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Vlaams Belang Joins with BNP, Other Eurofascists in New Anti-Islam Group

Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 1:16:48 pm PST

Here we go again. Now the Belgian Vlaams Belang party is openly allying with the British National Party, in a new group opportunistically named “Cities against Islamisation.”

And remember: the BNP’s white supremacist leader Nick Griffin, a friend and ally of David Duke, has explicitly detailed their plan to attach themselves to the anti-jihadists, in order to gain political legitimacy.

Nice company that Gates of Vienna, the Center for Vigilant Freedom, Brussels Journal, Fjordman, and Atlas Shrugged are running with. Will they distance themselves from the Vlaams Belang now, or are they OK with the British National Party too?

If I had to predict, I’d bet they’ll be OK with the BNP. It’s easier after the first step.

SEVERAL European far-right parties announced a new organisation aimed at fighting the “Islamisation” of Europe.

The group dubbed “Cities against Islamisation” was presented to the media in the northern Belgian city of Antwerp by Filip Dewinter, head of the far-right Belgian party Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest) along with Austrian FPOE leader Heinz-Christian Strace and Robert Spieler of the regionalist Alsace First group.

Parties from Britain (the British National Party), Denmark, Germany and Italy were also represented at the launch of the group which has a road-sign-style crossed-out mosque as its logo.

Thirty members of the new organisation then set off on a walk around areas of Antwerp with a high immigrant population.

(Hat tip: JammieWearingFool.)

UPDATE at 1/17/08 2:17:14 pm:

Photos from the press conference announcing the new group.

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1 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:19:13pm

Birds of a feather..... but these birds remind me of the nasty little street rats- I mean pigeons.

2 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:19:35pm

30. Count them. 30. Bet everyone's scared.

3 jemima  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:19:51pm

Vlaams Belang--the European gateway drug

4 Former SSG  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:20:26pm

This is proof positive of "beware the company you keep." Good judgment on the part of the "big Kahuna" here.

5 bulwrk  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:20:58pm

I see this turning out badly for Europe.

6 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:21:41pm

This is absolute poison to anti-jihadism as a whole. "Oh, look, they're just a bunch of racists."

7 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:22:00pm

But they're pro-Israel! ! !

/

8 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:22:09pm
9 guftafs  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:22:23pm

GoV, BJ, et al have to pretend everything's OK. Or pretend nothing just happened. Don't know which would be funnier: them backtracking or them keep up the charade.

10 FreakyBoy  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:23:05pm

Yeah, but it's only a really small percentage of anti-islamic Euro-fascists that give the others a bad name.

/sarc

11 Tumulus11  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:23:10pm
'The group dubbed 'Cities against Islamisation' was presented to the media in the northern Belgian city of Antwerp by Filip Dewinter, head of the far-right Belgian party Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest) along with Austrian FPOE leader Heinz-Christian Strace and Robert Spieler of the regionalist Alsace First group.'


. 'Nazis against Islamisation' would be more accurate.

12 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:23:21pm

Thanks for the HT, Charles.

13 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:24:46pm

I wonder if this is the sign and German party of which they speak.

14 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:25:15pm
the launch of the group which has a road-sign-style crossed-out mosque as its logo


That symbol is going to be a problem. They've been using it for a while. If someone digs up a pitcure of Robert Spencer or Ayaan Hirsi Ali speaking with that symbol in the background their careers are finished. It's like being photographed with a swastika.

15 LSD  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:25:18pm

Somethings Rotten ...

16 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:25:58pm
Nice company that Gates of Vienna, the Center for Vigilant Freedom, Brussels Journal, Fjordman, and Atlas Shrugged are running with. Will they distance themselves from the Vlaams Belang now, or are they OK with the British National Party too?

Hmmm... IIRC, I remember some of these folks acknowledging that BNP was no good. But that was in the context of "it's not like the VB is the BNP." It will be interesting to see what they have to say for themselves now.

I don't really expect much, though.

17 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:26:10pm

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

Dingalink!
/WZ

18 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:26:49pm
re: #11 Tumulus11

'Nazis against Islamisation' would be more accurate.

LOL!

19 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:26:56pm

How long until my HT gets dinged down?

/

20 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:28:23pm

I wonder what B'at Yeor would have to say about this development.

I believe she attended a certain meeting with VB last year, didn't she?

In times past, she has spoken extensively about the threat of Islam to normal, civilized societies.

Anyone have a way to contact her and get a comment?

/just asking

~Norsk Troll

21 Dianna  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:28:47pm

That didn't take long, did it? It was what, three months ago that this all started, and VB couldn't even wait for the controversy to die down before aligning themselves, publicly, with the BNP.

This should be interesting to watch.

22 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:28:55pm
23 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:29:04pm

re: #13 Sharmuta

Yup, that's it. VB has been using that symbol for a while now.

24 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:30:05pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

That article even mentions VB, and that party is taking money from a Holocaust denier.

25 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:30:13pm

re: #19 JammieWearingFool

You've got one already.

26 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:31:35pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

re: #19 JammieWearingFool

You've got one already.

What the heck is an everlasting gobstopper? A VB supporter?

27 Dianna  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:32:32pm

Please excuse me. This looks like an interesting topic, but I'm too damn sick to sit up any longer.

Take care.

28 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:32:54pm
along with Austrian FPOE

Hmm... Is this the same as the FPÖ?

29 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:33:36pm
30 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:33:38pm

re: #27 Dianna

Please excuse me. This looks like an interesting topic, but I'm too damn sick to sit up any longer.

Take care.

heck. thought you were feeling better.

31 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:33:56pm

re: #26 JammieWearingFool

I don't know.

32 gman  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:34:49pm
If I had to predict, I’d bet they’ll be OK with the BNP. It’s easier after the first step.

I bet they will side with them too, because it's too (gulp) difficult for them to swallow their pride and admit they were wrong.

33 marwan's daughter  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:35:15pm

So when the inevitable war on the European continent erupts, it will be fascist vs. fascist. Where does that leave moderates?

34 obscured by clouds  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:35:24pm

If these people have their way Europe would become "Balkanized" and it would only make matters much worse. I haven't really kept up with the whole Vlaams Belang party/BNP drama but I am rather surprised that Atlas Shrugged is (apparently) in cahoots with them.

I would imagine that the average life expectancy of anyone sporting the new logo (with the mosque being crossed out) would be about the same as a one-legged tight rope walker in all too many areas of Europe. Hell, I was wearing my arabic embroidered "infidel" t-shirt and was accosted in freakin' Harrodsburg, Kentucky by an Arab. True story.

35 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:35:44pm

re: #28 konservo

along with Austrian FPOE

Hmm... Is this the same as the FPO?

Yes:

along with Austrian FPOE leader Heinz-Christian Strace

36 Globular Cluster  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:35:47pm

An excellent documentary on the BNP, called "Young, Nazi and Proud", produced in the UK, can be downloaded here:

[Link: www.mininova.org...]

Worth watching.

37 Dianna  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:35:50pm

re: #30 nyc redneck

So did I. I'm not.

I'm home. I slept until 12, got up and walked the dogs, read some LGF, and now I'm falling over.

Presently, I'm trying to get the energy to walk up the stairs to bed.

38 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:36:12pm
39 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:36:46pm

Europe is in big trouble. On the one hand you have the various neo-fascist groups mentioned above, and on the other hand you have the utterly naive Alliance of Civilizations which is trying to find a compromise between Islam and the West.

Either way the future looks pretty bleak for freedom in Europe.

40 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:37:00pm
41 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:37:03pm
42 TimK  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:37:44pm

I appreciate your stand Charles, but since the Liberal elites are/have been ignoring the problem these Facists are the only game in town. There is a crying need for a more reasonable front group to stand up against Islamism.

43 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:37:50pm

I happened to be in a coffee house the other day. I'm looking up from my cup of mud and see an elderly man across the room. He looks exactly like Adolph Hitler!

I walked over to him and said: "Excuse me, sir, but I couldn't help your resemblance to Adolph Hitler...all the way down to your mustache."

"I am Hitler", he replied.

I was astonished.

"What are you doing here in my country?", I asked.

"I'm here to kill 10 million Jews and 15 circus clowns", he replied coolly.

"15 circus clowns? Why do you want to kill 15 circus clowns?", I asked in amazement.

"See? There you go!", he said, condescendingly "Nobody cares about the Jews!"

~ENT

44 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:37:58pm

re: #9 guftafs

GoV, BJ, et al have to pretend everything's OK. Or pretend nothing just happened. Don't know which would be funnier: them backtracking or them keep up the charade.

I think it would be good if they admitted they were wrong, and an apology to Charles and LGF would be nice too, but acknowledging reality seems like the first step.

45 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:39:40pm
46 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:40:26pm
47 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:41:05pm

re: #35 Sharmuta

Thanks.

I figured, one of DeWinter's heroes was Jörg Haider

48 coquimbojoe  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:41:06pm

Good luck with that. Just don't try to attach yourself to other movements trying to keep Islam from ruling all. Also, understand your racism makes you easily ignorable.

49 Pope Urban  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:41:22pm

Arn't they the military wing of the same group that gives candy from the charity wing of the group thats forming the political wing of the anti-jihadi movement?

/just asking

gwG

50 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:42:28pm
51 Iron Fist  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:42:48pm

re: #33 marwan's daughter,

That is kind of the way WWI was. It was basically Imperialists vs. Imperialists ove third world spoils. Lovely.

52 Globular Cluster  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:43:01pm

Charles,

The documentary "Young, Nazi, and Proud" can be found already streaming at google video:

53 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:43:12pm

re: #47 konservo

It's like a racist fraternity- they're all in with each other.

54 Christoph  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:43:37pm

Atlas Shrugs has this on their website now:

"Jerusalem is Jewish. It is ours. End of story. Israel stand up!"

...

"DON'T BELIEVE YOUR LYING EYES
BELIEVE OUR MUSLIM LIES"

Just sayin'.

55 guftafs  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:44:05pm

re: #44 konservo

re: #45 Rodan

Them acknowledging facts is a flying-pigs moment. I will be very surprised if they do.

56 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:44:09pm
57 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:45:29pm

Good one. How recent is that?

58 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:46:36pm

re: #52 Globular Cluster

Please add that to the spinoffs.

59 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:47:51pm

What ever became of Ed the weatherman?

I noticed he disappeared shortly after this Vlaams Belang imbroglio started.

60 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:48:17pm

I can't find any source to this article, and i can't find anything about this group "cities against islamisation" ...


48h?

61 Jonas Parker  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:48:51pm

Remember the old adage, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"...

62 jcm  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:49:34pm

re: #59 Ringo the Gringo

What ever became of Ed the weatherman?

I noticed he disappeared shortly after this Vlaams Belang imbroglio started.

He was stabbing Charles in the back.

63 Alouette  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:49:43pm

Oh goody, a fight to the death between Euro-fascists and Islamo-fascists.

I hope they both win!

64 Athos  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:50:00pm

re: #54 Christoph

Pamela hates so much that she really doesn't care with whom she will ally with against the islamofascists. So, she allies with Eurofascists.

65 gman  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:50:32pm

Does anyone have the names of the other parties in this group?

I'm wondering if Dansk Folkeparti has joined up as well?

66 Athos  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:50:38pm

re: #61 Jonas Parker

Remember the old adage, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"...

Sorry - doesn't fly when dealing with these groups.

67 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:50:55pm

Charles,

I don't think Cities against islamisation is a "group" it seems to have been a protest march in Antwerp...

68 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:50:59pm

Ringo the Gringo,

What ever became of Ed the weatherman?

I noticed he disappeared shortly after this Vlaams Belang imbroglio started.



Ed was banned shortly before Thanksgiving.

69 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:51:27pm

re: #50 Rodan

re: #47 konservo

Haider was buddies wuith Hussein.
He also admires Iran.

Yeah, he's just like the rest of the opportunistic Jew-haters.

70 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:51:40pm

re: #56 Rodan

Well- the euro-nazis are trying to piggy-back onto the counter-jihad.

71 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:52:23pm

re: #63 Alouette

Oh goody, a fight to the death between Euro-fascists and Islamo-fascists.

I hope they both win!

LOL! I hope they both lose!

72 chinesearithmetic  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:53:08pm

A supergroup, like Blind Faith.

73 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:53:20pm

re: #62 jcm

Well, living in southern California, Charles has no need for a weatherman anyhow...especially a back-stabbing weatherman.

74 Globular Cluster  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:53:43pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

Done

75 Athos  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:53:45pm

re: #70 Sharmuta

re: #56 Rodan

Well- the euro-nazis are trying to piggy-back onto the counter-jihad.

They seek respectability via association - we obtain respectability by our disassociation from those groups.

76 eastvillageinfidel  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:54:08pm

This is a very interesting development. I, for one, can't wait to see how all those gutless, principle-free assholes that trashed us spin it.

77 Jonas Parker  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:54:16pm

re: #71 konservo

re: #63 Alouette

Oh goody, a fight to the death between Euro-fascists and Islamo-fascists.

I hope they both win!

LOL! I hope they both lose!

As long as they just kill each other, who gives a rat's fanny?

78 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:54:18pm
79 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:54:54pm

re: #67 so.cal.swede

SEVERAL European far-right parties announced a new organisation aimed at fighting the "Islamisation" of Europe.


I think it's pretty clear that they are forming a new organisation. It's an alliance, not just a casual meeting.

80 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:55:02pm

There once were two cats from Kilkenny
Each thought there was one cat too many
So they fought and they fit
And they scratched and they bit
'Till instead of two cats
There wern't any.

81 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:55:05pm

What?!?

You're all afraid to talk about B'at Yeor?

Wonder why....


*cough, cough*

~ENT

82 zarxos  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:55:26pm

Stanford has joined the University of Chicago in suggesting that suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam: [Link: news-service.stanford.edu...]

And this "senior fellow" cites our friend Mr. Pape in her reading list.

83 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:55:30pm

re: #65 gman

Does anyone have the names of the other parties in this group?

I'm wondering if Dansk Folkeparti has joined up as well?

I'd put money on Dansk Folkeparti being involved. This party recently used an inflammatory ad in their election campaign- this seems right up their alley.

84 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:55:30pm
85 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:57:32pm

re: #42 TimK

I appreciate your stand Charles, but since the Liberal elites are/have been ignoring the problem these Facists are the only game in town. There is a crying need for a more reasonable front group to stand up against Islamism.

who will it be and when will it happen?
yesterday would be good.

86 Athos  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:57:55pm

re: #84 Rodan

David Duke, Pat Buchanan, Don Black, etc are quite welcome and comfortable with VB, BNP, etc. The Eurofascists know that when the islamofascists obtain their goals, they are the first be given the choice to convert or die. The American fascists aren't under that same pressure yet - so they support fascism in general.

87 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:58:01pm

Here's a pic of Dewinter at the announcement. Anyone recognize the other creeps in that picture?

Right-wing groups launch anti-Islamisation campaign

Belgium's far-right Vlaams Belang party teamed up with radical groups from Austria and Germany on Thursday to launch a Charter to 'fight the Islamisation of West-European cities'.

anti-Islamasation "We are not opposed to freedom of religion but we don't want Muslims to impose their way of life and traditions over here because much of it is not compatible with our way of life," Vlaams Belang's Filip Dewinter told Radio Netherlands Worldwide. "We can't accept headscarves in our schools, forced marriages and the ritual slaughter of animals."

88 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:58:40pm

I can't find ANYTHING that echoes what this australian paper is claiming...


What's going on here?

89 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:58:43pm

re: #81 EtNorskTroll

WTF are you talking about?

90 snowcrash  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:58:47pm

Am watching the video, its very good. What a thin veneer of civility.Neo-Nazi thug.

91 Athos  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:58:48pm

re: #42 TimK

I appreciate your stand Charles, but since the Liberal elites are/have been ignoring the problem these Facists are the only game in town. There is a crying need for a more reasonable front group to stand up against Islamism.

Time for the silent majority to speak out.

92 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:59:21pm

re: #88 so.cal.swede

See #187.

93 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:59:24pm

Ringo the Gringo,

Well, living in southern California, Charles has no need for a weatherman anyhow...especially a back-stabbing weatherman.

After he was banned here he started posting his weather crap at GoV and they threatened to ban him. I suspect he's still at GCP (maybe not though, Ed tends to wear out his welcome fast). Last time I visited that sewer, Ed was making a lot of comments about LGF's regulars being Charles Johnson's "ball washers".

Classy to the end.

94 rappmandu  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:59:41pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Speaking of De Winter, is it snow at your place, too?

/

95 mink  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 1:59:57pm

It seem like the logical inevitable outgrowth of the policies the "liberal elites" of Europe have been pushing. It's not a good thing, but a predictable thing.

A rising tide of unassimilated immigrants with an underlying supremacist ideology, and the takeover and eventual erasure of the European culture is virtually assured. The Europeans are constantly being told this is a good thing - there is bound to be a response in kind. Unfortunate, but Europe's long stretch of relative peace will end dramatically within the next fifty years. Of course in the French suburbs they've got a head start.

96 Maximu§  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:00:04pm

I have to admit, I like the fact that the Europeans are waking up to the danger Islam poses to their culture, but once you start walking down this Fascist road, its a slippery slope.

Pretty soon there's a book-burning bonfire in front of the public library and goose-stepping soldiers not far behind.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

97 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:00:22pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Here's a pic of Dewinter at the announcement. Anyone recognize the other creeps in that picture?

No... but where does it say anythingn about VB forming up with BNP? This was from a protest in Antwerp, where they wanted to stop mosques from being built. what's the BNP deal here?

98 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:00:34pm

re: #82 zarxos

Stanford has joined the University of Chicago in suggesting that suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam: [Link: news-service.stanford.edu...]

And this "senior fellow" cites our friend Mr. Pape in her reading list.

too many intellectuals have their heads up their asses today.

99 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:00:46pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

re: #88 so.cal.swede

See #187.

See #97

100 Orde  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:00:48pm

By way of analogy, I'd like to offer an observation as one more illustration of why Charles' noncompromising approach is right, and that of GoV, Atlas, and others is wrong:

As a theologically conservative Christian, I and those in my camp are now suffering the damage done by Christian compromisers during the '80s w/the Moral Majority and that's continued with the James Dobsons, and other moral crusaders up until now. What happened is this--there was and is a split within the theologically conservative camp about the proper way to manifest our biblical values--more privately or politically (even to the extent of pursuing legislating values) by aggressive lobbying and son on. Well a few, but a very vocal few, decided to join with all sorts of other "values voters" whose theological views are not even close to orthodox, some not even Christian at all, and now as a result, when one thinks of the "Religious Right" one thinks of theocratic numbskulls, loonies, hatemongerers, etc--and this is the taint that has stuck with us theologically conservative Christians because of our compromise with wackos--including white supremacists (!)--all because of a common cause that we elevated above all else.

Charles is right not to risk losing credibility by associating with racists, the others not only are sacrificing principles, but are being myopic, it's not even a pragmatic strategy.

101 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:02:18pm

re: #94 rappmandu

Dewinter is here! No snow but my little backyard pond is starting to freeze over.

102 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:02:19pm

re: #88 so.cal.swede

What about Killgore's link?

103 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:02:22pm

Attention all European Jews: watch out! This will not go well for you.

104 gman  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:02:35pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Here's a pic of Dewinter at the announcement. Anyone recognize the other creeps in that picture?

Right-wing groups launch anti-Islamisation campaign

Belgium's far-right Vlaams Belang party teamed up with radical groups from Austria and Germany on Thursday to launch a Charter to 'fight the Islamisation of West-European cities'.

anti-Islamasation "We are not opposed to freedom of religion but we don't want Muslims to impose their way of life and traditions over here because much of it is not compatible with our way of life," Vlaams Belang's Filip Dewinter told Radio Netherlands Worldwide. "We can't accept headscarves in our schools, forced marriages and the ritual slaughter of animals."

Looks like Pia Kjaersgaard on the far right. If so, that confirms it Sharm. Dansk Folkeparti.

105 jayzee  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:02:42pm

Aint it odd though that our racists, Paul, skinheads, Neo Nazis, Klan, etc hate the Joos most of all, while the European ones hate the Arabs?

106 derkrieger  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:03:09pm

Is there anyone else in Europe right now with the stones to form a group or organization willing to fight against Islamification? I don't support anyone's racist positions but "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Are you waiting for some of the more moderate, mainstream parties to find the courage (chuckle) to stand up against the crushing political correctness enforced, advanced, and defended by all European mainstream political parties, MSM, and institutions?

If you are opposed to these right wing groups and the rest of the political class are cowards what then is the solution? A white knight riding in on a unicorn to save Europe from Islamic conquest? What is the alternative? You people bitch and moan about VB, BNP, Sd, et al but offer NO alternatives.

Europeans will and are moving to these parties precisely because they are the only ones who are advocating for Europe and not against it. If enough citizens join these parties do you not think their character will inevitably be changed?

108 Charles  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:03:36pm

re: #97 so.cal.swede

It's right in the article:

The group dubbed “Cities against Islamisation” was presented to the media in the northern Belgian city of Antwerp by Filip Dewinter, head of the far-right Belgian party Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest) along with Austrian FPOE leader Heinz-Christian Strace and Robert Spieler of the regionalist Alsace First group.

Parties from Britain (the British National Party), Denmark, Germany and Italy were also represented at the launch of the group which has a road-sign-style crossed-out mosque as its logo.

I don't know much more clear it could be.

109 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:03:41pm

re: #102 konservo

re: #88 so.cal.swede

What about Killgore's link?

Again, no mention of BNP. just the same ol' trash from Belgium, and some mention about austria.


It seems it was more of a "protest against mosques" but the australian newspaper reported it as a "new anti-islam group" using the mosque as a logo.


... odd

110 Maximu§  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:03:58pm

re: #103 Golem Akbar

Attention all European Jews: watch out! This will not go well for you.

Are there any European Jews left in Europe?

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

111 insanity police  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:04:28pm

re: #107 insanity police

Scroll down to see it. You might remember that the student groups leader bashed LGF and its readers on their blog.

112 Carioca Canuck  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:04:39pm

Jayzee......

No kidding........read the crap at Stormfront and you'll see people saying that they should form alliances with Muslims to thwart Jewish people.

Nuts.....all of them.

113 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:04:55pm

re: #59 Ringo the Gringo

What ever became of Ed the weatherman?

I noticed he disappeared shortly after this Vlaams Belang imbroglio started.

He got banned for stabbing Charles in the back, and then he went and did it some more at GoV and AtS.

114 JimmyTheClaw  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:05:17pm

Bubba died in a fire and his body was burned pretty badly. The morgue needed someone to identify the body, so they sent for his two best friends, Cooter and Gomer. The three men had always done everything together.

Cooter arrived first, and when the mortician pulled back the sheet, Cooter said, "Yup, his face is burned up pretty bad. You better roll him over."

The mortician rolled him over and Cooter said, "Nope, ain't Bubba."

The mortician thought this was rather strange. So he brought Gomer in to confirm the identity of the body.

Gomer looked at the body and said, "Yup, he's pretty well burnt up. Roll him over."

The mortician rolled him over and Gomer said, "No, it ain't Bubba."

The mortician asked, "How can you tell?"

Gomer said, "Well, Bubba had two assholes."

"What? He had two assholes?" asked the mortician.

"Yup, we never seen 'em, but everybody used to say,

'There's Bubba with them two assholes.ʼ

115 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:06:30pm

re: #100 Orde

As a theologically conservative Christian

Me too, but what has James Dobson said or done that ticked you off?

/Really asking, I haven't heard.

116 Cousin Dave  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:07:03pm

This whole situation just gets worse and worse. Here's something that's scaring me. I am now convinced that without Anglosphere intervention, continental Europe will fall to the Islamists. The Western European countries have already made it clear that they intend to surrender as soon as the first shot is fired; eastern European countries may try to take a stand, but pinched between the Islamists and Russia, they won't have a chance without outside help.

As in the case in WWII, in order to fight in Europe (either metaphorically or physically), it will be necessary for the New Allies to have agents in Europe. Who will those agents be? What if the Eurofacists are the only choice? Do we take them as allies of convenience, or do we let Europe fall? If it were just France and Spain and their ilk, I wouldn't care so much, but if the Islamists cut a deal with Russia to share control of Poland, the Baltic states, the Scandinavian states, Germany, and Turkey, that could be bad news for the free world.

If the Eurofacists do turn out to be the only potential in-country ally? Not only is this bad on general principles. But if people like Filip Dewinter are associating with the likes of David Duke... well, have you seen who Duke has been hanging out with lately? He's busy playing kissy-face with Syria and Iran! The American skinheads have already made common cause with the Islamists. What if their involvement makes the Eurofacists an unreliable ally? Worse yet, what if the current Eurofacist alignment is all a charade, meant to permanantly discredit anti-jihadism in Europe? If that happens, I don't think Europe can be saved even with Anglosphere involvement.

To me, the only remaining hope is that somehow, an anti-facist, anti-jihadist movement must be launched in Europe. However, I am very pessimistic that such a movement can gain enough public support in Europe soon enough to do any good.

117 cagney  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:07:30pm

I've been here for a while and I'm still scratching my head trying to make sense of things.

One thing that seems to be emerging that there is an issue of identity with folk in Europe and in my home country of the UK. It is a question of how we deal with our imperialist past and the ethnic minorities in our country that emigrated here from former colonies.

The biggest destabilising thing in our transition from a white-only to multi-ethnic society is muslim extremism and integrating muslims into our society. The only solution being offered is multi-culturalism, any alternatives get muzzled by our politically correct and increasingly left-wing biased MSM.

Without the debate of any real alternatives, the far-right has jumped on the anti-jiahdi bandwagon offering white nationalism as a way of dealing with it. With the increasing stranglehold of left-wing bias and political alternatives in the media, there is a chance that more and more people will turn to this white nationalism as the only way of dealing with the issue.

Melaine Phlilips in her article, Liberalism v Islamism, suggested an alternative, pluralism in which:

allows for many different groupings but, unlike multiculturalism, does not try to impose one uniform status on all of them. It allows a thousand flowers to bloom, with minorities forming communities of faith, ethnicity or culture within a society — but under the overarching umbrella of a national identity to whose core values everyone signs up. It is only by having that overarching set of common values — monogamy, freedom of conscience, equal rights for women, freedom of expression —that a society coheres as a common project. And a liberal society is no exception. If a liberal society doesn’t accept a hierarchy of values, that there are core principles which are non-negotiable and to which everyone must sign up, then by definition it can no longer remain a liberal society but must fragment into a kind of Balkanised tribalism in which the strongest groups win through intimidation or force.

The ideal solution would be to build a common identity between the majority white and ethnic races. This can be done through nationalism but could it be done through shared cultural identity?

This sounds like pie in the sky niavety stuff and at the moment it is but if it could be forged then it could stop the balkanisation of our country.

The thing I have noticed looking at our cultural mediums, TV, music, films is that we all love American culture. We love Hollywood, American shows are all over our TV schedules and American RnB and Rap dominate the music scene.

The music scene and the subculture is interesting as it is not specific to race as British white, asian and black kids are into it. It is a basis for a common identity that I speak of.

If the ties of the Anglosphere could be strengthened especially with America which is founded on multi-ethnicity it may be a way forward.

Unfortunately I can't see this happening as our political elite, no matter if it is to the left, centre or right sees our future in Europe.

118 insanity police  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:07:53pm

A conservative blogger who is often on T.V. and whose articles have been linked on this site is having a community briefing about terrorism in the local community. I was lucky enough to get an invite. For security concerns I can't reveal who is doing the presentation, or where, but I'll report on it tomorrow.

119 Jonas Parker  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:07:56pm

re: #112 Carioca Canuck

Jayzee......

No kidding........read the crap at Stormfront and you'll see people saying that they should form alliances with Muslims to thwart Jewish people.

Nuts.....all of them.

Dhimmi forming alliances with Muslims... yeah! Right!

120 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:08:27pm

re: #99 so.cal.swede

I see no reason to doubt that BNP was there as reported. It's not like this is a huge story with lots of coverage.

121 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:08:29pm

Anti-Islam, white supremacism, fascism--all together. I'm not surprised. I'm glad some people see that this hysteria against Muslims in Europe is just as bad as the anti-Semitism that led to the slaughter of Jews and others during the Holocaust.

Can Europe be trusted not to go down the same path again?

122 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:08:39pm

From Killgore's link:

Dutch right-wing maverick politician Geert Wilders, who is currently producing a film about the danger of the Koran, also stayed away.

I'm glad he's staying away from dewinter. He would only be tainted by it if he was working with them.

123 Orde  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:10:12pm

OT: Bambino's got an excellent Spinoff Link (Terrorism) by the dynamic duo of R.Ehrenfeld and A.Lappen: Terror's financiers (zeros right in on the neglect of the Saudi role)

124 Jonas Parker  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:10:42pm

Islamofacists won't assimilate into your culture, they demand that you assimilate into theirs...

125 Cousin Dave  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:11:26pm

Looking back through the thread, I see that #84 Rodan already said what I said, more concisely.

126 insanity police  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:11:29pm

Have a good night everyone. Maybe I'll check back in later.

127 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:11:31pm

re: #100 Orde

Right you are.

Charity counts way above politics.

128 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:12:49pm

re: #126 insanity police

Have a good night everyone. Maybe I'll check back in later.

See ya! Keep us updated!

129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:12:58pm
130 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:13:13pm

re: #110 Maximu§

re: #103 Golem Akbar


Attention all European Jews: watch out! This will not go well for you.

Are there any European Jews left in Europe?

Maximu§
3/11 ACR


Way too many. 1/2 million in France, and about 2 - 3 million in Russia and Ukraine. Maybe another 1/4 million in the rest of Europe and England.

131 Charles  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:13:15pm

re: #109 so.cal.swede

re: #102 konservo

re: #88 so.cal.swede

What about Killgore's link?

Again, no mention of BNP. just the same ol' trash from Belgium, and some mention about austria.


It seems it was more of a "protest against mosques" but the australian newspaper reported it as a "new anti-islam group" using the mosque as a logo.


... odd

There's nothing odd, it's exactly as the newspaper reported it. Here's a photo from the press conference announcing the group:

[Link: legacyeditorial.gettyimages.com...]

132 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:13:19pm

re: #105 jayzee

don't let em' fool ya'.The jews are on their list too.The arabs are a larger threat to them right now.

133 Orde  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:13:35pm

re: #82 zarxos

Stanford has joined the University of Chicago in suggesting that suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam: [Link: news-service.stanford.edu...]
And this "senior fellow" cites our friend Mr. Pape in her reading list.


Nah, not Condi's Stanford!
/(trace the money)

134 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:13:59pm

Islamism is a threat against western civilization. Western civilization needs to win. But some can't separate race from culture, and think the only way to have western civilization is to have all white people. The cure is worse than the disease.

135 bulwrk  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:14:16pm

I see justiceforall is back

136 Globular Cluster  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:14:47pm

re: #90 snowcrash

Am watching the video, its very good. What a thin veneer of civility.Neo-Nazi thug.

Bingo. Their young, charismatic, charming, smart... and White Supremacists.

137 Charles  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:15:12pm

More pictures:

[Link: legacyeditorial.gettyimages.com...]

138 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:16:32pm
139 nolocon  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:16:41pm

re: #100 Orde

By way of analogy, I'd like to offer an observation as one more illustration of why Charles' noncompromising approach is right, and that of GoV, Atlas, and others is wrong:

As a theologically conservative Christian, I and those in my camp are now suffering the damage done by Christian compromisers during the '80s w/the Moral Majority and that's continued with the James Dobsons, and other moral crusaders up until now. What happened is this--there was and is a split within the theologically conservative camp about the proper way to manifest our biblical values--more privately or politically (even to the extent of pursuing legislating values) by aggressive lobbying and son on. Well a few, but a very vocal few, decided to join with all sorts of other "values voters" whose theological views are not even close to orthodox, some not even Christian at all, and now as a result, when one thinks of the "Religious Right" one thinks of theocratic numbskulls, loonies, hatemongerers, etc--and this is the taint that has stuck with us theologically conservative Christians because of our compromise with wackos--including white supremacists (!)--all because of a common cause that we elevated above all else.

Charles is right not to risk losing credibility by associating with racists, the others not only are sacrificing principles, but are being myopic, it's not even a pragmatic strategy.


The attacks on the "Religious Right" derives from outright bigotry and hatred of anyone expressing a moral opinion at odds with Leftist ideology.
The "taint" you speak of is largely contrived. That is, virtually EVERY "cause" is an amalgam of groups with differing motives and philosophy.

What matters is the ability to so thoroughly demogoue and propagandize a "cause" that it becomes more associated with the fringe members than with the mainstream.

Same thing here. An enemy (here, the Left and MSM) searches for any hook to smear anti-IslamoFascists. If it wasn't the neo-fascist angle, it'd be some other.

140 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:16:50pm

re: #99 so.cal.swede
Here's another account that notes the BNP presence.....
L'extrême droite européenne unie dans la haine des étrangers

a common enemy can be a powerful cement for couples flying from the wing. In this case, Islamophobia which acts as Viagra.
Gathered Thursday (in Antwerp, of course), several far-right parties have launched a movement that must combat "creeping Islamization of Western Europe."
. The delicate, the former Commissioner of Police Bert Antwerp Debie said that "we must stop to open mosques in cities like Antwerp." “ "We must stop the influx of immigrants and Muslims must stores Islamists (sic) respect Belgian legislation hygiene or social laws, or they close," was strangled on the municipal councillor Vlaams Belang.
Amid the international press, also stood officials FPOe Austrian, German and the Republikaner BNP British. There were still a few racist Danish, Italian and french. However, no trace of Romanians... Intolerance has its limits ...
141 Maximu§  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:17:17pm

Charles, in 10 years these radical parties mentioned in this thread will be in power, because the present governments have turned their backs on their own citizens.

I'm no fan of these people, but we're looking at the future of Europe.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

142 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:17:45pm

re: #84 Rodan

You'd be surprised who aligns with who. I mean, Hitler aligned with a lot of people who were not white because of political convenience. The U.S. has also aligned with Islamists because of a common cause against the Soviets. And you see people like Chavez buddy-up with Iran over a shared interest against the U.S.

I think it all being a front is pretty far-fetched.

143 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:17:58pm

I'm glad my ancestors got out of Europe.

144 infidel4ever  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:18:50pm

Credit where credit is due, though: So far, Vlaams Belang is the only political party that has made a statement in support of Geert Wilders, re the speech of that horrible Syrian mufti in the EUSSR Parliament.

Vlaams Belang stands up for Wilders 17/01/2008 00:00Flemish independence and anti-immigration party Vlaams Belang stood up for Dutch politician Geert Wilders on Thursday.


17 January 2008

BRUSSELS – Flemish independence and anti-immigration party Vlaams Belang stood up for Dutch politician Geert Wilders on Thursday, condemning the "threat" addressed to the Netherlands by the grand mufti of Syria last Tuesday.

The grand mufti told news agency ANP after his speech in the plenary assembly of the European Parliament on Tuesday that if Wilders' film project on the Koran leads to violence and bloodshed, then Geert Wilders himself is responsible for those consequences.

The grand mufti called on the Dutch public to stop Wilders before he airs his film.

The Vlaams Belang condemned these "threats addressed to Europeans who exercise their freedom of expression." The grand mufti should rescind his comments, the party says.

If he does not, he should never be allowed in the European Parliament again, says the Vlaams Belang.

[Link: www.expatica.com...]

The rest of the politicians here just nodded their heads and cowered...

I don't know if Wilders has commented, he stays as far away as possible from VB.

145 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:19:39pm

re: #142 justiceforall

I do of course mean, in my U.S. example, during the Cold War, which I am aware is long over.

146 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:20:43pm

"Alsace First"! LOL. Like VB being Flemish nationalists...

I'll be over in the corner, handing out flyers for the "Tarrant County People's Front", which expound on the glorious history of the peoples of my region of greater DFW.

Spanish language flyers will not be available

147 Athos  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:20:57pm

re: #141 Maximu§

Charles, in 10 years these radical parties mentioned in this thread will be in power, because the present governments have turned their backs on their own citizens.

I'm no fan of these people, but we're looking at the future of Europe.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

I hope you are wrong - but am afraid you are not. Fascism will be prevelent there one way or another and the carnage in the 21st Century will exceed the carnage that took place in Europe in the 20th Century.

148 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:21:32pm

re: #141 Maximu§

Charles, in 10 years these radical parties mentioned in this thread will be in power, because the present governments have turned their backs on their own citizens.

I'm no fan of these people, but we're looking at the future of Europe.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

that is a chilling prospect.

149 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:21:41pm

re: #141 Maximu§

Charles, in 10 years these radical parties mentioned in this thread will be in power, because the present governments have turned their backs on their own citizens.

I'm no fan of these people, but we're looking at the future of Europe.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR


Europe seems to have a long history of turning to fascism when things get rough.

150 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:21:54pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

From your link:

But a common enemy can be a powerful cement for couples flying from the wing. In this case, Islamophobia which acts as Viagra

LOL!

151 guftafs  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:22:06pm

re: #144 infidel4ever

Credit where credit is due, though: So far, Vlaams Belang is the only political party that has made a statement in support of Geert Wilders, re the speech of that horrible Syrian mufti in the EUSSR Parliament.
[Link: www.expatica.com...]

The rest of the politicians here just nodded their heads and cowered...

I don't know if Wilders has commented, he stays as far away as possible from VB.

I don't know. Why do they stand up for Wilders? They don't do it for freedom or free speech.

152 MarshallOnellion  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:22:22pm

This has been predicted. If Western Europe follows the political pattern of the late 1920s on, the secular, liberal, self-described tolerant parties will wring their hands. Meanwhile, Europeans who are not and don't want to become or be dominated by Islam will have a cruel choice- the BNP or dhimmi status. And these are the people and governments who, from their lofty peak of moral superiority lecture us? Hmmm.....

153 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:23:22pm

re: #144 infidel4ever

This article Killgore linked says Wilders was not there.

154 njdhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:24:24pm

re: #149 Golem Akbar

re: #141 Maximu§


Charles, in 10 years these radical parties mentioned in this thread will be in power, because the present governments have turned their backs on their own citizens.

I'm no fan of these people, but we're looking at the future of Europe.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR


Europe seems to have a long history of turning to fascism when things get rough.

Then the US & UK always seem to come and bail the out. I hope we have a strong enough leader, when that time comes, that has the testicles to save the world again.

155 Globular Cluster  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:24:45pm

re: #149 Golem Akbar

re: #141 Maximu§

Charles, in 10 years these radical parties mentioned in this thread will be in power, because the present governments have turned their backs on their own citizens.

I'm no fan of these people, but we're looking at the future of Europe.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR


Europe seems to have a long history of turning to fascism when things get rough.

Europeans can never be fascists as long as they hate Bush.

156 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:25:07pm

re: #151 guftafs

re: #144 infidel4ever


Credit where credit is due, though: So far, Vlaams Belang is the only political party that has made a statement in support of Geert Wilders...

I don't know. Why do they stand up for Wilders? They don't do it for freedom or free speech.

They're pandering for support, just like they did with the SIOE.

157 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:25:11pm

re: #149 Golem Akbar

re: #141 Maximu§


Charles, in 10 years these radical parties mentioned in this thread will be in power, because the present governments have turned their backs on their own citizens.

I'm no fan of these people, but we're looking at the future of Europe.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR


Europe seems to have a long history of turning to fascism when things get rough.

Do they have a goose-stepping gene?

158 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:25:14pm
159 nolocon  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:25:17pm

re: #134 Silhouette

Islamism is a threat against western civilization. Western civilization needs to win. But some can't separate race from culture, and think the only way to have western civilization is to have all white people. The cure is worse than the disease.


It is almost exclusively a post-WWII/Holocaust phenomenon to believe that race and culture are separate. The reasons for that belief are understandable, namely, we witnessed first-hand the eventual consequence when race is exalted over humanity.
Ironically western caucasians are virtually the ONLY ethnic/racial group on Planet Earth that believes ethnicity and race should be considered distinguishable to culture/civilization.

160 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:25:25pm

re: #149 Golem Akbar

I was in Italy lately & I heard comments that make me agree with you.

161 guftafs  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:25:51pm

re: #146 Pawn of the Oppressor

"Alsace First"! LOL. Like VB being Flemish nationalists...

The Balkanization of Europe. If these guys have their way, the "disappearance" of the Muslims will only be the beginning. If all non-European elements are driven out, they'll start looking at each other saying, "Hang on there, I remember the battle of X in YYYY. What an insult!" There'll always be more hate to vent.

162 Athos  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:25:53pm

re: #154 njdhockeyfan

re: #149 Golem Akbar


re: #141 Maximu§

Charles, in 10 years these radical parties mentioned in this thread will be in power, because the present governments have turned their backs on their own citizens.
I'm no fan of these people, but we're looking at the future of Europe.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR


Europe seems to have a long history of turning to fascism when things get rough.

Then the US & UK always seem to come and bail the out. I hope we have a strong enough leader, when that time comes, that has the testicles to save the world again.


Many times we have been fortunate enough to have the right leader at the right place at the right time - but at somepoint, that luck may run out. We could use a leader like that now - but none are visible......

163 guftafs  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:26:33pm

re: #156 konservo

re: #151 guftafs

re: #144 infidel4ever


They're pandering for support, just like they did with the SIOE.

Yep.

164 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:27:29pm
165 Meremortal  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:27:58pm

The enemy of my enemy is an asshole.

Suddenly I know how Ron Paul feels.

No, on second thought I don't. If they donate any money to me, it's going straight to a Zionist charity!

166 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:28:10pm

re: #154 njdhockeyfan

re: #149 Golem Akbar


re: #141 Maximu§

Charles, in 10 years these radical parties mentioned in this thread will be in power, because the present governments have turned their backs on their own citizens.
I'm no fan of these people, but we're looking at the future of Europe.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR


Europe seems to have a long history of turning to fascism when things get rough.

Then the US & UK always seem to come and bail the out. I hope we have a strong enough leader, when that time comes, that has the testicles to save the world again.


Amen that. I hope we have leaders with the testicles to finish this war in Iraq, then maybe we'll be able to help Europe. Otherwise....[I don't want to think about the otherwise]

167 Orde  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:28:51pm

re: #115 Spenser (with an S)

re: #100 Orde
As a theologically conservative Christian

Me too, but what has James Dobson said or done that ticked you off?
/Really asking, I haven't heard.

I have an extremely long list of grievances against Dobson (head of "Focus on the Family") and how he's hurt the Body of Christ, but for purposes of this thread, I'm referring to his key role in giving cause for outsiders to blaspheme the name of Christ ("Christofascists" and all the other aspersions) due to the making of poor alliances (including with white supremacists) in order to advance his political agenda.

I realize that each member of the Body of Christ has different areas of expertise or functions (some are toes, some are hearts, some are mouths, etc), and that it's perfectly fine for someone to "focus on the family" if it also advances focusing on Christ or at least doesn't work against it, but quite frankly Dobson's much too focused on politics. ("what does it profit a man to gain the world if he loses his soul?")

168 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:29:14pm
169 njdhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:29:22pm

re: #162 Athos

re: #154 njdhockeyfan


re: #149 Golem Akbar

re: #141 Maximu§

Charles, in 10 years these radical parties mentioned in this thread will be in power, because the present governments have turned their backs on their own citizens.
I'm no fan of these people, but we're looking at the future of Europe.
Maximu§
3/11 ACR

Europe seems to have a long history of turning to fascism when things get rough.

Then the US & UK always seem to come and bail the out. I hope we have a strong enough leader, when that time comes, that has the testicles to save the world again.

Many times we have been fortunate enough to have the right leader at the right place at the right time - but at somepoint, that luck may run out. We could use a leader like that now - but none are visible......

I agree. When I read stuff like this, the hair stands up on the back of my neck...

A trip to Norway has reinforced Keith Ellison's support for a bill that would create a Cabinet-level Department of Peace.

The Democratic congressman, who represents Minnesota's Fifth District with its strong Norwegian heritage, spent last week in the Scandinavian country to learn about peace and justice issues. The trip was paid for by the House Financial Services Committee, on which he sits.

In an interview from Oslo last week, Ellison said he would reemphasize the importance of the bill, authored by Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio.

170 bbcrackmonkey  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:29:37pm

If you've ever read stuff by the BNP online you'd know that they are practically the British version of American Stormfronters and other Neo-Nazis. They're just more focused on hating Islam than they are Jews. They use anti-Islam sentiment to attract people in the same way that Pat Buchanan uses anti-immigration sentiment. If you listen to them talk about Jews behind closed doors it's all the same, though.

171 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:29:58pm

re: #168 Rodan

I also think he's a "unitarian".

172 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:30:00pm

re: #168 Rodan

re: #156 konservo

Justiceforall is an Olbyloon.

LOL! How do you figure?

173 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:30:22pm
174 Charles  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:30:37pm

I'm respecting Wilders more now that it's clear he's staying away from these types.

Of course, I always did respect him for his magnificent hair.

175 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:31:15pm
176 Catttt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:31:47pm

re: #174 Charles

I'm respecting Wilders more now that it's clear he's staying away from these types.

Of course, I always did respect him for his magnificent hair.

Totally in agreement - even about the hair.

I'm glad there are some sane honcho types left in Europe.

177 MarshallOnellion  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:31:53pm

Re: #159

Sorry, disagree. Partial list of groups not Western, nor Caucasian, that link ethnicity and race to culture/civilization:
Russia, China, Japan, Korea, Turkey, Iran, most of sub-Saharan Africa (where the link is typically to tribe, a subdivision of ethnicity or race). The Turks, the Arabs, and the Iranian include a great deal of mutual dislike that transcends religion, to cite another instance.

178 Iron Fist  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:32:06pm

re: #141 Maximu§,

I am afraid you are right. Part of the problem is that the L³eft has spent decades screaming Fascist! where there was no fascisism, so when the real thing shows up, one is skeptical when the usual suspects say their usual tripe.

Only this time it is for real.

It doesn't help that the L³eftists are completely in bed with the Islamofascists. I can understand the despair that leads the people in Europe to say "Why not? If it's going to be bad, at least let it be bad for my enemies". The problem is we are not where it has to be bad. Or at least not this bad. Respectable anti-jihadi Parties could still form.

This step (and the embracing of the neo-nazis that we've seen so far on this side of the pond) make that less likely.

179 infidel4ever  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:32:18pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

re: #144 infidel4ever

This article Killgore linked says Wilders was not there.


No, no, he has nothing to do with Vlaams Belang or their ilk.

180 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:32:50pm
181 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:32:54pm

re: #161 guftafs

There'll always be more hate to vent.

Star-bellied Sneetches.

182 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:33:17pm

re: #173 Rodan

Oh, so he's a bona fide Olbyloon.

183 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:33:42pm
184 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:34:01pm
185 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:34:10pm

re: #179 infidel4ever

re: #153 Sharmuta

re: #144 infidel4ever

This article Killgore linked says Wilders was not there.


No, no, he has nothing to do with Vlaams Belang or their ilk.

It seems to me he's taken up the mantle left by Pim Fortuyn.

186 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:34:20pm

re: #174 Charles

I'm respecting Wilders more now that it's clear he's staying away from these types.

Of course, I always did respect him for his magnificent hair.

It's too bad he doesn't live here, because he'd be great as an SNL guest star, or as a target for impersonation.

Personally I believe The Hair is the source of his power.

187 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:35:03pm
188 Athos  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:35:14pm

re: #184 buzzsawmonkey

Might as well rename the State Department to Department of Peace. As for the suggestion on renaming the DOD - faster please.

189 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:35:34pm

re: #158 Rodan

You are really obsessed with Keith Olbermann. It's actually a little strange.

190 nolocon  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:35:35pm

re: #177 MarshallOnellion

Re: #159
Sorry, disagree. Partial list of groups not Western, nor Caucasian, that link ethnicity and race to culture/civilization:
Russia, China, Japan, Korea, Turkey, Iran, most of sub-Saharan Africa (where the link is typically to tribe, a subdivision of ethnicity or race). The Turks, the Arabs, and the Iranian include a great deal of mutual dislike that transcends religion, to cite another instance.


I think you misread my post, specifically last sentence (emphasis on "distinguishable").

191 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:35:48pm

re: #178 Iron Fist

It sounds like you've been reading, or would enjoy, Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning

192 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:36:08pm

re: #170 bbcrackmonkey

If you've ever read stuff by the BNP online you'd know that they are practically the British version of American Stormfronters and other Neo-Nazis. They're just more focused on hating Islam than they are Jews. They use anti-Islam sentiment to attract people in the same way that Pat Buchanan uses anti-immigration sentiment. If you listen to them talk about Jews behind closed doors it's all the same, though.

I'm not surprised. Charles has also pointed this out, lately. Atlas and a few others, Jews, are falling for these fascist's lies since they seem to be so anti-Islamofascist. Of course they are anti-Islamo-fascist, and anti-semitic and anti-democratic, as well.

I hope Europeans wake up to these dangers before it's all over. Yeah, the Moslems may get tossed out of Europe, but so will many many others. And with them go the democratic Moslem reformers (who could bring about real change in their religion) and everyone else opposed to fascism.

193 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:36:27pm
194 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:37:12pm
195 njdhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:37:21pm

re: #189 justiceforall

re: #158 Rodan

You are really obsessed with Keith Olbermann. It's actually a little strange.

I have never seen more than 5 minutes of Keith Olbermann's pathetic show on MSNBC. Five minutes was enough.

:)

196 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:37:42pm
197 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:38:09pm

re: #189 justiceforall

re: #158 Rodan

You are really obsessed with Keith Olbermann. It's actually a little strange.

Olberman's a fucking tool.

198 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:38:24pm

re: #164 Rodan

What do you mean "nope?" Are you saying Hitler did NOT align with Japan or the Mufti of Jerusalem? Are you saying the U.S. did not support the mujadeen (sp?) in Afghanistan against the Soviets? Are you saying Chavez does not align with Iran?

199 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:38:31pm
200 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:39:15pm
201 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:39:17pm

re: #173 Rodan

I think I said I didn't watch him. When did I say that? Please link to the comment where I say that. Thanks.

202 nolocon  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:39:31pm

re: #189 justiceforall

re: #158 Rodan
You are really obsessed with Keith Olbermann. It's actually a little strange.


I don't see him as obsessed.
Olbermann is the oracle of the fanatic, veinpopping, hate-filled Moonbat Left.
The Moonbats unquestioningly and mindlessly regurgigate his bile.
He's a legitimate target of criticism.

203 guftafs  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:39:33pm

re: #159 nolocon

re: #134 Silhouette



Ironically western caucasians are virtually the ONLY ethnic/racial group on Planet Earth that believes ethnicity and race should be considered distinguishable to culture/civilization.

Except certain western caucasian, like nolocon, who fall outside western culture, thereby disproving what he just said.

/sheesh, that's dumb!

204 Andrew Ian Dodge  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:39:42pm

Yeah, the weird part is the Euro-Nazis are Anti-Islamist.
The American Nazis are Pro-Islamist.
They have their feet in both camps.
Something is up and doesn't smell right.

And the irony, of course, is that proper Islamist admire and respect the original NAZIS and Adolf Hitler for what they did and believed in.

205 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:39:44pm

The spread of islamofascism must be stopped, but it cannot and must not be done by embracing eurofascism.

Embracing the darkside to defeat the darkside (ala Luke Skywalker) only works in fictional stories.

206 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:39:55pm
207 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:40:35pm

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

re: #186 Pawn of the Oppressor


Personally I believe The Hair is the source of his power.

Samson!

Zionist Hair Rays!

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEWS!

/Achmed al-Kirk

Seriously, there's a lot of fun to be had with is hair.

- Does he have a stylist? And if so, what does he tell the stylist? "See, right now it's more of a whoosh. I need it like (Geert makes vacuum noise)". You follow?"

- Can he keep things in there, like fancy ladies of the 17th century?

- Would he consider moonlighting in a jazz fusion band? And if so, what brand of shades would he wear?

And now, we present Geert Wilders and the Dutch Delights...

208 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:40:45pm

nolocon,

I understood what you said!

209 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:40:57pm

re: #196 Rodan

Your tirade is amazingly funny. Now that you've gotten that out of your system, can you please make a real argument. Thanks in advance.

210 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:42:00pm

Looks like Stinky better get busy

211 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:42:01pm

re: #199 Rodan

I am? I had no idea?

212 Iron Fist  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:42:19pm

re: #154 njdhockeyfan,

I'm not so sure we will come bail them out this time, and Britain has her own Mohammedan problem to deal with. The new generation has witnessed the prior ingratituted for being saved by the people of Western Europe (the Axis of Weasels ring a bell?). If we go to war for Europe, look to the east where old foes seem truer allies.

213 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:42:43pm
214 nolocon  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:42:52pm

re: #203 guftafs

re: #159 nolocon

re: #134 Silhouette

Ironically western caucasians are virtually the ONLY ethnic/racial group on Planet Earth that believes ethnicity and race should be considered distinguishable to culture/civilization.

Except certain western caucasian, like nolocon, who fall outside western culture, thereby disproving what he just said.
/sheesh, that's dumb!


How come MY troll has to be the illiterate one?

215 ciaospirit  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:43:02pm

re: #169 njdhockeyfan

A trip to Norway has reinforced Keith Ellison's support for a bill that would create a Cabinet-level Department of Peace.

The Democratic congressman, who represents Minnesota's Fifth District with its strong Norwegian heritage, spent last week in the Scandinavian country to learn about peace and justice issues. The trip was paid for by the House Financial Services Committee, on which he sits.

In an interview from Oslo last week, Ellison said he would reemphasize the importance of the bill, authored by Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohi

Taxdollars at work. Couldn't he have just done a conference call? Isn't he concerned about his carbon footprint? I wonder how much he cares about that strong Norwegian heritage when he's out stomping for CAIR.

216 Confuzed  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:43:11pm

Clicking on the pictures in Charle's #137 link, brings up descriptions. Here's one:

Belgian police officers arrest demonstrators 11 September 2007 during a forbidden demonstration against "the Islamisation of Europe" called by far-right organisations, 11 September 2007 in Brussels. Belgian police detained dozens of people for taking part in the protest which had been banned by city authorities.

Since the citizens aren't even allowed to hold demonstrations as their public safety can't ensured, I'm afraid extreme parties will gain in power.

/Maybe I'm incorrect as I'm going from memory, but I think the protests were banned as the officials couldn't guarantee the safety of the protestors.

217 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:43:47pm

re: #206 Rodan

Whoa, let's do a little spellchecking before you hit post. I know you are angry, but take a step back before you put your words online. Anyway, I never said it was strange, people align with people they might not like when it works for them politically.

218 bulwrk  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:44:07pm

re: #198 justiceforall

Are you saying the U.S. did not support the mujadeen (sp?) in Afghanistan against the Soviets?


The CIA covertly supplied some weapons to the mujahideen,the U.S never aligned itself with them as you stated in your original comment.

219 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:44:10pm
220 Rodan[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:44:32pm
221 Iron Fist  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:44:39pm

re: #191 konservo,

The next book on my list. I'm currently reading Koba the Dread about Stalin. They kind of fit. :-)

222 guftafs  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:44:45pm

re: #214 nolocon

re: #203 guftafs

How come MY troll has to be the illiterate one?

Sorry I lost you.

223 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:45:48pm

re: #213 Rodan

Hehe. Did Keith Olbermann tell you that?

Does the U.S. support Saudi Arabia, an Islamist regime? I know that Charles has been good about denouncing that. Do you as well? I hope so.

224 HillarysJockstrap  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:46:10pm

Are the trolls here trying to defend Vlaams Blaang, Keith Olbermann, or both? I can never keep it straight.

225 Catttt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:46:11pm

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

re: #186 Pawn of the Oppressor


Personally I believe The Hair is the source of his power.

Samson!

Zionist Hair Rays!

Yes, it's totally a Samson thing. I cannot believe I didn't realize that before now. :)

Here is an interesting pic of him - during the last campaign. Note his very alert bodyguards surrounding him at close quarters.

226 infidel4ever  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:47:30pm

re: #192 Golem Akbar

re: #170 bbcrackmonkey


I hope Europeans wake up to these dangers before it's all over.

There is no way I would like to live in a fascist Europe, but what is supposed to happen if we "wake up"? Do Belgians who don't want to live in a Caliphate have anybody else they can vote for, besides VB? We Dutch are lucky to have Wilders, at least we are not forced to make that choice.

And with them go the democratic Moslem reformers (who could bring about real change in their religion) and everyone else opposed to fascism.

Yeah right. Keep hoping for the democratic, integrated Muslim to come riding to the rescue on his white steed. The Muslims we are having problems with are second, third and even fourth generation Moroccans and Turks, born and bred in the Netherlands and preparing to turn my country into an Islamic sh*thole. No hope there. Just some wolves in sheep's clothing fooling the kuffar (Tariq Ramadan et al).

227 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:48:19pm

And there we go...

This is the answer to the question many were pondering after the Vlaams Belang controversy: will they get serious about rejecting racists, antisemites, Holocaust deniers, and racial nationalist ideology? So much for the hopeful 'watch and see' attitude with regard to the VB.

This is also the same message I have gotten reoeatedly from VBers in person: 'now is the time for everyone on the right -- even the neo-nazis and white nationalists -- to unite against Muslims in Europe; now is not the time question whether the white nationalist ideology is right or wrong. We can deal with small differences of ideology, later', they claim.

It's extremely sad and worrisome for decent folks here that these are the people (WN scum) who are speaking out most publically about the jihad. It's no small problem, unfortunately, particularly in Belgium where the VB have a good number of supporters.

228 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:48:29pm
229 yochanan  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:48:47pm

re: #110 Maximu§

correct time for jews to get out of euroland.

230 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:48:58pm

re: #218 bulwrk


The CIA covertly supplied some weapons to the mujahideen,the U.S never aligned itself with them as you stated in your original comment.

I understand the ISI did most of the distribution and support work, for that matter.

I'm not sure exactly how the Stingers got in, though.

231 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:48:58pm

re: #220 Rodan

I'd step back when you say "leftists," as it is one big united group. As you might know, the left is very fragmented group, with different sectarians often going at each other (please see a famous scene in Life of Brian, the Monty Python movie).

Sadly, some far-far left sectarians ignore the crimes of some Islamic movements and governments. Others, thankfully, do denouce them. I just wish those got more attention.

232 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:49:57pm

re: #219 savage_nation

You are pro-Islamist/Keith Olbermann-lover for saying that!

233 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:50:35pm

typo: repeatedly

234 nolocon  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:51:02pm

re: #222 guftafs

re: #214 nolocon

re: #203 guftafs
How come MY troll has to be the illiterate one?

Sorry I lost you.


I don't mind insults, but I prefer them to be coherent.

235 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:51:52pm

re: #224 HillarysJockstrap

In my case (I'm guessing that because I've been called a troll so many times you are referring to me in part), I actually stand against Vlaams Blaang (and all racists/anti-Semites/fascists/bigots for that matter). In the case of Olbermann, I know very little about him, other than Rodan seems to have some sort of obsession with him.

236 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:51:56pm
237 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:52:05pm
238 infidel4ever  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:52:49pm

OT but fun:

"Here is the Washington Post's Mensa Invitational, which once again asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding,
subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition. The 2006 winners are:

1) Cashtration (n.): The act of buying (or building) a house, which
renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period of time.
2) Ignoranus: A person who's both stupid and an asshole.
3) Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you
realize that it was your money to start with.
4) Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly.
5) Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright
ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign
of breaking down in the near future.
6) Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of
getting laid.
7) Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high.
8) Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person
who doesn't get it.
9) Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.
10) Hipatitis: Terminal coolness.
11) Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.)
12) Karmageddon: It's when everybody is sending off all these really bad
vibes, and then the Earth explodes and it's a serious bummer.
13) Decafalon: (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day
consuming only things that are good for you.
14) Glibido: All talk and no action.
15) Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when
they come at you rapidly.
16) Arachnoleptic Fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after you've
accidentally walked through a spider web.
17) Beelzebug (n.): Satan in the form of a mosquito, that gets into your
bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out.
18) Caterpallor (n.): The color you turn after finding half a worm in the
fruit you're eating.

239 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:53:05pm

re: #224 HillarysJockstrap

Are the trolls here trying to defend Vlaams Blaang, Keith Olbermann, or both? I can never keep it straight.

Just one trying to paint all anti-jihad sentiment with the nazi brush.

Ironic, given that the whole point of this thread and the recurring effort of Charles' is to say that, no, one doesn't have to partner with racists to fight jihad.

240 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:53:12pm

re: #237 savage_nation

Sarcasm doesn't come across well over blog threads. Sorry.

241 infidel4ever  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:53:40pm

And:

The Washington Post has also published the winning submissions to its
yearly contest in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for common words. And the winners are:

1) Coffee, (n.) the person upon whom one coughs.
2) Flabbergasted, (adj.) appalled by discovering how much weight one has
gained.
3) Abdicate, (v.) to give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach.
4) Esplanade, (v.) to attempt an explanation while drunk.
5) Willy-Nilly, (adj.) impotent.
6) Negligent, (adj.) absentmindedly answering the door when wearing only
a nightgown.
7) Lymph, (v.) to walk with a lisp.
8) Gargoyle, (n.) olive-flavored mouthwash.
9) Flatulence, (n.) emergency vehicle that picks up someone who has been
run over by a steamroller.
10) Balderdash, ( n.) a rapidly receding hairline.
11) Testicle, (n.) a humorous question on an exam.
12) Rectitude, (n.) the formal, dignified bearing
adopted by proctologists.
13) Pokemon, (n.) a Rastafarian proctologist.
14) Oyster, (n.) a person who sprinkles his
conversation with Yiddishisms.
15) Frisbeetarianism, (n.) the belief that, after
death, the soul flies up onto the roof and gets stuck there.
16) Circumvent, (n.) an opening in the front of boxer
shorts worn by Jewish men."

242 guftafs  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:54:03pm

re: #234 nolocon

re: #222 guftafs


re: #214 nolocon

re: #203 guftafs
How come MY troll has to be the illiterate one?


Sorry I lost you.


I don't mind insults, but I prefer them to be coherent.

Did I mess up my grammar again?

243 Querent  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:54:27pm

|_|)
here is a drink for savage (from a dead thread i got to a bit too late)

244 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:54:29pm
245 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:54:49pm
246 bulwrk  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:55:55pm

re: #237 savage_nation

justiceforall is a troll who believes that any deviation from the company line on this blog will result in you're beheading.

247 HillarysJockstrap  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:56:45pm

re: #235 justiceforall

re: #224 HillarysJockstrap
In my case (I'm guessing that because I've been called a troll so many times you are referring to me in part), I actually stand against Vlaams Blaang (and all racists/anti-Semites/fascists/bigots for that matter). In the case of Olbermann, I know very little about him, other than Rodan seems to have some sort of obsession with him.


Actually, I wasn't referring to you. Though, I don't understand your comment about Rodan. How are you offended if Rodan wants to target Olbermann?

248 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:57:14pm
249 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:57:16pm
250 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:57:25pm

re: #246 bulwrk

Please. You can do better than that.

251 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:59:03pm

re: #247 HillarysJockstrap

Oh I'm not offended. It's just ever time I say something he's like "You are a crazy Olbermann-loving nut," which I just find strange because I've never said a word about supporting Olbermann (I've never watched his show/segment/whatever it is).

252 ciaospirit  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:59:22pm

re: #226 infidel4ever

The Muslims we are having problems with are second, third and even fourth generation Moroccans and Turks, born and bred in the Netherlands

Many people don't realize it, but that's a big problem in the U.S. and showing them the beauty of freedom and democracy hasn't made a dent. On the other hand, my grandfather couldn't wait to become a citizen. As soon as he (1st generation Italian) got his citizenship, he considered himself forever and always an American first. Same with the next three generations he spawned. That is the difference.

253 bulwrk  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:00:18pm

re: #250 justiceforall

I think my comment was direct and to the point,I am not a man of many words.

254 haakondahl  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:00:48pm

Open Memo to Charles Johnson:

Thank you for your steadfast refusal to buckle one way or the other. The moral position of America, and we have never surrendered the moral high ground except in the minds of leftist journalists, depends upon people like you threading the narrows between the Islamic Fascists on the one hand, and the Nazi Fascists on the other. No doubt, at its core the issue hardly seems narrow--either one is a fascist or one isn't--but look at how many of our former friends (fjordman, et al) and one-time heroes (Ahem, Pam) have not been able to see their way through.

Moral leadership rests upon always being able to connect your current or local actions to your own morally sound, permanent, guiding principles. Always.

I don't get around to post here much anymore, what with new jobs and firewalls, but I remain a committed lizard, and want to draw some attention to the appallingly rare sort of community leadership you have provided. It may just be blogging from common sense to you, but in this new media, common sense is an uncommon virtue.

Thank you. Please keep up the Good Work.

255 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:01:36pm
256 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:01:40pm

Trying to find out if the German party is the NPD, who are genuine Nazi sympathizers.

257 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:01:44pm
258 HillarysJockstrap  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:02:17pm

re: #251 justiceforall

re: #247 HillarysJockstrap
Oh I'm not offended. It's just ever time I say something he's like "You are a crazy Olbermann-loving nut," which I just find strange because I've never said a word about supporting Olbermann (I've never watched his show/segment/whatever it is).


If you know nothing about Olbermann, then for all you know being accused of being an Olbermann lover might be a compliment. Think positive!

259 Frank_Mtl  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:02:32pm

Just for the record, I posted that spinoff link as I thought anyone reading it would be as dismayed as I was reading it. Obviously not in appreciation of it. Also, I realized after the fact that it was a bad idea to link to that trash site. I apologize to anyone offended by that posting.

260 Maximu§  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:02:41pm

OT

Michael Savage is interviewing Sylvester Stallone today. The show is about to start!
910 KNEW

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

261 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:03:20pm

re: #256 Yank in the EU

See #13 too- I wondered if it wasn't this newer party.

262 nikis-knight  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:04:01pm

re: #177 MarshallOnellion

Re: #159

Sorry, disagree. Partial list of groups not Western, nor Caucasian, that link ethnicity and race to culture/civilization:
Russia, China, Japan, Korea, Turkey, Iran, most of sub-Saharan Africa (where the link is typically to tribe, a subdivision of ethnicity or race). The Turks, the Arabs, and the Iranian include a great deal of mutual dislike that transcends religion, to cite another instance.

reread #159, he says Western civ is the only one NOT to link race and culture. I'm not sure, there may be exceptions, but I suspect he (and you) are right.

263 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:04:21pm

Haider's Freedom Party of Austria were there, who are hardcore racial nationalist.

264 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:04:33pm

i wonder what we will do if (when) islam reaches the tipping point here. ( i'd like to think we wouldn't need nazis to combat the islamists.)

265 alteredbeat  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:04:38pm

I certainly hope they are successful in their efforts.

266 mean Gene  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:04:46pm

All this talk about Keith O. of MSNBC reminds me; I had set the TV to allow that channel thinking I would catch the "debate" the other night.
Then, I missed the "debate" and still have MS....on my remote.
I just took it off.
Thanks Rodan.

267 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:05:13pm

Paging Doctor Stinky, paging Doctor Stinky.

268 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:05:26pm

OT: Shameless plug for sympathy from stangers:

A deadline got moved up and I just found out I get to work 12, possibly 19, or 26 days straight. Yea! At least I gat paid by the hour.

269 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:05:38pm

re: #198 justiceforall

to be honest,tarring the muj.with the same brush is like saying "all americans this or all americans that"it's not that simple,there were muj. who were patriots for afganistan,and there were muj. who fought for allah.

don't believe the hype.

270 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:05:42pm

Sarkozy kisses ass, seething ensues.....
Sarkozy sparks French debate over God and faith

In Riyadh on Monday, he hailed Islam as "one of the greatest and most beautiful civilisations the world has known" and described his Saudi hosts as rulers who "appeal to the basic values of Islam to combat the fundamentalism that negates them".

His praise for a kingdom that enforces and propagates a strict version of Islam, during a visit aimed at securing lucrative export contracts, was the last straw for his critics.

271 Athos  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:06:01pm

re: #264 nyc redneck

i wonder what we will do if (when) islam reaches the tipping point here. ( i'd like to think we wouldn't need nazis to combat the islamists.)

Unfortunately, the way the left is here and now, we'll be called nazi's for fighting them.....but then, they do that now even when they are the ones standing closer to the nazi ideology.

272 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:06:17pm

re: #258 HillarysJockstrap

Ha. Looking on the bright side! I'll remember that.

273 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:06:43pm

re: #261 Sharmuta


Ah, that's interesting. Thank you. I wonder if they have distanced themselves from the neo-Nazi NPD? Because the latter in the past have actually supported radical Islam against the Jews.

274 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:07:09pm

re: #253 bulwrk

Or a man of spaces after commas, for that matter.

275 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:07:10pm

re: #264 nyc redneck

I would think not! Troops may be old, but never ready to give up the fight.

Top

276 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:08:16pm

re: #259 Frank_Mtl

I think that's a good link.

277 obscured by clouds  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:08:54pm
"We are not opposed to freedom of religion but we don't want Muslims to impose their way of life and traditions over here because much of it is not compatible with our way of life," Vlaams Belang's Filip Dewinter told Radio Netherlands Worldwide. "We can't accept headscarves in our schools, forced marriages and the ritual slaughter of animals."

I'm far from being a white supremicist but there's not much to disagree with in this quote, imo.

278 Catttt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:08:54pm

re: #250 justiceforall

re: #246 bulwrk

Please. You can do better than that.

"People really appreciate not being condescended to."
Matt Groening

The reverse is also true - especially when the source of the condescension is - well - a doofus.

279 Frank_Mtl  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:09:29pm

re: #276 Killgore Trout
Thank you for making me feel a bit less bad about it.

280 infidel4ever  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:10:26pm

re: #252 ciaospirit

re: #226 infidel4ever


The Muslims we are having problems with are second, third and even fourth generation Moroccans and Turks, born and bred in the Netherlands

Many people don't realize it, but that's a big problem in the U.S. and showing them the beauty of freedom and democracy hasn't made a dent. On the other hand, my grandfather couldn't wait to become a citizen. As soon as he (1st generation Italian) got his citizenship, he considered himself forever and always an American first. Same with the next three generations he spawned. That is the difference.

And another point nobody ever makes is: if even those Muslims that are born in and grow up in Western countries choose their backward religion over our freedoms, wealth and progress, why do we even think we have a snowball's chance in hell to make any Islamic country in the Middle East or anywhere else for that matter into a modern, functioning democracy? As long as there is Islam, there will be trouble with it. Ban it from our countries. Wanna be a Muslim? Fine. Do it somewhere else.

281 bulwrk  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:10:27pm

re: #274 justiceforall

We all can't be as brilliant and quick witted as I'm sure you think you are.

282 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:10:32pm

re: #271 Athos

re: #264 nyc redneck

i wonder what we will do if (when) islam reaches the tipping point here. ( i'd like to think we wouldn't need nazis to combat the islamists.)

Unfortunately, the way the left is here and now, we'll be called nazi's for fighting them.....but then, they do that now even when they are the ones standing closer to the nazi ideology.

who cares what they call us as they shriek from their hiding places while we protect our country.

283 justiceforall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:11:52pm

re: #278 Catttt

Yeah, people also don't like being called an Islamist when they clearly are not.

284 Athos  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:11:59pm

re: #282 nyc redneck

re: #271 Athos


re: #264 nyc redneck

i wonder what we will do if (when) islam reaches the tipping point here. ( i'd like to think we wouldn't need nazis to combat the islamists.)

Unfortunately, the way the left is here and now, we'll be called nazi's for fighting them.....but then, they do that now even when they are the ones standing closer to the nazi ideology.

who cares what they call us as they shriek from their hiding places while we protect our country.

The challenge is - they will do what they can to prevent us from protecting the country.

285 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:12:09pm

re: #273 Yank in the EU

Well- the money quote is here:

The methods of the anti-mosque movement have been studied by far-right groups in other countries, like Austria's FPO ("Austrian Freedom Party") and Belgium's Vlaams Belang ("Flemish Interest") party.

So, I'd love to know the other parties involved. Let us know if you find anything.

286 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:12:54pm
287 haakondahl  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:13:32pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

Sarkozy kisses ass, seething ensues.....


This would seem to be the month year for the return of the Clinton Foreign Policy: International Public Fellatio.

288 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:13:59pm

re: #284 Athos

re: #282 nyc redneck

re: #271 Athos


re: #264 nyc redneck


i wonder what we will do if (when) islam reaches the tipping point here. ( i'd like to think we wouldn't need nazis to combat the islamists.)


Unfortunately, the way the left is here and now, we'll be called nazi's for fighting them.....but then, they do that now even when they are the ones standing closer to the nazi ideology.


who cares what they call us as they shriek from their hiding places while we protect our country.

The challenge is - they will do what they can to prevent us from protecting the country.

we will prevail over them. don't doubt that.

289 threecoloursblue  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:14:02pm

re: #196 Rodan

Linky?

290 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:14:15pm

OT: The 2 police officers killed yesterday in Atlanta were also veterans. One a former Marine the other Army. The Army guy had tours of duty of in Bosnia and Afghanistan only to die on the streets at home. Maybe the NY Times will be doing a story about this soon.

291 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:15:12pm
In Riyadh on Monday, he hailed Islam as "one of the greatest and most beautiful civilisations the world has known" and described his Saudi hosts as rulers who "appeal to the basic values of Islam to combat the fundamentalism that negates them".

I know what those words mean, but those sentences make no sense.

292 Orde  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:15:20pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout
I suspect Sarkozy'll manage to get more criticism than the whisper we heard this week after Bush Proclaimed Jan 16th Religious Freedom Day -- from Saudi Arabia!

293 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:15:24pm
294 Carridine  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:16:28pm

re: #257 buzzsawmonkey

ribbah...

RIBBAH!

295 Catttt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:16:49pm

re: #283 justiceforall

re: #278 Catttt

Yeah, people also don't like being called an Islamist when they clearly are not.

Subtley are-not-U, I see.

If you would just say what you mean, then say "I disagree," and say why, you would get a lot more traction on your arguments. If it is more important to pimp yourself as right and smart, then you will perhaps derive personal satisfaction, but that's about it.

Usually, people who feel small try to make others feel small, so that they can feel larger. My daddy called that "trying to make up for a size five shoe."

296 Orde  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:17:01pm

re: #291 Diamond Bullet

I know what those words mean, but those sentences make no sense.


Ask Rudy Giuliani, he pretty much said the same thing.

297 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:17:17pm

re: #285 Sharmuta

Yes, I wish I had extra time to be investigating this new coalition. I would not be surprised if the new German party includes members of the NPD who magically had a change of heart from being against the Jews at all cost to now being against Muslims at all cost.

298 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:18:09pm
299 ciaospirit  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:18:09pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

Sarkozy kisses ass, seething ensues.....
Sarkozy sparks French debate over God and faith

In Riyadh on Monday, he hailed Islam as "one of the greatest and most beautiful civilisations the world has known" and described his Saudi hosts as rulers who "appeal to the basic values of Islam to combat the fundamentalism that negates them"

Islam is a civilisation? Good, since it's not a religion, take away it's special religious status.

The twice-divorced president defines himself as a "cultural Catholic", an infrequent churchgoer who says he values the moral and social role that religion can play in society.

"Someone who believes is someone who hopes," he said in the speech in Rome's Basilica of Saint John Lateran. "It is in the republic's interest to have many men and women who hope."

Even if they hope to kill your appeasing ass, Mr. Sarkozy.

300 Athos  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:18:54pm

re: #288 nyc redneck

I know. It might seem daunting, but to not prevail is far far worse.

301 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:19:13pm

re: #287 haakondahl

re: #292 Orde

It's so embarrassing to watch the leaders of the free world grovel to the Wahabi despots.

302 Catttt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:19:21pm

re: #297 Yank in the EU

re: #285 Sharmuta

Yes, I wish I had extra time to be investigating this new coalition. I would not be surprised if the new German party includes members of the NPD who magically had a change of heart from being against the Jews at all cost to now being against Muslims at all cost.

The bottom line for them, imho, is they need to have their foot on someone else's neck. The owner of the neck changes, but the desire to have one's foot solidly on a neck remains.

303 haakondahl  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:19:41pm

re: #293 buzzsawmonkey

re: #287 haakondahl


This would seem to be the month year for the return of the Clinton Foreign Policy: International Public Fellatio.

"There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Fellatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

--William Shake"spear"

"How many cannon do you mount?"
--Fellatio Hornblower, R.N.

304 Carridine  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:20:21pm

re: #298 buzzsawmonkey

Sir, yes Sir!

Guilty as charged...

/send me an email, I'll tell you my "You're all under arrest!" story

305 Catttt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:20:43pm

Oh - turning into a penis thread, I see. :)

306 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:21:04pm
307 haakondahl  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:21:29pm

re: #305 Catttt

Oh - turning into a penis thread, I see. :)

Just trying to improve the level of intercourse around here.

308 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:21:30pm

re: #305 Catttt

Don't worry. These discussions are usually short and play themselves out quickly.

309 jcm  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:21:49pm

re: #290 Just_A_Grunt

I saw the story about the fallen officers yesterday, at that time they hadn't been identified.

It's been a while since I've been as pissed off as that Slimes story pissed me off.

NY Slimes; no mass murder in Stalin's Russia, our returning troops are out of control killing machines.

No one at the Slimes is fit to lick the latrines of our Military. *spit*

310 HillarysJockstrap  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:22:02pm

Words of wisdom for VB and its new-found allies. From Pope Pius XI's address to 1937 Germany (Mit Brenneder Sorge):

"Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community—however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things—whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds"
"This God, this Sovereign Master, has issued commandments whose value is independent of time and space, country and race. As God's sun shines on every human face so His law knows neither privilege nor exception. Rulers and subjects, crowned and uncrowned, rich and poor are equally subject to His word. From the fullness of the Creators' right there naturally arises the fullness of His right to be obeyed by individuals and communities, whoever they are. This obedience permeates all branches of activity in which moral values claim harmony with the law of God, and pervades all integration of the ever-changing laws of man into the immutable laws of God."
"None but superficial minds could stumble into concepts of a national God, of a national religion; or attempt to lock within the frontiers of a single people, within the narrow limits of a single race, God, the Creator of the universe, King and Legislator of all nations before whose immensity they are 'as a drop of a bucket' (Isaiah xI, 15)."

311 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:22:10pm

re: #302 Catttt

Indeed, see the claim of Der Spiegel:

Right-wing radicals in Cologne are gaining traction with Germany's first anti-Islamic party. The German domestic intelligence agency is alarmed -- but so are traditional neo-Nazis, who may have to shift their tactics to compete.

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

(ht: sharmuta)

312 Amillennialist  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:22:17pm
'Nazis against Islamisation' would be more accurate.

Good.

Let history's two greatest mass-murderers of Jews fight it out amongst themselves.

We need division among the enemies of Western Civilization, and unity among those defending it (Charles, Gates of Vienna, et al, that means you).

313 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:22:34pm

re: #306 song_and_dance_man

Cooking Huckabee style

314 haakondahl  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:22:46pm

re: #309 jcm

No one at the Slimes is fit to lick the latrines of our Military. *spit*

Ah, but then, who is?

315 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:23:06pm

re: #297 Yank in the EU

Yeah- I wish I could read German, but I luckily found that article a few weeks ago, and they suck in my head because of the mention of vb. I really wouldn't be surprised if this was the party- vb was already interested in them for the anti-mosque sentiment and here we are already.

316 threecoloursblue  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:24:06pm

re: #301 Killgore Trout

Thats........ Wahabi despots with oil and money to you; and don't forget it.

317 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:24:57pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

Sarkozy kisses ass, seething ensues.....
Sarkozy sparks French debate over God and faith


In Riyadh on Monday, he hailed Islam as "one of the greatest and most beautiful civilisations the world has known" and described his Saudi hosts as rulers who "appeal to the basic values of Islam to combat the fundamentalism that negates them".His praise for a kingdom that enforces and propagates a strict version of Islam,

which required him to leave his girlfriend behind.

318 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:25:01pm

re: #312 Amillennialist

Unity with the white nationalists and neo-Nazis would mean the death of the anti-jihad cause and decent conservatives in general.

319 jcm  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:25:06pm

re: #314 haakondahl

re: #309 jcm

No one at the Slimes is fit to lick the latrines of our Military. *spit*

Ah, but then, who is?

Hah! LOL!

320 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:25:26pm
321 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:25:53pm

re: #315 Sharmuta

I can read German, we'll see. Have to get to work ATM.

322 HillarysJockstrap  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:26:04pm

re: #301 Killgore Trout

re: #287 haakondahlre: #292 Orde
It's so embarrassing to watch the leaders of the free world grovel to the Wahabi despots.


Yeah, but George got a nifty sword outta the deal, so he figures it's a wash.

323 ecor1  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:27:16pm

is this a real problem?

324 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:27:43pm

re: #321 Yank in the EU

Have a good day at work. If nothing else- this goes to show what quick learners vb is.

325 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:27:56pm

re: #323 ecor1

is this a real problem?

Yes.

326 infidel Alan  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:28:21pm

So the Huckster used to eat fried squirrel cooked in a popcorn popper in his dorm room. Dumb to talk about it. Presidential all the way.

327 Catttt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:28:30pm

re: #307 haakondahl

re: #305 Catttt


Oh - turning into a penis thread, I see. :)

Just trying to improve the level of intercourse around here.

If it will help, I can link the Gallery of Intact Penises in Art again.

328 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:28:31pm

As I understand it, the primary goal of the VB is to have the Flemish half of the country secede from the rest of Belgium to form the independent nation of Flanders (okaly dokaly). They have hitched their wagon to the anti-jihad movement to get support from other Europeans who would otherwise have no dog in their fight to divide their own nation.

Forget the fact that their roots go back to Nazi-ism. Sadly, little that has to do with power in Europe doesn't. Too many people then saw the rising power of the Third Reich as an opportunity to enhance their own power. More interesting today is why so many conservative parties in Europe want to align themselves with what is essentially a rebellious movement within Belgium.

329 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:28:44pm
330 Amillennialist  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:29:11pm

re: #283 justiceforall

If you call yourself "Muslim," you are confessing your fealty to a god and prophet who command the enslavement or death of all non-Muslims who refuse to convert.

"Islamist" is just politically-correct newspeak intended to deceive the ignorant and gullible.

331 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:29:31pm
332 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:30:42pm
333 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:31:28pm

re: #328 Lizard by the Bay

More interesting today is why so many conservative parties in Europe want to align themselves with what is essentially a rebellious movement within Belgium.

I think you got it. European conservatives are a completely different breed of cat than those in America. They tend to run a little scary, a little more Nazi. American conservatives are probably closer to middle of the roaders elsewhere. Democrats with a little "d."

334 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:31:33pm

re: #134 Silhouette

Islamism is a threat against western civilization. Western civilization needs to win. But some can't separate race from culture, and think the only way to have western civilization is to have all white people. The cure is worse than the disease.

Any tennis fans will state that intermarriage produced James Blake and should be encouraged to continue. Lordy, but he's a fine young man.

335 haakondahl  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:31:41pm

re: #328 Lizard by the Bay

...the primary goal of the VB is to have the Flemish half of the country secede from the rest of Belgium to form the independent nation of Flanders...

I believe that the Nazis have already lost at least one battle for Flanders, and will have to fight again if they want it.

336 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:32:06pm

In Italy there is something called "Lega contro i musumani" But I can't find out much about it.

337 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:32:24pm

re: #313 Neo Con since 9/11

Philistine! Everyone knows you're supposed to use one of these for squirrel.

/

338 Mats  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:32:41pm

Too late for euro-dhimmis! Such is the consequence of having a whole continent ruled by people who have no allegiance to morality.

339 njdhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:32:42pm

Polish Scientists Figure Out Length of Perfect Legs

...Those with legs 5 percent over the average came in first in the hotness rankings, while those with 10 percent over came in second. Average proportions came in third.

Surprisingly, legs 15 percent longer than normal were a turn-off.

340 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:32:56pm
341 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:33:23pm

"musulmani"

PIMF

342 akak  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:34:10pm
cesium-137 had been discovered aboard a freight train bound for Iran

What is clear is that cesium-137 is a dangerous radioactive isotope. Zimmerman, the former chief scientist at the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency, says that it would be the favored substance of terrorists seeking to build a radiological "dirty bomb" or to launch a so-called "I-cube attack," which would use the easy ingestion, inhalation, or immersion of the powdery chemical to kill on a large scale.

[Link: www.eurasianet.org...]

343 Catttt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:34:45pm

re: #331 buzzsawmonkey

re: #305 Catttt


Oh - turning into a penis thread, I see. :)

The members are just having some fun.

You misunderstand me. I thought you knew me better. I LIKE penis threads.

344 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:34:57pm

re: #339 njdhockeyfan

"Legs should be long enough to reach the ground."

— A. Lincoln

345 Mardukhai  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:35:15pm

Ventriloquist Jeff Dunham's "Achmed the dead Terrorist"

It's a hoot! ("Silence! I keeeeeeeeeeeell you!")

346 njdhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:35:28pm

re: #342 akak


Yikes!

347 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:35:33pm

I'm not cooking no squirrel unlessen it's paired with moose. My Grannie Natasha insisted on it.

348 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:37:25pm

re: #326 infidel Alan

So the Huckster used to eat fried squirrel cooked in a popcorn popper in his dorm room. Dumb to talk about it. Presidential all the way.

i agree, who was he really trying to appeal to there. we who have eaten fried squirrel ( w/ drop biscuits and gravy ) don't see it as a relevant point to raise on national tv. at least i don't. i think he was trying to shock those interviewers for some reason. it was dumb to talk abt. it.

349 EC Marm  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:37:32pm

Fred! on CSPAN. Taking questions now.

350 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:37:44pm
351 Carridine  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:38:18pm

re: #320 buzzsawmonkey

I'll look into it in about an hour. Gotta run to work. Sorry 'bout the interruption...

Its not MY question, its Charles' I thimk...

bbiaw

352 Live4Truth  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:38:56pm
Vlaams Belang Joins with BNP, Other Eurofascists in New Anti-Islam Group

This actually sounds like good news, similar to how it's good news when Fatah and Hamas fight each other, or Saddam's Iraq and Iran fight each other.

On the positive side, these Euro-racists might just have a cajones to go up against the Islamofascists, unlike the Euro-Multiculturalists, who are completely ill-equipped to deal with this invasion.

On the negative side, if the Euro-racists win, then I'd expect them to dominate Europe for a long time to come.

While staying out of it myself, if I had to choose one of the two to root for, it would be the Euro-racists. The Euro-racists aren't expansionist or murderous, and they have a greater capacity for reason than the Islamofascists, and that's a lot easier to cope with.

353 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:39:50pm

re: #343 Catttt

I find nothing likable about my unraveling undies.

/Wait..what? Oh.....

354 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:40:01pm
355 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:40:52pm
356 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:40:54pm

re: #352 Live4Truth

The Euro-racists aren't expansionist or murderous

Really?

357 snowcrash  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:41:44pm

re: #349 EC Marm
Thanks, he's looking good.

358 Amillennialist  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:41:53pm

re: #318 Yank in the EU

re: #312 Amillennialist

Unity with the white nationalists and neo-Nazis would mean the death of the anti-jihad cause and decent conservatives in general.

Does that mean that you think I am calling for unity with Nazis?

I am not.

Charles, Gates, Atlas, etc., should be working together against jihad.

Instead of public flame-throwing, which does great damage, go back to the basic disagreement(s), examine the evidence, admit errors, apologize for unnecessary antagonism, and work together to defeat jihad's apologists and their Useful Idiot Dhimmis here and in Europe.

They're intelligent people with good intentions. They can find a way to reconcile without compromising the truth.

359 njdhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:43:01pm

re: #344 Ojoe

re: #339 njdhockeyfan

"Legs should be long enough to reach the ground."

— A. Lincoln

Legs!

360 akak  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:44:49pm

Canada places US, Israel on torture watch list

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

straight from Jihadi Reuters

361 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:44:51pm

re: #352 Live4Truth

The Euro-racists aren't expansionist or murderous, and they have a greater capacity for reason than the Islamofascists, and that's a lot easier to cope with.

I think you may be thinking of them as they are now. When in power, they tend to try to take over the world, murder people in ovens, perform grisly experiments, and overall reach the ultimate heights of evil in the history of time. Plus, for all their evil, they tend to be smart and organized.

362 haakondahl  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:44:54pm

re: #333 Golem Akbar

re: #328 Lizard by the Bay

More interesting today is why so many conservative parties in Europe want to align themselves with what is essentially a rebellious movement within Belgium.

I think you got it. European conservatives are a completely different breed of cat than those in America. They tend to run a little scary, a little more Nazi. American conservatives are probably closer to middle of the roaders elsewhere. Democrats with a little "d."

Let's be clear here: Nazis were leftists. Fascism is another form of totalitarianism. Whether it is the Fascism of Mussolini or Adolf Hitler, or the Communism of Stalin or Mao, it is always a leftist phenomenon. "Nazi" was a foreshortening of "National Socialism", after all, and this is not a coincidence.
The Communists called everything they didn't like "rightist". The Bolsheviks called even the Trotskyites "rightists". But these thin divisions between two groups of Communists do not make any of them rightists in any sense.
Nazis and Islamists will converge before either of them helps the right. The rabidly racist Germans and the rabidly racist Japanese had absolutely no problem signing their pact in blood, and leaving the obvious contradicitons for later. Anything but ally with the right.

363 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:45:03pm

re: #358 Amillennialist

go back to the basic disagreement(s), examine the evidence, admit errors, apologize for unnecessary antagonism, and work together to defeat jihad's apologists and their Useful Idiot Dhimmis here and in Europe

Good luck getting any of them to admit they were wrong, much less any of the other points you mention.

364 ec marm  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:45:40pm

re: #357 snowcrash

Thanks, he's looking good.


Fred, "I'm against global warming!"
lol...

365 Render  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:46:20pm

They're putting the old band back together.

This, (the subject of this thread), is the EU's White racist ITS group minus those pesky Romanians and overly combative Italians.

BNP is nothing more than Stormfront UK.

In the US we work very hard at disrespecting the likes of David Duke and his followers.

Certain overly nuanced Europeans seem to think that Dukes European allies are the only hope for the "White" race.

===

What exactly is it that prevents Europeans from forming anti-Islamofascist political groups that do NOT include neo-nazi's, neo-fascists, White Nationalists, and other racists? Is it that fabled "nuance?"

WORK
TO DO,
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366 Portia  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:46:41pm

Meremortal

The enemy of my enemy is an asshole.

LOL. Perfect.

P.

367 Amillennialist  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:48:17pm

re: #352 Live4Truth

Vlaams Belang Joins with BNP, Other Eurofascists in New Anti-Islam Group

This actually sounds like good news, similar to how it's good news when Fatah and Hamas fight each other, or Saddam's Iraq and Iran fight each other.

. . .

While staying out of it myself, if I had to choose one of the two to root for, it would be the Euro-racists. The Euro-racists aren't expansionist or murderous, and they have a greater capacity for reason than the Islamofascists, and that's a lot easier to cope with.

We've already defeated European Nazis once, and they're socially unacceptable.

Islam we can't even name.

368 jeppo[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:49:03pm
369 snowcrash  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:50:24pm

re: #364 ec marm
Was it the format, the lighting, the time of day or what(?) but Fred is finially giving me confidence to vote for him.

370 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:50:24pm

re: #368 jeppo

So....you don't have a problem with your beloved vlaams belang hooking up with the bnp?

371 guftafs  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:51:22pm

re: #352 Live4Truth

Vlaams Belang Joins with BNP, Other Eurofascists in New Anti-Islam Group

...

While staying out of it myself, if I had to choose one of the two to root for, it would be the Euro-racists. The Euro-racists aren't expansionist or murderous, and they have a greater capacity for reason than the Islamofascists, and that's a lot easier to cope with.

I think it's in the nature of racism that people other than your tribe will be regarded with hostility. Going by the evidence that certainly seems the case. Why else demand separatism? This suggests that the separatists find the presence of foreign elements in too large dosesintolerable, they literally can't stand it. Does that sound rational, sane? How open are they to rational argument? How willing are they to resort to force?

372 jcm  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:51:36pm

re: #358 Amillennialist

The problem is the racist elements have seen the anti-jihadist movement as a opportunity to become mainstream. By associating with them it helps to legitimize racists who have been marginalized for decades.

Allying with racists is simple not an option when the issue at hand is liberty. The goal of the racists is not the defeat of the jihadist, it is to regain power and again establish fascist / nazi power in Europe. They are also the enemies of liberty.

373 Live4Truth  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:51:38pm

re: #356 Sharmuta

re: #352 Live4Truth

The Euro-racists aren't expansionist or murderous

Really?

... as far as I know. My impression is that they want Europe to be all-white, not make the world white. And their method of choice is to stop all immigration of non-whites, and probably to make non-white Europeans feel unwelcome. Pretty ugly, but compared to "convert or die" Muslims who want to convert the world, and couldn't care less about individuals, then ...

374 jcm  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:52:19pm

re: #364 ec marm

re: #357 snowcrash


Thanks, he's looking good.


Fred, "I'm against global warming!"
lol...

I'm for global warming.....
I can't wait for spring.

375 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:52:30pm
376 haakondahl  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:52:38pm

re: #358 Amillennialist

re: #318 Yank in the EU


re: #312 Amillennialist

Unity with the white nationalists and neo-Nazis would mean the death of the anti-jihad cause and decent conservatives in general.


Does that mean that you think I am calling for unity with Nazis?

I am not.

Charles, Gates, Atlas, etc., should be working together against jihad.

Instead of public flame-throwing, which does great damage, go back to the basic disagreement(s), examine the evidence, admit errors, apologize for unnecessary antagonism, and work together to defeat jihad's apologists and their Useful Idiot Dhimmis here and in Europe.

You're ignoring the very important fact that Charles is right, and the rest of these folks have sold their souls, more hatred than justice.

They're intelligent people with good intentions. They can find a way to reconcile without compromising the truth.


Not True! They are either not intelligent enough to recognize the Fascists they are befriending, or not well-intentioned enough to do anything about it. There will be no reconciliation without some serious attitude changes over there. And all they need to do is come out swinging ofr the right side. No apology needed. Just stop being on the wrong damned side.

377 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:53:10pm

re: #326 infidel Alan

So the Huckster used to eat fried squirrel cooked in a popcorn popper in his dorm room. Dumb to talk about it. Presidential all the way.

They're having field day with that quote over at DKos. Not exactly a Dean scream but not his best moment, to be sure.

378 guftafs  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:54:13pm

re: #358 Amillennialist

re: #318 Yank in the EU

re: #312 Amillennialist

...
They're intelligent people with good intentions. They can find a way to reconcile without compromising the truth.

Good thing you're here to tell us what they think?

/shakes head

379 haakondahl  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:54:30pm

re: #368 jeppo

This is a very interesting development. The name "Cities against Islamisation" says it all: Deal with the issue first at the municipal, then at the national and transnational levels.


Sounds familiar indeed:
"First we take Berlin..."

380 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:54:34pm

The Twilight Zone Season 3, Episode 9 - "Deaths-Head Revisited"

Rod Serling closes-out the episode with one of his most moving final narrations, which explicitly, and uncharacteristically, announces the episode's moral in relation to the real world:

"...All the Dachaus must remain standing. The Dachaus, the Belsens, the Buchenwalds, the Auschwitzes—all of them. They must remain standing because they are a monument to a moment in time when some men decided to turn the Earth into a graveyard. Into it they shoveled all of their reason, their logic, their knowledge, but worst of all, their conscience. And the moment we forget this, the moment we cease to be haunted by its remembrance, then we become the gravediggers. Something to dwell on and to remember, not only in the Twilight Zone but wherever men walk God's Earth."

381 ec marm  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:54:58pm

re: #369 snowcrash


Was it the format, the lighting, the time of day or what(?) but Fred is finially giving me confidence to vote for him.


I close my eyes and try to think of our founding fathers listening to Fred. I think they'd nod their heads in approval. I like the fact that he acknowledges the problems that are down the road, instead of just throwing a buzzword "change" at the audience.

382 Live4Truth  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:55:13pm

re: #361 Silhouette

re: #352 Live4Truth

The Euro-racists aren't expansionist or murderous, and they have a greater capacity for reason than the Islamofascists, and that's a lot easier to cope with.

I think you may be thinking of them as they are now. When in power, they tend to try to take over the world, murder people in ovens, perform grisly experiments, and overall reach the ultimate heights of evil in the history of time. Plus, for all their evil, they tend to be smart and organized.

I'd argue that the Nazis were easier to fight than the jihadis are, because at least the Nazis cared about their children, and wanted to live.

You're right, that I based that on present-day Euro-racism. No telling what it might morph in to, once it grows into something larger and more powerful.

383 Amillennialist  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:55:48pm

re: #362 haakondahl

re: #333 Golem Akbar

re: #328 Lizard by the Bay

More interesting today is why so many conservative parties in Europe want to align themselves with what is essentially a rebellious movement within Belgium.


I think you got it. European conservatives are a completely different breed of cat than those in America. They tend to run a little scary, a little more Nazi. American conservatives are probably closer to middle of the roaders elsewhere. Democrats with a little "d."


Nazis and Islamists will converge before either of them helps the right. The rabidly racist Germans and the rabidly racist Japanese had absolutely no problem signing their pact in blood, and leaving the obvious contradicitons for later. Anything but ally with the right.

They've already killed together.

It wasn't "Hitler's Pope" during World War II, it was Hitler's Mufti.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was one of Hitler's allies, even visiting his concentration camps and encouraging the butchers to be more diligent in their work of killing Jews.

384 Catttt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:55:57pm

re: #373 Live4Truth

re: #356 Sharmuta


re: #352 Live4Truth

The Euro-racists aren't expansionist or murderous

Really?

... as far as I know. My impression is that they want Europe to be all-white, not make the world white. And their method of choice is to stop all immigration of non-whites, and probably to make non-white Europeans feel unwelcome. Pretty ugly, but compared to "convert or die" Muslims who want to convert the world, and couldn't care less about individuals, then ...

Trotting out an old saw here - two wrongs don't make a right. Also, tons of "white" people in Europe won't go along with the fascist agenda, which will start another conflict, a la Europe's prior dustups - called world wars.

385 njdhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:55:59pm

Anti-Muslim Sentiment in Europe

...American anti-Jihadis and conservatives often think that they have to join forces with European multiculturalism-critics. This is something they’re right about. They have to be careful, however, about who they join forces with. Charles Johnson has spent significant time and attention to one of the parties in Europe (Belgium: Vlaams Belang, formerly known as Vlaams Blok) that were embraced initially by anti-Jihadis, saying that they’d better not associate with these people, because they’re nothing more than neo-Nazis.

Although Charles is certainly right to say that Americans shouldn’t associate with Vlaams Belang, it seems to me that he and people like him aren’t quite aware of the nature of Geert Wilders. Wilders is still considered acceptable, an ally, but he isn’t conservative, he’s a bigot, and it would be wise for Americans not to join forces with these people... if they do, it’ll be impossible for conservative critics of integration and immigration like myself to work with them, for we wish not to be associated with bigots. Directly or indirectly.

Why do I call Wilders a bigot you ask? Because he is. His freedom isn’t about freedom, it’s about bigotry. The immigration and integration problems are serious and we need to do something. But that ’something’ has already been done. All we need to do now is to hang on to the policy changes; implement them and let time do the rest.

386 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:56:27pm

re: #141 Maximu§

Charles, in 10 years these radical parties mentioned in this thread will be in power, because the present governments have turned their backs on their own citizens.

I'm no fan of these people, but we're looking at the future of Europe.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

Indeed. Immersed in multiculturalism and the residue of the 60s counterculture, the European cultural and governmental establishments do not even have the linguistic and intellectual tools needed to combat the rising tide of Islamism and fascist reaction. The European mainstream cannot tell the truth because doing so would offend someone and violate the governing principles. Worse, they will not allow others to tell the truth without being marginalized as fanatics and racists. In this atmosphere, only the most extreme, those with nothing to lose, are willing to take overt action. It is the weakness and venality of the Weimar Republic all over again.

387 infidel4ever  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:57:03pm

re: #368 jeppo

This is a very interesting development. The name "Cities against Islamisation" says it all: Deal with the issue first at the municipal, then at the national and transnational levels. Europe's Muslim population is overwhelmingly concentrated in urban areas, such as Antwerp. This group's chief goal is a moratorium on the construction of new mosques. Dewinter mentioned the new mega-mosque being built in Rotterdam which will tower over neighbouring Feyenoord football stadium, the Yankee Stadium of Holland. Massive mosques and minarets funded by Persian Gulf oil money are a built to dominate public space in European cities, letting the docile population know in no uncertain terms who their new masters will be.

I hope these "no new mosques" protests spread to other cities across Europe, and soon. Muslim-dominated no-go zones in France already contain 8% of the population of that country, or 5 million "Frenchmen". These zones are ruled by Kosovo-like Islamo-mafiosi, not the French police or government. Good for the VB to get the ball rolling in Antwerp. On to Paris and London and Berlin and Rome and Madrid and...

Exactly. The population of Amsterdam is as of today getting the new Westermoskee rammed down its throat, never mind the financial shenanigans and pure corruption that hangs around that deal. Two million Euro's tax money sunk into the project. Separation of church and state, right. And who is in charge of that mosque? Milli Gürüs. Yeah, let's support the fundamentalists...

388 haakondahl  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:57:55pm

re: #381 ec marm

I close my eyes and try to think of our founding fathers listening to Fred. I think they'd nod their heads in approval.


Yes, I think we all tend to start nodding when Fred speaks.

389 ec marm  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 3:59:58pm

Hillary: "And when I'm elected I'm going to take you away from your mother and father and put you in a really fun village with Uncle Bill, and Sid Vicious, and you can sit on Obama's lap while he reads you stories!"
Little girl: "Okay!"

390 Live4Truth  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:00:00pm

re: #371 guftafs

re: #352 Live4Truth

Vlaams Belang Joins with BNP, Other Eurofascists in New Anti-Islam Group

...

While staying out of it myself, if I had to choose one of the two to root for, it would be the Euro-racists. The Euro-racists aren't expansionist or murderous, and they have a greater capacity for reason than the Islamofascists, and that's a lot easier to cope with.

I think it's in the nature of racism that people other than your tribe will be regarded with hostility. Going by the evidence that certainly seems the case. Why else demand separatism? This suggests that the separatists find the presence of foreign elements in too large dosesintolerable, they literally can't stand it. Does that sound rational, sane? How open are they to rational argument? How willing are they to resort to force?

I agree that they aren't very rational. I was just comparing them to jihadis, who are the antithesis of rationality. At least we had some of the VB supporters join us in this forum, to try to make their case. As far as I know, we've never had any jihadis join up, to try to make the case for their "cause." Again, that doesn't make the Euro-racists rational, just more rational than jihadis, and that's something to work with. My point here is just the "lesser of the evils."

391 godfrey  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:00:08pm

what chaps my hide is that we now have to vet both sides with nearly equal effort

Thanks for nothing you a**hole Nazi mfers

392 Former Belgian  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:00:08pm

I am reminded of an anecdote about Robert Conquest. After he published "The harvest of sorrow" about the man-made famine in the Ukraine, and his book on the Great Terror, every leftist apologist of course shouted him down, accused him of inflating the body counts, etc. etc.

Some time later, the Soviet Bloc collapsed, and all sorts of documents became accessible that showed that Conquest's statistics, if anything, erred on the low side. His publisher decided to issue a new edition, and asked Conquest on the phone if he had a more creative suggestion for a subtitle than "revised and updated edition".

Conquest paused for a moment, then answered: "How about: 'I told you so, you f***ing fools!'"

393 jeppo[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:00:27pm
394 infidel Alan  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:01:38pm

re: #388 haakondahl

re: #381 ec marm

I close my eyes and try to think of our founding fathers listening to Fred. I think they'd nod their heads in approval.


Yes, I think we all tend to start nodding when Fred speaks.

Good one! I like Fred but he's a lousy campaigner and there's no way I'm voting for him.

395 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:02:50pm

re: #382 Live4Truth

Sorry but the euro-racists of the past most certainly have a history of murder and expansionism. No telling what their little off-spring are capable of.

396 Amillennialist  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:03:08pm

re: #372 jcm

re: #358 Amillennialist

The problem is the racist elements have seen the anti-jihadist movement as a opportunity to become mainstream. By associating with them it helps to legitimize racists who have been marginalized for decades.

Allying with racists is simple not an option when the issue at hand is liberty. The goal of the racists is not the defeat of the jihadist, it is to regain power and again establish fascist / nazi power in Europe. They are also the enemies of liberty.

So, the "anti-jihadist movement" is mainstream? That's good news.

Again, I am not calling for unity nor even compromise with any racists, if that is what you are implying.

Hmmm. A person wants major participants in the ideological war against Islam to reconcile and work together, and receives in reply two posts trying to explain how Nazis are bad.

What an odd false dichotomy.

397 njdhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:03:19pm

LGF is getting some support from Metrosexual Libertarian...

I have to give LGF credit, the blog is consistent

While his friend Pamela at Atlas Shrugs continues to think that as long as a group is against Islamism, we really shouldn't be too concerned with their past ties to Fascism and revolting anti-Semitism, and therefore makes it clear she's nothing but a whore. Charles Johnson, someone with whom I share probably very little in common (with the exception being my skepticism about the dangers of global warming) politically has been strongly against groups like Vlaams Belang, the British National Party, and other right wing fascist groups in Europe who hope to achieve some form of legitimacy by being against Islamism in general.

Well today the Vlaams Belang formed a group with the BNP calling themselves Cities Against Islamisation, whatever the fuck that means. You know if you asked Mayor Meeker of Raleigh, NC I'm sure he'd say he's against the setting up of an Islamic Caliphate in the capital of North Carolina, so giving themselves this name is really fucking stupid.

Now the question is, why would anybody join a group involving a political party run by Nick Griffin, a notorious racist and holocaust denier? And how do the defenders of the Vlaams Belang wish to respond now that their group is openly active with one of the most disgusting European political parties in existence?

And how does Ms. Pamela of Atlas Shrugs feel about her beloved fighters against jihad joining with a party which would have all its members imprisoned if they were in Austria or Germany?

398 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:03:24pm

re: #393 jeppo

So if the nazis protest the mosques- you're all for it?

399 godfrey  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:04:24pm

re: #386 Shiplord Kirel

shit shit shit I fear you're right

400 haakondahl  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:04:41pm

Alright, I gotta go. For the VB apologists and sympathizers here on this thread: I sincerely hope that you recognize the evil sitting next to you. Come back to the right. We need good people, but not if you're whored out to the Nazis.
There is a war coming, and I will be on the right side. I won't be on the side of the Islamist Fascists, and I won't be on the side of the Nazi Fascists. They have too much in common.

401 Mich-again  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:04:43pm

John Edwards trashing Ronald Reagan in a speech on C-Span right now. According to Edwards, Reagan destroyed America. Nice theme Breck Girl. Blame Ronald Reagan.

402 Amillennialist  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:05:46pm

re: #363 Sharmuta

re: #358 Amillennialist

go back to the basic disagreement(s), examine the evidence, admit errors, apologize for unnecessary antagonism, and work together to defeat jihad's apologists and their Useful Idiot Dhimmis here and in Europe

Good luck getting any of them to admit they were wrong, much less any of the other points you mention.

I can't afford not to dream.

The consequences of Islam's victory are too dire for all I hold dear.

403 guftafs  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:05:51pm

re: #390 Live4Truth

re: #371 guftafs

re: #352 Live4Truth

I agree that they aren't very rational. I was just comparing them to jihadis, who are the antithesis of rationality. At least we had some of the VB supporters join us in this forum, to try to make their case. As far as I know, we've never had any jihadis join up, to try to make the case for their "cause." Again, that doesn't make the Euro-racists rational, just more rational than jihadis, and that's something to work with. My point here is just the "lesser of the evils."

Countering your last sentence: "Why choose any evil?" The reasons for not supporting parties like the VB, BNP have been thoroughly examined here. Do a site search for "vlaams belang".

404 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:06:17pm
405 wanumba  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:07:04pm

The Euro fascists of the 1940s had no qualms about killing any American they could get in their sights.
European fascists allying themselves across national borders with each other is no comfort in any way to Americans.

406 ec marm  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:07:19pm

re: #401 Mich-again
It's an attack on Obama, too. Maybe he's gonna do Hillary's heavy lifting for a while in hopes of the V-P slot.

407 Live4Truth  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:07:29pm

re: #395 Sharmuta

re: #382 Live4Truth

Sorry but the euro-racists of the past most certainly have a history of murder and expansionism. No telling what their little off-spring are capable of.

Agreed. But in a war between jihadis and neo-nazis, if you had to choose one of the two to win, which would it be? Or, maybe we should do a Saddam vs. Iran trick and support the weaker one, so that they can beat the tar out of each other?

408 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:07:40pm
409 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:07:44pm

re: #388 haakondahl

re: #381 ec marm

I close my eyes and try to think of our founding fathers listening to Fred. I think they'd nod their heads in approval.


Yes, I think we all tend to start nodding when Fred speaks.

mark levin interviewed his wife yesterday. she's very bright and i was impressed w/ her down to earth personality.

410 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:09:06pm

re: #402 Amillennialist

Okay- I won't stop you from trying to get gov, bj and friends to admit they were wrong, and apologize to Charles for the antagonism, but I do think you're going to need this.

411 snowcrash  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:09:18pm

re: #394 infidel Alan
He is a terrible campaigner but for some reason he has spark in S.C.

412 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:09:53pm

re: #407 Live4Truth

I choose neither. Is that an option?! No fascists in my foxhole! Thank you.

413 Live4Truth  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:10:50pm

re: #403 guftafs

re: #390 Live4Truth

re: #371 guftafs

re: #352 Live4Truth

I agree that they aren't very rational. I was just comparing them to jihadis, who are the antithesis of rationality. At least we had some of the VB supporters join us in this forum, to try to make their case. As far as I know, we've never had any jihadis join up, to try to make the case for their "cause." Again, that doesn't make the Euro-racists rational, just more rational than jihadis, and that's something to work with. My point here is just the "lesser of the evils."

Countering your last sentence: "Why choose any evil?" The reasons for not supporting parties like the VB, BNP have been thoroughly examined here. Do a site search for "vlaams belang".

Guftafs, I'm not supporting either of them. In my first post here, I was comparing this to a fight between Fatah and Hamas, and trying to decide which one I'd prefer to win.

414 jeppo[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:11:15pm
415 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:11:36pm

If anybody thinks the extreme right racists can pose a serious opposition to the Islamofascists, they are seriously mistaken. The real problem with European white racists co-opting the anti-Islamist fight is that it will de-legitimize that fight in the eyes of the moderate liberal democratic middle of the European polity. The average European will more likely join the Islamists in putting down the neo-nazis. In the end, the Islamists win.

Just as the far left has co-opted the US Democratic party, the neo-nazis like Vlaams Belang and the BNP are attempting to do the same thing to "conservative" parties in Europe. And, they are also trying it in America with their favourite candidate for the Republican Party: Ron Paul.

416 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:11:46pm

re: #412 Sharmuta

Wait a minute, I thought this was supposed to be a penis thread?

/sorry

417 Render  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:11:51pm

re: #407 Live4Truth

We don't have to choose or accept either of those two options. Nor will we, ever.

GOT
IT?,
R

418 Live4Truth  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:12:44pm

re: #412 Sharmuta

re: #407 Live4Truth

I choose neither. Is that an option?! No fascists in my foxhole! Thank you.

I hope it is an option. And I didn't/don't want them in my foxhole either. But since it looks like they're going to duke it out, I was just trying to decide which of the two I'd prefer to win.

419 ec marm  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:12:47pm

John Edwards:
health care
mental health care
dental care
Free!*


* Just vote for him, you can read the fine print later

420 Amillennialist  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:12:49pm

re: #376 haakondahl

re: #358 Amillennialist

re: #318 Yank in the EU


re: #312 AmillennialistUnity with the white nationalists and neo-Nazis would mean the death of the anti-jihad cause and decent conservatives in general.


Does that mean that you think I am calling for unity with Nazis?I am not.

Charles, Gates, Atlas, etc., should be working together against jihad.

Instead of public flame-throwing, which does great damage, go back to the basic disagreement(s), examine the evidence, admit errors, apologize for unnecessary antagonism, and work together to defeat jihad's apologists and their Useful Idiot Dhimmis here and in Europe.

You're ignoring the very important fact that Charles is right, and the rest of these folks have sold their souls, more hatred than justice.

They're intelligent people with good intentions. They can find a way to reconcile without compromising the truth.


Not True! They are either not intelligent enough to recognize the Fascists they are befriending, or not well-intentioned enough to do anything about it. There will be no reconciliation without some serious attitude changes over there. And all they need to do is come out swinging ofr the right side. No apology needed. Just stop being on the wrong damned side.

An ad hominem attack and a false dichotomy. The intelligent can err. So can the well-intentioned. And being sure of one's position (even when wrong) does not make one Faust.

Emotional rhetoric will do nothing to aid our effort against Islam.

421 infidel4ever  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:13:07pm

re: #412 Sharmuta

re: #407 Live4Truth

I choose neither. Is that an option?! No fascists in my foxhole! Thank you.

But are you going to waste your time and energy fighting them while both of you have the same goal: defeating islam?

422 snowcrash  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:13:44pm

re: #419 ec marm
Couldn't take it a minute more. T.V. off!

423 guftafs  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:14:09pm

re: #413 Live4Truth

Guftafs, I'm not supporting either of them. In my first post here, I was comparing this to a fight between Fatah and Hamas, and trying to decide which one I'd prefer to win.

If it's all the same you shouldn't have any problems with someone not supporting them. (Careful now, or you'll get entangled in your previous statements ...)

424 jcm  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:14:24pm

re: #396 Amillennialist

That's well and good. Reconcile...
BUT DON'T BRING the [Deleted] Nazis with. Them.

With VB, BNP, et. al. it's not about fighting Islam. That's just the words they mouth because it's convenient. It's about them regain power.

In a larger context we are fighting for western civilization and liberty. Against ALL ENEMIES. We have a hard enough time getting the west to recognize the threat of the jihadist.

We are already labeled "racist" "islamophobe" etc... by the left. Why give them more ammo?

Allying with the racist groups of Europe is counter productive in the short term. It damages our ability to wage the war on the home front. In the long term it is counterproductive because after the jihadist wars are won, we have to purge the fascist and nazi elements to restore liberty.

It up to GoV and others to recognize this.

425 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:15:11pm
426 jcm  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:15:19pm

re: #416 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #412 Sharmuta

Wait a minute, I thought this was supposed to be a penis thread?

/sorry

Okay...
John Edwards is a dick.

427 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:15:49pm

re: #414 jeppo

re: #398 Sharmuta

re: #393 jeppo

So if the nazis protest the mosques- you're all for it?

No, but I support democratic politicians like Dewinter who seem to be abiding by the wishes of the VB's 800,000 voters: Stop the Islamization of Antwerp etc. NOW.

You do realize the nazis were elected too. They might have even listened to their electorate.......

428 Render  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:16:14pm

re: #414 Kewpie

Who elected DeWinter/VanHecke to the leadership of VB, and when did this happen?

Who elected Nick Griffin leader of BNP? And when has BNP ever held internal elections?

WHAT
DEMOCRACY?,
R

429 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:16:29pm

re: #382 Live4Truth

re: #361 Silhouette


re: #352 Live4Truth

The Euro-racists aren't expansionist or murderous, and they have a greater capacity for reason than the Islamofascists, and that's a lot easier to cope with.

I think you may be thinking of them as they are now. When in power, they tend to try to take over the world, murder people in ovens, perform grisly experiments, and overall reach the ultimate heights of evil in the history of time. Plus, for all their evil, they tend to be smart and organized.

I'd argue that the Nazis were easier to fight than the jihadis are, because at least the Nazis cared about their children, and wanted to live.

You're right, that I based that on present-day Euro-racism. No telling what it might morph in to, once it grows into something larger and more powerful.

The fight seems much closer to the Japanese in WWII.

430 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:16:56pm