Thank you very much for posting this, Charles.

History and Beliefs of the Coptic Christians in Egypt

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...] mama winger, you made the DMNews today.

Rights (?) of Coptics in Egypt

It's not working.

re: #3 beens21

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...] mama winger, you made the DMNews today.

OH MY! LOL!

Strong on war on terror. Check. Supports our military and the war effort. Check. Pro-life. Check. Spending restrictions/tax cuts. Check. Immigration. Prove it. McCain-Feingold. Really bad idea. Not unforgivable. Not morally repugnant. Some potential for improvement. I can live with that. (How's that for a ringing endorsement?)

mama winger
littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog

yep - that's me alright! haha

heartbreaking. the archbishop of canterbury needs to see what he is ushering in. the whole free world needs to see this hideous injustice and the palis need to shut their damn islam holes.

. The Christian Copts in Cairo are living in a filthy ghetto, inside the garbage.
Rats feed on the children as they sleep.
The Egyptian Government wants to keep it a secret.

Cairo receives about two billion dollars annually from the United States.

By forced conversion, attrition under the jizya, plain old killing off and other means, the once majority of Copts is now a singled out minority group and harassed continuously by the Muslims. Land rights, economic rights and freedom to practice their religion is not what the now majority of Muslims want for the Copts. I thought Christians and Jews loved being ruled by the fair and benevolent Muslim Overlords? Guess not......

I weep as I watch.

re: #3 beens21

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...] mama winger, you made the DMNews today.

way to go mama winger.

re: #11 nyc redneck

re: #3 beens21

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...] mama winger, you made the DMNews today.

way to go mama winger.

Ya think I'll get residuals? :)

re: #12 mama winger

re: #11 nyc redneck

re: #3 beens21

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...] mama winger, you made the DMNews today.

way to go mama winger.

Ya think I'll get residuals? :)

you could join the writers strike.

And the fact they choose to live there under those conditions being second class citizens makes them... smart?

"If the world hated me, they will surely hate you as well" -Jesus

Come to America!

re: #14 theheat

And the fact they choose to live there under those conditions being second class citizens makes them... smart?

It makes them Egyptians. Where should they go?

re: #6 mama winger

re: #3 beens21

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...] mama winger, you made the DMNews today.

OH MY! LOL!

Strong on war on terror. Check. Supports our military and the war effort. Check. Pro-life. Check. Spending restrictions/tax cuts. Check. Immigration. Prove it. McCain-Feingold. Really bad idea. Not unforgivable. Not morally repugnant. Some potential for improvement. I can live with that. (How's that for a ringing endorsement?)mama winger
littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog

yep - that's me alright! haha

Excellent post. No garbage. Makes me proud to be a Lizard.

re: #14 theheat

They convert.....that is their land, their heritage....where will they move? Copts are some of the first Christians. They have a 2000 year history in that place...Turn the other cheek, or convert so you kids can eat and you can get a good job and own land, etc......that's been the plan since the riders from the east came in and took over....It is a testament to their faith that they are still holding on.....look at other places the dark cloud spread: not many Zoroastrians left in Iran, not many Buddhists or Hindus left in Pakistan or Afghanistan, not many Christians left in North Africa, not many of any religion left where the Muslims took over.....

re: #17 mama winger

Exactly. Their ancestors have been there since at least Biblical times. Why should they leave?

More importantly, however, why should they be second class citizens, abused and impoverished? They shouldn't.

Damned if Islam gets one inch of respect from me.

where are the moslem civil rights workers who should be helping these oppressed people?!?
spit.

re: #20 Dianna

Exactly:

The Catechetical School of Alexandria is the oldest Catechetical School in the world. Soon after its inception around 190 A.D. by the Christian scholar Pantanaeus, the school of Alexandria became the most important institution of religious learning in Christendom. Many prominent bishops from many areas of the world were instructed in that school under scholars such as Athenagoras, Clement, Didymus, and the great Origen, who was considered the father of theology and who was also active in the field of commentary and comparative Biblical studies.

Origen wrote over 6,000 commentaries of the Bible in addition to his famous Hexapla. Many scholars such as Saint Jerome visited the school of Alexandria to exchange ideas and to communicate directly with its scholars. The scope of the school of Alexandria was not limited to theological subjects, because science, mathematics and the humanities were also taught there: The question and answer method of commentary began there, and 15 centuries before Braille, wood-carving techniques were in use there by blind scholars to read and write.

We know all this stuff. Anyone with a brain knows all this stuff. Why do we need a Brit documentary that shows it? Because people don't WANT to know the truth, and their eyes are squeezed shut so tight that we need crowbars to open them.

Why isn't stuff like this shown in schools instead of Fahrenheit 911 and Al Gore's Gaia worship?

Would someone seethe?

Daughter is here - gotta run .......

bbl

re: #14 theheat

Writing out loud does not hinder you in the slightest from being an asswipe!

re: #23 cookielady

We know all this stuff. Anyone with a brain knows all this stuff. Why do we need a Brit documentary that shows it? Because people don't WANT to know the truth, and their eyes are squeezed shut so tight that we need crowbars to open them.

Why isn't stuff like this shown in schools instead of Fahrenheit 911 and Al Gore's Gaia worship?

Would someone seethe?

I accept the tag team tag and will seethe until I'm re-tagged.

re: #24 mama winger

Daughter is here - gotta run .......

bbl

Little Wingette!

re: #23 cookielady

They don't want to offend them....that's why. Besides, once Sharia law is enacted in the UK, the BBC will be showing a much different type of programing anyway. I think some of that programming is available on MEMRI right now......

these people, simply because they are christians, are forced to into such a degrading situation just to survive. it is a testament to the human spirit that they can even go on living, breathing, sleeping and eating garbage. what a prison on earth for them. this is islam.

I'm sure the UN is all over this.

/extreme

Wow it looks like Gaza.........only, worse.

Human Rights Watch are probably rushing to the scene as I type.

We have moved backwards in time...to an uncivilized civilization.

And we worry about the Mormons.....

The Copts are doing better than the Egyptian Jews. Second Class , alive is better than First Class, dead.

Tell me again how respectful Islam of religious minorities. The truth is that Islam allows rich minorities to funnel resource to the ummah, but once the cash goes away the minorities find it increasing difficult to survive. The Copts survive because the muslims cannot provide trash service because it involves dealing with the unclean. Islam can only function where muslims can live as a privileged caste.

re: #33 Texas Joel

Islam can only function where muslims can live as a privileged caste.

I believe you hit it right on the head, there.

Another fine example of the tolerance of the Religion of Peace

This is an appalling deterioration of a humanitarian catastrophe.

Sorry. My mistake. The humanitarian catastrophe is in Gaza where Israel reduced electricity by 1%.

This Dhimmi existence by Christians in Egypt is fine. It must be. I never hear SOS Rice or British Foreign Secretary, David Miliband- or any of the usual entities who are so very involved with "human rights"- ever mention any concern.

BUT

Miliband 'concerned with Gaza situation'

"We are extremely concerned by reports that Israel has reduced electricity supplies to Gaza," they said. "We believe that such action risks a further deterioration in the humanitarian situation in Gaza without improving the security situation.

The ministers expressed concern about working conditions in the strip and called on Israel to heed to international law.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

This is the fucked up World we live in....and the fault is not with Islam it is with the Governments of the West. Never mind turning a blind eye, we actually pay 'Palestinians' as they murder Israels and pay Egypt $Billions while they commit such outrage on Christians. Muslims will be Muslims but what rule book says we must be Dhimmis. Oh, yeah, that book.

I, for one, cannot wait to bow down before our new lesbian overlords.

Egypt is the first Islamic country I ever heard of doing a public competition of ''who is the most religious Muslim."
I mean, they cover their little girls younger than anywhere els and their men hit the carpet 47 times a day harder than anywhere else.
So, it makes sense to me that their men make a practice of kidnapping any Coptic girl old enough to impregnate, rape her then forcibly marry and convert her.
I just wish the Copts in that slum could keep the recyclables at the perimeters and have some nice places to live in the center. Just saying.
Thanks for linking to it, Charles, it was horrific and necessary for the world to be exposed to it.
I'm sending the links out to many people today.....before it disappears.

Roger Ebert Hates Republicans

...in case you didn't already know.

And, oh great, another movie proving that Cheney, Bush, et al like to torture and kill innocent people.

Come to America!

moslems tell us : islam is not here to be equal to any religion, it is here to dominate. we need to look at what they say. it is obvious they mean it.

are the jews responsible for the copts plight like bad weather and dandruff

The whole Middle-East is a cesspool because of Islam. The sooner we can find an alternative source of energy and tell these pigs to fend for themselves the better the world is going to be.
In the meantime I sincerely hope that our governments know where all the Muslims in the West are, so they can be rounded up and shipped back.

re: #38 mean Gene

Egypt is the first Islamic country I ever heard of doing a public competition of ''who is the most religious Muslim."
I mean, they cover their little girls younger than anywhere els and their men hit the carpet 47 times a day harder than anywhere else.
So, it makes sense to me that their men make a practice of kidnapping any Coptic girl old enough to impregnate, rape her then forcibly marry and convert her.
I just wish the Copts in that slum could keep the recyclables at the perimeters and have some nice places to live in the center. Just saying.
Thanks for linking to it, Charles, it was horrific and necessary for the world to be exposed to it.
I'm sending the links out to many people today.....before it disappears.

look how industrious they are. compare these people to the palis.
the world is upside down.

A few things I few from this.

While the Coptics voluntarily live in that slum, if they do not, they are abused and attacked.

Egypt actively discriminates against Christians in their enforcement of the law and participation. That story about the family's daughter is disturbing. What was the "official story?" She converted to Islam and married someone?

The Christians in Egypt are true believers. I'm almost ashamed that I am so lackadaisical in my belief given their dedication to Christianity.

The Egyptian "minders" are idiots. A 6" tall Anglo-Saxon in Egypt can "give them the slip?" Granted, it's not as bad as a 6" tall Anglo-Saxon in Hong Kong, but still how hard is it to find this guy. Look for the tall white dude.

Let' em know how you feel!

Email: Embassy@egyptembassy.net

re: #46 Little Boomer

Let' em know how you feel!

Email: Embassy@egyptembassy.net

They don't care how we feel. Submit or die, remember?

Silly infidel.

As Bat Ye'or pointed out: Islamic tolerance is not the same thing as rights, tolerance is conditional. I guess this is the benevolent side of it, too.

Kinda like being taken by the hand and shown what to expect by the Ghost of Christmas Future.
Paying attention, europe?

re: #49 ROP?LOL

Kinda like being taken by the hand and shown what to expect by the Ghost of Christmas Ramadan Future.
Paying attention, europe?

fixed that for you

re: #26 debutaunt

Tag, you're it! Or tag, I'm it?

I really meant that the enemy would seethe, ya know. Of course, maybe if WE seethed a bit, things would change!

So, I am now seething away. Whoohoo!

And not a peep from Mr Born again Chrisitan Bush, oh wait that's right Bush only cares about money.

re: #52 pegcity

And not a peep from Mr Born again Chrisitan Bush, oh wait that's right Bush only cares about money.

What money do we get from Egypt?

Stay on track... he's the president, not the theologian-in-chief.

Can we give THEM a state instead?

" Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. "
- Matthew 5:10

from part three "it is better to live here in the rubbish where there is JESUS than to live with mulsims!" now that is FAITH

i saw those neighborhoods from the tour bus, the trash is unbelievable, i learned about the Copts then. I know it is not much but now sponsor an Egyptian child thru Save the Children in a Coptic area in southern Egypt, the family wiht the kidnapped daugheter frightens me for "my"daughter she is now age 12.

Those of us who are Christians here, and I'm guessing there are many .. find a way to help people like this. We live with such comforts, lazily gliding along our safe, clean lives .. always talking about "helping others", but never doing much about it. Start asking questions! Get out of your comfort zone and find a way to reach communities like this! Take a stand!

re: #57 Captkirk35

Those of us who are Christians here, and I'm guessing there are many .. find a way to help people like this. We live with such comforts, lazily gliding along our safe, clean lives .. always talking about "helping others", but never doing much about it. Start asking questions! Get out of your comfort zone and find a way to reach communities like this! Take a stand!

Save the Children, pick Egypt, girl or boy

Charles, thank you so much for posting this.
I've been working on gathering and writings about the plight of Christians in the Muslim world for years and it is getting worse and worse, bloodier and bloodier. "First the Saturday people... (who they've now murdered or driven out with nothing but the shirts on their backs). Next the Sunday people..."
Wake up, world.

OT:
Get Ready For Geert Wilders Film "Fitna"

Part of the rich tapestry of Islamic culture.

*spit*

But, it's ok, the Koran says so! Come on, people! The words of God, as told to his most humble Prophet, say that people of the Book are not as good as true believers. They are not real people anyway, not in a Koranic sense...It is fitting that they live like this...all infidels should know their place.

/sarc

Amen to that,

you can learn much more about world wide Christian persecution at the Voice of the Martyrs Martyrs for Christ,, not virgins

[Link: www.persecution.com...]

re: #59 undhimmicratic

Charles, thank you so much for posting this.
I've been working on gathering and writings about the plight of Christians in the Muslim world for years and it is getting worse and worse, bloodier and bloodier. "First the Saturday people... (who they've now murdered or driven out with nothing but the shirts on their backs). Next the Sunday people..."
Wake up, world.

I've sent these links to my representatives, and I urge you all to do the same.

GMTA, ploome.

Iron like a Lion in Zion
~
History of Jihad against the Egyptian Coptic Christians

Ok so as a Jew, I'll make sure the messiah doesn't come today by posting, but can you Christians tell me why there are no Congressional resolutions, no pressure for action here? Egypt gets a couple billion a year in US aid, but why is Charles a lone voice in the wilderness? Don't blame the MSM, they hate us too, but AIPAC gets all sorts of resolutions.

We support our oppressed breatheren all over the world, but why not even NGO actions to help these Christians? Same thing everywhere in RoP-ville; the Christians in Bethlehem, and elsewhere are scared Dhimmi, but why no huge marches, no demands at the UN (ha!), not even mass tourism to support them....what gives?

/not joking!

Another good resource is [Link: www.compassdirect.org...]

re: #70 Kobyashi Maru

In two words, imitatio Christi.

Hindutva (Hindu Nationalists) and the war on Christians in India

as a American I can only say- the obvious- politics and money

as a Christian I can only say only God knows, as HE is in control of his plan from the beginning, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow,

re: #70 Kobyashi Maru

Ok so as a Jew, I'll make sure the messiah doesn't come today by posting, but can you Christians tell me why there are no Congressional resolutions, no pressure for action here? Egypt gets a couple billion a year in US aid, but why is Charles a lone voice in the wilderness? Don't blame the MSM, they hate us too, but AIPAC gets all sorts of resolutions.

We support our oppressed breatheren all over the world, but why not even NGO actions to help these Christians? Same thing everywhere in RoP-ville; the Christians in Bethlehem, and elsewhere are scared Dhimmi, but why no huge marches, no demands at the UN (ha!), not even mass tourism to support them....what gives?

/not joking!

re: #72 ploome hineni

Christians are being killed all over the world , utter silence in the MSM

re: #75 ploome hineni

I think it also has to do with being afraid of religious advocacy in the secular state.

I knew that the situation was rather desperate for the Copts in Egypt but this video just solidified my impressions. It needs to be aired in every house of worship in this country.

Every year we give the Egyptians more than $2 billion in aid - $1.3 B in military and $800 M in direct economic. It is shameful.

The POTUS claims he is a Christian, how he could allow this and other Mussel-man atrocities is beyond me. Oh yeah we need to pay the Jizyah oil tax to terrorists.

Then I saw thrones, and sitting on them were those to whom authority to act as judges and to pass sentence was entrusted. Also I saw the souls of those who had been slain with axes [beheaded] for their witnessing to Jesus and [for preaching and testifying] for the Word of God, and who had refused to pay homage to the beast or his statue and had not accepted his mark or permitted it to be stamped on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived again and ruled with the Messiah a thousand years.
~ Revelation 20:4

re: #80 ploome hineni

MMHMM!

Christian Persecution In Iraq: Father Ragheed Ganni

re: #84 ploome hineni

re: #78 godfrey

re: #75 ploome hineni

I think it also has to do with being afraid of religious advocacy in the secular state.

yes, I am sure it has

religious advocacy is rediculed, and seen as crusading

except for coddling islam.

Christian persecution in Pakistan

re: #79 ploome hineni

( what's with my spelling today?)

yowr spelin luks okey 2 mee

re: #84 ploome hineni

And of course, any follower of Christ must by definition be an oppressor. This is the deep gnosis of the enlightened Gramscian class.

Zanzibar - Muslims kidnapping Christian children and forcing them to convert to Islam

re: #90 godfrey

re: #84 ploome hineni

And of course, any follower of Christ must by definition be an oppressor. This is the deep gnosis of the enlightened Gramscian class.

not to mention a mindless follower

ha ha ,did u lern to spel in a las vegus skool

re: #89 sattv4u2

re: #79 ploome hineni

( what's with my spelling today?)

yowr spelin luks okey 2 mee

'...endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness..."

The demise of islam will come, and the Coptic Christians will see a better day.

Palestinian Christians Facing Persecution

re: #52 pegcity

And not a peep from Mr Born again Chrisitan Bush, oh wait that's right Bush only cares about money.

Not exactly - all he cares about is the flow of oil. One of the many mistakes Bush has made in office was to cow-tow to the Bedouin bushwhackers and continue to play Dhimmi. After invading Iraq he should have resolutely placed his hand on the Sheiks shoulders and informed them politely that if they didn't cooperate that they were next. Peace through strength not Dhimmitude.

Persecuted Christians - Sudan

re: #94 Ojoe

'...endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness..."

The demise of islam will come, and the Coptic Christians will see a better day.

True as that may be, thats little solace to those being persecuted and prosecuted for their beleifs today !

if u cn rd ths u cn mk gd mny n gt a gd jb

Thanks Babba for all the links! All nicely packaged and ready for the next salvo.

News from the persecuted church around the world

re: #100 godfrey

It is EVERYWHERE

I have wanted to post on it for a long time

re: #99 BabbaZee

if u cn rd ths u cn mk gd mny n gt a gd jb

Alex,,, may I buy a vowel ?

re: #72 ploome hineni

This sectarianism must go; IMHO the scourge of islam is sent to unify us, meaning all good people.

There could be other reasons too.

re: #99 BabbaZee

if u cn rd ths u cn mk gd mny n gt a gd jb

With bennies?

According to David B. Barrett's research, 70 million Christians were killed for their faith across 20 centuries (Barrett, Kurian & Johnson 2001:5). and 65% of them—45,000,000—died in the 20th Century (Zenit)

Today, in 79 countries some 2.2 billion people (50.6% of the world in 1980) live under restrictions on their religious freedom, despite the guarantees in those countries' constitutions"

According to Paul Marshall/Lela Gilbert’s Their Blood Cries Out, over 200,000,000 Christians are suffering persecution and an additional 400,000,000 million people are suffering from discrimination and legal impediments. (Marshall/Gilbert: 4)

Barrett’s survey estimates that 173,000 Christians are martyred every year for their faith. Although communism In North Korea, China and other such regimes and, as Babbazee points out in India, radical Hinduism contribute to the problem, Islam is the primary persecutor of Christians in today's world

The extermination of Iraqi Christians

Islam deforms the human image wherever its shadows fall.

This is similar to the treatment of Jews by medieval Christian Europe.Stuff them in a ghetto,villify and diminish, restrict their ability to earn a living.Jews could only participate in usury, these Copts in garbage picking.Fortunately Christianity had an enlightenment, unfortunately, Islam won't anytime soon.

Murdering Christians in "secular" Turkey

re: #98 sattv4u2

It is only the tiniest solace. But the more people stand up and act on it, the more solace it will be.

If the Dems win the next election and 'end the war, bring the troops home', the solace in those words will diminish.

nonsense, everyone knows that pali-sin-ians are muslims, the world must cower to their every want and need,
/sarc (if i really need to)

re: #95 BabbaZee

Palestinian Christians Facing Persecution

re: #111 vagabond trader

Wrong then, wrong now. And I would say Christianity became progressively truer to its essential nature.

Hmmm, no Copt haters yet. On these threads usually somebody jumps in saying Copts stink. I'm glad those days are gone.

re: #109 godfrey

Its is a nationalist Hindu aryan revival from one side and a Muslim jihad on the other for India's Christians.....

re: #117 Killgore Trout

I dont remember those days

BBL

re: #109 godfrey

Islam deforms the human image wherever its shadows fall.

Keep it off of our soil!

re: #116 godfrey

ummm, took you guys a while, but fortunately we got on and didn't mope around in hopes you'd love us one day.

ok vowels only

i ou a ea i ou a ae oo oe a e a oo o
re: #103 sattv4u2

re: #99 BabbaZee

if u cn rd ths u cn mk gd mny n gt a gd jb

Alex,,, may I buy a vowel ?

re: #122 vagabond trader

Well, all good people are seamlessly connected at the deepest level, is what I think.

re: #123 bcgirl

ok vowels only

i ou a ea i ou a ae oo oe a e a oo o
re: #103 sattv4u2

re: #99 BabbaZee

if u cn rd ths u cn mk gd mny n gt a gd jb

Alex,,, may I buy a vowel ?

Great ,,,,, now I have to break out my WTF to English dictionary !

The wrongs of Christian nations or churches are the wrong of Man, and are at variance with Christianity. The evil of Moslem nations is the evil of Man in concert with the evil of islam. Big difference.

JWM

re: #124 Ojoe

Agreed.

re: #126 JWM

Also in concert with Lucibello, IMHO.

Gotta get to chores, Bye.

re: #119 BabbaZee

It wasn't that long ago. I never really understood the animosity but there were charges of antisemitism and that they're not really Christians.

re: #70 Kobyashi Maru

Honestly.. i don't know. Fear, indifference, political correctness, satan.. all of the above.. I wish to God I had an answer. I think it's time for those who care to get off our hands.

if you can read this you make money and get a good job

heheheheheheh,, well maybe, sometimes only at the mall!

re: #125 sattv4u2

re: #128 Ojoe

Stan harmonizes with his minions.

JWM

re: #122 vagabond trader

I am not my ancestors. You will find me true.

re: #131 bcgirl

if you can read this you make money and get a good job

heheheheheheh,, well maybe, sometimes only at the mall!

re: #125 sattv4u2

I think on the next thread i'll just post my comments in morse code!

..-.. .-- ... .-. --...-..--.-

( I have no idea what I just "said")

re: #33 Texas Joel

The Copts are doing better than the Egyptian Jews. Second Class , alive is better than First Class, dead.

Tell me again how respectful Islam of religious minorities. The truth is that Islam allows rich minorities to funnel resource to the ummah, but once the cash goes away the minorities find it increasing difficult to survive. The Copts survive because the muslims cannot provide trash service because it involves dealing with the unclean. Islam can only function where muslims can live as a privileged caste.

"TXJ" -

Question, if the muslims can't/won't pick up the trash, might it NOT be an idea to get together with that community and provide them with modern sanitation equipment. They could literally "clean up", including economically. Here in NJ at least, carting companies do rather well. The Coptic Community living well from their efforts would be the best revenge.

-S-

re: #133 godfrey

Just musing on how history seems to repeat when nothing is learned.I am married to a Christian so obviously hold no great animosities.

I have been smack dab in the middle of Garbage City. Went there in 1988 with a group call Celebrants. We were a Christian music group that traveled the world giving "concerts". We were taken inside the "city" and set up our equipment in their church and had a concert. The stench was overwhelming but you get used to it. The people were amazing and it was unbelieveable to say the least and the world pretty well hadn't a clue that such a place existed.

The stats at the time were saying that Coptic Christians were some of the financially better off citizens in the city. They picked through the garbage that they'd pick up (a requirement of their living in "peace") and restore and resell a lot of it. They're annual incomes were higher than a regular government worker there. They have done an amazing job of living under the thumbs of the Muslims. It is disgusting to say the least but a perfect example of how certain groups of people learn to survive under oppression. Unlike the Paleos who just gripe and complain and continue to claim oppression while they hurl bombs into Israel. Amazing contrast. I'll never forget that time of my life and have lots of pictures to remind me.

oh please dontcant read morse code but can read without vowles, ;-)

re: #134 sattv4u2

re: #131 bcgirl

if you can read this you make money and get a good job

heheheheheheh,, well maybe, sometimes only at the mall!

re: #125 sattv4u2

I think on the next thread i'll just post my comments in morse code!

..-.. .-- ... .-. --...-..--.-

( I have no idea what I just "said")

re: #135 Dr. Shalit

This multi generational garbage picking is obviously the way Egyptian Muslims keep their Copt population just where they want them.Note how they are "allowed" to worship in tunnels providing no one from the ROP is contaminated with their heresy.

re: #129 Killgore Trout

Mercifully I must have missed those threads.

Persecution of Christians in Sudan

re: #129 Killgore Trout

Coptic Christians have a slightly different view of the nature of Christ and his divinity than that which became orthodox in the Latin Church at Chalcedon. Reading about the controversy now, I can't help but think the differences are hardly large enough to justify any serious rancor. As long as they don't jeopardize how we Christians understand the Atonement, they're speculative matters. That said, at an early period in Christian theology, and at a time when communication was difficulty and slow, the differences led to serious breaches.

Persecution of Christians in Indonesia

re: #138 bcgirl

oh please dontcant read morse code but can read without vowles, ;-)

re: #134 sattv4u2

re: #131 bcgirl

if you can read this you make money and get a good job
heheheheheheh,, well maybe, sometimes only at the mall!

re: #125 sattv4u2

I think on the next thread i'll just post my comments in morse code!
..-.. .-- ... .-. --...-..--.-

( I have no idea what I just "said")

damn,,, I need to get my eyes examined ,,, I thought you typed that you can read without BOWELS !

that underground church is amazing for sure, just the brief pictures in the link , wow, just wow, you are very lucky to have been there for sure, i just saw the buildings and trash from the bus window on the way to Memphis (not tenessee)

re: #137 Maui Girl

I have been smack dab in the middle of Garbage City. Went there in 1988 with a group call Celebrants. We were a Christian music group that traveled the world giving "concerts". We were taken inside the "city" and set up our equipment in their church and had a concert. The stench was overwhelming but you get used to it. The people were amazing and it was unbelieveable to say the least and the world pretty well hadn't a clue that such a place existed.

The stats at the time were saying that Coptic Christians were some of the financially better off citizens in the city. They picked through the garbage that they'd pick up (a requirement of their living in "peace") and restore and resell a lot of it. They're annual incomes were higher than a regular government worker there. They have done an amazing job of living under the thumbs of the Muslims. It is disgusting to say the least but a perfect example of how certain groups of people learn to survive under oppression. Unlike the Paleos who just gripe and complain and continue to claim oppression while they hurl bombs into Israel. Amazing contrast. I'll never forget that time of my life and have lots of pictures to remind me.

Egyptian Police Attacking Christians

Yikkies......

How can they do this !

The story of three recently executed Christian infidels in Indonesia

i'm so intrigued how that guy handled those plastic bottles so efficiently. he processed that stuff better than a machine could. so many of those people would be an asset to america. this is the group we need to allow in. they will be appreciative, hard working, good citizens.

Brigitte Gabriel: Christian Persecution in the Middle East

Part II

Christians in Pakistan are suffering relentless persecution

re: #142 BabbaZee,

Anywhere you find Mohammedans in the Majority, you find the persecution of Christians. I wonder why that is?

it is ironic that Islam preaches & Muslims embrace a Supremest ideology,
yet they have such high insecurity that they are threatened by any divergence.
Your heart has to break for these people, but not to worry.
After he is elected Blessed Hussein Obama is calling a confab of Islamic leaders.I am sure that he will put an end to these kind of outrages.
Oh wait, he said he wanted to hear their concerns. You know why they hate the US & Israel.
Well maybe after that.

re: #144 bcgirl

I never take what I have been given for granted. Never! My 17 days in and around Cairo were eye-opening. We went to places that the normal folks don't go, which of course was the whole point of the ministry. We of course were reminded time and again to not talk about Christianity to anyone outside of the places we held our concerts. Evangelizing is also a crime under their Islamic State Law.

Persecution of Christians by The Terrorist African Government of Eritrea

part II

part III

re: #93 bcgirl

ha ha ,did u lern to spel in a las vegus skool

re: #89 sattv4u2

re: #79 ploome hineni

( what's with my spelling today?)

yowr spelin luks okey 2 mee

Whut dose dat subhosed ta meen?

re: #151 Iron Fist

re: #142 BabbaZee,

Anywhere you find Mohammedans in the Majority, you find the persecution of Christians. I wonder why that is?

Because Allah loves Stan.

re: #151 Iron Fist

I keep telling people it IS a Holy war
but they usually just hiss and throw fruit.

lol

You know, I used to wonder when people (non-muslims)would run out of places to run into (the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the US of A used to be on my list.
But these people never get a chance to run away.
AND, add to that, the UK and Canada are falling to dhimmitude as we speak!
There will be no place left, and it will be that way in my lifetime, I can see the writing on the wall.
But what can I do?

re: #148 nyc redneck

That's just a small part of how these people make their living. They are the kings & queens of recycling.

1400 years of persecution of the Copts

Egypyian Muslims and the Egyptian Police destroy a church in Alfayom

re: #157 BabbaZee

re: #151 Iron Fist

I keep telling people it IS a Holy war
but they usually just hiss and throw fruit.

lol

Next time, can you get me a 3 grapefruits , a dozen red delicious apples, a bunch of bananas and one grape!

Congressman Cliff Stearns on the Persecution of Indian Christians May 2007

re: #51 cookielady

re: #26 debutaunt

Tag, you're it! Or tag, I'm it?

I really meant that the enemy would seethe, ya know. Of course, maybe if WE seethed a bit, things would change!

So, I am now seething away. Whoohoo!

My inept seething has only befuddled my husband.

re: #49 ROP?LOL

that's what I thought of.......
if you don't have the 'mark', you can't buy or sell, etc.......

looks like it's here, folks

re: #161 sattv4u2

Sure, I'll see what flies by.

because,,, lalalalal,,,,it is in the koran, it's written in the koran, lalaallah la la it's written in the koran

wish i had the song link?

(and also first, in the Bible, not specifically named islam (Ishmael) or Christian (gentile)

re: #151 Iron Fist

re: #142 BabbaZee,

Anywhere you find Mohammedans in the Majority, you find the persecution of Christians. I wonder why that is?

re: #165 BabbaZee

re: #161 sattv4u2

Sure, I'll see what flies by.

ummm, not to complain, but I would prefer the fruit without the flies !

re: #157 BabbaZee,

We can't win until we start naming the Enemy. It is, indeed, a religious War. We may not think we are at war with Islam, but Islam is at war with us. Has been for 1400 years.

re: #157 BabbaZee

There are even some Christians who prefer not to pay much attention to Satan. For me, Islam is Satan's perfected religion. I see the TRUTH but sometimes it is very difficult to get others to SEE it as well. My Spirit-given gift is of discernment.

I used to room with an Iraqi Christian. The entire family fled in the middle of the night when Saddam took over.IIRC their native language was not Arabic but Aramaic. Seems Christian presence goes way back there as well.

Thanks for posting this. It's clear by watching this exactly what Islam is all about. People that claim otherwise are just fooling themselves and feeding disinformation to others.

re: #168 Iron Fist

Amen
And not only with Islam.

With all the perverted ~isms of Stan and the covenant with death

re: #159 Maui Girl

re: #148 nyc redneck

That's just a small part of how these people make their living. They are the kings & queens of recycling.

that's exactly what i am saying. that's how they spend their time. not lobbing rockets and strapping on suicide vests and seething and rioting. they recycle.

FUCK STAN and his minions. Fuck 'em all!

re: #169 Maui Girl

There are even some Christians who prefer not to pay much attention to Satan.

If only you were hot or cold ....but because you are lukewarm I will spit you out of my mouth......

If you've never seen Satan it's cause you are both walking in the same direction....

re: #167 sattv4u2

Badingbangboom

He's here all week, ladies and germs

re: #166 bcgirl

wish i had the song link?

I find it amazing that the MSM can overlook the ongoing persecution of Christians and Jews through out the world.

The MSM has outlived it's purpose and most now go away to the dust bin of history.

i only had 10 days and ony 4 in cairo, but we took the bus between Esna and Luxor due to the locks being closed in the Nile, everything about those 10 days was an eye opener for me, like you i will never ever forget it,

while they did point out the Coptic church in Cairo, the did not mention anything about the actual people who "worship" there and our tour group did not visit any such sites, Mosque of Mohammade Ali at the Citidal, of course! and when we were at some other sites the guide did actualy say that the christians destroyed some of the carvings, by defacing the faces and legs of the "gods" so that they could not be seen or "walk" themselves away, and also lived inside the temples and the fires blackend the roofs.

re: #153 Maui Girl

re: #144 bcgirl

I never take what I have been given for granted. Never! My 17 days in and around Cairo were eye-opening. We went to places that the normal folks don't go, which of course was the whole point of the ministry. We of course were reminded time and again to not talk about Christianity to anyone outside of the places we held our concerts. Evangelizing is also a crime under their Islamic State Law.

Bolder City, 1978

re: #155 VegasRick

re: #93 bcgirl

ha ha ,did u lern to spel in a las vegus skool

re: #89 sattv4u2

re: #79 ploome hineni

( what's with my spelling today?)

yowr spelin luks okey 2 mee

Whut dose dat subhosed ta meen?

hookd on foniks!
that is how my younger sister learned to spell back then, there in 197ish
re: #180 bcgirl

Bolder City, 1978

re: #155 VegasRick

re: #93 bcgirl

ha ha ,did u lern to spel in a las vegus skool
re: #89 sattv4u2

re: #79 ploome hineni

( what's with my spelling today?)

yowr spelin luks okey 2 mee

Whut dose dat subhosed ta meen?

re: #134 sattv4u2

re: #131 bcgirl

if you can read this you make money and get a good job

heheheheheheh,, well maybe, sometimes only at the mall!

re: #125 sattv4u2

I think on the next thread i'll just post my comments in morse code!

..-.. .-- ... .-. --...-..--.-

( I have no idea what I just "said")

"To be or not to be, that is the gizornan plan."

and Isalm is sooo oppressed worldwide.1.8 billion and no sign of stopping.

[Link: www.islamicpopulation.com...]

re: #178 BulgarWheat

I find it amazing that the MSM can overlook the ongoing persecution of Christians and Jews through out the world.

The MSM has outlived it's purpose and most now go away to the dust bin of history.

They seem to be devoted to anyone with a hatred of GWB and the USA.

re: #175 BabbaZee

Amen to that!

The one custom that was exercised even in all the Christian churches we went to in Cairo, the men on one side, the women on the other, complete with headscarfs. I had to set up my sound equipment on whatever side the women were sitting on even if it wasn't the best "sound" decision made.

Then Jesus said to His disciples, If anyone desires to be My disciple, let him deny himself [disregard, lose sight of, and forget himself and his own interests] and take up his cross and follow Me [ cleave steadfastly to Me, conform wholly to My example in living and, if need be, in dying, also].
~ Matthew 16:24

Whoever does not carry his own execution stake and come after me cannot be my disciple.
~ Luke 14:27

I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, with the blood of the people who testify about Yeshua.
~ Revelation 17:6

WLGF out

re: #21 nyc redneck

where are the moslem civil rights workers who should be helping these oppressed people?!?
spit.

Undoubtedly, since no Muslims in America are living in Cities of Refuse as a matter of public policy, Ahmed Bedier of CAIR and his fellow civil-rights-lovin' Co-religionists of Peace will move immediately to Egypt to work for the full equality of rights for Christians and other non-Muslims there.

No?

(In Egypt, Copts aren't allowed to build or repair their holy places without government permission. Their daughters are kidnapped, raped, and forcibly married into Islam. When their fathers go to the police for help, they are told, "Don't worry, she's safe in the arms of Islam now.")

This is only a pale hint at what apologists for jihad and their Useful Idiot dhimmis work to implement throughout the world. Their ultimate vision for non-Muslims is much worse (see the Pact of Umar derived from the command of Allah and the example of Mohammed).

This is that for which Rudy Giuliani has "great respect." This is that which nearly all the other adult (Republican) candidates twisted their tongues to avoid naming.

This is what President Bush calls a "Religion of Peace," what in his utter ignorance of Islam he has established in the constitutions of Afghanistan and Iraq. This is that to which he and Dr. Rice (whom I formerly respected) demand Israel capitulate. This is that for which the president argued when he supported the establishment of an independent Kosovo, a Muslim foothold in the heart of Europe.

I spent several days in Cairo. There is a very depressing spirit (for lack of a better word) in the country. I am positive our room was bugged. When my husband and I were in our hotel room, I said in a very low voice, "Wow. We pay $300 a night for this place. It looks like they would give more than one towel a piece." In five minutes, there was a knock on the door with a bellman holding a stack of towels. I was freaked out! I was ready to get out of that place.

I clicked the "-" button and rated this down by mistake. Apologies Charles.

re: #189 Lively

I spent several days in Cairo. There is a very depressing spirit (for lack of a better word) in the country. I am positive our room was bugged. When my husband and I were in our hotel room, I said in a very low voice, "Wow. We pay $300 a night for this place. It looks like they would give more than one towel a piece." In five minutes, there was a knock on the door with a bellman holding a stack of towels. I was freaked out! I was ready to get out of that place.

I'd start hinting about my favorite beverage.

I wonder how the Archbishop of Canterbury would like his new digs were he, as head Dhimmi of the English Christians, to be moved to Cairo under his beloved Sharia law? Probably not a hell of a lot, I suppose.

But, but, but .. everything's the same as everything else ... I read it in The Guardian & also The New York Times, so it must be true.

Of course it is the Copts own fault that they live like that, they should not offend us by exposing these kind of imagery to the mass media.

/muslim rhetoric.

p.s. don't worry fellow muslim, the mass media is only reporting when you cry like a baby.

re: #8 Tumulus11

. The Christian Copts in Cairo are living in a filthy ghetto, inside the garbage.
Rats feed on the children as they sleep.
The Egyptian Government wants to keep it a secret.

Cairo receives about two billion dollars annually from the United States.

Christians pay the 2 Billion dollars a year to Muslims so they can keep Christians as garbage collectors in the center of their cities. This is pure evil.

re: #70 Kobyashi Maru

If it were possible, in today's world's mindset, it would be done --guys would be getting elected all over the place that would take down anything evil at its very outset.....the very idea of the Clintons or Obama getting anywhere near even getting elected as garbage collector, would be chuckled at ..............the power of The Evil One has encroached so far in this world toward his ultimate, prophesied end, that the one-on-one, nearly-only-underground approach to bringing about truth and justice, is getting very close to being almost-the-only, and the most effective, way.

V.O.M., F.F.F., Back to Jerusalem, and many others are making great headway in this --hitting the political, observable level is almost anachronistic, anymore.

re: #196 Ma Sands

So well said. It seems to me that we are looking at brutal and insane physical evidence of a primarily spiritual battle. And it's intensifying. Bob Dylan said so well, "The lines are long, and the fighting is strong, and they're breaking down the distance between right and wrong..."

Somebody needs to make a links page listing all the organizations that are working to change things like this. That is, if there doesn't exist one already. And then we need to all get together and support them. Maybe Charles could link to them on his main page like he does to all the anti-idiotorian pages, fellow conservative blogs, and such.

Charles? You listening?

And by support them, I mean financially.

I have researched extensively in Egypt recently.

I work specifically on Christian art and artifacts in Egypt.
Recently, Egyptians have begun to realize that the Christian heritage of Egypt is a money-maker as larger and larger numbers of tourists, principally American Christians show up. The Coptic museum, long languishing in a neglected state, was recently refurbished and opened. Shops in Christian towns are opening, run BY Christians. Christians are increasingly finding ways into gov't jobs as Egyptians attempt to use them to court foreign tourists, money, etc. The monasteries and rural Christian communities are frankly, thriving, sometimes even more so than their muslim neighbors, which breeds resentment.

It isn't all great, as the videos show, but life for Christians in Egypt has gotten demonstrably better in the last 10 years.

I therefore want to offer therefore some "pushback" to the video above. As all politics is local, the same is true in Egypt. From my own honest observations and conversations, S. Egyptians have had at times tense, but peaceable relationships with their muslim neighbors. They had many negative things to say about muslim religion, so I can't believe that this was some attempt at coyness on their part.

I have also heard many egyptian muslims criticize their own gov't over the matter, personally, and speak on behalf of Christians. All Christian art is nationalized as part of the state's cultural heritage. In theory this is true of all islamic artifacts as well, but it is never applied. All the administrators come out of the SCA, the supreme council of Antiquities, all of whom are Muslim and owe their jobs to networking, nepotism of some kind. So the diligence of the administrators of certain Christian holy sites is suspect, arbitrary and horribly bureaucratic. Monks and priests of course resent this, but bear up well and many muslims bristle at the conditions as well. That says a lot. I suspect a bunch of this emanates from the special circumstances of Cairo, which is a big corrupt city, and a gov't that plays both groups against each other.

Another good link is Hudson Institute, Center for Religious Freedom:
[Link: crf.hudson.org...]

Thank you Charles for showing this.

People need to understand that life is very difficult for Christians in Muslim lands, even in the secular-ruled country of Egypt.
Imagine what life would be like for Christians if Mubarak were thrown out (or when he passes on), if the country were ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood, which is a powerful political force in Egypt.

re: #195 Egfrow

Christians pay the 2 Billion dollars a year to Muslims so they can keep Christians as garbage collectors in the center of their cities. This is pure evil.

Yes indeed evil....so they don't defile themselves with dirty things, yet their own ideology (just can't call it a religion although so many do) is filthy. This should be made known to more and more people...but they don't want to hear, see or pay attention.
The people of the book --- Christian and Jews have been suffering under the oppression of Islam. Yet we must understand this barbaric ideology?
Why? So more shall die under it?

An appalling look at what life is like for Coptic Christians under Muslim rule in Egypt.

I find it appalling George Bush recently met with Mubarak lavishing all kinds of false praise upon him. Is Egypt indeed a partner in the war on terror? Is Egypt a good friend and ally of the U.S?

Bush:

It's an important stop for me because the United States has a longstanding friendship with Egypt. It's important for the people of Egypt to understand our nation respects you, respects your history, respects your traditions and respects your culture. Our friendship is strong. It's a cornerstone of -- one of the main cornerstones of our policy in this region, and it's based on our shared commitment to peace, security and prosperity.

I appreciate the opportunity, Mr. President, to give you an update on my trip. And I appreciate the advice you've given me. You've seen a lot in your years as President; you've got a great deal of experience, and I appreciate you feeling comfortable in sharing that experience once again with me.

I really appreciate Egypt's support in the war on terror. I appreciate the fact that you've given peacekeepers for Sudan. I did brief you on my talks in Israel and with the Palestinians, and they were positive talks. And I said I'm optimistic an agreement can be reached. And the reason I am is because I believe the leadership in Israel and the leadership of the Palestinians is committed to a two-state solution. And I know nations in the neighborhood are willing to help, particularly yourself. And I appreciate your strong, constructive support for the process.
[see for yourself: more on the disgusting transcript of recent visit click here]

It is impossible post 9-11, War on Terror Egypt is called a partner and ally in anything seeing their treatment of Coptic Christians and their continued virulent hate toward Israel continues unabated!

Furthermore, how Mubarak can be embraced by Bush for allowing thousands of weapons tunnels dug which undoubtedly brought death and terror to innocent Israelis mocks the Bush obvious phony doctrine on those who harbor and sponsor terror. Only other excuse I can think of is those who make terror against Israel are exempt from the Bush doctrine.

To me the question of the day should be not why Egypt is doing what they do but how is it possible they are getting away with it and for that called a good friend of the US and partner in the War ON TERROR.

re: #198 NomadOfNorad

(Might not that make a kind of bombing-rich environment.....for the listed sites, as well as all their missionaries world-wide, to have them all together like that, though..... ?)

Re: 188

Giuliani, Bush and Rice understand that our best ally in the war against radical Islamists is less radical Islamists. Do you want to do all the fighting yourself? The extremists kill more less extremist moslems than anything else. I have no intention of pushing the less extreme moslems into the arms of the more extreme ones by lumping the entire Moslem world into one basket and declaring war on them all.

And BTW, Bosnia is already a moslem country in Europe.

re: #206 Kent64

Bush Rice, war on terror. It is a myth.

This program is from UK Tv's Channel4 broadcast on Friday 8th February.

NEWS !

An Egyptian court has ruled that 12 Christians who converted to Islam and then reverted to Christianity can have their faith officially recognised.

The decision overturns a lower court ruling by a lower court, which said the state need not recognise conversions from Islam because of a religious ban.

This is a case that has tested Egypt's tolerance of conversions from Islam.

A lawyer for the 12 Coptic Christians described the case as a victory for human rights and freedom of religion.

He says it could open the door for hundreds of other Copts who want to revert to their original faith from Islam.

re: #205 Ma Sands

re: #198 NomadOfNorad

(Might not that make a kind of bombing-rich environment.....for the listed sites, as well as all their missionaries world-wide, to have them all together like that, though..... ?)

I'm not talking so much the missionary sites as the groups that call attention to these outrages and try to pressure people there for change.

There are groups that pressured for change in South Africa to end Apartheid, there are groups that shouted from the housetops about oppressed women in the world, there are groups now yammering about the events in Darfur and who were bombarding us with TV ads for it recently.

Surely there are groups like that identifying the evils done to Christians around the world. In fact, I know there are.

We need links to all those groups. And we need to support them financially, socially, and politically.

re: #177 BabbaZee

re: #166 bcgirl

wish i had the song link?

Cool song. Cool site, as well. They're playing a different song on their main page. Anyone know how to get that one, too? (I downloaded the one BabbaZee linked to...)

re: #210 NomadOfNorad

PIMF!

And when I say "all those groups" I mean the ones trying to bring justice for Christians.

re: #19 Desert Dog

re: #14 theheat

They convert.....that is their land, their heritage....where will they move? Copts are some of the first Christians. They have a 2000 year history in that place...Turn the other cheek, or convert so you kids can eat and you can get a good job and own land, etc......that's been the plan since the riders from the east came in and took over....It is a testament to their faith that they are still holding on.....look at other places the dark cloud spread: not many Zoroastrians left in Iran, not many Buddhists or Hindus left in Pakistan or Afghanistan, not many Christians left in North Africa, not many of any religion left where the Muslims took over.....

Almost everything good done in modern Christianity owes some debt to the Copts.

re: #40 MandyManners

Come to America!

They try. But any time one of them figures a way to get money together, their "_betters" find a way to "legally" take it away from them.

re: #194 Forever

Of course it is the Copts own fault that they live like that, they should not offend us by exposing these kind of imagery to the mass media.

/muslim rhetoric.

p.s. don't worry fellow muslim, the mass media is only reporting when you cry like a baby.

They used to feed the Roman Empire and now are reduced to recycling garbage. I'm sure Islam, Bringer of Peace and Prosperity™, had nothing to do with the change (which by odd coincidence occurred exactly when Islam came to Egypt)...

re: #107 undhimmicratic

Although communism In North Korea, China and other such regimes and, as Babbazee points out in India, radical Hinduism contribute to the problem, Islam is the primary persecutor of Christians in today's world

And where did the normally pacifist Hindus get the idea, hmm? From centuries of Muslim persecution that killed millions of Hindus.

re: #135 Dr. Shalit
Question, if the muslims can't/won't pick up the trash, might it NOT be an idea to get together with that community and provide them with modern sanitation equipment. They could literally "clean up", including economically.

They won't clean up economically. I guarantee that any apparent prosperity shown by Christians in Egypt will either be forbidden (just as Christians are now forbidden from taking most jobs in Egypt), taxed, or stolen, as Islam prescribes.

re: #186 Maui Girl

The one custom that was exercised even in all the Christian churches we went to in Cairo, the men on one side, the women on the other, complete with headscarfs. I had to set up my sound equipment on whatever side the women were sitting on even if it wasn't the best "sound" decision made.

Probably a holdover of the similar Hasidic Jewish custom.

re: #206 Kent64

I have no intention of pushing the less extreme moslems into the arms of the more extreme ones by lumping the entire Moslem world into one basket and declaring war on them all.

What evidence is there that the so-called moderates aren't in cahoots with the extremists? Look at Palestine. Only a small percentage of the people are actually involved in terror and murder of Israelis, yet the whole country parties when some Israelis die from the attacks. The so-called moderates provide shelter, camouflage, and propaganda for the benefit of the extremists. That they don't pull the trigger themselves is morally irrelevant.

re: #218 jenv

Many Christian churches, even in America separate males and females. It's a very old custom.

re: #217 jenv

They may not wish to clean up even if the Arab-Egyptians let them. Filth dissuades visitors predators.

But we all know that it is Israel that is Apartheid state. Jimmy Carter said so.

The bottom line is that this is how Islamics behave towards non-Islamics when they are in the majority.

Most Islamics in the US, I believe, are pretty much "live and let live" kind of people - pretty moderate - precisely because they are in the minority - and their true Islam does not have a chance to express itself. It is lying dormant.

The more their numbers increase, the more the nasty stuff starts bubbling to the surface.

The very fact that they are moderate in the USA right now is helping them to slowly increase their numbers, so that eventually USA will become Egypt.

In fact, we would be better off if Islam in the USA was showing its true colors - being more violent and nasty - then it could be nipped in the bud before it is too late.

Their strategy is perfect for a gradual conquest.

re: #219 jenv

re: #206 Kent64

I have no intention of pushing the less extreme moslems into the arms of the more extreme ones by lumping the entire Moslem world into one basket and declaring war on them all.

What evidence is there that the so-called moderates aren't in cahoots with the extremists? Look at Palestine. Only a small percentage of the people are actually involved in terror and murder of Israelis, yet the whole country parties when some Israelis die from the attacks. The so-called moderates provide shelter, camouflage, and propaganda for the benefit of the extremists. That they don't pull the trigger themselves is morally irrelevant.

Many opinion polls have shown that the vast majority of Palestinians
support terrorism.

re: #34 Kaintuck

re: #33 Texas Joel

Islam can only function where muslims can live as a privileged caste.

I believe you hit it right on the head, there.

And so you have, Kaintuck. Problems will arise in our children's future I believe as a result of generations of Muslims immigrating into the the USA or procreating within the US to the extent of obtaining majority. At that point, if we are smart, we will have figured out (legislatively) a way to pre-empt their attempts at a fullblown takeover for a Caliphate.

Thank You Charles. So many emotions after watching this, it's hard to sort them all out. Outrage of the day comes to mind. The fact that MSM won't pick this up. and the torture and rape and kidnapping of these Christians absolutely breaks my heart. I want to do something but what can you really do. Prayer and Mission. God's Grace be with them

Romans 8:28
28And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

Revelation 21
The New Heaven and Earth
4and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away." 5And He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new " And He said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true." 6Then He said to me, "It is done I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. 7"He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.

How firm a foundation, ye saints of the Lord,
Is laid for your faith in His excellent Word!
What more can He say than to you He hath said,
To you who for refuge to Jesus have fled?

Fear not, I am with thee; O be not dismayed!
For I am thy God, and will still give thee aid;
I’ll strengthen thee, help thee, and cause thee to stand,
Upheld by my righteous, omnipotent hand.

When through fiery trials thy pathway shall lie,
My grace, all-sufficient, shall be thy supply;
The flame shall not hurt thee; I only design
Thy dross to consume, and thy gold to refine.

The soul that on Jesus hath leaned for repose,
I will not, I will not desert to his foes;
That soul, though all hell shall endeavor to shake,
I’ll never, no, never, no, never forsake.
(“How Firm a Foundation,” from John Rippon’s
Selection of Hymns, 1787)

Other than the religious overtones, it looks like the cast system in India.

Charles: Thank you for putting this out for people to see the way Islam treats its non-Muslim citizens.

This puts the lie to Father Rowan Williams' call for England to adopt shari'a law, even if only in part.

re: #52 pegcity

And not a peep from Mr Born again Chrisitan Bush, oh wait that's right Bush only cares about money.

Oh, and don't forget his always-outspoken-on-behalf-of-her-oppressed-Christ ian-brethren SecState Condi Rice!

I sent this on to my professor, who has even more experience in Egypt.

She said that while it's not wrong on the facts, it is wrong on the emphasis. There are just as bad muslim slums, and there are a few upper class Copt areas.

The more important thing is that Egyptian Christians are the LUCKY ones.
There are 300,000 copts in Egypt, mostly allowed to live their religion. Up until the fall of the Ottoman empire, there were more than a million in Arabia and Turkey.

That certainly isn't true today.

re: #57 Captkirk35

Here is one place to start. The Copts that are here in the U.S. will have plenty of information on how best to help. I am familiar with this church because I used to live near it, the people are just lovely. They are also naturally withdrawn and choose their words so carefully. I've always thought that the scars run 2,000 yrs. deep. If there is a Coptic Church in your area, contact them and see what can be done.

[Link: www.stmaryandstmenari.org...]

re: #7 nyc redneck

heartbreaking. the archbishop of Canterbury needs to see what he is ushering in. the whole free world needs to see this hideous injustice and the palis need to shut their damn Islam holes.

re: #70 Kobyashi Maru

Ok so as a Jew, I'll make sure the messiah doesn't come today by posting, but can you Christians tell me why there are no Congressional resolutions, no pressure for action here? Egypt gets a couple billion a year in US aid, but why is Charles a lone voice in the wilderness? Don't blame the MSM, they hate us too, but AIPAC gets all sorts of resolutions.

We support our oppressed breatheren all over the world, but why not even NGO actions to help these Christians? Same thing everywhere in RoP-ville; the Christians in Bethlehem, and elsewhere are scared Dhimmi, but why no huge marches, no demands at the UN (ha!), not even mass tourism to support them....what gives?

/not joking!

Delusion. Cowardice. Sophisticated schadenfreud.

/not joking either. sad, isn't it.

It feels good to vent our frustration about the oppression of non-Muslims in the Islamic societies. However, I'd like to point out that publicly shunning and verbally chastising, or even concrete sanctions against Egypt, the Saudis, or any other "moderate" state would have consequences directly impacting our armed forces deployed in the region.

I won't join in the kick Bush and hate Condi movement. I don't know what should be done differently that would not have unintended, disastrous consequences.

A large problem with world and our country usa has is afraid of the truth of islam. 600 a.d. to present the war to enslave the world by the islamic peoples has been never ceasing yet the schools teach that muslim faith is being hijacked and they are a peaceful religion. I dont want to be a dhimmi myself yet all too many people in power that have actual control are plowing their own graves and the graves of us all by not saying that the muslim religion is against freedom and peace for anyone not muslim.

re: #14 theheat

And the fact they choose to live there under those conditions being second class citizens makes them... smart?

Why do you never use this logic with regard to Palistinians?
Why don't they simply move to some other part of the oil-rich Arabic world?
They live in conditions that are ten times better than these Coptic Christians (thanks to Israel) yet they continue to wage war against the hand that feeds them.

Many Christian churches, even in America separate males and females. It's a very old custom.

Many? Name them, please.

I'm sorry, but this sort of unsupported statement tends to pass by unquestioned too often. Many implies a lot - I'd venture that your many is a minority so small as to be almost unmeasureable.

#235 - because the arabs won't let them in. Come on, it's been 50 years, and the arabs still have them living in 'camps' - so they can return to the 'occupied land' as soon as it is liberated.

humanitarians all.

bt

It's despicable, and I don't doubt all of this is true, but I feel compelled to "complete" this story. I have a small apt in "Zamalek" an upscale neighborhood right acrros the river from d/t Cairo, about a block from the Cairo Marriott (I spend about 1/2 the year in Cairo on business) - I know a lot of Copts that live relatively ordinary lives - they staff the hotels and restaurants that cater to tourists and foreigners, such as at the Marriott where pork and gelatin etc. can be found- there is a large very attractive church that one can see from the courtyard / pool that I have attended - it's most certainly not a "show" church, and I've been able to speak freely with the folks that attend there.

1 other thing - you see people living in dumps like this all over the 3rd world (again, I'm not justifying it, just trying to be fair) - Mexico City has it infamous, notorious Santa Fe neighborhood where 10's of 1000's live in similar conditions (I've also lived in Mexico City).