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Dreaming of Super Tuesday

Tue, Feb 5, 2008 at 9:11:46 am PST

Super Tuesday is upon us. I tossed and turned all night, haunted by the ghosts of Rudy and Duncan. And when I awoke, it was all not a dream—we really do have to choose between McCain and Romney.

Sometime during that unrestful interval, I decided: I’m pulling the lever for Mitt Romney today. If John McCain is the nominee, we’re going to have at least four years of a Democrat in the White House—and with some estimating that Iran will have a bomb within two years, that means we’d have a Democrat facing a nuclear-armed Iran. (Because we know they’re not going to do anything serious to stop it.)

Disaster.

So I’m voting for Mitt, and I’m going to convince myself that I’m doing it wholeheartedly, without reservation—even if, in my dreams, I know the truth.

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1 rockin'Ron  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:12:35am

Heh

2 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:12:43am

Mitt.

3 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:13:07am

Ya, what he said

4 Richard Romano  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:13:54am

I’m voting for Mitt

5 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:15:08am

I voted for Mitt at 6:10AM in NY...anyone hearing anything on early returns?

6 Shug  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:15:13am

Remember this when you go to the polls.

7 gopninja  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:15:25am

lol wut?

8 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:15:27am

Good move, Charles. A vote for McCain is a vote for McCain, and a vote for Huckabee is a vote for McCain. A vote for Ron Paul? Well, let's just say we'd have to put you in the room next to Britney Spears.

9 Cpt. Disco  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:15:49am

My decision today is clear. I can't say the same for that fateful day in November.

10 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:15:49am

re: #5 Leonidas Hoplite

I voted for Mitt at 6:10AM in NY...anyone hearing anything on early returns?

Ron Paul with 87%!

/Paulian

11 bryantay  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:15:50am

I feel your pain...

12 scottthecanuck  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:15:57am

re: #6 Shug

Man that is evil

13 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:16:11am

re: #6 Shug

Remember this when you go to the polls.

Ay, what's with that avatar?

14 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:16:23am

Good call, Charles- go Mitt!

15 Power Armored Lizardoid  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:16:43am

I say vote for sHillary or Hussein...At least when their Liberal policies blow up, the Republicans won't be blamed for it. (Actually they will...ahh the wonders of a mostly liberal media...) And maybe the Repubs will come up with a better (read: more Conservative) candidate than McBain....


MENDOZA!

16 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:16:44am
17 Marine Mom  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:17:09am

With John McCain, the respect goes one way- I have to respect him, but he does not respect me. That's unacceptable.
I think Mitt understands the threat we face very well.
I believe he'll have the best military advisors available, and he'll listen to them. He's able to make hard decisions.
I'm voting for Mitt.

18 CIA Reject  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:17:12am

What was the quote, something like: "...this is a giant shit sandwich and we're gonna have to open up and take a big bite..."

/Yeah...

19 loppyd  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:17:30am

Go Mitt Go!

20 The_Doc  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:17:31am

It seemes the lizard army agrees with your choice, Charles

21 mattm  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:17:31am

If you vote for McAnmesty it is the same as a vote for almost every Dem policy.

22 Shug  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:17:37am

re: #13 Ward Cleaver


The burka is off!

23 Orbit Rain  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:17:47am

...arghhh....

24 BLBfootballs  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:17:49am

I certainly feel your dilemma. I think you made the right decision.

25 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:17:54am

Charles,

If you're voting Republican in California, then this is the only vote that will count as Hillary or Obama will surely win the state come November.

26 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:18:04am

If Hillary is the Democrat choice for November, I think even McCain would win because many people would barf at the thought of Bill back in the White House.

Of course she could divorce him. It would take my breath away.

27 rappmandu  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:18:30am

Super Tuesday, the day before Cash Wednesday?

28 loppyd  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:18:42am

re: #26 Ojoe

If Hillary is the Democrat choice for November, I think even McCain would win because many people would barf at the thought of Bill back in the White House.

Of course she could divorce him. It would take my breath away.

Mitt Romney said it best when he said he doesn't want to think about Bill Clinton in the White House with nothing to do.

29 Ben Hur  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:18:50am

re: #19 loppyd

Go Mitt Go!


Uh oh.

Hopefully past performance is not indicative of future results!

;)

LOL!

30 firebreather  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:18:59am

"I'm voting for Dennis Kucinich today because both Dennis & I were sexually abused by our fathers while growing up & so we have a shared affinity for the ravages of neo-corporate American imperialism & the total lack of cool buds & tasty waves in America, the worst & most oppressive country in the history of soiled underwear."

--Sean Penn & friends

31 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:19:15am

Makaniak!

/not

32 uriaheep  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:19:16am

I am voting for Pat Paulson.

33 Shug  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:19:28am

Charles,

That is the only vote a sensible thinking person is making today.

34 NYexpat  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:19:45am

The press shills for McCain because he is the more acceptable candidate for them. Listen to the msm, and you would think that the primaries were over. Same thing for the Dhimmis, really; their shilling for Obama should embarrass any objective journalist.

35 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:20:05am

My wife voted for McCain, I couldn't talk her out of it.

She's impressed by his military service and she thinks he's honest.

36 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:20:12am

re: #32 uriaheep

Gia morto.

(already dead)

37 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:20:30am

re: #10 NJDhockeyfan
Dude, awesome avatar

38 Ben Hur  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:20:33am

re: #35 Ringo the Gringo

My wife voted for McCain, I couldn't talk her out of it.

She's impressed by his military service and she thinks he's honest.


Post-nump.

39 tripster  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:20:59am

I really hope I don't have to have a Pepto Bismal Wednesday, but, I'm not laying odds on it.

40 uriaheep  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:21:10am

re: #36 Ojoe

Nuts. I don't like the Plan B choices.

41 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:21:36am

re: #28 loppyd

re: #26 Ojoe

If Hillary is the Democrat choice for November, I think even McCain would win because many people would barf at the thought of Bill back in the White House.

Of course she could divorce him. It would take my breath away.

Mitt Romney said it best when he said he doesn't want to think about Bill Clinton in the White House with nothing to do.

Oh, she'd put him to work on some boondoggle.

/something that costs us money

42 Orbit Rain  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:21:52am

...yeah, McCain plays to the ignoratti well...the way he plays off (of) his war hero status is unbecoming a president, let alone a Senator...that and he lies to get elected, among a bunch of other "political" behaviour chosen over leadership behaviour, behaviour among *many* bad behaviours make him persona non grata...

blah blah blah

43 mean Gene  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:22:02am

I feel your pain, Charles.
I felt, during the early debates, "if only we could have a composite candidate, with bits of Rudy, Mitt, John, Huck, Tom, Duncan and all in him."
But I know it was a pipe dream.
I held onto my absentee ballot till a few days ago, not wanting to throw my vote away on someone who dropped out.
(Glad I did.)
But Mitt was the choice I made, too.
Not perfect, just the best under the present circumstances.

44 Eri  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:22:09am

I just voted for Mitt a couple hours ago.

45 rw in san diego  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:22:11am

McCain has too often shown the contempt he has for the American voter. Romney gets my reluctant vote.

46 Kailen  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:22:13am

"Vote Satan 2008: Why settle for the lesser evil?"

47 tripster  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:22:26am

re: #35 Ringo the Gringo

My wife voted for McCain, I couldn't talk her out of it.

She's impressed by his military service and she thinks he's honest.

My condolences.

48 Let's Roll  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:22:38am

Has to be Mitt. Sadly, Rudy and Hunter were still listed on my ballot, teasing me with what shall never be...

49 scottthecanuck  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:22:39am

re: #26 Ojoe

I think it will be close but Hillary will pull it out because Republican turnout will be low. The MSM will be shilling for Hillary all the way "a historic choice" independent women will break solidly for Hillary and other independents will be turned off by McCain's age and will end up sitting out. I think they learned from South Carolina and will keep Bill under wraps, the guy has been practically invisible since then.

As well the news in Iraq will get bad with a new terrorist "surge" further motivating Dem's to vote and depressing Republican turnout.

50 uriaheep  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:22:48am

re: #42 Orbit Rain

McCain was a good soldier. Horrible leader.

51 Pope Insouciance IV  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:22:51am

I graduated from college in 1979, right at the height of Jimmy Carter's recession. It was not a fun time.
No way I'd vote for a Dem incompetent - they do too much damage.
But this year it looks like we're going to get another nitwit.

52 Ben Hur  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:23:21am

Grateful Dead Grateful for Obama

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR GGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!


KASDHFAKJFH APVJHADSFJAOSDIFJOASIDFJALKSDFNAL,KFASDFAIJDFPOAIS JFOASDJFOA9SJEFAKNGALKSD!

53 inkling  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:23:23am

I made the same choice, Charles. My choices were:
1. Rudy
2. Fred
::big drop::
3. Mitt
4. McCain
5. Velma from Scooby Doo
6. Huckleberry
7. Asmodeus, Lord of Darkness
8. Herr Doktor Ron Paul

My suggestion for a Romney motto is "Vote for Mitt -- the best of what's left!"
(My original suggestion, "Mitt Romney: The Other White Meat", never caught on)

54 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:23:36am

re: #52 Ben Hur

I fucking told you they sucked.

55 Ben Hur  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:23:59am
A fog of marijuana hung over the crowd, the Reuters news agency reported.
56 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:24:12am

re: #49 scottthecanuck

The RNC needs to print up "No Third Term" bumper stickers with both Bill and Hillary's image.

57 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:24:15am

re: #53 inkling

7. Asmodeus, Lord of Darkness

AHHAHHHAA

I CAST THEE OUT, ASMODEUS!

58 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:24:26am

re: #52 Ben Hur

Grateful Dead Grateful for Obama

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!


KASDHFAKJFH APVJHADSFJAOSDIFJOASIDFJALKSDFNAL,KFASDF AIJDFPOAISJFOASDJFOA9SJEFAKNGALKSD!

How you feeling about that?

59 XMarine  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:24:44am

We do not have any caucus or primary here in North Carolina, but I still spent the night with nightmares of Hilairy (yes, she is an accomplished liar) Clinton going through my head.

I would love to see Romney as our candidate, but believe me, compared to Obama or (G-d forbid) Clinton, McCain comes out way ahead in my book.

60 pat  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:25:24am

Babba! Good morning.

61 Roger  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:25:27am

Charles? Romney will have Rick Santorum advising on issues you care about. Rick Santorum endorsed Romney yesterday.

62 debutaunt  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:25:27am

re: #58 Creeping Eruption

re: #52 Ben Hur


Grateful Dead Grateful for Obama

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!


KASDHFAKJFH APVJHADSFJAOSDIFJOASIDFJALKSDFNAL,KFASDF AIJDFPOAISJFOASDJFOA9SJEFAKNGALKSD!


How you feeling about that?

UNGRATEFUL AS HELL.

63 Ben Hur  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:25:31am
“Every few generations a guy like this comes along,” drummer Mickey Hart told reporters in San Francisco on Monday, a day before voters began heading to polls in hotly contested California. “It seems like desperate times, and we’re desperate people.”

Yes. Desperate.

No where else in the world can five hippie herion addict 65 year olds pull in $50 mill a year touring and forgetting the words.

The horror.

The horror!

Ldfjaldfjalsdfjalsdfjaldsfjaosdiuaodguaoifjaseifja oseifjaosdaodih!

I'm.......so........torn!

64 uriaheep  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:25:59am

I would vote for Scrappy Doo ahead of this bunch and he killed the series.

65 LeftJustAintRight  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:26:01am

Charles,
You should put a poll on this thread with all the real ballot choices

66 NYexpat  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:26:10am

re: #25 Ringo the Gringo

Charles,

If you're voting Republican in California, then this is the only vote that will count as Hillary or Obama will surely win the state come November.

I don't know. I suspect that in the general election, Obama's comments favoring driver's licenses for illegals might not resonate with the majority of voters here. Latinos do represent about 25% of the electorate in California, but really they feel the negative effects of the illegals more than the rest of us!

67 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:26:14am

I voted for Mitt in early voting in Georgia last week, as did the other three eligible voters in my household. My daughter has been volunteering for him and went to his rally in Atlanta yesterday. He's not perfect, but I'm pretty sure he's not going to sell us out to Mexico like McCain wants to.

68 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:26:20am

Ummm, did anyone really expect the Grateful Dead to be doing benefit concerts for the Duncan Hunter campaign?

69 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:26:28am

re: #63 Ben Hur

but they have cool t-shirts

70 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:26:37am

re: #32 uriaheep

I am voting for Pat Paulson.

My favorite Pat Paulsen sketch is where Pat's car breaks down in the snow, and he goes up to a house, shivering, to knock on the door to get help. Who answers the door? Hubert Humphrey.

Humphrey lets Pat in (who's practically hypothermic), then yells out something like, "Muriel, would you get Mr. Paulsen a nice cold glass of lemonade?"

71 Ben Hur  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:26:42am
“The last time hope was in the air, it was ended by a bullet PALESTINIAN,” Weir said, referring to Robert F. Kennedy, who was assassinated on the night he won the California Democratic primary in 1968. “We’ve been reluctant to do political events all along.”
72 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:27:02am

re: #65 LeftJustAintRight

Don't forget Mad Max Reiker.

I'm out of there back to work.

73 rappmandu  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:27:03am

The fact that NPR this morning featured a piece, under the wafer-thin guise of reporting on the new LDS leadership, emphasizing widespread distrust of Mitt Romney because he's a Mormon should tell you everything you need to know.

If you won't demand a completely new slate of candidates from the Republican party, then vote out the Beltway incumbent, who is John Sidney McCain.

74 GGMac  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:27:11am

Same here - Mitt. Since Hunter was swept under the rug by the McCain/liberal-loving media, and he was the nearest to what the Republic had in mind in the first place, it's settle on Mitt for the primary. He seems to have the least amount of dangerous-for-the-Republic baggage. The general will be the sticky wicket all right. If it's McCain, I just can't see myself making my mark by the name of the man who has hired Juan Hernandez as an advisor. And he did this what - 2 days after stating he's seen the light about us wanting the border closed? Hires the creep who sings one of the lead parts in the "No fence/No border - the U.S. is Mexico, you must obey Vicente" opera!

75 Shug  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:27:13am

re: #68 Occasional Reader

I could see them coming out for Kucinich.

They support Democrats and their tax accountants manage their money like republicans.

76 Ben Hur  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:27:24am
“If I had to cast a write-in ballot, I’d put Jerry Garcia,” the band’s late front-man.

jERRY'S ALIVE!

77 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:27:26am

re: #54 BabbaZee

re: #52 Ben Hur

I fucking told you they sucked.

Could you please watch your language?

78 scottthecanuck  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:27:29am

re: #66 NYexpat

No Republican has a chance of carrying California against either Obama or Hillary.

79 manray favjet  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:27:29am

Some body in the super Tuesday states vote Mitt for me today. Here in North Carolina we don't vote today. I will however, make my feelings known at the precint meeting tonight. I just hope come our primary I still have some one to vote for.

NEVER, EVER WILL JOHN MCCAIN GET MY VOTE!

80 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:27:34am

re: #68 Occasional Reader

yes, they could have a Grateful Dead concert and an NRA rally at the same time.....well, maybe that would not be a good idea......

81 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:27:35am

re: #61 Roger

Santorum has nothing good to say about McCain. He thinks McCain sold out the party on the Gang of 14 and pretty much every other issue across the board.

82 badsysop  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:27:37am

I'm not surprised you drank the Faux news Kool-aid and voted for a neo-con. Ron Paul is the only person who can save the Earth. Charles is an illuminati agent and co-conspirator to the 9/11 inside job.

Re: Above comment. I don't think I like that new option you've added to the website.

You did the right thing. We're screwed either way... illegals will continue to flood over the border with all these clowns. I know McCain has bought into the global warming scam big-time, but I'm unsure of Romney's stance.

A big win in California would be nice for Romney. He'll certainly take Utah. :)

83 loppyd  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:27:37am

re: #29 Ben Hur

re: #19 loppyd

Go Mitt Go!


Uh oh.

Hopefully past performance is not indicative of future results!

;)

LOL!

This means way more to me.

84 maddogg  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:27:48am

I'm wit mit.

85 coquimbojoe  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:28:08am

re: #52 Ben Hur

Grateful Dead Grateful for Obama

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!


KASDHFAKJFH APVJHADSFJAOSDIFJOASIDFJALKSDFNAL,KFASDF AIJDFPOAISJFOASDJFOA9SJEFAKNGALKSD!

I remember Jerry Garcia (PBUH), when asked about Bill Clinton's abilities, questioned whether he (Bill) was fit to run a 7-11... Hence my enduring admiration for Jerry (PBUH)

86 firebreather  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:28:11am

Rage Against the Machine is voting for Jose Padilla, a write-in candidate.

Eddy Vedder is casting his vote for write-in candidate John Allen Muhammad.

Noam Chomsky & Howard Zinn are voting for Ward Churchill ("He speaks truth to power.").

87 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:28:11am

re: #80 Desert Dog

re: #68 Occasional Reader

yes, they could have a Grateful Dead concert and an NRA rally at the same time.....well, maybe that would not be a good idea......


Thats what you call target practice

88 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:28:18am

I wish Rudy actually campaigned. He'd have gotten my vote.

I'll be voting for Romney.

89 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:28:19am

I tried to think of a bigger RINO than john mccain last night and I drew a blank. There certainly isn't a bigger one than him with any name recognition.

90 badsysop  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:28:29am

re: #82 badsysop

Hahah. It edited out the < > even though it wasn't a real option. I put in the /Paulestinian tag on that comment...now it makes no sense!

91 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:28:31am

re: #60 pat

Pat!

92 alegrias  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:28:48am

Thank you Charles! You are no old press, old media follower.

Mitt Romney quotes gutsy Jose Maria Aznar against terrorism--Romney gets job number one.

93 littleoldlady  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:29:20am

Well, although I don't envy your "Sophie's Choice", Charles, I am jealous that you at least do get to vote for a candidate.

/Disenfranchised in Pennsylvania!

Yeah, I know I've been kvetching about this for a while, and I would apologize too, except I'm too p*ssed off!

A [ahem!] National Primary Day would have all of us voting on the entire original group of candidates. Fair is fair, and this way...just ain't!.

94 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:29:25am

Why do I get the sense that folks are going to have a whole lot of buyer's remorse after today?

95 coquimbojoe  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:29:27am

Oh, and people are trying to draft Haley Barbour as the VP. Not a bad idea if you ask me.

96 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:30:08am

loppyd--There's a really cool parade going on as we speak.

97 inkling  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:30:09am

re: #64 uriaheep

I would vote for Scrappy Doo ahead of this bunch and he killed the series.

I bet Scrappy Doo was voiced by Ted McGinley.

98 Alouette  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:30:27am

I voted in Michigan three weeks ago. I was one of the five people who voted for Rudy.

99 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:30:34am

Voted for Romney and all his delegates and alternate delegates from my district this morning. Will I lose sleep? No. I do this sans reservations.

If you vote in Illinois, be sure to vote for the candidates delegates, not just for the candidate himself.

100 Sifty  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:30:39am

Just got back from voting here in Burbank. Lots of turnout.

Mostly Dems and outright moonbats.

small gripe: 10 booths = 8 for Dems and 2 for Republicans. I guess they know the score better than I do since I just moved here.

Voted for Romney. Juan McCain is too bat-shit Kennedy/La Raza crazy.

But I also wore my Fred Thompson T-Shirt in honor of what might have been:

FRED
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies

I also wore my bright orange Club Gitmo baseball cap.

I'm no Sam Adams, but I get my point across.

101 JWM  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:30:50am

I just got back from voting here in CA. I walked into the polling place; they asked for my name. "John MacLean", I answered. (cuz that's my name) The emaciated college geek at the machine Laughed. Out. Loud. Deliberate. Forced. Mocking. And did I say, Loud?
"MacLean", I repeated to the woman at the desk, "Like the guy in the Die Hard movie."

I got my ballot. Romney's name was buried in the middle of about 15 other candidates, including Rudy, Fred, Brownback, Ron Paul, and a few I hadn't even heard of.
When I went to put the ballot in the machine, I crowded up close to the little bastard, invading his space as best I could. I made a point of making eye contact. I didn't have to fake the glare that curdled sunshine. The sneer was extra at no charge.
Welcome to election year 08. My second one here at LGF. God help us all.

JWM

102 Canadian Guy  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:30:52am

Anyone listening to Rush right now besides me?

103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:30:55am

Mitt, because he is the only even remotely Conservative candidate still in the running

104 uriaheep  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:31:00am

This election makes as much sense as a Hybrid Yukon.

105 GGMac  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:31:07am

#16 BabbaZee

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...Jack Jones. Underrated/underappreciated.

Thanks, {BabbzZee}!

106 coquimbojoe  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:31:12am

re: #88 JammieWearingFool

I wish Rudy actually campaigned. He'd have gotten my vote.

I'll be voting for Romney.

I agree completely. He gave up before the election started. I generally agree with Romney on more issues, but I think that Giuliani would have been better overall.

107 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:31:21am

re: #95 coquimbojoe

Oh, and people are trying to draft Haley Barbour as the VP. Not a bad idea if you ask me.

I'd prefer Haile Selassie.

108 mattm  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:31:23am

Mitt got my vote. I wish I could have voted for Hunter or Fred. McAmnesty WILL NOT GET MY VOTE!

109 tasteslikechicken  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:31:29am

I voted Mitt.

Unfortunately, it's probably only my first vote against the unhinged megalomaniac senator from Arizona.

110 badsysop  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:31:33am

re: #95 coquimbojoe

Oh, and people are trying to draft Haley Barbour as the VP. Not a bad idea if you ask me.


Isn't Mississippi where some moron tried to introduce legislation for restaurants not to serve overweight people?

Discrimination for your own good. You know that's a democrat member of the legislature that pulled that out of his a$$.

111 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:31:53am

re: #93 littleoldlady

I agree- why should one state have more clout and more say than any other state? A handful of states later and my choices are already limited. I just don't think it's fair for the remainder of us out here.

112 rike101  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:32:11am

Good choice. Believe it or not, Mitt got more done here in Mass. as Governor than I ever thought he would. And for those of you wondering about his Mormonism, it was never an issue and never came up while he was Governor.

He's a good man, and the man for the job.

113 Shug  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:32:25am

re: #96 JammieWearingFool

loppyd--There's a really cool parade going on as we speak.


jammie,

I give you major props on your prediction.
I remember about 6 weeks ago you telling me that the Giants were going to the Super Bowl.

I thought you were crazy.


Are you as good at predicting political outcomes?

again, congrats.
Limbaugh quotes you and a Superbowl win. Pretty good few months

114 republic  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:32:29am

I just voted for Mitt Romney.

I will not stay home in November, staying home in November IS a vote for the socialist/leftist anti-Americans, staying home is a vote for possibly 3 left of Ginsberg justices.

No way!

115 Ben Hur  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:32:35am

I guess I'm voting Obama.

116 bkgodfrey  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:32:36am

good choice, i made the fateful decision several weeks ago, i can't stand the thought of "the Straight Talk Express" leading the country, or representing the GOP for that matter, uuuggghh

117 dm50462  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:32:50am

Big empty space on the ballot where Duncan Hunter should have been. Threw up in my mouth a little bit and clicked on the Romney delegates (shiver).

Parking lot was full - had to wait nearly 10 minutes for a space. Feared the worst (this is Illinois and I was anticipating hordes of wild eyed Obamamaniacs), but all four precincts voting in the same room were - EMPTY! Kindergarten registration had taken up all the parking spaces in the municipal building’s two lots. No one was voting.

At least I did my part to defeat Dick Durbin (voted for Sauerberg
for the Senate seat).

118 opinionated  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:32:51am

Since Nov 2006 it has seemed likely that the next President would be a Democrat- and that was before Obama became a rock star.

I don't know why you would believe McCain is more likely to lead to a Democrat Presidency. No one has held a gun to the voters to date- and today to get them to choose McCain. Even with all that Romney seems to have going for him, he just does not sell. There is not a State Bush lost that he would win and there are States Bush won that he would lose.

McCain at least has a shot. And if a national security event occurs prior to Nov, a great shot.

If national security is the primary determinant when choosing a President- and I believe it should be absolutely- McCain has a distinct advantage in the coming race.

Flame away.

119 jemima  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:32:52am

I voted for Mitt. I was 2nd in line and the guy ahead of me, a Republican, had to try to vote for a Democrat which is not permitted in this state. So the machine that's way older than I am broke. They had to call and ask how fix it. Very entertaining and took my mind off the stomach churning possibility that either Hillary or Barry will get in.

120 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:32:57am

re: #77 Ringo the Gringo

I like you way to much to post the reflexive wise ass yes very funny answer.

If you are serious....
then I will refrain from profanity when I see you. If you are lurking, and I curse, you are on your effin' own and I don't want any surprise lectures.

121 Sifty  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:33:11am

Saw the story about DeNiro coming out for Obama. I love DeNiro's work, but damn he can be a dumbass sometimes.

122 republic  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:33:19am

re: #99 Honorary Yooper

Voted for Romney and all his delegates and alternate delegates from my district this morning. Will I lose sleep? No. I do this sans reservations.

If you vote in Illinois, be sure to vote for the candidates delegates, not just for the candidate himself.


I also voted for all Romney delegates.

123 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:33:23am

re: #102 Canadian Guy

Yep! Hemispheres. Just bought a ticket for the Philly show on June 14.

124 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:33:29am

re: #107 Ringo the Gringo

re: #95 coquimbojoe

Oh, and people are trying to draft Haley Barbour as the VP. Not a bad idea if you ask me.

I'd prefer Haile Selassie.

I like this Halle better, but my guess is she is a democrat...too bad

125 Shug  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:33:41am

I would like to thank the Fools in Michigan for making us the most irrelevent state in America this primary season

126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:33:45am

re: #111 Sharmuta

re: #93 littleoldlady

I agree- why should one state have more clout and more say than any other state? A handful of states later and my choices are already limited. I just don't think it's fair for the remainder of us out here.

Personally, I think the primary order should be created thru a lottery conducted January first the year of the election. Make it random and watch them scurry.

127 mattm  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:34:33am

re: #104 uriaheep

This election makes as much sense as a Hybrid Yukon.

I don't recall seeing any ads on the Super Bowl for fuel-efficient vehicles. What will a hybrid Yokon get? 20-25 MPG tops?

128 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:34:41am

re: #96 JammieWearingFool

loppyd--There's a really cool parade going on as we speak.

Cool parades, like these?

129 loppyd  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:35:03am

re: #88 JammieWearingFool

I wish Rudy actually campaigned. He'd have gotten my vote.

I'll be voting for Romney.

Good for you, Jammie!

We kept missing each other so I haven't had a chance to congratulate you on the Giants win. I guess it's a good thing I was so mentally and physically exhausted.....I was bummed, but not like I normally would be.

130 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:35:04am

re: #102 Canadian Guy

Anyone listening to Rush right now besides me?

Nope: Handell Aria Larghetto from Concerto Grosso by the Dreseden Symphonic Orchestra.

But I must say, some heavy bass from Geddy might add a little spice.

131 Shug  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:35:14am

re: #128 Honorary Yooper

how funny.
I'm watching it too!

132 Power Armored Lizardoid  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:35:19am

Cthulhu for President!

href="[Link: www.cthulhu.org...] target="_blank">Here are some of his stances on the issues...

133 Canadian Guy  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:35:21am

re: #123 Leonidas Hoplite

re: #102 Canadian Guy

Yep! Hemispheres. Just bought a ticket for the Philly show on June 14.

If you're not joking, I meant Elrushbo.

134 uriaheep  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:35:42am

re: #130 Creeping Eruption

You must be a Working Man.

135 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:36:05am

re: #130 Creeping Eruption

re: #102 Canadian Guy

Anyone listening to Rush right now besides me?

Nope: Handell Aria Larghetto from Concerto Grosso by the Dreseden Symphonic Orchestra.

But I must say, some heavy bass from Geddy might add a little spice.

Forgot the sarc tag.

136 littleoldlady  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:36:27am

re: #111 Sharmuta

We don't vote here until April 22!

/sob!

And I just KNOW that on April 21 the Philadelphia Inquirer is going to announce the winner of the Presidential race! :-(

137 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:36:31am

Charles-if you are around...I was wondering if you might add a category for Antisemitism to the links. Just a thought.

138 clgood  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:36:34am

I voted for Mitt this morning. Here's how I see it: He could make a pretty good president. McCain could make a good CINC, but a poor president.

And Hillary would be an awful president, while Obama would be a disaster.

Some choice.

139 mattm  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:36:43am

re: #114 republic

I just voted for Mitt Romney.

I will not stay home in November, staying home in November IS a vote for the socialist/leftist anti-Americans, staying home is a vote for possibly 3 left of Ginsberg justices.

No way!

I will not sit out a November election either. Too much at risk. If needed I will vote for a 3rd party candidate just so a Dem or McAmnesty gets fewer votes.

140 Sifty  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:36:43am

Lots of very good looking Republican women at the polls. Forgot to mention it. Democracy never looked so good.

Made me think of a great campaign idea if Romney hangs in there:

MILFS FOR MITT

141 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:36:50am

re: #134 uriaheep

re: #130 Creeping Eruption

You must be a Working Man.

When I'm not glued to my screen and LGF.

142 republic  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:36:54am

Bob Dole DID NOT endorse John McCain!

The media need to be straightened out!

NOW!

143 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:36:57am

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL! Although that might be highly entertaining, it would still land littleoldlady and I in the same spot or shift it to others. A limited field after only a few states have spoken. Basically- the primary season as it is now is analogous to what a popular vote would do in November- make only a handful of states important, must wins.

144 LeftJustAintRight  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:37:52am

re: #78 scottthecanuck


No Republican has a chance of carrying California against either Obama or Hillary.


Are you forgetting RINO Mc Caino ?

145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:38:10am

re: #132 Power Armored Lizardoid

I dont know, I think it could be Zod's year.

146 zmdavid  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:38:10am

re: #54 BabbaZee

re: #52 Ben Hur

I fucking told you they sucked.


The proper word is "inhaled".

147 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:38:11am

re: #88 JammieWearingFool

I wish Rudy actually campaigned. He'd have gotten my vote.

I'll be voting for Romney.

l couldn't agree more.

148 Bobibutu  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:38:12am

re: #138 clgood

Agreed - voted for Mitt this AM. Without any enthusiasm.

149 coquimbojoe  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:38:21am

re: #107 Ringo the Gringo

re: #95 coquimbojoe

Oh, and people are trying to draft Haley Barbour as the VP. Not a bad idea if you ask me.

I'd prefer Haile Selassie.

I and I will be votin' for Haile Selassie for de reggae ting. But I like Prezident Brown too.

150 loppyd  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:38:23am

re: #96 JammieWearingFool

loppyd--There's a really cool parade going on as we speak.

We've had six parades since 2001. 3 for the Pats and 2 for the Sox.

It's time you got one.

151 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:38:57am

re: #133 Canadian Guy

Wasn't joking. Ha! Every time, and I mean EVERY time, I hear the word Rush I think of the band. I'd like to listen to the other Rush, but I'd never get any work done and would probably end up disliking my left wing neighbors even more than I do already...

152 E.T.  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:39:35am

I just voted for Mitt in Ca. --- I do wish they would fix the delegate process.. either make it winner-take-all for ALL states or not ...open primaries in ALL states or not ... . what a $%^&@ mess.

153 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:39:37am

re: #120 BabbaZee

I read too many Henry Miller books when I was younger to be offended by nasty words. Hell, I've even inventeted a few of my own.

It's just that you're too good with words to resort to simple profanity.


OT - Some one posted this on an earlier dead thread: Middle school issues ban on intentional flatulence

154 loppyd  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:39:54am

Donger need food.

BBL

155 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:39:59am

re: #136 littleoldlady

I have never felt so betrayed by the primary system as I do this year. April? I guess by then your primary vote will be fairly mute. That's tragic in a democratic sense.

156 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:40:00am

re: #52 Ben Hur

Grateful Dead Grateful for Obama

Maybe this had something to do with Blues for Allah?

157 tripster  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:40:04am

re: #134 uriaheep

re: #130 Creeping Eruption

You must be a Working Man.

Did someone say Working Man?

158 musicman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:40:47am

re: #150 loppyd

re: #96 JammieWearingFool

loppyd--There's a really cool parade going on as we speak.

We've had six parades since 2001. 3 for the Pats and 2 for the Sox.

It's time you got one.

Loppyd, I have sent you and your brother an e-mail.

159 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:40:51am

re: #150 loppyd

re: #96 JammieWearingFool

loppyd--There's a really cool parade going on as we speak.

We've had six parades since 2001. 3 for the Pats and 2 for the Sox.

It's time you got one.

Well, since you mention it, NYC did have a run of 80+ years where we got all kinds of cool parades (from the moon landings to the Yanks winning, and winning some more (and more and more and more still) and you got to watch. We're just sharing the love...

160 alegrias  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:41:13am

re: #117 dm50462

Big empty space on the ballot where Duncan Hunter should have been. Threw up in my mouth a little bit and clicked on the Romney delegates (shiver).

Parking lot was full - had to wait nearly 10 minutes for a space. Feared the worst (this is Illinois and I was anticipating hordes of wild eyed Obamamaniacs), but all four precincts voting in the same room were - EMPTY! Kindergarten registration had taken up all the parking spaces in the municipal building’s two lots. No one was voting.

At least I did my part to defeat Dick Durbin (voted for Sauerberg
for the Senate seat).


* * *

Thank you brave one--No shivering! Mitt took on the Kennedy-Kerry Massachusetts machine, that took some guts.

161 Sifty  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:41:17am

re: #157 tripster

THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!

162 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:41:58am

re: #53 inkling

My suggestion for a Romney motto is "Vote for Mitt -- the best of what's left!"
(My original suggestion, "Mitt Romney: The Other White Meat", never caught on)

In the general election, it can be "Vote for Mitt - do you want {Osama or Hildemort, whoever wins the dhimmi nomination} in the White House?"

163 Da_Beerfreak  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:42:23am

What honors McCain won for himself as a POW he has since pissed away as a two-bit politician, just another Washington DC whore. He will not receive any respect from me. Piss on him and the msm bandwagon he rode in on!

164 Bard  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:42:30am

Charles, you spend too much time around the (frankly) anti-Mexican wing of the base. It's the moderates who have always decided elections, and McCain can win them.

For those of you who are going 'round calling him "McShamnesty", yep, I'd have to say he's for amnesty. However, amnesty - in conjunction with upping the border patrol, as McCain espouses - is the best damn way to solve the crisis.

Look at it this way: Who's more likely to pay taxes, to learn English and assimilate into American society, to report the criminals and terrorists in their midst, to feel loyalty towards their host country? The guy with the green card, or the guy looking warily over his shoulder at every turn, fearing that every native-born American he meets will send him back into poverty-ridden Mexico?

165 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:42:30am

re: #153 Ringo the Gringo

That's a relief.

I don't resort to it.
I use it as percussion.

166 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:42:56am

re: #157 tripster

re: #134 uriaheep

re: #130 Creeping Eruption

You must be a Working Man.

Did someone say Working Man?

I love those overhead shots of Peart. I think I am going to have to get some tickets again.

167 realwest  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:43:01am

re: #59 XMarine Hey XMarine - I'm in North Carolina too - we must have about 10 or so Lizards that I know of in this state!
I'm in the Charlotte area, how about yourself?

168 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:43:11am

re: #162 Kosh's Shadow

Vote for Mitt, he sucks less than the rest! Now, that is an inspirational slogan!

169 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:43:19am

May the People listen to Charles...

/and I really really liked the lines he has written to open this thread.

170 alegrias  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:43:30am

re: #142 republic

Bob Dole DID NOT endorse John McCain!

The media need to be straightened out!

NOW!

* * *
Bob Dole had McCain doing surrogate speeches for him in 1996.
Bob Dole supported McCain in early 2000 (at least he showed up at McCain campaign events).
Bob Dole respects a fellow veteran, as we all respect veterans' service.

171 uber_kuffar  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:43:33am

OT i read the petition about the wikipedia pics. it was annoying, so i started my own petition. if anyone wants in on it feel free :)

keep the pics up

172 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:44:16am

re: #157 tripster
Friggin' sweet! That ES-355 is gorgeous!

173 brooklyn redneck  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:45:17am

I'm a registered dummycrat (here in nyc you have to be if you want your vote to count) and I voted for obama. The thought of bill clinton back in the white house... ugh!

174 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:45:45am

Stone the unfaithful monkey!

175 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:46:03am
176 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:46:16am
If John McCain is the nominee, we’re going to have at least four years of a Democrat in the White House

Sorry Charles, every national poll I've seen shows that McCain does much better against Hillary and Obama than Romney does. Yes, yes, they are just polls, and they've been wrong before. But in this increasingly divided electorate, independents just keep getting more and more power. And McCain has independent appeal like none of the other 3 have (Obama has some, arguably, but Hillary is still the likely Dem candidate).

That said, I'm pulling the lever for Mitt, because I just plain like him more, but if the primary question is, "who can beat the Dems in November", I'm really not sure why the Lizard King has counted McCain out. None of the numbers support such a position.

177 vinny  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:46:20am

Delusional hope: I go to vote and fred and rudy are there to chose from. Reality: To hell with all these candidates. I refuse to eat this fly infested foul smelling sanwich.

If the voted turn out is historically low, maybe GOP will rethink their choices, and do it over?

178 snowcrash  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:46:24am

This isn't like the commercial for eharmony where you match 50 compatibility points (or some random number) to find someone perfect. This isn't a soul mate search..........yuck. It's more like MOOSECRIMP and that's fine with me. Hope Mitt is still a contender in March when I vote.

179 MikeySDCA  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:46:45am

Charles, if you're saying that McCain can't win, or you're saying McCain is a Democrat, you're wrong either way.

180 uriaheep  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:47:05am

I am going to hold my nose, vote, and listen to Alice Cooper's Elected on the way home.

181 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:47:40am

re: #180 uriaheep

[blink]

182 Charles  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:47:49am

re: #179 MikeySDCA

Charles, if you're saying that McCain can't win, or you're saying McCain is a Democrat, you're wrong either way.

I don't think McCain is a Democrat, but I do think he's unelectable.

183 Eowyn2  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:47:56am

re: #41 Ward Cleaver

re: #28 loppyd


re: #26 Ojoe

If Hillary is the Democrat choice for November, I think even McCain would win because many people would barf at the thought of Bill back in the White House.

Of course she could divorce him. It would take my breath away.


Mitt Romney said it best when he said he doesn't want to think about Bill Clinton in the White House with nothing to do.

Oh, she'd put him to work on some boondoggle.

/something that costs us money

Naturally he would be a paid assistant.

184 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:48:11am

re: #164 Bard

My opinion on john mccain runs far deeper than amnesty. In fact- I haven't liked the man (as a politician) since I realized I was a Republican. This man is no Republican- he's not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination. And frankly, if the so-called base of the Republican Party, the hard core Republicans, nominates this man- I'll seriously reconsider spending time working for the party.

185 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:48:23am

re: #164 Bard

Charles, you spend too much time around the (frankly) anti-Mexican wing of the base. It's the moderates who have always decided elections, and McCain can win them.

For those of you who are going 'round calling him "McShamnesty", yep, I'd have to say he's for amnesty. However, amnesty - in conjunction with upping the border patrol, as McCain espouses - is the best damn way to solve the crisis.

Look at it this way: Who's more likely to pay taxes, to learn English and assimilate into American society, to report the criminals and terrorists in their midst, to feel loyalty towards their host country? The guy with the green card, or the guy looking warily over his shoulder at every turn, fearing that every native-born American he meets will send him back into poverty-ridden Mexico?


Your assuming that someone who breaks our laws to get here and violates scores of other laws to gain employment, get a bank account and a social security number, will in the somehow magically gain respect for said laws and citizenship once they are granted them with a penstroke. Yeah I agree all those Mexican flags I see in peoples cars and in the immigration rallies will dissapear overnight once they are granted citizenship.
/

You are a fool.

186 Eowyn2  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:48:26am

re: #96 JammieWearingFool

loppyd--There's a really cool parade going on as we speak.


nothing like a little salt in the wound:)

be a good winner.

187 maddogg  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:48:35am

re: #164 Bard


Look at it this way: Who's more likely to pay taxes, to learn English and assimilate into American society, to report the criminals and terrorists in their midst, to feel loyalty towards their host country? The guy with the green card, or the guy looking warily over his shoulder at every turn, fearing that every native-born American he meets will send him back into poverty-ridden Mexico?

Right! All those protests where the illegals paraded around with Mexican flags really upped my "warm and fuzzy" meter into the red zone.
/not

188 uriaheep  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:48:44am

re: #181 BabbaZee

I knew I liked you.

189 alegrias  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:48:45am

re: #176 Lizard by the Bay

If John McCain is the nominee, we’re going to have at least four years of a Democrat in the White House

Sorry Charles, every national poll I've seen shows that McCain does much better against Hillary and Obama than Romney does. Yes, yes, they are just polls, and they've been wrong before. But in this increasingly divided electorate, independents just keep getting more and more power. And McCain has independent appeal like none of the other 3 have (Obama has some, arguably, but Hillary is still the likely Dem candidate).

That said, I'm pulling the lever for Mitt, because I just plain like him more, but if the primary question is, "who can beat the Dems in November", I'm really not sure why the Lizard King has counted McCain out. None of the numbers support such a position.


* * *

So glad Charles isn't following the polls.

190 badsysop  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:48:45am

re: #179 MikeySDCA

Charles, if you're saying that McCain can't win, or you're saying McCain is a Democrat, you're wrong either way.

McCain/Feingold
McCain/Kennedy

McCain sucks.

191 vinny  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:49:09am

could be a good trend: why is McCain unelectable in Nov?

192 Canadian Guy  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:49:38am

re: #179 MikeySDCA

Charles, if you're saying that McCain can't win, or you're saying McCain is a Democrat, you're wrong either way.

McCain's people reached out to Daschle in 2001 to probe him joining the Dems.

McCain's people had discussions with John Kerry about him being his running mate in 2004.

McCain says Hillary would make a great president.

McCain may not be in the Democratic party but he sure wants to be.

193 alegrias  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:49:57am

re: #177 vinny

Delusional hope: I go to vote and fred and rudy are there to chose from. Reality: To hell with all these candidates. I refuse to eat this fly infested foul smelling sanwich.

If the voted turn out is historically low, maybe GOP will rethink their choices, and do it over?

* * *
Yes, delusional hope. Head-in-sand too.

194 americanpundit  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:50:17am

West Virginia posted its initial results. Mitt came in first, Huckabee several points behind at second. However, no one candidate received over 50% of the vote, so they have to vote again.

195 uriaheep  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:50:18am

Has McCain ever spent that Keating money?

196 rappmandu  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:50:40am

Hillary is a Lump.

197 piraticalbob  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:50:48am

Well done, Charles. I myself supported Fred with my money (didn't get a chance to vote for him before he dropped out), at least you get a chance to register your disapproval of McCain.

Remember, everyone: we're not forced to choose McCain in a primary election. If we have to vote for him in the general, so be it; but the primary is different, and every vote today is more important than any primary vote in decades.

198 ec marm  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:51:02am

This lifetime Republican says he would never vote for McCain.
Bob Dole says Bob Dole would vote for him, though.

199 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:51:57am
President Joe once had a dream
The world held his hand, gave their pledge

So he told them his scheme for a saviour machine

They called it the prayer, its answer was law
Its logic stopped war, gave them food
How they adored till it cried in its boredom

please dont believe in me, please disagree with me
Life is too easy, a plague seems quite feasible now
Or maybe a war, or I may kill you all

Dont let me stay, dont let me stay
My logic says burn so send me away
Your minds are too green, I despise all Ive seen
You cant stake your lives on a saviour machine

I need you flying, and Ill show that dying
Is living beyond reason, sacred dimension of time
I perceive every sign, I can steal every mind

Dont let me stay, dont let me stay
My logic says burn so send me away
Your minds are too green, I despise all Ive seen
You cant stake your lives on a saviour machine

200 alegrias  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:52:07am

re: #192 Canadian Guy

re: #179 MikeySDCA


Charles, if you're saying that McCain can't win, or you're saying McCain is a Democrat, you're wrong either way.

McCain's people reached out to Daschle in 2001 to probe him joining the Dems.

McCain's people had discussions with John Kerry about him being his running mate in 2004.

McCain says Hillary would make a great president.

McCain may not be in the Democratic party but he sure wants to be.

* * *
McCain's wife Cindy said she and JOhn voted for Al Gore in 2000, NOT for the Republican candidate they were publicly "supporting" just barely.

201 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:52:28am

re: #188 uriaheep

thanks!

202 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:52:45am

Is it just me or does McCain remind you of a giant turkey?

203 opinionated  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:52:50am

re: #182 Charles

re: #179 MikeySDCA

Charles, if you're saying that McCain can't win, or you're saying McCain is a Democrat, you're wrong either way.
I don't think McCain is a Democrat, but I do think he's unelectable.

Seems to me that Romney going all out and still losing States he should have won -and this just in the Republican primary- shows him to be the unelectable one.

On the other hand, even as it is claimed that McCain only did as well as he did because of crossovers and independents, those crossovers are proof of McCain's more widespread appeal in the General.

204 Shug  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:53:14am

re: #200 alegrias

re: #192 Canadian Guy


re: #179 MikeySDCA

Charles, if you're saying that McCain can't win, or you're saying McCain is a Democrat, you're wrong either way.

McCain's people reached out to Daschle in 2001 to probe him joining the Dems.
McCain's people had discussions with John Kerry about him being his running mate in 2004.

McCain says Hillary would make a great president.

McCain may not be in the Democratic party but he sure wants to be.


* * *
McCain's wife Cindy said she and JOhn voted for Al Gore in 2000, NOT for the Republican candidate they were publicly "supporting" just barely.


That tells me is a petty sore loser more than it tells me he is a democrat

205 alegrias  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:53:44am

re: #195 uriaheep

Has McCain ever spent that Keating money?


* * *
Wasn't it accepting trips & stays in the Caribbean from Charles Keating that got him in trouble, in addition to going to a meeting at which Keating was giving legislators his crooked pitch?

206 snowcrash  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:53:47am

re: #202 SecretInternetDoucheBag
Nope, just an old, bitter Charlie Brown.

207 yochanan  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:53:51am

i just voted for JOHN MCCAIN and i did not do it with any reserations. if some don't like i don't care.

R.I.N.O./D.I.N.O. UNITE!

The only issues i care about are the WAR AGAINST ISLMO FASCISM if we lose that not else much matters the palocons who stay home will elect a democrat who will lose the WAR AGAINST ISLMO FASCISM. they don't even think we are in a war.

208 brooklyn redneck  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:54:02am

re: #164 Bard
I dont have a problem granting amnesty to the mexicans, who for the most part are honest and hard-working. I'm just afraid if we give them amnesty, some time in the future we will grant amnesty to 20 million muslims. That would be a problem.

209 Eowyn2  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:54:17am

re: #189 alegrias

re: #176 Lizard by the Bay


If John McCain is the nominee, we’re going to have at least four years of a Democrat in the White House

Sorry Charles, every national poll I've seen shows that McCain does much better against Hillary and Obama than Romney does. Yes, yes, they are just polls, and they've been wrong before. But in this increasingly divided electorate, independents just keep getting more and more power. And McCain has independent appeal like none of the other 3 have (Obama has some, arguably, but Hillary is still the likely Dem candidate).
That said, I'm pulling the lever for Mitt, because I just plain like him more, but if the primary question is, "who can beat the Dems in November", I'm really not sure why the Lizard King has counted McCain out. None of the numbers support such a position.

* * *

So glad Charles isn't following the polls.

agreed.

How many people are home during 8 and 5 eastern, M-F with land lines that they answer? How many working stiffs, business owners, etc dot even have a land line except for internet hookup.


LGF Poll: How many lizards have a regular phone land line

210 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:54:25am

re: #206 snowcrash

an old, bitter Charlie Brown


oh ho hoho rotf

211 Silhouette  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:54:35am

re: #194 americanpundit

West Virginia posted its initial results. Mitt came in first, Huckabee several points behind at second. However, no one candidate received over 50% of the vote, so they have to vote again.

That is great news. I was afraid that McCain had fooled most of those who only get their news from The News.

212 bulwrk  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:54:38am

re: #164 Bard

Look at it this way: Who's more likely to pay taxes, to learn English and assimilate into American society, to report the criminals and terrorists in their midst, to feel loyalty towards their host country? The guy with the green card, or the guy looking warily over his shoulder at every turn, fearing that every native-born American he meets will send him back into poverty-ridden Mexico?


I take it you don't live in the American Southwest, I do, and I for one do not see any sense loyalty to the host country. Most illegal immigrants of Mexican heritage I have come across feel that the Southwest is part of the historical Mexican homeland taken from them after the Mexican American War.

213 americanpundit  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:54:44am
#207 yochanan

Part of the war is securing the border, keeping Gitmo open, and using enhanced interrogation when necessary.

214 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:55:07am

If McCain gets the nod, I will vote for him and I will even volunteer to help his campaign...No matter how bad he might be or seem, it will be 100000000% better than the alternative. Say, "President McCain"....now say "President Obama" or "President Clinton"......which one sounds better?

215 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:55:14am

re: #192 Canadian Guy

McCain's people had discussions with John Kerry about him being his running mate in 2004.

As I recall, that was Kerry's wet dream, it was the Kerry team who made the gesture, and McCain who flatly turned it down.

McCain may not be in the Democratic party but he sure wants to be.

He's had untold chances to switch, and never has. He's never even been close to being as liberal as other Senate "Republicans" like Snowe, Chafee, and Specter.

Look, there's already plenty of real things to bash McCain on. Do we really need to make shit up, too?

216 badsysop  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:55:29am

re: #202 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Is it just me or does McCain remind you of a giant turkey?

He reminds me of a neighbor I used to have when I was a kid. He would meticulously maintain his lawn and run at children with a rake in his hand shouting obscenities if they even glanced over at it af it they would step on it.

He is an angry, senile man. He very much appears like a guy who would want to clean your clock if you disagreed with him rather than compromise. There is no hope for him on the immigration issue. He's pathetic.

217 rappmandu  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:55:34am

Huck is Gump.

218 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:55:54am

re: #206 snowcrash

re: #202 SecretInternetDoucheBag
Nope, just an old, bitter Charlie Brown.

Well heres to hoping Mitt Romney picks up the football right before McCain kicks the field goal.

219 vinny  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:56:05am

re polls:
Guliani was ahead by double digits several months ago. The polls about who is a more electable republican are meaningless now.

220 yesandno  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:56:14am

re: #5 Leonidas Hoplite

I voted for Mitt at 6:10AM in NY...anyone hearing anything on early returns?

Early returns are exit polls used to convince everyone that the election is over.

Don't pay attention to them. The actual counting takes place when the polls close. There will be enough media manipulation then without giving a false sense of the day before the West Coast is actually up and about with vigor.

221 alegrias  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:56:28am

re: #203 opinionated

re: #182 Charles


re: #179 MikeySDCA
Charles, if you're saying that McCain can't win, or you're saying McCain is a Democrat, you're wrong either way.
I don't think McCain is a Democrat, but I do think he's unelectable.

Seems to me that Romney going all out and still losing States he should have won -and this just in the Republican primary- shows him to be the unelectable one.

On the other hand, even as it is claimed that McCain only did as well as he did because of crossovers and independents, those crossovers are proof of McCain's more widespread appeal in the General.

* * *
McCain's been campaigning for president for eight years on your tax dollars, collecting chits from candidates by speaking at their fundraisers and opening his Straight Talk bus to all press people at all hours.

Quien es el mass media machine que McCain? He's got 30 years angling for influence in Washington DC and ON TV.

222 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:56:55am

I don't really think of it in terms of strategy or parties. For me it's "Which of these six people do you want to be President"?

Romney - Underconfident, yet somehow weasely businessman.
McCain - Showboating, egotistical Demopublican shamnesty psycho.
Hillary - Statist, closet Maoist with a mile-wide jackboot streak and man issues.
Obama - Statist, naive establishment Democrat with a cabinet full of Jew-haters, passing himself off as something different (! LOL).
Huckabee - Showboating Demopublican preacher man.
Ron Paul - Nuts.

Romney is the least repulsive out of all of them. It's a simple choice.

223 shanimal1918  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:56:59am

Voting for Mitt is a good thing, those who think it's not a good thing have been probably reading AP, NY Times, Boston Globe, and watching too much CNN, NBC News, MSNBC, etc.

224 Sifty  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:57:09am

re: #164 Bard

The sheer volume of wishful thinking, outright fantasy, and statistically- provable falsehood contained in that little story could provide enough fodder to fill several books.

I don't have the patience to try and color the sky blue on your planet, so I'll just call bullshit and hope that you can eventually see what is really happening to this country because of ILLEGAL immigration. Don't believe the La Raza sunshine-happiness-peace-love-unity BS.

And if this isn't enough, drive down Van Nuys Blvd.

225 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:58:13am

re: #215 Lizard by the Bay

re: #192 Canadian Guy


McCain's people had discussions with John Kerry about him being his running mate in 2004.

As I recall, that was Kerry's wet dream, it was the Kerry team who made the gesture, and McCain who flatly turned it down.

McCain may not be in the Democratic party but he sure wants to be.

He's had untold chances to switch, and never has. He's never even been close to being as liberal as other Senate "Republicans" like Snowe, Chafee, and Specter.

Look, there's already plenty of real things to bash McCain on. Do we really need to make shit up, too?

Yes we do...

McCain just announced that he is going to support Hillary in the upcoming election.

/s

Walter in Golden, Co.

226 Silhouette  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:58:32am

re: #209 Eowyn2

LGF Poll: How many lizards have a regular phone land line

I have a landline still. I was polled on my presidential preference twice so far, both during the day when I played hooky with the kids.

227 nycat  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:59:20am

Mitt is a good name for Romney. He is like a brand new baseball mitt. Looks good, looks like a keeper, but has no history, no substance, no soul, nothing to hang your hat on. He looks and says what he needs to to look good, but stands for nothing. McCain may not be conservative for many of you but is the best choice we have. He is a caring mature good American. He will do his darndest to do a good job and surround himself with the best people.
No to Romney, Yes to McCain.

228 Charles  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:59:22am

re: #176 Lizard by the Bay

If John McCain is the nominee, we’re going to have at least four years of a Democrat in the White House

Sorry Charles, every national poll I've seen shows that McCain does much better against Hillary and Obama than Romney does. Yes, yes, they are just polls, and they've been wrong before. But in this increasingly divided electorate, independents just keep getting more and more power. And McCain has independent appeal like none of the other 3 have (Obama has some, arguably, but Hillary is still the likely Dem candidate).

That said, I'm pulling the lever for Mitt, because I just plain like him more, but if the primary question is, "who can beat the Dems in November", I'm really not sure why the Lizard King has counted McCain out. None of the numbers support such a position.

I've seen those polls, but I think that's a very fuzzy statistic (not a binary choice, like "which candidate will you vote for?") and probably worthless as a predictor of events. And I wouldn't care anyway, to be honest. My feeling that McCain is unelectable isn't based on a poll.

229 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:59:37am

re: #209 Eowyn2

LGF Poll: How many lizards have a regular phone land line


Me.
I do not even own a cell phone.

230 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 9:59:57am

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231 Bard  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:00:12am

re: #185 SecretInternetDoucheBag

So anyone who breaks the law is by definition scum by your book, no matter that the laws are patently unjust and breaking them is about the only way to provide a livelihood for your family? And you don't relize those illegal immigrants who break the just laws, the ones against crimes with victims rather than beneficiaries, escape justice because the people who would inform on them broke said unjust laws? (Upping the legal immigration quota would really help there - sadly, the only candidates I've seen mention that one are Obama and Huckabee.)

Judging Mexicans by the Aztlan douchebags is like judging black people by Louis Farrakhan. And if the Aztlan douchebags hurt someone, that's when we deal with them, rather than preemptively assuming every single Mexican is one of them.

232 littleoldlady  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:00:47am

re: #222 Pawn of the Oppressor

I don't really think of it in terms of strategy or parties. For me it's "Which of these six people do you want to be President"?

Answer: "The least repulsive."

we are so f*cked. :-(

233 americanpundit  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:00:55am
re: #215 Lizard by the Bay

He's had untold chances to switch, and never has. He's never even been close to being as liberal as other Senate "Republicans" like Snowe, Chafee, and Specter.

His chief strategist even admitted McCain considered switching to Dems, as highlighted by Drudge the other day.

The irony here? McCain voted with the same people you just mentioned, voting against the Right. Chafee on tax cuts, Specter on Immigration, and is a member of the Gang of 14 along with Snowe.

234 realwest  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:01:12am

re: #164 Bard With all due respect, there is no "anti-Mexican" wing or part of LGF or the Republican Party. There is a LARGE part of LGF and the Republican Party that is against illegal immigration.
But I don't like McCain because of McCain- Feingold (a/k/a "McCain's Apology for the Keating Five"), his long time habit of voting across the aisle and his friendships and political work with Teddy Kennedy and John Kerry. Plus he hasn't got a CLUE about domestic problems such as the Recession we are going into.

235 BengalsFan  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:01:20am

Well first off as a Kalifornian I will not vote for McAmnesty or CDL's for any illegal immigrant (No Matter where their from).

My wife when we first got together was more Lib but I never held it against her. Now she's a Rep... God I love her! We both filled in the dots along with our 4 1/2 year old daughter this morning for Mitt.

We take our daughter with us for every vote that comes up so that she knows that it is every person right and responsibility to vote. she walked into her preschool after we voted and showed all her friends her sticker she got for voting.

I know I live in Kalifornia but I will never give up hope on it!

236 Shug  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:01:41am

re: #209 Eowyn2

LGF Poll: How many lizards have a regular phone land line

Not me. Haven't for 7 years.
Don't miss it at all.

telemarketers? What are they?

237 uriaheep  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:01:51am

Why is it lately we have to vote against someone and not for someone?

238 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:02:11am
239 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:02:13am

re: #212 bulwrk

re: #164 Bard

Look at it this way: Who's more likely to pay taxes, to learn English and assimilate into American society, to report the criminals and terrorists in their midst, to feel loyalty towards their host country? The guy with the green card, or the guy looking warily over his shoulder at every turn, fearing that every native-born American he meets will send him back into poverty-ridden Mexico?


I take it you don't live in the American Southwest, I do, and I for one do not see any sense loyalty to the host country. Most illegal immigrants of Mexican heritage I have come across feel that the Southwest is part of the historical Mexican homeland taken from them after the Mexican American War.

I was at the Ft. Worth stock show this weekend and I saw a white kid with an Eddie Guerrero memorial shirt bearing the slogan "Viva La Raza". WTF?

Then there's the Mexican flags in the windows in the apartments on the south side of 30...

The problem isn't immigration, it's integration, and until we find a way to encourage it without turning into a third-world rathole built on a servus class of non-persons, amnesties and other forms of exploitation remain firmly in the "Bad Idea" category.

240 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:02:16am

re: #236 Shug

caller ID takes care of that, you just don't pick up.
After a while, it stops altogether

241 xtraBilly  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:02:18am

re: #230 MandyManners

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242 jcm  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:02:25am

re: #229 BabbaZee

re: #209 Eowyn2

LGF Poll: How many lizards have a regular phone land line


Me.
I do not even own a cell phone.

Finally gave in and got a pre paid cell... three people have the number, wife, day care and a disabled co-worker who calls when she needs help. 30 minutes a month and have time left over.

243 americanpundit  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:02:35am
#228 Charles

Right on. I'd remind people that the head-to-head polls showed Carter steamrolling Reagan, and Ronny and Mondale coming in close.

244 akak  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:02:38am

Don't worry LGF when McShamnesty goes thru and 20 million illegals get to vote, you won't need to worry. Demonrat after Demonrat

245 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:02:39am

re: #237 uriaheep

Why is it lately we have to vote against someone and not for someone?

Because decent, capable men and women are too smart to run for office.

246 Eowyn2  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:03:06am

re: #222 Pawn of the Oppressor

why do you say "weasley businessman"

247 maddogg  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:03:09am

McCain is an asshole, he's really consistant on that.

248 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:03:27am
249 bosforus  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:03:32am

Hiya lizard buddies! (so much time passes between my comments that I always feel that I have to greet everyone)

Anyone know a good website with some pretty up to date exit polls? or should I just defer to cnn?

250 realwest  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:03:35am

Um, Charles - how about a post polling LGFer's on their choices TODAY and possible votes on probable match-ups on Election Day?
Or even just a new thread about anything?!

251 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:03:49am

re: #242 jcm

It's a miracle people lived and were well before they could have a phone stuck to their face 24-7.
bah.

252 albigensian  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:04:03am

I don't know about The Revolution, but, the election will be televised. That being the case, I cannot imagine Ol' Liver Spots (McCain) winning against Obama.

And, I'm not looking forward to President Obama. I expect his foreign policy will make Jimmy Carter look like a warlord- there won't be a 2-bit bully anywhere who won't realize that this president will not use military force. For anything, at any time, for any reason.

And if his Chicago political background is any guide, we can expect his domestic politics to be old-school, big-entitlement Liberalism-- as indicated by his ties to ACORN, and other successors of the old welfare-rights movements.

The irony is, his campaign keeps talking about "change," yet, objectively, there's nothing new here- just another old-school Democrat like Dukakis, or Mondale.

For all that, his ability to project his personality is just off the charts. Against a weak candidate like McCain, it'll be enough to take him to the White House.

253 Jinx  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:04:21am

re: #182 Charles

It's not that he's a democrat, it's that he is a "maverik" who does his own thing regardless of whether it is good for the country. Look at McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-etc, the gang of 14, the list goes on. His record stands for itself. Since he lost the bid in 2000 he's thrown a shit fit and made the republicans suffer for it.

People complain about Bush being hard to handle and won't do what the msm wants. Well, when McCain won't do what the msm wants (which may be a rare occurence since he likes to toe the democrat line on a lot of issues) we'll see him throw his famous tantrums.

What will happen when he meets with other world leaders and has a disagreement? Will he blow up at them, insulting them, throwing vulgarity and profanity at them, all because he has anger management issues? What will happen when he meets with Russia's soon to be ex-president and soon-to-be PM Putin and they disagree? Putin may simply put the brash idiot in a judo lock and then we'd be involved in a hot war.

I've seen McCain's record, his temper, and his stances and I find them lacking. I simply don't trust him on anything.

I will be voting for Mitt today.

254 RTLM  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:04:32am

Michael Ramirez on McCain

And an email I got fro the John McCain campaign.

Today, California voters will help pick our next commander in chief. It is an important responsibility that you shoulder with insight, thoughtfulness and respect, and I want to encourage you to vote today, February 5th. To get more information about our team, please click here or email my team at california@johnmccain.com.
The issues at stake in this election are enormous. Our country is fighting a global war against radical Islamic extremism. Our government has lost the people's trust and confidence. The values we share as a nation, the values that have kept us strong for over 200 years, are being re-shaped through unwarranted judicial activism. While Americans struggle with these burdens, Washington politicians bicker among themselves to grab the slightest short-term political advantage, putting the priorities of the nation on hold.

I have had the great honor of serving our country all my adult life. I have never lived a day, in good times or bad, when I was not grateful for the privilege. Now, I ask for your support and the opportunity to serve again - this time as your president.

As thousands of California's sons and daughters risk their lives to defend us, our purpose cannot be ours alone. America is our cause; her greatness our hope, her strength our protection, her goodness the hope of mankind.

That is why I run for president, because the greatest days of our great nation lay ahead. I have the experience, the knowledge and the courage to make the tough decisions and I ask for your vote and support in today's election.

Sincerely,
John McCain

Then man touts his Military Service more than his almost Running Mate, John Kerry.

Ask McCain's first wife how good he was at keeping his pants on around other women when he was a Squadron Commander in JAX.

255 acwgusa  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:05:01am

re: #235 BengalsFan

I've given up on California mostly because of Governor Steroid. He is an absolute jackass.

256 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:05:04am

re: #242 jcm
I didnt mean bah on you btw

lol

257 Cpt. Disco  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:05:08am

"I don't know about you, but I'm impatient with those Republicans who, after the last election, rushed into print saying we must broaden the base of our party, when what they meant was to fuzz up and blur even more the differences between ourselves and our opponents." -- Ronald Reagan

Lessons from the past have not been learned.

258 vinny  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:05:31am

re: 230 mandymanners,

God bless you.

259 yesandno  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:05:48am

re: #215 Lizard by the Bay

re: #192 Canadian Guy


McCain's people had discussions with John Kerry about him being his running mate in 2004.

As I recall, that was Kerry's wet dream, it was the Kerry team who made the gesture, and McCain who flatly turned it down.

McCain may not be in the Democratic party but he sure wants to be.

He's had untold chances to switch, and never has. He's never even been close to being as liberal as other Senate "Republicans" like Snowe, Chafee, and Specter.

Look, there's already plenty of real things to bash McCain on. Do we really need to make shit up, too?


None less then Tom Daschle stated that McCain's chief of staff approached him about the possibility of McCain jumping out of the Republican party (probably to an Independent) when the Dem's went out after Chaffee and Jeffords to regain the Senate. Jeffords went so McCain wasn't needed. However it was MCCAIN'S people who went to Daschle while Daschle's people went after Jeffords and Chaffee....

Not making up stories....McCain is a Democrat in Republican clothing....(Back when he became a Rep. it was possible to be a conservative Democrat. But remember he was running from the position of son-in-law to a lot of money)

260 zmdavid  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:05:58am

re: #209 Eowyn2

LGF Poll: How many lizards have a regular phone land line


Only a landline here.

261 americanpundit  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:06:01am
#249 bosforus

We won't have exit polls for a while, and even then be cautious: Bush was predicted to lose to Kerry based on the '04 exit polls.

Anyway, I usually just watch Fox or CNN if I want to catch up on them. I haven't yet found a good website.

262 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:06:01am

re: #233 americanpundit

The irony here? McCain voted with the same people you just mentioned, voting against the Right. Chafee on tax cuts, Specter on Immigration, and is a member of the Gang of 14 along with Snowe.

Wow, you mean McCain made a deal that prevented a nuclear option that would have stripped the current Republican Senate minority of their ability to filibuster? How dare he?

If a Dem is sworn in next January (very possible), and the Senate stays in their hands (very likely), you should get down on your hands and knees and kiss John McCain's sagging butt-cheeks for making that deal. Unless you like Obama's choices for the 7th Sharia Distrcit Court rammed down our throats without discussion.

263 Shug  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:06:20am

re: #240 BabbaZee

re: #236 Shug

caller ID takes care of that, you just don't pick up.
After a while, it stops altogether


I'm too lazy even for that

264 Jinx  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:06:26am

re: #230 MandyManners

To paraphrase Al Bore:

He BETRAYED our country!

He played on our Hopes!

/sorry couldn't help it. I'm very disappointed in Rudy for dropping out and then endorsing McCain.

265 AGE1607  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:06:41am

Charles
I believe your most important vote today is on the Gambling and Term limit propositions.

266 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:06:43am

Reality is vastly over-rated.

267 Eowyn2  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:06:44am

re: #226 Silhouette

re: #209 Eowyn2


LGF Poll: How many lizards have a regular phone land line

I have a landline still. I was polled on my presidential preference twice so far, both during the day when I played hooky with the kids.

So far we have
1 with land line who has actually been polled
1 without land line who, even when she had a land line was nevery polled

268 Bard  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:06:50am

re: #239 Pawn of the Oppressor


The problem isn't immigration, it's integration, and until we find a way to encourage it without turning into a third-world rathole built on a servus class of non-persons, amnesties and other forms of exploitation remain firmly in the "Bad Idea" category.

Integration, as I say, is buttloads easier when you can speak to members of the dominant culture without fearing being turned in to the INS.

269 yochanan  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:06:58am

the way the shrill right sounds maybe they should start there own party

the way this looks i feel sorry for them and America because it looks like we will have 8 years of defeatist democrats

270 Roger  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:07:05am

A cabinet made up of the Keating Five. Hang on to your wallets! ...hmmm. where is mine?

271 nycat  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:07:11am

re: #230 MandyManners

Sorry to say but Rudy had bad advice on his campaign. He was in hiding and that is a nono.

272 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:07:16am

re: #231 Bard

re: #185 SecretInternetDoucheBag

So anyone who breaks the law is by definition scum by your book, no matter that the laws are patently unjust and breaking them is about the only way to provide a livelihood for your family? And you don't relize those illegal immigrants who break the just laws, the ones against crimes with victims rather than beneficiaries, escape justice because the people who would inform on them broke said unjust laws? (Upping the legal immigration quota would really help there - sadly, the only candidates I've seen mention that one are Obama and Huckabee.)

Judging Mexicans by the Aztlan douchebags is like judging black people by Louis Farrakhan. And if the Aztlan douchebags hurt someone, that's when we deal with them, rather than preemptively assuming every single Mexican is one of them.


I guess you are the one who gets to determine which laws are just and which laws are not. If the majority of people thought like you I would be pushing 2 for English when I called 411.
By the way since when are borders and immigration laws "patently" unjust? If that is so whats the whole border and national sovereignty thing for anyway?

273 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:08:04am

re: #227 nycat

He is a caring

Caring for who? The conservative base that theoretically distinguishes one party from another? Nope. Sorry.

mature

"F-ck you, I know more about this issue than anybody"

good American.

I'll hand you that. He is a uniquely American product. Fighter jock, politician, professional asshole. We make 'em like no other.

Just because he can succeed as President doesn't mean he should.

274 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:08:14am
No man's a jester playing Shakespeare
Round your throne room floor

While the juggler's act is danced upon
The crown that you once wore

And sooner or later
Everybody's kingdom must end
And I'm so afraid your courtiers
Cannot be called best friends

Caesar's had your troubles
Widows had to cry
While mercenaries in cloisters sing
And the king must die

Some men are better staying sailors
Take my word and go
But tell the ostler that his name was
The very first they chose

And if my hands are stained forever
And the altar should refuse me
Would you let me in, would you let me in, would you let me in
Should I cry sanctuary

No man's a jester playing Shakespeare
Round your throne room floor
While the juggler's act is danced upon
The crown that you once wore

The king is dead, the king is dead
The king is dead, the king is dead
Long live the king

275 jemima  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:08:16am

I hate the telephone. I have the cheapest one available at Walmart. It plugs into the wall and works when the power goes out. I don't have a clue how a cell phone works, don't want one to find out. (I do have a DSL connection tho, that's the only good thing about the telephone)

276 uriaheep  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:08:21am

Don't worry about Obama being President, Nancy and Harry are in charge of Congress.

/shiver

277 vinny  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:08:30am

re: #266 MandyManners


But eventually we all have to face it. I guess the decision will be made at the voting booth for me.

278 bosforus  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:08:35am

re: #261 americanpundit

#249 bosforus

We won't have exit polls for a while, and even then be cautious: Bush was predicted to lose to Kerry based on the '04 exit polls.

Anyway, I usually just watch Fox or CNN if I want to catch up on them. I haven't yet found a good website.

Yeah, I realize that, but I just need some form of mild entertainment while I'm at work. :)

279 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:08:58am

Now I know how Zell Miller must have felt.....

280 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:09:09am

Look, 2008 was not a year the GOP was going to run someone popular with the base. As long as they are facing the Clinton/Soros Machine, and there is every reason to believe that if the GOP wins in 2008 they won't have to face it afterwards, the 2008 candidates needed to be media-proof.

Mister (or Ms) Thee Perfecte Conservative isn't gonna do us any good if:

His first wife kicked up a bunch of BS accusations during their divorce

Her kid has a drug habit

His best friend and campaign manager he won't check his watch without consulting is gay

She has a nasty tendency to disgruntle her staff


and so on...

There's enough with any of the above situations for the media machine to distort into a scandal. Macaca, anybody?

281 realwest  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:09:12am

re: #245 Sharmuta I agree but would simply add that they are also too principled to ever be elected.

282 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:09:12am

re: #263 Shug

lol shug

283 rappmandu  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:09:18am

Once again, voting out the incumbent is the best choice.

284 badsysop  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:09:27am

Also we shouldn't forget this history:

President / Public Office Last Held Before Being Elected

George W. Bush = Governor
Bill "Slick Willie" Clinton = Governor
George HW. Bush = Vice President
Ronald Reagan = Governor
Jimmy "Kill the Jews" Carter = Governor
Gerald Ford = Vice President
Richard Nixon = Vice President
Lyndon B. Johnson = Senator

You have to go back to 1964 before you get a President that previously held a position in the Senate to win the election. House Of Representatives? Fahgetabaughdit.

285 mikeysdca  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:09:46am

re: #260 zmdavid

re: #209 Eowyn2


LGF Poll: How many lizards have a regular phone land line


Only a landline here.

Only a landline here. I've never touched a cell phone, even in a store.

286 americanpundit  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:09:54am
#262 Lizard by the Bay

I didn't criticize the Gang of 14. You said:


He's never even been close to being as liberal as other Senate "Republicans" like Snowe, Chafee, and Specter.

I pointed out that he's taken unpopular positions alongside with every single one of the people you listed as people who called themselves Republicans. His position with Snowe is one of the least problems I have with the man.

287 jayzee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:10:00am

I am actually very upset about today. I still haven't made up my mind. That being said, I did just hear a glowing endorsement for McCain. An Egyptian guy I work with, who is still registered republican said that he will vote today, for RON PAUL because he refuses to give his vote to the war monger McCain. So he has that going for him.

288 Eowyn2  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:10:09am

re: #236 Shug

re: #209 Eowyn2


LGF Poll: How many lizards have a regular phone land line

Not me. Haven't for 7 years.
Don't miss it at all.

telemarketers? What are they?

I'm with you. I last had a land line in June of 2001.
I travel in the mountains and am very glad I have a cell phone.
I dont miss my land line at all
I dont have strange callers wanting to know what I am wearing
I no longer have theives using my phone number when applying for credit.

289 MrMom  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:10:20am

re: #266 MandyManners

Reality is vastly over-rated.


Heh. Nomination for rotating title.

290 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:10:22am
291 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:10:46am

Another intelligence agency has released a report,

Annual Threat Assessment of the Director of National Intelligence -for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

Over the past year we have gained important new insights into Tehran’s activities related to nuclear weapons and the
Community recently published a National Intelligence Estimate
on Iranian intent and capabilities in this area. I want to be very
clear in addressing the Iranian nuclear capability. First, there
are three parts to an effective nuclear weapons capability:

1. Production of fissile material
2. Effective means for weapons delivery
3. Design and weaponization of the warhead itself

We assess in our recent NIE on this subject that warhead
design and weaponization were halted, along with covert
military uranium conversion- and enrichment-related activities.
Declared uranium enrichment efforts, which will enable the
production of fissile material, continue. This is the most
difficult challenge in nuclear production. Iran’s efforts to
perfect ballistic missiles that can reach North Africa and Europe
also continue.

This statement clarifies the misread NIE: Iran is continuing work on nuclear weapons. There is a moderate level confidence in the possibility Iran temporarily halted, but did not permanently stop, the nuclear warhead part of the program. All other phases of the Iranian nuclear weapons program are moving forward.

292 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:10:50am

re: #267 Eowyn2

re: #226 Silhouette


re: #209 Eowyn2

LGF Poll: How many lizards have a regular phone land line

I have a landline still. I was polled on my presidential preference twice so far, both during the day when I played hooky with the kids.

So far we have
1 with land line who has actually been polled
1 without land line who, even when she had a land line was nevery polled

Got a land line, never been polled

293 realwest  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:10:54am

re: #260 zmdavid Only landline here.

294 BengalsFan  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:10:57am

re: #255 acwgusa

I dont Blame you! I aint to happy with the GovaNator either...

295 Yank in the EU  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:11:03am

It's been a strange year for politics in my book.

I started off being positively impressed by no one at all. Then Fred caught my attention and was the most steadfast in a number of key issues. Fred, one might conjecture, could have been a savvy and Reaganesque protagonist in the GE against the leftist Dems who unified the various factions on the right. But he gave a lackluster, sleepy effort in the early primaries, started way too late, and campaigned with too little money.

The only shock has been the success of the mainstream media's resurrection of John McCain as their dream GOP opponent. If one does his / her homework into the serious problems with McCain -- e.g. says he would again sign the same Kennedy-Amnesty bill, lies about his opponents, lies about his leftist record on taxes and in fact did use class-warfare arguments against the free-market philosophy often, et cetera -- one realizes that he is a terrible statesman and would get thrashed in the GE. His war hero status can only deflect arguments against his liberal views for so long. One must hand one thing to McCain, however: he is no doubt strong on the Iraq war.

Finally, Mitt Romney has been the only candidate to improve in standing with me, beginning with his speech on religion in the US, in which it was made clear that he is running not as a Mormon but as an American. That's a great message and the direct opposite of Dem and Euro-style identity politics. Like Reagan, he was a governor of a liberal state and since that time has moved toward more social conservative positions. Fine. Conservatives should send the message that evolution is welcomed.

Mitt is clearly a man of good character, albeit a little cerebral / crafted / artificial in presentation style. In terms of achievement and general ability there is no better. Mitt is an eloquent and persuasive advocate of many conservative positions, which would serve the conservative moment well in a general election. His defense of the free-market system which strengthen's the US's fighting power and provides opportunity for all Americans is vital. I consider the conservative moment in its three major facets (hawkish foreign policy on jihad, free-market economics, traditional values-religion) as necessary for saving the West from socialism. Thus we must not only consider the Iraq war on this question of the war against radical Islam. As Santorum remarked, Mitt is strong in the war on radical Islam and he speaks bluntly enough about the nature of the enemy.

The only argument I would consider for Mac is that he has a more realistic chance to beat the Dems. Medved may have a point here, though he has been uncharacteristically wrong on facts regarding McCain lately. Yet again, doing one's homework on this (reading realclearpolitics' analysis) reveals that independents, Hispanics and pensioners on the moderate-right who are angry with Bush are probably not going to be enough to carry the weight against the Dems. There is something to the argument also that Huckleberry is pulling voters away from Romney, despite Medved's ardent efforts to prove otherwise by statistics. The key problem with McCain in general is that people with conservative ideas and who follow politics can note a long string of absolutely damning facts in Mac's record, which is fatal for a general election on the GOP side.

Vote for Mitt.

296 gunner  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:11:12am

245 Sharmuta

re: #237 uriaheep

Why is it lately we have to vote against someone and not for someone?

Because decent, capable men and women are too smart to run for office.


i agree, the fact that most people do not want their lives examined under a microscope by every media type and others precludes the fact they stay far away from the circus. yet it is this aspect that harms our country by denying the very best from giving their all.

297 Dave the.....  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:11:22am

As far as spending in Minnesota goes:

Obie is on several radio stations several times an hour. He is loaded and spending it.

Ron Paul has a few ads out and lots of direct mail.

Mitt has Hugh Hewitt and Laura Ingrham.

Ron Paul supporters had signs on two freeway over passes that I saw this morning. You know, the bedsheet signs.

298 bulwrk  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:12:03am

re: #268 Bard

re: #239 Pawn of the Oppressor



The problem isn't immigration, it's integration, and until we find a way to encourage it without turning into a third-world rathole built on a servus class of non-persons, amnesties and other forms of exploitation remain firmly in the "Bad Idea" category.

Integration, as I say, is buttloads easier when you can speak to members of the dominant culture without fearing being turned in to the INS.


No its easier when you have done things legally to begin with.

299 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:12:10am

re: #273 Pawn of the Oppressor

You know, sometimes I think that if Bush were half the asshole that everybody says McCain is, he might have actually been a more effective President.

300 Bard  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:12:22am

re: #272 SecretInternetDoucheBag


By the way since when are borders and immigration laws "patently" unjust? If that is so whats the whole border and national sovereignty thing for anyway?

They're patently unjust in conjunction with the fifteen-year waiting list for legal immigration from places like Mexico. If legal immigration were at all a feasible method of getting out of the third world, immigration laws wouldn't have a problem.

Regarding the English thing - again, why bother learning English when you're safest if you stick to your own and you're never going to be a citizen anyway?

301 saberry0530  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:12:35am

re: #266 MandyManners

Reality is vastly over-rated.

"I refuse to accept your reality and substitute my own"

From Mythbusters on Adams shirt one time.

302 Bar  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:13:13am

re: #224 Sifty

re: #164 Bard

The sheer volume of wishful thinking, outright fantasy, and statistically- provable falsehood contained in that little story could provide enough fodder to fill several books.

I don't have the patience to try and color the sky blue on your planet, so I'll just call bullshit and hope that you can eventually see what is really happening to this country because of ILLEGAL immigration. Don't believe the La Raza sunshine-happiness-peace-love-unity BS.

And if this isn't enough, drive down Van Nuys Blvd.

I don’t know how long you have lived in the San Fernando Valley, but Mexican immigrants are not new to the area, they have been there since the 30's and 40's, although they are more numerous now.

Unless you’re an American Indian, you’re an immigrant.

303 Ben Hur  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:13:17am

Zell? ZELL? ZELL?

Der Weisn Engle!

304 loppyd  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:13:25am

re: #286 americanpundit

#262 Lizard by the Bay

I didn't criticize the Gang of 14. You said:



He's never even been close to being as liberal as other Senate "Republicans" like Snowe, Chafee, and Specter.

I pointed out that he's taken unpopular positions alongside with every single one of the people you listed as people who called themselves Republicans. His position with Snowe is one of the least problems I have with the man.

Speaking Snowe from Maine.....

Romney kicked her boy McCain's cranky ass 53% to 22% in the caucus this past weekend. IIRC they went for McCain in 2000.

305 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:14:05am
306 rinkus  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:14:08am

How come no mainstream media outlet has picked up this story about the violence today at the Gaza-Egypt border? If it was Israel gunning down protesters ... well you know how that would go

[Link: www.iol.co.za...]

[Link: afp.google.com...]

307 badsysop  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:14:08am

re: #297 Dave the.....

As far as spending in Minnesota goes:

Obie is on several radio stations several times an hour. He is loaded and spending it.

Ron Paul has a few ads out and lots of direct mail.

Mitt has Hugh Hewitt and Laura Ingrham.

Ron Paul supporters had signs on two freeway over passes that I saw this morning. You know, the bedsheet signs.

Didn't Hannity jump on the Mitt Ship?

I do notice those Ron Paul folks look like a Casper the Ghost family reunion.

308 zmdavid  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:14:12am

re: #262 Lizard by the Bay
A nuclear option wouldn't do the Dems any good now with Bush making appointments. If there is a Dem President they will go nuclear. The fact that McCain stopped it when it would be useful to Republicans doesn't mean it can't be done in the future when it will be useful to Democrats.

309 jemima  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:14:23am

#290

"stoop"--you give yourself away as a city kid. We had a stoop. My friend in Kansas had no idea what it was.

310 JDGooseman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:14:32am

I'm going with McCain on this one. I voted for him in 2000, and I still think he sticks to his guns. I happen to agree with him on his more moderate views too: Immigration, and most certainly campaign finance. So, there it is.

311 musicman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:14:33am

Charles,

Could you fix it that when you click "post this comment" when replying to or quoting from, that your screen would return to the post you were replying to or quoting? I.E. When replying to #100 my post could wind up being #170 after clicking "post this comment". Could the screen return to post #100?

Is this making any sense?

312 Dave the.....  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:15:17am

"Because decent, capable men and women are too smart to run for office.


i agree, the fact that most people do not want their lives examined under a microscope by every media type and others precludes the fact they stay far away from the circus. yet it is this aspect that harms our country by denying the very best from giving their all."

Same with judges. You could make $4M a year as a top lawyer at a top big city law firm. Or you could make $175,000 as a federal judge and have the NYTs going after your kids adaption recoreds, or Demcrats going to the store you rent movies from to see what you check out. Or be Pickering, the man who risked his families lives to stand up to the KKK in the 1960s, then be called a racist by the Democrats.

313 xtraBilly  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:15:35am

re: #300 Bard

Regarding the English thing - again, why bother learning English when you're safest if you stick to your own and you're never going to be a citizen anyway?

Most illegals come here to earn money - not to assimilate, not to become citizens.

314 Roger  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:15:45am

I'm just dog tired of supporting a screw up to avoid the worser of two evils. I'd just feel better combating the worser.

/Modernize democracy: replace representation via smarmy politicians with direct self-representation. Replace Congress with computerized voting on all issues by all tax payers representing the whole population.

315 musicman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:16:07am

re: #171 uber_kuffar

OT i read the petition about the wikipedia pics. it was annoying, so i started my own petition. if anyone wants in on it feel free :)

keep the pics up

I signed it and the one about the man getting fired from Wal-Mart for trying to manage his diabetes.

316 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:16:55am

re: #302 Bar

Unless you’re an American Indian, you’re an immigrant.

Sorry, I was born here. I'm no immigrant.

317 jemima  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:16:56am

#302 Bar

So how did those "native Americans" get here? I thought they walked here. How is that so different than taking a boat to Ellis Island? Why does that give them more credibility than I have?

318 SagamoreGal  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:16:59am

A vote for Mitt is a vote for the Republican Party to be hit by the biggest landslide victory for the Democrats in modern-day political history. The MSM will EAT him alive.

Of these two crappy choices remaining in the Republican primaries, as a Republican hawk, I have to vote for a man who served his country and raised at least one child to also serve his/her country. I could never vote for a Republican who has raised five strapping, healthy sons who have never spent even one day in a boot camp. Trapsing around the country/world on a bicycle dressed in a white shirt and a tie, knocking on doors does not quite get it. We're in a fight for our lives to stop a man named Mohammed, not to praise the glory of Joseph Smith.

319 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:17:30am

re: #284 badsysop

Also we shouldn't forget this history:

President / Public Office Last Held Before Being Elected

George W. Bush = Governor
Bill "Slick Willie" Clinton = Governor
George HW. Bush = Vice President
Ronald Reagan = Governor
Jimmy "Kill the Jews" Carter = Governor
Gerald Ford = Vice President
Richard Nixon = Vice President
Lyndon B. Johnson = Senator Vice President
John F. Kennedy = Senator

You have to go back to 1964 before you get a President that previously held a position in the Senate to win the election. House Of Representatives? Fahgetabaughdit.

1960, not 1964. Johnson was Kennedy's VP.

Only 2 sitting Senators have been elected president - Kennedy and Harding. Both, interestingly enough, died in their third year in office.

320 MrMom  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:17:36am

re: #283 rappmandu

Once again, voting out the incumbent is the best choice.


I agree and have said this before. All the damage is done in the second term. Never re-elect an incumbent. Ronaldus Magnus excluded.

321 yesandno  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:17:47am

Linked to this very late on last thread....

Important enough to mention again:

Phares op Ed in Human Events: "THE CANDIDATE WHO CAN SEE THE ENEMY, CAN DEFEAT IT"

[Link: www.walidphares.com...]

322 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:17:50am

re: #310 JDGooseman

I'm going with McCain on this one. I voted for him in 2000, and I still think he sticks to his guns. I happen to agree with him on his more moderate views too: Immigration, and most certainly campaign finance. So, there it is.

Do you mean you like the idea of campaign finance reform, or that you actually think MF was good law? Cause there's a big difference.

323 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:17:53am

re: #268 Bard


Integration, as I say, is buttloads easier when you can speak to members of the dominant culture without fearing being turned in to the INS.

Funny, nobody's turning in all those guys I see blowing leaves, putting up buildings, and driving five-to-a-truck-cab on the highways every morning.

Here's a crazy idea, how about we fix the border, fix the INS, and put some pressure on Mexico to fix their shitty economy, instead of just looking the other way while Mexicans risk their lives to come across the border, live in crap housing ten to a room, and work as part of a non-person slave class? Where is Mexico in all this? Why is it our responsibility? How about the fact that anybody can get across down there, or that terrorists (to take one example) happily use the illegal immigrant's cottage industry of false identity as a way to operate in our country? (See also "hijacker's driver's licenses")

How the hell does anybody call it justice to look the other way when the only people benefiting from this situation are politicians and unscrupulous agribusiness and construction owners?

It's borderline f-cking slavery. The only difference is that the Romans took their foreign slaves in warfare.

324 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:17:57am

re: #302 Bar

AND, they immigrated from Asia, just a little sooner than my ancestors did from Europe...

325 Bard  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:17:57am

re: #313 xtraBilly

I reckon English would help them get a decent job, too, if they can feel safe exposing themselves to a lot of English speakers.

326 Roger  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:17:58am

re: #310 JDGooseman

Do you agree with illegal migration?

327 Endangered in MASS  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:18:16am

re: #255 acwgusa

I saw a McCain sticker today. Too bad he can't have Arnold on his ticket...


McBAIN!

328 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:18:22am

re: #304 loppyd

Speaking Snowe from Maine.....

Romney kicked her boy McCain's cranky ass 53% to 22% in the caucus this past weekend. IIRC they went for McCain in 2000.

No surprise. Romney was the governor of a New England state. That practically makes him a local boy.

329 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:18:39am
330 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:19:21am

Well I will be voting Romney later today even though I so much wanted to write in Fred Thompson's name. The stakes got too high. Mitt is the only guy in the race who hasn't gone overboard on any issue. He is level headed and seems to handle the pressure well and is able to make sound decisions based on facts and not noise. Both the Dems have jumped on the "all troops out of Iraq, yesterday" bandwagon as well as being global warming alarmists in spite of an abundance of evidence that it ain't necessarily so. McCain jumped the shark on the amnesty bill earlier this year and quite frankly he has co sponsored more legislation with the Dems then he has the Republicans.
So the guy who doesn't seem to hold radical views on any subject but seems capable of analyzing the situation is Mitt. We won't see knee jerk reactions from him in response the latest NY Times headline or any anti-whatever protest group. This is the guy I want with access to the nuclear button for this country.
It won't be long before he is protrayed as Mr Vanilla by the press I am sure but what is wrong with vanilla?

331 Dave the.....  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:20:12am
Only 2 sitting Senators have been elected president - Kennedy and Harding. Both, interestingly enough, died in their third year in office.

And both couldn't keep their units in their pants. Co-incidience? I think not.

332 xtraBilly  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:20:32am

re: #325 Bard

And again my point is that they are not here to be citizens but just to earn as much money as they can.

333 JHW  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:21:36am

I haven`t read all the comments yet, but I have a question for any who care to answer. Have any of you quizzed your Democrat friends or family members on the presidential nominees? My feelings are similar to Charles` and most of your`s on our choices, but the feedback I`m getting from hardcore Dems I`m acquainted with is they say they wont vote for Obama or Hillery if they`re nominated. A small sampling to be sure, but I`ve always thought there are more of the hard line Dems that have residual feelings of racism and misogyny, wont vote for a black person or a woman in any circumstances. They`ve always loved McCain, even years ago when he ran against Bush the first time. This is the buzz I`m hearing from the Joe Sixpacks. Not in my occupation though, it`s solid Republican.

334 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:21:40am

re: #302 Bar

Bar, you would have to acknowledge, folks who are very upset about the illegal immigration issue have a legitimacy to their claim, correct?

Folks can argue forever about the colonization of the Americas.

We have a common law, all folks are expected to live by it, politicians swear to uphold it, and the President swears to defend it.

None of that is being done now.

335 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:21:56am

About that severed Egyptian internet cable...

IEEE Spectrum Online – June 1st, 2003
%u2022 “Further evidence of the NSA's ability to tap undersea fiberoptic
cables--and its intention to go on doing it--is a $1
billion project at Electric Boat, Groton, Conn., to outfit a new
Navy submarine, the USS Jimmy Carter, with a special 45-
meter-long section. The Navy has never disclosed the exact
purpose of the expensive addition to the $2.4 billion sub, but
most observers, including Pike, believe it is to tap undersea
fiber-optic cables.”

Oh, the irony of it all!

336 nycat  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:21:57am

re: #222 Pawn of the Oppressor

Like I said before, Romney is right off the assembly line. Take a survey and build the man to suit the image. He stands for nothing, has no soul, is a big phony. Nobody trusts or likes him just those who think McCain is to moderate.

337 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:21:58am
338 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:22:52am

I love Thomas Sowell.

A man like McCain, with a history of being headstrong and shooting from the hip, is the last thing we need as President, in an age of complex global threats, including terrorists who may get nuclear weapons within the next few years.
339 Bard  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:23:20am

re: #329 buzzsawmonkey

Why shouldn't there be a 15-year waiting list for legal immigration? We have the right to decide who to let in, in what quantities, and when. The desires of would-be entrants have nothing to do with it.

As an evil neocon cultural imperialist, I don't see why denying people the American way of life is such a great virtue - particularly considering the much-faster rate at which we admit people from already-developed economies.

340 yesandno  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:23:43am

re: #322 Spenser (with an S)

re: #310 JDGooseman


I'm going with McCain on this one. I voted for him in 2000, and I still think he sticks to his guns. I happen to agree with him on his more moderate views too: Immigration, and most certainly campaign finance. So, there it is.

Do you mean you like the idea of campaign finance reform, or that you actually think MF was good law? Cause there's a big difference.

It was McCain's campaign finance reform that prohibited advertisement from being run for Romney after McCain put out that big lie prior to Florida. No one could counteract it in an ad unless Mitt when out there and did it himself.

Don't tell me that McCain doesn't understand CFR...he used like he planned for it..

341 Roger  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:23:59am

Come to think of it, there is no two state solution for Texas. With the Alabama, Apache, Atakapan, Bidai, Caddo, Coahuiltecan, Comanche, Cherokee, Choctaw, Coushatta, Hasinai, Jumano, Karankawa, Kickapoo, Kiowa, Tonkawa, and Wichita nations we'd need an 18 state solution.

342 niagarafalls  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:23:59am

I'm in the Buffalo, NY area and will go to the Republican polling place on my way home from work. I wanted Rudy and don't particularly care for McCain or Romney. I will vote for Romney in the primary but if McCain is the nominee, I will vote for him.

I fear an Obama win. We have experience with Hillary here. She lied about bringing 200,000 jobs to Upstate and now says she may have been a little "too exuberant". She is a liar and has done nothing for Upstate NY where we probably have the worst economy in the US.

343 Kulhwch  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:24:02am
So I’m voting for Mitt, and I’m going to convince myself that I’m doing it wholeheartedly, without reservation—even if, in my dreams, I know the truth.

You and me both, Lizard King ... my vote is already cast, but I am saddened that it wasn't for Rudy or Fred.  Romney is a consolation prize, the one I voted for, but it's slim comfort.  Arggh.

}:)     [#1 in line at polling place when it opened today!]

344 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:24:17am

re: #314 Roger

Modernize democracy: replace representation via smarmy politicians with direct self-representation. Replace Congress with computerized voting on all issues by all tax payers representing the whole population.

Ever wonder why none of our founding fathers talked about Democracy once? How "freedom" and "rights" were always important but "democracy" didn't seep into the Presidential lexicon until the early 20th century?

It's because "democracy" is not and never has been what makes this country great. Democracy is just another word for tyranny of the majority, in more plain terms: mob rule. Did we all see how well "democracy" worked in "Palestine"?

345 jemima  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:24:32am

Danbury Connecticut has no problem with Mexicans. It's all Brazilians. The one I knew was here to make enough money in order to go back to Brazil and buy a coffee plantation--which he did. He got his driver's license in Florida not being able to speak or read a word of English. These people are parasites, they have no intention of assimilating, they are here to use us because they feel we, as the wealthiest country in the world, owe it to them. Imagine otherwise all you like, I love fairy tales, too.

346 Sifty  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:24:37am

re: #300 Bard

So let's all just Balkanize the country and be done with it.

"Stick with our own" is a great motto.
/not
I think I have heard that motto somewhere before...

Why is Mexico still "poverty-ridden"? Maybe some of these millions of decent, hard-working people should maybe get to work fixing their own country?
Plenty of oil, minerals, seacoast, timber, farmland, etc.

Maybe they should stick around home and make themselves a better life.

The waves of Italians and Irish, millions of diverse people from all over the world and millions of Mexicans from right next door have somehow managed to assimilate in the past without bitching about our "patently unjust laws" and complaining that the government tit doesn't give out champagne.

I have no sympathy for law-breakers that whine and complain, whether they are from Cancun or Bangladesh.

347 Bard  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:24:50am

re: #332 xtraBilly

re: #325 Bard

And again my point is that they are not here to be citizens but just to earn as much money as they can.

Which would be facilitated by assimilating somewhat. Which is easier to do with a legal residency.

348 GGMac  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:25:26am

#209 Eowyn2

No cell phone here, either - land line connected to cable. From what I've heard about my (all adult) kids' phone costs, the $29/month, including long distance, is mighty tolerable! A sample - one granddaughters' charges/month, after basic family plan charge - is in the neighborhood of $50.

And if we should have to call 911, they'd know where we are. Call from a cell phone, and the ambulance will go to a relay tower out in the weeds!

349 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:25:31am

re: #323 Pawn of the Oppressor


You nailed it 100%.

The idea that our politicians are willing to usurp the very laws they have put in place with respect to employment is tantamount to acting against the Constitution.

350 Da_Beerfreak  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:26:19am
re: #284 badsysop

Also we shouldn't forget this history:

President / Public Office Last Held Before Being Elected

George W. Bush = Governor
Bill "Slick Willie" Clinton = Governor
George HW. Bush = Vice President
Ronald Reagan = Governor
Jimmy "Kill the Jews" Carter = Governor
Gerald Ford = Vice President
Richard Nixon = Vice President
Lyndon B. Johnson = Senator

You have to go back to 1964 before you get a President that previously held a position in the Senate to win the election. House Of Representatives? Fahgetabaughdit.

Wrong!

Lyndon B. Johnson was the Incumbent President in 1964 and Vice President before November 22, 1963.

John F. Kennedy was a Senator when he was elected in 1960 when he defeated the Incumbent Vice President Richard M. Nixon.
You have to go back to 1960.

351 coquimbojoe  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:26:24am

re: #227 nycat

Mitt is a good name for Romney. He is like a brand new baseball mitt. Looks good, looks like a keeper, but has no history, no substance, no soul, nothing to hang your hat on. He looks and says what he needs to to look good, but stands for nothing. McCain may not be conservative for many of you but is the best choice we have. He is a caring mature good American. He will do his darndest to do a good job and surround himself with the best people.
No to Romney, Yes to McCain.

So the success in business, bringing the olympics back from the grave and making them profitable, and effective conservative leadership in a liberal state are no substance? If substance is taking away free speech, trying to grant amnesty to illegals, voting against tax cuts, the gang of 14, Charles Keating, and being anti-prolife in the courts is substance, give the man with no substance. Mitt might not be your guy, and he isn't my first choice, but to say he has no substance is asinine at best.

352 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:26:37am

re: #240 BabbaZee

re: #236 Shug

caller ID takes care of that, you just don't pick up.
After a while, it stops altogether

We are on the do not call list and have caller ID, but I've gotten calls for Mitt that show up as "private"

353 xtraBilly  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:26:43am

re: #347 Bard

...and would be easier still if they enetered the country legally.

354 americanpundit  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:27:30am
#302 Bar

I was born here. My family has been here for over 270 years. Humans didn't just pop up in North America. If we want to be technical, Native Americans are immigrants, too. Instead of Ellis Island or the Southern Border, they had the Bering Strait.

355 Pope Insouciance IV  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:27:56am

The only thing necessary for evil men to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

Well, Fred did nothing. Rudy did next to nothing.
I think Mitt's a good man, and now the best left in the race.
But really, we need more good men (and women).

356 Sifty  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:28:07am

re: #302 Bar

Nope, only my Mom is an Indian.

And if you can tell me that the San Fernando Valley has not gone to hell in the last 10 years compared to how it once was, you are seeing something I'm not.

I don't care who comes in, but they should do it legal and become Americans. Simple as that.

357 badsysop  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:28:21am

re: #319 Honorary Yooper

OF COURSE! Ah, you're right. It was obvious as Johnson took over after the death of Kennedy. Duh. I don't know what I was thinking. Thanks for the correction.

358 Vergeltung  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:28:36am

re: #251 BabbaZee

re: #242 jcm

It's a miracle people lived and were well before they could have a phone stuck to their face 24-7.
bah.

damn right! ignoring all those around them, scrolling, thumbing crap all the time. ignoring their families and children around them. driving with them! arg. I don't have one either. IMO, they epitomize the synthesis of materialism/selfishness and the instant gratification sought by so many in modern society.

+1

359 loppyd  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:28:51am

re: #318 SagamoreGal

A vote for Mitt is a vote for the Republican Party to be hit by the biggest landslide victory for the Democrats in modern-day political history. The MSM will EAT him alive.

Of these two crappy choices remaining in the Republican primaries, as a Republican hawk, I have to vote for a man who served his country and raised at least one child to also serve his/her country. I could never vote for a Republican who has raised five strapping, healthy sons who have never spent even one day in a boot camp. Trapsing around the country/world on a bicycle dressed in a white shirt and a tie, knocking on doors does not quite get it. We're in a fight for our lives to stop a man named Mohammed, not to praise the glory of Joseph Smith.

Lovely mormon bashing.

So I guess you're in the patriotism over profit school of though like McCain.

360 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:29:04am
361 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:29:15am

Iraqi weapons inspector David Kay discusses the Iraqi WMD program...

Kay: Prior to the war Saddam had active, if unsuccessful WMD programs, including nuclear. Iraq was in clear violation of UN Resolution 1441.

362 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:29:15am

re: #339 Bard

Bard, you know that is not the argument.

363 uber_kuffar  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:30:35am

@#315

signed the petition you mentioned. great cause :)

364 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:30:42am

re: #333 JHW

I have a family member who is a dem who refuses to vote either Republican or for hillary. So- she won't vote at all if hill gets the nod.

365 CJW  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:30:46am

I just got back from voting. I cast for Romney, the only candidate with executive experience who isn’t part of the Washington establishment or supported by the Washington establishment.

Those who say they want change won’t get it by voting for the Washington establishment again. The Washington establishment consists of the ones who ignore the "rule of law" when it comes to illegal aliens and only apply the "rule of law" when it comes to legal taxpaying citizens. They don't seem to mind that not only legal taxpayers get to pay for the illegals, but many hard working legal Americans get to have their wages deflated due to a cheaper labor force that works "off of the books" for only the benefit of the shady business owner.

I saw Fred Thompson is still on my ballot. While voting for him was tempting, it wouldn’t do any good since he’s not in the running any longer.

366 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:30:55am

re: #349 formercorpsman

Yes, & the President swears to uphold the Constitution which says that the President shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed.

It does not say, "Shall slack off on enforcing the laws he does not like."

Something is very wrong in our country.

367 loppyd  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:31:30am

Never forget that in 1980, the democrats were salivating when Reagan got the nomination....we all know how that worked out.

368 americanpundit  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:31:33am
#339
As an evil neocon cultural imperialist, I don't see why denying people the American way of life is such a great virtue - particularly considering the much-faster rate at which we admit people from already-developed economies.

We're the United States -- not the United Nations. We choose who comes in, who doesn't. Let's let everyone that wants to come in, to come in. You know what happens? Our country goes down the crapper from the strain.

369 Colonel Panik  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:31:56am

re: #255 acwgusa

re: #235 BengalsFan

I've given up on California mostly because of Governor Steroid. He is an absolute jackass.

Total RINO!

370 Yank in the EU  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:34:29am

re: #344 Lizard by the Bay

re: #314 Roger


Modernize democracy: replace representation via smarmy politicians with direct self-representation. Replace Congress with computerized voting on all issues by all tax payers representing the whole population.

Ever wonder why none of our founding fathers talked about Democracy once? How "freedom" and "rights" were always important but "democracy" didn't seep into the Presidential lexicon until the early 20th century?

It's because "democracy" is not and never has been what makes this country great. Democracy is just another word for tyranny of the majority, in more plain terms: mob rule. Did we all see how well "democracy" worked in "Palestine"?

No, only "direct democracy" leads to tyranny of the majority and chaos. This is only one form of democracy, of which there are many. Our republic - federal system is a representative democracy. In general, the key notions of liberal democracy were formulated by Locke in the Two Treatises, although he did not use the term. Namely, legitimation of the government through the people and the formation of the state around the rights of the individual and protecting his private property. Democracy in the general sense is thus necessary for a just state as such, given the universal truth of natural rights and the necessity of a just state to derive its legitimacy from the people. The FF's spoken often of liberal democracy but saw the tyranny of the majority that follows from direct democracy as a great danger, given the immediate tendency to deprive minority groups of rights.

371 hilchar  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:34:35am

IIRC McCain's take in the Keating 5 scandal was 1.2 million.


GO MITT!

372 Bard  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:34:41am

re: #362 formercorpsman

re: #339 Bard

Bard, you know that is not the argument.

What is, then? Because the only other thing that comes to mind is "eww, Mexicans".

re: #360 buzzsawmonkey

And that post isn't helping my impression.

373 lanmaster  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:34:42am

I had previously stated that I was going to support McCain because I thought that he would have a better chance to beat Hillary in the general election.

I have since changed my mind and decided that I wouold vote for Romney because he stands much stronger on Conservative principle.

Romney may noy be the next Ronald Reagan, but McCain may be the next Bill Clinton.

Cheers.

I voted, have you?

374 JHW  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:35:29am

re: #364 Sharmuta

Thanks Sharm, I`m hearing a lot similar. Even the so-called yellow dog Dems I know, even some old-line Reds from the HUAC days, say they`re sitting this one out. I dont get why they`re fascinated with McCain though, they usually hate all things Republican even if said Republican has positions very near to the Dems.

375 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:35:36am

At least the McCain supporters here are admitting they're Open Borders guys...

For what it's worth, they obviously do not live where most illegals live: the illegals here are hardly "afraid" of speaking up. Heh.

376 combatwombat  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:35:53am

re: #61 Roger

Charles? Romney will have Rick Santorum advising on issues you care about. Rick Santorum endorsed Romney yesterday.

Can I only pause to inquire why many people (not just here) are so keen to look to former Senator Santorum for election advice? I mean, there's a reason he's FORMER Senator Santorum.

377 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:36:51am
378 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:37:00am

And the number one reason to vote for Mitt Romney

“First a couple of rules in politics. One, no whining. And Number 2, you get them to vote for you. And so I want them not to vote for Mike Huckabee and not to vote for John McCain and to vote for me. ... That’s not voter suppression. That’s known as politics,” Romney said. “I want people to vote, but I want them to vote for me.”


Put that on your straight talk express and smoke it.

379 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:37:35am

I am heading to vote 'Mitt' right now...If he doesn't pull it off and McCain wins, I can at least die knowing I tried to help out my children from their children...

380 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:38:03am

re: #338 redstateredneck

Sowell is generally brilliant, but he's off his game big time here. In the fourth paragraph, he completely confuses Whitewater (the Clinton illegal lons for land scheme) with Filegate (FBI files of prominent Republicans stolen by Clintons). The only thing they have in common is that they both fell to Special Prosecutor Starr to investigate.

381 Da_Beerfreak  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:38:06am

re: #314 Roger

I'm just dog tired of supporting a screw up to avoid the worser of two evils. I'd just feel better combating the worser.

/Modernize democracy: replace representation via smarmy politicians with direct self-representation. Replace Congress with computerized voting on all issues by all tax payers representing the whole population.

Mob Rule!
No Way!
That will take the country straight to Hell...

382 cookielady  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:38:16am

It just about made me grind my teeth when I entered the little booth and saw that Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo and Fred Thompson were still on the ballot in my state (Missouri). But because it's "winner-takes-all" with our delegates, I voted for Romney instead of my principles.

*sigh*

I cannot even BEGIN to tell you how tired I am of being given the 'lesser of two evils' choice from the Republican Party... and I have tried to tell THEM over and over!

383 neocon hippie  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:38:23am

Today, 2/5/08, is exactly 39 weeks before election day, 11/4/08. Yesterday was exactly 9 months before election day. 9 months/39 weeks, of course, is the human gestation period.

It's also halfway between the winter solstice and the spring equinox, give or take a day. 11/4 is similarly halfway between the autumnal equinox and the winter solstice. Ergo, the sun is in the same place relative to the earth on both days, and day lengths are the same give or take a minute or few. Local sunrise and sunset times would not be identical, however.

I'm not sure what this means, if it means anything all, but just an interesting set of factoids.

384 slokat  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:38:35am

Off to vote for Romney...

The radio this morning had callers upset that they mailed their ballot in before different candidates dropped out and wanted the county to allow them to change their mind...

We have two land lines: 1 blocked and delisted + 1 dedicated to my fax Also, 5 family plan cell lines + 1 wireless data line. Almost never get polled or called, but I get a steady dose of junk faxes...

I'm not ready to jump the "won't vote for" line, yet. There is still some small hope that McCan't won't be the nominee.

Time enough to worry if that happens...

385 combatwombat  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:38:37am

re: #375 Spiny Norman

At least the McCain supporters here are admitting they're Open Borders guys...

For what it's worth, they obviously do not live where most illegals live: the illegals here are hardly "afraid" of speaking up. Heh.


To which I reply: who cares?

Seriously, are people honest to God afraid of La Raza or Alztalan succeeding in having the southwest break off and join Mexico? Let em b**** and piss and moan all they want. They're no more or less offensive than the Code Pinkos and the Maoists around San Fran.

386 nycat  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:38:43am

re: #351 coquimbojoe


I believe he is a big phony. He is an automaton.

387 Gecko  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:38:48am

Go Mitt!

388 zey  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:38:56am

my thought:
mr romney is spending his own money. he will make his own selections for staff.
mr obama will be a mouthpiece for mr kennedy and pals or a captive to his religious past.
mrs clinton will be an abrasive queen of the mountain with intermittant benevolent events.
mr mccain will just be in a 4 year snit.

vote for change... mr romney.... little dc experience.

389 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:40:07am

re: #374 JHW

I dont get why they`re fascinated with McCain though, they usually hate all things Republican even if said Republican has positions very near to the Dems.


From the ones I know, it's Viet Nam guilt. They were smoking pot and taking over the administration building on campus during the war, so now they're gonna make up for it by supporting an ex-POW.

390 Bard  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:40:08am

re: #377 buzzsawmonkey

re: #372 Bard

re: #362 formercorpsman

re: #339 Bard

Bard, you know that is not the argument.

What is, then? Because the only other thing that comes to mind is "eww, Mexicans".

re: #360 buzzsawmonkey

And that post isn't helping my impression.

Tough. You'll have to do better than that--like for instance make an argument why we should keep the borders open and permit illegals to flood in here.

I'm not saying that, and neither is McCain. I'm saying we should close the borders, grant those illegals who have committed no other crimes a work visa or green card, and make the legal immigration rate from Mexico into something a reasonable person would attempt.

391 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:40:21am

re: #366 Ojoe

It is crazy.

I have a very interesting take on this issue.

I would be perfectly fine with admitting folks from south of the border, either as temporary workers, or as future citizens, as long as we follow the laws that are in place, the laws we have elected our representatives to craft.

I actually deal with a good number of these folks, and I will say, the vast majority do work very hard. Very, very hard.

When Bard alludes to denying people a slice of the American Dream, it is a misnomer.

That responsibility comes with the good and the bad.

It comes with paying your fair share of taxes.

It comes with having to abide by the laws of buying car insurance, for a car you paid the registration on, after paying the inspection and tags on, etc.

The current system creates an inherent inequality, and forfeits equal protection under the law.

I don't the exact motivation why both parties refuse to deal with this lawfully, but I have ideas.

392 Sifty  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:41:39am

re: #372 Bard

re: #362 formercorpsman

re: #339 Bard

Bard, you know that is not the argument.

What is, then? Because the only other thing that comes to mind is "eww, Mexicans".

re: #360 buzzsawmonkey

And that post isn't helping my impression.

Face it, the United States can not afford to adopt the entire populations of entire countries. It has to stop. We cannot provide cradle blanket to casket-liner coverage for every hard luck case in the world.

And, if I am getting your drift correctly, your main argument and stance is:

gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme fuck-you-American-law-abiding-taxpayer- racist-gringo gimme gimme gimme.

Doesn't seem fair to the ones who play by the rules.

393 hooligan  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:41:49am

My heart belongs to Rudy. This is a sad day for me.

TX doesn't vote until March so I don't have to cast my vote for a few weeks.

For what its worth, Mitt Romney was on the board of directors for a company I was working for about 20 years ago. I was an underling assigned to working the annual shareholders meeting so I had the chance to meet him. What I remember is that he was very handsome (give me a break/I AM female) and that when I looked into his eyes I saw strength. I'm going to be thinking about that when I vote next month.

394 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:42:06am

re: #372 Bard


See my alst post which is farther down the thread.

And from what I can see, not one person who has opined on the subject has made any comment like that.

Projection, and dishonest on your part from where I stand.

395 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:42:17am

re: #374 JHW

Democrat voters like mcccain because he's practically one of them.

396 Eowyn2  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:42:39am

re: #275 jemima

I hate the telephone. I have the cheapest one available at Walmart. It plugs into the wall and works when the power goes out. I don't have a clue how a cell phone works, don't want one to find out. (I do have a DSL connection tho, that's the only good thing about the telephone)

once you've tried cell, you never go back

397 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:43:06am

re: #380 Lizard by the Bay

re: #338 redstateredneck

Sowell is generally brilliant, but he's off his game big time here. In the fourth paragraph, he completely confuses Whitewater (the Clinton illegal lons for land scheme) with Filegate (FBI files of prominent Republicans stolen by Clintons). The only thing they have in common is that they both fell to Special Prosecutor Starr to investigate.

I was reading it as two different things, but since you pointed that out it does look that way.
?

398 loppyd  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:43:19am

re: #328 Lizard by the Bay

re: #304 loppyd

Speaking Snowe from Maine.....

Romney kicked her boy McCain's cranky ass 53% to 22% in the caucus this past weekend. IIRC they went for McCain in 2000.

No surprise. Romney was the governor of a New England state. That practically makes him a local boy.

Given that Mainers call Mass residents Massholes, I'm not so sure. LOL

399 LANMaster  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:43:19am

re: #383 neocon hippie

Today, 2/5/08, is exactly 39 weeks before election day, 11/4/08. Yesterday was exactly 9 months before election day. 9 months/39 weeks, of course, is the human gestation period.

It's also halfway between the winter solstice and the spring equinox, give or take a day. 11/4 is similarly halfway between the autumnal equinox and the winter solstice. Ergo, the sun is in the same place relative to the earth on both days, and day lengths are the same give or take a minute or few. Local sunrise and sunset times would not be identical, however.

I'm not sure what this means, if it means anything all, but just an interesting set of factoids.

I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS!

It means that today is the day we get screwed! :) The General election is the birthday.

400 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:43:20am

re: #372 Bard

re: #362 formercorpsman
re: #339 Bard

Bard, you know that is not the argument.

What is, then? Because the only other thing that comes to mind is "eww, Mexicans".

That says far more about you than I think you realize.

The very idea that we as a country should have ANY control of immigration is pure racism, isn't it? Are the legal immigrants (from Mexico and anywhere else) idiots and chumps for following the rules? Do American citizens (native-born or naturalized) of Hispanic heritage who think illegal immigration is a problem self-haters?

401 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:43:22am
402 Fritz_Katz  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:44:24am
"If John McCain is the nominee, we’re going to have at least four years of a Democrat in the White House — ...".


I think that's true on several levels. If McCain looses the general election then the Democrats win. If McCain wins the general election then we've still got a Democrat in the White House because McCain is a Democrat at heart.

403 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:44:34am

re: #391 formercorpsman

I agree with you. I've worked with some of these illegals. Some perhaps most are fine people and would make a great addition to our country. But we have to let them in under the rule of law.

The present mess is brought to you by selfish oligarchs who do not care about the country IMHO.

404 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:44:36am

re: #17 Marine Mom

With John McCain, the respect goes one way- I have to respect him, but he does not respect me. That's unacceptable.


That's a good way to put it.
I want someone who is out there for me. Not just for himself. (or herself)

405 Eowyn2  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:44:36am

re: #309 jemima

#290

"stoop"--you give yourself away as a city kid. We had a stoop. My friend in Kansas had no idea what it was.

its a porch.

407 Yank in the EU  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:45:11am

re: #397 redstateredneck

re: #380 Lizard by the Bay


re: #338 redstateredneck

Sowell is generally brilliant, but he's off his game big time here. In the fourth paragraph, he completely confuses Whitewater (the Clinton illegal lons for land scheme) with Filegate (FBI files of prominent Republicans stolen by Clintons). The only thing they have in common is that they both fell to Special Prosecutor Starr to investigate.


I was reading it as two different things, but since you pointed that out it does look that way.
?

I think he left out an "or." As an inside politics guy, it would be hard to imagine that Sowell has no idea what "Whitewater" was about.

408 JHW  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:45:27am

re: #389 redstateredneck

That fits a few of the younger ones I know, but a lot of the old generation long Dems, the ones with a shrine to FDR in their home, seem to like McCain for some reason too, and I`ve never heard them say anything good about any Republican, more of a pathological, in the gut, hatred. The Republicans are for the rich is their mantra.

409 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:45:58am

re: #394 formercorpsman

re: #372 Bard

See my last post which is farther down the thread.

And from what I can see, not one person who has opined on the subject has made any comment like that.

Projection, and dishonest on your part from where I stand.

A pretty blatant strawman, wasn't it?

410 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:46:41am

It's a tough one this time around.
But I knew you'd do the right thing.

(not that I know)

411 zmdavid  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:47:15am

re: #408 JHW

re: #389 redstateredneck

That fits a few of the younger ones I know, but a lot of the old generation long Dems, the ones with a shrine to FDR in their home, seem to like McCain for some reason too, and I`ve never heard them say anything good about any Republican, more of a pathological, in the gut, hatred. The Republicans are for the rich is their mantra.


Ask them where they get their news. MSM newspaper or broadcast network, I'll bet.

412 ec marm  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:47:46am

re: #206 snowcrash


Nope, just an old, bitter Charlie Brown.


Hat Tip for you here:
[Link: paleo.wordpress.com...]

413 Twenglish  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:48:36am

Very Good ....Way to go Charles !

414 JHW  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:48:40am

re: #411 zmdavid

True, and not much interest in anything outside their immediate surroundings.

415 Bard  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:48:58am

@formercorpsman: I don't reckon a whole lot of illegal immigrants would pay any more taxes if they were citizens than they pay in sales taxes right now. More would get to taxable levels if they were legal. Equal protection under the law? Yeah, more of that good representation stuff, and slightly more taxation stuff, to the guy with the green card.

416 jemima  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:50:43am

#396

Doesn't make a difference. We don't have cell phone service out here. And I hate talking on the phone besides.

417 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:51:02am

re: #372 Bard


Bard, the other issue in this, is that back in the 80's, we had to make concessions as well.

Politicians like McCain, and other Republicans who have been assigned the moniker "RINO" have earned this by breaking their campaign promises, and false advertising.

These politicians look at the constituency with contempt because they are held accountable.

Unfortunately, our system of government was specifically set up like this for that very reason.

418 koza  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:52:22am

Charles, I appreciate the sentiment but I think your calculus is wrong. Mitt is unloved by many for the same reason Hillary is unloved: he is seen as a self-serving machine without a strong ideological core. There is a lot to be said about having non-ideologists as leaders, but if you want someone to win the election against Hillary, I would bet on McCain.

419 Bard  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:52:23am

Y'know, Buzzsaw, I've already given my arguments on those two points, and if you stuff your fingers in your ears in response, that's your own business.

420 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:52:58am

re: #405 Eowyn2

re: #309 jemima
#290

"stoop"--you give yourself away as a city kid. We had a stoop. My friend in Kansas had no idea what it was.

its a porch.

Stoop.

Porch.

A subtle, but important difference.

;^)

421 jemima  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:53:56am

Can I stuff my fingers in my ears, too?

422 snowcrash  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:54:25am

re: #412 ec marm
It was really secret internet douche bag who has the creative brains.
See #218 above. Thanks!

423 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:54:33am

Back from the parade... What a scene!

The cops and crowd control were not very good as they were not letting the fans near Broadway... A lot of fans were stuck blocks away... Crowds were about 10 deep alomng the side streets when they could have been a LOT more people there... So that stunk...

Biggest cheer was Eli Manning and Tom Coughlin and Michael Strahan with the George Halas Tropy and the Lombardi Trophy!

424 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:54:40am

re: #420 Spiny Norman

A porch is a stoop with a roof over it.

425 jemima  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:55:13am

A stoop is a city thing, a porch is a country thing with rocking chairs and old refrigerators on them.

426 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:55:29am

re: #415 Bard


Bard, I have no idea what you do in life.

I can tell you, I work in healthcare.

Take one illegal, a traumatic MVA, involve another legal person, (places like PA have No Fault Insurance, so a portion of my tab is covering that illegal) run them through a trauma hospital, pay the translator, pay the ICU nurse, pay the doctors, the hospital, and the lawyer who now is drafting the lawsuit on behalf of the illegal, and tell me it only has a marginal impact.

I have been in this game for 18 years.

This is a microcosm of the problem.

427 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:55:54am

re: #425 jemima

Or a fridge that works, with beer.

428 loppyd  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:56:02am

re: #423 tfc3rid

Back from the parade... What a scene!

The cops and crowd control were not very good as they were not letting the fans near Broadway... A lot of fans were stuck blocks away... Crowds were about 10 deep alomng the side streets when they could have been a LOT more people there... So that stunk...

Biggest cheer was Eli Manning and Tom Coughlin and Michael Strahan with the George Halas Tropy and the Lombardi Trophy!

Oh, the pain!

429 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:56:44am
430 jemima  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:56:57am

You always put beer in the old fridge, who would think otherwise?

431 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:57:48am

re: #425 jemima

A stoop is a city thing, a porch is a country thing with rocking chairs and old refrigerators on them.

and dogs under them
;-)

432 loppyd  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:58:59am

re: #431 redstateredneck

re: #425 jemima

A stoop is a city thing, a porch is a country thing with rocking chairs and old refrigerators on them.

and dogs under them
;-)

So true! My dog used to take refuge from the Summer heat under our porch when I was growing up.

433 Bar  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:59:20am

re: #334 formercorpsman

Bar, you would have to acknowledge, folks who are very upset about the illegal immigration issue have a legitimacy to their claim, correct?

I agree.

re: #356 Sifty

I don't care who comes in, but they should do it legal and become Americans. Simple as that.

I completely agree.
I am a white guy who was born in Pacoima, my family moved to Ventura county back in the early 70's because the place was changing then. So maybe I cant see a drastic change, I have seen a slow change that has never stopped.

434 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:59:48am

re: #428 loppyd

Sorry darlin!

435 GGMac  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 10:59:53am

#382 cookielady

I'm in Missouri, also - Columbiastan. Are we neighbors?

We've not been to polls yet - later on this afternoon. Slim pickins' sure is frustrating.

Some election cycle down the road, it will be better - when Matt Blunt has some more years under his belt, and when Hulshof has the governor experience.

436 loppyd  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:00:13am

re: #434 tfc3rid

re: #428 loppyd

Sorry darlin!

It's ok - I hope you had a great time!

437 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:01:14am

re: #436 loppyd

Did have a good time... Got pretty close... Forgot my digital camera but took pics on a disposable... I'll pop them online once I get them developed...

438 Topspin Lob  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:01:52am

I voted for Hillary in the primary (reg. as CA Non Partisan, which allows me to vote in Dem primaries) because I think J. McCain will have an easier time beating her than HopeNSurrenderIslamoBama.

I was a Rudy guy, but this demonization of McCain is INSANE. He's got a 60 ACU rating. He ain't Milton Friedman or Jim Gilchrist, but he is head and shoulders over the 2 Socialist windbags on the other side. McCain's got endorsements from Ted Olson, Rudy, Calabresi (Federalist Society), Dole, Steve Forbes.

Remember how letting the Dems take congress in 06 moved the country in a rightward direction and taught the Reps a lesson? Me neither.

Get a grip, people. The world has not changed. Choices were never better in the past and they probably won't get better in the future. You take what you can get and deal with it.

/Soapbox off

439 loppyd  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:02:15am

re: #437 tfc3rid

re: #436 loppyd

Did have a good time... Got pretty close... Forgot my digital camera but took pics on a disposable... I'll pop them online once I get them developed...

Oh you don't need to go to any trouble....

:~)

440 Bard  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:02:50am

re: #400 Spiny Norman


The very idea that we as a country should have ANY control of immigration is pure racism, isn't it? Are the legal immigrants (from Mexico and anywhere else) idiots and chumps for following the rules? Do American citizens (native-born or naturalized) of Hispanic heritage who think illegal immigration is a problem self-haters?

In answer to your questions, nope, currently yes at least where Mexico is concerned, and nope.

Anti-amnesty is not an inherently racist position. However, I feel pretty safe saying that, say, Tom Tancredo, he of the stance against Miami Cubans for crying out loud, is a bloody racist. And Buzzsaw's comments about how immigrants from the third world will make America into a third-world country make me pretty wary.

441 mrclark  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:03:46am

Voted for Mitt...and in Illinois you MUST vote for the corresponding Delegates also...or it really doesn't count

442 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:04:18am

re: #439 loppyd

Hey lets just say that we make a date for October 2008, for your Red Sox and my Mettropolitans...

443 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:04:37am
444 Sifty  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:05:21am

re: #433 Bar

re: #334 formercorpsman

Bar, you would have to acknowledge, folks who are very upset about the illegal immigration issue have a legitimacy to their claim, correct?

I agree.

re: #356 Sifty

I don't care who comes in, but they should do it legal and become Americans. Simple as that.

I completely agree.
I am a white guy who was born in Pacoima, my family moved to Ventura county back in the early 70's because the place was changing then. So maybe I cant see a drastic change, I have seen a slow change that has never stopped.

Pacoima? Heh. You are definitely a veteran then. You still got your flak jacket?

445 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:05:21am

re: #314 Roger

I'm just dog tired of supporting a screw up to avoid the worser of two evils. I'd just feel better combating the worser.

/Modernize democracy: replace representation via smarmy politicians with direct self-representation. Replace Congress with computerized voting on all issues by all tax payers representing the whole population.

I'd be afraid it would be people who had the time to stay home and vote on all the stuff that would vote, and people working would get screwed.
Or people would make decisions based on less info than our representatives do now.
Plus, who would write what gets voted on? And who would have time to actually read it instead of the MSM's summary? It would be like the Iran NIE - the MSM says Iran stopped their nuke program, but people who really read it said that buried in it is info that the program was probably restarted.

446 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:11:29am

Regarding the phone poll. We still have a landline along with everybody having a cell phone. Yesterday by about 8 PM we had racked up 30 calls on the landline, most coming in from privacy director meaning they were calls from various campaigns. My wife started getting the calls early in the day and after about 5 of them she just turned the ringer off and let the answering machine get them. If it is important people will call on the cell phones. I tried to get her to turn the fax machine on so that it would squawk in their ears but she wouldn't go for it. She was probably right, we would have been receiving faxes all day and night.
The way the campaigns do this sort of thing makes you feel like hooker at a bordelo when the fleet comes in. One week with a flurry of activity and then they are gone to sea again without hardly a thank you, kiss my butt, or anything.

447 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:12:10am
And Buzzsaw's comments about how immigrants from the third world will make America into a third-world country make me pretty wary.

Immigrants tend to bring both he best and worst aspects of where they came from with them. Given enough time (and isolation), an immigrant neighborhood can become indistinguishable (even in the worst ways) from the country of it's people's original origins.

If you don't understand any of this, then I doubt you've ventured into many big city slums.

448 Cpt. Disco  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:12:19am

No home phone here. Cells only.

449 loppyd  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:14:46am

re: #448 Cpt. Disco

No home phone here. Cells only.

Same here. Most of my friends are in the same boat.

450 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:15:11am

I have a home phone, but only for the DSL.

451 DJ  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:17:06am

Congratulations, Charles, you have seen the only reasonable choice at this juncture in this election. I also pulled for Mitt, as well as many of my associates, family, and friends.

452 Bar  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:18:43am

re: #444 Sifty

Pacoima? Heh. You are definitely a veteran then. You still got your flak jacket?

I guess we didn’t need those in 71.
Working in the construction industry, when the “roach coach” shows up, most seem to come out of Pacoima, and I also tell the guy how I was born there, they look at me like how did the blue eyed blonde guy survive? Things were different then.

453 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:22:54am

re: #440 Bard

re: #400 Spiny Norman

Anti-amnesty is not an inherently racist position..

But "anti-illegal immigration" is, I take it:

What is, then? Because the only other thing that comes to mind is "eww, Mexicans".

Really?

454 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:24:20am
455 razorbacker  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:24:41am

Well, well. Come back from voting and find that Charles has announced a vote for Romney. Interesting.

Don't know how ya'll do it, but at my polling station they ask you what primary you are voting in, verify your ID (not your party), then give you the relevant ballot. I tell them I'd like one saying "None of the Above", the lady says you can vote uncommitted, and I say, "No Ma'am, None of the Above." Every single person there pipes up, "I want one too."

Anywho, as I'm going over to the little table to fill in my ballot, a lady says, "I can't do this sh*t." (under her breath) and goes back to the voting officials and says "I can't vote for one of these fools, give me the ballot with those other idiots on it." She takes a Republican ballot.

I sense a disturbance in the force.

456 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:27:55am

re: #80 Desert Dog

re: #68 Occasional Reader

yes, they could have a Grateful Dead concert and an NRA rally at the same time.....well, maybe that would not be a good idea......

...but I'd LOVE to buy tickets to it, then sit well back and watch...

JAFLW

457 Sifty  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:28:49am

re: #456 Just Another Four-letter Word

re: #80 Desert Dog

re: #68 Occasional Reader

yes, they could have a Grateful Dead concert and an NRA rally at the same time.....well, maybe that would not be a good idea......

...but I'd LOVE to buy tickets to it, then sit well back and watch...

JAFLW

Kinda like a George Jones concert next to a Code Pink rally. The fun never stops.

458 irish rose  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:29:47am

McCain is not a Democrat but he is a centrist, and I believe that is why he is reviled by so many conservatives.

Its' my opinion that most folks choose a candidate in their party who they believe, represents the truest version of the standard "party values" whether those values be to the left or to the right of center.

Centrists are a risky choice, because they are always walking the line. They tend to vote according to conscience, and they are not always absolutely "faithful" to the party platform. They refuse to march in lockstep. You never know when one of those wishy-washy centrists might abandon a cherished partisan mantra to reach over the aisle in an attempt to find common ground with, or even *gasp* agree with, a political opponent.

The quickest way to discredit a centrist within his own party, is to imply that he is a partisan traitor and slap the opposing parties' label on his forehead, which is what I have seen some folks here at LGF all to willing to do.

In truth, a politician who can reach across the aisle and unite both parties is exactly what this country needs. But until we are comfortable voting someone into office who is a centrist/moderate, we're always going to have this type of bipolarity within the Republican party and in American politics in general. Same old, same old.

Enough rambling, I'm back to the sofa.

459 joncelli  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:30:10am

re: #61 Roger

Awesome. Rick's a smart guy. Too bad Pennsylvanians went for a name they know instead of the guy they needed.

460 mean Gene  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:31:28am

What's this about Huckabee winning West Virginia?

461 irish rose  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:32:18am

re: #438 Topspin Lob

I agree.

462 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:32:50am

re: #452 Bar

The irony in all of this.

The very fact certain groups play up the aspect of only giving the illegal immigrant a chance at what Americans have, tugs at the heart strings.

Why do they want this?

Are they escaping the corruption of their governments that stifle the same advancements we have here?

Why then, is it acceptable to comprise the good of our country they seek, by not respecting the establishment?

463 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:33:50am
464 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:36:05am

re: #459 joncelli

John, do you live in PA?

465 Aviator  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:36:27am

re: #460 mean Gene

re: #460 mean Gene

What's this about Huckabee winning West Virginia?

Former Louisiana Gov. Buddy Roemer conceded defeat for Sen. John McCain at West Virginia’s Republican state convention on Tuesday.
Roemer, who represented McCain at the Charleston event, asked McCain boosters to support Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee on the second ballot in order to block former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

466 mean Gene  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:36:51am

After the Paulites went ballistic about how they only had cell phones because they are all so young and what not, I read how almost all modern pollsters take into account that aspect of the land line/cell only ownership and factor it all into their polls with some outrageous fomula.
Now, I only have a land line (yeah, I'm old) and I got polled quite often by the Rasmussen group, the Gallup group, then the Mitt Romney and John McCain pollsters.
But my neighbor who only has a cell phone got calls from Mitt and John also.

467 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:38:22am

re: #454 buzzsawmonkey

2) Why the immigration levels should, in his view, be changed.

(...)

4) Why Bard thinks that Mexico is somehow entitled to dump its social problems over the border and into the US.

Not just Mexico, but anywhere poverty and corruption are predominant. Just because other countries have massive problems is not a valid reason why WE should open our borders. We do not have a labor shortage in this country, except, perhaps, for unskilled workers willing to work for less than minimum wage...

Control the border and enforce genuine sanctions against employers who knowingly hire illegals (with few exceptions, they know they're doing it), and most illegal immigrants will "self-deport".

468 imtoast  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:39:14am

I spoke to my daughter this morning, so that makes three more voting for Mitt. We moved up to the mountains this past summer so we have to drive down to vote, but vote we will.

469 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:39:50am
470 DJ  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:41:29am

re: #458 irish rose

How often has the democrat side crossed to "reach out" to the republican side? I may be mistaken but I sincerely can't remember one time. Ever.

471 guitardalek  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:41:37am

re: #458 irish rose

I've never understood why Republicans who compromise their values or positions are considered "moderate" and not "cowards."

I consider myself a conservative not because it's a convenient label but because I believe in things like limited government, economic freedom and rule of law. By virtue of that, I see the policies Democrats (and any politicans who collude with them) as harmful to the country.

So why would why I see a Republican who "reaches across the aisle" as something the country needs? Sure, party unity would be great, but why does it have to be a Republican who takes the liberal position? Why can't a Democrat reach out to us (without being chased out of his party, like Lieberman was)?

472 DJ  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:43:57am

re: #467 Spiny Norman

I would be a good idea for many to watch this video:
Immigration By The Numbers

473 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:45:02am

re: #471 guitardalek

I've never understood why Republicans who compromise their values or positions are considered "moderate" and not "cowards."

Maybe they don't. Maybe their personal values don't track 100% with the party platform to begin with. In that case, there is nothing "cowardly" about believing what you believe. It is, after all, a party, not a religion.

474 irish rose  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:46:21am

re: #473 Lizard by the Bay

What you said.

475 guitardalek  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:46:59am

re: #473 Lizard by the Bay

It's not a religion. But unfortunately, the democratic platform is based on ignoring reality. So, still a problem.

476 alegrias  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:51:28am

re: #465 Aviator

re: #460 mean Gene

re: #460 mean Gene


What's this about Huckabee winning West Virginia?

Former Louisiana Gov. Buddy Roemer conceded defeat for Sen. John McCain at West Virginia’s Republican state convention on Tuesday.
Roemer, who represented McCain at the Charleston event, asked McCain boosters to support Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee on the second ballot in order to block former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

* * *
If true, how revolting, to foist populist liberal Arkansan and McCain acolyte on poor West Virginians already saddled with elitist rich Rockefeller as their Senator for Life.

Huckabee's only there to help McCain and hurt Romney.

477 DJ  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 11:58:56am

re: #476 alegrias

Which is somewhat puzzling, since Huckabee claims to be a pro-lifer and McCain has clearly come out in support of government funding for embryonic (not adult) stem cell research. As a side note, embryonic stem cells have produced no positive results and adult stem cells have produced a magnitude of positive results. And the "mainstream" media seem to not want to clarify what type of stem cell research people are talking about in either arguments for and against.

478 Infidoll  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:00:47pm

I just voted for McCain (with considerable misgivings), based on my determination that HE is more electable than Romney. I respect your opinion, Charles, why do you think McCain is less electable than
Romney?

479 irish rose  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:05:30pm

re: #470 DJ

re: #458 irish rose

How often has the democrat side crossed to "reach out" to the republican side? I may be mistaken but I sincerely can't remember one time. Ever.

Start here.

480 Charles  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:06:55pm

In a nutshell, without going into detail, I think McCain's unelectable because he seems like an angry old Washington insider who's managed to alienate a large portion of the base, and he's up against some dynamic, different-seeming types on the Democrat side with pretty huge support. I don't think he's got what it takes to win a presidential election.

481 DJ  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:11:46pm

re: #479 irish rose

Oh, please. They threw him under the bus for that. Same thing happened to Lieberman. And it doesn't even hold a candle to the long, long list of McCain being nothing more that an obstructionist when it came to his party being the majority and trying to move their agenda forward.

482 Sifty  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:12:56pm

re: #480 Charles

Yep and
Harrrumph.

483 Roger  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:13:31pm

McCain has his people voting for Huckabee in States where McCain cannot win and Romney is ahead so that Romney then comes in second.

484 Render  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:14:09pm

The names are largely irrelevant now. Just pull anything with an R next to it that isn't Ron Paul.

The fix is in.

SPIRAL
ARCHITECT,
R

485 JWM  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:15:12pm

re: #463 buzzsawmonkey

re: #460 mean Gene


What's this about Huckabee winning West Virginia?

First prize--one week in West Virginia.

Second prize--two weeks in West Virginia.


Aww c'mon, Buzzsawmonkey. I know West Virginia pretty well. It was my destination of choice during my travelling years. I've spent many fine days out in those hills and hollows. It is beautiful state filled some fine, fine people. (I'm not happy about the Huckabee thang, though)

JWM

486 maddogg  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:15:16pm

re: #483 Roger

McCain has his people voting for Huckabee in States where McCain cannot win and Romney is ahead so that Romney then comes in second.

How do you know that?

487 DJ  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:17:29pm

re: #479 irish rose

Also, I wouldn't consider a senator taking a side on a national security issue, especially when his own party wanted to surrender instead of winning a conflict we were already involved in as reaching out to the other side. He simply understood that his party was taken over by the 1960s anti-establishment radicals.

488 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:17:36pm
489 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:18:55pm

re: #480 Charles

Unelectable Hillary vs. unelectable McCain would be fun to watch.

Or not.

Big stink in country right now. Every 4 years big stink.

490 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:18:59pm
491 DJ  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:19:15pm

re: #488 ploome hineni

Then you agree with my premise?

492 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:20:37pm
493 NeoconNews.com  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:20:58pm

I'm afraid we're going the way of the Alamo.

494 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:21:44pm
495 DJ  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:21:58pm

re: #492 ploome hineni

Basically, in summary:
Why should our side always be the one to "reach out to the other side"?

496 Aviator  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:22:37pm

There is a reason that the media is pushing McCain. The nice fest will end as soon as he has the nomination. He will be painted as the OLD white male that represents anything other than CHANGE which we have all been told is the important thing in this election. He carries plenty of baggage that will be aired. (Keating 5 anyone?)
"Look folks he is 72, two terms and he would be 80!" Don't forget he has had two melanomas removed. That is a cancer that has a nasty habit of popping back up with wide spread metastasis. A fact that I'm sure will get plenty of play in the media.
Just a few of the downsides.
In short, the media will make him out to be an angry too old coot that should not be anywhere near the football.

497 Opinionated  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:28:04pm

re: #480 Charles

In a nutshell, without going into detail, I think McCain's unelectable because he seems like an angry old Washington insider who's managed to alienate a large portion of the base, and he's up against some dynamic, different-seeming types on the Democrat side with pretty huge support. I don't think he's got what it takes to win a presidential election.

The public at large know nothing about McCain's anger issues. If told, they may justify it under the theory that it is righteous to get angry in a dysfunctional Congress.

McCain remains the popular guy who is a fun guest on popular talk shows.

If he can't win the General then a fortiori neither can Romney. The race will be won- if that is possible- by convincing the great but rational middle that although Obama may be charming and dynamic, he is not up to the job to be CIC. And neither is Clinton.

The Republican base will not determine the election or it is already lost.

498 badsysop  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:29:14pm

I'm with Rush Limbaugh 100% on this one. If you're going to elect a democrat, you may as well elect a real democrat to take the blame for what will happen for the policies McCain embraces.

The republican party cannot stand a 1-2 punch via Bush & McCain.

499 Akrav  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:30:19pm

I like John McCain.
I hope he wins the nomination today.

Don't be too hard on him....you may have to choose between him and the democratic nominee come November.

I voted for McCain in Connecticut today. He was endorsed by my favorite politician here, Christopher Shays.

500 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:32:39pm
501 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:32:51pm

re: #481 DJ

You asked me to give you an example, and I gave you one.

502 Roger  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:35:05pm

re: #376 combatwombat

Not election advice. How to deal with Iran advice.

re: #486 maddogg

Radio news a bit ago. In between the Dave Ramsey show

re: #445 Kosh's Shadow

Note only voters=tax payers only representin' the rest. And don't think for one minute I couldn't vote from work. Also early Saturday night before we go out on the town to celebrate would be a good time to tally the final votes

503 DJ  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:36:45pm

re: #501 Irish Rose

You must not have read my follow up.

504 Roger  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:37:23pm

re: #381 Da_Beerfreak

Not Mob rule. Tax payers rule. Accountability ruling.

505 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:42:07pm

re: #503 DJ

Of course I read it.
I also disagree with it.

506 Sifty  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:42:12pm

We will have sweet, sweet, Waylon Jennings style Mental Revenge when this is all over.

But alas, that is likely all.

507 Roger  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:44:08pm

Alan Cranston (D-CA)

Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ)

John Glenn (D-OH)

John McCain (R-AZ)

Donald W. Riegle (D-MI)

For those who can't imagine McCain being a Democrat.

508 DJ  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:46:31pm

re: #505 Irish Rose

Whatever.
We all have the right to our own opinions.

509 Kulhwch  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 12:56:25pm

re: #230 MandyManners

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Sigh.  I miss Fred and Rudy.

}:)     [Yeah, what she said.]

510 TMF  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 1:06:15pm

Dr. James DObson promoted Romney today

Thats it- now Im definitely voting McCain

This is why I never registered R, even though ive voted straight R for years now (mainly due to my disgust with the Dems- the Rs may be wimps on many issues, but the Dems are fucking dangerous)

The "religious" right always creeped me out

511 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 1:06:49pm

re: #299 Lizard by the Bay

re: #273 Pawn of the Oppressor

You know, sometimes I think that if Bush were half the asshole that everybody says McCain is, he might have actually been a more effective President.

You can be an a-hole and still be conservative. I don't see any part of the conservative in John Flippin' McCain!

JAFLW

512 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 1:11:57pm

re: #26 Ojoe

If Hillary is the Democrat choice for November, I think even McCain would win because many people would barf at the thought of Bill back in the White House. ...

It's not going to be Hillary. It's going to be Obama. That's the reality Republicans have to start to deal with now. Forget about Hillary.

513 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 1:22:26pm

re: #300 Bard

re: #272 SecretInternetDoucheBag


By the way since when are borders and immigration laws "patently" unjust? If that is so whats the whole border and national sovereignty thing for anyway?

They're patently unjust in conjunction with the fifteen-year waiting list for legal immigration from places like Mexico. If legal immigration were at all a feasible method of getting out of the third world, immigration laws wouldn't have a problem.

Regarding the English thing - again, why bother learning English when you're safest if you stick to your own and you're never going to be a citizen anyway?

Patently unjust my @$$. We don't have a duty to absorb every immigrant that is running away from the problems that are rampant in the immigrant's birth country! Waaaaaaay back when, we welcomed them, and could easily absorb them, but not now. Have they tried to fix their problems in their own country first? The libs keep saying that "We're not the World's policeman". Well, we aren't the World's nanny, either.
Our infrastructure is groaning under the onslaught of immigrants that are sucking more and more at the public teat, brought about by liberals that think that the welfare state is a good/humane thing, and ignore who's going to pay for their largesse! The infrastructure is gonna come crashing down in 10 years or less, and the PC crowd keeps screaming "racism" while the timbers are creaking and the roof is sagging and us worker bees are humping as fast as we can to keep the supports in place...
What part of "We can't afford it!" don't you understand? You are a part of the problem, certainly not part of the solution.
You want to let 'em in? Fine. Just NOT IN *MY* COUNTRY!
Just as hot flows "downhill" to cold, so humans are going to rush in to the land of Milk and Honey, especially if it's FREE or relatively inexpensive. Our economy (was?) is based on people being able to work or starve, and the welfare state and the welfare mentality (courtesy of The Great Society) have wreaked havoc on this once great country.
Sorry, your mode of thinking is not welcome. Go peddle your papers somewhere else.

JAFLW

514 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 1:25:18pm

re: #318 SagamoreGal

A vote for Mitt is a vote for the Republican Party to be hit by the biggest landslide victory for the Democrats in modern-day political history. The MSM will EAT him alive.

Of these two crappy choices remaining in the Republican primaries, as a Republican hawk, I have to vote for a man who served his country and raised at least one child to also serve his/her country. I could never vote for a Republican who has raised five strapping, healthy sons who have never spent even one day in a boot camp. Trapsing around the country/world on a bicycle dressed in a white shirt and a tie, knocking on doors does not quite get it. We're in a fight for our lives to stop a man named Mohammed, not to praise the glory of Joseph Smith.

I sure hope your medication kicks in soon...

JAFLW

515 Guy_Philly  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 1:28:39pm

Mitt's the man ... you did the right thing Charles. 80% of lizards can't be wrong!

516 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 1:30:00pm

re: #336 nycat

re: #222 Pawn of the Oppressor

Like I said before, Romney is right off the assembly line. Take a survey and build the man to suit the image. He stands for nothing, has no soul, is a big phony. Nobody trusts or likes him just those who think McCain is to moderate.

Okay, you AND SagamoreGal need to check your medication...

JAFLW

517 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 1:34:03pm

re: #516 Just Another Four-letter Word

Okay, you AND SagamoreGal need to check your medication...

JAFLW

And you need to learn how to disagree with people without being offensive.

518 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 1:35:22pm

I'm wit' Mitt.
/rsrn

519 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 1:38:21pm

This isn't just Super Tuesday~
it's Mardi Gras!
Laissez Le Bon Temps Roulet!

520 LaMano  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 1:38:46pm

A show of MITTENS from all that voted for our under 70 guy.

521 marge45b  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 1:38:58pm

Mitt's the one. He might be a Ken doll, but he's been married to the same wife and has four wonderful kids. I'm a value voter and strong family values are important to me. Being a gov. for a liberal state ain't bad either.

522 LaMano  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 1:41:22pm

Think McCain is loved in AZ?

523 finallyhere  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 1:50:38pm

My choices were

1. Rudy
2. Rudy
3. Rudy
4. Other Republican
5. Other Republican

6. Suicide
7 Ron Paul
8 Suicide

I will vote for any Republican in November, because by the time of PA primary my vote will not matter. So I am lucky I do not have to make a choice now. I still hope it will not be Ron Paul.

524 alegrias  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 1:51:42pm

re: #522 LaMano

Think McCain is loved in AZ?

* * *
Well someone in that state keeps re-electing him non-stop.

525 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 2:05:23pm
Sometime during that unrestful interval, I decided: I’m pulling the lever for Mitt Romney today.

I went through the same experience here last month. A vote for Romney to try to block McCain.

526 SunCat  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 2:07:44pm

I am not even a Conservative. I just want to protect America as I am not a leftist. McCain disgusts me as he hates the Bill of Rights I do not know who "Mitt" Romney is but I know who he is not. Horrifying thing is, I may have to vote for McCain because that SOB might get nominated.

527 rose4421  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 2:09:29pm

I've come to the same decision. Because some election matcher web site told me that I disagree with him least.

528 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 2:23:12pm

re: #513 Just Another Four-letter Word

What Bard (and everyone else who thinks we should take in the poor from every nation - anyone who makes it over the border) fails to understand is that an open border is fundamentally incompatible with the modern Welfare State.

That 's not just my opinion, that was Milton Friedman's.

529 LaMano  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 3:21:26pm

re: #524 alegrias

"You can fool all of the people, some of the time ..."

530 Former Belgian  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 3:32:17pm

I'm not eligible to vote in the USA. The missus, who is, is still a registered Democrat AFAIK (although she pulled the lever for Dubya in 2004 in disgust at Kerry).

Ironically, her aged mother (dyed-in-the-wool D) likes Romney, and quipped that the adherent of a supposedly polygamist religion is the only R candidate who was still with his 1st wife. (Just quoting.)

For me it would be a bit of a Hobson's Choice if I actually had my citizenship papers. While I'm probably not a "real" conservative by some conservatives' standards (like I care), I'd vote for any Republican nominee. If I were (G-d forbid) a registered Dem I'd hold my nose and vote Hillary (then go vomit my guts out) since Obama sets off all my alarm bells on foreign policy and seems to be an ideological liberal otherwise. (At least Hillary just might be as ruthless to America's enemies as she is to her own political enemies.) On the R side, I might prefer McCain over Romney (my initial favorite was Rudy) but it would be a toss-up, since neither is what I'd really like and I don't see either being much more electable than the other. McCain's "RINOness" is an asset with floating voters but may cause some people to stay home, and you can be sure that the Dems will go after him for his age. Romney may rally the GOP base a bit better but has some peoples' hangups about Mormons working against him.

531 aaron's rantblog  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 3:32:33pm

3 votes for Mitt from my house: me, Mrs. Rantblogg and my eldest who voted for the first time.

Stop Dem and Demmer.

532 Sco  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 3:40:38pm

Romney : The right choice, Charles, given the alternatives.

Good for you.

533 Former Belgian  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 3:45:48pm

re: #528 Spiny Norman

re: #513 Just Another Four-letter Word

What Bard (and everyone else who thinks we should take in the poor from every nation - anyone who makes it over the border) fails to understand is that an open border is fundamentally incompatible with the modern Welfare State.

That 's not just my opinion, that was Milton Friedman's.

Amen. If these were people running away from genocidal or democidal war, that would be one thing. But these are people that basically are economic refugees from a failing state. And the USA has the right to ask such people to make an effort to become "Americans" if they want to stay.

Belgium made the mistake of opening its borders to cheap labor in the 1960s (when there was effectively zero unemployment in Belgium and menial or physically demanding jobs would have gone unfilled otherwise), and got rewarded with a Muslim immigrant minority, part of it unassimilable. But even the Belgians insist that they learn Dutch or French if they want to become naturalized.

534 Former Belgian  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 3:47:34pm

re: #531 aaron's rantblog

3 votes for Mitt from my house: me, Mrs. Rantblogg and my eldest who voted for the first time.

Stop Dem and Demmer.

ROTFL, even though I think of McCain as a centrist rather than a Dem in drag.

535 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 3:50:56pm

re: #517 Irish Rose

re: #516 Just Another Four-letter Word

Okay, you AND SagamoreGal need to check your medication...

JAFLW

And you need to learn how to disagree with people without being offensive.

Tsk, tsk. Poor baby. Can't take the heat when somebody strongly disagrees wid ya?

Get out of the kitchen, sweetie.

JAFLW

536 profitsbeard  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 4:03:35pm

Mitt is just okay.

McCain just sucks.

Now to vote.

537 Maui Girl  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 4:07:12pm

If it ends up with McCain as the nominee I'll have to look at it this way:

Don't vote and risk putting a liberal Democrat in office

Vote and put a moderate Democrat in office

The lesser of two evils....

I like Mitt because he gets it when it comes to global jihad and he's economically savvy. Two things that are very important to me are my and my family's security, both physically and financially.

538 PalsyClown  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 4:07:36pm

but but but, McCain is a VET!

I was actually told by a coworker today that they would NEVER vote for a mormon. That's too bad - 'cos it's not like Mitt's built himiself into a multi-millionaire on his own, saved failing businesses, and was governor of MA - he's just too crazy to run the country?

Unfortunately, that's what we're facing. That, and McCain's dirty politics and the obvious fact that he and the Huckster are in bed together.

The whole mormon thing irks me too, but the guy obviously has proven himself. Voting for Mitt, but here in KS, the caucus will be too late. If it ends up McCain, count me out on Nov 4.

539 nycat  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 4:47:11pm

re: #516 Just Another Four-letter Word

When Romney ran against Kennedy for Senate, he was on the opposite side of everything. He was a liberal and now he is a conservative. like I said a phony. My meds are just fine.

540 Perplexed  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 5:54:06pm

Well, we can rest assured that if either McCain or another demonicrat get elected that we will be in another major war.

WWII brought to you by dems
Korea brought to you by dems
Viet Nam brought to you by dems
Present war with Islam brought to you by spineless dems (carter)

Republicans have a history of finishing the wars they inherit.

541 nycat  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 7:36:56pm

re: #8 Ward Cleaver

gave you a minus by accident and can't figure out how to change it.
good comment! sorry,

542 Digger Dan  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 8:31:04pm

re: #526 SunCat

I do not know who "Mitt" Romney is . . .

Say what? Just look him up on Wikipedia (huge amount of info) - or Google him if that's too complicated (over 12,000,000 entries)! He even (hello!) has his own web page. Amazon has 47 "Mitt Romney" books and gifts listed. All this took me about 30 seconds to find.

543 donna quixote  Tue, Feb 5, 2008 8:40:26pm

I long for the days of the smoke filled room. This primary system stinks.
Unknowingly, I solved my voting dilemna by voting early for Giuliani....he cancelled his campaign the next day.
I am clinging to the vain hope that someone of heroic mental stature will ride in on his white steed and save the day.


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