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An Exchange with A St. Louis Post-Dispatch Reporter

Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:01:56 am PST

Here’s a revealing series of emails between myself and St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter Tim Townsend, who published a story this morning smearing LGF on CAIR’s behalf, without ever contacting me for my side. Since Townsend used his official Post-Dispatch email account for this, I assume he has no problem with it becoming public.

From: Charles Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:56 AM
To: Tim Townsend
Subject: A very irresponsible report

Your story this morning about Little Green Footballs was incredibly irresponsible and sloppy, and I am personally offended that you did not take the time to contact me before running what is essentially a smear job.

LGF is a highly reputable blog, and we are NOT “anti-Muslim.” The Council on American Islamic Relations is singling us out because we have covered their many connections to radical Islamic organizations, and their status as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Hamas funding case.

Please see this post at LGF for more details:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com...

You owe me an update to your story and an apology for failing to contact me for my side of it.

Charles Johnson
http://littlegreenfootballs.com

————————

On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Tim Townsend wrote:

Mr. Johnson,

Who said your blog was “anti-Muslim”? Not me.

Thanks,

Tim

————————

From: Charles Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:08 PM
To: Tim Townsend
Subject: Re: A very irresponsible report

Is that the only reply I can expect from you on this?

CJ

————————

On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Tim Townsend wrote:

Answer my question.

————————

From: Charles Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:10 PM
To: Tim Townsend
Subject: Re: A very irresponsible report

I take that as a yes.

CJ

————————

On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Tim Townsend wrote:

I’ll take your unwillingness to answer my question as evidence that
you can’t.

————————

From: Charles Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:22 PM
To: Tim Townsend
Subject: Re: A very irresponsible report

And I’ll take your unwillingness to address a single other point in my email as evidence that you know you’re in the wrong.

CJ

————————

On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Tim Townsend wrote:

Oooohh. You’re like a master of logic. So smart.

————————

From: Charles Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:28 PM
To: Tim Townsend
Subject: Re: A very irresponsible report

This little thread of emails will be forwarded to your editors, by the way.

You may want to brush up on reading comprehension as well, because I did not say you wrote “anti-Muslim”. If you had bothered to read my post on the matter, you would know where that comes from.

CJ

————————

On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:42 AM, Tim Townsend wrote:

Wow, you’re going to TELL on me?

You ranted to a reporter, demanding an apology for his story, and wrote “LGF is a highly reputable blog, and we are NOT ‘anti-Muslim.’” How could you possibly think I would not take that as directed at the story?

————————

From: Charles Johnson [mailto:charles@littlegreenfootballs.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:48 PM
To: Tim Townsend
Subject: Re: A very irresponsible report

Now that your question has been answered, do you plan to address
anything else in my email?

CJ

————————

On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Tim Townsend wrote:

Nope. Thanks, though.

Isn’t modern journalism wonderful?

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1 hayseed  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:02:47am

go get him charles

2 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:03:25am

*rubbing hands together*

this is going to be GOOOOOOOD.

//where's the popcorn pudding?

3 Gordon Marock  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:04:50am

I can summarize Townsend's side "Nanny Nanny Frickin' Boo Boo."

4 HolmWrecker  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:05:50am

What is this townsend fool like 12 years old?

5 piraticalbob  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:05:58am

Arrogant little pissant, isn't he?

*Bugs Bunny Voice* Of course you realize, this means war!

6 Panhandler  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:06:12am

I really, really hate to see the MSM having to continuiously defend themselves in the public arena from attacks by those less enlightned.
/NOT!

7 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:06:22am

Why is it that when I read his replys the image of a scruffy looking 8 year old boy comes to mind?

8 victor_yugo  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:06:33am

Asshole.

Asshat.

Monkey turd.

Gotta head to work, so I'll leave it at that.

(But at least I work for my paycheck, which is more than I can say for Tim Townsend.)

9 daughter of patriots  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:07:08am

I wonder which journalism school Mr. Townsend spent 4 years in.

10 grumpy old codger  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:07:36am

Spin, Spin, as fast as you can,
You can't touch me, I'm a reporter, Man!

MSM theme song

11 mekan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:07:47am

Charles,
This is why most in the city don't bother with that paper. I have forwarded an email to 97.1 talk radio to see if they will contact you about this issue. This 'journalism' is so very infuriating. Please don't let this stand.

One more thing. There were no threats against a mosque. The threats were against a minaret and the loudspeakers on that tower. I and others called for civility when dealing with this issue.

12 JWM  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:07:56am

Indistiguishable from arguing with a low grade troll.
And just about as pointless.
Hey, Tim. C-/D+ on the troll scale.

JWM

13 nickthename  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:08:13am

what a tool

14 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:08:15am

Arrogant, condescending, disingenuous.....and they wonder why they're losing their audience.

15 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:08:27am

Charles, for the love of God please don't get involved in a battle with a wordsmith of this caliber! The man can weave a tapestry of logic the likes of which are, even now, making me re-think some of my basic assumptions of society.

/

16 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:08:34am

You do realize that he is prolly getting tons of emails from offended people like me, he might be a tad cranky.

Not that this is in any way excusing his lack of professionalism. I just think it's fun to think of him getting frustrated at the continuous chiming of "You've got mail!" on his computer.

17 Catttt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:08:57am

Un-freaking-real.

I am front-line in my job and talk or correspond with hundreds of customers. If I used Mr. Townsend's tone with ANYONE whatsoever, I would be out on my keester before you could sneeze.

18 Panhandler  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:08:57am

Grauate cum laude of the "Close cover before striking" School of Journalistic Ethics and Air Conditioning Repair

19 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:08:59am

A**hole punk journalist...

Holier than thou...

20 RickZ  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:09:02am

re: #5 piraticalbob

Arrogant little pissant, isn't he?

Shhh! He doesn't know it and we wouldn't want to wake the sleeping little worm. "Arrogant little pissant." LOL! Too perfect.

21 storagemanager  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:09:09am

He doesn't report news...he makes it up.

22 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:09:14am

re: #7 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Hey, lay off of the scruffy looking 8 year old boys. I got one of those around here somewhere........

23 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:09:29am

We had better watch what we write here folks or we might get pegged as "anti-journalist" by CAIR and the SLPD.

/S

24 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:09:34am

re: #22 BulgarWheat

re: #7 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Hey, lay off of the scruffy looking 8 year old boys. I got one of those around here somewhere........


;)

25 sarah  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:09:44am

Mr. Townshed,
Please read the disclaimers that we are simple commentors and they do not reflect Mr. Johnson at all. Answer his questions in a professional way, as you are not professional.

Oh and piss off,
Sarah

26 Maximu§  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:10:27am

On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Tim Townsend wrote:

Oooohh. You’re like a master of logic. So smart.

So professional...Ive seen High school newspaper reporters with more integrity.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

27 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:10:29am

He's a dope.

28 realwest  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:10:34am

Well hell, Charles, since the reporter has said to Go_Fish (at #93 in the prior thread) that he knows all of the CAIR members in the area and he trusts them, why would you expect him to actually, you know, investigate the accuracy of what his buddies at CAIR told him? He obviously has no reason to think they weren't telling the truth - he trusts them.

Journalism, as practiced by this creep, is almost giving Dan Rather an improved image! LOL!

29 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:10:40am

What a worm.

30 SunCat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:11:00am

If journalists and college professors were, on the whole, rational and decent like Nat Hentoff I would respect them more. If seems that most journalists and professors are of The Weathermen mold. Damn shame they are now in positions of power. No possibility of dialog with True Believers.

31 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:11:17am

The thot plickens.

32 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:11:19am

re: #16 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You do realize that he is prolly getting tons of emails from offended people like me, he might be a tad cranky.

Not that this is in any way excusing his lack of professionalism. I just think it's fun to think of him getting frustrated at the continuous chiming of "You've got mail!" on his computer.

He got one from me.
God knows how many more.

It's time decent people stand up in the face of slander and crap like this.

33 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:11:22am

Where'd he go to school? Columbia?

34 Jfundie  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:11:24am

It is a standard journalistic rule to ask for a response of BOTH parties.

These guys are not reporters, they're tabloid apes.

35 brent  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:11:24am
You ranted to a reporter, demanding an apology for his story

It's his story, Charles, not yours.... You are not the important one here, he is. His story.

What a tool - I wonder if he would feel the same about all his stories. It's not the economy that's important, it's his treatment of it. I could go on, but it hurts my heart that he has a keyboard and a place to air out his tripe.

36 inkling  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:11:36am

Charles, you get millions more readers than Mr. Townsend will ever get. He's in a dying industry while you're helping to lead its replacement. It's natural for him to be bitter and petty. Insolence is all he has left.

37 hayseed  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:11:47am

I recieved the same lame answer.

Who said LGF was a hate site, John? Not me. Try reading the story before
e-mailing the reporter next time

38 Desert Dog  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:11:49am

But, hey, he's an unbiased "Jooournalist", only gathering the facts and reporting them without a slant, right? right?

I cannot understand why newspaper circulation around the USA is going down with professionals such as this gentleman doing the reporting...not.

39 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:11:51am

The funny is that now this "Timmah" (No insult to TImmah on SouthPark) is going to be very busy trolling about and looking to stir up the pot.

The FBI will behave professionally, this dickhead is going to take anything that he can out of context in a manner that might even shame Hoppie.

Sign, behave out there Lizards. This dickweed will be lurking about.

40 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:12:08am

re: #17 Catttt

Un-freaking-real.

I am front-line in my job and talk or correspond with hundreds of customers. If I used Mr. Townsend's tone with ANYONE whatsoever, I would be out on my keester before you could sneeze.

Point is that LGF is not the customer.

It is the target. Thus the shabby treatment and lack of fact checking / attempt at balance.

Post Modern Journalism does not require either facts, examination of alternative viewpoints or even cursory critical thinking - why do you think Obama is riding the media wave he is on?

41 Palandine  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:12:14am

Good luck with that Charles. The Post has been a liberal rag forever, but since it was bought a few years back by new owners, it's not even a well-written liberal rag anymore. My mother, who is a liberal herself, is appalled at the many typos in the Post these days. There's also very little local writing--the vast majority of the stories are taken from the wire services. But, hey, Macy's still needs somewhere to advertise.

42 gruvin  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:12:37am

RE: #4
Because leftists exist in a state of perpetual childhood oblivion

43 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:13:01am

WHORE OF THE CALIPHATE!

44 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:13:15am

I'm a JOURNALIST! How dare you question me!
/Tim Townsend

45 Panhandler  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:13:19am

re: #31 Dirk Diggler

The thot plickens.

Your dislexia won't shield you this time Dirk, we know you're a registered member of the great lizard conspiracy.

46 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:13:29am

What an unprofessional pompous asshole.

47 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:13:33am
48 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:13:43am

WHOA. Some "professional" HE is.

/NOT.

49 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:13:43am

re: #43 MandyManners

WHORE OF THE CALIPHATE!

He doesn't rate a great galloping?

50 blue eyed music lover  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:13:44am

Incredibly childish. These are they idiots that continually laud themselves as they grow into the Dan Rathers of the world. Should we nominate Townsend for a Pulitzer prize, anyone?

51 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:13:50am

Where's Cognito to tell us all how wrong we are?

52 maddogg  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:14:32am

Jesus, Townsend is a walking talking dick with legs.

53 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:14:35am

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

re: #43 MandyManners


WHORE OF THE CALIPHATE!

You forgot "Gramscian."

Is he Gramscian? Sometimes whores are just plain whores.

54 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:14:47am

OT, but this just in:

Can anyone say Presidential Nominee Obama?

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

55 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:14:57am

Reminds me of the exchanges I used to have with Jonathan Alter and Keith Olbermann; they would inevitably sink quickly into the gutter and call me all sorts of names.

Alter just hated it when I would Fisk his columns. Didn't take more than a single email for Olbermann to go apesh*t on me. He's very sensitive to ridicule.

56 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:15:03am

We've already established what he is, now we are just working on price.

57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:15:04am

Sensors have detected a dense smug, set phasers to "Rather-inate"

58 EC Marm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:15:05am
59 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:15:07am

re: #19 tfc3rid

A**hole punk journalist...

Holier than thou...

Holier than God

(Note to Townsend, CAIR, et al: that's NOT meant as equating CJ with the Deity)

(Sheeesh, th' way you gotta cover your *ss these days!)

60 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:15:20am

re: #52 maddogg

Jesus, Townsend is a walking talking dick with legs.

Don't insult dicks!

61 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:15:22am

Nomination for rotating title:

"Oooohh. You’re like a master of logic. So smart."

62 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:15:22am

Imagine a sanctimonious, overweight twerp with jelly doughnut all over his rumpled shirt, too lazy to pick up a phone and call the object of an accusatory press release before printing it, and you've probably just about got the image you need.

63 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:15:47am

Judging from a search of his name on the P-D site, he mainly writes on religion.

64 seekeroftruth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:15:49am

re: #51 MandyManners

5..4...3...2...1.... ; - )
Seriously, what a jerk this "journalist " is. Let us know how we can all help, Charles.

65 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:15:50am

re: #41 Palandine

Good luck with that Charles. The Post has been a liberal rag forever, but since it was bought a few years back by new owners, it's not even a well-written liberal rag anymore. My mother, who is a liberal herself, is appalled at the many typos in the Post these days. There's also very little local writing--the vast majority of the stories are taken from the wire services. But, hey, Macy's still needs somewhere to advertise.

And that's not likely to be all that much longer if they also continue to piss off the locals and continue their own slide into obscurity.

/Macy's and the newspapers they advertise in can rot.

66 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:16:19am

re: #58 EC Marm

Tim Townsend at work?

Where's the giant bag of Cheetos and the 2-liter bottle of Mountain Dew?

67 Israel4ever  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:16:21am

Are you KIDDING ME?

That's the response from a PROFESSIONAL reporter?

I am totally convinced that the media and the left consist of adults who never grew up. I don't know a single mature, responsible professional that would answer that way, unless they are moonbats. Incredible.

68 burntjohn  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:16:45am

Thats what you call journalistic integrity.

69 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:16:45am

Charles, who does this guy report to? His editor needs to know about the shabby journalism being practiced. The shareholders aren't going to like this one bit, either.

70 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:16:54am

re: #54 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

How about President Obama?

71 Tasty Beverage  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:16:55am

re: #9 daughter of patriots

I wonder which journalism school Mr. Townsend spent 4 years in.

Apparently he went to Boston College.

Boston College
1987 — 1991

He's probably around 38.

72 Wisenheimer  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:16:59am

Snotty little shit, ain't he?

73 FreakyBoy  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:17:04am

You'd think a journalist wouldn't hesitate to defend his writing.

You'd think.

74 chinesearithmetic  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:17:19am

J-School at Columbia, Mo. or Columbia, Manhattan, I reckon.

75 bill-tb  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:17:20am

As they layoff the old high paid dogs, they are left with the children.

76 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:17:25am

re: #54 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

OT, but this just in:

Can anyone say Presidential Nominee Obama?

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

He is going to be easier to beat than Hillary would have been.

He can't go to the center.

He can only accuse McCain of being Bush. Hardly the case given how McCain has been received within the ranks, and given McCain's track record as a "Maverick".

77 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:17:35am

re: #70 tfc3rid

re: #54 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

How about President Obama?

My advice...do your best to get out of as much debt as possible by January. I am.

78 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:17:37am

re: #54 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

OT, but this just in:

Can anyone say Presidential Nominee Obama?

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

I do believe Hillary may be toast.

79 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:17:43am

re: #64 seekeroftruth

Maybe the thing between me and Cog is actually repressed sexual desire for each other.

Nah.

80 hayseed  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:17:48am

re: #58 EC Marm

now thats funny

81 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:18:10am

re: #69 Golem Akbar

Charles, who does this guy report to? His editor needs to know about the shabby journalism being practiced. The shareholders aren't going to like this one bit, either.

They should know that this great newspaperman has just slandered thousands of decent people.

I think they will be interested in knowing more about it.

82 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:18:22am

This is one of those classic memo to self moments:

THINK BEFORE YA HIT SEND

83 Tasty Beverage  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:18:23am

Oh, someone found a better link above. Never mind.

84 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:18:24am

re: #67 Israel4ever

Are you KIDDING ME?

That's the response from a PROFESSIONAL reporter?

I am totally convinced that the media and the left consist of adults who never grew up. I don't know a single mature, responsible professional that would answer that way, unless they are moonbats. Incredible.

Maybe he drank his lunch.

85 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:18:38am

BBL

86 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:18:53am

this is journalism today? he isn't after truth. he sounds like a spoiled arrogant brat pushing his own agenda. what a snarky toad.

87 seekeroftruth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:19:06am

re: #79 MandyManners

LOL

88 Yank in the EU  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:19:11am

This "journalist" for the St. Louis Post demonstrates the mentality of some pimply kid working for the high-school news paper.

89 chinesearithmetic  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:19:14am

#71 Apparently he went to Boston College.

Boston College
1987 — 1991

Nice work! (I shudder -- BC saddled us New Yorkers with the insufferable Mike Lupica.)

90 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:19:19am

re: #77 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I've got a lot of it but I am really cutting corners to get out of it, ASAP.

91 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:19:22am

I can just hear what is going through ole tim's brain right now. "Courage, courage, courage".

92 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:19:25am

re: #64 seekeroftruth

re: #51 MandyManners

5..4...3...2...1.... ; - )
Seriously, what a jerk this "journalist " is. Let us know how we can all help, Charles.


I'm with you. Anything you need from us, Charles?

93 Catttt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:19:33am

re: #40 karmic_inquisitor

re: #17 Catttt


Un-freaking-real.

I am front-line in my job and talk or correspond with hundreds of customers. If I used Mr. Townsend's tone with ANYONE whatsoever, I would be out on my keester before you could sneeze.


Point is that LGF is not the customer.

It is the target. Thus the shabby treatment and lack of fact checking / attempt at balance.

Post Modern Journalism does not require either facts, examination of alternative viewpoints or even cursory critical thinking - why do you think Obama is riding the media wave he is on?

Yeah, I dig their mindset. It really ticks me off, though.

94 Maximu§  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:19:34am

#75 bill-tb
As they layoff the old high paid dogs, they are left with the children.

Well put, but Puppies is more like it.

95 SunCat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:19:34am

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

re: #43 MandyManners

WHORE OF THE CALIPHATE!

You forgot "Gramscian."


I once was puzzled by the term "Gramscian Whore". Then I looked up Antonio Gramsci. It seems that many Baby Boomers believed all the leftwing porridge that was placed before them.

96 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:19:36am

re: #33 Ward Cleaver

Where'd he go to school? Columbia?

Go to the head of the class, my man.

Tim Townsend has been the religion reporter at the Post-Dispatch since June 2004. He previously covered personal finance and consumer news for The Wall Street Journal. His religion reporting has appeared in The New York Times, The Boston Globe Sunday Magazine, The Chicago Tribune Sunday Magazine and The Village Voice. He holds master's degrees from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and Yale Divinity School. In 2005 he won the Templeton Religion Reporter of the Year Award, given by the Religion Newswriters Association.

Check out the bad goatee covering up his chins.

97 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:19:40am

This is what passes as discourse from a man who uses language in his job? Mom and Dad should ask for a refund from his college.

98 ModerateWolverine  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:19:48am

I'm so glad the time has come for bloggers like Charles and his Lizard Army tofinally show what true, reasoned, journalism can be.

I'm pretty young, so I don't really know exactly when the MSM fell off the deep end. Actually, were they ever respectable or was it always a sham with little kids like this?

99 mojo9  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:19:54am

that's why i don't read the fishwrap anymore.

100 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:20:02am

It's all starting to make sense....
Muslims, Christians find common ground here By Tim Townsend

Panorama of Islam (Paperback) by Tim Townsend (Editor)

Mosques are struggling By Tim Townsend

101 friarstale  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:20:08am

once again, folks, here it is:
The CIAR Song!

102 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:20:17am

Don Henley got it right:

Dirty little secrets
Dirty little lies
We got our dirty little fingers in everybodys pie
We love to cut you down to size
We love dirty laundry

We can do the innuendo
We can dance and sing
When its said and done we havent told you a thing
We all know that crap is king
Give us dirty laundry!

103 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:20:24am

re: #34 Jfundie

It is a standard journalistic rule to ask for a response of BOTH parties.

These guys are not reporters, they're tabloid apes.

Don't tell him how to do his phony-baloney job!

104 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:20:27am

re: #87 seekeroftruth

I'm a seeker of truth, no matter where it takes me.

105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:20:31am

re: #84 MandyManners

re: #67 Israel4ever


Are you KIDDING ME?

That's the response from a PROFESSIONAL reporter?

I am totally convinced that the media and the left consist of adults who never grew up. I don't know a single mature, responsible professional that would answer that way, unless they are moonbats. Incredible.


Maybe he drank his lunch.

Only when CAIR is picking up the tab

106 gymnast  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:20:35am

Tim Townsend. Bachelors Degree in Divinity from Yale, Masters in Journalism from Columbia. Asshole from God.

107 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:20:54am

Here's his page at the paper

108 Wishbone  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:20:58am

re: #79 MandyManners

Maybe the thing between me and Cog is actually repressed sexual desire for each other.

You know, Mandy............. I seriously need to not think about that at all.

109 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:21:03am

re: #88 Yank in the EU

This "journalist" for the St. Louis Post demonstrates the mentality of some pimply kid working for the high-school news paper.

Mike Royko this asshat ain't.

110 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:21:17am

Wooooo!
I wouldn't want to be at odds with lizardia.
What power of digging out the truth LOL

111 Topspin Lob  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:21:31am

Charles, a little friendly advice?

I'm a journalist... Here's what you should do:

When this happens again. Call, do not email, but call the Managing Editor. Calmly explain the situation/your side. DO NOT use language such as "You Owe Me." Reporters are hassled frequently by Public Relations persons who are always shilling for their clients. "You Owe Me" is a favorite refrain of a shrill PR person who's ticked that their client got bad/no press. It puts you in the "Ignore this Insane Person" box.

Encourage all contact through telephone. Use email as a follow-up tool or as a way of verifying the accuracy of your quotes or basic info such as name, number of readers, etc.

DO NOT directly call a reporter directly. Contact his boss (Managing Editor usually). DO NOTE specifically state things such as: "This little thread of emails will be forwarded to your editors." Be more vague. Such as: "I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to escalate this matter." Keep the editor/reporter guessing as to what you are going to do next. Contact a lawyer? Are you friends with his/her publisher?

112 zmdavid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:21:36am

Apparently Tim Townsend won an award from Christian Century magazine in 2005. I clicked the link to try to find what it was for but it didn't load.

113 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:21:39am

Charles,

For a 'Religion' reporter, he sure doesn't seem to have the patience of Job in his sesponses to you...

114 ladycatnip  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:21:45am

The immaturity, lack of professionalism and writing skills is stunning. No wonder the media is considered the bottom-feeder of news reporting.

Thanks for all you do Charles.

115 Jfundie  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:21:52am

re: #100 Killgore Trout

It's all starting to make sense....
Muslims, Christians find common ground here By Tim Townsend

Panorama of Islam (Paperback) by Tim Townsend (Editor)

Mosques are struggling By Tim Townsend

Check his income.

Follow da moneh.

116 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:21:53am

Charles-here's some background and a cute pic of your new friend from St. Louis.

Tim Townsend has been the religion reporter at the Post-Dispatch since June 2004. He previously covered personal finance and consumer news for The Wall Street Journal. His religion reporting has appeared in The New York Times, The Boston Globe Sunday Magazine, The Chicago Tribune Sunday Magazine and The Village Voice. He holds master's degrees from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and Yale Divinity School. In 2005 he won the Templeton Religion Reporter of the Year Award, given by the Religion Newswriters Association

117 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:22:04am

re: #100 Killgore Trout

He's a dhimmi.

118 Catttt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:22:06am
119 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:22:16am

re: #82 WriterMom,

And never, ever say something in an email you wouldn't want to see plastered all over the internet. On a blog with 100,000 (give or take) daily readers :-)

120 The Jinxmedic  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:22:26am

re: #61 Creeping Eruption

Nomination for rotating title:

"Oooohh. You’re like a master of logic. So smart."

-I second this suggestion. Wear their ridicule as a badge of honor! Or something.

121 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:22:27am

re: #107 Kenneth

He holds master's degrees from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and Yale Divinity School.


Heh.

122 hayseed  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:22:38am

I also asked TT.."tim townsend" if he ever read any of the Koran. he did not answer that one.

123 Wisenheimer  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:22:39am

re: #61 Creeping Eruption

Nomination for rotating title:

"Oooohh. You’re like a master of logic. So smart."

Seconded.

124 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:22:48am

re: #104 MandyManners

re: #87 seekeroftruth

I'm a seeker of truth, no matter where it takes me.

Oh, my goodness. How did your nic get into my answer?!

125 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:22:50am

Well, in defense of Mr. Townsend, (defense of Mr. Townsend - did I really type that?), he didn't say LGF was an anti-muslim website. That actually came from the cretin who wrote the story for KMOV. But Mr. Townsend is still a sanctimonious jerk.

126 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:23:08am

re: #112 zmdavid

See #100

127 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:23:16am

The new journalistic standard. Reporting by press release.

Receive press release, forward to editor under byline, spend the rest of the day at DailyKos.

Mr. Townsend, have you every in your entire life heard of the 5Ws?

Hint:
1) Who
2) What
3) Where
4) When
5) Why

You covered half of 1) the complainant side, but not the accused. You just printed the complainants 2) nothing more. Doubt you did any research of 3) visiting LGF and using the provided search function. Didn't cover 4) or 5).

Score:
1) 10 of 20
2) 5 of 20
3) 0 of 20
4) 0 of 20
5) 0 of 20

15 out of 100 on journalistic basics.

128 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:23:25am

re: #103 Dar ul Harb
Hah! A Blazing Saddles allusion, not bad at all. This is just sad. Edward R. Murrow needs to come back and bitch slap all these faux journalists.

129 seekeroftruth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:23:28am

re: #104 MandyManners

Me too - thus my screen name. My journey began on 9/11.

130 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:23:34am

He knows who these guys are, and considers them trusted sources...

(i.e. he'll take their word for it.)

131 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:23:40am

re: #119 Iron Fist

FOR SURE

132 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:23:47am

re: #96 JammieWearingFool

chins

Would that give him a valid claim to being a heavyweight. His article sure doesn't.

133 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:23:54am

re: #98 ModerateWolverine

I'm so glad the time has come for bloggers like Charles and his Lizard Army tofinally show what true, reasoned, journalism can be.

I'm pretty young, so I don't really know exactly when the MSM fell off the deep end. Actually, were they ever respectable or was it always a sham with little kids like this?


The blogosphere is doing major hurt on the print media, with LGF and similar blogs taking its toll on the MSM's unthinking leftist tilt. Stick around for awhile. It'll be fun and educational, too.

134 3 wood  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:24:03am

Actually, this guy's petulant, superior attitude is quite in keeping with most of the reporters I have had to deal with in my career.

My guess is his editors will be quite similar.

135 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:24:13am

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #84 MandyManners


re: #67 Israel4ever

Are you KIDDING ME?
That's the response from a PROFESSIONAL reporter?

I am totally convinced that the media and the left consist of adults who never grew up. I don't know a single mature, responsible professional that would answer that way, unless they are moonbats. Incredible.


Maybe he drank his lunch.

Only when CAIR is picking up the tab

Or, doing something else for him 'cause that stuff is haraam.

Oh, wait. They could use booze as a form of taqqiyah.

136 Catttt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:24:20am

What will be Mr. Townsend's new word in the Urban Dictionary? Let me think....

137 Maximu§  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:24:33am

You embarrased him Charles and his reaction proves my point.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

138 maddogg  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:24:35am

Little Timmy Townsend, poster boy for the modern journalist.

No wonder the msm is circling the drain. Their talent and integrity reservoir is the size of a puddle of rat whiz.

139 christheprofessor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:24:42am

re: #96 JammieWearingFool

Those may just be aspirations (ASSpirations?)... The date on that bio is -- 8/5/2050...


/what a freakin' dolt!

140 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:24:42am

re: #71 Tasty Beverage


Tim Townsend has been the religion reporter at the Post-Dispatch since June 2004. He previously covered personal finance and consumer news for The Wall Street Journal. His religion reporting has appeared in The New York Times, The Boston Globe Sunday Magazine, The Chicago Tribune Sunday Magazine and The Village Voice. He holds master's degrees from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and Yale Divinity School. In 2005 he won the Templeton Religion Reporter of the Year Award, given by the Religion Newswriters Association.
141 Old Buick Tanker  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:24:43am

re: #61 Creeping Eruption

Nomination for rotating title:

"Oooohh. You’re like a master of logic. So smart."


I'll second that.

Little Timmy Townsend, new posterboy for what's wrong with newspapers today. What a childish excuse for a reporter. PIMF.

142 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:24:46am

re: #108 Wishbone

re: #79 MandyManners


Maybe the thing between me and Cog is actually repressed sexual desire for each other.

You know, Mandy............. I seriously need to not think about that at all.

Just don't tell Cognito. He jus might get a raging clue.

143 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:24:57am
144 Sounder  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:24:59am

After reading the emails, it is all about 'smearing', nothing else. This is why newspapers very soon will be dinosaur bones.

145 3rd_Bird  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:25:11am

Any chance the comments that started this mess came from CAIR, as a setup?

146 brent  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:25:31am
Boston College
1987 — 1991
He's probably around 38

And he's hit the big time at the St Louis Post-Dispatch. Woo hoo. Covering religion, to boot - to steal a line from "The Office", I don't know how you get up and go to work each day facing that. I couldn't.

Sort of the journalistic equivalent to slinging burgers in your fifties, spitting on burgers while you ponder the long list of bad choices that got you there. He gave Charles the email equivalent of the lung biscuit.

/just lost craving for Jr Bacon Cheese....

147 mrsoc  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:25:40am

re: #23 karmic_inquisitor

We had better watch what we write here folks or we might get pegged as "anti-journalist" by CAIR and the SLPD.

/S

The St Louis Pissant Dispatch?

148 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:25:47am

Speaking of journalism...here's an OT:

Transvestite TV Anchor Pakistan's Surpise Hit

149 Mekan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:26:09am

[Link: www.stltoday.com...]

The article is posted online by the Post.

150 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:26:20am

Fatboy looks like he's got some male pattern baldness developing as well.

So in a few years he'll be fat, stupid and bald.

Probably looking for a job as well.

151 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:26:24am

re: #112 zmdavid

Apparently Tim Townsend won an award from Christian Century magazine in 2005. I clicked the link to try to find what it was for but it didn't load.

Is it published by the Archbishop of Canterbury or Yale Divinity School?

152 bkm1962  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:26:31am

Incredible. My publisher would have my head and very likely my job for pulling a boned-headed stunt like this. In fact, the story would have never made print without the other side represented. Me thinks the editor has some explaining to do as well...

153 Catttt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:26:45am

re: #143 buzzsawmonkey

re: #115 Jfundie


re: #100 Killgore Trout

It's all starting to make sense....
Muslims, Christians find common ground here By Tim Townsend

Panorama of Islam (Paperback) by Tim Townsend (Editor)

Mosques are struggling By Tim Townsend


Check his income.

Follow da moneh.


I note he is sporting a goatee, the Club Insignia of the Moonbat the world over.

....and bald bikers (like my ex).

154 Da_Beerfreak  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:26:46am

An excellent example of the consequences of reducing the operating budgets of the mainstream media outlets. (For you folks in Rio Linda, that means the newspaper can only afford to hire a junior college journalism major for the minimum wage. [ pulse tips ])

155 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:26:48am
156 bcismar  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:26:59am

I'm sure the reporter never considred the possibility that Cair themselves have been cruising the site forever looking for some slight they could cry about. That CAIR possibly even got commenting privileges and played here for some time hoping to incite something juicy. And further, it is entirely possible that CAIR themselves posted or instigated the comments that they are so offended over.

Or not.

As a veteran who personally fought for the right to speak freely I will not curb my tongue for any Hirabist apology group and I hope no other American feels such a need. Speak freely, that is what I and my comrades fought to insure you could do. If you think that eye sore phallic noise post should be demolished, say so. That is a far cry less than the death threats made daily by the Hirabist for the slight of drawing a cartoon or tossing an old book in the trash.

157 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:27:10am

Ok after the return of my BP back to normal. I'll go have lunch.
God bless all lizards.
Bye for now :)

158 mrsoc  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:27:11am

re: #144 Sounder

After reading the emails, it is all about 'smearing', nothing else. This is why newspapers very soon will be dinosaur bones.

what is this thing "newspaper'? is it made of paper? what is it used for?

159 chinesearithmetic  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:27:16am

#109 Mike Royko this asshat ain't.

He's still my hero, politics aside. And it's very telling you mention him here, because his replies to outraged letters were hilarious, not smug.

160 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:27:17am

re: #116 WriterMom

Charles-here's some background and a cute pic of your new friend from St. Louis.


Tim Townsend has been the religion reporter at the Post-Dispatch since June 2004. He previously covered personal finance and consumer news for The Wall Street Journal. His religion reporting has appeared in The New York Times, The Boston Globe Sunday Magazine, The Chicago Tribune Sunday Magazine and The Village Voice. He holds master's degrees from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and Yale Divinity School. In 2005 he won the Templeton Religion Reporter of the Year Award, given by the Religion Newswriters Association

He's got the beard thing going.

161 3 wood  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:27:19am

re: #79 MandyManners


Maybe the thing between me and Cog is actually repressed sexual desire for each other.

Nah.

He's just sucking his thumb cause you told him to take a hike.

He'll be back. Arrogant jerks like that can not stay away for long.

162 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:27:26am

re: #139 christheprofessor

re: #96 JammieWearingFool

Those may just be aspirations (ASSpirations?)... The date on that bio is -- 8/5/2050...


/what a freakin' dolt!

Good catch. I was so mesmerized by the glazed look on his face I didn't even notice.

163 Promethea  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:27:40am

re: #17 Catttt

Un-freaking-real.

I am front-line in my job and talk or correspond with hundreds of customers. If I used Mr. Townsend's tone with ANYONE whatsoever, I would be out on my keester before you could sneeze.

That was my reaction too. I've had to respond to many dissatisfied customers, and my tone was always polite and professional. This silly guy is definitely not a professional.

164 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:27:48am

Bio for Tim Townsend above in link list.

165 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:28:30am

re: #153 Catttt
I had a goatee with my 'stache, then the boys became teenagers and it turned white. I shaved it off. This boy defines the term asshat.

166 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:28:39am

re: #127 jcm

Townsend's list appears to have only one W -- Weasel.

167 piraticalbob  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:28:46am

Everyone (Charles, you too) go back and read Townsend's story, he does NOT mention LGF being "anti-muslim." He DID represent LGF commenters as bloggers, but that's trifling.

The "anti-muslim" accusation came from the KMOV story. Townsend didn't write that one, as far as I know.

Charles, I'm thinking you went off half-cocked on Townsend. He's still an arrogant little pissant for the way he reacted, but he may have been in the right.

Bob

168 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:29:21am

re: #129 seekeroftruth

re: #104 MandyManners

Me too - thus my screen name. My journey began on 9/11.

I woke up then but, hit the snooze button. I was sure that Islam is not the ROP but, I didn't wake up permanently until I joined LGF.

THANK YOU, MOLLYS., WHEREVER YOU ARE!

169 antishock8  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:29:26am

Smug little asshole. He really doesn't care about CAIR's connections to terrorism. Hope he enjoys the future he's helping to build.

What a shame.

170 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:29:27am

This must be satire.

Judges praised Townsend for his "exemplary legwork and keen news judgment [which] combine to produce compelling and highly informative journalism. What stands out is the authoritative tone and relentless focus on hard news, thoroughly and fairly reported. This is journalism that takes on significant conflicts directly, calmly and analytically...This is mature work by an exceptionally talented reporter."
171 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:29:29am

re: #159 chinesearithmetic

#109 Mike Royko this asshat ain't.

He's still my hero, politics aside. And it's very telling you mention him here, because his replies to outraged letters were hilarious, not smug.

That's why I mentioned him here. This guy is no Mike Royko by any means. He could learn a thing or two about investigating a claim from Royko's articles.

172 hazzyday  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:29:34am

Does this guy even deserve to be a reporter? He is fired at any company I have worked at. It sounds to me like he agrees with CAIR and their motivations and supports. Thus the slanting and the denials and the lack of any common courtesies. Plus he knows if he starts to honestly state what he really believes he will dig himself onto a whole. Letter to the Editors is good.

173 Charles  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:29:34am

re: #125 Semper Gumbi

Well, in defense of Mr. Townsend, (defense of Mr. Townsend - did I really type that?), he didn't say LGF was an anti-muslim website. That actually came from the cretin who wrote the story for KMOV. But Mr. Townsend is still a sanctimonious jerk.

That's right -- he didn't. The phrase comes from KMOV, and that's why I linked my post about it in my email -- to explain further. Townsend jumped on it, without even reading what I wrote.

174 chubby vegan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:29:47am

I wonder if he is in his (cubicle) office now; reading these posts; typing "AM NOT!" and "YOU ARE!" over and over and over and...well, you get it.

175 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:29:54am

re: #161 3 wood
Did cog get mad and take his ball and leave?

176 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:30:05am

How to be a religion reporter in St. Louis:

1. Receive CAIR press release in email from trusted source.
2. Reword slightly, contact CAIR for additional quotes.
3. Run it past the editor for grammatical input.
4. Yes! Another deadline made.
5. ?!PROFIT?!

177 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:30:12am

re: #134 3 wood

Actually, this guy's petulant, superior attitude is quite in keeping with most of the reporters I have had to deal with in my career.

My guess is his editors will be quite similar.

If you've ever read a newspaper story about yourself, or about some topic with which you have total knowledge, you'll find that there are ALWAYS loads of errors, leaps of logic, and fundamental misunderstandings on the part of the reporter. And that is even when the reporter is at least TRYING to do a decent job. This guy clearly mailed it in, and his perception of LGF was clearly pre-formed based on what CAIR dictated to him.

178 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:30:36am

re: #167 piraticalbob


bob, See my #125. GMTA.

179 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:30:42am

re: #134 3 wood

Actually, this guy's petulant, superior attitude is quite in keeping with most of the reporters I have had to deal with in my career.

My guess is his editors will be quite similar.

That attitude is one of the things that lead me to get out of the newsroom. Well, and their castration fears when faced with a strong woman.

180 Old Buick Tanker  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:30:48am

re: #127 jcm

...
Score:
1) 10 of 20
2) 5 of 20
3) 0 of 20
4) 0 of 20
5) 0 of 20

15 out of 100 on journalistic basics.

With a score like that, he's liable to get another journalism award.

181 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:31:44am

re: #173 Charles

re: #125 Semper Gumbi


Well, in defense of Mr. Townsend, (defense of Mr. Townsend - did I really type that?), he didn't say LGF was an anti-muslim website. That actually came from the cretin who wrote the story for KMOV. But Mr. Townsend is still a sanctimonious jerk.

That's right -- he didn't. The phrase comes from KMOV, and that's why I linked my post about it in my email -- to explain further. Townsend jumped on it, without even reading what I wrote.


Thanks Charles. That makes sense.

182 zmdavid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:31:58am

re: #151 MandyManners

re: #112 zmdavid


Apparently Tim Townsend won an award from Christian Century magazine in 2005. I clicked the link to try to find what it was for but it didn't load.

Is it published by the Archbishop of Canterbury or Yale Divinity School?

I don't know about the award, I couldn't open the link. I suppose it might be the Templeton award mentioned in #116.

183 greenmamba  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:32:08am
Oooohh. You’re like a master of logic.

No Tim. Charles IS a master of logic.

184 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:32:09am

BIG JOHNSON IS RIPPING US OFF!

185 Hardcore UFO  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:32:15am

Good for you Charles. What a jackass this reporter is! I guess he earned his MSM bozo button for the day.

186 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:32:22am

Why would the article post that quote from the Gateway Pundit poster? I don't think that was hate, was it? Seemed like her opinion... And an opinion that might be shared by more people than the author thinks... Am I wrong?

187 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:32:24am

re: #150 JammieWearingFool

Fatboy looks like he's got some male pattern baldness developing as well.

So in a few years he'll be fat, stupid and bald.

Probably looking for a job as well.

"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son." -Dean Wermer

188 flyovercountry  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:32:37am

I believe that outside of professional psychic, journalist may be the laziest occupation in our society. CAIR sent this guy their propaganda, told him here is our, "research and fact check info for you." All he needed to do was type his name on the bottom, and whammo! my work for the day is done by 10:15. What time to the reporter bars open for the day in Missouri? Now, the idiot is mad that someone has actually read his work.

189 Catttt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:32:41am

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan

Speaking of journalism...here's an OT:

Transvestite TV Anchor Pakistan's Surpise Hit

Cool! Not sure why it's a hit there, but it's definitely cool.

190 Capt_Faust  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:32:55am

Hey Tim, if you bothered to read the comments section below every post Charles places on his site you would notice this...

Comments are open and unmoderated, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Little Green Footballs.
Obscene, abusive, silly, or annoying remarks may be deleted, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their views by Little Green Footballs.
Posts that contain phone numbers, addresses, or other personal information will also be deleted, as will posts that consist only of a variation on the word, "First!"
Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.
REMEMBER: posting comments at LGF is a privilege, not a right. Abuse that privilege, and your account will be blocked.

So what we say is our own opinion, not the posting opinion of Mr. Charles Johnson.

So he may tell you what he believes...

Then he gives me the privilege to tell you what I believe...

Tim,

I, Capt_Faust, believe you are a F**ktard of the utmost variety.

Go stick your head in a jihadist friendly guillotine, (ironically enough, the people you support by not exposing them, CAIR, support your death by allying themselves with jihadist fiancées, organizations, and individual fighters.)

Tim, make sure that you Eat a bag of s**t...and have a nice day.

191 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:32:57am

re: #161 3 wood

re: #79 MandyManners


Maybe the thing between me and Cog is actually repressed sexual desire for each other.
Nah.

He's just sucking his thumb cause you told him to take a hike.

He'll be back. Arrogant jerks like that can not stay away for long.

I didn't tell him to take a hike. He took his jacks and went home after some other Lizards started in on him.

192 turn  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:33:00am

Whew ... I guess Charles is still letting me log on after getting tangled up in a reply to the d..... comment yesterday morning.

Isn’t modern journalism snarkyism wonderful? Fixed that for ya, and even made up my own word to do it.

Sort of OT ..

I agree with everything Charles was saying is the last post about this being a rather large open discussion forum and as such hard for one person to moderate. I guess I've learned a little lesson over this. Although my remark was a facetious one, there are just some things (e.g. d.....) that you just shouldn't try and crack jokes about. Sorry for any hassle this may have caused.

The fact that the original d.... comment in question started with "I suppose ...." clued me right off the bat that the poster was being facetious. Hopefully somebody at the FBI will have an American sense of humor. Unfortunately in some cultures, for instance the Chinese culture, facetiousness or joking sarcasm isn't taken in the context it is given, it's almost like "does not compute." Maybe the Muslim culture is the same way, I don't know.

At any rate, I now have the proud distinction of having a comment deleted at LFG (Lizards I'm being facetious). Thanks, and keep up the good work Charles.

193 trailortrash  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:33:16am

whata maroon

194 cygnus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:33:17am

re: #5 piraticalbob

Arrogant little pissant, isn't he?

*Bugs Bunny Voice* Of course you realize, this means war!

But war isn't good for rabbits and other living things, Bugs!

/vegan moonbat off

195 RedDish  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:33:46am

Like GoFish, I also registered at KMOV---used a fake name tho, to ask them to consider their source, whether it be this TTownsend or CAir. Invite all Lizards to do so also :-)

196 cygnus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:33:46am

Oops - no offense meant to the Chubby Vegan!

197 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:33:52am

Does this guy remind anyone else of Jayson Blair?

198 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:33:59am

re: #173 Charles

re: #125 Semper Gumbi

Well, in defense of Mr. Townsend, (defense of Mr. Townsend - did I really type that?), he didn't say LGF was an anti-muslim website. That actually came from the cretin who wrote the story for KMOV. But Mr. Townsend is still a sanctimonious jerk.

That's right -- he didn't. The phrase comes from KMOV, and that's why I linked my post about it in my email -- to explain further. Townsend jumped on it, without even reading what I wrote.

Check his bio - maybe Yale divinity is planting seeds.

199 piraticalbob  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:34:45am

re 178 semper gumbi

Noted. Good catch, you get the credit.

200 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:35:02am

My son was excited because his soccer team was in the news last year. They had a nice shot of him scoring a goal. I showed the article to him when he got home. He was so excited.

He asked me, "Daddy, don't you want to be in the newspaper?" I told him that if he ever sees me in the newspaper it probably won't be a good thing and will most likely cost us a lot of money.

He'll figure it out eventually. They are the enemy.

201 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:35:09am

Well, at least he didn't call you Chuck.

202 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:35:12am

re: #180 Old Buick Tanker

re: #127 jcm

...
Score:
1) 10 of 20
2) 5 of 20
3) 0 of 20
4) 0 of 20
5) 0 of 20

15 out of 100 on journalistic basics.

With a score like that, he's liable to get another journalism award.

Maybe we can get a bunch of conservative blogs to do a piece on what a great guy he is, then have Rush, Hannity, Levin et. al. pick up on this great reporter in St. Louis.

He'd never work again.

BAWHAHAHAHAHA.

203 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:35:20am

re: #182 zmdavid

re: #151 MandyManners


re: #112 zmdavid

Apparently Tim Townsend won an award from Christian Century magazine in 2005. I clicked the link to try to find what it was for but it didn't load.

Is it published by the Archbishop of Canterbury or Yale Divinity School?

I don't know about the award, I couldn't open the link. I suppose it might be the Templeton award mentioned in #116.

I couldn't get it either.

204 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:35:52am

re: #158 mrsoc,

I use it to line bird cages :-P

205 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:35:53am

re: #177 JohnAdams

re: #134 3 wood


Actually, this guy's petulant, superior attitude is quite in keeping with most of the reporters I have had to deal with in my career.

My guess is his editors will be quite similar.


If you've ever read a newspaper story about yourself, or about some topic with which you have total knowledge, you'll find that there are ALWAYS loads of errors, leaps of logic, and fundamental misunderstandings on the part of the reporter. And that is even when the reporter is at least TRYING to do a decent job. This guy clearly mailed it in, and his perception of LGF was clearly pre-formed based on what CAIR dictated to him.


You are so right on this. Every newspaper article done on someone in my family or on someone I know has been filled with errors. My ex is a writer/columnist and he constantly 'ad-libbed' facts.

206 chubby vegan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:36:06am

re: #196 cygnus

Beat me to it. :)

207 Son Of The Godfather  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:36:17am

re: #43 MandyManners

WHORE OF THE CALIPHATE!

I think that sums it up quite nicely.
If anything, Timmy will "apologize" the same way the Berkeley council "apologized" to the Marines.

208 Watcher  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:36:17am
On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Tim Townsend wrote:

Oooohh. You’re like a master of logic. So smart.

This is, like, the tip of the spear of journalistic professionalism.

209 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:36:32am

Wel, look what we have here.

CAIR-MO: Muslims Denounce Terrorism
Source: St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Author: Tim Townsend

Looks like doughboy comes pre-approved by CAIR.

210 Spider Mensch  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:36:35am

re: #118 Catttt


now who does he remind me of?...oh yea...

[Link: www.virginmedia.com...]


"worst email chain ever!"

211 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:36:36am

re: #184 Peacekeeper

YOU AGAIN!

212 sifty  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:36:50am

What a chickensh*t little c***sucker. Another lazy journalouse prick with a face for radio.

He should respect the bloggers that are driving his kind of journalice into the unemployment line.

But I'm kinda biased and simple. There may be nuances I am not privy to.

213 turn  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:36:52am

re: #201 Peacekeeper

Well, at least he didn't call you Chuck.

Or worse yet like in "Scent of a Woman" ... Chuckie

214 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:37:08am

re: #203 MandyManners
It is the Sooooper Secret Jihadi Journalist Award.

215 Cygnus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:37:20am

re: #21 storagemanager

He doesn't report news...he makes it up.

All the news that's fit to line bird cages with.

216 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:37:51am

re: #211 WriterMom

That's right baby.

217 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:38:20am

OT GW Update.

NEW evidence has cast doubt on claims that the world’s ice-caps are melting, it emerged last night.
Satellite data shows that concerns over the levels of sea ice may have been premature.

Somebody rescue Algore's cat before he kicks it.

218 Pope Insouciance IV  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:38:24am

I understand that newspaper articles are written at a fifth grade vocabulary level.
Mr. Townsend has taken that directive and made it a personal lifestyle.

219 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:38:27am

re: #200 BulgarWheat

My son was excited because his soccer team was in the news last year. They had a nice shot of him scoring a goal. I showed the article to him when he got home. He was so excited.

He asked me, "Daddy, don't you want to be in the newspaper?" I told him that if he ever sees me in the newspaper it probably won't be a good thing and will most likely cost us a lot of money.

He'll figure it out eventually. They are the enemy.

A little back-ground music.

220 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:38:29am

re: #209 JammieWearingFool

Wel, look what we have here.

CAIR-MO: Muslims Denounce Terrorism
Source: St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Author: Tim Townsend

Looks like doughboy comes pre-approved by CAIR.

Quite the shill, isn't he. I would hope Rush, Glenn Beck, et.al. pick up on this. Maybe it needs to go national in a big way.

CAIR, you're going down!

221 musicman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:38:35am

I noticed that STL today does not allow comments from it's readers.

222 maddogg  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:38:53am

re: #175 pingjockey

re: #161 3 wood
Did cog get mad and take his ball and leave?


Cognito only has one ball?

223 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:38:59am

CAIR is an anti-Johnson organization.

224 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:39:26am

re: #204 Iron Fist

re: #158 mrsoc,

I use it to line bird cages :-P

Insulting the poor birds' anuses?

225 Canadian Guy  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:39:33am

If you look up "condescending" in the dictionary . . ..

226 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:39:40am

re: #221 musicman

I noticed that STL today does not allow comments from it's readers.

I wonder why....

afraid of the light they might shine on your cockroaches?

227 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:39:43am

re: #205 newsjunkie_ky


You are so right on this. Every newspaper article done on someone in my family or on someone I know has been filled with errors. My ex is a writer/columnist and he constantly 'ad-libbed' facts.

Yep. Every article I've ever read in which I had some personal knowledge of the story has had at least one error in it, sometimes insignificant, but always there. Our pastor has politely refused to be interviewed by the reporters that call him frequently. He says even when they mean well, they are dead as far as their understanding of religion goes.

228 JWM  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:39:44am

I sent e-mails to Hewitt, Medved, and Prager. I couldn't find a direct contact for Laura Ingrahm or Dennis Miller. Maybe we can turn up some heat on mister Townsend.
JWM

229 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:39:48am

re: #117 Sharmuta

re: #100 Killgore Trout

He's a dhimmi.

LOL,
yup.

230 Alouette  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:39:51am

What a smarmy little asshat. I wonder what his handle is at Kos and PuffHo.

231 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:40:01am

Pudding-like logic.
/Heh.

232 Shug  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:40:09am

There once was a hack named Tim
Who's journalistic skills were slim
He doesn't fact check
He says What the heck
My reader's bulbs are totally dim

233 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:40:20am

re: #188 flyovercountry,

With the LGF link, more people have likely read this piece than any other thing he has written this year. That has to sting.

234 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:40:21am

re: #219 MandyManners

Actually, for an eight year old, I think he'd like that. I'll play it for him when he gets home from school.

Thanks!

235 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:40:24am

I wonder if this dipshit even knows that CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation Trial, or ever bothered to check that out, or ever will now that Charles has informed him. Actually, I don't wonder.

236 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:40:25am

re: #207 Son Of The Godfather

re: #43 MandyManners


WHORE OF THE CALIPHATE!

I think that sums it up quite nicely.
If anything, Timmy will "apologize" the same way the Berkeley council "apologized" to the Marines.

I highly doubt the pipsqueak will apologize at all. He trusts C.A.I.R..

237 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:40:25am

There is a long and clear history of pro-Muslim apologia in Tim Townsend's writing. Which explains why CAIR selected him to send their propaganda smear to. The fact that he did not fact check his story by calling Charles, and the dismissive tone he displayed in the email, reveals his clear prejudice. Townsend was in on the game with CAIR. They warned him not to trust Charles, or talk with him. Townsend played along like a good little dhimmi.

You might even be reading this now, Tim. I hope your education at Yale Divinity School covered the concept of dhimmitude, because the shoe fits you very well.

238 Palandine  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:40:29am

Cross-post from previous thread:

Who's funding the minaret? According to their web site, the local congregation is. However, they also just bought a $1.25 million parcel of land in St. Louis County (which is separate from St. Louis city) for another mosque. Here's the story. A local Jewish group helped them with their zoning dispute with the county. Hard to say where the money came from, because no one in the media asked. The Bosnians came here with NOTHING, as refugees. Now, a little more than a decade later, they're building a mosque worth more than a million? They're thrifty people, but are they that thrifty?

By the way, now when you google "Islamic Community Center" and "St. Louis" you get a lot of hits for this story, which is going viral. it was reported in the Southast Missourian, which is a paper 100 miles away. Mahdi Bray and other Islamic bloggers are writing about it.

239 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:40:34am

My son's ex-(oh thank God!) girlfriend was a journalism student. She was looking forward to having the "power to destroy people." Did I express my gratitude sufficiently that she is an ex?!

240 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:40:38am

re: #222 maddogg
I don't know, now I'm laughing thinking about Bill Murray in Ghost Busters, "yes it is true your honor, this man has no dick!"

241 CAD Daddy  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:41:01am

.......You owe me an update to your story and an apology for failing to contact me for my side of it.

Charles Johnson
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

———————& mdash;

On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Tim Townsend wrote:

Mr. Johnson,

Your Momma.

Thanks,

Tim

———————& mdash;

From: Charles Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:08 PM
To: Tim Townsend
Subject: Re: A very irresponsible report

Is that the only reply I can expect from you on this?

CJ
———————& mdash;

On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Tim Townsend wrote:

Takes one to know one.
———————& mdash;

From: Charles Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:10 PM
To: Tim Townsend
Subject: Re: A very irresponsible report

I take that as a yes.

CJ

———————& mdash;

On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Tim Townsend wrote:

Neener, neener, neener.

242 3 wood  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:41:04am

re: #175 pingjockey

re: #161 3 wood
Did cog get mad and take his ball and leave?


I can only hope so.

On the last thread he did his usual condescending lecturing job.

Mandy invited him to leave if he did not like it.

So he said he would.

I somehow think we will manage to struggle on without him.

243 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:41:13am

re: #152 bkm1962

Incredible. My publisher would have my head and very likely my job for pulling a boned-headed stunt like this. In fact, the story would have never made print without the other side represented. Me thinks the editor has some explaining to do as well...

Good thing they have all those layers of editorial review, eh?

Isn't that right, Mr. Rather?

244 Da_Beerfreak  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:41:40am
245 Jeff R  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:41:50am

Charles, are you able to track the IP addresses of your commentors? It would be interesting to find out where the comments you had to delete originated from.

246 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:42:01am

These are the kids that as 12 year-olds get pounded on the playground for.......well, for being just like this. Now is his revenge.
/pussy

247 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:42:02am

re: #214 pingjockey

re: #203 MandyManners
It is the Sooooper Secret Jihadi Journalist Award.

Better than a Pulitzer!

248 zmdavid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:42:14am

re: #203 MandyManners

Tim Townsend of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and Cathleen Falsani of the Chicago Sun-Times won the top two reporting and writing awards, respectively, given out by the Religion Newswriters Association at its recent annual meeting in Miami. The Chicago Tribune's "Struggle for the Soul of Islam" got the best-story prize, while the Houston Chronicle's religion news section edged out a perennial winner, the Dallas Morning News, in that category for large papers.

COPYRIGHT 2005 The Christian Century Foundation
COPYRIGHT 2005 Gale Group


Sunlight has it in the spinoffs. I think I was expecting a bigger article.

249 snowcrash  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:42:55am

Al insults aside, the guy has good credentials.......why was he so arrogant and unprofessional toward Charles? I think if he were smarter he could have parlayed this into a much larger piece and drawn more attention to his own career. He doesn't seem to bright.

250 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:42:56am

lre: #228 JWM

I sent e-mails to Hewitt, Medved, and Prager. I couldn't find a direct contact for Laura Ingrahm or Dennis Miller. Maybe we can turn up some heat on mister Townsend.
JWM

I imagine I wasn't the first, but I filled Rush in on the details.

.

251 Shug  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:43:07am

Tim shills for Haters
While wearing moderate robes
He does not fool us

252 Promethea  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:43:10am

re: #98 ModerateWolverine

I'm pretty young, so I don't really know exactly when the MSM fell off the deep end. Actually, were they ever respectable or was it always a sham with little kids like this?

I believe the MSM were always like this (without the Gramscian whore baggage). It's just that now, thanks to Charles and others, we have a way of checking their biases. We can also question their basic narratives (like "the Viet Cong were noble peasant nationalists") in a way that we never could before.

Although LGF commenters often sound like a group of like-minded people, the thread a few days ago on Kosovo shows the power of this website. People had a wide variety of opinions and were citing from historical knowledge, personal experience, and many different outlooks.

Little Green Footballs is a national treasure. Thanks again, Charles.

253 wahabicorridor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:43:18am

re: #177 JohnAdams

If you've ever read a newspaper story about yourself,

Tell me about it. I once woke up to an editorial in the Washington Post targeting my husband. The swallowed hook, line and sinker some crap from a person who didn't like what he was doing - and they never contacted my husband for his side.

This shit goes on all the time.

254 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:43:21am

You guys are being unfair to Townsend, he does after all, actually make a living as a writer. By comparison I'm afraid we are but one step up from graffiti on the stall wall.
We are unfit to insult his lowliest adjectives, his loosest metaphors, his run-oningist sentences.

255 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:43:26am

re: #222 maddogg

re: #175 pingjockey

re: #161 3 wood
Did cog get mad and take his ball and leave?


Cognito only has one ball?

Oh, now I've got the Colonel Bogey March going in my head...

256 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:43:37am

That has got to be the most juvenile response I've ever seen from someone actually paid to write for a newspaper. What on earth?

257 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:43:38am

re: #248 zmdavid
How can there be a struggle for islams "soul"? It is souless.

258 3 wood  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:43:47am

re: #177 JohnAdams

If you've ever read a newspaper story about yourself, or about some topic with which you have total knowledge, you'll find that there are ALWAYS loads of errors, leaps of logic, and fundamental misunderstandings on the part of the reporter. And that is even when the reporter is at least TRYING to do a decent job. This guy clearly mailed it in, and his perception of LGF was clearly pre-formed based on what CAIR dictated to him.


It's happened to me repeatedly. I've even had a TV reporter splice a new question into a taped interview with me to change the meaning of my answer.

Townsend is clearly not interested in getting his story right. LGF is a target.

259 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:43:49am

re: #224 MandyManners,

The parrot likes to shred her's first. I don't think she bothers to actually read it, though :-)

260 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:44:15am

re: #234 BulgarWheat

re: #219 MandyManners

Actually, for an eight year old, I think he'd like that. I'll play it for him when he gets home from school.

Thanks!

I think "shit" is in the lyrics. Just so you know.

261 gymnast  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:44:30am

re: #203 MandyManners

re: #182 zmdavid

re: #151 MandyManners


re: #112 zmdavid


Apparently Tim Townsend won an award from Christian Century magazine in 2005. I clicked the link to try to find what it was for but it didn't load.


Is it published by the Archbishop of Canterbury or Yale Divinity School?


I don't know about the award, I couldn't open the link. I suppose it might be the Templeton award mentioned in #116.

I couldn't get it either.

Perhaps it was the because the award was given by the subscription only "National Proctological Review". Seems that Tim Townsend has discovered a unique oral method of giving suction enemas to Islamists.

262 Cygnus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:44:32am

re: #60 MandyManners

re: #52 maddogg

Jesus, Townsend is a walking talking dick with legs.

Don't insult dicks!

And please don't bring Jesus into it!

263 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:44:39am

re: #229 nyc redneck

re: #117 Sharmuta

re: #100 Killgore Trout

He's a dhimmi.

LOL,
yup.

Well- that's not entirely fair. He could be a revert for all we know.

264 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:45:12am

re: #247 MandyManners

re: #214 pingjockey

re: #203 MandyManners
It is the Sooooper Secret Jihadi Journalist Award.

Better than a Pulitzer!

Pays much, much better.

265 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:45:27am

re: #241 CAD Daddy

ROFLMAO!

266 zombie  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:45:39am

Charles, a legitimate multi-organizational "terrorism early warning group" is now reprinting this story in their daily bulletin -- taken directly from the Fox News site, with all the included smears against LGF as a "hate site," taken verbatim from the CAIR fraudulent press release, which was criminally reprinted as legitimate news by both Yahoo and Fox. The anti-terror group is on our side, and they still fall for the slander.

(Sorry, can't figure out how to get it to link properly -- it's in a restricted URL.)

Personally, i think you have a lawsuit in this.

267 wahabicorridor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:45:44am

re: #209 JammieWearingFool

Wel, look what we have here.

CAIR-MO: Muslims Denounce Terrorism
Source: St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Author: Tim Townsend

Looks like doughboy comes pre-approved by CAIR.


You, know, I wonder if this guy converted, Yale Divinity notwithstanding.........

268 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:46:00am

re: #209 JammieWearingFool


Today on Spot the Weasle Words I give you this quote from CAIR apologist, Tim Townsend:

"Islam does not encourage hate or terrorism against civilians. Islam stands for justice and peace,...

...did you catch it? Oh so clever, we almost missed the fact Islamists don't define non-Muslims as "civilians". Jews, & other infidels are fair game!

269 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:46:02am

re: #242 3 wood

re: #175 pingjockey


re: #161 3 wood
Did cog get mad and take his ball and leave?

I can only hope so.

On the last thread he did his usual condescending lecturing job.

Mandy invited him to leave if he did not like it.

So he said he would.

I somehow think we will manage to struggle on without him.

I DID NOT! IT WAS ANOTHER LIZARD! I DID NOT ADDRESS HIM!

270 major  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:46:03am

I just called the newspaper and asked who I could e-mail about a complaint. They said what about. I said a reporter. She said that would be the editor: Arnie Robbins. arobbins@post-dispatch.

Please be short, concise and polite.

271 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:46:09am

re: #33 Ward Cleaver

Where'd he go to school? Columbia?


Don't think so. May be where he's getting his dope.
/Where's Babba when you need her
//IT'S SATIRE!

272 mattm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:46:17am

So, um professional. Not.

Today's journalism is sad. Really, really sad.

273 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:46:19am

This has got to be the most attention this mentally challenged dipshit has ever received.

274 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:46:20am

re: #262 Cygnus

re: #60 MandyManners


re: #52 maddogg

Jesus, Townsend is a walking talking dick with legs.

Don't insult dicks!

And please don't bring Jesus into it!

From all appearances, he looks like a calzone with legs.

275 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:46:51am

re: #244 Da_Beerfreak

Hey Tim,
U cud be in dis book...

PURRRRRRRRRFECT!

276 JessK  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:47:12am

So apparently when short on journalists in St. Louis they scan 4chan and irc chats for their next prize winning writer.

277 koza  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:47:20am

I think #111 has the right approach. Talk to the managing editor. It's not too late even now. The tone of the reporter alone is worth a discussion.

The obvious tactic of CAIR and their backers is to create the illusion of popular backing by supporting a persistent drumbeat of smears and slanted reports. The obvious counter is to create even a small cost to the reporters who get lazy so that they don't reflexively echo propaganda. Repeated discussions with managing editors should do the trick.

278 egregory  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:47:32am

Mr. Johnson,

I was in a FURY after reading the reporter's email string, and looked up their contact info. to send an angry email, and then reconsidered. I believe LGF serves an incredibly important function and do not want to give LGF enemies any ammunition to further delegitimize LGF's function.

Can you outline a sort of unofficial (or official) policy on contacting these media outlets on LGF's behalf? Perhaps we should wait for you to post their contact info.? Any opinions?

Erik Gregory

279 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:47:47am

re: #260 MandyManners

Uh, sad to say the lad's heard worse from my lips.

As a consolation, we do say prayers every night as I tuck him in.

We were watching the Ohio State/Michigan game a couple years ago. Teddy Ginn returned a touchdown on a punt. At the age of 6 he jumped up and screamed "Fuck Michigan!" My mother in law was in the kitchen and enquired as to what he had said. I told her he said "Go Bucks! Beat Michigan"

The only time I've ever heard him curse.

Oh well...

280 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:47:49am

Have we considered insulting his mother?

281 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:47:51am

re: #248 zmdavid

re: #203 MandyManners


Tim Townsend of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and Cathleen Falsani of the Chicago Sun-Times won the top two reporting and writing awards, respectively, given out by the Religion Newswriters Association at its recent annual meeting in Miami. The Chicago Tribune's "Struggle for the Soul of Islam" got the best-story prize, while the Houston Chronicle's religion news section edged out a perennial winner, the Dallas Morning News, in that category for large papers.

COPYRIGHT 2005 The Christian Century Foundation
COPYRIGHT 2005 Gale Group


Sunlight has it in the spinoffs. I think I was expecting a bigger article.

Who is the Christian Century Foundation?

282 turn  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:47:54am

re: #241 CAD Daddy

ROFLMAO, written in true IowaHawk style.

283 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:47:56am

re: #258 3 wood

re: #177 JohnAdams

If you've ever read a newspaper story about yourself, or about some topic with which you have total knowledge, you'll find that there are ALWAYS loads of errors, leaps of logic, and fundamental misunderstandings on the part of the reporter. And that is even when the reporter is at least TRYING to do a decent job. This guy clearly mailed it in, and his perception of LGF was clearly pre-formed based on what CAIR dictated to him.


It's happened to me repeatedly. I've even had a TV reporter splice a new question into a taped interview with me to change the meaning of my answer.

Townsend is clearly not interested in getting his story right. LGF is a target.

My first lesson, day one in a newswriting class was: "Your first objective is to keep the reader reading." Facts came in further down the list somewhere, I think.

284 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:47:56am

Columbia School of Journalism and Yale Divinity School, huh?

For some reason I have a mental image of Mr. Townsend driving around Soulard in a Prius covered with COEXIST! bumper stickers.

285 rappmandu  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:48:02am

I sent him an e-mail with constructive criticism for his upcoming follow-up piece.

286 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:48:12am

Fill his office with 20 week old chickens.....

Pullet Surprise!

287 mean Gene  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:48:29am

re: #11 mekan

Charles,
This is why most in the city don't bother with that paper. I have forwarded an email to 97.1 talk radio to see if they will contact you about this issue. This 'journalism' is so very infuriating. Please don't let this stand.

One more thing. There were no threats against a mosque. The threats were against a minaret and the loudspeakers on that tower. I and others called for civility when dealing with this issue.

Today they are claiming there are no loudspeakers in the tower.
Well, maybe tomorrow?
They will have to obtain a variance for the noise as I'm sure it is intended that eventually the tower's speakers will spread noise more than the legal limit of 75 feet.

288 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:49:02am

re: #259 Iron Fist

re: #224 MandyManners,

The parrot likes to shred her's first. I don't think she bothers to actually read it, though :-)

Good. Who knows what she would learn reading that twaddle?

289 Canadian Guy  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:49:23am

Townsend appears to be lazy based on his reporting and a jerk based on his email.

I don't know if he's a CAIR shill -- someone with Lexus Nexus can maybe help with that one.

But he's like most reporters. He gets a press release, calls the number of the press release and is given another person to contact from the person who sent out the press release.

The CAIR press release didn't come out until 5 p.m. CT, but there's no excuse for him not contacting Charles and his editor should have not allowed the story to run without the other side being told.

And if you're reading this Mr. Townsend, posts on a blog are called "comments." The people who make them are "commenters," not "bloggers."

290 kafir  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:49:37am

[snort]

I have been interviewed for a number of press publications in the past. I have found that the number of errors in their reporting usually is 1-2 per paragraph they write.

We once had our statement mis-attributed to our competitor. Who got lauded for the statement.

The have trouble spelling my name. After I spell it out for them. One letter at a time.

Other times, when I had taught classes, with journalism, and other students attending, I found two groups close to functionally illiterate, and one group completely incapable of logical thought processes. Sadly the first group were elementary school teachers, and the second, well, I will let you guess what they majored in.

What I am saying Charles, is that these morons, who call themselves the press, think they are somehow a deities-gift-to-mere-mortals, are in fact so completely flawed in their comprehension, ability to convey, that it is not a bad thing that he didn't contact you. You might have muttered words like "fascist" to describe the islamist political efforts. Realistic word, quite accurate. He would have reported that you were mentioning fascism, and speaking favorably of it.

Understand, they are largely clueless. Most of them need to be actively ignored. Libelous words need to be countered, brought to their lawyers attention. Lawyers have a really good method of convincing their clients that they ought to get their fact straight.

This is not ad-hominem against this particular "reporter". This is long experience in dealing with the press, as an interviewee, as a teacher of next-generation of undergraduates.

You lost nothing, and they guy showed his true colors.

291 Shug  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:49:39am

Charles,

I'd think twice about forwarding this little exchange to his editor.
You're likely to get Tim a raise and a letter of commendation

292 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:49:45am

re: #269 MandyManners
Mandy, Mandy, Mandy... No need to yell. Just own up that you were mean and nasty and ran cog off into the sunset. Hahahaha. Didn't he like the rebuttals he received? Smacked around by a fact or two.

293 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:49:56am

re: #261 gymnast

re: #203 MandyManners


re: #182 zmdavid

re: #151 MandyManners

re: #112 zmdavid

Apparently Tim Townsend won an award from Christian Century magazine in 2005. I clicked the link to try to find what it was for but it didn't load.

Is it published by the Archbishop of Canterbury or Yale Divinity School?

I don't know about the award, I couldn't open the link. I suppose it might be the Templeton award mentioned in #116.

I couldn't get it either.

Perhaps it was the because the award was given by the subscription only "National Proctological Review". Seems that Tim Townsend has discovered a unique oral method of giving suction enemas to Islamists.

I'm squicked.

294 Widow'smight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:50:08am

re: #274 JammieWearingFool

Better to wear rubber boots when walking through Cowzone.

295 Whale Watcher  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:50:10am

Timmy's mommy must be so proud of her little man.

296 musicman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:50:15am

re: #262 Cygnus

re: #60 MandyManners

re: #52 maddogg

Jesus, Townsend is a walking talking dick with legs.

Don't insult dicks!

And please don't bring Jesus into it!

Amen!

297 slokat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:50:29am

re: #79 MandyManners

re: #64 seekeroftruth

Maybe the thing between me and Cog is actually repressed sexual desire for each other.

Nah.

If you get tired of Cog ... I volunteer to be for repression, next!

298 chubby vegan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:50:33am

re: #254 Peacekeeper"his run-oningist sentences"
Funny.

299 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:50:36am

re: #264 JohnAdams

re: #247 MandyManners


re: #214 pingjockey

re: #203 MandyManners
It is the Sooooper Secret Jihadi Journalist Award.

Better than a Pulitzer!

Pays much, much better.

Wonder if he gets free gas or lube jobs.

300 sillyallah  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:50:55am

As others have said, professionalism in the MSM has been dead for some time. It's just that with blogs, all of us can see it for our eyes. Having said that, Townsend takes it to a level I honestly hadn't seen before:

Oooohh. You’re like a master of logic. So smart.


That has to be a 5 year old talking.

301 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:51:07am

re: #286 jcm

Fill his office with 20 week old chickens.....

Pullet Surprise!

That sound to me like a call for violence ...to chickens.

302 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:51:28am

re: #266 zombie

Charles, a legitimate multi-organizational "terrorism early warning group" is now reprinting this story in their daily bulletin -- taken directly from the Fox News site, with all the included smears against LGF as a "hate site," taken verbatim from the CAIR fraudulent press release, which was criminally reprinted as legitimate news by both Yahoo and Fox. The anti-terror group is on our side, and they still fall for the slander.

(Sorry, can't figure out how to get it to link properly -- it's in a restricted URL.)

Personally, i think you have a lawsuit in this.

Oh, no. This must stop.

303 wahabicorridor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:51:28am

re: #258 3 wood

I've even had a TV reporter splice a new question into a taped interview with me to change the meaning of my answer.

Deborah Solomon, who does the interviews for the Sunday NYT mag got caught doing just that. Did they make her stop? Nope. Now they put a disclaimer in that she 'edits' the interviews before publishing.

spit.

304 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:51:37am

re: #270 major

I just called the newspaper and asked who I could e-mail about a complaint. They said what about. I said a reporter. She said that would be the editor: Arnie Robbins. arobbins@post-dispatch.

Please be short, concise and polite.


His editors and fellow reporters will give him a party not a reprimand.

305 sifty  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:51:47am

re: #249 snowcrash

Al insults aside, the guy has good credentials.......why was he so arrogant and unprofessional toward Charles? I think if he were smarter he could have parlayed this into a much larger piece and drawn more attention to his own career. He doesn't seem to bright.

All respect to any writers here, but to me, "good credentials" on a journalouse is like saying " those are really nice slacks on that cockroach".

From Boston to Blythe, community college to Ivy League, most writers seem to have drunk long and deep from the hate-America punch.

306 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:52:00am

re: #301 Dar ul Harb

PETA's going to be pissed.

PETA-Jihad ululuululuululuululuululuululuululuululu!

307 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:52:29am

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT JOHNSLAM!

308 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:52:48am

re: #279 BulgarWheat

re: #260 MandyManners

Uh, sad to say the lad's heard worse from my lips.

As a consolation, we do say prayers every night as I tuck him in.

We were watching the Ohio State/Michigan game a couple years ago. Teddy Ginn returned a touchdown on a punt. At the age of 6 he jumped up and screamed "Fuck Michigan!" My mother in law was in the kitchen and enquired as to what he had said. I told her he said "Go Bucks! Beat Michigan"

The only time I've ever heard him curse.

Oh well...

The Kid said something similar when the Pats lost.

309 Cygnus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:52:52am

re: #139 christheprofessor

Cute avatar! Is that your puppy?

310 itellu3times  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:53:31am

re: #98 ModerateWolverine

I'm pretty young, so I don't really know exactly when the MSM fell off the deep end. Actually, were they ever respectable or was it always a sham with little kids like this?

Well it's like this, in the long history of journalism it has not usually been respectable, it tends to attract loudmouths on every side.

Not that twentieth century American journalism was ever so different, what with muckrakers and the tabloids, but for a while, some MSM at least pretended to objectivity and/or neutrality. There is no legal requirement for this, nor maybe any ethical or moral requirement, either. Maybe objective is not the best way to sell papers, y'know? But they made some pretense of factuality and such.

So, how do we get by? FREEDOM OF SPEECH. At least we're free to respond, and hear alternate viewpoints.

Note that Thomas Jefferson secretly sponsored attack journalism on his opponents. There is nothing new under the sun!

The whole blog media channel is much wider and more agile than paper journalism, and the consequences of that are still shaking out.

311 eff plus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:53:56am

Why does he have a hamster glued to his chin?

312 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:54:05am

re: #306 BulgarWheat

Vegatarian=old tribal name for one who can't hunt or fish.
PETA=people eating tasty animals.

313 mean Gene  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:54:06am

re: #267 wahabicorridor

re: #209 JammieWearingFool

Wel, look what we have here.

CAIR-MO: Muslims Denounce Terrorism
Source: St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Author: Tim Townsend

Looks like doughboy comes pre-approved by CAIR.


You, know, I wonder if this guy converted, Yale Divinity notwithstanding.........

A quote from Tim's story there:

"Be loud," Matos said. "Islam does not encourage hate or terrorism against civilians.

Now, I wonder who Tim thinks Islam sees as "civilians?"
Not your average Israeli whether man, woman OR child.
Not the adults in the rest of dar al harb (the ''realm of war") either....killing them is punishment straight from allah.
And as for the youngsters in dar al harb, killing them saves them from becoming full-blown adult infidels, so, that's also a good thing.
In fact, who DOES Islam designate as a ''civilian'' other than their own Muslim human shields?

314 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:54:08am

re: #292 pingjockey

re: #269 MandyManners
Mandy, Mandy, Mandy... No need to yell. Just own up that you were mean and nasty and ran cog off into the sunset. Hahahaha. Didn't he like the rebuttals he received? Smacked around by a fact or two.

I never addressed him.

315 Charles  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:54:39am

re: #278 egregory

Mr. Johnson,

I was in a FURY after reading the reporter's email string, and looked up their contact info. to send an angry email, and then reconsidered. I believe LGF serves an incredibly important function and do not want to give LGF enemies any ammunition to further delegitimize LGF's function.

Can you outline a sort of unofficial (or official) policy on contacting these media outlets on LGF's behalf? Perhaps we should wait for you to post their contact info.? Any opinions?

Erik Gregory

I don't really want to outline an official policy on this, but the more email a place like the Post-Dispatch gets, the more attention they will pay to it.

Just refrain from personal insults and profanity, please. Strong outrage is good.

316 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:54:45am

re: #300 sillyallah

As others have said, professionalism in the MSM has been dead for some time. It's just that with blogs, all of us can see it for our eyes. Having said that, Townsend takes it to a level I honestly hadn't seen before:


Oooohh. You’re like a master of logic. So smart.


That has to be a 5 year old talking.

No doubt- I mean- how is one supposed to take the guy seriously now?

317 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:54:48am

He probably hangs with Reaganite...

318 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:54:56am

re: #297 slokat

re: #79 MandyManners


re: #64 seekeroftruth

Maybe the thing between me and Cog is actually repressed sexual desire for each other.

Nah.


If you get tired of Cog ... I volunteer to be for repression, next!

Not gonna' go there.

319 Cygnus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:55:03am

re: #165 pingjockey

re: #153 Catttt
I had a goatee with my 'stache, then the boys became teenagers and it turned white. I shaved it off. This boy defines the term asshat.

Other you could be mistaken for Col. Sanders.

320 wahabicorridor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:55:28am

re: #280 Peacekeeper

Have we considered insulting his mother?

Are we assuming he has one?

321 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:55:33am

Charles,
Please clarify.

Oooohh. You’re like a master of logic. So smart.


Are you ACTUALLY a master of logic? Or are you simply like a master of logic?
/What could I put here?

322 JessK  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:55:54am

re: #253 wahabicorridor

Too true. We hosted an old family friend who was working on a story for her local news station on people speeding through Manatee Zones in our area. After an entire week we asked her how it was going to which she replied, quite annoyed, "We haven't seen a single person speeding!"

Mother, who went to Journalism school with this woman in her youth, said "Well there's your story. No one's speeding and your assumptions were wrong."

Her friend laughed saying "No, no, that's not the story we came to do." like it was common sense to not report the truth and you can imagine my family's disgust at the attitude. Journalistic Integrity has become an oxymoron.

323 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:56:02am

re: #314 MandyManners
Really?! Well good on my fellow lizards then.

324 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:56:02am

Here's another photo of burger boy.

325 MJ  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:56:22am

None of this alters the fact that CAIR is a terrror-supporting front group.

326 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:56:35am

re: #311 eff plus

Why does he have a hamster glued to his chin?

Because he lost his gerbil.

327 rappmandu  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:56:45am

Oh, to be a fly on the wall while Tim and his boss have a little talk.

328 Shug  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:56:53am

Tim,
Are you enjoying your new Persian rug?

329 3 wood  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:56:58am

re: #269 MandyManners

I DID NOT! IT WAS ANOTHER LIZARD! I DID NOT ADDRESS HIM!

Okay, things have been happening so fast I thought it was you. Sorry.

330 Go_Fish  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:57:04am

I just emailed you Charles. It looks like the story may be headed down the memory hole. It's no longer on the main news pages. As of 1:45pm Central there is a link to it in the Religion section. I'll have to check it against the print edition when I get home tonite but I suspect it's been edited. I don't see a reference to the phrase "anti-Muslim".

[Link: www.stltoday.com...]

Funny though how in this one they don't quote any local CAIR representatives. They quote Ibrahim Hooper. You'd think the local chapter would have something to say about all this.

331 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:57:05am

re: #303 wahabicorridor

re: #258 3 wood

I've even had a TV reporter splice a new question into a taped interview with me to change the meaning of my answer.

Deborah Solomon, who does the interviews for the Sunday NYT mag got caught doing just that. Did they make her stop? Nope. Now they put a disclaimer in that she 'edits' the interviews before publishing.

spit.

The press leans heavily on the "gray areas." The Times has been snickering behind that "All the news that's fit to print" banner for years.

332 chubby vegan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:57:06am

Did the comment type size just change? Or did my laptop or eyes mess up?

333 egregory  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:57:18am

re: #315 Charles

Dude, you've got the Star Trek Gorn as your icon. Right on!

Will write a politely worded email to the Post Dispatch. Thanx for responding.

Erik Gregory

334 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:57:22am

re: #319 Cygnus
Not with the handlebar growing off my upper lip, LOL.

335 Jamie  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:57:29am

When you say "we are not 'anti-Muslim'," you sort of invite the defense that Townsend employed. It suggests that he said LGF was anti-Muslim, when he (correctly) notes that he didn't say so.

336 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:57:31am

re: #308 MandyManners

Eh, we do what we can with the kids. He knows he's loved, but he also knows what not to do.

A much better kid than I ever was. He takes after his Mom. God, I love that little guy!

337 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:57:41am

re: #235 JohnAdams

I wonder if this dipshit even knows that CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation Trial, or ever bothered to check that out, or ever will now that Charles has informed him. Actually, I don't wonder.

If he spent time at Columbia and Yale, he probably admires the heck out of CAIR for speaking truth to power, standing up to THE MAN, and raising funds for those cool looking freedom fighters! //

338 artiste  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:57:52am

I see there's renewed enthusiasm on this site for a fight with CAIR, and against radical Islam.

I've noticed that the forces of light have waged a successful campaign against the Church of Scientology, which is openly scorned despite its superstar messiahs.

Maybe imitate what the anti-Co$ people are doing.

339 Promethea  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:57:52am

re: #156 bcismar

If you think that eye sore phallic noise post should be demolished, say so.

I think that eye sore phallic noise post should be demolished.

We know that Muslims build their phallic towers to (1) mark their territory the way dogs pee on fire hydrants and (2) to show their domination over all other religions.

For an interesting example of #2, go to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem and see how the Muslims built their minaret to tower over this very holy Christian site. It's very conspicuous and annoying.

340 antishock8  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:57:52am

The problem with the blogosphere is that things like this are perceived to be tempests in teacups and will blow over as quickly as they start up. His employers will just tell him to lay low for a few weeks, and then he'll be back to backing hate organizaitons like CAIR in no time.

Remember that NBC guy that O'Reilly railed on for a while? You know, the guy who had some some things about military types being something 'er other? No? You don't? Neither do I, and that's my point. People like him are still employed, and most of us can't remember who they are a year later.

341 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:58:08am

re: #323 pingjockey

I'd take the time to go back and link them here but, I'd get way behind. They're in the DT I *think*.

342 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:58:35am

re: #329 3 wood

re: #269 MandyManners


I DID NOT! IT WAS ANOTHER LIZARD! I DID NOT ADDRESS HIM!

Okay, things have been happening so fast I thought it was you. Sorry.

'Sokay.

343 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:58:37am

re: #320 wahabicorridor

re: #280 Peacekeeper


Have we considered insulting his mother?

Are we assuming he has one?


I'm not paying for DNA testing...

344 maddogg  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:59:32am

re: #280 Peacekeeper

Have we considered insulting his mother?

Mrs. Townsend's kid is a rat pill.

/hows that?

345 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 11:59:51am

Townsend really should have checked what happened to Dan Rather's career before he messed with Charles.

346 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:00:09pm

I've told the story before about how Good Morning America did a story on my daughter and completely got it wrong. So much so that Charlie Gibson apologized on air to her.

347 Palandine  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:00:18pm

re: #330 Go_Fish

I just emailed you Charles. It looks like the story may be headed down the memory hole. It's no longer on the main news pages. As of 1:45pm Central there is a link to it in the Religion section. I'll have to check it against the print edition when I get home tonite but I suspect it's been edited. I don't see a reference to the phrase "anti-Muslim".

[Link: www.stltoday.com...]

Funny though how in this one they don't quote any local CAIR representatives. They quote Ibrahim Hooper. You'd think the local chapter would have something to say about all this.

The only local CAIR types I've seen on tv previously here are African-American. I don't know whether they're NOI or not. But they may not have much contact with the Bosnian Kosovar community here. And, that may have changed recently and there may be more European CAIR members here, but I haven't seen them.

348 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:00:19pm

re: #341 MandyManners
Yes, I figured that. Cog had been pulling your chain awful hard lately. That was why I asked about your BP. Just a little concerned.

349 CAD Daddy  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:00:21pm

re: #282 turn

Written in true Iowahwak style?

I am truly humbled.

350 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:00:36pm

Scroll down from here for the story and larger image.

Townsend, 36, hasn't always enjoyed such acclaim in his business. The Journal had him “doing a lot of stapling” and gopher work when he started there in 1999 as a news assistant, which he describes as “the lowest possible job you could have.” For about seven years before that, he was bartending in his hometown of Chicago. The only recognition he got then for his writing skill came after publishing an occasional story in Chicago Cigar Smoker magazine or Barfly, a bi-weekly distributed in Chicago bars. Back then, payment consisted of a six-pack of warm Busch beer cans and a bag of pretzels.

“You know how people save the first dollar they earn in business?” Townsend says. “I saved the plastic rings from that six-pack.”

Lowly times wouldn't last long. Townsend made a splash in Chicago journalism after he left for New York City, where he received a master's degree in journalism from Columbia University in 1999. For his final project, he wrote about controversial efforts to endow the late Dorothy Day with a status she reportedly never wanted: Roman Catholic saint. The piece ran as a cover story in the Chicago Tribune Sunday magazine, and Townsend was on his way.

Once enrolled at YDS, then-Dean Rebecca Chopp spotted Townsend's talents as potentially useful for the school and recruited him for a half-time job in the communications office. There his supervisor, John Lindner, saw Townsend quietly execute multiple interviews and extra phone calls to make sure readers of Spectrum, the Divinity School's journal for graduates and friends, found valuable insight and analysis in its pages.

“He could have just done a puff piece... but he didn't settle for that,” says Lindner, director of external relations and development. “So much of the media today is driven by the bottom line. I don't think that crosses Tim's mind. He wants to get the story right... He reminds me of the old-fashioned beat reporters.”

Studying at YDS gave him just enough knowledge about various religions, Townsend says, to convince skeptical sources that he's not completely ignorant and in fact “takes belief seriously.” Once his sources feel comfortable that he's no stiff, he delves into topics he finds endlessly intriguing.

“It's open-ended,” Townsend says of religious belief. “There's no definite answer that we know of.” With “infinite possibilities” in his fat file of future story ideas, he says, “I go to bed on Sunday nights, and I can't wait to get up in the morning.”

351 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:00:36pm

re: #336 BulgarWheat

My mom tells me that I was as big a chatterbox as he is. Poor Mom.

352 amphibian  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:00:39pm

This thread is already past 300 comments long, so I'll just chime in with "Timmy is a doody-head", for the sake of standing up and being counted. I imagine that this and many other comments have already been made, likely with greater eloquence, by other lizards.

(Hey, it's still more mature than Timmy's correspondence!)

353 MJ  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:00:39pm

By attacking Charles and LGF ( and all of us by extension) CAIR hopes to deflect attention away from it's role as the foremost terror-supporting group in the US.

354 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:00:42pm

don't get this toad townsend fired for heavens sake! The last thing we need is another leach on the public teat.

355 gibsonz  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:00:51pm

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch was a dream job for Timmy...all those years writing fluff articles for the Bugtussle Gazette finally paid off...at last, a chance to write lie,spin and distort on a real stage!

356 sifty  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:01:16pm

re: #324 JammieWearingFool

Here's another photo of burger boy.

I feel so sorry for Laurie Skrivan.

357 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:01:23pm

re: #324 JammieWearingFool

Here's another photo of burger boy.

Photoshopped, boy is clueless how to use a phone and check facts or get a response to a story.

358 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:01:25pm

re: #345 Kenneth

Townsend really should have checked what happened to Dan Rather's career before he messed with Charles.

Dan could probably hire him as an intern over there at HDNet.

359 David Simon  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:01:32pm

re: #143 buzzsawmonkey

I note he is sporting a goatee, the Club Insignia of the Moonbat the world over.

Wait, there's more to his bohemian pedigree:

Townsend, 36, hasn't always enjoyed such acclaim in his business. The Journal had him “doing a lot of stapling” and gopher work when he started there in 1999 as a news assistant, which he describes as “the lowest possible job you could have.” For about seven years before that, he was bartending in his hometown of Chicago. The only recognition he got then for his writing skill came after publishing an occasional story in Chicago Cigar Smoker magazine or Barfly, a bi-weekly distributed in Chicago bars. Back then, payment consisted of a six-pack of warm Busch beer cans and a bag of pretzels.

“You know how people save the first dollar they earn in business?” Townsend says. “I saved the plastic rings from that six-pack.”

[Link: 72.14.205.104...]

Fascinating.

360 kansas  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:01:50pm

It's really depressing that this is the MSM. I am despondent. There is no hope. On the other hand I just got back from Cozumel where it was 70. Of course it was 6 here last night and someone dinged my car at the airport and my wife subscribed to the Kansas City Star.

361 ubernerd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:01:58pm

What a [slang term for male homosapien gentailia].

362 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:02:20pm

re: #340 antishock8

The problem with the blogosphere is that things like this are perceived to be tempests in teacups and will blow over as quickly as they start up. His employers will just tell him to lay low for a few weeks, and then he'll be back to backing hate organizaitons like CAIR in no time.

Remember that NBC guy that O'Reilly railed on for a while? You know, the guy who had some some things about military types being something 'er other? No? You don't? Neither do I, and that's my point. People like him are still employed, and most of us can't remember who they are a year later.

The Throbbing Memo was not a tempest. I suspect this won't be, either.

363 wahabicorridor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:02:23pm

re: #340 antishock8

No? You don't? Neither do I,

Speak for yourself.

Guy's name is Arkin.

364 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:02:47pm

Courage.

365 slokat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:03:08pm

re: #318 MandyManners

look at that, I'm being repressed Help! Help! I'm being repressed

/Python misquote

In case it was a factor in my offer being rejected, I'm a guy kat... just saying.

366 gymnast  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:03:10pm

re: #345 Kenneth

Townsend really should have checked what happened to Dan Rather's career before he messed with Charles.


Dan Rather wasn't messing with Charles, he was messing with America and every American.

367 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:03:12pm

There's that bit about kicking the skunk.

Of course Charles, I think you are 100% right on this. This clown DID smear you, he SHOULD have contacted you first, and his response was both arrogant and unprofessional.

Sure he didn't EXPLICITLY say LGF was anti-Muslim, or a "hate site" but that was strongly implied by his text, to wit:

Another blog, called “Little Green Footballs,” linked to the “Gateway Pundit” post, and several comments on “Little Green Footballs,” caused the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations to contact the FBI, said Ibrahim Hooper, the council’s spokesman.

“We ourselves get these kinds of hate messages and threats frequently,” Hooper said. “But you never know who’s just talking and who’s going to carry out some these threats, so you have to check them out.”

But being blunt, you were a little strong in your original email, too:

Your story this morning about Little Green Footballs was incredibly irresponsible and sloppy, and I am personally offended that you did not take the time to contact me before running what is essentially a smear job.


Again, all true, but coming out of the gate attacking this guy's professional product and conduct wasn't likely to elicit any kind of positive response from him, no matter how right you are or how much he deserved it.

If you want a correction or apology, you're unlikely to get it that way. (Of course you probably wouldn't have gotten it being super-polite either, but its still probably the better way to go).

I think #111 has it right here.

368 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:03:12pm

Timmy when to Columbia and Yale and all he got for it was a gig in fly-over country. No wonder he's angry, bitter and lashing out at anyone who dare question his authority. I think he needs to get over himself.

369 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:03:37pm

The bottom line here is that for far too long Charles "Chucky" Johnson has gotten away with the worst anti muslim incitement imaginable. This monster has hurt more feelings than all the dead in Darfur. His temper has exploded like a mentally handicapped woman in a crowded Baghdad market. He gets stoned more than an Iranian teen rape vicitm.

370 RTLM  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:03:50pm

Tim Townsend, you're a smarmy little fuck aren't you -

371 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:03:53pm

re: #249 snowcrash

Al insults aside, the guy has good credentials.......why was he so arrogant and unprofessional toward Charles? I think if he were smarter he could have parlayed this into a much larger piece and drawn more attention to his own career. He doesn't seem to bright.

Maybe I'm over-thinking this, but even if someone wants to cover the Religion beat, why go to the trouble of getting a full-blown Masters from a school like Yale to do it? Sounds like either overkill or ego.

Just askin', I wonder if he actually has a Masters from Yale, or if maybe he only took graduate courses.

372 rappmandu  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:04:01pm

Columbia J School and Yale Divinity?

"Don't make fun of grad students. They've just made a terrible life choice." ~Marge Simpson

373 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:04:13pm

re: #348 pingjockey

re: #341 MandyManners
Yes, I figured that. Cog had been pulling your chain awful hard lately. That was why I asked about your BP. Just a little concerned.

Except for checking the tone of his stuff, I have the snot on GAZE.

374 3 wood  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:04:44pm

re: #269 MandyManners

Sorry again. Went back and re-read it. Loppyd said this in response to Cog:

#122 loppyd 2/20/08 9:57:09 am reply quote report 7


Then leave.

And a few posts later Cog said:

See you later.

End of story.

375 muman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:04:46pm

It is obvious to me, from reading this Mr Townsends drivel, that the man spent a lot of time going to school but he didnt learn a thing. He has been given the 'pat on the back' by the MSM and as such, his ego is bubbling like a little pre-pubescent girl. I read the story he wrote about Black Islam, and believe me, he doesnt really understand how evil Black Islam really is. I had an interesting conversation with my hair stylist the last time I had a haircut. She was an African American woman who liked to talk. We started to talk about religion since it is a very important topic for me. It turns out she was born xtian, converted to black islam, and converted back to xtianity because Black Islam was such a turn off to her. It is an ideology based on hatred, especially here in the SF Bay area. They hate Jews and Whites especially {she told me this quite honestly}.

So Mr Townsend, though you may feel your purpose is noble, you dont know what the heck you are talking about. Go back to school and do some studying of the facts. Stop white-washing the fact that Islam is responsible for a disproportionate amount of terrorism in the world, fueled by insane hatred of the Jews and the West.

376 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:04:49pm

re: #368 Sharmuta

Err- went to. {P}IMF.

377 Shug  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:04:50pm

People in Glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
How about Nobody should throw stones. That's crappy behavior.
My Policy
No stone throwing regardless of housing situation

unless

If you're trapped in a glass house....and you have a stone.
Throw it

-Demetri Martin

378 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:04:55pm

re: #251 Shug

Tim shills for Haters
While wearing moderate robes
He does not fool us

Tim CAIRS not for us
Shilling for Hooper Scooper
Blinding all Dhimmis

379 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:05:44pm

re: #340 antishock8

The problem with the blogosphere is that things like this are perceived to be tempests in teacups and will blow over as quickly as they start up. His employers will just tell him to lay low for a few weeks, and then he'll be back to backing hate organizaitons like CAIR in no time.

Remember that NBC guy that O'Reilly railed on for a while? You know, the guy who had some some things about military types being something 'er other? No? You don't? Neither do I, and that's my point. People like him are still employed, and most of us can't remember who they are a year later.

You're referring to William Arkin.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Some of us have good memories.

380 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:05:48pm

re: #350 JammieWearingFool

“It's open-ended,” Townsend says of religious belief. “There's no definite answer that we know of.” With “infinite possibilities” in his fat file of future story ideas, he says, “I go to bed on Sunday nights, and I can't wait to get up in the morning.”

GRAMSCIAN WHORE OF THE CALIPHATE!

381 bald headed geek  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:05:53pm

He's probably a Berkeley grad.

That said, the point raised by antishock8 in post #340 is right. We all get rightfully indignant at MSM lies and misrepresentations such as this one, and by tomorrow, it'll be forgotten.

The MSM cares not in the least that it's ultra-politically correct agenda is detrimental to the country's interests--remember, this is the same MSM whose members proudly advertised the fact that they would not wear American flag pins after 9/11 (because that would mean they weren't objective, or so they claimed).

The MSM is a cesspool. It no longer has any credibility with anyone who has a half a brain. Charles, don't let petulant, ill-informed, politically correct CAIR sycophants such as this fellow get you down. Those of us who read the blog know better.

BHG

382 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:06:07pm

re: #373 MandyManners
good on you!

383 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:06:07pm

Well, I think you should've gone right to the Editor to begin with.

You've made this child feel infinitely more important than he really is.

I'm sure LGF has much more readers than he does on a regular basis.

You've made his day.

The man is an pseudo-intellectual child.

384 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:06:14pm

He forgot to say "nanna nanna boo boo".......

385 snowcrash  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:06:46pm

re: #368 Sharmuta
He's passing up the opportunity to get both sides of the story, do some investigative reporting and writing an article that could be a career builder. He is a stupid man!

386 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:06:59pm

re: #374 3 wood

re: #269 MandyManners

Sorry again. Went back and re-read it. Loppyd said this in response to Cog:

#122 loppyd 2/20/08 9:57:09 am reply quote report 7


Then leave.

And a few posts later Cog said:


See you later.

End of story.

loppyd chased him off?

My girl!

387 slokat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:07:01pm

After reading the story, I can see why the guy responded in the manner that he did. Guy can't write. Produced a series of disconnected items on the theme in need of an editor. Maybe they don't have an active editor?

Who's right about no sound system & no call to prayer?

388 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:07:01pm

re: #366 gymnast

ok, I used poor sentence structure. I should have written,

"Townsend should not have messed with Charles, before checking what happened to Dan Rather's career."

At least you didn't wrap my knuckles like my old grammar teacher!

Yes, I know, you never touched my old grammar teacher. Geesh.

389 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:07:19pm
391 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:07:23pm

re: #355 gibsonz

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch was a dream job for Timmy...all those years writing fluff articles for the Bugtussle Gazette finally paid off...at last, a chance to write lie,spin and distort on a real stage!

Don't insult Bugtussle! You'll piss off Cousin Bessie.

392 Go_Fish  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:07:25pm

re: #313 mean Gene

re: #267 wahabicorridor


re: #209 JammieWearingFool

Wel, look what we have here.

CAIR-MO: Muslims Denounce Terrorism
Source: St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Author: Tim Townsend

Looks like doughboy comes pre-approved by CAIR.


You, know, I wonder if this guy converted, Yale Divinity notwithstanding.........

A quote from Tim's story there:


"Be loud," Matos said. "Islam does not encourage hate or terrorism against civilians.

That story's really old. It dates back to the cartoon rage-fest I think. It's been taken off the stltoday.com servers. CAIR and the Post-Disgrace must be in serious ass-covering mode!

393 TalkinKamel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:07:47pm

#238 Palandine

Hmmmm. . . it does sound to me as if this mosque is, for whatever reason, extremely important to the Islamic community out there. I wonder why they've chosen to make this the story they use to go after Charles?

A Bosnian mosque. . . I hope it's not being financed by drug money, or human trafficing (knowing the mess that part of the world is). I also hope it's not being funded by Saudi oil dollars.

394 oneman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:07:54pm

Late getting to the party, but that guy needs to be fired. Today.

395 joan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:08:14pm

re: #28 realwest

Well hell, Charles, since the reporter has said to Go_Fish (at #93 in the prior thread) that he knows all of the CAIR members in the area and he trusts them, why would you expect him to actually, you know, investigate the accuracy of what his buddies at CAIR told him? He obviously has no reason to think they weren't telling the truth - he trusts them.

Journalism, as practiced by this creep, is almost giving Dan Rather an improved image! LOL!

Charles, you are right to counter this smear, and every smear, regardless of response. It's a matter of integrity, though the psychological warfare waged against the center to right spectrum of American normalcy is perhaps the most successful tactic of the left. Ridicule is painful, slander and deliberate distortion, malice, insults, these are their weapons in the tactical guerrilla war against truth.

In general, print reporters I've had to deal with are arrogant, fairly lazy, social climbers. In fact, the general herd of print reporters are often too dense to absorb complex or nuanced material. They have to be spoon fed and always get something wrong, always.

Snide, sly and tendentiousness when their personal ideology is in play, granted immunity by their superiors, there is no redress whatsoever when a reporter seizes the opportunity to make a difference and strike a blow for ideology. Their innate arrogance and blindness to injustice is insurmountable. After all, a report it isn't a smear if it is true, is it?

The overwhelming majority of journalism school alums can't say enough bad things about people who challenge their lifelong indoctrination into progressive politics. Most are immune from negative consequences and incapable of objectivity, fairness, or justice.

The best journalists are breed apart, courageous, bringing vital information to us with as much veracity and documented detail as they can. I'm not talking about the princes of the profession. I'm talking about the pipsqueaks like whats'is in St. Louis.

396 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:08:42pm

re: #384 loppyd

He forgot to say "nanna nanna boo boo".......

Soul Sister.

397 sifty  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:08:43pm

re: #368 Sharmuta

Timmy when to Columbia and Yale and all he got for it was a gig in fly-over country. No wonder he's angry, bitter and lashing out at anyone who dare question his authority. I think he needs to get over himself.

He is angry because his excessive drinking, bad combover, and numerous social diseases kept him from the good jobs.

/see, I can be a reporter and make shit up too!

398 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:08:49pm

re: #365 slokat

re: #318 MandyManners

look at that, I'm being repressed Help! Help! I'm being repressed

/Python misquote

In case it was a factor in my offer being rejected, I'm a guy kat... just saying.

You're not an anarcho-syndicalist?

399 rappmandu  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:08:49pm

re: #350 JammieWearingFool

his fat file of future story ideas

Wanna see his FFFSI?

400 ModerateWolverine  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:09:02pm

#133 Golem Akbar, #252 Promethea and #310 itellu3times, thanks.

Good points about how the MSM has/always will be...now we just have a different (and fantastic) outlet to make our points heard. When they are, there are converts.

This blog really is a gem. I started paying attention to Charles just after 9/11, at which point my views on politics and geopolitical affairs started to really take shape. I can't thank him and the army enough for helping me grow and learn in so many ways.

It's so good to know there are people out there who care enough to make sure the right stuff gets heard!

401 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:09:28pm

re: #372 rappmandu

that was fun-cking hilarious!

402 FightingBack  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:09:37pm

He actually wrote "Oooohh"...?
Yechh.

403 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:09:44pm

re: #360 kansas

It's really depressing that this is the MSM. I am despondent. There
is no hope. On the other hand I just got back from Cozumel where it was
70. Of course it was 6 here last night and someone dinged my car at the
airport and my wife subscribed to the Kansas City Star.

That could make a great blues song:

"Last night at the airport, somebody dinged my car,
"My wife, she subscribes to the Kansas City Star,
"Oh, I got the blues...."

404 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:09:46pm

re: #369 Peacekeeper

His every post is like a flushed Koran!

405 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:09:46pm

re: #286 jcm

Fill his office with 20 week old chickens.....

Pullet Surprise!

Do you mean "Pullet"zer prize?"

406 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:09:49pm

re: #374 3 wood

*smoochies*

407 wahabicorridor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:10:09pm

re: #392 Go_Fish

It's been taken off the stltoday.com servers. CAIR and the Post-Disgrace must be in serious ass-covering mode!

That would be too funny!

408 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:10:18pm

I took high school journalism, and even for that you had to fact check. There wasn't even google then, you had to talk to an actual person. That's right kiddies, no computers either. You used a device called a typewriter. To make copies you used a ditto machine. The ink smelled wonderful.

409 ButtTroll  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:10:46pm

omfg what is this guy a middleschooler at the year book? Hes so infantile.

and my name is buttroll how bad is that?

410 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:11:28pm

re: #389 buzzsawmonkey

Won't somebody please think of the children?

You're right. I'm missing out on doing a load of tighty-whities.

411 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:11:31pm

re: #386 JammieWearingFool

re: #374 3 wood


re: #269 MandyManners

Sorry again. Went back and re-read it. Loppyd said this in response to Cog:

#122 loppyd 2/20/08 9:57:09 am reply quote report 7


Then leave.

And a few posts later Cog said:


See you later.

End of story.

loppyd chased him off?

My girl!

Awwww shucks. :~)

412 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:11:34pm

You can always tell a Yale man...

413 Ezekiel2517  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:11:37pm

How dare this impudent pajama-wearing peon question my august reportage! [as he wipes a smudged monitor-screen with his stained Che t-shirt..]

/Satire, it's satire I tell you

414 aunursa  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:11:53pm
415 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:11:53pm

Needless to say, reading comprehension and the ability to follow links are not one of Tim Townsend's shining attributes. Sanctimonious attitude, however, is.

The fact is that Townsend did not contact Charles before running with his story. He did not view the blog, or the comments sections, and made a clear factual error in claiming that it was a blog post that got CAIR in an uproar - it was one of the comments by someone posting to the site.

Since when is it appropriate to write an article for a newspaper and get only one side of the story? Apparently in Townsend's world, that's wholly appropriate, but it is highly offensive and violates Journalism 101.

416 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:12:04pm

re: #371 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ignore my last -- Jaime's link proves he does have one.

417 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:12:21pm

re: #393 TalkinKamel

Something like 80% of mosques in the US are funded by Saudi Arabia. As is CAIR.

418 godfrey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:12:24pm

Mistaking "pushing PR flak" for "journalism." Dammit, where have I heard of that before? (thinking, thinking) Righto! most of the MSM does it.

Tim Townsend? Typical.

419 pyjoe  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:12:38pm

I stand by my post from the previous entry. The post disgrace isn't worthy of being called a rag. Just one more reason for me to shun my eyes from its presence.

420 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:12:51pm

re: #396 Ben Hur

re: #384 loppyd


He forgot to say "nanna nanna boo boo".......

Soul Sister.

Or

"you are rubber and I am glue"

421 bald headed geek  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:12:53pm

re: #398 MandyManners

Now we see the violence inherent in the system! Now we see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

:-D

BHG

422 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:12:58pm

re: #399 rappmandu

re: #350 JammieWearingFool

his fat file of future story ideas

Wanna see his FFFSI?

Only if I can use a clue-by-four on it.

WHACK.

423 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:13:01pm

re: #391 MandyManners

re: #355 gibsonz

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch was a dream job for Timmy...all those years writing fluff articles for the Bugtussle Gazette finally paid off...at last, a chance to write lie,spin and distort on a real stage!

Don't insult Bugtussle! You'll piss off Cousin Bessie.

You know, this has an Iowahawk dumpster diving ring to it. /

424 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:13:09pm

re: #385 snowcrash

re: #368 Sharmuta
He's passing up the opportunity to get both sides of the story, do some investigative reporting and writing an article that could be a career builder. He is a stupid man!

He wasn't interested in both sides- he was interested in promoting one side- the side of cair- the side of islam. He's biased- he shouldn't have been reporting on this at all if he's not going to be fair minded, but then again- the news is anything but fair minded these days.

425 rappmandu  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:13:11pm

"Hail, Ants!"

~Tim Brockman

426 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:13:16pm
427 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:13:31pm

re: #361 ubernerd

What a [slang term for male homosapien gentailia].

Minaret?

428 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:13:59pm

fothermucker

429 iagofest a.k.a. abu fly killa  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:14:11pm

Townsend's responses remind me of an email exchange I had with a Boston Globe reporter that had written an article about Mitt Romney that smeared members of my faith (LDS). I politely wrote to him to point out the errors in his piece, e.g. incorrect doctrine and confusing LDS with the polygamist Christian groups along the UT/AZ border.

His response was basically that he could write whatever he wanted about my faith and somehow blamed me and my church for the bigoted Episcopals that split from the American Epsicopal church over ordaining a gay man as a bishop. Huh?

My point is, corresponding with "journalists" like Townsend is a waste of time. The only language they understand is the word "lawsuit." Sadly, that's a word that I don't like to throw around lightly, but Charles may have a case for slander if Townsend doesn't issue a correction.

430 wordwarp  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:14:12pm

Journalists tend to be liberal arts majors who don't have high enough aptitudes at pure reasoning to do very well on the LSAT (or any hard sciences or math), and therefore end up having to settle for championing the underdogs of society from the press room, not the court room.

Their deficit is pure reasoning shines through in exchanges like this -- as does their arrogance because they "know in their heart" they are on the side of Good, evidence to the contrary ignored with well-practiced cognitive dissonance. Pathetic. The only good part is that their day as lone voices of authority is done thanks to the web.

431 godfrey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:14:23pm

Karen Armstrong? lol

432 Palandine  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:14:48pm

re: #393 TalkinKamel

#238 Palandine

Hmmmm. . . it does sound to me as if this mosque is, for whatever reason, extremely important to the Islamic community out there. I wonder why they've chosen to make this the story they use to go after Charles?

A Bosnian mosque. . . I hope it's not being financed by drug money, or human trafficing (knowing the mess that part of the world is). I also hope it's not being funded by Saudi oil dollars.

As a local, I just don't know what to make of it. Last Sunday, the Kosovars were in the streets celebrating with American flags, men and women together, no hijabs. The Bosnians have been nothing but a force for good. Then they go and build this minaret that towers over the neighborhood and the local churches, next to their tiny mosque built out of an abandoned bank branch. Then a little research turns up that they spent 1.25 million for a piece of land in the county for another mosque. I'm not ready to cast aspersions on where the money came from, yet, but it seems like it would be an actually interesting and fruitful topic for the Post-Dispatch to pursue, rather than stupid anonymous posts on a blog.

433 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:14:51pm

re: #408 pingjockey

I took high school journalism, and even for that you had to fact check. There wasn't even google then, you had to talk to an actual person. That's right kiddies, no computers either. You used a device called a typewriter. To make copies you used a ditto machine. The ink smelled wonderful.

My first class in J-school required type-written copy. I wonder if college students nowadays could cope.

434 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:15:02pm

I suspect we've given Timmy enough fodder for his next "hate site" story.

See, look how mean they were to me!

435 Cygnus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:15:35pm

re: #274 JammieWearingFool

re: #262 Cygnus

re: #60 MandyManners


re: #52 maddogg


Jesus, Townsend is a walking talking dick with legs.


Don't insult dicks!


And please don't bring Jesus into it!

From all appearances, he looks like a calzone with legs.

You are what you eat, after all.

436 bald headed geek  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:15:37pm

Fellow Lizards, we'd best calm down. Otherwise, Mr. Townsend may choose to hold his breath until he turns blue............

BHG

437 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:15:38pm

re: #426 buzzsawmonkey

I wonder whether his qualifications as a writer on religious topics
stem from his being "objective"--i.e., having no religious beliefs
himself.

There is nothing to indicate that he went to divinity
school for any purpose other than becoming a slightly more bearded
Karen Armstrong.

L.O. Friggin' L.!

438 formercorpsman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:15:42pm

Jammie, it would be very interesting to see who has awarded meritoriously to Mr. Townsend's reporting.

Religion Newswriters Association comes to mind.

439 gymnast  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:15:46pm

re: #388 Kenneth

re: #366 gymnast

ok, I used poor sentence structure. I should have written,

"Townsend should not have messed with Charles, before checking what happened to Dan Rather's career."

At least you didn't wrap my knuckles like my old grammar teacher!

Yes, I know, you never touched my old grammar teacher. Geesh.

I wasn't picking on you, I was expanding upon your thought. Townsend is a two bit Islamist shilling shitbird. Rather was trying to engineer a virtual coup de'tat. The 4th Estate is largely nothing if not a bunch of ambitious shitbirds.

440 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:15:48pm

re: #412 Peacekeeper

You can always tell a Yale man...

The happiest man in the world is a proctologist at Yale. He's surrounded by perfect assholes.

441 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:15:51pm

re: #429 iagofest a.k.a. abu fly killa

Well, now that Mitt is out, all those "Mormons are freaks" stories can go back to the files. At least until 2012.

442 Eagle  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:15:51pm

What is the St. Louis Post Dispatch?

Never heard of it.

443 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:15:52pm

re: #405 Creeping Eruption

re: #286 jcm

Fill his office with 20 week old chickens.....

Pullet Surprise!

Do you mean "Pullet"zer prize?"

Whatever.... both involves lots of poop.

444 mean Gene  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:16:15pm

OT/
Some good news....
Google Quietly Reinstates Work of
News Organization Critical of U.N.

Fox News
New York - Google News quietly reinstated Tuesday the articles of a news service that routinely exposes U.N. corruption, a day after FOXNews.com ran a story about the Internet giant's decision to remove Inner City Press from its search engine. Inner City Press returned to the Google News search late in the day, but much sooner than the ''couple weeks'' a Google representative had promised. (Snip) Lee, who insists his organization has appropriate staff, believes someone within the U.N. pressured Google to drop him.

445 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:16:36pm

re: #433 MandyManners
After seeing the quality 'spit' of todays journalism I doubt it.

446 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:16:41pm

re: #442 Eagle

What is the St. Louis Post Dispatch?

Never heard of it.

LMAO- the ultimate insult.

447 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:17:01pm

re: #440 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #412 Peacekeeper


You can always tell a Yale man...

The happiest man in the world is a proctologist at Yale. He's surrounded by perfect assholes.

Heh TM

448 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:17:14pm

re: #411 loppyd

re: #386 JammieWearingFool


re: #374 3 wood

re: #269 MandyManners
Sorry again. Went back and re-read it. Loppyd said this in response to Cog:

#122 loppyd 2/20/08 9:57:09 am reply quote report 7


Then leave.

And a few posts later Cog said:


See you later.

End of story.

loppyd chased him off?
My girl!

Awwww shucks. :~)

I chased away Nodrog. Now we're even :D

449 somaking  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:17:26pm

OT: Google + Soros:

[Link: www.siliconvalley.com...]

450 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:17:33pm

re: #249 snowcrash

Al insults aside, the guy has good credentials.......why was he so arrogant and unprofessional toward Charles? I think if he were smarter he could have parlayed this into a much larger piece and drawn more attention to his own career. He doesn't seem to bright.


Credentials? Not helpful.
Rather had good credentials, didn't he?

If this writer were smarter (or simply had integrity), he'd likely have gotten it right in the first place.

Again, his arrogant responses go hand in hand with his sloppy reporting.

451 3 wood  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:17:49pm

re: #384 loppyd


By the way, thank you for getting Cog pissed enough to leave.

Good job.

452 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:18:03pm

re: #440 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #412 Peacekeeper

You can always tell a Yale man...

The happiest man in the world is a proctologist at Yale. He's surrounded by perfect assholes.

"Let Harvard have its academics & athletics. Yale will always be first in gentlemanly club life."
Montgomery Burns

453 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:18:08pm

PK,

fothermucker

sockcucker

454 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:18:24pm

re: #421 bald headed geek

re: #398 MandyManners

Now we see the violence inherent in the system! Now we see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

:-D

BHG


455 Cygnus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:18:28pm

re: #296 musicman

re: #262 Cygnus

re: #60 MandyManners

re: #52 maddogg

Jesus, Townsend is a walking talking dick with legs.

Don't insult dicks!

And please don't bring Jesus into it!

Amen!

Thank you. I get rather weary of the F-word too, though sometimes it can be funny.

456 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:19:04pm

re: #423 lawhawk

re: #391 MandyManners


re: #355 gibsonz

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch was a dream job for Timmy...all those years writing fluff articles for the Bugtussle Gazette finally paid off...at last, a chance to write lie,spin and distort on a real stage!

Don't insult Bugtussle! You'll piss off Cousin Bessie.

You know, this has an Iowahawk dumpster diving ring to it. /

Go for it!

457 3 wood  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:19:05pm

re: #380 MandyManners


GRAMSCIAN WHORE OF THE CALIPHATE!

I second that motion.

458 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:19:09pm

re: #453 Dirk Diggler

PK,

fothermucker

sockcucker

sumbthucker!

459 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:19:15pm

re: #325 MJ

Which is the actual point, rather than a few over-the-top and deleted comments, isn't it?

460 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:19:23pm

re: #443 jcm

re: #405 Creeping Eruption

re: #286 jcm

Fill his office with 20 week old chickens.....

Pullet Surprise!

Do you mean "Pullet"zer prize?"

Whatever.... both involves lots of poop.

And pointless squawking.

461 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:19:45pm

sockcooker!

462 godfrey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:19:50pm

re: #460 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Tar, meet feather.

463 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:19:53pm

re: #448 JammieWearingFool

I'm not so sure Cog will stay away....

464 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:19:55pm

OT

Nanny state, PNWED by the kids.

Last August the Australian Prime Minister announced plans to spend many millions of dollars to offer free internet filters that parents could use to keep their kids from surfing porn. The filters were cracked by kids in a matter of days.
465 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:19:58pm

re: #428 Peacekeeper

fothermucker

Don't insult...oh, never mind.

466 Charles  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:20:00pm

re: #367 looking closely

I absolutely did criticize his professionalism, and it deserved to be criticized. It's sloppy and irresponsible, and very indicative of bias to print something like that without even trying to contact the subject of the article. I don't regret using that language.

467 Cygnus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:20:04pm

re: #311 eff plus

Why does he have a hamster glued to his chin?

Charles! Is one of your server hamsters missing?

468 Palandine  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:20:08pm

re: #432 Palandine

As a local, I just don't know what to make of it. Last Sunday, the Kosovars were in the streets celebrating with American flags, men and women together, no hijabs. The Bosnians have been nothing but a force for good. Then they go and build this minaret that towers over the neighborhood and the local churches, next to their tiny mosque built out of an abandoned bank branch. Then a little research turns up that they spent 1.25 million for a piece of land in the county for another mosque. I'm not ready to cast aspersions on where the money came from, yet, but it seems like it would be an actually interesting and fruitful topic for the Post-Dispatch to pursue, rather than stupid anonymous posts on a blog.

I do have to say that it offends me a little that it towers over the nearby Missouri National Guard armory. Those soldiers fought and bled so that the Bosnians could have their own country, and also come to the US. The minaret strikes me as undeserved triumphalism.

469 musicman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:20:21pm

re: #444 mean Gene

OT/
Some good news....
Google Quietly Reinstates Work of
News Organization Critical of U.N.

Fox News
New York - Google News quietly reinstated Tuesday the articles of a news service that routinely exposes U.N. corruption, a day after FOXNews.com ran a story about the Internet giant's decision to remove Inner City Press from its search engine. Inner City Press returned to the Google News search late in the day, but much sooner than the ''couple weeks'' a Google representative had promised. (Snip) Lee, who insists his organization has appropriate staff, believes someone within the U.N. pressured Google to drop him.

I tried, as did another fellow lizard, to send the foxnews link to my Yahoo e-mail with Political Censorship at Yahoo Mail: as the subject heading. It bounced back as a failure notice.

470 Charles  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:20:46pm

By the way, Charles Jaco of Fox St. Louis has contacted me about the story.

471 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:20:56pm

re: #430 wordwarp

Journalists tend to be liberal arts majors who don't have high enough aptitudes at pure reasoning to do very well on the LSAT (or any hard sciences or math), and therefore end up having to settle for championing the underdogs of society from the press room, not the court room.

Their deficit is pure reasoning shines through in exchanges like this -- as does their arrogance because they "know in their heart" they are on the side of Good, evidence to the contrary ignored with well-practiced cognitive dissonance. Pathetic. The only good part is that their day as lone voices of authority is done thanks to the web.

There are exceptions.

472 TalkinKamel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:21:06pm

Go_Fish, if you're reading this, has Townsend replied to you yet re CAIR/the Holy Land Foundation trial? That oughta be good. . .

Also, trolls/mobys have a nasty tendency of popping up at the end of dead threads, to leave their droppings. I think one got onto the end of the previous Townsend thread. Might be a good idea, as somebody suggested, to close threads after a certain point.

473 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:21:10pm

re: #442 Eagle

What is the St. Louis Post Dispatch?

Never heard of it.

Bill Mauldin drew for it in the late 50's/early 60's. He had the good sense to leave.

474 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:21:17pm

re: #451 3 wood

re: #384 loppyd


By the way, thank you for getting Cog pissed enough to leave.

Good job.

You are most welcome. We shall see if it lasts.

475 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:21:19pm

Here's the Web site of the magazine that gave Townsend an award:

The Christian Century

476 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:21:34pm

re: #461 Peacekeeper

Moosecrimper!

477 Jeff MacMillan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:21:58pm

*Sung to the Toys R Us Theme*
I don't want to be a St Louis Dispatch journalist, because if I was.
There wouldn't be heaven after death.

478 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:22:09pm

re: #470 Charles

By the way, Charles Chuck Jaco of Fox St. Louis has contacted me about the story.

479 iagofest a.k.a. abu fly killa  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:22:30pm

re: #441 Peacekeeper

re: #429 iagofest a.k.a. abu fly killa

Well, now that Mitt is out, all those "Mormons are freaks" stories can go back to the files. At least until 2012.


Yeah, that file must be getting pretty big since most of it is the same old crap that's been recycled since the mid 1800's. Reporters can't be bothered to interview an actual Mormon.

480 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:22:36pm

Charles, please let us know what you hear back from his editors.

481 jlw001  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:22:42pm

Its amazing the kind of people who are being churned out by "Divinity" schools or theological seminaries. They are the liberal of the left and they have no love for The Truth or of truth.

Yet, they are being trained in and accepted by the media. Its quite incredible that: 1) People disingenuously act like they don't know the difference be tween a blog and comments of a blog, 2) Truth is not important in the MSM, only whatever fits their agenda and they are willing to (not just bend the truth) ignore the truth.

I believe the government should immediately make an inquiry into the funding of this "minaret". Its no doubt that the darkness would hate having such light shown upon it.

482 Shug  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:22:52pm

re: #466 Charles

re: #367 looking closely

I absolutely did criticize his professionalism, and it deserved to be criticized. It's sloppy and irresponsible, and very indicative of bias to print something like that without even trying to contact the subject of the article. I don't regret using that language.

I'd like to see his incoming phone calls log to see how often he takes calls from Awad and Company

not to mention any "donations" he might receive from time to time from America's largest Hezballah rights organization

483 Cognito  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:23:06pm

re: #474 loppyd

re: #451 3 wood

re: #384 loppyd


By the way, thank you for getting Cog pissed enough to leave.

Good job.

You are most welcome. We shall see if it lasts.

Um, I'm hardly pissed. And I've hardly left.

Just reading and enjoying.

Like I said, 'See you later.'

484 PeaceBeUponHim  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:23:16pm

Just so you know, sometimes Dhimmi reporters are aware that they are publishing lies and deceptions, but for obvious reasons can't be honest. I recently shot off a terse email to the writer of a small paper who mindlessly quoted the words of Islamic spokeswomen about how Islam respects women, all equal, blah blah, the usual dawa. She responded:

You should know when reporting the news I can't just put my own personal
opinion into them. I was there to report on the event, not the issue,
because that day that was my job I was told to do. I don't agree with
what the women were saying but that is what they said I cannot change
their quotes. Unfortunately, I can't address every
issue in the manner I would like to. That article was about the event
and the event was women celebrating Islam. I don't agree with the way
they treat women either but I can't slander people through my newspaper.
I'm sorry you're upset and I would like to say I agree with you. Maybe
when I have more time and I am not the only reporter for the entire
[local newspaper region], I can tackle the issue further. Until then, I
have to report the news. Thank you for your thoughts and opinions
though, and also the facts!

485 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:23:17pm

re: #476 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

fothermucking sockcooking moosecrimpers!

486 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:23:31pm

re: #335 Jamie

Ah, but the press release he relied upon, and quoted, did say so.

487 mean Gene  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:23:32pm

re: #469 musicman

I'm not sure what that means....I'm practically computer illiterate.
But the link is to a real story you can call up:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Is Yahoo trying to censor that fact?
Or is something else going on?

488 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:24:09pm

re: #483 Cognito
You lurking little stinker! LOL.

489 musicman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:24:32pm

re: #470 Charles

By the way, Charles Jaco of Fox St. Louis has contacted me about the story.

What!?! They want both sides of the story? How un-MSM of them!

490 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:24:58pm

re: #485 Peacekeeper

re: #476 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

fothermucking sockcooking moosecrimpers!

Never let a moosecrimper cook your socks while mucking fothers.

491 Jeff MacMillan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:25:06pm

The article has errors in it though.. numerous....

The bottom paragraph sentence is written as if LGF website is to blame along with the comments... rather than just the comments.

492 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:25:26pm

re: #489 musicman
It is Fox, not pmsNBC. That would be a shock.

493 mean Gene  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:25:38pm

re: #486 Dianna

re: #335 Jamie

Ah, but the press release he relied upon, and quoted, did say so.

Yes, but he judiciously skipped that part. (Wink)
He's as innocent as a dove.

494 iagofest a.k.a. abu fly killa  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:25:44pm

Good luck Charles! I hope the St. Louis Dispatch comes to its senses before it gets publicly humiliated. They messed with the wrong webmaster! ;-)

495 rappmandu  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:25:55pm

Meet me in St. Louis, Louis
Meet me at the CAIR
Don't tell me the lies are flying
Any place but there

496 redstateredneck  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:26:00pm

I regret all the many years my parents were faithful subscribers to this rag of a newspaper.
yuck!
Maybe it wasn't so bad years ago.

497 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:26:05pm

re: #470 Charles

By the way, Charles Jaco of Fox St. Louis has contacted me about the story.

Can you reveal the direction of his questioning?

498 zmdavid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:26:31pm

re: #475 Ward Cleaver

Here's the Web site of the magazine that gave Townsend an award:

The Christian Century


I wrote that earlier, but I think they just reported it. The award was from the Religion Newswriters Association.
See #248

499 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:26:34pm

re: #470 Charles

By the way, Charles Jaco of Fox St. Louis has contacted me about the story.

Congrats. I hope you get an interview so your side can be seen and heard, and Mr. Townsend can look more like the unprofessional pompous ass he is.

500 Bobibutu  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:26:46pm

re: #443 jcm

re: #405 Creeping Eruption

re: #286 jcm

Fill his office with 20 week old chickens.....

Pullet Surprise!

Do you mean "Pullet"zer prize?"

Whatever.... both involves lots of poop.

St. Louis Post-Dispatch Platform

"I know that my retirement will make no difference in its cardinal principles, that it will always fight for progress and reform, never tolerate injustice or corruption, always fight demagogues of all parties, never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."

-- statement by Joseph Pulitzer, April 10, 1907

[Link: www.stltoday.com...]

501 Joan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:27:11pm

re: #111 Topspin Lob

Charles, a little friendly advice?

I'm a journalist... Here's what you should do:

When this happens again. Call, do not email, but call the Managing Editor. Calmly explain the situation/your side. DO NOT use language such as "You Owe Me." Reporters are hassled frequently by Public Relations persons who are always shilling for their clients. "You Owe Me" is a favorite refrain of a shrill PR person who's ticked that their client got bad/no press. It puts you in the "Ignore this Insane Person" box.

Encourage all contact through telephone. Use email as a follow-up tool or as a way of verifying the accuracy of your quotes or basic info such as name, number of readers, etc.

DO NOT directly call a reporter directly. Contact his boss (Managing Editor usually). DO NOTE specifically state things such as: "This little thread of emails will be forwarded to your editors." Be more vague. Such as: "I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to escalate this matter." Keep the editor/reporter guessing as to what you are going to do next. Contact a lawyer? Are you friends with his/her publisher?

Excellent post.

It is a war of nerves, a war of words. And, thank you to Charles Johnson for providing LGF to us, the mighty lizard army.

502 musicman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:27:22pm

re: #492 pingjockey

re: #489 musicman
It is Fox, not pmsNBC. That would be a shock.

Oops forgot the sarc tag!

503 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:27:35pm

Jaco of Fox wasn't that a fast food restaurant chain?

504 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:27:36pm

re: #463 loppyd

re: #448 JammieWearingFool

I'm not so sure Cog will stay away....

I suspect you're right. The ego is too massive to stay Incognito.

Nodrog was just a pants-soiling worm quivering in mommy's basement.

Speaking of him, where has tfk been of late? I know he used to like taunting him.

505 godfrey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:27:42pm

Here's something Mr. Townsend wrote for Commonweal:If you're offended by graphic descriptions of bestiality, incest, Satanism, sodomy, racism, and rape, you may want to look elsewhere for your Christmas reading. Recent books by three of the country's best magazine writers are, perhaps, not your typical holiday fare, but they're sure to keep you awake in front of the yule log.

This paragraph could only have been written by a twit.

506 gymnast  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:27:51pm

Charles Jaco, once one of the "ace" star reporters for CNN during the the first Gulf War. Caution.

507 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:27:57pm

re: #427 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

LOL!

508 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:28:00pm

If I were this writer's boss and read that exchange, I'd ask him to either tender an immediate apology to Charles, offer his resignation, or take a pink slip.

I could not tolerate someone that unprofessional representing my organization.

Its embarrassing, and its inevitable that that sort of arrogance would lead to a more major problem down the line.

Will this happen? Probably not. . .we'll see.

509 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:28:00pm

re: #433 MandyManners

I used to get very giggly when making dittoes for my mom.

510 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:28:02pm
511 Widow'smight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:28:08pm

re: #474 loppyd

Did you get your puppy yet?

512 Palandine  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:28:12pm

Charles Jaco

Watch out for traps, Charles.

513 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:28:32pm

re: #498 zmdavid

re: #475 Ward Cleaver

Here's the Web site of the magazine that gave Townsend an award:

The Christian Century


I wrote that earlier, but I think they just reported it. The award was from the Religion Newswriters Association.
See #248

Thanks dude.

514 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:28:52pm

re: #504 JammieWearingFool

re: #463 loppyd


re: #448 JammieWearingFool

I'm not so sure Cog will stay away....


I suspect you're right. The ego is too massive to stay Incognito.

Nodrog was just a pants-soiling worm quivering in mommy's basement.

Speaking of him, where has tfk been of late? I know he used to like taunting him.


Godron was banned after he resorted to anti semitic insults.

515 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:28:57pm

I just ran Timothy Townsend through the anagram engine & came up with the following:
Destiny Moth Town
Deist Myth Wonton
Twitted Hymn Soon
Demon Shitty Town
Hindmost Yet Won't
Howdy Mitten Snot

516 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:29:06pm

re: #502 musicman
Damn. I hate when that happens. Sorry, it just wasn't that obvious.

517 snowcrash  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:29:16pm

Finially, someone with some ambition! (Notice I don't make the same mistake of thinking it is a reporter searching for the truth.)

518 David Simon  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:29:22pm

re: #438 formercorpsman

Jammie, it would be very interesting to see who has awarded meritoriously to Mr. Townsend's reporting.

Religion Newswriters Association comes to mind.

Here you go:

Tim Townsend of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and Cathleen Falsani of the Chicago Sun-Times won the top two reporting and writing awards


[Link: findarticles.com...]

He should be proud as hell to receive an award alongside Ms. Falsani if this is representative of the type of quality "journalism" she normally produces:

Throughout the standoff between the Israeli military outside and the Palestinians inside, various people complained that the Church of the Nativity was being desecrated.

How, exactly?

After the siege was over last week, journalists reported back that one of the altars had been used for cooking meals and that the basilica smelled of urine.

Well, a couple of hundred people had been living there for more than a month. And the Israeli government shut off the water, and the toilets couldn't flush. And it's not like the refuge-seekers sacrificed a pig on the altar and performed a black mass.


[Link: 72.14.205.104...]

519 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:29:28pm

re: #504 JammieWearingFool

re: #463 loppyd


re: #448 JammieWearingFool

I'm not so sure Cog will stay away....


I suspect you're right. The ego is too massive to stay Incognito.
Nodrog was just a pants-soiling worm quivering in mommy's basement.

Speaking of him, where has tfk been of late? I know he used to like taunting him.

Back like a bad penny. See #483.

I saw TFK post last week, I think? I did enjoy that as well...

520 Canadian Guy  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:29:29pm

I have an idea.

We should pitch and purchase a PR Newswire press release.

Address it Religion editors

And basically just hash out the true agenda of CAIR based upon court documents and call them an Islamic supremicist group.

Will the SP Dispatch's religious reporter do a story about us without contacting CAIR.

521 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:29:34pm

re: #475 Ward Cleaver

Here's the Web site of the magazine that gave Townsend an award:

The Christian Century

The article about moderate Baptists is a hoot. Diversity?

522 Charles  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:30:00pm

re: #111 Topspin Lob

Charles, a little friendly advice?

I'm a journalist... Here's what you should do:

When this happens again. Call, do not email, but call the Managing Editor. Calmly explain the situation/your side. DO NOT use language such as "You Owe Me." Reporters are hassled frequently by Public Relations persons who are always shilling for their clients. "You Owe Me" is a favorite refrain of a shrill PR person who's ticked that their client got bad/no press. It puts you in the "Ignore this Insane Person" box.

Encourage all contact through telephone. Use email as a follow-up tool or as a way of verifying the accuracy of your quotes or basic info such as name, number of readers, etc.

DO NOT directly call a reporter directly. Contact his boss (Managing Editor usually). DO NOTE specifically state things such as: "This little thread of emails will be forwarded to your editors." Be more vague. Such as: "I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to escalate this matter." Keep the editor/reporter guessing as to what you are going to do next. Contact a lawyer? Are you friends with his/her publisher?

Thanks, good advice. But if I'd done that, we wouldn't have had this interesting post. Heh.

523 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:30:05pm

re: #506 gymnast

Charles Jaco, once one of the "ace" star reporters for CNN during the the first Gulf War. Caution.

Oh yeah, I remember him.

524 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:30:08pm

re: #470 Charles

By the way, Charles Jaco of Fox St. Louis has contacted me about the story.

Beware.

525 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:30:09pm

A man, a plan, a canal; Panama.

526 godfrey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:30:41pm

re: #520 Canadian Guy

Hmm, maybe if we worked in something nasty about President Bush, all would be forgiven.

527 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:31:11pm

bbl

528 redstateredneck  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:31:14pm

re: #515 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Demon Shitty Town


I'm hearing Funky Town in my brain now.

529 kansas  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:31:19pm

re: #403 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I will work on that. At least we can get some tunes out of this stupidity. I mean seriously, I just gets worse, and worse. CAIR is so blatantly obvious in their propaganda, but these "journalists" are in their mid 20's , are gullible, and ignorant, and empty. Kind of like Obama. Who is not ncessarily ignorant, but surely empty.
Change, change, change
...........change of fools.
Not bluesy, but you get the drift.

530 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:31:33pm

re: #453 Dirk Diggler

PK,

fothermucker

sockcucker


hitshead

531 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:31:43pm

re: #521 MandyManners

re: #475 Ward Cleaver

Here's the Web site of the magazine that gave Townsend an award:

The Christian Century

The article about moderate Baptists is a hoot. Diversity?

Yeah, that was funny.

532 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:31:58pm

re: #511 Widow'smight

re: #474 loppyd

Did you get your puppy yet?

Not yet. We are shooting for next month or April, depending on the expected litters.

I want him NOW! :~)

533 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:32:06pm

Okay, just fired off the following to the Post-Dispatch:

I am writing because I am seriously concerned about the editorial process involved in a piece written by Tim Townsend, Mosque Threatened: Muslim Group Says (published 2/19/2008) which was about the construction of a minaret in St. Louis and that CAIR believes that it was threatened by Charles Johnson who operates the blog Little Green Footballs.

Needless to say, reading comprehension and the ability to follow links are not one of Tim Townsend's shining attributes. Sanctimonious attitude, however, is - as witnessed via the series of emails published by Mr. Johnson at his website here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
(note that this is an invitation to actually read the information at the link provided, which is more than can be said for Mr. Townsend and his actual reporting on the story).

The fact is that Townsend did not contact Charles before running with his story. He did not view the blog, or the comments sections, and made a clear factual error in claiming that it was a blog post that got CAIR in an uproar - it was one of four comments noted by CAIR by someone posting to the site. Charles deleted all four of the comments once he became aware they were published in an unmoderated forum on his website.

Since when is it appropriate to write an article for a newspaper and get only one side of the story? Apparently in Mr. Townsend's world, that's wholly appropriate, but it is highly offensive and violates journalism 101. Back when we were learning about journalism, we were taught that reporters are supposed to ask who, what, when, where, why and how. Mr. Townsend didn't bother getting half the story - the part that would have revealed that Mr. Townsend did little more than rewrite a CAIR paid press release.

Further, where was the oversight to ask whether Mr. Townsend had bothered to check out the reporting and fact check the piece?

Are these things normal at your institution? Surely your readers deserve more than that.

Regards,
lawhawk

A Blog For All
[Link: lawhawk.blogspot.com...]

We'll see if we get a response.

534 musicman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:32:09pm

re: #516 pingjockey

re: #502 musicman
Damn. I hate when that happens. Sorry, it just wasn't that obvious.

No worries. . .

535 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:32:10pm

re: #475 Ward Cleaver

Here's the Web site of the magazine that gave Townsend an award:

The Christian Century

Two of three "Editors Desk" columns appear (at a quick skim) to be very capital-L Liberal.

536 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:32:26pm

re: #528 redstateredneck

re: #515 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Demon Shitty Town


I'm hearing Funky Town in my brain now.

"I haven't felt this way since Funky Town!"
Homer Simpson

537 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:32:36pm

.amanaP ;lanac a ,nalp a ,nam A

538 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:32:50pm

re: #477 Jeff MacMillan

That's not too good.

539 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:33:07pm

re: #515 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I like "Howdy Mitten Snot".

540 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:33:16pm

re: #514 Peacekeeper

re: #504 JammieWearingFool


re: #463 loppyd

re: #448 JammieWearingFool
I'm not so sure Cog will stay away....

I suspect you're right. The ego is too massive to stay Incognito.
Nodrog was just a pants-soiling worm quivering in mommy's basement.

Speaking of him, where has tfk been of late? I know he used to like taunting him.


Godron was banned after he resorted to anti semitic insults.

Prior to that he was in self-imposed exile and blamed me for chasing him away.

He was insulting Charles in comments at my site and just to mess with him I noted he was in the Portland, Oregon vicinity. He got so hysterical and made it out as if I had provided GPS coordinates to his basement door.

541 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:33:25pm
542 TalkinKamel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:33:55pm

#483 cognito

But Cogs, old chap, I thought this blog was too messy, puddingy and full of mean comments for you to enjoy!

543 ButtTroll  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:34:13pm

stories can go back to the files. At least until 2012.

wont matter member world ends that day......so now worries bout global warming

544 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:34:18pm

re: #470 Charles

By the way, Charles Jaco of Fox St. Louis has contacted me about the story.

Ooohhh. You're like some master of celebrity.
/TT

545 snowcrash  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:34:18pm

re: #533 lawhawk
Very, very nice.

546 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:34:25pm

re: #483 Cognito

Well, I at least am glad you're here.

547 Cygnus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:34:40pm

re: #427 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #361 ubernerd

What a [slang term for male homosapien gentailia].

Minaret?

Barad-dur?

548 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:35:04pm

re: #442 Eagle

What is the St. Louis Post Dispatch?

Never heard of it.

It was what was known in the 20th Century as a newspaper, an advertiser-supported organization which provided subscribers with printouts of wire service stories issued the previous day, syndicated columnists and cartoonists, and TV schedules, as well as some stories of local interest, distributed on large sheets of pulp paper. The paper-based distribution system generated large quantities of solid waste daily, which could be recycled, but not profitably.
By the mid-21st century, newspaper publishers realized that they couldn't even give their product away for free.

549 godfrey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:35:07pm

re: #542 TalkinKamel

Sniff, sniff. It warms th 'eart to hear ye saie such thinges aboot us.

550 zmdavid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:35:38pm

Here's the website for the Religion Newswriters Association
[Link: www.rna.org...]

551 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:35:50pm

re: #505 godfrey

EYEOPENING! WOW!

552 mean Gene  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:36:08pm

re: #533 lawhawk

What an excellent letter.

553 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:36:11pm

re: #541 buzzsawmonkey

See re: #525 Occasional Reader

554 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:36:20pm

re: #533 lawhawk

Excellent!

I think the editors may be chugging Pepto soon
.

555 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:37:05pm

re: #521 MandyManners

re: #475 Ward Cleaver


Here's the Web site of the magazine that gave Townsend an award:

The Christian Century

The article about moderate Baptists is a hoot. Diversity?

Just curious, but what do you mean?

556 chubby vegan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:37:23pm

"I know you are, but what am I."
Pee Wee's Big Adventure

557 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:37:25pm

re: #537 jcm

.amanaP ;lanac a ,nalp a ,nam A

Do you always look at the keyboard in a mirror while you type?

558 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:37:27pm

TalkinKamel,

A Bosnian mosque. . . I hope it's not being financed by drug money, or human trafficing (knowing the mess that part of the world is). I also hope it's not being funded by Saudi oil dollars.

If one were making a list of things to fear, the radicalization of the Bosnian community in St. Louis would be about as high on that list as advancing glaciers. As a rule, they tend to be Muslim in name only.

559 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:37:37pm

A man, a plan, a butt tub; anal Panama.

560 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:37:56pm

re: #493 mean Gene

I get tired of the dodges, particularly since we all read the press release.

561 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:37:58pm

re: #550 zmdavid

Here's the website for the Religion Newswriters Association
[Link: www.rna.org...]

Dammit, I was going to use rna.org for my Ribo-Nucleic Acid fan site!

562 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:38:07pm

Loppyd
3 wood
Didn't take. I'd also politely invited it not to stick around and be offended. But, hopefully the pudding's back!

563 cblesz  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:38:08pm

Well, the site may not be anit-muslim, but I for one am anti-muslim...

564 mean Gene  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:38:50pm

re: #392 Go_Fish

That story's really old. It dates back to the cartoon rage-fest I think. It's been taken off the stltoday.com servers. CAIR and the Post-Disgrace must be in serious ass-covering mode!
I saw the date, I just was reiterating what mainstream Islamic authorities have written about who are "civilians."
Who knows?
Maybe Tim will come here and learn a few things.

565 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:39:15pm

re: #547 Cygnus

re: #427 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


re: #361 ubernerd

What a [slang term for male homosapien gentailia].

Minaret?

Barad-dur?

Aww, it's just like one but smaller. A Mini Tirith.

566 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:39:16pm

re: #557 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #537 jcm

.amanaP ;lanac a ,nalp a ,nam A

Do you always look at the keyboard in a mirror while you type?

I think I sprained my brain... all two cells.

567 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:39:23pm

If I handled a complaint in that fashion, I would be looking for a new job.

Unfortunately, none of this amazes me.

568 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:39:26pm

Sounds as if CAIR and this "reporter" from St. Louis Post-Dispatch just ensured LGF a couple hundred (at least) more viewers.

Thank you St. Loius and CAIR.

569 Phocid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:39:33pm

I don't know about Charles, but I am "anti-Muslim." Charles may want to distance himself from any statements that may seem intolerant and I respect that. However Islam is not a race, something that a person is not responsible for, it is an ideology--religious, but more than that, political. It is primarily a totalitarian and intolerant political ideology and just as we can be anti-Communist or anti-fascist we can be anti-Muslim. People are responsible for their ideologies and beliefs and if they can't stand intellectual examination that's their problem.

570 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:39:35pm
571 Widow'smight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:39:54pm

re: #532 loppyd

Are you still looking at a Lab Pup? I have a Golden, and he's great. Either way, they need lots of exercise and a place to swim.
They chew like crazy, and love sticks. Hope you're ready for another immature creature in your place (along with BF).

572 snowcrash  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:40:01pm

How embarassing for Townsend to let the real story slip by only to be snapped up by a bigger fish. Twit Townsend deserves the small pond he swims in. I do hope you are reading this.

573 rappmandu  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:40:03pm
574 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:40:12pm

re: #525 Occasional Reader

Oh goody, you and PK on the same thread.

/making popcorn, settling in

575 Topspin Lob  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:40:51pm

Ladies, Gents:

I'm reading too many comments here re: yay, we showed Mr. Townsend to be an arrogant fool, etc. STOPPPPP! We want journalists on our side.

Winning this little rhetorical battle may feel great, but playing gotcha is not gonna advance the goal, which is: Every time the media writes about CAIR, HLF, etc., contacting LGF for its take on the matter should be automatic/a given.

Every single reporter who reads this site, in an ideal world, should leave here with a positive feeling, i.e., "They sound like nice, rational, intelligent folks. I AM GOING TO CONTACT LGF FOR QUOTES FOR A FUTURE STORY."

In a perfect world, just about every contact with a reporter should end with the following sentiment: "That was a nice conversation. We should have lunch sometime. I'd like to hear more about XYZ."

Personality trumps raw knowledge in journalism. Remember that....

576 wahabicorridor  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:40:52pm

re: #524 JammieWearingFool

re: #470 Charles


By the way, Charles Jaco of Fox St. Louis has contacted me about the story.

Beware.

It is, unfortunately, not surprising that a media too spineless to ask the tough questions prior to the invasion of Iraq continues that grand tradition by bending over backwards to accommodate people on the far edge of American political life who yell "liberal" with the same gusto that Nurembergers shouted "Jew!" in 1936.

Wow.

Beware indeed.

577 zmdavid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:41:01pm

re: #561 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Maybe rna.com is still open.

578 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:41:05pm

re: #562 MrMom

Loppyd
3 wood
Didn't take. I'd also politely invited it not to stick around and be offended. But, hopefully the pudding's back!

Pudding Pops for all!

579 Cygnus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:41:09pm

re: #490 jcm

re: #485 Peacekeeper

re: #476 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

fothermucking sockcooking moosecrimpers!

Never let a moosecrimper cook your socks while mucking fothers.

Moosecrimper sock soup. Mmmmmm. Now go back to whatever the heck you were doing.

580 godfrey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:41:18pm

re: #551 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Really? I found it typical and tiresome. Here's the link: [Link: www.encyclopedia.com...]

His writing strikes me as typical of any lapsed religious person of more education than sense who finds himself suddenly touted as some sort of wit or authority or 'promising' young person. This kind of abstracted, over-intellectualized cynicism is exactly the sort of thing Bill Whittle puts over his knee for a well-deserved spanking. It's only interesting because it grates. YMMV.

581 Abu Lahab  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:41:40pm

Those correspondences show the intellectual level of those working on CAIR's behalf. A self-respecting journalist who knows the basic ethics of journalism will try to get all sides of a story covered.
There are some great journalists out there, but the majority remind me of what Norman Mailer once said,

"If a person is not talented enough to be a novelist, not smart enough to be a lawyer, and his hands are too shaky to perform operations, he becomes a journalist"
582 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:41:45pm

Ok, time for a humour break,

Omid Djalili - Pride and Racial Prejudice, Iranian Style!

Omid Djalil is a British/Iranian comedian, wickedly funny, very politically incorrect, skeewers everybody.

Fave line:

We have a saying in Persia, "Why nibble at the lamb when you can stuff the whole sheep!"
583 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:42:02pm

re: #548 Dar ul Harb
Yep, give it time. It'll be like my boys when they found my high school slide rule and did not believe it was a calculator.

584 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:42:13pm
Occasional Reader

Oh goody, you and PK on the same thread.

Hey what am I? Chuckin fopped liver over here?

585 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:42:35pm

More later! Palindromically yours, OR
(Go hang a salami, I'm a lasagna hog)

586 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:42:55pm

re: #533 lawhawk


Hopefully it will be something better than
"Did we say that LGF was an Anti-Islamic web site"

587 godfrey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:43:09pm

Michael Palin rode dromedaries?

588 Shug  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:43:12pm

OT

Good News : The Friends of CAIR in Iraq didn't send Down Syndrome women on suicide mission.
Turns out they were only psychiatric patients, and had normal chromosomes.

589 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:43:16pm

re: #584 Dirk Diggler

AND DIRK DIGGLER MY FAVOURITE UCKING FOPPED CHLIVER!

590 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:43:21pm

re: #584 Dirk Diggler

Occasional ReaderOh goody, you and PK on the same thread.

Hey what am I? Chuckin fopped liver over here?

Well, you certainly aren't Adriana Lima, that's for sure.

591 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:43:25pm

re: #575 Topspin Lob

Ladies, Gents:

I'm reading too many comments here re: yay, we showed Mr. Townsend to be an arrogant fool, etc. STOPPPPP! We want journalists on our side.

Winning this little rhetorical battle may feel great, but playing gotcha is not gonna advance the goal, which is: Every time the media writes about CAIR, HLF, etc., contacting LGF for its take on the matter should be automatic/a given.

Every single reporter who reads this site, in an ideal world, should leave here with a positive feeling, i.e., "They sound like nice, rational, intelligent folks. I AM GOING TO CONTACT LGF FOR QUOTES FOR A FUTURE STORY."

In a perfect world, just about every contact with a reporter should end with the following sentiment: "That was a nice conversation. We should have lunch sometime. I'd like to hear more about XYZ."

Personality trumps raw knowledge in journalism. Remember that....

That's all well and good. When dealing with adults who are competent at their jobs. My guess is any real journalists reading this are thinking not about LGF but about the boob who calls himself a "journalist."

592 x-ray[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:43:45pm
593 Cognito  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:43:58pm

re: #575 Topspin Lob

Ladies, Gents:

I'm reading too many comments here re: yay, we showed Mr. Townsend to be an arrogant fool, etc. STOPPPPP! We want journalists on our side.

Winning this little rhetorical battle may feel great, but playing gotcha is not gonna advance the goal, which is: Every time the media writes about CAIR, HLF, etc., contacting LGF for its take on the matter should be automatic/a given.

Every single reporter who reads this site, in an ideal world, should leave here with a positive feeling, i.e., "They sound like nice, rational, intelligent folks. I AM GOING TO CONTACT LGF FOR QUOTES FOR A FUTURE STORY."

In a perfect world, just about every contact with a reporter should end with the following sentiment: "That was a nice conversation. We should have lunch sometime. I'd like to hear more about XYZ."

Personality trumps raw knowledge in journalism. Remember that....

I see you're new here. Welcome, and bravo.

Unfortunately I've been saying the same thing for ages, it feels like: Too many people here are distracted by a war on the media, so to speak, to the point they've forgotten that the real object is to draw attention to the misdeeds of radical Islam.

594 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:44:10pm

re: #569 Phocid

With respect, you might want to learn about the Sufi Muslims.

I'm virulently anti-Islamist, but the more I have time to learn about the Sufi, the more I'm coming to see that they strongly tend to be very different.

595 godfrey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:44:16pm

re: #590 lawhawk

That would be this Adriana Lima, presumably.

596 Bobibutu  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:44:26pm

re: #572 snowcrash

How embarassing for Townsend to let the real story slip by only to be snapped up by a bigger fish. Twit Townsend deserves the small pond he swims in. I do hope you are reading this.

I do not think he has yet grasped his ignorance and missed opportunity. Perhaps someone with a superior intellect and moderated ego at the establishment might attempt in getting thru to him.

/

597 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:44:46pm

re: #575 Topspin Lob
I thought real journalism was about FACTS not personality.

598 Canadian Guy  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:45:05pm

re: #524 JammieWearingFool

re: #470 Charles


By the way, Charles Jaco of Fox St. Louis has contacted me about the story.

Beware.

A guy who uses "chickenhawk." Oh oh.

599 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:45:29pm

re: #555 OldLineTexan

re: #521 MandyManners


re: #475 Ward Cleaver

Here's the Web site of the magazine that gave Townsend an award:

The Christian Century

The article about moderate Baptists is a hoot. Diversity?

Just curious, but what do you mean?

What's next in the name of diversity? Homosexual preachers?

600 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:45:32pm

Many of you will recall that on July 8, 1947, almost
exactly 61 years
ago, witnesses claim that an unidentified flying object
(UFO) with five
aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep and cattle ranch just
outside
Roswell , New Mexico . This is a well-known incident that
many say has
long been covered up by the U.S.Air Force and other
federal
organizations and Agencies.
However, what you may NOT know is that in 1948, within
nine months to a
year after that historic day, the following people were
born:

Albert A. Gore, Jr.
Hillary Rodham
John F. Kerry
William J. Clinton
Howard Dean
Nancy Pelosi
Dianne Feinstein
Charles E. Schumer
Barbara Boxer

See what happens when aliens breed with sheep?

I certainly hope this bit of information clears up a lot
of things for
you. It did for me.

601 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:46:02pm

re: #556 chubby vegan

"I know you are, but what am I."
Pee Wee's Big Adventure

I'm rubber you're glue
it bounces off me and sticks to you

602 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:46:39pm

re: #592 x-ray

Is this the same Townsend that was accused of pedophilia a while ago?

/practicing for MSM gig,
Actually checking the facts myself is beneath me so I'll wait for a press release from a trusted friend.

Are you thinking of Pete Townsend?

603 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:46:41pm

re: #571 Widow'smight

re: #532 loppyd

Are you still looking at a Lab Pup? I have a Golden, and he's great. Either way, they need lots of exercise and a place to swim.
They chew like crazy, and love sticks. Hope you're ready for another immature creature in your place (along with BF).

LOL.

Yes, we are planning to get a Lab. I love Goldens, but I am allergic. Labs are one of the only breeds that don't make me wheeze.

I had a Lab growing up and another one I lost in a breakup a few years back so I am fully aware of their spaziness! We live a block from a beach and there is a huge dog park near us as well....

How old is your Golden?

604 Athos  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:46:53pm

How typical of the 'modern print reporter' - the same juvenile el cubo / useful idiot snark that can be found written by a KosKossack or HuffPo pinhead. I guess the new rule of journalism school is to advance the ideology over advancing the facts of a story.

How nice it is to see the Fourth Estate is still actively supporting and abetting the Fifth Column within this country.

605 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:47:14pm

re: #582 Kenneth

"Why nibble at the lamb when you can stuff the whole sheep!"

Now that would make a great rotating title.

606 maddogg  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:47:17pm

re: #576 wahabicorridor

re: #524 JammieWearingFool


re: #470 Charles

By the way, Charles Jaco of Fox St. Louis has contacted me about the story.

Beware.


It is, unfortunately, not surprising that a media too spineless to ask the tough questions prior to the invasion of Iraq continues that grand tradition by bending over backwards to accommodate people on the far edge of American political life who yell "liberal" with the same gusto that Nurembergers shouted "Jew!" in 1936.

Wow.

Beware indeed.

Humm. Looks like this Jaco might be a meat minaret in his own right.

607 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:48:08pm

re: #574 WriterMom

Here you go...

omid djalili - crazy arab with a hook

608 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:48:41pm

re: #580 godfrey

re: #551 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Really? I found it typical and tiresome. Here's the link: [Link: www.encyclopedia.com...]

His writing strikes me as typical of any lapsed religious person of more education than sense who finds himself suddenly touted as some sort of wit or authority or 'promising' young person. This kind of abstracted, over-intellectualized cynicism is exactly the sort of thing Bill Whittle puts over his knee for a well-deserved spanking. It's only interesting because it grates. YMMV.

I'd wondered about that while reading an article, linked up-thread, posted on the Yale Divinity site. Townsend's older, spent a number of years as a working-stiff bartender, but he does seem ... uh ... rather "young".

609 sifty  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:49:05pm

re: #575 Topspin Lob

Reporters are just people.

If they care about doing their job they will do their job well. If they don't, no amount of ass-kissing will make a difference.

Reporters being idolized is what got us whack-jobs like Moyers and Rather.

610 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:49:18pm

re: #533 lawhawk,

Very well written, factual, and to the point. Maybe they should fire Townsend and hire you :-)

611 age of freedom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:49:21pm

This whole story, from the very first post of the St. Louis Mosquito, to this very one, is a spec of evidence to the moronic convergence of leftists and islamiac scums.

Tim's replies made me physically ill. What a useless scum.
Tim's a typical case of promotion to the level of incompetence.

612 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:50:43pm

re: #591 jcm

From personal experience ... amen. Those true professionals do exist out there.

613 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:50:55pm
614 nose  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:51:52pm

As I read the articles, it actually was NOT Townsend that called LGF a hate site, it was, in fact, CAIR; and that was in the KMOV post, not the STL Post.

Maybe the appropriate response is to jump all over CAIR or KMOV, but I don't see the point of CJ's exchange with Townsend.

615 x-ray  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:52:01pm

re: #602 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yes but typing Townsend and pedophile into Google would have only made it so I knew what I wrote was wrong:)

616 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:52:53pm

Tim Townsend sounds rather arrogant and irresponsible.

617 AMER1CAN  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:52:56pm

You don't think any of this attention hurts my chances of running for president one day, do you?

/sarc

Is it too early to laugh at myself yet? Or do I need to go back into hiding? :)

618 Cygnus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:53:33pm

re: #530 MrMom

re: #453 Dirk Diggler

PK,

fothermucker


sockcucker


hitshead

hickdead

619 Pyrocles  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:53:43pm

Yeah, careful Charles... This guy's probably hunting for a hit piece.

re: #524 JammieWearingFool

re: #470 Charles


By the way, Charles Jaco of Fox St. Louis has contacted me about the story.

Beware.
620 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:54:11pm

re: #575 Topspin Lob

Ladies, Gents:

I'm reading too many comments here re: yay, we showed Mr. Townsend to be an arrogant fool, etc. STOPPPPP! We want journalists on our side.

Winning this little rhetorical battle may feel great, but playing gotcha is not gonna advance the goal, which is: Every time the media writes about CAIR, HLF, etc., contacting LGF for its take on the matter should be automatic/a given.

Every single reporter who reads this site, in an ideal world, should leave here with a positive feeling, i.e., "They sound like nice, rational, intelligent folks. I AM GOING TO CONTACT LGF FOR QUOTES FOR A FUTURE STORY."

In a perfect world, just about every contact with a reporter should end with the following sentiment: "That was a nice conversation. We should have lunch sometime. I'd like to hear more about XYZ."

Personality trumps raw knowledge in journalism. Remember that....

Journalists aren't supposed to be on our side. They're supposed to report the news objectively. That isn't happening - in stories small and large. They're injecting their bias, opinion, and violating basic journalism precepts like contacting all those involved in the story to comment. It's not like there was a deadline to be had that couldn't get extended simply by emailing Charles to get his side - or to bother visiting the site to see what was going on.

In a larger sense, you may want to try and get journalists "on your side" as opposed to antagonizing them further, but this isn't the case here - we have a reporter who clearly doesn't want to address deficiencies with his story, starting with the fact that it is largely a rewrite of a presser.

621 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:54:12pm
622 BulgarWheat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:54:13pm

re: #412 Peacekeeper

but you can't tell him much

623 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:54:26pm

TFK is back!

624 Josephine  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:54:27pm

Mr. Johnson,

Here are my suggestions, for what they are worth.

It's too easy to ignore unwanted emails. Seeing something in print carries more weight and indicates that the sender takes the issue seriously.

I would send copies of this email exchange, with a covering letter, to the publisher and managing editor of the newspaper. I would also include a print-out of CAIR's press release and Tim Townsend's article. (The copy of the press release would show that Mr. Townsend most certainly knew why you said that LGF was not "anti-Muslim" and was being unnecessarily aggressive with you.) I would also print out a screen cap of the part of your website in which you state that comments are not moderated, etc.

I would send it all via Registered Letter and would require signatures to prove they had been delivered. In the covering letter, I would request a phone call at their earliest possible convenience.

Their first error was in picking up and running an inflammatory and libelous one-sided press release and not contacting you for your side of the story. This was not a fair or balanced report: this was poor journalism which reflected badly on the reporter and the newspaper.

The second error was Tim Townsend's unprofessional response to your email. Of course you were offended: you had every right to be. He responded in a childish way that one would hope does not represent the attitude of the newspaper's staff towards the general public at large.

The newspaper can rectify its errors by assigning a different reporter to interview you and allowing you to present your side of the story.

625 slokat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:54:39pm

Humble request for anyone that lives in the city.

I'm used to being able to view local deed info online, but don't belong to the professional services that are allowed to search the deed registry in St. Louis

Who owns the minaret property?

Also, the planning or building permits should state if sound equipment has been approved.

I'd drive over and see, but it's along way from the left coast...

626 impostinat0r  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:54:49pm

The perfect setup.

1)They simply register a bunch of shill accounts on your forum.

2) Figure out your response time for deleting hate speech.

3) Prepare their Press Releases.

4)Get their Provocateurs to provoke, complainants to complain.

In 2 hours you're branded with press releases of "The FBI is investigating you." Which is the most effective way to silence you.

Both you and the FBI need to be aware of this particular tactic in the Political front of the Global Jihad being waged by extremist elements of Islam against the West.
You are a textbook example now.

627 Widow'smight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:55:07pm

re: #603 loppyd

We did our daily 1 hour hike, he ate, he sleeps.

We have a place to take him where he runs free, and he listens very well. He's very jealous though. The cats are not allowed to get attention without him sticking his wet nose into things.

628 musicman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:55:16pm

re: #540 JammieWearingFool


629 turn  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:55:32pm

re: #571 Widow'smight

re: #532 loppyd

Are you still looking at a Lab Pup? I have a Golden, and he's great. Either way, they need lots of exercise and a place to swim.
They chew like crazy, and love sticks. Hope you're ready for another immature creature in your place (along with BF).

... and you forgot to add they like jumping!

great dogs - here's my Luke
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

630 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:55:34pm

re: #614 nose

As I read the articles, it actually was NOT Townsend that called LGF a hate site, it was, in fact, CAIR; and that was in the KMOV post, not the STL Post.

Maybe the appropriate response is to jump all over CAIR or KMOV, but I don't see the point of CJ's exchange with Townsend.

The point is CJ asked for "equal time" or "equal treatment" Townsend stiff armed him. Towsend failed in professional due diligence to contact Charles ask for a response to the accusations. Townsend's response was unprofessional, immature and down right rude.

631 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:56:26pm

re: #575 Topspin Lob
How AREthings in fantasyland? These are msm 'journalists' and they will NEVER. EVER. give a site like LGF a fair hearing. EVER.

632 Render  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:57:37pm

[Link: middled.blogspot.com...]

"Though the press had been notified, the only journalist in attendance was Tim Townsend of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, who Khaled described as a friend."

-Who is Khaled?

[Link: www.theamericanmuslim.org...]

"Dr. Khaled Hamid, a physician and a CAIR board member."

-I don't think the Prosecution is going to need many more questions answered.

FLUX
CAPACITOR,
R

633 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:57:39pm

re: #593 Cognito


Personality trumps raw knowledge in journalism. Remember that....

634 Cognito  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:57:40pm

re: #631 MrMom

re: #575 Topspin Lob
How AREthings in fantasyland? These are msm 'journalists' and they will NEVER. EVER. give a site like LGF a fair hearing. EVER.

Do you see the irony in what you've just said? To a journalist? On LGF?

635 canadianally  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:57:50pm

re: #252 Promethea

re: #98 ModerateWolverine


I'm pretty young, so I don't really know exactly when the MSM fell off the deep end. Actually, were they ever respectable or was it always a sham with little kids like this?

I believe the MSM were always like this (without the Gramscian whore baggage). It's just that now, thanks to Charles and others, we have a way of checking their biases. We can also question their basic narratives (like "the Viet Cong were noble peasant nationalists") in a way that we never could before.

Although LGF commenters often sound like a group of like-minded people, the thread a few days ago on Kosovo shows the power of this website. People had a wide variety of opinions and were citing from historical knowledge, personal experience, and many different outlooks.

Little Green Footballs is a national treasure. Thanks again, Charles.

Little Green Fottballs is an international treasure. Fur-clad lizards from Canada read LGF too! I remember the days when I only had access to CBC News. Ouch.

636 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:57:50pm

re: #245 Jeff R

Yes he can. There is a link in the left side bar where he tracks threatening E-Mails from a Reuters account.

637 nose  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:58:12pm

I'm not trying to be a Townsend apologist, but no, CJ did not ask for equal time/equal treatment. He jumped right in and accused him. You come at me like that and I'll probably give you similar treatment because I'll dismiss you as someone that doesn't care about the facts and have only an axe to grind.

638 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:58:13pm

re: #578 loppyd

re: #562 MrMom


Loppyd
3 wood
Didn't take. I'd also politely invited it not to stick around and be offended. But, hopefully the pudding's back!

Pudding Pops for all!

You're Bill Cosby, aren't you?!

639 jcm  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:58:17pm

re: #626 impostinat0r

The perfect setup.

1)They simply register a bunch of shill accounts on your forum.

2) Figure out your response time for deleting hate speech.

3) Prepare their Press Releases.

4)Get their Provocateurs to provoke, complainants to complain.

In 2 hours you're branded with press releases of "The FBI is investigating you." Which is the most effective way to silence you.

Both you and the FBI need to be aware of this particular tactic in the Political front of the Global Jihad being waged by extremist elements of Islam against the West.
You are a textbook example now.

Moby -- as defined in the official LGF dictionary.

640 deacon  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:58:25pm

reminds me of when I worked at the newspaper. I would often ask the reporters how they could report that someone fell 500 feet to their death from a 7 story building. Then I would have to explain the details because they could not grasp it. Then there was the time when an escaped convict hid among 5-6 foot tall soybean plants. Being a newspaper in Indiana, it should be a no-brainer that soybean plants do not grow that tall. I have never been impressed by their intelligence or common sense and the only serious commitment they will show is when they are trying to get to the local bar before happy hour ends.

641 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:58:47pm
642 Suzette  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:58:49pm

re: #597 pingjockey

re: #575 Topspin Lob
I thought real journalism was about FACTS not personality.

Well it should be about facts, but is more about personality the all revered "opinion". Never mind that ones "opinion" could be wrong or that facts show that ones "opinion" is wrong.

This whole mess was created by Cair.....lifting some stupid comments.
Let's forget the fact the comments were deleted and were not something that Charles wrote or approved of.
Charles this guy in the emails he sent you clearly showed extreme biasness towards the story. He didn't want the facts. He became rude and obnoxious. A true seeker of truth/not.

Exactly when did decency and professionalism and common courtesy step out the door?

643 Cygnus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:59:02pm

re: #573 rappmandu

There are some who call me "Tim"?

One could see almost the entire movie just from clips posted on LGF. One of the funniest movies ever!

644 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:59:18pm

re: #629 turn

re: #571 Widow'smight


re: #532 loppyd

Are you still looking at a Lab Pup? I have a Golden, and he's great. Either way, they need lots of exercise and a place to swim.
They chew like crazy, and love sticks. Hope you're ready for another immature creature in your place (along with BF).


... and you forgot to add they like jumping!

great dogs - here's my Luke
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

He is ADORABLE! How old?

645 Catttt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:59:53pm

re: #483 Cognito

re: #474 loppyd


re: #451 3 wood

re: #384 loppyd


By the way, thank you for getting Cog pissed enough to leave.

Good job.


You are most welcome. We shall see if it lasts.

Um, I'm hardly pissed. And I've hardly left.

Just reading and enjoying.

Like I said, 'See you later.'

Waves at Cog. :) Whistles and shuffles feet. Blushes.

646 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 12:59:59pm

re: #175 pingjockey

re: #161 3 wood
Did cog get mad and take his ball and leave?

He took all the damn pudding.

647 Widow'smight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:00:02pm

re: #629 turn

My Avatar's name is Luke also, named after a boy my 10 year old daughter has a crush on.

648 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:00:19pm

To those complete NEWBIES (and oldbies if I missed you) who are commenting that "Charles might not be Anti-Muslim, but I am....":

I don't run LGF, but I not so politely suggest that you just sign off LGF & go F--- yourselves with a rusty rake.

I, for one, do not want your small minded, idiotic, dips--t, outright (and moronically proud of it) Islamophobia on this site. You will contribute nothing to this site but hate-filled, pathetic, and disgusting opinions and attitudes. You are a moron and would be banned for good if I had any say over it.

Not only are you so stupid that you outright hate an entire group of people based solely on their religious beliefs (knowing nothing about their individual practices or actions) but magnify the clear evidence of your brainlessness by bragging about it!

Furthermore, you do so on a thread that pertains to the obnoxious blowback from other idiots who felt that their pathetic Anti-Muslim attitude would be acceptable here. Congratulations on being the frontrunner for the dumbass awards!

You all are obviously mentally deficient, so maybe you need it ito be spelled out in clear and concise terms so that it will overcome your major lack of intelligence: You and your imbecilic Anti-Muslim attitude is not acceptable, or even appreciated on LGF. If you want to be a hate-filled, thoughtless moron go to Stormfront!

I maintain nothing but contempt and disgust for you and your pathetic Anti-Muslim attitude.

(I apologize to Charles for the bold)

649 Charles  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:00:39pm

re: #632 Render

[Link: middled.blogspot.com...]

"Though the press had been notified, the only journalist in attendance was Tim Townsend of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, who Khaled described as a friend."

-Who is Khaled?

[Link: www.theamericanmuslim.org...]

"Dr. Khaled Hamid, a physician and a CAIR board member."

-I don't think the Prosecution is going to need many more questions answered.

FLUX
CAPACITOR,
R

Well, that certainly explains things. Townsend is a friend of a CAIR board member.

650 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:01:25pm

re: #614 nose

As I read the articles, it actually was NOT Townsend that called LGF a hate site, it was, in fact, CAIR; and that was in the KMOV post, not the STL Post.

Maybe the appropriate response is to jump all over CAIR or KMOV, but I don't see the point of CJ's exchange with Townsend.

This is beyond what you commented about, but it pertinant. See Render's comment (here) from the prior thread.

651 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:02:00pm

re: #599 MandyManners

re: #555 OldLineTexan


re: #521 MandyManners

re: #475 Ward Cleaver

Here's the Web site of the magazine that gave Townsend an award:

The Christian Century

The article about moderate Baptists is a hoot. Diversity?

Just curious, but what do you mean?

What's next in the name of diversity? Homosexual preachers?

Thanks, I was just a bit worried there for a moment.

Somehow, I don't see the Southern Baptists getting that diverse.

652 nose  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:02:36pm

re: #648 WrathofG-d

yeah, thanks for that. the bold was highly appreciated. you just get done with the make friends and influence people book?

653 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:03:07pm

re: #638 MrMom

re: #578 loppyd


re: #562 MrMom

Loppyd
3 wood
Didn't take. I'd also politely invited it not to stick around and be offended. But, hopefully the pudding's back!

Pudding Pops for all!

You're Bill Cosby, aren't you?!

That's me. Hanging with Fat Albert and Mushmouth.

654 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:03:30pm

re: #600 JimmyTheClaw

I only wish I could ding you + more than once!

655 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:03:35pm

Like the old saying goes: "There's one side to every story".

656 Catttt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:03:46pm

re: #625 slokat

Humble request for anyone that lives in the city.

I'm used to being able to view local deed info online, but don't belong to the professional services that are allowed to search the deed registry in St. Louis

Who owns the minaret property?

Also, the planning or building permits should state if sound equipment has been approved.

I'd drive over and see, but it's along way from the left coast...

The tower is for show only - it is not wired for sound at all. I read that earlier today in one of the stories linked here somewhere.

657 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:03:54pm

re: #652 nose

re: #648 WrathofG-d

yeah, thanks for that. the bold was highly appreciated. you just get done with the make friends and influence people book?

Pretty funny joke. (honestly). But the truth is, I don't need any hate-filled, idiotic, small minded Anti-Muslim friends.

658 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:03:56pm
659 formercorpsman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:04:13pm

re: #593 Cognito

Cognito, I understand both of your points.

But recognize, it was the media that fell from grace. One of the sacred protections of our Constitution is freedom of the press.

With the msm decidedly biased, and in this instance, this journalist failed at doing a sophomoric level vetting of his story, it should not rest on the shoulders of Charles to point this out.

With that being said, if the prerequisite is to expect not being given a fair shake from the get go, it would seem idiotic to assume somehow a demure retort will garner respect from that point forward.

It is disturbing to think that our reporters are parroting word for word, press releases from CAIR, but not able to jot an email, or pick up a phone to get the other side of the story.

660 Cygnus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:04:47pm

re: #644 loppyd

re: #629 turn

re: #571 Widow'smight


re: #532 loppydAre you still looking at a Lab Pup? I have a Golden, and he's great. Either way, they need lots of exercise and a place to swim.
They chew like crazy, and love sticks. Hope you're ready for another immature creature in your place (along with BF).


... and you forgot to add they like jumping!great dogs - here's my Luke
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

He is ADORABLE! How old?

All together now...AWWWWWWWW!

661 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:05:22pm
662 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:05:23pm

re: #466 Charles

Charles,

Please don't misunderstand me. I don't think you were wrong in writing what you did. What you said was accurate and fair. *You* have nothing whatever to apologize for. I am not criticizing the content of your email.

I'm just saying that as a practical/strategic matter, if you wanted an apology or retraction from this clown your strong tone was a priori, unlikely to succeed, that's all.

Nobody likes it when you point out how badly they are doing their job (particularly "professionals"), and the the wronger, stupider, or more petty they are, the more they resent it.

In this case, the sloppiness of the article was a clue that its author lacked professional integrity. Make any demand from someone like that and they are likely to refuse. If your goal was to get an apology or correction, a "softer" approach might have been a little more successful. (In practice, I still doubt you would have gotten either an apology or a retraction, though his response might have been less childish).

In terms of this guys response, I couldn't agree more that it was utterly beyond the pale; totally unprofessional and immature. That would be true regardless of the content of your email.

Again, if I were his boss/editor, I'd make him either issue an immediate apology or walk. You can't afford to have someone with that bad judgment representing your group.

663 Tigger2005  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:05:37pm

My E-mail to Mr. Townsend:

Dear Mr. Townsend,

The confrontation with Islamic jihad is the most important issue of our times. At stake is the future of Western, Enlightenment, democratic civilization, of which a free press is one of the most important elements.

CAIR, the Counsel for American-Islamic Relations, is essentially a Jihadi fifth column. Numerous important members of CAIR have demonstrated ties to Islamic terrorist groups. CAIR's purpose and intent is to stifle all criticism of Islam through lawsuits and intimidation, paving the way for an eventual Islamic takeover of this country. One CAIR official has stated that their goal is to replace the Constitution with Shari'a law. All of this is documented.

As a reporter, why is none of this of interest to you? Why is none of this news? Why do you take CAIR's statements at face value? Why don't you want to learn more about this organization? I thought reporters were supposed to be inquisitive. I thought they loved to do hard-hitting investigative journalism. Instead, you just dutifully report what CAIR tells you, without questioning their objectivity or their motives or their "facts." Then when someone CAIR has smeared through you calls you on this, you say, in essence, "How DARE you rant to me about my story and demand an apology! I am a REPORTER!"

Well, no, you're not. A true reporter goes out and finds the FACTS, and reports those. He doesn't report what others tell him as facts, without taking the time to get the other side of the story.

You are just a glorified, overpaid copywriter, and you don't even write your own copy, you let others write it for you. You're also a spokesperson for Western civilization's enemies (and by extension, for those who seek the destruction of the free press, one of Western civilization's cornerstones).

Sincerely,

...

664 Suzette  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:05:57pm

re: #637 nose

I'm not trying to be a Townsend apologist, but no, CJ did not ask for equal time/equal treatment. He jumped right in and accused him. You come at me like that and I'll probably give you similar treatment because I'll dismiss you as someone that doesn't care about the facts and have only an axe to grind.

Really?
/that sensitive are you.
I didn't find Charles' e-mail rude at all. But then again....I don't wear my temper/ego/sensivity on my shoulder.
Apparently you have never come across really rude people.

665 nose  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:06:02pm

re: #650 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Again, I'm not saying Townsend isn't an asshat; he may very well be; maybe in someone's pocket, maybe he just drinks the kool-aid. I don't know and really don't care.

My only point was that CJ went off the rails on his email exchange in attributing the anti-muslim comment to Townsend and then when Townsend wanted to know who it was that said it, CJ just dug in his heels and got pissed; and it all fell apart from there.

Instead of being able to draw out information or shape future opinion, the resource is now burned. Townsend may very well never been a friend, ally, or otherwise of LGF, but he's definitely an enemy now.

666 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:06:16pm

re: #659 formercorpsman

From Charles link about that this "reporter" is actually a "good friend" of a high ranking CAIR employee....I get the feeling that this reporter knew exactly what he was doing & didn't want to get both sides.

He knew it was a one-sided hit job, and for that reason published the article.

667 Phocid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:06:35pm

I need to clarify--it is usually considered that the Sufis are a more user friendly and tolerant brand of Islam... this is true to the extent they are involved in mysticism and poetry but the Sufi tradition is spottyre: #594 pre-Boomer Marine brat

. I had friends who joined a Sufi group and in no time they were practicing a severe and intolerant form of Islamic fundamentalism. Al Ghazali, a famous Sufi scholar of the 11th Century, urged Jihad for all followers and vigorously advocated the suppression of philosophy and free thought. The fellow who was responsible for the Belsan school massacre, Shamil Basayev, was a Sufi. Remember we are not talking about the "goofy sufis" we see in countercultural communities in this country.

668 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:07:06pm

re: #666 WrathofG-d

re: #659 formercorpsman

From Charles link about that this "reporter" is actually a "good friend" of a high ranking CAIR employee....I get the feeling that this reporter knew exactly what he was doing & didn't want to get both sides.

He knew it was a one-sided hit job, and for that reason published the article.

Shocka!

669 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:07:33pm

re: #663 Tigger2005

You just gave everyone your name and address....you might want to have that post removed.

Not all that read this site are friends (obviously)

670 Palandine  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:07:39pm

re: #625 slokat

Humble request for anyone that lives in the city.

I'm used to being able to view local deed info online, but don't belong to the professional services that are allowed to search the deed registry in St. Louis

Who owns the minaret property?

Also, the planning or building permits should state if sound equipment has been approved.

I'd drive over and see, but it's along way from the left coast...

Assessor's site

I'll drive over in the next few days to see if it has speakers. I'm not going today bcause I don't want my picture taken by a Fed. It does have a little balcony about halfway up for a caller to stand in, so they might actually use a muzzein and not loudspeakers.

671 chubby vegan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:07:53pm

The one on the left is Charles.

672 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:08:58pm

re: #668 loppyd

Every new political movement (Mafia) needs its PR people and soldiers in the media.

673 nose  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:09:18pm

re: #664 Suzette

If you don't want to call CJ rude, then you can't call Townsend rude. If both of them were kids, I'd have them both go sit in a corner over it.

You don't have any idea if I know what "real" rude people are.

674 musicman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:09:19pm

re: #599 MandyManners

re: #555 OldLineTexan

re: #521 MandyManners


re: #475 Ward Cleaver


Here's the Web site of the magazine that gave Townsend an award:

The Christian Century


The article about moderate Baptists is a hoot. Diversity?


Just curious, but what do you mean?

What's next in the name of diversity? Homosexual preachers?

That's what Anthony Campolo wants. As a matter of information, Mike Huckabee split from the Southern Baptist Convention and aligned himself with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship.

675 Cognito  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:09:55pm

re: #659 formercorpsman

As usual, formercorpsman, I agree with what you've said.

I would add, though, that the press isn't dying -- heaven help us if it does -- but it is certainly evolving. It doesn't matter to me whether there's an independent press that distributes news on paper, or an independent press that distributes news online.

My point wasn't so much about polite retorts as it was about a larger view: To see the press as a means, not an enemy. The real enemy, of course, is militant Islam.

676 Cygnus  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:10:15pm

OK - way OT, kids - who's going to get out and see the lunar eclipse tonight?

677 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:10:16pm

I dare, for once, there to be a journalist who is an American first and a journalist second.

678 Suzette  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:10:28pm

re: #649 Charles

Charles --- he was biased and certainly didn't want your side of the story.
/his snarkiness comes through loud and clear in his e-mails.
Clearly disgusting.

679 blutonazi98  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:10:41pm

"do you ever sit back and wonder why at your age you are the "religion" reporter for a failing crappy little paper that is losing its readership? after reading your email to Mr. Johnson I don't.

good luck with your career, maybe if you stop being a dick you could move up and be the Entertainment and TV columnist."

i send my love

680 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:11:02pm

re: #678 Suzette

u r here early!

681 Tigger2005  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:11:40pm

LOL I kinda think Charles burned that bridge with the Dan Rather kerfuffle ....

re: #575 Topspin Lob

Ladies, Gents:

I'm reading too many comments here re: yay, we showed Mr. Townsend to be an arrogant fool, etc. STOPPPPP! We want journalists on our side.

Winning this little rhetorical battle may feel great, but playing gotcha is not gonna advance the goal, which is: Every time the media writes about CAIR, HLF, etc., contacting LGF for its take on the matter should be automatic/a given.

Every single reporter who reads this site, in an ideal world, should leave here with a positive feeling, i.e., "They sound like nice, rational, intelligent folks. I AM GOING TO CONTACT LGF FOR QUOTES FOR A FUTURE STORY."

In a perfect world, just about every contact with a reporter should end with the following sentiment: "That was a nice conversation. We should have lunch sometime. I'd like to hear more about XYZ."

Personality trumps raw knowledge in journalism. Remember that....

682 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:11:49pm

re: #649 Charles

Well, that certainly explains things. Townsend is a friend of a CAIR board member.

That explains why he didn't bother to look at the other side of the story. . . though obviously it doesn't justify it.

One wonders what, if anything, the editor, the publishers of the newspaper, and perhaps any competing media outlets in his or other markets might think of this apparent conflict of interest.

It does not explain or justify his utterly unprofessional childish response to your email.

683 jordash1212  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:12:18pm
On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Tim Townsend wrote:

Oooohh. You’re like a master of logic. So smart.

Wow, you’re going to TELL on me?

This guy sounds like someone with a maturity level equivalent to my little sister in the 6th grade.

Please let us know what his editors have to say, or if they choose to respond at all.

684 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:12:34pm

re: #672 WrathofG-d

re: #668 loppyd

Every new political movement (Mafia) needs its PR people and soldiers in the media.

Interesting. A mole?

685 Suzette  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:12:42pm

re: #657 WrathofG-d

re: #652 nose


re: #648 WrathofG-d

yeah, thanks for that. the bold was highly appreciated. you just get done with the make friends and influence people book?


Pretty funny joke. (honestly). But the truth is, I don't need any hate-filled, idiotic, small minded Anti-Muslim friends.

Heh...Wrath :)
/I didn't mind your bold.

686 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:12:54pm

re: #634 Cognito
No irony at all. You are only one journalist. I am sorry that the respect for your profession has sunk to abyssal levels, but see; Rather, Dan. Blair, Jayson. The NY Times, the WaPo. Not facts, opinions reported as news. Not what I was taught in journalism class.

687 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:13:07pm

re: #676 Cygnus

OK - way OT, kids - who's going to get out and see the lunar eclipse tonight?

It's not OT...there's been a lot of lunatic activity here the last two days.

688 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:13:13pm

re: #592 x-ray

Oh, please.

689 Suzette  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:13:51pm

re: #680 WrathofG-d

re: #678 Suzette

u r here early!

Usually am....just don't comment unless I have something to say!

/ Hey Wrath! ;)'
Hope you aren't working too hard.

690 godfrey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:14:20pm

re: #686 pingjockey

What I don't get is why anyone thinks an expression of opinion is "news."

You ... you have an opinion?!?!? Stop the presses!

691 Cognito  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:14:37pm

re: #686 pingjockey

re: #634 Cognito
No irony at all. You are only one journalist. I am sorry that the respect for your profession has sunk to abyssal levels, but see; Rather, Dan. Blair, Jayson. The NY Times, the WaPo. Not facts, opinions reported as news. Not what I was taught in journalism class.

Actually I was referring to Topspin Lob.

692 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:14:40pm
693 Topspin Lob  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:14:47pm

Here, steal this for future reference.

Dear Mr. Managing Editor:

I was disturbed and shocked when I read Tim Townsend's February 19 piece "XYZ."

I was disturbed because the story contained many inaccuracies, such as XXXXX. I was shocked to read my organization LGF.com was mentioned in the piece. Yet, I was not contacted for an on-the-record quote. I wasn't even given a heads-up by Mr. Townsend that my organization LGF.com would be mentioned in the story. Why not?

My XX-year-old blog has XXX readers and I have been quoted/interviewed in the past by XX, XX, XX. I would hope that my well-recognized organization LGF.com would be given the kind of respect that warrants at least a courtesy heads-up phone call for a story of this importance. Don't you agree?

There's nothing we can do to change the past. But it's the future that I'm more concerned about.

I am always available by phone or email for an on-the-record quote. Not only that, but I possess an exhaustive amount of information about CAIR/HLF. (See here: [Link: www.xxx.com)...] I would be an excellent and easily accessible resource for any stories regarding the war on terror and Muslim advocacy groups.

You'll see that I have a unique and well-informed take on these matters. If you don't believe me, just ask the XXX registered commenters/users/XXX who currently live in the St. Louis area.

I live in XXXX. Do you have a bureau there? If so, I'd welcome the chance to sit down and speak to the reporters there.

Fair warning, but I am not going to end this matter until I feel there's been a satisfactory conclusion to this matter.

Thanks.....

CC: The publisher, the executive editor and the ADVERTISING SALES DIRECTOR of the newspaper.
CC: Your lawyer
CC: Your PR agency (If you don't have one, get one, get an intern, someone. Get your girlfriend/wife/best friend to field calls when necessary)

694 Phocid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:15:11pm

re: #648 WrathofG-d

"Not only are you so stupid that you outright hate an entire group of people based solely on their religious beliefs (knowing nothing about their individual practices or actions) but magnify the clear evidence of your brainlessness by bragging about it!"

Oh, no, I'm afraid we know far too much about Muslim practices--they're in the news every day: women abused and killed for the crime of being raped, bombs strapped to mentally disabled individuals and sent to blow up crowds of other Muslims, violent foaming riots at the publication of harmless cartoons, driving planes into buildings...need I go on? And what religion do these perps claim to be? And why can't we take a stand against the intolerant ideology that inspires such depraved acts? You are obviously a newbie because you haven't the faintest idea how to engage in a civilized dialogue. And who does that remind us of? Not the jihadi fighters for the glory of the Prophet by chance?

695 Topspin Lob  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:15:56pm

re: #597 pingjockey

You thought wrong.

696 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:16:22pm

re: #412 Peacekeeper

But you can't tell him much!

You bounder. See you on deck Senator.

697 Suzette  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:17:07pm

re: #673 nose

re: #664 Suzette

If you don't want to call CJ rude, then you can't call Townsend rude. If both of them were kids, I'd have them both go sit in a corner over it.

You don't have any idea if I know what "real" rude people are.

Yes I do .... because you said Charles was rude and you clearly stated how you would react to such an e-mail.
I didn't find it rude. Since when does questioning someone about an article written about you become rude?
Let's throw out the fact this guy was biased.

698 Charles  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:17:21pm

re: #665 nose

I did not attribute that comment to Townsend.

699 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:17:44pm

re: #614 nose

Really?

Then you are remarkably obtuse.

700 mean Gene  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:17:51pm

re: #649 Charles

re: #632 Render

[Link: middled.blogspot.com...]

"Though the press had been notified, the only journalist in attendance was Tim Townsend of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, who Khaled described as a friend."

-Who is Khaled?

[Link: www.theamericanmuslim.org...]

"Dr. Khaled Hamid, a physician and a CAIR board member."

-I don't think the Prosecution is going to need many more questions answered.

FLUX
CAPACITOR,
R

Well, that certainly explains things. Townsend is a friend of a CAIR board member.

Do Muslims take infidels as ''friends?"

701 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:18:39pm

re: #691 Cognito
My misread! Damnit!

702 Canadian Guy  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:18:39pm

re: #632 Render

This comment should be a new post exposing the bias of Mr. Townsend.

703 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:19:09pm
704 boocat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:19:23pm

The reporter's replies are astonishing.
Is he a drunk?

Townsend doesn't behave in a professional manner. His correspondence isn't even that of a normal adult.

It seems as though this employee has no respect for his publisher. (I know if the little snot worked for me, I'd can him.)

705 Topspin Lob  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:19:56pm

re: #591 jcm

You're proving my point. Yeah, you're correct, but just sit back and think. You're at your job and someone has a complaint. What type of attitude and demeanor will win you over? "Hey, boob, you suck. And you're incompetent, and your mommy dresses you funny. Can I get some help?"

You get the idea.

This is business. Business. Business. Business. You're not inviting anyone over to the house for drinks. Journalists have a job to do. You can either help them do it easier or you can piss 'em off.

706 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:20:03pm

re: #648 WrathofG-d

Thank you. I almost clicked the "report" button on those. They aren't threatening, but they are sickening. And they for sure don't ding up LGF.

707 chubby vegan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:20:38pm

re: #676 Cygnus

Thought it was last night. Cool! Oh yeah, cloudy here. Not Cool!

708 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:20:56pm

re: #693 Topspin Lob
That's the way to do it.

709 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:21:08pm

re: #695 Topspin Lob
Maybe that is why the msm is held in such contempt and newspapers are losing money.

710 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:21:27pm
711 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:21:54pm

Congratulations to Go_Fish and Render for digging up the alleged "journalist's" cozy CAIR connections.

712 snowcrash  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:21:54pm

re: #693 Topspin Lob
Whoa, Topspin......you do this for a living? Very nice.

713 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:21:58pm

re: #684 loppyd

You have a guy who is a "good friend" of CAIR (see Charles' comment above) who knowingly wrote a one-sided hit-piece against a CAIR target.

I try to stay away from the conspiratorial thinking....BUT there seem to be too many "coincidences" here. Any quick look at the beginnings of any political movement will show that they start with propaganda and paid "journalists" in the media. Sometimes those in the MSM are actually part of the new movement, often co-opinionists, and other times they are simply "useful idiots".

714 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:22:24pm

re: #665 nose

I understand your point. I, too, would have done it differently, but maybe only a bit differently.

The precise point of this thread are TT's responses, which were utterly unprofessional, to say the least, even given CJ's initial e-mail.

715 ladycatnip  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:22:36pm

#693 Topspin Lob

What a great letter - not only for Charles/LGF but good for all bloggers to keep in their arsenal. Excellent!

ladycatnip

716 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:22:41pm

re: #705 Topspin Lob
That is the point, the reporter did not do his job.

717 Cognito  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:22:44pm

re: #698 Charles

re: #665 nose

I did not attribute that comment to Townsend.

For what it's worth, Charles, when you juxtapose:

Your story this morning about Little Green Footballs...


And,

LGF is a highly reputable blog, and we are NOT “anti-Muslim.”


It seems like a pretty clearly drawn connection.

The trouble here is that the core of the story -- the offensive comments at LGF -- is correct. People said some really, really stupid things. The best tack from here, in my opinion, is to negate that as much as possible. Point out that the site is open to anyone who bothers to register, and that the comments were deleted as soon as possible.

And the reporter, of course, should have at least tried to contact you.

718 lanmaster  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:23:19pm

If there was any question at all that modern liberalism has it's foundation in fascism and censorship, this should dispell any further doubt.

Townsend is your quintessential arrogant and fascist liberal.

My guess is he'll probably vote Kool Spinach in '08.

719 Suzette  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:23:33pm

re: #699 Dianna

re: #614 nose

Really?

Then you are remarkably obtuse.

Can I second that.

720 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:23:38pm

This is when the joy of the free market should come in to play. Encourage any and all in the St. Louis area to no longer read the St. Louis Post newspaper. The 'bottom line' is the only thing that will change their minds...unless you are the N.Y. Times.

721 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:23:58pm

re: #700 mean Gene

As the Eagles sang,

It's another taquiya sunrise......

722 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:24:05pm

re: #694 Phocid

Thank you very much for your opinion on this pressing matter, unfortunately however all questions to LGF commenter "WrathofG-d" have to be filed with the official LGF press office, so that they can be formally placed under advisement.

Have a great day!

723 Topspin Lob  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:24:08pm

re: #593 Cognito

Been reading for years. Rarely comment because most of the time my contribution would be: I agree!

Yep, the media needs to be courted not antagonized.

724 Ma Sands  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:24:16pm

re: #676 Cygnus

Me. :) .....and everybody I have waked up to the fact that there is going to be one..... :)

725 Happy4la  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:24:31pm

It must be something in the water at the St. Louis Post Dispatch. On the more trivial side, one of their sports columnists, Bernie Miklasz is a shill for whomever "buys his favor." Maybe CAIR bought this guy, and as in bought, maybe a few lunches.

726 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:24:53pm

re: #634 Cognito

re: #631 MrMom


re: #575 Topspin Lob
How AREthings in fantasyland? These are msm 'journalists' and they will NEVER. EVER. give a site like LGF a fair hearing. EVER.

Do you see the irony in what you've just said? To a journalist? On LGF?


The truth is the truth is the truth. And must be dealt with. What good comes from proceeding in the false hope that an msm 'journalist' will give LGF a fair hearing?
/thought we were rid of you left

727 cod_is_great  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:25:00pm

With all due respect, Charles, you come off like a baby in the exchange.

Calling him on lazy reporting would have been sufficient. The whole Holy Land Foundation and "smear job" stuff just gave him something to seize on to both defend himself and dismiss you as a crackpot.

728 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:25:07pm

re: #706 Sunlight

If you think they should be reported ( I do) then you should "report" them. Charles appreciates multiple "reports" (he told me so yesterday)

729 Charles  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:25:08pm

re: #717 Cognito

re: #698 Charles

re: #665 nose

I did not attribute that comment to Townsend.

For what it's worth, Charles, when you juxtapose:

Your story this morning about Little Green Footballs...



And,

LGF is a highly reputable blog, and we are NOT “anti-Muslim.”



It seems like a pretty clearly drawn connection.

The trouble here is that the core of the story -- the offensive comments at LGF -- is correct. People said some really, really stupid things. The best tack from here, in my opinion, is to negate that as much as possible. Point out that the site is open to anyone who bothers to register, and that the comments were deleted as soon as possible.

And the reporter, of course, should have at least tried to contact you.

No, I did not attribute that quote to him, and what's more I even played his game and explained it to him -- when he clearly knew what it referred to.

It's a BS issue.

730 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:26:16pm

re: #648 WrathofG-d

I agree with your sentiment, if not quite your way of putting it.

731 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:26:31pm

re: #713 WrathofG-d

It wouldn't surprise me.

Did he think his association with the group was never going to be discovered? Perhaps he thinks everyone is as lazy and half-assed as him.

732 Ma Sands  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:26:44pm

re: #703 taxfreekiller

Thank you, tfk, for weighing in so profoundly. :)

733 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:27:05pm

re: #322 JessK

re: #253 wahabicorridor

Too true. We hosted an old family friend who was working on a story for her local news station on people speeding through Manatee Zones in our area. After an entire week we asked her how it was going to which she replied, quite annoyed, "We haven't seen a single person speeding!"

Mother, who went to Journalism school with this woman in her youth, said "Well there's your story. No one's speeding and your assumptions were wrong."

Her friend laughed saying "No, no, that's not the story we came to do." like it was common sense to not report the truth and you can imagine my family's disgust at the attitude. Journalistic Integrity has become an oxymoron.

Long ago, there was a search for reality.

734 chubby vegan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:28:04pm

"BAGHDAD - The U.S. military said Wednesday that two women used as suicide bombers in attacks earlier this month had undergone psychiatric treatment but there is no indication they had Down syndrome as Iraqi and U.S. officials initially had claimed. "

As one of the people very outraged by this, I apologize.

Now, I am just outraged by the murder of innocents. Guess no apology will have to follow.

735 Cognito  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:28:13pm

re: #726 MrMom

re: #634 Cognito

re: #631 MrMom


re: #575 Topspin Lob
How AREthings in fantasyland? These are msm 'journalists' and they will NEVER. EVER. give a site like LGF a fair hearing. EVER.


Do you see the irony in what you've just said? To a journalist? On LGF?


The truth is the truth is the truth. And must be dealt with. What good comes from proceeding in the false hope that an msm 'journalist' will give LGF a fair hearing?
/thought we were rid of you left

Apparently you really don't see the irony.

You're saying, "HEY journalist who gives LGF a hearing, NO journalist would ever give LGF a hearing!"

And I'm flattered you put thought into it, but no. I didn't leave.

736 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:29:25pm

re: #730 Dianna

Yes I could have probably been more polite but those type of people do not deserve my politeness.

If they hate me for it...even better. As I commented above, I have no need for idiotic, hate-filled, outright Anti-Muslims friends.

If those are the types of people that hate me....then I feel I am doing something right.

737 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:29:34pm

re: #733 debutaunt
I think it was a dude carrying a lamp..Diogenes or something. Channeling current high school history student.

738 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:29:44pm

re: #667 Phocid

And I'm not talking about any modern-day "goofy sufis" either. I haven't a clue about them, and don't want to have. Nor am I talking about a travel agent's pitch about seeing the whirling dervishes.

Yes, I'm aware that Sufis have been involved in jihad-related groups. I've got a personal note to research that further.

Note that I used the qualifier "tend".

739 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:30:17pm

Time to head home....

I guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow to see how this plays out.

Keep up the good fight, Lizard Nation!

Have a good night.

740 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:30:49pm

re: #736 WrathofG-d

would ant-islamist be better?

741 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:30:51pm
742 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:31:19pm

re: #731 loppyd

I used to joke in law school that it isn't criminals that get caught....but stupid criminals that get caught.

Noone ever expects to get caught. If they did they wouldn't do the wrong thing in the first place.

If I were a "prosecutor" on behalf of Charles I would dig into this guys connections to CAIR. We might have stumbled onto something bigger here.

743 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:32:06pm

re: #665 nose

I cannot agree. It was clear from the article that Townsend was essentially quoting from the CAIR press release. Charles responded to the charges in the release, and asked why the reporter did not contact LGF?

That's not confrontational, and Charles' responses were quite correct.

744 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:32:32pm

re: #656 Catttt

re: #625 slokat


Humble request for anyone that lives in the city.

I'm used to being able to view local deed info online, but don't belong to the professional services that are allowed to search the deed registry in St. Louis

Who owns the minaret property?

Also, the planning or building permits should state if sound equipment has been approved.

I'd drive over and see, but it's along way from the left coast...


The tower is for show only - it is not wired for sound at all. I read that earlier today in one of the stories linked here somewhere.

The message is being heard by all of us. No sound necessary, yet.

745 Topspin Lob  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:33:04pm

are: #715 ladycatnip

Thanks....

746 Palandine  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:33:10pm

re: #735 Cognito

Hi Cognito. Instead of just giving us "a hearing," since you're a professional journalist, why dont you show us what a highly skilled professional can do with this story? Track down the funding of the minaret and the 1.25 million dollar land buy, for example. Show us what a true journalist can do, and why we should give you "a hearing."

747 Topspin Lob  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:33:41pm

re: #712 snowcrash

Thanks.... it's what I do.

748 loppyd  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:33:56pm

re: #742 WrathofG-d

re: #731 loppyd

I used to joke in law school that it isn't criminals that get caught....but stupid criminals that get caught.

Noone ever expects to get caught. If they did they wouldn't do the wrong thing in the first place.

If I were a "prosecutor" on behalf of Charles I would dig into this guys connections to CAIR. We might have stumbled onto something bigger here.

Amen to that. Most of our clients are just plain old dumbasses. :~)

Have a good night.

Whole Foods calls.

749 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:34:29pm

re: #729 Charles

Townsends attitude, and a survey of his past articles, show very clearly he was chosen by CAIR to run with this story and to ignore anything you might say in your defence. This was orchestrated.

750 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:35:10pm

re: #713 WrathofG-d

re: #684 loppyd

You have a guy who is a "good friend" of CAIR (see Charles' comment above) who knowingly wrote a one-sided hit-piece against a CAIR target.

I try to stay away from the conspiratorial thinking....BUT there seem to be too many "coincidences" here. Any quick look at the beginnings of any political movement will show that they start with propaganda and paid "journalists" in the media. Sometimes those in the MSM are actually part of the new movement, often co-opinionists, and other times they are simply "useful idiots".


I'll call this one out explicitly, OK.

CAIR hates Charles for his work and history in exposing them. CAIR has one (or several) of its lackeys register on LGF and make a threatening post. Knowing this is about to happen, CAIR quickly seizes on the post, makes a formal complaint to the FBI, releases its pre-written press release, and has its pal working at the local newspaper run a "hit" piece on LGF.

So there is the conspiracy theory in black and white.

Its not so implausible because we know CAIR hates LGF, and we know (or have reason to suspect) that CAIR has planted offensive posts elsewhere before. The exceptionally fast timing of CAIR's actions after the posts suggests either that CAIR deliberately caused such a post to occur, or they were otherwise ready for one anyway.

Unlike stupid and easily disproveable or utterly unproveable 9-11 theories, there actually *IS* a potential way to get to the bottom of this one. You track down the ISP addresses of the offensive posters, and see where they lead. I think it would be trivial for the FBI to actually do this, assuming they had the proper jurisdiction (which I think they do), and they were willing to devote the resources (which they probably aren't).

It would be a hell of a story if this could be proven, that's for sure.

751 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:35:34pm

re: #740 pingjockey

If by Islamist you are referring to those Mohammadians that participate in Terrorism, &/or the hate filled, anti-Semetic/Anti-Every Non-Muslims aspects of Islam, etc.

Then yes.

If you say "Islamist" but really mean "Muslim" then no.

To me Islamist separates the "bad seeds" (ha! Talk about an understatement) within Islam that are terrorists, terrorist supporters, and the Mohammadian version of White Supremacists mixed with actual Nazis. (hatred + violence)

I, myself, am very much so against Islamists! Have nothing against Muslims in general however.

752 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:35:34pm

re: #662 looking closely

Charles doesn't want an apology. You seem to assume that is the goal of this exchange. He wants a fair hearing and a chance to give his side of the story. He deserves and is owed an apology.

753 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:36:00pm
754 musicman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:36:17pm

re: #651 OldLineTexan

re: #599 MandyManners

re: #555 OldLineTexan


re: #521 MandyManners


re: #475 Ward Cleaver

Here's the Web site of the magazine that gave Townsend an award:

The Christian Century


The article about moderate Baptists is a hoot. Diversity?


Just curious, but what do you mean?


What's next in the name of diversity? Homosexual preachers?

Thanks, I was just a bit worried there for a moment.

Somehow, I don't see the Southern Baptists getting that diverse.

These people are not Southern Baptists! They broke away from the SBC several years ago and created the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. It started with them not believing the Bible as being the inerrant word of God. And now they are arguing whether to seat a gay and lesbian organization.

755 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:37:26pm
756 Cognito  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:37:29pm

re: #746 Palandine

re: #735 Cognito

Hi Cognito. Instead of just giving us "a hearing," since you're a professional journalist, why dont you show us what a highly skilled professional can do with this story? Track down the funding of the minaret and the 1.25 million dollar land buy, for example. Show us what a true journalist can do, and why we should give you "a hearing."

Sure thing. I'll take on any assignments you've got.

Of course, I assume you're willing to do what people do when they assign stories to "highly skilled professionals," right?

757 Promethea  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:37:47pm

re: #468 Palandine

I do have to say that it offends me a little that it towers over the nearby Missouri National Guard armory. Those soldiers fought and bled so that the Bosnians could have their own country, and also come to the US. The minaret strikes me as undeserved triumphalism.

That's why it's important to object to these symbols of supremacy. If the mosque built a nice little minaret and promised not to disturb the neighborhood with its yallallahs, I probably would think the mosque and minaret OK and hope that living in America would turn the misguided Bosnians from their evil religion (yes, I am anti-Islam).

But......it's clear that part of the Islamic colonization process is to build these outsized mosques and minarets. Hence, the more people learn about Islam and object to the building of these huge phallic symbols, the better off we'll all be, the Bosnians included.

As I recall, the Bosnians originally became Muslim many years ago after being persecuted for their heretical Christian beliefs that Satan was as strong as God. Funny that these ancient heresies and conflicts are still reverberating down the centuries.

758 Phocid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:37:59pm

Wrath of God seems like a very angry and irrational person. I don't know why Charles would allow such foul-mouthed and ad homonym attacks to remain. Internet chat allows for people to show their worst side with no consequences to them. Mostly the conversation here at LGF is civilized and aphoristic. To start shouting in bold or capitals is the sign of mental instability. He is a total newby if he doesn't know that that is considered boorish. Mr. Wrath seems to have no arguments to answer what I posted, and if he can't deal with it with some sense of humor he should go to Daily Kos where he belongs.

I would ask him: If I think Communist ideology is perverse, intellectually dishonest, fascistic and the inspiration for great human suffering does that mean I hate "an entire group of people?" I have had some good friends who were communists, I didn't hate them. But I was and remain an anti-Communist.

759 nemo  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:38:43pm

Bad press is still press.

Loons on both sides will form an opinion based on Mr. Tim Townsend's poorly researched and unenlightened article.

Some loons will visit LGF hoping to find slobbering, maniacal anti-Islamists and be disappointed.

The other loons hoping to find slobbering, maniacal anti-Islamists won't bother to visit and will find them. That is probably the majority of Townsend's readership.

Guess which group Mr. Tim Townsend is in? Hi Tim.

760 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:38:44pm

re: #756 Cognito

re: #746 Palandine

re: #735 Cognito

Hi Cognito. Instead of just giving us "a hearing," since you're a professional journalist, why dont you show us what a highly skilled professional can do with this story? Track down the funding of the minaret and the 1.25 million dollar land buy, for example. Show us what a true journalist can do, and why we should give you "a hearing."

Sure thing. I'll take on any assignments you've got.

Of course, I assume you're willing to do what people do when they assign stories to "highly skilled professionals," right?

Laugh at the leftist slant?

/sorry couldn't help it...

761 nikis-knight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:38:58pm

re: #648 WrathofG-d

So, you are against those who are "anit-muslim", based on thier beliefs? How is that any different?

Personally I am going to be suspicious of any one choosing to identify with a hateful supremecist group until I see that they are at teh least inconsistent with that group. i.e., Islam.

762 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:39:02pm

re: #750 looking closely

Yes that would be the theory.

as I said to Loppy above:

If I were a "prosecutor" on behalf of Charles on this matter, (in a court of opinion, not law) I would dig into this guys connections to CAIR. We might have stumbled onto something bigger here.

763 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:39:10pm

re: #694 Phocid

I think that crosses the line, at least of good manners.

Besides, I don't like what you said, either. I'm not "anti-Muslim." If you are, that is your problem.

764 Render  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:39:29pm

Khaled Hamid has his own blog...

[Link: khaledhamid.blogspot.com...]

Where the commenter's, and there are not many of them, justify the murder of civilians by terrorists.

Will Tim Townsend be reporting on this as well?

MEET
THE
CHAINSAW,
R

765 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:39:37pm

re: #728 WrathofG-d

re: #706 Sunlight

If you think they should be reported ( I do) then you should "report" them. Charles appreciates multiple "reports" (he told me so yesterday)

Well, the reason I didn't is because I flashed back to all the really enlightening discussions with some euro guys about white supremacism, with probably hundreds of comments similar to the anti ones above here. I don't like to hear it, but it can bring out people's stealth opinions. And knowing those can help keep one from going along by little steps with creepy things.

766 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:39:46pm

re: #758 Phocid

Wrath has been here a loooooong, looong time...

767 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:40:06pm
768 Suzette  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:41:33pm

re: #758 Phocid

Calling someone mentally unstable----is polite and okay?
/good grief

769 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:41:47pm

re: #673 nose

re: #664 Suzette

If you don't want to call CJ rude, then you can't call Townsend rude. If both of them were kids, I'd have them both go sit in a corner over it.

You don't have any idea if I know what "real" rude people are.


Maybe not. You sure as hell don't know what to do with kids.

770 Palandine  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:41:51pm

re: #756 Cognito

re: #746 Palandine


re: #735 Cognito

Hi Cognito. Instead of just giving us "a hearing," since you're a professional journalist, why dont you show us what a highly skilled professional can do with this story? Track down the funding of the minaret and the 1.25 million dollar land buy, for example. Show us what a true journalist can do, and why we should give you "a hearing."


Sure thing. I'll take on any assignments you've got.

Of course, I assume you're willing to do what people do when they assign stories to "highly skilled professionals," right?

Cognito, you wouldn't want to do it just to restore the luster of your profession? You, who talk about the threat of Islamism, don't have any journalistic curiosity about this story? You're in it for filthy lucre? How very un-idealistic of you... ;)

771 Pyrocles  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:41:59pm

I'm sure many Muslims take infidels as friends, even if they're not officially supposed to according to their religion's dictates. Muslims are all only human beings, after all, just like everyone else. Not all who call themselves "Muslims" are true believers and ascribe to everything in the Quran as literal fact, even if they're "supposed to" according to that very same Quran.

Although I'm no fan of Islam's literal teachings and suspicious of the motives of Islamist leaders and certain front groups *cough*, each Muslim needs to be judged as an individual.

I know a self-professed religious Muslim woman who's married to an atheist. This same Muslimah has a large crescent moon-and-star tattoo on her back, which is actually sexy and rebellious, and would probably get her executed and skinned alive in an Islamic backwater. She was actually disowned by her Pakistani family for marrying an infidel, though...no honor killing threats yet that I recall. But she still considers herself a Muslim, although she breaks virtually all of it's laws.

re: #710 buzzsawmonkey

re: #700 mean Gene


Do Muslims take infidels as ''friends?"

You mean "...taqiyya infidels as "friends?"," I think.
772 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:42:12pm

re: #750 looking closely

By the way, I don't know if CAIR was responsible for the bad posts or not. That's just a hypothesis; my guess is probably not.

But whether CAIR was behind them or not, by its quick response, it seems clear that CAIR had (and has) the machinery in place already to take PR advantage of them.

That bears careful consideration because inevitably SOMEBODY is going to post something else inappropriate here, and CAIR is going to try this again.

773 Topspin Lob  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:43:19pm

re: #609 sifty

re: #575 Topspin Lob

Reporters are just people.

If they care about doing their job they will do their job well. If they don't, no amount of ass-kissing will make a difference.

Reporters being idolized is what got us whack-jobs like Moyers and Rather.

Actually, Marx got us whack jobs like Moyers and Rather.

As for ass-kissing, it's what makes the world go 'round. Which one of the following pick-up lines has a better chance of success. Ready?

"You're very beautiful, but I'd like to get to know you better to see if you're just as pretty on the inside."

Or:

"Hey, baby, nice ass. Let's f&^%!"

774 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:43:19pm
775 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:43:45pm

re: #754 musicman

I understand that.

The comment I replied to said "Baptist", so I asked my question. It was clearly stated in the article that the Southern Baptist Convention declined to be explicitly involved in the conference.

Even though I am a Christian first and a Southern Baptist about tenth, I tend to pick up on "Baptist".

My apologies for any confusion I may have created.

776 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:44:07pm

Am I anti-muslim? No. There are very few things I am categorically 'anti'. I do my best to give everyone a pass till they prove me wrong other wise, even then, when proven wrong, I do not 'generalize' a person by assigned stereotypes.

Am I anti-Islam? Absolutely. Islam is not a race. It is an ideology of whose fruits I have no intention of partaking since I see the results of 'Islamic fruit' day in and day out.

Stop Islam.

777 formercorpsman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:45:05pm

re: #723 Topspin Lob

re: #593 Cognito

Been reading for years. Rarely comment because most of the time my contribution would be: I agree!

Yep, the media needs to be courted not antagonized.

I just can't agree with that.

It is the media that has burned this bridge.

It should not be the responsibility of someone like Charles, or anyone that is not a voice in the echo chamber, to make a journalist give him at the very least, a fair shot.

Objectivity is supposed to be at the heart of journalism.

I say this, because of the history here, (Charles) & his doing the job our own media should have been doing to police themselves.

They blatantly attempted to thwart the will of the voters in a Presidential election, and I am positive this will get him no favors at all.

More like pissing up a rope no matter how nice he makes his emails out to be.

Nonetheless, he is a pioneer, and the epitome of what the old media should be doing now.

They know that.

778 seekeroftruth  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:45:07pm

re: #717 Cognito

For pete's sake Cog - the core of the story is that CAIR is trolling for anything it can find to intimidate and shut down any site, person, media that has the nerve to say anything less than wonderful about Islam/CAIR etc. Out of all of the comments made on all of the threads, there were a few that potentially crossed the line. Charles removed them as soon as he was aware of them.
Obviously everyone needs to be much more careful about their comments. You, as a MSM person, should be working to help expose CAIR and who they are.
Moving to next thread.....

779 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:45:18pm

re: #761 nikis-knight

No I am against those who outwardly brag that they hate an entire group of people who are part of a religion based solely on that fact & without any concern to the actual activities of the individual.

Thus my comment was directed at those who are so small minded and those who acted upon their stupidity and commented about it here (on THIS thread none-the-less).

If you wish to make me feel bad for the anger I maintain towards Islamophobes, as I do Anti-Semites or Anti-Christians....well you are going to have to accept that you are going to fail.

I have no qualms about my dislike (if not hatred) for these types of disgusting morons.

780 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:47:08pm

re: #717 Cognito

But those points have been made repeatedly. Further, had Townsend bothered to contact Charles, he would have been able to report that.

As for people saying stupid and ugly things, well...it would help if we were diligent about reporting ugly comments to Charles, wouldn't it?

781 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:47:54pm

re: #719 Suzette

Please do!

782 Render  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:48:24pm

Just to point out that there are hundreds of thousands of American servicemen and women who are friends and allies with Muslims in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Are some Lizards saying we should not be allied with The Awakening Movement?

===

Ahem...Sometimes I type in all caps, and Wrath o G_D is an on-line friend of mine. Want some of this?

SOUND
OF
GALAXIES,
R

783 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:49:48pm

re: #782 Render

Its always the newbies....sheesh :D

Thanks for the kind words.

784 formercorpsman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:49:56pm

re: #764 Render

SCREEN SHOT Render, screen shots.

Your doing great man.

785 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:50:28pm

re: #736 WrathofG-d

Um...."A soft answer turns away wrath"?

786 Canadian Guy  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:50:45pm

re: #750 looking closely

Your theory has one hole in it.

It wasn't CAIR plants that made those comments. It was registered lizards, some who have been here over two years and one who still thinks he's pretty funny based on his comment in this thread.

787 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:50:47pm

re: #749 Kenneth

re: #729 Charles

Townsends attitude, and a survey of his past articles, show very clearly he was chosen by CAIR to run with this story and to ignore anything you might say in your defence. This was orchestrated.

*light dawning* (in a particular way)

I've been puzzled by the seeming stupidity of TT's responses to CJ. Your comment brings a scenario to mind.

There was some sort of prior collusion, or maybe it was just that TT wanted to help his friend. TT does the story, fully expecting to get a scream from LGF. The scream comes. TT grins in self-satisfaction and pees on CJ via e-mail for good measure.

Does that fit with Occam's Razor?

788 Topspin Lob  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:51:03pm

re: #631 MrMom

All it takes is one mainstream newspaper to start quoting LGF, and boom all the others will follow.

A secret: whenever I'm working on a piece re: an unfamiliar topic, my first round of calls first goes to the most quoted people of that given topic. They could be complete nutjobs, but if they've been previously quoted, I'm ringin' 'em up. That's how it works.

789 MrMom  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:52:07pm

Great day on LGF. Feeling fiesty and sense there may be a dust up or two brewing. Alas, gotta go and feed the young 'uns. PLAY NICE!

790 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:52:30pm

re: #785 Dianna

re: #736 WrathofG-d

Um...."A soft answer turns away wrath"?

What do you mean?
/I'm missing the reference if there is one.

_____

Wrath
likes
being
called a newbie
...makes me feel young.

-ode

791 musicman  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:53:08pm

re: #775 OldLineTexan

re: #754 musicman

I understand that.

The comment I replied to said "Baptist", so I asked my question. It was clearly stated in the article that the Southern Baptist Convention declined to be explicitly involved in the conference.

Even though I am a Christian first and a Southern Baptist about tenth, I tend to pick up on "Baptist".

My apologies for any confusion I may have created.

No worries. I could see the handwriting on the wall when this split happened. The CBF has just kept sliding into the abysmal pit! I have some strong opinions also on those Southern Baptist churches that keep their feet in both waters. They support both the SBC and CBF. It just boggles my mind!

792 Phocid  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:53:19pm

re: #768 Suzette

Well, since he suggested what I could do with a rusty rake rather in leu of answering my comments, I would think such an evaluation might be warranted. I have been commenting here for about 5 years. I have read hundreds of comments here and none of those I have seen so far are as rude and dumb as WoGs. If he wants to think that the major tenants of Islam are benign and wholesome he is free to says so. l disagree, and I would think that I would be allowed to say so.

793 Suzette  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:53:19pm

re: #782 Render

Sometimes Render---we type in ALL CAPS.
/maybe we are mentally unstable.

:)

794 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:54:03pm

re: #756 Cognito

You mean, "Pay me at consultants rates", don't you?

795 Promethea  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:54:28pm

re: #585 Occasional Reader

More later! Palindromically yours, OR
(Go hang a salami, I'm a lasagna hog)

This gem is why I spend way too much time on LGF!

796 Tigger2005  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:54:28pm

Re: # 569 Phocid
Re: #648 WrathofG-d
Re: #694 Phocid

Frankly, Wrath, I found Phocid's post # 569 thoughtful, well-written and thought-provoking. It was not hateful and inflammatory. It simply pointed out that we have a right to hold people responsible for their beliefs and the actions that arise from those beliefs.

Now, it's true that many Muslims are "cultural Muslims" who have soaked up the Islamic view of the world from birth and are perhaps less responsible for who and what they are than Muslims who are "consciously" Islamic (whether they were raised in the religion or are recent converts). Nevertheless, how much of an excuse can this be permitted to be?

Furthermore, it's a fact that Muhammad's life presents an example that is utterly incompatible with modern civilization. If Muslims just admired Muhammad the way many Romanians admire Vlad Dracul and many Mongols admire Ghenghis Kahn, this might be OK ... but I'd say that most Romanians and Mongols don't regard Vlad and Genghis as men to be emulated, but just admired across a safe distance of time. Muslims, on the other hand, regard Muhammad as the perfect man, to be imitated in every respect.

Any person who seriously regards himself or herself as a Muslim and has taken time to study the life of Muhammad surely knows about his violence and intolerance, his thievery, his lusty appetites, etc., and realizes that this is the stuff of a bygone, barbaric past, which if allowed to flourish today would bring down global civilization, cause immense, unprecedented suffering and death, and possibly make much of the planet's surface radioactive and uninhabitable.

I would not want us to descend into name-calling like "Jap" or "Kraut" as in WW2, but calling oneself "anti-Muslim" seems rather mild in comparison. In any event, I see nothing wrong with challenging self-professed Muslims on their beliefs, and holding them responsible for them. Saying that Islamic terrorism "has nothing to do with Islam" and that "Islam means peace," as many Muslims do, is intellectually dishonest.

797 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:54:41pm

re: #786 Canadian Guy

I'm not sure their length of registration with LGF would prove that they are not "plants". It just shows that they are more patient than you or I. (which is pretty standard for the Islamist / Westerner divide)

As for the one thinking that he/she is still funny.....well that might have just been a coincidental gift to CAIR. I think the military calls them "targets of opportunity". (but what would I know)

798 Canadian Guy  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:54:42pm

re: #764 Render


Render, what would we do without you?

799 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:55:15pm

re: #764 Render

OOO!
Render's STILL on it!

800 nikis-knight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:55:43pm

re: #779 WrathofG-d

eh, I don't care about your feelings. I'm trying to show why your position is quite exaggerated.
anti-muslim=/=mean hate muslims. It means against, as in, working towards opposite goals. Those who follow the Koran are indeed working towards the opposite goal as those who want to preserve western liberty & democracy.

801 Suzette  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:58:24pm

re: #792 Phocid

Who is stopping you from making your comments?
/if you have read many comments here on LGF then you would know
Wrath (by his comments) and you would get his point.

802 Tigger2005  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:58:35pm

re: #779 WrathofG-d

re: #761 nikis-knight

No I am against those who outwardly brag that they hate an entire group of people who are part of a religion based solely on that fact & without any concern to the actual activities of the individual.

But Phocid "outwardly bragged" of no such thing.

803 BabbaZee  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:58:40pm

Is it too late to scream
WHORE OF THE CALIPHATE!
at this ass?

804 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 1:59:17pm

re: #758 Phocid

Pot, meet kettle.

Your final paragraph is splitting hairs, and you know it. Re-read your first post - the one Wrath objected to (as did I) - and then tell me how it could be read as anything but bigoted. You will not admit it, of course, but you are absolutely out of your senses if you expect me to think that's a benign or acceptable sentiment.

805 Ma Sands  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:01:03pm

Hullo, Babba. It was done already. :)

806 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:01:14pm

re: #752 MrMom

re: #662 looking closely

Charles doesn't want an apology. You seem to assume that is the goal of this exchange. He wants a fair hearing and a chance to give his side of the story. He deserves and is owed an apology.


I don't know what Charles actually wants; he's here and can speak for himself. I didn't presume anything, I only said that IF he wanted an apology, his approach wasn't ideal to get it.

I do know that Charles effectively asked for an apology and by his phrasing as a statement, I think it would be a fair interpretation to say he "demanded" one:

You owe me an update to your story and an apology for failing to contact me for my side of it.


Again, this is phrased as a statement of fact, not a request. Regardless of the legitimacy of the request (and I do think it was legitimate), putting it this way is still not the best way to get things done (which was my point).

Again, HAD he asked nicely, he still probably wouldn't have gotten his update or apology, though the subsequent emails probably wouldn't have degenerated the way they did.

Also, as somewhat of a third-party observer, again I think Charles came off a bit strong (bold face mine):

Subject: A very irresponsible report

Your story this morning about Little Green Footballs was incredibly irresponsible and sloppy, and I am personally offended that you did not take the time to contact me before running what is essentially a smear job.


Is it wrong to say that this sounds pretty angry?

I don't disagree with any of it, and I also think that no matter WHAT Charles said the response emails were totally out-of-line, but can you see why coming in like that might have helped poison the water, especially with someone who so obviously lacks professionalism or maturity?

807 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:01:25pm

re: #770 Palandine

Never suggest that they don't need to pay you! People value your work at the price they pay for it.

So, if you want to give Cognito an assignment, cough up!

808 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:01:30pm

re: #803 BabbaZee

Is it too late to scream
WHORE OF THE CALIPHATE!
at this ass?

Which one? There are more than a few showing today.

809 Suzette  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:02:21pm

re: #805 Ma Sands

Hullo, Babba. It was done already. :)

:) But can it be done too often?
/in this case, I don't think so.

810 maddogg  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:03:01pm

re: #648 WrathofG-d

Nice speech, so where do I send the quarter?

Anyone as presumptuous as you cannot help but be full of shit.

811 Ma Sands  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:03:48pm

re: #809 Suzette

I concede. :)

812 Canadian Guy  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:03:56pm

re: #770 Palandine

I'm going to bud into your fight here.

You telling Cognito, "Why don't you exose radical Islam?" Is like me telling a low-ranking soldier, "Why don't you capture bin Laden."

It ain't that easy.

We don't know Cognito's exact situation, but I can tell you that unless he works for 60 Minutes or another news magazine program he doesn't have free reign to go off and write about whatever he wants to. Even then he'd have to justify the cost of the investigation.

He's probably got bosses and editors who are most likely libs or who don't give a shit and would probably ask, "Who cares about some mosque in St. Louis?"

I can tell you that's the way it is. It's a business first.

813 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:05:02pm

re: #792 Phocid

What bewilders me the most here is not only that I wholeheartedly disagree with your obnoxious and outright hatred for all Muslims, but how so completely obtuse and thick you are.

Besides the fact that the comments you made are themselves reasons for contempt on their face, it amazes me that you continue to drone on defending your "right" to be a hate-filled, Islamophobe on a thread regarding the extreme amounts of bad press, and blow back that LGF and Charles are getting (including phone calls from the FBI and news articles) as a result of other childish loudmouths like yourself (&/or CAIR plants) making the exact (or very similar) comments.

You act like a spoiled 14 year old that must be heard, and knows everything, but does not take into consideration the fact that there might be things more important than what you have to say and your right to be pedantic. Are you really so completely self-involved that you are incapable of taking into consideration the outcome and repercussions of your stupidity?

PS: Nothing in this comment should be interpreted as taking away from my overall opinion that your and other's Islamophobic and hate filled comments are not reason enough for my original bold comments.

814 Ma Sands  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:06:05pm

re: #812 Canadian Guy

'Cept, I think Render, Palandine himself, and others here, have already done quite a bit of the kind of exposure being spoken of.....

815 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:07:03pm

re: #790 WrathofG-d

You remind me of my Male in your on-line personality. My feeling for both of you is that you'd get further if you'd be just a teeny-tiny, wee bit less emphatic - that's the word! - in some of your pronouncements.

This does not mean I love either of you less.

816 BabbaZee  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:07:24pm

I understand what Phocid said @ 569 perfectly.


Islam as we see it being practiced in the world as an ideology, theology, or premise of life is repugnant...
ISLAM has declared all of us their enemies, and none of that can be glossed over or denied if we wish to preserve western civilization.

however
It is the phrase

Anti-Muslim

that becomes the problem to some readers

ANTI-JIHAD

may be a better way to put it than anti-Muslim?

Or even anti-Islam .....

as that refers to the entire ideology itself

where as "Muslim" can be taken by a reader as referring to individuals.

But CAIR called US anti-Muslim which is why Phocid used that particular phrase in return.

And they use ANTI MUSLIM instead of anti jihad or anti islam etc

for the exact reason I am stating.

To make us look like deranged haters of INDIVIDUAL PERSONS.

Words make worlds.


I see you CAIR.

Try to twist some words with me.

817 BabbaZee  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:07:40pm

re: #805 Ma Sands

Hullo, Babba. It was done already. :)

really?

I love it!

818 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:08:35pm

re: #800 nikis-knight

re: #802 Tigger2005

I believe that you are making excuses, where I do not believe they are appropriate. If you feel it is acceptable to be an Islamophobe then I guess that is your prerogative and problem to deal with.

Defending your right however (since it seems I am unable to change your opinion) is not doing a service to the reputation or character of LGF eitherway.

If you have to be an idiotic Islamophobe, then why don't you start your own hate-filled blog, and or just keep it to yourself?

have you already forgotten what this thread is about, and how it started?

819 Promethea  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:10:05pm

re: #648 WrathofG-d

You don't have to scream. Maybe the term should be "Anti-Islam." So far, I have seen not one thing that makes Islam more worthy than the Aztec religion. People who are Muslims are kind and generous in spite of their religion, not because of it.

If you don't believe me, read the Koran.

820 Go_Fish  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:11:23pm

re: #711 Dar ul Harb

Congratulations to Go_Fish and Render for digging up the alleged "journalist's" cozy CAIR connections.

Thanks. I just just became a hatchling a couple weeks ago. This site rocks.

The original story at the Post Dispatch site has dissapeared from the main news pages but another version of it is on the Religion page. The CBS affiliate KMOV and the Fox affiliate Fox2News have the AP account.

I know the pudding pops are all gone but can I get a cupcake or something instead?

821 BabbaZee  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:11:38pm

HELP!
I'm an Islamophobe in Colorama!

/WLGF going back to the stove

BBL

822 lifeofthemind  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:12:31pm

Is it possible that this is a case of Sock-Puppetry perpetrated by someone affiliated with CAIR? There are a few idiots who make inappropriate comments in here and Charles catches them. It is also possible that this is a set up. What do the IP logs say?

823 Canadian Guy  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:12:51pm

re: #797 WrathofG-d

So we have CAIR sleeper cells?

It also doesn't explain all those lizards who gave the plus sign to some of those comments (according to Killian) and all the other lizards who had to have their comments deleted in Charles follow up thread "When CAIR attacks."

824 Dianna  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:13:14pm

re: #816 BabbaZee

I understood Phocid perfectly well. I don't agree with what he said.

I'm anti-islamist, anti-jihadist and generally anti-supremacist. I'm not - and will not agree to be characterized as - anti-muslim.

825 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:13:22pm

re: #815 Dianna

Yes, I have my moments. But I take those that say they are "Anti-Muslim", replace it with "Anti-Jew" and act appropriately.

If the individuals had pointed out that they disagree with the current thread of Islam that is doing X Violence, or Y Hatred, etc., then I would agree with them. But that isn't what they said.

Truthfully, I'm tired and bored of having to explain why I dislike Islamophobes. If one wishes to defend them...then fine, we can just accept that we will disagree.

826 BabbaZee  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:13:56pm

Oh

and
RENDER?

you da man, daddy!

BBL

827 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:13:58pm

re: #819 Promethea

I have read the koran but am still not "anti-Muslim".

828 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:17:40pm

re: #823 Canadian Guy

I'm not 100% convinced that there are "plants", but it does all seem a bit a bit fishy. The entire turn around of the "press release" and the fact that they have Press guys they can go to in 1 day, are why.

Additionally they could be acting as agent provocateurs.

Now, this is not to say that LGF possibly has to do some housecleaning, in response to all the open registrations, etc. Nor, does it mean that when the room acts like idiotic children that old time LGF'rs don't pile on. It is not my claim that LGF commenters are perfect.

829 WrathofG-d  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:19:06pm

re: #819 Promethea

see post 818 and the gist of 813 (not the jabs and tone...those are to phocid)

830 BabbaZee  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:19:38pm

re: #824 Dianna

re: #816 BabbaZee

I understood Phocid perfectly well. I don't agree with what he said.

I'm anti-islamist, anti-jihadist and generally anti-supremacist. I'm not - and will not agree to be characterized as - anti-muslim.

They used the phrase exactly for this reason.
He even uses QUOTES in 569 to indicate it is THEIR PHRASE

If he had written 569 and used Anti-jihad instead of their phrase, anti-Muslim, would you have had the same reaction?

I don't know about Charles, but I am anti-jihad. Charles may want to distance himself from any statements that may seem intolerant and I respect that. However Islam is not a race, something that a person is not responsible for, it is an ideology--religious, but more than that, political. It is primarily a totalitarian and intolerant political ideology and just as we can be anti-Communist or anti-fascist we can be anti-jihad. People are responsible for their ideologies and beliefs and if they can't stand intellectual examination that's their problem.

Gotta go! I am now officially burning the dinner LOL

BBL

831 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:19:44pm

re: #682 looking closely

re: #649 Charles


Well, that certainly explains things. Townsend is a friend of a CAIR board member.

That explains why he didn't bother to look at the other side of the story. . . though obviously it doesn't justify it.

One wonders what, if anything, the editor, the publishers of the newspaper, and perhaps any competing media outlets in his or other markets might think of this apparent conflict of interest.

It does not explain or justify his utterly unprofessional childish response to your email.

i think it does explain it. townsend is a shill for cair and islam. he resents charles and couldn't help his obnoxious arrogant behavior.

832 nikis-knight  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:24:02pm

re: #818 WrathofG-d

re: #800 nikis-knight

re: #802 Tigger2005

I believe that you are making excuses, where I do not believe they are appropriate. If you feel it is acceptable to be an Islamophobe then I guess that is your prerogative and problem to deal with.

Defending your right however (since it seems I am unable to change your opinion) is not doing a service to the reputation or character of LGF eitherway.

If you have to be an idiotic Islamophobe, then why don't you start your own hate-filled blog, and or just keep it to yourself?

have you already forgotten what this thread is about, and how it started?

Are you responding to me? You can't find anything I've ever posted that is at all hateful towards any people. because I don't.
But I am anti-muslim, in the same way I am anti-communist. They want to destroy my cherished civilization and replace it with something loathesome.

Still, of course, I do not and have not (ever) advocated violence, or even being less than polite, to any individual person or place, short of maybe armed rioters or insurgents. Which would be the subject of this thread.

833 LANMaster  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:26:39pm

re: #718 lanmaster

If there was any question at all that modern liberalism has it's foundation in fascism and censorship, this should dispell any further doubt.

Townsend is your quintessential arrogant and fascist liberal.

My guess is he'll probably vote Kool Spinach in '08.

Charles,

I'd like to get your opinion on my comment above. :)

834 looking closely  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:27:12pm

re: #831 nyc redneck


i think it does explain it. townsend is a shill for cair and islam. he resents charles and couldn't help his obnoxious arrogant behavior.


CAIR could hire a few more professional shills, wouldn't you think?

I mean they ARE supposed to be a professional lobby group.

835 Tigger2005  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:28:15pm

Yes, WrathofG_d, I feel it's acceptable to be an Islamophobe. It's interesting that you are now adopting CAIR terminology and talking points. They've frightened you into dhimmihood but good haven't they? Seems to me this is exactly the kind of stifling of open, honest debate in favor of shrill name-calling that they're trying to achieve.

You seem to think that the more hateful and insulting you become toward those who disagree with you, the more righteous you are.

Perhaps "anti-Muslim" IS the wrong term to use. I've come around to this way of thinking from reading the THOUGHTFUL posts here, not from your increasingly shrill, obnoxious, hateful, insulting rantings.

Now, I wonder if this blog has an "ignore" function?


re: #818 WrathofG-d

re: #800 nikis-knight

re: #802 Tigger2005

I believe that you are making excuses, where I do not believe they are appropriate. If you feel it is acceptable to be an Islamophobe then I guess that is your prerogative and problem to deal with.

Defending your right however (since it seems I am unable to change your opinion) is not doing a service to the reputation or character of LGF eitherway.

If you have to be an idiotic Islamophobe, then why don't you start your own hate-filled blog, and or just keep it to yourself?

have you already forgotten what this thread is about, and how it started?

836 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:30:00pm

re: #834 looking closely

re: #831 nyc redneck


i think it does explain it. townsend is a shill for cair and islam. he resents charles and couldn't help his obnoxious arrogant behavior.


CAIR could hire a few more professional shills, wouldn't you think?

I mean they ARE supposed to be a professional lobby group.

yes, and they'd probably all have a bad attitude.

837 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 20, 2008 2:30:53pm

re: #832 nikis-knight

Then might I respectfully suggest a change of word, as in the following:

But I am anti-muslim anti-Islamist (or anti-Islamic Jihadist, and note the capitalizations), in the same way I am anti-communist. They want to destroy my cherished civilization and replace it with something loathesome.

"Anti-muslim" (or "anti-Islam") and "anti-Islamist" mean two different things. It's the latter who want to destroy our cherished civilization.