Is it practical to call the Islamists to a responsible investigation of the Qaim and the Mahdi, now that they've come?

"They invited some Islamists in at the risk of being seen as too progressive."

"Radical middle way."

Gimme a break.

While the British government is clueless it's somewhat encouraging to see the BBC reporter in this instance is not.

I think Britain is blinding itself to the real threat. I really hope they wake up soon but all the news I read it seems as if they are getting more lost. I read this today and it made me almost want to barf. Government Renames Islamic Terrorism as 'anti-Islamic activity' too woo Muslims

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Taliban capture second fort in South Waziristan.

"The Centre for Social Cohesion"

Yep, that'll solve it.

The problem with Muslims is Islam. Make friendly with the truth.

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I think Britain is blinding itself to the real threat. I really hope they wake up soon but all the news I read it seems as if they are getting more lost. I read this today and it made me almost want to barf. Government Renames Islamic Terrorism as 'anti-Islamic activity' too woo Muslims

Avid, this is a good example of "just change the description from 'murder' to 'accidental death' and PRESTO! we've solved the problem of so many murders!"

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I think Britain is blinding itself to the real threat. I really hope they wake up soon but all the news I read it seems as if they are getting more lost. I read this today and it made me almost want to barf.

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O/T

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O/T

Not good.

Taliban capture second fort in South Waziristan.

Then again, high-altitude bombers know exactly where those forts are!

Government agencies confused?......say it ain't so!

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I think Britain is blinding itself to the real threat. I really hope they wake up soon but all the news I read it seems as if they are getting more lost. I read this today and it made me almost want to barf.

#13 BignJames

Nice avatar, used to be 1/504th "devil's in baggy pants

Live an hour away from Fayette-nam now.

From Bedfordshire/Luton, of recent Lionheart fame/infamy, a case where, despite a Muslim's reasonable and laid-back response to what could be construed as "Islamophobia" but which he shrugs off as a mere joke by a friend, it is a politically correct non-Muslim who turns this into something bigger.

A Muslim police officer given bacon and wine as a Secret Santa gift decided to treat it as a harmless if tasteless joke. But a non-Muslim colleague failed to show the same level of tolerance.

The officer who supplied the gift, 26-year-old PC Rob Murrie, was reported to his superiors for racism.

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

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Outstanding, the famous Amos and Andy been all around this big old world.

Charles -

May I suggest an antisemitism spinoff link category?

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re: #15 BulgarWheat

It's for my dad...he was the trooper.

I like it. :)

Islam is Islam and we are not going to change it, and it isn't going to change itself. It is what it has always been - a scourge of mankind spread by death, masquerading as a religion. The only thing that needs tackling is the misguided social policies created by Western governments and mindless bureaucrats that give Islam a foothold here in the first place.

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O/T
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O/T

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Britain is sooooooo toast...Good bye Great Britain, hello Britainstan...

Shura, meaning consultation, is now a part of dawa'h? If shura is such a pillar of islam, why have we not heard more about it? I'm pretty sure there were quite a few people whose right to shura was violated on 9/11.

#24 Alouette

"Cowboy and Taliban..." I like that.

When I was a kid we used to kill Nazis and Nips, now I guess that's all anti-PC.

And I married a German girl. Col. Klink's aide was always "hot" in Hogan's Heros. Guess that makes sense.

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re: #3 Canadian Guy

"While the British government is clueless it's somewhat encouraging to see the BBC reporter in this instance is not."

Daily, in countless small ways, the people of this world teach our 'leaders' what's really happening and where a productive, responsible path lies through our future...

Well, can we put them in accelerated classes?

Instead of the picture getting clearer with time, it's getting fuzzier.

The problem is a lack of strong leadership and clear direction from the top. When Bush schmoozes with the Saudis, what is everyone else to think?

People just don't seem to get that once they have an overwhelming strategic advantage over us, it's all over. And that strategic advantage can be gained practically overnight.

We came perilously close to losing the strategic advantage in WW2. Had Germany captured the oil fields of the Middle East, and Japan had cut off rubber supplies, the Allied war machine would have been neutered.

There won't be any brave resistance that ultimately throws the Muslims out. Islam will take full advantage of Western technology, the technology we are too nice to use, to keep track of resistance movements, and they will be dealt with ruthlessly. If a town is found to be harboring resistance elements it will be leveled from the air, firebombed into slag.

There is ONE chance though. Will Muslims be too pious to force birth control on non-Muslims? Then if we could get over our aversion to baby-making we could turn the tables and outbreed them. Life would still be horribly miserable for about 400-500 years though. At least.

You might be a member of the Taliban if.....

10. You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to alcohol

9. You own a $300 machine gun and a $5,000 rocket launcher, but you can't afford shoes.

8. You have more wives than teeth.

7. You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide.

6. You can't think of anyone you HAVEN'T declared Jihad against.

5. You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry ammunition in your robe.

4. You've never been asked, "Does this burka make my ass look fat?"

3. You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting off roadside bombs.

2. You've never uttered the phrase, "I love what you've done with your cave."

1. You wipe your butt with your bare left hand, but consider bacon unclean.

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re: #16 Alas

The officer who supplied the gift, 26-year-old PC Rob Murrie, was reported to his superiors for racism.[Link: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]...]

Alas, I note that this PC-stuff engenders and promotes an attitude of righteous indignation which leads to turning in people for their perceived transgressions from the acceptable norm (as in this case)!

If the sentiments of the Muslim police officer as described in the article are accurate, he should be awarded a Fallaci award, and the politically correct non-Muslims in the Bedfordshire police force a Fiskie award.

It just makes you wonder who is the worse enemy: political correctness or Islamists, who'd be a lot less potent in the West were it not for political correctness. Also, if we did not facilitate non-assimilation, would we find that more Muslims assimilate. There will always be Islamists, and perhaps Islam itself is unreformable and incompatible with Western traditions. But if we had an incentive for immigrants to assimilate, where now we have incentives for them not to assimilate thanks to our multiculti fetish, I am sure we'd see at least some Muslims moving more and more toward the host society's norm and not a PC-sanctioned rejection of them.

I think it's a real mistake to to expect Muslims to participate in policing themselves and rooting out their own extremism. It needs to be done through law enforcement and with the support of the non-Muslim population.

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A while back Robert Spencer video blogged the "Islam is Peace" ad campaign in the U.K. at Hot Air. Fabulous man. There really needs to be more media coverage of the true tenets and goals of Islam presented in
in intelligent and rational manner intead of by white thugs.

Dr. Helbawi:
'I have been the spokesman of [the] Brotherhood in the West - a member since 1951. We never taught anyone violence. But we are misunderstood. And this is a problem of the other party.'

Interviewer:
'Yes, but let's be clear - the Muslim Brotherhood believes in the creation of a Caliphate - an Islamist state. It doesn't support democracy.'

Dr. H.:
'They believe in, aaahh, in working for Islam and dawa.

I:
'But not democracy - .'

Dr. H.:
'No, no - Listen to me: Democracy is a part of it Because we have what we call shura, in Arabic - that is consultation. And the essence of democracy is all contained in this shura system.

. The essence of Democracy is submission to Sharia Law.
// Moderate Islamist supremacism.

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Shura, meaning consultation, is now a part of dawa'h? If shura is such a pillar of islam, why have we not heard more about it? I'm pretty sure there were quite a few people whose right to shura was violated on 9/11.

1) because we're not listening
2) it means consultation--but not between Muslims and infidels who together are living in some democracy, but specifically consultation within the Muslim community (ex, quran 42:38)--i.e., there's only democracy as long as it doesn't go against the Quran!, thus explaining the phrasing of various constitutions, and also explaining willingness to go along with the idea of democracy, knowing full well that such idea has its Quranic limits (it's the whole "theodemocracy" idea)

For more info on this, read Qaradawi.

MPAC: Don't fear Islamic terrorism, the government is the real enemy......
"I'm not scared of terrorists. I'm scared much more of the Government"

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Evil "IOF" abusing innocent Palestinian peace journalist.

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Anyone know where I can download the Stuck Mojo "Open Season" MP3?

Just got a Blackberry 8320 with a 2GB MicroSD card... would love to add that to the collection...

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Anyone know where I can download the Stuck Mojo "Open Season" MP3?

Just got a Blackberry 8320 with a 2GB MicroSD card... would love to add that to the collection...

I have the Youtube video but not the MP3 thingy. I bet BabbaZee has it.

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I think Britain is blinding itself to the real threat. I really hope they wake up soon but all the news I read it seems as if they are getting more lost. I read this today and it made me almost want to barf.

Maybe not quite OT:

The Saudi government has issued a ruling that will call for the replacement of foreign workers in the Kingdom with Saudi nationals. The move will affect hundreds of Indians working in the Kingdom. No doubt that will also affect Palestinians who will be told to once again get lost - and here's a suicide belt for your troubles.

I suspect the move is to improve the local economy, which has grown totally dependent on foreign workers and the House of Saud has realized that there are serious issues of blowback if they don't start doing something.

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I think it's a real mistake to to expect Muslims to participate in policing themselves and rooting out their own extremism. It needs to be done through law enforcement and with the support of the non-Muslim population.

What I find disturbing are the federal agencies and the military using CAIR and other questionable Muslim organizations to provide personnel and training for the feds and military. We see the FBI and local police suppressing information on the SLC mall massacre when even a blind man can see that Islamic radical fundamentalism was the motivation behind the crimes. We see grandmothers being heavily searched at airport security while young ME males are only cursorily searched due to liberal political correctness of TSA. We see scared American passengers being sued by CAIR after reporting suspicious activities Islamic Imams. Anyone with half a brain can recognize CAIR as a subversive organization, but the feds consistently pander to CAIR on a daily basis.

Oldie but goodie:

Taliban Singles Online

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Government renames Islamic terrorism as 'anti-Islamic activity' to woo Muslims

I guess it's nice to see that George Orwell is as popular now as he's ever been.

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Anyone know where I can download the Stuck Mojo "Open Season" MP3?

Just got a Blackberry 8320 with a 2GB MicroSD card... would love to add that to the collection...

go to stuck mojo's homepage its free to download

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'they' have to reach out to us

'they' are not immigrating to the USA because we begged them to come here

if 'they' want to be accepted 'they' should make attempts to integrate, and show some gratitude that WE and our ancestors shed blood, sweat and tears to make the USA what it is

and not so that 'they' can come here and make demands

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Video: God tells Pat Robertson that Rudy’s going to lose
Heh.

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What I find disturbing are the federal agencies and the military using CAIR and other questionable Muslim organizations to provide personnel and training for the feds and military

I agree. I suspect President Rudy will put a stop to that.

I hope Rudy gets a chance to do so.

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G-d doesn't need to tell Pat anything, commensense can accomplish that. Rudy is toast without butter.

I loved the line bit about being on a "steep learning curve". Try "clawing their way out of clueless".

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Video: God tells Pat Robertson that Rudy’s going to lose
Heh.

Would this call into question Pat's line to the Lord? When he endorsed Rudy, it looked like the evangelicals might be okay with Rudy. In Iowa, they obviously weren't, not that Rudy did anything to help convince them they should be.

Rudy's problem is that he is sui generis. He can't be pinned down neatly as one thing or another. I hope this is not fatal and that Americans don't think the way the MSM does in terms of stock categories and horse races, but I am beginning to think that, unfortunately, maybe they do. Wake up, people, and don't get duped.

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FYI : Vivienne Westwood (red head woman in video) is the designer who made the 9 inch platform shoes that Naomi Campbell fell off of on her famous walk down the catwalk. I really wish that people who I find interesting would just keep their stupid mouths shut. It is getting to be so disappointing.

Priest rapes his retarded daughter because she was possessed by the devil.....
Exorcism priest had sex with daughter

During the trial it emerged that the 69-year-old priest believed his daughter to be possessed by the devil. His acts of violence against her were a means of driving evil spirits from her body, the court heard.

The priest believed that there were three possible ways to exorcise the devil and "cure" his daughter. These involved prayer, bringing her body into contact with a crucifix, and blessing her with holy water, newspaper Mitt i Södertörn reports.

When none of these methods produced the desired results, the priest grew ever more violent.

In October, a passer-by contacted the police after finding the girl bruised and battered in a playground near her home. The witness heard that she had been tied up by her father and lashed with a belt.

When questioned by police, the girl said that her father had also forced her into sex as a means of driving Satan from her body.

Well, that makes sense.

I love the way he explains that sharia contains the essence of democracy. Boy I feel better...

re: #41 directorblue

Anyone know where I can download the Stuck Mojo "Open Season" MP3?

Just got a Blackberry 8320 with a 2GB MicroSD card... would love to add that to the collection...

Here's a link for you.

From the pot = kettle department, Ahmadinejad says that Bush is confrontational. We should ignore Ahamdinejad's repeated calls for Israel's destruction in a rain of fire and his own apocalyptic visions for the region.

OT just had a first! for me--got a phone call from-antarctica! a friend of my son has been working there as an electrician on 6 mon stints--sooo cool!

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U.S. peace partner's group shoots at Jew

"We are proud to declare that we shot at this Israeli and that we are back to leading the Palestinian armed struggle," said Abu Oudai, a chief of Fatah's Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group.

"We no more respect the talks of our leadership for a ceasefire and for stopping attacks. ...We declare the Al Aqsa Brigades has returned and that Israel will learn in the coming days what we are capable of," Abu Oudai said.

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I love the way he explains that sharia contains the essence of democracy. Boy I feel better...

Sort of like a chef explaining there's an essence of lemon in his sauce ,, It's there, but the only way to find it is to get rid of 99.999% of the rest of the ingredients

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FYI : Vivienne Westwood (red head woman in video) is the designer who made the 9 inch platform shoes that Naomi Campbell fell off of on her famous walk down the catwalk. I really wish that people who I find interesting would just keep their stupid mouths shut. It is getting to be so disappointing.

Vivienne Westwood's association with Malcolm McClaren alone brings into question whether any of her "opinions" are anything more than an ploy to make money. The Great Rock n' Roll Swindle!

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Why is Rudy Smiling?

There's an interesting on-topic post at the site below that relates to the problem of multiculturalism and political correctness in Britain and Canada as a relic of the British colonial model, and a discussion of the contrast between that model as a means of maintaining order, versus the American model of freeing individuals to enjoy their inherent rights...

"The British colonial model (BCM) is that you allow the natives you rule in foreign lands to keep to their own ways as much as possible without your losing control over them. This approach arose out of practical needs to keep tribal rivalries from spilling into wars that the British home office would find hard to control.

On the topic of democracy the BCM says: What use it is to teach these tribes democracy when the first thing they'll do with it is tear each other to pieces and balkanize into territories the size of a postage stamp?

The BCM is basically a conflict-management model.

The American Government Model (AGM) is built on the defense of liberty and the protection of individual rights. That the United States has often betrayed the model when applying it to foreign relations does not invalidate it.

I see in the conflict between the BCM and AGM the age-old struggle between maintaining order and self empowerment."

[Link: pundita.blogspot.com...]

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MPAC: Don't fear Islamic terrorism, the government is the real enemy......

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It cannot be any clearer! These people have a clear agenda and it's ultimate goal is the Caliphate ruled by Sharia.
But we, in the West, refuse to admit to ourselves the painful truth regardless how often and how loudly this fact is being stated.

German Jews refused to believe their eyes and ears the preamble to the genocide prepared for them. This unwillingness to face the immediate reality had dire consequences...

Have we learned nothing?

OT but related to tackling islamists...

Remember how Ross Perot invaded Iran, defied the islamic terrorists and rescued his own employees--as a private citizen--when President Carter wouldn't?

Terrorist ass-kicking Ross Perot endorses Gov. Mitt Romney, who said he would bug mosques if they're fomenting terror inside.

I know people make fun of Mr. Perot, but he is a true patriot who loves America and has put his own life & fortune on the line for his employees and for POWs who he supported financially to this day.

With respect to fighting islamic terrorists, for Perot to endorse Romney over McCain is a big deal, because Perot was willing to fight Iranian jihadists going back to 1979. Perot must have faith that Romney is similarly ready to do battle against this threat, moreso than McCain.

Surrender is NOT an option. We will not surrender, our enemies will.

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I hope this is not fatal and that Americans don't think the way the MSM does in terms of stock categories and horse races, but I am beginning to think that, unfortunately, maybe they do.

I really think Rudy's problem is religion. Americans need to have a protestant white male president for some reason. I think that's really what it boils down to. It's not about issues or ideas. I'm not even sure which candidates fill the requirements.

Yes, but as it stands, Hillary is still the overall front-runner. So that would be 2 for 3. Her almost-tears suggest that, unlike Maggie Thatcher, she is not even positioning herself as a virtual 3 for 3.

In this case (NO, I AM NOT A RACIST OR SEXIST), I do hope that the protestant white male "rule" holds true, because even if that leaves out Rudy, it leaves out Hillary and Obama. Edwards has no chance, so at least it would mean a Republican. If you define protestant as non-Catholic Christian, Romney, Thompson, McCain, Huckabee are all contenders, regardless of their individual religiosity (but ole' Bill showed us that doesn't matter).

Actually, I think America is ready for another Catholic or a woman or an African-America, if it were someone of substance and not Vacuobama. The problem with Rudy is that his strategy may be off, not that he is Catholic. On the other hand, he yet be right and be a strategic genius... I hope. But it's getting harder to think so.

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Thank you- I figured it was some taqiyya trickery. I'll look into that writer.

You're welcome, and that writer (Muslim Brotherhood) is very possibly the most influential Sunni authority around today, and his writings are very clear and helpful--and available on Amazon!

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"Rudy's problem is that he is sui generis."

Rudy's problem is that 911 is fading fast into the "thrilling days of yesteryear" and fat, dumb America is still buying the "Religion of Peace" and the "small group of fanatics" rubbish.

I hate to say it, but the best thing that could happen for Rudy is (God forbid) another major attack on our soil.

There's truth to that, unfortunately. Yet, he was still the Repub front-runner (whatever that means) not so long ago, which was almost as far-removed from 9/11 as we are now. So I am starting to think that it's Rudy strategy that is at fault. But I hope I am wrong and a Super Tuesday (what a stupid term) sweep is possible.

These people are twiddling their thumbs. They are as clueless as the Pentagon, the CIA, The FBI and John Kerry.

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Is Ben Stein the next Mikey Moore?
What Happened to Freedom of Speech?

He discovers an elitist scientific establishment that has traded in its skepticism for dogma. But even worse, along the way, Stein uncovers a long line of biologists, astronomers, chemists and philosophers who have had their reputations destroyed and their careers ruined by a scientific establishment that allows absolutely no dissent from Charles Darwin's theory of random mutation and natural selection.

"Big Science in this area of biology has lost its way," says Stein. "Scientists are supposed to be allowed to follow the evidence wherever it may lead, no matter what the implications are. Freedom of inquiry has been greatly compromised, and this is not only anti-American, it's anti-science. Its anti-the whole concept of learning."

Ben Stein is a brilliant guy, it'll be interesting to see what he has to say but i fear he's in for one hell of a Fisking.

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These people are twiddling their thumbs. They are as clueless as the Pentagon, the CIA, The FBI and John Kerry.

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C'mon, John Kerry knew the enemy was--his fellow Swift Boat Veterans! After all, it was US troops who cut off ears, noses, worse than Ghengis Khan, bla bla bla...
//sarc of course.

Strangely enough, John Kerry asked John McCain to be his vicepresidential candidate in 2004.

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Is Ben Stein the next Mikey Moore?

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The article Government Renames Islamic Terrorism as 'anti-Islamic activity' too woo Muslimssays

Security officials believe that directly linking terrorism to Islam is inflammatory, and risks alienating mainstream Muslim opinion.

It is the Islamists that are linking it. Why don't they tell the Islamists to call themselves anti-Islamic activists. I don't hear the 'mainstream' muslims whinging when they say that. You know when Muslims are upset when they start seething. the Terrorists claiming they are doing it in the name of Islam doesn't seem to make them seethe. And if this language does alienate the Muslims, it should only alienate the ones that don't believe this is Islam and it should only alienate them from the extremists. So far I don't see this alienation happening. By using this new language it will make it easy for Muslims to pretend that Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with them.

The promise of sharia......
Malaysian Islamic party still wants stonings

Malaysia's Islamist opposition party called on non-Muslims on Thursday to back its election campaign to apply strict sharia law, including amputations and stonings, for the country's Muslims.

Parti Islam se-Malaysia (PAS) is trying to broaden its appeal beyond the predominantly Muslim heartland at the next election, which is expected by political experts to be called by end-March and to be fought partly on the issue of rising street crime.

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