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Video: Young, Nazi, and Proud

Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 4:42:21 pm PST

Speaking of the British National Party, here’s an episode of the UK TV show Dispatches, on exactly that subject. Some Americans probably aren’t too familiar with this white power group and their neo-Nazi base; this is a good way to learn what they’re really about: Young Nazi and Proud.

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1 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:44:20pm

I watched this earlier. Well worth the time.

2 HugoChavez  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:44:46pm

Stop pointing out my plans, Charles!

3 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:46:55pm

Boy- they always look so clean cut in their suits. But once they open their mouths you discover how filthy they are.

4 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:47:56pm

Young fools lusting for power.

5 veprii  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:49:17pm

I hate how nazis are always labeled as"The far RIGHT".

6 nolocon  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:50:24pm

re: #4 experiencedtraveller

Young fools lusting for power.


Young fools having no moral center.

7 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:50:37pm

The ending is classic

8 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:51:20pm

re: #5 veprii

I hate how nazis are always labeled as"The far RIGHT".

All the way back around to the left.

9 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:52:51pm
10 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:53:03pm

So, "Asians" is code for Muslims. Why not just say "Muslims"?

11 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:53:10pm

These opportunists make me sick.

12 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:53:47pm

I get it. Because they're against not just Muslims but, against ALL non-whites.

13 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:54:52pm

re: #10 MandyManners

So, "Asians" is code for Muslims. Why not just say "Muslims"?

It's also a British thing.

14 threecoloursblue  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:55:18pm

re: #10 MandyManners

Because they also hate Hindus, Seikhs Buddhists. They're called Paki-bashers... and everyone from the Sub-continent is a " paki " They also hate Jews, West Indians, Irish .....

15 Alouette  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:55:29pm

re: #4 experiencedtraveller

Young fools lusting for power.

16 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:55:46pm
17 avideditorla.com[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:56:42pm
18 threecoloursblue  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:57:14pm

re: #10 MandyManners

Sorry.. I forgot Catholics. They hate Catholics too.

19 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:57:17pm

He was keen to be filmed working out....creepy.

20 The Other Les  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:57:19pm

Oh look! Targets!

/sarcasm

21 Canadian Guy  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 4:59:23pm

Good pick, Charles.

I saw this earlier in the spinoff links and clicked on it and could not stop watching it.

22 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:00:11pm
23 BulgarWheat  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:00:55pm

ah crap, not yet again.

Europe is either going to be lost to islamofacism or good old fashion European fascism.

Were up to me I'd tell 'em all to fuck off. We're tired of wasting our lad's and capital rescuing their sorry asses.

24 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:01:02pm

re: #17 avideditorla.com

don't forget to also watch the BPN exposed. It was shown on BBC 1 [Link: djkonservo.wordpress.com...]

I've also submitted that link to the spinoffs. I don't know why the embedded video doesn't link to the main Google site.

25 Globular Cluster  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:05:06pm

The video shows clearly why European ethnic white supremacists like Vlaams, Fjordman, Gates, etc had us fooled for so long and why some, like Atlas, are still fooled. They are young, charismatic, seemingly-decent... until you delve below the surface and the insanity emerges. If you haven't seen the video and only read blogs, you will not have a clear picture of what these people really are like.

26 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:06:53pm

I wonder what would have happened if they realized the reporter was a Jew all along. How funny they considered him as a close member.

27 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:07:03pm
28 beachkatie  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:07:20pm

This shows if you don't educate your self what can happen to your brain..

29 ecor1  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:08:42pm

asians is not the code for moslem. its a nonexclusive english term which is used to describe anyone from south west asia. what do they call japanese? asians or japanese.

If I substitued black for white in every sentence that is spoken, wouldnt I get obama's church or jesse jackson?

( i have heard a few sermons)

and if I can morph the political acceptance by changing one word, doesnt it prove the point of the BNP? and make JJ and obama's church message just as bad?

30 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:09:33pm

"The similarities in the nose"...
If this nazi scum knew he is being compared to a Jew, he'd go naz.

31 loflyer  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:12:12pm

Interesting, I had to skip through some parts, my attention span is too short. The last 10 minutes was extremely interesting. BNP does have the traits of a cult, along with Ron Paul supporters.

32 marwan's daughter  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:12:36pm

re: #24 konservo

re: #17 avideditorla.com

don't forget to also watch the BPN exposed. It was shown on BBC 1 [Link: djkonservo.wordpress.com...]

I've also submitted that link to the spinoffs. I don't know why the embedded video doesn't link to the main Google site.

Thanks for putting that up. I'm watching it right now and some of the s*** spewed by Nick Griffin and other BNP members are no different from the s*** spewed by preachers in the Undercover Mosque documentary. Like I said, it will be fascist vs. fascist if civil war breaks out.

33 guftafs  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:13:33pm

re: #10 MandyManners

So, "Asians" is code for Muslims. Why not just say "Muslims"?

Good point. It's PC speech, but I thought it referred to Pakistanis only. Very confusing at first because "Asian" is very broad.

But since Muslims are the ones who most easily do "things they really shouldn't have done", and a whole lot of the Pakistanis are Muslims, perhaps that's how I thought "Asians" meant "Pakistanis" ...

/ still confused

34 Globular Cluster  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:14:27pm

re: #19 Sharmuta

He was keen to be filmed working out....creepy.

It is strange how these Nazi types are so motivated by personal insecurities and fear. It was true of Hitler as well. They react to a low self image by lashing out with ruthless false confidence and a singular ideology of destruction.

35 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:14:28pm

These little bastards remind me of the Wall.

Would you like to see Britannia
Rule again, my friend?
All you have to do is follow the worms.
Would you like to send our colored cousins
Home again, my friend?
All you need to do is follow the worms.

Worms indeed.

36 stevieray  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:17:04pm

OT -- The new standard to judge Obama by:

UltraBlack™

Reached by phone, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson had no comments; however gleeful cackling was heard in the background.

/please note: I am being snarky here.

37 marwan's daughter  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:18:46pm

re: #35 Lizard by the Bay

These little bastards remind me of the Wall.

Would you like to see Britannia
Rule again, my friend?
All you have to do is follow the worms.
Would you like to send our colored cousins
Home again, my friend?
All you need to do is follow the worms.

Worms indeed.

I've seen the movie version many times, and the scenes when Pink (Geldof's character) shaves all his hair off and becomes a fascist leader really creep me out.

38 Dom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:22:21pm

(On 31 minutes you'll notice Griffin wearing a stylised Odin's Cross t-shirt)

39 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:25:37pm

re: #32 marwan's daughter

Yup. They're all working with a mentality of hatred and extremism.

40 Dr. Manhattan  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:26:30pm

His ignorance was pretty profound. Man, f*** Nazi scum.

41 mdaspinall  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:29:57pm

Unfortunately the fears on which the Fascists preyed in the video, are evident all over Britain and every White family I know and every working man across every building site in Britain I have ever met. They may not agree with the BNP and not vote for them but their opinions are as one.
This is the truth, the only difference being in the ways to confront the fears. Sadly more and more whites will turn to the BNP as a last resort as the main Party politicians seem to totally disregard the majority feelings on any issue whatsoever. By the way I have only ever seen 1 Muslim (an engineer for Shepherds) on any construction site whatsoever in 22 years - tells you something (or does it ?). Do a straw poll maybe ? Maybe we are all racist - who knows ? although by contrast the Sikhs do very well and are much respected, even though the majority still dislike them. They gained this respect due to sheer endeavour in the concrete pouring gangs at which they excel..

42 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:32:20pm
43 wanumba  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:38:42pm

re: #41 mdaspinall
although by contrast the Sikhs do very well and are much respected, even though the majority still dislike them. They gained this respect due to sheer endeavour in the concrete pouring gangs at which they excel..
Concrete pouring gangs ... at which they excel? Most Sikhs around here are business owners or uh, *ahem* military ...

Hmmm.

44 Dom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:39:46pm

re: #41 mdaspinall

By the way I have only ever seen 1 Muslim (an engineer for Shepherds) on any construction site whatsoever in 22 years - tells you something (or does it ?).


No.

45 Orde  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:49:46pm

re: #29 ecor1
So I wasn't the only one thinking Obama's church while watching this video. (I had visited Obama's church's website yesterday, read the whole thing; striking similarities.)

46 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:58:21pm
47 FrogMarch  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 5:59:52pm

Interesting. In America - white-supremacists have been relegated to the laugher-bin. This film makes it clear that white-supremacy is on the rise in Brittan. It's too bad because fighting radical Islam is important.
Ironically - the Islamists and the white supremacists both hate the Jews.

Watching that reminded me of an old acquaintance -- a gay male who detests Jews yet is a total socialist and will more than likely vote for Hillary.

It's a strange world out there.

48 ecor1  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:04:53pm

re: #45 Orde

or take the fellow in the movie and replace him with the nation of islam and their beliefs. at least there is internal consistantcy. everbody questions the jews, but at least I didnt see the bnp guy say he hated them, just that they looked different. ( maybe I missed it)

of course next time around he will be convinced of their sneakiness.

by the way, the economic practices of governments of islamic countries : no non muslims can have these jobs etc is termed

"affirmative action" by their governments.
no one says they are racist. no one hates them. no one puts these groups on tv and chants in the street.

1984 or what


it seems to me that when you are racist by religion its just multicultural. if you are racist and non white, its just tribal multiculturalism. As ayaan hirsi says, racism is a natural human tendency, to like and feel safer in ones own self identified group. its when you do something to hurt others not in your group that it becomes "racism"

49 Dom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:07:01pm

re: #17 avideditorla.com

don't forget to also watch the BPN exposed. It was shown on BBC 1 [Link: djkonservo.wordpress.com...]

re: #24 konservo

I've also submitted that link to the spinoffs. I don't know why the embedded video doesn't link to the main Google site.


Here's the link from Google Video:

I'll add it to the spinoff links.

50 Dom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:08:26pm

Oops, no need. Nice one konservo!

51 maddogg  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:09:51pm

The fact is that these extreme groups are a creation of the policies of the British Government. Its probably already too late to defuse the coming explosion, the die is cast. The same thing can happen here, as can be seen by the rise of the militias during the Clinton administration, now waning due to a change in political atmosphere. These groups form because the people are angry and afraid, and I'm afraid they have good reason to feel that way.

/not excusing them, just trying to figure them out.

52 Orde  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:10:25pm

re: #48 ecor1
I don't really understand what you are saying, but would you agree that Obama's church's focus on race is disturbing or do you think that's o.k?

53 Dom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:14:00pm

maddogg,

If you're suggesting that Islamic terrorism or the government's response is driving people to a White Power ideology, you're wrong. The NF and BNP have been around a lot longer than that, and if they successfully exploit the issues of immigration and terrorism it is because the government rejects a White Power ideology.

54 Orde  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:15:57pm

Almost 30 minutes into it, it comes out the narrator's name is "David," heh, Mark still hasn't put 2 and 2 together to realize he's Jewish. ... Oh, there it is, the celtic cross odin's cross.

55 ecor1  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:22:11pm

re: #52 Orde

what i am saying is that there is similarity between the nation of islam, obama's church, islamic governments, african tribes and the BNP. I do agree there is disturbing similariities about obamas church and its world view, especially as espoused by barack's wife on 60 minutes. and all of it is totally un American. its supposed to be a melting pot, not a collection of pots.

it would be nice if there was a non bnp force in england that could enlighten the government to the heartfelt problems that cause the bnp 's existence.

by the way some other poster suggested that there werent any islamic asian concrete engineers on the job excpt for one in 21 years, and that might be racism. well, not all professions have equal social , racial, and economic backgrounds and that certainly is not a racial call out. is the NBA racist?

56 Dom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:28:52pm

re: #55 ecor1

re: #52 Orde
it would be nice if there was a non bnp force in england that could enlighten the government to the heartfelt problems that cause the bnp 's existence.

Pleased to reassure you that Britain at large is very aware of the issue of jihad and Islamisation but obviously it isn't right for the public or government to simulate a BNP-style response, thugs in the streets and a ban on immigration, for the sake of a few more votes. I don't think people are driven to the BNP, they are invited and charmed into it. These videos make that clear.

57 Frank_Mtl  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:28:57pm

The end part was great to watch.

58 Orde  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:29:25pm

"traitors" (where have we heard that before, Lionheart?), "race traitors," "you've betrayed me"...

59 maddogg  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:30:01pm

re: #53 Dom

maddogg,

If you're suggesting that Islamic terrorism or the government's response is driving people to a White Power ideology, you're wrong. The NF and BNP have been around a lot longer than that, and if they successfully exploit the issues of immigration and terrorism it is because the government rejects a White Power ideology.

So, the government's response is not driving people to these groups, yet these groups exploit the government response to gain new members and influence.
The NFand BNP have been around a long time, so what? And why are they growing in size, power, an influence? Is this recent, or have these groups always been gaining?

Its hard or me to see White Power Ideology as traditional British outlook , unless there is a reason.

So, if I'm so far off base, why are these groups on the ascent, if Immigration policies and Islamic terrorism have nothing to do with it.

60 Dom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:30:05pm

It is very similar to suggesting that jihadis are left no choice by the west, which is BS. Jihadis are blitzed with agitprop and carefully groomed.

61 McNug  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:31:00pm

I am increasingly having a great deal of trouble giving a shit about what happens in Europe anymore. As far as I'm concerned Europe is just a giant ant farm filled with human-sized ants: mildly interesting to observe but not worth making any sacrificies for or shedding any tears over.

62 Dom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:32:00pm

re: #59 maddogg

Obviously there is an opportunity for them to exploit the jihad issue and that helps them, but they are not particularly ascendent. Here's how they see it: [Link: www.bnp.org.uk...]

63 Dom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:32:41pm

See also my #56.

64 Uncle_Meat  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:34:01pm

I haven't seen it, nor have I read any posts, but I have to say that anytime you would like to "learn what they're really about", you should first learn from whom you are learning.

65 Dom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:34:13pm

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Here's how they fare.

66 Orde  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:38:51pm

re: #55 ecor1
I'm sorry, I'm still not following you. Your comment obfuscates the difference between one-race groups that unite because of skin color and disproportionately one-race groups that unite, not because of an exclusionary mindset, but because of non-color based commonalities (say skill and enjoyment of basketball). The difference is clear to me--one is racism, one is not.

67 Abu lahab  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:40:10pm

Worth watching. The guy seriously wished his kids would grow up in 1930 Germany - that was something.
He said the most typical sick rant about Jewish people: "it's not persecution" "Jewish gave Germans a whipping!" "No smoke without fire" ...etc " (sick)
But they are pro-Israel, you know?
This is so UGLY and DISGUSTING. A younger British version of David Duke.
Thank you Charles for enlightening everyone on this.

68 jdm  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:40:24pm

re #53, when the government (& the media) in the UK say things like this, it's really hard for me to see that maddog (#51) is all that far wrong.

69 Dom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:46:30pm

So let Jacqui Smith say that. It has little bearing on the BNP and the very suggestion that the BNP are the more credible option, or a more credible vote-winner, for combatting Islamic jihad is anathema to the vast majority of people. When GWB gives the Saudis a bunch of shiny new weapons do you guys or your neighbours start screaming for a David Duke? No, don't be stupid.

70 maddogg  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:49:12pm

re: #69 Dom

It has little bearing on the BNP

Really? I think this kind of thing is exactly what makes people think maybe the governent doesn't have their best interests at heart. It would certainly piss me off.

71 Catttt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:54:00pm

That was different from what I thought it would be, mainly because the reporter developed a relationship to where the subject liked and trusted him.

It was gut-wrenching. The subject, at his core, held racist beliefs - that people are somehow inferior - or superior - purely by virtue of their race/genetic background.

Though I'm glad the subject quit the party, I don't think he quit being totally messed up. Also, I see his core beliefs not as "pro-Brit" or "pro-white" but as anti-The Other. Basic point of view: If The Other is seen as less, I will see myself as more.

72 Dom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:55:36pm

Well, that's what pisses you off.

The problem with racists like the BNP isn't that they distinguish, it is that like Jacqui Smith or your good self, they don't distinguish enough. Why talk of jihadis when you can talk of Muslims? Robert Mugabe when you can talk of blacks? Jacqui Smith when you can talk of government? Jacqui Smith when you can talk of Britain? The BNP when you can talk of Britain? The Irgun when you can talk of Jews? It's rampant here, there and everywhere. It's a sign of weak intellect, laziness or manipulation. Non-Americans wouldn't last long on LGF if we did that to you.

It's nearly 3am here. Bed time.

73 Dom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:55:56pm

#72 is @ maddogg

74 jdm  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:56:30pm

OK, Dom, then I guess this whole hullabaloo about the BNP, and perhaps the other Euro Nazi wannabes is all just a bit of silly worrying by this site's host. No problems, nobody likes the BNP, no one votes for them, and the hour it would've taken to watch that whole piece would be wasted.

Or what?

75 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:59:00pm

re: #71 Catttt

Catttt,

While he is no longer the chair of the Young BNP, now Mark Collet is the party's head of publicity and he put's out the BNP's monthly magazine Identity.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

76 Dom  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 6:59:06pm

re: #74 jdm

If that's how you want to interpret those facts, by all means. Personally I don't think the BNP are irrelevant, especially if they have been cropping up on LGF and related blogs trying to steer the subject. 'Night.

77 FrogMarch  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 7:01:49pm

re: #25 Globular Cluster

The video shows clearly why European ethnic white supremacists like Vlaams, Fjordman, Gates, etc had us fooled for so long and why some, like Atlas, are still fooled. They are young, charismatic, seemingly-decent... until you delve below the surface and the insanity emerges. If you haven't seen the video and only read blogs, you will not have a clear picture of what these people really are like.

Indeed. Just watching that entire video explains what you are saying.
It starts out mild and slowly the bizarre and creepy world of white-supremacy is revealed.

78 Catttt  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 7:02:34pm

re: #75 konservo

re: #71 Catttt

Catttt,

While he is no longer the chair of the Young BNP, now Mark Collet is the party's head of publicity and he put's out the BNP's monthly magazine Identity.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Ahhh. OK. Not surprising.

He's a messed up dude. I have a nasty feeling the majority in the BNP are messed up dudes.

79 maddogg  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 7:16:20pm

re: #72 Dom


It's a sign of weak intellect, laziness or manipulation.

Thats just bullshit Dom. It isn't a sign of intelligence to parse about Jihadists being separate from Islam, they aren't . And that ain't racism, .
Your other examples do nothing except cloud the issue. The Muslims are setting up no-go zones in Britian, and elsewhere. They intend to bend the rest of you to their views, or else.

By your reasoning, Chamberlain was of vigorous intellect, while Churchill was a weak intellect. He called the enemy the Hun, and he included all of their collaborators and sympathizers.

From what I see, you cannot separate Islam from terrorism, and as long as the British government plays games with terminology, and refuses to see what is and will continue to fuel these "nationalist" groups, its just going to get worse.

80 Pax Britannica  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 7:33:43pm

Shamefully, these white supremacists are aided by the government and the liberal media such as the BBC, who are reluctant to use the word Muslim in connection with either terrorism or crime. The BBC prefers to use the term Asian, which has much more racial overtones, whereas absurdly, the government calls terrorism in the name of Islam, 'anti-Islamic activity'. This absurd doublespeak is leading us to disaster, and I'm afraid all the main political parties are at it, which is why the BNP are able to capitalise.

81 konservo  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 8:20:22pm
re: #78 Catttt

He's a messed up dude. I have a nasty feeling the majority in the BNP are messed up dudes.

Yeah. If you haven't yet seen "The BNP Exposed," I recommend it. It's about an hour, but it's informative. It shows more behind the scenes of the BNP.

82 yochanan  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 8:26:53pm

i would say we are only one generation behind the u.k. on this problem.

jews should get out of euroland.

83 ballantrae  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 8:28:04pm

Really is sad. Real waste.

-ron

84 cookielady  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 9:25:04pm

Hatred is the natural condition of the unregenerate human heart. Jew-hatred is the natural condition of the anti-Christ spirit that is alive and robust and working in the world today... all other hatreds are secondary to that one, because Stan hates the Jews the most--followed by every other human being, as we are all loved by G*d.

Thank G*d for His love in a world full of hate!

85 Winston Y. Smith  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 9:27:57pm

Hieretical.

Can someone of the fellow jews on this list calling him names explain to me how his desire to have his country to his people differs from a pretty common our desire(shared even by many lefties) to have an israel as a jewish homeland? Or from tibetians' desire to have tibet to themselves. He might not have the most pleasant manners, but I found him frankly to be a pretty mild chap. Nowhere close, for example, to polish or russian nazies or our favorite RoPies.

86 Globular Cluster  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 9:45:07pm

re: #85 Winston Y. Smith

Hieretical.

Can someone of the fellow jews on this list calling him names explain to me how his desire to have his country to his people differs from a pretty common our desire(shared even by many lefties) to have an israel as a jewish homeland? Or from tibetians' desire to have tibet to themselves. He might not have the most pleasant manners, but I found him frankly to be a pretty mild chap. Nowhere close, for example, to polish or russian nazies or our favorite RoPies.

Yes, Israel is a Jewish state, but it also has 1 million Arab citizens, some of whom are Knesset members, many in the army. They have full benefits and the same rights as Jews. There are also thousands of Christians and other religions. There are very few Jews who seek to ethnically cleanse Israel of these people or reduce their status as citizens. It is not commonly known, for example, that Israelis sympathized with the plight of the Vietnamese boat people, and as a result their is a sizable Vietnamese population in Israel.

87 Winston Y. Smith  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 9:52:14pm

re: #86 Globular Cluster

I understand that. But how about welcoming aproaching arab (or vietnamese, or whatever) majority in Israel? Right of return anyone? Or welcoming Tibet becoming ethnically chineese?

88 Globular Cluster  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 10:03:09pm

re: #87 Winston Y. Smith

re: #86 Globular Cluster

I understand that. But how about welcoming aproaching arab (or vietnamese, or whatever) majority in Israel? Right of return anyone? Or welcoming Tibet becoming ethnically chineese?

True, Israel would not want the country to be majority non-Jewish. But there is a difference between "majority Jewish" and "only for Jews". Ultimately, the goal of a Jewish State is to permit a haven for Jews where they can implement the religion and experience to craft a just society in which Jewish culture will never risk hindrance or destruction. Beyond that, it would be anathema to Jewish law and belief to persecute/cleanse minorities. Israel is not about Jewish supremacism or exclusivity -- it is about Jewish protection and celebration.

The concern about Muslim proliferation in Europe that is justly expressed here is not one of otherness, religion, or race. It is one of behavior. Had the Muslim population not generated terrorism and unrest, there would be no issue. But because that specific community is a demonstrable threat at this time to physical security, one is right to be concerned about Muslim demographics in Europe.

The BNP and similar groups are different. They simply dislike the Other and want to eliminate it entirely. As the documentary demonstrates, they dislike Asians, Pakis, Jews, Blacks, etc. Big difference.

89 PayBackTime  Thu, Jan 17, 2008 11:37:33pm

Why the pretense of "National"?

It's the "British NAZI Party".

90 konservo  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 1:04:47am
re: #85 Winston Y. Smith

He might not have the most pleasant manners, but I found him frankly to be a pretty mild chap.

Are you kidding me?

Some of the words of Mark Collett

ON WINSTON CHURCHILL “Churchill was a f****** c*** who led us into a pointless war with other whites standing up for their race.”

ON THE PRINCE OF WALES “He’s a f****** traitor. Did you hear him say we needed more mosques in this country? All Muslims are anti-British terrorists.”

ON WHETHER BRITISH-BORN BLACKS ARE BRITISH “Just because a dog is brought up in a stable doesn’t make him a horse.”

ON THE ROYAL FAMILY “The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.”

ON AIDS A “friendly disease because blacks, drug users and gays have it.”

ON JEWS “There’s not a European country the Jews haven’t been thrown out of. When it happens that many times, it’s not just persecution. There’s no smoke without fire.”

ON ADOLF HITLER “Hitler will live forever; and maybe I will.”

A mild chap? WTF?

91 laZardo  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 4:55:23am

Wow. Not hard to imagine Mark growing up to be Adam Susan. Nice vid, Charles, good on ya.

92 Winston Y. Smith  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 5:39:49am

re: #90 konservo

With Muhammed being effetively the most common name given to newborns in UK now, and islam radicalized most in UK compared to the rest of europe, its just a matter of time, before some sort of nationalist/patriots come to power. Either native or RoPie. It would better be Nick, Mark and their fellows with their restrain and ability to reason and look at other people arguments, than UK notoriuos drunk soccer hooligans with neither or vicious jihadist types.

93 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 5:57:39am

re: #92 Winston Y. Smith

nationalist/patriots?

I'm sorry but we don't need to soil a perfectly good word like "Patriot".
Please - no stupid lumping. Thanks.

94 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 6:01:45am

re: #88 Globular Cluster

The concern about Muslim proliferation in Europe that is justly expressed here is not one of otherness, religion, or race. It is one of behavior. Had the Muslim population not generated terrorism and unrest, there would be no issue. But because that specific community is a demonstrable threat at this time to physical security, one is right to be concerned about Muslim demographics in Europe.

The BNP and similar groups are different. They simply dislike the Other and want to eliminate it entirely. As the documentary demonstrates, they dislike Asians, Pakis, Jews, Blacks, etc. Big difference.

Excellent comment!

95 phoenixgirl  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 6:28:08am

the most telling part of this video is when he was standing with his class. he was completely lost in that group of happy people. everyone else was enjoying themselves comfortable in their place waiting. he looked anxious and alone. i couldn't help thinking what a miserable creep he is. anyone thinking he's mild chap is as delusional as the creeps parents

96 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 7:37:45am

his arrogance will be his down fall. see how easily the videographer exposed him. he's a little punk.

97 cagney  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 7:46:05am

This was shot in 2002. He is still part of the BNP.

98 Lawrence Schmerel  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 9:26:03am

As an American who is not familiar with the BNP or its followers, I watched this video.

This is a sad story of an immature and misguided young person. Mark Collett has some legitimate concerns (some not) but they are mixed with anger, hate, and overreaching. It is an unfortunate mix for him. Mark Collett should never have allowed himself to be fooled into believing that race has anything to do with his concerns.

Racism is just unacceptable, especially in politics, and so Mark Collett will fail. Not everyone can be a successful political leader, and that fact is a good thing because not everyone should be.

Not only is Mark Collett being misused by the BNP, he will be misused again by those who are opposed to his legitimate concerns. They will label everyone who shares his legitimate concerns as racist.

I agree with Charles Johnson that it is necessary to distinguish and distance oneself from these racist groups and their neo-Nazi supporters.

99 onepistoffyid  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 11:11:51am

re: #87 Winston Y. Smith

re: #86 Globular Cluster

I understand that. But how about welcoming aproaching arab (or vietnamese, or whatever) majority in Israel? Right of return anyone? Or welcoming Tibet becoming ethnically chineese?

You are confusing race with religion. Judaism is not a race. There are black jews, arab jews (sephardim), Asian Indian jews, etc. in Israel If you just go to Israel (have you been?) you see how many different races are reprsented. In addition, 20% of Israel is non-jewish. The issue is that, due to the world's history of anti-antisemitism, Israel is the one country where Judaism is the dominant religion (and where jews can find refuge), like Islam is for Saudi Arabia, Buddhism is for Thailand, or Christianity is for Italy. What is wrong with that? If the majority population in Israel decided en masse to convert to Christianity, including all the jews, then the character of the country would revert to Christianity. There is no compulsion in religion in Israel, unlike in Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. You are free to practice whatever religion you like and still be a full citizen. Get it?

100 Mats  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 11:56:25am

Such is the problem having atheists running a continent. With no moral backbone, they either swing to the far left or the nazi right.

101 blueboy  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 1:41:59pm

The BNP will gain some measure of support due to the mainstream parties turning a blind eye to The torrent of illegal immigration into the uk in the last 20 years. An increasingly desperate white working class electorate will respond to requires desperate measures proposed on their behalf to protect what is seen as their birthright.
Many British mp's have marginal constituencies with a large asian/muslim electorate to keep sweet and therefore are not going to say or do anything that will lose them their seat. The country's immigration policy is effectively held hostage by a muslim minority backed up by a vocal left wing and a media that would make Pravda proud with it's toeing of the socialist line.
The mainstream political parties are completely out of touch with working white voters. We Brits have always stood up for fair play but it's obvious that the politicians and johnny foreigner is taking the piss big time.
Either the mainstream parties sort their act out, showing the millions of illegal immigrants and asylum seeking spongers the door or they risk arseholes like the BNP gaining a foothold and a lot of decent people getting hurt.
While the BNP and their ilk are loathesome, at least they give the appearance of listening to the British.
If I could leave, I would. Most white Brits think the UK is finished and I can't disagree.

102 Jimmah  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 3:00:07pm

Mark Collett? Wow. The ignorance was just haemorraging out of this boy. What a complete and utter moron! It shows how fucked the BNP are that they consider this guy to be among their intelligentsia. Mark Collett has incidentally been a central figure in the BNP's recent split and on-going acrimony.

A comment on his recent contribution to the party:

Great stuff! Clearly - as ‘charles marks’ above infers - whatever the obnoxious collet has on nazi nick it must be fairly damning for griffin to be willing to put the entire future of the BNP at risk in order to keep collet on board? Must be said whoever collet is and whatever his ‘true’ motives he is doing a great job for us anti-fascists! Whether its his outrageous ‘yes we (the bnp) really are nazi lovers’ statements or the chaos he appears to be creating among britian’s increasingly dis-oriented fascists, collet appears to be almost single handely wrecking the bnp! Great work mark - keep it up.

[Link: www.socialistunity.com...]

103 armaros  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 3:18:03pm

Its time for the BNP to call the Midlands Police and have channel 4 investigated for inciting hatred against white supremacists !

...These quotes were "taken out of context" , the context being an interview in which they were not supposed to appear. They malign the otherwise gentle and proud community of white nationalists.

....Sounds absurd.......well in light of the most recent channel 4 investigation it is reality absurd or not......

104 armaros  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 3:29:32pm

"at least they give the appearance of listening to the British. "

That is exactly the MO of fascists. Europeans seem to run to the fascists as they see government as a solution to social problems. So they will move from Labour or socialists to fascists if they promise them more programs, money or whatever.
This is their history.
The issue is not immigration, I couldn't care less where someone comes from or what color their skin is. I could also care less about weather a given society remains white or not. It is about liberty and the dangers to liberty militant non integrated immigrants from one block can present and doing so under the protection of the deluded left and its institutions which originally were set up to safeguard the very liberties they are now busy dismantling. That is where the CHRC comes in as does the extra sensitive British police.

105 cagney  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 4:21:18pm

re: #102 Jimmah

LOL.

One thing that stuck to my mind after watching the clip was how cocky Collett was after the hardy lads popped up.

He's about as hard as a toffee that's been lying in yer pocket.

106 Jimmah  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 5:17:39pm

re: #105 cagney

Yep. He's a fanny. With his heavies and the police present, he's 'right up for it' - because he knows nothing is going to happen to him beyond a leaflet or two being aggressively flaunted in his face. When there is an actual threat, it's a different story. You've probably seen the same stories I've read about the recent squabbles at BNP meetings where he faced possible physical threats from his fellow party members - they have him standing around visibly shitting himself and then running out of the building in fear.

107 cagney  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 5:26:06pm

re: #106 Jimmah

Och that's a bit o gossip if there isn't one. I didn't know that.

Must be hard all those one's paying their memberships for Mr Collett to live in the lap of luxury at their expense.

108 cagney  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 5:27:38pm

re: #107 cagney

Aye it's a tough life isn't it for a member of the BNP.

109 cagney  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 5:30:25pm

re: #108 cagney

aye maybe no's when they've got that enough money tae burn.

110 Jimmah  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 5:41:13pm

Check this out. I think you'll get a good laugh.

[Link: www.stopthebnp.org.uk...]

Tony Mac, meanwhile, appeared oblivious to the proceedings, fixated as was with making threats towards Collett. Little Nazi Boy (as comedian Russell Brand likes to call him) was obviously scared to death and appeared to spend most of the meeting eyeing out exits if he needed to make a quick getaway.

...

With Collett due to speak Tony Mac had decided that he had had enough. Shouting “I’m going to kill you”, “I’m going to cut your throat”, he charged forward, smashing a glass on the side of the table as he headed straight for Collett.

All hell broke loose, as the security team moved forward to block the charge. Of course, their priority was protecting Griffin so Collett was left to fend for himself. He did, at some haste, by fleeing like a whimpering dog out of the fire escape!

111 Globular Cluster  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 5:47:08pm

re: #109 cagney

re: #108 cagney

aye maybe no's when they've got that enough money tae burn.

You guys are awesome.

112 cagney  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 5:47:29pm

re: #110 Jimmah

LOL.

Aye Big Tony Mac must be Scots on this maithers side, he's certainly no got the brains.

113 cagney  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 5:52:10pm

re: #111 Globular Cluster

The BNP must be rolling in it when they're letting Collett lead the high life.

114 cagney  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 5:56:52pm

Big Tony Mac must be bealing big time coz he's getting hit wi the insurance as he doesn't have the postcode o' Collett.

115 katarac  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 5:59:24pm

re: #100 Mats

Such is the problem having atheists running a continent. With no moral backbone, they either swing to the far left or the nazi right.

Give me a break. Athiests fall into more diverse demographics than you seem to realize.

116 Globular Cluster  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 6:02:08pm

Cagney, I love the brogue, (or whatever you call it). Are you from the UK or just good at dialog? ;)

117 cagney  Fri, Jan 18, 2008 6:05:39pm

re: #116 Globular Cluster

Scottish. Try to post in English but the Scots is more expressive.


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