They eat, drink, awake, sleep, and pee THE CONFLICT!

Tell a lie enough times.....

These people get paid to do this crap. They are swarming all over the internet. You cannot go anywhere on the net where Jews or Israel are discussed without shaking loose a propagandist for the Phakestinian cause.

Google note:
Israel was built on the Arab Nation Palestine.
/

Why is it always doctors?

He said his contributions to Google Earth are part of the Nakhba Taqiyya - Palestinian Catastrophe information hub . . . .

There, fixed that for you!

re: #1 song_and_dance_man

The left is comfortably numb.

In my opinion, they're uncomfortably dumb. I don't mind dumb people, until other dumb people give them power over me.

No surprise here - even their name is not their own, but stolen from the Israelis.

re: #4 WrathofG-d

I've seen the same commenter on a Youtube Palestine thread almost every day for two and half years.

Desert Scarf @ Urban Outfitters. (is it? Isn't it?)

re: #4 WrathofG-d

These people get paid to do this crap. They are swarming all over the internet. You cannot go anywhere on the net where Jews or Israel are discussed without shaking loose a propagandist for the Phakestinian cause.

Except here at LGF.

Palestinian Catastrophe information hub

or MSM for short

re: #10 jaunte

Yea anyone that visits these sights very quickly realizes that these comments are not random.

At some point, I heard the founders of Google interviewed. One of the corporate dictates was 'not to be evil.'

Hmmm.....they seem to have a different definition 'evil' than I do.

...and Google is defending the practice of allowing any surfer to change information in its files.

WTF?! Sounds like the Balkanization of cyberspace. This could be serious.

re: #6 Sharmuta

See we started that on the last thread! Maybe Shakespeare was wrong in only thinking of the lawyers.

BTW my candidate for rotating quote "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"

And in 800 these Arabs came upon a peaceful Jewish/Christian village somewhere in the same vicinity and slaughtered all the males above the age of 10, raped all the women above the age of 9, and sold them into slavery.

re: #16 abolitionist

Idiocracy.

re: #6 Sharmuta

Jihadi doctors take the Theocratic Oath: first, do thou harm.

re: #11 WrathofG-d

Desert Scarf @ Urban Outfitters. (is it? Isn't it?)

Wrath,
I live in a desert, for over 30 years. Never seen one of those here. My vote - No.

I'm sure that East Jerusalem is labeled as "used to be a majority Jewish Town till Jordan murdered or removed all the Jews who once lived here".

Right? Right? Anyone?....(is this thing on?)

Does anyone know how these slander actions proceed? What jurisdiction rules Google Earth?

#22 WrathofG-d 2/11/08 5:53:03 pm reply quote report 0

I'm sure that East Jerusalem is labeled as "used to be a majority Jewish Town till Jordan murdered or removed all the Jews who once lived here".

Right? Right? Anyone?....(is this thing on?)

Most of the ME used to be majority Jewish/ Christian until islam came to town.

re: #21 VegasRick

Looks like another attempt by Urban Outfitters to sell the "Peace Scarf" or Kiffiyeh but relabel it.

This thing isn't 100% exact, but looks like the closest they could come without being too obvious what they are trying to do.

Everything is the cause!

re: #11 WrathofG-d

Desert Scarf @ Urban Outfitters. (is it? Isn't it?)

Oh! It's houndstooth now is it.

re: #24 vapig

Very true.

But when the MSM likes to discuss "occupied East Jerusalem" they usually follow that description up with "majority Arab town...".

Its only that way because the Jews were ethnically cleansed from it in the 1920s - 1940s by the Arabs.

That later part is never mentioned.

This suit won't go anywhere.

re: #26 jcm

re: #11 WrathofG-d

Desert Scarf @ Urban Outfitters. (is it? Isn't it?)

Oh! It's houndstooth now is it.

See my #25.

re: #29 WrathofG-d

re: #26 jcm

re: #11 WrathofG-d

Desert Scarf @ Urban Outfitters. (is it? Isn't it?)

Oh! It's houndstooth now is it.

See my #25.

Yep.

#27 WrathofG-d 2/11/08 5:55:52 pm reply quote report 0

re: #24 vapig

Very true.

But when the MSM likes to discuss "occupied East Jerusalem" they usually follow that description up with "majority Arab town...".

Its only that way because the Jews were ethnically cleansed from it in the 1920s - 1940s by the Arabs.

That later part is never mentioned.

I'd say islam has been and is still cleansing - 1400 years of cleansing to date.

Biram....still searching for info on Biram......what happened there in and around 1948.........Elias Chacour's "Blood Brothers" is such a vivid description, I'd like rebuttal or confirmation.....

On Google Earth, there is no Israel. Only a Pali flag with Che's disembodied head on it.

/

re: #17 lifeofthemind

How about we kill all the whatever you do for a living instead?

/remember, you can't swing a cat at LGF without hitting a lawyer

re: #2 WrathofG-d

They eat, drink, awake, sleep, and pee THE CONFLICT!

these people should get a hobby.

google Earth goes wiki, and the dumbing down of humanity marches on.

They don't have to burn the books.....they just rewrite them.

/The scary part about the life we live in today is that the Truth is no longer relevant. The Facts no longer matter. Between Google Earth, Wiki, and the trend towards group think....its not the Truth that becomes the truth, but instead the most commonly agreed upon lie.

re: #35 guitardalek

The Conflict IS their hobby.
And this is why they will win.

re: #35 guitardalek

re: #2 WrathofG-d

They eat, drink, awake, sleep, and pee THE CONFLICT!

these people should get a hobby.

Too often their hobbies involve this...

re: #36 song_and_dance_man

re: #39 WrathofG-d

what ever happened to baseball and collecting stamps?

re: #41 guitardalek

While we are worrying about baseball and superbowl, they are working toward the Cause.

Don't brag about your distraction...it will turn out to be your destruction.

#36 song_and_dance_man

If Israel were destroy tomorrow, do you think they would have the audacity to pretend to be shocked? Horrified?

Gggrrrrrrr! Until I die I will NEVER understand the western, and especially the media, complicity in this!

And don't forget the Forgotten Zombie Report:

Jerusalem's Borders as Seen on Google Earth

Google Earth, the zoomable satellite photo program produced by Google, shows the Temple Mount in Jerusalem as not being in Israel, but being entirely as part of the West Bank (Palestinian Territories). In fact, a substantial portion of eastern Jerusalem is shown as not being part of Israel. This randomly placed straight line completely ignores the geo-political realities on the ground and contradicts every international border designation that has ever been agreed upon or even proposed.

#39 WrathofG-d 2/11/08 6:01:10 pm reply quote report 0

re: #35 guitardalek

The Conflict IS their hobby.
And this is why they will win.

They will NOT win......

You already know this.

re: #43 WrathofG-d

Hmmm...will we let "them" set the pace? "All work & no play....."? :)

Excellent. Fight back in all ways, big or small. Counter everything the anti-American/anti-Israeli jihadi forces and their collaborators and useful idiots are doing.

The US and Israel have allowed too many things to go unanswered, thinking them beneath even being dignified with a response. Unfortunately, without going on the record with responses, the enemies of the West can continue to repeat charges, however small, and count on a willing media to amplify them.

It's great to see even local governments fighting back. Everyone should counter the horrendous crap coming out of the Islamist/Leftist alliance by every means available: using blogs (obviously), demonstrations, press releases and legal action. Use the same weapons the enemies of the West do. Turn the tables and put them on the defense.

AT&T says mysterious outage is causing service interruptions to all BlackBerry wireless smart phones across the continent; no word on when it will be fixed.

--FoxNews

Darn space aliens! I wish they'd just leave Area 51 and go back to the Pleiades!

So does GoogleEarth also may the locations of all the "lost" houses in el Andalus?

See this key?

re: #11 WrathofG-d

Desert Scarf @ Urban Outfitters. (is it? Isn't it?)

It is, and in lots of pretty colors. Here is the benign description:

Houndstooth Desert Scarf
$18.00
12345678910
Generously sized square scarf, in lightweight cotton, woven in a houndstooth plaid. Finished with fringe at the sides. Imported. Hand wash.
* 40"l, 40"w
* Cotton

re: #43 WrathofG-d

re: #41 guitardalek

While we are worrying about baseball and superbowl, they are working toward the Cause.

Don't brag about your distraction...it will turn out to be your destruction.

yeah, but when making bombs was my hobby, everyone got all upset.

re: #46 vapig

If you are speaking biblically.....then fine.

But my present history "biblically" hasn't been so peachy through the process. I'd like to avoid the bad stuff if you don't mind. There are two options.

#49 is O/T: sorry.

re: #51 reine.de.tout

So you vote for "Peace Scarf" re-do?
/ie: Terrorism Badge part II.

Dear residents of Kiryat Yam,
Hate to break the news to you and to the current leadership of the State of Israel but you folks are in war. Isn't it time you realize that your enemy will do whatever they have to win the war including lying? Hell, these folks have no problem killing infants and you are pissed that they are using the Internet to their advantage?
Here's what you can do to begin with:
Get rid of that leadership which will end up destroying your State.
Forget Google, and take back your government.

re: #35 guitardalek

re: #2 WrathofG-d

They eat, drink, awake, sleep, and pee THE CONFLICT!

these people should get a hobby.

I hear that they're into rocketry these days.

re: #34 Killian Bundy

re: #17 lifeofthemind

How about we kill all the whatever you do for a living instead?

/remember, you can't swing a cat at LGF without hitting a lawyer

Ah come on, lawyers love that quote, it's macho yet erudite.
What I do is worse, I'm your tax dollars at work.

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey

re: #51 reine.de.tout

But is it Egyptian cotton?

Persian. Like their rugs.

re: #52 guitardalek

I never advocated hurting, harming or maiming anyone.
/Wrath does not advocate violence.

Peaceful protest and countering of lies however, I greatly advocate.

re: #18 pat

And in 800 these Arabs came upon a peaceful Jewish/Christian village somewhere in the same vicinity and slaughtered all the males above the age of 10, raped all the women above the age of 9, and sold them into slavery.

THANK YOU!

Although that likely happened in the late 600s.

Remember, everyone, that Arabs themselves are not indigeounous to "Canaan," and only invaded for the very first time in the 7th century AD.

The Jews had been there for 2000 years by that time. The Christians for 700 years.

Just about every Arab village was conquered and "stolen" from previous inhabitants, all of whom were either Jewish, Christian or pagan.

re: #60 lawhawk

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey

re: #51 reine.de.tout

But is it Egyptian cotton?

Persian. Like their rugs thugs.

re: #55 WrathofG-d

re: #51 reine.de.tout

So you vote for "Peace Scarf" re-do?
/ie: Terrorism Badge part II.

yes indeed. This thing keeps showing up in various teen-clothing catalogs my daughter gets. One was "Alloy", and then there's another one, which is actually part of the same company as "Alloy", and Urban Outfitters also caters to that age group, it seems. I know she likes to hang out at the Urban Outfitters store here, but has shown no interest in this scarf, perhaps because I show here these things and tell her these types of things are not allowed.

re: #61 WrathofG-d

oh I know, I'm just being snarky.

Building bombs was never my avocation. Now, my vocation, on the other hand...

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey

re: #51 reine.de.tout

But is it Egyptian cotton?

ha! prolly so.

Palenstians upset about something Isreal did? No Way!

re: #65 reine.de.tout

Yea. Spent Sunday in a mall & could find the "peace scarf" or something that looked just like it in just about every "teenage", or "just post teen", or "trendy" store I entered.

I can't wait till they start selling red, white, and black armbands....I look great in red!

re: #63 song_and_dance_man

re: #41 guitardalek

I guess there's no satisfying nurtured hatred in hobbies like collecting stamps or playing baseball.

Well then you must not be familiar with the Red Sox...

re: #51 reine.de.tout

re: #11 WrathofG-d

Desert Scarf @ Urban Outfitters. (is it? Isn't it?)

It is, and in lots of pretty colors. Here is the benign description:

Houndstooth Desert Scarf
$18.00
12345678910
Generously sized square scarf, in lightweight cotton, woven in a houndstooth plaid. Finished with fringe at the sides. Imported. Hand wash.
* 40"l, 40"w
* Cotton

AK-47on the black market: $100.00
300 rounds of 7.62x39mm from the creepy uncle living in the tunnel under your mother's house: $75
Bomb Vest from the local "Engineering Student": Free
Failing to answer the right cell phone: Priceless

Setting aside the question of rightness, I'm not sure this suit will stand up in court. Since Google leave its program open, I expect it'd be fairly tough to prove slander (weird side note: It would actually be libel) because they'd have to prove maliciousness on Google's part.

Unfortunately I just don't think they've got a case, there.

re: #73 Cognito

They should sue the fark that is probably funded by the PLO.

End Kafir multiculturalism!

Happily adopting this Kafir (Islamic term for non-Muslim) multiculturalism, many migrants have successfully integrated with the host nation. This has enhanced their life style, quality of living, and a good perception of human bondage. They are pleased to practice their respective religions with full freedom, and maintain their tradition and culture without encroaching on others’ freedom to do so. There is, however, one exception—Islam. Islam is at odds with this Kafir Multiculturalism, even though Muslims use this policy to their advantage.

The Kafir Multiculturalism promotes religious tolerance, freedom of expression, and democracy. It accords equal opportunity for all, irrespective of race religion, ethnic origin, gender, and sexual orientation. In this policy of Kafir Multiculturalism, the Islamists have found a great opportunity to advance their agenda—to create a pan Islamic world. All the cardinal principles of Kafir Multiculturalism are working in favor of the Islamists. That is why all Islamists are in full support of Kafir Multiculturalism.

[Link: frontpagemagazine.com...]

re: #70 WrathofG-d

re: #65 reine.de.tout

Yea. Spent Sunday in a mall & could find the "peace scarf" or something that looked just like it in just about every "teenage", or "just post teen", or "trendy" store I entered.

I can't wait till they start selling red, white, and black armbands....I look great in red!

What is so very frightening is that these kids will buy these things, not knowing what it represents, and then THE PARENTS WON'T KNOW EITHER!

'scuse the yelling in #77.

re: #75 song_and_dance_man

re: #71 guitardalek

I'm an old time Dodger fan, but I never wanted to bomb the SF Giants.

While back we did put John Elway dolls under steam rollers here in Seattle.

re: #77 reine.de.tout

Kind of like a che t-shirt, huh?

re: #75 song_and_dance_man

Fine! I guess my plan to create peace in the middle east by starting a bunch of little league baseball teams isn't going to get a lot of support is it?

Why don't the Israelis insert their own notes?

/just a thought

re: #82 Killian Bundy

Why don't the Israelis insert their own notes?

/just a thought

That's what I wondered. And I suspect Google's lawyers do too...

This stuff is happening all over. With the Gitmo/KSM news today I was rereading a lot of the various plots etc. and happened on the Wikipedia entry for Judea Pearl (father of Daniel killed by KSM as you know). You'd be surprised to see that he was actually born in the country of "Palestine".
null

To the victor goes the spoils.

/frickin WIN it already!

re: #80 Sharmuta

re: #77 reine.de.tout

Kind of like a che t-shirt, huh?

yeah. The good news - I probably owned something untoward as a teen, but being a clueless teen, it had no effect on my mindset and I grew up OK. And so will most of our kids, too.

re: #77 reine.de.tout

They might not know the "history" but they know that it stands for Anti-American. Don't fool yourself.

I stopped this punk skateboarding kid on the street outside my place, who was wearing a Terrorist Scarf, and told him that it represented Terrorism. His response wasn't "huh? what do you mean." It was "yea, I like to be a rebel....fight the system..." I stated that he is supporting Terrorists! He responded "yea, I like to be dangerous".

Thus it wasn't ignorance pleaded in his defense, or even....ah shut up & leave me alone...but instead...."yea & I love it".

I was just about to explain to him that those "super cool 'dangerous' Terrorists are killing my relatives, etc." When my friends screamed at me to just leave him alone.

Probably better that they did....

re: #84 Jaymac426

changed

re: #84 Jaymac426

You'd be surprised to see that he was actually born in the country of "Palestine".
null

Not to seem completely obtuse, here, but what would you correct that to?

Here is a keffieh I wish to see UO advertise.

re: #88 WrathofG-d

OOH, I hate hearing this. Perhaps I am fooling myself. I just know that my daughter will be made aware of these things, and will not be allowed to own or wear these things, and if her friends do, they will not be allowed in my house until they've been properly informed. Embarrassing for her - but - too bad.

re: #88 WrathofG-d

unbelievable.

re: #90 Cognito

If you are going to call it "Tel Aviv", the correct change would be to Israel.

There was no Tel Aviv before Israel.

re: #86 song_and_dance_man

re: #79 jcm

While back we did put John Elway dolls under steam rollers here in Seattle.

So you St. Pancaked Elway in effigy, eh?

We had a thing going with Denver, made Fox Sports all time devastating hits.

10. Steve Largent will have his revenge in Seattle

In the Seahawks' 1988 season opener at Denver, 187-pound wide receiver Steve Largent went over the middle and got absolutely crushed by Broncos safety Mike Harden. The hit caved in Largent's facemask forced him to get two teeth capped and cost Harden $5,000. Receivers get blasted going over the middle all the time, so in that respect, it wasn't all that different from many hits just like it.

Until Week 15 of the same season, Seattle hosted the Broncos and Harden's hit became mere prologue to the most satisfying payback ever delivered by a wide receiver. In that game, Harden picked off a Dave Krieg pass and began running it back. As he moved from the middle of the field toward the left sideline, Harden had his eyes fixed ahead at the approaching sea of offensive players turned would-be tacklers. He never saw Largent.

Hustling back into the play, Largent blindsided Harden with a shot every bit as vicious as the one he had taken three months earlier. Harden was lifted into the air and surrendered the ball as Largent and Seattle cruised to a 42-14 victory, eliminating the Broncos from the playoffs.

You've got to Remember Largent was released by the Oilers his first year as too small and too slow to be a WR. Till Rice the receiving record book belonged to Largent.

re: #81 guitardalek

re: #75 song_and_dance_man

Fine! I guess my plan to create peace in the middle east by starting a bunch of little league baseball teams isn't going to get a lot of support is it?

Try midnight basketball instead.

Palestinian ethnic cleansing website.

[Link: www.palestineremembered.com...]

re: #90 Cognito

sorry like my second posting here...

some people on this thread are proving my point about Americans being distracted, while the enemy is constantly vigilant and fighting in every arena.

/just sayin....

re: #88 WrathofG-d

You would have been better off "warning" the kid that the scarf is worn by arab homosexuals trolling for new friends.

/not that there's anything wrong with that.

re: #90 Cognito

It said Tel Aviv Palestine earlier...

re: #90 Cognito

Meaning if he was born in British Mandatory Palestine befor ethe establishment of the State of Israel what is the proper form for entering in Wiki? It now says Israel.

re: #94 WrathofG-d

re: #90 Cognito

If you are going to call it "Tel Aviv", the correct change would be to Israel.

There was no Tel Aviv before Israel.

Eh? I thought Tel Aviv was about a century old.

Regardless, it wouldn't make sense to back-date the name to Israel...

How dare they question the Wisdom of Crowds?

re: #92 reine.de.tout

I always just imagine that instead they are wearing this armband, (they might as well be) and act accordingly.

If they don't know what it stands for.....they should. We wouldn't excuse them wearing the link above!

re: #105 ploome hineni

re: #65 reine.de.tout

hiya touts

:)

Hiya - Mom.

re: #101 Jaymac426

sorry. & you are welcome.

re: #94 WrathofG-d

Sorry, Tel Aviv was founded 40 years before Israel, that is 10 years before the British showed up. The Turks were kind enough to let the Jews build on worthless sand dunes, after enough bribes were paid.

re: #107 WrathofG-d

re: #92 reine.de.tout

I always just imagine that instead they are wearing this armband, (they might as well be) and act accordingly.

If they don't know what it stands for.....they should. We wouldn't excuse them wearing the link above!

Exactly. I did not mean to imply in an earlier comment that they should be excused - only that we should ensure they are informed.

re: #101 Jaymac426

re: #90 Cognito

It said Tel Aviv Palestine earlier...

I'm a devoted supporter of Israel, guys, but saying that someone born in Tel Aviv in 1936 was born in 'Israel' seems like propaganda to me.... Just being honest.

re: #104 Cognito

I could be wrong but do not believe I am.

I might be confusing Israel with created by Israelites. I am imagining all the b&w pics of Jews creating Tel Aviv out of swamp land.

re: #99 WrathofG-d

some people on this thread are proving my point about Americans being distracted, while the enemy is constantly vigilant and fighting in every arena.

/just sayin....

you mean me, don't you? You're talking about me!

I mean, aside from joining the armed forces (which I've already done) and voting Republican (which I already do) and raising a large family of children who will be inculcated with proper Amercan values (I'm at two with a third on the way) I'm not sure what else you want me to do. The other things kind of take up a lot of my time.

/just sayin...

re: #113 Cognito

Then it should read "British Mandate of Palestine", as "Palestine" did not in itself exist, nor was a country.

re: #113 Cognito

I agree and think that British Palestine would be more accurate.

re: #6 Sharmuta

Why is it always doctors?

Check out Killian's Link above! A Doctor set up the Down's Syndrome Bomber, or so the article says. Can you believe it?

re: #116 WrathofG-d

re: #113 Cognito

Then it should read "British Mandate of Palestine", as "Palestine" did not in itself exist, nor was a country.

That's cool. I don't care if it's the planet Mercury. I just think we should hold ourselves to a standard of correctness -- otherwise it rings a little hollow when we get hacked off at the Google-prop guy.

re: #111 lifeofthemind

I've been wrong before...it could be happening now too.

Either way there was no "Tel Aviv, Palestine". (at least not in the context that it is understood today). As I stated above, it should maybe most appropriately read: British Mandate Palestine, to express the geographic description that was "Palestine".

He said his contributions to Google Earth are part of the Nakhba - Palestinian Catastrophe information hub aimed to help displaced Palestinians understand their heritage

False information helps you understand your heritage?

Israel you have my prayers.

Reuters has checked in on us 8 times today.

re: #122 ploome hineni

Hey Attila!

Or we could use the Anglo-Saxon version of the name -- Edsel.

I am just curious that if all the Indian villages ( that is as in woo-woo Indians ) are layered over the name of American towns?

re: #127 DesertSage

Reuters has checked in on us 8 times today.

Sort of like mom peaking into the basement when you're down there with your date.

re: #120 Cognito

The problem is that if you wanted to be 100% correct you couldn't.

Say you call it "palestine" meaning the non descript geographical description cut out of the Ottoman Empire and controlled by the British Mandate. That might be "technically correct" but...

See the problem is, with the amount of propaganda and confusion purposely created by the Arab propagandists and their usefull idiots one will read it instead as "Palestine" the Country with a currency, border, people, language, and existence that was destroyed by the evil Zionist Nazis to create Israel and ethnically cleanse the Palestinian people that once lived there in peace.

This will contribute to the belief that Israel has destroyed and replaced a peaceful Arab country of "Palestine" and thus work towards the desire to destroy Israel today to "recreate" that "wonderful Country of Palestine."

It will in the social conscious "wipe Israel off the map."

re: #123 ploome hineni

Cool. Just like the books Exodus, O' Jerusalem, and The Source.

re: #121 WrathofG-d

Hey I thought I was wrong once "Drum Roll Professor if you please," but I was mistaken! Thank you, thank you I'll be here until Thursday. Be kind to your server.

And on that note, goodnight.

re: #131 Lucius Septimius

re: #127 DesertSage

Reuters has checked in on us 8 times today.

Sort of like mom peaking into the basement when you're down there with your date.

Yeah - like I knew what I was doing back then! Ah a wasted Youth.

Please...Dear God....Not Banned?...

re: #131 Lucius Septimius

re: #127 DesertSage

Reuters has checked in on us 8 times today.

Sort of like mom peaking into the basement when you're down there with your date.

More like the neighborhood no-one-wants-to-play-with-because-he-is-a-jerk peeking in on the cool kids.

Whew...lookin for some earlier stuff... I'm ok....no CPR necessary.

alleges that the town was built on the ruins of Ghawarina, an Arab village.

I wonder if that's anything like building a Mosque where the Jewish Temple once was.

re: #124 Lucius Septimius

He said his contributions to Google Earth are part of the Nakhba - Palestinian Catastrophe information hub aimed to help displaced Palestinians understand their heritage

False information helps you understand your heritage?

I believe the thinking is that it's helpful even though inaccurate,
if it's sincerely felt, and even if it's not sincerely felt,
it's helpful if it helps bring about a sincerely desired goal.

re: #132 WrathofG-d

The problem is that if you wanted to be 100% correct you couldn't.

I'm sorry, I don't buy that. It is the nursery of propagandist thought. I don't buy it from the other side, and I don't buy it here.

The place had a name in 1936, and that name was not Israel.

The truth matters because it gives moral authority. So that when I say in 1948 he lived in "Tel Aviv, Israel," it really means something.

re: #139 legalpad

alleges that the town was built on the ruins of Ghawarina, an Arab village.

I wonder if that's anything like building a Mosque where the Jewish Temple once was.

I wonder what people called the place in the year 600?

God...Was impressed with Motorcycle Diaries

Gosh, glad I am smarter now.

re: #141 jaunte

Sincerely?

Drink?

Crap...wrong thread

re: #145 Sarge1984

re: #141 jaunte

Sincerely?

Drink?

Sincerely, a double shot.

re: #147 jaunte

Sweet. I'm on the MNDT!

re: #142 Cognito

Did you not read the rest of that post?

Do you not acknowledge the problem?

Do you not understand that although you might have good intentions when you use the term "Palestine" as a description today, it does not have the same meaning as it did then?

Its as if you call someone a fascist today. You don't mean that you believe that the state should be owned by corporations, etc., you mean that they are acting like Nazis. Dang, when you call people "Nazis" you don't even mean National Socialists working under Adolph Hitler anymore, you mean "bad person".

Definitions change.

re: #149 WrathofG-d
CONT:

re: #142 Cognito

Did you not read the rest of that post?

Do you not acknowledge the problem?

Do you not understand that although you might have good intentions when you use the term "Palestine" as a description today, it does not have the same meaning as it did then?

Its as if you call someone a fascist today. You don't mean that you believe that the state should be owned by corporations, etc., you mean that they are acting like Nazis. Dang, when you call people "Nazis" you don't even mean National Socialists working under Adolph Hitler anymore, you mean "bad person".

Definitions change.

PS: It is like calling me a Native American. Now "technically" I AM a native American. I was born in America and have lived here my entire life. Yet, when you use this term "Native American" you really mean Native American Indian that was here before a Spanish or European Conquest of Northern America.

re: #149 WrathofG-d

Definitions change.

There it is again: A tiny untruth. Guard against it!

The land was called something. That name has not changed. Whether it was called Palestine, or Israel, or Iceland or Minnesota -- it was what it was. You cannot change facts to suit the whims of time and fickle people.

Without those facts, we're unmoored.

(And yes, I've read each of the posts, beginning to end.)

re: #127 DesertSage

Reuters has checked in on us 8 times today.

/No doubt they are going to post the picture of the Che flag in Obama's campaign office.

re: #152 Cognito

Well unfortunately because the term has changed......the meaning has changed......you really cannot give a straight answer. This is my entire point.

Giving it the name it had at that time, does not give a complete answer. In fact in many ways it just confuses the issue more.

Please see my "Native American" example.

re: #152 Cognito

re: #149 WrathofG-d

Definitions change.

There it is again: A tiny untruth. Guard against it!

The land was called something. That name has not changed. Whether it was called Palestine, or Israel, or Iceland or Minnesota -- it was what it was. You cannot change facts to suit the whims of time and fickle people.

Without those facts, we're unmoored.

(And yes, I've read each of the posts, beginning to end.)

P.S.: When I say, "the name has not changed," I mean the 1936 name.

re: #149 WrathofG-d

Its as if you call someone a fascist today. You don't mean that you believe that the state should be owned by corporations, etc., you mean that they are acting like Nazis.

Fascist's and Nazi's are completely different animals, with very little in common except for their Leftists/Socialist roots.

re: #154 WrathofG-d

re: #152 Cognito

Well unfortunately because the term has changed......the meaning has changed......you really cannot give a straight answer. This is my entire point.

Giving it the name it had at that time, does not give a complete answer. In fact in many ways it just confuses the issue more.

Please see my "Native American" example.

Here's where that falls down: The name of a people can change because those people may change it themselves. They could, with enough effort, change their name from "Native Americans" to "Zippity Doo Dah."

But they could NOT say "We were never known as Native Americans."

You are robbing the place of the truth, when you do that. You are succumbing to the thing you accuse those other people of doing: Not adhering to facts.

re: #156 DesertSage

This might be true but in today's (incorrect) use they are interchangeable.

People call other "Fascists" when they mean Nazis, and vice versa.

This is sort of my entire point in my discussion with Cognito.

re: #122 ploome hineni

re: #108 reine.de.tout

call me Atilla

I like "Your Snarky Snideness" better. But if you wish it to be Attila for today, well, I guess I'll just have to fall in line or risk the wrath of Ploome.

re: #158 WrathofG-d

re: #156 DesertSage

This might be true but in today's (incorrect) use they are interchangeable.

People call other "Fascists" when they mean Nazis, and vice versa.

This is sort of my entire point in my discussion with Cognito.

Again: It doesn't matter what people call them today. If people call them "Teddy Bears" it doesn't mean that's what they were called in 1938. They were called "Nazis."

It's truth-telling 101.

re: #157 Cognito

No, I am trying to be the most "Factual." When you say today that that place was called Palestine, it is not the same as saying in 1936 that the place was called Palestine as the term and understanding of "Palestine" has changed.

You are working in a world of factual consistancy. In this plane you would be right. But, the plane of Truth in the context of the "Conflict" has been shattered. It no longer exists.

Yes there are realities but when you agree to the Truth you in turn end up instead telling a lie.

You might say that was called Palestine at the time but when you say that today, you say a completely different thing. Thus you are not telling the Truth anymore.

re: #161 WrathofG-d

Simply, then: What was the place called, in 1936?

re: #160 Cognito

Except that the term itself has changed. You are changing the word in your examples not what has really happened, which is that that the term has stayed constant but the meaning is different. This is what is unique.

re: #162 Cognito

in 1936 it was most likely referred to as the British Mandate of Palestine.

BUT this does not change my argument that by calling it that today, because the meaning of the world "Palestine" has changed, it that now is a non-truth.

It confers a larger issue then it should. Thus you are lying.

All of those abandoned Arab towns were left standing undisturbed while Israeli towns were built adjacent to them, that is until '67, when the Arabs tried to push the Jews to the sea for a second time and Arabs got there ass handed to them again. It was then that they were razed and nice Sabra cactus were allowed bloom on their remains to this day.

Jews don't build habitats on ruins that were recently awash in open sewers stupids, they plant on them utilizing the deposited nitrogen from the past Arab septics as naturally enhanced barricades against future Arab terror attacks.

Irony and conservation, what's not to like? A leftist dream...not?

re: #164 WrathofG-d

re: #162 Cognito

in 1936 it was most likely referred to as the British Mandate of Palestine.

BUT this does not change my argument that by calling it that today, because the meaning of the world "Palestine" has changed, it that now is a non-truth.

It confers a larger issue then it should. Thus you are lying.

It is a simple question: What was it called, in 1936?

Someone should start a Google Earth placemark note of every location of Islamic terrorist attack on Earth since the time of Muhammad.

/there hasn't been one in Antarctica yet

re: #150 buzzsawmonkey

re: #124 Lucius Septimius

False information helps you understand your heritage?

False information is the heritage of the "Palestinians."

Yep. That's it in a nutshell.

re: #166 Cognito

Objection: Asked & Answered.

I gave my answer.

I will help you out with another example however. Its as if, 20 years from now red heads decided as a group they were going to start calling themselves "African Americans". If you were going to write a wiki page about a black person from 2007, would you call them African American?

If you did, everyone that read the page would not know that the individual was Black but would instead believe that they had red hair. But "technically" that would be the correct term from 2007. Confusion results.

re: #169 WrathofG-d

re: #166 Cognito

Objection: Asked & Answered.

I gave my answer.

I will help you out with another example however. Its as if, 20 years from now red heads decided as a group they were going to start calling themselves "African Americans". If you were going to write a wiki page about a black person from 2007, would you call them African American?

If you did, everyone that read the page would not know that the individual was Black but would instead believe that they had red hair. But "technically" that would be the correct term from 2007. Confusion results.

This example fails as well, for the same reason the 'Native Americans' one did.

The place had a name, in 1936. I really don't care what it was. But it's the beginnings of propaganda to say, "Well, you know, maybe it's just impossible to assign it a name, because, you know, people get ideas...."

I don't say we should call it that today. Today it is called Israel. And I would expect some future person to remember that, and tell the truth about it.

re: #170 Cognito

You sort of skipped my latest example falsely claiming that it fails for the same reasons you claimed the first example failed.

Neither fails as it is not the name that changes (as you continue to insist) but instead the meaning of the same word used.

I understand your concern. However, because of the change of meaning of the common word ("Palestine") one cannot actually give a clear answer to the original question.

Please read my example having to do with "African Americans" and red heads and see if you cannot understand it.

I've never understood how an entity could be held responsible for something user-created. I don't think they don't need to assume any responsibility for what the community of its users do. Just let the opposing activists duke it out until one gets tired of editing.

But when the MSM likes to discuss "occupied East Jerusalem" they usually follow that description up with "majority Arab town...".

Its only that way because the Jews were ethnically cleansed from it in the 1920s - 1940s by the Arabs.

That later part is never mentioned.

Actually, they usually say "traditionally Arab East Jerusalem." Jerusalem only comprised the old city up until the late 19th century. When the Jewish quarter became unbearably crowded, some Jews started building the first dwellings outside the city walls in 1860. There was a great influx of Jews, Arabs, and others that moved to Jerusalem in the late 19th and early 20th century and many built outside the walls. Although almost every census for the last 2000 years (except for the times Jews were banned from the city altogether) showed there was a Jewish majority in the old city of Jeruslam, by 1948, East Jerusalem did not have a Jewish majority.

re: #37 Sharmuta

google Earth goes wiki, and the dumbing down of humanity marches on.

I have quite a collection of old maps and atlases. It'seasy to see what all the boundaries were before World War I. Kurdistan anyone?

All the wiki-changing and google-changing won't change reality. Furthermore, the more the Arabs muck around, the more these kinds of maps and atlases will promote interest in history and archaeology.

If you want to see an interesting historical atlas, check out the Cambridge Atlas of Modern History. Quite eye-opening.

Google Earth

At first I saw amazed at the technology, I marveled at viewing the riding trails I ride my dirtbike on in the Mojave Desert, but one evening as I viewed 21 B-1 Bombers sitting on the tarmac of Whitman AFB, I began to worry.

When I saw where our 688 attack subs and Boomer's sit at in Pearl Harbor, I realized just how dangerous Google Earth is.

These Maniacs who run Google have NO LOYALTY to America and they are putting our military in danger by giving our enemy the exact information they need to strike our bases.

Mark the words of an old soldier. One day the owners of Google will be in orange jumpsuits at Guantanimo Bay.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

repost, my wife was yelling at me as I typed.....

Google Earth

At first I was amazed at the technology, I marveled at viewing the riding trails I ride my dirtbike on in the Mojave Desert, but one evening as I viewed 21 B-1 Bombers sitting on the tarmac of Whitman AFB, I began to worry.

When I saw where our 688 attack subs and Boomer's sit at in Pearl Harbor, I realized just how dangerous Google Earth is.

These Maniacs who run Google have NO LOYALTY to America and they are putting our military in danger by giving our enemy the exact information they need to strike our bases.

Mark the words of an old soldier. One day the owners of Google will be in orange jumpsuits at Guantanimo Bay.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

re: #175 Maximu§

Most of the aerial photography on Google is at least a couple years old. And Mapquest has the same detail.

re: #142 Cognito

re: #132 WrathofG-d

The problem is that if you wanted to be 100% correct you couldn't.

I'm sorry, I don't buy that. It is the nursery of propagandist thought. I don't buy it from the other side, and I don't buy it here.

The place had a name in 1936, and that name was not Israel.

The truth matters because it gives moral authority. So that when I say in 1948 he lived in "Tel Aviv, Israel," it really means something.

I appreciate what you're trying to say, and accuracy is always important. However, people usually like to know where places are using the modern name. That's why we say that Leonardo da Vinci was Italian, and Beethoven was German. Ramses was the Egyptian Pharaoh.

re: #177 Jim in Virginia

re: #175 Maximu§

Most of the aerial photography on Google is at least a couple years old. And Mapquest has the same detail.

The date I saw was 2007 and we both know those B-1's Lancers I mentioned are parked in the exact same spot.

re: #6 Sharmuta

Why is it always doctors?

Like Rantisi?

He's from Jenin? Well, that explains a lot.

The other day, I was reading this world-famous forum board and one poster keeping using the same word to describe Google in a rather angry tone: Joogle.

There's also a note over Auschwitz that says "nothing happened here"

/

You have to be an honest critic about this.... Google as a company is not neutral in regards to Israel. They have Israeli executives and two R&D centers in Israel. They work with Israeli companies and they are friendly to Israel on the level of people to people. Are they sympathetic to the Palestinians? About 1/3 of the Jewish Israelis are too. Probably more left and more critical than anything you've ever dreamed of hearing from Google.

Saying that, their business is not to over manage what users put into the system. The same criticism for Wikipedia. If people want a pro-Israel message then they have to put the information into the system. There are many more pro-Arab people willing or paid to do that, but that is the reality.

Yeah, someone needs to do the "legwork" of countering the cyber-vandals.

The Zionists paid top dollar for a malarial swamp and lost lives draining it. Today it is called Hadera. See if this asshole claims that a bunch swamp arabs were living there.

I have it on good authority that the entire state of Minnesota is built on ancient arab ruins.

The arabs were here first, but then the johnny-come-lately "native" americans ran them off. (Whoop, whoop)

Take at look at Shuni, near Binyamina, formerly a Roman amphitheatre and Turkish carevanserai. And well-known as the training area of the Irgun before '48. It is also listed as a destroyed village. AS I happen to live within 1 kilometer of the marked site, and we often walk in the fields exactly through that spot, my evidence is "Eh?". Not a stone. Not a single artifact in open agricultural fields.
Purveyors of bullshit!

Ralphoosh

Wiki, Youtube, Google - i used to think the web would bring some long sought neutrality. Now i think it's even worse than the MSM.

re: #124 Lucius Septimius

He said his contributions to Google Earth are part of the Nakhba - Palestinian Catastrophe information hub aimed to help displaced Palestinians understand their heritage

False information helps you understand your heritage?

You got it!

re: #16 abolitionist

...and Google is defending the practice of allowing any surfer to change information in its files.

WTF?! Sounds like the Balkanization of cyberspace. This could be serious.

What better way to support the Chinese Communists and Palestinian maniacs. "Do no evil"?, like hell, profit, linked with propaganda is their game.

Funny, go to Google maps. Type in Israel. No roads labeled, no cities labeled, nothing.... all the roads from Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt end at the border.

re: #77 reine.de.tout

re: #70 WrathofG-d

re: #65 reine.de.tout

Yea. Spent Sunday in a mall & could find the "peace scarf" or something that looked just like it in just about every "teenage", or "just post teen", or "trendy" store I entered.

I can't wait till they start selling red, white, and black armbands....I look great in red!

What is so very frightening is that these kids will buy these things, not knowing what it represents, and then THE PARENTS WON'T KNOW EITHER!

At a church I visited once a number of years ago, some fairly young kid sitting up towards the front had on one of those rising-sun bandanas...wore it just like the kamakazi pilots wore it on their forehead. I realize Christianity has a fair amount of self-sacrifice in it, but ....

/think I'll try a different church

More idiots.

This stupidity is akin to suing Yahoo because Nazi stuff dares to show up on computers in France. Suing Google because idiots post stupid stuff on a user-generated section is knee-jerk and only really designed to get attention, not get any kind of results.

The maps are generated through a third party and then these tags people are talking about are user-generated ... you can go into the options of Google Earth (on the left side where it says Layers) and choose to not have borders and boundaries shown (or choose the types of borders - International etc - heck when I zoom into Jerusalem on Google Earth is also says "Yerushalayim" which I hardly think is 'anti-Israel' and the red line it shows as the West Bank border (when you zoom into it) clearly is marked as "1949 Armistice agreement line"). You can also choose not to have user comments on places appear because these are where the issues really come up. Google did not generate the comments, just like Wikipedia does not generate their entries - holding them to blame legally for something generated by users is stupid. If someone doesn't like the comments or identifications on the map - THEN GO CHANGE THEM! See: http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/ubbthreads.php/Cat/0

As far as roads: http://gmaps-samples.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/mapc overage_filtered.html
Israel is one of the 25 countries with no coverage at all

See also: http://www.ogleearth.com/2007/01/google_earth_go_1 .html

This was also of interest: http://www.ogleearth.com/2008/02/heard_of_the_pe.h tml as Iran is protesting Google's the naming of "The Gulf"... so lots of people think Google is wrong on labels - even the Axis of Evil...

If you want detailed maps of Israel with roads, etc., try this Israel road maps (IE only)

There is a button for English at the top.

This 'Thameen' spammed all of Israel with these villages. Everywhere you zoom into, there's a user based upload from this guy. It's a spam, nothing explained. The same mantra of refugee BS.

re: #184 Ilan Toren

You have to be an honest critic about this.... Google as a company is not neutral in regards to Israel. They have Israeli executives and two R&D centers in Israel. They work with Israeli companies and they are friendly to Israel on the level of people to people. Are they sympathetic to the Palestinians? About 1/3 of the Jewish Israelis are too. Probably more left and more critical than anything you've ever dreamed of hearing from Google.

Saying that, their business is not to over manage what users put into the system. The same criticism for Wikipedia. If people want a pro-Israel message then they have to put the information into the system. There are many more pro-Arab people willing or paid to do that, but that is the reality.

That is an excellent observation, and highlights the problem of sites like Google Earth and Wikipedia, where the "truth" is more a matter of majority opinion rather than careful analysis and evidence.

It is a fine example of the result of the result of applied "democracy" (or in anglicized Greek "Demos Kraten" meaning mob rule) by the ignorant. In theory, such mistakes should be corrected by the input of those with better objective evidence. Unfortunately, in the words of Einstein, "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."