked for a link and I provided it. They report... youi decide.
Okay, let me see if I get this. Bush had a grandfather, who worked for a Bank that financed Hitler 70 years ago is the same as Ron Paul accepting money directly from Nazis in 2007.

/is that about right?

No it's not the same at all. The Bush connection is much more direct. They were fronting for Hitler in America.

159 VetteMan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:20:07pm
re: #137 sick of it all
he never wrote that, he refuted those allegations over 15 years ago...

Incorrect. Not only did he write it, but he actually defended it here:

[Link: www.chron.com...]


Paul, a Republican obstetrician from Surfside, said Wednesday he opposes racism and that his written commentaries about blacks came in the context of ""current events and statistical reports of the time."

...

A campaign spokesman for Paul said statements about the fear of black males mirror pronouncements by black leaders such as the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who has decried the spread of urban crime.

Paul continues to write the newsletter for an undisclosed number of subscribers, the spokesman said.

Not only did Ron Paul write these racist comments in his article, but as illustrated, he accept responsibility for them and defended them. As did his campaign spokesman.

160 fsjonesy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:21:14pm

re: #158 Q-Burn

HAHAHA OH WOW
Moron doesn't even begin to describe....

161 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:21:45pm

re: #158 Q-Burn

No it's not the same at all. The Bush connection is much more direct. They were fronting for Hitler in America.

I'm sorry, was GWB even born yet?

/maybe he could go back in time and kill his grandfather, but then would he even exist?

162 gadlaw  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:22:32pm

re: #91 Sharmuta

re: #83 bottehond

You want to ask me question while you insult me with your name calling- you can forget any answers from me- I already gave you a link, which you've clearly ignored. See if anyone else will put up with your ad hominem and be polite back to you.

The level of hostility and lynch mob internet mentality is pretty high here. You give an opinion that the mob doesn't agree with and you're an idiot and a list of other derogatory names. If you try to point out you aren't an idiot then you're some uppity fool who thinks you're better than other people. Discussion is mostly pointless, reasoned argument is not something you'll get from many here. And then they'll demand you write them a term paper to prove your opinion while calling you an idiot and it wouldn't matter anyways since they'll dismiss anything you say or any facts you bring up. I've been registered here a fair while and usually am only motivated to comment when there's something really outrageous but wasn't set on by the mob until I thought some Ron Paul derogatory comments were over the top. But at least, unlike giving your opinion elsewhere I didn't get death threats by members of the religion of peace as I've had or had my mailbox bombed for not having a correct opinion.

163 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:22:38pm

re: #158 Q-Burn

re: #152 Killian Bundy

re: #141 Q-Burn

I was asked for a link and I provided it. They report... youi decide.

Okay, let me see if I get this. Bush had a grandfather, who worked for a Bank that financed Hitler 70 years ago is the same as Ron Paul accepting money directly from Nazis in 2007./is that about right?

No it's not the same at all. The Bush connection is much more direct. They were fronting for Hitler in America.

Complete BS. From the Fox News article:

Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press.

Fritz Thyssen was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence Bush directly aided that effort.

164 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:23:12pm

re: #160 fsjonesy

I guess you didn't read the Fox article. The only reason Prescott escaped prosecution is because the government didn't have the resources.

165 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:24:09pm

re: #162 gadlaw

re: #91 Sharmuta

re: #83 bottehond

You want to ask me question while you insult me with your name calling- you can forget any answers from me- I already gave you a link, which you've clearly ignored. See if anyone else will put up with your ad hominem and be polite back to you.

The level of hostility and lynch mob internet mentality is pretty high here. You give an opinion that the mob doesn't agree with and you're an idiot and a list of other derogatory names. If you try to point out you aren't an idiot then you're some uppity fool who thinks you're better than other people. Discussion is mostly pointless, reasoned argument is not something you'll get from many here. And then they'll demand you write them a term paper to prove your opinion while calling you an idiot and it wouldn't matter anyways since they'll dismiss anything you say or any facts you bring up. I've been registered here a fair while and usually am only motivated to comment when there's something really outrageous but wasn't set on by the mob until I thought some Ron Paul derogatory comments were over the top. But at least, unlike giving your opinion elsewhere I didn't get death threats by members of the religion of peace as I've had or had my mailbox bombed for not having a correct opinion.

What "death threat?" You've already admitted you could not substantiate that claim. Why are you repeating it?

166 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:24:51pm

re: #162 gadlaw

I don't even know what Ron Paul is about.

All I did was asking questions, okay?

Djeez.

167 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:25:53pm

re: #153 Charles

re: #137 sick of it all

he never wrote that, he refuted those allegations over 15 years ago...

Oh really? So you're claiming he never wrote this:

[Link: groups.google.com...]

Notice the date: 1993. How could he refute it "over 15 years ago?"

ah, my math was off, this was brought up when he ran for congress again and like I said it was refuted already, there where other people writing the newsletter...

168 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:25:57pm

re: #165 Charles

Get him, Charles. He kicked my ass for nothing. What a wacko.

169 fsjonesy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:25:59pm

re: #164 Q-Burn

The fox article actually refutes those claims.

170 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:26:02pm

re: #122 VetteMan

There's a reason why white supremacists, neo-nazis, anti-semites and others of the kind flock to Ron Paul. It's not by coincidence.

[Link: groups.google.com...]

[Link: blogcritics.org...]

[Link: www.opednews.com...]

These white power groups know exactly why they are supporting Ron Paul.

In the first link, to Ron Paul's racist newsletter from the early 90s (note the date on it from google archives), Ron Paul supporters will dismiss it and say that it was a ghost writer. The problem with that though, is in 1996, Ron Paul actually accepted responsibility for the newsletter and defended it in an interview.

The second link is interesting

Snip

In 1996 in an article, in the Houston Chronicle, “...Paul, a Republican obstetrician from Surfside, said Wednesday he opposes racism and that his written commentaries about blacks came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time." ... Paul, writing in his independent political newsletter in 1992, reported about unspecified surveys of blacks. "Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action," Paul wrote. Paul continued that politically sensible blacks are outnumbered "as decent people." Citing reports that 85 percent of all black men in the District of Columbia are arrested, Paul wrote: "Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," Paul said. Paul also wrote that although "we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.”

171 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:26:46pm

re: #162 gadlaw

Are you talking to me or bottehond, because bottehond is the one calling derogatory names to others and LGF in general, not me.

172 fsjonesy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:27:03pm

re: #167 sick of it all

Actually, he didn't refute it, but rather defended it.

173 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:27:14pm

re: #156 DoubleU

It is great how such an fool, supported by racists, lefties, and conspiracy freaks gets such active threads.

where do Judge Napolitano and Walter Williams fall into? racist or conspiracy freaks?

174 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:27:58pm

re: #167 sick of it all

ah, my math was off, this was brought up when he ran for congress again and like I said it was refuted already, there where other people writing the newsletter...

You're wrong. He did not refute it. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

175 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:28:02pm

re: #166 bottehond

And I gave you a link that should have kept you busy reading for at least an hour- you're not interested, as your behavior shows.

176 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:28:02pm

re: #67 Canadian Guy

And the cult of islam loves him so much that they have set up this website to get them to register and vote for their friend.

177 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:29:03pm

re: #163 Charles

Hey, that's no fair quoting from his own link.

/like controlled demolitions, it's a pattern, they just don't think the conspiracy theories all the way through or else they'd find the glaring flaws like the rest of us do

178 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:29:52pm

This guy froths at the mouth a lot, but the sourcing and footnotes are impeccable. More than you ever wanted to know about the Bush-Nazi connection.

179 Meremortal  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:30:25pm

Watching my Lizard friends get introduced to Ron Paul whackos is hysterical. Lizards, Ron Paul could commit murder in the public square and these people would still support him. They would send him letters in prison and write him in on the presidential ballot.

Paul's supporters seem to fall mainly into two categories:

1. Anti-war, and nothing else Paul says or does matters. (These are leftists or Buchananites, and capable of extreme cognitive dissonance.)

2. Sociopaths suffering from anomie.

There is no reasoning with them, they are irrational. They should be ignored, insulted or mocked, whichever gives you the most pleasure.

180 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:30:57pm

re: #178 Q-Burn

This guy froths at the mouth a lot, but the sourcing and footnotes are impeccable. More than you ever wanted to know about the Bush-Nazi connection.

That's rich. Another nutjob.

181 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:31:26pm

re: #134 middlecon

re: #117 Canadian Guy

Yeah I have to plead ignorance that I don't know what he said on Alex Jones stupid show. I know Paul belives in the 'one world government' thing. No other than Ronald Regan praised Paul, so I assume he hasn't always been a horrible guy, he just became the 'candidate of the kooks'.

Paul has appeared on the Alex Jones radio program not once, not twice, but three times. Jones is the sort who believes that black helicopters are coming to impose a police state on America. He is quite concerned about the Bohemian Grove, the Bilderbergers, the federal election system (it's rigged, of course) and so on. Naturally, he believes that 9/11 was an inside job. Ron Paul has even appeared in a Jones film, "Endgame," the point of which is apparently that the Bilderbergers are plotting to control the world. They've already got Europe (through the European Union) and now are on the verge of securing America by means of a North American union that would unite Mexico, the United States and Canada.

Even if Paul says nothing insane in this film, his appearance alone calls his judgment into question. I have not seen "Endgame," but I have heard a tape of Paul on the Jones program just after the 2006 election. Jones asked the congressman whether the victory for the Democrats wasn't a "rejection of neo-fascist imperialism." Paul replied, "Yeah . . . This was a healthy election as far as I'm concerned."

[Link: www.townhall.com...]

182 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:32:38pm

Crackpots, by the way, are expert at writing authentic-looking footnotes. Have you checked to make sure that they're all correct, or are you taking the word of a VERY OBVIOUS ranting lunatic?

183 orson  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:32:48pm

Charles, my point is this....

In 2004, I had several folks telling me about the connection, and I voted for Bush anyways. I googled it and put up the first link I found. I don't know anymore who's the conspiracy, and who's the truth. I look at a lot of different newsites, and try and come up with what I believe to be consistent with what I believe.

But why are you so focused on this guy, if he has no chance ? Why waste all this bandwidth on a loser ?

And how is it possible to want and stay in a debate when people are calling me Cindy Sheehan. That sure don't help you. Why don't you post up the L.G.F. prayer again.

184 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:32:54pm

re: #171 Sharmuta

Answer my question, if you can. That' s all.

185 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:33:21pm

re: #148 bitternut

I have offered "solutions" in the past, on both of these related subjects.

In the case of the International Counter-Jihad, just lose VB and SD and the rest of the neo-nazis, White Nationalists, and outright racists. You saw what they did to SIOE, do you think they won't do it again and again and again? I'd rather have a gazillion screaming Hindus on my side then even one neo-nazi party wrecker.

Ron Paul's solution could be very similar, except that he would also have to explain, or at least, apologize, for decades of thinly veiled racism and anti-Semitism. In doing so, RP would unquestionably lose a large percentage of his political base. And that doesn't even begin to cover RP's 911 troofer connections.

Botte, I give credit where credit is due. I also give discredit when it is due.

IN
SPADES,
R

186 Texas Joel  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:33:28pm

re: #150 sick of it all


But you cannot be critical of Thurmond and supportive of Paul because your critique of Thurmond is that he didn't violate the Constitution as narrowly (or even not so narrowly) read and your support of Paul is based on Paul's very narrow reading of the same document.

187 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:35:13pm

re: #179 Meremortal

Watching my Lizard friends get introduced to Ron Paul whackos is hysterical. Lizards, Ron Paul could commit murder in the public square and these people would still support him. They would send him letters in prison and write him in on the presidential ballot.

Paul's supporters seem to fall mainly into two categories:

1. Anti-war, and nothing else Paul says or does matters. (These are leftists or Buchananites, and capable of extreme cognitive dissonance.)

2. Sociopaths suffering from anomie.

There is no reasoning with them, they are irrational. They should be ignored, insulted or mocked, whichever gives you the most pleasure.

again I ask, where do you classify Walter Williams and Judge Napolitano?

188 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:35:21pm

Here's a very interesting link from neo-Nazi hate site Vanguard News Network:

Ron Paul Lies About Lack Of Involvement With White Nationalists - Vanguard News Network Forum.

Ron Paul Lies About Lack Of Involvement With White Nationalists

Comrades:

I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn't see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul's extensive involvement in white nationalism.

Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.

I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.

For his spokesman to call white racialism a "small ideology" and claim white activists are "wasting their money" trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.

I don't know that it is necessarily good for Paul to "expose" this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous -- and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.

Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party

189 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:37:26pm

And when confronted with the truth, they find a way around it until the theory becomes more convoluted than a Rube Goldberg contraption.

/the troof knows no logical boundaries and has no obligations to factual reality, for it is the troof

190 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:37:40pm

re: #184 bottehond

Do you have a reading problem? I'm not answering to ad hominem attack artists. You asked a question- I gave you an answer in the form of a link- you attacked me for it. Go read up on ron paul, since that's what you wanted to know in the first place.

191 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:38:19pm

re: #182 Charles

In all this confusion,an independant group should sort things out.

Nobody is getting any further by showing more pics and stories that go with them.

Some of this info comes from suspicious sources. They suck as well as what they say they fight.

* into the basket *

192 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:38:53pm

re: #186 Texas Joel

re: #150 sick of it all


But you cannot be critical of Thurmond and supportive of Paul because your critique of Thurmond is that he didn't violate the Constitution as narrowly (or even not so narrowly) read and your support of Paul is based on Paul's very narrow reading of the same document.

thurmond was an admitted racist running as presidential candidate on a segregation policy.

I dont think Paul's interpretation of the constitution is narrow, although I dont agree with him that some issues should be state issues...

193 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:39:28pm

Folks, you could have RP on tape murdering puppies and babies and his loony supporters would still call him the messiah.
They are exactly like the leftists in that they minimize, deny, and deliberately ignore anything that hurts their fantasy.

194 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:39:51pm

re: #190 Sharmuta

In that case you should answer me, because if anything, that is not me.

I am a pain in the ass, sure.

A menace to society, why not.

But I still asked you a relevant question you are evading.

195 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:40:18pm

re: #188 Charles

You don't even want to know who else attends those "dinners."

Actually, you already do...

IT'S
THEM,
R

196 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:41:34pm

re: #167 sick of it all

re: #153 Charles


re: #137 sick of it all

he never wrote that, he refuted those allegations over 15 years ago...

Oh really? So you're claiming he never wrote this:

[Link: groups.google.com...]

Notice the date: 1993. How could he refute it "over 15 years ago?"


ah, my math was off, this was brought up when he ran for congress again and like I said it was refuted already, there where other people writing the newsletter...

Link?

197 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:41:36pm

re: #195 Render

re: #188 Charles

You don't even want to know who else attends those "dinners."

Actually, you already do...

IT'S
THEM,
R

Yes, I do. This is getting more than a little creepy.

198 Meremortal  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:42:19pm

re: #187 sick of it all

re: #179 Meremortal


again I ask, where do you classify Walter Williams and Judge Napolitano?


---------------

Sorry, I don't chat with the insane.

199 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:42:42pm

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that Bush's grandfather was a SS-Sturmführer at Auschwitz.

/what does that have to do with his grandson, GWB?

200 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:43:12pm

re: #188 Charles

Here's a very interesting link from neo-Nazi hate site Vanguard News Network:

Ron Paul Lies About Lack Of Involvement With White Nationalists - Vanguard News Network Forum.

Ron Paul Lies About Lack Of Involvement With White Nationalists

Comrades:

I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn't see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul's extensive involvement in white nationalism.

Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.

I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.

For his spokesman to call white racialism a "small ideology" and claim white activists are "wasting their money" trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.

I don't know that it is necessarily good for Paul to "expose" this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous -- and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.

Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party

youre saying to others to get better soruces and you quote a guy on a forum? and a socialist non the less, he must really hate Paul...

201 Meremortal  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:43:35pm

re: #193 Hard Right

Folks, you could have RP on tape murdering puppies and babies and his loony supporters would still call him the messiah.
They are exactly like the leftists in that they minimize, deny, and deliberately ignore anything that hurts their fantasy.

See my #179. Great minds and all that.

202 KentGO  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:44:30pm

re: #183 orson

Charles, my point is this....

And how is it possible to want and stay in a debate when people are calling me Cindy Sheehan.

Spout the exact same drivel, syllable for syllable... and: that'll happen.

203 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:45:17pm

re: #194 bottehond

I am a pain in the ass, sure.

A menace to society, why not.

Oh, you're much more than that.

/don't sell yourself short moby

204 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:45:32pm

re: #198 Meremortal

re: #187 sick of it all

re: #179 Meremortal


again I ask, where do you classify Walter Williams and Judge Napolitano?
---------------

Sorry, I don't chat with the insane.

I dont want to chat with you, but since you can classify ron paul supporters so well I wanted to know where you would classify Judge napolitano and Walter Williams...
are they insane as well?

205 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:45:43pm

re: #188 Charles

[Link: query.nictusa.com...]

Scroll down to the "T" section...

SMOKIN,
R

206 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:45:45pm

re: #194 bottehond

because if anything, that is not me.

You mean an ad hominem attack artist? Your posting history shows something else. You're a disingenuous moby, and thus not a worthy opponent in this debate. The LGF prayer may be gone, but it is not forgotten.

207 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:48:12pm

re: #176 NY Nana

re: #67 Canadian Guy

And the cult of islam loves him so much that they have set up this website to get them to register and vote for their friend.

This is worth snipping, which I love to do

Why should YOU vote for Ron Paul?
Assalaamu Alaikum Brothers and Sisters,

You can help by sharing and sending this note to all the Muslims you know as well as by registering as a Republican and voting for Ron Paul in the Republican primaries in your state. Here's why: Muslims and Americans have an unique window of opportunity for the 2008 election. There is a candidate running as a Republican that would work to completely cut off the funding to Israel, remove ALL US troops from Arab lands, and repeal the Patriot Act. He's a Republican with Libertarian views named Ron Paul. Ron Paul's policies ranging from monetary to foreign are top notch.

Till now Muslims and Americans have not had an American Presidential candidate that really suited their best interests. This election is unique in that we have a man running as a Republican that speaks the truth. Much of the our foreign policy in the Middle East has been influenced heavily by AIPAC, the pro-Israeli lobby, to the detriment of Muslims in the Middle East. As American Muslims, we are blessed to live in the US where we have the freedom to let our policymakers know how we feel about foreign policy; we may not have the power of an influential lobby but we do have the right to vote and every single vote counts. We know the current policies in the Middle East are failing, not only making it less safe in the world but hurting and killing innocent Muslims, which our media callously calls collateral damage. It is our duty as Muslims to follow the truth regardless of how futile it may seem. Ron Paul is the only candidate that does not seem to be swayed by the influential lobbies that the other candidates are catering to.

If you'd like to read some of his quotes, I've pasted them below. You can also find his speeches on YouTube here. Remember, the top-tier candidates OBAMA, HILLARY, GIULIANI, EDWARDS, ROMNEY, and MCCAIN are PRO-ISRAEL, PRO-NUKES and PRO-PREEMPTIVE WAR. DO NOT VOTE FOR THEM. They will not help us.

Brothers and Sisters, please vote for Ron Paul in the Republican Primaries. It's our obligation to come together and try to stand up for not only our best interests, but the best interests of the entire Ummah. Living here in the West, we are obligated to do so. Otherwise, we are partly to blame for all the actions our government takes in our name.

American Muslims must RISE and UNITE. Let your voice be heard. InshAllah (God-willing), we can spread the word and make a difference.

208 orson  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:48:21pm
209 Meremortal  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:48:49pm

re: #204 sick of it all

They, like Andrew Sullivan, are wrong.

Now, may you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot. And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?

Goodbye.

210 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:50:34pm

re: #197 Charles

Mail coming.

R

211 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:51:17pm

re: #201 Meremortal

re: #193 Hard Right


Folks, you could have RP on tape murdering puppies and babies and his loony supporters would still call him the messiah.
They are exactly like the leftists in that they minimize, deny, and deliberately ignore anything that hurts their fantasy.

See my #179. Great minds and all that.

Saw it after I posted.
Ran into some Ronulans on a gunboard and their response to anything I posted was, "He'll restore the Constitution!"

212 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:51:34pm

This was posted on the Denver Craigslist just a few minutes ago. It just goes to show you how dishonest the Ron Paul supporters are. And his campaign must know about these tactics.

Two causes to help Ron Paul with.
First is Operation Live Free or Die
- Targeted ads in the early primary states
- These are grassroots made, not campaign made
- If you hit your $2,300 donation limit you can still donate to this one.
[Link: www.operationnh.com...]
Second is Free At Last 2008
- It's our first Ron Paul money bomb in 2008
- Celebrates freedom and Martin Luther King Jr.
[Link: www.freeatlast2008.com...]

They will try and find every way to keep this idiot financed.

Walter in Golden, Co.

213 DoubleU  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:52:23pm

re: #173 sick of it all

where do Judge Napolitano and Walter Williams fall into? racist or conspiracy freaks?

Maybe like you, they haven't figured it out yet.

214 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:53:25pm

re: #206 Sharmuta

You reaped what you have sawn.


re: #203 Killian Bundy

I give not a shit about image.

I'd rather be the barking dos than the complacent mainstreamer you are.

Being safe all the time.

I consider such behaviour opportunicy.

There are those who stick their necks out and those who calculate.

Capice, dude?

215 VetteMan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:53:27pm

re: #188 Charles

Here's a very interesting link from neo-Nazi hate site Vanguard News Network:

Ron Paul Lies About Lack Of Involvement With White Nationalists - Vanguard News Network Forum.

Ouch! That one is gonna sting!

I go round and round with Ron Paul nuts daily on other forums. They are always trying to cover up and dismiss his racism. This is absolutely stunning.

216 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:53:53pm

I've posted a new thread for the VNN claim. Including Render's find, proving that Ron Paul has indeed been to the restaurant mentioned in the neo-Nazi's post.

217 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:54:31pm

oops

dos is dog. Hehe.....

218 orson  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:55:31pm

re: #173 sick of it all

re: #156 DoubleU


It is great how such an fool, supported by racists, lefties, and conspiracy freaks gets such active threads.

where do Judge Napolitano and Walter Williams fall into? racist or conspiracy freaks?


Don't forget Tucker Carlson. Pretty much the only reason to watch MessNBC.

219 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:55:41pm

re: #188 Charles

Holy Cow!

220 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:56:37pm

re: #215 VetteMan

Moddegaai nie waaruku, merruge? Of oe zedde da op zijn vloamsch?

221 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:56:37pm

re: #214 bottehond

There are those who stick their necks out and those who calculate.

Capice, dude?

My, you're so brave.

/a regular keyboard warrior you are

222 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:57:07pm

re: #198 Meremortal

Are you also getting sick and tired of 'sick of it all' ?

223 bottehond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:58:29pm

re: #221 Killian Bundy

I am much morwe than that. Your guess, isn't it.

224 Former Belgian  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:59:18pm

re: #188 Charles


Devastating. Put it on the front page!

225 Suzette  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:01:17pm

re: #214 bottehond

I give not a shit about image.

I'd rather be the barking dos than the complacent mainstreamer you are.

Being safe all the time.

I consider such behaviour opportunicy.

There are those who stick their necks out and those who calculate.

Sorry I have to here...
But you are not safe behind your nic and the computer screen?
That is calculating and bravery?
No need to answer really, just rhetorical questions.

226 orson  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:03:16pm

Just so I don't get accused of ducking out, I'm going to Thai Spicey for some chow. Check with you guys later.


I leave, once again saying Ron Paul supportes are his biggest problem. I spend a lot of time at meetings telling them they can't be violating people's personal space, they can't be getting tazed at John Kerry speeches, and nobody wants to listen to troofers.

I'm supporting him, not his supporters.

227 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:03:27pm

re: #214 bottehond

re: #206 Sharmuta

You reaped what you have sawn.


re: #203 Killian Bundy

I give not a shit about image.

I'd rather be the barking dos than the complacent mainstreamer you are.

Being safe all the time.

I consider such behaviour opportunicy.

There are those who stick their necks out and those who calculate.

Capice, dude?

You suffer from delusions of grandeur.

228 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:03:57pm

bottehond- If things are so dire over in europe, I suggest you do something about it other than wag your finger at what the Americans are doing. Take care of your own house before you start telling us what's wrong with ours.

229 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:07:23pm

May I interrupt your arguing about Nazis and white supremacists?

I'd just like to remind you that we may soon owe more on our homes than we own -- for the first time ever since we started keeping track half a century ago.

Meanwhile, the military industrial complex donates millions to Hillary's campaign to make sure we continue spending billions of dollars buying their goods -- all so our troops can die trying to spend millions of dollars for every Iraqi we kill.

Do we really plan to put up with this nonsense until China stops loaning us money and we become interest slaves for the remainder of the century?

If you ask me, avoid that is more important than running a witch-hunt to see who has the most crackpot supporters.

230 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:13:03pm
231 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:14:56pm
232 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:39:04pm

re: #231 buzzsawmonkey

Are you one of those blue-eyed fools who bought a McMansion on a subprime mortgage?

Probably not. He's a Ron Paulian who's upset about the direction this discussion has taken, and he/she is trying his/her best to divert it into another direction.

233 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:42:44pm

I did not. But I worry about the more than seven million families who did and how that will impact our economy.

If you remember, the last time republicans ignored the concerns of fiscal conservatives during a recession, an alternative candidate took away enough votes that a democrat named Clinton ran the white house for the next 8 years.

234 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:45:01pm

re: #233 blueeyedfool

So- who are you supporting?

235 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:51:50pm
236 wanumba  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:36:34pm

re: #229 blueeyedfool

May I interrupt your arguing about Nazis and white supremacists?
I'd just like to remind you that we may soon owe more on our homes than we own -- for the first time ever since we started keeping track half a century ago.

Meanwhile, the military industrial complex donates millions to Hillary's campaign to make sure we continue spending billions of dollars buying their goods -- all so our troops can die trying to spend millions of dollars for every Iraqi we kill.

Do we really plan to put up with this nonsense until China stops loaning us money and we become interest slaves for the remainder of the century?

If you ask me, avoid that is more important than running a witch-hunt to see who has the most crackpot supporters.

1) Regarding the home mortgages, to quote Tonto: What do you mean by "we," white man?
Last reports were 1.5 million, where'd the 7 million number magically appear from? The majority of people are in stable, affordable mortagages - smart shoppers.

2) Uh, nice try using "military-industrial complex" against Hillary. That's Hard Lefty-Talk, NOT used by any genuine conservative, and the attempt to blur this well-documented Left-spawned concept by posing it in opposition to Hard Left Hillary doesn't work.

3) It's a mean old rotten Hard Left slur against our troops and the American People to pass on the lie that US troops are occupied in Iraq with nothing but a pointless and unexplained undefined tour of duty that consists of "killing Iraqis." The HELL with THAT! What are the American People? Stupid? Ignorant? Bloodthirsty? You telling us that our brave sons and daughters and wives and husbands, brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles are cold-hearted killers? What are you saying? You aren't ignorant, you're a liar, an enabler of our enemies. In this day and age, with global communications, one can pick up a phone and CALL anyone in Iraq to confirm this isn't true. Slimy, no-good, back-stabbing, terrorist-enabling liar.

4) Ron Paul's campaign is a fraud. "See who has the most crackpot supporters."
Well said!
The United States of America fought a World War against NAZI race supremacists. 10 million men and women in uniform. A lot of American blood soaked into the ground in Europe and the Orient against fascist enemies, for Japan was also run at that time by fascist warlords. It's well worth our time today investigating if these vicious enemies of our whole type of government may be trying to regroup for a resurgence. They do not support the American Dream nor the American way of life - it's counter to what they believe. Therefore, it is pathetic that an American congressman would shrug aside this history and lessons learned and American tradition to be associated in ANY manner with fascists. Total, abject failure to honor what is America.
So, what's the excuse? Money trumps all? Great flaw to have for a president. Puts money above the nation.

237 Sandi  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:38:07pm

Poor Ron Paul.... he gets all this money from racists, troofers and other extremists....and yet he does not remember them....last nite on Glenn Beck he acted like all his troofer supporters were crazy. Funny, they all gave him $6 million and they must not have been crazy then?

238 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:45:34pm

The current estimate is that around 1 million families will default on their mortgage next year. Far more than that hold mortgages with little or no equity, using gimmicky features such as teaser rates or interest only ARMs that are going to start resetting and bankrupting these people.

The seven million families figure comes from Cramer going ballistic back in August.

Search MarketWatch, Bloomberg, CNBC, or WSJ for information about the mortgage crisis. There is a consensus forming that this is the worst national housing market since the Great Depression.

It is not just a subprime problem. The estimate is that 1,000,000 people will default on their mortgages next year. The supply of homes for sale is enormous. That will result in falling home prices.

So we have a situation where people will have a $300,000 mortgage on a home that is now only worth $200,000. Meanwhile, their monthly payments start ballooning. You really think the effects of this won't ripple through the entire economy?

This will be the dominant issue of the election next November. Republicans better be prepared to address it.

239 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:59:17pm

re: #180 Charles

re: #178 Q-Burn

This guy froths at the mouth a lot, but the sourcing and footnotes are impeccable. More than you ever wanted to know about the Bush-Nazi connection.
That's rich. Another nutjob.

Webster Tarpley?!? OMG! Our Paulian friends have truly jumped the shark!


::cuckoo::

240 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:02:25pm

This thread has become as wacked (and creepy) as 9/11truth.org .

All we need now is for someone to cite our old buddy Dylan Avery.

...

241 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:08:17pm

re: #236 wanumba

Look, if you think that you are supporting the troops by demanding that they sit around in Iraq waiting for an insurgent to shoot, decapitate or blow them up, more power to you.

I would much rather they sit at home next to a fire and open Christmas presents with their family. If you think this enables our enemies, fine. You are wrong.

If you think that only the Hard Left should demand that we stop borrowing money from China to give billions of dollars to corporations who profit from death, fine. You are wrong.

Liberals do not have a monopoly on demanding that our country's economy not become reliant on destruction and death to survive.

The amount of oil or gold you can buy per share of the Dow has fallen 60-80% since the start of the Iraq War. That is how bad things have become. We cannot continue this war without our economy collapsing. It is that simple.

242 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:44:11pm

re: #239 Spiny Norman

re: #180 Charles

re: #178 Q-Burn
This guy froths at the mouth a lot, but the sourcing and footnotes are impeccable. More than you ever wanted to know about the Bush-Nazi connection.
That's rich. Another nutjob.
Webster Tarpley?!? OMG! Our Paulian friends have truly jumped the shark!


::cuckoo::

What part of "froths at the mouth" is unclear to you? And he's a terrible writer to boot. But there is a ton of documentation in there if you can wade through the crap.

And for the record, I like Huck.

243 wanumba  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:46:08pm

re: #241 blueeyedfool

re: #236 wanumba
Look, if you think that you are supporting the troops by demanding that they sit around in Iraq waiting for an insurgent to shoot, decapitate or blow them up, more power to you.
I would much rather they sit at home next to a fire and open Christmas presents with their family. If you think this enables our enemies, fine. You are wrong.
If you think that only the Hard Left should demand that we stop borrowing money from China to give billions of dollars to corporations who profit from death, fine. You are wrong.
Liberals do not have a monopoly on demanding that our country's economy not become reliant on destruction and death to survive.
The amount of oil or gold you can buy per share of the Dow has fallen 60-80% since the start of the Iraq War. That is how bad things have become. We cannot continue this war without our economy collapsing. It is that simple.


1) You honestly think our troops sit around pointlessly doing nothing in Iraq? What are you three years old? It is the American tradition of fighting. We GO TO the fight, we DON'T WAIT until the fight arrives at our shores. It's why we don't have artillery shells stuck in farmer Joe's field in Iowa, like they still dig up in fields of France. It's very simple, even in kindergarten terms: don't permit ANY enemy to arrive on our shores. See what they do when they do arrive? Pearl Harbor. September 11, 2001.
Your pathetically cartoonish view of international realities versus the enormous, copious, detailed history of why and how America must fight to preserve the integrity of our peaceful life at home, because we engage our enemies BEFORE they muster enough power to engage us on our soil. Interestingly, American military has always had the positive result of liberating the nations that became enslaved by their own overlording and brutal governments. You doubt? The Germans don't look too upset about being long rid of the NAZI regime, how about the Italians? The Japanese? The French ticked about being liberated from their Vichy bondage? Belgium, Poland? That Soviet Union didn't look too unified when it collapsed, and countries that had disappeared for the good part of a century reappeared, proving it was no happy, lovey-dovey "union", but a simple totalitarian EMPIRE. So, absolutely, it enables our enemies - to withdraw, let the bad guys beat up and kill nice people, then advance on us as we sit blithely unwrapping our presents. Our soldiers are willing to give up such fleeting comforts to ensure decades of peace for us, their children and all of our grandchildren. That's knowledge, wisdom, foresight and sacrifice for the good of all. Noble qualities. Ron Paul proposes that it's better that these soldiers would have to fight with their own families and friends kids in the line of fire. Thanks. Make it more difficult and more tragic. Go read the Jihadist literature as to what they would do to America if they could get their acts together. It's for real. Pretending otherwise is indeed enabling the enemy to advance closer to our homes.

2) Have been wondering why "Austrian economics" and "Ron Paul" are often in the same sentence. As if Austria had any semblance of a robust , growth economy instead of the static, moribund state-controlled market they have. Arnold, as governor of California presides over an economy that is bigger and more dynamic than his home country's. He's got more power as California governor than the president of Austria. Is everyone supposed to be impressed because it's "European" and thus somehow better than the US growth model? Bah humbug!

244 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:24:25pm

re: #242 Q-Burn

re: #239 Spiny Norman


re: #180 Charles
re: #178 Q-Burn
This guy froths at the mouth a lot, but the sourcing and footnotes are impeccable. More than you ever wanted to know about the Bush-Nazi connection.
That's rich. Another nutjob.
Webster Tarpley?!? OMG! Our Paulian friends have truly jumped the shark!
::cuckoo::
What part of "froths at the mouth" is unclear to you? And he's a terrible writer to boot. But there is a ton of documentation in there if you can wade through the crap.

No, it was very clear, thanks for the condescension. "A ton of documentation in there if you can wade through the crap" is a hallmark of the nutjob conspiracy theorist. There is "a ton of documentation" about Extraterrestrials at Area 51, too, but that doesn't mean it isn't hooey.

245 diminuendo  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:27:27pm

While I am not voting for him, I think that campaign contributions are an area where everyone is guilty. Show me a candidate that hasn't taken money from dirty sources.

246 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 11:33:26pm

re: #243 wanumba

let the bad guys beat up and kill nice people

How can we achieve decades of peace when we spend decades killing people? Peace requires that we stop the killing, not continue it.

If our goal is to spend enough millions, billions and trillions of dollars killing every violent person in the Middle East surviving off a few thousand dollars a year, we will be unsuccessful. We will go bankrupt. Morally and financially.

No enemies are threatening to put artillery shells in Iowa. Please provide evidence if you really believe anything to the contrary. No country represents any realistic threat to our survival. Those that may -- such as China -- are generally considered our friends. Why do you think they are? And who are they anyway?

Are you trying to say Canada is going to start attacking us? Do you think Iran is going to develop Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles and immediately launch them at us? We survived half a century with Russia pointing 8,000 nukes at us. Pakistan (who we aren't attacking) has had nukes for many years. We survived the USSR. We will survive Islamic terrorism.

France has artillery shells because they have all kinds of neighbors hundreds of miles away from them; they spent the majority of two millennia killing each other too. I am uninterested in imitating them.

Equating the threat represented by Iraqi insurgents to Germany, Japan or Russia during their most threatening days is absurd. Please give me the realistic scenario where Iraq is going to invade us if we leave. Are we really that frightened?

The world loved us after World War II in large part because we treated the people we captured and the lands we occupied with far and away the most respect and dignity of any country on the planet.

The world loves us when we live up to the ideals of hope, peace, equality, tolerance and prosperity to which we aspire.

You are right that we often liberate nations oppressed by tyranny. But we do not always. Where are we doing this today in the Middle East? We are giving billions of dollars in aid to despotic regimes in the Middle East who use it to oppress their people. How is this helping them?

When we fail to live up to our ideals and start to act like a draconian Banana Republic to our friends, we suffer.

We need to live up to our ideals.

Yet it is harder to convince the rest of the world we live up to them when we keep killing people and ceding the moral high ground to barbarians who -- however violent they may be -- represent little threat to someone opening presents under a tree in Iowa.

So again, I confess that I like the American tradition of peace and prosperity far more than killing.

Our military is not made up of killing machines. They are human beings just like you and me. And I'm willing to bet that those human beings would be far happier if, instead of rotting away in some bunk in the Middle East, they could spend next Christmas dinner with their families.

247 Render  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 1:48:33am

re: #246 blurredly

You wasted all that time typing that to post it here?

We're not buying what you're selling.

DO NOT
CALL LIST,
R

248 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 6:42:05am
249 wanumba  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 6:50:25am

re: #246 blueeyedfool

You really think your post passes as astute analysis? You dare say this mindless crap to someone who witnessed the planting of Saudi Wahhabist mosques across Africa, who's actually witnessed Baathist-driven ethnic cleansing and was part of an emergency humanitarian relief operation to save those people targetted by it? Did you know that that this very same ethnic cleansing was carried out by Muslims against Black African Muslims and the lion's share of the relief money, the people on the ground providing aid and comfort to the huddled masses of homeless, beaten and staving Muslims were AMERICANS - PUTTING THEIR BODIES AND THEIR CONVICTIONS OF FAIR PLAY AND COMPASSION BETWEEN THE AGGRESSORS AND THE VICTIMS? WE all wished we had the US military to protect us at that time - you think it's easy for an unarmed project officer to drive a carload of targetted people THROUGH the mobs that want to kill them - relying on MOXIE and a BLUFF and A LOT of PRAYERS to get those men to their homes where they could help their standed families? How about four or FIVE project officers who braved those gauntlets to help dozens of their coworkers?
YOU don't know SQUAT about what's really out there. Screw the Liberal Left Media and their grotesque propaganda that they try to pass off as reporting. Don't regurgitate cheap talk about "living our ideals." It proves you know NOTHING about what that really means.
Living your ideals means getting off your sofa and getting out into the harsh cold world and standing with people AGAINST those who would harm them. TALK! That's all you are doing! I spent TWO YEARS of my life working with STARVING children in AFRICA, you lazy, coddled bum. NO lattes for me! NO running water, no electricity, & going to work every single day to children who were skeletons at age 4 or so bloated from edema they sat & moaned pitifully all day long. Yah. Right. The American Way is to sit at home -we who have even some simple knowledge to share that would help families avoid these horrors for their children, but NO! Stay home and sit around the Christmas tree with our comforts & easy life. The HELL with that! We sat home one year waiting for our Christmas presents & got none because the shipment was late. SO, instead, we made 60 gift bags for orphaned kids in Lagos Nigeria. You think it's bad to be an orphan in USA? Try being an orphan in Lagos. Did we send it off them off in the mail? NO. We all drove across the run-down & ugly streets of Lagos and hand delivered the gifts, & picked up a friend along the way who cooked a meal for 60 kids. We all stayed there until all the kids had eaten their meal so that the staff wouldn't steal the food from them the moment we turned our backs.
What a cheap & shallow & worthless concept of Christmas to believe it's only a time to indulge oneself in presents. That's NOT the meaning of Christmas.
MOUTHING pithy sayings is WORTHLESS. The American Way is to get off the butt and DO.
The immense lines starting at 4 am in the morning & overflowed by 7 am of people from every nation in the world are forming every single day at the US EMBASSY. America has a VERY HIGH image amongst people in the world - not the pampered elitists who wine and dine & flatter each other at diplomatic functions, but the guys on the street - the ones who REALLY count.
What do you say to me who was in Pakistan in 1982 & encountered an old and anguished Afghan grandmother who couldn't even speak English, take me by the hand, a total stranger to her, pull me into her shabby hotel room to tell me about how her husband was killed, her sons, how she had to flee. Her surviving son, translating for me, he wanted to bring her to safety in America!
You council to turn our backs on people who reach out to us for help. Women who carried out their emaciated children to us as we stopped along a dirt track, please help! The American Way is not about walking away, saying, "I'm busy."

250 bottehond  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 11:03:38am

re: #109 Charles

Ron Paul's blatant racism:

Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, ""By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.
unquote

I take it you wouldn't advise counter-jihadi's to vote for Paul then, being an isolationist and a Israel-hater.

What politician would be best chpice for counter-jihadi's?

251 bottehond  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 11:06:37am

re: #227 Soft Right


It's called provocative humor, dude.

Maybe not to your taste and obviously above your humor- level.

252 bottehond  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 11:08:44am

re: #228 Sharmuta

Say what? Aren't you being a trifle nationalistic here? What would Oy have to say about that?

BTW: your election are pretty important to the rest of the world.
You mind other people being interested? How unhospitable.


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