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 RetweetBarack Obama's Double-Dealing on NAFTA

Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 8:39:26 am PST

Canadian Television has a bombshell story on the hypocrisy and double-dealing of Barack Obama; apparently a senior member of his staff told Canadian officials that Obama’s promise to repeal NAFTA was just “campaign rhetoric,” and should not be taken seriously. Here’s a video clip:

Youtube Video

And CTV has published another story this morning, naming names: Opponents slam Obama after CTV story on NAFTA.

Allegations of double talk on NAFTA from the Obama and Clinton campaigns dominated the U.S. political landscape on Thursday.

On Wednesday, CTV reported that a senior member of Barack Obama’s campaign called the Canadian embassy within the last month saying that when Senator Obama talks about opting out of the free trade deal, the Canadian government shouldn’t worry. The operative said it was just campaign rhetoric not to be taken seriously.

The Obama campaign told CTV late Thursday night that no message was passed to the Canadian government that suggests that Obama does not mean what he says about opting out of NAFTA if it is not renegotiated.

However, the Obama camp did not respond to repeated questions from CTV on reports that a conversation on this matter was held between Obama’s senior economic adviser — Austan Goolsbee — and the Canadian Consulate General in Chicago.

Earlier Thursday, the Obama campaign insisted that no conversations have taken place with any of its senior ranks and representatives of the Canadian government on the NAFTA issue. On Thursday night, CTV spoke with Goolsbee, but he refused to say whether he had such a conversation with the Canadian government office in Chicago. He also said he has been told to direct any questions to the campaign headquarters.

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1 Tumulus11  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:40:27am
. 'Just words.'
2 jaunte  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:42:19am

Oh, it's just a lie. Well ok then.

3 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:42:37am

Just poop.

I don't take his words too seriously, either.

4 Ben Hur  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:42:49am

We should use the hammer...and the sickle.

5 GregInSeattle  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:43:11am

I wonder if McCain will have the stones to call this idiot on the blantant lies he's telling? Mabye that'd be too impolite?

6 vxbush  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:43:12am

See? Obama's perfect, because he's all things to all people!

7 EC Marm  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:43:13am

It almost sounds like someone is engaging in "taqiyya" but I can't say that 'cause it might be "fear-mongering."

8 Ben Hur  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:43:17am

Racist Canadians.

How dare they!

9 zmdavid  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:43:34am

Everything he says is just “campaign rhetoric,” and should not be taken seriously.

10 Maximu§  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:43:34am

Obama-O-Rama should stand by his words and admit NAFTA was a mistake, whole factories were shipped away and many left jobless.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

11 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:43:38am

Oops. Somebody let the truth slip out. The msm will bury this quick.

12 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:43:44am
13 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:44:05am

Amazing. The first firm, substantive plan out of the candidate, and it's a l...li...uuh...restructuring of the truth.

14 flynmudd  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:44:11am

re: #7 EC Marm

Racist!

/NOT

15 BingoBunny  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:45:17am

of course it's campaign rhetoric.. have the dems ever pulled out of a worthless treaty? where would the international approval test land them if they did that?

16 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:46:23am

Gee, this almost sounds like the old "what is, is argument."

17 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:46:23am

I hope Clinton pounds the snot out of him with this pack of lies.

18 coquimbojoe  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:46:25am

Shocka from Baracka!

Ohio's been hurt by NAFTA apparently. Hey Ohio, lower business taxes and make it easier for employers there...

/Just sayin'

19 mean Gene  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:46:29am

Aren't treaties whole cloth?
You don't opt out of portions of a treaty while you re-jigger it.
You scrap it and write a new one.
So, he lied during the debate.
This is news?
Hillary probably knew better but said the same thing.

20 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:46:34am

You suppose any of the pinheads voting for this guy could even name more than one Canadian province?

21 EtNorskTroll  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:47:23am

Obama?

Lying?

I don't...I don't even know where to begin.

~ENT

22 Ben Hur  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:47:35am

Pulling out of Iraq is also just campaign rhetoric.

23 seekeroftruth  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:48:04am

re: #5 GregInSeattle

Tucked in the article:
The story caught the attention of Republican front-runner John McCain on Thursday.
"I don't think it's appropriate to go to Ohio and tell people one thing while your aide is calling the Canadian ambassador and telling him something else," McCain said, referring to Obama. "I certainly don't think that's straight talk."

24 eon  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:48:36am

What surprises me is that this seems to have surprised the media.

I wonder which surprised them more- a politician running for office making a statement he (apparently) has no intention of standing behind if elected, or a campaign" operative" for said politician openly admitting that politicians (including his boss) routinely lie through their teeth to get elected?

Not that the rest of us out here in the real world hadn't figured that out a long time ago, that is.

/the real world does not, of course, include the "progressive" base

cheers

eon

25 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:48:37am

CHANGE ,,, (don't worry, it's just “campaign rhetoric,” and should not be taken seriously)

HOPE (don't worry, it's just “campaign rhetoric,” and should not be taken seriously)

26 greenmamba  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:48:53am

.. and CTV is a typical western media outlet; definitely anti-Republican, all the usual, predicable leanings.

27 obscured by clouds  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:49:26am

I want my soul saved! Inspiration! Nothing else matters! *faints*

/now give me some room and some water.

28 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:49:29am

Why do I have Harry Mudd in my head? "I'm lying". Then all the androids go mad, maybe obamarama can make some moonbats heads smoke with all this "nuanced" campaign rhetoric.

29 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:50:10am

Barak Obama can speak out of both sides of his mouth on the SAME side.

30 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:50:13am

About Austan Goolsbee:

As a high school student at Milton Academy, a prestigious New England preparatory school, Goolsbee became one of the most decorated competitive speakers in the nation. In 1987, he became the first extemporaneous speaking competitor to go through an entire year of competitions placing only first. This included winning the NCFL national championship in extemporaneous speaking for the second time and winning the National Forensics League's national championship in international extemporaneous speaking as well as placing second in the nation in original oratory.
31 Transplanted Tribe Fan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:50:17am

Is there anything this empty suit *won't* promise? I heard a campaign ad for him in Ohio yesterday, and he is promising:

1. "free" health care for everyone, *and* he will reduce costs! (how?)

2. paid parental leave for everyone (he'll help the states pay for this. again, how?)

3. "help" with child care costs (once again, how?)

These in addition to eliminating all income taxes for "the elderly", reducing taxes on "the middle class" and increasing virtually every spending boondoggle known to the federal government.

What he doesn't say is how he's going to pay for any of this.

What I want to know is this: where's my "free" Disney vacation and pleasure boat? Surely he'll give me these for "free" as well?

Apparently, budget deficits are only a concern when a Republican occupies the White House.

32 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:50:29am

re: #25 sattv4u2

CHANGE ,,, (don't worry, it's just “campaign rhetoric,” and should not be taken seriously)

HOPE (don't worry, it's just “campaign rhetoric,” and should not be taken seriously)

Well, I feel better now.

33 EtNorskTroll  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:50:31am
"Obama’s senior economic adviser — Austan Goolsbee"

Oh, man: you can't even make these kinds of names up~!

Sounds like something Bart Simpson would come up with--'Amanda Huggenkis', 'Ineda Bath', etc...

~ENT

34 Ben Hur  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:50:36am

More than half the crap pols say is campaign rhetoric.

Then they get into office, see what the real information is, and their advisors, military and otherwise, advise them, and it's usually the same advise the former guy was given.

Example:

When Sharon was running for PM, he made some wild statements.

When he took office, someone asked him why hasn't he done what he said should be done, and he answered something to the effect, "When you in the office, your view changes."

35 chinesearithmetic  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:50:39am

Audacity!

36 galtg  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:50:43am

Thursday night, CTV spoke with Goolsbee, but he refused to say whether he had such a conversation with the Canadian government office in Chicago. He also said he has been told to direct any questions to the campaign headquarters.

GOTCHA!

37 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:51:02am

re: #29 chubby vegan

This Chuck Norris stuff with the Ossiah can go on forever!

38 ROP?LOL  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:51:16am

"Just campaign rhetoric (for domestic consumption) and should not be taken seriously".
Kinda like dinnerjacket calling for the destruction of Israel. Just for (Iranian) domestic consumption, not to be taken seriously.
Move along.

39 JohnAdams  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:51:22am

A politician talking out of both sides of his mouth? Shocka!

I think the Repubs are licking their chops at the possibility of cutting Obama down over the next several months. Hilary could have done it easily enough, but her hands are tied--she's in the same party!

Obama--lots of style, not much substance, and what is there can be drawn and quartered pretty easily. Six months ago I'd have thought the GOP had no shot against any Democrat. Now I think McCain will win rather easily.

40 pat  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:51:40am

What else is he lying about? Maybe he is not such a loon after all.

41 ornery elephant  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:51:41am

Who knows...this just might be related to the thread/topic...

Ahmadinejad Calls Iran's Islamic Revolution " A Leap Towards Perfection For Mankind"

"Like those great events, the Islamic Revolution, too, was a long leap towards mankind's reaching the peak of perfection...

"Our nation's second important mission is introducing the Islamic Revolution to the entire mankind.
..the only perfect school of thought that can lead the human society towards blessed life in this world and salvation in the other world is Mohamedan Islam.

42 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:51:44am

So he changed his story...

CHANGE!

I love him even more!

[swoon]

43 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:52:01am

re: #31 Transplanted Tribe Fan

Is there anything this empty suit *won't* promise? I heard a campaign ad for him in Ohio yesterday, and he is promising:

1. "free" health care for everyone, *and* he will reduce costs! (how?)

2. paid parental leave for everyone (he'll help the states pay for this. again, how?)

3. "help" with child care costs (once again, how?)

These in addition to eliminating all income taxes for "the elderly", reducing taxes on "the middle class" and increasing virtually every spending boondoggle known to the federal government.

What he doesn't say is how he's going to pay for any of this.

What I want to know is this: where's my "free" Disney vacation and pleasure boat? Surely he'll give me these for "free" as well?

Apparently, budget deficits are only a concern when a Republican occupies the White House.

How can you be sew meeen? It's for the chiiillldrennn.

44 Doug  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:52:02am

We are being bamboozled!

No I don't mean by Osama Obama. He's not a Muslim mole! He doesn't have a hidden agenda! RACISTS!

45 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:53:07am

Blame Canada.

46 Doug  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:53:29am

re: #16 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

oooh baby. (rrrow)

47 Dianna  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:54:01am

That is unusually brazen.

Now to read what the rest of you have said, which I'm sure will be witty and insightful.

48 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:54:03am
49 itellu3times  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:54:35am

Typical dem, if not just plain typical politician, sounds well and makes no sense, has no real grasp of anything including his own positions.

50 harrylook  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:54:45am

So, it looks like you have to go to Canada to see a news story that is remotely critical of Obama...

51 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:55:03am

re: #31 Transplanted Tribe Fan


What he doesn't say is how he's going to pay for any of this.


After Obama makes an omelet, he winds up with more eggs than he started with. The mathematics of change.

52 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:55:40am

re: #48 Iron Fist

Wowowowowowowow! Made me happy. Thanks.

53 cookielady  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:55:54am

re: #39 JohnAdams

A politician talking out of both sides of his mouth? Shocka!

I think the Repubs are licking their chops at the possibility of cutting Obama down over the next several months. Hilary could have done it easily enough, but her hands are tied--she's in the same party!

Obama--lots of style, not much substance, and what is there can be drawn and quartered pretty easily. Six months ago I'd have thought the GOP had no shot against any Democrat. Now I think McCain will win rather easily.

McCain is busy tying everyone's hands. He wants everyone to be extra nice to his 'good friend and colleague' from the Senate. The Republicans are not licking their chops, their tails are already between their legs.

54 troonbop  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:56:34am

Kinda funny, cause most of my fellow canucks are just itching to vote for a democrat, any democrat at all. I was hoping this peice of news about nafta might penetrate the fog; nope.

55 brent  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:56:42am

I wonder if it's campaign rhetoric, or if everything this cat has ever said in office is rhetoric.

I'm just saying let's not box him in...

What an empty freeking suit. Should make a perfect (D) candidate.

56 cookielady  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:57:07am

re: #47 Dianna

To whom are you addressing this comment?

57 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:57:19am

re: #51 Pullus Iulius

re: #31 Transplanted Tribe Fan


What he doesn't say is how he's going to pay for any of this.

After Obama makes an omelet, he winds up with more eggs than he started with. The mathematics of change.

Excellent! Now I understand the new math.

58 alegrias  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:58:01am

Who needs NAF(ree)TA or any trade agreements, when Spanish speaking laborers are FREE to walk in and take jobs in the USA?

Democrats have stated they want wide open borders and no id cards, no problem.

And promise new big fat taxes on US companies so employers stay in the USA. (NOT)

Dont' worry--McCain may have read Greenspan's book, but democrats know Marx-onomics by heart.

59 sparrowlake  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:58:02am

Pardon my ignorance but aren't Canadian environmental and labour standards basically similar to or even stricter than U.S. standards?
If so, then why are BHO/HRC talking about renegotiating these NAFTA standards with Canada when everyone knows it is Mexico that has the unfairly low environmental and labour standards?
Shouldn't they be promising to boot Mexico out of NAFTA unless Mexico imposes comparable standards so as to level the playing field?
/Just askin'.

60 JohnnyReb  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:58:20am

He is just saying the stuff his handlers tell him to say, just like any other pol. Nothing new here. Then his guys go in and clean up the mess with phone calls and the like.

He has no platform and more importantly to me, he has no clue!

61 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:58:36am

re: #56 cookielady

memememememe!

62 Transplanted Tribe Fan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:58:45am

re: #51 Pullus Iulius

re: #31 Transplanted Tribe Fan


What he doesn't say is how he's going to pay for any of this.

After Obama makes an omelet, he winds up with more eggs than he started with. The mathematics of change.

LOL! I hope you're right!

63 Thanos  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:58:52am

While this might seem to be a big deal, I don't think it is with the Democrat base. Remember, they *expect* their candidates to lie.

64 LindaMarie  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:58:54am

re: #25 sattv4u2

CHANGE ,,, (don't worry, it's just “campaign rhetoric,” and should not be taken seriously)

HOPE (don't worry, it's just “campaign rhetoric,” and should not be taken seriously)

Christian,,, (don't worry, it's just “campaign rhetoric,” and should not be taken seriously)

65 winston06  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:00:04am

Hussein Obama might be resorting to Taqqiyah...

66 Golem Akbar  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:00:11am

He's the candidate of perpetual hope. Since he can't get a story straight, everyone hopes he means what they think he means.

67 JohnAdams  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:00:12am

re: #34 Ben Hur

More than half the crap pols say is campaign rhetoric.

Then they get into office, see what the real information is, and their advisors, military and otherwise, advise them, and it's usually the same advise the former guy was given.

Example:

When Sharon was running for PM, he made some wild statements.

When he took office, someone asked him why hasn't he done what he said should be done, and he answered something to the effect, "When you in the office, your view changes."

re: #57 debutaunt

re: #51 Pullus Iulius


re: #31 Transplanted Tribe Fan

What he doesn't say is how he's going to pay for any of this.

After Obama makes an omelet, he winds up with more eggs than he started with. The mathematics of change.

Excellent! Now I understand the new math.


Learned in the Madrassa, on an abacus of course. All medieval-like.

68 alegrias  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:00:25am

re: #51 Pullus Iulius

re: #31 Transplanted Tribe Fan


What he doesn't say is how he's going to pay for any of this.

After Obama makes an omelet, he winds up with more eggs than he started with. The mathematics of change.


* * *

That's the mathematics of hope.
He studied Marxian miracles, not math.

69 irongrampa  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:00:34am

Listening to Obama's message of HOPE and CHANGE, I'd HOPE to have some CHANGE left when he's done.

70 Golem Akbar  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:01:00am

re: #60 JohnnyReb

He is just saying the stuff his handlers tell him to say, just like any other pol. Nothing new here. Then his guys go in and clean up the mess with phone calls and the like.

He has no platform and more importantly to me, he has no clue!

Ah, but most importantly, he looks and sounds good. /Can't you just feel the tingle in your legs?

71 cookielady  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:01:11am

re: #61 chubby vegan

Actually, now that I re-read it, I think she is addressing the article and not a commenter!

I'm so confused... another cup of tea will help.

72 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:01:44am

Damn triangulating politician.

And whenever we get a president "of color" let us hope for the historic memory of it, that it is an excellent president.

I fear it would not be so now.

73 jjag  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:02:10am

"Austan Goolsbee"

Is it just me or does this name sound like something right out of "Atlas Shrugged"?

74 cookielady  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:02:25am

re: #72 Ojoe

Damn triangulating politician.

And whenever we get a president "of color" let us hope for the historic memory of it, that it is an excellent president.

I fear it would not be so now.

Jindal '12!

75 cartoonboy  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:02:58am

Don't be a dope-get some hope.

76 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:03:08am

US sends 3 warships to Syria, Lebanon

WASHINGTON - The US Navy is sending at least three ships, including at least one amphibious assault ship, to the eastern Mediterranean Sea in a show of strength during a period of tensions with Syria and political uncertainty in Lebanon.

Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters Thursday the deployment should not be viewed as threatening or in response to events in any single country in the volatile region.

This is an area that is important to us, the eastern Med,’ he said when asked about news reports of the ship movements. It’s a group of ships that will operate in the vicinity there for a while,’ adding that it isn’t meant to send any stronger signals than that. But it does signal that we’re engaged, we’re going to be in the vicinity, and that’s a very, very important part of the world.’

77 jaunte  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:03:16am

re: #70 Golem Akbar

Can't you just feel the tingle in your legs?

Don't ignore the warning signs of phlebitis...

78 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:03:17am
79 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:03:18am

re: #59 sparrowlake

If so, then why are BHO/HRC talking about renegotiating these NAFTA standards with Canada when everyone knows it is Mexico that has the unfairly low environmental and labour standards?

Doesn't matter, all the talk about "having the same labor and environmental standards" is union-sponsored bullcrap anyway. "Sure, we're in favor of free trade with Mexico, once Mexican workers start getting paid thirty bucks an hour... then it'll be fair." It's just protectionism in sheep's clothing.

80 Golem Akbar  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:03:19am

Chris Matthews felt a tingle in his legs when he saw Obama deliver one of his speeches. But when I hear the Obama girl sing of her love, I get a tingle in my pants. Surely not the same thing.

81 Golem Akbar  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:03:55am

re: #77 jaunte

re: #70 Golem Akbar


Can't you just feel the tingle in your legs?

Don't ignore the warning signs of phlebitis...


That could explain it.

82 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:03:55am

re: #73 jjag

"Austan Goolsbee"

Is it just me or does this name sound like something right out of "Atlas Shrugged"?

I was thinking more Deepspace Nine...

83 snowcrash  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:04:21am

I am suspicious when a big story breaks on Friday. Media release planned so it will slip off the radar over the weekend?

84 winston06  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:04:29am

A lying empty suit unfit to be even a junior Senator

85 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:04:46am

But, but Obama makes people feel good.

86 cartoonboy  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:04:54am

Obama farts-Dems cheer.

87 CIA Reject  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:05:34am

The aide who made the phone call will be sacked and the MSM will spin the story to make Obama somehow look like a victim. The MSM is not ready to give up on their Golden Child...

88 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:05:40am

re: #74 cookielady

I googled him.

We've no lack of alternatives to what the political-media machines thrust under our noses, it seems.

89 alegrias  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:05:43am

re: #76 Kenneth

US sends 3 warships to Syria, Lebanon

WASHINGTON - The US Navy is sending at least three ships, including at least one amphibious assault ship, to the eastern Mediterranean Sea in a show of strength during a period of tensions with Syria and political uncertainty in Lebanon.
Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters Thursday the deployment should not be viewed as threatening or in response to events in any single country in the volatile region.

This is an area that is important to us, the eastern Med,’ he said when asked about news reports of the ship movements. It’s a group of ships that will operate in the vicinity there for a while,’ adding that it isn’t meant to send any stronger signals than that. But it does signal that we’re engaged, we’re going to be in the vicinity, and that’s a very, very important part of the world.’

* * *
Remember when the USS Cole was attacked by jihadists during the presidential debates of 2000, in October?
NO democrat mentioned it!
Pres. Clinton didn't even send a strongly worded letter.

This time I "hope" the USS Cole is armed for bear.

90 Golem Akbar  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:05:44am

re: #83 snowcrash

I am suspicious when a big story breaks on Friday. Media release planned so it will slip off the radar over the weekend?


It's a story worth saving. If it does happen that Obama becomes the dem candidate, then we can go back to it. As of now, Hillary (aka: Countess Dracula) is still alive.

91 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:05:47am

George F. Will seems say that Goolsbee is (at least) a responsible lefty.

/He only wants some free stuff...not everything free

92 mj  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:05:48am

About Nafta:

""What a sad showing from candidates who are going around promising to repair the Bush administration's supposed alienation of our friends around the world. Is this how they plan to do it? By dealing with our neighbors and trading partners in Canada and Mexico with threats and ultimatums? . . . All because the environmental standards that arch Republican Vice President Gore negotiated into Nafta aren't strong enough for the Green extremists running for the Democratic nomination this time around — and because the candidates want to use the trade agreement, rather than the International Labor Organization, to dictate labor standards in neighboring countries. Something like 1,000 economists got together to warn Congress against a protectionist surge when Messrs. Smoot and Hawley were concocting the legislations that helped tip America, nay the world, into the Great Depression. One would have thought the Democrats would have learned."
[Link: www.nysun.com...] via
[Link: instapundit.com...]

93 jaunte  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:05:56am

re: #82 Occasional Reader

There are a lot of Goolsbees in northern Mississippi.
I've never heard of anyone named Austan before, though.

94 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:05:57am
95 Russkilitlover  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:06:13am

Oh-Baaama...you got some 'splainin' to do.

96 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:06:19am

Totally OT, then again... Wife just answered the phone, it was the NY Times wanting to know if we'd like to subscribe! I live 3 hours east of Seattle. The red half of Washington state. I guess they don't look or care where they are calling. Too bad, she was very polite. I was down stairs putting laundry in. :(

97 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:06:52am

Actually the hypocrisy goes one better and is racist to its core-

Democratic objection to Nafta is not about Canada, its about Mexico. Canadian, wages, laws, regulations and business practices are not and have never been the issue of NAFTA.

Mexico is the issue of NAFTA. Dems cannot say that because speaking the simple truth about Mexico's divergent standards (thought to give Mexico full credit they have come very far in the last 20 years); it is Mexican wages and government practices that are Dems problems with NAFTA. It is the threat to union control of US wages and big labor's hatred of free trade that are the issue of NAFTA. Canadian truckers are indistinguishable from their US counterparts- Dems cannot say what they cannot say- Mexico's standards lag far behind the US and Mexican government oversight, is deficient because of Mexico's comparatively corrupt business and government practices.

Those are words that Democrats dare not speak to the latino community. Once again, Democrats park the truth at the door.

98 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:07:22am

Obama has such a nice sounding voice.

...and he's not just for change; he's for change we can believe in.

99 Old Buick Tanker  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:07:47am

Just another lying politician, nothing to see here...keep moving...

(spit)

100 sparrowlake  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:07:58am

re: #78 Iron Fist

re: #59 sparrowlake,

You are expecting them to tell something approximating the truth. This is against the Democrat Party Platform Plank that calls for lying in every circumstance. It's right next to the plank that mandates adultry.

Sorry, how stupid of me.

101 Sounder  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:08:04am

"Obama’s promise to repeal NAFTA was just “campaign rhetoric,”

And that is exactly how he should be taken: nothing but a pile of rhetoric in a suit.

102 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:08:08am

re: #98 Ringo the Gringo

Lincoln had a high squeaky voice. Go Figure.

103 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:08:34am

And let me add that I too have been touched by Obama's message of HOPE and I can honestly say that Obama has filled with one of the greatest hopes I have ever had:

I SURE AS HELL HOPE HE IS NOT ELECTED.

104 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:08:40am
105 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:08:52am

re: #90 Golem Akbar

re: #83 snowcrash


I am suspicious when a big story breaks on Friday. Media release planned so it will slip off the radar over the weekend?

It's a story worth saving. If it does happen that Obama becomes the dem candidate, then we can go back to it. As of now, Hillary (aka: Countess Dracula) is still alive.


Yes ,, but I do beleive there is a silver bullet in her (Tuesday,,, Ohio and/ or Texas ) future

106 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:08:55am

re: #83 snowcrash

I am suspicious when a big story breaks on Friday. Media release planned so it will slip off the radar over the weekend?

That the 5 pm Friday news dump. The Clintons perfected that routine. Usually reserved for those mysterious billing records that would suddenly appear after five years of subpoenas were ignored by Her Thighness.

107 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:09:21am

I'm out of here to work.

Carry on, this site is important.

108 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:09:21am

re: #102 Ojoe

Lincoln had a high squeaky voice.

Really? I never heard that.

Patton did, too, btw. George C. Scott sounded nothing like him.

109 jamgarr  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:09:25am

"Pay no attention to the senior economic adviser behind the curtain!"
The Great and Powerful Barak

110 sparrowlake  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:09:50am

re: #79 Occasional Reader

re: #59 sparrowlake


If so, then why are BHO/HRC talking about renegotiating these NAFTA standards with Canada when everyone knows it is Mexico that has the unfairly low environmental and labour standards?

Doesn't matter, all the talk about "having the same labor and environmental standards" is union-sponsored bullcrap anyway. "Sure, we're in favor of free trade with Mexico, once Mexican workers start getting paid thirty bucks an hour... then it'll be fair." It's just protectionism in sheep's clothing.

Could it be that they are afraid to threaten to boot Mexico out of NAFTA because of the Latino vote?

111 EtNorskTroll  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:10:09am

re: #56 cookielady

re: #47 Dianna

To whom are you addressing this comment?

That would be me, cookielady.

Please make a note of it.

Thanks.

/snark, off

*wink*

~ENT

112 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:10:11am

re: #98 Ringo the Gringo

Obama has such a nice sounding voice.

...and he's not just for change; he's for change we can believe in.

But will he quickly change again when we want to believe something else?

113 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:11:06am

re: #101 Sounder

"Obama’s promise to repeal NAFTA was just “campaign rhetoric,”

And that is exactly how he should be taken: nothing but a pile of rhetoric in a suit.

Damn. I was convinced that the suit was empty.

114 BabbaZee  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:11:09am

The Obamanable Snowjobman
October 2002 Speech
"Against Going to War With Iraq"

WARNING!
This link goes to one of the moonbattiest sites on the whole web

SNIP


What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.


SNIP

115 zmdavid  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:11:27am

re: #96 pingjockey

I guess they don't look or care where they are calling.

They can't, that would be profiling.

116 neverquit  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:11:30am

Isn't it ok for Muslims to lie to us infidel kaffirs?

117 threecoloursblue  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:12:01am

re: #106 JammieWearingFool

Here's something for your boy Vance to get his teeth into; earn his shilling.
David Irving is being invited to speak at University College Cork in a debate on Censorship.
Personally, I don't think it'll happen since all the left groups have sworn to stop it.

118 Bob in Breckenridge  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:12:40am

re: #12 Iron Fist

Maybe his talk of surrendering Iraq is just campaign rhetoric. Hell, maybe he doesn't mean a damn thing he says. That would be interesting.

Ummm, what exactly has Obama said? Other than the word "change" 467 times per speech/rally?

It's almost too hard to believe so many people are being bamboozled by this empty suit.

119 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:12:56am
120 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:13:21am

re: #115 zmdavid
you would think they'd stick to blue areas. just sorry i didn't get to take the call. mwahahaha!

121 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:13:22am

re: #114 BabbaZee

WARNING!
This link goes to one of the moonbattiest sites on the whole web

It goes beyond moonbattiness and into pure fabrication.

122 BabbaZee  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:14:02am

re: #121 MandyManners

Moonbattiness DEPENDS on pure fabrication!

123 EtNorskTroll[deleted]  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:14:12am
124 ctrlL  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:15:16am

re: #7 EC Marm

It almost sounds like someone is engaging in "taqiyya" but I can't say that 'cause it might be "fear-mongering."

/Maybe be a cultural thing ?

125 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:15:25am

re: #122 BabbaZee

re: #121 MandyManners

Moonbattiness DEPENDS on pure fabrication!

Sometimes there is a kernel of truth to moonbattiness but, that place is pure bunk.

126 sparrowlake  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:15:29am

re: #121 MandyManners

re: #114 BabbaZee


WARNING!
This link goes to one of the moonbattiest sites on the whole web

It goes beyond moonbattiness and into pure fabrication.

Don't toy with me, I'm getting fidgety and agitated.

127 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:16:16am
128 threecoloursblue  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:16:23am

re: #102 Ojoe

Did you know that there's a recording of an elderly man recounting how as a young boy he crawled under the stage when Lincoln was giving his Gettysburg address.
Amazing- for me- was that even as an old man he had a neutral, almost english, accent.

129 bulwrk  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:16:28am

re: #102 Ojoe

re: #98 Ringo the Gringo

Lincoln had a high squeaky voice. Go Figure.

Most accounts of his voice describe it as a nasally twang

130 alegrias  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:16:52am

Mexico doesn't need to enforce NAFTA ~ if workers don't like the third rate conditions, they can walk on over, the USA's fine.

(Why are so many of these "worker's paradises" polluted, dirty, and poor, despite their enlightened Marxist economies?)

A liberal friend says China is to polluted for US athletes to go there.
Imagine that!

What about Tien an Men and one-child policies? Silence.
How about them cute pandas?

131 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:17:06am

re: #71 cookielady

oh

132 Stringart  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:17:10am

re: #50 harrylook

So, it looks like you have to go to Canada to see a news story that is remotely critical of Obama...

Not so fast there - this is the first even remotely, kinda, sorta critical piece on Obama up here and that's only because Ontario profits so immensely from free trade and the media is based in Ontario. If Obama hadn't lied, I mean campaign-rhetoriced, about NAFTA, we'd still be hearing how he walks on water.

(Not so) funny thing - back in the 90s, Jean Chretien campaigned on tearing up NAFTA, won and promptly forgot all about it. Like Obama, he pandered to the stupid just so he could get elected. Once elected, he couldn't tear up NAFTA, not without destroying Ontario's economy and thereby losing the next election.

How can you tell when a lefty politician is lying? His lips are moving.

133 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:17:16am

Liberal Fascism, Islamism and the 21st century

Both liberal fascism and Islamic fundamentalism put God on earth; both are theocracies in the sense they believe that God actually rules temporally. In the first case the Deity takes the form of an enlightened vanguard; in the second case Allah rules through the Caliphate via Sharia law.

...The words "My Kingdom is not of this world" preserves both God's Kingdom and our freedom. We may come to God, through the perils of life and danger of damnation. But we arrive before Him as free beings. Sans the muttawa and sans the scourge of political coercion.

Must read essay of the day.

134 oh_dude  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:17:40am

A politician talking shit? This ain't news. But what does piss me off is aren't the Dems the ones who have been whining for so long that Bush's unilateral attitude has alienated us from the rest of the World?

Neither of these clowns has even been elected to the office and already they're ruffling the feathers of our allies and closest neighbors.

135 cookielady  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:17:46am

re: #111 EtNorskTroll

:-)

136 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:17:55am

re: #114 BabbaZee
did you read the comments? what a hoot. moonbat central.

137 LindaMarie  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:18:19am

re: #116 neverquit

Yes it is. Even required.

138 CIA Reject  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:18:48am

re: #119 savage_nation

re: #108 Occasional Reader

re: #102 Ojoe

Lincoln had a high squeaky voice.

Really? I never heard that.

Patton did, too, btw. George C. Scott sounded nothing like him.

But George C. Scott did a fantastic job with that Patton role.

Yes, fantastic and then some. I remember reading about a study done somewhere where they showed a group of people who were born after WWII separate photographs of Patton and George C. Scott and asked them to identify the people in the photographs.

The majority of the test subjects identified the photo of George C. Scott as General Patton and had no idea of who the other guy was.

139 Torrey Trooper  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:19:32am

Time "Magazine" offers aid and comfort to He Whose Middle Name Must Not Be Mentioned, suggesting that he take the opportunity to explain what his 'beautiful' middle name means and doesn't mean.
Why is Obama's Middle Name H***n
The article does mention Mohammed's son-in-law, but somehow omits to explain that Muslims choose that name to assert that they are lineal descendants of Mohammed. Is that the "heritage" that HWMNMNBM will be explaining to us, along with some rational argument why a Christian would retain that name?
If a Christian who ostensibly "reverted" to Islam chose to retain the name "Christopher" or "Christian", would that not raise eyebrows?

140 BabbaZee  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:19:48am
But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

~ Obamanable Snowjobman

re: #125 MandyManners

Moonbat "philosophy" relies on the big lies no matter who it is, but this site is second only to Prison Planet IMO.
However the full text of a lot of what the Obamanable says is also posted there. Which was why I used the link, and also to show just who loves him.

141 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:19:51am
142 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:20:02am

re: #89 alegrias

I bet every sailor and Marine on the USS Cole is thinking the same ting. Sending the USS Cole to the Syrian coast is a nice way to say "f*ck you" to the Islamofascists.

143 jamgarr  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:20:23am

re: #139 Torrey Trooper

He Whose Middle Name Must Not Be Mentioned

LOL!

144 EtNorskTroll  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:20:32am

re: #104 ploome hineni

re: #76 Kenneth

Israel prepares for assault on Gaza
Defense sources: Possible invasion likely to entail paralyzing Hamas, may extend to "regime change."

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

The world needs Hamas like fish need bicycles.

/just sayin'

~ENT

145 sparrowlake  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:20:53am

re: #133 Kenneth

Liberal Fascism, Islamism and the 21st century


Both liberal fascism and Islamic fundamentalism put God on earth; both are theocracies in the sense they believe that God actually rules temporally. In the first case the Deity takes the form of an enlightened vanguard; in the second case Allah rules through the Caliphate via Sharia law.

...The words "My Kingdom is not of this world" preserves both God's Kingdom and our freedom. We may come to God, through the perils of life and danger of damnation. But we arrive before Him as free beings. Sans the muttawa and sans the scourge of political coercion.


Must read essay of the day.

Sorry, I'm boycotting French today.

146 ctrlL  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:20:59am

re: #30 experiencedtraveller

About Austan Goolsbee:


As a high school student at Milton Academy, a prestigious New England preparatory school, Goolsbee became one of the most decorated competitive speakers in the nation. In 1987, he became the first extemporaneous speaking competitor to go through an entire year of competitions placing only first. This included winning the NCFL national championship in extemporaneous speaking for the second time and winning the National Forensics League's national championship in international extemporaneous speaking as well as placing second in the nation in original oratory.

Barack's friend, Gov. Deval Patrick (of the borrowed quote fame), is an alumnus (1974) of Milton Academy. What a coincidence !

/not

147 loppyd  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:21:05am
On Thursday night, CTV spoke with Goolsbee, but he refused to say whether he had such a conversation with the Canadian government office in Chicago. He also said he has been told to direct any questions to the campaign headquarters.

A refusal is to discuss might as well be an admission.

Lunch...

BBL

148 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:22:03am

re: #126 sparrowlake

re: #121 MandyManners


re: #114 BabbaZee

WARNING!
This link goes to one of the moonbattiest sites on the whole web

It goes beyond moonbattiness and into pure fabrication.

Don't toy with me, I'm getting fidgety and agitated.

Not nearing projectile vomit, are you?

149 LindaMarie  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:22:10am
One of the most entertaining opportunities that will emerge in 2007 will be using Barack Obama to fight Islamofascism.
His first name is taken from the Islamic term in Arabic for “blessed,” baraka, used in the Koran.
. He moved with his mother and stepfather to Jakarta when he was six, where he attended a Moslem medressa (religious school). That makes him a Moslem. There is no mention of this in the chapter of his book, The Audacity of Hope,
The opportunity in this is not accusing him of being a “closet Moslem.” It requires taking him at his word that he has become a Christian — for that means he is an apostate. There is no dispute among either ancient or modern Moslem scholars that under Islamic law, a murtadd, “one who turns his back on Islam,” an apostate, must be put to death
You can see how much fun there is to be had with this. Again, the key is taking Obama at his word that he is a Christian and not secretly a Moslem. No accusations necessary. The point is that Moslems view him as first a Moslem, not that he does. If done right with honest, straightforward, and persistent questioning Obama can serve as a quite useful anti-islamofascist tool.
Moslems will be infuriated with him for embarrassing them, Americans will tell themselves never to vote for someone with Hussein in their name to be their president

http://www.brookesnews.com/070801obama.html

This election could be fun after all!

150 EtNorskTroll  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:22:22am

re: #142 Kenneth

re: #89 alegrias

I bet every sailor and Marine on the USS Cole is thinking the same ting. Sending the USS Cole to the Syrian coast is a nice way to say "f*ck you" to the Islamofascists.

Payback is a bummer, Kenneth.

A real bummer.

/mess with the Bull...

~ENT

151 AuntAcid  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:22:27am

re: #73 jjag

"Austan Goolsbee"

Is it just me or does this name sound like something right out of "Atlas Shrugged"?

"Austan" is just the beginning. He cursed his kids too.

152 S.P.E.C.T.R.E.  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:22:30am

Uh oh! Obama's starting to realize that the world is paying attention to everything being said. Statements from a would-be US President suffer great scrutiny around the world!

153 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:22:47am

re: #48 Iron Fist

Since we can't call him Hussein, how about "Barack bin Lying"?

Perhaps we could go with Barack Janus Obama.

He is the candidate of CHANGETM.
No one knows if he will bring barbarity or civilization.
And now he is apparently talking out of both sides of his mouth, something the two faced Janus would find almost natural.

154 irongrampa  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:23:01am

I keep saying that understanding moonbats (the first step in effectively combatting them) is to realize that they-the "reality based community" operate from a fiction based reality. Once this is clear, then they become as little children having tantrums, and as easy to control.

155 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:23:24am

re: #18 coquimbojoe

Shocka from Baracka!

Ohio's been hurt by NAFTA apparently. Hey Ohio, lower business taxes and make it easier for employers there...

/Just sayin'

We've been hurt more by the idiots who raised our minimum wage by $2. Good luck to any teen who wants to get their first job.

156 threecoloursblue  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:23:25am

re: #140 BabbaZee

Where was he wrong? Undetermined length? Cost? AlQ. on the rise?

157 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:23:29am

re: #114 BabbaZee


"I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him." -Barak Obama, 2002

Sooo... Obama said Saddam had WMD? That nice to know. And Saddam was a bad guy, but just that he was not willing to do anything about it.

158 Stringart  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:23:58am

re: #98 Ringo the Gringo

Obama has such a nice sounding voice.

...and he's not just for change; he's for change we can believe in.

What's with all this change crap?

I'm in Alberta where we're having a provincial election on Monday. The party that has governed for almost 40 years has a campaign slogan that just cracks me up - change you can trust. Re-electing the same guys and policies is not change, even if you could trust it. Or believe in it.

159 EtNorskTroll  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:25:21am

re: #151 AuntAcid

re: #73 jjag

"Austan Goolsbee"

Is it just me or does this name sound like something right out of "Atlas Shrugged"?

"Austan" is just the beginning. He cursed his kids too.

I once had a doctor did something out of my ear that he called an "Austan Goolsbee", but it was a little difficult for me to hear at that exact moment.

I might have gotten what he said, wrong.

To this day, I'm not entirely sure...


~ENT

160 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:25:27am

re: #140 BabbaZee

Prison Planet is a hoot!

Where's my concentration camp, I asks ya'!

161 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:26:11am

re: #157 Kenneth

Or, in the words of the late Pat Paulsen, "I misquoted myself."

162 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:26:28am

re: #145 sparrowlake

Hey, the French are sending more soldiers to fight in Afghanistan. They're not your old cheese eating surrender monkeys anymore. They're cheese eating Al Qaeda stomping Frenchies now!

163 flynmudd  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:26:50am

re: #89 alegrias

Patriot missiles, lots of them.

164 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:26:53am

Rush is discussing this now.

165 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:26:53am

Limbaugh talking about this now.

166 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:26:56am

re: #161 Pullus Iulius

Still wish he was alive for this one.

167 Ben Hur  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:26:59am

"If only the MSM got on his case one month earlier"

/Repeated over and over and over by Hillary in a padded room, Nov 08.

168 Dianna  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:27:20am

re: #56 cookielady

The topic - I thought Obama's lie was unusually brazen, even for a politician. Even for a Democrat. Even for a Chicago Democrat Machine politician.

I'm also surprised that CTV called him on it.

169 LindaMarie  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:27:22am

re: #154 irongrampa

I keep saying that understanding moonbats (the first step in effectively combatting them) is to realize that they-the "reality based community" operate from a fiction based reality. Once this is clear, then they become as little children having tantrums, and as easy to control.

Any hints on control appreciated. I end up just walking away before I either throw something. Sound like a child having a tantrum don't I? Well at least I leave.

170 christheprofessor  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:28:02am

Completely OT but a quick laugh...

171 alegrias  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:28:07am

May I point out that our freeing Afghanistan and Iraq means that many folks with Afghan and Iraqi names are not only working with our troops and helping save their lives, but will become US citizens and friends.

There's plenty leftist positions and statements to criticize.

172 flynmudd  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:28:50am

re: #169 LindaMarie

Take them over your knee and spank the spoiled out of them.

173 BabbaZee  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:29:31am

re: #136 pingjockey

Unreal.
The world is going insane.

This song by Public Image Ltd. came in my head when I was reading the comments - turns out it's available on a history of neo-nazism video...
LOL

White Nationalism,
Black Nationalism,
International Socialism,
National Socialism...

lets call the whole thing off~

174 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:29:35am

re: #149 LindaMarie


Very interesting link. Also, by Sharia Law, anyone born to a Muslim father is legally Muslim. No choice in the matter.

So the possibilities are either Obama is an apostate Muslim or a Taqayya (covered) Muslim.

175 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:30:40am

re: #163 flynmudd
SM-2 and SM-3. Patriot is a land based anti-missle system. Retired navy here. They actually said what ships were going? Normally they don't. Unless it is an aircraft carrier. SM is navy designation, it is a surface to air missle. Now with the new and improved SM-3 it can be used as a anti-satellite weapon.

176 christheprofessor  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:31:06am

re: #154 irongrampa

I keep saying that understanding moonbats (the first step in effectively combatting them) is to realize that they-the "reality based community" operate from a fiction based reality. Once this is clear, then they become as little children having tantrums, and as easy to control.

That's so true. Coincidentally (not ironically, Ms. Morrissette), I said this morning on another forum that "()much like love means never having to say you're sorry, liberalism means never having to face reality."

177 Bob in Breckenridge  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:31:16am

re: #170 christheprofessor

Nice plug for Denny's website, Chris! I'm sure he'll appreciate it!

178 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:31:19am

I'm watching Groundhog Day right now. Imagine the next four years, every morning waking up, and after turning on the news saying, "He said What?"

179 LindaMarie  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:31:29am

re: #172 flynmudd

re: #169 LindaMarie

Take them over your knee and spank the spoiled out of them.


Now that would grab the news headlines - spank Barack (hush - hussein) Obama!

180 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:31:57am

re: #174 Kenneth

re: #149 LindaMarie


Very interesting link. Also, by Sharia Law, anyone born to a Muslim father is legally Muslim. No choice in the matter.

So the possibilities are either Obama is an apostate Muslim or a Taqayya (covered) Muslim.


Obama, middle name withheld, obama = sleeper

181 BabbaZee  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:32:03am

re: #156 threecoloursblue

re: #140 BabbaZee

Where was he wrong? Undetermined length? Cost? AlQ. on the rise?

If you read that whole speech
and you do not already know what was wrong with it I sincerely doubt I possess the power to enlighten you and I know I lack the desire.

182 TheCorruptedLamb  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:32:39am

re: #174 Kenneth

Interestingly enough, Islam is patriarchal and Judaism is Matriarchal. Damn chauvinist!

183 christheprofessor  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:32:49am

re: #177 Bob in Breckenridge

re: #170 christheprofessor

Nice plug for Denny's website, Chris! I'm sure he'll appreciate it!

I've been posting his stuff here for a long time now!

184 Ben Hur  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:32:54am

re: #173 BabbaZee


I've seen PIL in concert.

185 flynmudd  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:32:59am

re: #175 pingjockey

The USS Cole is either on it's way or already there. The destroyers are usually supplied with 45 Patriot missiles. At least my son's ship has that many plus much much more. I've only told you what is available in public information sites.

186 BabbaZee  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:33:17am

re: #157 Kenneth

re: #114 BabbaZee


"I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him." -Barak Obama, 2002

Sooo... Obama said Saddam had WMD? That nice to know. And Saddam was a bad guy, but just that he was not willing to do anything about it.


exactly

187 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:33:21am

Confuse a liberal today!

Bumper Sticker: "Barrack Hussein Obama '08"

188 BabbaZee  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:33:24am

re: #184 Ben Hur

You da man

189 Ben Hur  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:33:54am

re: #188 BabbaZee

re: #184 Ben Hur

You da man

Why, yes.

Yes I am.

190 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:34:00am

re: #5 GregInSeattle

I wonder if McCain will have the stones to call this idiot on the blantant lies he's telling? Mabye that'd be too impolite?

As long as he doesn't use his middle name.

191 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:34:00am

re: #132 Stringart

Very good point. People in Ontario were worried NAFTA would destroy manufacturing jobs here. But since NAFTA, our manufacturing exports to the US have actually gone up. 90% of Ontario exports go to the US. Cut that off & we die.

192 sparrowlake  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:34:11am

re: #148 MandyManners

re: #126 sparrowlake


re: #121 MandyManners

re: #114 BabbaZee

WARNING!
This link goes to one of the moonbattiest sites on the whole web

It goes beyond moonbattiness and into pure fabrication.

Don't toy with me, I'm getting fidgety and agitated.

Not nearing projectile vomit, are you?

I asked you but you wouldn't listen. Sudden onset of tingling.

193 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:34:49am

Has the "Cole" had any chances to blow some of their stuff up since it was put back into the water?

194 CIA Reject  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:34:57am

re: #167 Ben Hur

"If only the MSM got on his case one month earlier"

/Repeated over and over and over by Hillary in a padded room, Nov 08.

Oh, Jeez- now I've got the image of Inspector Dreyfus in the straight jacket from the end of that Pink Panther movie stuck in my head

Inspector Dreyfus in a pantsuit!

LOL!

195 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:35:04am

"Well, all politicians lie."

/some peeps i know

196 TheCorruptedLamb  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:35:59am

re: #195 Ward Cleaver

"Well, all politicians lie."

/some peeps i know

Paraphrased... "Hello", he lied.

197 LindaMarie  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:36:10am
Al-taqiyya and dissimulation are words used for a practice of Muslims blatantly lying to non-Muslims. All but some of the most fundamental Muslims consider the act of Al-taqiyya or lying to non-Muslims to be a good work. This is very important when one remembers that, in Islam, salvation is determined by good works. This means that a Muslim lying to a non-Muslim is that Muslim doing a good work to earn salvation. It is almost equivalent to a Christian accepting Jesus as his savior. One of the big differences is that a Christian only needs to accept Jesus as his savior once to become saved forever but a Muslim must do his good works consistently and repeatedly to earn his salvation with the except of the greatest work of dying while fighting non-Muslims.

I jsut had to look that one up -- wake up America and the rest of the (not yet forced into Islam) world!

198 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:36:51am

re: #192 sparrowlake

Sudden onset of tingling.

Chris Matthews, is that you?

199 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:37:10am

re: #63 Thanos

While this might seem to be a big deal, I don't think it is with the Democrat base. Remember, they *expect* their candidates to lie.

Win at any cost at whatever price..
honor, country, integrity - no matter!

200 gymnast  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:38:05am

re: #174 Kenneth

re: #149 LindaMarie


Very interesting link. Also, by Sharia Law, anyone born to a Muslim father is legally Muslim. No choice in the matter.

So the possibilities are either Obama is an apostate Muslim or a Taqayya (covered) Muslim.

Once in the only way out is toes up. Perhaps the MSM is adhering to the rule of "omerta", or at the very least intentionally omitting a fact about Islam that is available to anyone with a fact checking capability.

201 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:38:47am

re: #185 flynmudd

Not Patriot missiles, Tomahawks. Here's the USS Cole website.

The ship’s motto: “From Valor, Glory”.

202 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:39:13am

Let's call this...February Surprise?

203 BabbaZee  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:40:02am

re: #197 LindaMarie

Taqiyya is the holy Islamic sacrament of LYING

Example for our purposes:
One will come here and swear they are not Muslim
but go on a da'wa all the same...

that kind of shit.

See also kitman


Taqiyya and kitman - lying for the sake of Islam

204 Dianna  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:40:36am

re: #139 Torrey Trooper

I'm sorry, but that's just...beyond ridiculous and edging in directions I don't want to go.

He didn't change his middle name because that's the name he was given by his parents. This is America. Most of us don't even think about that sort of thing. Catholics tack a baptismal name on - as in "Mary Margaret Elizabeth" or "John Eric Peter", but that's not changing one's name.

205 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:41:25am

re: #130 alegrias

Many Olympic Teams have reserved space in Japan before the Olympic Games in order to acclimate to the time differences, train for the last few days, then proceed at the last minute to China. All because of the Chinese pollution problem.

206 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:42:04am

re: #185 flynmudd
I was on the USS Chancellorsville CG 62 from 1995 until I retired in 1997. The Patriot is the missles we used to shoot down Scuds during Gulf War I. God help me I can't remember the name of the SM-2 or SM-3. Harpoons are anti ship. Tomahawks are land attack cruise missles. The SM-2, SM-3s' are kept in cells fore and aft and are launched vertically. Very accuarate system.

207 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:42:35am

re: #185 flynmudd

And G-d bless your son! Thank him for his service, & thank you for raising a fine young man.

208 AuntAcid  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:42:42am

From Rush about SNL skit - "Fauxbama"

209 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:42:54am

I don't care what his middle name is...I care about the middle finger he's trying to give America.

210 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:43:01am

re: #193 chubby vegan

Has the "Cole" had any chances to blow some of their stuff up since it was put back into the water?

Somewhere I've got a PowerPoint slideshow of the Cole being towed on the mobile "platform" they built for it after the attack (pictures taken from a helo) that someone sent me.

211 winston06  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:43:05am

re: #203 BabbaZee

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I mentioned this first... The guy is not just an empty suit but probably a plant!

212 winston06  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:43:57am

re: #210 Ward Cleaver

That platform and platforms like that one existed well before that horrific attack on USS Cole.

213 threecoloursblue  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:44:22am

re: #181 BabbaZee

I hate to have to tell you that that speech is almost word for word the Kissinger take on things. Obama's adviser, Samantha Power, pushes the Kissinger divide and rule philosophy. So whatever it is, it's not lefty.

214 Dianna  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:44:49am

re: #153 CyanSnowHawk

Janus is the lord of the portal. His function is to see both ways.

This does not make him treacherous, but it does make him perilous.

215 LindaMarie  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:45:06am

re: #209 chubby vegan

I don't care what his middle name is...I care about the middle finger he's trying to give America.

I would "+" you up several times for that but Charles only allows one.

216 sparrowlake  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:45:15am

re: #198 MandyManners

Boing.

217 Drider  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:45:35am

Well we get just a smidgen of Obama's "talking" to make things all nicey nice.

This shows a tiny snapshot of a non fatal/catastrophic picture of "talking" to adversaries to resolve issues and what did it do...blew up in his face of course.

Now this was just a little political underhanded pow wow with people he thought...loved him, can you imagine him talking to Tehran and Damascus...the consequences of such idiocy would be far more reaching and destructive than him getting some egg in his face.

This guy is not stupid but obviously green as hell with about as much logic and common sense of the workings of American society and the way others view us as a man from Mars.

218 Sunlight  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:46:07am

So I'm looking at the Cleveland Plain Dealer. It has a lead story with Caroline K. S. campaigning for Obama. But I don't see a thing about this NAFTA story. My question is - at some point, will the Repubs file a law suit that might even go to the Supreme Court wherein the MSM's water carrying for the Dems will count as campaign contributions? If this NAFTA double dealing allegation has been out there since "Thursday", wouldn't you expect an Ohio newspaper to have it? And if it just omits it, wouldn't that constitute a financial campaign contribution to the Dem candidates?

219 BabbaZee  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:46:52am

re: #211 winston06

His Gramscian whore Momma is more a worry to me that his Islamic Pappa, frankly.

He is the perfect commilsamist.

220 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:47:07am

re: #193 chubby vegan

re: #210 Ward Cleaver

Unfortunately, most ships don't get to zap anyone unless we shoot TLAMs', Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles. If Syria is dumb enough to put up their air force the Aegis system will fix them right up.

221 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:48:15am

re: #154 irongrampa

I keep saying that understanding moonbats (the first step in effectively combatting them) is to realize that they-the "reality based community" operate from a fiction based reality. Once this is clear, then they become as little children having tantrums, and as easy to control.

Not these past years though. Their tantrums have gone unanswered. The man behind the big desk has failed to send them to the corner.

222 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:48:43am

re: #216 sparrowlake

re: #198 MandyManners

Boing.

I couldn't resist.

223 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:49:52am

re: #220 pingjockey


Is this a coincidence the US Navy is watching Syria as Israel get ready to attack Hamasastan? Making sure Chinless doesn't do anything stupid...

224 LindaMarie  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:49:58am
This raises a number or questions. Are the Muslim peace protestors in the US actually using Al-taqiyya or dissimulation to earn their salvation by lying and trying to interfere with the US and Israel's efforts to defend themselves? Is the Muslim sympathy for the US concerning 9/11 Al-taqiyya earning the salvation of the Muslims by feigning sympathy for the US? Are the Muslim leaders and official speakers using Al-taqiyya to earn salvation by lying to the US media

http://www.hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran5.html

225 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:50:11am

Could that tingling in the leg be a snake crawling up it? Whoo Hoo...new thread.

226 BabbaZee  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:50:16am

re: #213 threecoloursblue

I can't stand Kissinger, I can't stand partisan politics, that site is loony left heaven, and the entire speech was peppered with his typical little Gramscian whorisms.

227 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:55:15am

re: #1 Tumulus11

As the great philosopher Barry Gibb once said...

"It's only words, and words are all I have, to take your heart away."

228 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:56:32am

i know they all say anything to get elected but there's something abt. osama's lying that is so disgusting. the way he just tries to re-name lying as campaign tactics, like he hasn't done anything wrong. character counts, at least to a lot of people who will see thru this kind of bs.
hussein will not be potus.

229 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:57:23am

Perhaps the Clinton machine is working after all.

230 Sunlight  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 10:07:36am

I'm re-reading Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand. All about the looters...

231 shiek al beif salami  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 10:10:42am

Please don't blaspheme The One Whose Name is too Sacred to Say. He healed our blindness and He forgave our sins. He is the Perfect One who can lead the human society towards blessed life in this world and salvation in the other world.

There is One,
Obama Top Raman,
Unto whom we give our worship
and who keeps us in the perfect and innocent bliss
of idiots.
Everyday is a holiday for blessed idiots.
Ommm
Mommy
Obama
Top Raman
The One

/ sound of shovel against barn floor as man shovels shit out on November 3

232 MadJadBad  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 10:13:58am

Ha. Even canadian network reporters say "about" funny.

233 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 10:16:17am

Political taqiyya. Its OK to fib if it helps you win an election. Hmm. Where did Obama learn that tactic?

234 jemima  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 10:17:27am

Austan Goolsbee. Hmmm.
Does anyone trust anything from the 'stans?

235 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 10:18:06am

re: #232 MadJadBad

Ha. Even canadian network reporters say "about" funny.

aboat?

236 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 10:18:25am

re: #116 neverquit

Isn't it ok for Muslims to lie to us infidel kaffirs?

Yes. Encouraged, even.

237 RoyalCanadian  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 10:19:58am

Are you ready for change?

He will change what he said about NAFTA

He will change what he said about being a muslim

He will change what he said about being a friend of Israel

He will change what he said about not being a friend of Farrakhan

He will change what he said about protecting the United States

He will change what he said about accepting money from special interest groups

He will change what he said about not being a political insider

He will change what he said about change

238 LindaMarie  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 10:20:04am

re: #236 rawmuse

re: #116 neverquit


Isn't it ok for Muslims to lie to us infidel kaffirs?

Yes. Encouraged, even.

It is a way to Paradise

239 LindaMarie  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 10:27:01am

This is Islam - submission.

It should be clear here that what Muhammad is stating is that, if Muhammad or any superior Muslim leader tells another Muslim to do something and they don't do it, that Muslim will burn in Hell. Another example of this absolute power over other Muslims is in Verse 33:36 - "It is not for the true believers - men or women - to order their own affairs if Allah and His apostle decree otherwise. He that disobeys Allah and His apostle strays grievously into error."
240 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 10:44:48am

re: #239 LindaMarie

Let's not become Truther's here. C'mon. Stop it.

241 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 11:13:48am

Democrat candidates must lie to their sheeple voters. how pathetic.

The sheeple are expecting the following:
The end of "globalization" (never mind that globalization is an old concept -nothing new under the sun)
free heath care
end free trade /nafta
tax the rich tax the production punish business and evil corporations
(never mind the inevitable negative trickle down)
blah blah blah...

242 chubby vegan  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 11:14:08am

And by that I meant everyone who thinks he's an islmamole. Let's just smack his ass around for being an America Hating Liberal.

243 Dwayne  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 11:29:19am

re: #229 chubby vegan

Perhaps the Clinton machine is working after all.

That was my thought exactly. Well, maybe it isn't what you mean, but I do believe this story about Obama has Clinton's fingerprints all over it.

Now that's not to say I don't think Obama was being a hypocrite. He is a hypocrite, but seemingly all Leftists are hypocrites. What I am saying is that the Clinton's got Canadian Television to leak this story to knock Obama down a notch or two.

I've deduced this on the fact that both Clinton and Obama have made the same type of arguments against NAFTA. As a team, the Clinton's being who they are, probably wouldn't have made such statements without similarly reassuring the Canadians, thus I believe that someone in CTV, for some motivation I won't speculate, decided to reveal this in order to help Hillary.

244 EE  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 11:57:28am

The Prophet of Change is still changing his positions by the hour, spinning like a whirling dervish. He also speaks with two tongues. He tells Canada that he is not against NAFTA, while he tells Ohio that he is against NAFTA. Which is it, Mr. Prophet? And why the forked tongue?

245 EE  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 12:02:53pm

re: #237 RoyalCanadian

Are you ready for change?

He will change what he said about NAFTA

He will change what he said about being a muslim

He will change what he said about being a friend of Israel

He will change what he said about not being a friend of Farrakhan

He will change what he said about protecting the United States

He will change what he said about accepting money from special interest groups

He will change what he said about not being a political insider

He will change what he said about change

Good for you! You have taken the measure of the Prophet of Change.

246 stemir  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 12:43:29pm

How does the Ambassador know to whom B Hussein is lying?

247 EE  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 1:52:39pm

Obama sent a messenger to tell the Canadian government what his campaign statements were going to be and that it is just a lot of malarkey for the stupid voters of Ohio.

But maybe Obama has learned a thing or two about plausible deniability from his Middle East expert Robert Malley, who was an Arafat fan, and still defends his idol. Arafat was a master of plausible deniabilty.

By sending someone else to speak for him, Obama can always cut down his messenger by saying that that message was not authorized.

But then what is the Canadian government supposed to believe?

Obama is as slick as a con artist speaking re-assuringly, and just as two-timing.

248 pegcity  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 3:59:46pm

Go ahead and try it Hussein, remember who has the godamn oil.

And it ain't you.

249 pegcity  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 4:05:47pm

re: #247 EE

Obama sent a messenger to tell the Canadian government what his campaign statements were going to be and that it is just a lot of malarkey for the stupid voters of Ohio.

But maybe Obama has learned a thing or two about plausible deniability from his Middle East expert Robert Malley, who was an Arafat fan, and still defends his idol. Arafat was a master of plausible deniabilty.

By sending someone else to speak for him, Obama can always cut down his messenger by saying that that message was not authorized.

But then what is the Canadian government supposed to believe?

Obama is as slick as a con artist speaking re-assuringly, and just as two-timing.


Just remember the Librano party is no longer in power, im betting the conservatives are looking forward to dealing with Obama as much as Nixon did with that commie bastard Trudeau

250 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 5:39:40pm

So, he is lying to two countries.
Will someone please tell Obama to stick it in his ear? As far as it will go? Someone? Anyone?

251 Maui Girl  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 7:05:15pm

My question is why is the Canadian government even concerned about this? Are they absolutely sure BHO is going to win? Do they know something the rest of us don't?

252 Kent64  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 7:26:21pm

The environment and labor provisions that Democrats talk about demanding in these treaties would never be accepted by the Democrats in the reverse. If other countries said we had to accept their labor laws or their environmental standards, it would never be accepted by the Democrats; yet they seem to think that we can just demand other countries accept ours? Of course they know better than that. These are poison pills that they know will prevent any trade agreement. It is back door protectionism with a fig leaf of "fair trade" rhetoric.

Protectionism is a bad idea pushed by labor unions that do not want to have to compete and the Democrats carry their water for them.

253 Mr. Beamish  Fri, Feb 29, 2008 10:36:06pm

Whoa.

If this gets out, there's no way the white men who will decide the fate of a brokered DNC convention - Howard Dean (who wants the Confederate flag-waver vote), Harold Ickes (DNC primary rules comittee member and political strategist for the Hillary Clinton campaign), former President Bill Clinton (I'm not sure if he has any connection to Hillary Clinton's campaign, smirk), and former Vice President Al Gore (boisterous champion of NAFTA against Ross Perot) is going to let a black man get the nomination.

Start applying for welfare, B. It doesn't matter if you got every vote in every primary. Your skin is too dark to lead the DemoKKKratic Party.

254 BabbaZee  Sat, Mar 1, 2008 3:57:42am
255 cannon2  Sat, Mar 1, 2008 6:54:14am

Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007" that was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Bush last December bars the federal government from purchasing fuels whose life-cycle greenhouse gas emissions are greater than those from fuels produced from conventional petroleum sources.
section 526 of the energy bill prohibits the federal government from buying oil that was produced from Canadian tar sands,
Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., and Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va., already are pressing the Department of Defense to comply with the provision. In a recent letter to the secretary of defense

too late barrak...we have already passed the law, and will have to replace canadian tarsand oil with middel east opec crude...
and we believe we are going to be more oil independent...oops...i mean reduce our carbon footprint, afterall that is more important isn't it?

256 cannon2  Sat, Mar 1, 2008 6:56:14am

forgot links
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

257 INFIDEL_ONE  Sat, Mar 1, 2008 10:49:15am

re: #54 troonbop

Kinda funny, cause most of my fellow canucks are just itching to vote for a democrat, any democrat at all. I was hoping this peice of news about nafta might penetrate the fog; nope.

Maybe in your part of the country...but none of the people I know would want to see a Democrat win.
Almost as bad as having an NDP government here.


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