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A 'Correction' from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch?

Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:07:30 am PST

Here’s an email received from the Assistant Managing Editor of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, on their uncritical, irresponsible reporting of CAIR propaganda:

Dear Mr. Johnson:

Copies of your blog postings and your exchange with reporter Tim Townsend have been forwarded to me.

First, let me inform you that the following correction will be run in tomorrow’s edition: “Due to an editing error, a story in Wednesday’s Metro section did not correctly describe those making online comments about the Islamic Community Center in St. Louis. The writer Kathi on the blog ”Gateway Pundit“ and writers Amer1can and Arthur E. Hippler on the blog ”Little Green Footballs“ had written comments on those blogs. They were not the authors of those blogs.”
For any possible confusion by readers over the description of those who made comments on your blog, I apologize. For what it’s worth, I want you personally to know that an editor handling Tim’s story added the inaccurate word “blogger” to describe the comment writers and that the error was not Tim’s.

Outside of the above, however, I believe that Tim’s article was absolutely responsible and accurate and in no way was a “smear job,” as you have characterized it. In fact, Tim made no characterization whatsoever about your site other than saying it is where some of these comments appeared and that your blog had linked to the local ”Gateway Pundit” blog here.
That is also the reason that he did not feel compelled to get a response from you for this particular story. At issue here were the comments in question, not your blog posting. No one in the article was criticizing or questioning you or your blog or holding you responsible for those comments.

Thanks for your time.

Sincerely,
Adam Goodman
Assistant Managing Editor/Metro
St. Louis Post-Dispatch

“No one was criticizing you or your blog?” I suppose you could say that, if you overlooked the fact that the entire story was published at the behest of a radical Islamic front group, seeking to damage LGF and silence critics. And if you overlook the fact that CAIR was, once again, referred to as a “civil rights group” with no acknowledgement of their well-documented connections to radical groups, or their status as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation Hamas funding case.

There was no apology for Townsend’s rude, childish, and insulting tone, of course; which tells you this behavior is not a problem with editors of the Post-Dispatch.

And the CAIR hit piece, unchanged, is still the top story in their ‘Religion’ section.

Also see Lawhawk: CAIR’s Blog Bashing Get Picked Up By Uncurious Media.

UPDATE at 2/21/08 11:41:22 am:

Also see Ace: LGF Gets a Correction from the MSM.

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1 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:08:21am

For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country.

(I'm just lovin' this line)

2 abolitionist  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:09:59am

I wonder what page they run corrections on.

3 Charles  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:11:05am

re: #2 abolitionist

I wonder what page they run corrections on.

It's linked right up above.

4 coquimbojoe  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:11:11am

Someone could see the shit storm coming their way and flinched....

5 RaiderDan  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:11:14am

Still, getting a correction out of a newspaper is a big deal.

Bravo Charles.


Tim Townsend probably got called into the editors office on this one. Thats pretty much all you can hope for. Still, Townsend should have called you for comment.

6 Ben Hur  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:12:36am

Timmy got a time out.

7 X-ray  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:12:58am

Correction is now up at web site.

Due to an editing error, a story in Wednesday's Metro section did not correctly describe those making online comments about the Islamic Community Center in St. Louis. The writer Kathi on the blog "Gateway Pundit" and writers Amer1can and Arthur E. Hippler on the blog "Little Green Footballs" had written comments on those blogs. They were not the authors of those blogs.

8 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:13:13am

the lazy left-wing media lacks any intellectual curiosity. They have a template and an agenda -

9 loppyd  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:13:55am

re: #1 Occasional Reader

For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country.

(I'm just lovin' this line)

It does have staying power....

10 rappmandu  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:13:56am

An assistant managing editor handling this really just ridiculous. I knew that they'd pull this. After all, they're miserable and work at a miserable job for a miserable publication.

11 loppyd  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:14:16am

re: #6 Ben Hur

Timmy got a time out.

No TV for a week.

12 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:14:21am
had written comments on those blogs. They were not the authors of those blogs

Perhaps the P-D would also be so kind as to note that the inflammatory comments were deleted by Charles?

13 cygnus  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:14:22am

re: #2 abolitionist

I wonder what page they run corrections on.

Next to the 'legal notices' waay back in the classifieds.

14 loppyd  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:14:58am

re: #13 cygnus

re: #2 abolitionist

I wonder what page they run corrections on.

Next to the 'legal notices' waay back in the classifieds.

I read those. LOL

15 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:15:03am

No apology, but the St. Louis Post-Dispatch did run this raving moonbat editorial today:

Arsenal of secrecy

Given President George W. Bush's predilection for ignoring laws he doesn't agree with, it wouldn't be entirely surprising to discover he'd decided the 20th Amendment was no longer applicable and that he'll be staying on after next Jan. 20.

In his seven years in office, the 43rd president has appended "signing statements" to more than 750 bills, more than all 42 of his predecessors combined. In them, Mr. Bush reserves the right to ignore or change any part of the law that he believes infringes on his own executive powers.

Oh dear. The old "Bush is not going to leave" paranoia, again.

16 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:15:19am

Oooooo, we are WRITERS, wow.

17 loppyd  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:15:55am

lunchtime already?

I really know how to waste a morning....

BBL

18 firebreather  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:15:56am

That's why newspapers are called "Rags" & "Fish Wraps."

How many trees have been slaughtered so that this crappy little paper can peddle Left-wing propaganda?

19 rappmandu  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:16:17am

This is not at all about an editing error. It is willful shilling for CAIR and appallingly shameless violation of basic tenents of Journalism 101.

20 cygnus  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:16:50am

RE: #18 - How ironic!

21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:17:39am

I would like to thank the St Louis Post for providing this correction and letter. It is a perfect illustration of what is wrong with the media today and why people are loosing their confidence in it daily.

22 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:17:40am

re: #15 Kenneth

No apology, but the St. Louis Post-Dispatch did run this raving moonbat editorial today:

Arsenal of secrecy


Given President George W. Bush's predilection for ignoring laws he doesn't agree with, it wouldn't be entirely surprising to discover he'd decided the 20th Amendment was no longer applicable and that he'll be staying on after next Jan. 20.

In his seven years in office, the 43rd president has appended "signing statements" to more than 750 bills, more than all 42 of his predecessors combined. In them, Mr. Bush reserves the right to ignore or change any part of the law that he believes infringes on his own executive powers.


Oh dear. The old "Bush is not going to leave" paranoia, again.


This RAG is pure trash.

23 Charles  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:17:47am

re: #7 X-ray

Correction is now up at web site.

Due to an editing error, a story in Wednesday's Metro section did not correctly describe those making online comments about the Islamic Community Center in St. Louis. The writer Kathi on the blog "Gateway Pundit" and writers Amer1can and Arthur E. Hippler on the blog "Little Green Footballs" had written comments on those blogs. They were not the authors of those blogs.

Where? It's not on the corrections page.

24 smcg  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:18:03am

not a very gracious apology. perhaps tt was reprimanded and this editor's defence of him is just a way to keep that behind closed doors.

25 cookielady  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:18:04am

Charles, please don't put in the extra effort of holding your breath for the Post-Dispatch to do the right and honorable thing. That paper and the people that run and work for it lost all integrity many years ago, and I'm surprised that it is able to continue to publish. Like the NYT, their sales continue to drop year by year, and only the rabid Democrat St. Louis area crowd actually still reads the thing. All the rest of us just sneer at anything that comes out of it, and people refuse subscription offers. The last time I got a call I told the telemarketer flat out: I will never have that biased liberal slandersheet in my house, so don't bother calling me again.

26 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:18:22am

re: #15 Kenneth

What will they write about when Bush is gone? Their lives will have no meaning

27 Cognito  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:18:27am

Charles,

I love your blog and I'm here all the time. So I say this with respect and affection:

You gotta get over this.

This editor sent you a nice note, and plans to run a correction about the element in their story that was wrong: That the dastardly text was "comments" not "posts."

The editor sent you a grownup note, in contrast to Townsend's exchange, and when you hold it up very publicly and complain about what are, frankly, niggling details, it makes you appear impossible to please and -- just being honest -- a bit outclassed by the editor.

The crux of the matter is this: People here made some outrageous, and likely illegal, comments. It's not CAIR. Not the newspaper reporter. Not his editor. It's those comments. You deleted them as quickly as you could, but it was too late, and the predatory CAIR seized on them. It's no one's fault but the commentators themselves.

28 firebreather  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:18:28am

Let's see...some people in the Obama campaign fear that there may have been an appearance that Obama had an affair with a lobbyist back in the year 2000.

Does the NY Times print THAT story?

All big city papers are left-wing propaganda rags.

29 victor_yugo  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:18:35am

Curiously uncurious media.

About two steps below "slime mold."

We'll dance on the grave of their morally bankrupt tinpot enterprise.

30 Wookieelips  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:18:36am

That's it.
We need a massive campaign to get the American Islamic Forum for Democracy on TV/ in the MSM speaking for muslims, not CAIR.
I understand they don't have the Saudi money that CAIR does, but something has to be done. CAIR does NOT speak for all muslims, and their membership is not as large as they want us all to believe. They are criminals and agitators.

Why does every news outlet in the country listen to them?
This is disgusting.

31 cookielady  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:18:48am

re: #11 loppyd

What? No CNN or MSNBC for Timmy for a whole WEEK?

Cruel and unusual for his little liberal pea-brain.

32 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:18:51am
33 Mr. Beamish  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:19:06am

This is the same paper that described the nine candidates for the Democratic Presidential nomination in 2004 as "a field of diversity"

[Presumably because of the two anti-Semites, Al Sharpton and Carol Mosely-Braun, and the one Jew, Joseph Lieberman]

It's not called the St. Louis Post Distort by thinking St. Louisans for no reason.

34 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:19:13am
35 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:19:23am
And if you overlook the fact that CAIR was, once again, referred to as a “civil rights group”


I like it even more when they're just matter-of-factly described as "representing Muslims in America". Gosh, when was the election? I must have missed it.

36 musicman  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:19:34am

I'm reading it right now.

37 cygnus  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:20:18am

re: #32 MandyManners

I found this photograph of Timmy when he was born.

I hope it was a breech birth. OUCH!

38 sparrowlake  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:20:38am
"No one in the article was criticizing or questioning you or your blog or holding you responsible for those comments."

That is what they should print at a bare minimum.

39 MellyMel  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:20:58am

re: #23 Charles

Here ya go!

[Link: www.stltoday.com...]

40 CIA Reject  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:21:00am

So let me get this straight: they're apologizing for smearing you while they blindly published islamicist propaganda from known a group linked to kknown terrorists- only they say they really didn't smear you.

I swear the older I get the more I think I'm channeling Cpl. Agarn:
"OK, that makes sense- not to ME, but it makes sense."

41 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:21:11am

re: #26 Desert Dog

re: #15 Kenneth

What will they write about when Bush is gone? Their lives will have no meaning

A: They're gonna have as much fun tearing down President McCain as they had building him up.

42 musicman  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:21:19am

Correction

Second paragraph

43 gman  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:21:25am

CAIR is a self-proclaimed civil rights group. Anyone that agrees with the claim that they are a civil rights group is shilling for them.

Ladies and Gents, the facts speak for themselves:

CAIR promotes a radical Islamic vision, as evidenced by the fact that its co-founder Omar Ahmad told a Fremont, California audience in July 1998: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran ... should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." In a similar spirit, co-founder Ibrahim Hooper told a reporter in 1993: "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future." In 2003 Hooper stated that if Muslims ever become a majority in the United States, they will likely seek to replace the U.S. Constitution with Islamic law, which they deem superior to man-made law. In the late 1980s, Ihsan Bagby, who would later become a CAIR Board member, stated that Muslims "can never be full citizens of this country," referring to the United States, "because there is no way we can be fully committed to the institutions and ideologies of this country."

44 victor_yugo  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:21:28am

re: #27 Cognito

it makes you appear impossible to please and -- just being honest -- a bit outclassed by the editor.

Outclassed by an editor who refuses to print, or even admit, the truth about CAIR?

Maybe you should get over yourself, Cog.

45 firebreather  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:21:32am

Being a committed Leftist in the media means never having to admit you're wrong or print a retraction when your lies are subjected to scrutiny.

See Jenin.

See Jason Blair.

See Dan Rather.

See Reuters.

46 zombie  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:21:33am

The corporation that owns the San Jose Mercury-News, the Contra Costa Times, the Oakland Tribune and dozens of other California newspapers just announced that are "offering buyouts" to ALL of their employees - ahead of a planned massive layoff next month.

They may shed as much as 50% of their entire newsroom staffs.

Every day, somewhere in the country, you'll see a similar story.

The entire newspaper industry is in meltdown. There is panic.

And they can't figure out what is happening to them.

I'll give them a clue:

It is the sanctimonious imperial attitude displayed by the editors, who believe themselves to be higher powers gracing earth with their presence; coupled with the snotty, unapologetic left-wing "advocacy journalism" of the reporters.

A nauseating brew. And for the first time, the general public is getting a glimpse at it.

Tim Townsend, Adam Goodman and their ilk are destroying the newspaper industry.

Good riddance.

47 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:21:54am

I'm sure that if some sort of "American Christian Society" had several board members convicted of funding abortion clinic bombings, the press wouldn't just kinda sorta forget to mention this little detail when citing the Society in news stories.

48 nikis-knight  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:21:55am

On the one hand, mixing up blogger and commenter was the key factual error in thier piece, so that is what they should be retracting.

On the otherhand, acting as a PR firm for CAIR when you pretend to be a newspaper is a bigger issue than a factual error.

49 bodrules  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:21:55am

Still reckon those comments were planted by CAIR sockpuppets

50 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:22:03am
51 friarstale  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:22:13am

why, Charles, we weren't criticizing you or your islamophobic blog or your racist posters whatsoever
what could possibly have given your racist little brain that idea?
Sincerely,
The St.Louis Post, peace be upon us

/lol

52 smcg  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:22:16am

re: #40 CIA Reject

F TROOP!

53 X-ray  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:22:29am

re: #23 Charles

Charles,
Link

54 3 wood  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:22:36am

So, they quote some posts from your blog and still justify not touching base with you for comment. Typical. At least you are getting some sort of a clarification.

Notice that the "attitude" you got from the reporter was not addressed.

Just another example of why I loath the media.

55 David Simon  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:22:39am

re: #15 Kenneth

Given President George W. Bush's predilection for ignoring laws he doesn't agree with, it wouldn't be entirely surprising to discover he'd decided the 20th Amendment was no longer applicable and that he'll be staying on after next Jan. 20.

Interesting that the little moonbat cites the constitution without mentioning that the legislative branch can't write laws that are unconstitutional.

56 Bubblehead II  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:22:53am

re: #3 Charles

Some correction.

/not

57 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:23:06am
58 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:23:12am

re: #41 Dar ul Harb

re: #26 Desert Dog

re: #15 Kenneth

What will they write about when Bush is gone? Their lives will have no meaning

A: They're gonna have as much fun tearing down President McCain as they had building him up.

Or alternatively: They're going to have as much fun covering up President O... oh, I just can't say it.

59 jcm  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:23:19am

re: #41 Dar ul Harb

A: They're gonna have as much fun tearing down President McCain as they had building him up.

Already started the NYSlimes is running a McCain story they sat on for a year.

60 firebreather  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:23:27am

The left-wing media has had its collective tongue firmly inserted in CAIR's rectum for years.

61 bodrules  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:24:07am

these muslim pressure groups are all the same the world over - seethe, whine, complain, ignore the beam in their own eyes etc

62 antishock8  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:24:10am

Well, this is what I wrote to the editors, prior to seeing this thread:

Good Afternoon,


I'm sure you're aware of the exchange between Tim Townsend and the conservative blog Little Green Footballs by Charles Johnson. I'll decline to talk about the sophomoric exchange between the two, but am disturbed by Mr. Townsend's lack of vetting Islamic PR organizations like CAIR before printing their propaganda.

If you're interested, I've attached the Pentagon's Islamic law specialist, MAJ Stephen Coughlin's master thesis on extremist Islam, and why we should pay attention to what they're saying about themselves and their aims. I think anyone hoping to implement Sharia law to any degree is an enemy of progressivism, liberty, and equality. I hope you and your paper examines the ties between Islamic advocates and organizations that support terrorism and Sharia law before inadvertantly allowing them a platform to espouse their oppressive ideologies.

Thanks, and have a good day.

V/R
XXXX XXXXXX

---------

I think that's about as much as you can expect from a media type. They try to balance their egos with their sense of *cough* social justice *cough*.

63 Carolyn  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:24:22am

re: #35 Occasional Reader

And if you overlook the fact that CAIR was, once again, referred to as a “civil rights group”


I like it even more when they're just matter-of-factly described as "representing Muslims in America". Gosh, when was the election? I must have missed it.

What is the percentage of moslems in the US now?
Just wait until they have 15%....20%
Apologists in print, all of them.

64 abolitionist  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:24:25am

re: #23 Charles

Where? It's not on the corrections page.


On this page, [Link: www.stltoday.com...]
one has to click on the Corrections: just above February 20, to get here:

[Link: www.stltoday.com...]

65 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:24:58am

re: #58 Dar ul Harb

When the sh*t hits the fan with Prez. Obama, they will just continue to blame Bush....BDS has no cure and there is no treatment

66 rappmandu  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:24:59am

Just let CAIR attack you all they want via their MSM dhimmis. Then, when they issue their pathetic, intelligence-belittling non-apology, non-corrections, don't pursue the matter further.

Just get over it.

/

67 cookielady  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:25:03am

Ah, the real Cognito is back. I was a little worried for a while there, as I was enjoying and agreeing with C's comments.

Scared me!

68 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:25:10am
69 sparrowlake  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:25:29am

re: #27 Cognito

I disagree. Why settle for a quarter of a loaf? And what makes you such an expert on "class"? This innuendo-filled yellow journalism needs to be stopped.

70 BuddyG  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:25:41am

re: #27 Cognito


It is CAIR. They brought the matter up. And in the interests of full disclosusre, media outlets should've included CAIR's radical connections.

71 Jack Reacher  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:25:45am

So if a Legacy Media ™ source receives a press release from a left-wing or Islamist source (A bit redundant), it's printed as news. If they receive a report criticizing a left-winger, the source is investigated and those critical of the source are provided a free forum to smear said source (See Swift Boat Veterans for Truth).

Got it.

72 Bubblehead II  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:25:47am

re: #23 Charles

Here it is.

73 gman  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:25:50am

re: #27 Cognito

Dude, listen to yourself. You're starting to remind me of my brother-in-law who has Asperger's.

74 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:26:00am

re: #26 Desert Dog


When Bush is gone, America will enter a new era of Change and Hope. All problems will vanish under the benevalent hand of the Obama.

75 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:26:01am

The "correction" is up now:

www.stltoday.com...] target="_blank">


Due to an editing error, a story in Wednesday's Metro section did not correctly describe those making online comments about the Islamic Community Center in St. Louis. The writer Kathi on the blog "Gateway Pundit" and writers Amer1can and Arthur E. Hippler on the blog "Little Green Footballs" had written comments on those blogs. They were not the authors of those blogs.
76 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:26:31am

re: #15 Kenneth

Interesting. They haven't run a single letter to the editor from anyone on the Townsend article. Curious, isn't it.

77 Dov (In the Astrodome City) Republic of Texas  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:26:53am

Who cares about cair ? No one but themselves.

78 tommygum  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:27:00am

re: #25 cookielady

Charles, please don't put in the extra effort of holding your breath for the Post-Dispatch to do the right and honorable thing. That paper and the people that run and work for it lost all integrity many years ago, and I'm surprised that it is able to continue to publish. Like the NYT, their sales continue to drop year by year, and only the rabid Democrat St. Louis area crowd actually still reads the thing. All the rest of us just sneer at anything that comes out of it, and people refuse subscription offers. The last time I got a call I told the telemarketer flat out: I will never have that biased liberal slandersheet in my house, so don't bother calling me again.

Our house did the same thing with Newsday. My mother said "your newspaper is far too liberal for our household".

79 coquimbojoe  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:27:06am

re: #27 Cognito

Read this:

re: #40 CIA Reject

So let me get this straight: they're apologizing for smearing you while they blindly published islamicist propaganda from known a group linked to known terrorists- only they say they really didn't smear you.

idjit.

80 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:27:19am

Correction LINK

81 victor_yugo  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:27:24am

re: #19 rappmandu

This is not at all about an editing error. It is willful shilling for CAIR and appallingly shameless violation of basic tenents of Journalism 101.

Yeah, what he said.

This was not an editing error!

This was a problem at the source: CAIR and their willing mouthpiece in St. Louis, Tim Townsend. The only "error" on the part of any editor(s) is the willingness to let CAIR's propaganda go, unchallenged, into their product.

82 nikis-knight  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:27:25am
And if you overlook the fact that CAIR was, once again, referred to as a “civil rights group” with no acknowledgement of their well-documented connections to radical groups, or their status as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation Hamas funding case.

That's kind of like the inevitable "prophet" title given to Mohammed in any article.
"Cartoons showing the Prophet Mohammed", etc.

83 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:27:27am

When I read the paper, I turn right to the "corrections" page, don't you? They got their message across loud and clear and the fact that they "corrected" it is beside the point.....Why does the left in this country seem so comfortable with the darker side of Islam? PC gone wild?

84 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:27:42am

re: #27 Cognito

You deleted them as quickly as you could, but it was too late, and the predatory CAIR seized on them. It's no one's fault but the commentators themselves.

Are you aware of the self-contradiction in these two sentences?

85 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:27:44am

re: #27 Cognito

Go piss up a rope.

86 65droptop  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:28:30am

Prepare for more from CAIR.
This is just the first salvo.
Where is the outrage? Right here.

87 gymnast  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:28:31am

re: #46 zombie

The corporation that owns the San Jose Mercury-News, the Contra Costa Times, the Oakland Tribune and dozens of other California newspapers just announced that are "offering buyouts" to ALL of their employees - ahead of a planned massive layoff next month.

They may shed as much as 50% of their entire newsroom staffs.

Every day, somewhere in the country, you'll see a similar story.

The entire newspaper industry is in meltdown. There is panic.

And they can't figure out what is happening to them.

I'll give them a clue:

It is the sanctimonious imperial attitude displayed by the editors, who believe themselves to be higher powers gracing earth with their presence; coupled with the snotty, unapologetic left-wing "advocacy journalism" of the reporters.

A nauseating brew. And for the first time, the general public is getting a glimpse at it.

Tim Townsend, Adam Goodman and their ilk are destroying the newspaper industry.

Good riddance.

Perhaps "the people who buy ink by the barrel" are not aware that "little people like us" buy bytes by the trillions at far less cost than they pay for their ink and reprocessed trees. I do not need to pay to put up with their shit to get get news.

88 Russkilitlover  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:28:42am

re: #9 loppyd

re: #1 Occasional Reader


For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country.

(I'm just lovin' this line)


It does have staying power....

Fixed it. Could do without the first part.

"Brevity, brevity, brevity. Talk briefly of big things."
- A. Chekhov

89 victor_yugo  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:28:43am

re: #70 BuddyG

re: #27 Cognito

It is CAIR. They brought the matter up.

In the form of a minaret.

90 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:28:49am

From Goodman's letter:

Tim made no characterization whatsoever about your site other than saying it is where some of these comments appeared and that your blog had linked to the local ”Gateway Pundit” blog here.
That is also the reason that he did not feel compelled to get a response from you for this particular story.

This is just rubbish. Any real reporter worth anything would feel ethically, morally and professionally "compelled" to get responses from anyone mentioned in a story in the way that LGF was mentioned. I wonder if that reporter contacted anyone at Gateway Pundit, since this guy seems to imply that "Gateway Pundit" was the intended "culprit"? I doubt it.

91 nyc redneck  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:29:08am

this doesn't sound like a real "apology" from the assistant managing ed. it sounds like some begrudging words w/ an under tone of "ok go away now"

92 rappmandu  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:29:19am

Not the editor, not the managing editor, but the assistant managing editor. A dam Good man, though, I presume.

93 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:29:23am

re: #39 MellyMel

The writer Kathi on the blog "Gateway Pundit" and writers Amer1can and Arthur E. Hippler on the blog "Little Green Footballs" had written comments on those blogs. They were not the authors of those blogs.


Ugh, confusing language. I don't think they know what a blog is.

94 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:29:26am

re: #55 David Simon

Orwell had a word for that: doublethink

95 zmdavid  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:29:33am

They don't acknowledge that CAIR has been discredited. That is why they're retraction is limited to the commenter/blogger distinction. If they actually questioned CAIR's credentials as a civil rights group, they might be forced to scrutinize other suspect groups/organizations that make their life easier by issuing slanted press releases that they can report as news.

96 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:29:58am

re: #88 Russkilitlover

Fixed it. Could do without the first part.


psst I was (sardonically) quoting Michelle Obama

97 Jack Reacher  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:30:17am

re: #63 Carolyn



What is the percentage of moslems in the US now?
Just wait until they have 15%....20%
Apologists in print, all of them.

Well, let's see...

900 million Muslims*, 320 million population, ummm....Muslims appear to be 281% of the U.S. population.
*Extrapolated from CAIR claims ;)

98 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:30:29am
99 firebreather  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:31:02am

"CAIR, a civil rights group that merely seeks to protect Muslims from a frenzied, racist, Islamophobic America that is hellbent on killing Muslims & undermining the great & peaceful religion of Islam, is under monumental attack from hate-filled right-wing bloggers..."

--MSM, spittle-flecked denizens of Berkeley/Hollywood/Upper Manhattan, 97& of all professors in the Humanities...

100 Reluctant Democrat  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:31:06am

Speaking of the MSM, I hope they read Debbie Schlussel and her analysis of an article about the NIU shooter and his radical Islamic friends: NIU Shooter and his Islamist Friends

101 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:31:16am
Amer1can and Arthur E. Hippler

I've been here for quite a few years and I don't recall either of these commentors.

102 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:31:42am
103 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:32:06am

re: #101 Ringo the Gringo

Amer1can is a regular. Not sure about Arthur.

104 MellyMel  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:32:14am

re: #93 Killgore Trout

It's almost like they intentionally made it hard to understand. They probably knew exactly what they were doing. IMHO.

105 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:32:52am

re: #101 Ringo the Gringo

Amer1can and Arthur E. Hippler

I've been here for quite a few years and I don't recall either of these commentors.

Nor do I. Short-termers, dropped turds on a thread, quickly got deleted. But of course they're the real story, right Cognito? Come on.

106 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:32:55am

re: #93 Killgore Trout


Ugh, confusing language. I don't think they know what a blog is.

Or just intentionally confusing.

107 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:32:55am
108 CIA Reject  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:33:11am

re: #78 tommygum

re: #25 cookielady

Charles, please don't put in the extra effort of holding your breath for the Post-Dispatch to do the right and honorable thing. That paper and the people that run and work for it lost all integrity many years ago, and I'm surprised that it is able to continue to publish. Like the NYT, their sales continue to drop year by year, and only the rabid Democrat St. Louis area crowd actually still reads the thing. All the rest of us just sneer at anything that comes out of it, and people refuse subscription offers. The last time I got a call I told the telemarketer flat out: I will never have that biased liberal slandersheet in my house, so don't bother calling me again.

Our house did the same thing with Newsday. My mother said "your newspaper is far too liberal for our household".

When some "news" paper/magazine salesdriod occasionally calls my home asking me to subscribe I always tell them:

"I don't need it"

When they ask "why" I tell them:

"My dog is housebroken and my parakeet died"

That usually ends the conversation.

109 Tigger2005  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:33:47am

Personally I think it would be quite mature to tell these tools to go kiss the asses of their new Islamic overlords.

110 cookielady  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:33:57am

re: #101 Ringo the Gringo

Amer1can and Arthur E. Hippler

I've been here for quite a few years and I don't recall either of these commentors.

Recent. Even more recent than I.

111 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:34:01am

So Mr. Goodman, how do you respond to allegations that your reporter Mr. Townshend is a publicity agent for a radical Islamic front group, whom he (and apparently your editors) consider to be such trusted sources that your paper is willing to uncritically publish their press releases as legitimate news, without so much as contacting other sources for their responses to their claims?

112 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:34:09am

re: #46 zombie

Good post Zombie.

113 jcm  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:34:31am

Bad.
The paper unknowingly shills for and publishes info form a a group with terrorist links.

Worse.
When pointed out the paper does nothing about publishing un-varnished agtiprop. It apologizes for not making the distinction between the blogger and the commenters.

Worst.
The paper is knowingly dhimmified to CAIR and is covering it's tracks.

Take you pick.

114 stoker[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:34:50am
115 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:34:52am

re: #104 MellyMel

I'm not sure about that. After watching O'Reiley's lame attempts to attack Dkoas I'm inclined to believe that many in the MSM don't understand blogs. They just don't get the whole concept.

116 rappmandu  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:34:52am

!gnidduP

117 CIA Reject  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:35:16am

re: #90 reine.de.tout

From Goodman's letter:


Tim made no characterization whatsoever about your site other than saying it is where some of these comments appeared and that your blog had linked to the local ”Gateway Pundit” blog here.
That is also the reason that he did not feel compelled to get a response from you for this particular story.

This is just rubbish. Any real reporter worth anything would feel ethically, morally and professionally "compelled" to get responses from anyone mentioned in a story in the way that LGF was mentioned. I wonder if that reporter contacted anyone at Gateway Pundit, since this guy seems to imply that "Gateway Pundit" was the intended "culprit"? I doubt it.

Good point. Is anybody else disturbed by such a blatant lack of ethics on the part of someone who proports to be a "Religion" correspondent?

118 medaura18586  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:36:19am

I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that I don't recall the original incident, what commentators wrote, any of this... But from the general alas incomplete picture I am getting from putting some pieces together, I disapprove at the lashing some here are having against Cognito, and his position doesn't sound nonsensical or malevolent. Rudeness toward him for expressing his opinion is immature.

Can anyone direct me to the original mess though, so I get a better understanding?

119 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:36:21am

re: #92 rappmandu

Not the editor, not the managing editor, but the assistant managing editor. A dam Good man, though, I presume.

A cool one-day promotion that will look so good on his resume.

120 maddogg  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:36:36am

Cognito is like a broke toilet, no matter how many times you flush, the shit's still there....

121 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:36:44am

re: #103 Killgore Trout

re: #101 Ringo the Gringo

Amer1can is a regular. Not sure about Arthur.

Amer1can does sound familiar but it's a pretty generic type of name.

Now Kilgore Trout, there's a name that one remembers.

122 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:36:46am

Oh, and I have a followup.

123 Alouette  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:36:57am

re: #27 Cognito

What a freaking smarmy little twerp you are. Do you want to sit on the nodrog seat?

124 ronaldusmagnus  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:37:04am

So, the legacy of Joseph Pulitzer, founder of the St. Louis P-D, is this:

Half-hearted but sensational journalism that favors leftist propaganda, and an editorial page that vies with the Old Gray Hag for moonbattery.

125 gymnast  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:37:07am

re: #111 Dar ul Harb

So Mr. Goodman, how do you respond to allegations that your reporter Mr. Townshend is a publicity agent for a radical Islamic front group, whom he (and apparently your editors) consider to be such trusted sources that your paper is willing to uncritically publish their press releases as legitimate news, without so much as contacting other sources for their responses to their claims?

Or, "Is Tim Townsend the only reporter you have that is on retainer to the Saudi government or do they own your whole damn paper?".

126 MellyMel  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:37:19am

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Maybe. But then again, I'm a cynic. I read the WaPo (albeit begrudgingly) and the intentional crap they spew never fails to infuriate me.

127 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:37:45am

CAIR reads this blog everyday? Hey CAIR: MAY THE FLEAS OF A THOUSAND CAMELS INFEST YOUR UNDERARMS

If you want the USA to accept you and your religion, reform it to meet the demands of the 21st Century, not the 7th. Tell your crazy Jidahis to stop blowing things up. Tell your Imans to stop inflaming their flocks with sick and twisted messages. Tell your culture to join the civilized world. Tell your men to stop treating women like cattle or private property. Tell your leaders to pull their heads out and treat their people better. Learn what tolerance really means.

The USA, and especially GWB, has done more for Muslims than any Muslim in recent history has....he has freed more, liberated more, offered a taste of freedom to more Muslims than any Muslim leader has......tell that to your dwindling members.

And, stop with the BS already, we can see what you are and will continue to hold your feet to the fire until you go crawl back into the hole you emerged from.

128 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:37:50am
129 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:38:09am

re: #117 CIA Reject

Is anybody else disturbed by such a blatant lack of ethics on the part of someone who proports to be a "Religion" correspondent?


I've noticed that religion correspondents are notoriously weak when it come to radical Islam, CAIR and terrorism. They have deeply ingrained instincts to write about religion without offending anybody even at the expense of the truth.

130 Cog  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:38:16am

Charles, did you log the IP's of the 4 who made the threatening comments? One or two of them sounded a little to convient, given how quickly CAIR jumped on them.

I do not think CAIR is above a little Glenn Greenwald action. Posting threatening comments on LGF, and then reporting them to the media.

131 Maximu§  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:38:18am

Smell that?

Smells like Victory...

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

132 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:38:21am

re: #114 stoker

Goodbye CAIR moby.

133 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:38:44am
134 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:38:44am

re: #126 MellyMel

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Maybe. But then again, I'm a cynic. I read the WaPo (albeit begrudgingly) and the intentional crap they spew never fails to infuriate me.

My blood pressure doesn't need that. I've cut down on my MSM reading so my head doesn't explode.

135 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:38:53am

re: #107 song_and_dance_man

re: #101 Ringo the Gringo


Amer1can and Arthur E. Hippler

I've been here for quite a few years and I don't recall either of these commentors.

I've seen AMER1CAN here plenty of times but Hippler was a new nic for me.

You won't be seeing Hippler anymore.

136 rappmandu  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:38:58am

re: #46 zombie

English majors everywhere are taking wicked delight to see the smug J Schoolers get schooled because they betrayed their craft.

137 Ezekiel2517  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:39:06am

Smear today, wrong tomorrow.

138 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:39:21am

re: #103 Killgore Trout

re: #101 Ringo the Gringo

Amer1can is a regular. Not sure about Arthur.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] - Amer1can's profile

139 Cognito  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:39:52am

re: #114 stoker

Death threats. Nice.

140 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:41:04am

I always love to read the corrections in the LA Times. Often the tiny little correction changes the entire meaning of the story yet it's always printed in a tiny little box in the lower corner of an inner page...and in a style of language that makes it seem insignificant.

141 cookielady  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:41:40am

Hey, stoker, have you not figured out that when posting crud like that you MUST include a sarc tag?

'Cause if you're not being supremely sarcastic, you deserve to be deleted immediately.

142 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:41:48am

re: #139 Cognito

re: #114 stoker

Death threats. Nice.

That your sock, then?

143 David Simon  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:41:53am

re: #139 Cognito

re: #114 stoker

Death threats. Nice.

Did you report it like I did?

144 opnion  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:41:56am

It seems pretty obvious that CAIR and their ilk have sold the MSM the poor victim image.
Not a hard sell as they are predisposed to buy in
And pretty snarku if you are not onboard. Witness the sophmoric beavior by Timmy the reporter.

145 MellyMel  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:42:05am

re: #134 Kosh's Shadow

Yeah, I pretty much stick to Fox News and talk radio for my MSM fix. We get the paper only because my husband grew up reading their sports page and is loathe to change. I do the crossword puzzle and only read the rest of the paper when my bp can stand it.

146 ratherdashing  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:42:05am

It still amazes me how CAIR gets a pass. No scrutiny of what version of Islam they promote. No pointed questions directed at them. They are the accepted mouthpiece of the American Muslim community.

But, I'm partially with Cognito on this one. It's the LGF commenter that got Charles in this mess. As readers/users, we need to be more vigilant with our reporting of comments that cross the line. Given that, this "correction" is about all that can be expected.

147 rappmandu  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:42:20am

re: #139 Cognito

With all due respect and affectation, get over it.

/

148 musicman  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:42:52am

re: #143 David Simon

re: #139 Cognito

re: #114 stoker

Death threats. Nice.

Did you report it like I did?

It's gone.

149 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:43:14am
150 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:43:32am

Ibrahim Hooper is doing all he can to implement the 'legal jihad'.

In the case of the 'flying Imams' Ibrahim was on an MSM news show and he repeatedly said (paraphrasing) that anytime someone, in that case it was a 'John Doe', should be taken to court every time first.

All he wants to do is tie up the legal system any way or how to continue his legal jihad and 'jam' Islam into the news any way shape or form. We will eventually be forced to get used to it and then they win.

151 kynna  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:44:22am

With a middle-manager like this Adam Goodman zero, I'm not surprised Princess Timmy has such a problem relating to people. No wonder the pseudo-journalist comes off as spoiled rotten. He is.

And if this low-level goofball (asst managing editor/metro?) can't understand how that was a hit-piece he is obviously in over his head.

152 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:44:26am

re: #138 lawhawk


Amer1can's profile


"The armies of Christ will rise again"

Oh my.

Is he the one who made the "dynamite" comment?

153 Old Buick Tanker  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:45:14am

re: #27 Cognito
You really don't get it, do you? Here's a cluebat:
1. Terrorist-supporting group pays to publish a pack of lies.
2. "Reporter" repackages the pack of lies.
3. "Reporter" acts like a 5-year old child.
4. "Editor" "apologizes" for an error in the pack of lies.

And you apparently have no problem with the above?

Moron.

154 Charles  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:45:33am

Notice that they haven't changed one word of Townsend's article either, and it's still the top story on their Religion page.

155 rappmandu  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:45:39am
156 cygnus  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:45:41am

re: #61 bodrules

these muslim pressure groups are all the same the world over - seethe, whine, complain, ignore the beam two-story house in their own eyes etc

Just a slight tweak.

157 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:45:56am

Here's Arthur's profile - and note that he had a grand total of seven comments before he got blocked by Charles.

158 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:46:04am

re: #148 musicman

It's gone.

Remarkably, not banned, however.

(Pending further investigation, perhaps?)


Oh, and Cog, I forgot my /sarc tag...

159 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:46:29am

re: #152 Ringo the Gringo

He did post an apology the other day. He essentially said he stood by his comment but was sorry for the trouble it caused. Methinks he still doesn't get it.

160 Bubblehead II  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:46:29am

re: #114 stoker

I do believe you are now toast, good bye and good riddance

161 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:46:32am

The headline reads: LGF IS A RACIST AND EVIL BLOG
Bold-faced, above the fold in large letters...

The effect is to paint LGF with a brush that "his readers" will understand.

The "correction" required a magnify glass and is buried in the back pages next to the want ads and used car listings....accomplishing nothing

Tim knew what he was doing. He does not like Charles or any of us lizards. I will guess that Tim has never cherry picked the DU or KOS sites. Those two spit out more vitriol and hatred than LGF ever has. Nope, that does not meet his political agenda.

162 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:47:05am

About these 2 "posters":

Arthur E Hippler
This user is blocked.
Registered since: Nov 28, 2007 at 4:58 pm
No. of comments posted: 7

"Hippler" looks like a Moby.

AMER1CAN
The armies of Christ will rise again

Registered since: Apr 29, 2006 at 3:01 pm

No. of comments posted: 425
No. of links posted: 4
Show comments within last 7 days

Either a very patient Moby, or a just a freak. His comments tend to be rather bizarre

163 coquimbojoe  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:47:25am

re: #118 medaura18586

Go reread the posts on the front page. Check out the links to the articles. The posts made here that were deleted were stupid and obnoxious. But, Cognito is redirecting the argument and ignoring facts of where this story came from and who the paper is effectively shilling for.

164 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:47:30am

re: #161 Desert Dog

The headline reads: LGF IS A RACIST AND EVIL BLOG
Bold-faced, above the fold in large letters...

The effect is to paint LGF with a brush that "his readers" will understand.

The "correction" required a magnify glass and is buried in the back pages next to the want ads and used car listings....accomplishing nothing

Tim knew what he was doing. He does not like Charles or any of us lizards. I will guess that Tim has never cherry picked the DU or KOS sites. Those two spit out more vitriol and hatred than LGF ever has. Nope, that does not meet his political agenda.

I am sure he pays Khaled the 'dhim tax' and loves it.

165 medaura18586  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:47:45am

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

Folks, I think that the Cognito pile-on is getting out of hand.

However unwelcome Cognito's views, they are mostly pleas towards moderation and against a rush to judgment. I don't always agree with Cognito's points of view, but the urge towards not making snap judgments or giving way to the emotion of the moment is a good thing, precisely because--however unwelcome--it helps keep us honest.

Disagree with Cognito? Fine; in this instance, I tend to also. But let's keep the reflexive personality stuff tamped down a little.

Agreed. I don't even know Cognito as a user, first time I am noticing his/her posts. But the reaction is just ridiculous: go piss on a rope, shit-flushed toilet, Asperger's, etc. One might disagree, even finding disagreeable comments unwelcome is too strong a statement, let alone the knee-jerk vulgar reactions. I don't think that editor outclassed Charles, but Cognito here has certainly outclassed most of his bashers.

166 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:47:49am
167 David Simon  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:48:01am

re: #154 Charles

Notice that they haven't changed one word of Townsend's article either, and it's still the top story on their Religion page.

The headline goes on page 1; the retraction will get buried.

168 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:48:43am

re: #154 Charles


Notice that they haven't changed one word of Townsend's article either, and it's still the top story on their Religion page.


Of course not. The MSM is used to the ink and paper tradition where corrections are printed the next day. For them to post a blog-like correction at their original story is something that wouldn't even enter their minds.

169 CIA Reject  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:49:16am

re: #128 buzzsawmonkey

re: #117 CIA Reject

Is anybody else disturbed by such a blatant lack of ethics on the part of someone who proports to be a "Religion" correspondent?

He's not claiming to be religious; he writes about religion. I am sure that the "objectivity" requirements of the job mandate that he have none himself, lest he be accused of displaying bias.

Yes, I see your point, but it is rather like having Carrie Nation writing the wine column. You'd like the author to have at least a passing familiarity with the subject matter...

170 gymnast  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:49:33am

re: #150 Oh no...Sand People!

Ibrahim Hooper is doing all he can to implement the 'legal jihad'.

In the case of the 'flying Imams' Ibrahim was on an MSM news show and he repeatedly said (paraphrasing) that anytime someone, in that case it was a 'John Doe', should be taken to court every time first.

All he wants to do is tie up the legal system any way or how to continue his legal jihad and 'jam' Islam into the news any way shape or form. We will eventually be forced to get used to it and then they win.

What CAIR and Hooper are doing is setting off "media mobbings" through the clever use of press releases which are picked up by willing tools and ignorant fools in the media. This is similar to what the New York Times was doing this morning when it ran the McCain story. You can start a hell of a big fire with a small match.

171 littleoldlady  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:49:54am

I know this is just me (and no doubt because I'm...you know...old) but if one of my employees - or anyone who had to answer to me in the workplace - was the writer of those emails Townsend sent to Charles, he would be a) fired licketysplit, and b) I would be doing backflips trying to apologize for his complete and total lack of class and professionalism.

/yeah, I said it was just me...

NOT A WORD, MR. GOODMAN?!

172 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:50:06am

re: #166 song_and_dance_man

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

From time to time I have agreed with Cognito. Other than that I find him as a catalyst of sorts that serves to hone my apology. Iron sharpens iron as they say.

Keep posting Cognito - and I know you will since you have displayed a good deal of tenacity so far.

The Gordon collective is like that.

173 Bubblehead II  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:50:22am

re: #143 David Simon

Reported and dinged down. Either it was a mobey or a total idiot to post that crap after yesterday. I'm going for the mobey angle.

174 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:50:30am

#114 [deleted] 2/21/08 9:34:50 am

Stinky walks softly, but he caries a BIG EFFEN STICK!

175 BulgarWheat  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:50:35am

re: #165 medaura18586

At the core of it, people are tired of being lectured by cognito. I notice that you have that same unappreciated bad habit.

176 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:50:37am

Kevin Mowbray President and Publisher

Responsible for: Overall direction of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Background: Mowbray began his career with Lee in 1986 as an advertising sales representative in his hometown of Kewanee, Ill. He advanced to sales positions in Helena, Butte and Billings, Montana, before moving to Chicago as Lee's national sales manager for corporate sales and marketing. In 1995, he joined the Lincoln Journal Star as advertising manager, where he served three years before becoming general manager at the Missoulian in Missoula, Montana, in 1998. In 2000, he advanced to publisher of The Bismarck Tribune in Bismarck, North Dakota, where he guided the newspaper to the 2001 Lee President's Award for Enterprise of the Year. In 2002, he was appointed vice president for sales and marketing, and in 2004 he became a vice president for publishing and publisher of The Times of Northwest Indiana, based in Munster and serving the southern suburban Chicago market. In 2005, Suburban Newspapers of America honored The Times as Newspaper of the Year.

177 cosmo  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:51:07am

The part of the letter you didn't see, Charles, was where Townsend and his unindicted co-editor were given raises for their contributions to journalistic excellence.

Funding for raises generously provided by CAIR.

178 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:51:18am

re: #172 Dar ul Harb

Or I should say, "was" like that.

179 David Simon  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:51:19am

re: #173 Bubblehead II

re: #143 David Simon

Reported and dinged down. Either it was a mobey or a total idiot to post that crap after yesterday. I'm going for the mobey angle.

Well, he's now a banned Moby.

180 David Simon  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:52:16am

re: #176 MandyManners

I wonder if he's related to Joel.

181 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:53:04am

re: #169 CIA Reject

Religion? Where was the religious part?

182 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:53:22am

Mr. stoker, your contribution no longer meets our needs.

This user is blocked.
183 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:53:39am
184 pat  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:53:43am

Wonder how long they can ignore the contradiction between the story (no call to prayer) with the loud speaker constructed in the face of the minaret?

185 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:53:45am

re: #180 David Simon

re: #176 MandyManners

I wonder if he's related to Joel.

I've found no connection.

186 rappmandu  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:54:06am

CAIR's just doing the same thing Hesham Islam did to Stephen Coughlin: hand-pick an especially effective enemy and attempt to silence him by discrediting him.

187 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:54:23am

Report: Sadr to extend cease-fire
By Bill Roggio February 21, 2008 11:05 AM

Muqtada al Sadr, the leader of the Sadrist movement and the commander of the Mahdi Army, has ordered the extension of the cease-fire, anonymous senior officials in his movement have told Reuters. The cease-fire, which was put in place after a major clash in Najaf in August 2007, will be extended by six months.

"Sadr had issued a declaration to preachers to be read during midday prayers on Friday at mosques affiliated with the cleric," Reuters reported. "The general idea is that there will be an extension," an unnamed senior official in Sadr's movement in Baghdad told the news agency. "Sayed (Sadr) has distributed sealed envelopes to the imams of the mosques to be read tomorrow. They cannot be opened before tomorrow." Another senior official in Najaf said the cease-fire would be extended by six months.

Multinational Forces Iraq and the Iraqi government have conducted a concerted campaign to pressure Sadr to order his Mahdi Army to end the fighting, extend the cease-fire, and rejoin the political process. Multinational Forces Iraq began associating the actions of the Iranian-backed Special Groups terror cells with the Mahdi Army during the summer of 2007, and have executed numerous raids against the Special Groups in central and southern Iraq. At the same time, the Iraqi military began targeting Mahdi Army in the southern cities of Samawah, Al Kut, Diwaniyah, and Basrah.

188 CIA Reject  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:54:27am

re: #181 debutaunt

I thought the guy who wrote the column was the paper's Religion correspondent.

189 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:54:53am

re: #171 littleoldlady

I know this is just me (and no doubt because I'm...you know...old) but if one of my employees - or anyone who had to answer to me in the workplace - was the writer of those emails Townsend sent to Charles, he would be a) fired licketysplit, and b) I would be doing backflips trying to apologize for his complete and total lack of class and professionalism.

/yeah, I said it was just me...

NOT A WORD, MR. GOODMAN?!

Townsend is doing a crackerjack job and probably will get a nice raise.

190 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:55:17am
191 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:55:20am

It's easy to find Mowbray's phone number and e-mail address on Google.

192 rawmuse  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:55:49am

re: #183 song_and_dance_man

re: #179 David Simon

Just a couple of minutes ago he was just deleted. Good, we don't need death threats here.

I missed it. Were the death threats directed at us Lizards, or outward?
Either is bad, but the first requires that I go to Readiness Level Orange or at least Yellow.

193 musicman  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:55:52am

Just wondering. . . I would love to know how many STL Today readers make it their everyday ritual to check on corrections?

Me thinks. . . .

None!

Exception. . .

Today

194 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:56:27am

re: #175 BulgarWheat

re: #165 medaura18586

At the core of it, people are tired of being lectured by cognito. I notice that you have that same unappreciated bad habit.

Be sure to have a sharpened #2 pencil at the ready.

195 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:56:33am
196 cygnus  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:56:52am

re: #82 nikis-knight

And if you overlook the fact that CAIR was, once again, referred to as a “civil rights group” with no acknowledgement of their well-documented connections to radical groups, or their status as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation Hamas funding case.

That's kind of like the inevitable "prophet" title given to Mohammed in any article.
"Cartoons showing the Prophet Mohammed", etc.

Can you imagine a newspaper article where they refer to Jesus as 'The Lord Jesus Christ'? It'll never happen.

197 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:56:57am

re: #187 Kenneth

Report: Sadr to extend cease-fire
By Bill Roggio February 21, 2008 11:05 AM

Sadr may be ignorant, but he's not stupid.

Too bad he's still around to release a fatwa.

198 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:57:07am

re: #188 CIA Reject

He is.

199 rawmuse  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:57:23am

re: #195 song_and_dance_man

OK. Standing down. Threat level white again.

200 nyc redneck  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:57:29am

hopefully, this story, still on the front page of the religion section, will pique the interest of more citizens to investigate islam and cair. surely some people will see the truth.

201 Old Buick Tanker  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:57:34am

Hey, whatever happened to nodroG?

202 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:57:47am

re: #195 song_and_dance_man

re: #192 rawmuse

It was directed at Cognito.

LOL!

203 musicman  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:57:55am

re: #179 David Simon

re: #173 Bubblehead II

re: #143 David Simon

Reported and dinged down. Either it was a mobey or a total idiot to post that crap after yesterday. I'm going for the mobey angle.

Well, he's now a banned Moby.

Justice is swift! So is stinky!

204 David Simon  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:58:22am

re: #183 song_and_dance_man

re: #179 David Simon

Just a couple of minutes ago he was just deleted. Good, we don't need death threats here.

Registration is infrequent; so before someone registers, it's likely that they've spent a lot of time lurking and they know the rules. I'm with Bubblehead: "Stoker" was a Moby.

205 Silhouette  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:58:35am

I don't know about you guys, but I always report without question, the press releases of known unindicted co-conspirators in terror, and feel no need to even think about contacting the other party for their side.

/sarcastic

Did they teach journalism in journalism school?

/rhetorical

206 vxbush  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:58:41am

re: #201 Old Buick Tanker

Hey, whatever happened to nodroG?

Banned ages ago.

207 loppyd  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:58:44am

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

Folks, I think that the Cognito pile-on is getting out of hand.

However unwelcome Cognito's views, they are mostly pleas towards moderation and against a rush to judgment. I don't always agree with Cognito's points of view, but the urge towards not making snap judgments or giving way to the emotion of the moment is a good thing, precisely because--however unwelcome--it helps keep us honest.

Disagree with Cognito? Fine; in this instance, I tend to also. But let's keep the reflexive personality stuff tamped down a little.

Perhaps this is why people take umbrage with Cognito.

#96 Cognito 2/20/08 9:52:43 am reply quote report -4


I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.

208 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:58:48am

re: #188 CIA Reject

re: #181 debutaunt

I thought the guy who wrote the column was the paper's Religion correspondent.

He is, but the article seems to lack that direction.

209 Canadian Guy  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:58:51am

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

Folks, I think that the Cognito pile-on is getting out of hand.

However unwelcome Cognito's views, they are mostly pleas towards moderation and against a rush to judgment. .

I agree.

It's this kind of knee-jerk anger and smart ass reaction to a picture of a mosque by a handful of lizards that started this whole mess in the first place.

In a sense, Cognito is right, although I don't agree with his earlier comment suggesting the editor was outclassing Charles.

I am also getting tired of people here suggesting that the four commentors in question were all CAIR plants. Leave the conspiracy theories to the moonbats, people.

210 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:58:57am

re: #201 Old Buick Tanker

Hey, whatever happened to nodroG?

He sleeps with the Arafishes.

211 cygnus  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:59:10am

re: #97 Jack Reacher

re: #63 Carolyn

What is the percentage of moslems in the US now?
Just wait until they have 15%....20%
Apologists in print, all of them.

Well, let's see...

900 million Muslims*, 320 million population, ummm....Muslims appear to be 281% of the U.S. population.
*Extrapolated from CAIR claims ;)

That must include the ones in utero. Baklava in the oven, as they say.

212 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:59:11am

re: #201 Old Buick Tanker

Be was banned a while ago. He has a blog where he relives LGF threads 2003. Kinda sad.

213 bushleague  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 9:59:46am

re: #207 loppyd

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

Folks, I think that the Cognito pile-on is getting out of hand.

However unwelcome Cognito's views, they are mostly pleas towards moderation and against a rush to judgment. I don't always agree with Cognito's points of view, but the urge towards not making snap judgments or giving way to the emotion of the moment is a good thing, precisely because--however unwelcome--it helps keep us honest.

Disagree with Cognito? Fine; in this instance, I tend to also. But let's keep the reflexive personality stuff tamped down a little.

Perhaps this is why people take umbrage with Cognito.

#96 Cognito 2/20/08 9:52:43 am reply quote report -4
I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.


Except that some agree with that assessment

214 vinny  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:00:05am

This "correction" is more of the same. The correction sounds like the Blog authors became uncomfortable with the post article and separated themselves from the mentioned comments. It sounds like they won some moral victory and isolated those unpalatable commentors. However, the point they cannot seem to grasp is that we are disgusted with how they do bussiness, and how they spew forth vile propaganda.
These newspaper editors should be grateful to Blogs, because if it weren't for the link I would never think of looking at their site or their paper. The way they managed to corrupt reporting of the news, the only traffic they get now is through blogs like this.

215 maddogg  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:00:16am

The bigger LGF gets, the more attention it garners, and the more cognizant of their posts the posters will have to become.

I posted things 2-3 years ago that would likely get me banned now, and they weren't even deleted. With fame comes scrutiny.

/tis the way of things...

216 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:00:17am
217 Cognito  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:00:31am

re: #195 song_and_dance_man

re: #192 rawmuse

It was directed at Cognito.

Nah, it was directed at the newspaper editor.re: #207 loppyd

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

Folks, I think that the Cognito pile-on is getting out of hand.

However unwelcome Cognito's views, they are mostly pleas towards moderation and against a rush to judgment. I don't always agree with Cognito's points of view, but the urge towards not making snap judgments or giving way to the emotion of the moment is a good thing, precisely because--however unwelcome--it helps keep us honest.

Disagree with Cognito? Fine; in this instance, I tend to also. But let's keep the reflexive personality stuff tamped down a little.

Perhaps this is why people take umbrage with Cognito.

#96 Cognito 2/20/08 9:52:43 am reply quote report -4
I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.



Interesting how you chose to carve out all context.

218 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:01:09am

The Migration of al-Qaeda in Iraq: Gaza's New Residents

Al-Qaeda terrorists from Iraq have entered into Gaza via the downed fence with Egypt, according to reports and jihadi websites. This should be viewed in context with AQI’s recent message offering assistance to Palestinian terrorists in Gaza. On the al-Qaeda wave into Gaza (along with others), this week’s guest on the Fire Watch podcast, Nir Boms, refers to them as Gaza’s New Residents at The Weekly Standard.

The border incident, initiated by Hamas and Islamic Jihad, allowed some otherwise unwelcome guests to enter Gaza. The Bethlehem-based Maan news agency quoted Hamas sources as estimating the number of Arab men who had entered the Gaza Strip as new residents at 2,000. Many of these men, according to Egyptian sources, toured a number of Hamas-affiliated training bases and security installations and expressed their desire to remain in the Gaza Strip and launch attacks against Israel.

219 RickZ  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:02:07am

Why would anyone expect any other reply from the dinosaur media thrashing about after the meteoric explosion of the internet? 'Tis to laugh.

220 loppyd  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:02:09am

re: #217 Cognito

re: #195 song_and_dance_man

re: #192 rawmuse

It was directed at Cognito.

Nah, it was directed at the newspaper editor.re: #207 loppyd

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

Folks, I think that the Cognito pile-on is getting out of hand.

However unwelcome Cognito's views, they are mostly pleas towards moderation and against a rush to judgment. I don't always agree with Cognito's points of view, but the urge towards not making snap judgments or giving way to the emotion of the moment is a good thing, precisely because--however unwelcome--it helps keep us honest.

Disagree with Cognito? Fine; in this instance, I tend to also. But let's keep the reflexive personality stuff tamped down a little.

Perhaps this is why people take umbrage with Cognito.

#96 Cognito 2/20/08 9:52:43 am reply quote report -4
I like LGF. But the comments section is shot through with so much flabby, pudding-like thinking that it actually impedes the site, I believe.



Interesting how you chose to carve out all context.

How is that out of context? You said it.

221 cygnus  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:02:23am

re: #143 David Simon

re: #139 Cognito

re: #114 stoker

Death threats. Nice.

Did you report it like I did?

It's been deleted.

222 rawmuse  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:02:41am

Commerce beckons. Checking out for now. Remain vigilant, or I shall return to Haiku mode.

223 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:03:01am

re: #115 Killgore Trout

re: #104 MellyMel

I'm not sure about that. After watching O'Reiley's lame attempts to attack Dkoas I'm inclined to believe that many in the MSM don't understand blogs. They just don't get the whole concept.

At least O'Reilly has been having Mary Katharine Ham on, so he's slowly getting an education. O'Reilly may be an old media relic to some extent, but he generally has his head on straight.

224 Cognito  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:03:03am

re: #220 loppyd

I'm sure you understand context just fine.

225 Canadian Guy  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:03:46am

re: #152 Ringo the Gringo

Yes and he posted later on Tuesday that he would defend the comment.

226 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:03:51am
227 loppyd  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:03:59am

re: #224 Cognito

re: #220 loppyd

I'm sure you understand context just fine.

And this is an example of exactly why people dislike you. You are arrogant and sanctimonious.

228 secsailor  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:04:15am

re: #201 Old Buick Tanker

Hey, whatever happened to nodroG?

He finally crossed the line and got banned a few months back. (There was much rejoicing!)

229 musicman  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:04:55am

Hey Charles,

Ever thought about including posts deleted today and yesterday up their in that information box?

230 Cognito  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:05:13am

re: #227 loppyd

re: #224 Cognito

re: #220 loppyd

I'm sure you understand context just fine.

And this is an example of exactly why people dislike you. You are arrogant and sanctimonious.

I'm simply asking that if you quote me, to include the context. Easily done, although not always convenient to your point.

Thanks.

231 Silhouette  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:05:20am

re: #218 Kenneth

That's a shame. One of the only downsides to getting rid of your rats is that they may move over to your neighbor's house.

On the optimistic side, maybe the addition of another faction with increase the infighting. Keeps their minds off killing innocents

232 maddogg  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:05:52am

re: #228 secsailor

re: #201 Old Buick Tanker


Hey, whatever happened to nodroG?

He finally crossed the line and got banned a few months back. (There was much rejoicing!)

I kinda miss the nodrog, he took a lickin' and kept on tickin':)

233 Russkilitlover  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:06:10am

re: #96 Occasional Reader

Yeah, I know. She could use me as an editor.

234 musicman  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:06:33am

re: #229 musicman

Hey Charles,

Ever thought about including posts deleted today and yesterday up their in that information box?

Also, members blocked or banned?

235 coquimbojoe  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:06:38am

re: #175 BulgarWheat

So glad not to be the only one that feels this way,

236 yochanan  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:06:44am

re: #74 Kenneth

re: #26 Desert Dog


When Bush is gone, America will enter a new era of Change and Hope. All problems will vanish under the benevalent hand of the Obama.


DON'T MIND THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTIN

THE GREAT OZ

237 rappmandu  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:06:45am

context is a process
process is a context
process is a process
context is a context

238 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:07:19am

re: #197 Dar ul Harb

too bad his evil dispatches aren't coming from hell

239 gr8inferno  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:08:00am

in yo face! - I like that

240 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:08:01am

re: #231 Silhouette

re: #218 Kenneth
[re: AQI in Gaza]
On the optimistic side, maybe the addition of another faction with increase the infighting. Keeps their minds off killing innocents

Hey if they want to concentrate their forces, it makes it that much easier to kill them. Go IDF!

241 coquimbojoe  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:08:21am

re: #232 maddogg

re: #228 secsailor

re: #201 Old Buick Tanker


Hey, whatever happened to nodroG?


He finally crossed the line and got banned a few months back. (There was much rejoicing!)

I kinda miss the nodrog, he took a lickin' and kept on tickin':)

I miss Chen. He was an amazing fool sometimes, but he also stood in there and debated a lot.

242 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:08:50am
243 ronaldusmagnus  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:08:56am

The Religision Editor at our local rag is thoughtful and polite. Townsend at the P-D comes across as a petulant snot.

But, his colleagues believe otherwise, having awarded him a $3,500 journalism prize in 2005.

From the Religion Newswriters Association:

Judges praised Townsend for his "exemplary legwork and keen news judgment [which] combine to produce compelling and highly informative journalism. What stands out is the authoritative tone and relentless focus on hard news, thoroughly and fairly reported. This is journalism that takes on significant conflicts directly, calmly and analytically...This is mature work by an exceptionally talented reporter."

Wondering if he will be returning the prize? Hmmmm...

244 David Simon  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:09:18am

re: #218 Kenneth

From your link:

Al-Qaeda is aggressively setting up shop in Gaza. And in so doing, it is also attempting to piggyback off the lucrative Palestinian cause in the Arab world.

That's slightly off base. The "Palestinians'" Arab brothers don't give a shit about them. What will rally fellow Arabs to their "cause" is if Al Qaeda can deal a knockout blow to Israel.

OBL was on his way to becoming a penniless nobody until the successful strike on the USS Cole. After that, money began pouring in to the AQ coffers. Hence, his "strong horse" analogy.

245 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:09:42am

re: #242 song_and_dance_man

re: #217 Cognito

I didn't read the actual post and assumed it was directed at you since there is always a piling on of you, and you posted about a specific death threat.

My apologies if I got that wrong. Still death threats are unacceptable.

It was better when I thought you were being sarcastic.

246 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:10:00am

re: #231 Silhouette

The US & Iraqi forces have been greatly increasing pressure on the Special Groups (Shia militias backed & directed by Iran). Some of Sadr's militas work with the Special Groups, some do not. The US strategy is to take apart these various cells, hammering the Iranians in Iraq, and to isolate Sadr. It takes a long time, but it's working. That's why the US hasn't offed Sadr himself. His fence sitting helps create factions among the Shia militias, which in the long run will destroy the whole lot of them.

247 medaura18586  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:10:00am

re: #175 BulgarWheat

re: #165 medaura18586

At the core of it, people are tired of being lectured by cognito. I notice that you have that same unappreciated bad habit.

Like I said, I have no idea who Cognito is and I'm not familiar with his/her track record on LGF. The fairest attitude toward any poster here, in my opinion, is to judge their words on their own merits on a case-by-case basis, rather than reflexively take sides. Also, there are ways of taking sides without foul language...

I have a bad temper myself at times, but I try reserve my transgressions from civil posting for users whose comments are truly hideous and evil. Cognito's here didn't come close to jumping that shark.

But then again, I'm just lecturing you again. Never mind me, sounds like other people here feel much more strongly about this than I do, so I'll let you sort it out among yourselves.

Btw, I did reread all original links, especially the email exchange with Tim, and Cognito, while I understand your point, I have to disagree: give these people an inch, and they'll take a mile

248 loppyd  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:10:16am

re: #241 coquimbojoe

re: #232 maddogg

re: #228 secsailor

re: #201 Old Buick Tanker


Hey, whatever happened to nodroG?


He finally crossed the line and got banned a few months back. (There was much rejoicing!)

I kinda miss the nodrog, he took a lickin' and kept on tickin':)

I miss Chen. He was an amazing fool sometimes, but he also stood in there and debated a lot.

I miss the millionaire, DavidJSchwartz

249 BulgarWheat  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:10:21am

re: #235 coquimbojoe

I stay out of it, but typically a sight like LGF is not populated by folks that like being told how to behave or think. Terms like sanctimonious are accurate in this instance.

250 BakiShamil[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:10:49am
251 Farang Kheemao  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:10:50am

Do we actually believe the MSM is going to write anything honest, truthful and unbiased?

252 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:10:57am

I'd rather be fishing.

253 Son Of The Godfather  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:11:31am

Sorry if I missed it, but has Charles tried to contact that CBS affiliate that reported LGF as an "anti-Muslim" site?

254 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:11:35am
255 coquimbojoe  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:11:39am

re: #249 BulgarWheat

Zactly.

256 cookielady  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:11:55am

re: #248 loppyd

re: #241 coquimbojoe


re: #232 maddogg

re: #228 secsailor

re: #201 Old Buick Tanker

Hey, whatever happened to nodroG?

He finally crossed the line and got banned a few months back. (There was much rejoicing!)

I kinda miss the nodrog, he took a lickin' and kept on tickin':)

I miss Chen. He was an amazing fool sometimes, but he also stood in there and debated a lot.

I miss the millionaire, DavidJSchwartz

What ever happened to Naso Tang?

257 medaura18586  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:12:33am

re: #235 coquimbojoe

Last time I checked, you proclaimed I was an AlQaeda troll, so I am delighted to see that your feelings have cooled down a bit since...

258 Silhouette  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:12:40am

re: #251 Farang Kheemao

Hope springs eternal.

/did I just say hope? Drink!

259 musicman  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:12:46am

re: #256 cookielady

re: #248 loppyd

re: #241 coquimbojoe


re: #232 maddogg


re: #228 secsailor

re: #201 Old Buick Tanker

Hey, whatever happened to nodroG?


He finally crossed the line and got banned a few months back. (There was much rejoicing!)


I kinda miss the nodrog, he took a lickin' and kept on tickin':)


I miss Chen. He was an amazing fool sometimes, but he also stood in there and debated a lot.


I miss the millionaire, DavidJSchwartz

What ever happened to Naso Tang?

And the guy, can't remember his nic, that gave the weather reports.

260 Jeff MacMillan  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:13:02am

I don't care about accolades but I just wanted to pitch in that I deserve some credit as do any other LGFers or other Non-LGFers for politely e-mailing Tim Townsend to make this correction.

I am thrilled that St. Louis Dispatch made the correction.
I am also thrilled that I was simply able to play a role here in helping out Charles. It's a way to do more than just donating him cash.

Much THANKS for anyone else out there that informed the paper of the error.

261 bill-tb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:13:06am

Charles, way to go -- You could add the lizards to the list of proud. Don't take the finger out of CAIR's eye, they deserve every bit of it. I wonder when we will ever hear from CAIR that many of the things Muslims do in the name of Islam is wrong ... Not holding my breath.

It's as if these groups like CAIR are the advance guard, plowing the ground for the waves to follow.

262 Cognito  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:13:06am

re: #249 BulgarWheat

re: #235 coquimbojoe

I stay out of it, but typically a sight like LGF is not populated by folks that like being told how to behave or think. Terms like sanctimonious are accurate in this instance.

I've followed the back-and-forth between you guys with interest. It surprises me because I've enjoyed your posts in the past but have never, that I remember, addressed either of you...

263 coquimbojoe[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:13:36am
264 cookielady  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:14:06am

re: #259 musicman

And the guy, can't remember his nic, that gave the weather reports.

Ed of Many Names got banned for picking and reposting at an LGF-hating site, I believe.

265 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:14:21am
266 LarrySheldon  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:14:39am

It's the MSM man. Nobody that can think, reads it.

Let it go.

The people that matter know what the truth is.

267 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:15:06am

St. Cog, I dig you.

You are the Squidward of LGF!

/I do like Squidward on Spongebob. Him and Krabs...heck that whole show cracks me up.

268 maddogg  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:15:21am

re: #259 musicman

That was ed of many names, blocked for treachery.

269 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:16:45am

re: #268 maddogg

re: #259 musicman

That was ed of many names, blocked for treachery.

Also known as Ed of "Too Much Information" at times...

270 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:16:47am

re: #267 Oh no...Sand People!

St. Cog, I dig you.

You are the Squidward of LGF!

/I do like Squidward on Spongebob. Him and Krabs...heck that whole show cracks me up.

The episode called 'Culture Shock' when Squidward does his 'interpretive dance' during a show at the Krusty Krab. No one understands it. Then start throwing tomatoes.
So funny.

271 BulgarWheat  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:17:10am

re: #262 Cognito

Exactly. I try to keep a pretty small footprint, usually a humerous post or two, spend more time on the deadthread.

Just my observations the last couple of weeks. Nothing of great value

272 maddogg  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:17:13am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

I'd rather be fishing.


Or hunting, at least for me, it is a reason to go on, and the only one I need truth be told.

273 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:17:18am
274 cookielady  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:17:53am

re: #270 Oh no...Sand People!

You're talking to yourself.

About Spongebob.

{Oh no...Sand People!}

275 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:18:19am

re: #270 Oh no...Sand People!

Anything with Mrs. Puff and/or Plankton in it gets my vote...

276 mattm  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:18:21am

At least they issued a correction, which is better than the NYslimes. No offense to slime.

277 Cognito  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:18:28am

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey

Hopefully, my contributions to the pudding-count have been rare, but here's the thing; everyone contributes to the pudding-count at some time or another.

Thanks for the nice words, Buzzsawmonkey. I do feel compelled to point out, here, that the original comment about 'pudding-like' thinking has been taken out of its context and batted around quite a bit.

I wasn't talking about silly comments. I've made many, many silly comments myself. In this case I was talking about some very specific comments about the idea of dynamiting the St. Louis tower.

As for silliness: I'm all for it.

278 maddogg  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:18:39am

re: #269 Dar ul Harb

re: #268 maddogg


re: #259 musicman

That was ed of many names, blocked for treachery.


Also known as Ed of "Too Much Information" at times...

Quite. I could have done without the information on his masturbatory habits that time, after all, nobody asked.

279 medaura18586  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:18:43am

re: #262 Cognito

so why are you such a polarizing figure around here? Your teddy bear avatar sends nothing but fuzzy vibes

280 coquimbojoe  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:18:54am

re: #257 medaura18586

re: #235 coquimbojoe

Last time I checked, you proclaimed I was an AlQaeda troll, so I am delighted to see that your feelings have cooled down a bit since...

I never once said that. Silly and immature maybe, but never have I said you were remotely involved with anything more dangerous than youth and inexperience. Please do not accuse me of any such thing. You first day here was laced with diatribes and inconsistencies, but support for AQ? No. Just because you pronounce your name 'Quaeda' doesn't make you a fellow traveler. I just am not sure of the thought process behind explaining that's how your name was pronounced. Kayda would work, or K-Duh, might work well for you too.

281 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:19:00am

re: #215 maddogg

(channelling Chris Farley) KILL WHITEY!

282 Peacekeeper  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:19:31am

BIG ASSISTANT MANAGING METRO EDITOR IS RIPPING US OFF!

283 RickZ  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:20:07am

re: #263 coquimbojoe

re: #250 BakiShamil

I hope he lives long enough to see the error of his thinking and associates/friends.

"Depend upon it Sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully". ~ Samuel Johnson

Of course, the blade whistling through the wind called shari'a will be a little faster than a mere hanging. But we both can wish that recognition of the error of his thinking will not come just at the last minute.

284 gonecamping  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:20:19am

re: #15 Kenneth

No apology, but the St. Louis Post-Dispatch did run this raving moonbat editorial today:

Arsenal of secrecy


Given President George W. Bush's predilection for ignoring laws he doesn't agree with, it wouldn't be entirely surprising to discover he'd decided the 20th Amendment was no longer applicable and that he'll be staying on after next Jan.

Too Funny! Sounds like the MoonBat is slipping into the Tertiary Stage of BDS...
20.

In his seven years in office, the 43rd president has appended "signing statements" to more than 750 bills, more than all 42 of his predecessors combined. In them, Mr. Bush reserves the right to ignore or change any part of the law that he believes infringes on his own executive powers.


Oh dear. The old "Bush is not going to leave" paranoia, again.
285 loppyd  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:20:26am

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey

That is your opinion and I can respect that.

It is my opinion that Cognito has a tendency to be arrogant which is probably why people react to him/her as they do. This didn't start yesterday.

286 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:20:35am

re: #274 cookielady

re: #270 Oh no...Sand People!

You're talking to yourself.

About Spongebob.

{Oh no...Sand People!}

Those posts are in a very round about way geared to St. Cognito.

I swear Cog is Squidward.
That is a good/bad thing!

We love you COG!

287 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:20:59am

For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of moosecrimp.

288 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:21:12am
289 Cognito  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:21:30am

re: #273 song_and_dance_man

re: #262 Cognito

I've followed the back-and-forth between you guys with interest. It surprises me because I've enjoyed your posts in the past but have never, that I remember, addressed either of you...

Cognito, this is the type of thing that grains folks here against you. What is the big deal that you are questioned by those you have never addressed? It smacks of smugness.

It's not being questioned -- that doesn't bother me in the least. Heck, look how people 'question' me all the time here. It's fine.

What was surprising to me was that these guys felt "tired of being lectured" by me when I've never actually addressed either of them, that I can remember. They're free to say whatever they'd like, of course. I'm just sorry they feel that way.

290 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:22:10am

re: #274 cookielady

re: #270 Oh no...Sand People!

You're talking to yourself.

About Spongebob.

{Oh no...Sand People!}

When Spongebob gets locked in Sandys air tight house without any water, and Patrick holds up his little finger for Pinky swear, or some Shiite.

I laugh untill the grand kids ask me to leave.

291 Peacekeeper  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:22:52am

Cognito you hitshead.

292 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:23:02am

re: #288 MandyManners

Spongebob!

BWAAAAHAAAHAAAA!

I never saw that coming!

293 yochanan  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:23:22am

re: #238 Desert Dog

re: #197 Dar ul Harb

too bad his evil dispatches aren't coming from hell

GENERAL W.T. SHERMAN

294 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:24:22am

re: #290 ibmkeyboard

re: #274 cookielady

re: #270 Oh no...Sand People!

You're talking to yourself.

About Spongebob.

{Oh no...Sand People!}

When Spongebob gets locked in Sandys air tight house without any water, and Patrick holds up his little finger for Pinky swear, or some Shiite.

I laugh untill the grand kids ask me to leave.

"PINNNKY! PINNNNKY!"

The whole 1st season just kills me!

'Opposite Day' is one of my favorites.

295 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:24:34am

re: #275 Desert Dog

re: #270 Oh no...Sand People!

Anything with Mrs. Puff and/or Plankton in it gets my vote...

My favorite line from thw whole show comes from Mrs. Puff:

"...I'll move to a new town, start a new boating school under a new name. No. Not again"
296 mean Gene  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:24:36am

re: #284 gonecamping

re: #15 Kenneth

No apology, but the St. Louis Post-Dispatch did run this raving moonbat editorial today:

Arsenal of secrecy


Given President George W. Bush's predilection for ignoring laws he doesn't agree with, it wouldn't be entirely surprising to discover he'd decided the 20th Amendment was no longer applicable and that he'll be staying on after next Jan. Too Funny! Sounds like the MoonBat is slipping into the Tertiary Stage of BDS...
20.

In his seven years in office, the 43rd president has appended "signing statements" to more than 750 bills, more than all 42 of his predecessors combined. In them, Mr. Bush reserves the right to ignore or change any part of the law that he believes infringes on his own executive powers.


Oh dear. The old "Bush is not going to leave" paranoia, again.

What?
Don't they even listen to our president?
Only the other day he was waxing lyrical about his anticipation of getting back to his ranch, finally full time.
Oh, I forgot, lefty media refuse to watch Fox News.

297 itellu3times  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:25:13am

re: #46 zombie

The corporation that owns the San Jose Mercury-News, the Contra Costa Times, the Oakland Tribune and dozens of other California newspapers just announced that are "offering buyouts" to ALL of their employees - ahead of a planned massive layoff next month.

They may shed as much as 50% of their entire newsroom staffs.

Yikers. You know who leaves with offers like that, are typically the few good ones.

298 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:25:22am
299 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:25:26am

re: #282 Peacekeeper

BIG ASSISTANT MANAGING METRO EDITOR IS RIPPING US OFF!

/back on thread

Charles is so well read, that CAIR and others have decided to try and pull him down.

Good luck with that

/A-holes!

300 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:25:31am

re: #295 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #275 Desert Dog

re: #270 Oh no...Sand People!

Anything with Mrs. Puff and/or Plankton in it gets my vote...

My favorite line from thw whole show comes from Mrs. Puff:

"...I'll move to a new town, start a new boating school under a new name. No. Not again"

LOL!

301 Aristogiton  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:25:35am

I come from a family of journalists that goes back generations. Journalists, especially newspaper writers, think of themselves as advocates for ordinary folks, and that's the source of their incredible arrogance. They think they're defending Everyman against big business and corruption and crooks in high places. They'll admit to small errors, but as they see it, the agenda can never be wrong.

Issues of interpretation and objectivity they pretty much duck, and because they do, they don't have to be responsible for what they write. They still believe that if you write something a certain way, it's the plain truth, and if you photograph or film something a certain way, it's what really happened. For a good idea of the fake objective style in action, read Hemingway's essay collection, "A Moveable Feast". For the model in fake photography, study the Depression photographs of the 1930's.

Now this myth is dying. It was already giving itself over to junk entertainment news by the early 1980's, but it holds on to the myth, and as it encounters rivals to their lock on information and doubts about their credibility, all they can think to do is ramp it up and somehow reclaim their rightful place in the culture as the Fourth Estate.

302 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:26:29am

Yesterday afternoon, I sent the following to Tim Townsend. I have not received a reply. He could have been, and still be, out of the office.

However, he could be in a foxhole, or might have detected the trap.

(Subject) reader requesting assistance on "Mosque threatened ..." article

Mr. Townsend,

"Mosque threatened, Muslim group says" is a fascinating article.

I've been trying to find out more, but am having a problem. Can you help?

After finding the Little Green Footballs web site, I used its search engine to find the post which said "suppose dynamite would be considered an extreme response".

I can't find it in a post ... only in a comment. Can you supply me with a link to the post itself?

[my name and e-mail address]

303 Cognito  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:27:22am

re: #279 medaura18586

re: #262 Cognito

so why are you such a polarizing figure around here? Your teddy bear avatar sends nothing but fuzzy vibes

It's a weapons-grade teddy bear.

304 coquimbojoe  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:27:32am

re: #301 Aristogiton

Wow, a member for four years, and only 12 posts? Don't be shy! (Or have a life outside of LGF).

305 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:27:42am

Bye all, must spend some Zionist Paycheck money.

306 Silhouette  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:28:10am

I'm just curious, given the past scares like "Silent Spring", "The Population Bomb", we're going to steal Kuwait's oil, we're going to steal Iraq's oil, we're going to build an empire, etc., and now with the predictions that Bush won't leave office, I just have to ask,

Has the left ever predicted anything that actually happened? Surely they've been slightly correct once.

307 BulgarWheat  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:28:34am

re: #289 Cognito

Don't sweat it Cognito. Just an observation on my part.

308 Wishbone  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:28:40am
".......typically a sight like LGF is not populated by folks that like being told how to behave or think."

Well, coming from an objective viewpoint, wouldn't that also suggest that Cognito deserve just as much recognition of his non-conformity?

If his viewpoint differs, then so what? If any should feel strongly enough about it, they're always free to argue their own stance.

I've watched Cognito for some time now, one one thread or another, completely throw a spanner in the works with a single comment. Whether I've agreed with him or not, at least he's given a view from a different perspective.

Now I've never before noticed Cognito even attempting to tell people how they should behave or think, but it seems he's being expected to conform to some manner of norm or risk being, basically, verbally abused.

And if you can't agree....... or find some common ground....... Agree to disagree.

309 coquimbojoe  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:30:22am

re: #308 Wishbone

But we like the fighting. Don't we?

310 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:30:53am

re: #306 Silhouette

Has the left ever predicted anything that actually happened? Surely they've been slightly correct once.

Change.

311 Josephine  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:31:14am

re: #27 Cognito

I disagree with you. I would have expected an apology regarding the reporter's rudeness toward a member of the public.

The issue now, for me, is CAIR's attempt to stifle Freedom of Speech.

It would be great if a rival newspaper in St. Louis would interview Charles Johnson about this incident and focus on the threat to freedom of speech and possibly also some media's willingness to swallow whole what any "Muslim representative" tells it.

312 Wishbone  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:32:48am

re: #309 coquimbojoe

Well, yeah!.......... I haven't eaten so much popcorn in my life as I have since the Israel / Hiz'b'allah kick off the summer before last :-)

313 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:33:06am
314 rappmandu  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:33:44am

This was not an apology, except for CAIR.
This was not a correction, as Mr. Goodman merely reified the writer's and paper's decision to shirk due diligence and fact-checking in pursuit of CAIR's request to run a hit-piece founded on cherry-picking.

"let me inform you" is code for "listen here, you"

"Due to an editing error" is code for "we intentional chose to make the mistake of"

"For any possible confusion...I apologize" is code for "I'm sorry people like you are able to see through what I'm purporting to do, and I sure hope you're not sufficiently connected to get me fired over this"

"For what it's worth" is code for "I mean the following to be mistaken for sincerity and not insulting your intelligence"

"Outside the above, however" is code for "BUT let me tell you, mister, that I'm not sorry and don't apologize for dissembling and ignoring your actual complaint and my misdeeds which precipitated it."

"Thanks for your time" is code for "Stop wasting my time and don't contact me again"

315 deacon  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:33:49am
Outside of the above, however, I believe that Tim’s article was absolutely responsible and accurate and in no way was a “smear job,” as you have characterized it. In fact, Tim made no characterization whatsoever about your site other than saying it is where some of these comments appeared and that your blog had linked to the local ”Gateway Pundit” blog here.
That is also the reason that he did not feel compelled to get a response from you for this particular story. At issue here were the comments in question, not your blog posting. No one in the article was criticizing or questioning you or your blog or holding you responsible for those comments.

How was it not a smear job when they publish a letter from one organization without verifying it with the target? They can say they were not critizing your blog post, but when the article, through their mistake labeled it as a blog post instead of a comment then that makes it a critizism of your blog which by their own definition would have compelled them to get your side of the story. Which seems to imply that it was a smear job. And of course their reporter did such a fine job of explaining all this in such a mature manner.

316 maddogg  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:36:29am

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey

Tell you what Buzz, I respect your observation, therefore I humbly apologize to Cognito for my #120, which was a result of a less than optimum mood, and uncalled for.

As for the rest of the "preachers", did you say something?

317 Cognito  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:37:08am

re: #311 Josephine

re: #27 Cognito

I disagree with you. I would have expected an apology regarding the reporter's rudeness toward a member of the public.

The issue now, for me, is CAIR's attempt to stifle Freedom of Speech.

It would be great if a rival newspaper in St. Louis would interview Charles Johnson about this incident and focus on the threat to freedom of speech and possibly also some media's willingness to swallow whole what any "Muslim representative" tells it.

I agree with that principle. I'm big on free speech. In this particular instance, though, the cited comments were outside the bounds of free speech. I mean that literally -- incitement to violence (dynamite, to be specific) is not protected speech.

318 ButtTroll  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:37:44am

Hello Mr Goodman my name is [censored lol] im a resident of TN and a frequent visitor and sometimes poster to the blog Little Green Footballs. I am writing to you to express my concern about a article one of your employes wrote about the threats from some posters on this site about the prayer tower. The thing that worries me isn't that the FBI will find Mr Johnson or the blog responsible for these comments so much as the attitude of the man who wrote the story Mr Townsend.

I am not a eloquent speaker or writer sir but as a member of the public i always expect more of those who report the news mr townsends actions and words to Mr Charles are both childish and quit rude. Also the article while not naming either the Author of the blog or the posters as racist or violent still cast that image over the blog the author and those who post there. Sir all that we would ask for is a apology to Mr Charles for his treatment by Mr Townsend.

CAIR has many links to both Islamic terrorism in the middleast and around the world while i will never say all members of Islam are terrorist or terrorist supporters or indeed that all members of CAIR are or have knowledge of these activities CAIR and many of its members are however responsible and knowledgable of these acts and as such are enemies of myself and this country.

Sir i find the burning of any church of any faith or the destruction of property of any group based on religion or race disturbing and unjust. But Mr townsend through his peice has insulted both Mr Charles and the thousands of ppl who go to LGF daily. Mr Goodman i also fear what type of publicity this may give the ppl of 4666 Lansdowne Avenue. Do you realy think they want a big hubbub over this because these things can have a tendency to spin out of control

thought id send something to try to help LOL probbly wont even get read but ya never know anyways good luck. Hope it helps

319 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:37:48am

re: #316 maddogg


KILL WHITEY!

320 Wishbone  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:38:41am

re: #313 buzzsawmonkey

Hehehe...... Buzz, Cognito does have an unerring talent for dropping a coldly objective view right into the middle of a heated subject. Sometimes people seem so wound up in the first instance that the shock of it seems to send their blood pressure through the roof.

It's about that time he gets told to, basically, piss off :-)

321 Johnny 100 Pesos  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:39:05am

This might be a good time to trot out the greatest newspaper apology of all time:

The Ottawa Citizen and Southam News wish to apologize for our apology to Mark Steyn, published Oct. 22. In correcting the incorrect statements about Mr. Steyn published Oct. 15, we incorrectly published the incorrect correction. We accept and regret that our original regrets were unacceptable and we apologize to Mr. Steyn for any distress caused by our previous apology.

322 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:39:13am
323 Cognito  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:39:30am

re: #313 buzzsawmonkey

The bit about being smug does bother me, really. Sometimes I look over some of my posts and think, "Hmm. That's a little high-toned. Goober."

324 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:39:54am
325 Dov (In the Astrodome City) Republic of Texas  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:40:19am

# 249

Are you referring to Ed Abu Mahmoud ala Cahool ?

326 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:40:45am
327 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:40:59am
328 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:40:59am

re: #322 buzzsawmonkey


Who knows. All I know is that I could really use some peanut butter cups.

329 Dov (In the Astrodome City) Republic of Texas  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:42:18am

Self

Correction 259 not 249

330 opnion  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:42:53am

The arrogance tells me that they did not get the memo that their medium is fading.

331 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:43:10am

re: #323 Cognito

We're all goffy goobers.

332 paxnhymn  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:43:17am

re: #320 Wishbone
He does have an uncanny knack for pouring salt in a freshly created wound, doesn't he? LOL! He's even made my blood boils a few times, but no harm, no foul. Everybody's gotta be good at something....:-D

333 Josephine  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:43:18am

re: #78 tommygum

I did the same thing with the Toronto Star.

334 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:45:07am
335 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:47:31am
336 Cognito  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:48:10am

re: #334 ploome hineni

When I say 'we,' Ploome, I just mean 'people on our side.'

There's nothing nefarious about it. And yes, my opinions are all my own, and easily dismissed or ignored.

337 gonecamping  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:48:44am

re: #119 debutaunt

re: #92 rappmandu


Not the editor, not the managing editor, but the assistant managing editor. A dam Good man, though, I presume.

A cool one-day promotion that will look so good on his resume.

Assistant Managing Editor= he who empties trash cans around office.

338 Colin Nelson  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:50:08am

#308 Wishbone

Excuse me Wishbone, did you actually read what you wrote in defense of Cognito,

"I've watched Cognito for some time now, one one thread or another, completely throw a spanner in the works with a single comment."

If you did read it yet still managed to write your post, it may be you have missed the point.

339 TalkinKamel  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:50:20am

Yes, yet another thread about an important topic turns into an "It's all about Cognito" thread, and is he or is he not condescending (yes, he is condescending), and what did he really say, and what does he really mean? (He never says what he means. His purpose here is to hijack threads.)

Ignore Cognito. And Cogs, as has been pointed out before, if you don't like it here then go away.

340 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:52:40am

re: #318 ButtTroll
There is an address in your post. You may wish to have Charles delete it and repost your letter without the address.

341 rappmandu  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:52:40am

re: #334 ploome hineni

Hey, process observers observing a "fish bowl" exercise are not supposed to be process observed (especially by those in the fish bowl)!

/Compulsive contrarian OFF

342 Wishbone  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:52:58am

re: #334 ploome hineni

Ploome, the Consensus view of most threads is set within the first twenty or thirty posts, the tone is set by the flow of discussion within the thread. Cognito would have to be a force of nature indeed to alter that. If he bucks the consensus view, again.....So what?

Agree with him or not. It's your choice; but I hardly think it's likely that he will change his view just so some people will stop calling him names.

343 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:53:50am
344 ButtTroll  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:53:58am

re: #341 rappmandu


hell i dont care if ppls know i live in TN heck im proud of it!

345 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:55:07am
346 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:55:20am
347 BabbaZee  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:55:34am

Awwwww I miss everything!

So, Cognito is now officially the poor mans Nodrog?

How sad.

348 bakishamil  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:55:36am

Charles....DELETED Post

Why did you delete my post # 250
I said nothing wrong in my post # 250

349 Wishbone  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:55:38am

re: #338 Colin Nelson

I'm sorry....... What exactly is your point?

350 Cognito  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:55:57am

re: #343 ploome hineni

re: #336 Cognito

lol

see you do it again

until you have been elected and have identified "people on our side" on side of what? I see you on the left side, not on any 'our' side

you are annoying and rediculous

I only mean people who hold to the general premise of the blog: Pointing out the threat from radical Islam.

351 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:56:30am

re: #344 ButtTroll
I think you meant that comment for me. Your post is fine, it's just that the Townsend address appears there & Charles doesn't like us to put addresses here.

Hey, my grandparents were from Tennessee. I love it.

352 TalkinKamel  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:56:50am

#311 Josephine

Yes, the issue here is CAIR'S efforts to stifle freedom of speech. (If you want a good example of real hate speech by the way, check out today's Jihad Watch, where Spencer prints some of the "love letters" he's received of late. And, as far as I know, nobody demands the FBI investigate this stuff, though it sounds a lot more threatening than anything on LGF. And no MSM reporters appear to be looking into it.)

If it wasn't LGF, it would have been some other blog---just a hunch, but I suspect CAIR is eager, for whatever reason, to start going after the blogs, and they seem eager to pick a fight over this new mosque, for whatever reason. The issue is freedom of speech, and the way the MSM is, seemingly, supporting CAIR in its quest to stifle any and all criticism of Islam.

As for Cogsworth, it's pretty obvious he's here to derail any and all criticism of the MSM. . .

353 xtraBilly  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:56:56am

Cognito's responses are so measured in comparison to some of our rants that they may just seem condescending.

354 bakishamil  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:57:13am

Charles...DELETED POST

Why did you delete my post....I did not say anything wrong

re: #283 RickZ

re: #283 RickZ

re: #263 coquimbojoe


re: #250 BakiShamil

I hope he lives long enough to see the error of his thinking and associates/friends.


"Depend upon it Sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully". ~ Samuel Johnson

Of course, the blade whistling through the wind called shari'a will be a little faster than a mere hanging. But we both can wish that recognition of the error of his thinking will not come just at the last minute.

355 ButtTroll  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:58:12am

re: #345 buzzsawmonkey

Al Gore not from here dont know who your talkin aboot!........

Hmmm maybe we could get him resrained in california OHOHOIH Berkly!

356 Colin Nelson  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:58:51am

or, maybe I didn't, but #320 seems a volte face

agent prov

357 Josephine  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:58:57am

re: #177 cosmo

I don't know but that might be considered libelous.

358 zmdavid  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:59:09am

I look at Cognito is a defense lawyer for the MSM. When the MSM isn't the topic, his posts here are usually non-controversial. Like his comparison of Barack Obama and Bob the Builder.

359 maddogg  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 10:59:51am

re: #345 buzzsawmonkey

re: #344 ButtTroll


re: #341 rappmandu

hell i dont care if ppls know i live in TN heck im proud of it!


What would it take for you Tennesseeans to agree to confine Al Gore to stay within the borders of the state?

That is an unfair request. I live in Arkansas, and I don't want Bill or Hillary back!

360 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:00:01am
361 nikis-knight  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:00:05am

re: #306 Silhouette

I'm just curious, given the past scares like "Silent Spring", "The Population Bomb", we're going to steal Kuwait's oil, we're going to steal Iraq's oil, we're going to build an empire, etc., and now with the predictions that Bush won't leave office, I just have to ask,

Has the left ever predicted anything that actually happened? Surely they've been slightly correct once.

No, I don't think so. Afghan winter staving millions in the wake of US invasion, impending ice age, etc. etc.

362 TalkinKamel  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:00:11am

#342 Wishbone

And, by the same token, there is no need for any of the other LGF posters to change their views, just because Cogs insults them, and is condescending to them; far as I'm concerned, there's no reason to even take him seriously.

363 slokat  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:00:42am

re: #343 ploome hineni

I just figured that someone turned his dial on "dissonance" this morning...

/

364 ButtTroll  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:00:44am

re: #351 Pvt Bin Jammin

oh ok my bad didnt realize it though it only took me 1min to find

and yes this is the mosy beasutiful state in the union though ive never been out of the south except to iowa.......its realy flat btw........

365 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:02:56am
366 maddogg  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:04:13am

re: #365 buzzsawmonkey
She'd miss her Yankees too much, don't you know (or is it the Mets this week)?

367 Wishbone  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:04:29am

re: #346 ploome hineni

Yes but Ploome, with all due respect, you're all too happy to categorise me in that same derogatory manner as you do Cognito.

I've disagreed with you often Ploome and have always maintained my viewpoint throughout. While I respect your right to disagree with me, I would never dismiss your intelligence such that your disagreement puts you in such a category as "Never gets the point."

Your problem, Ploome, is that it's never about the point. It's more about unconditionally accepting your point.

You'll of course excuse me if I don't.

368 Jfundie  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:05:32am

re: #27 Cognito

Charles,

I love your blog and I'm here all the time. So I say this with respect and affection:

You gotta get over this.

This editor sent you a nice note, and plans to run a correction about the element in their story that was wrong: That the dastardly text was "comments" not "posts."

The editor sent you a grownup note, in contrast to Townsend's exchange, and when you hold it up very publicly and complain about what are, frankly, niggling details, it makes you appear impossible to please and -- just being honest -- a bit outclassed by the editor.

The crux of the matter is this: People here made some outrageous, and likely illegal, comments. It's not CAIR. Not the newspaper reporter. Not his editor. It's those comments. You deleted them as quickly as you could, but it was too late, and the predatory CAIR seized on them. It's no one's fault but the commentators themselves.

What you don't understand, is that a story about comments made on a blog (which were deleted minutes later) has no journalistic value to it whatsoever.

There are literally millions of hateful and inciteful comments on Youtube, no serious news source has ever even considered to make a story about these comments (and of course not to smear Youtube as a hate site while at it).

369 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:05:41am

re: #364 ButtTroll
Beautiful, indeed. My family was from the Lebanon area of Tennessee.

370 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:06:41am

re: #306 Silhouette

I'm just curious, given the past scares like "Silent Spring", "The Population Bomb", we're going to steal Kuwait's oil, we're going to steal Iraq's oil, we're going to build an empire, etc., and now with the predictions that Bush won't leave office, I just have to ask,

Has the left ever predicted anything that actually happened? Surely they've been slightly correct once.

Well, they predicted Global Warming Climate Change didn't they?

371 ButtTroll  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:08:24am

just because Cogs insults them...

insults me......WHO DARES INSULT THE Buttroll i shall pwn you!

372 BabbaZee  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:09:10am

hmmmmmm

Cognito needs a theme

[thinking, thinking]


BLINK!

373 opnion  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:09:59am

Ya know there is a back story here.
CAIR takes LGF very seriously.
They cannot seem to handle the light of truth on them.
We are gettong to em.

374 coquimbojoe  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:10:01am

re: #348 bakishamil

Charles....DELETED Post

Why did you delete my post # 250
I said nothing wrong in my post # 250

Dude. You wished for his death. Death is not a fitting outcome because of his idiocy. Enlightenment would be. Having to live with yourself after behaving like a tool and shill for people like CAIR might be punishment enough.

We celebrate life here at LGF. Not in a pro/anti choice way, but in a live and let live way. Taking life is frowned upon generally (unless you are a guy who wounded six cops and then got shived in prison. Some might smile for cosmic justice).

Deletions Happen.

375 coquimbojoe  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:10:58am

re: #372 BabbaZee

Thanks for all the video links they have entertained me more than you know.

376 BabbaZee  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:14:13am
377 Jfundie  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:14:58am

re: #374 coquimbojoe

re: #348 bakishamil

We celebrate life here at LGF. Not in a pro/anti choice way, but in a live and let live way. Taking life is frowned upon generally

Deletions Happen.

So you have no problem if he chooses to take a life, but you have a problem with taking of the live for itself?

That's what i call cognitive dissonance.

378 Wishbone  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:15:22am

re: #362 TalkinKamel

Fair point TK, and it neatly illustrates that respect for each others views are a two way street. When a view differs, it should hold as much weight as a conformist view, based on it's content. As, I think, Buzz points out above, there's also no use trying to read emotion into comments 'cos there is none. I've had people telling me to 'calm down, you're going to bust a blood vessel there buddy!' and blinked in momentary wonder as to how they managed to read that into my post, so it's best not to be too bothered reading into something that which is probably (disclaimer) not there.

379 Aristogiton  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:15:55am

re: #304 coquimbojoe

Wow, a member for four years, and only 12 posts? Don't be shy! (Or have a life outside of LGF).

Thank-you.

I don't comment much because I'm not very good at it, and I don't think the commentariat really needs me.

And yeah, time's a devil. I manage it pretty badly.

380 medaura18586  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:16:26am

re: #280 coquimbojoe

re: #257 medaura18586

re: #235 coquimbojoe

Last time I checked, you proclaimed I was an AlQaeda troll, so I am delighted to see that your feelings have cooled down a bit since...

I never once said that. Silly and immature maybe, but never have I said you were remotely involved with anything more dangerous than youth and inexperience. Please do not accuse me of any such thing. You first day here was laced with diatribes and inconsistencies, but support for AQ? No. Just because you pronounce your name 'Quaeda' doesn't make you a fellow traveler. I just am not sure of the thought process behind explaining that's how your name was pronounced. Kayda would work, or K-Duh, might work well for you too.

Really? Interesting, I didn’t get that memo...

coquimbojoe 12/13/07 6:55:24 am reply quote report -1
I had a feeling when Medaura joined she was trollish. Read her website, she proudly states her name (Kejda or some such) is pronounced Kayda 'like al-Queda'.

By the way, I doubt you have any clue what I said on my first day here. Your self-important calendar of my existence starts the day you were bothered by my insolent presence, but I have been around quite a bit longer.

coquimbojoe 2/20/08 9:10:16 am reply quote report 0


Nice work. Medaura is an Albanian by the way. Her first day here she was spraying crap everywhere and I pegged her for a troll. She is far to impressed with her incomplete education and limited experience. Her inconsistency made me wonder. It got to the point where she was just throwing ad hominem attacks at me. I am not sure she is a troll, but if you see her early posts they were far to wordy and trying to get her bona fides out there.

You accuse me of being rude, ignorant to you, too verbose, too inconsistent, blah blah, over what? Oh that faithful day I expressed my incorrigibly verbose and internally inconsistent arrogant opinion that Romney is a panderer to the religious right, and pushed who knows what kind of reflexive buttons on you.

Ad hominem attacks? I doubt this reality check will reign in your persecution complex, but here it is just in case.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Something pushed your buttons and most times I do any ego surfing on LGF, you are second-handedly smearing me in all sorts of threads. There is something unbalanced about that, and whatever you think I did, given your unlimited education and experience, you ought to be able to get over it...

I don't mean to stir shit either, and I am even willing to forget about all the offensive droplets from your end,... but you need to stop your silliness...

381 slokat  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:17:07am

Bush branded 'cowboy of space'...

via lileks

382 BabbaZee  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:18:41am

re: #378 Wishbone

I've had people telling me to 'calm down, you're going to bust a blood vessel there buddy!' and blinked in momentary wonder as to how they managed to read that into my post

LOL...... yea me too.

You know how you can tell if I am really pissed?
I cease speaking altogether.

Have a good day, loonie Lizardia

WLGF out

383 Wishbone  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:20:56am

re: #375 coquimbojoe

She's an absolute wealth of them, isn't she?

I speculate that the bookmark folder in her browser is going to undergo a gravitational collapse any day now :-)


or explode into L Space

384 RickZ  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:20:58am

re: #374 coquimbojoe

re: #348 bakishamil


Charles....DELETED Post

Why did you delete my post # 250
I said nothing wrong in my post # 250


Dude. You wished for his death.

Thanks for explaining why I was quoted in that whiny 'why was I deleted?' post. Appreciate it.

Death is not a fitting outcome because of his idiocy. Enlightenment would be. Having to live with yourself after behaving like a tool and shill for people like CAIR might be punishment enough.

People so easily forget what happened to those who collaborated in WWII. Norway even hung a traitor whose name now means traitor in the dictionary. We have gone all squishy, well, at least some of us have. Not you, mind you. But yes, one must hope for the liberal mindset to crack and allow for more rigorous thought. Just look at Evan Sayat, for example.

385 Silhouette  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:26:35am

re: #381 slokat

Bush branded 'cowboy of space'...

via lileks

It's the "assigned motivation" smear. If there is nothing particularly bad about an act, or worse, if the act itself is good, the only thing left is to assign an evil motivation.

"Sure, he saved that kitten. He did it for the fame and glory. Evil bastard."

386 medaura18586  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:29:07am

ploome hineni,

I am consciously trying to refrain from transgressing my standard of internet civility as I address you.

I read your ugly and misleading pile-on from yesterday

..and yesterday another morally vacant sock puppet, planted propagandist, posted one post after another using different nicsCharles, did you see?
this poster sound like a 20 yr old undergrad?

Charles did you see? Charles did you see?

Keep screeching in your deluded eco chamber. That nic was my fiancee's, and we share the same computer. His avatar pic matches my blog, for you and your paranoid freak-pals to double-check.

this poster sound like a 20 yr old undergrad?

Hilarious, because you admittedly checked out and quoted my blog, so you knew that I openly say I am a 20 yr old undergrad. Kind of viciously circular... Will you too focus on my limited education and experience? I guess there are more interesting insights to be derived from my "moral vacancy"

I am surprised you are even brining attention to the Kosovo independence thread, because you sounded like the world's biggest bigot... proud of it, it seems

387 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:29:37am
388 Josephine  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:30:57am

re: #317 Cognito

Yes, you are right about those types of comments.

To what extent can a blog owner be held responsible for unmoderated, anonymous comments on his blog, especially when he can demonstrate that such comments were deleted as soon as possible?

389 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:32:19am
390 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:33:27am
391 Josephine  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:37:45am

re: #352 TalkinKamel

Thank you. I agree. CAIR et al. are against free speech and the internet is the Wild West of free speech.

I haven't checked Jihad Watch since early this morning; I'll visit there next.

392 Wishbone  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:39:46am

re: #387 ploome hineni

you have only impressed me as being an apologist for the dhimmification of Britian, the utter helplessness of the British people, and denying the historical animus of British society towards Jews

Wrong on all three counts, Ploome. Feel free to provide evidence of such, though you won't find it. You can over dramatise your grievances towards me any way you like Ploome. It won't change my views or the manner in which I formulate them.

393 coquimbojoe  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:41:50am

re: #377 Jfundie

re: #374 coquimbojoe

re: #348 bakishamil

We celebrate life here at LGF. Not in a pro/anti choice way, but in a live and let live way. Taking life is frowned upon generally

Deletions Happen.

So you have no problem if he chooses to take a life, but you have a problem with taking of the live for itself?

That's what i call cognitive dissonance.

Um, no, I have a problem with anyone promoting taking life or thinking that is a just reward for stupidity.

394 Wishbone  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:44:31am

re: #389 ploome hineni

I don't have any sense of entitlement at all to you respecting my views Ploome. But if you're going to comment on others views, and expect your own to hold any weight, you have to be prepared to respect that view while disagreeing with it.

395 slokat  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:46:22am

re: #385 Silhouette

Actually, I like the term "cowboy of space" and think that he should have it added to his business cards.

Space Cowboy

396 Charles  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:48:11am

re: #354 bakishamil

Charles...DELETED POST

Why did you delete my post....I did not say anything wrong

Yes, your post was deleted, for the reason other people have already told you. If you want to post that kind of opinion, you're welcome to do it -- by starting your own blog.

397 coquimbojoe  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:50:21am

re: #380 medaura18586

re: #280 coquimbojoe

re: #257 medaura18586

re: #235 coquimbojoe

Last time I checked, you proclaimed I was an AlQaeda troll, so I am delighted to see that your feelings have cooled down a bit since...

I never once said that. Silly and immature maybe, but never have I said you were remotely involved with anything more dangerous than youth and inexperience. Please do not accuse me of any such thing. You first day here was laced with diatribes and inconsistencies, but support for AQ? No. Just because you pronounce your name 'Quaeda' doesn't make you a fellow traveler. I just am not sure of the thought process behind explaining that's how your name was pronounced. Kayda would work, or K-Duh, might work well for you too.

Really? Interesting, I didn’t get that memo...

coquimbojoe 12/13/07 6:55:24 am reply quote report -1
I had a feeling when Medaura joined she was trollish. Read her website, she proudly states her name (Kejda or some such) is pronounced Kayda 'like al-Queda'.


By the way, I doubt you have any clue what I said on my first day here. Your self-important calendar of my existence starts the day you were bothered by my insolent presence, but I have been around quite a bit longer.

coquimbojoe 2/20/08 9:10:16 am reply quote report 0



Nice work. Medaura is an Albanian by the way. Her first day here she was spraying crap everywhere and I pegged her for a troll. She is far to impressed with her incomplete education and limited experience. Her inconsistency made me wonder. It got to the point where she was just throwing ad hominem attacks at me. I am not sure she is a troll, but if you see her early posts they were far to wordy and trying to get her bona fides out there.

You accuse me of being rude, ignorant to you, too verbose, too inconsistent, blah blah, over what? Oh that faithful day I expressed my incorrigibly verbose and internally inconsistent arrogant opinion that Romney is a panderer to the religious right, and pushed who knows what kind of reflexive buttons on you.

Ad hominem attacks? I doubt this reality check will reign in your persecution complex, but here it is just in case.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Something pushed your buttons and most times I do any ego surfing on LGF, you are second-handedly smearing me in all sorts of threads. There is something unbalanced about that, and whatever you think I did, given your unlimited education and experience, you ought to be able to get over it...

I don't mean to stir shit either, and I am even willing to forget about all the offensive droplets from your end,... but you need to stop your silliness...

Please child, you prove my points by quoting my posts. Your constant asininity is what pushes buttons. You double standard for others. I have debated you here on this thread and the one when you signed up. Pointing out you are Albanian lends some context as to your posts about the Albanian Kosovars - for good or bad. You are the one who chooses to give a pronunciation guide for your name by using the most horrific groups of killers in recent memory. I don't think that is a sign of someone who is entirely anti-al Quaeda. Your choice to label yourself that way not mine.

398 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 11:59:41am

re: #297 itellu3times

re: #46 zombie


The corporation that owns the San Jose Mercury-News, the Contra Costa Times, the Oakland Tribune and dozens of other California newspapers just announced that are "offering buyouts" to ALL of their employees - ahead of a planned massive layoff next month.

They may shed as much as 50% of their entire newsroom staffs.


Yikers. You know who leaves with offers like that, are typically the few good ones.

Will the San Jose Murky News be even worse now?

399 medaura18586  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 12:02:58pm

re: #397 coquimbojoe

Sure thing... You'll find many other things to read into, aside from the al-Quaeda thing. I agree that it is a tasteless reference, certainly not needed, but your extrapolations are off the wall. I take offence at you implying that I cannot be entirely anti-al Qaeda because of that. And it is you who are flip-flopping on the issue again.

I never once said that. Silly and immature maybe, but never have I said you were remotely involved with anything more dangerous than youth and inexperience. Please do not accuse me of any such thing. You first day here was laced with diatribes and inconsistencies, but support for AQ? No

Or are we now talking about various degrees of support, conscious, subconscious... what is it? I will not take that off my blog, because only a deliberately malicious reader would draw the kind of inference you did, especially given the context of everything I actually write on my blog.

Oh and by the way, I made it clear up front that I was Albanian when I discussed the Kosovo issue, so don't think you exposed me, or whatever...

Constant asininity? Double standards for others? Wow, you have a long but twisted memory, if you are referring to that idiotic argument that because I myself have admitted to having made mistakes and changed my mind on issues as a teenager, I have no right to accuse Romney as a flip-flopper?

Are you kidding me? Still latching on to that? I don't know of a single person who has never changed their mind about something in life, so that would make the term flip-flopper inherently hypocritical, right? Are these the double standards you are referring to? That's numb,.. I suppose you are trying to go down in history as the first person who never changed his mind on anything. Because you refuse to see any sense in anything I say, and are pathologically stuck up on your first impulsive reaction to me.

I offered you a blank state, keep spewing shit on me... doesn't bother me one bit, and I have nothing to prove to you, bona fide or otherwise...

400 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 12:05:19pm

re: #306 Silhouette

I'll bet that you've got some kind of attitude about global warming and/or change, as well, missy!

401 BakiShamil  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 12:11:27pm

I never wished for his death or any harm....I can’t believe this nonsense. I guess I cant express my point of view here anymore or like Charles suggested to start my own blog...Thank you, Chox Salum


re: #384 RickZ

re: #374 coquimbojoe


re: #348 bakishamil

Charles....DELETED Post
Why did you delete my post # 250
I said nothing wrong in my post # 250

Dude. You wished for his death.

Thanks for explaining why I was quoted in that whiny 'why was I deleted?' post. Appreciate it.

Death is not a fitting outcome because of his idiocy. Enlightenment would be. Having to live with yourself after behaving like a tool and shill for people like CAIR might be punishment enough.

People so easily forget what happened to those who collaborated in WWII. Norway even hung a traitor whose name now means traitor in the dictionary. We have gone all squishy, well, at least some of us have. Not you, mind you. But yes, one must hope for the liberal mindset to crack and allow for more rigorous thought. Just look at Evan Sayat, for example.
402 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 12:12:24pm

re: #321 Johnny 100 Pesos

This might be a good time to trot out the greatest newspaper apology of all time:


The Ottawa Citizen and Southam News wish to apologize for our apology to Mark Steyn, published Oct. 22. In correcting the incorrect statements about Mr. Steyn published Oct. 15, we incorrectly published the incorrect correction. We accept and regret that our original regrets were unacceptable and we apologize to Mr. Steyn for any distress caused by our previous apology.

They must have a special section of their newspaper called "Acrobatic apologies".

403 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 12:14:25pm
404 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 12:25:58pm
405 Uncle Joe  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 12:26:53pm

re: #46 zombie

The corporation that owns the San Jose Mercury-News, the Contra Costa Times, the Oakland Tribune and dozens of other California newspapers just announced that are "offering buyouts" to ALL of their employees - ahead of a planned massive layoff next month.

They may shed as much as 50% of their entire newsroom staffs.

Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha! Woot! Since the media ignores these types of issues concerning their own industry, this minimally reported factoid represents one of the few bits of satisfaction I can get out of the media mess.

Townsend's puerile arrogance should be unacceptable even to people who agree with him but it's standard operating procedure for the liberal left.

Excellent post, zombie. Thank you.

406 Charles  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 12:32:01pm

re: #401 BakiShamil

I never wished for his death or any harm....I can’t believe this nonsense. I guess I cant express my point of view here anymore or like Charles suggested to start my own blog...Thank you, Chox Salum

Yes, you did. I have the post but I'm not going to quote it here. It's your choice whether you want to be more reasonable with your comments, or find somewhere else to post.

407 AMER1CAN  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 12:42:54pm

re: #162 Kenneth
Sorry I missed this thread...

I actually laughed at your post. Thanks, I needed that.

I've tried to clear up my comment as best as possible and have apologized publicly for it to Charles and the Lizard community for letting everyone down.

I don't think a quote from a movie that I put in my profile makes me a freak.

Certainly I have posted some odd ball kinda things and I'm not a wordsmith by any means and I am guilty on occasion for posting a comment that gets misinterpreted. If anything, I need to channel my energy into a more mature point of view so that I can battle others more fiercely in the war of ideas and not be taken for an dope like what has happened.

408 TalkinKamel  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 12:44:07pm

Wishbone

Sorry, but if a post sounds emotional, people will take it emotionally. Words do mean something, after all.

And I'm not going to respect anybody's point of view, if I don't think it's worthy of respect.

#388 Josephine

Yes, do check out Jihad Watch---as I said, there are some real, hair-curling, chilling examples of hate speech over there.

Also, I believe it's Jihad Watch that also has Spencer's article about Mobys planting "Hate comments" on his website. It's an interesting read, and I think it pertains to what's happening here at the moment.

As you pointed out, how responsible is a blogger who states outright on his blog that his blog is 1.) Not moderated, and. . . 2.) He is not responsible for all the comments, and does not necessarily agree with all of them. In fact, he warns that hate-filled, violent posts will be deleted---and he does delete them when he finds them (bringing cries of "censorship" of course, from the peanut gallery).

Throw Mobys into the mix, and the question becomes even more problematical. (From what I've observed, Charles doesn't hesitate on issuing warnings, or deleting comments that are truly bad; therefore, I'm thinking that CAIR, and other groups, must be monitoring LGF pretty closely, so they can copy anything even remotely offensive, as it crops up. Which indicates to me there really is a movement afoot to start punishing the blogs. And as Spencer's experience shows, if they can't find any hate-filled remarks, they're not above making some up.)

Oh, and medaura---if all you can do here is pick fights with everybody, get lost. You're not contributing much of anything at the moment.

409 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 1:34:35pm
410 sirusstudent  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 1:36:32pm

Istill cancelled my subscription. That paper is a liberal rag now I know its biased for muslims too.

411 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 1:43:01pm
412 sirusstudent  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 1:59:27pm

Hey Douggie Hooper make sure you read this. Peeps are onto your group. Your group is still unindicted co conpirator in holyland trail. That retry is coming up soon. Sue all of us for our comments why don't you? Your not going to infringe on our free speech. If you like no freedoms go to Saudi.

413 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 2:01:56pm

“No one was criticizing you or your blog?”

If not, there was no point in running the story. Were they trying to report that a couple of anonymous nuts had been banned from a message board? Since when is that news? Even if that were the case, it is not in fact what they initially reported.

The NYT bint who wrote the McCain hit-piece was caught red-handed taking a bribe from a lib activist money-mill a couple of years ago.
How many more have not been caught? If liberal foundations can bribe reporters and editors why can't wealthy oil ticks?

414 13 Martyrs  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 2:04:25pm

So newspaper writes an article that the FBI received a complaint from a specific organization representing a specific group of people. This is done just about every day in print and broadcast journalism. Yet, somehow, LBG thinks it's a huge conspiracy and proves journalists are beholden to those "terrible" Muslim folks and don't ask the hard questions about the motives behind CAIR's complaint (like maybe the people in St. Louis are little worried about all those nasty things LBG's guests say in postings). Thanks, LBG, for pointing out to me. Instead of attacking the messenger, why not suck it up and tell the FBI why you are not encouraging a conspiracy to attack and harass a minority of people in St. Louis?

415 Charles  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 2:09:29pm

re: #414 13 Martyrs

Is there some kind of point in this incoherent mess?

416 looking closely  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 2:09:48pm
There was no apology for Townsend’s rude, childish, and insulting tone, of course; which tells you this behavior is not a problem with editors of the Post-Dispatch.

And the CAIR hit piece, unchanged, is still the top story in their ‘Religion’ section.


Sorry to see it, though I can't really say this outcome comes as any kind of surprise.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

It was Cornelius Vanderbilt in the 19th century who made the original observation that trying to fight with the press is like "kicking a skunk".

Still holds, it seems.

Next time they will probably be more careful. . .though maybe not. There is a story here about CAIR's cozying up to the media, and I don't think this paper wants to be on the wrong end of it.

417 looking closely  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 2:14:45pm

re: #414 13 Martyrs
If you don't like this blog, feel free to take a hike.

Its not that the St Louis paper didn't ask the "hard" questions, its that they didn't ask **ANY** questions whatever.

Zip.

As to your lack of concern about libellous accusations, I'm sure you wouldn't mind if, say, there was a story printed in the newspaper about an FBI investigation into allegations of your access to child pornography, would you?

Those kind of stories appear in the paper every day, right?

418 Wishbone  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 2:17:01pm

re: #404 ploome hineni

Ploome, I don't mind that you don't respond to me, just as I know you don't really give too much of a toss about my generally ignoring you. Since neither of us is about to change our stance, let's leave it at that. However, I'd like to think that in future you would refrain from making snide asides to other posters in your rush to pronounce your judgement of my character from the rooftops.

Be Nice............ Well..........Try.

419 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 2:17:46pm

You guys can goodle this stuff yourselves if you want to.........
NAZI NOSTALGIA IN CROATIA

When I visited Croatia three years ago, the book most prominently displayed in the leading bookstores of the capital city Zagreb was a new edition of the notorious anti-Semitic classic, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". Next came the memoires of the World War II Croatian fascist Ustashe dictator Ante Pavelic, responsible for the organized genocide of Serbs, Jews and Romany (gypsies) that began in 1941, that is, even before the German Nazi "final solution".

.... it should be no surprise that this year's (1999 - ed) best seller in Croatia is none other than a new edition of "Mein Kampf". This is not a critical edition, mind you, but a reverently faithful reproduction of the original text by that great European leader, benefactor of Croatian nationalism and leader of the Third Reich, Adolf Hitler.

The magazine "Globus" reported that "Mein Kampf" is selling like hotcakes in all segments of Croatian society. For those who want to read more, there is a new book entitled "The Protocols of Zion, the Jews and Adolf Hitler" by Mladen Schwartz, leader of the Croatian neo-Nazi party New Right, and "Talks with Hitler" by the Fuhrer's aide Herman Rauschning, as well as various other memoires celebrating the Ustashe state whose violent massacres of Serbs shocked the Italian fascist allies and even German diplomatic observers at the time.

420 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 2:18:54pm

Oops, wrong thread.

421 BabbaZee  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 2:24:13pm

WTF is LBG anyway?

He doesn't even know where he is, Charles.
Never mind asking for coherence....

13 Martyrs is a reference to John Lennon's protest song "Sunday Bloody Sunday" in which British soldiers killed 13 Irish protesters on January 30, 1972, in Derry, Northern Ireland. The names of the dead have been obscured by time. But like many protesters who died in the name of freedom throughout history, their legacy lives on. The point of this blog is not so much to remember the Irish but to encourage dialogue about our freedom to express ourselves, the erosion of our liberties and to bring back the ideals that democracy once stood for. This blog will focus on the media, interpretation of world events and bridging cultural and religious divides. 13 Martyrs also discusses classic and contemporary films and the people behind them in "Rob Wagner's Script". The link can be found below. I am a veteran journalist who spent most of my career in California as a reporter and editor for daily newspapers. I've authored 20 books over the years. I served a three-year stint in 2004-2007 as managing editor of an English-language newspaper in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Given my experiences in the Middle East, there will be a fair amount of discussion of Arab and Islamic issues.

422 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 2:26:58pm

re: #414 13 Martyrs

So, 13 is Not Nearly Enough Martyrs, will the Pest-Dispatch run a story on your expulsion from LGF?
That seems to be the ex-post-facto point of their story if, as they claim, there was no intent to defame LGF.

423 BabbaZee  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 2:27:06pm

re: #417 looking closely

see above.

Faggetaboutit.

424 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 2:42:06pm

Wow! This blog is really, really pissing off the Terror-friends and their media whores.
Posting here is almost as much fun as shooting at terrorists in Iraq. It's not nearly as risky either (at least not yet), nor as much work. Doesn't pay as well though;)

Btw, 13 Martyrs (a minute if I had my way), whoever paid you to troll here really got screwed. At a hundred bucks a barrel, though, he can probably afford it.

425 Mekan  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 3:05:43pm

This post has probably died down, but I ask the PD why they failed to look into their own comment section? No, the article was tabloidesque as was the CBS news piece. There was no journalistic integrity about either piece. Who, what, where, and why were avoided when it suited the author. This is why the MSM is dying and why blogs are so important. It is the bloggers that are finding the basic journalistic answers. The blogs have admitted slants and you can take those into account when weighing the veracity of the posts.

PD has a circulation of 250, 000 or so. I would imagine that far more people are reading LGF, Hotair, and Newsbusters.

426 six-gun-neo-con  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 3:07:49pm

(s)CAIR and MSM have one thing in common. They can't control information anymore due to those pesky bloggers.

427 TalkinKamel  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 4:09:42pm

#415 Charles

No, there is no point.

#421 BabbaZee

LOL, I was kinda wondering about this mysterious "LBG" website.

428 TalkinKamel  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 4:11:46pm

#421 BabbaZee

Taking a gander at the 13 Martyrs site, it looks like it puts out politically correct Islamic puff-pieces.

429 TalkinKamel  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 4:13:20pm

#421 BabbaZee (Continued)

. . .Which only furthers my suspicion that this whole thing really has nothing to do with what anybody said here, but is just one more push by Cair to stifle freedom of speech.

430 Soccermom  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 4:24:54pm

I hope everyone goes to the correction page to see it and one of the ugliest web sites on the Internet. The Post-Disgust has the worst web site I've ever seen, and it has always been horrible. It's not user friendly, easy to search, and ti's visually UGLY.

Here's an idea: the P-D should hire Charles to make them a real web site.

431 Perplexed  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 5:40:43pm
There was no apology for Townsend’s rude, childish, and insulting tone, of course; which tells you this behavior is not a problem with editors of the Post-Dispatch.

Sorry but the press never says that is sorry for publishing material they know is factually incorrect. They just hope that enough people never hear their feeble attempt at a oops we screwed up comment.

432 TalkinKamel  Thu, Feb 21, 2008 6:08:31pm

I also notice that the 13 Martyrs' website also has an entry about the Mosque, and about Tim Townsend's article and condemning blogs that allegedly threaten and defame Moslems. This is not a disinterested party here.

I do wonder what it is about that particular mosque that has Cair up in arms. Maybe they just decided it's a good time to push the envelope. . .

433 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:38:46am
434 JeeWhiz  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:31:50am

re: #155 rappmandu

Get Over It

"...I'd like to find your inner child and kick him in the ass..."

LMAO


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