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St. Louis Papers Shill for CAIR

Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 9:30:56 am PST

Sure enough, this morning the mainstream newspapers of St. Louis are running CAIR’s smear press release without a hint of skepticism, with no context for readers on the history of CAIR as a radical Islamic front group, or their status as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Hamas funding case: Mosque threatened, Muslim group says.

ST. LOUIS — A national Muslim civil rights organization has asked the FBI to investigate what it considers threats made on the Internet against a Bosnian mosque in St. Louis.

One blog post [These were not “blog posts.” They were comments. – ed.] cited by the group made reference to vandalism and another to the use of dynamite.

Zachary Lowe, a special agent in the St. Louis office of the FBI, said Tuesday that while he could not confirm an investigation, the bureau “takes all threats against people very seriously, especially religious and ethnic groups.”

The comments were made on at least two blogs and related to a posting about a minaret being built at the mosque. The mosque is the Islamic Community Center, or Madina Masjid, at 4666 Lansdowne Avenue. A minaret is a tower from which the Muslim call to prayer is traditionally sounded.

The author of a blog called “Gateway Pundit: Observations of the World from the heart of Jesusland,” posted three photos of the minaret covered with scaffolding. One of the photos included the caption: “Those calls to prayers ought to go over really well with the people of this South St. Louis neighborhood.”

The “Gateway Pundit” author also cited another blog, Republican Riot, saying the Muslim call to prayer “is to be broadcast several times a day.”

But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.

Another blog, called “Little Green Footballs,” linked to the “Gateway Pundit” post, and several comments on “Little Green Footballs,” caused the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations to contact the FBI, said Ibrahim Hooper, the council’s spokesman.

“We ourselves get these kinds of hate messages and threats frequently,” Hooper said. “But you never know who’s just talking and who’s going to carry out some these threats, so you have to check them out.”

CAIR’s propaganda also made it to the local CBS affiliate, KMOV, where they uncritically label LGF an “anti-Muslim site” at CAIR’s bidding: FBI investigating threats made against mosque in St. Louis.

St. Louis, MO (KMOV) - The FBI is just beginning its investigation into threats made against a mosque in south St. Louis.

The mosque has had no problems until threats popped up on the internet just this week.

The American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) Tuesday asked the FBI to investigate the apparent threats that were posted on an anti-Muslim internet site.

The apparent threats come following an arson attack on a Tennessee mosque allegedly by three members of the “Christian Identity” movement and a fire-bomb attack on a Minnesota Muslim business.

The FBI declined to talk to News 4 about this case, but they did say they are taking these threats seriously and are investigating them as a possible hate crime.

My question to both of these media outlets: why the hell don’t you contact me before running this crap? It’s not hard to find Little Green Footballs on the web, and there’s a handy contact form that sends me an email right there on every page.

If either of you had bothered to do your jobs, you would have learned that:

* There are more than 25,000 registered users at LGF.

* There are often more than 5,000 comments posted every single day.

* It is run by *one* person, and comments such as those quoted by CAIR are policed and deleted as soon as possible. But this is an open discussion forum, and comments do not represent the opinion of LGF — as the disclaimer states on every single page of comments.

* The comments quoted by CAIR were posted at LGF for less than two hours before CAIR sent out their press release, and were deleted as soon as the administrator (that would be me) became aware of them. CAIR did not contact me about the comments either—they just went straight to the FBI, and put out a libelous press release.

Bottom line: the mainstream media are disgraceful once again, carrying water for a known radical Islamic organization and failing to do due diligence in covering the story.

More at Gateway Pundit and Cristy Li.

UPDATE at 2/20/08 10:00:20 am:

CAIR’s press release also made it unedited on to the Fox Business site.

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1 joncelli  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:32:15am

Contacting you doesn't fit the agenda, Charles. They're not going to let the facts get in the way of a good story.

2 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:32:35am

Did they even try contacting you for your position, or did they simply rehash the CAIR presser?

3 pat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:32:45am

Symbolic indeed. Symbolic of conquest.

4 ec marm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:33:37am

Nobody refers to Gateway Pundit as anything other that Gateway Pundit. But notice this?

The author of a blog called “Gateway Pundit: Observations of the World from the heart of Jesusland,” posted three photos of the minaret covered with scaffolding.
5 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:33:45am

Ah, apparently not - never mind my #2... it wouldn't fit their preconceptions. And I bet they didn't even bother to read your blog yesterday to see what was written.

Journalism 101 in 2008 - all the opinion and pressers print to fit.

6 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:34:43am

I'm just wondering why the msm seems to take un-indicted co-conspirators at their word instead of running their own research.

7 pat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:35:19am

Hate crime? You must have a crime first. Sorry. This isn't Canada or Britain where insulting the primitive, misogynistic notions of Islam is a crime.

8 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:35:30am

I send a note to Fox Business about this (was nice, of course). They should be ashamed of themselves for picking up that crap.

9 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:35:44am

Americans are such a polite people. CAIR is having trouble trying to find enough to pose a fake problem.

10 Shug  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:35:44am
“takes all threats against people very seriously, especially religious and ethnic groups.”


except for the threats to America that come from CAIR and their friends

11 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:35:48am

Am I the only one thinking that the next Open Registration will bring in some pissed-off hatchlings from St. Louis?

Thanks, Hoopie! You're helping swell the ranks of the Lizard Army.

12 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:35:59am

Charles wrote:

My question to both of these newspapers: why the hell don’t you contact me before running this crap? It’s not hard to find Little Green Footballs on the web, and there’s a handy contact form that sends me an email right there on every page.

It wouldn't fit their agenda then. You see, we are a "hate site", and thus, we are not to be contacted, but simply reviled in the MSM's 2 minute hate.

13 RTLM  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:36:11am

The FBI thought police come a-knockin'. Hey FBI, pay your phone bills, eh - !

14 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:37:25am

I am certainly sorry for any aggravation this causes Charles. I am more concerned about the FBI being dragged into such crap like this and wasting their time ( even of they have to investigate nominally ) instead of concentrating on the big picture. You know like those enemies either external or internal that truly intend on hurting and defiling this great country of ours, that I am always proud of even if Michelle Obama isn't!

15 realwest  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:37:26am

Now c'mon Charles - you're expecting them to engage in..............journalism?
Hell no, take a paid for press release and run with it. It fills up the paper, or gives them something to fill the air-time, let the facts sort themselves out.

16 trailortrash  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:37:41am

what a fucking joke, these people kill over a cartoon and get no bad press.
people blow off some steam and get investigated by the freakin feds?
wth is this world coming to?

17 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:37:53am
Zachary Lowe, a special agent in the St. Louis office of the FBI, said Tuesday that while he could not confirm an investigation, the bureau “takes all threats against people very seriously, especially religious and ethnic groups.”

I'm not so certain about that. After all- there is a threat against a group known as non-muslims that the FBI seems more than willing to ignore when they attend functions with the very group leveling the threat against the non-muslims.

18 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:38:22am

Posted last thread (this time after spell check!):

#803 Ben Hur 2/20/08 9:32:55 am reply quote report 0

And something about this CAIR BS.

Now that the CAIR release went MSM, how many of you believe that the Americans reading the articles are saying to themselves, "Wow, that's really mean of those blogs," rather than "There building an effen what, where?"

I think CAIR has shot itself in the tentacle by giving it more publicity that Gateway ever could.

19 hayseed  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:38:22am

well the whole damned Koran is a threat to non- Muslims for cryin out loud

20 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:38:27am

Hey Charles, maybe the media will start interviewing you. It'll be boring, however, because you are not a racist/right wing bigot like they want. But it could widen your forum a little, for a brief time, at least until the media move on to something else [short-attention span].

21 zmdavid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:38:48am
But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.


Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.

22 Cognito  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:39:04am

My question to both of these newspapers: why the hell don’t you contact me before running this crap? It’s not hard to find Little Green Footballs on the web, and there’s a handy contact form that sends me an email right there on every page.

23 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:39:12am

The modern press are inept and lazy.

LAZY AND INEPT.

And if lazy ineptitude isn't it - then the MSM clearly has an agenda.
Which is worse?

24 Cognito  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:39:32am
My question to both of these newspapers: why the hell don’t you contact me before running this crap? It’s not hard to find Little Green Footballs on the web, and there’s a handy contact form that sends me an email right there on every page.

Yes, that is egregious.

25 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:39:54am

re: #10 Shug

GMTA!

26 the jinxmedic  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:40:19am

Perhaps they should interview Ron Paul! supporters in place of Charles. That would certainly open up a new ring in the media circus!

27 Shug  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:40:19am
Zachary Lowe, a special agent in the St. Louis office of the FBI, said Tuesday that while he could not confirm an investigation, the bureau “takes all threats against people very seriously, especially religious and ethnic groups.”

except when Debbie Schlussel gets death threats

I've spoken with her about this.
The FBI did NOTHING to help her

28 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:40:35am

re: #21 zmdavid

But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.

Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.



At what point did it become symbolic?

29 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:40:50am

Can't you demand a printed retraction, Charles? It won't repair the damage done, but maybe next time they'll stop and actually look at LGF, or whoever CAIR decides to target next.

The press is going to keep doing these things unless somebody calls them on it.

30 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:40:56am

Did anyone else notice comment #2 over at Gateway Pundit. It's from "Anonymous" at Gates of Vienna.

31 pat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:41:04am

Who funded the minaret?

32 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:41:06am

re: #4 ec marm

Nice new Avatar. It sums up things well.

33 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:41:15am

Again, let's look at the bright side: readers might come here and decide that they want to learn more about Islam and its threat to civilization.

34 BuddyG  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:41:23am

For the MSM some crap is just too good to check.

35 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:41:42am

re: #18 Ben Hur

Posted last thread (this time after spell check!):

#803 Ben Hur 2/20/08 9:32:55 am reply quote report 0

And something about this CAIR BS.

Now that the CAIR release went MSM, how many of you believe that the Americans reading the articles are saying to themselves, "Wow, that's really mean of those blogs," rather than "There building an effen what, where?"

I think CAIR has shot itself in the tentacle by giving it more publicity that Gateway ever could.

BEN HUR!

You make a great point.

36 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:41:43am

I've got to think that as open as LGF is, the FBI probably won't be that much interested in investigating. No ties to Nazis, no ties to other really dangerous groups, and Charles using the Stinky Stick to delete the over-the-top comments.

I suspect some of the FBI-types are anti-idiotarians, too.

37 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:41:50am

Is this the same St Louis where they're throwing up a tower at the local mosque, for the call to prayer, as we speak?

Deary me.

38 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:41:59am

re: #28 debutaunt

re: #21 zmdavid


But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.

Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.


At what point did it become symbolic?

IDOLATORS! STONE THEM!

39 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:42:05am

Journalistic Malfeasance should be punishable by law.

40 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:42:55am

re: #21 zmdavid

But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.


Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.

What could they be if not loudspeakers? Qassam missile launchers?

41 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:43:01am

re: #39 rawmuse

Journalistic Malfeasance should be punishable by law.

We don't have enough jail space!

42 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:43:17am

re: #21 zmdavid

But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.


Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.

It is symbolic of Islamic law laying claim to the land. I wish I could find the link to that, but I read somewhere in the last year that minarets signified the rule of Sharia. Anybody know what I'm talking about?

43 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:43:25am

re: #37 Wishbone

You need a sugar fix mate. Repeat after me: "Need cookie, find kitchen, need cookie, find kitchen...."

Repeat until sugar levels restored.

44 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:43:33am

If CAIR complains everytime someone posts something negative about Muslims on the internet, they're going to be the "boy who cried wolf" laughingstock of Federal law enforcement (if they aren't already).

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the room of the FBI office where this complaint was received.

45 Cognito  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:43:56am

re: #39 rawmuse

Journalistic Malfeasance should be punishable by law.

re: #29 littleoldlady

Can't you demand a printed retraction, Charles? It won't repair the damage done, but maybe next time they'll stop and actually look at LGF, or whoever CAIR decides to target next.

The press is going to keep doing these things unless somebody calls them on it.

Oh, wow -- which part of this story warrants jail time, exactly?

46 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:44:07am

Is it a hate crime to hate CAIR?

47 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:44:16am

re: #31 pat

Who funded the minaret?

Sharif?

48 pegcity  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:44:25am

Yeah and the Thule Society was a German Civil rights organisation.

49 ec marm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:44:35am

Repeating what I said this morning:

If CAIR has to devote some of their Saudi money to paying the salary of someone to cherry pick the statistically insignificant 'over the top' comment that gets made her, that is that much less money they have to spend on those activities that get them in trouble with the law.
50 Cognito  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:44:52am

re: #45 Cognito

Eh, garbled my post, there. Not sure where the littleoldlady part came from.

My question was about news stories being 'punishable by law.'

51 Sloatsburgh  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:44:55am

Journalism is no longer about investigation. It's nothing more than relaying comments made by people/groups.

52 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:44:58am

re: #42 coquimbojoe

re: #21 zmdavid


But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.

Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.

It is symbolic of Islamic law laying claim to the land. I wish I could find the link to that, but I read somewhere in the last year that minarets signified the rule of Sharia. Anybody know what I'm talking about?

The lovely message get out even without working loudspeakers.

53 israel4ever  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:45:00am

WOW - the media didn't bother to investigate? They just printed crap straight from CAIR? I'm so. shocked.

/

54 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:45:09am

re: #36 Golem Akbar

I've got to think that as open as LGF is, the FBI probably won't be that much interested in investigating. No ties to Nazis, no ties to other really dangerous groups, and Charles using the Stinky Stick to delete the over-the-top comments.

I suspect some of the FBI-types are anti-idiotarians, too.

J. Edgar's spirit is not dead.

55 zmdavid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:45:24am

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow
Being generous, since its still under construction, they could be irregular parts of the scaffolding. The picture is not that well lit and it's difficult to say.

56 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:45:36am

Charles,

My question to both of these newspapers: why the hell don’t you contact me before running this crap? It’s not hard to find Little Green Footballs on the web, and there’s a handy contact form that sends me an email right there on every page.


Come on, man, you are asking them to perform journalism. Everyone knows that is simply impossible for the MSM. They'd contact you, you'd explaine the facts, and the facts don't fit their narrative.

Can't have that happen. If the facts don't fit, you must ignore them.

That is the MSM today.

57 realwest  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:45:41am

Charles, as was posted by gop_patriot on the DT,

"CAIR has hundreds of board members and employees and some 50,000 members. It would be illogical and unfair to hold CAIR responsible for the personal activities of all these people.

The fact that Elashi was once associated with one of our more than thirty regional chapters has no legal significance to our corporation given the fact that any actions taken by him were outside the scope and chronology of his association with one of our chapters."
But somehow you're responsible for people who you don't even know making asinie statements on LGF, but CAIR isn't repsonible for what their own "associates" says or does?
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Reported that to you this morning, btw, from Urban Myths or somesuch.

58 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:45:43am

re: #39 rawmuse

Journalistic Malfeasance should be punishable by law.

NO!

59 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:45:49am

re: #36 Golem Akbar


I suspect some of the FBI-types are anti-idiotarians, too.


Some?

If the FBI didn't know what CAIR is and is up to by this point, that would be professional malpractice.

60 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:46:25am

Folks- if you think a comment is over the top- please ding it down and/or report it to Charles. These tools are here for us for a reason.

61 realwest  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:46:33am

PIMF asinine.

62 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:46:59am

re: #52 debutaunt

PIMP 'gets out'

63 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:47:23am

Gee, I wonder if these people get so excited about postings that are outright treason at the DailyKos? Nah, that would make sense. In any event, the postings at a site like this are only semi-moderated and do not represent the viewpoint of the site management. I could express a viewpoint that all pigs have wings. That would not make it correct or cause LGF to be a threat to pigs. The amount of illiteracy in the msm astounds me. Maybe the posts were made by long timers (I doubt it, but it is possible), more likely they were made by folks who registered with the intent to discredit the site. Given that the msm can't tell the difference or even understand the mechanics of such a thing I have to put them into the moonbat camp.

64 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:47:38am

re: #47 MandyManners

re: #31 pat

Who funded the minaret?

Sharif?

Yeah, but he don't like it....

/Just sayin'

65 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:47:45am

re: #35 loppyd

Why, yes.

Yes I did.

Thank you, LoppyD!

66 Teacake!  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:47:49am

This just goes to show you how little anything can believed in ANY "news story."

Snide remarks made among each other hardly constitutes as a dangerous threat

67 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:48:12am

re: #44 looking closely

If CAIR complains everytime someone posts something negative about Muslims on the internet, they're going to be the "boy who cried wolf" laughingstock of Federal law enforcement (if they aren't already).

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the room of the FBI office where this complaint was received.

That is a great point, also Muslims have more protections under the law and in reality here in America than in all the Muslim countrys. If they fall in disfavor of the ruling elite in Saudi Arabia, lets see if they can plead their case to the Saudi internal police or their supreme court. I am sure they can right before they are beheaded.

68 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:48:14am

re: #59 looking closely

re: #36 Golem Akbar


I suspect some of the FBI-types are anti-idiotarians, too.

Some?

If the FBI didn't know what CAIR is and is up to by this point, that would be professional malpractice.


You would think.

69 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:48:28am

re: #63 Shr_Nfr

No, because when it is done on Kos and the like, it is obviously done by trolls.


/

70 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:48:33am

I wonder out loud if CAIR has ever been responsible for directly planting these sorts of posts in the first place.

They certainly seem to be reading every post here.

71 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:48:35am

re: #60 Sharmuta

Wasn't there, at one time, a facility for reporting comments?

What happened to that?

72 CIA Reject  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:48:46am

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow

re: #21 zmdavid

But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.


Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.

What could they be if not loudspeakers? Qassam missile launchers?

Oh, I dunno- maybe a couple of these?

After all ya can't have any privacy with all that nasty RF from FBI bugs blasting out all over the neighborhood can ya?

JAM IT!

73 RickZ  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:48:48am

{SIGH} Why can't our intrepid media understand jihad, in all its forms and manifestations? Take a weekend off the cocktail party circuit and actually do some bloody research. That by not even publishing khartoons (plus three ringers) that caused world-wide rioting (how can you have a riots story without showing what set off these fine upstanding citizens of the world?), their "self-censorship" is worse than anything they fear (in their fevered minds) the evil Government might impose?

/Getting sick of living in Wonderland, where everything is upside down.

74 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:49:01am

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow

They got a noise permit for those things that sound like a pig squealing?

75 MI DB  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:49:07am

My thoughts are that since CAIR reported the comments so quickly..... perhaps, just perhaps mind you....... they are the ones who left them there. Just thinking about how some of the cartoons were planted..... maybe the comments were too. It would not be unusual to think that one or two lizards might be [bigoted word]s in disguise.

76 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:49:19am

re: #64 coquimbojoe

re: #47 MandyManners


re: #31 pat

Who funded the minaret?

Sharif?

Yeah, but he don't like it....

/Just sayin'

It's the boogie sound that he doesn't like.

77 Shug  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:49:21am

re: #70 looking closely

I wonder out loud if CAIR has ever been responsible for directly planting these sorts of posts in the first place.

They certainly seem to be reading every post here.


Most of them I suspect.

78 didache  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:49:35am

"One blog post cited by the group made reference to vandalism and another to the use of dynamite".

Why not just reply that the quotes were taken "out of context". That's the usual CAIR response to embarrassing Muslim quotes.

(Oh, by the way, hello Ibrahim and Ahmed, if you're reading this)

79 winston06  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:49:38am

CAIR should be investigated by FBI for possible terror links.

80 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:49:47am

re: #45 Cognito

Oh, wow -- which part of this story warrants jail time, exactly?

Where did I say anything about jail time, exactly?!

81 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:49:50am

re: #71 Wishbone

re: #60 Sharmuta

Wasn't there, at one time, a facility for reporting comments?

What happened to that?

It's the "report" button up at the top of each and every comment, to the right of the "reply" and "quote" buttons.

82 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:50:10am

re: #70 looking closely

I wonder out loud if CAIR has ever been responsible for directly planting these sorts of posts in the first place.

They certainly seem to be reading every post here.

I know they have falsified threats in the past to drum up some news.

83 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:50:22am

re: #66 Teacake!

It was more than just snide remarks.

re: #71 Wishbone

There is a "report" tool right next to "reply" and "quote". It's quite effective when actually used.

84 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:50:23am

" minaret is a tower from which the Muslim call to prayer is traditionally sounded. "
"Imam Muhamed Hasic,,,,,,,,,, said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer."

My church has a bell tower,, but it's only symbolic. Father Jim would never have it rung on lets say Easter,,, or during a wedding,,,, Good Friday at the time Jesus died!

In my house ,, we have several phones ,,, but they're only symbolic. They're not used to make calls

My son has a soccer ball, but it's only symbolic. he never uses it to play SOCCER

I'll buy that bridge in New York mode off

85 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:50:27am

re: #71 Wishbone

re: #60 Sharmuta

Wasn't there, at one time, a facility for reporting comments?

What happened to that?

See that little blue button "report" to the far right at the top?

86 maddogg  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:50:48am

I have been involved with several events that were covered by the media. I got quite an awakening as to their lack of concern for getting the facts straight.

/Can't hack math, science, logic, change your major to journalism, the last unchallenged bastion of the nitwit.

87 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:50:50am

Yalla. Let's set up a Council of Un-Lizard Activities Commission and start naming names!

LOL!

88 AMER1CAN  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:51:15am

You can discuss the story on the KMOV forums. http://www.kmov.com/forums/

/back into hiding

89 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:51:24am

re: #81 Honorary Yooper

You know what mate, I really need to get myself a little sugar boost. Then I should check my glasses........ Then phone a therapist just in case.

D'oh!

90 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:51:37am

re: #71 Wishbone

Its right on the top right if you are logged in. Three links reply, quote, and report. The report reports the post to the administrator. One would hope that people would use it for posts that are not appropriate.

91 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:51:38am

re: #72 CIA Reject

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow


re: #21 zmdavid

But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.

Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.

What could they be if not loudspeakers? Qassam missile launchers?

Oh, I dunno- maybe a couple of these?

After all ya can't have any privacy with all that nasty RF from FBI bugs blasting out all over the neighborhood can ya?

JAM IT!

I like the bullet-proof option.

92 Pickle  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:51:41am

Thank CAIR every time they bring publicity to LGF, negative or not. People are going to be coming here to see if the story is true. When they find out it's not, the hate people will leave, and the people truly concerned about the threat to America posed by Islamic totalitarianism will stay and learn. This will only hurt terror-enabling groups like CAIR in the long run.

93 Go_Fish  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:51:46am

Here's the email I sent to Tim Townsend, the reporter who wrote today's story:

Mr Townsend,

Just so you know, CAIR was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas funding trial in Texas last year, has had several of its officials convicted on terror-related charges, and was founded by members of an organization that was named by a Muslim Brotherhood operative as part of its "grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house." They are a propaganda organ for Islamist extremists.

CAIR is notorious for cherry picking comments out of blogs and anti-jihad websites and using them to make hysterical claims about "islamophobia", which is what they've done in this case. Few of the investigations have found any valid threats against them or Muslims in general. They have a long history of filing lawsuits and demanding police investigations of journalists and critics of their organization as a way to intimidate them into silence. Any press release from them should be taken with a large grain of salt. I wouldn't trust them as a source.

Here is some background on CAIR and what they're up to:

[Link: www.anti-cair-net.org...]

[Link: www.americansagainsthate.org...]

Information about global jihad and terror:

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

I just got his response about an hour ago:

Thanks, Robert. I know what CAIR is. I cover religion, I know all the St. Louis-area CAIR members, and I do trust them as sources.

And here's my response to that:

Cool. Then can you ask them how CAIR justifies it's tactic of trolling and posting incendiary comments on blogs and then using them to make phony charges of harrassment?

Because that's exactly what happened here. It's called "mobying" and they've been caught doing it dozens of times. That doesn't sound very trustworthy to me.

Robert

We'll see where it goes from here.

94 hayseed  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:52:01am

St. louis. com

the email ttownsend@post-dispatch.com

95 Teacake!  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:52:13am

I hope Charles plans to sue CAIR for defamation or something like that.

96 Cognito  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:52:43am

Wow.

I am amazed at some of the things I'm reading here.

People are minimizing and dismissing these comments -- "Snide remarks made among each other hardly constitutes as a dangerous threat" -- in a fashion that's just plain disappointing. Not to mention whining along the lines of "Well, CAIR said this..." and "Well, Kos said that..."

Moral relativism, indeed.

I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.

97 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:52:50am

re: #80 littleoldlady

re: #45 Cognito


Oh, wow -- which part of this story warrants jail time, exactly?

Where did I say anything about jail time, exactly?!

Read his #50. He screwed up his post and did not mean to reply to you, but to rawmuse.

98 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:52:50am

re: #78 didache,

They don't like it when you communicate directly with them. It makes them part of the community.

Couldn't have that. After all, we're haters.

Don't know about you, but I'm still mad about 9-11. Don't notice Ibrahim or Achmed doing much about that...

99 BGOH  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:53:06am

Charles, it looks like you've been dirve-by'ed. It boggles the mind how little research "journalists" actually do these days. I would very seriously like to know who exactly creates the template for the media, because it is incredible how many different media institutions pick up the same themes in such a short peroind of time and all fall in line. There has to be one person somewhere sending subliminal messages to people in print and television media. There is no other rational explanation.

Either that or they're just a bunch of libs with the same worldview. Nah...the conspiracy theory is much more fun. I'm gonna roll with it!

100 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:53:12am

No, really.

How long have I been posting and lurking about on LGF?

You'd think I would have, sort of, noticed that by now eh?

I blame my subconscious.

101 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:53:24am

re: #65 Ben Hur

You are most welcome.

They should be careful what they wish for....

102 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:53:37am

re: #78 didache

Unless you are able to read them in the original Mohegan you can't quite grasp the essence of the remark. Kinda like the Koran and Arabic you know.

103 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:53:44am

re: #68 Golem Akbar
I've (mercifully) had very little personal experience with the FBI, but the little I have had showed them to be professional and capable. Its a relatively selective group.

In any large organization you'll encounter individuals below the middle of the bell curve, and you'll always encounter certain institutional biases, but these people really are the elite law enforcement in the USA, and they are certainly not idiots.

I am certain the FBI will give this matter the full attention that it deserves, if you follow what I am saying here.

104 Cognito  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:54:03am

re: #80 littleoldlady

re: #45 Cognito

Oh, wow -- which part of this story warrants jail time, exactly?

Where did I say anything about jail time, exactly?!

Sorry, see my follow-up -- I wasn't sure where your quote came from, there. I meant the question for the other person quoted.

105 snowcrash  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:54:24am

FBI scrutiny/media attention can be a dangerous thing for someone (Charles) who might be trying to remain fairly anonymous. Lot of kooks out there.

106 Gordon Marock  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:54:24am

Charles, you should help the FBI track down the posters, and once the posts are traced to Ibrahim Hooper's PC, he can be arrested for a hate crime.

107 LC LaWedgie  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:54:24am
My question to both of these newspapers:

1. The MSM is more afraid of Islam than you are.

2. The MSM without sensationalism is as impotent as a mosque tower without speakers.

108 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:54:45am

re: #87 Ben Hur

Yalla. Let's set up a Council of Un-Lizard Activities Commission and start naming names!

LOL!

You laugh, but I can give you a short list of those who would sign up.

109 Gordon Marock  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:55:15am

re: #96 Cognito

Wow.

I am amazed at some of the things I'm reading here.

People are minimizing and dismissing these comments -- "Snide remarks made among each other hardly constitutes as a dangerous threat" -- in a fashion that's just plain disappointing. Not to mention whining along the lines of "Well, CAIR said this..." and "Well, Kos said that..."

Moral relativism, indeed.

I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.

Mmmmmmmmm, pudding!

110 realwest  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:55:44am

re: #36 Golem Akbar Golem I wish you were correct, but, iirc, about a year or two ago, a former poster, now banned, posted such hysterical, over-the top calls to violence, that CAIR (I believe) complained to the FBI who did in fact call Charles, twice. While I am sure that legally Charles has nothing to fear, I'm also sure that just getting calls from the FBI has to be a tad unsettling.
Maybe it's time for LGF to truly investigate CAIR, the "unindicted co-Conspirator" and then publish it out here and let CAIR call anyone it wants to - let them defend themselves outside of a court of law for a change.

111 Shug  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:56:03am

re: #96 Cognito


Agree.
But I think 99% of people here would very strongly object to any threats, or even hints of violence.
Many folks here ( myself included ) are very very critical of CAIR and their ilk.

but I think the forum does an excellent job of policing itself. I can promise you that anybody that advocates violence in a post will have it reported immediately by almost every lizard who reads it. Not to mention people will publically condemn it

112 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:56:06am
113 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:56:10am
114 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:56:26am

For all those who were helpful in bringing my attention to the 'report' link, my thanks.

I'm simply amazed at how much of a 'D'oh!' moment I'm having right now.

115 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:56:29am

re: #104 Cognito

Okay.

/slow reader. ;-)

116 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:56:32am

re: #18 Ben Hur

I think CAIR has shot itself in the testacletentacle by giving it more publicity that Gateway ever could.


Somebody had to do that.

117 Teacake!  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:56:32am

HAS traffic increased much over the past couple of days?

118 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:56:38am

re: #108 loppyd

re: #87 Ben Hur

Yalla. Let's set up a Council of Un-Lizard Activities Commission and start naming names!

LOL!

You laugh, but I can give you a short list of those who would sign up.

Shades of McCarthyism?

119 antiislamist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:56:39am

War of propaganda....

if they contacted you Charles, then Propaganda might have wrecked !

120 victor_yugo  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:57:03am

re: #33 MandyManners

Again, let's look at the bright side: readers might come here and decide that they want to learn more about Islam and its threat to civilization.

Ironically, that's called "the Streisand effect."

121 Go_Fish  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:57:08am

re: #11 MandyManners

Am I the only one thinking that the next Open Registration will bring in some pissed-off hatchlings from St. Louis?

Thanks, Hoopie! You're helping swell the ranks of the Lizard Army.

Joined two weeks ago. Lot's of us locals call it the St. Louis Post-Disgrace. This is a prime example of why.

They will feel the wrath of the fish.

Muahahahahahahaha!

122 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:57:09am

re: #96 Cognito

Wow.

I am amazed at some of the things I'm reading here.

People are minimizing and dismissing these comments -- "Snide remarks made among each other hardly constitutes as a dangerous threat" -- in a fashion that's just plain disappointing. Not to mention whining along the lines of "Well, CAIR said this..." and "Well, Kos said that..."

Moral relativism, indeed.

I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.

Then leave.

123 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:57:22am

Maybe CAIR ought to start a blog and see what kind of comments they get. I have been on several "Pro Islamic" web sites and the even the BBC messageboards and what they threaten to do to non Muslims is far worse then snide remarks in a blog, and as they have proven, far more believeable. Really all we have to do is read the news paper from the Middle East and we can get far more threatening comments then the average Joe posting here, especially since the folks making the comments in the Med East papers and news programs are all supposed to be so called leaders in the Islamic community.

124 Cognito  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:58:00am

re: #122 loppyd

re: #96 Cognito

Wow.

I am amazed at some of the things I'm reading here.

People are minimizing and dismissing these comments -- "Snide remarks made among each other hardly constitutes as a dangerous threat" -- in a fashion that's just plain disappointing. Not to mention whining along the lines of "Well, CAIR said this..." and "Well, Kos said that..."

Moral relativism, indeed.

I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.

Then leave.

See you later.

125 realwest  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:58:31am

re: #56 Iron Fist Please see my #15 - GMTA!

126 JWM  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:58:55am

re-post from deadthread:
I probably shouldn't have read the St. Louis Dispatch article, as it did nothing for my particular frame of mind this morning. It's infuriating that these disgusting creeps at Cair are lurking and just itching to find something- anything to squeal about. On the other hand, some good may come of this. Certainly there will be some folks who read the article, and decide to come over here to LGF to see just what this site, and this community are all about. The offending posts that they quoted speak for themselves. You can guess for yourself just how horrified the average reder will be upon seeing them. Somehow I doubt that many people in middle America are going to check out LGF and come away with sympathy for Cair, and antipathy toward us. Quite the opposite, in fact. This site, its content, and its comments are testimony enough.

JWM

127 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:59:18am

re: #120 victor_yugo

re: #33 MandyManners


Again, let's look at the bright side: readers might come here and decide that they want to learn more about Islam and its threat to civilization.

Ironically, that's called "the Streisand effect."

Unintended consequences, indeed!

128 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:59:21am

In an effort to raise the level of discussion and deflect charges of pudding-like thought processes (which I am from time to time guilty as charged) for the time being, all my comments will be in Haiku form.

129 CheDub  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:59:25am

I think Iowahawk already covered this topic. Poor MSM journalists just have no basic skills outside creative writing. Or in this case, being told what to write by others.

130 Gordon Marock  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:59:37am

re: #124 Cognito

re: #122 loppyd


re: #96 Cognito

Wow.

I am amazed at some of the things I'm reading here.

People are minimizing and dismissing these comments -- "Snide remarks made among each other hardly constitutes as a dangerous threat" -- in a fashion that's just plain disappointing. Not to mention whining along the lines of "Well, CAIR said this..." and "Well, Kos said that..."

Moral relativism, indeed.

I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.


Then leave.

See you later.

WHOA, fella! Make sure you leave the pudding.

131 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:59:40am

The News is sloppy
The reporters are lazy
The Minarets rise.

132 zmdavid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:59:44am

re: #96 Cognito

I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.


I don't agree that LGF would be better without comments. I do agree that not all of them are well thought through.

133 lockandload  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:59:59am

Roh Roh, be on the look out for the brown sedans Charles. Maybe the FBI should be looking into Cair some more before wasting their time on you and or us. thought police inbound lol

134 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:00:16am

re: #121 Go_Fish

I still can't get over the reporter's trust of C.A.I.R.?

135 storagemanager  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:00:27am

I agree with Robert Spencer at jihad watch...many of these comments are plants for CAIR to use against us.

136 victor_yugo  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:00:32am

re: #118 Nevergiveup

re: #108 loppyd

re: #87 Ben Hur

Yalla. Let's set up a Council of Un-Lizard Activities Commission and start naming names!

LOL!

You laugh, but I can give you a short list of those who would sign up.

Shades of McCarthyism?

Uh, McCarthy was right, even if his presentation was sorely lacking.

137 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:00:32am

re: #128 rawmuse

In an effort to raise the level of discussion and deflect charges of pudding-like thought processes (which I am from time to time guilty as charged) for the time being, all my comments will be in Haiku form.

Great idea. From now on, i'll just type in MORSE CODE. (the funny part of it is,, I don;t even KNOW morse code !)

138 Shug  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:00:41am

re: #128 rawmuse

In an effort to raise the level of discussion and deflect charges of pudding-like thought processes (which I am from time to time guilty as charged) for the time being, all my comments will be in Haiku form.

Chocolate, Vanilla
Just don't make it sugar free
Viva la pudding!

139 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:00:57am

re: #132 zmdavid

Some are even petty.

140 musicman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:01:10am

Has anybody tried calling the number at the bottom of the page?

Just asking. . .

141 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:01:14am
142 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:01:31am

re: #122 loppyd

I agree with Cognito on this one. I also find the conspiracy theories that they were planted comments by CAIR moby's beyond stupid. It's just as stupid as the KosKidz claiming their antisemitic diaries are false flags by Rovian plants. I think the best plan of action is to take responsibility and acknowledge that lizards shouldn't make those comments in the future. Without group responsibility this problem is bound to repeat itself.

143 pegcity  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:01:36am

Time to ease up on the new registrations, ive seen about 400 people join and about 50 of those post, im thinking CAIR is stock piling them for use in an onslaught.

144 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:02:06am

Little Green Footballs,
The best hope for westerners
to repel the Blob.

145 JWM  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:02:15am

Hasty pudding?
MMMMM.

JWM

146 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:02:16am

So, another coding job for Charles... a multicolumn comment monitoring screen (one for each active thread, one for dead threads intermixed) for watching incoming comments. Charles's front page entries are the main value of LGF. I would also say the link lists also add value. The commenting is interesting when a civil discussion gets going. But I've always thought since I started reading here in about 2002 that the comment threads were as often a drag on the site as a benefit. Venting here (any reference to violence) will only cause an eventual problem for LGF. It would be interesting to see a log of comments entered that were eventually deleted by Charles, the time they came in, the time he noticed them or he got a report for "clean up on aisle x", and the time they were removed. It happens all the time, so Charles is doing a great job of it. But if CAIR is sitting there waiting to screen shot something, then maybe a pre-check for non-violent content before posting (which amounts to moderating) would be an option. Shift work for lizards? I can think of some who would do a good job of it.

147 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:02:25am

re: #126 JWM

It would seem that Robert Spencer is having to watch his comments sections and, to quote him directly:

"I am accumulating evidence that such comments are planted here by provocateurs, so as to discredit this site."

148 right_wing2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:02:40am

I wonder how long it'd take the CAIR site to take down threats of violence against LGF or a Christian group.

149 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:02:53am

I see our esteemed lecturer from on high has decided to take his ball and go home.

REJOICE ALL YOU PUDDING-HEADED THINKERS! REJOICE!

150 trailortrash  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:02:55am

mmmm pudding

151 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:02:56am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

re: #122 loppyd

I agree with Cognito on this one. I also find the conspiracy theories that they were planted comments by CAIR moby's beyond stupid. It's just as stupid as the KosKidz claiming their antisemitic diaries are false flags by Rovian plants. I think the best plan of action is to take responsibility and acknowledge that lizards shouldn't make those comments in the future. Without group responsibility this problem is bound to repeat itself.

I was referring to this part of the post:

I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.

152 exlnghrn  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:03:02am

Ok, some of us haven't read our Orwell in a while. Let's have a quick refresher.

Diversity and free speach mean "Spewing Saudi Islamicist crap while dhimmis are forced to listen."

Hate speech means anything other than being like sheep when listening to that which advocates the destruction of Western civilization.

Remember the final version of the rules in Animal Farm. "All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others."

153 maddogg  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:03:15am

Its time Mr. Johnson spoke to his attorney and started lawsuit proceedings.

154 Gordon Marock  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:03:18am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

re: #122 loppyd

I agree with Cognito on this one. I also find the conspiracy theories that they were planted comments by CAIR moby's beyond stupid. It's just as stupid as the KosKidz claiming their antisemitic diaries are false flags by Rovian plants. I think the best plan of action is to take responsibility and acknowledge that lizards shouldn't make those comments in the future. Without group responsibility this problem is bound to repeat itself.

Ummm, let me state, without equivocation, that I bear no responsibility for ANYONE on this site other than myself. Don't try to get me involved in your commie 'groupthink.'

155 Charles  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:03:20am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

re: #122 loppyd

I agree with Cognito on this one. I also find the conspiracy theories that they were planted comments by CAIR moby's beyond stupid. It's just as stupid as the KosKidz claiming their antisemitic diaries are false flags by Rovian plants. I think the best plan of action is to take responsibility and acknowledge that lizards shouldn't make those comments in the future. Without group responsibility this problem is bound to repeat itself.

Yes, it looks like most of the comments quoted by CAIR were not from new posters.

However, the worst one was from a relatively new poster, and when I checked his history a previous comment had also been deleted.

156 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:03:23am

re: #96 Cognito

Wow.

I am amazed at some of the things I'm reading here.

People are minimizing and dismissing these comments -- "Snide remarks made among each other hardly constitutes as a dangerous threat" -- in a fashion that's just plain disappointing. Not to mention whining along the lines of "Well, CAIR said this..." and "Well, Kos said that..."

Moral relativism, indeed.

I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.


Comments threatening violence are inappropriate, counter-productive, and explicitly against the rules here.

I didn't see these comments (at all), though in the past I have pointed out ones I think were out of line. I'm not sure any of the ones posted actually did constitute an explicit threat.

But even if they did, they were identified and taken down quickly. That's really the best you can expect from ANY public message system, and its exactly what happened.

Despite CAIR's hyperbole, this site dealt with them entirely appropriately.

I'll leave the FBI to exercise its professional judgment in evaluating the actual threat posed by the posts in question.

157 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:03:45am
158 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:03:51am
159 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:04:06am

re: #96 Cognito

Wow.

I am amazed at some of the things I'm reading here.

People are minimizing and dismissing these comments -- "Snide remarks made among each other hardly constitutes as a dangerous threat" -- in a fashion that's just plain disappointing. Not to mention whining along the lines of "Well, CAIR said this..." and "Well, Kos said that..."

Moral relativism, indeed.

I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.

Sorry you feel that way. Please let us know if you wish not to subject yourself to it antmore.
/Thanks :^)

160 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:04:14am

I begin each day
with a prayer to make my foe
sweat bullets of fear.

161 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:04:21am

re: #146 Sunlight

Charles already did the coding- it's called the report function and ratings system. It's there for a reason- to be used.

162 Charles  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:04:31am

By the way, at the bottom of the Post-Dispatch article is an email address for the author, and he/she just got a strongly-worded statement from me.

163 musicman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:04:37am

Charles,
Also, what is to keep these Moby's from going back to a thread that is several days old, post some horrible comments and then report it as hate speech? Have you ever considered locking commentsafter a certain period of time. The subject could always be brought up again in a new thread?

164 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:04:53am

re: #138 Shug

re: #128 rawmuse


In an effort to raise the level of discussion and deflect charges of pudding-like thought processes (which I am from time to time guilty as charged) for the time being, all my comments will be in Haiku form.

Chocolate, Vanilla
Just don't make it sugar free
Viva la pudding!

Sponge pudding?

165 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:05:03am

Sleeping in,

It's hard to deliver a wake-up call for a civilization so determined to smother the alarm clock in the soft fluffy pillow of multiculturalism and sleep in for another 10 years. -Mark Steyn

166 CIA Reject  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:05:31am

re: #137 sattv4u2

re: #128 rawmuse

In an effort to raise the level of discussion and deflect charges of pudding-like thought processes (which I am from time to time guilty as charged) for the time being, all my comments will be in Haiku form.

Great idea. From now on, i'll just type in MORSE CODE. (the funny part of it is,, I don;t even KNOW morse code !)

You don't need to know it!

/ .- .. -. - + - .... . + .. -. - . .-. -. . - + --. .-. . .- -

167 Infidoll  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:05:51am

I have a hard time believing that the FBI hasn't caught on to CAIR's perpetually aggrieved state and, more importantly, its transparent intimidation tactics by now. The FBI, to the extent it hasn't already, should explain that, although it must and will continue to take every serious threat seriously, CAIR really needs to stop using the FBI as a way of intimidating its media critics.

The really amazing thing about CAIR is its inability to understand that no amount of complaining and lobbying is going to make the US into Canada or Europe. They can intimidate the MSM and law enforcement, but there is only so much they can do about the First Amendment.

In your FACE, Hooper!

168 Shug  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:06:02am

re: #164 MandyManners

ew

169 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:06:04am

re: #154 Gordon Marock

Ummm, let me state, without equivocation, that I bear no responsibility for ANYONE on this site other than myself. Don't try to get me involved in your commie 'groupthink.'


But you should be willing to help out and take some responsibility for helping out the blog such as reporting problematic comments.

170 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:06:12am

re: #46 loppyd

Is it a hate crime to hate CAIR?

look at the tactics of cair and islamists around the world. murder and mayhem everywhere as dictated by the koran. they are the haters.

171 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:06:17am

re: #162 Charles

By the way, at the bottom of the Post-Dispatch article is an email address for the author, and he/she just got a strongly-worded statement from me.

Share?

172 maddogg  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:06:25am

re: #96 Cognito


I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.

You are the authority on flabby, pudding-like thinking.

173 right_wing2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:06:34am

re: #157 buzzsawmonkey

'Take down' as in remove.

174 victor_yugo  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:07:08am

re: #162 Charles

By the way, at the bottom of the Post-Dispatch article is an email address for the author, and he/she just got a strongly-worded statement from me.

Go Charles!

But don't be like the UN. If further action is warranted, don't just issue "yet another strongly-worded statement," k? ;-)

175 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:07:10am

re: #143 pegcity

Time to ease up on the new registrations, ive seen about 400 people join and about 50 of those post, im thinking CAIR is stock piling them for use in an onslaught.

I presume that's easy enough. If any new accounts aren't used within a certain time limit, it gets automatically deleted. Given that many are eager to get themselves an LGF registration, it does seem odd that once registered, so many of them decline to join in and contribute.

176 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:07:20am

re: #112 MandyManners

Hey, Hoopie! Your momma's now a tat!

I thought is was a little over the top when I got it. But now I am proud of it. It sure is a conversation starter at dinner parties!

177 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:07:36am
"But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical."

Symbolic? just like the sword, symbolic?
BULLSHIT!

..that's the problem with Islam, the Koran. None of it is symbolic or allegorical. It's all literally interpreted - a 7th century madness being practiced in a 21st century world.

178 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:07:40am

re: #112 MandyManners

Hey, Hoopie! Your momma's now a tat!

Made me choke on my lunch! LOLOLOL!
/DAMN you, Mandy.

179 AMER1CAN  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:07:40am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Several Lizards did own up to the comments and apologized to Mr. Johnson and the LGF community, including myself yesterday night.

I hope all get a chance to read my public apology and I am sincerely sorry for this trouble for Charles and LGF.

180 calgrammy  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:07:54am

The Post Dispatch is a very left wing rag. It's worse than the LA Times and the NY Times. It's the only newspaper in STL. The Globe-Democrat went out of business years ago. The Post never checks facts, they work on feelings.

181 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:07:59am

re: #168 Shug

re: #164 MandyManners

ew

I've been told it's quite good.

182 Gordon Marock  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:08:02am

I am beginning to see what is going on here, with Charles luring hundreds of new Lizards in every day with open registrations, and his constant 'tweaking' of his 'systems' . . . . He is creating the Matrix at LGF.

P.S. I want to be Neo. Anyone want to be Morpheus?

183 chinesearithmetic  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:08:06am

Things about St. Louis I wish New York had: Ted Drewes' custard, Gateway Pundit, Erin Bode's voice, Charlie Gitto's pasta, The St. Louis Post-Dispatch

184 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:08:15am
185 zombie  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:08:21am

OT

The next video from the Berkeley/Marine Corps/Code Pink protest is online:

Students disrespecting older protesters - Berkeley

Click on the picture above (or here) to view a video compilation of how disrespectful the student protesters were toward the adults. A summary of the action (some of the audio portions may be difficult to make out):

Student protesters [chanting at the Marines supporters]: Get the fuck off our block! Get the fuck off our block!
Girl protester #1: ...Bitch! Film that! [While "flipping off" the Marines supporters with a "fuck you" gesture.]
Boy protester #1: [Prancing back and forth in front of the Marines supporters while taunting them with gang signs.]
...
Boy protester #2: Are you really that low, to hit a minor? Are you? Think about it! That's how fucking DUMB you are!
Boy protester #3: Hey -- freshen up your red neck!
Protester off-camera: Redneck!
Boy protester #2: That's how stupid you are!
...
Student protesters: [Chanting and yelling while pressing forward and shaking fists at the Marines supporters.]
Elderly veteran: [Tries to extricate himself from the situation by pushing through the crowd.]
Student protesters: [Cries of outrage.]
Girl protester #2: Fucked up! Fuck! [punches the elderly veteran lightly on the back.]
Student protesters: [Turning around starting to pursue the elderly veteran.]
Girl protester #3: [Yelling at elderly veteran] Shit! Fuck you, bitch!
Boy protester #4: Hey, fuck that old man...

186 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:08:37am

re: #176 coquimbojoe

re: #112 MandyManners


Hey, Hoopie! Your momma's now a tat!

I thought is was a little over the top when I got it. But now I am proud of it. It sure is a conversation starter at dinner parties!

I'm laughing hard now, joe.

187 Teacake!  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:08:43am

I think he or she has a lot of pudding in the cranium if s/he doesn't know the difference from passing comments or actual threats. No one here contacted that mosque or even hinted to take any real actions.
Especially considering that Charles deletes distasteful comments quickly, which is why it is so suspicious that CAIR found them all pretty much as soon as they were posted.

188 vxbush  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:08:48am

re: #163 musicman

Charles,
Also, what is to keep these Moby's from going back to a thread that is several days old, post some horrible comments and then report it as hate speech? Have you ever considered locking commentsafter a certain period of time. The subject could always be brought up again in a new thread?

I concur. I've thought for a while now that old threads should be automatically closed after a certain amount of time, like 5 days.

189 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:08:53am

re: #125 realwest,

Indeed. Heh™

:-)

190 wahabicorridor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:09:02am

re: #147 Wishbone


hmmmm. Most interesting. Looks like the anti-jihadi sites are being set up.

I have a question. What happens next? Is Charles supposed to turn over info on the offending posters or something?

191 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:09:10am

re: #178 MrMom

re: #112 MandyManners


Hey, Hoopie! Your momma's now a tat!

Made me choke on my lunch! LOLOLOL!
/DAMN you, Mandy.

Heimlich?

192 CheDub  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:09:12am

re: #162 Charles

By the way, at the bottom of the Post-Dispatch article is an email address for the author, and he/she just got a strongly-worded statement from me.

I saw that and was thinking all Lizards should send the writer an email. Not a violent, threatening one, but something explaining how LGF works and that he/she should check their facts. I chuckle to think of the writer seeing 25,000 new messages in the inbox if we did this.

193 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:09:19am

re: #162 Charles

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for an apology Charles.

194 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:09:24am

Charles,

Why don't you just tell them it was SATIRE. It seems to work for everyone else.

/s

Walter in Golden, Co.

195 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:09:35am

re: #166 CIA Reject

You either just told me I won the lottery or called me a very bad bad name !

196 purpose  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:09:39am

ISLAMOCOWARDS!

197 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:10:08am

re: #182 Gordon Marock

I am beginning to see what is going on here, with Charles luring hundreds of new Lizards in every day with open registrations, and his constant 'tweaking' of his 'systems' . . . . He is creating the Matrix at LGF.

P.S. I want to be Neo. Anyone want to be Morpheus?

I wanna' be the tall woman with the slicked-back hair.

Oh, wait. Doesn't she get killed?

198 Gordon Marock  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:10:40am

re: #169 Killgore Trout

re: #154 Gordon Marock


Ummm, let me state, without equivocation, that I bear no responsibility for ANYONE on this site other than myself. Don't try to get me involved in your commie 'groupthink.'

But you should be willing to help out and take some responsibility for helping out the blog such as reporting problematic comments.

Fine, I will do my best. But let me state that I may not be able to squeeze it in with my current 9.2 hours/day web surfing schedule.

199 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:10:41am

re: #110 realwest

re: #36 Golem Akbar Golem I wish you were correct, but, iirc, about a year or two ago, a former poster, now banned, posted such hysterical, over-the top calls to violence, that CAIR (I believe) complained to the FBI who did in fact call Charles, twice. While I am sure that legally Charles has nothing to fear, I'm also sure that just getting calls from the FBI has to be a tad unsettling.


Maybe the first time or two.
After a while it might go something like this:

FBI agent: Mr. Johnson, this is special agent Jones.
Charles: Hi Bob, let me guess. . .you got another complaint from CAIR about those three posts I took down this morning. Do you need the IP addresses?
FBI agent: Yup.
Charles: Here you go.
FBI agent: Thank you for your co-operation.

PITA, sure. But so long as Charles isn't advocating violence (which he most certainly is not, and the contrary is true), and the inappropriate posts in question come down quickly (which they are), I don't see how this is going to change anything.

200 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:10:59am

Charles, have you contacted the StL media outlets to offer your side? Have any of our StL-based lizards contacted them?

201 burntjohn  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:11:07am

Why the papers did not contact LGF?

Sites like LGF are the enemy, they take business and credibility away from the MSM.
Everybody knows what is said and posted, they don't care, dump buckets of crap all over the site and its posters.
No matter how right, fair or accurate this site may be, you do not have a big enough bullhorn to defend yourself against such attacks.
Look at Limbaugh, who has millions of listeners and every word is transcribed and he still gets relentlessly smeared and purposely misquoted and. Or even a snippet of what he says is twisted into the most insane things.
LGF with its small membership is easy to demonize and impossible to defend.
How many posters here would stick their necks out publicly against CAIR.
CAIR is a detestable group with very public spokespeople and lots of money.
LGF is a group of nameless, faceless, anonymous like minded people.
Do even the folks who run this site want to put their families through that type of grinder?
Would those same newspapers report on the threats and harassment that would come along with it.
I doubt it.

202 exlnghrn  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:11:17am

Methinks from the alleged journalist's comments that he is ready and willing to accept dhimmi-tude. Or he's just lazy enough to print a press release. If that's the case, Charles, how about LGF prints up a press release about CAIR's history?

203 deseeded  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:11:38am

I assume people are talking about a libel suit?

Why not just tell the media that the posters were really just "naive kids". That always works with CAIR.

204 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:11:45am

re: #143 pegcity

Time to ease up on the new registrations, ive seen about 400 people join and about 50 of those post, im thinking CAIR is stock piling them for use in an onslaught.

No matter how open the registration is, some will get in.

205 Catttt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:11:51am

( (Charles) )

206 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:11:57am

Charles,

Good morning. Sorry you're going through this. I presume that FBI agents are not real personable when it comes to this stuff. And the way the MSM shills for CAIR and its ilk is simply intolerable.

You're at the point where the next hump might put you into the MSM's territory in terms of hits (how many hits does the Post Dispatch get in a day?). Maybe we all need to get you there. Then they would have to deal with you.

207 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:12:02am

re: #197 MandyManners

Yeah, she dies, but she looks hot doing it. You got that going for you.

208 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:12:37am

re: #93 Go_Fish


Wow. Well at least you actually got a response. A civil one as well.

As to the rest, post it when and if you get it.

209 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:12:51am

re: #162 Charles

By the way, at the bottom of the Post-Dispatch article is an email address for the author, and he/she just got a strongly-worded statement from me.


Great.
Please keep us updated.
I'd love to see the vacant non-response you are probably going to get back from the author.

210 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:13:29am

re: #185 zombie,

Memo to Berkeley: Get the fuck out of my country!

211 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:13:45am

re: #183 chinesearithmetic

Things about St. Louis I wish New York had: Ted Drewes' custard, Gateway Pundit, Erin Bode's voice, Charlie Gitto's pasta, The St. Louis Post-Dispatch

Yeah, the concretes at Ted Drewes' are excellent.

212 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:13:45am

re: #207 BulgarWheat

re: #197 MandyManners

Yeah, she dies, but she looks hot doing it. You got that going for you.

I think I'll be happy at 5'2".

213 Gordon Marock  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:14:11am

re: #197 MandyManners

re: #182 Gordon Marock


I am beginning to see what is going on here, with Charles luring hundreds of new Lizards in every day with open registrations, and his constant 'tweaking' of his 'systems' . . . . He is creating the Matrix at LGF.

P.S. I want to be Neo. Anyone want to be Morpheus?


I wanna' be the tall woman with the slicked-back hair.

Oh, wait. Doesn't she get killed?

Yes, she got killed, but I (Neo) brought her back to life.

214 Bobibutu  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:14:20am

re: #18 Ben Hur

My grandparents were investigated by a Grand Jury for fraud accusations back in the thirties. No charges were ever filed and the matter dropped when all facts became known.

The local media had a field day going after them tho.

They went on to become celebrated community and business leaders.

The lesson taught to me was - it does not matter what others say about you. It is your response that matters.

215 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:14:46am

re: #213 Gordon Marock

re: #197 MandyManners


re: #182 Gordon Marock

I am beginning to see what is going on here, with Charles luring hundreds of new Lizards in every day with open registrations, and his constant 'tweaking' of his 'systems' . . . . He is creating the Matrix at LGF.
P.S. I want to be Neo. Anyone want to be Morpheus?

I wanna' be the tall woman with the slicked-back hair.
Oh, wait. Doesn't she get killed?

Yes, she got killed, but I (Neo) brought her back to life.

Well, I'm back in again.

216 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:14:53am

re: #162 Charles

By the way, at the bottom of the Post-Dispatch article is an email address for the author, and he/she just got a strongly-worded statement from me.

"He/she"? Uh, that doesn't sound good.

217 zombie  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:15:04am

re: #210 Iron Fist

re: #185 zombie,

Memo to Berkeley: Get the fuck out of my country!

Wait til the next video! Someone speaks for you! Those very words!

218 Gordon Marock  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:15:05am

Hijacked by misunderstanders of LGF? I like it.

219 Charles  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:15:13am

re: #209 looking closely

re: #162 Charles

By the way, at the bottom of the Post-Dispatch article is an email address for the author, and he/she just got a strongly-worded statement from me.


Great.
Please keep us updated.
I'd love to see the vacant non-response you are probably going to get back from the author.

It's as bad as you think. Completely ignores all my points. I'm now considering going over his head to the editors.

220 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:15:15am
221 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:15:46am

re: #124 Cognito

See you later.

Did he really leave? Oh, joy.

Employees of the Post-Dispatch will no doubt be reading this. I hope they realize their employer just stepped in a big stinking pile of journalistic malfeasance by not contacting Charles. I certainly hope the paper ends up in the archives along-side the Throbbing Memo.

You're going to rue the day you screwed with the blogosphere.

222 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:15:57am

re: #164 MandyManners

re: #138 Shug


re: #128 rawmuse

In an effort to raise the level of discussion and deflect charges of pudding-like thought processes (which I am from time to time guilty as charged) for the time being, all my comments will be in Haiku form.

Chocolate, Vanilla
Just don't make it sugar free
Viva la pudding!

Sponge pudding?

You've got too much time on your hands. Or very strange taste in cuisine. :O

223 victor_yugo  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:16:06am

re: #219 Charles

re: #209 looking closely

re: #162 Charles

By the way, at the bottom of the Post-Dispatch article is an email address for the author, and he/she just got a strongly-worded statement from me.


Great.
Please keep us updated.
I'd love to see the vacant non-response you are probably going to get back from the author.

It's as bad as you think. Completely ignores all my points. I'm now considering going over his head to the editors.

Good luck w/ that. The fish rots from the head.

224 Tigger2005  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:16:08am

re: #44 looking closely

If CAIR complains everytime someone posts something negative about Muslims on the internet, they're going to be the "boy who cried wolf" laughingstock of Federal law enforcement (if they aren't already).

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the room of the FBI office where this complaint was received.

"CAIR has told us to jump!"
"How high?"
"Pull twenty guys off that terrorist wiretap and get them to work on it right away!"

225 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:17:01am

re: #219 Charles

re: #209 looking closely


re: #162 Charles

By the way, at the bottom of the Post-Dispatch article is an email address for the author, and he/she just got a strongly-worded statement from me.

Great.
Please keep us updated.
I'd love to see the vacant non-response you are probably going to get back from the author.

It's as bad as you think. Completely ignores all my points. I'm now considering going over his head to the editors.

DO IT, PLEASE!

226 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:17:10am

re: #206 Carl in Jerusalem

I presume that FBI agents are not real personable when it comes to this stuff.


Its "affectionately" known as the Federal Bureau of Intimidation for a reason. Still, they don't have to be abusive or unprofessional, even if they aren't personally happy to be assigned to this nonsense.

As a side note, one wonders if the agents in question have actually spent time reading LGF.

227 TalkinKamel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:17:42am

We've certainly had mobies here before; Spencer has them (and I've seen them on other blogs I've posted on). So, Mobies can't be discounted in this case. I've been afraid for some time that, sooner or later, CAIR, or some other group, would target Charles and LGF. I second the suggestion that Charles cut off registration for a while.

And Charles isn't responsible for any Moby Spewings, or nut-jobs who show up here----as he clearly states. And he deletes such comments when he finds them. And he warns posters who make threats that he's going to kick them off, if they don't cut it out---and if they don't, he does. (Something for which he's been criticized for, for not allowing "freedom of speech", but I think we can all see the wisdom of it).

And as for you, Cognito, if you find this site so offensive, please go away. And as for you, Mandy Manners---I think a bit of Haiku is the very thing we need right now!

Chocolate, caramel
Candy makes one fat,
But Mmmmmm, GOOD!

Frog Prince
Looking for princess
Sound of sloppy kissing!

228 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:17:50am

re: #219 Charles

It's as bad as you think. Completely ignores all my points. I'm now considering going over his head to the editors.

Absolutely! Do it!

229 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:17:54am

re: #222 MrMom

What can I say? I got it here.

230 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:18:07am

re: #217 zombie,

Cool!

231 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:18:07am

re: #155 Charles

re: #142 Killgore Trout

re: #122 loppyd

I agree with Cognito on this one. I also find the conspiracy theories that they were planted comments by CAIR moby's beyond stupid. It's just as stupid as the KosKidz claiming their antisemitic diaries are false flags by Rovian plants. I think the best plan of action is to take responsibility and acknowledge that lizards shouldn't make those comments in the future. Without group responsibility this problem is bound to repeat itself.

Yes, it looks like most of the comments quoted by CAIR were not from new posters.

However, the worst one was from a relatively new poster, and when I checked his history a previous comment had also been deleted.

I went back last night and looked at the profiles for the deleted comments, and it was a mix of newbies, long-time lizards, and a couple who'd been here awhile, but had low posting counts.

One, "drstegl", got cut some slack. He had two comments in a row, both deleted, but no stick.

232 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:18:08am

re: #213 Gordon Marock

I'll be happy to be anyone who pilots one of those mechs from Revolutions.

233 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:18:40am

re: #219 Charles

re: #209 looking closely

re: #162 Charles

By the way, at the bottom of the Post-Dispatch article is an email address for the author, and he/she just got a strongly-worded statement from me.


Great.
Please keep us updated.
I'd love to see the vacant non-response you are probably going to get back from the author.

It's as bad as you think. Completely ignores all my points. I'm now considering going over his head to the editors.

Do it.

234 So?  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:18:55am

I don't know why anyone would want to become a journalist today, they'd do better at being fiction writers.


Having said that, all these St. Louis newspapers have op-ed pages, right.
So why not innundate them with some truth about CAIR & LGF. I'm sure they publish a few letters, if only for the publicity. They can't get away with this jounalistic crap they dish ouut day after day...speaking for most MSM.

235 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:19:37am
236 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:19:56am

re: #226 looking closely

re: #206 Carl in Jerusalem

I presume that FBI agents are not real personable when it comes to this stuff.


Its "affectionately" known as the Federal Bureau of Intimidation for a reason. Still, they don't have to be abusive or unprofessional, even if they aren't personally happy to be assigned to this nonsense.

As a side note, one wonders if the agents in question have actually spent time reading LGF.

Do they have PCs yet? I remember reading one time that they didn't look at anything on the Web.

237 snowcrash  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:20:37am

The Post Dispatch has already decided we are a bunch of haters. No reasoning will change their minds.

238 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:20:43am

re: #236 Ward Cleaver

re: #226 looking closely

re: #206 Carl in Jerusalem

I presume that FBI agents are not real personable when it comes to this stuff.


Its
"affectionately" known as the Federal Bureau of Intimidation for a
reason. Still, they don't have to be abusive or unprofessional, even if
they aren't personally happy to be assigned to this nonsense.

As a side note, one wonders if the agents in question have actually spent time reading LGF.

Do they have PCs yet? I remember reading one time that they didn't look at anything on the Web.


LGF is probably blocked as a "hate site" on their office computers!

239 Purpose  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:20:53am

Why does those minarets always look similar to a man's private parts?

240 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:21:12am
241 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:21:13am

re: #226 looking closely

re: #206 Carl in Jerusalem


I presume that FBI agents are not real personable when it comes to this stuff.

Its "affectionately" known as the Federal Bureau of Intimidation for a reason. Still, they don't have to be abusive or unprofessional, even if they aren't personally happy to be assigned to this nonsense.

As a side note, one wonders if the agents in question have actually spent time reading LGF.

Maybe they will now!

THANK YOU, HOOPIE!

242 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:21:28am

I have to say, I was a little dismayed reading a few comments yesterday that proposed messing with the mosque property. That's not a good idea.

243 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:21:32am

re: #219 Charles,

It is, um, interesting that a so-called "reporter" isnt even interested in talking to one of the principles in his story. Almost as though he has his side of the story, and that is all he cares to present.

244 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:21:52am

re: #240 buzzsawmonkey

re: #239 Purpose

Why does those minarets always look similar to a man's private parts?

Which man?

Achmed al-Wad?

245 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:21:53am

re: #239 Purpose

Why does those minarets always look similar to a man's private parts?

better yet,,, whyy does a mans private part always look similar to a minaret!

see ,,, God DOES have a sense of humor !

246 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:22:10am

re: #227 TalkinKamel

We've certainly had mobies here before; Spencer has them (and I've seen them on other blogs I've posted on). So, Mobies can't be discounted in this case. I've been afraid for some time that, sooner or later, CAIR, or some other group, would target Charles and LGF. I second the suggestion that Charles cut off registration for a while.

And Charles isn't responsible for any Moby Spewings, or nut-jobs who show up here----as he clearly states. And he deletes such comments when he finds them. And he warns posters who make threats that he's going to kick them off, if they don't cut it out---and if they don't, he does. (Something for which he's been criticized for, for not allowing "freedom of speech", but I think we can all see the wisdom of it).

And as for you, Cognito, if you find this site so offensive, please go away. And as for you, Mandy Manners---I think a bit of Haiku is the very thing we need right now!

Chocolate, caramel
Candy makes one fat,
But Mmmmmm, GOOD!

Frog Prince
Looking for princess
Sound of sloppy kissing!

Well, aren't you the romantic one!

247 MellyMel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:22:31am

re: #175 Wishbone

re: #175 Wishbone

re: #143 pegcity


Time to ease up on the new registrations, ive seen about 400 people join and about 50 of those post, im thinking CAIR is stock piling them for use in an onslaught.

I presume that's easy enough. If any new accounts aren't used within a certain time limit, it gets automatically deleted. Given that many are eager to get themselves an LGF registration, it does seem odd that once registered, so many of them decline to join in and contribute.

I don't post very often mainly because I want to make sure I don't say anything stupid. I do lurk a lot and want to contribute, I just like keeping my foot out of my mouth. I am also generally late to threads and by the time I catch up it's dead.

So, don't delete me bro!

248 storagemanager  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:22:33am

re: #231 Ward Cleaver
There are still socks here too.

249 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:22:53am

re: #243 Iron Fist

re: #219 Charles,

It is, um, interesting that a so-called "reporter" isnt even interested in talking to one of the principles in his story. Almost as though he has his side of the story, and that is all he cares to present.

Hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story piece of agitprop.

250 counter terrorist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:23:01am

Well the best defense is often an offense. I think you should take seriously the idea of sending out a press release every time CAIR is implicated in anything. If they are charged again as co-conspirators, if more of their leaders are outed as terrorists, etc., then get out a press release. Of course make sure to call them first and add that they had "no comment" when you tried to contact them.

251 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:23:34am

re: #249 Ward Cleaver

re: #243 Iron Fist


re: #219 Charles,

It is, um, interesting that a so-called "reporter" isnt even interested in talking to one of the principles in his story. Almost as though he has his side of the story, and that is all he cares to present.


Hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story piece of agitprop.

facts ,,, FACTS ! We don' need no stinkin facts !

252 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:23:50am

re: #239 Purpose

Why does those minarets always look similar to a man's private parts?

Because Islam is all about male dominance?

253 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:23:53am
254 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:24:25am

Jihadi regime
By Walid Phares
February 20, 2008

As Americans debate whhich presidential candidate is best to confront the jihadists or at least preempt their offensives worldwide, the latter almost seized a key African country for the forthcoming Darfur peace missions.

In one day, the so-called armed opposition of Chad reached the capital N'Djamena and almost surrounded the presidential palace. In a few hours, what would become the future Taliban of Chad have scored a strategic victory not only against that government but also against the efforts by the African and European Unions to contain the Sudanese regime and stop the genocide in Darfur.

255 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:25:04am

re: #219 Charles

re: #209 looking closely


re: #162 Charles

By the way, at the bottom of the Post-Dispatch article is an email address for the author, and he/she just got a strongly-worded statement from me.

Great.
Please keep us updated.
I'd love to see the vacant non-response you are probably going to get back from the author.

It's as bad as you think. Completely ignores all my points. I'm now considering going over his head to the editors.

Don't consider it, DO IT! This reporter and maybe his editors need to be taught a lesson in journalism.

Here's a few other outlets in Saint Louis:

KMOV - CBS affiliate
KSDK - NBC affiliate
KTVI - Fox affiliate
Belleville News-Democrat - Paper on the Illinois side of the St Louis area
Alton Telegraph - Another paper on the Illinois side of the St Louis area

Expose the Post-Dispatch's article for the shill it is to the other outlets. They might want an interview with you.

256 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:25:10am

re: #219 Charles

Please let us see! Let us see! (Channeling my 6 year old...as usual).

257 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:25:30am

re: #253 ploome hineni

re: #130 Gordon Marock

close the door

/fuck the pudding

That would one fucking 'dis custard.

258 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:25:44am

re: #254 Kenneth

Jihadi regime
By Walid Phares
February 20, 2008


As Americans debate whhich presidential candidate is best to confront the jihadists or at least preempt their offensives worldwide, the latter almost seized a key African country for the forthcoming Darfur peace missions.In one day, the so-called armed opposition of Chad reached the capital N'Djamena and almost surrounded the presidential palace. In a few hours, what would become the future Taliban of Chad have scored a strategic victory not only against that government but also against the efforts by the African and European Unions to contain the Sudanese regime and stop the genocide in Darfur.

I'll bet CAIR supports them.

259 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:25:51am

re: #252 MandyManners,

What is the quote? Their minarets are their bayonets?

260 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:26:11am

re: #226 looking closely

As a side note, one wonders if the agents in question have actually spent time reading LGF.

Well, being British, I don't really have much of a clue about what it is to live somewhere that the FBI has such a hand in goings on, or indeed what you lot feel about that above and beyond teh odd comments I read here and there on the subject.

But I'd like to think that the real FBI, not the ones I see on TV that is, would have enough of a perspective on matters to actually investigate and see that someone is trying to pull a blinder, file it under "Troublemakers taking the piss again" and go back to doing more important things.

I'd imagine, also, that the FBI would be much more likely to do some actual investigating....... Unlike the reporter of the piece above.

261 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:26:13am

re: #15 realwest

Now c'mon Charles - you're expecting them to engage in..............journalism?
Hell no, take a paid for press release and run with it. It fills up the paper, or gives them something to fill the air-time, let the facts sort themselves out.

You are so right on target with this.

I grew up in a mid-sized town that had an award-winning daily newspaper - until, that is, Gannet took over. Now there is very little local news, and the few stories that are local are filled with garbled sentences, misspellings (not typos, real misspellings), and many of the stories sound as if they were written by a first-grader. The rest of the paper is filled with - you guessed it - paid press releases and stories from USA Today.

262 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:26:24am

re: #5 lawhawk

Ah, apparently not - never mind my #2... it wouldn't fit their preconceptions. And I bet they didn't even bother to read your blog yesterday to see what was written.

Journalism 101 in 2008 - all the opinion and pressers print to fit.

I dont think they have preconceptions. You have to know the meaning of "concept" before you can have a preconception.

Idea

263 realwest  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:26:24am

re: #142 Killgore Trout For once my friend I must disagree with you. Robert Spencer at Jihad Watch has reported finding some planted comment by provacatuers (see #147). Regardless of that you are correct WE have to take responsibility for our own comments and, when we think it appropriate, report what we believe are calls to violence against specific people or place. That however doesn't preclude the possibilty that some of the registered users - many of whom ding down other posters BUT NEVER POST ANYTHING THEMSELVES, aren't plants.
And even if they aren't plants, Kilgore, Charles deleted those comments within two hours of their bing made - so CAIR clearly monitors this blog and is equipped to capture comments before even Charles can get to them.
Take responsiblity yes; hold Charles to blame for idiotic and off the wall posts by commenters, NO.

I would however suggest that we also report posters who ding down but never post on their own.
They may simply be shy, or they may be sock puppets or they may be plants - only Charles can check that.

264 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:26:36am

re: #259 Iron Fist

re: #252 MandyManners,

What is the quote? Their minarets are their bayonets?

Quote from what?

265 TalkinKamel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:26:38am

#246 MandyManners

Hey, Valentine's Day was just a few days ago! "Course I'm romantic! (And a heart of marshmallow beats beneath this tough, hairy, Kamel hump!)

Little Red Hood
Wants to find good wolf!
Woof, woof, woof!

#247 MellyMel

Mel, read the poem I just wrote hereinabove, and tell me----with a straight face---that you're afraid of saying something stupid here!

266 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:26:46am

re: #191 MandyManners
Heimlich?

(blushing) Not recently, but thank you for the offer! :^p

267 snowcrash  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:26:51am

re: #247 MellyMel
Hey love your DJ stuff! kiddin'. I do the same thing.

268 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:27:02am
269 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:27:07am
270 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:28:40am

re: #252 MandyManners

re: #239 Purpose

Why does those minarets always look similar to a man's private parts?

Because Islam is all about male dominance?

Um, I have been in lots of locker rooms and have seen many weird and shocking things, but I have yet to see anyone so pointy or with a balcony and loud speakers dangling from their wedding tackle as it were...

But, it does seem to be all about male dominance.

271 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:29:15am

re: #265 TalkinKamel

*blushing*

272 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:29:18am

re: #270 coquimbojoe

re: #252 MandyManners


re: #239 Purpose

Why does those minarets always look similar to a man's private parts?

Because Islam is all about male dominance?

Um, I have been in lots of locker rooms and have seen many weird and shocking things, but I have yet to see anyone so pointy or with a balcony and loud speakers dangling from their wedding tackle as it were...

But, it does seem to be all about male dominance.

Phalic symbols. It's all about the little head.

273 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:29:20am

Good morning everyone - and you too, Ploome!

274 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:29:43am

re: #266 MrMom

re: #191 MandyManners
Heimlich?

(blushing) Not recently, but thank you for the offer! :^p

You said you were choking!

275 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:30:16am

re: #266 MrMom

I usually need a couple of drinks first.....


(LOLOLOL)

276 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:30:18am
277 Ma Sands  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:30:32am

re: #93 Go_Fish

Good, good, good job. I'm proud of you. Thank you so much! :)

278 MellyMel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:30:32am

re: #265 TalkinKamel

#246 MandyManners

Hey, Valentine's Day was just a few days ago! "Course I'm romantic! (And a heart of marshmallow beats beneath this tough, hairy, Kamel hump!)

Little Red Hood
Wants to find good wolf!
Woof, woof, woof!

#247 MellyMel

Mel, read the poem I just wrote hereinabove, and tell me----with a straight face---that you're afraid of saying something stupid here!

LOL! Thank God I wasn't drinking anything or I would have to buy my company a new laptop!

I have been trying to step out a bit more lately, but I swear I am always so friggin late to threads! I type fast, but wow, five minutes after some are opened there are 200 comments and it takes me forever to catch up!

279 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:30:36am
280 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:30:49am

re: #270 coquimbojoe

re: #252 MandyManners

re: #239 Purpose

Why does those minarets always look similar to a man's private parts?

Because Islam is all about male dominance?

Um,
I have been in lots of locker rooms and have seen many weird and
shocking things, but I have yet to see anyone so pointy or with a
balcony and loud speakers dangling from their wedding tackle as it
were...

But, it does seem to be all about male dominance.

Just like the Washington Monument, skyscrapers, the space program, swords,... Sometimes a cigar is a cigar.

281 TalkinKamel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:30:51am

#250 counter terrorist

Actually, that's a very good suggestion.

282 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:30:53am

re: #270 coquimbojoe

re: #252 MandyManners


re: #239 Purpose

Why does those minarets always look similar to a man's private parts?

Because Islam is all about male dominance?

Um, I have been in lots of locker rooms and have seen many weird and shocking things, but I have yet to see anyone so pointy or with a balcony and loud speakers dangling from their wedding tackle as it were...
But, it does seem to be all about male dominance.

Ya' had to get all specific on me, didn't you!

283 Pope Insouciance IV  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:30:55am
“But you never know who’s just talking and who’s going to carry out some these threats, so you have to check them out.”

Strangely enough, that's also my policy with regard to Islamic terrorists. I guess Mr. Hooper won't mind.

284 maddogg  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:31:11am

I just sent polite (marginally) but irate e-mails to both the paper and Fox news. Please note the article was rated "terrible" by viewers.

285 exlnghrn  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:31:30am

Islamic penis envy? Maybe that explains female gential mutilation too? Or is that just a "cultural phenomenon" that we should ignore?

re: #272 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

286 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:31:49am

re: #226 looking closely

re: #206 Carl in Jerusalem

I presume that FBI agents are not real personable when it comes to this stuff.


Its "affectionately" known as the Federal Bureau of Intimidation for a reason. Still, they don't have to be abusive or unprofessional, even if they aren't personally happy to be assigned to this nonsense.

As a side note, one wonders if the agents in question have actually spent time reading LGF.

Or are they friends with individual CAIR members like the article writer.

287 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:31:56am

re: #280 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sometimes a cigar is a cigar.

Please, we've been there, done that, and I don't want the Clinton years back again.

288 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:31:59am

re: #277 Ma Sands

re: #93 Go_Fish

Good, good, good job. I'm proud of you. Thank you so much! :)

Ditto.

289 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:32:07am

re: #272 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Phalic symbols. It's all about the little head.

I'm gonna' be discrete here and not get into speculating about Mo and his "wedding tackle."

290 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:32:39am

re: #263 realwest

What do lurking dingers have to do with this?! If they don't post, how can they be making comments that get cair's attention? And most of the deleted comments were not dinged at all, or were even dinged up. The dings are not the problem here- violent comments are.

291 AMER1CAN  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:32:54am

re: #242 Ward Cleaver

Sometimes words can be construed to mean something that you had no intention of meaning. I think if the FBI were to sit down and interview the majority of those posters that none of them advocate violence against innocent people or property. I know I certainly don't advocate such actions, yet my comment was cherry picked. However, it's easy seeing from my comment that it could be construed to mean something else. This is entirely my fault for not double checking what I wrote and to figure out if my words could be taken out of context or if people would get a different meaning from it then what I had in my mind when writing the comment originally.

292 MellyMel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:33:05am

re: #267 snowcrash

re: #247 MellyMel
Hey love your DJ stuff! kiddin'. I do the same thing.

There are just a lot of people on this site WAY more edumacated than me on a bunch of subjects. I admit it, I get intimidated sometimes but that's why I lurk a lot -- I'm learning from all the other great Lizards!

293 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:33:12am

re: #285 exlnghrn

Islamic penis envy? Maybe that explains female gential mutilation too? Or is that just a "cultural phenomenon" that we should ignore?

re: #272 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


My theory is that all muslim males are insecure about their johnsons and/or are horndogs. Since they are men, and therefore "superior" it is naturally the woman's fault that they are horndogs and therefore the women must be covered from head to foot and if she is raped, it's her fault.

294 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:33:14am

re: #239 Purpose

Why does those minarets always look similar to a man's private parts?

That's your classic Phallic Symbolism for you that mate.

And when that tower starts blaring at five in the morning, all you're going to hear across the neighbourhood is "I'm trying to sleep, you Pr*ck!"

So it all ties in nicely.

Of course it couldn't represent anything female......

"It's a man's world..........but it ain't nothing.....if it looks...... Like a Woman"

Sorry James

295 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:33:15am

re: #287 Honorary Yooper

re: #280 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sometimes a cigar is a cigar.

Please, we've been there, done that, and I don't want the Clinton years back again.

I should have seen that coming.
/

296 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:33:19am

re: #264 MandyManners,

Some Mohammedan in Turkey. Imam Cat Puke or some such. I can never keep up with their Grand Viser al Al bin Fartin names. They all have more aliases that 100 year old con men anyway. I hoped you remembered the quote.

297 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:33:22am

re: #280 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #270 coquimbojoe


re: #252 MandyManners

re: #239 Purpose

Why does those minarets always look similar to a man's private parts?

Because Islam is all about male dominance?

Um,
I have been in lots of locker rooms and have seen many weird and
shocking things, but I have yet to see anyone so pointy or with a
balcony and loud speakers dangling from their wedding tackle as it
were...

But, it does seem to be all about male dominance.


Just like the Washington Monument, skyscrapers, the space program, swords,... Sometimes a cigar is a cigar.

Got me there. Dagnabit.

298 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:33:53am

re: #258 Ward Cleaver

The Nation of Islam denies any genocide is taking palce in Darfur and supports the Sudanese govt.

As for CAIR, it is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Sudanese gov't is pro-MB, so it's a given CAIR supports the genocide in Darfur. I searched CAIR's website and found nothing condemning the Darfur genocide or even discussing it. Must be just fine.

299 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:34:07am

re: #281 TalkinKamel

#250 counter terrorist

Actually, that's a very good suggestion.

It sure is.

300 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:34:27am

re: #219 Charles

re: #209 looking closely

re: #162 Charles

By the way, at the bottom of the Post-Dispatch article is an email address for the author, and he/she just got a strongly-worded statement from me.


Great.
Please keep us updated.
I'd love to see the vacant non-response you are probably going to get back from the author.

It's as bad as you think. Completely ignores all my points. I'm now considering going over his head to the editors.


Naturally.

Of course you have to work your way up the chain of command, but bluntly, I don't think you'll get much satisfaction with the editors either. You're unlikely to see a correction, retraction, or other meaningful step taken. At best you *might* get a vague (and unenforceable) promise about attempts to do better with contacting you in the future, though even there I doubt it.

If you want more, you'd probably have to hit a publisher, and even then, you're not going to have clout unless you are an advertiser or have significant influence over one.

Remember that old adage about journalists, that trying to get satisfaction out of one is like kicking a skunk. . .you only end up smelling worse?

301 Charles  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:34:40am

Wow. I'm thinking of publishing my exchanges with Townsend on this. The guy is an archetype of the arrogant media jerk.

302 TalkinKamel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:35:00am

#278 MellyMel

Hey, I often show up late to threads too! Usually, when it's over 100 comments or so, I often don't join in, just because there's so much to get through, and I might just be repeating something somebody else said.

Mobies spume,
Thar she blows!
Sound of ban-stick, whacking.

303 Kulhwch  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:35:14am

Quoth the Lizard King:

My question to both of these newspapers: why the hell don’t you contact me before running this crap? It’s not hard to find Little Green Footballs on the web, and there’s a handy contact form that sends me an email right there on every page.

If either of you had bothered to do your jobs, you would have heard that:

Answered your own question there, Charles.  They weren't doing their jobs at all ...

Ah, so, per the Cair-sucking media I am again caught hanging with hoodlum friends?  Well, no better company than some unruly and uppity patriots like the rest of you.  Much honored to be a Lizard & a member of the Lizard Army.  What has Ms. Hooper to say about her faith's hate speech, while we're on the subject?  What's that, cricket song I hear?

Besides which ...

}:)     [ ... Grandpa used to hang with Pretty Boy Floyd back in OK, too.]

304 Promethea  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:35:29am

re: #19 hayseed

well the whole damned Koran is a threat to non- Muslims for cryin out loud

To any FBI agents reading this:

Go read the Koran--all of it--and see what Muslims are advocating for the infidel U.S. population. Also check out the meanings of the words "taqqiyah" and "dawa."

305 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:35:46am

re: #283 Pope Insouciance IV,

Yes, you can never tell if they are talking about metaphorical beheadding, or about litteral beheadding. And Mohammedans are always talking about beheadding.

306 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:36:07am

re: #293 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #285 exlnghrn


Islamic penis envy? Maybe that explains female gential mutilation too? Or is that just a "cultural phenomenon" that we should ignore?

re: #272 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


My theory is that all muslim males are insecure about their johnsons and/or are horndogs. Since they are men, and therefore "superior" it is naturally the woman's fault that they are horndogs and therefore the women must be covered from head to foot and if she is raped, it's her fault.

Wasn't there a thread here the other day about a woman being persecuted for witchcraft 'cause some Muslim couldn't get it up?

307 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:36:13am

re: #297 MandyManners

re: #280 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #270 coquimbojoe


re: #252 MandyManners


re: #239 Purpose

Why does those minarets always look similar to a man's private parts?


Because Islam is all about male dominance?


Um,
I have been in lots of locker rooms and have seen many weird and
shocking things, but I have yet to see anyone so pointy or with a
balcony and loud speakers dangling from their wedding tackle as it
were...But, it does seem to be all about male dominance.


Just like the Washington Monument, skyscrapers, the space program, swords,... Sometimes a cigar is a cigar.

Got me there. Dagnabit.

Yes, indeed, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Just ask Monica Lewinsky.

308 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:36:16am

re: #301 Charles

Wow. I'm thinking of publishing my exchanges with Townsend on this. The guy is an archetype of the arrogant media jerk.


Go for it!

309 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:36:29am

re: #250 counter terrorist

Well the best defense is often an offense. I think you should take seriously the idea of sending out a press release every time CAIR is implicated in anything. If they are charged again as co-conspirators, if more of their leaders are outed as terrorists, etc., then get out a press release. Of course make sure to call them first and add that they had "no comment" when you tried to contact them.


Its basically already done here, though in blog-post form, not in press release form.

There is a reason why CAIR is picking on LGF, and it has very little to do with a few vaguely threatening posts.

310 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:36:42am

re: #301 Charles

This calls for a new thread. Fresh and steamy, right off of the net.

311 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:37:05am

re: #296 Iron Fist

re: #264 MandyManners,

Some Mohammedan in Turkey. Imam Cat Puke or some such. I can never keep up with their Grand Viser al Al bin Fartin names. They all have more aliases that 100 year old con men anyway. I hoped you remembered the quote.

My brain pushes things out at a regular rate. Sorry.

312 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:37:10am

re: #306 MandyManners

re: #293 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #285 exlnghrn

Islamic penis envy? Maybe that explains female gential mutilation too? Or is that just a "cultural phenomenon" that we should ignore?
re: #272 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

My theory is that all muslim males are insecure about their johnsons and/or are horndogs. Since they are men, and therefore "superior" it is naturally the woman's fault that they are horndogs and therefore the women must be covered from head to foot and if she is raped, it's her fault.

Wasn't there a thread here the other day about a woman being persecuted for witchcraft 'cause some Muslim couldn't get it up?


Yeppers.

Men can do no wrong in that culture.

313 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:37:26am

re: #301 Charles,

Publish or perish!

(That is not a threat, it is a joke :-)

314 Bobibutu  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:37:29am

re: #301 Charles

Wow. I'm thinking of publishing my exchanges with Townsend on this. The guy is an archetype of the arrogant media jerk.

Ahhhh - more sunlight. YES!

315 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:37:35am

re: #293 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

horndog


Hehehe...... Sorry mate, but as many American expressions have become a part of everyday British language, that one is not going anywhere fast.

We just mentally can't get to grips with it.

I think we'll just stick to calling eachother 'Dirty bar stewards'

316 wahabicorridor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:37:41am

re: #301 Charles

Wow. I'm thinking of publishing my exchanges with Townsend on this. The guy is an archetype of the arrogant media jerk.


Go for it Charles!

317 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:37:42am

re: #298 Kenneth

re: #258 Ward Cleaver

The Nation of Islam denies any genocide is taking palce in Darfur and supports the Sudanese govt.

As for CAIR, it is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Sudanese gov't is pro-MB, so it's a given CAIR supports the genocide in Darfur. I searched CAIR's website and found nothing condemning the Darfur genocide or even discussing it. Must be just fine.

Declaration against genocide - can be signed if you wish:
[Link: terrorismawareness.org...]

318 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:37:57am

re: #269 buzzsawmonkey

Followup to my #235:

St. Louis is a city that has been in decline for a long time. Many empty or half-empty neighborhoods, many in which the buildings have been torn down and the bricks sold elsewhere for purposes of renovation.

If construction of this minaret has been covered in the past as "Mosque brings revitalization to depressed neighborhood," the prospect of having to examine such things as its height, zoning compliance, noise pollution, etc.--all of which are "negative," that too could be a strong motivation for the newspaper to not wish to investigate either the construction itself, or the mosque, too closely.

Here's a site I hit on awhile back, since I'm a historic buildings fan:

Built St. Louis

"Brick rustling"
, or stealing (illegally harvesting) bricks from old houses and historic buildings is a big problemthing in St. Louis. Some rustlers have met with poetic justice, when a building collapsed on them. They typically start around the back of a building, so they're out of view from the street.

319 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:38:04am

re: #301 Charles

Wow. I'm thinking of publishing my exchanges with Townsend on this. The guy is an archetype of the arrogant media jerk.

Please, do!

320 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:38:10am

re: #295 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #287 Honorary Yooper


re: #280 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sometimes a cigar is a cigar.

Please, we've been there, done that, and I don't want the Clinton years back again.

I should have seen that coming.
/

Monica said the same thing

321 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:38:17am

re: #297 MandyManners

I once got into an arguement with a loon at a party over this "phallic symbol" thing. He (that's right, he) insisted that the things I named, Washington Monument, skyscrapers, etc. were symbols of male dominance, like all symbols of power. I responded by asking him to explain the Roman victory arches (later copied by Napoleon) which look like something else entirely. This same guy nearly cried when I argued that pandas aren't fit for survival.

322 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:38:23am

cair, along with their 'press release', probably includes a perk to the reporters.

323 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:38:29am

re: #301 Charles

Do it!

324 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:38:30am

re: #302 TalkinKamel

#278 MellyMel

Hey, I often show up late to threads too! Usually, when it's over 100 comments or so, I often don't join in, just because there's so much to get through, and I might just be repeating something somebody else said.

Mobies spume,
Thar she blows!
Sound of ban-stick, whacking.

Awesome!

325 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:38:40am

re: #301 Charles

Oh, please do!

326 MellyMel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:38:44am

re: #302 TalkinKamel

Exactly. I have done that before and felt like an idjiot! At the risk of sounding like a complete suck-up, the truth is that the people on this site are up on their knowledge. So, by the time I think of it, 10 people have already said it.

BTW, why no avatar? I love seeing what people choose to represent themselves!

327 counter terrorist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:38:48am

I don't think you can win a pissing contest with these journalists. They hold the upper hand and like to show their power in what gets published (it's a MSM thing). However, (as I said before) you'll get much better mileage down the road (when this is yesterday's news, if at all) when you start creating and placing strategic new releases about CAIR. Gotta beat them at their own game.

328 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:39:10am

re: #301 Charles

Wow. I'm thinking of publishing my exchanges with Townsend on this. The guy is an archetype of the arrogant media jerk.

Do it, he should be exposed for what he is. New post, Charles.

329 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:39:40am

re: #307 coquimbojoe

Yes, indeed, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Just ask Monica Lewinsky.

And, her little, blue dress!

330 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:39:46am

re: #320 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #295 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #287 Honorary Yooper


re: #280 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


Sometimes a cigar is a cigar.


Please, we've been there, done that, and I don't want the Clinton years back again.


I should have seen that coming.
/

Monica said the same thing

LOL! I should have seen,... ah, you know.

331 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:39:47am

Can Charles sue for defamation? The goddamn media is populated by lazy, ignorant, shiftless fifth columnist Noam Chumpsky wanna bes'
Damn their brainless heads.

332 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:39:59am

For Mandy, a whole gallery of firm erect minarets.

333 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:40:16am

re: #291 AMER1CAN

re: #242 Ward Cleaver

Sometimes words can be construed to mean something that you had no intention of meaning. I think if the FBI were to sit down and interview the majority of those posters that none of them advocate violence against innocent people or property. I know I certainly don't advocate such actions, yet my comment was cherry picked. However, it's easy seeing from my comment that it could be construed to mean something else. This is entirely my fault for not double checking what I wrote and to figure out if my words could be taken out of context or if people would get a different meaning from it then what I had in my mind when writing the comment originally.

I understand. I saw where one of yours was deleted.

334 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:40:36am

re: #315 Wishbone

re: #293 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


horndog

Hehehe...... Sorry mate, but as many American expressions have become a part of everyday British language, that one is not going anywhere fast.

We just mentally can't get to grips with it.

I think we'll just stick to calling eachother 'Dirty bar stewards'

It's sort of a Southern expression. Dirty Bar Stewards is rather funny!

335 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:40:58am

re: #312 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Men can do no wrong in that culture.

And, if they do, it's always some woman's fault!

336 TalkinKamel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:41:14am

#301 Charles

Yes, please do publish them! I'm sure we'd all like to see them! (If you do, I'll stop writing bad Haiku for a little while.)

Also, I think the blogsphere should be alerted about this.

337 trailortrash  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:41:15am

re: #310 BulgarWheat

re: #301 Charles

This calls for a new thread. Fresh and steamy, right off of the net.


agreed

338 TimeQuake  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:41:18am

re: #175 Wishbone

They can't "vote" unless they're registered. They get to +/- comments and news links. Is that not so?

339 Catttt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:41:40am

I used to work at the FBI, and the agents were very professional and nice. They generally do a good job of being neutral in these things - you know they are internally rolling their eyes, but on the outside they're Sgt. Friday.

340 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:41:41am

re: #264 MandyManners

re: #259 Iron Fist

re: #252 MandyManners,

What is the quote? Their minarets are their bayonets?

Quote from what?

Someone here posted that line, and others, on today's DDT (IIRC).

341 wahabicorridor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:41:43am

re: #327 counter terrorist

I don't think you can win a pissing contest with these journalists.

Wanna bet?

Two words.

Dan

Rather

342 maddogg  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:41:46am

re: #327 counter terrorist

I don't think you can win a pissing contest with these journalists. They hold the upper hand and like to show their power in what gets published (it's a MSM thing). However, (as I said before) you'll get much better mileage down the road (when this is yesterday's news, if at all) when you start creating and placing strategic new releases about CAIR. Gotta beat them at their own game.

I believe you are 100% wrong. These tools of terrorists must be dragged out into the daylight and through their own filth for all the world to see. Might make them slightly more responsible.

343 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:07am

re: #321 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #297 MandyManners

I once got into an arguement with a loon at a party over this "phallic symbol" thing. He (that's right, he) insisted that the things I named, Washington Monument, skyscrapers, etc. were symbols of male dominance, like all symbols of power. I responded by asking him to explain the Roman victory arches (later copied by Napoleon) which look like something else entirely. This same guy nearly cried when I argued that pandas aren't fit for survival.

You should've told him that the Capitol dome resembles a giant breast.

344 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:12am

re: #301 Charles

Wow. I'm thinking of publishing my exchanges with Townsend on this. The guy is an archetype of the arrogant media jerk.


Of course he is.

That explains why he ran the "story" the way he did, and explains how I knew he would both respond to your email and give you a ton of hot air. Its all part of the same package. He's god, and you're a worm, get it?

I know I asked for it (and I'd still like to see it), but before you go posting this blowhard's BS, please see that last bit about kicking the skunk.

345 MellyMel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:15am

re: #302 TalkinKamel

#278 MellyMel

Hey, I often show up late to threads too! Usually, when it's over 100 comments or so, I often don't join in, just because there's so much to get through, and I might just be repeating something somebody else said.

Mobies spume,
Thar she blows!
Sound of ban-stick, whacking.

Mandy's right -- that is awesome. Just had to read it twice to get it (see, I'm slow I just found out today what a Moby is).

346 godfrey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:15am

Crisy Li says LGF is a "politically conservative" site. Because Charles feels like, I dunno, the West is worth conserving? Because the vast majority of us think that running headlong toward dhimmitude and a new internationalist caliphate isn't "progressive"?

If the criteria are that wide, the term is meaningless.

347 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:20am

re: #321 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey,

Extinction is evolution's way of telling you to speed up!

(That would have made him cry :-)

348 musicman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:20am

re: #301 Charles

Wow. I'm thinking of publishing my exchanges with Townsend on this. The guy is an archetype of the arrogant media jerk.

Please do, expose these MSM creeps!

349 Gordon Marock  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:22am

re: #257 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #253 ploome hineni


re: #130 Gordon Marock

close the door

/fuck the pudding


That would one fucking 'dis custard.


That would be a great name for a British heavy metal band 'Fuck the Pudding'

350 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:30am

Now that cair has publicly proclaimed that this minaret is 'symbolic' and will NOT be used to call to prayer, if they do...well.

And they claim there are no loudspeakers, didn't the pictures show loudspeakers?

351 David Simon  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:31am

re: #301 Charles

Wow. I'm thinking of publishing my exchanges with Townsend on this. The guy is an archetype of the arrogant media jerk.

If nothing else, we can have some fun making crap out of the guy.

/don't give me credit for being more mature than I really am.

352 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:34am

re: #335 MandyManners

re: #312 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


Men can do no wrong in that culture.

And, if they do, it's always some woman's fault!


Bingo!

353 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:35am

re: #321 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

This same guy nearly cried when I argued that pandas aren't fit for survival.

That was just a particularly vicious coup de grace and you enjoyed every second of it, didn't you?

Well......... I thought it was funny........

354 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:39am

re: #274 MandyManners
Just engaging in a bit of risque inuendo. What with all the flirting going on around here.

355 counter terrorist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:44am

re #309 Looking Closely
re: #250 counter terrorist

Well the best defense is often an offense. I think you should take seriously the idea of sending out a press release every time CAIR is implicated in anything. If they are charged again as co-conspirators, if more of their leaders are outed as terrorists, etc., then get out a press release. Of course make sure to call them first and add that they had "no comment" when you tried to contact them.


Its basically already done here, though in blog-post form, not in press release form.

There is a reason why CAIR is picking on LGF, and it has very little to do with a few vaguely threatening posts.
------------------------------------
Yes, but this is Charle's medium. You have to attack in the MSM - where there is a different audience. Of course there's a reason they are attacking here. That should not stop you from going after them.

356 victor_yugo  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:47am

3,376 online and rising!

Sound general quarters!

357 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:50am

re: #293 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I disagree with the use of "all" as a modifier to "Muslim males". I've worked with a few Muslims. They weren't. (I'm a male who despises the type you're talking about. I would have picked up on it.)

That said, I WOULD agree with "all Islamist males", where Islamist is taken to mean Wahabbist/Qutbist/Salafist.

358 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:42:53am

re: #314 Bobibutu

re: #301 Charles

Wow. I'm thinking of publishing my exchanges with Townsend on this. The guy is an archetype of the arrogant media jerk.

Ahhhh - more sunlight. YES!

You rang?
/

359 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:43:01am

re: #340 Ward Cleaver


"The minarets are our swords,
and the domes of the mosques are our helmets"

...comes from a Turkish song

360 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:43:14am

re: #343 MandyManners

re: #321 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #297 MandyManners

I
once got into an arguement with a loon at a party over this "phallic
symbol" thing. He (that's right, he) insisted that the things I named,
Washington Monument, skyscrapers, etc. were symbols of male dominance,
like all symbols of power. I responded by asking him to explain the
Roman victory arches (later copied by Napoleon) which look like
something else entirely. This same guy nearly cried when I argued that
pandas aren't fit for survival.

You should've told him that the Capitol dome resembles a giant breast.

Seeing how many boobs call the Capitol home, it's very fitting!

361 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:43:19am

re: #332 Kenneth

For Mandy, a whole gallery of firm erect minarets.

Unlike a tech thread, I'm not strangely aroused.

362 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:43:26am

re: #343 MandyManners

re: #321 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


re: #297 MandyManners

I once got into an arguement with a loon at a party over this "phallic symbol" thing. He (that's right, he) insisted that the things I named, Washington Monument, skyscrapers, etc. were symbols of male dominance, like all symbols of power. I responded by asking him to explain the Roman victory arches (later copied by Napoleon) which look like something else entirely. This same guy nearly cried when I argued that pandas aren't fit for survival.


You should've told him that the Capitol dome resembles a giant breast.


Which is actually appropriate judging from how many suck at the government teat.

363 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:43:51am
364 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:43:55am

re: #301 Charles

Wow. I'm thinking of publishing my exchanges with Townsend on this. The guy is an archetype of the arrogant media jerk.

*salivating in anticipation*

365 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:44:14am

Outta' smokes. BRB.

366 Teacake!  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:44:19am

All this hoopla over a couple of immature comments that were deleted. LGF is one powerful medium! Mosque threatened! HUH? How dramatic! Sounds so maniacal! What happened? A couple of dumb comments made out of thousands. Sort of like the Rush situation involving congress getting involved about phony soldier.

367 Jeff MacMillan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:44:36am

I am not a lawyer and this would cost a lot of money to pursue...
But this looks like an open and shut libel case against CAIR. The only issue with proving "libel" is that judges require there to be proveable damages to your reputation (in order to be able to assign a value).

368 ConsLawStudent  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:44:49am

I lie in St. Louis, and I can attest that the St. Louis Post-Dispatch is a commie rag. My hubby reads it, so every now and then I pick it up just to see what lies/spin they are trying to sell that day.

369 Bobibutu  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:44:49am

re: #358 Sunlight

:-)

370 TalkinKamel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:44:52am

#326 MellyMel

What can I say? I'm lazy. Also technologically challenged. But I'm looking for a good avatar, one that expresses the true, inner Kamel.

Hunting high, hunting low
Kamel avatar
Har-har!

New thread, new thread
Fresh and steamy
Would be dreamy!

371 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:45:02am

re: #349 Gordon Marock

re: #257 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


re: #253 ploome hineni

re: #130 Gordon Marock
close the door

/fuck the pudding


That would one fucking 'dis custard.

That would be a great name for a British heavy metal band 'Fuck the Pudding'


You can't have your pudding if you don't eat your meat!

372 victor_yugo  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:45:05am

re: #367 Jeff MacMillan

I am not a lawyer and this would cost a lot of money to pursue...
But this looks like an open and shut libel case against CAIR. The only issue with proving "libel" is that judges require there to be proveable damages to your reputation (in order to be able to assign a value).

And assuming you had a good reputation to damage.

373 ConsLawStudent  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:45:36am

ha! typo, I don't lie in ST...i LIVE in ST.

374 JWM  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:45:37am

re: #301 Charles

Please!

JWM

375 realwest  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:46:16am

re: #243 Iron Fist Please see #93 from Go_Fish where he actually corresponded with the "reporter" n question.
In particular note the following:

"Thanks, Robert. I know what CAIR is. I cover religion, I know all the St. Louis-area CAIR members, and I do trust them as sources. [emphasis added realwest].

Charles, given the foregoing, I didn't expect your e-mail to elicit a response. But I wonder if a letter from your attorney, with the aforementioned quote, might not provoke a response - their "reporter" knows and trusts all the CAIR members in St. Louis, so why should he go about investigating CAIR's paid for Press Release?

376 TalkinKamel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:46:30am

And thanks to trailortrash for inspiring that last Haiku.

(Ducks and runs as rotten tomatoes rain all around.)

377 Teacake!  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:46:31am

Charles did have a glorious hand in bringing down Dan Rather so this guy should be a piece of cake.

378 counter terrorist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:46:32am

#341 wahabicorridor

re: #327 counter terrorist

I don't think you can win a pissing contest with these journalists.

Wanna bet?

Two words.

Dan

Rather

Good point.

379 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:46:39am

By Turkish poet Ziya Gökalp(1876-1924), from a poem called "Soldier's Prayer."

Holding my rifle in my hand, keeping my faith in my heart I wish two things: The faith and the homeland My home is the army, my sovereign is the Sultan Strengthen my Sultan, Almighty Give him long life, Almighty Our journey is our victory, the end is martrydom..

The minarets are our bayonets; the domes are our helmets Mosques are our barracks, the believers are soldiers This holy army guards my religion Almighty Our journey is our destiny, the end is martyrdom..

380 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:47:04am

re: #365 MandyManners

Outta' smokes. BRB.

Smokes?!? You gotta quit those.

381 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:47:12am

re: #370 TalkinKamel

Here's a good camel pic you could use.

382 littleO  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:47:22am

Being in a world where lies, deceit, mis-perception, religious and secular persecution, libel and slander and censorship flies from every direction, I salute you Charles for trying to represent truth and expose dishonor and corruption on the 'pages' of your creation. Keep up the good work. Dominus Vobiscum!

383 godfrey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:47:40am

I wonder what Townsend's excuses are. Let's review some options:

"But CAIR submitted it in just the right font!"

"Just doing my part for the bally old jihad, I suppose."

"Oh, Dougie and I go wayyy back. I remember when he first converted. He returned all my Judas Priest albums!"

"The internet? What's that?"

etc.

384 JWM  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:47:43am

re: #334 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #315 Wishbone


re: #293 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

horndog

Hehehe...... Sorry mate, but as many American expressions have become a part of everyday British language, that one is not going anywhere fast.
We just mentally can't get to grips with it.

I think we'll just stick to calling eachother 'Dirty bar stewards'


It's sort of a Southern expression. Dirty Bar Stewards is rather funny!

Rhymes with Corndog. A phallic snack if ever there was one.

JWM

385 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:47:51am

re: #361 MandyManners

You miss the point. We're talking islam, so how you feel is not important.

386 Jeff MacMillan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:47:54am

#372 Victor Yugo

"re: #367 Jeff MacMillan

I am not a lawyer and this would cost a lot of money to pursue...
But this looks like an open and shut libel case against CAIR. The only issue with proving "libel" is that judges require there to be proveable damages to your reputation (in order to be able to assign a value).

"And assuming you had a good reputation to damage."

Charles Johnson has a great reputation. Unless you are referring to Charles Johnson's reputation with Hamas? Hezzbollah? Al Queda?

387 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:47:56am

re: #371 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #349 Gordon Marock

re: #257 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


re: #253 ploome hineni


re: #130 Gordon Marock
close the door/fuck the pudding


That would one fucking 'dis custard.


That would be a great name for a British heavy metal band 'Fuck the Pudding'


You can't have your pudding if you don't eat your meat!

"Fuck The Napkin" was the working title for This Is Spinal Tap.

388 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:48:18am

re: #378 counter terrorist

#341 wahabicorridor

re: #327 counter terrorist

I don't think you can win a pissing contest with these journalists.

Wanna bet?

Two words.

Dan

Rather

Good point.


Although ,, there is something to be said about the old journalistic saying ,,,

never get into a war of words with people that buy ink by the 55 gallon drum !

389 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:48:19am

re: #379 Kenneth

By Turkish poet Ziya G%uFFFDkalp(1876-1924), from a poem called "Soldier's Prayer."


Holding my rifle in my hand, keeping my faith in my heart I wish two things: The faith and the homeland My home is the army, my sovereign is the Sultan Strengthen my Sultan, Almighty Give him long life, Almighty Our journey is our victory, the end is martrydom..The minarets are our bayonets; the domes are our helmets Mosques are our barracks, the believers are soldiers This holy army guards my religion Almighty Our journey is our destiny, the end is martyrdom..

That's what we're looking for. It was referenced in this comment on the prayer tower thread yesterday.

390 chubby vegan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:48:27am

I once quoted Ann Coulter, deleted within minutes (you may have seen it on a tshirt). Thought it was rather innocuous, in retrospect, Charles was right. Not because it was Ms Coulter, but it was because it was pretty bad.

As I type I need to remember that the enemies of freedom are just waiting to take something out of context.

391 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:48:50am

re: #387 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #371 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #349 Gordon Marock

re: #257 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #253 ploome hineni

re: #130 Gordon Marock
close the door/fuck the pudding

That would one fucking 'dis custard.

That would be a great name for a British heavy metal band 'Fuck the Pudding'

You can't have your pudding if you don't eat your meat!

"Fuck The Napkin" was the working title for This Is Spinal Tap.

Didn't see Spinal Tap. Sorry. Don't pelt me with rotten fruit and veg or anything!

392 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:49:01am

re: #334 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

'Dirty Bar Stewards' is me making a supreme effort to keep it clean this early in the day. Although from some of the newer posts, it seems I needn't have bothered :-)


re: #338 TimeQuake

It was only speculation on some manner of account control mate. I would presume that voting on comments would also count toward 'activity'

As I said, was just speculating. Given the amount of tinkering he does, if Charles felt he needed such a system in place, I'm reasonably sure we'd have it by now.

393 grumpy old codger  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:49:12am

re: #106 Gordon Marock
Gordon, tsk, tsk! Have you forgotten only moslems can be victims of hate crimes and could never be be accused of doing them. Remember, it's the rop.
/

394 godfrey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:49:30am

re: #391 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Run, don't walk, to the nearest video store.

395 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:49:31am

re: #278 MellyMel

I have been trying to step out a bit more lately, but I swear I am always so friggin late to threads! I type fast, but wow, five minutes after some are opened there are 200 comments and it takes me forever to catch up!


I refer to that as "realwest-ing". After one of Charles' upgrades, the thread speed seem to increase greatly. One morning real noted how he was way behind and couldn't catch up. I find myself in the same boat pretty often. Instead of "I've fallen and I can't get up," it's "I'm behind and can't catch up!"

396 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:49:52am

re: #373 ConsLawStudent

Once you get your law degree you can "lie" there on a daily basis, and get paid for it too!

heh!

397 Gordon Marock  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:50:25am

re: #367 Jeff MacMillan

I am not a lawyer and this would cost a lot of money to pursue...
But this looks like an open and shut libel case against CAIR. The only issue with proving "libel" is that judges require there to be proveable damages to your reputation (in order to be able to assign a value).

Most jurisdictions provide that for certain libelous statements, proving the statement establishes damages per se.

398 Jeff MacMillan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:50:53am

#390 Chubby vegan

Ann Coulter is a shock jock and in some respects Charles Johnson is as well (but in a different way in that Charles shocks people with the truth about Terrorism).... Ann Coulter and Charles both get intentionally misunderstood by political enemies.

CJ erasing an Ann Coulter quote is definitely the right thing to do as you have to choose your battles with those who would smear LGF for leaving the comment up.

399 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:51:03am

re: #391 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #387 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


re: #371 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #349 Gordon Marock

re: #257 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #253 ploome hineni

re: #130 Gordon Marock
close the door/fuck the pudding

That would one fucking 'dis custard.

That would be a great name for a British heavy metal band 'Fuck the Pudding'

You can't have your pudding if you don't eat your meat!

"Fuck The Napkin" was the working title for This Is Spinal Tap.

Didn't see Spinal Tap. Sorry. Don't pelt me with rotten fruit and veg or anything!

Never seen it? GET A ROPE!

Why dont you just make 10 louder?

400 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:51:11am

re: #391 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #387 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #371 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #349 Gordon Marock


re: #257 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #253 ploome hineni

re: #130 Gordon Marock
close the door/fuck the pudding


That would one fucking 'dis custard.


That would be a great name for a British heavy metal band 'Fuck the Pudding'


You can't have your pudding if you don't eat your meat!


"Fuck The Napkin" was the working title for This Is Spinal Tap.

Didn't see Spinal Tap. Sorry. Don't pelt me with rotten fruit and veg or anything!

You have to see it! One of the funniest movies of all time!

401 victor_yugo  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:51:14am

re: #393 grumpy old codger

re: #106 Gordon Marock
Gordon, tsk, tsk! Have you forgotten only moslems can be victims of hate crimes and could never be be accused of doing them. Remember, it's the rop.
/

ROPMA

402 realwest  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:51:15am

re: #290 Sharmuta Simply because a) lurking "dingers" could be plants to ding down anything remotely displeasing to CAIR and b) why do they lurk and bother to rate, but not post themselves? You obviously don't find it unusal for registered LGF'ers to do NOTHING but ding down other comments, but I do.

403 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:51:15am

I sent an email to the first crappy paper.
The second one talks about "a Christian Identity movement".
What the hell is that? What does this has to do with us? (At least they don't mention LGF by name)
It's the old CDS Christian Derrangement Syndrom.
Those mental retards have just invented a new movement out of thin air to fill their paranoid stupid Welt-an-Schauung.
How debasing of them to have such a lack of integrity.
/Spit.

OTOH commenters have to be more careful not to give munnition to the likes of those tools of the enemies of freedom.
I don't care if you don't like to refrain yourselves. You are not on our side if you give the sold-out bustards weapons to slander us with crap like "a Christian Identity Movement".
Refrain yourselves from angry comments that can be missused against LGF.

404 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:51:25am

re: #393 grumpy old codger

re: #106 Gordon Marock
Gordon, tsk, tsk! Have you forgotten only moslems, gays, blacks, latinos, environmentalists, urban outdoorsmen (homeless) can be victims of hate crimes and could never be be accused of doing them. Remember, it's the rop.
/

edited

405 wahabicorridor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:51:45am

re: #388 sattv4u2

never get into a war of words with people that buy ink by the 55 gallon drum !

feh. The innernut has so depleted their customer base, they're buying that stuff by the pint.

They should do the worrying.

406 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:52:13am

re: #399 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But these go up to 11.

407 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:52:46am

re: #359 Kenneth

re: #340 Ward Cleaver


"The minarets are our swords,
and the domes of the mosques are our helmets"

...comes from a Turkish song

We've always had a problem when the kiddies get to sing 'All things bright and beautiful'

It starts right about the time they sing the line 'The Purple Headed Mountain......'

408 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:52:50am

re: #389 Ward Cleaver

The Turkish Islamist Recep Erdogan, now President of Turkey, caused a kerfuffle recently when he recited part of the poem in a speech. What really riled the Kemalists was the fact he dropped the lines mentioning the army.

409 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:53:02am

re: #405 wahabicorridor

Never get into a battle of wits with the witless.

410 storagemanager  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:53:13am

re: #402 realwest

re: #290 Sharmuta Simply because a) lurking "dingers" could be plants to ding down anything remotely displeasing to CAIR and b) why do they lurk and bother to rate, but not post themselves? You obviously don't find it unusal for registered LGF'ers to do NOTHING but ding down other comments, but I do.

I think some of them are socks.

411 cszwed  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:53:25am

I'm gonna get me a BLT

412 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:53:29am

re: #355 counter terrorist
There is a reason why CAIR is picking on LGF, and it has very little to do with a few vaguely threatening posts.
------------------------------------
Yes, but this is Charle's medium. You have to attack in the MSM - where there is a different audience. Of course there's a reason they are attacking here. That should not stop you from going after them.


Well, maybe he *should* but Charles isn't "big media", this a blog.

My impression is that Charles doesn't have the time or wallet to go after CAIR with paid press releases. Charles isn't bankrolled by the Saudis, for example, and those ruthless Zionist checks only go so far.

The silver lining to this cloud is that there are individuals who DO have influence in the big media who read LGF.

Not only is CAIR going to turn into the boy who cried "wolf", but in many cases, the more of this sort of thing they do, the more attention they draw to themselves.

413 Gordon Marock  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:53:33am

re: #404 sattv4u2

re: #393 grumpy old codger


re: #106 Gordon Marock
Gordon, tsk, tsk! Have you forgotten only moslems, gays, blacks, latinos, environmentalists, urban outdoorsmen (homeless) can be victims of hate crimes and could never be be accused of doing them. Remember, it's the rop.
/

edited


Your failure to include Transgendered in the list constitutes a hate crime by omission.

414 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:53:51am

re: #405 wahabicorridor

re: #388 sattv4u2


never get into a war of words with people that buy ink by the 55 gallon drum !

feh. The innernut has so depleted their customer base, they're buying that stuff by the pint.

They should do the worrying.

True that they are dropiing in actual circulation, but for every New York Times that is now not being delivered to a Manhatten doorstep, 100 libs are now reading it online somewhere else in the country

same bad jounalists,,,, same slanted editors

415 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:54:16am

re: #390 chubby vegan

I once quoted Ann Coulter, deleted within minutes (you may have seen it on a tshirt). Thought it was rather innocuous, in retrospect, Charles was right. Not because it was Ms Coulter, but it was because it was pretty bad.

As I type I need to remember that the enemies of freedom are just waiting to take something out of context.

It's a good idea to keep in mind that unfriendly eyes are watching- and for that matter- we have no idea who is watching these comments- jihadis, koslings, friends, your boss, your mother....

416 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:54:41am
417 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:54:59am

re: #413 Gordon Marock

re: #404 sattv4u2


re: #393 grumpy old codger

re: #106 Gordon Marock
Gordon, tsk, tsk! Have you forgotten only moslems, gays, blacks, latinos, environmentalists, urban outdoorsmen (homeless) can be victims of hate crimes and could never be be accused of doing them. Remember, it's the rop.
/

edited

Your failure to include Transgendered in the list constitutes a hate crime by omission.

Transgenderd Urban Outdoorsmen with Dyslexia ,,,,, UNTIE !

418 JWM  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:55:06am

re: #403 MigueldowninMexico

Hey Miguel! How are you?
Christian Identity is a genuine neo nazi hate group, not just a made-up name.

JWM

419 Jfundie  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:55:21am

re: #339 Catttt

I used to work at the FBI, and the agents were very professional and nice. They generally do a good job of being neutral in these things - you know they are internally rolling their eyes, but on the outside they're Sgt. Friday.

Come on, gimme a break. Was FBI professional in WTC 93' Bombings? No, they sure were not, because they were scared to stir up trouble with Muslim community.

I have no doubt in my mind that FBI department responsible for "hate crimes" is politically motivated. It only remains to be seen how far will they go to appease CAIR.

420 pyjoe  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:55:21am

Just so everyone knows, the paper in question "St. Louis Post-Dispatch" is more truly known around town as the "Post-Disgrace". To refer to the writers and editors of my local rag as journalists is like referring to arsonists as redecorators. Thay have for years been anti-freedom, anti-military, anti-police and have never found a truth they haven't been willing to hide.

Hell, I don't even read it for the comics anymore.

421 major  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:55:35am

CAIR's press releases are often posted on Qatar-based Islamonline chaired by Muslim Brotherhood Spiritual leader Yusef Qaradawi.

Where was CHAR when the most offensive poem "How to Behead" was posted? Did CAIR issue a press release about that? That should tell you something.

422 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:55:37am

re: #403 MigueldowninMexico

I sent an email to the first crappy paper.
The second one talks about "a Christian Identity movement".
What the hell is that? What does this has to do with us? (At least they don't mention LGF by name)
It's the old CDS Christian Derrangement Syndrom.
Those mental retards have just invented a new movement out of thin air to fill their paranoid stupid Welt-an-Schauung.
How debasing of them to have such a lack of integrity.
/Spit.

OTOH commenters have to be more careful not to give munnition to the likes of those tools of the enemies of freedom.
I don't care if you don't like to refrain yourselves. You are not on our side if you give the sold-out bustards weapons to slander us with crap like "a Christian Identity Movement".
Refrain yourselves from angry comments that can be missused against LGF.

The "Christian Identity" movement is one populated by neo-Nazi and Klan kook types that maintain that Israel was originally populated by "Aryans", and that the Jews "stole" Israel from the "Aryans". Basically, a bunch of crap.

423 realwest  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:55:43am

re: #301 Charles Charles - if you're e-mails and his were not "confidential" or in confidence, I wish you would publish them. I can imagine why a reporter who told Go_Fish at #93 that he "knows all the member of CAIR in the area and is friends with them" has anything to do with his lack of journalistic ethics?

424 JHW  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:55:56am

I`ll throw a little anecdote about the FBI in here that may be of interest (or not) in showing how bureaucracies have to waste time dealing with minor problems once they`re brought to their attention and a paper trail is made.

Here in Washington state there has always been a small market, mainly for export to Europe, of minor forest products. This is things like wild mushrooms, evergreen tree cones, berries, ferns, cascara (a shrub) bark for laxative manufacture, etc, etc. Generations of rural children made pocket money gathering these things , $10-20 in a day would be about average.

When I was about 14 years old ,many years ago, I was turned in to the Forest Service by an obnoxious neighbor for straying on Forest Service land gathering some of this stuff. The US Forest Service, being a Federal Agency, in turn passed the complaint to the FBI. An agent showed up at my home in the sticks in Washington`s Olympic Peninsula.He stated because there was a complaint made and a paper trail, the bureaucracies involved had to investigate to clear up their paperwork. He clearly indicated he thought it was a waste of resources and time to investigate children for a minor "crime" like this.

End of story, after bouncing back and forth between two federal agencies they both got the statements they wanted, and agreed to take my word how much money I made that day and levied a fine of one third, about $6, payable to the US Forest Service, with no admission I had got the stuff off their land. The wheels of the bureaucracies, I never wonder why government costs so much.

425 Pilgrim1949  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:56:01am

Here's a novel idea (well, maybe just a short story...)

The MSM could hire some of their beloved "undocumented immigrants" to do the due diligence journalism that they themselves refuse to do.

Besides, from a cost perspective they could probably replace one of the usual news-hacks with dozens of these newly-minted (and minty fresh, too!) cub reporters. What a savings and a social jobs-creation benefit to boot!

Or, they could just do their jobs.

Nah......never happen!

426 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:56:05am

re: #408 Kenneth

re: #389 Ward Cleaver

The Turkish Islamist Recep Erdogan, now President of Turkey, caused a kerfuffle recently when he recited part of the poem in a speech. What really riled the Kemalists was the fact he dropped the lines mentioning the army.

That's what yesterday's post was saying.

427 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:56:07am

re: #416 buzzsawmonkey

re: #403 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel: where was this "Christian Identity" stuff you're talking about? Can you provide a link?

Right on the second link that heads this thread. "FBI investigating threads...etc"

428 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:56:42am

re: #418 JWM

re: #403 MigueldowninMexico

Hey Miguel! How are you?
Christian Identity is a genuine neo nazi hate group, not just a made-up name.

JWM


REALLY?
Damn, this makes it even worse!
Grrrrr

429 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:56:59am

re: #403 MigueldowninMexico

The second one talks about "a Christian Identity movement".
What the hell is that?


Nazis - Christian Identity

430 nikis-knight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:57:02am

If you want to be safe from the FBI, just call some overseas terrorists. I'm sure Nancy Pelosi will come to your aid.

oh, wait, that's CAIR's tactics.

431 wahabicorridor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:57:04am

re: #414 sattv4u2

but for every New York Times that is now not being delivered to a Manhatten doorstep, 100 libs are now reading it online somewhere else in the country

I see your point, but a fat lot of good it's doing them. NYT in particular - their stock has fallen by how much? And they're due to lay off another 100 staff?

Bring it on.

432 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:57:09am

There must be some lurkers from CAIR. For those I post the following.

1. Read the United States Constitution.
2. Read the Bill of Rights.
3. There will be no caliphate
4. Visit the deep south, insist people behave according to your standards. Just do it face-to-face. Don't call it in.
5. Get back with me on how #4 turns out.
6. Go get me a cold beer, sit down and have a nice pulled pork sandwich with me, then we can go take the dog for a walk.
7. Bring along a plastic bag. Someone needs to pick up behind the dog.

433 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:57:47am

re: #422 Ward Cleaver

re: #403 MigueldowninMexico


I sent an email to the first crappy paper.
The second one talks about "a Christian Identity movement".
What the hell is that? What does this has to do with us? (At least they don't mention LGF by name)
It's the old CDS Christian Derrangement Syndrom.
Those mental retards have just invented a new movement out of thin air to fill their paranoid stupid Welt-an-Schauung.
How debasing of them to have such a lack of integrity.
/Spit.

OTOH commenters have to be more careful not to give munnition to the likes of those tools of the enemies of freedom.
I don't care if you don't like to refrain yourselves. You are not on our side if you give the sold-out bustards weapons to slander us with crap like "a Christian Identity Movement".
Refrain yourselves from angry comments that can be missused against LGF.


The "Christian Identity" movement is one populated by neo-Nazi and Klan kook types that maintain that Israel was originally populated by "Aryans", and that the Jews "stole" Israel from the "Aryans". Basically, a bunch of crap.


Damn, again.
Thanks.

434 Go_Fish  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:57:52am

re: #134 MandyManners

re: #121 Go_Fish

I still can't get over the reporter's trust of C.A.I.R.?

I'm not surprised. He's used them as sources before in other stories. Another Post-Disgrace reporter did a story around the time of the mohammed cartoon rage-fest about how hard it was for her growing up a Muslim in some Texas suburb. Then she went on to cite those phony hate crime statistics that CAIR likes to use. I wrote to her about it but was ignored.

There are a lot of Muslims in the St. Louis area from all over the world. Why a religion editor thinks that the opinion of a particular sect should speak for all of them is beyond me.

435 CheDub  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:57:58am

re: #420 pyjoe

Just so everyone knows, the paper in question "St. Louis Post-Dispatch" is more truly known around town as the "Post-Disgrace". To refer to the writers and editors of my local rag as journalists is like referring to arsonists as redecorators. Thay have for years been anti-freedom, anti-military, anti-police and have never found a truth they haven't been willing to hide.

Hell, I don't even read it for the comics anymore.

Sounds like the idiots editors and writers for the Seattle PravdaPost-Intelligencer

436 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:58:26am
That would be a great name for a British heavy metal band 'Fuck the Pudding'

Nah...... Sorry to burst your bubble here mate......... but the very concept of anybody sticking their tackle in any manner of dessert, irrevocably belongs to America. Brits wouldn't touch it as they'd feel it was cultural plagiarism.

'Pie Fucking'............ What a cinematic stigma.

;-)

437 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:58:29am
438 sparrowlake  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:58:39am

Charles IMO you should be taking expert legal advice proactively in order to best manage this CAIR situation.
And if funding is an issue just say the word, because I am pretty sure that you would have no difficulty getting whatever financial support you need from your lizard army.

439 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:58:56am

re: #400 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I will add it to my Netflix quewe.

440 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:59:24am

re: #429 Killgore Trout

re: #403 MigueldowninMexico


The second one talks about "a Christian Identity movement".
What the hell is that?

Nazis - Christian Identity

Thanks again.

So they are saying we are nazis!
WOW!

I have to follow my own advice and refrain from what I really want to say.

You.sirs.are.a.piece.of.scum.
That's the softest I can tell them.

441 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:59:35am
442 Gordon Marock  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:59:38am

re: #424 JHW

I`ll throw a little anecdote about the FBI in here that may be of interest (or not) in showing how bureaucracies have to waste time dealing with minor problems once they`re brought to their attention and a paper trail is made.

Here in Washington state there has always been a small market, mainly for export to Europe, of minor forest products. This is things like wild mushrooms, evergreen tree cones, berries, ferns, cascara (a shrub) bark for laxative manufacture, etc, etc. Generations of rural children made pocket money gathering these things , $10-20 in a day would be about average.

When I was about 14 years old ,many years ago, I was turned in to the Forest Service by an obnoxious neighbor for straying on Forest Service land gathering some of this stuff. The US Forest Service, being a Federal Agency, in turn passed the complaint to the FBI. An agent showed up at my home in the sticks in Washington`s Olympic Peninsula.He stated because there was a complaint made and a paper trail, the bureaucracies involved had to investigate to clear up their paperwork. He clearly indicated he thought it was a waste of resources and time to investigate children for a minor "crime" like this.

End of story, after bouncing back and forth between two federal agencies they both got the statements they wanted, and agreed to take my word how much money I made that day and levied a fine of one third, about $6, payable to the US Forest Service, with no admission I had got the stuff off their land. The wheels of the bureaucracies, I never wonder why government costs so much.

You should have told the feds that the neighbor is a liar, and made up the story becuase you threatended to tell the police when he tried to show you porn and exposed himself.

443 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:59:41am

re: #432 BulgarWheat

Bulgar, I love your avatar! Did you ever see the movie "Grandma's Boys?" It's a slob comedy, which I have a weak spot for, produced by Adam Sandler & written by someone who used to write for National Review. Anyway, the lead character wears a Mickey Mouse Che t-shirt for most of the film.

444 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:59:51am

re: #406 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #399 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But these go up to 11.

"Don't worry about those cancelled Boston shows, it's not really a college town".

445 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:00:29am

re: #436 Wishbone

That would be a great name for a British heavy metal band 'Fuck the Pudding'

Nah...... Sorry to burst your bubble here mate......... but the very concept of anybody sticking their tackle in any manner of dessert, irrevocably belongs to America. Brits wouldn't touch it as they'd feel it was cultural plagiarism.

'Pie Fucking'............ What a cinematic stigma.

;-)


Well this is one Yank who can say, with her head held high, that she didn't see any of the American Pie movies. Based on that scene alone.

446 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:00:38am

re: #128 rawmuse

In an effort to raise the level of discussion and deflect charges of pudding-like thought processes (which I am from time to time guilty as charged) for the time being, all my comments will be in Haiku form.

We have a cookie lady and a fruitcup lady. I hope a puddin' lady will have lots of chocolate puddin'.

447 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:00:59am

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

re: #427 MigueldowninMexico

Thanks. A little phony equivalency going on there, I see, but it doesn't directly affect us here.

It affects me in so far that I feel very bad when I'm slandered.
Anyway. eff them.

448 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:01:02am

re: #415 Sharmuta

re: #390 chubby vegan


I once quoted Ann Coulter, deleted within minutes (you may have seen it on a tshirt). Thought it was rather innocuous, in retrospect, Charles was right. Not because it was Ms Coulter, but it was because it was pretty bad.

As I type I need to remember that the enemies of freedom are just waiting to take something out of context.


It's a good idea to keep in mind that unfriendly eyes are watching- and for that matter- we have no idea who is watching these comments- jihadis, koslings, friends, your boss, your mother....

Where I used to work, we didn't call this type of thing "self-censorship", we referred to it as having a good case of "the behooves", as in, it behooves us to remember to write everything as if your worst enemy was going to read it. Same applies here.

449 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:01:32am
450 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:01:39am

re: #439 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You won't regret it.

451 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:01:41am

re: #431 wahabicorridor

re: #414 sattv4u2


but for every New York Times that is now not being delivered to a Manhatten doorstep, 100 libs are now reading it online somewhere else in the country

I see your point, but a fat lot of good it's doing them. NYT in particular - their stock has fallen by how much? And they're due to lay off another 100 staff?

Bring it on.

again ,, it takes hundreds less people to post on the net than it does to produce an actual newspaper. As far as the stock falling, please tell me one large investment group that has in the past 20 years relied on print media (other than possibly the Oprah empire) for any substantive stock gains ? The stock falling is in the "oh well" category as far as Wall Street is concerned

452 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:01:42am

re: #96 Cognito

Why are you such a jerk?

453 major  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:01:45am

One more thing - why don't we all consider sending a polite e-mail to the local CBS affiliate KMOV-TV about their one-sided report of story: news@kmov.com

454 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:02:59am

re: #402 realwest

First of all- what's the phrase about when you "assume"?

Second- you really want to go on record as saying some of the ding ups on deleted comments on that thread were by lurking cair dingers? You should really go back to that thread and look at the dings, if you do.

Third- there are bigger fish to fry than lurking dingers- such as jihadis, nazis, and mobys/trolls that actually post. I think I can count the number of lurking dingers on one hand- and one is a Lounger.

Fourth- the issue here is not the dings- it's comments.

455 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:03:00am

re: #427 MigueldowninMexico

re: #416 buzzsawmonkey

re: #403 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel: where was this "Christian Identity" stuff you're talking about? Can you provide a link?

Right on the second link that heads this thread. "FBI investigating threads...etc"

If the reporter is somehow trying to link LGF with those kooks, he really is industrial-strength stupid. BabbaZee, for one, will kick his ass. Metaphorically-speaking, of course.

456 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:03:02am

re: #453 major

One more thing - why don't we all consider sending a polite e-mail to the local CBS affiliate KMOV-TV about their one-sided report of story: news@kmov.com

I sent this to the first paper linked above:
...on your part, in that hit piece about littlegreenfootballs.com and cair.
Comments by users are not "posts". Users are not "bloggers". LGF is NOT a hate site.
Have you ever read it? I can bet that you haven't. You should be ashamed of yourselves for partaking in a slander without even checking what is it all about.
Your integrity is highly questioned now, by me and thousands of other decent people who have been tarnished by you with the most debasing terms without even taking the pain to check it out.
Shame on you.
If you still have a bit of decency left, you will go and read this page: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] in which blogger Charles Johnson wonders why you didn't contact him to clear up terms before running this hit piece, like a mob attack.

For your information, the level on LGF is higher than you can fancy, as most commenters there are very qualified people in all walks of life. I repeat: shame on you for this way of slandering thousands of people -many of them your countrymen- to pander for hate groups (and unindicted co-conspirators of terrorists like Hamas) like cair. Get yourselves educated and find out how the Courts in your country are investigating cair for ties with terrorists.

Good going guys, support terrorist enablers while at the same time throwing mud on decent people.
I hope you clean up your act to be respectable again.

Miguel

457 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:03:03am

re: #452 WriterMom

re: #96 Cognito

Why are you such a jerk?

I can't speak for Cognito ,,,, but in my case it just comes naturally!

458 Catttt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:03:07am

re: #419 Jfundie

re: #339 Catttt


I used to work at the FBI, and the agents were very professional and nice. They generally do a good job of being neutral in these things - you know they are internally rolling their eyes, but on the outside they're Sgt. Friday.

Come on, gimme a break. Was FBI professional in WTC 93' Bombings? No, they sure were not, because they were scared to stir up trouble with Muslim community.

I have no doubt in my mind that FBI department responsible for "hate crimes" is politically motivated. It only remains to be seen how far will they go to appease CAIR.

I worked there in the 70s. Your assumptions are crushing your logic. And I wasn't talking about hate crimes, etc. I was talking about the basic makeup of an agent, which I doubt has changed much.

459 RickZ  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:03:11am

re: #442 Gordon Marock

re: #424 JHWYou should have told the feds that the neighbor is a liar, and made up the story becuase you threatended to tell the police when he tried to show you porn and exposed himself.

Nope, not a good strategy to file a false report with the Feebs. That's how they got some of the muslim 'hate crime' scam artists. I really think it's genetic with muslims: They can't help but lie, as it is so normal in islamic 'societies'.

460 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:03:37am

re: #443 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

BeerDrinking....thanks for the compliment. I'd steal your nick in a minute if I ever see it unattended.

Haven't seen the film, but now I have to.

Che-Che-Che-Che-Che-Che-Che-Che-Che-Che-Changes!
The picture of Mickey Che just brings it all together. Barack wants to bring us hope and change, right?

461 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:03:54am

re: #444 Spenser (with an S)

re: #406 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #399 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But these go up to 11.

"Don't worry about those cancelled Boston shows, it's not really a college town".

"Maybe we can fix the choreography, so they won't trod upon it?"

462 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:04:04am

re: #235 buzzsawmonkey

"We must be nice to them now so they will be nice back to us when Sharia rules the land...."

463 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:04:12am

re: #424 JHW

That bears many similarities to situations I've read of in Britain. Boy throws a peanut at classmate, a report is filed by some busybody and, before you know it, there's that paper trail and some copper is knocking on his door and 'investigating' because he has to, but would much rather be off somewhere sticking it to actual criminals.

The list of individual accounts goes on, but the analogy is always the same.

464 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:04:42am

re: #455 Ward Cleaver

I hear you Ward.

465 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:05:04am

re: #452 WriterMom

re: #96 Cognito

Why are you such a jerk?

To quote Forrest Whitaker in The Crying Game, "it's in his nature".

466 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:05:47am

JWM
Thanks :)

467 3 wood  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:05:52am

I would not hold my breath on the editors doing anything about this situation.

Years ago a newpaper reporter completely fabricated a 2 paragraph conversation with me out of the blue and published it in an article. I got the reporter to admit it to me and their editor. That editor refused to print a retraction, they just quietly let the reporter go some time later. They never even apologized.

More recently, a reporter lied/distorted the truth twice in an article involving me. The reporter acknowledged the lies/distortions to me, told me her editors knew about them too, and refused to put in a retraction. Instead I was invited to go to the editors. I submitted a written request for a retraction to the editors who never responded.

Some time ago a TV reporter did an intervew with me, then re-shot the questions afterwards and spliced in a question that was never asked, in response to one of my questions, thus significantly changing the meaning of my words. I had an attorney contact the editors, the reporter soon left their employ but I never got an so much as an apology.

I have become convinced that a lot of the media is not interested in reporting the facts. It is advocacy journalism, manufacturing conflict and controversy to get readership and advertising revenues.

468 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:05:59am

re: #162 Charles

Charles-maybe put a leading post about CAIR and their activities on the front page...anyone who reads the story-or wants more information about the HORRIBLE LFG HATER SITE will be forced to look (maybe not click) on the real story about CAIR.

469 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:06:06am

Hey, new StL newspaper reporter thread up. ========>>>>>

/running over there

470 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:06:14am

I meant JHW.
Sorry and thanks again :)

471 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:06:21am

Aw, there it be. A brand-new steaming thread. You can actually see the steam rising off of it. Jumping to the new thread.

472 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:06:56am

re: #130 Gordon Marock

so much flabby, pudding-like thinking

Roating title!

473 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:07:10am

Let's go upstairs.
This subject is continued over there...

474 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:07:42am

re: #400 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I live for the memory of the Stonehenge scene.

475 Palandine  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:08:04am

I feel so bad that Charles has to put up with this. Please be careful not to poop all over Charles' threads.

The _only_ silver lining is that this minaret is now much more well known in St. Louis, which will give them some cause to be good neighbors.

476 maddogg  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:08:40am

re: #462 WriterMom

re: #235 buzzsawmonkey

"We must be nice to them now so they will be nice back to us when Sharia rules the land...."

You must be talking about a time long after they've pried my cold dead fingers.....

477 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:09:10am

re: #445 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

The films had their moments, usually when you just wanted to watch something without all the bother of engaging your brain, but they were cringe worthy at times...... Like that scene.

478 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:09:30am

re: #322 newsjunkie_ky

cair, along with their 'press release', probably includes a perk to the reporters.

it's bought and paid for and swallowed hook line and sinker? cair and it's shills.

479 Teacake!  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:09:57am

The FBI should charge CAIR with a fine for wasting their time with phony allegations.

480 maddogg  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:10:22am

re: #467 3 wood

Fool me once shame on you...

Fool me twice, shame on me.....
/:)

481 Wm T Sherman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:10:24am

Loudspeakers could be put into the minaret at any time. It is a trivial task.

482 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:11:05am

re: #359 Kenneth

re: #340 Ward Cleaver


"The minarets are our swords,
and the domes of the mosques are our helmets"

...comes from a Turkish song

My mom says you call it your 'fireman'. When you rub his helmet, he spits in your eye.
/Eric Cartman

483 Bobibutu  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:11:09am

re: #419 Jfundie

re: #339 Catttt

I used to work at the FBI, and the agents were very professional and nice. They generally do a good job of being neutral in these things - you know they are internally rolling their eyes, but on the outside they're Sgt. Friday.

Come on, gimme a break. Was FBI professional in WTC 93' Bombings? No, they sure were not, because they were scared to stir up trouble with Muslim community.

I have no doubt in my mind that FBI department responsible for "hate crimes" is politically motivated. It only remains to be seen how far will they go to appease CAIR.

The alphabet soups, the military and your local PD are, for the overwhelming majority, professionals all. Keep in mind that they must march to a political drummer at times. It is not their call as to how far they will go - and we elect the politicians who control them.

484 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:11:34am

re: #452 WriterMom
Damnit, had to go waaay upthread to see what the cogmeister spit out now.

485 3 wood  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:12:45am

re: #452 WriterMom


re: #96 Cognito

Why are you such a jerk?

I found him to be a condescending media apologist, who added very little actual insights but would do so with a superior attitude.

I think we will manage to get along somehow without him.

486 Render  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:13:43am

Judging from the first page of a simple Google search of "tim townsend cair."

[Link: www.google.com...]

One would quickly get the impression that Mr. Townsend's only job is to cover CAIR press releases, which he seems to do on a regular basis.

After reading several of Mr Townsend's articles dating back to early 2006 we find that Mr Townsend, whose official title is Religion Writer, has very little positive to say about any religion other than Islam.

Nor am I the only person that has noticed this apparent bias of Mr Townsend's.

[Link: www.getreligion.org...]

(scroll to the very bottom story on the page)

"The first part of Townsend’s story quotes extensively from St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke’s written column and a previous homily on Advent. He also speaks with a theology professor at Xavier University in Cincinnati and pastors at Presbyterian, African Methodist Episcopal, Roman Catholic and Methodist parishes. And that’s wonderful. But it made me realize that I rarely see any Missouri-Synod Lutherans in Townsend’s pieces. In fact, the last time I remember a piece about my brand of Lutherans was when our Synodical President faced an election challenge two and a half years ago. This could be an oversight of my newscrawling capabilities, to be sure."

"But the reason it’s interesting is not because Missouri Synod Lutherans are one of the largest Protestant church bodies in the United States; it’s that they are headquartered in St. Louis. So I hope Townsend is spending time digging into the stories that are happening in his backyard. But I am completely compromised on this topic."

-Mollie, compromised or not, you're not the only one that's noticing Mr Townsend's utterly uncritical stance on Islam. 20,000+ Lizards have joined you.

RIGHT HERE
RIGHT NOW,
R

487 grumpy old codger  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:16:32am

re: #158 ploome hineni
Or they've promised him a good seat in the press box, after they take over, where he can do a nice play-by-play on the beheadings, amputations, stonings, etc..

488 dukiecon  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:17:55am

[so maybe this was addressed already - I'm too lazy to read all of them...]

Nothing amuses me so much as when the MSM (especially print media) attempts to cover or report on blogs. They inevitably make a mess of it, as this shows on so many levels. Much as I hate to credit the gray hag with anything, the Times does talk about blogs and the Internet with credibility and some manner of fluency or competency, albeit spun.

489 littleO  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:18:06am

re: #419 Jfundie

re: #339 Catttt


I used to work at the FBI, and the agents were very professional and nice. They generally do a good job of being neutral in these things - you know they are internally rolling their eyes, but on the outside they're Sgt. Friday.

Come on, gimme a break. Was FBI professional in WTC 93' Bombings? No, they sure were not, because they were scared to stir up trouble with Muslim community.


I liked Scully and Mulder. Especially Scully!
I have no doubt in my mind that FBI department responsible for "hate crimes" is politically motivated. It only remains to be seen how far will they go to appease CAIR.

490 chubby vegan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:18:58am

re: #415 Sharmuta

"It's a good idea to keep in mind that unfriendly eyes are watching- and for that matter- we have no idea who is watching these comments- jihadis, koslings, friends, your boss, your mother...."

You mean...Look...Chubby Mama Not a Vegan!

491 bcismar  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:19:55am

I'm sure no one has thought of the possibility that Cair themselves have been cruising the site forever looking for some slight they could cry about. They possibly even got commenting privileges and played here for some time hoping to incite something juicy. And further, it is entirely possible that they themselves posted the comments that they are so offended over.

Or not.

As a veteran who personally fought for the right to speak freely I will not curb my tongue for any Hirabist apology group and I hope no other American feels such a need. Speak freely, that is what I and my comrades fought to insure you could do. If you think that eye sore phallic noise post should be demolished, say so. That is a far cry less than the death threats made daily by the Hirabist for the slight of drawing a cartoon or tossing an old book in the trash.

492 Promethea  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:19:59am

re: #132 zmdavid

re: #96 Cognito


I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.

I don't agree that LGF would be better without comments. I do agree that not all of them are well thought through.

It's nice to have a place to occasionally rant. In my meatworld life, dominated by LLLs, I can rarely say what I think. (Castro was good for Cuba. Healthcare and literacy, doncha know.) I don't think everything we say here has to be so superterrific all the time. That's another form of PC.

Of course, we all need to censor ourselves against racism, advocacy of violence, rudeness toward Christianity and other religions, and general rudeness, but I think it's OK to occasionally be flabby and pudding-like as an outlet against despair.

493 turn  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:22:02am

Whew ... I guess Charles is still letting me log on after getting tangled up in a reply to the d..... comment yesterday morning.

I agree with everything Charles is saying about this being a rather large open discussion forum and as such hard for one person to moderate. I guess I've learned a little lesson over this. Although my remark was a facetious one, there are just some things (e.g. d.....) that you just shouldn't try and crack jokes about. Sorry for any hassle this may have caused.

The fact that the original d.... comment in question started with "I suppose ...." clued me right off the bat that the poster was being facetious. Hopefully somebody at the FBI will have an American sense of humor. Unfortunately in some cultures, for instance the Chinese culture, facetiousness or joking sarcasm isn't taken in the context it is given, it's almost like "does not compute." Maybe the Muslim culture is the same way, I don't know.

At any rate, I now have the proud distinction of having a comment deleted at LFG (Lizards I'm being facetious). Thanks, and keep up the good work Charles.

494 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:22:17am

re: #461 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Ah! One of my favorite lines!

495 Palandine  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:25:43am

Who's funding the minaret? According to their web site, the local congregation is. However, they also just bought a $1.25 million parcel of land in St. Louis County (which is separate from St. Louis city) for another mosque. Here's the story. A local Jewish group helped them with their zoning dispute with the county. Hard to say where the money came from, because no one in the media asked. The Bosnians came here with NOTHING, as refugees. Now, a little more than a decade later, they're building a mosque worth more than a million? They're thrifty people, but are they that thrifty?

By the way, now when you google "Islamic Community Center" and "St. Louis" you get a lot of hits for this story, which is going viral. it was reported in the Southast Missourian, which is a paper 100 miles away. Mahdi Bray and other Islamic bloggers are writing about it.

496 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:29:13am

re: #287 Honorary Yooper

re: #280 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


Sometimes a cigar is a cigar.

Please, we've been there, done that, and I don't want the Clinton years back again.



A lying Clinton is just a lying Clinton, but a good cigar still stinks.

497 Go_Fish  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:29:54am

Well, he hasn't stopped responding to me...yet.

Here's the question I asked after his first response.

Cool. Then can you ask them how CAIR justifies it's tactic of trolling and posting incendiary comments on blogs and then using them to make phony charges of harrassment?

Because that's likely what happened here. It's called "mobying" and they've been caught doing it dozens of times. That doesn't sound very trustworthy to me.

Robert

To which Mr Townsend replied:

Robert - from what I read on the very blogs we're talking about there was no mobying in this case. All of the comments directed to the FBI were from frequent posters who had nothing to do with CAIR.

Ignored my other points completely of course.

My reply to that:

I guess we'll have to see about that. I'm hearing otherwise.

Are you going to contact the owners of Gateway Pundit and Little Green Footballs for their response? Providing only one side of the story and using a source with justifiably questionable motives doesn't lend the story much credibility.

I'm curious though about your statement that you know all about CAIR. Surely you were aware of the Holyland Foundation trial last year and the dubious backgrounds of their leadership. Why haven't you shared any of this with readers?

Robert


Stay tuned...

498 Ma Sands  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:32:24am

re: #497 Go_Fish

Keeping tuned.......thanks..... :)

499 major  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:33:45am

Charles FYI:

CAIR is making a big deal about these four comments calling them threats against the mosque but in the comments I read they only mentioned the free-standing 107 ft tall tower not the mosque, if I recall them right.

..."The apparent [LGF] threats come following a recent arson attack on a Tennessee mosque allegedly by three members of the "Christian Identity" movement and a fire-bomb attack on a Minnesota Muslim business." CAIR said.

Because of similar bias-related incidents nationwide, CAIR is urging Muslim individuals and institutions to review security procedures using advice contained in its "Muslim Community Safety Kit."

SEE: CAIR Muslim Community Safety Kit

500 Ma Sands  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:50:24am

re: #395 MrMom

re: #278 MellyMel: I have been trying to step out a bit more lately, but I swear I am always so friggin late to threads! I type fast, but wow, five minutes after some are opened there are 200 comments and it takes me forever to catch up!

I refer to that as "realwest-ing". After one of Charles' upgrades, the thread speed seem to increase greatly. One morning real noted how he was way behind and couldn't catch up. I find myself in the same boat pretty often. Instead of "I've fallen and I can't get up," it's "I'm behind and can't catch up!"


Actually --I count a lot, as I find it intriguing -- there've never been more'n 10 comments per minute........and that's VERY speedy, usually only when live-blogging a Presidential debate..... :) ! 'Cept once, I think -----at the turn of some million mile-mark, I do think there were very intentionally a couple-dozen per minute.....the day that Irish Rose won infamity..... :)

501 TalkinKamel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:51:20am

#381 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

LOL! Many thanks for the beautiful camel pic! I thanks yez very much, and I sends ya a Kamel hug! {}!

#468 WriterMom

Excellent idea! Yes, Charles, you could make it so they have to link to the actual story about CAIR.

(As for Cogs. . . I think he mentioned once he works as a journalist and/or for some sort of media outlet. 'Nuff said.)

#486 Render

The religion writer for our local paper is pretty bad too. Likes Wiccans and Moslems, doesn't like Christians, ignores Jews. I'm beginning to think that, as a breed, most newspaper religion writers shouldn't be trusted.

502 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:51:33am

Charles -

Take it all with a LARGE GRAIN of SALT - and Let Them Sue. Also seems like our friends at BabaluBlog are getting hit with something. Sudden slowdown at about 2:45 Eastern Time.

-S-

503 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:54:48am

This message is for any FBI agent that is reading this and would harass innocent and patriotic Americans on behalf of CAIR - kiss my ass.

504 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:56:35am

And any reporters looking for a propaganda piece on behalf of the terrorists at CAIR can suck my balls.

Hey Hooper, kiss my darkstar you America hating sack of shit.

505 TalkinKamel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:15:35pm

And Charles, clean up on aisles #503 & #504.

(Uh, Jack? You think this is going to help Charles how, exactly?)

506 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:16:06pm

re: #301 Charles

Well first off, Charles, I was on that thread when it first started (came in @ #30 or so) and saw the #2 post and just let it slide as well as a couple of others refering to dung coated rpg's and dumping pig sh*t on it from a light plane. I thought they were over the top, but didn't report them. For this I apologize. Lizards, sometimes inaction is just as bad or worse than the original action, if you know what I mean. Now, while doing a preview of this posting, I see that Charle's is putting up his exchange with the "reporter" and acordingly will move on up to the new thread.

507 elrushbuni  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:20:44pm

CAIR is fighting a losing battle if they aim to shield their own from the backlash they will receive in AMERICA as a result of any and all actions taken to protect themselves / EACH AND EVERY ONE / from that wretched bible of theirs called the Quran. As Geert Wilders would say, it is not the Muslims who he hates, it is Islam. CAIR is trying to apply all comments made toward Islam as though they were made to MUSLIMS AT LARGE. There IS a distinction, you know.

508 elrushbuni  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:28:29pm

re: #507 elrushbuni

CAIR is fighting a losing battle if they aim to shield their own from the backlash they will receive in AMERICA as a result of any and all actions taken to protect themselves / EACH AND EVERY ONE / from that wretched bible of theirs called the Quran. As Geert Wilders would say, it is not the Muslims who he hates, it is Islam. CAIR is trying to apply all comments made toward Islam as though they were made to MUSLIMS AT LARGE. There IS a distinction, you know.

To qualify, there are plenty of ongoing actions taken by Islamists -- enough to color the whole religion and them some, in the name of Islamic god Allah -- that there is nothing CAIR can say or do to defend them. CAIR would do better to reign in their own and spend MORE energy doing WHAT IS AMERICAN than WHAT IS MUSLIM. They should take the AMERICAN part out of their name -- there is nothing patriotic about them.

509 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:42:49pm
510 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:44:01pm

re: #505 TalkinKamel

And Charles, clean up on aisles #503 & #504.

(Uh, Jack? You think this is going to help Charles how, exactly?)

What exactly is the problem? There is no call for violence, and it's not a comment by Charles. The whole thing is bullshit to begin with, so what's the point of knee jerk censoring as a response. What the hell, is this a cartoon issue in Europe or what?

511 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:49:18pm

re: #506 Bubblehead II

re: #301 Charles

Well first off, Charles, I was on that thread when it first started (came in @ #30 or so) and saw the #2 post and just let it slide as well as a couple of others refering to dung coated rpg's and dumping pig sh*t on it from a light plane. I thought they were over the top, but didn't report them. For this I apologize. Lizards, sometimes inaction is just as bad or worse than the original action, if you know what I mean. Now, while doing a preview of this posting, I see that Charle's is putting up his exchange with the "reporter" and acordingly will move on up to the new thread.

Well shit people, let's just crush some more free speech as a result of CAIR. You do realize, of course, that this is exactly what they want to happen? Censoring of opinions that they don't like. They threaten to cut off heads and someone talked about dropping pig shit from a plane?

What I like about this place is the lack of PC idiots who will take their last breath before the knife cuts through head off their body and scream that islam is not a threat. Calling a spade a spade doesn't make you a racist nor does it make this a hate site. The fact of the matter is that islam is a violent religion. It's followers do horrible things, on a daily basis, to non-muslims and muslims alike. Their record on human rights would make Hitler jeolous and now we're supposed to walk on egg shells? No thanks.

512 jenv  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:00:10pm

We don't even know if those offensive posts were planted by CAIR sympathizers in order to frame LGF. Similar posts over at Jihad Watch also look like plants.

513 Josephine  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:13:41pm

re: #155 Charles

Looking at Tim Townsend's "article", I think I recognize the name of that relatively new poster. I reported one of his comments (not in the thread that CAIR quoted) and it was deleted very quickly.

514 godfrey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:30:16pm

There are so many howlers here it’s difficult to know where to begin, so let’s begin at the beginning:

ST. LOUIS — A national Muslim civil rights organization has asked the FBI to investigate what it considers threats made on the Internet against a Bosnian mosque in St. Louis.

Whoa, nelly! An organization has asked the FBI for an investigation! Thar’s news, thar!

One blog post [These were not “blog posts.” They were comments. – ed.] cited by the group made reference to vandalism and another to the use of dynamite.

No mention of how many comments in total, how many were negative, or even actual language.

Zachary Lowe, a special agent in the St. Louis office of the FBI, said Tuesday that while he could not confirm an investigation, the bureau “takes all threats against people very seriously, especially religious and ethnic groups.”

So we’re not even sure there’s an investigation.

The comments were made on at least two blogs and related to a posting about a minaret being built at the mosque. The mosque is the Islamic Community Center, or Madina Masjid, at 4666 Lansdowne Avenue. A minaret is a tower from which the Muslim call to prayer is traditionally sounded.

Other than ungainly prose, nothing wrong there.

The author of a blog called “Gateway Pundit: Observations of the World from the heart of Jesusland,” posted three photos of the minaret covered with scaffolding. One of the photos included the caption: “Those calls to prayers ought to go over really well with the people of this South St. Louis neighborhood.”

Irony is hate! You hateful, hateful snarky ironical people!

The “Gateway Pundit” author also cited another blog, Republican Riot, saying the Muslim call to prayer “is to be broadcast several times a day.”

The set- up. Then the punch:

But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.

But what’s the truth, Tim? Why not, i don't know, "investigate"?

Another blog, called “Little Green Footballs,” linked to the “Gateway Pundit” post, and several comments on “Little Green Footballs,” caused the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations to contact the FBI, said Ibrahim Hooper, the council’s spokesman.

Wow, this writer sure can get through to the Muslim side of the story, but zero initiative was taken toward the other side. Sort of leaps out at you, doesn't it?

”We ourselves get these kinds of hate messages and threats frequently,” Hooper said. “But you never know who’s just talking and who’s going to carry out some these threats, so you have to check them out.”

Leaving readers with the prejudice that opponents of the minaret in general are threatening and need to be monitored by the FBI. i.e. Don’t look at Muslims as the source of problems – all the problems are suggested to be on the other side. This is “journalism”? lol

515 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:47:09pm

re: #512 jenv

We don't even know if those offensive posts were planted by CAIR sympathizers in order to frame LGF. Similar posts over at Jihad Watch also look like plants.

FWIW, I've seen some pretty objectionable comments by regulars on occasion. I'd be wary of newbies planting comment bombs, but they're not the only ones.

516 wong fei hung  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 3:19:20pm

Screw press releases.

I've got something I'd like to release on CAIR.

It's in my pocket.

Wanna see? ;)

517 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 3:32:05pm

re: #511 Jack Burton

Well first off, this IS NOT a freedom of speech issue. This blog IS NOT a public street corner, it is a privately owned blog with rules.

"Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal."

As a member of this community, it is my responsibility to report to CJ posts that I believe to have crossed the line. I failed in that responsibility when I failed to (a) report the three posts (if I had, they may have been taken down before CJ had to leave on business) and (b) at a minimum, I should have spoken up, but I didn't.

The implied suggestions of the destruction/desecration of property belonging to another religious belief (even an Islamic one) is in direct violation of this rule.

My apologies to Charles was for failing to report violations of the rules, not to be P.C.

Just as an aside, what if it had been a Mormon Temple, Jewish synagogue or Catholic church these commits were directed at? Would you still be insinuating that I was being P.C. or afraid of getting my throat cut?

As for the rest of your post, you aren't telling us anything we don't already know.

518 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 4:07:59pm

re: #517 Bubblehead II

My apologies apology to Charles was for failing to report violations of the rules, not to be P.C.

PIMF!

519 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 6:17:30pm

Would you like a cross to nail yourself to?

520 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 6:21:20pm

And for the record, I might treat another faith's facilities differently because I do not consider islam to be a religion of equal standing. I don't really give a shit what happens to a mosque. I would never advocate violence upon a mosque, but I sure as hell wouldn't give a shit if I read about in the paper.

How could I ever care when the followers of islam shoot at our soldiers out of mosques knowing that our absurd rules of engagement prevent them from firing back. Cry to me about desecrating your religious buildings once you start respecting them yourselves.

521 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 6:22:26pm

re: #518 Bubblehead II

re: #517 Bubblehead II

My apologies apology to Charles was for failing to report violations of the rules, not to be P.C.

PIMF!

Nothing like being told to piss off by a kiss ass.

522 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 8:38:45pm

re: #520 Jack Burton

And for the record, I might treat another faith's facilities differently because I do not consider islam to be a religion of equal standing. I don't really give a shit what happens to a mosque. I would never advocate violence upon a mosque, but I sure as hell wouldn't give a shit if I read about in the paper.

Charles? I do think he has crossed the LINE!

Lizards?

523 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:12:27pm

re: #522 Bubblehead II

re: #520 Jack Burton


And for the record, I might treat another faith's facilities differently because I do not consider islam to be a religion of equal standing. I don't really give a shit what happens to a mosque. I would never advocate violence upon a mosque, but I sure as hell wouldn't give a shit if I read about in the paper.

Charles? I do think he has crossed the LINE!

Lizards?

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re: #521 Jack Burton

re: #518 Bubblehead II


re: #517 Bubblehead II

My apologies apology to Charles was for failing to report violations of the rules, not to be P.C.

PIMF!


Nothing like being told to piss off by a kiss ass.

No, Nothing like telling the truth!

524 Go_Fish  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 9:53:45pm

This was the reporter's last email to me about 12 hours ago:


From: Tim Townsend [mailto:TTownsend@post-dispatch.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:44 AM
To: Robert Frick
Subject: RE: About the supposedly threatened mosque...


Robert - from what I read on the very blogs we're talking about there was no mobying in this case. All of the comments directed to the FBI were from frequent posters who had nothing to do with CAIR. >

I'm considering sending this douchetool and his managing editor the following. What do y'all think?

******
I've followed up on everything the FBI could possibly know about this particular incident and there's no way you can definitively say that mobying from CAIR or some other jihadi sympathizer wasn't involved. Nor can you claim the offensive comments were the views of the blog owners your story smeared. If your story is to have any credibility at all, you need to provide the dns data or some other information proving that the commentators were "freguent posters" and not trolls or plants.

I've been a reader of the blogs your story mentions for several years and I haven't seen anything innapproriate, racist, or as your story implies, specifcally anti-Muslim, that wasn't immeditely deleted by the blog owners or flamed by regular readers. I have,however,seen numerous posts in the stltoday.com forums that were bigoted toward Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Protestants and non-believers, far harsher and hateful than the silly twaddle you and CAIR claim were direct threats against the new south St.Louis County mosque. Has CAIR asked local FBI officials to investigate any of them?

You put your name on a fallacious story based on a press release from a known terrorist front group without telling your readers who the press release came from. Can Post-Dispatch readers expect a follow up and a retraction after it's been shown you were played by the scumbags at CAIR?"

525 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 10:13:20pm

re: #523 Bubblehead II

re: #522 Bubblehead II


re: #520 Jack Burton

And for the record, I might treat another faith's facilities differently because I do not consider islam to be a religion of equal standing. I don't really give a shit what happens to a mosque. I would never advocate violence upon a mosque, but I sure as hell wouldn't give a shit if I read about in the paper.
Charles? I do think he has crossed the LINE!

Lizards?

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re: #521 Jack Burton

re: #518 Bubblehead II

re: #517 Bubblehead II
My apologies apology to Charles was for failing to report violations of the rules, not to be P.C.

PIMF!


Nothing like being told to piss off by a kiss ass.

No, Nothing like telling the truth!

Well for those of you who may be here when the morning shift comes on, please direct them to this thread. I woud like to hear how lol & mm think I handled it

526 Highrise  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 3:41:38am

re: #132 zmdavid

re: #96 Cognito


I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.

I don't agree that LGF would be better without comments. I do agree that not all of them are well thought through.


And you bring up a great point that leads to the use of the rating system. I find that people complain about posts yet do not report nor do they ding things down. They don't encourage or ding up good posts either.

More and more people are using the rating system so that is good, but it would be nice if people would help LGF comments become better by tossing in their opinion on bad or good posts in the form of the ratings as it is helpful in scanning down reading on which ones I stop on, especially a very busy thread.

Cognito, this goes for you too. If you are concerned about comments and how they reflect on LGF, please use the ratings system.

527 bodrules  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 5:43:45am

It's probably been already said, but this smells very much of CAIR sock puppets acting as agent provecturs

528 cannon2  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 6:11:42am

probably already suggested...

if they libeled you in their statement, i strongly urge you to join michael savage and file a formal damages law suit. even if you don't go very far with it, it will help discredit, and hopefully eleminate these islamo-fascist shills


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