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St. Louis Papers Shill for CAIR

Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 9:30:56 am PST

Sure enough, this morning the mainstream newspapers of St. Louis are running CAIR’s smear press release without a hint of skepticism, with no context for readers on the history of CAIR as a radical Islamic front group, or their status as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Hamas funding case: Mosque threatened, Muslim group says.

ST. LOUIS — A national Muslim civil rights organization has asked the FBI to investigate what it considers threats made on the Internet against a Bosnian mosque in St. Louis.

One blog post [These were not “blog posts.” They were comments. – ed.] cited by the group made reference to vandalism and another to the use of dynamite.

Zachary Lowe, a special agent in the St. Louis office of the FBI, said Tuesday that while he could not confirm an investigation, the bureau “takes all threats against people very seriously, especially religious and ethnic groups.”

The comments were made on at least two blogs and related to a posting about a minaret being built at the mosque. The mosque is the Islamic Community Center, or Madina Masjid, at 4666 Lansdowne Avenue. A minaret is a tower from which the Muslim call to prayer is traditionally sounded.

The author of a blog called “Gateway Pundit: Observations of the World from the heart of Jesusland,” posted three photos of the minaret covered with scaffolding. One of the photos included the caption: “Those calls to prayers ought to go over really well with the people of this South St. Louis neighborhood.”

The “Gateway Pundit” author also cited another blog, Republican Riot, saying the Muslim call to prayer “is to be broadcast several times a day.”

But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.

Another blog, called “Little Green Footballs,” linked to the “Gateway Pundit” post, and several comments on “Little Green Footballs,” caused the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations to contact the FBI, said Ibrahim Hooper, the council’s spokesman.

“We ourselves get these kinds of hate messages and threats frequently,” Hooper said. “But you never know who’s just talking and who’s going to carry out some these threats, so you have to check them out.”

CAIR’s propaganda also made it to the local CBS affiliate, KMOV, where they uncritically label LGF an “anti-Muslim site” at CAIR’s bidding: FBI investigating threats made against mosque in St. Louis.

St. Louis, MO (KMOV) - The FBI is just beginning its investigation into threats made against a mosque in south St. Louis.

The mosque has had no problems until threats popped up on the internet just this week.

The American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) Tuesday asked the FBI to investigate the apparent threats that were posted on an anti-Muslim internet site.

The apparent threats come following an arson attack on a Tennessee mosque allegedly by three members of the “Christian Identity” movement and a fire-bomb attack on a Minnesota Muslim business.

The FBI declined to talk to News 4 about this case, but they did say they are taking these threats seriously and are investigating them as a possible hate crime.

My question to both of these media outlets: why the hell don’t you contact me before running this crap? It’s not hard to find Little Green Footballs on the web, and there’s a handy contact form that sends me an email right there on every page.

If either of you had bothered to do your jobs, you would have learned that:

* There are more than 25,000 registered users at LGF.

* There are often more than 5,000 comments posted every single day.

* It is run by *one* person, and comments such as those quoted by CAIR are policed and deleted as soon as possible. But this is an open discussion forum, and comments do not represent the opinion of LGF — as the disclaimer states on every single page of comments.

* The comments quoted by CAIR were posted at LGF for less than two hours before CAIR sent out their press release, and were deleted as soon as the administrator (that would be me) became aware of them. CAIR did not contact me about the comments either—they just went straight to the FBI, and put out a libelous press release.

Bottom line: the mainstream media are disgraceful once again, carrying water for a known radical Islamic organization and failing to do due diligence in covering the story.

More at Gateway Pundit and Cristy Li.

UPDATE at 2/20/08 10:00:20 am:

CAIR’s press release also made it unedited on to the Fox Business site.

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1 joncelli  2/20/08 9:32:15 am reply quote

Contacting you doesn't fit the agenda, Charles. They're not going to let the facts get in the way of a good story.

2 lawhawk  2/20/08 9:32:35 am reply quote

Did they even try contacting you for your position, or did they simply rehash the CAIR presser?

3 pat  2/20/08 9:32:45 am reply quote

Symbolic indeed. Symbolic of conquest.

4 ec marm  2/20/08 9:33:37 am reply quote

Nobody refers to Gateway Pundit as anything other that Gateway Pundit. But notice this?

The author of a blog called “Gateway Pundit: Observations of the World from the heart of Jesusland,” posted three photos of the minaret covered with scaffolding.
5 lawhawk  2/20/08 9:33:45 am reply quote

Ah, apparently not - never mind my #2... it wouldn't fit their preconceptions. And I bet they didn't even bother to read your blog yesterday to see what was written.

Journalism 101 in 2008 - all the opinion and pressers print to fit.

6 Sharmuta  2/20/08 9:34:43 am reply quote

I'm just wondering why the msm seems to take un-indicted co-conspirators at their word instead of running their own research.

7 pat  2/20/08 9:35:19 am reply quote

Hate crime? You must have a crime first. Sorry. This isn't Canada or Britain where insulting the primitive, misogynistic notions of Islam is a crime.

8 JammieWearingFool  2/20/08 9:35:30 am reply quote

I send a note to Fox Business about this (was nice, of course). They should be ashamed of themselves for picking up that crap.

9 debutaunt  2/20/08 9:35:44 am reply quote

Americans are such a polite people. CAIR is having trouble trying to find enough to pose a fake problem.

10 Shug  2/20/08 9:35:44 am reply quote
“takes all threats against people very seriously, especially religious and ethnic groups.”


except for the threats to America that come from CAIR and their friends

11 MandyManners  2/20/08 9:35:48 am reply quote

Am I the only one thinking that the next Open Registration will bring in some pissed-off hatchlings from St. Louis?

Thanks, Hoopie! You're helping swell the ranks of the Lizard Army.

12 Honorary Yooper  2/20/08 9:35:59 am reply quote

Charles wrote:

My question to both of these newspapers: why the hell don’t you contact me before running this crap? It’s not hard to find Little Green Footballs on the web, and there’s a handy contact form that sends me an email right there on every page.

It wouldn't fit their agenda then. You see, we are a "hate site", and thus, we are not to be contacted, but simply reviled in the MSM's 2 minute hate.

13 RTLM  2/20/08 9:36:11 am reply quote

The FBI thought police come a-knockin'. Hey FBI, pay your phone bills, eh - !

14 Nevergiveup  2/20/08 9:37:25 am reply quote

I am certainly sorry for any aggravation this causes Charles. I am more concerned about the FBI being dragged into such crap like this and wasting their time ( even of they have to investigate nominally ) instead of concentrating on the big picture. You know like those enemies either external or internal that truly intend on hurting and defiling this great country of ours, that I am always proud of even if Michelle Obama isn't!

15 realwest  2/20/08 9:37:26 am reply quote

Now c'mon Charles - you're expecting them to engage in..............journalism?
Hell no, take a paid for press release and run with it. It fills up the paper, or gives them something to fill the air-time, let the facts sort themselves out.

16 trailortrash  2/20/08 9:37:41 am reply quote

what a fucking joke, these people kill over a cartoon and get no bad press.
people blow off some steam and get investigated by the freakin feds?
wth is this world coming to?

17 Sharmuta  2/20/08 9:37:53 am reply quote
Zachary Lowe, a special agent in the St. Louis office of the FBI, said Tuesday that while he could not confirm an investigation, the bureau “takes all threats against people very seriously, especially religious and ethnic groups.”

I'm not so certain about that. After all- there is a threat against a group known as non-muslims that the FBI seems more than willing to ignore when they attend functions with the very group leveling the threat against the non-muslims.

18 Ben Hur  2/20/08 9:38:22 am reply quote

Posted last thread (this time after spell check!):

#803 Ben Hur 2/20/08 9:32:55 am reply quote report 0

And something about this CAIR BS.

Now that the CAIR release went MSM, how many of you believe that the Americans reading the articles are saying to themselves, "Wow, that's really mean of those blogs," rather than "There building an effen what, where?"

I think CAIR has shot itself in the tentacle by giving it more publicity that Gateway ever could.

19 hayseed  2/20/08 9:38:22 am reply quote

well the whole damned Koran is a threat to non- Muslims for cryin out loud

20 Golem Akbar  2/20/08 9:38:27 am reply quote

Hey Charles, maybe the media will start interviewing you. It'll be boring, however, because you are not a racist/right wing bigot like they want. But it could widen your forum a little, for a brief time, at least until the media move on to something else [short-attention span].

21 zmdavid  2/20/08 9:38:48 am reply quote
But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.


Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.

22 Cognito  2/20/08 9:39:04 am reply quote

My question to both of these newspapers: why the hell don’t you contact me before running this crap? It’s not hard to find Little Green Footballs on the web, and there’s a handy contact form that sends me an email right there on every page.

23 FrogMarch  2/20/08 9:39:12 am reply quote

The modern press are inept and lazy.

LAZY AND INEPT.

And if lazy ineptitude isn't it - then the MSM clearly has an agenda.
Which is worse?

24 Cognito  2/20/08 9:39:32 am reply quote
My question to both of these newspapers: why the hell don’t you contact me before running this crap? It’s not hard to find Little Green Footballs on the web, and there’s a handy contact form that sends me an email right there on every page.

Yes, that is egregious.

25 Sharmuta  2/20/08 9:39:54 am reply quote

re:

26 the jinxmedic  2/20/08 9:40:19 am reply quote

Perhaps they should interview Ron Paul! supporters in place of Charles. That would certainly open up a new ring in the media circus!

27 Shug  2/20/08 9:40:19 am reply quote
Zachary Lowe, a special agent in the St. Louis office of the FBI, said Tuesday that while he could not confirm an investigation, the bureau “takes all threats against people very seriously, especially religious and ethnic groups.”

except when Debbie Schlussel gets death threats

I've spoken with her about this.
The FBI did NOTHING to help her

28 debutaunt  2/20/08 9:40:35 am reply quote

re: #21 zmdavid

But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.

Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.



At what point did it become symbolic?

29 littleoldlady  2/20/08 9:40:50 am reply quote

Can't you demand a printed retraction, Charles? It won't repair the damage done, but maybe next time they'll stop and actually look at LGF, or whoever CAIR decides to target next.

The press is going to keep doing these things unless somebody calls them on it.

30 Pvt Bin Jammin  2/20/08 9:40:56 am reply quote

Did anyone else notice comment #2 over at Gateway Pundit. It's from "Anonymous" at Gates of Vienna.

31 pat  2/20/08 9:41:04 am reply quote

Who funded the minaret?

32 coquimbojoe  2/20/08 9:41:06 am reply quote

re:

33 MandyManners  2/20/08 9:41:15 am reply quote

Again, let's look at the bright side: readers might come here and decide that they want to learn more about Islam and its threat to civilization.

34 BuddyG  2/20/08 9:41:23 am reply quote

For the MSM some crap is just too good to check.

35 loppyd  2/20/08 9:41:42 am reply quote

re: #18 Ben Hur

Posted last thread (this time after spell check!):

#803 Ben Hur 2/20/08 9:32:55 am reply quote report 0

And something about this CAIR BS.

Now that the CAIR release went MSM, how many of you believe that the Americans reading the articles are saying to themselves, "Wow, that's really mean of those blogs," rather than "There building an effen what, where?"

I think CAIR has shot itself in the tentacle by giving it more publicity that Gateway ever could.

BEN HUR!

You make a great point.

36 Golem Akbar  2/20/08 9:41:43 am reply quote

I've got to think that as open as LGF is, the FBI probably won't be that much interested in investigating. No ties to Nazis, no ties to other really dangerous groups, and Charles using the Stinky Stick to delete the over-the-top comments.

I suspect some of the FBI-types are anti-idiotarians, too.

37 Wishbone  2/20/08 9:41:50 am reply quote

Is this the same St Louis where they're throwing up a tower at the local mosque, for the call to prayer, as we speak?

Deary me.

38 MandyManners  2/20/08 9:41:59 am reply quote

re: #28 debutaunt

re: #21 zmdavid


But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.

Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.


At what point did it become symbolic?

IDOLATORS! STONE THEM!

39 rawmuse  2/20/08 9:42:05 am reply quote

Journalistic Malfeasance should be punishable by law.

40 Kosh's Shadow  2/20/08 9:42:55 am reply quote

re: #21 zmdavid

But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.


Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.

What could they be if not loudspeakers? Qassam missile launchers?

41 Nevergiveup  2/20/08 9:43:01 am reply quote

re: #39 rawmuse

Journalistic Malfeasance should be punishable by law.

We don't have enough jail space!

42 coquimbojoe  2/20/08 9:43:17 am reply quote

re: #21 zmdavid

But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.


Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.

It is symbolic of Islamic law laying claim to the land. I wish I could find the link to that, but I read somewhere in the last year that minarets signified the rule of Sharia. Anybody know what I'm talking about?

43 Wishbone  2/20/08 9:43:25 am reply quote

re:

44 looking closely  2/20/08 9:43:33 am reply quote

If CAIR complains everytime someone posts something negative about Muslims on the internet, they're going to be the "boy who cried wolf" laughingstock of Federal law enforcement (if they aren't already).

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the room of the FBI office where this complaint was received.

45 Cognito  2/20/08 9:43:56 am reply quote

re: #39 rawmuse

Journalistic Malfeasance should be punishable by law.

re: #29 littleoldlady

Can't you demand a printed retraction, Charles? It won't repair the damage done, but maybe next time they'll stop and actually look at LGF, or whoever CAIR decides to target next.

The press is going to keep doing these things unless somebody calls them on it.

Oh, wow -- which part of this story warrants jail time, exactly?

46 loppyd  2/20/08 9:44:07 am reply quote

Is it a hate crime to hate CAIR?

47 MandyManners  2/20/08 9:44:16 am reply quote

re: #31 pat

Who funded the minaret?

Sharif?

48 pegcity  2/20/08 9:44:25 am reply quote

Yeah and the Thule Society was a German Civil rights organisation.

49 ec marm  2/20/08 9:44:35 am reply quote

Repeating what I said this morning:

If CAIR has to devote some of their Saudi money to paying the salary of someone to cherry pick the statistically insignificant 'over the top' comment that gets made her, that is that much less money they have to spend on those activities that get them in trouble with the law.
50 Cognito  2/20/08 9:44:52 am reply quote

re:

51 Sloatsburgh  2/20/08 9:44:55 am reply quote

Journalism is no longer about investigation. It's nothing more than relaying comments made by people/groups.

52 debutaunt  2/20/08 9:44:58 am reply quote

re: #42 coquimbojoe

re: #21 zmdavid


But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.

Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.

It is symbolic of Islamic law laying claim to the land. I wish I could find the link to that, but I read somewhere in the last year that minarets signified the rule of Sharia. Anybody know what I'm talking about?

The lovely message get out even without working loudspeakers.

53 israel4ever  2/20/08 9:45:00 am reply quote

WOW - the media didn't bother to investigate? They just printed crap straight from CAIR? I'm so. shocked.

/

54 MandyManners  2/20/08 9:45:09 am reply quote

re: #36 Golem Akbar

I've got to think that as open as LGF is, the FBI probably won't be that much interested in investigating. No ties to Nazis, no ties to other really dangerous groups, and Charles using the Stinky Stick to delete the over-the-top comments.

I suspect some of the FBI-types are anti-idiotarians, too.

J. Edgar's spirit is not dead.

55 zmdavid  2/20/08 9:45:24 am reply quote

re:

56 Iron Fist  2/20/08 9:45:36 am reply quote

Charles,

My question to both of these newspapers: why the hell don’t you contact me before running this crap? It’s not hard to find Little Green Footballs on the web, and there’s a handy contact form that sends me an email right there on every page.


Come on, man, you are asking them to perform journalism. Everyone knows that is simply impossible for the MSM. They'd contact you, you'd explaine the facts, and the facts don't fit their narrative.

Can't have that happen. If the facts don't fit, you must ignore them.

That is the MSM today.

57 realwest  2/20/08 9:45:41 am reply quote

Charles, as was posted by gop_patriot on the DT,

"CAIR has hundreds of board members and employees and some 50,000 members. It would be illogical and unfair to hold CAIR responsible for the personal activities of all these people.

The fact that Elashi was once associated with one of our more than thirty regional chapters has no legal significance to our corporation given the fact that any actions taken by him were outside the scope and chronology of his association with one of our chapters."
But somehow you're responsible for people who you don't even know making asinie statements on LGF, but CAIR isn't repsonible for what their own "associates" says or does?
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Reported that to you this morning, btw, from Urban Myths or somesuch.

58 MandyManners  2/20/08 9:45:43 am reply quote

re: #39 rawmuse

Journalistic Malfeasance should be punishable by law.

NO!

59 looking closely  2/20/08 9:45:49 am reply quote

re: #36 Golem Akbar


I suspect some of the FBI-types are anti-idiotarians, too.


Some?

If the FBI didn't know what CAIR is and is up to by this point, that would be professional malpractice.

60 Sharmuta  2/20/08 9:46:25 am reply quote

Folks- if you think a comment is over the top- please ding it down and/or report it to Charles. These tools are here for us for a reason.

61 realwest  2/20/08 9:46:33 am reply quote

PIMF asinine.

62 debutaunt  2/20/08 9:46:59 am reply quote

re:

63 Shr_Nfr  2/20/08 9:47:23 am reply quote

Gee, I wonder if these people get so excited about postings that are outright treason at the DailyKos? Nah, that would make sense. In any event, the postings at a site like this are only semi-moderated and do not represent the viewpoint of the site management. I could express a viewpoint that all pigs have wings. That would not make it correct or cause LGF to be a threat to pigs. The amount of illiteracy in the msm astounds me. Maybe the posts were made by long timers (I doubt it, but it is possible), more likely they were made by folks who registered with the intent to discredit the site. Given that the msm can't tell the difference or even understand the mechanics of such a thing I have to put them into the moonbat camp.

64 coquimbojoe  2/20/08 9:47:38 am reply quote

re: #47 MandyManners

re: #31 pat

Who funded the minaret?

Sharif?

Yeah, but he don't like it....

/Just sayin'

65 Ben Hur  2/20/08 9:47:45 am reply quote

re:

66 Teacake!  2/20/08 9:47:49 am reply quote

This just goes to show you how little anything can believed in ANY "news story."

Snide remarks made among each other hardly constitutes as a dangerous threat

67 Nevergiveup  2/20/08 9:48:12 am reply quote

re: #44 looking closely

If CAIR complains everytime someone posts something negative about Muslims on the internet, they're going to be the "boy who cried wolf" laughingstock of Federal law enforcement (if they aren't already).

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the room of the FBI office where this complaint was received.

That is a great point, also Muslims have more protections under the law and in reality here in America than in all the Muslim countrys. If they fall in disfavor of the ruling elite in Saudi Arabia, lets see if they can plead their case to the Saudi internal police or their supreme court. I am sure they can right before they are beheaded.

68 Golem Akbar  2/20/08 9:48:14 am reply quote

re: #59 looking closely

re: #36 Golem Akbar


I suspect some of the FBI-types are anti-idiotarians, too.

Some?

If the FBI didn't know what CAIR is and is up to by this point, that would be professional malpractice.


You would think.

69 coquimbojoe  2/20/08 9:48:28 am reply quote

re:

70 looking closely  2/20/08 9:48:33 am reply quote

I wonder out loud if CAIR has ever been responsible for directly planting these sorts of posts in the first place.

They certainly seem to be reading every post here.

71 Wishbone  2/20/08 9:48:35 am reply quote

re:

72 CIA Reject  2/20/08 9:48:46 am reply quote

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow

re: #21 zmdavid

But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.


Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.

What could they be if not loudspeakers? Qassam missile launchers?

Oh, I dunno- maybe a couple of these?

After all ya can't have any privacy with all that nasty RF from FBI bugs blasting out all over the neighborhood can ya?

JAM IT!

73 RickZ  2/20/08 9:48:48 am reply quote

{SIGH} Why can't our intrepid media understand jihad, in all its forms and manifestations? Take a weekend off the cocktail party circuit and actually do some bloody research. That by not even publishing khartoons (plus three ringers) that caused world-wide rioting (how can you have a riots story without showing what set off these fine upstanding citizens of the world?), their "self-censorship" is worse than anything they fear (in their fevered minds) the evil Government might impose?

/Getting sick of living in Wonderland, where everything is upside down.

74 Shr_Nfr  2/20/08 9:49:01 am reply quote

re:

75 MI DB  2/20/08 9:49:07 am reply quote

My thoughts are that since CAIR reported the comments so quickly..... perhaps, just perhaps mind you....... they are the ones who left them there. Just thinking about how some of the cartoons were planted..... maybe the comments were too. It would not be unusual to think that one or two lizards might be Muslims in disguise.

76 MandyManners  2/20/08 9:49:19 am reply quote

re: #64 coquimbojoe

re: #47 MandyManners


re: #31 pat

Who funded the minaret?

77 Shug  2/20/08 9:49:21 am reply quote

re: #70 looking closely

I wonder out loud if CAIR has ever been responsible for directly planting these sorts of posts in the first place.

They certainly seem to be reading every post here.


Most of them I suspect.

78 didache  2/20/08 9:49:35 am reply quote

"One blog post cited by the group made reference to vandalism and another to the use of dynamite".

Why not just reply that the quotes were taken "out of context". That's the usual CAIR response to embarrassing Muslim quotes.

(Oh, by the way, hello Ibrahim and Ahmed, if you're reading this)

79 winston06  2/20/08 9:49:38 am reply quote

CAIR should be investigated by FBI for possible terror links.

80 littleoldlady  2/20/08 9:49:47 am reply quote

re:

81 Honorary Yooper  2/20/08 9:49:50 am reply quote

re: #71 Wishbone

re:

82 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  2/20/08 9:50:10 am reply quote

re: #70 looking closely

I wonder out loud if CAIR has ever been responsible for directly planting these sorts of posts in the first place.

They certainly seem to be reading every post here.

I know they have falsified threats in the past to drum up some news.

83 Sharmuta  2/20/08 9:50:22 am reply quote

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84 sattv4u2  2/20/08 9:50:23 am reply quote

" minaret is a tower from which the Muslim call to prayer is traditionally sounded. "
"Imam Muhamed Hasic,,,,,,,,,, said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer."

My church has a bell tower,, but it's only symbolic. Father Jim would never have it rung on lets say Easter,,, or during a wedding,,,, Good Friday at the time Jesus died!

In my house ,, we have several phones ,,, but they're only symbolic. They're not used to make calls

My son has a soccer ball, but it's only symbolic. he never uses it to play SOCCER

I'll buy that bridge in New York mode off

85 MandyManners  2/20/08 9:50:27 am reply quote

re: #71 Wishbone

re:

86 maddogg  2/20/08 9:50:48 am reply quote

I have been involved with several events that were covered by the media. I got quite an awakening as to their lack of concern for getting the facts straight.

/Can't hack math, science, logic, change your major to journalism, the last unchallenged bastion of the nitwit.

87 Ben Hur  2/20/08 9:50:50 am reply quote

Yalla. Let's set up a Council of Un-Lizard Activities Commission and start naming names!

LOL!

88 AMER1CAN  2/20/08 9:51:15 am reply quote

You can discuss the story on the KMOV forums. http://www.kmov.com/forums/

/back into hiding

89 Wishbone  2/20/08 9:51:24 am reply quote

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90 Shr_Nfr  2/20/08 9:51:37 am reply quote

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91 MandyManners  2/20/08 9:51:38 am reply quote

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re: #21 zmdavid

But Madina Masjid’s spiritual leader, Imam Muhamed Hasic, said the minaret is symbolic, not practical. There is no sound system or speakers on the minaret, which is scheduled to be completed next week. He said the minaret will not be used to call Muslims to prayer.

Are there or are there not loudspeakers on the tower? I checked the picture again, and it looks like it, but I suppose the boxes sticking out could be something else.

What could they be if not loudspeakers? Qassam missile launchers?

Oh, I dunno- maybe a couple of
92 Pickle  2/20/08 9:51:41 am reply quote

Thank CAIR every time they bring publicity to LGF, negative or not. People are going to be coming here to see if the story is true. When they find out it's not, the hate people will leave, and the people truly concerned about the threat to America posed by Islamic totalitarianism will stay and learn. This will only hurt terror-enabling groups like CAIR in the long run.

93 Go_Fish  2/20/08 9:51:46 am reply quote

Here's the email I sent to Tim Townsend, the reporter who wrote today's story:

Mr Townsend,

Just so you know, CAIR was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas funding trial in Texas last year, has had several of its officials convicted on terror-related charges, and was founded by members of an organization that was named by a Muslim Brotherhood operative as part of its "grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house." They are a propaganda organ for Islamist extremists.

CAIR is notorious for cherry picking comments out of blogs and anti-jihad websites and using them to make hysterical claims about "islamophobia", which is what they've done in this case. Few of the investigations have found any valid threats against them or Muslims in general. They have a long history of filing lawsuits and demanding police investigations of journalists and critics of their organization as a way to intimidate them into silence. Any press release from them should be taken with a large grain of salt. I wouldn't trust them as a source.

Here is some background on CAIR and what they're up to:

[Link: www.anti-cair-net.org...]

[Link: www.americansagainsthate.org...]

Information about global jihad and terror:

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

I just got his response about an hour ago:

Thanks, Robert. I know what CAIR is. I cover religion, I know all the St. Louis-area CAIR members, and I do trust them as sources.

And here's my response to that:

Cool. Then can you ask them how CAIR justifies it's tactic of trolling and posting incendiary comments on blogs and then using them to make phony charges of harrassment?

Because that's exactly what happened here. It's called "mobying" and they've been caught doing it dozens of times. That doesn't sound very trustworthy to me.

Robert

We'll see where it goes from here.

94 hayseed  2/20/08 9:52:01 am reply quote

St. louis. com

the email ttownsend@post-dispatch.com

95 Teacake!  2/20/08 9:52:13 am reply quote

I hope Charles plans to sue CAIR for defamation or something like that.

96 Cognito  2/20/08 9:52:43 am reply quote

Wow.

I am amazed at some of the things I'm reading here.

People are minimizing and dismissing these comments -- "Snide remarks made among each other hardly constitutes as a dangerous threat" -- in a fashion that's just plain disappointing. Not to mention whining along the lines of "Well, CAIR said this..." and "Well, Kos said that..."

Moral relativism, indeed.

I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.

97 Honorary Yooper  2/20/08 9:52:50 am reply quote

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99 BGOH  2/20/08 9:53:06 am reply quote

Charles, it looks like you've been dirve-by'ed. It boggles the mind how little research "journalists" actually do these days. I would very seriously like to know who exactly creates the template for the media, because it is incredible how many different media institutions pick up the same themes in such a short peroind of time and all fall in line. There has to be one person somewhere sending subliminal messages to people in print and television media. There is no other rational explanation.

Either that or they're just a bunch of libs with the same worldview. Nah...the conspiracy theory is much more fun. I'm gonna roll with it!

100 Wishbone  2/20/08 9:53:12 am reply quote

No, really.

How long have I been posting and lurking about on LGF?

You'd think I would have, sort of, noticed that by now eh?

I blame my subconscious.

101 loppyd  2/20/08 9:53:24 am reply quote

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104 Cognito  2/20/08 9:54:03 am reply quote

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Oh, wow -- which part of this story warrants jail time, exactly?

Where did I say anything about jail time, exactly?!

Sorry, see my follow-up -- I wasn't sure where your quote came from, there. I meant the question for the other person quoted.

105 snowcrash  2/20/08 9:54:24 am reply quote