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Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:51:37 pm PST

Michelle Obama’s thesis: Racial divide. Institutionalized racism.

Oh brother. Michelle Obama thesis was on racial divide.

Michelle Obama’s senior year thesis at Princeton University, obtained from the campaign by Politico, shows a document written by a young woman grappling with a society in which a black Princeton alumnus might only be allowed to remain “on the periphery.” Read the full thesis here: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4.

“My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my ‘blackness’ than ever before,” the future Mrs. Obama wrote in her thesis introduction. “I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don’t belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second.”

The thesis, titled “Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community” and written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson, in 1985, has been the subject of much conjecture on the blogosphere and elsewhere in recent weeks, as it has been “temporarily withdrawn” from Princeton’s library until after this year’s presidential election in November. Some of the material has been written about previously, however, including a story last year in the Newark Star Ledger.

Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her “further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.”

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1 PeaceBeUponHim  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 6:53:03pm

Wow, who'd have guessed a close associate of Obama was racist?

2 Kaitian868  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 6:54:54pm

When I read one of the sections, I was confused when she said this sentence.

"instead of examining whether or not the individual believes in God, Piazza, and Glock". Say what again?

3 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 6:56:10pm

Princeton in the 80's was full of conservative racists!

4 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 6:56:21pm
Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her "further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant."

This is what Shelby Steele (I think) referred to as "the rage of a privileged class".

5 Whiterasta  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 6:57:07pm

Always make your words nice and sweet... You may have to eat them someday..

6 Ma Sands  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 6:57:39pm

Speaking of Michelle Obama, did you'all catch Peggy Noonan's editorial today on how Michelle gave Obama the biggest blow he got all week...?

7 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 6:58:27pm

I like how the NY Slimes will print Secret shit on tracking terrorists but won't ask why all these candidates and their spouses have all these thesis' and other "public" writings buried.

8 EE  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 6:58:59pm

Michelle Obama seems like a stronger personality, more assertive, than Barack Obama. If we had a President Obama, what would be the influence of Michelle Obama? Would she be the brains and the force behind the presidency?

9 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 6:59:20pm

Okay... I'll bite on this - why exactly is Michelle Obama's thesis important? Or are we plum out of things to say about Barack's capabilities that we've got to check out Michelle Obama's thesis on race relations?

Heck, what about Hillary's accounting records? Obama's ties to Rezco and/or Norman Hsu? Does any of that ring a bell?

10 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 6:59:46pm

re: #2 Kaitian868
Piazza? what does a MLB catcher have to do with God and guns?

11 pegcity  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 6:59:58pm

poor poor Michelle Obama, what kind of horrible racist society allows for a smart educated black woman to be living in such horrible conditions, 210 grand a year and 1.6 million dollar house, what is this Somalia?

12 jaunte  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:00:56pm

re: #9 lawhawk

There may be an unspoken and unlegislated acceptance of the 'co-presidency' concept after the Clinton years.

13 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:01:19pm

well, it looks like the church she and her husband went to was just perfect for her, anyway.

14 Uncle Joe  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:01:56pm

It's important to get a couple of Ivy League, multi-millionaire "victims" who know what a rotten, evil shithole the United States is into the White House. Yeah, that's the ticket.

The Obamas need to be examined much more closely than they have been as yet by the groveling, cheerleader media. I'm not expecting much from the likes of Chris Matthews who says he feels an electric shiver in his pants every time he see Barack.

15 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:01:59pm

re: #9 lawhawk
A spouse is the presidents closest advisor. What she thinks and writes about certain things has a direct bearing on policy. Hillary has so much shit laying about, the msm is just lazy not to investigate it.

16 winston06  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:02:13pm

I am now sure that she is a Marxist.

17 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:02:18pm

I confirm that I believe in Glock.

18 pegcity  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:02:24pm

Why is it ok to be a black supremisist, wait don't answer that.

19 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:02:36pm

re: #8 EE

Michelle Obama seems like a stronger personality, more assertive, than Barack Obama. If we had a President Obama, what would be the influence of Michelle Obama? Would she be the brains and the force behind the presidency?


I've had the same thought. It's almost as if she is the one wearing the family pants, not Obama.

20 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:02:42pm

A sister with attitude.

21 solomonpanting  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:03:15pm
Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her “further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.”

Well, she did choose that path. OTOH, if she were to be solely assimilated into a black cuture would she reside more, or less, on the periphery of society?

22 Reluctant Democrat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:03:15pm

This is boilerplate thinking and writing for humanities students. I work in academia and know this. The universities grant them a chip for their shoulders so they don't feel guilty about "identifying" with the "white" mainstream culture.

Get rich, sure, but feel guilty about it--a two-fer!

23 lobo91  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:04:03pm

re: #17 Occasional Reader

I confirm that I believe in Glock.

I believe in multiple Glocks.

/polyGlockist

24 Uncle Joe  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:04:18pm

re: #6 Ma Sands

Speaking of Michelle Obama, did you'all catch Peggy Noonan's editorial today on how Michelle gave Obama the biggest blow he got all week...?

How do you mean? Har, har. No chance of a similar scandal with the Clintons.

25 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:04:19pm

re: #6 Ma Sands

Nicely phrased, Ma.

26 kmclay  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:04:44pm

She is so full of sh^% - her eyes are brown.

Imagine your are Omarosa Obama with the private jets, the motorcades, the security, the toadies at your beck and call, living large with OPRAH?

If that's remaining on the periphery of society never becoming a full participant - count me in!

(You know what I'm proud about America? All these threads about Michelle O and not one person has uttered the phrase "junk in the trunk."
Hah!)

27 JWM  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:05:19pm
To research her thesis, the future Mrs. Obama sent an 18-question survey to a sampling of 400 black Princeton graduates, ...
Just under 90 alums responded to the questionnaires (for a response rate of approximately 22 percent)

Now there's some heavy duty scholarship. I would have had my ass busted big time at Cal State for trying to pass that off for a term paper, much less a thesis.

JWM

28 Cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:05:23pm

Sure do wish I could have been on the periphery as a black student at Princeton...

29 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:05:25pm

re: #9 lawhawk

I guess my beef is that we're getting this out about Michelle Obama, and it might be tangentially important, but we've yet to get the full story about Barack.

30 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:05:38pm

Racism rears its ugly head in all directions.

/it's not just a white thing

31 mikeinmd  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:05:44pm

#11 pegcity

poor poor Michelle Obama, what kind of horrible racist society allows for a smart educated black woman to be living in such horrible conditions, 210 grand a year and 1.6 million dollar house, what is this Somalia?

AAAmen

32 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:06:10pm
"Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second.”

...Sounds to me like she's the one who sees race first; at least when she's "interacting with whites".

33 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:06:14pm

I ain't goin' to rehab - I won't go.. go.. go..

34 ArmyAunt  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:06:29pm
Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second.”

Well maybe if you didn't look at them as "whites" then they wouldn't look at you as "black".

Ya think?

35 Ma Sands  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:07:46pm

re: #24 Uncle Joe

re: #25 Noam Sayin'


Oh, dear...I usually am so careful, knowing my propensity for speaking unintentionally ambiguously... I am so sorry... ):

36 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:07:47pm

re: #28 Cognito

Sure do wish I could have been on the periphery as a black student at Princeton...

Hey, I got waitlisted at Princeton. So I'm even more peripheralerialized than Michelle!

I got a right to be angry! My people been persecuted!

37 tokyobk  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:08:22pm

I have mixed feelings about this.

I was very upset about her comments about being proud for the first time, mostly because I am sure she was being honest and not making a slip.

Princeton has a unique situation, however, somewhat similar to Yale in New Haven meaning that as the first black students came with any numbers, they were or felt in the middle of the campus and surrounding neighborhoods, all black.

Princeton was the school of choice for the sons of Southern planters who brought their slaves with them to school, some of whom stayed and made a small neighborhood on the edge of campus (near the hospital) which has always been something of a middle class neighborhood but very distinct from the Princeton Oasis alongside Nassau Street.

It was 1985, not 2008 and she was part of a generation of students who were crossing campus and indeed still thought of as outsiders. Even today, if you go to Penn or Yale or Princeton you will see many black Students who are always decked in school colors becuase they percieve this makes them less threatening to other students who can see them as part of campus, not West Philly, New Haven or the Princeton enclave.

Also, white liberals in these environments are indeed insufferable. One reason I live in Japan, no joke. The condescend to black students by letting them feel and say things they would never tolerate in white students. So I am slightly sympathetic to the time and place and think others should take this into consideration. I am sympathetic to many former radicals who did not have the good fortune, as I did, to have teachers to respect us enough to tell us to understand our woes in a wider historical and social context.

Mau Mau and Flack-Catching, as Tom Wolfe Put it

38 ArmyAunt  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:08:33pm

re: #32 Ringo the Gringo

great minds gringo...

39 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:08:47pm

Hard to believe snooty white liberal college professors at Princeton would make her feel hat way.

/just saying

40 fri  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:09:12pm
no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus;

YA, Libs will make anyone feel that way.

41 ted  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:09:36pm

Poor little rich girl...

42 MagnaniomousCoward  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:09:41pm

"it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second.”

Right. I actually do believe this happens a lot when the focus is so much on race - why do we have "black community" leaders? Shouldn't they just be community leaders who happen to be black?

So far what I've seen of Obama is a man who isn't mired in the racist language and racist thinking that often comes out of the race-baiters who hold themselves out as "black leaders" - perhaps because he didn't grow up in that culture.

43 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:09:44pm

re: #24 Uncle Joe

And boobie thread in 5...4...3...

44 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:09:46pm

Has any of the other ex-miltary here considered the security implications of the POTUS having close relatives lining in a third world country where violence is not unknown?

What kind of security risk do you think that would pose? Would the half-siblings require Secret Service protection?

45 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:09:49pm

/Are we there yet?

46 Ps2  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:09:51pm

everything you want to know about obama...to date...

[Link: www.freedomsenemies.com...]

47 gman  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:10:06pm

Larry Elder coined the term victicrat, which describes Michelle Obama perfectly.

In his book, published last year, Elder says, "A 'victicrat' blames all ills, problems, concerns and unhappiness on others."

Here's some more on the topic.

48 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:10:35pm

Michelle Obama = Sherry Palmer?

49 RTLM  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:11:00pm

Michelle Obama is the Black Hillary Clinton.

(parallels)

50 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:11:07pm

re: #9 lawhawk

This is important because it shows what Barack looked for in a mate, and what we can expect in Michelle as a First Lady, heaven forbid. As I said in another thread on another site, I know lots of Michelle types. Lord knows, I am sometimes surrounded by them here in SF. They are what I call the Permanent Grievance Class. No amount of white guilt will ever assuage them. They occupy high office, drive nice cars, go to the best schools (which they got in to despite lower test scores than their non-black counterparts), live in showplace mansions, make fabulous salaries (the likes of which I can only dream of), and in spite of all this, are somehow victims of a racist society. I know of no other ethnic group that gets away with this behavior, Asians do not, my Latino pals do not.

51 DesertSage  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:12:21pm

I am officially bored with the Obama's.
Exciting for a while, but now they just irritate me.

52 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:13:11pm

Reference to...

APOSTLE, RICHARD; GLOCK, CHARLES Y.; PIAZZA, THOMAS; SUELZLE, MARIJEAN The Anatomy of Racial Attitudes

Walter in Golden, Co.

53 ted  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:13:26pm

As is/was with Billary, Michelle is the more meglomaniacal of MichBama...

54 JWM  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:13:28pm

And I just love this crap about it being the bad old days of 1985. Like there were separate "white and colored" drinking fountains on campus or something. Fer cryin' out loud, if it was 1955 there maybe would be something to talk about. The culture of political correctness was flourishing in the mid 80's.

JWM

55 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:13:42pm

re: #51 DesertSage
Yhe whole damn election shit has got boring. People are going to start getting sworn in and the next day be out campaigning for re-election.

56 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:13:47pm

re: #51 DesertSage

I am officially bored with the Obama's.
Exciting for a while, but now they just irritate me.

i find her more irritating than him. that chip on her shoulder is nasty, and for no reason.

57 tokyobk  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:13:56pm

On Campuses in 1985 it was impossible not to be self-righteous if you were a young minority. The whole environment was set up to fostor grievences, mostly to assuage white liberal guilt. I have seen many fine minds ruined by this.

But Barack Obama is indeed above this kind of thing. It is his wife who is coming off as not visionary, as a complete stereotype of her time and place.

58 mikeinmd  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:14:01pm

From pg. 3 of the thesis,1985 :

"At the same time,however,it is conceivable that my four years of exposure to a predominantly White, Ivy League University has instilled within me certain conservative values."

From Feb 2008 :

"For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country."


I don't think you need to worry about that

59 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:14:15pm
“My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my ‘blackness’ than ever before,” the future Mrs. Obama wrote in her thesis introduction. “I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don’t belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second.”

That has a tendency to happen if you only interact with leftists who think in terms of identity politics... Just FYI

60 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:14:41pm

Berkeley, California, 1983.re: #52 Walter L. Newton

Reference to...

APOSTLE, RICHARD; GLOCK, CHARLES Y.; PIAZZA, THOMAS; SUELZLE, MARIJEAN The Anatomy of Racial Attitudes

Walter in Golden, Co.

I forgot to add the publishing date...

Berkeley, California, 1983.Berkeley, California, 1983.

Figures...

Walter in Golden, Co.

61 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:15:12pm

re: #51 DesertSage

I am officially bored with the Obama's.
Exciting for a while, but now they just irritate me.

/brace yourself

62 Idle Drifter  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:15:36pm

re: #17 Occasional Reader

I confirm that I believe in Glock.

So you've read from the Holy Book of Armaments?

63 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:15:54pm

re: #61 Killian Bundy
Bwahaha! Too frickin' true.

64 Kirly  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:15:59pm

wow. could michelle lavaughan robinson have been more wrong? there she is, the wife of the "rock star" politician who has a good chance of becoming the President. damn woman! how the hell much more mainstream (ie, not periphery) do you want?

kirls

65 Alas  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:16:46pm

Obamamania and tulip mania...

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

66 Jeewhiz  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:16:50pm
Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her “further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.”

Really?

Joke is on you, Michelle. You're potentially about 15 minutes from becoming the first lady of the US. I daresay that qualifies you as a 'full participant" in society...*grin*

I'd LMAO at anyone's college thesis in this vein, considering that students are usually so dramatically damned full of themselves. However, coming from this one, who is seemingly STILL so damned dramatic, I predict that if her husband wins in Novemeber, she's going to give us as much entertainment as Billy Carter did.

67 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:16:52pm

re: #62 Idle Drifter

I believe in St. Bill of Ruger.

68 sbvft contributor  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:17:15pm

She's creepy and so is that church of their's:

[Link: sweetness-light.com...]

69 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:17:20pm

re: #8 EE

I thought the same thing about Elizabeth Edwards. In fact, I used to quip that Liz Edwards probably would have been the better candidate among the two - she was more effective on his policy positions such as they were than he was.

Maybe the same situation here.

We are also seeing how Bill was definitely the better presenter of policy and had more charisma than Hillary - who might have a better grasp of the actual policy, but simply comes off as shady. (and yes, I am prone to understatement).

70 solomonpanting  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:18:09pm
At the same time, however, it is conceivable that my four years of exposure to a predominately White, Ivy League University has instilled within me certain conservative values. For example, as I enter my final year at Princeton, I find myself striving for many of the same goals as my White classmates--acceptance to a prestigious graduate or professional school or a high paying position in a successful corporation.

So by this does she imply that Blacks don't seek a high paying position after graduation? I'm almost certain a position at Taco Bell is not on the agenda.

71 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:18:31pm

re: #57 tokyobk

But Barack Obama is indeed above this kind of thing.

I would like to think so. But I wonder.

I take it from your post that you are a) black and b) living in Japan. Out of curiosity, what is your impression of Japanese attitudes towards black people? I ask because an ex-girlfriend of mine (black, fluent in Japanese) was thoroughly disillusioned after living there.

72 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:18:36pm

re: #67 FamHistoryGuy

re: #62 Idle Drifter

I believe in St. Bill of Ruger.

Infidel! The Prophet is John Moses Browning.

73 Geepers  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:18:41pm
Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community"

This was a thesis paper?

74 solomonpanting  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:19:23pm

re: #73 Geepers

Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community"

This was a thesis paper?

Exactly.

75 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:19:52pm

Any links to the entire thesis?

Larry Elder was reading parts of it on his radio program this evening and there are more choice quotables.

Of course this is the standard stuff that the professors want you to write, in the 1980's and today.

76 tokyobk  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:19:55pm

The problem with her is not what she wrote as a self-rigteous college student in an environment designed to assuage white guilt. The problem is if she does not update her script. I have a feeling she has been given very strict directives on this.

77 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:20:24pm

Yeah, michelle- the White House peripheral enough for you?

78 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:20:38pm

re: #74 solomonpanting

re: #73 Geepers


Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community"

This was a thesis paper?

Exactly.

Don't ask me...my degrees are in the hard sciences. I have almost no idea what went on in the lib arts graduate classes.

79 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:20:53pm

re: #62 Idle Drifter

re: #17 Occasional Reader

I confirm that I believe in Glock.

So you've read from the Holy Book of Armaments?

Indeed. Books 17, 19, 21, 23, 27 and 30.

80 Kirly  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:20:57pm

re: #70 solomonpanting

At the same time, however, it is conceivable that my four years of exposure to a predominately White, Ivy League University has instilled within me certain conservative values. For example, as I enter my final year at Princeton, I find myself striving for many of the same goals as my White classmates--acceptance to a prestigious graduate or professional school or a high paying position in a successful corporation.

well hell, there it is. black guilt over her current and assumed future success. wow.

81 pat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:21:23pm

Full on moonbat loser talk. Pretentious racist nonsense disguising a second rate mind.

82 Alas  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:21:41pm

Obama Hussein Barack, Jr., President of the United States of America?

There's only John McCain standing in the way of Obama now.

83 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:21:42pm

re: #73 Geepers

Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community"

This was a thesis paper?

At Princeton, no less!

Can't wait to do my Ph.D thesis: "Irish-German Wiseasses in America"

84 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:22:07pm

Obama once visited '60s radicals

Barack and Michelle Keeping the Faith

/because my spinoff links aren't getting much love

85 sparrowlake  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:22:49pm

re: #30 Killian Bundy

Her whining and bitching about her unfulfilled feelings of entitlement is not racism - it's just not being proud of your country.

86 gman  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:22:49pm

re: #73 Geepers

Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community"

This was a thesis paper?

That's what I was wondering? That doesn't look like APA to me.

87 Arbalest  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:23:48pm

It should have been obvious from Michelle Obama’s apeech(s) that she’s very racially sensitive.

Her resume, including a few not-yet-verified factoids from posts elsewhere, reads like that of someone whose had very many things simply handed to her:

- Father a member of the Chicago political machine
- Admitted to Princeton, (degree in Sociology/proof of High School graduation;
. . . there’s a reason her thesis was “unavailable”, download and read it)
- Admitted to Harvard (yet word is her LSATs weren’t quite sufficient)
- Job with prestigious Chicago law firm (cases? briefs? anything memorable?
. . . there’s word she might not still be licensed to practice)
- Introduced with her husband to the Hyde Park Democrats as the successor to Alice Palmer. Time to mention Obama's ongoing relationships with ex-bombers, failed 60s communists, political machine apparatchiks. It helps explain his political successes in Illinois.

To a significant degree, it sounds like Princeton was the first place where everyone talked “across” to her, and she had a problem with it. Some chicks are like this.

But eventually the days of High School come to an end, and college usually makes it happen real fast.

88 mikeinmd  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:24:16pm

#83 Occasional reader

Can't wait to do my Ph.D thesis: "Irish-German Wiseasses in America"

nice

89 Alas  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:24:27pm

What's with all the fainting? Real or staged? Which is worse?

90 sbvft contributor  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:24:42pm

Barack Obama's self-professed "spiritual mentor/advisor" on the premiere hatemonger of the last quarter century:

"“When Minister Farrakhan speaks, Black America listens,” says the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, likening the Minister’s influence to the E. F. Hutton commercials of old. “Everybody may not agree with him, but they listen...His depth on analysis when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye opening. He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest.

“Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African American religious experience,” continues Wright. “His integrity and honesty have secured him a place in history as one of the nation’s most powerful critics. His love for Africa and African American people has made him an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose.”"

91 pat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:25:37pm

/My thesis was "An Ornithological Approach To The Flight Potential Of Moonbats: Why Bats Cannot Fly".

92 Idle Drifter  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:25:59pm

re: #72 OldLineTexan

re: #67 FamHistoryGuy


re: #62 Idle Drifter

I believe in St. Bill of Ruger.


Infidel! The Prophet is John Moses Browning.

Brothers, hold thy wrath for the unbelievers Hand Control Inc. for they do not know the pleasant smell nitrocellulose nitroglycerin incense.

93 Alas  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:26:27pm

Obamamania. Faint and shout!

94 tokyobk  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:26:30pm

Occassional:

I am mixed race and actually, in graduate and professional schools until very recently, among black men you only found men who were mixed, adopted or African/Carribean. Many of the marriages between black men and women from these schools are husband: one of the above, wife; African American.

For now, I see Barack as different and above. I hope I am right.

As for the Japanese and race, particularly regards towards blacks, this is the subject of my PhD and a planned book and I will send you a link when it gets farther along-- ie starts to make sense ot other people (and not just my mom).

In short, the Japanese do sterotype blacks, but probably not more than they apply very rigid concepts to everyone, including themselves.

95 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:26:53pm

re: #85 sparrowlake

Her whining and bitching about her unfulfilled feelings of entitlement is not racism

Sure it is.

/who does she blame?

96 Adrenalyn  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:27:41pm

you wonder if she'd object to someone wearing This Shirt ?

97 obscured by clouds  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:27:43pm

Yeah. Right. 1985 was hell from a race relation standpoint. Especially at Princeton. Oh brother, indeed. What...did they ask her to moondance more often than 'the other students'? Serious question.

98 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:27:51pm

re: #72 OldLineTexan

May Sir Richard of Gatling lift his blessings from you, heretic.

99 seekeroftruth  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:27:55pm

It seems like she was unaware of the cultural shock that comes with living in a different environment from where she had lived all her life. A move from Chicago to New Jersey is a big change. That alone would lead to feeling on the outside. It's not all about skin color.

100 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:27:57pm

re: #75 Ringo the Gringo

Any links to the entire thesis?

Follow the link in Charles' post. The first paragraph at Politico contains links to the full thesis.

101 sparrowlake  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:28:56pm

re: #95 Killian Bundy

Ooops, forgot the sarc.

102 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:29:34pm

If her husband is elected, I suggest that she be referred to as "The First Moonbat."

What a fucking mental midget!

103 His Royal Highness  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:29:39pm

I'm confused - is she running for President or is her husband? The wives/spouses of political candidates really don't concern me - the candidates do.

104 Cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:29:47pm

It's sad, really.

Michelle spent four years thinking the "whites" were ostracizing her because she was a "black." If only she had known they were whispering, "Where is her bowtie?"

105 trailortrash  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:30:10pm
“I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don’t belong.

crimea fuggin rivah

106 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:30:13pm
107 Kirly  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:30:26pm

re: #103 His Royal Highness

I'm confused - is she running for President or is her husband? The wives/spouses of political candidates really don't concern me - the candidates do.

they should concern you. they are in a position of power and influence unlike any other person in the life of the president.

108 JWM  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:30:33pm

Only slightly OT:
Take a wild guess who wrote this:

When I fly in an airplane I want the pilot with the most experience, not the one who can inspire hope in me that I get to where I am going. When I pay my taxes, I want the person filing them to be experienced, not the new person who inspires hope in me that he can do the job. When I hire someone to fix my washing machine, I want the tried and true experienced person, not the one who inspires me to hope that he can fix it. When I go to the doctor I do not want to get the one who inspires hope in me that s/he can cure what's wrong, but the one who knows what the hell to do the minute I call. It's not really the job of a public servant to inspire, but to get the job that the people demand done.

And the comments are priceless.

JWM

109 gman  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:30:44pm

re: #103 His Royal Highness

I'm confused - is she running for President or is her husband? The wives/spouses of political candidates really don't concern me - the candidates do.

That's what I thought until Hillary showed up.

110 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:31:05pm

re: #103 His Royal Highness

I'm confused - is she running for President or is her husband? The wives/spouses of political candidates really don't concern me - the candidates do.

She's campaigning for him. That makes her positions and beliefs fair game. It's not like we're picking on his grandma, who's off minding her own business somewhere. She's claiming to be relevant to the Obama Experience, and presumably he's not objecting.

111 pat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:31:26pm

re: #107 Kirly

re: #103 His Royal Highness

I'm confused - is she running for President or is her husband? The wives/spouses of political candidates really don't concern me - the candidates do.

they should concern you. they are in a position of power and influence unlike any other person in the life of the president.


Yep. The other candidate is MRS. Clinton

112 David Simon  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:31:30pm

It's always the same no matter who the "victim" is: "I refuse to assimilate; YOU must bend over backward to accomodate ME."

113 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:31:42pm

re: #108 JWM

Only slightly OT:
Take a wild guess who wrote this:


When I fly in an airplane I want the pilot with the most experience, not the one who can inspire hope in me that I get to where I am going. When I pay my taxes, I want the person filing them to be experienced, not the new person who inspires hope in me that he can do the job. When I hire someone to fix my washing machine, I want the tried and true experienced person, not the one who inspires me to hope that he can fix it. When I go to the doctor I do not want to get the one who inspires hope in me that s/he can cure what's wrong, but the one who knows what the hell to do the minute I call. It's not really the job of a public servant to inspire, but to get the job that the people demand done.

And the comments are priceless.

JWM

I'm afraid the answer was already given in the previous thread. But I won't tell it you won't.

114 tokyobk  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:32:02pm

Occasional:

People that are fluent often have a worse time because they actually know what people are really saying and thinking. Not just to you but to each other. Some of the differences that do not get noticed by the (many) gaijin who refuse to learn Japanese become intolerable to the fluent.

That, and perhaps racial things, might have been too much for your girl-friend. I see that alot.

But for me it is worth anything for th efood, hot-springs, and how safe and clean it is here, which I consider to be a right for all tax-payers-- since safety and services is why we pay taxes.

115 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:32:16pm

re: #82 Alas

/We are saved! Another arab, who adores 'palestinians', Ralph Nader, may very well run...again.

May G-d help us.

116 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:32:50pm

re: #104 Cognito

If only she had known they were whispering, "Where is her bowtie?"

/and you've accused me of awkward racial juxtapositions

117 Orangutan  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:33:21pm

#87 Arbalest

Great minds and all that...Michelle had things handed to her on a platter, and anyone who wouldn't do so made her feel like she was on the periphery, apparently. This look-in-the-eye and point-out-she's-stupid must be racism - not the fact that she's dumb enough to squeeze out some stupid line about just now being proud of America in an effing political stump speech! What a maroon!

And no, maroon is not a racist term, Michelle!

118 musicman  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:34:04pm

re: #48 Jim in Virginia

Michelle Obama = Sherry Palmer?

I had that very same thought. It's like watching that season of 24 all over again.

119 His Royal Highness  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:34:05pm

She wrote her thesis before she was married. I prolly wrote things in my thesis I wouldn't be so supportive of now - people's view's change and evolve. That's what I'm saying.

120 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:34:06pm

re: #114 tokyobk

Occasional:

People that are fluent often have a worse time because they actually know what people are really saying and thinking. Not just to you but to each other. Some of the differences that do not get noticed by the (many) gaijin who refuse to learn Japanese become intolerable to the fluent.

That, and perhaps racial things, might have been too much for your girl-friend. I see that alot.

But for me it is worth anything for th efood, hot-springs, and how safe and clean it is here, which I consider to be a right for all tax-payers-- since safety and services is why we pay taxes.

She said that people were not openly hostile or rude; more that, she came away with the distinct impression that no matter how well she learned the language and culture, she would always be treated (with relentless politeness, of course) as VERY, VERY MUCH an outsider.

121 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:34:43pm

re: #112 David Simon

It's always the same no matter who the "victim" is: "I refuse to assimilate; YOU must bend over backward to accomodate ME."

exactly, it's the same egocentric bad attitude

122 EE  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:34:52pm

Barack Obama's chief foreign policy advisor is Zbigniew Brzezinski. Let's see what that might tell us about a President Obama.

Zbigniew Brzezinski was the National Security Advisor for President Jimmy Carter, 1977-1981. On Feb 1, 1979, the Ayatollah Khomeini returned to Tehran from France. On Feb 2, 1979, Brzezinski wrote a memo to President Carter claiming that Islamic fudamentalism was not an imminent threat and would not gain prominence in the Middle East. On Feb 11, 1979, the Pahlavi dynasty collapsed. Jimmy Carter's role was to help oust the Shah of Iran and to facilitate the regime change to the Islamic Republic of Iran. Zbig did not see a problem arising from Islamic fundamentalism.

The new Iranian regime took the American Embassy people as hostages in 1979, and kept them as hostages until the end of Carter's presidency. In 1980, Brzezinski planned Operation Eagle Claw, meant to free the hostages in Iran, which was an abject failure.

As for Israel, Brzezinski defended the paper The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy, which was an attack on the Jews in America and saw them as controlling the US.

Brzezinski has written in support of CAIR, and in opposition to President Bush's concept of the War on Terror. He has testified before Congress that he is afraid that President Bush is going to use any pretext to attack Iran.

That Barack Obama chose Zbigniew Brzezinski as a foreign policy advisor might tell us something about what a President Obama would do.

And not do.

Another piece of information that could provide a clue was during a debate when Obama was asked what he would do as president if America were attacked with nuclear weapons. His response was that he would tend to those injured. What he didn't say is that he would counter-attack.

That could be misinterpreted by a nuclear-armed Iran that it could attack America with nuclear weapons, with impunity. If the mullahs in Iran and Ahmadinejad think that we have a softie as president, they may take that as an invitation to attack.

Regarding Iraq, Obama's approach seems to be shown by his statements that we should announce a date on which we would remove our armed forces from there. I wonder if he recognized that the enemy would also hear our words and act accordingly.

Obama has had very little experience. He was a state senator, and a hundred times cast a "present" vote instead of voting yes or no. He was in the US Senate for a year when he started running for president of the United States. An enemy would consider him unprepared for the office when he first became president, and the danger is that when he got into office he would be tested by the enemy. If Iran acquires a nuclear weapon by the time Barack Obama became president, would they be tempted to use his inexperience as an opportunity to attack, right at the start of his presidency? If they thought of him as a softie, would they feel that they are attacking with impunity? If they believed that a President Obama would be concerned with tending to the injured, would they be encouraged to attack?

123 tokyobk  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:34:55pm

JWM

When Rosanne opens her big fat only-place-in-the-middle-east-she-would-not-be-sto ned-to-death-is-Israel mouth about the Middle East, I go ape-s&^t.

However, I almost admire her for being all around and apparently a=politically stupid. At least she really is incorrect politically, which is rare.

124 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:35:26pm

In other news-- is there actually a good movie worth watching this year?

Maybe.

125 JWM  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:35:31pm

re: #113 Opilio
It figures. I'm always late to the party.
*sigh*

JWM

126 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:37:00pm

re: #108 JWM

Only slightly OT:
Take a wild guess who wrote this:


When I fly in an airplane I want the pilot with the most experience, not the one who can inspire hope in me that I get to where I am going. When I pay my taxes, I want the person filing them to be experienced, not the new person who inspires hope in me that he can do the job. When I hire someone to fix my washing machine, I want the tried and true experienced person, not the one who inspires me to hope that he can fix it. When I go to the doctor I do not want to get the one who inspires hope in me that s/he can cure what's wrong, but the one who knows what the hell to do the minute I call. It's not really the job of a public servant to inspire, but to get the job that the people demand done.

And the comments are priceless.

JWM

That they are!

stormy7 (See profile | I'm a fan of stormy7)
SEEMS NOT EVERYONE HAS FIGURED OUT ALL OF THOSE REPUBLICAN CROSSOVER VOTES FOR OBAMA IN THE PRIMARIES WLL VOTE FOR MCCAIN IN NOVEMBER. THIS IS KARL ROVE'S STRATEGY.

/booga booga!

127 Adrenalyn  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:37:56pm

wait, this thesis was withdrawn ?

but, but, but
on her first page she writes (and signs) that she wants the university to make it available ?

how come she now wants it removed from scholarly research ?

128 WrathofG-d  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:38:07pm
129 Geepers  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:38:45pm

His Royal Highness (#119),

She wrote her thesis before she was married. I prolly wrote things in my thesis I wouldn't be so supportive of now - people's view's change and evolve. That's what I'm saying.

So you're saying her views have change? To what? Got a link for for that?

130 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:38:52pm

re: #115 NY Nana

Psst, Nana- that's a moby, btw.

131 obscured by clouds  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:38:57pm

Geez...some '80s veteran I am...I meant moonwalk in post #97. I'd hate to 'dis' the most popular American on Earth at the time - Michael Jackson (who was reputedly black at the time).

132 tokyobk  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:39:45pm
She said that people were not openly hostile or rude; more that, she came away with the distinct impression that no matter how well she learned the language and culture, she would always be treated (with relentless politeness, of course) as VERY, VERY MUCH an outsider.

Occasional:

This is the thing. It is so true. You only notice that last 10% of reserve when you become fluent and want things to be normal and you will not be a normal part of the landscape.

Waitresses stumbling over themselves to speak in English to me after I made my reservation, ordered, complemented the chef in Japanese, used to drive me crazy.

And still, the way to really insult someone here is to speak to them in slang or very, very, very polite language. Slang, form a gaijin is like slapping them twice since you are showing them that you know how to talk down. Very polite language is unbearable to, for example a rude taxi driver, because it is not supposed to be the case that a foreign person knows your language well enough to put you down while seemingly polite.

Maybe your girlfriend agrees, or not. Sorry she ultimately could not take it. I think the long trends is getting better in this way.

133 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:40:04pm

I'd like to be oppressed at Princeton.

134 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:40:33pm

re: #116 Killian Bundy

re: #104 Cognito


If only she had known they were whispering, "Where is her bowtie?"

/and you've accused me of awkward racial juxtapositions

*snort*

135 WrathofG-d  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:40:50pm

OT:

In "palestine" they "protest" fences by attacking people.

/wow the MSM is on super biased mode lately.

136 Cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:42:16pm

re: #116 Killian Bundy

re: #104 Cognito

If only she had known they were whispering, "Where is her bowtie?"

/and you've accused me of awkward racial juxtapositions

Well I have to admit I don't get it. It's a reference to the proliferation of bowties at Princeton.

What's the hidden juxtaposition?

137 Confuzed  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:42:43pm
...I will always be black first and a student second.

Hispanic first and a student second.
Asian first and a student second.
Native-American first and a student second.
female first and a student second.
gay first and a student second.

etc., etc. This victim mentality gets old after a few decades.

If you want real and verifiable discrimination on campus, try being a Conservative first and an racist second.

/If you're conservative, it doesn't matter what you are first, you're always considered a racist next.

138 gman  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:43:51pm

re: #119 His Royal Highness

She wrote her thesis before she was married. I prolly wrote things in my thesis I wouldn't be so supportive of now - people's view's change and evolve. That's what I'm saying.

She didn't change though until just a few days ago. She has now just become "proud" of her country.

139 Irene NYC  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:43:56pm

Well, if she felt like an outsider, so what? A lot of us felt like outsiders at university. It's what you took from your years there that count. She seems to have taken a chip on her shoulder with her - which says more about her than about Princeton.

140 Alas  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:45:01pm

re: #115 NY Nana

re: #82 Alas

/We are saved! Another arab, who adores 'palestinians', Ralph Nader, may very well run...again.

May G-d help us.

I don't know which is worse, Ralph Nader or the statistically most liberal U.S. Senator without any accomplishments to his name, Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.?

At least Lebanese Christians and their descendants have proven themselves to be successful and integrated and grateful Americans. Ralph Nader is a wingnut, but he gave us mandated vehicular seat belts, and, thankfully, he has no chance of ever gaining any high office in the land. The Obamas, contemptuous of the country that gave them so many opportunities, on the other hand...

141 His Royal Highness  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:45:02pm

#129 Geepers

So you're saying her views have change? To what? Got a link for for that?

No, I don't. I need to actually read the thesis first, which from the looks of it is quite exhaustive.

142 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:45:22pm

re: #98 FamHistoryGuy

re: #72 OldLineTexan

May Sir Richard of Gatling lift his blessings from you, heretic.

I will pray a belt of .50, and ask Ma Deuce in her infiite wisdom to forgive your backslidden ways.

143 Adrenalyn  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:45:30pm

I have to wonder aloud why she went to Princeton and seemed to focus on black studies and not some real academic program that had a real-world chance of getting her a job, a good job.

I mean, why not go to a black only college to learn about and get a degree in black studies.

You go to IVY league schools to get a first rate education in business, science, etc...not black studies.

144 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:45:38pm
145 Highrise  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:45:39pm

Her feelings come from her own insecurities. She just would rather blame the white school professors and everyone else.

/rolls eyes.

146 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:45:53pm

re: #119 His Royal Highness

She wrote her thesis before she was married. I prolly wrote things in my thesis I wouldn't be so supportive of now - people's view's change and evolve. That's what I'm saying.

Barrack, is that you?

147 pat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:46:27pm

I did not speak proper English until 15. Talk about outsider. Talk about a lot of fights.

148 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:46:47pm

re: #136 Cognito

What's the hidden juxtaposition?

/start here

149 lazypadawan  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:46:51pm

Aww, poor Michelle! This miserable outsider had to suffer the slings and arrows of an Ivy League education, a job at a posh law firm and a cushy job at a hospital, big bucks, international fame, and possibly becoming the first black First Lady.

I should try and remember her private pain as I slog away at my job to pay off my student loans and drive around in my 8-year-old car.

150 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:46:57pm

re: #130 Sharmuta

Ankthay Uoyay!

151 Idle Drifter  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:47:46pm

re: #126 Bloodnok

re: #108 JWM


Only slightly OT:
Take a wild guess who wrote this:

When I fly in an airplane I want the pilot with the most experience, not the one who can inspire hope in me that I get to where I am going. When I pay my taxes, I want the person filing them to be experienced, not the new person who inspires hope in me that he can do the job. When I hire someone to fix my washing machine, I want the tried and true experienced person, not the one who inspires me to hope that he can fix it. When I go to the doctor I do not want to get the one who inspires hope in me that s/he can cure what's wrong, but the one who knows what the hell to do the minute I call. It's not really the job of a public servant to inspire, but to get the job that the people demand done.

And the comments are priceless.
JWM

That they are!

stormy7 (See profile | I'm a fan of stormy7)
SEEMS NOT EVERYONE HAS FIGURED OUT ALL OF THOSE REPUBLICAN CROSSOVER VOTES FOR OBAMA IN THE PRIMARIES WLL VOTE FOR MCCAIN IN NOVEMBER. THIS IS KARL ROVE'S STRATEGY.

/booga booga!

I couldn't any more comments I was laughing so hard, they came up with every ridicules counter argument ignorance could flush down the toilet. One I found interesting was something about the experienced pilot crashing his airplane, I mean really the poster thinks it's a negative to crash a plane and walk away as a bad thing without giving the context of the crash. Was it a bird strike, drunkenness, drug use, white out, brown out, black out, engine failure, lightning strike, structural failure, hydraulic failure, loss of oil pressure, etc. what caused the crash? Besides any crash you can walk away from from is a good one!

152 sparrowlake  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:47:47pm

re: #115 NY Nana

re: #82 Alas

/We are saved! Another arab, who adores 'palestinians', Ralph Nader, may very well run...again.

May G-d help us.

I doubt he'll take many votes from McCain.

153 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:48:09pm

re: #139 Irene NYC

Well, if she felt like an outsider, so what? A lot of us felt like outsiders at university. It's what you took from your years there that count. She seems to have taken a chip on her shoulder with her - which says more about her than about Princeton.

That sounds an awful lot like the exchanges we had last night about female locker rooms and nudity being an aggressive behavior. In this case, it's like the parading of race is like the parading of the body. An aggressive behavior.

154 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:48:17pm
155 tokyobk  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:48:25pm

I am off to run just my 2.28 yen:

At places like Princeton in 1985 they were handing out chips to black students and taping them to their shoulders and apologizing at the same time and all out of real consideration of terrible things that happened in US history just decades earlier but executed in a completely sloppy and misguided guilty way-- that was itself reverse racist.

If she keeps yapping her trap now in 2008 then it is Obama's jugement problem but not util then.

156 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:48:36pm
158 FightingBack  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:50:25pm

re: #156 ploome hineni

re: #147 pat

I did not speak proper English until 15. Talk about outsider. Talk about a lot of fights.

what did you speak?

Yiddish

159 Alas  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:50:49pm

re: #130 Sharmuta

re: #115 NY Nana

Psst, Nana- that's a moby, btw.

The sad Carlotta...

[Link: www.script-o-rama.com...]

160 Cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:51:35pm

re: #148 Killian Bundy

re: #136 Cognito

What's the hidden juxtaposition?

/start here

I do salute your vigilance, Killian. But I'm not sure this example really works, since the hypothetical racism would be flowing the wrong direction.

And there's a whole other stereotype in play.

161 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:52:02pm

re: #147 pat

I did not speak proper English until 15. Talk about outsider. Talk about a lot of fights.



what language did you speak as a child?

162 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:52:05pm

re: #153 Sarge1984

re: #139 Irene NYC


Well, if she felt like an outsider, so what? A lot of us felt like outsiders at university. It's what you took from your years there that count. She seems to have taken a chip on her shoulder with her - which says more about her than about Princeton.

That sounds an awful lot like the exchanges we had last night about female locker rooms and nudity being an aggressive behavior. In this case, it's like the parading of race is like the parading of the body. An aggressive behavior.

great point

163 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:52:11pm

She gets into Princeton, then spends all her time bitching about it. Typical baby boomer mentality. Give me more, give me more, waaah!

164 pat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:52:16pm

re: #156 ploome hineni

Pidgin English. A mix of English, Hawaiian and Japanese.

165 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:52:52pm

I'd first seen Mrs. Obama on TV. She referred to her husband as her "baby daddy" which, in my mind, is a completely stupid phrase. That, alone, makes her a jackass.

166 pat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:53:04pm

To say I was remote, was a bit of an understatement. lol

167 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:53:07pm

Got to love the academic rigor (from page 14):

Dejoie discusses the claims of the negative effects of predominately White universities on the Black students attending those universities. Although I was unable to find empirical support for Dejoie's essay, I feel the ideas she expressed are worth some discussion.

Dejoie believes that "Institutional policies of predominately White universities have established practices which favor the prefered groups and have ranked priorities which are meant to facilitate the tasks and improve the conditions of White students while ignoring the needs of the Black students". Dr. Dejoie goes on in her study to discuss the effect of biased curricula which does not encourage, "...The contribution of Blacks, the study of Blacks, as a group"...

168 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:53:21pm

Who goes back and dings down threads that are well over a year old?

/yes, we were reminiscing last night and found the concerted effort odd

169 Idle Drifter  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:53:38pm
170 sparrowlake  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:53:57pm

re: #136 Cognito

re: #116 Killian Bundy


re: #104 Cognito

If only she had known they were whispering, "Where is her bowtie?"

/and you've accused me of awkward racial juxtapositions

Well I have to admit I don't get it. It's a reference to the proliferation of bowties at Princeton.

What's the hidden juxtaposition?

Cognito, you are disingenuous.
The Golliwog typically wore a bowtie.
http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/golliwog/

171 pat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:53:57pm

re: #165 Joan Not of Arc

I'd first seen Mrs. Obama on TV. She referred to her husband as her "baby daddy" which, in my mind, is a completely stupid phrase. That, alone, makes her a jackass.

That IS stupid. A little creepy, actually.

172 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:54:06pm

re: #166 pat

Kama'aina boondocks?

Did I spell that right?

173 gman  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:54:16pm

re: #143 Adrenalyn

I have to wonder aloud why she went to Princeton and seemed to focus on black studies and not some real academic program that had a real-world chance of getting her a job, a good job.

I mean, why not go to a black only college to learn about and get a degree in black studies.

You go to IVY league schools to get a first rate education in business, science, etc...not black studies.


She probably heard the Black Studies professors telling her what she wanted to hear:

The evil white man is keeping you down.

Joseph Sabia has an interesting take on Ethnic Studies Programs:

Ethnic studies programs — including the Africana studies department and the Latino studies program — were created to give academic cover to crackpot theories of oppression. These majors attract racial minorities by cynically playing to these students’ fears about their inability to achieve academic success in rigorous majors, alongside their White and Asian counterparts.

Ethnic studies programs are indicative of a larger problem than just the racialization of education. They are indicative of a politicization of education. There is an entire class of new majors that have no basis whatever in academic inquiry. Feminist studies, Gay studies, Latino studies, and Africana studies are not true academic fields; they are political fields where research is not done for the purpose of finding truth but for to advance an ideology.

174 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:54:18pm
175 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:54:30pm

re: #148 Killian Bundy
The only thing I know is unless you are wearing a tux, I think a bowtie on a grown man looks ridiculous.

176 David Simon  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:54:39pm

I would like to get something off my chest: I have never felt comfortable posting at LGF, and the reason is that everyone here is anti-Semitic - especially the Jewish LGFers.

177 nigella  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:55:05pm

To anyone who thinks she wrote this many, many years ago and her ideas have changed what planet are you living on? You heard her say that " For the first time in her Adult life she is proud of America " didn't you? What about "I get up every morning and wonder how I will make it through the day"? Or "All the women I know feel this way everyday"? Doesn't sound like she has changed her thinking to me.She still feels she is the victim. The evil U. S has kept her down. Yeah we really held her down...

178 Cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:55:07pm

re: #170 sparrowlake

re: #136 Cognito

re: #116 Killian Bundy


re: #104 Cognito


If only she had known they were whispering, "Where is her bowtie?"


/and you've accused me of awkward racial juxtapositions


Well I have to admit I don't get it. It's a reference to the proliferation of bowties at Princeton.What's the hidden juxtaposition?

Cognito, you are disingenuous.
The Golliwog typically wore a bowtie.
http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/golliwog/

Well. There is that.

179 WrathofG-d  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:55:21pm
180 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:55:58pm

re: #176 David Simon

WTF?

Leave out a tag?

181 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:56:00pm
182 pat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:56:01pm

re: #172 Sarge1984

Yep. And Tommoon and Kara also.

183 FightingBack  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:56:10pm

re: #174 ploome hineni

I was answering for myself, LOL.

185 his royal highness  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:56:41pm

re: #146 MandyManners

Give me a break. I'll match my conservative credentials against yours any day. But I wrote and defended a thesis when I got my masters that differs substantially from the way I view the world now - and my thesis was on a topic in international relations. Sometimes people change their minds - I know I have, quite a bit as a matter of fact.

186 Idle Drifter  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:56:45pm
187 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:56:47pm

re: #176 David Simon
Are you quite mad? Did i miss a sarcasm tag?!

188 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:56:51pm

re: #176 David Simon

Then you're an idiot.

189 solomonpanting  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:56:57pm

MO's thesis is to show that people are more comfortable with those groups with whom they have had greater contact.
Now, I'm no genius, but isn't that generally the case? Or do we need more studies?

190 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:57:00pm

re: #160 Cognito

But I'm not sure this example really works, since the hypothetical racism would be flowing the wrong direction.

Wrong direction, oh, I'm sorry, the NOI and Obama's church aren't racist to the core?

/my bad

191 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:57:46pm

re: #165 Joan Not of Arc

I'd first seen Mrs. Obama on TV. She referred to her husband as her "baby daddy" which, in my mind, is a completely stupid phrase. That, alone, makes her a jackass.

WHAT? Please, if this is not a joke, provide a link.

192 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:57:56pm
193 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:58:06pm

re: #37 tokyobk

One of my favorite books by one of my favorite writers...everyone should read it once.

194 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:58:11pm

re: #165 Joan Not of Arc

That was a joke, wasn't it?

195 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:58:29pm

re: #182 pat

re: #172 Sarge1984

Yep. And Tommoon and Kara also.

What are Tommoon and Kara?

2 years in Hawaii, I didn't get around enough, I guess...

196 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:58:33pm
197 David Simon  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:59:12pm

re: #180 Sarge1984

re: #176 David Simon

WTF?

Leave out a tag?

Was one necessary?

198 Adrenalyn  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:59:14pm

re: #173 gman

re: #143 Adrenalyn


I have to wonder aloud why she went to Princeton and seemed to focus on black studies and not some real academic program that had a real-world chance of getting her a job, a good job.

I mean, why not go to a black only college to learn about and get a degree in black studies.

You go to IVY league schools to get a first rate education in business, science, etc...not black studies.


She probably heard the Black Studies professors telling her what she wanted to hear:

The evil white man is keeping you down.

Joseph Sabia has an interesting take on Ethnic Studies Programs:


Ethnic studies programs — including the Africana studies department and the Latino studies program — were created to give academic cover to crackpot theories of oppression. These majors attract racial minorities by cynically playing to these students’ fears about their inability to achieve academic success in rigorous majors, alongside their White and Asian counterparts.

Ethnic studies programs are indicative of a larger problem than just the racialization of education. They are indicative of a politicization of education. There is an entire class of new majors that have no basis whatever in academic inquiry. Feminist studies, Gay studies, Latino studies, and Africana studies are not true academic fields; they are political fields where research is not done for the purpose of finding truth but for to advance an ideology.


well, I have to say I agree to a certain extent that

the evil white man is keeping blacks down

TRUE
100%

the evil white men belong to the "democrat" party though
they keep dangling the carrot saying in effect
just vote for us this time and we'll fix all the wrongs
yeah, we got your back

199 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:59:17pm

re: #181 ploome hineni

click on the number of dings, and you can see who did the dinging

/I'm trying to be coy

200 addison  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:59:26pm

I'm going to ask a question for which I have yet to receive a clear answer: Why is Barack Obama, borne of a white mother and a black father (who abandoned him), called 'Black'? Do white people not count? Is Black blood overpowering and too strong for the White blood?

Halle Berry, mom: white, dad: black, Halle: called 'Black'.

I am truly at a loss to understand this.

Another thing is that he might be one of the few in the country who is actually 'African-American' (a term I loathe). Mother, American, father, African. So what is the issue with all the people who haven't had a relative from Africa in over three hundred years who are called 'African-American'?

201 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:59:30pm

re: #142 OldLineTexan

Many the belt of 1945 have I linked, often have I performed the bore sight and heavily have I preached the beneficence of the holy oil (but not upon the buffer).Blessed be the M-3.

202 pat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:59:35pm

re: #174 ploome hineni

actually, about 70% of my cousins are Jewish. My Great Uncle was Jewish and a number of my great aunts converted to Judaism. We now number a lot of Jews in my family. And we have pictures of them on 1900 or so in hula skirts at the docks. So you never know, do ya?

203 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:59:38pm

re: #197 David Simon

re: #180 Sarge1984


re: #176 David Simon

WTF?

Leave out a tag?


Was one necessary?

I got it, but it seems to have slipped by a few...

204 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:59:40pm

re: #197 David Simon
Yes, in that case it was.

205 FightingBack  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:59:42pm

re: #196 ploome hineni

I never would have guessed, LOL again.

206 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:59:44pm

Charles? You're not playing poker online right now, are you?

207 David Simon  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 7:59:54pm

Whoops, guess it was.

208 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:00:01pm

re: #167 Opilio

Got to love the academic rigor (from page 14):


Dejoie discusses the claims of the negative effects of predominately White universities on the Black students attending those universities. Although I was unable to find empirical support for Dejoie's essay, I feel the ideas she expressed are worth some discussion.

Dejoie believes that "Institutional policies of predominately White universities have established practices which favor the prefered groups and have ranked priorities which are meant to facilitate the tasks and improve the conditions of White students while ignoring the needs of the Black students". Dr. Dejoie goes on in her study to discuss the effect of biased curricula which does not encourage, "...The contribution of Blacks, the study of Blacks, as a group"...

Oh, no. She didn't.

ROFLMFAO!

209 Hawaiian cocoNUT  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:00:13pm

Do we know whether she was admitted to Princeton on a quota? That's a sure way to make one feel on the periphery.

210 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:00:17pm

re: #144 ploome hineni

Ploomie, this video will make you cry...but it includes photos of the passengers, and of the nazis..and more. Pull down where it says 'more' as there is so much info...and Steve Lawrence is amazing.

211 Promethea  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:00:36pm

re: #6 Ma Sands

Speaking of Michelle Obama, did you'all catch Peggy Noonan's editorial today on how Michelle gave Obama the biggest blow he got all week...?

An excellent editorial. Here's a quote from it:

Michelle Obama seems keenly aware of her struggles, of what it took to rise so high as a black woman in a white country. Fair enough. But I have wondered if it is hard for young African-Americans of her generation, having been drilled in America's sad racial history, having been told about it every day of their lives, to fully apprehend the struggles of others. I wonder if she knows that some people look at her and think "Man, she got it all." Intelligent, strong, tall, beautiful, Princeton, Harvard, black at a time when America was trying to make up for its sins and be helpful, and from a working-class family with two functioning parents who made sure she got to school.

I've noticed over the decades that the race hustlers have created a large segment of American society who feel victimized and who never stop to think that their fellow Americans have also had struggles. Everything is related to "race."

That's not good enough. As one can see from reading LGF, lots and lots of people feel insulted and put upon--for example, many members of various Christian denominations--and yet they manage to get on with their lives without bitterness.

I must admit--I first became aware of Obama when I read something in the newspaper about Michelle Obama complaining that her husband was a target if he drove into a white-run gas station. I thought to myself--this is pulling the race card about a totally imaginary situation, and I've viewed her with suspicion ever since.

I'm not saying that race could never be a problem. I'm quite cautious about pulling into gas stations on Cicero Ave. in Chicago between Midway Airport and the Eisenhower Expressway. Ditto other gas stations in iffy neighborhoods. But that's just life as it is. I don't have a chip on my shoulder because I could be a target if I didn't use normal caution.

OK, I could go on and on, but my point is: This woman is unsuited to being First Lady, especially in this era of activist First Ladies. I don't care about her student papers, but she hasn't shown any sign of personal growth.

212 Cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:00:42pm

re: #190 Killian Bundy

re: #160 Cognito

But I'm not sure this example really works, since the hypothetical racism would be flowing the wrong direction.

Wrong direction, oh, I'm sorry, the NOI and Obama's church aren't racist to the core?

/my bad

Oh, heck no. They're grade-A racists in the tradition of the Klan and Der Fuehrer.

I'm saying it just doesn't really work with my example with the Princeton muckety-mucks...

213 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:00:48pm

re: #197 David Simon

Sorry, I'm still flaunting my n00bness.

214 David Simon  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:00:51pm

re: #203 OldLineTexan

re: #197 David Simon


re: #180 Sarge1984

re: #176 David Simon
WTF?

Leave out a tag?


Was one necessary?

I got it, but it seems to have slipped by a few...

Indeed, lol.

215 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:01:15pm

re: #180 Sarge1984

re: #176 David Simon

WTF?

Leave out a tag?

Does he really need one?

216 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:01:41pm
217 addison  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:01:42pm

re: #143 Adrenalyn

I have to wonder aloud why she went to Princeton and seemed to focus on black studies and not some real academic program that had a real-world chance of getting her a job, a good job.

I mean, why not go to a black only college to learn about and get a degree in black studies.

You go to IVY league schools to get a first rate education in business, science, etc...not black studies.

Well, she did have a job paying her around $200,000 a year. "Real" job or not that is real money.

218 pat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:02:16pm

re: #195 Sarge1984

Tommoon and Kara are LGFers that also grew up in the country. Kara can be found in the Lounge where she is very popular.Tommoon and Sharmuta fight all the time. LOL

219 mattm  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:02:24pm

I guess moonbat librarians see no problem removing material when it fits their political agenda.

220 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:02:36pm

re: #185 his royal highness

re: #146 MandyManners

Give me a break. I'll match my conservative credentials against yours any day. But I wrote and defended a thesis when I got my masters that differs substantially from the way I view the world now - and my thesis was on a topic in international relations. Sometimes people change their minds - I know I have, quite a bit as a matter of fact.

Wooga. Wooga.

221 David Simon  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:03:03pm

re: #213 Sarge1984

re: #197 David Simon

Sorry, I'm still flaunting my n00bness.

No problem lol.

222 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:03:05pm

re: #152 sparrowlake

I doubt he'll take many votes from McCain.

Same here, but I am not sure if he will impact on Hussein or Shrillary. I just want Shrillary gone. McCain can make Hussein tremble in fear.

223 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:03:20pm
224 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:03:49pm

re: #216 Doug

Your avatar looks potentially rabid.

/hold still

225 David Simon  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:03:55pm

re: #216 Doug

David Simon?


lol, good one.

226 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:03:58pm

re: #218 pat

Okay, I know who Kara is. I've chatted with her a few times in the lounge.

227 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:04:05pm
228 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:04:16pm

re: #200 addison

I'm going to ask a question for which I have yet to receive a clear answer: Why is Barack Obama, borne of a white mother and a black father (who abandoned him), called 'Black'? Do white people not count? Is Black blood overpowering and too strong for the White blood?

Halle Berry, mom: white, dad: black, Halle: called 'Black'.

I am truly at a loss to understand this.

Another thing is that he might be one of the few in the country who is actually 'African-American' (a term I loathe). Mother, American, father, African. So what is the issue with all the people who haven't had a relative from Africa in over three hundred years who are called 'African-American'?

You might want to go back to the days of slavery to find that answer.

229 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:04:43pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

Tell me why ?

230 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:04:50pm

re: #126 Bloodnok

OMG! a light bulb just went off in my head!

What a perfect plan!

231 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:05:17pm

re: #223 savage_nation

Drop them onion rings off yet?

Heh.

Drink.

Beat ya to it, Sage!

232 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:05:27pm
233 wanumba  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:05:43pm

Nigerians are the fastest rising immigrant class in America. Meaning, currently most successful immigrant group overall.

Nothing like solid education, old fashioned hard work, entrepreneurial spirit and moxie. Africans do very well in the USA, they aren't chased through the streets by machete-wielding mobs, they can buy homes and not have them razed to the ground a month later because some gov't big-wig changed his mind and confiscated the land, destroying their hard-worked investments, they can

Michelle Obama can't hold a candle to these Africans who've learned how to get things done in tough places. She's hard Left - and the theology of it is crippling her. She's lived a life of pampered luxury, never been hungry while African kids work hard, going to school, helping with the family, hauling loads, weeding crops, stoically doing what's necessary to survive, but Michelle Obama who's attended the BEST schools in the United States of America, earns more money than the average American citizen of any color, whines about how she didn't feel she was part of the "In crowd." Huh? Michelle - ever seen a trailer park? A place where the inhabitants only dream of attending the local COMMUNITY COLLEGE?
Remember, the Leftie Black Politicians haven't lifted a finger to put pressure on the nations that allow slavery to persist; anti-slavery groups are routinely ignored by the Black Caucus an august group that seems to prefer manufactured hardships over real ones. Former Sudanese slaves are sticking it to Leftie Desmond Tutu for his love of Left political causes over fighting against slavery being forced on Africans. Color isn't the criteria, Africans have learned that the hard way when snubbed by their so-called "American brothers" it's LEFT that trumps all.
Africans at independence thought communism was the answer, the Way preached by European intellectuals, but it's only brought misery to their nations.

234 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:05:45pm

re: #200 addison

Why is Barack Obama, borne of a white mother and a black father (who abandoned him), called 'Black'?


It's the American concept or race; Black, white, Hispanic, Asian are all pretty distinct lines. In South America, the Caribbean and even New Orleans they have slightly more nuanced terms for varieties of race mixing that Americans simply don't use or understand (They're still plenty racist though). It's just an American cultural thing.

235 Alas  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:05:56pm

re: #159 Alas

re: #130 Sharmuta

re: #115 NY Nana

Psst, Nana- that's a moby, btw.

236 Idle Drifter  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:06:07pm

Stevie Wonder - Superstition live on Sesame Street

Yeah, it's on Sesame Street but it's one of the better videos on youtube. "Brought to you by the word FUNK"

237 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:06:12pm

re: #224 Killian Bundy

Just a perfectly calm wolf giving you a fair warning.

238 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:06:28pm
239 mikeinmd  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:07:05pm

#165 Joan Not of Arc

I'd first seen Mrs. Obama on TV. She referred to her husband as her "baby daddy" which, in my mind, is a completely stupid phrase. That, alone, makes her a jackass.

That's also the first time I'd heard of her also. She was introducing a speech of his, I don't remember where at. After she called him her "baby daddy", I rolled my eyes and changed channels. Thought at the time she'd just made herself irrelevant.

240 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:07:16pm

re: #238 savage_nation

Sweet!

Pun intended.

241 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:07:54pm
242 big L  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:08:07pm

maybe Michelle o has a screw loose. I heard their income is 1 million a year and their kids go to private school. Whoa,boy if a gop candidate sends his kids to private school. But the donks everyone expects are phoney-baloneys so no one says a thing.

I see the press circling the wagons around this blatherskite, b.s. artist, obama never have a single story of any kind about him, Not even the faith-hearing ones!

Anyway he was called Barry in shcool andearly work days.Jerk.

243 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:08:13pm

re: #223 savage_nation

hi kids

Hi, Savage!

(_*_)

244 gman  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:08:40pm

re: #198 Adrenalyn

The dems do keep us informed of color, don't they. I wonder if that is their way of keeping a lock on that particular voting block.

245 Q  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:08:59pm

Hussein/Michelle's good cop/bad cop routine is so insultingly obvious, that only wilful self-delusion may blind stupid white men (of either sex) to the truth of the matter.

246 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:09:20pm

re: #241 savage_nation

Long haul up I-5, huh? Flip Bakersfield off on the way by for me, wouldja?

247 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:10:26pm

re: #233 wanumba

Good points. There's a lot of friction in the "Black" community here in the US. Americans blacks tend to resent African and Caribbean immigrants because they're culturally different and are more interested in hard work than welfare, slave reparations and Al Sharpton.

248 ArmyAunt  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:10:30pm

re: #165 Joan Not of Arc

Well she had to connect with those in the 'hood.
Sheesh!
I heard her say that too and thought how low class can you get?

249 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:10:34pm

re: #232 ploome hineni

Sneaky fan clubs.

/what're ya gonna do?

250 yaacov ben moshe  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:10:40pm

The poor little dear-
The big bad man forced her to accept Affirmative Action and feel "out of place" (translation: undeserving) in one of the best schools in the world and she allowed herself to be poisoned by never being able to know if she was really good enough- Here's how it works

251 raidergirl  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:11:00pm

Obamanation Wow everyone is drinking the kool aid!

252 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:11:05pm
253 Promethea  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:11:08pm

re: #50 rawmuse

re: #9 lawhawk

This is important because it shows what Barack looked for in a mate, and what we can expect in Michelle as a First Lady, heaven forbid. As I said in another thread on another site, I know lots of Michelle types. Lord knows, I am sometimes surrounded by them here in SF. They are what I call the Permanent Grievance Class. No amount of white guilt will ever assuage them. They occupy high office, drive nice cars, go to the best schools (which they got in to despite lower test scores than their non-black counterparts), live in showplace mansions, make fabulous salaries (the likes of which I can only dream of), and in spite of all this, are somehow victims of a racist society. I know of no other ethnic group that gets away with this behavior, Asians do not, my Latino pals do not.

Well stated. I like the term "Permanent Grievance Class." I think it's time to call BS on this kind of thinking.

254 addison  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:11:15pm

re: #234 Killgore Trout

re: #200 addison

Why is Barack Obama, borne of a white mother and a black father (who abandoned him), called 'Black'?


...It's just an American cultural thing.

It just seems like a lie to me. And this is coming from someone a shade lighter than him.

I guess I completely missed the zeitgeist that declared 'white + black = black'. I should have paid more attention when I was little; when black and white crayons mix, the black wins. So maybe they're using crayon rules.

255 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:11:29pm
256 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:11:50pm

re: #168 Killian Bundy

Who goes back and dings down threads that are well over a year old?

/yes, we were reminiscing last night and found the concerted effort odd

re: #236 Idle Drifter

Stevie Wonder - Superstition live on Sesame Street

Yeah, it's on Sesame Street but it's one of the better videos on youtube. "Brought to you by the word FUNK"


Nice One

257 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:12:35pm

A guy on Rush's show said something very interesting. "You can not unvote a nuclear attack".Guess I should never say never. So ole McCain will get a vote from me.

258 Oingo Boingo  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:13:30pm

So, the simple idiot actually meant every word when she said she had no pride in this country.

259 Pope Insouciance IV[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:13:43pm
260 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:13:46pm

re: #256 Bloodnok

Speaking of funk...

261 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:13:50pm

re: #255 savage_nation

Crappy week at work. Chillin out with a bottle o' wine.

Playing a little online poker.

262 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:14:27pm

re: #223 savage_nation
good evening to ya!

263 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:15:17pm
264 Adrenalyn  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:15:19pm

re: #244 gman

re: #198 Adrenalyn

The dems do keep us informed of color, don't they. I wonder if that is their way of keeping a lock on that particular voting block.

they do a lot with color
if you've not seen my posts over the years
I lived in GA under Carter when blacks WERE oppressed
separate water fountains and bathrooms at school, etc...

then back to Ca and the shoe was on the other foot
in affirmative action
both very wrong
and who said 2 wrongs don't make a right ?

265 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:15:38pm
266 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:15:52pm

re: #254 addison

It just seems like a lie to me.


Yeah it's weird but I'm not sure it's necessarily a bad thing. Our (American) concept of race is pretty simplistic but I think that helps it to become an irrelevant issue. I'd rather carelessly paint with a broad brush rather than obesses over details of what term to use for someone who's 1/8th black and 1/16 Hispanic. I couldn't care less.

267 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:15:57pm

re: #252 savage_nation

Nah, don't do that. I wouldn't want the Kern County Sheriff to kick your ass

268 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:16:25pm

#259--that was harsh and rude

269 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:17:03pm

re: #268 mikeymom

Already gone.

270 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:17:17pm

thank you stinky-that was fast

271 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:17:50pm

re: #268 mikeymom

I blinked and missed it! What was it?

272 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:18:19pm

not goona say-was horrible slur

273 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:18:22pm

re: #271 Doug

An extremely inappropriate comment.

That's all I got to say about that.

274 stevieray  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:18:42pm

re: #233 wanumba

... Color isn't the criteria, Africans have learned that the hard way when snubbed by their so-called "American brothers" it's LEFT that trumps all.

Same thing with feminism and environmentalism. Adherence to leftist dogma trumps everything.

275 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:18:48pm
276 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:18:57pm

re: #265 savage_nation

I got my first just two weeks ago - in an actual game with real people. Hit it on the flop and had to check that bad-boy down the the river. No one was biting and I was last to act, so I put a crapload of chips out there like I was trying to buy the pot.

Got a caller.

consolation game, though.

Still cool.

277 Palandine  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:19:08pm

**Disaster Preparedness Tip Number Eight: Miscellaneous**

Supplies: People laughed when Homeland Security said a few years back to have plastic and duct tape. However, you want to have these items. Duct tape has a thousand and one uses, as does plastic. I like the 3-mil plastic dropcloth rolls you can get at hardware stores. You can use them to seal doors and windows in the event of a chemical spill. Keep in mind, of course, that if you button up a place tight enough, eventually you'll run out of oxygen. However, even if the risk of chemical attack is small, plastic can be used to make shelter, collect water, provide a waterproof cover for dressings, and almost anything you can imagine. Surgical masks are a good thing to have. You should have a good supply of rope, and all the basic household tools. One or more good knives is essential. A sewing kit is helpful.

Knowledge: Know how to turn off the electricity, water, and gas to your home. Take disaster preparedness courses from your local Community Emergency Response Team (CERT). Take first aid classes from the Red Cross.

If you know a disaster is coming, fill any available container with water, even if you've already stored 2 weeks' worth. Fill the bathtub, and any other containers. You can never have too much clean water.

Hide at least two weeks' worth of cash in your home. Cash is king during a disaster, when the power may be down or stores may not be able to connect to the credit card companies.

Finally, guns. A gun is a tool, not good or bad in itself. If you have one, good. If not, in most cases you can do without, both in terms of procuring food and self-defense. If you have a gun, it goes without saying that you must know how to use it properly. Take an NRA course, and go to the range often. If you live somewhere where you can't have a gun, use your imagination about how you can defend yourself. Be safe, be legal. Don't forget the ammo.

Loose lips sink ships. Keep the level of your preps to yourself. It's the moral thing to do to give charity, but it should be YOUR decision. In a disaster, you don't want hordes of people who haven't prepared to think, "Oh yeah, so and so has a stockpile of goodies." You cannot support everyone you may want to help. So, be sure that the kids in your family know to keep the preparation closet on the down low.

This concludes the disaster tip series. Follow these tips, and you should be better prepared when disaster strikes. Links to the previous seven tips below.

Disaster Preparedness Tip the Firste: WaterDisaster Preparedness Tip the Seconde: Food
Disaster Preparedness Tip the Thirde: Hygiene
Disaster Preparedness Tip Number Four: Health and First Aid Kits
Disaster Preparedness Tip Number Five: Light and Heat
Disaster Preparedness Tip Number Six; The "Go!" Bag
Disaster Preparedness Tip Number Seven: Communications and Planning

278 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:19:13pm

why is it--every time i want to say-gonna-it comes out goona? sheesh

279 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:19:23pm

re: #260 Doug

re: #256 Bloodnok

Speaking of funk...

Thank you. I haven't seen that movie in 20 years. Nothing beats Rudy Ray Moore and his out of shape knee height kung fu kicks in a Ralphs parking lot while reciting profanity filled rhymes.

"I'm the one who had the elephants roosting in trees
And had the ants wearing BVDs"

280 gman  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:19:40pm

re: #264 Adrenalyn

The foundation of all dem thinking is that "people are too stupid to help themselves". From that statement, they have built their moonbat pyramid of straw.

281 macintush  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:19:44pm

"Gimme, Gimme, Gimme!"

/Practicing my liberal-speak, in case Hilla/Bama get elected. I'll wana blend in a bit, you know...

282 Uncle Joe  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:19:58pm

re: #112 David Simon

It's always the same no matter who the "victim" is: "I refuse to assimilate; YOU must bend over backward to accomodate ME."

Yes, indeed. Also, Omarosa Obama thinks that everyone else (well, every white person) gets fully and unconditionally accepted by the snobs at Princeton and Harvard. Does she seriously believe every white person gets the red carpet rolled out for them everywhere and at all times? How incredibly ignorant.

283 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:20:56pm
284 raidergirl  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:21:45pm

Her thesis sucks! High school graduate could write a better thesis with one side of their brain!

285 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:21:56pm

From the "MAJOR CONCLUSIONS" section, page 54, in which the future Mrs. Obama shares her views of Black Culture vs. White Culture:

When I first set out to examine the attitudes of the respondents towards Blacks and Whites, I believed that the extent to which a respondent identified with the Black community would determine that individual's attitudes. In defining the concept of identification or the ability to identify with the Black community, I based my definition on the premise that there is a distinctive Black culture very different from White culture. Elements of Black culture which make it unique from White culture such as its music, its language, the struggles and a "consciousness" shared by its people may be attributed to the injustices and oppressions suffered by this race of people which are not comparable to the experiences of any other race of people through this country's history. However, with the increasing integration of Blacks into the mainstream society, many "integrated Blacks" have lost touch with the Black culture in their attempts to become adjusted and comfortable in their new culture--the White culture. Some of these Blacks are no longer able to enjoy the qualities which make Black culture so unique or are unable to openly share their culture with other Blacks because they have become so far removed from these experiences and, in some instances, ashamed of them as a result of their integration

Gggaaakk...

286 savage_nation's mean cousin  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:22:33pm

My cousin sucks.

287 WrathofG-d  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:22:39pm

Dang, newbies...

288 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:23:07pm

re: #279 Bloodnok

You suppose Michelle would approve?

289 Daybrother  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:23:24pm

I will always be a mammal first and a doctor second. I have always felt out of place among the Lizards. No matter what happens or what I type I can read their electronic whispers: "Mammal...Mammal...". I know I will never have scales and yet, I am torn between wanting desperately to be something I'm not on the one hand and forming a splinter "Mammal Faction" here to take over the blog and force Charles to address all my grievences on the other. Since I feel as though I don't belong, I realize that Charles is a bigot who discriminates against Mammals. He has admitted as much: When he moved his secret lair, he left Sasha, a mammal, behind. Sure, he explained it away by saying she wandered off, but there is no proof of that. Yes, Michelle has opened my eyes AND kindled the HOPE™ that soon I will feel better about myself and everyone who made me feel bad will be punished.

290 Alas  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:24:14pm

The crush on Obama, like all crushes, has a limited shelf life. Then Obama will be crushed, too late for Hillary but not too late for McCain.

291 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:24:20pm
292 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:24:50pm

re: #283 savage_nation

Feels good, don't it?

293 raidergirl  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:25:07pm

#286 savage_nation's mean co
Good one!

294 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:25:29pm

re: #281 macintush

Lefty wants free stuff!

295 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:25:35pm

re: #216 Doug
That really wasn't nice! HEY PLAY NICE1:)

296 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:26:15pm
297 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:26:20pm

re: #289 Daybrother

Take your warm blooded hairy ass outta here, monkey boy.
/

298 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:27:03pm
299 Idle Drifter  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:27:09pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

Self empowerment , dignity and determination are Victimology's worst enemies.

300 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:27:19pm

re: #283 savage_nation

I've been playing poker almost 30 years and the closest I ever got to a royal was a king high straight flush in clubs. There was about 200 bucks in the pot.

I could tell you about a $1000++ hand that I lost barely to a to a royal flush.

/took a lot of talking and several more hours of Guts to straighten the situation out

301 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:27:23pm

re: #281 macintush

"Gimme, Gimme, Gimme!"
/Practicing my liberal-speak, in case Hilla/Bama get elected. I'll wana blend in a bit, you know...

Join a band, like this one.

/

302 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:27:41pm

Who washes the toilets at Princeton?
I can bet it's a bunch of Mexican guys.
And most of them write home saying: "Hey mom, I got a good job now! Go to Elektra (partner of W.U. here) and pick up 200 dollars I'm sending!"

Hehehehe.
Our mental and spiritual attitude is a whole world saner and healthier than hers.

Keep on wallowing in your misery sister, while we keep on building houses and opening business down here...by washing toilets!

We're years light ahead of you as for being happy with life.
:)

/Let me tell you mom, those darn gringos are nice, after all.

303 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:27:56pm
304 DesertSage  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:28:14pm

re: #294 Sarge1984

re: #281 macintush

Lefty wants free stuff!

Sarge, the entire correct quote is- "Lefty just wants free stuff"

305 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:28:16pm
306 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:28:59pm
307 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:29:05pm

re: #299 Idle Drifter

Although I'm not a conservative (really) I really like black conservative thinkers. They are the way to prosperity and happiness for the black community.

308 wee fury  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:29:14pm

An unintended conversation with a 60ish transplanted former California individual today:
TFCI: Do you follow politics?
me: Yeah.
TFCI: I have waited for this moment for the past 40 years! Two oppressed minorities running for President -- a woman and a black man! I must admit I am for Obama.
me: Oh.
TFCI: Can you imagine? Women couldn't vote until the 1920's and blacks couldn't vote until the late 1960's after the civil rights movement. And, here they are -- both running for President. I am so excited!
me: Blacks could vote before the 1960's.
TFCI: No, I don't think so.
me: Google it.
GAK.

309 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:29:22pm

re: #304 DesertSage

re: #303 savage_nation

Okay, okay, my bad. Just don't report me!

310 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:29:57pm
311 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:29:57pm

re: #300 Killian Bundy
play money ,RIGHT?

312 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:30:08pm

re: #306 savage_nation

I can attest to that savage
Hahahahaha.

313 Promethea  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:30:14pm

re: #109 gman

re: #103 His Royal Highness

I'm confused - is she running for President or is her husband? The wives/spouses of political candidates really don't concern me - the candidates do.
That's what I thought until Hillary showed up.

Rosalyn Carter was an active participant in Jimmy's administration. Some of the results were quite bad. Too bad I wasn't paying attention at that time. :-(

314 cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:30:51pm

re: #304 DesertSage

Yeah, I was about to step in there with the authentic quote, but I figured you might be around.

That slogan grows on me every time I hear it. It's so closely chiseled that even word out of place just lessens the impact...

"Lefty just wants free stuff!"™

315 DesertSage  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:31:23pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

re: #299 Idle Drifter

Although I'm not a conservative (really) I really like black conservative thinkers. They are the way to prosperity and happiness for the black community.

Killgore, a Classical Liberal is considered a Conservative nowadays.
I believe that's what you are.

316 cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:31:27pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

re: #299 Idle Drifter

Although I'm not a conservative (really) I really like black conservative thinkers. They are the way to prosperity and happiness for the black community.

Sure do wish McCain would take a good look at JC Watts.

317 Idle Drifter  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:31:34pm
318 StinkHammer  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:32:04pm

re: #279 Bloodnok

re: #260 Doug


re: #256 Bloodnok

Speaking of funk...


Thank you. I haven't seen that movie in 20 years. Nothing beats Rudy Ray Moore and his out of shape knee height kung fu kicks in a Ralphs parking lot while reciting profanity filled rhymes.

"I'm the one who had the elephants roosting in trees
And had the ants wearing BVDs"

MAD TV has done some awesome Dolemite parodies.

319 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:32:18pm

re: #289 Daybrother

I will always be a mammal first and a doctor second. I have always felt out of place among the Lizards. No matter what happens or what I type I can read their electronic whispers: "Mammal...Mammal...". I know I will never have scales and yet, I am torn between wanting desperately to be something I'm not on the one hand and forming a splinter "Mammal Faction" here to take over the blog and force Charles to address all my grievences on the other. Since I feel as though I don't belong, I realize that Charles is a bigot who discriminates against Mammals. He has admitted as much: When he moved his secret lair, he left Sasha, a mammal, behind. Sure, he explained it away by saying she wandered off, but there is no proof of that. Yes, Michelle has opened my eyes AND kindled the HOPE™ that soon I will feel better about myself and everyone who made me feel bad will be punished.

SPANKINGS?

320 addison  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:32:28pm

re: #266 Killgore Trout

re: #254 addison

It just seems like a lie to me.


Yeah it's weird but I'm not sure it's necessarily a bad thing. Our (American) concept of race is pretty simplistic but I think that helps it to become an irrelevant issue. I'd rather carelessly paint with a broad brush rather than obesses over details of what term to use for someone who's 1/8th black and 1/16 Hispanic. I couldn't care less.

Oh, I hope you didn't infer that I wanted granularity about his race. I do not care the slightest about someone's race (Reason #34 Democrats have no appeal to me). The only reason I mention his is that he is presented as 'black' as though he were generated by binary fusion from a Kenyan man and his mother took no part in it.

321 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:32:32pm

re: #307 Killgore Troutwhat about white conservatve women?

322 DesertSage  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:32:50pm

re: #314 cognito

Thanks Cog, I'm just trying to keep things authentic.

323 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:32:56pm

Sage
I read today that producers of mezcal are joining together to make a very aggresive campaign inviting people to drink their product.
So ambicious that it has been layed out up till 2010.

I wonder why I thought of you...
;)

324 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:32:57pm

re: #300 Killian Bundy

Even though I've always done "well" at that game, I hate playing it.

It's like crack.

325 sparrowlake  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:33:07pm

re: #190 Killian Bundy

See #178, I believe it will assist you.

326 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:33:09pm

re: #311 beachkatie

play money ,RIGHT?

No, definitely meat play.

/on hostile turf

327 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:33:17pm

re: #310 savage_nation

Oh, HELL no. Did that too many times already!

I (state your full name), do solemnly swear...

328 pat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:34:06pm

I have been thru 4 Hurricanes , a coupe of tsunamies and a couple of earthquakes. After Iniki (227 mph winds when it touched land), the FEMA guy flying over said " How come everybody without a house already has tarps, tents, stoves and repairs/" We all laughed.

329 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:34:08pm

re: #302 MigueldowninMexico

Agreed. Somebody (who shall remain nameless) posted a link the other day lamenting the future decline of whites in America. I say bring it on. Hispanics bring a great work ethic and Asians value education, math and science. "White" America disparately needs an influx of different cultures if we have any hope of survival.

330 Bob Munck  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:34:12pm

re: #302 MigueldowninMexico

Who washes the toilets at Princeton?

Dartmouth and Cornell grads, mostly.

331 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:34:30pm
re: #72 OldLineTexan

re: #67 FamHistoryGuy

re: #62 Idle Drifter

I believe in St. Bill of Ruger.

Infidel! The Prophet is John Moses Browning.

Absolutely!
Proud member of the Order of the High Power.

332 DesertSage  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:34:38pm

re: #316 cognito

Sure do wish McCain would take a good look at JC Watts.

Or Michael Steele.

333 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:34:44pm

Mandy Manners, I'm sorry- I'm not sure where I could find the actual footage of her using the phrase "baby daddy", but I assure you, she did. She was introducing her husband. Any university-educated person - especially someone with a spouse running for president - should be barred from using that phrase. Actually, everybody should. It makes me cringe. It's so low-class, in my opinion. Don't they have advisers for that kind of thing?

334 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:34:46pm

re: #319 MandyManners

re: #289 Daybrother

I will always be a mammal first and a doctor second. I have always felt out of place among the Lizards. No matter what happens or what I type I can read their electronic whispers: "Mammal...Mammal...". I know I will never have scales and yet, I am torn between wanting desperately to be something I'm not on the one hand and forming a splinter "Mammal Faction" here to take over the blog and force Charles to address all my grievences on the other. Since I feel as though I don't belong, I realize that Charles is a bigot who discriminates against Mammals. He has admitted as much: When he moved his secret lair, he left Sasha, a mammal, behind. Sure, he explained it away by saying she wandered off, but there is no proof of that. Yes, Michelle has opened my eyes AND kindled the HOPE™ that soon I will feel better about myself and everyone who made me feel bad will be punished.

SPANKINGS?

Uhhh..., Mandy? Where did you get spankings out of that?

/just, like, wondering...

335 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:34:53pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

re: #302 MigueldowninMexico

Agreed. Somebody (who shall remain nameless) posted a link the other day lamenting the future decline of whites in America. I say bring it on. Hispanics bring a great work ethic and Asians value education, math and science. "White" America disparately needs an influx of different cultures if we have any hope of survival.

Dinged you up for this ;)

336 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:34:57pm

re: #324 Noam Sayin'
So is nacho cheese dip and nachos SAy's a friend!:)

337 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:35:20pm

re: #315 DesertSage

Yes, I am but I see no need to tag my liberalism with the classical thing.

338 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:35:22pm
339 rwmofo  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:36:04pm

Hey, look who turned 40 today.

If I remember correctly, she contributed somewhat to getting Obama elected to the Senate. Regardless, I can think of two reasons why I'm a fan of hers - if ya know what I'm sayin'.

340 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:36:43pm

re: #321 beachkatie

what about white conservatve women?


Hmmm, I don't really dig conservative chicks that much. Not sure why.

341 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:36:50pm

re: #326 Killian Bundy
OMG. tax time coming up TO!

342 imampatrol[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:36:57pm
343 macintush  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:37:01pm

re: #301 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #281 macintush

"Gimme, Gimme, Gimme!"
/Practicing my liberal-speak, in case Hilla/Bama get elected. I'll wana blend in a bit, you know...

Join a band, like this one.

/

I'm not sure Michelle would be comfortable with this band, according to her thesis. OTOH, me and two other "pigmentally challenged" youts went to an Earth Wind and Fire concert in Nashville in about 1980, -like 'lint on a tuxedo' we was...

344 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:37:08pm

re: #330 Bob Munck

re: #302 MigueldowninMexico


Who washes the toilets at Princeton?

Dartmouth and Cornell grads, mostly.

Really?
That's racism!
Toilets for Mexicans NOW!

It figures, no afirmative action there.
Let's seethe!

/Oops... nobody cares among my people LOL
They rather have a good time than seethe.

//here's hoping there are no D. or C. graduates reading this thread lol

345 StinkHammer  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:37:10pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout


"White" America disparately needs an influx of different cultures if we have any hope of survival.

As someone who usually agrees with you Killgore, I think that's a bit hyperbolic.

346 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:37:17pm

re: #335 MigueldowninMexico

Dinged you up for this


Dinged you up for that.

347 DesertSage  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:37:19pm

re: #323 MigueldowninMexico

Sage
I read today that producers of mezcal are joining together to make a very aggresive campaign inviting people to drink their product.
So ambicious that it has been layed out up till 2010.

I wonder why I thought of you...
;)

Thanks Miguel. I guess I'm famous on LGF for two things- The quote: "Lefty just wants free stuff" and Mezcal.

Other than that, I have no idea what I'm doing here?

348 cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:37:37pm

re: #332 DesertSage

re: #316 cognito

Sure do wish McCain would take a good look at JC Watts.

Or Michael Steele.

Or my personal choice, Lee L. Mercer, Jr.

Aw yeah. Take a good look. Can't lose.

349 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:37:43pm
350 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:38:05pm

re: #340 Killgore Trout

re: #321 beachkatie

what about white conservatve women?


Hmmm, I don't really dig conservative chicks that much. Not sure why.

Are you CRAZY?

351 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:38:28pm

re: #316 cognito

McChange can look at whatever he wants but he still stinks.

352 raidergirl  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:38:41pm

Hey Miguel, hook a girl up!

353 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:39:03pm

re: #333 Joan Not of Arc

Mandy Manners, I'm sorry- I'm not sure where I could find the actual footage of her using the phrase "baby daddy", but I assure you, she did. She was introducing her husband. Any university-educated person - especially someone with a spouse running for president - should be barred from using that phrase. Actually, everybody should. It makes me cringe. It's so low-class, in my opinion. Don't they have advisers for that kind of thing?

I might be stepping over some line but, I IMPLORE YOU TO REPUDIATE WHAT YOU HAVE POSTED SINCE IT IS UTTERLY ABHORRENT.

354 addison  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:39:07pm

re: #339 rwmofo

Hey, look who turned 40 today.

If I remember correctly, she contributed somewhat to getting Obama elected to the Senate. Regardless, I can think of two reasons why I'm a fan of hers - if ya know what I'm sayin'.

Obama owes his Senate seat (and subsequent presidential run) to the media delving into Jack Ryan's life. Funny how with Bill Clinton it supposedly wasn't worth mentioning...right, he had a 'D' by his name.

355 erevu  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:39:10pm
no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me

Gee, do you think maybe that might make you realize that it's liberals who are soaked with identity politics, not conservatives? Maybe? Oh, I'm sorry, that'd be open-minded.

356 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:39:11pm

re: #339 rwmofo

Men... enticed by flesh and decadence, *shakes head*.

/lol.

357 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:39:13pm

re: #347 DesertSage

re: #323 MigueldowninMexico


Sage
I read today that producers of mezcal are joining together to make a very aggresive campaign inviting people to drink their product.
So ambicious that it has been layed out up till 2010.

I wonder why I thought of you...
;)


Thanks Miguel. I guess I'm famous on LGF for two things- The quote: "Lefty just wants free stuff" and Mezcal.

Other than that, I have no idea what I'm doing here?

You're a very nice fellow.
Stop that :p

358 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:39:15pm

re: #340 Killgore Trout
I'm so glad of that so the world will carry on with out the likes of atheist.

359 raidergirl  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:39:22pm

Sorry, just fuckin with ya'll!

360 WrathofG-d  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:39:23pm

Hmmm. Its so sad how far we haven't come in the America on the issue of race...isn't it obvious that we have not progressed much from the days of Slavery & Seperate but equal when a Black woman can only study at Princeton.

361 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:39:31pm

Just returned from playing my second game today of "call of duty"... which in my case refers to "shoveling the driveway"..

/sigh

Time for a beer.. CHANGE!

362 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:39:41pm

re: #346 Killgore Trout

re: #335 MigueldowninMexico


Dinged you up for this

Dinged you up for that.

Ha!
Copycat!

363 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:40:01pm

re: #350 Doug

Eh, I just think of Coulter and Dr. Schlessinger and I'm left limp.

364 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:40:03pm

re: #334 Sarge1984

Read the last line!

365 m  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:40:05pm

re: #340 Killgore Trout

Thanks KT! We love you too!

/the conservative chick clique.

366 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:40:09pm
367 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:40:12pm

re: #352 raidergirl

Hey Miguel, hook a girl up!

How about...about...
YOU?

;)

368 sparrowlake  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:40:17pm

re: #197 David Simon

re: #180 Sarge1984


re: #176 David Simon

WTF?

Leave out a tag?


Was one necessary?

Yes it was, IMO, and certainly also from the reactions of several others. The problem may have been that your sense of humor is so
well-developed that ordinary LGFers simply missed the tongue in your cheek.

369 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:40:17pm

re: #343 macintush

Was mostly thinking of the band's name, one of the weirdest ones I've ever heard. First came out during the Clinton admin.

/go figure

370 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:40:25pm

man--who let in all the mobys? STINKY_WAKE UP

371 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:40:32pm

OK. Even though it's no longer on-topic in this thread, here's one last strange quote from The Thesis (admittedly out-of-context):

For example, a Black person may have all White friends and prefer these friends and their activities to those with Blacks without the individual believing that he/she is White.

Thank you for clearing that up for us.

372 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:40:48pm
373 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:40:48pm

re: #342 imampatrol

I take issue with what you're posting. I think you're drawing conclusions based on racial generalities, and I think it's bigoted.

374 pat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:41:10pm

In my State over 50% of marriages are inter-racial/inter-ethnic. But we don't have any of this crazy Muslim shit. Did you read Iran's Parliament is trying to pass a law that all apostates all over the world are to be killed?

375 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:41:26pm

re: #341 beachkatie

OMG. tax time coming up TO!

It was many years ago, I lived.

/but yeah, my tax bill is going to be five figures

376 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:41:28pm

re: #366 savage_nation

But I think in the case of Reese Witherspoon "the engine's running, but there's nobody behind the wheel".

/got that impression from attempting to watch several of her movies.

377 DesertSage  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:41:37pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

re: #315 DesertSage

Yes, I am but I see no need to tag my liberalism with the classical thing.

Because Leftists have appropriated the word 'Liberal' to mean something completely different than the true 'Classical' meaning. Leftists have sullied the word and the meaning.
So, unless you want to be confused with a Leftist, then the prefix 'Classical' would be appropriate.

Just looking out for you buddy.

378 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:41:55pm

re: #365 m

I'll make an exception for you.

379 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:42:09pm

re: #363 Killgore Trout

Change your mind yet?

380 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:42:12pm
381 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:42:32pm

re: #374 pat

In my State over 50% of marriages are inter-racial/inter-ethnic. But we don't have any of this crazy Muslim shit. Did you read Iran's Parliament is trying to pass a law that all apostates all over the world are to be killed?

Ugh.
It's horrible, but I'm not surprised.
After all, that's what they want. Two kinds of people: muslims and dead.

382 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:42:39pm

re: #377 DesertSage

So, unless you want to be confused with a Leftist, then the prefix 'Classical' would be appropriate.


I think I enjoy the confusion.

383 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:42:56pm

"I am America. I am the part you won't recognize, but get used to me. Black, confident, cocky -- my name, not yours. My religion, not yours. My goals, my own. Get used to me."

Muhammad Ali

384 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:42:57pm

re: #368 sparrowlake

It became apparent later on that it was an entirely sarcastic remark.

385 IPLaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:42:59pm

“I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don’t belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second.”

Yet again, another liberal who peers at the threshold of individualism, sees the moral, ethical, and intellectual agency that it takes to be an individual, and then runs away screaming like a dumb blond in a cheap horror movie.

386 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:43:16pm

re: #363 Killgore Trout

Indeed.

387 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:43:37pm

re: #349 savage_nation

I went to tech school in Denver in Dec '65. Aircraft armament.

388 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:43:53pm

re: #304 DesertSage

"Lefty just wants free stuff"

I want free stuff too, but I guess the difference between me and Lefty is that I don't just want free stuff.

That, and when I get free stuff I usually say "Wow, aren't I lucky! Thanks!", whereas Lefty usually says "Damn straight, I'm entitled! Keep it comin' if you know what's good for ya!"

389 addison  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:44:20pm

re: #366 savage_nation

re: #339 rwmofo

She is insanely gorgeous. Her and Reese Witherspoon

Agree on the former, not remotely on the latter.

390 pat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:44:23pm

re: #381 MigueldowninMexico

re: #374 pat

In my State over 50% of marriages are inter-racial/inter-ethnic. But we don't have any of this crazy Muslim shit. Did you read Iran's Parliament is trying to pass a law that all apostates all over the world are to be killed?

Ugh.
It's horrible, but I'm not surprised.
After all, that's what they want. Two kinds of people: muslims and dead.

Wonder how long Chavez will be buddies?

391 raidergirl  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:44:36pm

Obamanation+abomination, loving that! Goodnight lizards, really really really talk amongnst yourselves!

392 WrathofG-d  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:44:37pm

This ting on?

393 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:45:00pm

re: #368 sparrowlake

Just a gentle reminder: David Simon's lizard teeth are pretty well honed here.

(((sparrowlake)))

394 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:45:14pm

re: #388 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #304 DesertSage


"Lefty just wants free stuff"

I want free stuff too, but I guess the difference between me and Lefty is that I don't just want free stuff.

That, and when I get free stuff I usually say "Wow, aren't I lucky! Thanks!", whereas Lefty usually says "Damn straight, I'm entitled! Keep it comin' if you know what's good for ya!"

Plus, we know deep inside that in reality "there's no free lunch"
Someone always pays.
And lefty doesn't give a hoot of who's the footer of the bill.

395 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:45:15pm
396 pat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:45:17pm

re: #391 raidergirl

Nite Raider.

397 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:45:19pm

re: #342 imampatrol

Please stand by the stairs. The Pusher Robot will be with you shortly.

398 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:45:19pm

re: #379 Doug
Thank you Dough but my hair is a little darker than that!

399 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:45:24pm
“further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.”

The big divide in the Country isn't between black and white as much as it is between rich and poor. Do you think a typical well off white couple would rather go to a party with or play golf with or invite over for dinner a wealthy African American couple or some white trash from a dumpy shack out in the sticks? Race isn't as much the separator as income level is. Sure a lot of African Americans are poor (just as a lot of Caucasian Americans are) and most middle class or rich white people would likely not make the effort to befriend them or strike up a conversation with them, but it won't because of race. From what I can tell rich people of any race just don't like being around poor people of any race.

400 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:45:32pm

re: #389 addison

Maybe because Ryan's taller?

401 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:45:42pm

Lizards would appreciate this song

Kansas--Can I Tell You

402 Daybrother  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:45:54pm

RE: #297 Killgore Trout
...Yes, even now the insults fly.

RE: #319 MandyManners
Yes. Spankings, but only for people that don't want them. First thing: Everyone who is 18 will now be 19. Then, all citizens must wear their underwear on the outside every Tuesday...we will check. Mammals who go commando will be exempt on Cultural grounds.

403 addison  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:45:59pm

For those wanting to have proof of the "baby's daddy" quote. Note: baby's, not baby.

[Link: transcripts.cnn.com...]

404 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:46:03pm
405 WrathofG-d  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:46:13pm

Hmmm guess not...Ok I'm out then

So Long, LGF

406 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:46:17pm

re: #390 pat

re: #381 MigueldowninMexico


re: #374 pat

In my State over 50% of marriages are inter-racial/inter-ethnic. But we don't have any of this crazy Muslim shit. Did you read Iran's Parliament is trying to pass a law that all apostates all over the world are to be killed?

Ugh.
It's horrible, but I'm not surprised.
After all, that's what they want. Two kinds of people: muslims and dead.

Wonder how long Chavez will be buddies?

Chavez said he was not selling oil to Exxon. A few days later he says he never said that LOL
He might backtrack on muslims too, if he finds them too spooky.

407 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:46:20pm

re: #364 MandyManners

Mandy? Have you been naughty?

**Beavis and Butthead laugh**

408 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:46:22pm

wrath--you're breaking up! can you hear me? wrath?

409 Cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:46:40pm

re: #383 WayDownSouthInBama

"I am America. I am the part you won't recognize, but get used to me. Black, confident, cocky -- my name, not yours. My religion, not yours. My goals, my own. Get used to me."

Muhammad Ali

Funny, that actually doesn't really bother me. Your name, your religion, your goals -- fine by me. At least he was honest.

410 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:46:53pm

re: #391 raidergirl

Obamanation+abomination, loving that! Goodnight lizards, really really really talk amongnst yourselves!

Good night raidergirl! ;)

411 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:46:57pm
412 m  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:47:23pm

re: #378 Killgore Trout

Kick ass~ I guess I'll just go ahead and delete the response I had all typed out for 363 :)

:-D

Hey [[[Savage]]]! How ya doin?

413 Cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:47:34pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout

re: #342 imampatrol

Please stand by the stairs. The Pusher Robot will be with you shortly.

Unf. Unf. Unf. Unf.

414 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:48:06pm

re: #366 savage_nation

re: #339 rwmofo


Hey, look who turned 40 today.

If I remember correctly, she contributed somewhat to getting Obama elected to the Senate. Regardless, I can think of two reasons why I'm a fan of hers - if ya know what I'm sayin'.

She is insanely gorgeous. Her and Reese Witherspoon

I would place Reese Witherspoon more into the "cute as a button" category.

415 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:48:06pm
416 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:48:18pm

re: #373 Sarge1984

re: #342 imampatrol

I take issue with what you're posting. I think you're drawing conclusions based on racial generalities, and I think it's bigoted.

It's been deleted.

417 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:48:27pm

re: #411 savage_nation
YES i'm at a beach at Camp Lejeune!

418 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:48:48pm

To defeat teh Pusher Robot you have to pull out its bubble memory card. Everyone knows that.

419 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:48:56pm

re: #398 beachkatie

Are you a conservative female hottie?

I'm available.

420 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:49:11pm

savage--how is your dad?

421 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:49:15pm

re: #217 addison

How is it that I earn less than half what she did and went to a Big 10 school and am proud of my country? What exactly is the calculus here? Does an extra 100K and an Ivy league education not cancel out my white maleness? Rhetorical question, I already know the answer.

422 pbird  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:49:15pm

re: #165 Joan Not of Arc

I'd first seen Mrs. Obama on TV. She referred to her husband as her "baby daddy" which, in my mind, is a completely stupid phrase. That, alone, makes her a jackass.

Amen and a half!

423 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:49:23pm
424 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:49:57pm

re: #419 Doug
GET IN SHAPE BABY!

425 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:50:03pm

re: #345 StinkHammer

re: #329 Killgore Trout



"White" America disparately needs an influx of different cultures if we have any hope of survival.

As someone who usually agrees with you Killgore, I think that's a bit hyperbolic.

We need immigrants.

That assimilate, raise fat lazy American kids, and make room for the next wave. ;)

My recent immigrant ancestors came to Texas and "burned the ships", figuratively at least.

We don't need "guest workers". Look at how well that has worked out in Germany and get back to me.

If you want to come to this country (legally), work towards citizenship, work, study, contribute, raise a family, etc. ...because you want to be an American...welcome, neighbor!

If not, we don't need you.

426 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:50:37pm

re: #424 beachkatie

Look closely, (that's not really me).

427 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:51:00pm
428 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:51:33pm
429 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:51:41pm

re: #426 DougWere did that come from?

430 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:52:14pm

re: #416 reine.de.tout

Thanks, reine.
I tend to get caught up in the conversations and don't check up-thread for deletions.

431 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:52:15pm

sav-sounds like my f-i-l last weeks--prayers to you and yours and dad

432 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:52:33pm

re: #375 Killian Bundy

re: #341 beachkatie


OMG. tax time coming up TO!

It was many years ago, I lived.

/but yeah, my tax bill is going to be five figures

I believe my tax bill this year may approach twice my gross starting salary from 20-some years ago...

Not complaining -- just sayin'

433 m  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:52:40pm

re: #427{ {savage_nation} } - I'm so sorry Savage. We're going through the same thing with my Grams :(

*sigh*

434 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:52:52pm
435 pat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:52:54pm

Did any of you know that The Monster From The Black Lagoon was from Hawaii? Chapman was. He died today. He loved his role. He was a successful business man after he came back home.

436 addison  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:52:55pm

re: #400 mitthrawnurdo

re: #389 addison

Maybe because Ryan's taller?

No, I don't think that's it. This is such a subjective thing--I've never found her attractive (same for Julia Roberts). For me, it's Jeri Ryan, Halle Berry, Dagmara Dominczyk (Mercedes from Count of Monte Cristo)...I think Jada Pinkett's quite pretty, too.

437 Daybrother  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:53:13pm

RE: #296 Doug
Same to you Greenie. Go back to exploiting the Mexicans by eating their food at Guero's or driving on Guadalupe.

438 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:53:15pm
439 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:53:23pm

re: #425 OldLineTexan

Sorry but you're wrong.
You can not give up the millions of Mexicans that work up there.
Your economy will suffer.
And there are not enough spaces for people to become immigrants, by far.

Mexicans send 25 billion a year to Mexico.
That means they create at the very least 200 billion of wealth for the American economy.

440 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:53:52pm

SMOOCH to mom-and you- hang tough

441 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:53:55pm

Sorry...OT

I just read a story from Drudge about what the "stars" are doing to get ready for the Oscars. A pretty long article. I read every word.

Right now;.. at this moment;.. I feel stupider than I have in my existence on the planet Earth.

I am dumber now, than I was ten minutes ago.

Crap.

442 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:54:06pm

re: #422 pbird

re: #165 Joan Not of Arc

I'd first seen Mrs. Obama on TV. She referred to her husband as her "baby daddy" which, in my mind, is a completely stupid phrase. That, alone, makes her a jackass.

Amen and a half!

Thats a lameass attempt to get some street cred. Rich people of any color always look really really stupid when they try pandering to the hip hop crowd by using street lingo. She kind of reminds me of the nerdy white cop on Sanford and Son who always butchered the street language.

443 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:54:53pm

re: #434 savage_nation

re: #431 mikeymom


sav-sounds like my f-i-l last weeks--prayers to you and yours and dad

Thank you. Mom thanks you too. Shes looking over my shoulder right now.


Please give her my regards. I'm praying for your family.
{savage}

444 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:54:55pm

re: #418 Mich-again

To defeat teh Pusher Robot you have to pull out its bubble memory card. Everyone knows that.

"I know you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen."

445 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:55:10pm

re: #410 MigueldowninMexico

Hey Miguel...I've been meaning to ask. What's the latest on the narcoinsurgency down there? One of the things that's been puzzling me is why the cartels are whacking the Narcocorrido musicians down there...I mean, at face value, it looks like they would be on the same side. Or is it a matter of them knowing too much and incorporating some of that into their music and that is the cartel's way of shutting them up?

446 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:55:29pm

re: #424 beachkatie

re: #429 beachkatie

Hint: it's a fat communist whale from Massachusetts.

This is more like me.

447 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:55:32pm

re: #432 Opilio
Good for you ! HOPE democrats don't take every thing from you! You earned every bet of it right?

448 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:55:33pm

if MO said--"my babies daddy" instead of "baby daddy-- well-worls of difference-can someone clarify?

449 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:55:50pm
450 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:56:03pm

re: #427 savage_nation

re: #420 mikeymom


savage--how is your dad?

Good and bad. Lucid some days and other days he doesn't know where he is. Today seems to be a good day.


Sorry to hear this. My mom passed away New Year's Eve, and my dad is on a downhill slide. Prayers going out for you and your family.

451 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:56:16pm
452 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:56:31pm

re: #446 Doug
Nice!

453 gman  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:56:38pm

Moonbats love Obama (warning- a bit creepy)

Btw- best ever pic of moonbat has got to be this one from zombie
(guy in purple shirt half way down page)

454 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:56:48pm
455 addison[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:56:57pm
456 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:57:00pm

and prayers and toughts to you too reine

457 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:57:08pm

re: #407 Sarge1984

re: #364 MandyManners

Mandy? Have you been naughty?

**Beavis and Butthead laugh**

Beats me.

458 macintush  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:57:16pm

Heh: Sen. Warner Calls For Hearing on Obama's Taliban Claims

Warner to Obama- "Bring it."

459 sparrowlake  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:57:17pm

re: #393 MandyManners

OK, thanks. Not being familiar with DS, I did not appreciate the sarcasm because of the lack of context or reference to a previous comment.
(((Mandy)))

460 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:57:29pm

re: #395 savage_nation

re: #387 FamHistoryGuy


re: #349 savage_nation

I went to tech school in Denver in Dec '65. Aircraft armament.


I was in electronics school. 32232 was my job classification. Avionics Sensor Systems Specialist. Tore apart radar on F4E's

My dad was a radar tech, among other things, but that was the main one. They used to let me in the shop, sometimes. After the F-4 was retired, they went to F-16s and there was no shop, just a bunch of cargo containers strung together for a long time.

461 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:57:34pm

thoughts too reine

462 Idle Drifter  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:57:45pm

Something something something hope something something something something change.

463 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:57:48pm

re: #437 Daybrother

I suppose this is what you eat.

FOAD.

464 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:57:59pm

re: #445 Fenway_Nation

re: #410 MigueldowninMexico

Hey Miguel...I've been meaning to ask. What's the latest on the narcoinsurgency down there? One of the things that's been puzzling me is why the cartels are whacking the Narcocorrido musicians down there...I mean, at face value, it looks like they would be on the same side. Or is it a matter of them knowing too much and incorporating some of that into their music and that is the cartel's way of shutting them up?


It's simplier, I'd say.
Usually, if you get some drugs on credit and you don't pay back...you're dead, regardless of who you are.

Those guys have -perhaps- gotten sizable amounts, in order to resell, and then they didn't pay when required. They thought their fame will protect them or something.
Actually there were about four cases, and it seems there have been no further ones, which would support my thesis even more.

465 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:58:18pm

Mandy Manners- repudiate what? The "baby daddy" thing? Deny that Mrs. Obama has common sense? I thought I had.

466 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:58:35pm

re: #395 savage_nation

I loaded lots of bombs on F-4s at Ubon in '71. Worked maint control there in 73 and dispatched a few techs for ROPE and RAM and SLAM.

467 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:58:36pm

re: #302 MigueldowninMexico

While saying hi to my amigo Miguel, I would point out that he has made a very good point, in that, it is more important to be happy. Happiness is a moral imperative. Without happiness, we all are, well, miserable. Miserable people are not happy and tend to blame others for their misery. Especially those in the Permanent Grievance Class.

468 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:58:41pm

re: #449 savage_nation

re: #443 MigueldowninMexico


re: #434 savage_nation

re: #431 mikeymom

sav-sounds like my f-i-l last weeks--prayers to you and yours and dad

Thank you. Mom thanks you too. Shes looking over my shoulder right now.

Please give her my regards. I'm praying for your family.
{savage}

Mom is finding out right now who my friends are. Your on the short list :)

That's an honor :)
;)

469 Daybrother  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:59:02pm

#463 Doug
I do not eat your brains.

470 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:59:14pm

re: #454 savage_nation

No, but thank you!

471 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:59:19pm

re: #452 beachkatie

Can I see yours now?

472 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:59:32pm
473 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:59:38pm

re: #457 MandyManners

I really like you. I'm giggling like a school girl here. Thanks, I needed it.

474 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 8:59:54pm

re: #456 mikeymom

thank you!

475 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:00:08pm
476 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:00:22pm

re: #461 mikeymom

thoughts too reine

Allow me to be solidary with your feeling here.
Prayers for you reine, also.

477 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:00:42pm

re: #469 Daybrother

Then eat this, Libtard.

478 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:00:46pm

re: #462 Idle Drifter

Something something something hope something something something something change.

Drink, ...and...drink.

479 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:01:22pm
480 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:01:25pm

re: #409 Cognito

And a draft dodger.

481 Daybrother  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:01:38pm

#477 Doug
Moron.

482 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:01:50pm
483 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:02:03pm

re: #345 StinkHammer
We (White America) have become weak and soft. We have created the fattest poor people on planet earth and we've lost our work ethic and our drive. Look at who's actually "working" in this country. Next time you're eating in a restaurant take a peek into the kitchen and see who's working there. Look at who's mowing the lawns and cleaning the houses while "white" people bitch that their tech support and call center jobs are being exported overseas. There are people on planet earth willing to actually work for a living and I think it's important for us to lure them here and remind us what hard work can accomplish.

484 macintush  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:02:05pm

re: #477 Doug

Dang!

485 Palandine  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:02:18pm

re: #439 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel, no one has a problem with Mexicans who come here legally. All Americans ask is respect. It's bad for to break into someone's house, then insist they provide you with free medical care, treat any of their children born in the houuse as though they've always lived in the house, and complain when the owners of the house don't like it.

If Mexico is such a hellhole (and I don't believe it is), the Mexican people should stay there and revolt against the government. You've got great beauty, two oceans, and oil wealth. It's a crime that the Mexican government is encouraging millions of its citizens to criminally enter the United States. The Mexican people are hard workers. Surely they can translate that tenacity into a government that serves them, instead of living an illegal life of wage slavery in another country.

486 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:02:29pm

re: #476 MigueldowninMexico

thank you!

487 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:02:31pm

re: #459 sparrowlake

re: #393 MandyManners

OK, thanks. Not being familiar with DS, I did not appreciate the sarcasm because of the lack of context or reference to a previous comment.
(((Mandy)))

You're young. Zeal is a good thing.

489 Cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:02:40pm

re: #453 gman

Moonbats love Obama (warning- a bit creepy)

Btw- best ever pic of moonbat has got to be this one from zombie
(guy in purple shirt half way down page)

That Obama Messiah blog is the most awesome thing ever. Whoever that is nails the whole fervor around the guy.

490 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:02:43pm

re: #467 rawmuse

re: #302 MigueldowninMexico

While saying hi to my amigo Miguel, I would point out that he has made a very good point, in that, it is more important to be happy. Happiness is a moral imperative. Without happiness, we all are, well, miserable. Miserable people are not happy and tend to blame others for their misery. Especially those in the Permanent Grievance Class.

You can have all and still be unhappy!
I rather be happy regardless of my material possesions.
There was an international poll about self-image regarding happiness and Mexicans ranked amongst the top countries with I think more than 80% people saying they were happy/very happy with their lives.

Viva la alegria!
Long live happiness LOL

Hello to you ;)

Also to femway who greeted me :)

491 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:03:09pm

re: #447 beachkatie

re: #432 Opilio
Good for you ! HOPE democrats don't take every thing from you! You earned every bet of it right?

Nobody gave it to me, so yeah, I guess I did.

492 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:03:14pm

today marks the 20th anniv of my dad's passing--he was the greatest father-was a ham radio operator -W2THE-a staunch rep conservative-great granddad-taught my 2 young (then) sons to fish-RIP gogo(his nic)--and tomorrow marks the 9th anniv of my moms death--sigh

493 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:03:20pm

re: #233 wanumba

I will second your emotion. African immigrants are very successful in this country. I haven't met many, but I've met a few, no Nigerians (yet) but some Kenyans, Guinea, Botswana. My theory is they come here understanding the vast opportunities, have a solid work ethic, and haven't been corrupted by the defeatist perma-victim mentality of people like Michele Obama. Something one of my old battalion commanders called PMA - Positive Mental Attitude...corny as it sounds.

OT/ I am currently listening to old Willie Nelson. Interspersed with The Ramones.

494 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:03:27pm

re: #426 Doug

These are the girls that I would have dated had I not met my wife! (Don't tell her or she won't let me go out by myself when we visit this summer!)

495 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:03:39pm

re: #464 MigueldowninMexico

Interesting...never thought of it in those terms. Would I be out of line in referring to the Naorcocorrido musicians as 'Gangsta Mariachi'?

496 m  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:03:54pm

kum ba ya my lorrrd
kum ba ya...

/filling in for OR/PK

497 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:03:59pm
498 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:04:19pm

#342

Had a look at the other two comments from this one. I think you can probably dump it altogether, Stinky.

499 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:04:37pm

re: #465 Joan Not of Arc

Mandy Manners- repudiate what? The "baby daddy" thing? Deny that Mrs. Obama has common sense? I thought I had.

I asked you for a link. That is all.

I apologize if I missed one that you provided.

500 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:05:11pm

re: #471 Dougfirst date !

501 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:05:17pm

re: #485 Palandine

re: #439 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel, no one has a problem with Mexicans who come here legally. All Americans ask is respect. It's bad for to break into someone's house, then insist they provide you with free medical care, treat any of their children born in the houuse as though they've always lived in the house, and complain when the owners of the house don't like it.

If Mexico is such a hellhole (and I don't believe it is), the Mexican people should stay there and revolt against the government. You've got great beauty, two oceans, and oil wealth. It's a crime that the Mexican government is encouraging millions of its citizens to criminally enter the United States. The Mexican people are hard workers. Surely they can translate that tenacity into a government that serves them, instead of living an illegal life of wage slavery in another country.


I agree. The actual theme in my answer to Patriot was more like immigrant workers vs host workers (gast Arbeiter) :)

502 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:05:50pm

re: #432 Opilio

Me too! More than twice actually. I paid over $13k in taxes last year! One year in college I made like $300. A little over 8 times what Dennis Kucinich made the year after he got fired from being the mayor of Cleveland.

503 macintush  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:05:52pm

re: #492 mikeymom

today marks the 20th anniv of my dad's passing--he was the greatest father-was a ham radio operator -W2THE-a staunch rep conservative-great granddad-taught my 2 young (then) sons to fish-RIP gogo(his nic)--and tomorrow marks the 9th anniv of my moms death--sigh

Condolences, mikeymom.

504 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:05:55pm

re: #439 MigueldowninMexico

re: #425 OldLineTexan

Sorry but you're wrong.
You can not give up the millions of Mexicans that work up there.
Your economy will suffer.
And there are not enough spaces for people to become immigrants, by far.

Mexicans send 25 billion a year to Mexico.
That means they create at the very least 200 billion of wealth for the American economy.

That's fine, I'll be wrong. I've lived here for 45 years and I can tell you the current situation cannot continue...this country cannot survive the Balkanizing trend.

Exploiting illegal immigrants creates a false economy and inequality in two countries.

But that's OK.

I have no idea why you say there's not enough space for immigrants, but plenty of room for illegals.

Maybe we should lock down our southern border like Mexico does hers?

/does not compute

505 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:05:55pm

re: #486 reine.de.tout

re: #476 MigueldowninMexico

thank you!

A pleasure.
I deduct you are related to Kim?

506 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:05:59pm

re: #494 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Another wolf lover...we have the same taste in women.

507 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:07:03pm

is ok savage- MANY great memories--cant wait to see them again--DRINK! dad loved good scothch and they both loved their manhattans! DRINK!

508 ackomanyuki  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:07:05pm

I, the son of a 9th generation Virginian and decedent of George Mason, went to a Jesuit University after a secondary education in Episcopal Schools and a Fairfax County Virginia public school. I felt out of place the entire time among the spawn of NE corridor Democrat Nomenklatura Catholics.

I was still proud of my country though, even while groovy to Marley and burning a fatty with the sons of some of the most corrupt families in America.

509 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:07:09pm

re: #492 mikeymom

today marks the 20th anniv of my dad's passing--he was the greatest father-was a ham radio operator -W2THE-a staunch rep conservative-great granddad-taught my 2 young (then) sons to fish-RIP gogo(his nic)--and tomorrow marks the 9th anniv of my moms death--sigh

{mikeymom}

510 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:07:29pm

re: #500 beachkatie

You must definitely be a hottie. I'm single, are you?

511 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:07:44pm

re: #505 MigueldowninMexico

Kim who?

512 addison  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:08:04pm

re: #499 MandyManners

re: #465 Joan Not of Arc

Mandy Manners- repudiate what? The "baby daddy" thing? Deny that Mrs. Obama has common sense? I thought I had.

I asked you for a link. That is all.

I apologize if I missed one that you provided.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

513 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:08:06pm

re: #495 Fenway_Nation

re: #464 MigueldowninMexico

Interesting...never thought of it in those terms. Would I be out of line in referring to the Naorcocorrido musicians as 'Gangsta Mariachi'?

Hahahahahaha.
Great phrase! hahahahaha.
Although the genre is different, taking mariachi as a prototype of Mexican music in the States, Gansgta Mariachi is great!
hahahahahaha.

514 gman  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:08:11pm

re: #489 Cognito

re: #453 gman

Moonbats love Obama (warning- a bit creepy)

Btw- best ever pic of moonbat has got to be this one from zombie
(guy in purple shirt half way down page)

That Obama Messiah blog is the most awesome thing ever. Whoever that is nails the whole fervor around the guy.

At first I thought the site was satirical, but then it just keeps on a-goin and a-goin and a-goin

515 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:08:15pm
516 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:09:18pm

re: #465 Joan Not of Arc

Mandy Manners- repudiate what? The "baby daddy" thing? Deny that Mrs. Obama has common sense? I thought I had.

BLITZER: We can take a look. Maybe he will and maybe he won't but she looks like she's about to introduce him. Let's listen in.

MICHELLE OBAMA, WIFE OF BARACK OBAMA: My baby's daddy Barack Obama. Yeah!

BARACK OBAMA, SENATOR-ELECT, ILLINOIS: Thank you, Illinois. Thank you. Thank you, Illinois. I don't know about you but I'm still fired up. I am fired up. Look at this crowd. Thank you, Illinois.

Let me begin by thanking all the people who have been involved in this effort from down state to upstate, city, suburb, from every community throughout the state. Let me say how grateful I am to all of you for the extraordinary privilege of standing here this evening.


cnn transcripts

517 6pat6  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:09:26pm
Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her “further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.”

She sounds like a racist, white-guy-hating bitch to me. Just a personal observation, mind you.

Woe-is-me, feel sorry for me, it's all your fault I am Black...WTF, over?
Does this woman really think she'd have a better opportunity anywhere else in the world? Maybe, oh, Saudi Arabia, or any other Muslim-"led" nation? Fine, then. Get the fuck out of here, and take your tax-us-into-oblivion hubby with ya!

518 Artiste  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:09:48pm

re: #48 Jim in Virginia

Charles, please change the spelling.

v i c t i c r a t

http://www.larryelder.com/faq.html

519 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:09:50pm
520 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:09:56pm

re: #510 Doug
I heard this before !:)

521 m  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:09:59pm

{mikeymom}

Salute! *clink*

522 Palandine  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:10:06pm

re: #501 MigueldowninMexico

I agree. The actual theme in my answer to Patriot was more like immigrant workers vs host workers (gast Arbeiter) :)

Groovy. :) Once we get the border squared away, I think a guest worker program is a good thing. American produce costs may go up some, but the Mexican workers won't be exploited, and the border will be protected against those who would cross to do this country harm.

523 Artiste  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:10:27pm

Sorry; I think I meant #47

524 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:10:35pm

thanks all- but--im fine and happy in the knowledge they are in heaven-they were both strong catholics mom was polish, born here- dad came from ukrania w/family when he a 3-strong stock-good values--thats why im such a good strong WOMAN!

525 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:10:47pm

re: #519 savage_nation
HEY are you guys married?

526 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:12:07pm

re: #504 OldLineTexan

The Southern Mexican border is a seeve.
The "closed" border is a myth. We have thousands of people entering Mexico every single day from the south.

What I meant about amounts of people -sorry for not being clear there- is that there are more visas needed.
That would ease the pressure. People will be entering the States legally in greater numbers and illegal entries will diminish not just because of a simple correlation, but because people would have hope to get a visa and many of them would wait to get one.
Right now 90% of Mexicans or more have NO CHANCE AT ALL to get a visa.
:)

527 solomonpanting  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:12:21pm
#489 Cognito
That Obama Messiah blog is the most awesome thing ever.

Obama Hey 'Bama 'Bama 'Bama Obama
Hey 'Bama Obama
Hey JC, JC won't you fight for me?
'Bama Obama Hey Superstar

(with apologies to Tim Rice)

528 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:12:24pm

It just now occurred to me, but if Michelle wants to feel out of place and excoriated, try driving around San Francisco in an SUV with Bush/Cheney '04 bumper sticker. (yes, I did that for 3 years).

529 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:12:33pm

re: #511 reine.de.tout

re: #505 MigueldowninMexico

Kim who?

Kim de tout

530 imampatrol[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:12:49pm
531 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:13:07pm
532 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:13:25pm

re: #512 addison

re: #499 MandyManners


re: #465 Joan Not of Arc

Mandy Manners- repudiate what? The "baby daddy" thing? Deny that Mrs. Obama has common sense? I thought I had.

I asked you for a link. That is all.

I apologize if I missed one that you provided.


[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

WHAT THE HELL?

533 macintush  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:13:44pm

re: #528 rawmuse

It just now occurred to me, but if Michelle wants to feel out of place and excoriated, try driving around San Francisco in an SUV with Bush/Cheney '04 bumper sticker. (yes, I did that for 3 years).

Try wearing a FRED shirt out in public these days...

534 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:13:46pm

re: #529 MigueldowninMexico

Well, I'm dense or something - I'm not getting it.

535 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:13:51pm

re: #522 Palandine

re: #501 MigueldowninMexico


I agree. The actual theme in my answer to Patriot was more like immigrant workers vs host workers (gast Arbeiter) :)

Groovy. :) Once we get the border squared away, I think a guest worker program is a good thing. American produce costs may go up some, but the Mexican workers won't be exploited, and the border will be protected against those who would cross to do this country harm.


That's a good idea ;)

536 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:13:51pm

re: #439 MigueldowninMexico

200 billion out of US GDP of over 13 trillion...ummm...I hope you're not floating that number as a justification, because that equals less than 1.5% of GDP. I imagine if we added up the costs of medical care and education and jail costs, not to mention lives lost in illegals driving intoxicated, it wouold far exceed 200 billion. In a month. Just sayin. I'm not opposed to people trying to make a better life for themselves, but the math don't add up.

537 snowcrash  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:14:20pm

re: #530 imampatrol
Ment to ding you DOWN. I believe no such thing!

538 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:14:34pm

re: #492 mikeymom

I know how you feel. My parents zt"l were married in 1931, on this day, and my Dad's birthday was Feb. 10.

March? My Dad died on March 15, and my Mum on March 30, 15 days apart. It will be 25 years next month, but the pain is always there.

I was an only.

Take care.

539 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:14:46pm

re: #530 imampatrol

We would hope you'd be more eloquent with your arguments. Dumb assholes like you give this blog a bad rep.

540 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:14:47pm

Since Obama is going to be giving speeches quite often for the next 8 months or so y'all better get acquainted with the term done fell out. I keep reading here about people fainting while he speaks...HELLO! its not fainting. Its Done Fell Out. duh.

541 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:14:53pm

re: #520 beachkatie

Okay, another shot...this better?

542 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:15:14pm

mandy-watch out- lots of trolls and mobys here tonight-

543 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:15:24pm

re: #526 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel, if it happens to be so, I hope you are right.

Buenos noches, I have had a full day.

544 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:15:34pm

re: #502 kevinmumaw

re: #432 Opilio

Me too! More than twice actually. I paid over $13k in taxes last year! One year in college I made like $300. A little over 8 times what Dennis Kucinich made the year after he got fired from being the mayor of Cleveland.

Nonetheless, we mustn't forget that we're in the midst of the worst economy in the last <insert politically expedient time frame> years.

/in Obama we trust.

545 Karridine  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:15:35pm

OT: DRAFT IRANIAN LAW THREATENS GROSS HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS

NEW YORK, 22 February 2008 (BWNS) -- The Iranian Parliament is considering legislation that would institutionalize a series of gross human rights violations, affecting not only Baha'is but many others, even outside of Iran, the Baha'i International Community said today.

Of greatest concern is a section that would mandate the death penalty for anyone who converts from Islam to another religion, a provision that would affect not only Baha'is but also Christians, Jews, and others.

546 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:15:44pm

re: #532 MandyManners

Trailor-trash/ghetto-trash.

Michelle, you fool.

547 6pat6  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:15:53pm

re: #19 reine.de.tout

re: #8 EE

Michelle Obama seems like a stronger personality, more assertive, than Barack Obama. If we had a President Obama, what would be the influence of Michelle Obama? Would she be the brains and the force behind the presidency?


I've had the same thought. It's almost as if she is the one wearing the family pants, not Obama.

It's true, I think, with most Party of Jackass households. The woman seems to be the dominant one, while the wussy, wimpy-assed "male", emasculated and cowering in the master bedroom closet, is all soft and weepy...

Kinda like what they are trying to do to our government-operated schools.

548 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:15:56pm

re: #526 MigueldowninMexico
MigueldowninMexico Thank you you for your prays! very much appreciated! they were answered!Thank you!

549 Cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:16:14pm

re: #514 gman

re: #489 Cognito

re: #453 gman

Moonbats love Obama (warning- a bit creepy)

Btw- best ever pic of moonbat has got to be this one from zombie
(guy in purple shirt half way down page)

That Obama Messiah blog is the most awesome thing ever. Whoever that is nails the whole fervor around the guy.

At first I thought the site was satirical, but then it just keeps on a-goin and a-goin and a-goin

Oh no, it's definitely satirical. Sly, but satirical.

550 sparrowlake  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:16:16pm

re: #487 MandyManners

LOL. I rarely get called young any more.
I appreciate your support.

551 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:16:26pm

re: #537 snowcrash

re: #530 imampatrol
Ment to ding you DOWN. I believe no such thing!

Report him.

552 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:16:26pm

#465 Joan Not of Arc

Thank you.

553 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:16:28pm

re: #545 Karridine

Bring it on bitches.

554 JWM  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:16:45pm

re: #302 MigueldowninMexico
As one who gladly scrubs out the toilets when I can get the work:
Amen, brother!
(and no, that ain't no bs)

JWM

555 Palandine  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:16:56pm

re: #534 reine.de.tout

re: #529 MigueldowninMexico

Well, I'm dense or something - I'm not getting it.

Kim du Toit (he's a guy Kim, not a girl Kim) is an American blogger originally from South Africa. Libertarian/Conservative, loves guns and has an encyclopedic knowledge of him. His blog is constructed entirely of win: theothersideofkim.com

/A Nation of Riflemen!

556 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:17:15pm

ny nana--we are blessed to have such wonderful parents, yes? still missed so much after do many yrs.

557 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:17:16pm

#530 imampatrol
This user is blocked.

558 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:17:33pm

Mandy Manners- sorry. I wasn't sure what you meant.
Baby's daddy or baby daddy- it is still asinine, is my point.
Moving on...

559 mikeinmd  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:17:48pm
It just now occurred to me, but if Michelle wants to feel out of place and excoriated, try driving around San Francisco in an SUV with Bush/Cheney '04 bumper sticker. (yes, I did that for 3 years).

Stranger in a strange land indeed.

560 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:17:50pm
re: #289 Daybrother

I will always be a mammal first and a doctor second. I have always felt out of place among the Lizards. No matter what happens or what I type I can read their electronic whispers: "Mammal...Mammal...". I know I will never have scales and yet, I am torn between wanting desperately to be something I'm not on the one hand and forming a splinter "Mammal Faction" here to take over the blog and force Charles to address all my grievences on the other. Since I feel as though I don't belong, I realize that Charles is a bigot who discriminates against Mammals. He has admitted as much: When he moved his secret lair, he left Sasha, a mammal, behind. Sure, he explained it away by saying she wandered off, but there is no proof of that. Yes, Michelle has opened my eyes AND kindled the HOPE™ that soon I will feel better about myself and everyone who made me feel bad will be punished.

It matters not if you be a mammal or a lizard, anyone who remembers Sasha is a fossil.
// {;-)™

561 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:18:21pm

re: #538 NY Nana

re: #492 mikeymom

I know how you feel. My parents zt"l were married in 1931, on this day, and my Dad's birthday was Feb. 10.

March? My Dad died on March 15, and my Mum on March 30, 15 days apart. It will be 25 years next month, but the pain is always there.

I was an only.

Take care.

You were ENOUGH!

562 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:18:25pm

re: #534 reine.de.tout

re: #529 MigueldowninMexico

Well, I'm dense or something - I'm not getting it.

Sorry, I'm the dense one.
And the one who's blushing lol
It's blogger Kim du Toit. Sorry.

563 ArmyAunt  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:18:59pm

re: #532 MandyManners


When I heard her say that I thought the same thing!

564 6pat6  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:19:05pm

re: #557 Killgore Trout

And he got baned in just TWO posts! Is that a record, or has anyone banned in just one?

565 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:19:05pm

"Get your filthy paws off me, you damn dirty ape!"

(watching Planet of the Apes on AMC now)

566 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:19:13pm

re: #557 Killgore Trout

#530 imampatrol
This user is blocked.

thank goodness!

567 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:19:28pm

re: #558 Joan Not of Arc

Mandy Manners- sorry. I wasn't sure what you meant.
Baby's daddy or baby daddy- it is still asinine, is my point.
Moving on...

Gotcha'!

568 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:19:51pm

re: #565 Occasional Reader

"Get your filthy paws off me, you damn dirty ape!"

(watching Planet of the Apes on AMC now)

"Damn you! Damn you all to Hell!"

569 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:20:02pm

re: #506 Doug

re: #494 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Another wolf lover...we have the same taste in women.

I can't wait to hit the beach this summer in Yafo,Netanya , Eilat and Ashkelon!

Some of my favorite places in the world!

570 Charles  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:20:10pm

Man, we are being barraged by sock puppets this week. "imampatrol" is the previously banned creep "shmujew".

What the hell is wrong with these morons?

571 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:20:42pm

re: #551 reine.de.tout

re: #537 snowcrash


re: #530 imampatrol
Ment to ding you DOWN. I believe no such thing!

Report him.

And he is OUTATHERE...

572 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:20:43pm

The terrible secret of space claims another victim.
/Pac chooie umpf

573 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:20:52pm

re: #536 kevinmumaw

re: #439 MigueldowninMexico

200 billion out of US GDP of over 13 trillion...ummm...I hope you're not floating that number as a justification, because that equals less than 1.5% of GDP. I imagine if we added up the costs of medical care and education and jail costs, not to mention lives lost in illegals driving intoxicated, it wouold far exceed 200 billion. In a month. Just sayin. I'm not opposed to people trying to make a better life for themselves, but the math don't add up.


I can assure you the math adds up. I just made up a figure. But I can not believe Americans are as stupid as to give people more than the wealth they create.
At least I hope that is not the case.
I don't have any idea (I doubt anyone does) of the actual wealth created by Mexicans in the USA.
Still I refer to what I said just above.

574 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:21:11pm

re: #542 mikeymom

mandy-watch out- lots of trolls and mobys here tonight-


And,..?

575 macintush  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:21:12pm

re: #570 Charles

Way to watch our backsides, Charles!

576 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:21:23pm

re: #569 lone_wolf_in_illinois

re: #506 Doug

re: #494 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Another wolf lover...we have the same taste in women.

I can't wait to hit the beach this summer in Yafo,Netanya , Eilat and Ashkelon!

Some of my favorite places in the world!

very, very nice!

577 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:21:25pm

re: #555 Palandine

Yes, I dig the Kim site, and am registered there. I generally just lurk since I know way more about music than of guns. But much of what I know of guns, I know from that site, and from my cop buddies who coach me on same. Once upon a time, I had to defend myself from some drug dealers whom I had testified against, upon their eventual/inevitable release from CA. prison. Kim's site was very useful.

578 swamprat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:21:36pm

re: #557 Killgore Trout

#530 imampatrol
This user is blocked.



One down. Doug and Daybrother to go.

579 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:21:37pm

re: #564 6pat6

re: #557 Killgore Trout

And he got baned in just TWO posts! Is that a record, or has anyone banned in just one?

That's just two posts that survived. He made at least 2 others that were deleted...

580 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:21:39pm

re: #570 Charles

Man, we are being barraged by sock puppets this week. "imampatrol" is the previously banned creep "shmujew".

What the hell is wrong with these morons?

I think you answered you own questions Charles!

581 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:21:41pm

re: #568 Doug

re: #565 Occasional Reader

"Get your filthy paws off me, you damn dirty ape!"

(watching Planet of the Apes on AMC now)

"Damn you! Damn you all to Hell!"

Actually we just got past the "It's a madhouse! A MAAAHOUUUSE!" line.

This movie really freaked me out as a kid. Scary as hell.

"Nova" is a hottie, though.

582 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:21:47pm

re: #570 Charles

IIRC, Shmujew has been banned a few times already.

583 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:21:59pm

i am proud to clean the 4 toilets in my mcmansion that my hubby and i worked so hard to acquire! not thrilled sometimes, but PROUD!

584 ggt  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:22:34pm

Good Evening Lizards! It's still cold in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

Sounds like Michelle Obama has a personal problem. Condi Rice doesn't seem to have such problems.

So how is everyone and what are talking about.

is it the FNDT?

585 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:22:48pm

re: #548 beachkatie

re: #526 MigueldowninMexico
MigueldowninMexico Thank you you for your prays! very much appreciated! they were answered!Thank you!

Wow! You make me extremely happy with this news!
Let's thank the Lord that is so good to us :)

{beachkatie}
:)

586 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:22:59pm

re: #544 Opilio

Right. The left has been telling us how bad the economy has been the last 7 years, coincidentally, it coincides with only the GWB presidency, and yet now they are warning we are going into a recession? What does that say about the last 7 years if we are now, and only now, going into a recession? Rhetorical question, but jeeez. I know if I were consistently claiming the sky were falling, at some point I would shut up out of pure embarassment. But that's me.

That's why I love being in the military. Recession proof. And I'm paid way more than I'm worth ;) Plus all the free world travel and ammunition.

587 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:23:11pm

re: #562 MigueldowninMexico

re: #534 reine.de.tout


re: #529 MigueldowninMexico

Well, I'm dense or something - I'm not getting it.


Sorry, I'm the dense one.
And the one who's blushing lol
It's blogger Kim du Toit. Sorry.

OOH-KAAY! I'm bookmarking it for future reference. But no, no relation (obviously).

588 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:23:21pm

re: #581 Occasional Reader

Same here, Omega Man scared the crap out of me too.

589 6pat6  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:23:31pm

re: #557 Killgore Trout

AND his two previous posts were also just deleted, too. That guy didn't deserve to use the bandwidth!

590 rem1776  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:23:45pm

"I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don’t belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich (sic) I interact with whites at Princeton,"

Jeesch, who the hell doesn't. What a numbskull.

591 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:23:59pm

re: #543 OldLineTexan

re: #526 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel, if it happens to be so, I hope you are right.

Buenos noches, I have had a full day.

Buenas noches, amigo ;)

592 Palandine  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:24:02pm

re: #565 Occasional Reader

"Get your filthy paws off me, you damn dirty ape!"

(watching Planet of the Apes on AMC now)

Ooh, so am I.

And everyone should watch the series "Breaking Bad" on AMC. It's sooo good. Bryan Cranston (the dad from Malcolm in the Middle) is a high school chemistry teacher who finds out he's dying of lung cancer and decides to start cooking crystal meth to make money for his family. Amazing combination of drama and comedy.

593 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:24:29pm

Dr. Zaius! There he is. I don't think he's a real doctor.

(BTW, the scenes of Charlton physically overpowering apes are highly improbable... apes are vastly stronger than we are... OTOH, he should have just jumped in that damn lake and swum away, because they can't swim)

594 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:24:40pm

re: #589 6pat6

Unencumbered by rational thoughts.

595 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:24:50pm

re: #542 mikeymom

mandy-watch out- lots of trolls and mobys here tonight-

What's a moby?

596 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:25:00pm

re: #584 ggt

Good Evening Lizards! It's still cold in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

Sounds like Michelle Obama has a personal problem. Condi Rice doesn't seem to have such problems.

So how is everyone and what are talking about.

is it the FNDT?

I am feeling it too, ggt. (slippers and feet next to the fire for me tonight!)

597 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:25:11pm

NACHOS? is someone serving NACHOS? yummm!

598 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:25:29pm

re: #554 JWM

re: #302 MigueldowninMexico
As one who gladly scrubs out the toilets when I can get the work:
Amen, brother!
(and no, that ain't no bs)

JWM


LOL
Ok, brother! :)

599 6pat6  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:25:36pm

re: #594 Killgore Trout

Indeed!

600 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:26:09pm

re: #575 macintush

re: #570 Charles

Way to watch our backsides, Charles!

**Raises glass**

To Charles!

601 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:26:30pm
602 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:26:54pm

re: #591 MigueldowninMexico

re: #543 OldLineTexan

re: #526 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel, if it happens to be so, I hope you are right.

Buenos noches, I have had a full day.

Buenas noches, amigo ;)

Oye Miguel... a question which seems to produce split authority among the hispanohablantes nativos... cuando escribes algo en TODO MAYUSCULA, pones acentos o no?

603 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:26:59pm

re: #583 mikeymom

i am proud to clean the 4 toilets in my mcmansion that my hubby and i worked so hard to acquire! not thrilled sometimes, but PROUD!

You go sister!
lol ;)

604 6pat6  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:27:05pm

re: #597 mikeymom

Nope, but I just made some chili Frito pie with some homemade salsa and some Choulula hot sauce! I'll probably be a walking toxic waste site by morning!

605 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:27:27pm

re: #593 Occasional Reader

Dr. Zaius! There he is. I don't think he's a real doctor.

(BTW, the scenes of Charlton physically overpowering apes are highly improbable... apes are vastly stronger than we are... OTOH, he should have just jumped in that damn lake and swum away, because they can't swim)



You asked for it.

606 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:27:44pm

re: #601 savage_nation

re: #593 Occasional Reader

Dr. Zaius! There he is. I don't think he's a real doctor.

(BTW, the scenes of Charlton physically overpowering apes are highly improbable... apes are vastly stronger than we are... OTOH, he should have just jumped in that damn lake and swum away, because they can't swim)

Humans have no rights under ape law

He does have a point there!

607 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:27:48pm

re: #604 6pat6

re: #597 mikeymom

Nope, but I just made some chili Frito pie with some homemade salsa and some Choulula hot sauce! I'll probably be a walking toxic waste site by morning!

Or at least smell like one!

608 macintush  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:27:52pm

re: #604 6pat6

I had chips and queso at Chili's tonight-

609 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:27:55pm

re: #604 6pat6

re: #597 mikeymom

Nope, but I just made some chili Frito pie with some homemade salsa and some Choulula hot sauce! I'll probably be a walking toxic waste site by morning!

Not sure how to picture that in my head.

610 Palandine  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:27:58pm

re: #593 Occasional Reader

Dr. Zaius! There he is. I don't think he's a real doctor.

(BTW, the scenes of Charlton physically overpowering apes are highly improbable... apes are vastly stronger than we are... OTOH, he should have just jumped in that damn lake and swum away, because they can't swim)

Apes are vastly stronger than WE are.

But we're talking about Charlton Heston here. :)

/May God watch over him

611 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:28:17pm

open the windows 6pat6--pul-eeze!

612 snowcrash  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:28:37pm

re: #593 Occasional Reader
He looks like poster "Ben Hur"! hahaha

613 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:28:37pm

re: #556 mikeymom

My mom is 1st generation American and her folks were off the boat from Poland. Dad's Grandma and Grandpa were off the boat from Austria. Heck I have a 101 year old Aunt that came here on the Carpathia on the voyage that picked up the survivors from the Titanic in 1912 but thats another story. My folks are in their mid 70's and live just a mile or so from where we live and they are both still very active. There is something to be said for skipping on the big money career and living near where you grew up and staying close to the folks and siblings.

But your earlier post made me stop and think I should make a real effort to spend more time with mom and dad. As it is we see them a couple times a week or so, but it would be easy enough to drop by and see them more often.

614 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:28:38pm

re: #595 kevinmumaw

What's a moby?

Have you read The F*ckin' Manual?

615 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:28:40pm

re: #573 MigueldowninMexico

I see...I have no idea either since it is probably a hypothetical figure anyway.

616 jcm  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:29:05pm

Did I miss some gamey buttocks on the grill?

617 6pat6  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:29:06pm

re: #609 reine.de.tout

Nothing to picture, but imagine the most horrible odor...:)

618 mikeinmd  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:29:21pm

#573 Miguel

I can assure you the math adds up. I just made up a figure. But I can not believe Americans are as stupid as to give people more than the wealth they create.

Have you heard of Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama?

I may be just missing something you're implying, but I don't think so

619 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:29:27pm

re: #581 Occasional Reader

re: #568 Doug
Actually we just got past the "It's a madhouse! A MAAAHOUUUSE!" line.

This movie really freaked me out as a kid. Scary as hell.

"Nova" is a hottie, though.

Anyone remember the movie whose closing line is "Madness! Madness..."

620 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:29:41pm

re: #605 Doug

re: #593 Occasional Reader

Dr. Zaius! There he is. I don't think he's a real doctor.

(BTW, the scenes of Charlton physically overpowering apes are highly improbable... apes are vastly stronger than we are... OTOH, he should have just jumped in that damn lake and swum away, because they can't swim)



You asked for it.

Dang... not sure if I've seen that episode. Me, without a Simpsons episode... wonders never cease.

621 Karridine  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:29:52pm

re: #553 Mich-again

I'd say that, too, were it not for the hundreds of thousands of Jews, Baha'is, Christians and Zoroastrians in Persia who would suddenly become liable to a death-sentence AT THE WHIM OF ANYONE who wanted to say, "THEM! THEY made me convert..."

/Those are good people going under yet another "Islamic" injustice, Mich!

622 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:29:55pm

re: #573 MigueldowninMexico

But I can not believe Americans are as stupid as to give people more than the wealth they create.

I can assure you we are.

623 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:30:00pm

re: #602 Occasional Reader

re: #591 MigueldowninMexico


re: #543 OldLineTexan

re: #526 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel, if it happens to be so, I hope you are right.

Buenos noches, I have had a full day.


Buenas noches, amigo ;)

Oye Miguel... a question which seems to produce split authority among the hispanohablantes nativos... cuando escribes algo en TODO MAYUSCULA, pones acentos o no?

Si, si se ponen acentos.
La discusion es porque la regla cambio. Hasta los 80 no se ponia, pero ahora si jejeje.
He sido corrector de pruebas en un par de publicaciones, asi que tuve que informarme bien al respecto ;)

624 6pat6  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:30:06pm

I'm sure the spousal unit and the two barking furry creature units will let ME know!

625 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:30:30pm

re: #616 jcm

Boy howdy.

626 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:30:31pm

re: #551 reine.de.tout

Stinky Beaumont deleted it.

627 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:30:48pm

re: #613 Mich-again

re: #556 mikeymom

But your earlier post made me stop and think I should make a real effort to spend more time with mom and dad. As it is we see them a couple times a week or so, but it would be easy enough to drop by and see them more often.

Yes, do it NOW. My parents were going along, healthy, and then suddenly, over a 20-day period, Mom got sick, died, and Dad fell, broke his hip and is going downhill. GO SPEND THE TIME.

628 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:30:53pm

re: #572 Killgore Trout

HEY, KILLGORE TROUT , I respect your opinion BUT i don't agree!Hey!

629 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:31:02pm

re: #619 Opilio

re: #581 Occasional Reader

re: #568 Doug
Actually we just got past the "It's a madhouse! A MAAAHOUUUSE!" line.

This movie really freaked me out as a kid. Scary as hell.

"Nova" is a hottie, though.

Anyone remember the movie whose closing line is "Madness! Madness..."

River Kwai. Give me something harder than that!

630 Idle Drifter  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:31:09pm

re: #570 Charles

Man, we are being barraged by sock puppets this week. "imampatrol" is the previously banned creep "shmujew".

What the hell is wrong with these morons?

Sock puppets barrages, Mobys, CAIR sending press releases within 2 hours, hostile MSM press...

Charles, it's election season, they think you're a threat because you're beating them with one hell of a blog.

631 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:31:14pm

re: #616 jcm

Did I miss some gamey buttocks on the grill?

Yes you did! And their wasn't much to go around either, only two servings!

632 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:31:16pm

re: #610 Palandine

Apes are vastly stronger than WE are.

/firearms, apes don't have 'em, end of discussion

633 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:31:45pm

re: #615 kevinmumaw

re: #573 MigueldowninMexico

I see...I have no idea either since it is probably a hypothetical figure anyway.


It is hypotethical for sure.
Very hard to come to even an approximate figure.
;)

634 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:32:01pm

re: #620 Occasional Reader

Speaking of monkeys...

635 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:32:17pm

re: #623 MigueldowninMexico

La discusion es porque la regla cambio. Hasta los 80 no se ponia, pero ahora si

Says who?! The frickkin' Real Academia?! Pinches imperialistas espanholes!

636 republic  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:32:38pm

OT:

I just heard on the radio that two U.S. pilots survived after they bailed from their Stealth Bomber shortly after taking off from a base in Guam.

I'm thankful they are ok.

What does a Stealth Bomber cost?

637 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:33:16pm

re: #636 republic

OT:

What does a Stealth Bomber cost?

A lot.

638 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:33:17pm
639 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:33:19pm

re: #618 mikeinmd

#573 Miguel


I can assure you the math adds up. I just made up a figure. But I can not believe Americans are as stupid as to give people more than the wealth they create.

Have you heard of Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama?

I may be just missing something you're implying, but I don't think so

re: #622 kevinmumaw

re: #573 MigueldowninMexico


But I can not believe Americans are as stupid as to give people more than the wealth they create.

I can assure you we are.

Ok, I won't comment further on this.
I would say the same of many of my countrymen...

640 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:33:31pm

re: #632 Killian Bundy

re: #610 Palandine

Apes are vastly stronger than WE are.

/firearms, apes don't have 'em, end of discussion

Well, in the movie they do. (Automatic firearms, but no automobiles... silly apes!)

Okay, and now we're on the part that really freaked me out as a kid... Charlton discovers his colleagues have been lobotomized.

641 6pat6  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:33:48pm

re: #636 republic

Nearly a billion dollars each. That would be the first B-2 lost.

642 inquisitive  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:34:19pm

re: #427 savage_nation

re: #420 mikeymom


savage--how is your dad?

Good and bad. Lucid some days and other days he doesn't know where he is. Today seems to be a good day.

Parents always talk about how hard it is to lose a child---but it just as hard to see our parents slip away from us and then be gone .
Dad 4 years ago and mom 1 year ago
Prayers are with you and your Family! Don't forget to hug/kiss and tell them you love them as ofter as you can.

643 Daybrother  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:34:31pm

#560 Da_Beerfreak
Touche´

644 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:34:47pm

re: #635 Occasional Reader

re: #623 MigueldowninMexico

La discusion es porque la regla cambio. Hasta los 80 no se ponia, pero ahora si

Says who?! The frickkin' Real Academia?! Pinches imperialistas espanholes!

Hey, hey! Easy there.
We have la Academia Mexicana de la Lengua.
No imperialism there.

I love la Real Academia, anyway LOL

645 jcm  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:34:53pm

re: #625 Sarge1984

re: #616 jcm

Boy howdy.

Real life puts a crimp into blog life!

646 ggt  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:35:09pm

re: #587 reine.de.tout

Kim's site is THE gun blog of gun blogs. He does Weekend pictures of old film stars because he finds them sexier than current glamour girls. His wife also has a blog.

I think it is one of them who coined the term "The People's Republic of Chicago."

Kim also is the originator of National Ammo Day

647 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:35:10pm

The B-2 crash is in the spinoff links. Damn shame, and a very expensive one. Good thing the crew got out, that's a sigh of relief.

648 republic  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:35:13pm

re: #637 reine.de.tout

re: #636 republic


OT:

What does a Stealth Bomber cost?


A lot.

I think it's in the several billion range.

649 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:35:25pm

mich-- i miss them every day. i have another prob w/ my m-i-l- hubbys parents were left in ny state when we moved here to co-poppy got very sick-long , sad story-we had to move them here in 2003-he passed in 2005 after living in nursing home w/alz--she lived w/us for 20 months--drove us nuts-shes neurotic, senile, etc--finally moved her to asst living here in town-i HATE to go visit-but hubby doesnt go very often, so i feel i have to-will go tomorrow for 2 hrs and i'm sure i'll be criticized and whined at--oh well-im getting my angel wings one feather at a time-lolol

650 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:35:33pm

re: #627 reine.de.tout

Good call.

651 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:35:39pm

re: #585 MigueldowninMexico

re: #585 MigueldowninMexico
I will never forget you in my prays! I really really mean this !

652 ggt  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:35:57pm

re: #596 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Yeah, I'm pretty tired of it too!

653 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:35:59pm

re: #637 reine.de.tout

re: #636 republic

OT:

What does a Stealth Bomber cost?

A lot.

1.2 billion USD

654 jcm  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:36:15pm

re: #637 reine.de.tout

re: #636 republic

OT:

What does a Stealth Bomber cost?

A lot.

$ 700-750 million per plane, not counting R&D.

655 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:36:23pm
656 LeePro  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:36:24pm

re: #8 EE

Michelle Obama seems like a stronger personality, more assertive, than Barack Obama. If we had a President Obama, what would be the influence of Michelle Obama? Would she be the brains and the force behind the presidency?

Yeah, just like...





Ah, shit!

657 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:36:26pm

re: #628 beachkatie

I have a chorus who think think it stink.

658 jenv  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:36:31pm

re: #242 big L

maybe Michelle o has a screw loose. I heard their income is 1 million a year and their kids go to private school. Whoa,boy if a gop candidate sends his kids to private school. But the donks everyone expects are phoney-baloneys so no one says a thing.


The Democrats call themselves the "party of the people", when if you look at it the party is dominated by very rich people. Dems call the Republicans the party of rich businessmen, when the Dems themselves look a lot wealthier than the Republicans are. I don't understand how they get away with it.

659 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:36:48pm

re: #651 beachkatie

re: #585 MigueldowninMexico

re: #585 MigueldowninMexico
I will never forget you in my prays! I really really mean this !

You made my day katie.
You really did :)

God bless you always.
;)

660 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:36:56pm

re: #644 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel, what are the two academies, and how are they different? Do the rules apply to all Spanish, or is it a Mexico-specific thing? How can I keep current on this? The Spanish I learned is Puerto Rican Spanish, but I have daily interaction with Mexican Spanish-speakers, so this would be a good thing to know.

661 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:36:57pm

re: #644 MigueldowninMexico

Hm... well, as a non-Spaniard and non-Mexican, I'm sticking by my rights to not put accents on all-caps. This, because I don't know the damn alt+ codes for accents on capital letters...

662 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:37:11pm

re: #588 Doug

re: #581 Occasional Reader

Same here, Omega Man scared the crap out of me too.


Miracle Mile scared the crap out of me. Sitll does, even tho' it's kind of dated.

663 Idle Drifter  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:37:41pm
664 6pat6  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:38:14pm

re: #642 inquisitive

Don't forget to hug/kiss and tell them you love them as ofter as you can.

My dad is in remission from leukemia. Went to visit him and Mom in September, when was quite sick, and again at Christmas. Dad has never been a "hugger", but we hugged I believe for maybe the second time back in September (first time was when my granddad died twenty years ago). I am not a touchy-feely type, either, but it was a good thing to do. Always have hugged my Mom, but never Dad. Strange how that works, isn't it?

665 JWM  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:38:42pm

I just got done checking upthread, and noticed the plusses given to my own posts, and several other peoples' as well. Thank you. I really appreciate seeing them. But I have never seen posts from many of the folks who have been so kind as to send the positive clicks. You guys are the opposite of the creepy phantom dingers. Please feel free to jump in and join the conversation.

JWM

666 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:38:44pm

re: #660 Sarge1984

The Spanish I learned is Puerto Rican Spanish

Which includes totally authentic words like anyway

(always cracks me up)

667 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:38:44pm

re: #649 mikeymom

You know, dear, the death of ones parents is a thing that I am not sure we ever "get over". Sure, we function, we talk, walk, work, sleep, eventually. But there will always be a big hole in our soul where they used to be. Perhaps we will be reunited in the next life. I feel the same about my parents, and those of ms. rawmuse.

668 6pat6  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:38:52pm

re: #648 republic

One billion each.

669 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:38:59pm
670 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:39:03pm

re: #657 Killgore Trout
good for you brother!

671 jcm  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:39:15pm

re: #658 jenv


The Democrats call themselves the "party of the people", when if you look at it the party is dominated by very rich people. Dems call the Republicans the party of rich businessmen, when the Dems themselves look a lot wealthier than the Republicans are. I don't understand how they get away with it.

I'll take that kind of oppression.

672 wanumba  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:39:21pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

re: #302 MigueldowninMexico
Agreed. Somebody (who shall remain nameless) posted a link the other day lamenting the future decline of whites in America. I say bring it on. Hispanics bring a great work ethic and Asians value education, math and science. "White" America disparately needs an influx of different cultures if we have any hope of survival.


Uh. Hold it. That's incredibly racist, if one believes in "race." "White" America is a number of cultures as well. The "White trash" culture is nothing worthwhile to emulate, but the solid, middle class culture of God and country, hard work and self-denial is an astounding success, well worth emulating.
So far, the Hispanics I've met are very ethnocentric. I can count on ONE hand all the Hispanics from Latin America I've found in Africa after twenty years. The Hispanic political agitators demand Spanish for Americans, but America is a land of immigrants, and a land of people who roam the world in business and military and humanitarian occupations. Americans need the languages of many countries. In our work, I can't use Spanish. It's practically worthless in Africa, Asia and the Middle East. French is spoken across Africa and is still found in Egypt, Lebanon, Laos, Vietnam - it's more useful than Spanish, despite the apparent numbers often quoted for Spanish. Why does the Left demand Spanish? What about Swahili? Is it not an international language as well? It's spoken in Congo, Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Zanzibar and even into SoSudan, a very large region all together. Strategically, after decades of flirting with the Soviets, the continent is looking towards America, the ONLY nation onthe planet that is equipped and inclined to have a genuinely positive relationship with Africa.
Don't take this conventional wisdom without a critical eye.
Asians are good at math. So what? Yes, that's useful, but they aren't creative with it. What's wrong that keeps them in a rut even with their skills? Do you know how many Korean students are in schools in the USA right now? They fill the international slots. Guess what, they cheat, just like every other over stressed student looking for an easy A.
Got people now arguing that schools teach Chinese. WHy? Chinese doesn't carry well internationally, thanks to the difficulty of writing it. Chinese don't mingle any better with other ethnicities and so-called "races" than any "White" person. Hispanics don't do such a great job of dropping their prejudices against "Whites" - that is "Gringos," either. That's as obnoxious as anyone else's derogatory comments. How many Hispanics are studying French or Russian, or Swahili or Hausa or Arabic or Lou or Ibo or Susu or the tribal languages of Thailand, Burma or Vietnam? Americans are enrolled in classes and immersed in study of these and many more languages. What's the logic for learning Chinese - an antagonistic country that considers the USA it's enemy, when India is an ally? Why not be teaching Hindi ? A billion people are Indians - with lots of Indians in the USA, the British Commonwealth, Africa and Asia. Maybe Gudjarat would be better, given the global distribution of that merchant caste rather than Hindi.

Do not fall for the "other cultures are better" construct of the LEFT. Western Culture is a beacon to ALL people for it emphasizes the rights and dignity of the individual. "Other cultures" have practices that are not often spoken of, but are dangerous and destructive and impede progress and improvement. That's why so many people flee them, coming to the USA to make a better life.

673 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:39:30pm

re: #570 Charles

Man, we are being barraged by sock puppets this week. "imampatrol" is the previously banned creep "shmujew".

What the hell is wrong with these morons?

It is perplexing, so much time and effort to go where they are not wanted..

674 republic  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:39:35pm

re: #647 Occasional Reader

The B-2 crash is in the spinoff links. Damn shame, and a very expensive one. Good thing the crew got out, that's a sigh of relief.

Yes, it is a relief the pilots survived.

675 ackomanyuki  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:40:16pm

re: #637 reine.de.tout

re: #636 republic

OT:

What does a Stealth Bomber cost?

A lot.

1.2 Billion or so.

676 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:40:17pm

re: #649 mikeymom

i HATE to go visit-but hubby doesnt go very often, so i feel i have to-will go tomorrow for 2 hrs and i'm sure i'll be criticized and whined at--oh well-im getting my angel wings one feather at a time-lolol

Oh yes you are!

677 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:40:23pm

re: #614 Noam Sayin'

I think you could have said what a Moby was in less words. Whatever floats your boat, I guess. I looked at the, as you say, "F*uckin' manual" a couple years ago, but since I am in the army, and just returned from the field, once again, I don't refer to the "F*ckin' manual" every day. I come to LGF about once a week if I'm lucky and who knows what new terminology you guys who are here every day come up with. So please, pardon me for asking a "F*ckin' question."

678 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:40:25pm

Vidi Aquam
/G'nite, y'all

679 Doug  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:40:29pm

Nite all...nite. beachkatie, super hottie conservative girl.

680 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:41:09pm
681 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:41:11pm

re: #660 Sarge1984

re: #644 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel, what are the two academies, and how are they different? Do the rules apply to all Spanish, or is it a Mexico-specific thing? How can I keep current on this? The Spanish I learned is Puerto Rican Spanish, but I have daily interaction with Mexican Spanish-speakers, so this would be a good thing to know.

There is an Academy in every Spanish speaking country! lol
It doesn't end up in a total mess, thanks to the Royal Spanish Academy, always considered as arbiter and last worder (or almost always).
As we are mostly Catholic, we understand the values of a final authority vis-a-vis chaos LOL

As for different forms of Spanish, PR, Mexico; there are some words that differ, let's say 500 in normal conversation, while most of the rest are equal. It would be a matter of finding which words are proper of Mexico, for instance.
Perhaps getting in touch with the Mexican Academy in the USA. I think they have offices there.
Or directly down here.
Hope you get by all right! ;)

682 snowcrash  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:41:23pm

re: #572 Killgore Trout
Do you have stairs in your house? Excellent although at first I thought the pac chooi umpf sounded like Trans Europe Express (old techno song)

683 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:41:39pm

re: #666 Occasional Reader

Or, the Puerto Rican, eniguey.

Dammit. How do I get the two little dots over the "u"? Freakin' Anglo-centric Windows!

684 macintush  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:41:41pm

B-2 Spirit, between $1.15b (1998 $) and $2.5b, or about .25 - .5 aircraft carriers, or about .001 what a democratic presidency will cost, not counting inflation and economic stagnation.

685 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:42:12pm

re: #661 Occasional Reader

re: #644 MigueldowninMexico

Hm... well, as a non-Spaniard and non-Mexican, I'm sticking by my rights to not put accents on all-caps. This, because I don't know the damn alt+ codes for accents on capital letters...

Oh, in that case I wouldn't write the accents either lol
;)

686 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:42:24pm

re: #623 MigueldowninMexico

re: #602 Occasional Reader


re: #591 MigueldowninMexico

re: #543 OldLineTexan

re: #526 MigueldowninMexico
Miguel, if it happens to be so, I hope you are right.

Buenos noches, I have had a full day.


Buenas noches, amigo ;)
Oye Miguel... a question which seems to produce split authority among the hispanohablantes nativos... cuando escribes algo en TODO MAYUSCULA, pones acentos o no?
Si, si se ponen acentos.
La discusion es porque la regla cambio. Hasta los 80 no se ponia, pero ahora si jejeje.
He sido corrector de pruebas en un par de publicaciones, asi que tuve que informarme bien al respecto ;)

Interesting.
A question regarding the use of accents which babelfish didn't translate well until I replaced a number of i 's with í 's.
OK, maybe not so interesting.

687 solomonpanting  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:42:47pm
#274 stevieray

re: #233 wanumba

... Color isn't the criteria, Africans have learned that the hard way when snubbed by their so-called "American brothers" it's LEFT that trumps all.

Same thing with feminism and environmentalism. Adherence to leftist dogma trumps everything.

re: #584 ggt


Sounds like Michelle Obama has a personal problem. Condi Rice doesn't seem to have such problems.

On Michelle Obama's thesis, page 8, she quotes the Marxist, Stokely Carmichael:

The concept of Black Power rests on the fundamental premise: Before a group can enter the open society, it must close ranks. By this we mean that group solidarity is necessary before a group can operate effectively from a bargaining position from strength in a pluralistic society.

This is the major raison d'etre for the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and, to a degree, the Democratic Party. In their view Blacks cannot succeed without the joint efforts of the group, or the auspicies of the party. While I don't doubt that racism still exists to some degree, folks like Thomas Sowell, Colin Powell, Shelby Steele, Deroy Murdock, Bill Cosby, Condelezza Rice, countless other Blacks, and those first generation Africans whom have prospered through hard work, talent, and perhaps a bit of luck, continue to highlight America's exceptionalism.

688 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:42:57pm

re: #672 wanumba

Do not fall for the "other cultures are better" construct of the LEFT. Western Culture is a beacon to ALL people for it emphasizes the rights and dignity of the individual. "Other cultures" have practices that are not often spoken of, but are dangerous and destructive and impede progress and improvement. That's why so many people flee them, coming to the USA to make a better life


We should debate this another time. Interesting topic.

689 ggt  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:43:07pm

re: #677 kevinmumaw

Kevin --Thank you for serving!

690 addison  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:43:20pm

re: #636 republic

What does a Stealth Bomber cost?

Air Force quotes $1.157 billion ([Link: www.af.mil...] in 1998 dollars. Assuming no reduction in parts and assembly costs (a dumb assumption but let's do it anyway), that would be $1.49 billion in 2007 dollars (inflation calculator).

691 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:43:25pm

re: #629 Occasional Reader

re: #619 Opilio

re: #581 Occasional Reader
Anyone remember the movie whose closing line is "Madness! Madness..."

River Kwai. Give me something harder than that!

OK. thinking...

692 RTLM  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:43:27pm

re: the Guam B-2 crash. The reports are that its burning on the tarmac. Not the runway, but the tarmac. Usually used in the context of "taxiway". If this is the case, it likely it caught on fire in rout to the runway. The fact that the crew is reported as safe leads me to beileve there was no ejection, but rather an evacuation from an already burning airplane.

Pure conjecture at this point -

693 jcm  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:43:56pm

re: #674 republic

re: #647 Occasional Reader

The B-2 crash is in the spinoff links. Damn shame, and a very expensive one. Good thing the crew got out, that's a sigh of relief.

Yes, it is a relief the pilots survived.

Only a matter of time really, it's a mechanical object built and operated by humans. That's a billion of tax money I don't might putting at risk. Have those things makes a lot of nasty folks think twice.

694 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:44:10pm

re: #684 macintush

B-2 Spirit, between $1.15b (1998 $) and $2.5b,

The price varies mostly depending on whether it comes with the CD changer or not. (Also leather seats vs. cloth)

695 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:44:40pm

mich--whenever i think of angel wings, i think of john travolta in "Michael"--i love his dancing! but- i dont smell like chocholate chip cookies- not yet!

696 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:44:42pm

re: #639 MigueldowninMexico

re: #618 mikeinmd

#573 Miguel


I can assure you the math adds up. I just made up a figure. But I can not believe Americans are as stupid as to give people more than the wealth they create.


Have you heard of Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama?I may be just missing something you're implying, but I don't think so

re: #622 kevinmumaw

re: #573 MigueldowninMexico


But I can not believe Americans are as stupid as to give people more than the wealth they create.


I can assure you we are.

Ok, I won't comment further on this.
I would say the same of many of my countrymen...

It's about wealth re-distribution and not so much about immigrants. Overall we are an intelligent country...those in power, not so much.

697 gman  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:44:55pm

re: #549 Cognito

It's satire. You were right. What an incredible Obama- cult collection site.

698 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:45:07pm

re: #672 wanumba

Strategically, after decades of flirting with the Soviets, the continent is looking towards America, the ONLY nation on the planet that is equipped and inclined to have a genuinely positive relationship with Africa.

Yes we are and that was a great post.

699 6pat6  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:45:08pm
700 republic  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:45:11pm

re: #690 addison

re: #636 republic


What does a Stealth Bomber cost?

Air Force quotes $1.157 billion ([Link: www.af.mil...] in 1998 dollars. Assuming no reduction in parts and assembly costs (a dumb assumption but let's do it anyway), that would be $1.49 billion in 2007 dollars (inflation calculator).

Oh well, I'm sure they have Geico insurance.

:)

701 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:45:15pm
702 slokat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:45:21pm

re: #637 reine.de.tout

1.2B +/-

703 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:45:29pm

Still stunned about the B2, the crew getting out is very good news, says a lot about the training and safety systems. Crashed on takeoff, I'm thinking probably a technical/mechanical failure of some sort. I think that's the first one to be lost.

They are all named after States, I wonder which one..

704 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:45:47pm

re: #683 Sarge1984

re: #666 Occasional Reader

Or, the Puerto Rican, eniguey.

Dammit. How do I get the two little dots over the "u"? Freakin' Anglo-centric Windows!

It's not the OS. It's the keyboard.
I have it, but I on LGF the script is anglocentric. It shows as a ? untill you refresh the page.

705 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:45:53pm

re: #641 6pat6

Nearly a billion dollars each. That would be the first B-2 lost.

More than double that.

/twenty left?

706 Cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:46:06pm

re: #697 gman

re: #549 Cognito

It's satire. You were right. What an incredible Obama- cult collection site.

It's fantastic. It really is. Whoever runs it has some real skill.

707 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:46:07pm

re: #681 MigueldowninMexico

Where in Mexico do you live? I lived in Mexico City in the mid 90's.

708 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:46:50pm
709 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:47:06pm

re: #704 MigueldowninMexico

ü umlauts

710 Cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:47:08pm

re: #705 Killian Bundy

re: #641 6pat6

Nearly a billion dollars each. That would be the first B-2 lost.

More than double that.

/twenty left?

Twenty one. I've got a cherry red model under a cover in my garage.

Don't tell.

711 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:47:09pm

As I head off to bed, I leave you all with this.

GUNNIE: Good night ladies.
pukes: GOOD NIGHT DRILL SERGEANT!
GUNNIE: Hit it sweetheart!

712 jenv  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:47:54pm

re: #374 pat

In my State over 50% of marriages are inter-racial/inter-ethnic. But we don't have any of this crazy Muslim shit. Did you read Iran's Parliament is trying to pass a law that all apostates all over the world are to be killed?


That's not surprising, since Muslims think Islamic law applies everywhere.

713 republic  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:47:55pm

re: #699 6pat6

B-2 Spirit costs, specs, and general info

Thank you.

I'd have looked, but I am beat, and I knew a fellow Lizard would hook me up with the info.

My Goodness, I sound like a Democrat.

714 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:47:59pm

re: #677 kevinmumaw

re: #614 Noam Sayin'

I think you could have said what a Moby was in less words. Whatever floats your boat, I guess. I looked at the, as you say, "F*uckin' manual" a couple years ago, but since I am in the army, and just returned from the field, once again, I don't refer to the "F*ckin' manual" every day. I come to LGF about once a week if I'm lucky and who knows what new terminology you guys who are here every day come up with. So please, pardon me for asking a "F*ckin' question."

Kevin, a Moby is a post that's basically false in every aspect, but is posted to discredit the hosting blog. For example, some idiot registers here and posts a comment about how great white supremacy is, solely with the intent of using that post to discredit LGF.

Hang in there, hero.

715 Last Man  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:48:23pm

Proudly, Thulsa Hussein Doom(pbuh) and followers are fired-up-and-ready-to-go. May our sins be atoned, amen.

716 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:48:31pm

re: #686 Opilio

Accents are important, as they can change the meaning of a word.
El with no accent is "the" el with an accent (won't write it here, as the script doesn't take it unless one refreshes) means "he".
Just as an example.

717 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:48:57pm

re: #681 MigueldowninMexico

Is there a reference I can use online, or some place I can contact to get the correct usage, grammar, etc.?

718 addison  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:49:13pm

re: #700 republic

re: #690 addison

re: #636 republic


What does a Stealth Bomber cost?


Air Force quotes $1.157 billion ([Link: www.af.mil...] in 1998 dollars. Assuming no reduction in parts and assembly costs (a dumb assumption but let's do it anyway), that would be $1.49 billion in 2007 dollars (inflation calculator).

Oh well, I'm sure they have Geico insurance.

:)

That one may have had the chilled cup-holders and Bang & Olufsen stereo option, so you're probably looking at $1.6 billion.

719 slokat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:49:24pm

I hate it when I haven't remembered to refresh and seventeen hundred other people have already answered what appears to be a fresh post...

...to make amends & influence the mood, Brighter than Sunshine.

720 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:49:49pm

re: #671 jcm

re: #658 jenv


The Democrats call themselves the "party of the people", when if you look at it the party is dominated by very rich people. Dems call the Republicans the party of rich businessmen, when the Dems themselves look a lot wealthier than the Republicans are. I don't understand how they get away with it.

I'll take that kind of oppression.

My dad once told, with a straight face, that the Democrat Party is the party of the working man. I think I was maybe 12 or 13. He is a retired Teamster. I am pretty sure, looking back that he had his head filled with a lot of Union leadership propaganda. Unfortunately, it stuck with him, and he voted for Edwards in Florida. My mom, from whom I think I inherited my intelligence, and good looks, is much more independent, though we don't talk politics. I suspect she is a Hillary supporter, though I would not be surprised to see her going for McCain, either.

721 Karridine  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:50:04pm

re: #665 JWM

... But I have never seen posts from many of the folks who have been so kind as to send the positive clicks. You guys are the opposite of the creepy phantom dingers. Please feel free to jump in and join the conversation.

JWM

JWM, after much consideration these last 5 years, I believe that IF the lurkers were to all start 'joining in the dialogue' in real-time, the result, even IF workable under excellent server techniques and limitations, would run SO FAST, with SO MANY READABLE, VALUABLE and PERTINENT COMMENTS...

...that within minutes, ALL participants would again be reduced to dropping out of the active commenting in order to parse even a thread-within-the-thread...

/Respectfully, JWM, its this way, with these commenters at this level because it WORKS at about THIS level of interactivity...

722 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:50:34pm

re: #678 Killgore Trout
I just fell in love with this soul of killgore trout!

723 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:50:37pm

re: #707 kevinmumaw

re: #681 MigueldowninMexico

Where in Mexico do you live? I lived in Mexico City in the mid 90's.

Not far from Mexico City. About 100 miles from down town. (El Zocalo)

724 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:50:47pm

re: #701 savage_nation

re: #683 Sarge1984


re: #666 Occasional Reader

Or, the Puerto Rican, eniguey.

Dammit. How do I get the two little dots over the "u"? Freakin' Anglo-centric Windows!


Refer to the ASCII table the umlaut for the letter u is #252

Or just type &uuml; where you want the ü to appear, and voilà, there it is!

725 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:50:48pm

re: #708 savage_nation

I think that I was there just before that happened. They had just devalued the peso and the crime rate skyrocketed just as I was leaving.

726 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:51:20pm

re: #708 savage_nation

re: #707 kevinmumaw


re: #681 MigueldowninMexico

Where in Mexico do you live? I lived in Mexico City in the mid 90's.


Were you there when they had that killer earthquake?

That was in 85.

727 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:51:42pm

re: #723 MigueldowninMexico

OK. I attended the Universidad Iberoamerican. AKA, the Ibero. lots and lots of VERY pretty girls.

728 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:51:42pm
729 slokat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:52:12pm

re: #712 jenv

First time I read that post, I swear it said:

In my State over 50% of marriages are inter-galactic

730 Cognito  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:53:02pm

re: #729 slokat

re: #712 jenv

First time I read that post, I swear it said:

In my State over 50% of marriages are inter-galactic

Galacticist.

731 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:53:09pm

re: #717 Sarge1984

re: #681 MigueldowninMexico

Is there a reference I can use online, or some place I can contact to get the correct usage, grammar, etc.?

You can start here. :)

732 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:53:27pm

re: #723 MigueldowninMexico

re: #707 kevinmumaw


re: #681 MigueldowninMexico

Where in Mexico do you live? I lived in Mexico City in the mid 90's.


Not far from Mexico City. About 100 miles from down town. (El Zocalo)

re: #728 savage_nation
AMEN!

733 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:53:36pm

re: #714 Sarge1984

Roger, got it, thanks big Sarge!

734 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:54:17pm
735 Babydoc97  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:54:41pm

re: #570 Charles

Ya know, Charles, at the risk of sounding disgustingly obsequious... I am utterly dumbfounded as to how you are able to keep up with all the trolls, mobys, sockpuppets, et al., and get them banned so quickly...

Have you mastered human cloning? Or am I just not able to keep up with the increasing speed of this internet thingy?

736 jcm  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:54:57pm

$25 billion in research and development.
$1.25 billion per plane.
$2 million to train the flight crew.
$20,000 per hour to operate.

Sleepless night for the Mad Mullahs and Kim Jong Il...
PRICELESS.

Peace and security for 300 million Americans and a billion or so people under our umbrella...
PRICELESS.

737 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:54:58pm
738 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:54:59pm

re: #727 kevinmumaw

re: #723 MigueldowninMexico

OK. I attended the Universidad Iberoamerican. AKA, the Ibero. lots and lots of VERY pretty girls.

Yes, lots of beauties ;)

739 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:55:01pm

re: #704 MigueldowninMexico

Miguelito

Charles has made it very easy to put in characters of all kinds..when you post, look at the bottom of the box, where is says 'how to enter special characters'...for those of us who do not have a bi-lingual keyboard.

740 inquisitive  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:55:09pm

re: #664 6pat6

re: #642 inquisitive


Don't forget to hug/kiss and tell them you love them as ofter as you can.

My dad is in remission from leukemia. Went to visit him and Mom in September, when was quite sick, and again at Christmas. Dad has never been a "hugger", but we hugged I believe for maybe the second time back in September (first time was when my granddad died twenty years ago). I am not a touchy-feely type, either, but it was a good thing to do. Always have hugged my Mom, but never Dad. Strange how that works, isn't it?

Yes very strange---but didn't them hugs feel so GOOD!
I am thankful that my mom and dad was both huggers---I sure do miss them hugs now. Whenever we went in to my moms the first thing she would say is come over here and give me a hug and a kiss and by the time you got over to her her arms were opened wide to embrace you--okay got to go get the Kleenex!

741 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:55:13pm

Skeletor is defending Hitler.

/classic

742 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:56:09pm

re: #733 kevinmumaw

Any time, hero.

743 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:56:22pm

re: #734 savage_nation

re: #726 MigueldowninMexico


re: #708 savage_nation

re: #707 kevinmumaw

re: #681 MigueldowninMexicoWhere in Mexico do you live? I lived in Mexico City in the mid 90's.

Were you there when they had that killer earthquake?

That was in 85.

I knew a gal back when I was in school and she was downtown when the earth opened up. She is terrified of even a tiny tremor. I guess it was HUGE


Eight degress on the Richter scale.
The greates destruction in the history of Mexico City.

People living there who remember the big one in 85 are still traumatized with earth quakes.

744 Karridine  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:56:30pm

re: #712 jenv

Jen, I posted precisely that at #545. Mich Again caught it... if the Iranian parliament passes that law, a lot of good people will take on a LOT MORE GRIEF, in service of the Good Lord!

745 ggt  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:56:32pm

Even trying to say simple words in other languages is so frustrating for me. I work sometimes with some girls from Vietnam --I can't even hear what I am suppossed to be saying because they have vowel sounds we don't. It's always worth a good laugh when I try.

It's the same with other languages too, I can't hear what I am saying wrong.

My son, on the other hand, goes to a Catholic School where many of the students are Hispanic --he comes home every day with an Hispanic accent. He loses it over the weekend and then it's back all week.

Kids have it so easy when it comes to language.

746 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:56:43pm

re: #737 savage_nation

I think that Mel Gibson started a church that is all pre Vatican II. I think it is in LA or thereabouts.

/runs and ducks for cover at the mention of the MG...

747 gman  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:56:51pm

re: #718 addison


Bang & Olufsen- More great Danish products

748 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:57:12pm

re: #723 MigueldowninMexico

Remind me to tell you about my night in the Zona Rosa. I lost a girlfriend over that night. I know the Zocalo well. And, lastlly, Mexico City has an excellent subway system.

749 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:57:51pm

re: #738 MigueldowninMexico

re: #727 kevinmumaw

re: #723 MigueldowninMexico

OK. I attended the Universidad Iberoamerican. AKA, the Ibero. lots and lots of VERY pretty girls.

Yes, lots of beauties ;)

I still award top marks to las colombianas, though. All due respect to your female compatriots, and all, but...

750 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:58:01pm

re: #677 kevinmumaw

Just bustin' yer balls a bit. No harm meant. I pretty much consider any thread on a Friday night, the FNDT.

And thanks for your service, too. I really mean that.

751 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:58:06pm

re: #707 kevinmumaw

I did, in 1954, as an exchange student, when I was 16.

Colonia Justo Sierra. Escuela Secundaria Dies y Tres.

752 ggt  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:58:35pm

re: #737 savage_nation

There is one in Chicago! I don't know the name, but I'm sure you could google it.

753 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:58:37pm

re: #739 NY Nana

re: #704 MigueldowninMexico

Miguelito

Charles has made it very easy to put in characters of all kinds..when you post, look at the bottom of the box, where is says 'how to enter special characters'...for those of us who do not have a bi-lingual keyboard.


Thanks Nana!
The thing is that I'm too lazy to do that lol
If I write a comment in Spanish I would have to be constantly resorting to the special characters.
Thanks :)

754 Sarge1984  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:58:50pm

re: #724 Opilio

I'm sooo totally clueless about HTML. What symbols do i need to put around it for it to work?

755 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:58:54pm

re: #735 Babydoc97

What's a sockpuppet? jJst kidding. I'll refer to the F*ckin' manual.

756 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:59:15pm

re: #711 lone_wolf_in_illinois
yes!

757 slokat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 9:59:23pm

re: #730 Cognito

I'll have to add that to my card; slokat - Designer/Builder, Photographer & Galacticist.

kinda like - Wile E. Coyote: Super Genius

758 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:00:02pm

re: #738 MigueldowninMexico

I never knew there were blonde Mexicans. And they were Univision HOT. And they looked at me! Probably because I was a stupid looking gringo, but still.

759 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:00:34pm

re: #737 savage_nation
I have a while back.. LOOK on the internet!

760 slokat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:00:38pm

re: #735 Babydoc97

kiss ass!

/sarc ;)

761 ggt  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:01:00pm

re: #752 ggt

Here you go!

762 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:01:09pm

re: #716 MigueldowninMexico

re: #686 Opilio

Accents are important, as they can change the meaning of a word.
El with no accent is "the" el with an accent (won't write it here, as the script doesn't take it unless one refreshes) means "he".
Just as an example.

I studied Spanish for 3 years in high school, but alas that was 30 years ago. I did remember enough to know where to add the accents: Si --> Sí ponia --> ponía, asi --> así.

How many did I miss?

763 JWM  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:01:26pm

re: #721 Karridine

I didn't think of that, and you do have a point. But I remember how scary it was the first few times I jumped in on a thread. It was as hairball as being put on the air on a radio talk show. I just wanted to encourage those who may want to participate, but were feeling a little intimidated. Anyway- I'll make room for someone who does want to jump in. It's late, and I'm tired. 'nite all

JWM

764 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:01:36pm
765 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:01:41pm

re: #745 ggt

Even trying to say simple words in other languages is so frustrating for me. I work sometimes with some girls from Vietnam --I can't even hear what I am suppossed to be saying because they have vowel sounds we don't. It's always worth a good laugh when I try.

It's the same with other languages too, I can't hear what I am saying wrong.

My son, on the other hand, goes to a Catholic School where many of the students are Hispanic --he comes home every day with an Hispanic accent. He loses it over the weekend and then it's back all week.

Kids have it so easy when it comes to language.


They do! My son was between 5 and 7 1/2 when we were living in San Diego. He spoke hardly 50 words of English on arrival, he came back speaking like a parrot lol, and with such a good accent!

No bilingual ed. for him. Neither my late wife nor me wanted that, and we were very happy we didn't.

We wanted him bilingual and as he already knew Spanish well, his classes had to be in English.
Amazing facility at that age.

766 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:01:53pm

re: #753 MigueldowninMexico

De nada.

The thing is that I'm too lazy to do that lol

Y yo tambien! ;)

767 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:02:06pm
768 swamprat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:02:17pm

re: #728 savage_nation

re: #722 beachkatie


re: #678 Killgore Trout
I just fell in love with this soul of killgore trout!

The chant is something that keeps me sane. Trust me.


God and Beachkatie love you Kilgore Trout!
ducks and runs!

769 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:02:18pm

re: #750 Noam Sayin'

You know I'm joking. I assumed.

770 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:02:20pm

re: #748 kevinmumaw

re: #723 MigueldowninMexico

Remind me to tell you about my night in the Zona Rosa. I lost a girlfriend over that night. I know the Zocalo well. And, lastlly, Mexico City has an excellent subway system.

I will, kevin :)

771 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:02:39pm
772 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:03:08pm
773 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:03:33pm

re: #761 ggt
YOUR a cool dude!

774 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:03:37pm

re: #749 Occasional Reader

Never been to Colombia, but, spend a month in Mexico City and I think you'll develop a new world view on international beauties. I am still recovering from my whiplash.

775 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:03:52pm

re: #749 Occasional Reader

Yes? Not this Mexican.

776 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:04:06pm

re: #769 kevinmumaw

Not really, man. I actually thought you took offense.

777 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:04:35pm

G'nite y muy buenas noches!

778 swamprat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:04:44pm

re: #772 savage_nation

Thank you for that.

779 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:04:49pm

re: #758 kevinmumaw

re: #738 MigueldowninMexico

I never knew there were blonde Mexicans. And they were Univision HOT. And they looked at me! Probably because I was a stupid looking gringo, but still.

15% of Mexicans are white. From the very blond to the Mediterranean white.
That's about 16 million.

780 mikeymom  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:05:02pm

inquisitive- my family were always huggers and kissers--my in laws-not. (strange- they are italians!) when my boys were little- i always told them to hug and kiss their grandparents. later, my aforementioned m-i-l thanked me-told me it was the best thing i ever taught my kids-she and her hubby turned into huggers and kissers--spread the love

781 ggt  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:05:04pm

Goin' upstairs --see you there.

782 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:05:06pm

re: #629 Occasional Reader

re: #619 Opilio

River Kwai. Give me something harder than that!

OK. Name the movie containing the following exchange:

Such power exists?
I assure you, such power exists.

783 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:05:07pm
784 slokat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:05:13pm

re: #771 savage_nation

yeah, unfortunately they absorb everything that's around, not just what you want them to!

785 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:05:33pm

re: #762 Opilio

All correct!

786 rwmofo  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:06:07pm

re: #725 kevinmumaw

re: #708 savage_nation

I think that I was there just before that happened. They had just devalued the peso and the crime rate skyrocketed just as I was leaving.

Conversely when I left town the crime rate dropped and the average intelligence skyrocketed.

787 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:06:27pm

re: #771 savage_nation

re: #765 MigueldowninMexico

Kids are like sponges

Indeed the are!

788 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:07:12pm
789 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:07:15pm

re: #777 NY Nana

G'nite y muy buenas noches!

Buenas noches Nana!
:)

790 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:07:30pm

Yea! FNDT!

791 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:07:33pm

re: #774 kevinmumaw

re: #749 Occasional Reader

Never been to Colombia, but, spend a month in Mexico City and I think you'll develop a new world view on international beauties. I am still recovering from my whiplash.

Been to Mexico City, been to Bogota. I'm tellin ya... the former is good, but the latter wins. And Medellin is even better.

792 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:07:35pm

re: #776 Noam Sayin'

I feel bad. Ummm, sorry? I figured you were busting my balls and took it a little bit further. My bad.

793 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:07:37pm

re: #775 MigueldowninMexico

migueldownin mexico ? Remember lent!

794 slokat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:08:14pm

re: #782 Opilio

Cheats notes...

don't peek if you don't know

795 Karridine  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:08:16pm

re: #765 MigueldowninMexico


They do! My son was between 5 and 7 1/2 when we were living in San Diego. He spoke hardly 50 words of English on arrival, he came back speaking like a parrot lol, and with such a good accent!

...

We wanted him bilingual and as he already knew Spanish well, his classes had to be in English.
Amazing facility at that age.

And THIS, Miguel, forms the basis for Baha'u'llah's teachings on choosing a Universal Auxiliary Language... then all humans can have their OWN wonderful, multi-cultural language, and by only learning ONE other, they're instantly at home anywhere in the world...

It makes sense...

796 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:09:01pm

B-2 Stealth Bomber Crashes on Guam

A B-2 stealth bomber crashed at an air base on Guam but both pilots ejected safely and were in good condition, the Air Force said.

Thick black smoke could be seen billowing from the wreckage at Andersen Air Force Base, said Geanne Ward, a resident in the northern village of Yigo who was on the base visiting her husband.

/for better or worse, career ending injuries

797 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:09:05pm

re: #775 MigueldowninMexico

re: #749 Occasional Reader

Yes? Not this Mexican.

I love Thalia, but always thought she was an odd choice for singing "eres piel morena"...

798 slokat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:09:38pm

re: #788 savage_nation

wasn't quite going to that absorbtion rate, but glad my 17 year old is pissed at boys in general, for the moment.

799 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:10:43pm

re: #793 beachkatie

re: #775 MigueldowninMexico

migueldownin mexico ? Remember lent!

LOL katie.
Thalia is edgy, but not over the top.
Besides, she's married to Tommy Motola.
I don't look at married women more than once.
;)

Just showing there are beautiful Mexican women.

800 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:11:14pm

re: #791 Occasional Reader

Since you've been to both I'll take your word for it. I have friends in 7th Group, who spend a lot of time in Bogota, and of course I hear a lot their sordid stories of womanizing in Colombia, and didn't seem all impressed with their descriptions of Colombian women. I'm sure it is all relative, though.

801 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:11:32pm

re: #794 slokat

re: #782 Opilio

Cheats notes...

don't peek if you don't know

One of my favorite movies.

802 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:12:17pm

re: #795 Karridine

re: #765 MigueldowninMexico


They do! My son was between 5 and 7 1/2 when we were living in San Diego. He spoke hardly 50 words of English on arrival, he came back speaking like a parrot lol, and with such a good accent!
...

We wanted him bilingual and as he already knew Spanish well, his classes had to be in English.
Amazing facility at that age.


And THIS, Miguel, forms the basis for Baha'u'llah's teachings on choosing a Universal Auxiliary Language... then all humans can have their OWN wonderful, multi-cultural language, and by only learning ONE other, they're instantly at home anywhere in the world...

It makes sense...

It's here!

803 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:12:46pm
804 kevinmumaw  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:13:02pm

re: #796 Killian Bundy

Sh!t. At least they survived. Lot of crashes this week.

805 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:13:30pm

re: #797 Occasional Reader

re: #775 MigueldowninMexico


re: #749 Occasional Reader

Yes? Not this Mexican.



I love Thalia, but always thought she was an odd choice for singing "eres piel morena"...

Why? Her supposed boy friend in the song has dark skin.
Nothing odd there.
:p

806 jcm  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:14:00pm

re: #779 MigueldowninMexico

re: #758 kevinmumaw

re: #738 MigueldowninMexico

I never knew there were blonde Mexicans. And they were Univision HOT. And they looked at me! Probably because I was a stupid looking gringo, but still.

15% of Mexicans are white. From the very blond to the Mediterranean white.
That's about 16 million.

We have a family in our church immigrated to the US after generations in Mexico. Blond, blued eyed, and fair skinned. Descendants of a German Mennonite group that fled German to Mexico. They speak German, Spanish, English, French, and a unique dialect to their group.

807 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:15:25pm

re: #806 jcm

re: #779 MigueldowninMexico


re: #758 kevinmumaw

re: #738 MigueldowninMexico

I never knew there were blonde Mexicans. And they were Univision HOT. And they looked at me! Probably because I was a stupid looking gringo, but still.


15% of Mexicans are white. From the very blond to the Mediterranean white.
That's about 16 million.

We have a family in our church immigrated to the US after generations in Mexico. Blond, blued eyed, and fair skinned. Descendants of a German Mennonite group that fled German to Mexico. They speak German, Spanish, English, French, and a unique dialect to their group.

Oh yes I've met Mexican Mennonites in Chihuahua. ;)

808 slokat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:15:46pm

re: #799 MigueldowninMexico

Here in cali, I started calling the blonde haired blue eyed mexican hotties; "chica flickas" kind of a mex/swede mixture way of saying "hot chick".

(before I was married & all) ;)

809 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:16:06pm

re: #803 savage_nation
Amen to that ... But it she will be over due so to speak...LOOKOUT!

810 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:16:24pm

re: #792 kevinmumaw

No worries. We just gtimingotta work on our.

811 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:16:54pm

re: #800 kevinmumaw

I have friends in 7th Group

Tell them that the next time they're in Bogota, they should go to a place called Andres, Carne de Res, on the outskirts of the city. They will not be unhappy.

I ran into some 7th SF Group guys in Lima once; they were happy to be there after Ecuador... much prettier women in Lima.

812 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:18:33pm
813 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:19:28pm

re: #804 kevinmumaw

re: #796 Killian Bundy

Sh!t. At least they survived. Lot of crashes this week.

/they're still going to be forced to retire

814 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:21:00pm

re: #808 slokat

re: #799 MigueldowninMexico

Here in cali, I started calling the blonde haired blue eyed mexican hotties; "chica flickas" kind of a mex/swede mixture way of saying "hot chick".

(before I was married & all) ;)

I remember "My Friend Flikka" on TV when I was a kid lol

I'm jumping to the new thread.
New comments zoom in like lightning lol
;)

815 slokat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:22:11pm

re: #803 savage_nation

Sending her off to Germany this summer to babysit the daughter of her first Au' pair. She needs to figure out who she wants to be & needs time away from Mom.

816 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:22:44pm

re: #809 beachkatie
Good night all you guys. need my hopefully beautiful sleep tonight.. sweet dreams. see you tomorrow!

817 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:22:56pm
818 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:23:27pm

Good night.

819 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:24:55pm

OK. Nobody's playing anymore, but I won't let that stop me. Here's an easy one.

"if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth."

No looking at imdb...

820 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:25:23pm

re: #818 Occasional Reader
sweet dreams to you!

821 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:25:29pm
822 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:26:28pm

Dang, this thread is moving impossibly fast. I don't post that often around here anymore, but those of you who've been around the block know who I am...

re: #57 tokyobk

But Barack Obama is indeed above this kind of thing. It is his wife who is coming off as not visionary, as a complete stereotype of her time and place.

I sure would like an explanation of what you mean by that statement.


re: #176 David Simon

My eyes did not blink, my pulse did not waver. No tag necessary.


re: #592 Palandine

Breaking Bad might be the most remarkable comedic drama I've ever seen on television or in film.

For anyone who hasn't seen it, it requires some emotional control, because the writers don't pull punches. The acting is sublime. If you haven't watched it I very strongly recommend that you watch your listings for an airing of the first episodes before watching the newest one, they are politely doing that for us. And it means everything to this series.

The scene in the basement regarding the broken plate may be the most gut-wrenching fictional moment I've ever experienced. Sometimes we need to be reminded of just how very complicated moral decisions can turn out to be.

A must-see for all fully adult viewers.

823 beachkatie  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:26:38pm

re: #821 savage_nation
YOU to savage-nation!

824 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:27:14pm
825 slokat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:28:19pm

re: #819 Opilio

got me on that one, but it sounds like my life; sometimes, lately...

826 Babydoc97  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:30:51pm

re: #711 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Full Metal Jacket - basic training, bedtime in the barracks scene.

827 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:33:24pm

Why does this "thesis" remind me of the "I can't be racist becuse I'm black" mentality? I get tired of it. When I was in college, we had alot of students admitted because of affirmative action. I'd love to see the statistics of how many graduated. However that's not the point. The majority of them had white girlfriends yet became quite angry if a white boy dated a white girl. However, this wasn't racist because they were black. I saw the same nonsense in the military. Why do people have to insist on living up to every stereotype in the book? I used to cringe when they'd have th "Martin Luther King JR. Day basketball tournament".

828 Opilio  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:34:36pm

re: #825 slokat

re: #819 Opilio

got me on that one, but it sounds like my life; sometimes, lately...

Well, since it seems to be you and I left, it's from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Perhap not as easy a reference as I thought. I sometimes forget that the übergeeks that comprise most of my social circle may not be all that representative of society in general. :-)

829 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:34:40pm

oops, I meant to say if a white boy dated a black girl.

830 Babydoc97  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:37:52pm

re: #737 savage_nation

If you aren't hung up on the SSPX brouhaha, then here's a website to find the Tridentine Mass near you:

[Link: www.sspx.org...]

831 LeePro  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:38:20pm

re: #737 savage_nation

re: #732 beachkatie

re: #723 MigueldowninMexico

re: #707 kevinmumaw


re: #681 MigueldowninMexicoWhere in Mexico do you live? I lived in Mexico City in the mid 90's.


Not far from Mexico City. About 100 miles from down town. (El Zocalo)

re: #728 savage_nation
AMEN!

I wish I could find a church that has the Latin Mass.

Why!? ? ?

832 Babydoc97  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:42:36pm

re: #755 kevinmumaw

Sockpuppet - someone who posts under a different name to make it appear that a viewpoint is held by more than one person...or someone who has been banned under one name trying to get back on using a different name - but saying the same thing.

833 wanumba  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:44:52pm

Thanks all.
I like everyone of good will - and find them everywhere in every country, bar none. I do not believe in the human construct of "race" for it automatically places one person above another when God has given everyone equal worth before Him.
I have a very strong concept of the horrible effects of "culture" having worked with severely malnourished children - their wretched state a function of cultural practices of polygamy, made more pathetic by blackmailing of distraught parents by witch doctors and greedy neighbors who perceived an opportunity to hit up the parents for money. It was the solid, fact-driven approach of Western concepts of nutrition, health and cause and effect that gave these parents hope and relief from their distress, a concrete way to help the children they loved.
It was Americans living in villages, giving up the comforts of home to sit at night reading by kerosene lanterns, walking along dirt roads, digging fish ponds by hand, teaching classes in mud buildings, planting trees, teaching improved business practices at farm cooperatives, getting seeds out, teaching carpentry, improved animal husbandry - all these skills and talents developed in Western society being transferred to people who were eager to learn.
How many people realize there are Americans sitting right now in the most remote places on the planet, giving their lives to help people with per capita GNP of $250 per year - against Mexico' $6,000 or America's of over $20,000 per year? Americans sitting in Afghanistan, on the DMZ, keeping North Korea out of South Korea, in Iraq, in Germany, AMerican business men and women everywhere ... Americans as a nation have more international experience than any other country on the planet, but are belittled for having none. Europeans who sniff that AMericans don't know languages when they themsleves settled for French or German or SPanish only - completely ignoring the languages of West Africa, or Philippines or South Asia. Europeans who knew every king of Europe, but couldn't find Chile or Botswana on the map, Asians who could rattle off cities from Bangok to Seoul but never heard of Niamey or Ougadougou, not a single city from Nouakchott to Wau. How many billion people think New York is all there is to America while American missionaries who first reported to the world the Buruli ulcer infection, who are right now performing surgeries on poor people from African villages - on board ships equipped with the latest medical equipment - all provided through private donations from private citizens.
If you saw all this with your own eyes, your heart would swell with pride for the fine and selfless work being done by many, many average Americans. It's a cultural thing, helping others. Not every culture promotes it - yes for one's family or tribe - but not beyond that. American compassion goes beyond tribal and group limitations. It's different, and people like it when they see it.

So, just making comments to get people to think outside the box that the LEFT has constructed - the artificial parameters that keep people from looking at the whole world versus a small segment of it.

So, with that, enjoy and catch ya'll later.

834 slokat  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 10:54:13pm

re: #828 Opilio

...holy hand grenade. Just didn't process...

835 afdad  Fri, Feb 22, 2008 11:30:06pm

re: #104 Cognito

It's sad, really.

Michelle spent four years thinking the "whites" were ostracizing her because she was a "black." If only she had known they were whispering, "Where is her bowtie?"

Cognito, I do believe you are one of the few people who looks to have noticed who, and what both Obama's political, and social views reflect. Looking back, I thought there was something familiar about Obama's rhetoric when I first heard him speak, then once I had the chance to read some of the stuff from His Church's website, I knew where I'd heard that stuff before. A Christian version of the NOI.

Back in the late 60's, and early 70's when I was going to College, I went to a school that was heavy in enrollment with Nation of Islam members who were always talking about Elijah Mohammed's preaching. Obama sounds so much like the same BS, only slightly cleaner. Calypso Louie has always had a problem with his speeches as he doesn't couch it in the flowery BS of old, but Obama sure sounds as if he's got the BS down pat albeit in a supposed Christian format.

Whatever he's selling, I ain't buying, even if at no cost.

836 finallyhere  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 12:50:43am

re: #209 Hawaiian cocoNUT

Do we know whether she was admitted to Princeton on a quota? That's a sure way to make one feel on the periphery.

I do not know about quota, but by her own admission her school advisers considered that she did not have grades and test scores to get to Princeton, unlike her brother. But she applied anyway and was admitted.

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

She did well in school (she skipped second grade), but she was not at the top of her class. She didn't get the attention of the school's college counselors, who helped the brightest students find spots at prestigious universities. "Princeton, the Ivy Leagues swoop up kids" like Craig, Michelle says. "A black kid from the South Side of Chicago that plays basketball and is smart. He was getting in everywhere. But I knew him, and I knew his study habits, and I was, like, 'I can do that too'." Some of her teachers told her she didn't have the grades or test scores to make it to the Ivies. But she applied to Princeton and was accepted.
837 finallyhere  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 1:04:40am

re: #290 Alas

The crush on Obama, like all crushes, has a limited shelf life. Then Obama will be crushed, too late for Hillary but not too late for McCain.

Let's hope.

838 Macker  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 3:14:20am

I can see with this revelation, my "award" for Michelle Obama is most definitely warranted.

"Race Card"

839 clayusmcret  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 5:29:20am

re: #46 Ps2

everything you want to know about obama...to date...

[Link: www.freedomsenemies.com...]

If even half of this site's information is true, it causes me great concern. The thread took on a life of its own while I was reading Obama's (and his family's) life history so I don't know if it was discussed later. But it does concern me that this could be the next siting President.

840 Jaydee  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 5:48:22am

Jeez, trying wade through so much sh*t to read the posts on topics, is quite tiresome, lost the will.

841 Right Brain  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 6:18:23am

Ask not what your country can do for you, but rather what you can do for your country.

Not.

842 HoustonDriller  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 6:40:05am

Alas, another demonstration of the left's successful campaign to assure a permanent underclass supporting their politics (dems).
This goes to show that this underclass can never build on any success - there's always a "see!" The rest of society - not just whitey, but everyone - might rightly ask, "Why bother? What's the use?"

843 BingoBunny  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 8:14:27am

I've been in the company of some very rich and powerful people.. I'm not doing bad myself.. but I don't expect to fly every where on their jet planes. She should thank America for what she has..and axe her self how many smelly black laborers she has had over for tea lately?

844 opinionated  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 8:48:45am

I wonder if Michelle took any psych courses at Princeton.

If she had, she might have realized that her subjective understanding of her environment in school may have been the defense mechanism of projection.

Did she feel she belonged in Princeton? Or was she conscientiously or unconsciously haunted by a feeling of inferiority, imagining that she was there only by the grace- and unfairness- of affirmative action.

Does she cite actual racism toward her? Or did she just feel that she didn't belong?

Maybe you felt that way Michelle because you did not belong. Most all of Your classmates earned and merited their places. Did you? Or was your race your admission?

845 pocomoco  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 9:07:44am

Recently, in what should be described as a Freudian slip, Michelle Obama announced that, during her formative years, she “was not proud of America”.

It is obvious that, as a young girl, Michelle had been pre-programmed to believe that any perceived difficulties she encountered in her life were due to the ‘The Man’ wanting to keep her down because of her gender and ethnicity.

It made no difference that ‘The Man’, in creating Affirmative Action, was responsible for her getting into institutions like Princeton and Harvard even though she lacked the merit to do so.

Still, she was bound and determined to prove that her pre-programming was correct, which her thesis attempts to do, in spite of the fact the many of the black students she surveyed didn’t meet the template of her thesis.

But, today at age 44, she still refuses to acknowledge what America has done for her in giving her the freedom to be able to create a successful life, and in the possibility that she may become the First Lady of the United States even though it has been ‘The Man’, the white voters, who have been responsible for catapulting the Obamas into a heretofore unimaginable circumstance.

It would appear that, because of her gender and ethnicity, she still believes that she ‘deserves’ everything she got, and the word grateful doesn’t enter into her thoughts.

846 Backstaber  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 9:20:21am

Michelle Obama: the New Hillary.

847 neverquit  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 9:43:39am

Well, it's not a riveting page turner is it?

848 harpsicon  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 10:00:08am

re: #837 finallyhere

re: #290 Alas


The crush on Obama, like all crushes, has a limited shelf life. Then Obama will be crushed, too late for Hillary but not too late for McCain.

Let's hope.


I'm afraid that this is wishful thinking, and that if you're in Texas you should definitely go vote for Hillary. Obama is so well organized that the damage his folk could do if he's elected could really be awesome. Better not to take the chance - people who think he will somehow automatically lose to McCain when people recover their sanity are whistling in the dark, imho.

Obama came to Dallas this week and had a big rally in Reunion Arena with 15,000 people and his usual Messiah shtick. Hillary was here yesterday, and her people set up a meeting in a parking lot in an Hispanic neighborhood at 9am on a work day, with the temperature around 30 degrees. Whoever "planned" this has probably been running the rest of her campaign (no effort in caucus states, or after Super Tuesday, etc.), and this is surely why she's losing.

The Obama effort is VERY slick and effective, and one has to think that the same people will be running the White House while BO serves as the emotional front man.

I would be very wary about punishing Hillary at this point if this gang are the beneficiaries. Can they out-plan and out-maneuver McCain? In a split second imho...

849 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 10:01:38am

Unless people at Princeton were behaving in an anti-social manner towards Michelle, than her feelings of being unwelcome were being generated within her - not from the outside.

If she really wanted to have an experience of feeling ostracized and alienated on a college campus, she could have announced herself to be a black conservative.

850 swampy  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 10:48:55am

>>>Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second.”

Hey, Michelle, folks only mirror back the image you have of yourself. If you'd quit projecting yourself as "black" first, instead of intelligent woman, peer or equal, you'd probably be treated differently. You are one angry black woman. Let it go. Being black seems to be your security blanket and you call it up any time people (white, green yellow purple) disappoint you.

I'm just sick and tired of folks like you who keep reminding me how black you are, how "your people suffered", how life is so difficult for you. I don't want to hear it. I never owned a slave. My white ancestors died in the Civil war to set your ancestors free. I grew up in the deep south, but hold everyone, regardless of color in respect until they do or say something to cause me to think differently about them.

Michelle, how can whites "move on", when blacks like you keep pointing out their "blackness"? Where's the equality in "Black History Month", MLK Day. Geeez.. MLK was a great man, but he gets a whole federal holiday all to himself and the man who set his people free (Abe Lincoln) has to share President's day with the likes of Jimmy Carter? Arrr!

I recently attended the funeral of a black lady that had been part of my family for 40 years. It was a wonderful, joyful service and went on for three hours in the Shilo Baptist Church. I can't tell you how honored *I* was that my family was mentioned in the printed obituary as being "special friends and extended family" of the departed.

851 funky chicken  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 12:54:50pm

#9 lawhawk, the thesis is interesting in that it sets up the next 17 years of her life's work and ideology, thus making it prudent to wonder if she still hold these same views, or if something miraculous occurred to make her less of a racist.

Here's a conference she organized in 1997 that starred her husband and retired Weatherman terrorist William Ayers.

[Link: www-news.uchicago.edu...]

money quote from the release?
The juvenile justice system was founded by Chicago reformer Jane Addams, who advocated the establishment of a separate court system for children which would act like a “kind and just parent” for children in crisis.

One hundred years later, the system is “overcrowded, under-funded, over-centralized and racist,” Ayers said.

852 gardenia  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 1:09:57pm

reine.de.tout: #19: Obama wears the pants, Michelle tells him which ones to wear.

853 gardenia  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 1:12:03pm

#850: Swampy: Your posting is awesome.

854 InternationalObserver  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 1:42:00pm

re: #9 lawhawk

Okay... I'll bite on this - why exactly is Michelle Obama's thesis important?

It is important because it means that any self-respecting white male should never vote for either Obama or Hillary.

The Democrats have spent 40 years committed to identity politics rather than class politics. While class politics (as exemplified by FDR) has many arguments in its justification (and is the legitimate basis for leftist parties), identity politics is nothing more than the "women + AA" majority ganging up un-Constitutionally to keep the 35% white male minority in its place.

Hillary showed her commitment to this early on. The Clinton White House had difficulty filling administration posts because Hillary had commanded that there be hired at least one woman and one minority for every white male - a quota to keep white males down.

Michelle's thesis proves an Obama administration would have the same weltanschauung.

855 SnakeFarm  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 2:19:03pm

I don't believe in Glock either but it's just because prefer H&K pistols. Glocks just don't FEEL right to me.

856 neverquit  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 2:52:16pm

re: #855 SnakeFarm

I don't believe in Glock either but it's just because prefer H&K pistols. Glocks just don't FEEL right to me.

I've always been partial to the old 1911 myself. But that's just me.

857 EE  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 2:57:21pm

What is the point of advocating change, when the kind of change isn't specified?

When the kind of change that its advocates have in mind would be utterly unacceptable to the public, the path to getting that change is to do it in two steps: first get the public to sign a blank check, signing on to change; then they are ripe for the kind of change that they wouldn't otherwise have accepted.

Here is what Saul Alinksy wrote about how to go about getting revolutionary change [that the public would not accept if proposed directly]:

Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution.

858 EE  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 3:03:52pm

re #857, the quote was included in a spin-off link on Obama's terrorist acquaintances. Here is a Wikipedia article that includes this quote by Alinsky:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Hitler also stated (in German, of course) that Everything must change!
When you have some change in mind that you would rather not talk about, the path to selling it is to first sell the idea of change itself. It's like getting a blank check on change, and only later filling in the blank portions of the check, including showing just what change you have in mind.

859 EE  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 3:09:07pm

re #857
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]
mentions the Nazi slogan: Everything must be different! Alles muz anders zein!

860 EE  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 3:10:47pm

re #859

"Everything must be different!" or "Alles muss anders sein!" was a slogan of the Nazi Party. It is also the heart's desire of every Leftist since Karl Marx. Nazism was a deeply revolutionary creed, a fact that is always denied by the Left; but it's true. Hitler and his criminal gang hated the rich, the capitalists, the Jews, the Christian Churches, and "the System". They went through their Leftist phase early in life, and then went on to discover Aryan racial purity as their beau ideal. (As a swarthy Italian, Mussolini preferred to appeal to ancient Roman imperial glory).
861 onepistoffyid  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 3:16:14pm

re: #850 swampy

>>>Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second.”

Hey, Michelle, folks only mirror back the image you have of yourself. If you'd quit projecting yourself as "black" first, instead of intelligent woman, peer or equal, you'd probably be treated differently. You are one angry black woman. Let it go. Being black seems to be your security blanket and you call it up any time people (white, green yellow purple) disappoint you.

I'm just sick and tired of folks like you who keep reminding me how black you are, how "your people suffered", how life is so difficult for you. I don't want to hear it. I never owned a slave. My white ancestors died in the Civil war to set your ancestors free. I grew up in the deep south, but hold everyone, regardless of color in respect until they do or say something to cause me to think differently about them.

Michelle, how can whites "move on", when blacks like you keep pointing out their "blackness"? Where's the equality in "Black History Month", MLK Day. Geeez.. MLK was a great man, but he gets a whole federal holiday all to himself and the man who set his people free (Abe Lincoln) has to share President's day with the likes of Jimmy Carter? Arrr!

I recently attended the funeral of a black lady that had been part of my family for 40 years. It was a wonderful, joyful service and went on for three hours in the Shilo Baptist Church. I can't tell you how honored *I* was that my family was mentioned in the printed obituary as being "special friends and extended family" of the departed.

Swampy, Michelle Obama is the bad cop to Barak''s good cop. She can spew out the victim-hood rap to the brothers and sisters in the 'hood, while Barak peddles his non threatening, Sydney Poitier impersonation to the rich white guys...but all the while with a wink and a nod to Farakahn and Sharpton...this is a con job of the highest order, and Michelle screwed up by letting folks see behind the curtain, if just for a minute.

862 wanumba  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 3:57:35pm

Excellent catches by EE in multiple postings #857 - #860
re: #857 EE

What is the point of advocating change, when the kind of change isn't specified?
When the kind of change that its advocates have in mind would be utterly unacceptable to the public, the path to getting that change is to do it in two steps: first get the public to sign a blank check, signing on to change; then they are ripe for the kind of change that they wouldn't otherwise have accepted.


Thank you for giving us the roots and the counter to the CHANGE placards being waved around. It's gonna take some solid rhetorical grappling to be able to get through the in thrall state of the CHANGE Democrat lemmings.

It's perfectly positioned, and slyly appealing this creepily innocuous mantra CHANGE. People ARE genuinely tired of the Clintons and they've been lectured for 8 years that everyone should be tired of Bush. People don't want to be rich anymore? They don't want to be number One? They don't want to have the latest tech first? The lowest fuel prices, the best selection in the supermarkets? They are tired of low crime rates, a peacefully secured homeland? This CHANGE thing is pure trouble.

863 Nat-X  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 6:23:47pm

A change to what? A liberal, socialist dhimmi Nanny State that surrenders to Islamists and dutifully pays its carbon tax to the U.N.

864 BaruchAdam  Sat, Feb 23, 2008 8:16:22pm

Who will win "The Most Destructive Spouse" AWARD?

A. Rudy's wife was a house wrecker and perhaps a bit naive

B. Hillary's husband leave stains to mark his trail and will be overly influencial in her White House

C. Barack's wife with a poison pen and a frighteningly big mouth

865 RobCon  Sun, Feb 24, 2008 5:55:46am

"only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.”
Gee, I guess she was WRONG!

866 das  Sun, Feb 24, 2008 1:55:28pm

On a purely human, adult-to-adult level, Michelle's recent comments are disappointing.

You hope that by age 40 the shoulder chips of youth have gotten knocked off enough so they do not reappear so forcefully in adulthood. What adults value in each other is a hint of graciousness and a sense of humor about the self, life, common humanity, etc. I'm saying that MO lacks graciousness; this, in a person who has accepted the largess of expensive institutions and influential people, is disappointing.


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