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Obama Adviser Samantha Power Wanted to Invade Israel

Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:44:34 pm PST

After Barack Obama invades Pakistan, one of his close advisers, Samantha Power, may have another target in mind: Israel.

Power made her most problematic statement in 2002, in an interview she gave at Berkeley. The interviewer asked her this question:

Let me give you a thought experiment here, and it is the following: without addressing the Palestine-Israel problem, let’s say you were an advisor to the President of the United States, how would you respond to current events there? Would you advise him to put a structure in place to monitor that situation, at least if one party or another [starts] looking like they might be moving toward genocide?

Power gave an astonishing answer:

What we don’t need is some kind of early warning mechanism there, what we need is a willingness to put something on the line in helping the situation. Putting something on the line might mean alienating a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import; it may more crucially mean sacrificing—or investing, I think, more than sacrificing—billions of dollars, not in servicing Israel’s military, but actually investing in the new state of Palestine, in investing the billions of dollars it would probably take, also, to support what will have to be a mammoth protection force, not of the old Rwanda kind, but a meaningful military presence. Because it seems to me at this stage (and this is true of actual genocides as well, and not just major human rights abuses, which were seen there), you have to go in as if you’re serious, you have to put something on the line.
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1 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:46:12pm
2 OregonMuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:47:14pm

Jeepers, the Democrats sure are a bunch of reckless cowboys, aren't they?

I mean, what about the U.N.?

3 Shug  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:47:18pm

Samantha is just a volunteer

/

4 Shug  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:47:53pm

Is Robert Wexler on speed dial yet ?

5 stevieray  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:47:58pm

While were invading various random places around the world, can we invade and claim Tahiti? I wanna go, but I have no passport.

6 RememberSekhmet?  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:48:12pm

Oh, geez.

7 mythicknight  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:48:49pm

Oh boi

8 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:48:59pm
9 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:50:11pm
10 jcm  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:51:00pm

We can't invade till we pull our troops out of the occupation of New Orleans.
/

11 pat  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:51:19pm

She also wanted to pour Billions of bucks into the creation of a Palestinian
State with a major and permanent US military presence. She is a full on Moonbat.

12 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:51:36pm

Introducing President John Hussein McCain.

13 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:51:39pm

re: #9 song_and_dance_man

Oddly, just as I was reading your comment, an Obama robocall came in.

14 Shug  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:52:05pm

Has Obama received the official John Demjanjuk endorsement yet ?

15 Merovign  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:52:10pm

What the astonishingly rude word beginning with the sixth letter of the alphabet is wrong with these people?

Is Obama a verifiable loony-magnet? Is Barack Obama the new Ron Paul?

16 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:52:10pm
17 phillygirl  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:52:37pm

Quite a scary picture. Learn more about our "friends, the Palestinians" here. [Link: online.wsj.com...]

18 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:52:55pm
Humanity
Auf wiedersehen
It's time to say goodbye
The party's over
As the laughter dies
An angel cries

Humanity
It's au revoir to your insanity
You sold your soul to feed your vanity
Your fantasies and lies

You're a drop in the rain
Just a number not a name
And you don't see it
You don't believe it
At the end of the day
You're a needle in the hay
You signed and sealed it
And now you gotta deal with it
Humanity
Goodbye

Be on your way
Adios amigo there's a price to pay
For all the egotistic games you played
The world you made
Is gone

Run and hide there's fire in the sky
Stay inside
The water's gonna rise and pull you under
In your eyes I'm staring at the end of time
Nothing can change us
No one can save us from ourselves

You're a drop in the rain
Just a number not a name
And you don't see it
You don't believe it
At the end of the day
You're a needle in the hay
You signed and sealed it
Now you gotta deal with it
Humanity
Goodbye

This is WLGF

19 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:52:57pm

re: #3 Shug

Samantha is just a volunteer...

/

...as far as I know

20 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:53:00pm
"Even I don't understand it," she says. And also: "This makes no sense to me."

Is she kin to Sheehan?

21 ec marm  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:54:44pm

[self-deleted]

22 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:55:25pm

The Canadians just called to say it was all a misunderstanding.

23 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:55:55pm

We should do something about the groups calling for (and working) on genocide. First, we should stop all money sent to Ham-ass and Fatah until they recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state, and stop all their incitement, including the Ham-ass kids shows and the textbooks. Also, all stadiums, parks, whatever, named after those who performed terror attacks against Israeli civilians must be renamed.

Under Obama, this country will be an obamination. (Join the Obama nation!)

24 gop_patriot  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:56:49pm

re: #20 MandyManners

I love what Kramer says in response to that:

It must be awful, at such a young age, to lose track of why you recommended the massive deployment of military force, and not that long ago.

heh.

25 rappmandu  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:57:12pm
26 macintush  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:57:37pm

Wot.A.Maroon!

27 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:57:46pm

Just words.

Wink wink.

28 greenmamba  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:58:14pm

I know! Let's make him PRESIDENT!

29 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:58:14pm

The Pantsuit has spent a couple hundred million dollars, and all she had to do was surf the web a bit to expose this guy.

The bloom is off the Messiah. Not that the true believers will be dissuaded, mind you, but he'll be such damaged goods by the fall McCain will eat him alive.

30 rappmandu  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:58:17pm

There were no Jooos in Israel before Obama invaded.

/

31 jcm  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:58:18pm

Where is that video clip with Obama promising to throw away are means to defend ourselves?

32 IBEW-CON  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:58:19pm

Does Sammy Power have CHE Cuban flag too?

33 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:58:34pm

It's only words
And words are all I have
To take your heart away

/channeling BeeGees

34 LoneStarLizard  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:58:35pm

This is a perfectly good example of why and went to the polls, suppressed my gag reflex and voted for Shrillary. Not only do I think McCain has a better chance of beating her, but she is much less scary even than Obama.

I urge all lizards in TX and OH to go and vote Shrillary tomorrow. Suppress gag reflex and just do it.

35 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:58:43pm

re: #24 gop_patriot

re: #20 MandyManners

I love what Kramer says in response to that:


It must be awful, at such a young age, to lose track of why you recommended the massive deployment of military force, and not that long ago.

heh.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

36 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:58:45pm
You take a mortal man,
And put him in control
Watch him become a god,
Watch peoples heads roll
roll...

Just like the pied piper
Led rats through the streets
We dance like marionettes,
Swaying to the symphony...
Of destruction

Acting like a robot,
Its metal brain corrodes.
You try to take its pulse,
Before the head explodes.
Explodes...

The earth starts to rumble
World powers fall
Warring for the heavens,
A peaceful man stands tall
Tall...

37 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:59:11pm

Gee, why doesn't this surprise me?

Obama Served On Board That Funded Pro-Palestinian Group

Democratic presidential frontrunner Sen. Barack Obama served as a paid director on the board of a nonprofit organization that granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a "catastrophe." (Obama has also reportedly spoken at fundraisers for Palestinians living in what the United Nations terms refugee camps.)

The co-founder of the Arab group, Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, is a harsh critic of Israel who reportedly worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization when it was labeled a terror group by the State Department.

Khalidi held a fundraiser in 2000 for Obama’s failed bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives.

In 2001, the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit that describes itself as a group helping the disadvantaged, provided a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, at which Khalidi’s wife, Mona, serves as president. The Fund provided a second grant to AAAN for $35,000 in 2002.

Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund’s website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000.

The $40,000 grant from the Woods Fund to AAAN constituted about a fifth of the group’s reported grants for 2001, also according to tax filings. The $35,000 Woods Fund grant in 2002 made up about one-fifth of AAAN’s reported grants for that year as well.

After all, Lord Obama hates America.

/yet the LSM allows him to skate

38 RedWhiteAndJew  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:59:20pm

I voted for betraying the only democracy and best ally in the region, before I voted against it.

39 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:59:30pm

Does she make Chris Matthews' leg tingle?

40 Alas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:59:39pm

Excellent. Another liability in the Obama camp that has still to be exploited. We can't have Rudy, but at least we can get a Repub who will not completely capitulate before the forces of evil. Anything but a Dem in 2008!

41 Opilio  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:59:41pm

re: #29 JammieWearingFool

The Pantsuit has spent a couple hundred million dollars, and all she had to do was surf the web a bit to expose this guy.

The bloom is off the Messiah. Not that the true believers will be dissuaded, mind you, but he'll be such damaged goods by the fall McCain will eat him alive.

promise?

42 Shug  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 5:59:57pm

re: #39 MandyManners

Does she make Chris Matthews' leg tingle?


yes, she gave him herpes

43 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:00:13pm

No blood for kreplach!

/

44 descolada9  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:00:17pm

Wow, what unilateral, cowboyistic attitudes to international policy. And invading Israel will result in a major revolution here in the States. Maybe Obama in office would be a good thing after all.

45 VegasRick  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:00:29pm

re: #35 MandyManners

re: #24 gop_patriot


re: #20 MandyManners

I love what Kramer says in response to that:


It must be awful, at such a young age, to lose track of why you recommended the massive deployment of military force, and not that long ago.

heh.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

A wasted mind is a terrible thing. fixed.

46 SlartyBartfast  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:00:31pm

"Professing to be wise, they became fools,..."

Romans 1:22

47 Geepers  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:00:58pm
This quote has dogged Power, and she has gone to extraordinary extraordinary lengths to put it behind her. Most notably, she called in the Washington correspondent of the Israeli daily Haaretz, Shmuel Rosner, to whom she disavowed the quote:
Power herself recognizes that the statement is problematic. "Even I don't understand it," she says. And also: "This makes no sense to me." And furthermore: "The quote seems so weird." She thinks that she made this statement in the context of discussing the deployment of international peacekeepers. But this was a very long time ago, circumstances were different, and it's hard for her to reconstruct exactly what she meant.

I'm not sure which is worse, the lack of conviction and her absurd backpedaling or that she really doesn't have a clue when she runs her mouth.

48 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:01:05pm

re: #42 Shug

Ouch.

49 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:01:16pm

I miss Rudy.

50 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:01:21pm

Here's a good comment from Noah Pollack:
"The real problem with Obama has little to do with Israel–it is the problem that, at every step of the way, his stated foreign policy strategy is to do something that has worked out very well for him domestically: to talk, to use his charisma and elan to win people’s enthusiasm and loyalty. And so Obama’s foreign policy rhetoric is always consumed by promises of “rallying” and “forging” and “pressuring” and building “partnerships and coalitions.” What is missing from all of this is some indication from Obama–or really from any of the liberal internationalists who see their worldview articulated by him–of how he proposes to create red lines that the international community would realistically be able to enforce. This has always been the fatal flaw of the internationalists, and there actually would be some audacity to Obama’s views if he offered something new in this regard."

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

51 Izzy Dunne  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:01:28pm

Let's give him a STATE!
I'm sure this will be all over ABCNNBCBS news, real soon now.
Right?
Anyone?

Bueller?

52 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:01:53pm

From Power's confident & mentor, Michael Ignatieff,

More relevant now are Ignatieff's policy conclusions. "Neither side is capable of making peace," he determined, "or even sitting in the same room to discuss it." The United States should therefore move "to impose a two-state solution now."

The time for endless negotiation between the parties is past: it is time to say that all but those settlements right on the 1967 green line must go; that the right of return is incompatible with peace and security in the region and the right must be extinguished with a cash settlement; that the UN, with funding from Europe, will establish a transitional administration to help the Palestinian state back on its feet and then prepare the ground for new elections before exiting; and, most of all, the US must then commit its own troops, and those of willing allies, not to police a ceasefire, but to enforce the solution that provides security for both populations.

Just how crazy are these people? The Palis hate America and have a multitude of factional terrorist organizations. Sending US troops to force a "two state solution" on them would make Iraq look like a picnic. Not only that, the US is supposed to force Israel to go along with it. And if the Syrians or Hezbollah or Egypt get drawn into the fighting, who is supposed to deal with them? Will the US expect Israel to stand down while US troops defend Israel from the Arab armies? Seriously?

And these are the people Obama turns to for advice?

53 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:02:01pm

re: #45 VegasRick

re: #35 MandyManners


re: #24 gop_patriot

re: #20 MandyManners
I love what Kramer says in response to that:


It must be awful, at such a young age, to lose track of why you recommended the massive deployment of military force, and not that long ago.

heh.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

A wasted mind is a terrible thing. fixed.

I wonder how many drugs she ingested in college.

54 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:02:12pm
55 LoFlyer  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:02:27pm

Insanity, supporting a entity whose sole aim it to destroy a secular western democracy and establish another radical Islamic regime to supplement Iran. If this the best Obama's advisor's can come up with for ME foreign policy, then we need to organize and defeat these geniuses before they really screw up America....

56 VegasRick  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:02:30pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

I miss Rudy.

God still loves you.

57 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:02:37pm

re: #30 rappmandu

Brilliant!

58 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:03:00pm

Good night, dear Lizards. Keep watch.

59 VegasRick  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:03:22pm

re: #53 MandyManners

re: #45 VegasRick


re: #35 MandyManners

re: #24 gop_patriot

re: #20 MandyManners
I love what Kramer says in response to that:


It must be awful, at such a young age, to lose track of why you recommended the massive deployment of military force, and not that long ago.

heh.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

A wasted mind is a terrible thing. fixed.

I wonder how many drugs she ingested in college.

Do you think she stopped?

60 snowcrash  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:04:05pm

re: #34 LoneStarLizard
Will you go back and caucus for her? I will vote but that's it.

61 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:04:09pm

re: #56 VegasRick

Not enough to get Rudy back in the race.

62 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:04:28pm
63 Da_Beerfreak  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:04:49pm
re: #39 MandyManners

Does she make Chris Matthews' leg tingle?

That was a trickle, not a tingle and it was most certainly NOT running UP his leg.

64 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:05:31pm

re: #63 Da_Beerfreak

[BLINK]

65 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:05:37pm
66 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:05:42pm

re: #54 song_and_dance_man

re: #20 MandyManners


"Even I don't understand it," she says. And also: "This makes no sense to me."

Is she kin to Sheehan?

She now has more responsibility and so does the flip flop as many pols do. She can't distance herself from what she said at Berkeley, try as she might. Although the MSM will give her a pass even as they do now since this hasn't been reported by them, they will continue to ignore it since she is one of their own.

We all know the double standard. Had this been an adviser to McCain or any (R) or conservative we would have had our fill of it as the MSM scoured hell to eternity to pad the story.

Be careful or Cognito will materialize to set you straight!

67 VegasRick  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:06:01pm

re: #62 savage_nation

re: #56 VegasRick


re: #49 Killgore Trout

I miss Rudy.

God still loves you.

God loves VegasRick!

I believe he does. I am blessed. You too.

68 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:06:04pm

Why oh why am I not surprised?

In The Economist...
Obamanomics - Hope and fear - Democratic economic policy sounds worryingly populist

FOR a man who has placed “hope” at the centre of his campaign, Barack Obama can sound pretty darned depressing. As the battle for the Democratic nomination reaches a climax in Texas and Ohio, the front-runner's speeches have begun to paint a world in which laid-off parents compete with their children for minimum-wage jobs while corporate fat-cats mis-sell dodgy mortgages and ship jobs off to Mexico. The man who claims to be a “post-partisan” centrist seems to be channelling the spirit of William Jennings Bryan, the original American populist, who thunderously demanded to know “Upon which side shall the Democratic Party fight—upon the side of ‘the idle holders of idle capital’ or upon the side of ‘the struggling masses’?”

There is no denying that for some middle-class Americans, the past few years have indeed been a struggle. What is missing from Mr Obama's speeches is any hint that this is not the whole story: that globalisation brings down prices and increases consumer choice; that unemployment is low by historical standards; that American companies are still the world's most dynamic and creative; and that Americans still, on the whole, live lives of astonishing affluence. ...

69 pat  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:06:08pm

Godess, nite

70 LoneStarLizard  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:06:15pm

re: #60 snowcrash

re: #34 LoneStarLizard
Will you go back and caucus for her? I will vote but that's it.

I wanted to go caucus for her but I have a class from 7-9:30, so I can't go. Wish I could... I considered skipping but my understanding of the material in this class is pretty sketchy so I can't afford to miss it :-(

However, I urge all lizards who can caucus to go and do so. It will be at your local precinct, the same place that you vote on Election Day. It is at 7:15.

71 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:06:36pm

If I could figure out a way to sell "stupid", I would mine that [deleted]'s brain and retire a billionaire.

72 ec marm  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:06:56pm

Unfortunately, the people that would put a rookie in the highest office in this country have no recollection of stocking a bomb/fallout shelter with food and water, or listening to air-raid drills in 1962. Or the naive foreign policy decisions that took us to the brink of a nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union.

73 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:07:08pm

re: #59 VegasRick

I wonder how many drugs she ingested in college.


Do you think she stopped?

I might go back to them before the election.

74 elevenbravo1969  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:07:09pm

#42 JCM
Here is the link to BHO's thoughts on our defense...

75 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:07:10pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

I miss Rudy.

*sigh*

Me, too.
I tried.

76 Geepers  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:07:20pm

Hey J.D.

77 macintush  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:07:32pm

re: #71 Slumbering Behemoth

If I could figure out a way to sell "stupid", I would mine that [deleted]'s brain and retire a billionaire.

Obama's a Bilionaire?!?

78 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:07:43pm

re: #63 Da_Beerfreak

re: #39 MandyManners
Does she make Chris Matthews' leg tingle?

That was a trickle, not a tingle and it was most certainly NOT running UP his leg.

Ick. Just, ick.

79 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:07:53pm
I will slow our development of future combat systems.

/vote Lord Obama!

80 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:08:10pm
81 elevenbravo1969  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:08:14pm

sorry...that's #32 JCM

82 LoneStarLizard  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:08:16pm

re: #70 LoneStarLizard

re: #60 snowcrash

re: #34 LoneStarLizard
Will you go back and caucus for her? I will vote but that's it.

I wanted to go caucus for her but I have a class from 7-9:30, so I can't go. Wish I could... I considered skipping but my understanding of the material in this class is pretty sketchy so I can't afford to miss it :-(

However, I urge all lizards who can caucus to go and do so. It will be at your local precinct, the same place that you vote on Election Day. It is at 7:15.

Actually, somebody fact check that please.. mine is at my precinct but I don't know if it is true all over.

83 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:08:18pm
84 laZardo  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:08:42pm

re: #47 Geepers

Where was that runaround quote from that Miss USA debacle some time back?

85 VegasRick  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:08:50pm

Night all!

86 gromster  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:09:00pm

OT/
Calling "Mr. Mom."

I left a post or two for you (and 'about' you) in this thread ("Which web browser do you prefer?"), specifically #592 and #600

And it certainly wouldn't hurt you to take a look at these posts...
#591
608, 613, 614, 642

87 gop_patriot  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:09:17pm

re: #83 song_and_dance_man

/if I get beetlejuice I'm gonna be pissed.

LOLOL

88 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:09:24pm

re: #83 song_and_dance_man

Invoketh not the turnspeaker!

89 EE  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:09:50pm

To use US troops to invade Israel to impose a "solution" for the Palis, and to keep them there forever, does not make sense. But Samantha Power's pretense that she didn't know what she was talking about should ring some more alarm bells. This is the person who is Obama's main foreign policy adviser, and could wind up with a cabinet level position in an Obama presidency.

There are about a half million Jews living in Judea and Samaria and in the eastern part of Jerusalem. Power would send US troops to expel them from their homes and communities, and make Judea and Samaria and eastern Jerusalem Judenrein. And US troops would be used to help the enemy of Israel to develop its armed might to be able to be a greater threat to Israel. The Jews would be better concentrated, so that they would make a more attractive target for an Iranian nuke. Then US troops would either stay there forever, or would leave Israel in the most unfortunate situation and cut out.

This would not be a change for the better. It would not be a change I could believe in. It would be a most dangerous and unfortunate change.

90 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:09:57pm

Rethinking Iran

A new Iran policy should start with the premise that any country behind a problem can also be behind a solution. No aspect of the Iraq quagmire can be resolved without Iranian involvement. Washington has a better chance of modifying Iran's influence in Iraq--and Afghanistan, the Palestinian territories and Lebanon--than of immediately halting it.

Oh dear.

91 rappmandu  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:10:05pm

Obama '08: Invade America!

92 snowcrash  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:10:07pm

re: #70 LoneStarLizard
I know, but will I have to round up voters or can I just stand there and be counted? I might do it to see what it is all about but I can't campaign for her!

93 jcm  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:11:03pm

re: #74 elevenbravo1969

#42 JCM
Here is the link to BHO's thoughts on our defense...
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Thanks.

94 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:11:04pm

re: #91 rappmandu

rotff!

95 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:11:18pm

re: #90 Kenneth

This chick is bad news.

96 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:11:46pm

re: #91 rappmandu


There were no Americans in the USA until Obama invaded!

97 beachkatie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:11:58pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

I miss Rudy.

Me to....But Fred MORE!:)

98 Alas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:11:59pm

Sderot under attack (and this video is old but visually tells the story of the situation, which has gotten a lot worse)...

99 yehoshua  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:12:14pm

If Arabs put down their weapons, there will be no more war.
If Israel puts down its weapons, there will be no more Israel.
(inspired by the words of David Ha'Ivri)

100 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:12:32pm

re: #76 Geepers

Hey J.D.

Hey Geepers!

101 sparrowlake  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:12:37pm

re: #78 MandyManners

WTF, who dares to mock the tingle?

102 jcm  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:12:39pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

re: #90 Kenneth

This chick is bad news.

And she's giving BHO foreign policy advice. This guy is shaping up to make Carter look like a piker.

103 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:12:39pm

Vote Lord Obama!

/because Trotsky is dead

104 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:12:50pm
105 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:13:08pm

re: #83 song_and_dance_man

re: #66 MandyManners

Let's see if I still have the touch.

Cognito

Cognito

Cognito

/if I get beetlejuice I'm gonna be pissed.

You're scaring me!

106 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:13:11pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout


Google her name and a whole shitload of Gramscian Whoremongering turns up. What a surprise!

107 Sounder  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:13:31pm

How can people as dumb as that, make a living?

108 laZardo  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:13:47pm

re: #91 rappmandu

If that happened, it would make us insurgents - and by moonbat logic, freedom fighters for the oppressed.

/funny how that turns out.

109 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:14:12pm

re: #107 Sounder

How can people as dumb as that, make a living?

With alotta help, I suppose... :-|

110 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:14:15pm

re: #107 Sounder

How can people as dumb as that, make a living?

They walk amongst us.

111 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:14:22pm
112 1SG(ret)  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:14:30pm

re: #37 Killian Bundy

Gee, why doesn't this surprise me?

Obama Served On Board That Funded Pro-Palestinian Group


Democratic presidential frontrunner Sen. Barack Obama served as a paid director on the board of a nonprofit organization that granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a "catastrophe." (Obama has also reportedly spoken at fundraisers for Palestinians living in what the United Nations terms refugee camps.)

The co-founder of the Arab group, Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, is a harsh critic of Israel who reportedly worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization when it was labeled a terror group by the State Department.

Khalidi held a fundraiser in 2000 for Obama’s failed bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives.

In 2001, the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit that describes itself as a group helping the disadvantaged, provided a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, at which Khalidi’s wife, Mona, serves as president. The Fund provided a second grant to AAAN for $35,000 in 2002.

Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund’s website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000.

The $40,000 grant from the Woods Fund to AAAN constituted about a fifth of the group’s reported grants for 2001, also according to tax filings. The $35,000 Woods Fund grant in 2002 made up about one-fifth of AAAN’s reported grants for that year as well.


After all, Lord Obama hates America.

/yet the LSM allows him to skate

Yet all this will mean nothing unless McCain is willing to use it in the general election. He doesn't seem inclined to do so. Clean race and all. We all know the MSM won't bring any of this up.

113 pegcity  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:14:44pm

oh im sure this is going to play out well, you see when i said Israel i really meant um, ah Iraq.

114 BlueCanuck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:15:01pm

re: #52 Kenneth

The worst part about M.P. Ignatieff is that he's the Canadian "Loyal" opposition deputy leader.

From the article:

("Iggy," by the way, left Harvard in 2005 to plunge into Canadian politics, and he is now deputy leader of Canada's opposition Liberal Party. He still has strong views on what Americans should do. "I've worn my heart on my sleeve for a year," he recently announced. "I'm for Obama.")

Hooray for the socialist left. *spit*

115 rappmandu  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:15:02pm

re: #96 Kenneth

I'm impress!

116 RememberSekhmet?  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:15:04pm

re: #107 Sounder

How can people as dumb as that, make a living?

Because people really want to believe that the whole reason the Arabs and Israelis fight is because someone hasn't been clever enough to come up with a solution that works, short of letting them duke it out until the Arabs get the idea that they aren't dislodging the Jews.

117 m  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:15:06pm

re: #90 Kenneth

Oh dear indeed. :(

re: #92 snowcrash

I pictured you stomping your foot when you said that last part :)

118 SlartyBartfast  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:15:09pm

re: #73 MandyManners

re: #59 VegasRick

I wonder how many drugs she ingested in college.

Do you think she stopped?

I might go back to them before the election.

My wife just looked over my shoulder and said, "What'cha doin'?", so I showed her the article linked above, "Speaking Truth to Power" regarding Samantha Power. The comment thread above was practically a DUPLICATE of our follow up conversation! Too funny!

119 ec marm  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:15:16pm

re: #91 rappmandu

Obama '08: Invade America!


It went unnoticed at the time, because everyone thought Obama had zero chance against Hillary, but some folks in Pakistan didn't take kindly to his suggestion of invading Pakistan. I just found this picture a couple of days ago. Dath to Obama! Sign at back and effigy on right side.

120 RadicalRon  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:15:34pm

OT -- Czech President Vaclav Klaus coming up on Glenn Beck to discuss 'global warming'.

121 miguelj  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:15:55pm

Evil little nazi twit (I hope she reads this).
For a first class vivisection of Baraq, just look at what "Spengler" writes:

[Link: www.atimes.com...]

122 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:16:02pm

Hey m!

123 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:16:04pm

re: #101 sparrowlake

re: #78 MandyManners

WTF, who dares to mock the tingle?

I do!

124 Dar ul Harbarian  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:16:32pm

Obama is not a militaristic cowboy....as far as I know.

125 beachkatie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:16:35pm

re: #85 VegasRickSweetdreams!

126 Alas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:16:40pm
The Price of Israel-Bashing
By P. David Hornik
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, March 03, 2008
“70 Palestinians Killed in IDF Operation in Gaza.” “IDF Kills Palestinian Teen.” Those aren’t recent headlines from Al Jazeera’s website or even from the New York Times, but from ynetnews.com, English website of Israel’s own largest daily Yediot Aharonot.

One could imagine instead “IDF Hits Weapons Labs, Terrorist Leaders” with subsequent information in the article about civilian casualties—which are, after all, a feature of every war, and especially those waged in built-up areas against terrorist organizations that purposely take refuge among the populace.

Instead, since Israel began stepped-up operations against Gaza terror in response to round-the-clock shelling of Sderot, Ashkelon, and other Israeli communities, most of the Israeli English-language sites have been showing their “Israel kills Palestinians” bona fides. It brings in more readers than dull stuff about weapons depots and shows that the Israeli media keep pace with the rest of the world in Palestinian chic.

[Link: frontpagemagazine.com...]

127 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:16:42pm
128 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:16:46pm

This man is going to get us all killed.

Obama / Apocalypse '08!

129 m  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:16:54pm

J.D.!

130 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:17:10pm

re: #112 1SG(ret)

He doesn't have to. Some other PAC could run commercials that do. Sorta like the Swift Boat bunch did to Kerry.

131 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:17:17pm

re: #77 macintush

re: #71 Slumbering Behemoth

If I could figure out a way to sell "stupid", I would mine that [deleted]'s brain and retire a billionaire.

Obama's a Bilionaire?!?

That depends, did HE figure out a way to sell "stupid"?

/It seems he has

132 Da_Beerfreak  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:17:26pm
re: #101 sparrowlake

re: #78 MandyManners

WTF, who dares to mock the tingle?

That would be me.
// {;-)™

133 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:17:35pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

re: #90 Kenneth

This chick is bad news.

/for Young Ones fans

134 mean Gene  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:17:55pm

Just as I was searching to see how the LLL media was covering (not at all) her veiws on the Jenin massacres and wishing she'd get more coverage....here it is!
Thanks Charles once again.

135 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:18:16pm

re: #127 song_and_dance_man

re: #105 MandyManners

Abu

*hiding under my desk*

136 LoneStarLizard  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:18:21pm

re: #92 snowcrash

re: #70 LoneStarLizard
I know, but will I have to round up voters or can I just stand there and be counted? I might do it to see what it is all about but I can't campaign for her!

My understanding (which is entirely internet based since I have never caucused before) is that you simply show up there, and they tell you where to go stand if you are for Shrillary, and then they count how many people are in each group and assign delegates accordingly. I'm sure it would be an adventure and I hate to miss out on it..

I could not campaign for her either. I have told all of the conservatives that I know what I plan to do, and why I am doing it. I hope some of them will consider it. Polls seem to have BO and Shrillary pretty well tied up right now, so a well placed, strategic conservative vote could make the difference. John McCain does not need my help right now, and neither does John Cornyn (although for entertainment purposes I recommend you read up on the nut job who is opposing John Cornyn, Larry Kilgore).. Wow. How that guy even got on the ballot is way beyond me. But he is clearly no threat to John Cornyn).

137 mean Gene  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:18:59pm

re: #126 Alas

Only 70?
The number keeps inflating.
I heard ~120 today, too.
I'm surprised we haven't heard it was in the hundreds.

138 Alas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:19:38pm

Sharia creep...

Author and expert on radical Islam Robert Spencer has been sounding the alarm about “sharia creep” for years at his website DhimmiWatch. In an exclusive interview with FrontPageMag.com, Spencer reflected on whether or not his efforts to warn the public were paying off:

I think we may be getting through to a very small number of people, but Muslim Brotherhood front organizations in the U.S. are still making tremendous headway by portraying these Sharia-creep initiatives as simple matters of civil rights, and playing on fears among public officials, and the public at large, of being seen as racist and bigoted.

It is getting worse, because there is a concerted effort by the MSA's on various campuses and other groups to push Muslim accommodation issues aggressively, but this effort is relatively new. We didn't see it on this scale ten or even five years ago. I think it is a natural outgrowth of the post-9/11 anxiety on the part of government and media not to appear ‘Islamophobic.’ As long as that continues to be a matter for concern, there will be continued accommodation of Muslim practices and Islamic distinctiveness, which only aids and abets the Islamic supremacist agenda.

At the same time, Spencer sees “an increasingly discussion of the creeping Sharia/stealth jihad issue by an increasing number of writers.” Writers like Daniel Pipes and Diana West have devoted recent columns to the domestic front on the War on Terror. But despite the work they and others do, the “level of awareness right now is so abysmal,” continued Robert Spencer, “that I think the main thing people can do is try to call attention, via letters to the editor, contacts to their elected officials, the blogsophere, etc., to the explicit campaign being undertaken here. The idea would be to awaken as many people as possible to what is going on here -- who the groups are that are pursuing this agenda, and what the agenda really is, behind all the talk of ‘hate speech’ and accommodation of cultural practices in the name of multiculturalism and diversity.”

[Link: frontpagemagazine.com...]

139 rappmandu  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:19:56pm

His supporters are impervious to logic and facts.

Only laughter, mockery, and ridicule can save us now.

140 beachkatie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:20:13pm

re: #128 mama winger

This man is going to get us all killed.

Obama / Apocalypse '08!


Amen to thaT!:0

141 shibumi  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:20:14pm

Attention, American voters of Pakistani descent!

In the name of world peace, Obama would not mind invading your country, who is an ally of the U.S.


Attention, American voters of Jewish descent!

In the name of world peace, one of Obama's key foreign policy advisers has, in the past, declared she would not be adverse to invading Israel, who is an ally of the U.S.

142 sultan_knish  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:20:26pm

Don't bomb Iran. Bomb Israel.

Well I think Obama's foreign policy is coming together real good. Tariq Ramadan will be very proud.

143 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:20:49pm

and now for our Lenten reading for today:

Everyone turn in the Book of Matthew, to the Sermon on the Mount. We shall be reading from the portion wherein gay unions are blessed by God. . . . . .

Tomorrow's reading:

The Christianity of abortion.......

144 zombie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:21:07pm

We have GOT to take Obama down.

If he wins the nomination, we've got to roll up our sleeves and get the job done. Because if he wins, he'll be like Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford and Herbert Hoover rolled into one. Times a hundred.

145 FightingBack  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:21:28pm

re: #84 laZardo

re: #47 Geepers

Where was that runaround quote from that Miss USA debacle some time back?

She's young. What's Power's excuse?

146 sultan_knish  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:21:54pm

re: #141 shibumi

Obama and his foreign policy advisor's criteria for bombing or invading a country seems to depend on whether it's an American ally or not

Traditionally Presidents have invaded and bombed enemies rather than allies. Obama promises to bring us a new wave of thinking to bomb and invade our allies while appeasing our enemies.

Yes, yes we can

147 SlartyBartfast  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:22:14pm

re: #90 Kenneth

Rethinking Iran

A new Iran policy should start with the premise that any country behind a problem can also be behind a solution. No aspect of the Iraq quagmire can be resolved without Iranian involvement. Washington has a better chance of modifying Iran's influence in Iraq--and Afghanistan, the Palestinian territories and Lebanon--than of immediately halting it.

Oh dear.

You read that, now read this:

VIENNA/UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - U.N. investigators want Iran to explain an organizational chart linking projects to process uranium, test explosives and modify a missile cone for a nuclear payload, diplomats briefed on the matter say.

Uh, oh...

Now, imagine Obama in the White House.

I'm going back to reading my Bible...

"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed."

Luke 11:21

148 zombie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:22:28pm

Yes, yes we can kick Obama's ass.

149 jcm  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:22:31pm

'Why Can't We?'
SAMANTHA POWER

Now, Obama is a seriously special dude. I have never come across anybody like him in public life.
150 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:23:15pm

re: #149 jcm

'Why Can't We?'
SAMANTHA POWER

Now, Obama is a seriously special dude. I have never come across anybody like him in public life.

Yep. It's not everyday your run across the antiChrist.

151 rappmandu  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:23:34pm

Obama is so ripe for Sacha Baron Cohen's next avatar.

152 sultan_knish  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:23:56pm

Next up, Obama will bomb Britain if it tries to violate the human rights of Muslim nurses by making them wash their hands

Yes, yes we can

153 ec marm  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:24:01pm

re: #144 zombie

We have GOT to take Obama down.

If he wins the nomination, we've got to roll up our sleeves and get the job done. Because if he wins, he'll be like Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford and Herbert Hoover rolled into one. Times a hundred.


Two words... Ralph Nader.
We can't get the moonbats to embrace a Republican, but given enough Taqiyya on our parts, they might just want to throw their vote away in that direction. Or stay home. Both work for me.

154 sparrowlake  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:24:19pm

re: #99 yehoshua

If Arabs put down their weapons, there will be no more war.
If Israel puts down its weapons, there will be no more Israel.
(inspired by the words of David Ha'Ivri)

It is our holy dream:
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall man know war anymore.
Too bad it's just a dream.

155 1SG(ret)  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:24:56pm

re: #130 NomadOfNorad

re: #112 1SG(ret)

He doesn't have to. Some other PAC could run commercials that do. Sorta like the Swift Boat bunch did to Kerry.

Where do I contribute? lol

156 shibumi  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:25:01pm

re: #119 ec marm

re: #91 rappmandu

Obama '08: Invade America!


It went unnoticed at the time, because everyone thought Obama had zero chance against Hillary, but some folks in Pakistan didn't take kindly to his suggestion of invading Pakistan. I just found this picture a couple of days ago. Dath to Obama! Sign at back and effigy on right side.

I am somewhat disconcerted when native Pakistani's dislike the same U.S. political candidate I dislike.

157 Geepers  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:25:29pm

Dar ul Harbarian (#124),

Obama is not a militaristic cowboy....as far as I know.

Obama ‘04: For Hitting Iran, Even Pakistan

158 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:25:38pm

re: #149 jcm

From your link, Samatha Power misreads her own character:
"As a now-responsible adult..."
GMAFB
/the phrase beginning with give me and ending with break

159 shibumi  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:26:28pm

re: #146 sultan_knish

re: #141 shibumi

Obama and his foreign policy advisor's criteria for bombing or invading a country seems to depend on whether it's an American ally or not

Traditionally Presidents have invaded and bombed enemies rather than allies. Obama promises to bring us a new wave of thinking to bomb and invade our allies while appeasing our enemies.

Yes, yes we can

HAHA!

If we follow that logic.....we should invade Saudi Arabia!

However, I don't think you're going to hear that from the progressive communist democrats.

But there's always...hope!

160 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:26:36pm

re: #148 zombie

Yes, yes we can kick Obama's ass.

A few days ago I had asked for slogans that completed Obama's.
I didn't get many, but yours is by far the best!

161 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:26:50pm

re: #15 Merovign

If Ron Paul, the only other other man who can save America, were a registered Democrat he'd be tied with Osamabama...

162 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:26:52pm

re: #123 MandyManners

re: #101 sparrowlake

re: #78 MandyManners

WTF, who dares to mock the tingle?

I do!

We praise the tingle in our house since baby girl is potty training.

No, wait ... that's the "tinkle"

never mind.

I really look forward to getting some sleep some day.

163 snowcrash  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:26:54pm

re: #136 LoneStarLizard
Thanks, may be my only chance in this lifetime to caucus.......I'll let you know. Kids say its snowing out (1st of the year) have to go see it!

164 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:26:55pm

Good Evening Lizards! It's wierd in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland. Of course, you knew that.

How are you-all and what are we talking about this evening?

165 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:27:25pm
166 sparrowlake  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:27:40pm

re: #123 MandyManners

re: #101 sparrowlake


re: #78 MandyManners

WTF, who dares to mock the tingle?


I do!


Et tu Mandy - then die Matthews.

167 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:27:47pm

re: #162 Lucius Septimius

I really look forward to getting some sleep some day.

Sleep while you drive to work. It's your only chance.

168 mikeinmd  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:27:57pm

email her Nekama's Troll Hammer.

169 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:28:07pm

re: #143 mama winger

and now for our Lenten reading for today:

Everyone turn in the Book of Matthew, to the Sermon on the Mount. We shall be reading from the portion wherein gay unions are blessed by God. . . . . .

Tomorrow's reading:

The Christianity of abortion.......

Obama: Sermon on Mount Justifies Same-Sex Unions

Just in case anyone thought you were kidding. But wait, there's more . . .

Obama's Candidacy 'Speaks to Muslims Abroad'

The Democratic primary race is fueling considerable debate in the Arab world, where Israel, Iraq and Iran are the most important issues for many.

Both candidates essentially favor a phased withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, multilateral diplomacy with Iran, and a two-state settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict while claiming to be strongly supportive of Israel.

But it is Obama's candidacy that appears to have stoked the most interest in recent weeks.

When several hundred Muslim representatives from across the Islamic world got together with American scholars at a Brookings Institution-organized event in Qatar last month, a straw poll on the presidential candidates handed an overwhelming victory to Obama.

Tamara Cofman Wittes, a Brookings senior fellow who participated in the U.S.-Islamic Forum in Doha, observed at the time, "The symbolism of a major American presidential candidate with the middle name of Hussein, who went to elementary school in Indonesia, certainly speaks to Muslims abroad."

"Given a chance, the Arabs and Muslims would vote for candidate Obama," columnist Aijaz Zaka Syed wrote in the Dubai-based Khaleej Times . "After the unholy mess that you see from Palestine to Pakistan, the last thing we want is another trigger-happy cowboy in the White House. So we are all for the change that Obama promises."

/damn, this is even easier than ripping on Mac users

170 schlagerman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:28:24pm

Just think of what an invasion of Israel would do for our image around the world. We often hear that our worldwide image is in need of repair. This would do the trick, no?

/this is most definitely sarcasm

171 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:28:45pm

re: #163 snowcrash

re: #136 LoneStarLizard
Thanks, may be my only chance in this lifetime to caucus.......I'll let you know. Kids say its snowing out (1st of the year) have to go see it!

First of the year?

FIRST OF THE YEAR ?!?


[deleted]

172 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:29:22pm

re: #150 mama winger

re: #149 jcm

'Why Can't We?'
SAMANTHA POWER

Now, Obama is a seriously special dude. I have never come across anybody like him in public life.

Yep. It's not everyday your run across the antiChrist.

For me, this was the telling quote.


I've always liked to be the center of attention. This is a pretty obnoxious quality

Yes, one of your many obnoxious qualities, you ninny.

173 Blackacre  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:29:23pm
"but actually investing in the new state of Palestine, in investing the billions of dollars it would probably take, also, to support what will have to be a mammoth protection force, not of the old Rwanda kind, but a meaningful military presence"

In Samantha's world view, arms are for thugs.

174 zombie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:29:45pm

Oops, the "minus" click on comment #169 was an accident. I clicked "new comments," it took a second too long to register, so I clicked again, but at that very instant the new comments unrolled and I hit the minus button instead. Apologies!

175 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:29:57pm

re: #169 Killian Bundy

Obama: Sermon on Mount Justifies Same-Sex Unions

Just in case anyone thought you were kidding.

You can't make this stuff up .

176 rappmandu  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:30:05pm

Yes, The Candyman Can!

177 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:30:24pm

re: #167 mama winger

re: #162 Lucius Septimius

I really look forward to getting some sleep some day.

Sleep while you drive to work. It's your only chance.

Unfortunately, it's only a 3 1/2 minute drive.

Of course I could just do like the students and sleep through my lecture.

178 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:30:32pm

re: #102 jcm

It's a distinct possibility that Israel might be friendless for four years. They'll have to take care of some business in Iran and Gaza before the next election while they still have American support.

179 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:30:40pm
180 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:30:55pm

re: #174 zombie

I updinged for ya to balance it back, lol

181 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:30:56pm

re: #149 jcm

'Why Can't We?'
SAMANTHA POWER

Now, Obama is a seriously special dude. I have never come across anybody like him in public life.

Reading that whole piece it becomes abundantly clear that Samantha Power is drunk on self-regard. Is there a word expansive enough to describe this condition? She can't be an Obama adviser, she couldn't get her giant head through the White House doors.

182 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:31:09pm

re: #107 Sounder

because it's against the law to "sack them" in the traditional original sense...

183 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:31:16pm

re: #177 Lucius Septimius

Of course I could just do like the students and sleep through my lecture.

Go for it. If they're asleep, no one will ever know.

184 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:31:22pm

re: #170 schlagerman

Just think of what an invasion of Israel would do for our image around the world. We often hear that our worldwide image is in need of repair. This would do the trick, no?

/this is most definitely sarcasm

But...wouldn't we still be western imperialist aggressors?
No matter, of course, if the cause is right.

185 FightingBack  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:31:22pm

If we elect him, will the world love us, then?
/

186 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:31:27pm
187 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:32:13pm

re: #186 Ben Hur

Hey, Canada. Stay out of this.

188 solomonpanting  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:32:16pm

Just as troubling is the sickness of the interviewer who asked:

Would you advise him to put a structure in place to monitor that situation, at least if one party or another [starts] looking like they might be moving toward genocide?

I don't recall the Israelis calling for genocide. But if memory serves me well, not just the Palis, but so many others continually seek Israel's demise. The interviewer really believes what she asks. That's scary.

189 threecoloursblue  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:32:16pm

Well, there's no excuse for not knowing about Samantha Power and what she thinks on everything from the Armenian Genocide to Darfur to tax cuts......

....... there's two full pages of her on Youtube !

190 mikeymom  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:32:30pm

OT- but wanted to thank all lizards who prayed for my sis last night- my bro in law reports that she is better today- more lucid-they will do an mri tonight but looks like she didn't have a tia(mini-stroke)-still faces lots of rehab,but her mind seems to be ok! (probably just manhattan withdrawl!)) j.k.-thx again all!

191 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:32:38pm

ha

192 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:32:56pm
193 rappmandu  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:33:13pm

I've found a new middle name for Barack Obama. Hugo. With a silent "H."

/middle name's back on the menu!

194 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:33:23pm

re: #190 mikeymom

OT- but wanted to thank all lizards who prayed for my sis last night- my bro in law reports that she is better today- more lucid-they will do an mri tonight but looks like she didn't have a tia(mini-stroke)-still faces lots of rehab,but her mind seems to be ok! (probably just manhattan withdrawl!)) j.k.-thx again all!

I didn't see that last night. I'll make sure to do double-prayers for her this evening. I'm glad things are looking a little better.

195 bar  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:33:28pm

Obama is not the anti-Christ, yet, as far as I know.

196 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:33:45pm

re: #192 song_and_dance_man

{song}

197 SDben5  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:34:05pm

Has anyone found any link between Saudi money and the Barack campaign?

198 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:34:06pm

re: #191 BabbaZee

Hey Babba. I am getting dispirited. Any songs to lift it up?

199 schlagerman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:34:21pm

re: #184 J.D.


You do have a point, but the Western imperial aggression would be directed towards Israel. I'm sure, given the rabid anti-Israel sentiment throughout the world, this particular aggression would be forgiven, perhaps even applauded.

200 mikeinmd  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:34:24pm

BHOtox, all fake

201 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:34:28pm
I'd feel like a slacker if I stayed buried in the archives, working on another book, when an occasion like this one offered me an opportunity to make some small contribution to an adult conversation about America's role in the world.

Well, she's definitely giving the adults here something to talk about. And I for one think that such adult conversation calls for adult beverages.

202 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:34:41pm

She looks exactly like the kind of squinty-eyed, carefully coiffured, boomeresque know-it-all "academic" that I wouldn't want anywhere near the White House; the kind of person who holds titles containing words like "Studies" and "Global" and "Justice", who isn't even slightly endangered by the real-world results of their ideas.

I hear Sderot is nice this time of year.

203 beachkatie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:34:56pm

re: #148 zombie

If enough people care to take care of them self ,and tell the welfare whore mongers of our government to let us keep our tax cuts we can take care our own health care.... and we don't need and new gov. handouts!

204 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:35:05pm

re: #194 mama winger

I never pictured you as a "closer" in the prayer world, mama. :)

205 m  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:35:09pm

re: #191 BabbaZee

re: #192 song_and_dance_man

Well I can't take it back down- I like my Vista :)

206 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:35:13pm

re: #181 jaunte

I think Dr. Sanity has covered it.

207 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:35:17pm
208 mikeymom  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:35:30pm

thx mama-had a total knee replacementon fri am-was doing fine-then went a little bonkers on sun (she had a major stroke 5 yrs ago) but is better

209 Artiste  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:36:31pm

re: #544 zombie

re: #432 Artiste


zombie is here? I found another picture of my ex-boyfriend on zombietime.

Which photo?

IMG_8879 in Presidential Campaign Sunday. This is same event where I found the first picture, so it is not that big a deal.

Once I spotted him in IMG_8833, I knew exactly where to look in other crowd photos.

Do not fear; this is not a stalker case or anything that could get you sued. I just thought it might be interesting to look for people I used to associate with.

210 SlartyBartfast  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:36:41pm

re: #169 Killian Bundy

Obama sayeth:

"If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans."

Discount what you will, Barak...

"You are of your father, the devil, and it is your will to practice the lusts and gratify the desires [which are characteristic] of your father."

John 8:44

/Okay, no more scripture tonight...I'm going to bed.

211 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:37:08pm

re: #199 schlagerman

You do have a point, but the Western imperial aggression would be directed towards Israel.


Yes. I am aware of that.

Shoulda used the sarc tag.

212 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:37:16pm
213 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:37:16pm

re: #179 song_and_dance_man

re: #174 zombie

I +'d it and made it all better.

So did I. Looks like several others already had when I did, it leaped from -1 to +5 when I clicked the + there.

214 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:37:20pm
215 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:37:26pm

re: #198 mama winger

hmmm
that's a tough request for me tonight...

I'll try.....


well...it's upbeat in tempo anyway!And the critters are cute.

216 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:37:40pm

re: #208 mikeymom

thx mama-had a total knee replacementon fri am-was doing fine-then went a little bonkers on sun (she had a major stroke 5 yrs ago) but is better

I am familiar with bonkers. I have lived in that neighborhood before. :)

She's on my list.

217 antiislamist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:37:51pm

Obama will be dangerous then carter!

218 antiislamist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:38:25pm

re: #191 BabbaZee

m i dreaming ?

219 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:38:29pm

re: #212 ploome hineni

..she wants to invade Israel?

how about a compromise,

let her invade Serbia, and just lob a few bombs at Tel Aviv?

/

Now there's a plan.
Hey ploome.

220 threecoloursblue  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:38:48pm

re: #178 Killgore Trout

There's a whisper around...no, I have no link... that the Gaza incursion is a military slaparound of Hamas, to be followed by a political slaparound to be created by releasing Marwan Bargouti to take over Fatah, which would then put Hamas out of business. All to be followed by a " deal". Since deals are always done between hard men,maybe some settlement will come?

221 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:39:00pm

re: #215 BabbaZee

re: #198 mama winger

hmmm
that's a tough request for me tonight...

I'll try.....


well...it's upbeat in tempo anyway!And the critters are cute.

HAHAHA! I love it! How do you know just what I need, Babba. Some people give gifts. You ARE a gift.

222 Palandine  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:39:05pm

Does her plan involve enlisting the Muslim trees that will point out where the Jews are so they can be killed? It can't work without the trees, man...
/heavy, heavy sarc

When are leftists going to come up with a game plan for peace that doesn't involve killing millions of Jews? It's just so 1930s.

I will bless those who bless Israel, and curse those who curse her.

223 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:39:09pm

re: #214 song_and_dance_man

!lol!
That is my all time favorite recording of hatikvah

224 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:39:23pm
225 mikeymom  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:39:25pm

thx mama- as i said-may have just been manhattan withdrawel-she and hubby have 1 or 2 every night before dinner-lol

226 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:39:29pm
227 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:39:36pm

st. pancake w/ an army

228 LoneStarLizard  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:39:49pm

re: #171 mama winger

re: #163 snowcrash

re: #136 LoneStarLizard
Thanks, may be my only chance in this lifetime to caucus.......I'll let you know. Kids say its snowing out (1st of the year) have to go see it!

First of the year?

FIRST OF THE YEAR ?!?


[deleted]

I don't know which part of texas snowcrash is in, but it is most assuredly not snowing here in South Texas. It is windy and cold, but not snowing... Hasn't snowed here since 2004.

229 ec marm  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:40:00pm

Obama will reject 'cowboy diplomacy' - well sort of ...

230 zombie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:40:00pm

re: #209 Artiste

Ah, OK!

231 bar  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:40:04pm

Breaking news:
Obama woke up this morning and put his shoes on, the left one first, then the right, democrats swoon, Full story at 11.

232 Opilio  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:40:06pm

re: #74 elevenbravo1969

#42 JCM
Here is the link to BHO's thoughts on our defense...
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

For the bandwidth limited, here's a transcript of that clip of Obama's thoughts on defense:

...I'm the only major candidate who's opposed this war from the beginning, and as President I will end it.

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending. I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems, and I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the quadrennial defense review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons, I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material, and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBM's off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

233 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:40:06pm

re: #227 nyc redneck

st. pancake w/ an army

Hey! I already thought that myself!

234 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:40:08pm

Chainsaw. As a way of expressing the real world to her.

235 antiislamist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:40:32pm

re: #198 mama winger

its time to get ready, we fought for our freedom, & we will stand for our freedom...

--
yours
Hindu zionist

236 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:40:33pm
237 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:40:36pm

re: #206 ggt

Good link; I'll try to make up a new slang term that will describe the Power person more specifically. 'Fatheaded self-regarding blowhole' seems a bit long.

238 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:40:38pm

re: #231 bar

Breaking news:
Obama woke up this morning and put his shoes on, the left one first, then the right, democrats swoon, Full story at 11.

lol

239 1SG(ret)  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:40:45pm

re: #220 threecoloursblue

re: #178 Killgore Trout

There's a whisper around...no, I have no link... that the Gaza incursion is a military slaparound of Hamas, to be followed by a political slaparound to be created by releasing Marwan Bargouti to take over Fatah, which would then put Hamas out of business. All to be followed by a " deal". Since deals are always done between hard men,maybe some settlement will come?

With not link, doesn't that amount to "Just Words"?

240 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:41:13pm
241 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:41:37pm

I pledge allegience . . . to my genitals!

/hundreds of thousands died for that flag

242 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:41:55pm
243 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:42:00pm

re: #237 jaunte

What about "Egofats"

244 schlagerman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:42:13pm

re: #211 J.D.


I know it was sarcasm. I should've made my post clearer.

245 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:42:14pm

re: #235 antiislamist

re: #198 mama winger

its time to get ready, we fought for our freedom, & we will stand for our freedom...

--
yours
Hindu zionist

Amen to that.

246 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:42:21pm

re: #231 bar

Breaking news:
Obama woke up this morning and put his shoes on, the left one first, then the right, democrats swoon, Full story at 11.

Shoe Follower: He has given us... his shoe!
Arthur: The shoe is the sign. Let us follow His example.
Spike: What?
Arthur: Let us, like Him, hold up one shoe and let the other be upon our foot, for this is His sign, that all who follow Him shall do likewise.
Eddie: Yes.
Shoe Follower: No, no, no. The shoe is...
Youth: No.
Shoe Follower: ...a sign that we must gather shoes together in abundance.
Girl: Cast off...
Spike: Aye. What?
Girl: ...the shoes! Follow the Gourd!
Shoe Follower: No! Let us gather shoes together!
Frank: Yes.
Shoe Follower: Let me!
Elsie: Oh, get off!
Youth: No, no! It is a sign that, like Him, we must think not of the things of the body, but of the face and head!
Shoe Follower: Give me your shoe!

/Life of Brian, but you knew that

247 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:43:21pm

re: #221 mama winger

aww {mama} that's so sweet thanks

but really, I am quite a homicidal old bat at heart...
;~}


I gotta at least try to go to sleep

Later mah Lizardim

248 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:44:20pm

re: #243 ggt

re: #237 jaunte

What about "Egofats"

I like it! Power Egofats!

249 threecoloursblue  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:44:20pm

re: #239 1SG(ret)

Yes. But I heard it from some quite knowledgeable people.

250 beachkatie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:44:33pm

re: #247 BabbaZee
Sweetdreams!

251 Shug  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:44:39pm

re: #124 Dar ul Harbarian

Obama is not a militaristic cowboy....as far as I know.


His foreign policy reminds me more of the cowboy from the village people

252 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:44:39pm

re: #233 J.D.

re: #227 nyc redneck

st. pancake w/ an army

Hey! I already thought that myself!

i came across her book the other day in the book store. a hard back, no less. i looked at the scrawls and pencil drawings and doodles. some juvenile poetry and daily journal entries. typical gung ho crap from a young misguided mind. i put the blame on her parents. they should be prosecuted.

253 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:44:48pm

re: #248 jaunte

always trying to contribute . . .

254 1SG(ret)  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:45:52pm

re: #249 threecoloursblue

Sorry it was a pun and should have stated such.

255 antiislamist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:45:54pm

M i dreaming... i still cant believe, i read that ,,,

its 3:45:28 AM.... i must be dreaming... it must be a bad dream..

256 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:46:05pm

My kid just asked what "gay" also means.

I said, "happy".

"Oh yeah", kid replied.

I fear for our language.

257 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:46:11pm

re: #241 Killian Bundy

I pledge allegience . . . to my genitals!

/hundreds of thousands died for that flag

Whenever I see that picture, I think of THIS ONE

Anyone else?

258 solomonpanting  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:46:18pm

Hamas can run but they can't hide.

Wary Gaza militants using binoculars are on constant lookout for drones. When one is sighted overhead, the militants report via walkie-talkie to their comrades, warning them to turn off their cell phones and remove the batteries for fear the Israeli technology will trace their whereabouts.

259 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:47:07pm

re: #247 BabbaZee

Get some rest, babbalah

260 guitardalek  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:47:11pm

re: #251 Shug

bwa ha ha

261 threecoloursblue  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:47:14pm

re: #254 1SG(ret)

I thought it might be... then i thought , no, perhaps, then......

262 Geepers  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:47:32pm

Bloodnok (#246),

Blessed are the cheese-makers.

263 antiislamist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:47:56pm

re: #256 ggt

He he... tell him, it means human...

Better to stand with humanity.. then to accept apartheid arabic/Iranian culture

264 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:48:07pm

re: #262 Geepers

Bloodnok (#246),

Blessed are the cheese-makers.

The Goat thread is back that way

265 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:48:09pm

re: #257 mama winger

re: #241 Killian Bundy

I pledge allegience . . . to my genitals!

/hundreds of thousands died for that flag

Whenever I see that picture, I think of THIS ONE

Anyone else?

absolute purposeful disrespect.

266 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:48:09pm

re: #262 Geepers

Bloodnok (#246),

Blessed are the cheese-makers.

Not to be confused with the cheese-cutters.

267 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:48:37pm
268 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:49:23pm

re: #252 nyc redneck

Yes, they probably should, but they are punished on a daily basis, so ...

269 threecoloursblue  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:49:31pm

re: #266 Lucius Septimius

I think he means all those involved in the dairy industry. At least I hope he does.

270 Alas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:49:41pm

re: #137 mean Gene

re: #126 Alas

Only 70?
The number keeps inflating.
I heard ~120 today, too.
I'm surprised we haven't heard it was in the hundreds.

The Palestinians are saying it's a genocide and holocaust, and the media just quote them. What the hell? It's like reporting the babblings of the insane. You'd think some lies are too big to even be acknowledged, but when it comes to lies about Israel or the US, nothing is too outlandish to be duly repeated by the MSM. This constant repetition of the most absurd lies then feeds the public consciousness, and people conclude: Israel bad, Palestinians poor victims, regardless of the facts. You have to hand it to the Muslim world: they have figured out that there are enough people in the West who hate themselves and feel so guilty about their own Western privileges so much, or are just plain stupid, that they will buy the most insane propaganda.

Israel withdraws from Gaza. Hamas takes over. Since then it's a constant ever-escalating barrage of rockets more frequently and constantly deeper into Israel. Israel takes little action, but when it finally does respond, it's genocide and holocaust. And the MSM serves as the echo chamber for the reality inversion and lies, and lots of people in the West buy it. It's Orwellian. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

271 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:49:59pm
272 ec marm  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:50:06pm

re: #241 Killian Bundy

I pledge allegience . . . to my genitals!

/hundreds of thousands died for that flag


But... change!

273 bar  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:50:10pm

re: #240 ploome hineni

Yes, but he garnered all the super delegates support when he wiped his (deleted).

Nobody has ever witnessed such grace and poise while preforming such a mundane act, why if he can that, he could be President.

274 stevieray  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:50:26pm

re: #262 Geepers

Bloodnok (#246),

Blessed are the cheese-makers.

Cheese!

275 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:50:30pm
276 BabbaZee  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:50:49pm

re: #255 antiislamist

sorry I did not see your post further up before I signed up

my ha
was to song
because we both did the same exact thing
at the exact same time
relax
it has zero to do with whatever assumption is freaking you out

/off to occupy the bed like the zionist I am

277 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:50:59pm

re: #272 ec marm

re: #241 Killian Bundy

I pledge allegience . . . to my genitals!

/hundreds of thousands died for that flag


But... change!

If Obama is elected POTUS, we are going to look on the Bush years as the 'good old days'.

278 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:51:15pm
279 beachkatie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:51:22pm

re: #269 threecoloursblue

re: #266 Lucius Septimius

I think he means all those involved in the dairy industry. At least I hope he does.


HE means you don't want to be around when he cuts the cheese........

280 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:51:23pm

From a review of a Samantha Power biography of UN diplomat Sergio Vieira de Mello:

Power wants to extract lasting lessons for the international community's efforts to head off humanitarian catastrophes and mend failed states from his experience. Unfortunately, it's hard to discern through his improvisations any systematic approach to nation building or to such vexed issues as humanitarian military intervention and regime change. The lack of perspective isn't helped by the biographical format, as the peripatetic Vieira de Mello jets from one conflagration to the next, then on to a romantic getaway with a mistress or to give a murky speech on Kant. We get the impression that U.N. missions are inevitably a hopeless muddle unless Sergio, with his unique talents, parachutes in to fix things; the book may thus inadvertently encourage critics of the U.N.-style interventionism that Power supports.

So accurate reporting raises doubts about the ability of the UN to effectively intervene in humanitarian crises? No kidding.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

281 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:51:26pm
282 looking closely  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:51:55pm

Does this person Powers have any ACTUAL foreign policy experience?

Or is she some kind of lunatic wackademic who has never stepped foot outside the classroom?

283 Shug  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:52:03pm

re: #267 song_and_dance_man

re: #256 ggt


My kid just asked what "gay" also means.

I said, "happy".

"Oh yeah", kid replied.

I fear for our language.


Tell him the truth.


you could direct the kid to zombie's photo essay on the Folsom street fair.

/on second thought....

284 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:52:11pm

re: #275 song_and_dance_man

Absolultely!

Don't get me started on that subject.

285 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:52:29pm

re: #281 savage_nation

For the Children, you see.

I am against the children.

286 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:53:00pm
287 ec marm  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:53:15pm

re: #277 mama winger

If Obama is elected POTUS, we are going to look on the Bush years as the 'good old days'.


Believe it or not, I was telling some lefties almost exactly that over the weekend, and they were shaking their heads in agreement. Obama's support may be a mile wide, but it's a quarter inch deep.

288 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:53:27pm

re: #286 savage_nation

re: #285 mama winger

re: #281 savage_nation

For the Children, you see.

I am against the children.

meenie! haha

Also: Old people, baby kittens, and cheese makers.

289 anti-fada  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:53:30pm

Off Topic: Has anyone seen this news story?

"A former Pace University student who twice threw copies of the Quran into a toilet at the school after disputes with Muslims pleaded guilty Monday to disorderly conduct in connection with the incidents."

If you put a cross in a glass of piss its art, but a quran in a toilet might get you some time.

290 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:53:32pm

re: #270 Alas

Dershowitz had a good piece on the problem today -- Worshipers of Death

This part I found revealing, and depressing:

As more women and children are recruited by their mothers and their religious leaders to become suicide bombers, more women and children will be shot at -- some mistakenly. That too is part of the grand plan of our enemies. They want us to kill their civilians, who they also consider martyrs, because when we accidentally kill a civilian, they win in the court of public opinion. One Western diplomat called this the "harsh arithmetic of pain," whereby civilian casualties on both sides "play in their favor." Democracies lose, both politically and emotionally, when they kill civilians, even inadvertently. As Golda Meir once put it: "We can perhaps someday forgive you for killing our children, but we cannot forgive you for making us kill your children."

Samantha Powers thinks such people are morally superior to the Israelis. She is a fool, a knave, a scoundrel, all of the above.

291 threecoloursblue  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:53:53pm

re: #280 jaunte

Since he was killed in Baghdad, it's a moot point!

292 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:53:55pm

re: #174 zombie

Oops, the "minus" click on comment #169 was an accident.

/I thought it was pay back for last night's OS squabble

293 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:54:37pm

re: #272 ec marm

re: #241 Killian Bundy

I pledge allegience . . . to my genitals!

/hundreds of thousands died for that flag


But... change!

There are many people who are so consumed by their hatred of America, Christianity, and Western Civilization generally as to eagerly desire just such change.

294 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:54:49pm

re: #287 ec marm

Believe it or not, I was telling some lefties almost exactly that over the weekend, and they were shaking their heads in agreement.

Wow! Really?

Maybe if he is nominated, a severe case of buyer's remorse will settle in, and John McCain proceed to victory.

295 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:54:57pm

re: #282 looking closely

She was a journalist for US News & World Report, covered Bosnia-Srebenica 1993-1996, is now the 'executive director of Harvard's Carr Center for Human Rights.'

296 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:55:50pm

re: #291 threecoloursblue

re: #280 jaunte

Since he was killed in Baghdad, it's a moot point!

It's not all about Sergio.

297 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:56:13pm

re: #282 looking closely

Does this person Powers have any ACTUAL foreign policy experience?

Or is she some kind of lunatic wackademic who has never stepped foot outside the classroom?

If you read her commencement speech Mama (or somebody) linked to above, you'll see she does ... sort of ... but it's of the "advocacy and activism" variety.

298 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:56:31pm

re: #268 J.D.

re: #252 nyc redneck

Yes, they probably should, but they are punished on a daily basis, so ...

they compiled the book. they seem proud she's a 'martyr.'
doesn't seem right.

299 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:56:50pm

re: #277 mama winger,

If Obama wins, and choses to lose Iraq, he will have a hard time blaming the loss on Bush.

He'll have chosen to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

History will not look kindly on this.

300 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:57:11pm

re: #297 Lucius Septimius

'twasn't me. I'm not all that bright.

301 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:57:27pm

re: #298 nyc redneck

re: #268 J.D.

re: #252 nyc redneck

Yes, they probably should, but they are punished on a daily basis, so ...

they compiled the book. they seem proud she's a 'martyr.'
doesn't seem right.

Maybe they will grow up some day?

302 Palandine  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:57:32pm

re: #277 mama winger

If Obama is elected POTUS, we are going to look on the Bush Carter years as the 'good old days'.

Changed to reflect my view. Inflation, shortages of food and fuel, projection of weakness and fecklessness abroad, but with the added bonus of a nuclear Iran, a resurgent Russia and China, and a pampered American populace who spent themselves into crushing debt with a hefty minority who subscribe to the credo of Lefty Just Wants Free Stuff.

Full of happy thoughts on a snowy night...

303 sngnsgt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:57:33pm

Obama promises to dedicate presidency to homosexual activism

Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama has promised to use the presidency as a “bully pulpit” for homosexual activism, according to an open letter released on his campaign website.

[Link: www.catholicnewsagency.com...]

304 guitardalek  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:57:49pm

re: #285 mama winger

re: #281 savage_nation


For the Children, you see.

I am against the children.

I was accosted by some idiot teenagers the other day on my way out of a gun store, who wanted me to help save the planet from the Discovery Channel. I told them no, I won't help save the planet: I hate the planet.

305 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:58:09pm

re: #299 Iron Fist

He'll have chosen to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I believe with all my heart that the Democrats would rather do just that, than to win this war.

306 beachkatie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:58:14pm

target="_blank">#294 mama winger

re: #294 mama winger

Mama winger knows how to get the job done!:)

307 ec marm  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:58:15pm

re: #294 mama winger

Wow! Really?

Maybe if he is nominated, a severe case of buyer's remorse will settle in, and John McCain proceed to victory.


I've been listening to them bash Bush for six years but they don't like either Hillary or Obama. I'm going to research Ralph Nader and come up with some points why they should vote for him before the next time I see them. I'm sure I can find a couple. That Corvair was bad, right?

308 solomonpanting  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:58:20pm

re: #295 jaunte

A journalist and a professor.
Mama, don't let your children grow up to be journalists.

309 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:58:49pm

Vaclav Klaus/'08

310 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:58:53pm

re: #304 guitardalek

I won't help save the planet: I hate the planet.

Me too! And all the children that live on the planet!

311 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:58:58pm

re: #294 mama winger

re: #287 ec marm

Believe it or not, I was telling some lefties almost exactly that over the weekend, and they were shaking their heads in agreement.

Wow! Really?

Maybe if he is nominated, a severe case of buyer's remorse will settle in, and John McCain proceed to victory.

Keep in mind that the nomination process is driven by the committed base. Obama's popularity really rests on a very small, albeit vocal, slice of the general electorate. That is great in the primaries, but strong primary finishes do not necessarily mean victory in the general election -- far from it. Plus there are more people out there who hate Hillary than who hate McCain, and I wouldn't be surprised to see many of her supporters go over to McCain. No, really. I'm serious.

312 neocon hippie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:59:24pm

re: #15 Merovign

What the astonishingly rude word beginning with the sixth letter of the alphabet is wrong with these people?

Is Obama a verifiable loony-magnet? Is Barack Obama the new Ron Paul?

A kinder, gentler Ron Paul. Remember how much discussion there was in the fall about The Only Man Who Can Save America? And how some were disturbed by not only the man himself but his supporters and their incipient fascistoid currents? Well, Ron dropped off the scene, and now we have same currents in a much more massive form. Scary...

313 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:59:45pm

re: #309 DesertSage

Vaclav Klaus/'08

I saw him on Glenn Beck earlier. Wonderful. Did you see those guys from the Global Warming conference in New York City? How cool were they!

314 hazzyday  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:00:10pm

I just think Emporer Obama is in for a helluva ride here. Those new clothes aren't going to look so pretty soon.

315 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:00:52pm

re: #311 Lucius Septimius

Plus there are more people out there who hate Hillary than who hate McCain, and I wouldn't be surprised to see many of her supporters go over to McCain. No, really. I'm serious.

I think you're right. Some of my co-workers fall into that camp.

316 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:00:56pm

re: #305 mama winger

re: #299 Iron Fist

He'll have chosen to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I believe with all my heart that the Democrats would rather do just that, than to win this war.

Don't forget, the war is "unwinable." Dems keep changing the rules so that "victory" is impossible.

Gotta wonder about a party whose entire raison d'etre is the fetish for failure.

317 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:01:12pm

re: #308 solomonpanting

Word people (those who speak well, or write well) often have an exaggerated sense of how effective they can be in employing words alone to effect the changes they desire in the world. I think most journalists, professors, academics, and lawyers/politicians fall into this group.

318 Geepers  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:01:29pm

stevieray (#274),

I haven't had pimento spread in ages.

Now you made me hungry.

319 zombie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:01:44pm

re: #292 Killian Bundy

re: #174 zombie

Oops, the "minus" click on comment #169 was an accident.

/I thought it was pay back for last night's OS squabble

No, a sheer boo-boo!

The end result was a +5 for you anyway -- reverse psychology!

320 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:01:54pm

re: #305 mama winger,

I agree. That is their goal. They have said it so many times.

Another reason to vote McCaine. He wants to win the war, whatever his other shortcommings.

321 neocon hippie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:01:57pm

re: #202 Pawn of the Oppressor

She looks exactly like the kind of squinty-eyed, carefully coiffured, boomeresque know-it-all "academic" that I wouldn't want anywhere near the White House; the kind of person who holds titles containing words like "Studies" and "Global" and "Justice", who isn't even slightly endangered by the real-world results of their ideas.

I hear Sderot is nice this time of year.

Way too young to be a boomer. She was born in 1970, GenX all the way.

322 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:02:03pm

re: #316 Lucius Septimius

Oooh! Inspiration!

The Dems focus on failure and promise a magical cure to the nation's ills.

Political Cialis!

...

Dishes call.

323 latingent  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:02:12pm

Who ever said Obama was an empty suit? Here is a guy with some real ideas and a hand picked staff to carry them out. And dont think for a second `Mr.Lets Talk to our Enemies` wont throw Israel under the first bus that drives by to appease the moron.org crowd. Thats when the real war starts.

324 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:02:19pm
325 Thanos  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:02:20pm

re: #1 savage_nation

What do you expect from our next Bolshevik President?

Indeed, if he gets the nomination I suspect "The International" will be sung at some of the celebrations.

326 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:02:28pm
327 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:02:39pm

re: #316 Lucius Septimius

Gotta wonder about a party whose entire raison d'etre is the fetish for failure.


This is true...

328 Alas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:02:51pm

re: #290 Lucius Septimius

re: #270 Alas

Dershowitz had a good piece on the problem today -- Worshipers of Death

This part I found revealing, and depressing:

As more women and children are recruited by their mothers and their religious leaders to become suicide bombers, more women and children will be shot at -- some mistakenly. That too is part of the grand plan of our enemies. They want us to kill their civilians, who they also consider martyrs, because when we accidentally kill a civilian, they win in the court of public opinion. One Western diplomat called this the "harsh arithmetic of pain," whereby civilian casualties on both sides "play in their favor." Democracies lose, both politically and emotionally, when they kill civilians, even inadvertently. As Golda Meir once put it: "We can perhaps someday forgive you for killing our children, but we cannot forgive you for making us kill your children."

Samantha Powers thinks such people are morally superior to the Israelis. She is a fool, a knave, a scoundrel, all of the above.

There's the famous Golda Meir quote: "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

Since then it seems the Arabs have come to love their children even less and hate Israel (and the West as a whole) even more.

It's only when the whole PC/multiculti coddling of barbaric cultures ends, and the West is confident that it *is* superior to most of the rest of the cess-pool world, that Arabs and the Muslim world will stop blowing themselves up, whining and manipulating. They'll at least have to retreat and console themselves that they are in Hudna mode. Maybe they'll finally realize that if they don't change, they'll remain near the bottom of the world's societies economically, socially, etc. But so long as the West wavers and doubts itself, the sharks of jihad smelling blood will continue to come at us in waves and waves.

329 antiislamist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:03:37pm
330 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:03:44pm

re: #303 sngnsgt

Obama promises to dedicate presidency to homosexual activism


Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama has promised to use the presidency as a “bully pulpit” for homosexual activism, according to an open letter released on his campaign website.
[Link: www.catholicnewsagency.com...]


from the link:

In the February 28 letter posted under the “LGBT” section of the “People” heading, Senator Obama said he would press for the passage of hate crime laws

Great. Now we can set about the serious business of prosecuting people of faith for the crime of disagreeing with the homosexual agenda. It's about time.

/

331 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:04:01pm

OT
Hi, lizards. If any of you are praying types please include my MIL. She stopped breathing today during a drug induced stress test and was a full five minutes without oxygen. She is stable and can open her eyes but cannot move her fingers. One of her daughters came in with the ambulance but they won't let any of the rest of us in the hospital as they are so overcrowded.

332 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:04:14pm

An off-topic cry for assistance from any guitar-inclined folks here. (Hep me, Charles! Hep me!)

Like just about every American dude, as a teenager I picked up and played a little guitar, and enjoyed the heck out of it, but only ever learned the instrument song by song. Now, as an -- ahem -- non-teenager, I'm interested in going back and learning it properly. Fingerstyle appeals to me in particular, and I'd like to learn the theory behind the music (although why it's still a 'theory' is mysterious to me).

So: Can anyone point me toward a good resource for this sort of thing? Online would be great, but books and tapes etc are all dandy.

(To put everyone in the mood, here's a deceptively elegant bit of right-hand work from someone you might not expect.

Thanks!

- C

333 guitardalek  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:04:18pm

re: #316 Lucius Septimius

Don't forget, the war is "unwinable." Dems keep changing the rules so that "victory" is impossible.

Gotta wonder about a party whose entire raison d'etre is the fetish for failure.

Yeah, pretty soon "victory" will encompass each Iraqi having three cars, a Miami winter home, and the ability to cook food with mind power.

334 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:04:20pm

re: #318 Geepers

stevieray (#274),

I haven't had pimento spread in ages.

Now you made me hungry.

wow. pimento spread and bacon on whole wheat toast.

335 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:04:21pm
336 mikeinmd  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:04:47pm

Change Ladies' Night from Thursday to Tuesday. 20% of BHOtox's vote goes "poof".

337 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:04:57pm
338 Palandine  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:05:03pm

I swear if I ever hear about global warming again, I'l whip out the Infidel AR-15. It's March, and we're looking at 6-10 inches of snow in St. Louis tomorrow.

/It was 73 degrees yesterday

339 stevieray  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:05:16pm

re: #311 Lucius Septimius

re: #294 mama winger

re: #287 ec marm

Believe it or not, I was telling some lefties almost exactly that over the weekend, and they were shaking their heads in agreement.

Wow! Really?

Maybe if he is nominated, a severe case of buyer's remorse will settle in, and John McCain proceed to victory.

Keep in mind that the nomination process is driven by the committed base. Obama's popularity really rests on a very small, albeit vocal, slice of the general electorate. That is great in the primaries, but strong primary finishes do not necessarily mean victory in the general election -- far from it. Plus there are more people out there who hate Hillary than who hate McCain, and I wouldn't be surprised to see many of her supporters go over to McCain. No, really. I'm serious.

I've noticed it too. Some friends of mine, life-long democrats of the blue-collar sane variety, were telling me this past weekend that they will be voting for McCain... they don't like Hillary and they don't trust Barack. There's gonna be alot of that going on.

340 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:05:16pm

re: #295 jaunte

re: #282 looking closely

She was a journalist for US News & World Report, covered Bosnia-Srebenica 1993-1996, is now the 'executive director of Harvard's Carr Center for Human Rights.'

/hey Ploome, maybe they know something about those feet they found in Ottawa (#390, last thread)

341 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:05:27pm
342 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:05:51pm

re: #333 guitardalek

re: #316 Lucius Septimius

Don't forget, the war is "unwinable." Dems keep changing the rules so that "victory" is impossible.

Gotta wonder about a party whose entire raison d'etre is the fetish for failure.

Yeah, pretty soon "victory" will encompass each Iraqi having three cars, a Miami winter home, and the ability to cook food with mind power.

Miami? We will not have victory until they all live in Boca Raton!

343 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:06:04pm

re: #316 Lucius Septimius,

They want America to be punished for being great. Losing a war is. in their eyes, sufficient punishment. Especially if it gets us hit here at home again.

344 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:06:08pm

re: #331 Pvt Bin Jammin

OT
Hi, lizards. If any of you are praying types please include my MIL. She stopped breathing today during a drug induced stress test and was a full five minutes without oxygen. She is stable and can open her eyes but cannot move her fingers. One of her daughters came in with the ambulance but they won't let any of the rest of us in the hospital as they are so overcrowded.

Oh my goodness. Will add her to my prayer list tonight. Please keep us posted, OK? And try to get some rest.

345 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:06:08pm

re: #313 mama winger

re: #309 DesertSage

Vaclav Klaus/'08

I saw him on Glenn Beck earlier. Wonderful. Did you see those guys from the Global Warming conference in New York City? How cool were they!

I saw it. Glen Beck is all over this Global Warming scam. The truth will be revealed! Vaclav Klaus is great.
Why is the earth getting warmer? They have electronic devices measuring the temperature don't they? Wait, I think I found the problem. They put the damn measuring device in the middle of the parking lot!

346 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:06:23pm

re: #341 song_and_dance_man

re: #332 Cognito

Tell the truth you heard me call!

Hm?

347 swamprat  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:06:47pm

re: #196 BabbaZee

re: #192 song_and_dance_man

{song}

.....Eddie CANTOR ....from a family of traditional Jewish cantors....As related by the cartoon "owl jolson"...and later played by "cartman" of southpark fame, right after the alien anal probe ....true facts!

348 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:06:51pm

re: #343 Iron Fist

They want America to be punished for being great. Losing a war is. in their eyes, sufficient punishment.

YES YES YES

10 dings up

349 ec marm  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:07:06pm

Girls Gone Wild! Photo Ops Gone Bad!

350 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:07:17pm

re: #331 Pvt Bin Jammin

{pvt bin jammin} so sorry.

351 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:07:17pm

re: #330 mama winger

Heather Has Two Mommies

Daddy's Roommate

/coming soon to a preschool near you, if it isn't there already

352 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:07:26pm

re: #333 guitardalek

...the ability to cook food with mind power.


No no no!
That's bound to cause cancer...just like microwaving.
/giving away my age?

353 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:07:41pm

re: #346 Cognito

re: #341 song_and_dance_man

re: #332 Cognito

Tell the truth you heard me call!

Hm?

Oh, I see it.

Sorry, no, I missed the Bat Signal.

354 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:07:43pm

re: #345 DesertSage

They have electronic devices measuring the temperature don't they? Wait, I think I found the problem. They put the damn measuring device in the middle of the parking lot!

That was so cool LOL!

355 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:07:46pm

re: #331 Pvt Bin Jammin

Do you need anything? I'm right up the road.

356 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:08:16pm

re: #344 mama winger
{mama winger} Thank you.

357 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:08:36pm

re: #351 Killian Bundy

re: #330 mama winger

Heather Has Two Mommies

Daddy's Roommate

/coming soon to a preschool near you, if it isn't there already

And pretty soon, coming to our church pulpits...... under penalty of the law.

358 stevieray  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:08:46pm

re: #318 Geepers

re: #334 nyc redneck

You folks are weird...
:D

359 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:09:02pm
360 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:09:04pm

re: #356 Pvt Bin Jammin

We're family here. You MIL too. :)

361 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:09:24pm

re: #351 Killian Bundy

re: #330 mama winger

Heather Has Two Mommies

Daddy's Roommate

/coming soon to a preschool near you, if it isn't there already

Excerpt says a lot ... Probably a bonus book in the Nambla kids' book club.

362 Geepers  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:09:54pm

nyc redneck (#334),

Stop that.

363 beachkatie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:09:54pm

re: #313 mama winger

re: #309 DesertSage


Vaclav Klaus/'08

I saw him on Glenn Beck earlier. Wonderful. Did you see those guys from the Global Warming conference in New York City? How cool were they!

re: #331 Pvt Bin Jammin
Special pray request for her tonight..Willdo!

364 Thanos  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:10:06pm

re: #332 Cognito

[Link: www.musictheory.net...]

You could also read Hucbald's site for the really passionate theories about music theory

[Link: hucbald.blogspot.com...]

365 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:10:27pm

re: #358 stevieray

re: #318 Geepers

re: #334 nyc redneck

You folks are weird...
:D

i'm gonna make you a 'samwich' you cain't refuse. :)

366 antiislamist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:10:34pm
367 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:10:44pm

re: #324 savage_nation

re: #310 mama winger


re: #304 guitardalek

I won't help save the planet: I hate the planet.

Me too! And all the children that live on the planet!

My God, look what I started!

And the whales. Nuke the gay whales.

368 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:11:20pm

It's an Obamanation!

369 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:11:26pm

re: #367 Jim in Virginia

re: #324 savage_nation

re: #310 mama winger


re: #304 guitardalek


I won't help save the planet: I hate the planet.


Me too! And all the children that live on the planet!


My God, look what I started!

And the whales. Nuke the gay whales.

Don't forget the baby seals.

370 mama winger  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:11:41pm

I'll be saying goodnight now - LW needs the computer ....

see ya's later

371 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:11:44pm

re: #368 DesertSage

It's an Obamanation!

Let's hope not.

372 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:12:05pm
373 Palandine  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:12:06pm

re: #351 Killian Bundy

re: #330 mama winger

Heather Has Two Mommies

Daddy's Roommate

/coming soon to a preschool near you, if it isn't there already

Achmed Has Four Wives and Two Beautiful Camels
//I keeeeeeel you!

374 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:12:23pm

re: #364 Thanos

Hey, excellent, Thanos.

Got anything in your bag that's guitar-specific? I've always been amazed by guys who can build chords from whatever handful of notes is handy -- a root, a fifth, a seventh, etc.

A total mystery to me.

375 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:12:30pm

re: #348 mama winger,

We have to recognize the evil in our enemies, before we'll Reilly be willing to fight them the way that is necessary.

I think we will win. We are the most vicious. But we've got to decide to fight, and we ain't done that yet.

376 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:12:38pm

re: #52 Kenneth

From Power's confident & mentor, Michael Ignatieff,

More relevant now are Ignatieff's policy conclusions. "Neither side is capable of making peace," he determined, "or even sitting in the same room to discuss it." The United States should therefore move "to impose a two-state solution now."

The time for endless negotiation between the parties is past: it is time to say that all but those settlements right on the 1967 green line must go; that the right of return is incompatible with peace and security in the region and the right must be extinguished with a cash settlement; that the UN, with funding from Europe, will establish a transitional administration to help the Palestinian state back on its feet and then prepare the ground for new elections before exiting; and, most of all, the US must then commit its own troops, and those of willing allies, not to police a ceasefire, but to enforce the solution that provides security for both populations.

Just how crazy are these people? The Palis hate America and have a multitude of factional terrorist organizations. Sending US troops to force a "two state solution" on them would make Iraq look like a picnic. Not only that, the US is supposed to force Israel to go along with it. And if the Syrians or Hezbollah or Egypt get drawn into the fighting, who is supposed to deal with them? Will the US expect Israel to stand down while US troops defend Israel from the Arab armies? Seriously?

And these are the people Obama turns to for advice?

And look where Ignatieff is now: deputy leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, and heir apparent to the feckless Stephane Dion. Yet another reason why the Criminal Liberal Party of Canada must never be allowed to win another election.

377 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:12:54pm

re: #373 Palandine

re: #351 Killian Bundy

re: #330 mama winger

Heather Has Two Mommies

Daddy's Roommate

/coming soon to a preschool near you, if it isn't there already

Achmed Has Four Wives and Two Beautiful Camels
//I keeeeeeel you!

Lefty Just Wants Free Stuff!

378 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:13:01pm

re: #350 nyc redneck

re: #355 DesertSage
Thank you both.

Sage, I appreciate the offer but even our hands are tied, so we are just praying. She's in the hospital in Lancaster but they won't let us in. I'm just thankful that hubby's sister went in with the ambulance.

379 beachkatie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:13:02pm

re: #349 ec marm
I remember those pictures! Kidding.....:)

380 Uncle Joe  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:13:20pm

There's a guy who posts here who keeps insisting that Obama's representatives have reassured his synagogue that Obama is A-OK with Jews. I'm exaggerating for effect but that's sounding increasingly like the Germans reassuring the Warsaw ghetto that they have no intention of "resettling" the community to Treblinka. Personally, my bullshit detector is ringing out loud.

Another thing that comes to mind after reading the link: The sinister political and economic effects of credentializing and legitimizing every sick, crackpot liberal agenda via academia. Advanced degrees - specifically Masters and PhD degrees - are used to add legitimacy to all kinds of crackpots and their accompanying crackpot philosophies.

Also, our society uses advanced degrees as a gateway into politics and business and it doesn't seem to occur to anyone how dangerous and destructive it is to our society to have academia - hard left, America hating academia - not only warping the curriculum to their own ends but warping the end product right at the front end via who they admit to their programs and who they reward with grades and grant money once students are inside their programs. Academia is taking the US further and further away from a meritocracy and closer to a liberal-state approved oligarchy. And Samantha Power is one of the soft-dressed, pleasant, mild-looking representatives of that building and influential oligarchy.

It's almost like, oh...liberal facism. Hey, somebody should write a book. ;-)

381 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:13:26pm

re: #369 J.D.

re: #367 Jim in Virginia

re: #324 savage_nation

re: #310 mama winger


re: #304 guitardalek


I won't help save the planet: I hate the planet.


Me too! And all the children that live on the planet!


My God, look what I started!

And the whales. Nuke the gay whales.

Don't forget the baby seals.

NAWBSLA (North American Whale Baby Seal Love Association)

382 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:13:42pm

'Evenin, Lizards.

Well, I spent the last hour in front of the mirror practicing looking like a liberal Demoncrat. Just couldn't seem to pull it off. It takes a lot of work to appear pissed off at the world for an extended period of time. Oh well, I'll give it another shot in the morning. I'll chew on a bunch of lemons before I hit the sack, tonight. Gotta be ready to cross party lines, hold my nose and cast my "Limbaugh ballot" for the Hillster here in Ohio. ;)

383 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:13:49pm

re: #367 Jim in Virginia,

For Jesus. Nuke the gay whales for Jesus.

384 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:13:55pm
385 Opilio  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:14:01pm

Hey Zombie!

A sentence from one of the German pages that you mentioned in the last thread were linking to zombietime:

Seit September 2007 belagert die feministische Pazifisten-Gruppe Code Pink ein Rekrutierungsbüro der Marines in Berkeley

when translated through Babelfish, yields:

Since September 2007 the toolistic Pazifisten group code Pink besieges a recruiting office that marine in Berkeley.

A perfect translation!

386 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:14:11pm
387 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:14:17pm

PVT Bin Jammin: Prayers are offered.

Night all.

388 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:14:49pm

I am positive the real Obamanable does NOT share this sentiment.

/PSA nostalgia

389 beachkatie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:14:51pm

re: #370 mama winger
Good night mama Winger! :)

390 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:14:52pm

re: #384 savage_nation

re: #368 DesertSage

It's an Obamanation!

Lefty just wants free stuff!

Indeed!

391 Thanos  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:14:58pm

re: #374 Cognito

re: #364 Thanos

Hey, excellent, Thanos.

Got anything in your bag that's guitar-specific? I've always been amazed by guys who can build chords from whatever handful of notes is handy -- a root, a fifth, a seventh, etc.

A total mystery to me.

Sorry to say I don't, but real guitar players do not recommend guitar hero as a start.
What I know about music I garnered from reading a short text on the subject.

392 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:15:05pm
393 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:15:19pm
394 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:15:24pm

Obama's cadre of super elite intellectuals wouldn't be caught dead hanging around the low grade dupes they are counting on for votes.

395 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:15:36pm

re: #378 Pvt Bin Jammin

If you need a ride to Lancaster just let me know.

396 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:15:59pm

re: #393 savage_nation

re: #390 DesertSage

re: #384 savage_nation

re: #368 DesertSage

It's an Obamanation!

Lefty just wants free stuff!

Indeed!

Ron Paul!

Yes We Can!

397 sparrowlake  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:16:38pm

re: #310 mama winger

re: #304 guitardalek


I won't help save the planet: I hate the planet.

Me too! And all the children that live on the planet!

This planet is a ripoff and it's not even round, for cryin' out loud.

398 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:17:05pm

re: #381 Lucius Septimius

NAWBSLA (North American Whale Baby Seal Love Association)


Well...it beats the alternative...

399 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:17:10pm

Watching Sunset Boulevard. Damn Gloria Swanson was beautiful.

400 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:17:15pm

Big planet is ripping us off!

401 Shug  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:17:43pm

Planet Hollywood is out of touch with regular Americans

402 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:17:45pm

re: #391 Thanos

Ha -- no Guitar Hero for me. I'm not that far gone... I can still play a bit, and enjoy it, but it's all just mimicry. I'd like to feel a little more authority with it. I'd like to know what the heck I'm up to, basically.

403 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:17:45pm

re: #399 ggt

Watching Sunset Boulevard. Damn Gloria Swanson was beautiful.

Joe K. Sr. thought so!

404 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:17:52pm

re: #397 sparrowlake,

Big Planet is ripping us off!

405 antiislamist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:17:59pm

re: #385 Opilio

feministische Pazifisten-Gruppe

code pink is pacifist ? from when ?

406 Palandine  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:18:04pm

re: #361 Lucius Septimius

re: #351 Killian Bundy


re: #330 mama winger

Heather Has Two Mommies

Daddy's Roommate

/coming soon to a preschool near you, if it isn't there already


Excerpt says a lot ... Probably a bonus book in the Nambla kids' book club.

After Mommy and Daddy got a divorce, Daddy started working out and wearing cheesy striped wife-beater t-shirts. :)

//Daddy was way more stylish when he was so deep in the closet that he was finding Christmas presents.

407 Alas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:18:35pm

Israel is the canary in the coal mine. If Israel goes, so will the rest of the West.

408 snowcrash  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:18:37pm

re: #331 Pvt Bin Jammin
Prayers will be said for your mother-in-law and you and your family during our special intention prayers tonight.

409 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:18:38pm

re: #383 Iron Fist

re: #367 Jim in Virginia,

For Jesus. Nuke the gay whales for Jesus.

We must eliminate whirled peas.

(Yeah, I know they're old and dusty.)

410 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:18:46pm
411 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:18:48pm

re: #400 DesertSage

Big planet is ripping us off!

Hey Sage, I've seen variations on this theme for a while now. A running gag, I guess. What's it about? Who was the original ripper offer?

412 rwmofo  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:18:54pm

So I checked my mail when I got home and there was a "Vote then Caucus for Barack Obama" flyer in my mailbox (I'm in TX).

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Wha... what's going on? Oh, sorry. It made me faint. I'm back.

413 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:19:04pm

re: #400 DesertSage,

Jinx

414 1SG(ret)  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:19:10pm

re: #382 Cartman

'Evenin, Lizards.

Well, I spent the last hour in front of the mirror practicing looking like a liberal Demoncrat. Just couldn't seem to pull it off. It takes a lot of work to appear pissed off at the world for an extended period of time. Oh well, I'll give it another shot in the morning. I'll chew on a bunch of lemons before I hit the sack, tonight. Gotta be ready to cross party lines, hold my nose and cast my "Limbaugh ballot" for the Hillster here in Ohio. ;)

May the force go with you brother. Not sure I could do it.
Top

415 beachkatie  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:19:27pm

re: #382 Cartman
Good luck to ya , ifeel sorry for you ! You are a brave soul....:)
I,m in N.C. HOPE it doesn't come to that here..I will gag!

416 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:19:32pm

re: #411 Cognito

re: #400 DesertSage

Big planet is ripping us off!

Hey Sage, I've seen variations on this theme for a while now. A running gag, I guess. What's it about? Who was the original ripper offer?


Peacekeeper?

417 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:20:03pm
418 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:20:19pm
419 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:21:21pm
420 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:21:40pm

re: #395 DesertSage
Thanks. I'm really a lame freeway driver but I think I can make it to Lancaster when and if they let visitors in.

421 antiislamist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:21:46pm

re: #417 Killian Bundy

is she imported from Iran ?

remember words of atolhya... make sex with animals, and then sell them in nearby cities..

422 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:21:47pm

re: #394 Mich-again

Obama's cadre of super elite intellectuals wouldn't be caught dead hanging around the low grade dupes they are counting on for votes.

The garlic-breathed hoi-polloi:
"As a garlic-breathed airport security guard gave me a particularly intrusive pat-down at Kennedy Airport..."
[Link: www.thenation.com...]

423 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:21:52pm

re: #378 Pvt Bin Jammin

it's so difficult and sad when they start getting older and having health problems. my husband is going thru this w/ his father now. i hope your mil pulls thru and things get better in your family.

424 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:21:53pm

re: #411 Cognito

re: #400 DesertSage

Big planet is ripping us off!

Hey Sage, I've seen variations on this theme for a while now. A running gag, I guess. What's it about? Who was the original ripper offer?

It's something that the Lefties like to say.
i.e., Big oil is ripping us off and Big tobacco is ripping us off.

I think it's an anti-corporate thing.

425 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:22:12pm

re: #414 1SG(ret)

May the force go with you brother. Not sure I could do it.
Top

Thanks, Top. I plan on wearing my Kevlar longjohns to the polls.

426 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:22:12pm

re: #409 Jim in Virginia,

Whirrled pease are over rated. Some people think they'll change the world, but they are wrong.

427 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:23:12pm

re: #424 DesertSage

Big Lefty is coveting our stuff.

428 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:23:12pm
429 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:23:16pm

re: #408 snowcrash
Thank you so much.

430 Geepers  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:23:20pm

J.D. (#416),

Peacekeeper?

Yes, Peacekeeper made it into a gag, but it was American Infidel's insistence that "big oil is ripping us off" that started the ball rolling.

431 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:23:26pm
432 Palandine  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:23:27pm

re: #382 Cartman

Repeat after me:

There is no terrorist threat.
Bush Lied, Millions Died.
Free health care is a human right.
The second amendment (your choice) 1) is about hunting 2) doesn't apply to individuals.
Free Darfur!
Free Tibet!
War is not the answer
//pay no attention to any cognitive dissonance you may feel. It will pass

433 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:23:47pm

re: #418 savage_nation,

Eeexcellent....

434 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:23:58pm

re: #420 Pvt Bin Jammin

If you go, take Angeles Crest, it's easier and a whole lot less traffic.

435 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:24:31pm

re: #427 jaunte

re: #424 DesertSage

Big Lefty is coveting our stuff.

Indeed!

436 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:24:33pm

re: #418 savage_nation

re: #409 Jim in Virginia


re: #383 Iron Fist

re: #367 Jim in Virginia,

For Jesus. Nuke the gay whales for Jesus.


We must eliminate whirled peas.

(Yeah, I know they're old and dusty.)


I saw this bumper sticker today and I am NOT KIDDING...

It said "Keep Portland WEIRD" and it was stuck on the back of the car upside down.


Damn Oregon hippies ripping off Texas. "Keep Austin weird" has been around for 20 years. They should have patented it but, you know, that's sooo capitalistic.

437 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:24:43pm

re: #430 Geepers

J.D. (#416),

Peacekeeper?

Yes, Peacekeeper made it into a gag, but it was American Infidel's insistence that "big oil is ripping us off" that started the ball rolling.

Oh, dear...

How could I have forgotten AI?

438 yitzy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:25:01pm

There's an old joke where David Ben Gurion and Gold Meir were sitting in the Israeli Knesset. Ben Gurion says "Israel should attack the U.S., then they'll defeat us and after the U.S. rebuilds Israel we'll be a modern country!" Golda Meir looks at him sternly and asks "Yes, but what if we should win?"

This article and the LGF article about Obamatron's likely foreign policy advisor put a very dark spin on this joke. And, quite frankly, they scare the hell out of me.

439 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:25:06pm

re: #413 Iron Fist

re: #400 DesertSage,

Jinx

Buy me a Coke?

440 Thanos  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:25:06pm

re: #402 Cognito

re: #391 Thanos

Ha -- no Guitar Hero for me. I'm not that far gone... I can still play a bit, and enjoy it, but it's all just mimicry. I'd like to feel a little more authority with it. I'd like to know what the heck I'm up to, basically.

[Link: www.musictheory.net...]

441 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:25:44pm

re: #431 song_and_dance_man,

You kill baby seals because. You nuke the gay whales for jesus.

That is very important.

:-P

442 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:26:12pm
443 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:26:17pm

"A dozen press agents working overtime can do horrible things to the human spirit."

Demille in Sunset Boulevard.

Don't we know it.

444 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:26:22pm

re: #434 DesertSage
That might be a good idea.

445 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:26:24pm

re: #441 Iron Fist

re: #431 song_and_dance_man,

You kill baby seals because. You nuke the gay whales for jesus.

That is very important.

:-P

[Demonic cackling]

446 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:27:30pm

re: #440 Thanos

Well there you go -- thanks, Thanos.

447 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:27:32pm

re: #437 J.D.
I proposed to AI one morning on the dead thread.

448 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:27:58pm

re: #430 Geepers

it was American Infidel's insistence that "big oil is ripping us off" that started the ball rolling.

There once was a really hilarious thread on that very subject. She completely painted herself into a corner.

/damned if I can even think where to start looking for it

449 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:28:01pm

re: #447 Jim in Virginia

re: #437 J.D.
I proposed to AI one morning on the dead thread.

Were you hung over or what?

450 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:28:07pm

re: #439 DesertSage,

Dude, if we are ever at the same meet up, I owe you a coke :-)

451 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:28:13pm

re: #447 Jim in Virginia

And .....?

452 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:28:16pm
453 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:28:45pm

re: #450 Iron Fist


Pesi, no coke.

454 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:28:45pm

re: #432 Palandine

re: #382 Cartman

Repeat after me:

There is no terrorist threat.
Bush Lied, Millions Died.
Free health care is a human right.
The second amendment (your choice) 1) is about hunting 2) doesn't apply to individuals.
Free Darfur!
Free Tibet!
War is not the answer
//pay no attention to any cognitive dissonance you may feel. It will pass

Thanks. I gave it a try. It hurt an awful lot, and I have a high threshold for pain, but I think you've pointed me in the right direction. ;)

455 guitardalek  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:28:46pm

re: #441 Iron Fist

re: #431 song_and_dance_man,

You kill baby seals because. You nuke the gay whales for jesus.

That is very important.

:-P

And you destroy the planet to save it from the Discovery channel.

456 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:28:57pm

re: #289 anti-fada

Off Topic: Has anyone seen this news story?

"A former Pace University student who twice threw copies of the Quran into a toilet at the school after disputes with Muslims pleaded guilty Monday to disorderly conduct in connection with the incidents."

If you put a cross in a glass of piss its art, but a quran in a toilet might get you some time.

Shug was kind enough to link it in the goat thread.

The guy is not getting "time" in prison, but 300 hours of community service, which is still bogus but better than the 4+ years in prison he was facing at first.

One distinction must be made, though: Those books were the property of the school and not of Mr. Shmulevich. The glass, cross, and urine were likely the property of the so-called "artist".

457 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:29:08pm
458 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:29:39pm
459 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:29:40pm

re: #423 nyc redneck
She is 82. She has terrible asthma. I am surprised they gave her a stress test.

460 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:30:08pm

re: #214 song_and_dance_man

re: #196 BabbaZee

I've never heard this before. I'm waiting for him to say mammy.

My Mammy - Al Jolson
Since when are we PC here?

461 CourDeLion[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:30:10pm
462 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:30:26pm

Hey m!
What about AI?

463 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:30:36pm

re: #449 J.D.
It seemed like the right thing to do at the time. She thought my wife would object.
It was during a lull in her let's- shoot- all- the- illegal- immigrants storm.

464 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:30:43pm

re: #459 Pvt Bin Jammin

re: #423 nyc redneck
She is 82. She has terrible asthma. I am surprised they gave her a stress test.

that's crazy. at her age? why?

465 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:30:43pm

don't get me started on Tibet.

Suffice it to say:

"Look what happens when a countrty disarms itself."

466 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:31:17pm
467 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:32:08pm

My Dad has a stress test periodically --he's 81. They have to test the heart somehow. So far, he's ticking fine.

468 Geepers  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:32:22pm

Killian Bundy (#448),

There once was a really hilarious thread on that very subject. She completely painted herself into a corner.

She did it over and over again.

Once even produced a Excel spreadsheet page she made to prove how the oil companies were in collusion.

469 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:33:11pm

re: #463 Jim in Virginia

re: #449 J.D.
It seemed like the right thing to do at the time. She thought my wife would object.
It was during a lull in her let's- shoot- all- the- illegal- immigrants storm.

Oh!
Well...that explains it.

470 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:33:19pm

re: #464 nyc redneck

re: #459 Pvt Bin Jammin


re: #423 nyc redneck
She is 82. She has terrible asthma. I am surprised they gave her a stress test.

that's crazy. at her age? why?


Indeed. It's just crazy. I also wonder why they didn't have oxygen right in the doctor's office.

471 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:33:20pm

AI was truly the proverbial fingernails scraping down the LGF chalkboard.

472 Alas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:33:52pm

What Obama and co. need...

473 Palandine  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:33:52pm

re: #465 ggt

don't get me started on Tibet.

Suffice it to say:

"Look what happens when a countrty disarms itself."

Buddhists don't tend to do so well against totalitarian states.
/It'll be interesting to see if any truth gets out during this summer's Beijing Olympics

474 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:34:08pm
475 Thanos  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:34:18pm

re: #471 Cartman

AI was truly the proverbial fingernails scraping down the LGF chalkboard.


Big Chalk is ripping us off.

476 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:34:25pm

re: #461 CourDeLion

That's a very interesting passage.

One thing does strike me as unusual, to me: The way Jesus pauses to say parenthetically, "let the reader understand," during a spoken conversation.

Is that the later rhetorical flourish of a scribe or translator, I wonder?

477 guitardalek  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:34:51pm

re: #465 ggt

"Look what happens when a countrty disarms itself."

Well I mean, that's one more reason the leftist agenda doesn't make any sense. Whether its tolitarians within or from the outside...

For all they complain about Bush "turning the U.S. into a police state" they sure are eager to give up their means of resisting said police state...

478 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:35:11pm

re: #474 savage_nation

re: #471 Cartman

AI was truly the proverbial fingernails scraping down the LGF chalkboard.

Watching her and 'm' get into scraps were just fun to watch. :D

Those were heady times!

479 Geepers  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:35:21pm

Cartman (#471),

There's a apt analogy.

480 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:36:17pm

re: #461 CourDeLion

Matthew 24 v4-8

Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ, and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.

But....but....I've seen the light!

481 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:36:40pm

re: #471 Cartman

AI was truly the proverbial fingernails scraping down the LGF chalkboard.

/almost ten people lost their LGF lives to make her go away

482 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:36:41pm

Howdy, Geeps! How are ya?

483 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:36:51pm

re: #477 guitardalek

re: #465 ggt

"Look what happens when a countrty disarms itself."

Well I mean, that's one more reason the leftist agenda doesn't make any sense. Whether its tolitarians within or from the outside...

For all they complain about Bush "turning the U.S. into a police state" they sure are eager to give up their means of resisting said police state...

See, the trouble here is that this requires not only the ability to think, but to think logically.

484 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:37:24pm

re: #476 Cognito

re: #461 CourDeLion

That's a very interesting passage.

One thing does strike me as unusual, to me: The way Jesus pauses to say parenthetically, "let the reader understand," during a spoken conversation.

Is that the later rhetorical flourish of a scribe or translator, I wonder?

Talking to myself now, maybe, but I see that in some other iterations that bit is translated as being outside the quote, which makes more sense than the way the NIV has it...

485 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:37:37pm

re: #481 Killian Bundy

re: #471 Cartman

AI was truly the proverbial fingernails scraping down the LGF chalkboard.

/almost ten people lost their LGF lives to make her go away

Ah, I remember it as if it were yesterday.

486 Geepers  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:38:12pm

Hey Cartman.

Doin' OK. How 'bout yourself?

487 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:38:17pm
488 coquimbojoe  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:38:24pm

I just can't get into this, it makes me so pissed off. I went to the pharmacy tonight and in front of me this aging moonbat was talking about how thick headed republicans thought Global Warming was just a conspiracy. I usually don't say anything but I turned to her and said there is no proof, ya got no facts. She chewed me out all the way to the parking lot, and got in her big yellow H2. Is there any hypocrisy there, or am I just being sensitive?

Discuss among yourselves.

BBL

489 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:38:40pm
490 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:39:02pm

re: #488 coquimbojoe

Don'tcha just love it?

491 coquimbojoe  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:39:13pm

re: #487 savage_nation

Hiya Savage! Where you at tonight?

492 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:39:46pm

re: #486 Geepers

Hey Cartman.

Doin' OK. How 'bout yourself?

Much better than I was a few months ago. Thanks for askin', my friend.

493 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:40:01pm
494 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:40:16pm
495 Palandine  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:40:17pm

re: #477 guitardalek

re: #465 ggt


"Look what happens when a countrty disarms itself."

Well I mean, that's one more reason the leftist agenda doesn't make any sense. Whether its tolitarians within or from the outside...

For all they complain about Bush "turning the U.S. into a police state" they sure are eager to give up their means of resisting said police state...

I know a fair number of liberals in my area who are ardent 2nd Amendment enthusiasts. For example,
this thread (Zombie Squad: Firearms Hot or Not) on one of my favorite sites features the collections of people I know to be Democrats. Vive la difference. Believing in the 2nd Amendment means someone is halfway there.

/Thread will make you want to buy a lot of guns
//It's happened to me.

496 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:40:22pm
497 cookielady  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:40:35pm

re: #418 savage_nation

It said "Keep Portland WEIRD" and it was stuck on the back of the car upside down.

Well, I saw today, plastered across the entire tailgate of a big red pickup, in huge white letters, the following:

No intelligent, sane, reasonable person who wants the truth can vote for Hillary

The truck was from Illinois, a blue state that gave us Chicago-style politics and the Obamanation himself.

It made me feel that there could be intelligent life in our neighboring state.

498 Hucbald  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:40:39pm

#364 Thanos

Dude! I was wondering why hits were coming from this thread. LOL!

499 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:41:21pm

re: #488 coquimbojoe

I've got one at work that drives a BMW M5, and believes Al Gore is one of the smartest men on earth.

500 CourDeLion[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:41:25pm
501 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:41:47pm

re: #498 Hucbald

#364 Thanos

Dude! I was wondering why hits were coming from this thread. LOL!

Ha

502 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:42:10pm

re: #359 savage_nation

re: #345 DesertSage

re: #313 mama winger

re: #309 DesertSage

Vaclav Klaus/'08

I saw him on Glenn Beck earlier. Wonderful. Did you see those guys from the Global Warming conference in New York City? How cool were they!

I saw it. Glen Beck is all over this Global Warming scam. The truth will be revealed! Vaclav Klaus is great.
Why is the earth getting warmer? They have electronic devices measuring the temperature don't they? Wait, I think I found the problem. They put the damn measuring device in the middle of the parking lot!

Someone said they also put some of those measuring devices at the end of the runways of international airports where the jets swing around for takeoff preparation.

All that nice hot jet exhaust blowing right at the sensors. :D

Savage, if you want to follow up on that thought, check out this site, which is basically dedicated to fact-checking the whole AGW movement, and the NASA-GISS temperature recording network in particular.

Getting around the country as you do, you might well able to snag photos of sites that have not as yet been audited, were you so inclined.

503 guitardalek  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:42:15pm

re: #488 coquimbojoe

Well I'm sure she bought carbon credits to offset the climate destruction her behemoth is surely wreaking. Because, you know, the bad things you do don't count if you buy credit for them.

504 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:42:18pm

re: #493 ggt

Not all has been Shangri-la.

OK, but there's always Shambala.

505 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:42:19pm
506 Geepers  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:42:21pm

Cartman (#492),

Very glad to hear that my friend.

507 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:42:51pm

re: #477 guitardalek

I have a hard time really getting angry at China for invading Tibet. China is as China does. I get really really angry at Tibet for letting them.

508 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:43:16pm

re: #497 cookielady

cookie lady, it's mostly chicago that makes illinois blue.
blue as in sad, too.

509 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:43:30pm

re: #500 CourDeLion

re: #476 Cognito

re: #461 CourDeLion

That's a very interesting passage.

One thing does strike me as unusual, to me: The way Jesus pauses to say parenthetically, "let the reader understand," during a spoken conversation.

Is that the later rhetorical flourish of a scribe or translator, I wonder?

Well if Jesus was in tune with cosmic consciousness/God/the All, whatever you want to call it, he would already know his words would be written down for future generations. yes/no?

I don't think so. That would be merely weird, to look someone in the face during conversation and say, "Let the reader understand..."

It's not cosmic, it just doesn't make sense. I think the other translations -- which place that bit outside the quote, in Matthew's own mouth, seem much more likely.

510 Palandine  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:43:35pm

re: #505 savage_nation

re: #495 Palandine

Oh, me like the M4 with the drum magazine

There's people there who own more firepower than the Canadian Army. God, I love this country.

511 CourDeLion[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:43:56pm
512 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:44:19pm
513 looking closely  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:44:23pm

re: #295 jaunte

re: #282 looking closely

She was a journalist for US News & World Report, covered Bosnia-Srebenica 1993-1996, is now the 'executive director of Harvard's Carr Center for Human Rights.'

In other words, she does NOT have any foreign policy experience.

I wonder if she's ever even been to Israel (let alone Gaza or Saudi Arabia), but I don't think I really want to know the answer to that.

514 sparrowlake  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:44:24pm

In the classic movie Network the half-crazed news anchor played by Peter Finch sticks his head out the office building window and screams "I'm mad as Hell and I'm not gonna take it any more!" Soon, hundreds and then thousands of others hear him yelling and they start screaming too. And you know why they're so mad? Because Big MSM was ripping them off.
BIG MSM IS STILL RIPPING US OFF!
WE'RE MAD AS HELL AND WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANY MORE!
(gets taken away in a straight jacket)

515 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:44:53pm
516 MadHamster  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:45:02pm

Kinda fun when someone talks out of both sides of her mouth and her ass at the same time. Quite a talent. I suspect that this'll come back to haunt ol' Barak if he keeps her around.

517 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:45:11pm

re: #512 song_and_dance_man

re: #509 Cognito

It's tantamount to saying. You know what I mean.

In written text, yes. But Jesus wasn't writing -- he was speaking.

Regardless, I think I've sorted it out -- other translations place that phrase outside the quote.

518 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:45:35pm

re: #492 Cartman,

Glad to see you, glad you are doing well.

{Cartman}

I can hug a brother, now can't I :-)

519 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:45:49pm

re: #513 looking closely

re: #295 jaunte

re: #282 looking closely

She was a journalist for US News & World Report, covered Bosnia-Srebenica 1993-1996, is now the 'executive director of Harvard's Carr Center for Human Rights.'

In other words, she does NOT have any foreign policy experience.

I wonder if she's ever even been to Israel (let alone Gaza or Saudi Arabia), but I don't think I really want to know the answer to that.

I believe that she believes she has traveled widely.
I don't know where she went.

520 swamprat  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:45:53pm

re: #441 Iron Fist

re: #431 song_and_dance_man,

You kill baby seals because. You nuke the gay whales for jesus.

That is very important.

:-P

re: #455 guitardalek

re: #441 Iron Fist


re: #431 song_and_dance_man,

You kill baby seals because. You nuke the gay whales for jesus.

That is very important.

:-P


And you destroy the planet to save it from the Discovery channel.

Don't kill a seal
'cause you simply need a meal
kill it just for kicks,
and then poke it in the eyes with your eye-pokin' sticks!

From a puppet show, I saw, once.

521 little boomer  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:46:10pm

re: #496 song_and_dance_man

I wonder what bigel would have to say about this post

Something about somebody should be nuked.

522 coquimbojoe  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:46:16pm

re: #490 J.D.

re: #488 coquimbojoe

Don'tcha just love it?

Love might not be the right word. If love means wanting to plant a boot in someone's ass, then yes, It was love.

523 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:46:33pm

re: #514 sparrowlake

524 solomonpanting  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:47:28pm

A baby seal walks into a club...

525 Opilio  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:47:32pm

re: #405 antiislamist

re: #385 Opilio

feministische Pazifisten-Gruppe
code pink is pacifist ? from when ?

That's apparently what the German blogger thinks. I was amused that the translation program essentially called Code Pinkers tools. A couple of other amusing translation snippets:

Mayor Tom Bates - even a former captain - tried to get straight fast that the city was not against military member, but only against the Iraq war. Calmed nobody.
Conservative Americans see Berkeley as a stronghold of erring, who want to fall the country into the abyss. The citizens see themselves as progressive and enlightened.
526 guitardalek  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:47:43pm

re: #520 swamprat

Funny, that was also a double-time cadence when I was in basic.

527 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:47:43pm

re: #518 Iron Fist

Fist! {manly hug}

528 looking closely  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:47:55pm

re: #497 cookielady
Well, I saw today, plastered across the entire tailgate of a big red pickup, in huge white letters, the following:


No intelligent, sane, reasonable person who wants the truth can vote for Hillary

The truck was from Illinois, a blue state that gave us Chicago-style politics and the Obamanation himself.

It made me feel that there could be intelligent life in our neighboring state.


Only the person who had the sticker probably thought that the "reasonable sane ones" were voting for Obama.

Think about it. . .what "reasonable sane" person puts a sticker like that on their vehicle?

529 Hucbald  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:48:03pm

#332 Cognito

If you have a certain style in mind that you'd like to learn, the trick is to find a teacher who plays that style. I spent my formative years "becoming my teachers" as much as I could, so I was lucky to learn jazz from guys like Jackie King, Herb Ellis and Pat Martino, and later classical from guys like Tom Johnson and Bill Kanengiser.

Once you have yourself a handle on things, you can scout off in your own directions.

530 Thanos  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:48:13pm

Speaking of music

531 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:48:23pm

re: #524 solomonpanting

...with a parrot on his shoulder...

532 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:48:47pm

re: #520 swamprat,

Anything to piss off the moonbats :-)

533 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:48:55pm

i'm starting to think hussein will be easier to beat than hillary. nothing good is coming out abt him.

534 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:48:59pm

Will it work?
[Link: members.fortunecity.com...]

535 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:49:53pm
536 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:49:54pm

Yea!

That was for you, Cartman.

537 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:49:56pm

re: #528 looking closely

Don't blame Illinois --we don't claim Chicago.

538 solomonpanting  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:50:19pm

re: #531 jaunte


Dang! You've already heard it.

539 guitardalek  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:50:33pm

goodnight, lizards!

540 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:51:28pm

re: #536 J.D.

Thanks much, J.D.!

541 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:51:29pm

re: #531 jaunte

... and a pair of shiny silver pants ...

542 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:51:42pm

re: #537 ggt

re: #528 looking closely

Don't blame Illinois --we don't claim Chicago.

no we don't.

543 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:51:47pm

re: #538 solomonpanting

...so the bartender asks him if he wants a cracker...

544 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:52:08pm

re: #529 Hucbald

Honestly I'm not advanced enough yet to search for a voice, really. I'd just like to be able to put songs together brick by brick -- understanding the progressions, and possible alternative shapes, etc -- instead of just plinking out tabbed notes.

I played another instrument in high school, so I can read music to a degree, but I don't know how to apply it to guitar at all. The fretboard is a real oddity, to me.

545 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:52:14pm

re: #533 nyc redneck

i'm starting to think hussein will be easier to beat than hillary. nothing good is coming out abt him.

Are you talking about him blowing his nose again?

546 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:52:20pm

G'nite, guitardalek

547 cookielady  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:52:36pm

re: #528 looking closely

Think about it. . .what "reasonable sane" person puts a sticker like that on their vehicle?

An in-your-face conservative in a liberal state, methinks.

548 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:52:38pm

re: #522 coquimbojoe

re: #490 J.D.

re: #488 coquimbojoe

Don'tcha just love it?

Love might not be the right word. If love means wanting to plant a boot in someone's ass, then yes, It was love.

re: #522 coquimbojoe

re: #490 J.D.

re: #488 coquimbojoe

Don'tcha just love it?

Love might not be the right word. If love means wanting to plant a boot in someone's ass, then yes, It was love.

[Link: members.fortunecity.com...]

549 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:52:42pm

re: #535 savage_nation

hey {sav} :)

550 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:52:46pm

Big Sun is ripping me off. I want my share of global warming now to sublimate the freezing rain.

551 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:53:11pm

Cartman: You suck.

(jes kiddin', good to see you, man.)

552 Racer X  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:53:18pm

Lefty wants you all to drive smaller cars.

553 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:53:35pm

re: #543 jaunte

... and he says, "no thanks. Don't care for southern food."

554 Maximu§  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:53:54pm

Its people like Samantha Power that would march us all to the gas chamber without a 2nd thought and then do lunch with her friends, munching on curried Tofu with a side of Spicy Nasoya Noodles.

Ill just keep my powder dry Ms. Power.....


Maximu§
3/11 ACR

555 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:54:01pm

Big Sun is reversing our polarity.

556 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:54:04pm
557 cookielady  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:54:07pm

re: #542 nyc redneck

re: #537 ggt


re: #528 looking closely

Don't blame Illinois --we don't claim Chicago.


no we don't.

Kinda like us Missourians, stuck with St. Louis. (no offense to the few good 'uns there, Palandine!)

558 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:54:35pm

re: #553 Lucius Septimius

"Gopher, Everett?"

559 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:54:37pm

re: #521 little boomer

re: #496 song_and_dance_man


I wonder what bigel would have to say about this post

Something about somebody should be nuked.

Nope, according to bigel everybody must get nuked.

560 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:54:41pm
561 cookielady  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:54:50pm

re: #539 guitardalek

Good night! Be well and happy!

562 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:55:14pm

re: #459 Pvt Bin Jammin

re: #423 nyc redneck
She is 82. She has terrible asthma. I am surprised they gave her a stress test.

Giving an 82 year old asthmatic woman a stress test so severe it stops her respiration for five minutes? That's sort of akin to testing an automobile by putting it in Drive, and standing on the accelerator and brake with both feet until the smoke gets out.

Seems to me a consultation with a lawyer might be advisable.

563 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:55:16pm

Big Roadrunner is ripping me off. Slower than hell connection tonight. Better reboot the router/modem.

564 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:55:34pm

re: #560 song_and_dance_man

re: #517 Cognito

OK semantics. You conjecture that Yeshua didn't foresee what he said wouldn't be recorded by your suggestion that since he wasn't the one writing this was added to his speech after the fact. I say he knew what he was saying would be recorded and written and so used this phrase to mean what it does.

The importance of his person was known to him at the time he spoke and we can squabble over the record, but if we grant that it was written faithfully then I say he said that as though he knew it would be recorded and so gave that phrase as a qualifier.

Um, no. Some translations put that phrase outside the quote. Which makes much more sense.

565 6pat6[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:56:10pm
566 cookielady  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:56:17pm

re: #559 Jim in Virginia

re: #521 little boomer


re: #496 song_and_dance_man

I wonder what bigel would have to say about this post

Something about somebody should be nuked.

Nope, according to bigel everybody must get nuked.

Everybody must get stoned!

567 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:56:22pm

re: #551 Occasional Reader

Howdy, O.R. Good to "see" you, as well.

568 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:56:44pm
569 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:57:12pm

re: #533 nyc redneck

i'm starting to think hussein will be easier to beat than hillary. nothing good is coming out abt him.

I still say the brokered convention will turn to the one man who can save America the earth-

Algore.

570 sparrowlake  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:58:07pm

re: #523 MandyManners

re: #514 sparrowlake

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Thanks, I needed that. What a great flick.

571 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:58:16pm

re: #567 Cartman

re: #551 Occasional Reader

Howdy, O.R. Good to "see" you, as well.

I just figured SOMEBODY should say "you suck". In that "remember thou art mortal" whisper-in-the-Roman-Emperor's-ear kind of way. Okay, bad example.

I suck.

572 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:58:33pm
573 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:59:16pm

re: #554 Maximu§

Its people like Samantha Power that would march us all to the gas chamber without a 2nd thought and then do lunch with her friends, munching on curried Tofu with a side of Spicy Nasoya Noodles.

Ill just keep my powder dry Ms. Power.....


Maximu§
3/11 ACR

i think you're right. she's that detached from reality.
but i think she'll go w/ sushi for lunch.

574 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:59:18pm

re: #569 Jim in Virginia

re: #533 nyc redneck

i'm starting to think hussein will be easier to beat than hillary. nothing good is coming out abt him.

I still say the brokered convention will turn to the one man who can save America the earth-

Algore.

Prediction: "Al Gore" will be - pretty much universally - nothing more than a punch line, within 5 years.

575 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:59:22pm

re: #571 Occasional Reader

LOL

576 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:00:44pm

re: #565 6pat6

You're awfully close to, if not over, a line that has been clearly set by our gracious host.

577 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:00:46pm

re: #571 Occasional Reader
OR, do you want agreement or should we argue about it?

578 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:01:20pm

re: #552 Racer X

Lefty wants you all to drive smaller cars.

Small cars are fine with me and I actually think they are fun to drive especially with a manual transmission. But its pothole season around here and the roads are Tee-Totally F*ed up and the roller skate wheels on a mini-cars can roll right down into them making the floor pan bottom out and slamming the rim. Which is no fun where there are 18-wheelers speeding past you on both sides because you can't go faster than 70 in that little bucket of bolts.

You would have to be suicidal to commute the Detroit highways in one of those hi speed golf carts.

579 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:01:58pm
580 Thanos  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:02:00pm

Ok memory is funny thing...

While surfing around to find that link for Cog I heard a single note at one site. The one note made me remember a song, now I have to find it without enough information.

It was called "Nowhere Road" and it was by Chris somebody.....

581 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:02:07pm

Semi-ignorant question: What happens if Hillary takes Ohio, yet the Obamanator takes Texas? Or vice-versa?

582 J.D.  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:02:30pm

re: #577 Jim in Virginia

re: #571 Occasional Reader
OR, do you want agreement or should we argue about it?

[Link: members.fortunecity.com...]

583 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:02:32pm
584 Anti-fada  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:02:56pm

Slumbering,
Thanks for the details.

585 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:02:58pm

re: #572 song_and_dance_man

re: #564 Cognito

That's it.

/erasing his name from my dance card

I'm not even sure what argument you're making. It seems to be based on the faithfulness of the text, but the texts don't all agree.

So the thing to do, I think, is to just go with the text that makes more sense to me. So I did.

Why is that a problem?

586 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:03:11pm

re: #579 song_and_dance_man

I think I'll try the beetlejuice call again.


/maybe it will turn

home!

home!

home!

587 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:03:14pm

re: #579 song_and_dance_man

Are you having a problem with Cognito again?
He really is harmless you know.

588 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:03:26pm

re: #580 Thanos

I heard a single note at one site. The one note made me remember a song, now I have to find it without enough information.

I can name that tune in one note...

589 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:03:34pm

re: #577 Jim in Virginia

re: #571 Occasional Reader
OR, do you want agreement or should we argue about it?

Remember, thou art mortal.

590 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:03:46pm

Feedin' time agin'.

I suspect I gonna become quite proficient with this one handed posting business in the next few months.

591 sparrowlake  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:03:51pm

re: #574 Occasional Reader

May Al Gorzeera be taken by a polar bear.

592 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:04:02pm

re: #580 Thanos

Are you maybe thinking of this road?
[Link: www.steveearle.net...]

593 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:04:09pm

re: #417 Killian Bundy

Isn't she lovely?

/Get Her to the Church on Time

No, the goat is ugly.

But those Asian girls are so cute, I could just puddle up...

594 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:04:45pm

re: #568 Occasional Reader

South America on Brink of War Dept.

Colombia ups ante, says Ecuador was "trafficking" in hostages that had been kidnapped by FARC terrorists.

(link in Spanish, sorry)

I know it's serious but I get giggles thinking about Chavez ordering the Venezuelan army to the border. Reminds me of the Duchy of Grand Fenwick. (Except they won.)

595 chubby vegan  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:04:49pm

re: #520 swamprat

Baby seal walks into a club...

I can't believe I just typed that.

596 cookielady  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:05:02pm

re: #576 Occasional Reader

re: #565 6pat6

You're awfully close to, if not over, a line that has been clearly set by our gracious host.

What? You don't think she should be lured into a live trap with organic peanut butter and released into the wild?
/

597 Thanos  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:05:18pm

re: #588 Mich-again

re: #580 Thanos


I heard a single note at one site. The one note made me remember a song, now I have to find it without enough information.

I can name that tune in one note...


Found it, [Link: www.amazon.com...]

now to see if Itunes has it...

598 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:05:22pm

re: #581 Cartman

I think it's still an open race: Delegate Math Could Cloud Results

599 Da_Beerfreak  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:05:22pm
re: #307 ec marm

re: #294 mama winger

Wow! Really?

Maybe if he is nominated, a severe case of buyer's remorse will settle in, and John McCain proceed to victory.


I've been listening to them bash Bush for six years but they don't like either Hillary or Obama. I'm going to research Ralph Nader and come up with some points why they should vote for him before the next time I see them. I'm sure I can find a couple. That Corvair was bad, right?

The Corvair was a good little car, it just didn't tolerate bad drivers.
Any rear engine car can be a real handful if the driver isn't real careful. I've had two myself (rear engine cars, but not a Corvair [I still want a 911]) and they are real easy to spin!
// {:O™

600 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:05:53pm

re: #593 rawmuse

re: #417 Killian Bundy

Isn't she lovely?

/Get Her to the Church on Time

No, the goat is ugly.

But those Asian girls are so cute, I could just puddle up...

I suspect there's already a dating-sim game featuring them.

601 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:05:54pm
602 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:06:05pm

re: #581 Cartman

Semi-ignorant question: What happens if Hillary takes Ohio, yet the Obamanator takes Texas? Or vice-versa?

The Democrats will blame Rush Limbaugh for all their internal squabbling?

603 solomonpanting  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:06:21pm

I saw a "Draft Gore '08" bumper sticker this past weekend. I almost felt sorry for the guy. Gore, Kerry, Clinton, Obama... who are these people? Prager's correct. The Democratic Party is not a serious party. However, it can be a deadly party.

604 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:07:00pm

just heard on abc radio news, the story abt. the marine tossing the puppy off the cliff. they're going to go after him. (gosh, i hate this. i just don't want to believe it's true.)

605 chubby vegan  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:07:07pm

re: #524 solomonpanting
swear to goodness that was not up as I was typing...sorry...

606 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:07:22pm

re: #594 Jim in Virginia

re: #568 Occasional Reader

South America on Brink of War Dept.

Colombia ups ante, says Ecuador was "trafficking" in hostages that had been kidnapped by FARC terrorists.

(link in Spanish, sorry)

I know it's serious but I get giggles thinking about Chavez ordering the Venezuelan army to the border. Reminds me of the Duchy of Grand Fenwick. (Except they won.)

I think the Colombian army could handle Venezuelan forces on the ground, and even a two-front war against Venezuela and Ecuador. What I'm worried about is air power; Colombia is relatively weak in this area. I would hope we would send a couple of carrier groups and help out.

607 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:07:47pm

re: #604 nyc redneck

That one doesn't deserve to be called a marine.

608 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:08:01pm

Some killer King Crimson for Lefty

609 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:08:13pm

re: #564 Cognito

re: #560 song_and_dance_man

re: #517 Cognito

OK semantics. You conjecture that Yeshua didn't foresee what he said wouldn't be recorded by your suggestion that since he wasn't the one writing this was added to his speech after the fact. I say he knew what he was saying would be recorded and written and so used this phrase to mean what it does.

The importance of his person was known to him at the time he spoke and we can squabble over the record, but if we grant that it was written faithfully then I say he said that as though he knew it would be recorded and so gave that phrase as a qualifier.

Um, no. Some translations put that phrase outside the quote. Which makes much more sense.

Cog, I believe Amos Garrett has some self-teaching guitar DVDs on the market; at least I saw reference to something of that nature while searching for Amos' music on YouTube. The man is a positively awesome guitar player, IMHO.

610 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:08:13pm

re: #601 song_and_dance_man

re: #585 Cognito

re: #572 song_and_dance_man

re: #564 Cognito

That's it.

/erasing his name from my dance card

I'm not even sure what argument you're making. It seems to be based on the faithfulness of the text, but the texts don't all agree.

So the thing to do, I think, is to just go with the text that makes more sense to me. So I did.

Why is that a problem?

There is no problem in your camp apparently.

/keep the kindling close

Again, what argument are you making, exactly?

That my choice of translation is wrong?

611 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:08:25pm

re: #598 Killgore Trout

re: #581 Cartman

I think it's still an open race: Delegate Math Could Cloud Results

Thanks for the info link, KT. Situation's about as clear as mud, ain't it? ;)

612 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:08:43pm

Throw a puppy off a cliff? What? That is straight out of Bad Guy Central Casting,,,

613 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:08:44pm

re: #604 nyc redneck

just heard on abc radio news, the story abt. the marine tossing the puppy off the cliff. they're going to go after him. (gosh, i hate this. i just don't want to believe it's true.)

I hope it isn't true, but if it is I hope they get him good.

614 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:08:54pm
615 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:09:06pm

re: #609 Alberta Oil Peon

Hey, thanks very much. I'll check him out.

616 Palandine  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:09:12pm

re: #557 cookielady

re: #542 nyc redneck


re: #537 ggt

re: #528 looking closely
Don't blame Illinois --we don't claim Chicago.

no we don't.

Kinda like us Missourians, stuck with St. Louis. (no offense to the few good 'uns there, Palandine!)

*Places scaly claw over minus button, hesitates, then removes it*

Hey, somebody has to hold down the fort. :)

617 Opilio  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:09:34pm

re: #508 nyc redneck

re: #497 cookielady

cookie lady, it's mostly chicago that makes illinois blue.
blue as in sad, too.

To see just how true that is, take a look at this map of the 2004 Illinois Presidential vote. The bluer the county the more it went for Kerry. The redder, the more for Bush. Most of the state is pink.

618 Sarge1984  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:09:43pm

re: #581 Cartman

Semi-ignorant question: What happens if Hillary takes Ohio, yet the Obamanator takes Texas? Or vice-versa?

Six more weeks of winter Democrat Campaign Season?

619 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:10:02pm

All those expert campaign advisers that Hillary is paying for and not once did we see her in Ohio wearing a red sweater vest. Duhh!

620 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:10:08pm

re: #611 Cartman

It's a mess. If Hillary actually snakes the nomination the progressives base is going to flip out big time.

621 Palandine  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:10:32pm

re: #558 jaunte

re: #553 Lucius Septimius

"Gopher, Everett?"

I'm afraid one third of a gopher would only arouse my appetite without bedding it down again.

622 swamprat  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:10:38pm

re: #585 Cognito

re: #572 song_and_dance_man


re: #564 Cognito

That's it.

/erasing his name from my dance card


I'm not even sure what argument you're making. It seems to be based on the faithfulness of the text, but the texts don't all agree.

So the thing to do, I think, is to just go with the text that makes more sense to me. So I did.

Why is that a problem?


You need a braoder background in other religions to fully understand the beauty and nuance of the new testament,.....but look here, anyway

623 solomonpanting  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:10:40pm

re: #605 chubby vegan

re: #524 solomonpanting
swear to goodness that was not up as I was typing...sorry...

I'm not following you here. Help, please.

624 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:11:03pm

re: #612 rawmuse

Throw a puppy off a cliff? What? That is straight out of Bad Guy Central Casting,,,

Thats straight out of Anchorman. "Baaaaaaxxxx-terrrrrrrrrr!

OK it was a bridge, not a cliff.

625 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:11:04pm

re: #614 song_and_dance_man

re: #587 DesertSage

It's like trying to meet on a mobius strip.

No it's not, Song. I'll be honest here: You're just not following through with your argument.

I've come across a discrepancy between Biblical translations, and you're saying I'm wrong for selecting one over the other. What's the alternative?

626 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:11:21pm

re: #621 Palandine

re: #558 jaunte

re: #553 Lucius Septimius

"Gopher, Everett?"

I'm afraid one third of a gopher would only arouse my appetite without bedding it down again.

Are you sure you don't want to... rephrase that?

627 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:11:51pm

re: #621 Palandine

re: #558 jaunte

re: #553 Lucius Septimius

"Gopher, Everett?"

I'm afraid one third of a gopher would only arouse my appetite without bedding it down again.

Oh, you can have the whole thing; I already et one.

628 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:12:21pm

re: #606 Occasional Reader

I would hope we would send a couple of carrier groups and help out.


I hope so ,too. The Democrats would have a cow.
Just saw a ten second Obama clip on the news.

I believe in maintaining a strong military (I think I'm going to faint, he's so articulate) and part of that is using our military wisely.
629 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:12:40pm

re: #607 ggt

re: #604 nyc redneck

That one doesn't deserve to be called a marine.

yes, i couldn't agree more, if this is a true story. he is bad news all the way around.

630 cookielady  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:13:00pm

re: #616 Palandine

{Palandine}

I'm just glad there are some of "us" there at all!

re: #617 Opilio

Actually, that's true for most of the country: the big cities are the strongholds of liberal doublethink, and the rest of the state is redder than blue.

631 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:13:08pm

re: #625 Cognito

re: #614 song_and_dance_man

re: #587 DesertSage

It's like trying to meet on a mobius strip.

No it's not, Song. I'll be honest here: You're just not following through with your argument.

I've come across a discrepancy between Biblical translations, and you're saying I'm wrong for selecting one over the other. What's the alternative?

Cognito's right, sadm. Explain what you mean.

632 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:13:13pm

re: #618 Sarge1984

re: #581 Cartman

Semi-ignorant question: What happens if Hillary takes Ohio, yet the Obamanator takes Texas? Or vice-versa?

Six more weeks of winter Democrat Campaign Season?

I don't think I could handle that...

633 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:13:20pm

re: #624 Mich-again

re: #612 rawmuse


Throw a puppy off a cliff? What? That is straight out of Bad Guy Central Casting,,,

Thats straight out of Anchorman. "Baaaaaaxxxx-terrrrrrrrrr!

OK it was a bridge, not a cliff.


That scene is when I turned off the dvd and threw it out in the trash. I will not tolerate this type of behavior. Seeing it on the screen, some stupid people will follow suit.

634 chubby vegan  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:13:26pm

Please shhhh....Ixnay on the ArakBay UsseinHay (I kind of want Obama to get the nod, I think he will be obliterated.) This is before the freaking convention and subsequent race...(didn't mean race, oh crap). No matter how careful he gets, he has 50,000 absolute nutjobs who can't wait to get an interview to show how smart they are. And they will get air time.

Mr. Gleason? Your line
Mr. Gleason: AND AWAY WE GO!

635 Sarge1984  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:13:43pm

re: #612 rawmuse

It was ugly a couple threads back. Complete with a link to the video.

636 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:13:43pm

Well, I keep telling myself that the US of A is so strong that we could survive no matter who is President, but lately I am not buying my own line. There is only so much perfidy from within we can tolerate.

637 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:14:39pm

re: #628 Jim in Virginia

I believe in maintaining a strong military (I think I'm going to faint, he's so articulate) and part of that is using our military wisely.

If you understand the word "wisely" as meaning "not at all", the statement makes perfect sense.

638 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:14:48pm

re: #620 Killgore Trout

re: #611 Cartman

It's a mess. If Hillary actually snakes the nomination the progressives base is going to flip out big time.

Very true. And they'll blame Republicans for crossing lines in the Primaries to keep Obama down for reasons other than just politics.

639 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:14:58pm
640 Age Of Freedom  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:15:15pm

Let's give Power a state!

641 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:15:19pm

re: #635 Sarge1984

re: #612 rawmuse

It was ugly a couple threads back. Complete with a link to the video.

I can't look. How bad was it? I can't stomach cruelty to pets. It makes me go into Prince of Darkness commando mode.

642 Palandine  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:15:21pm

re: #626 Occasional Reader

re: #621 Palandine


re: #558 jaunte

re: #553 Lucius Septimius

"Gopher, Everett?"


I'm afraid one third of a gopher would only arouse my appetite without bedding it down again.

Are you sure you don't want to... rephrase that?

*giggles*
It's from Oh Brother Where Art Thou? Next line is "Don't worry about it, we found a nest."
Ah, George Clooney. Why are the beautiful ones always evil? ;)

643 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:15:42pm

re: #636 rawmuse

Well, I keep telling myself that the US of A is so strong that we could survive no matter who is President, but lately I am not buying my own line. There is only so much perfidy from within we can tolerate.

We will survive. Hey, hey.

Really.

644 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:16:03pm

re: #613 newsjunkie_ky

re: #604 nyc redneck

just heard on abc radio news, the story abt. the marine tossing the puppy off the cliff. they're going to go after him. (gosh, i hate this. i just don't want to believe it's true.)

I hope it isn't true, but if it is I hope they get him good.

me too. only a sadist could do that. not an honorable soldier.

645 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:16:11pm

re: #633 newsjunkie_ky

That scene is when I turned off the dvd and threw it out in the trash.

Hmmm. I laughed my arse off. Baaaaaxxx-Terrrrrr! Dude. Its a movie.

646 chubby vegan  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:16:11pm

re: #623 solomonpanting
Repeated your "Baby Seal Walks Into A Club" line...didn't see you had put it there. I feel so damn stupid when I repeat someones post. So, again, sorry. You Da (wo?)Man!

647 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:16:14pm

re: #636 rawmuse

Well, I keep telling myself that the US of A is so strong that we could survive no matter who is President, but lately I am not buying my own line. There is only so much perfidy from within we can tolerate.

I tend to believe that democracy is a self-correcting thing. We may even ride it to the brink of destruction, but I do trust that once that great mushroom cloud of misjudgment settles, there will be two of three people left raising their hands to overrule the third.

648 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:17:18pm

Bought a pack of Sherman's today, and just fired one up. Been a long time. Damn, that tastes good! It'll eventually kill me, but...

649 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:17:20pm

Damn Gloria Swanson was fantastic in Sunset Boulevard. I don't remember seeing this movie before. Very well done.

650 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:17:24pm

re: #636 rawmuse

Well, I keep telling myself that the US of A is so strong that we could survive no matter who is President, but lately I am not buying my own line. There is only so much perfidy from within we can tolerate.

I think that perception of the strength of this country is what's behind all the juvenile acting our behaviors that zombie documents so well. Those people can't imagine that if could be possible that they might live in a world without the strength of the society that allows them the freedom to be career revoltin' revolutionaries.

651 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:17:33pm

re: #645 Mich-again

re: #633 newsjunkie_ky


That scene is when I turned off the dvd and threw it out in the trash.

Hmmm. I laughed my arse off. Baaaaaxxx-Terrrrrr! Dude. Its a movie.

Dude, there are many idiots that will think that is funny, doesn't make it so. And there are many more idiots that will do the same thing, just to be funny.

652 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:17:36pm

Hey guys.

Wow. That is pretty powerful stuff, moreover, very difficult to distance yourself from.

Like Jammie said, I also think the flower is coming off Obama's bloom. It's only a matter of statistics, that he can side-step this stuff in his proximity.

In all actuality, if you take what is being emphasized at it's core, there are not too many degrees of separation with respect to people around him, and their positions on Israel versus the folks around Ron Paul.

I have to say, when I look at the globe, South America, the Balkans, the Middle East, and Asia, at times it appears all hell is just waiting to break loose.

653 Sarge1984  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:17:53pm

re: #641 rawmuse

I didn't watch the video, just the opening second or two, which wasn't bad--a troop I didn't take the time to identify holding a puppy by the scruff of the neck. Beyond that, I don't know. The thread itself was the "ugly" I was referring to. I think it's the one before the goat thread.

654 Thanos  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:18:11pm

re: #638 Mich-again

re: #620 Killgore Trout


re: #611 Cartman

It's a mess. If Hillary actually snakes the nomination the progressives base is going to flip out big time.


Very true. And they'll blame Republicans for crossing lines in the Primaries to keep Obama down for reasons other than just politics.


I have a theory that there will be enough Republicans crossing lines to vote Obama on the thought that they never want to see a Clinton in the White House again that they will cancel out "Hillary to stuff Obama" voters.

655 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:18:20pm

re: #647 Cognito

once that great mushroom cloud of misjudgment settles, there will be two of three people left raising their hands to overrule the third.

Well that's really fuckin' cheerful.

656 Idle Drifter  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:18:49pm
657 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:18:54pm

re: #636 rawmuse

There is only so much perfidy from within we can tolerate.

I say theres already way too much perfidy going on.

658 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:18:56pm

re: #647 Cognito

re: #636 rawmuse


Well, I keep telling myself that the US of A is so strong that we could survive no matter who is President, but lately I am not buying my own line. There is only so much perfidy from within we can tolerate.

I tend to believe that democracy is a self-correcting thing. We may even ride it to the brink of destruction, but I do trust that once that great mushroom cloud of misjudgment settles, there will be two of three people left raising their hands to overrule the third.

Any man left on the Rio Grande
Is the King of the World
As far as I know

659 Opilio  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:19:22pm

re: #630 cookielady

re: #616 Palandine

{Palandine}

I'm just glad there are some of "us" there at all!

re: #617 Opilio

Actually, that's true for most of the country: the big cities are the strongholds of liberal doublethink, and the rest of the state is redder than blue.

Of course, you're right. Here's Missouri's 2004 vote by county. The state is pinker than Illinois, but St. Louis is bluer than Cook County, Ill.

660 Opilio  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:19:40pm

re: #639 savage_nation

I want Summer Glau to fight along side me, any time, anywhere!

I'll second that.

661 ggt  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:19:46pm

Gotta go Lizards. Have a great evening and

talk nice about me when I'm gone.

662 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:20:18pm

re: #660 Opilio

re: #639 savage_nation

I want Summer Glau to fight along side me, any time, anywhere!

I'll second that.

Me, I'm slightly bored with the "kung fu babe" meme.

663 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:20:25pm
665 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:20:33pm

re: #661 ggt

That ggt's a good egg, no?

666 cookielady  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:20:37pm

Good night, Lizards. Time for some sleep, to dream of days without snow and ice and cold temperatures.

Global Warming, Where Art Thou?

667 Racer X  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:21:21pm

re: #625 Cognito

re: #614 song_and_dance_man

re: #587 DesertSage

It's like trying to meet on a mobius strip.

No it's not, Song. I'll be honest here: You're just not following through with your argument.

I've come across a discrepancy between Biblical translations, and you're saying I'm wrong for selecting one over the other. What's the alternative?

Is this going to be a 5 minute argument or the full half hour?

668 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:21:30pm

Thank God ggt is finally gone.

Can you believe those shoes ggt was wearing? And that hair? Like, HELLOOO, it's called a mirror!

669 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:21:36pm

re: #655 Occasional Reader

re: #647 Cognito

once that great mushroom cloud of misjudgment settles, there will be two of three people left raising their hands to overrule the third.

Well that's really fuckin' cheerful.

"Welp. Better than utter destruction, I guess."

- Julius Caesar

670 solomonpanting  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:21:48pm

re: #646 chubby vegan


Don't be so hard on yourself.
BTW, I'm a guy.

671 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:22:29pm

G'nite ggt and cookielady

672 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:22:45pm

“If the lawyers will take the case – sue the people who sell carbon credits. That includes Al Gore. That lawsuit would get so much publicity, so much media attention. And as the experts went to the media stand to testify, I feel like that could become the vehicle to finally put some light on the fraud of global warming.”

673 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:22:47pm

re: #634 chubby vegan

Please shhhh....Ixnay on the ArakBay UsseinHay (I kind of want Obama to get the nod, I think he will be obliterated.) This is before the freaking convention and subsequent race...(didn't mean race, oh crap). No matter how careful he gets, he has 50,000 absolute nutjobs who can't wait to get an interview to show how smart they are. And they will get air time.

Mr. Gleason? Your line
Mr. Gleason: AND AWAY WE GO!

Michelle went to Princeton and Harvard. She will not take kindly to anyone on the campaign staff telling her to shut the eff up.
The other 49,999 nutjobs are just gravy.

674 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:23:05pm
675 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:23:12pm

re: #666 cookielady

Good night, Lizards. Time for some sleep, to dream of days without snow and ice and cold temperatures.

Global Warming, Where Art Thou?

I won't even bore the Lizards in the midwest about how nice it was in San Francisco today. I weeded in the garden in my T shirt. The windows in my house are open right now. Simply delicious.

676 Thanos  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:23:24pm

hrmmm wonder if Pakistan took Youtube down again? Getting nothing....

Time to hit the hay, g'nite all

677 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:23:30pm

re: #667 Racer X


Is this going to be a 5 minute argument or the full half hour?

Sorry, this is abuse; argument's just down the hall..."

678 Sarge1984  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:23:34pm

Uncle!

Early wake-up in the morning.

679 chubby vegan  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:23:44pm

re: #636 rawmuse

Dayam...perfidy. Know the word, but have never seen it used. Nice.

680 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:24:05pm

re: #675 rawmuse

re: #666 cookielady

Good night, Lizards. Time for some sleep, to dream of days without snow and ice and cold temperatures.

Global Warming, Where Art Thou?

I won't even bore the Lizards in the midwest about how nice it was in San Francisco today. I weeded in the garden in my T shirt. The windows in my house are open right now. Simply delicious.

Now that is abuse.

681 William  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:24:06pm

Wonderful, some demented Marine bastard was filmed throwing a puppy off a cliff in Iraq and it's all over YouTube and the news. I hope he's immediately dishonorably discharged, and whatever else they can throw at him.

The example made of him should be severe and public.

What a sick bastard.

Not only is he a sick bastard for killing a puppy and laughing, he just handed our enemies a propaganda coup.

682 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:24:22pm

re: #663 song_and_dance_man

re: #610 Cognito

Don't act like you don't know what we're talking about. This is the very thing that irks people about you. I can hang with it, but don't make it an issue and pretend innocent as though you don't.

Shall we go back to the beginning, or are you satisfied that we have gone beyond by your rejection of what I had to say?

Let me say it again, despite your translations.

If you were a celebrity and knew that you were being recorded what is the problem with saying, 'Let the reader understand' or even 'Let the hearer understand'?

You seem intent those words are without the words spoken and recorded as they were said and are additions to the ascribed words of Yeshua.

You speak to me as if I am an idiot.

I'll don't mean to do the same, but I do feel like I need to clarify a thing or two here. I'm not taking issue with Jesus. I'm simply saying there are two translations of the text. I favor one. You apparently favor the other.

If you've got an entanglement, here, it's with the translator. Not me.

683 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:24:22pm

Prediction: If Clinton wins the Dem nomination - she will go on to win the presidency. The Clinton machine will not be denied. The media and the democrat machine and the hollywood machine will get behind her and pimp her while they tare-down McCain (it's already happening)
So for those Ohio and Texan republicans who are voting for Hillary out of fear of Obama - I hope you realize this.

Then we get the communist for-sale-at-any-price clintons again.

684 Da_Beerfreak  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:24:26pm

Must try and put an end to all this senseless planet bashing!

Save the Earth!
For all we know it’s the
only planet that has chocolate.

// 2¢

685 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:24:49pm

Dear Jewish Americans,

Remember the sick feeling we had when we sat down at our Passover tables in 2002? Remember how heavy our hearts were? Remember the empty sick feeling in our stomachs as we realized a Seder, just like the one were sitting at had been blown to smithereens, killing and maiming almost 200 people? Who can forget this attack on the Holiday that perhaps most defines our people and our faith? Even as the victims were being rushed to the hospitals and the burial societies, the capitals of Europe rang with calls for "restraint" and "negotiation" anything other than stopping the sick scum who perpetrated an outage of outrages on our people and our faith.

Israel did what it was built to do: it defended our people. You can say whatever you want about Ariel Sharon but he sent the Army in and from that attack on the number of attacks against our people slowed to the point where we only have to endure one of these war crimes each year.

Sharon pointed the IDF right at the center of terror operations in the West Bank: Jenin. 19 Israeli boys died in the fight. Using the honesty and "evenhandedness" the press, western governments, and the Arab world are famous for, we were informed that the good name of our people would forever be linked with the hideous "war crimes" at Jenin. Except for the small fact that no war crimes took place.

It was a battle. Between fighters. 99% of the Palestinians of Jenin survived the battle. Israel did everything it could to avoid civilian casualties but, because the kind of people that attack Jewish Seders hide among civilians (their "higher" cause makes this unremarkable to the media), some civilian died. Of course, all the civilian casualties were deemed Israel's fault. This was a new and ultimate double standard to be used against Israel: at Jenin, the international community declared Jews are not allowed to defend themselves. Screw that. Screw them and screw everyone and anyone who thinks so.

So now meet Samantha Power, foreign policy adviser to Barack Obama, she embodies the immoral, contemptible, dishonest, politically correct ideology that would have Jews blown up anywhere and everywhere. Ms. Power thinks that Jenin, where Jews were FALSELY accused of killing 5000 people is still a war crime. The facts are not necessary for her to hold it against Israel. Mr. Obama thinks that her thinking is the fresh new approach, the change we need in our thinking.

This "fresh thinking" is a formula for a pile of Jewish and American dead. Ms. Power will be understood by the more murderous of Jewish and American enemies as a declaration of open season for attacks on us. If we defend ourselves, she thinks it is a war crime. Americans should look on this as the complete opposite of the principled ideals of US foreign policy.

Tell me, Jewish supporters of Obama, why I should trust this nation in the hands of fool who has people like Power in his brain trust? It won't be you on the line advising Obama to protect Israel, it will be Susan Power who relishes tossing Israel to the wolves. For the last 16 years Israel has tried peace and only gotten radicalism and terror in return- for the simple reason that EVERY Palestinian leader is a radical terrorist. The smarter ones use negotiation because military victory is not yet possible; but as the "moderate" Mr. Abbas told us last week, he fired the first shot against Israel in 1964 and he knows when it is right to pull the trigger. Look at how Palestinians are acting towards Israel now and imagine their behavior if they thought the US would no longer stand beside Israel.

How about we never find out?

686 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:24:57pm

re: #674 song_and_dance_man

re: #631 Occasional Reader

Do you want me to explain this?

It's like trying to meet on a mobius strip.

No. Your position basically is, "if you question my base assumptions, you're being unfair". And that's... unfair.

687 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:25:02pm

re: #675 rawmuse

re: #666 cookielady


Good night, Lizards. Time for some sleep, to dream of days without snow and ice and cold temperatures.

Global Warming, Where Art Thou?


I won't even bore the Lizards in the midwest about how nice it was in San Francisco today. I weeded in the garden in my T shirt. The windows in my house are open right now. Simply delicious.


I'm reporting this!

/brrrr

688 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:25:11pm

re: #679 chubby vegan

from the Latin "Perfidia". There was also a good rhumba by that name. Stick with me, kid.

689 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:25:26pm

G'nite, gunny

690 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:26:35pm

re: #651 newsjunkie_ky

Dude, there are many idiots that will think that is funny, doesn't make it so. And there are many more idiots that will do the same thing, just to be funny.

Hmm. so then, not only am I an idiot, but according to you if a million people thought that scene from Anchorman was funny, than many more than a million people will go out and kick a dog off a bridge just to be funny. I disagree with you on the second point, but the fact I'm responding to you at all might just prove your first point.

691 chubby vegan  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:26:48pm

re: #688 rawmuse

Even know the Rhumba (exists). Impressive.

692 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:26:55pm

re: #584 Anti-fada

Thanks for the gratuity, but Lizard Shug is the one that really deserves it for the latest details. I was just passing it on.

693 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:27:54pm

re: #681 William

Not only is he a sick bastard for killing a puppy and laughing, he just handed our enemies a propaganda coup.

They hate dogs.

694 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:28:22pm
695 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:28:36pm

re: #690 Mich-again
Bet that marine watched the movie and laughed at that part as well.

696 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:28:51pm

re: #685 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

As usual, an excellent post. Bravo.

/Long time. How are ya?

697 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:29:22pm
698 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:29:28pm

re: #694 DesertSage

Boy, does that bring back memories. Good ones.

699 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:30:02pm

Perfidious Rumba of Albion

(No "h" in Rumba, btw)

700 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:30:29pm

re: #673 Jim in Virginia

re: #634 chubby vegan

Please shhhh....Ixnay on the ArakBay UsseinHay (I kind of want Obama to get the nod, I think he will be obliterated.) This is before the freaking convention and subsequent race...(didn't mean race, oh crap). No matter how careful he gets, he has 50,000 absolute nutjobs who can't wait to get an interview to show how smart they are. And they will get air time.

Mr. Gleason? Your line
Mr. Gleason: AND AWAY WE GO!

Michelle went to Princeton and Harvard. She will not take kindly to anyone on the campaign staff telling her to shut the eff up.
The other 49,999 nutjobs are just gravy.

i hope the raucous grating racist doesn't shut up. (especially since hillary seems to be fading.)

701 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:30:46pm

re: #697 song_and_dance_man

Consider it dropped.

So... what's your opinion of rumba?

702 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:30:49pm

re: #698 rawmuse

Beautiful music, huh?

703 chubby vegan  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:31:06pm

What damaging (or damaged) people will want to shill for Obama whether he wants the "endorsement"...
The list is very long, and very seedy.

704 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:31:23pm

re: #685 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Humbled by the brilliance in that post.

705 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:32:00pm

re: #668 Occasional Reader

Thank God ggt is finally gone.

Can you believe those shoes ggt was wearing? And that hair? Like, HELLOOO, it's called a mirror!

It's past my bedtime but I'm not leaving. Really. No. I'm right here.

Oh no- breaking news, Amy Winehouse has impetigo.


Night, lizards.

706 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:32:20pm

re: #681 William

I have watched the video over and over to try and get perspective.

Agreed. It is very disturbing, but rushing to judgment is not a good thing.

I have no doubts it will be investigated, and if this is a genuine act of cruelty, they will be punished.

707 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:32:39pm

re: #700 nyc redneck

I love the fact that her [cough] "senior thesis" was basically about "Being Black at Princeton". Hell, I think I'll do my Ph.D at Harvard about "Being [Occasional Reader] at Harvard".

I always had a funny idea that the purpose of higher education was to get you to look a bit beyond your own, personal experiences.

708 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:32:52pm

Guilty Plea in NYC in Quran Desecration

A man who threw copies of the Quran into a toilet after disputes with Muslims at the college he once attended pleaded guilty Monday to disorderly conduct.

A Quran recovered at Pace University in 2006 "was covered in feces," according to a criminal complaint. Muslims view desecration of their holy book as an offense against God.

Stanislav Shmulevich, 24, pleaded guilty as part of a deal in which he must complete 300 hours of community service.

The business student was initially charged with two counts of criminal mischief as a hate crime, a felony punishable by up to four years in prison.

/bummer, it's a [expletive deleted] book, and an evil one at that

709 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:32:54pm

re: #698 rawmuse

Shotgun!

710 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:32:58pm
711 Idle Drifter  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:32:58pm

re: #693 Mich-again

re: #681 William


Not only is he a sick bastard for killing a puppy and laughing, he just handed our enemies a propaganda coup.

They hate dogs.

There'll be a Code Pink sign outside the Berkley USMC office soon.

712 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:33:06pm
All his usual formalites of perfidy were observed with scrupulous technique.


-Sir Winston Churchill

;)

713 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:33:06pm

re: #668 Occasional Reader

Thank God ggt is finally gone.

Can you believe those shoes ggt was wearing? And that hair? Like, HELLOOO, it's called a mirror!

what are you talking abt? i suggested those shoes and that stylist.
i'm tellin'. ;)

714 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:33:39pm
715 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:34:11pm

re: #699 Occasional Reader

Rhumba is listed in my dictionary as a variant. But it is the more common spelling in the music world. Silent H.
Similar debates rage about the spelling of TACET versus TACIT. But in the music world, they mean the same thing (be silent).
Don't you love it when we're both right? :p

716 America1  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:34:29pm

Just another Moonbat Monday.........

717 kansas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:35:22pm

Barack should just lob some rockets into Israel from Gaza. Works for Hamas. Didn't they just declare "victory" as Israel pulled out.............again. Same shit different day.

718 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:36:07pm

re: #685 Ayatollah Ghilmeini,

Obama is not a friend of Israel. Period. I don't know that he is actively anti-Semitic (he keeps it under wraps if he is), but he is no friend of Israel.

One thing to factor in when deciding on a Presidential Candidate this year.

719 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:36:39pm

re: #715 rawmuse

Rhumba is listed in my dictionary as a variant.

Well if you like "variants", comrade, why don't you just move back to Communist Russia?!

720 solomonpanting  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:37:07pm

Hamas claims Gaza "victory" as Israel pulls back

You gotta hand it to Hamas. They certainly do look on the bright side.

721 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:37:09pm

re: #718 Iron Fist

re: #685 Ayatollah Ghilmeini,

Obama is not a friend of Israel. Period. I don't know that he is actively anti-Semitic (he keeps it under wraps if he is), but he is no friend of Israel.

One thing to factor in when deciding on a Presidential Candidate this year.

This raises an interesting point.

Can someone -- Obama in particular, I suppose -- be against Israel, but not against Jews per se?

722 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:37:25pm
723 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:37:25pm

re: #715 rawmuse

re: #699 Occasional Reader

Rhumba is listed in my dictionary as a variant. But it is the more common spelling in the music world. Silent H.
Similar debates rage about the spelling of TACET versus TACIT. But in the music world, they mean the same thing (be silent).
Don't you love it when we're both right? :p

Another Churchill quote:
"The English never draw a line without blurring it."

724 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:37:29pm

When I was a kid I stopped some other kid from sticking a firecracker in a garter snake's mouth to light it for fun. I don't know what makes someone sick in the head enough to abuse an animal. But I don't think you get it from watching a cheesy Will Ferrell comedy.

725 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:37:36pm
726 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:37:57pm

re: #720 solomonpanting

Hamas claims Gaza "victory" as Israel pulls back

You gotta hand it to Hamas. They certainly do look on the bright side.

"It's just a flesh wound! Come back, you coward!"

727 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:38:11pm

re: #709 DesertSage

That one is a classic. But you know what they say about familiarity...
BTW, I met Booker T Jones last summer. Very nice fellow. He is still playin'.

728 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:38:38pm

re: #708 Killian Bundy

300 hours seems like an awful lot. I think Ollie North only had to do 100 hours for lying to congress.

729 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:39:02pm

re: #719 Occasional Reader

re: #715 rawmuse

Rhumba is listed in my dictionary as a variant.

Well if you like "variants", comrade, why don't you just move back to Communist Russia?!

Drinking again, are we? Wodka?

730 Opilio  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:39:17pm

re: #677 jaunte

re: #667 Racer X



Is this going to be a 5 minute argument or the full half hour?

Sorry, this is abuse; argument's just down the hall..."

Oh no, that's next door. It's being-hit-on-the-head lessons in here.
What a stupid concept.

731 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:39:17pm

re: #725 song_and_dance_man

the founding fathers.

..would hardly recognize the behemoth they spawned.

732 chubby vegan  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:39:42pm

I have seen the word both ways in sheet music. Not to be confused with a Rohmbus.

733 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:39:49pm

re: #722 savage_nation

re: #716 America1

Just another Moonbat Monday.........

Wish it were Sunday, thats my fun day

That chick that sang for The Bangles was freakin' hot!

734 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:39:54pm

re: #729 rawmuse

re: #719 Occasional Reader

re: #715 rawmuse

Rhumba is listed in my dictionary as a variant.

Well if you like "variants", comrade, why don't you just move back to Communist Russia?!

Drinking again, are we? Wodka?

I'm drinking decent, God-fearing American Nyquil, there, Ivan!

Which reminds me, time for bed. Night, all.

735 swamprat  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:39:55pm

re: #721 Cognito
Yes, but generally, no.

736 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:39:57pm
737 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:40:24pm

I have been to Rhussia many times, but I never heard the Rhumba there...

738 chubby vegan  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:41:29pm

re: #733 Cartman

Suzanna Hoffs

739 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:41:34pm

G'nite, O.R.

740 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:42:00pm

Speaking of Great Music

741 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:42:27pm

re: #736 buzzsawmonkey

Hey wait a minute. I think you just outed her secret agent husband Austin Power.

/paging Robert Novak !

742 Palandine  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:42:59pm

re: #705 Jim in Virginia

It's past my bedtime but I'm not leaving. Really. No. I'm right here.

Oh no- breaking news, Amy Winehouse has impetigo.

Haile H. Selassie! How hard is it for a pampered millionaire to keep up a basic level of hygiene? I know, it's the drugs, but jeez...

743 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:43:10pm

re: #738 chubby vegan

re: #733 Cartman

Suzanna Hoffs

Yeah, that's the ticket! Man, what a babe.

/I'll settle down, after the acid flashback passes...

744 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:43:19pm

re: #721 Cognito,

That is a very hard question.

Theoretically it is possible, but in practice I have never seen it pulled off. Once they are anti-Israel (anti-Zionist), the anti-Jew slips in as part of it. I've never seen this not happen.

745 Bobibutu  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:43:38pm

re: #681 William

Wonderful, some demented Marine bastard was filmed throwing a puppy off a cliff in Iraq and it's all over YouTube and the news. I hope he's immediately dishonorably discharged, and whatever else they can throw at him.

The example made of him should be severe and public.

What a sick bastard.

Not only is he a sick bastard for killing a puppy and laughing, he just handed our enemies a propaganda coup.

There is an investigation underway.

[Link: www.marinecorpstimes.com...]

746 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:44:01pm

re: #735 swamprat

To quote Ayatollah Gilmeini
"Israel did what it was built to do: it defended our people."
Hard to separate being against Israel from being against Jews per se.
What other nation has, as its purpose, their protection?

747 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:45:36pm

re: #707 Occasional Reader

i don't think she's very bright. it's the easy way out to jaw jack abt. the racist angle, in this day and age, no less. why didn't she pursue something real and substantive in college, that could perhaps have benefited her race instead of bogus inflammatory racist derivative bs ala al sharpton. she's a low life.

748 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:45:36pm
749 Opilio  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:45:58pm

re: #724 Mich-again

a cheesy Will Ferrell comedy.

That's redundant.

750 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:46:06pm

Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

751 Opilio  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:46:26pm

re: #732 chubby vegan

I have seen the word both ways in sheet music. Not to be confused with a Rohmbus.

Or, if you prefer, rhombus.

752 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:46:56pm

re: #751 Opilio

Shilent aitch

753 Karridine  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:47:21pm

re: #734 Occasional Reader

2 parts Nyquil
1 part vodka (Smirnoffs will do)
1 part lemon juice
poured over crushed ice, strained, drunk quickly (heh!)

Nyquil Highball
(because they stopped selling Micrin!)
:D

754 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:47:24pm

re: #721 Cognito

I say absolutely not.

Western civilization, albeit, born of the Greco-Roman, Judeo-Christian seed, has evolved beyond the religious state, affording a general set of principles inherent to a civilized society.

Israel has adopted this model.

Him running for President, of a nation bound by a Constitution, elected representation, and laws, is antithesis when parsed with your question. It is fraught contradiction. especially given, he is on the record claiming he is ready to sit at the negotiating table, and legitimize nations who's being is solely based on ethnicity and/or religion.

Being against Israel, but not against Jews will never work. In doing so, you nullify how it came to be.

755 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:47:35pm

re: #639 savage_nation

I want Summer Glau to fight along side me, any time, anywhere!

She has beautiful eyes.

/yes, I DO mean the ones on her face

756 swamprat  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:47:38pm

re: #746 jaunte
No further comment is necessary.

757 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:47:52pm

re: #750 DesertSage
Now your going to make Algore cry. Shame on you :-P

758 chubby vegan  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:47:59pm

re: #743 Cartman

I guess she was cute, if you go for (Airplane quote)She's lovely and has a darling figure... supple, pouting breasts...

759 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:48:39pm

re: #750 DesertSage

Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

But, but, al gore will explain this, I know he will.
/global warming moonbat

760 solomonpanting  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:49:53pm

re: #750 DesertSage

All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

I blame Goebbels' Warning.

761 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:49:55pm

re: #757 Iron Fist

re: #759 newsjunkie_ky

AlGore can go piss up a rope!

762 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:50:14pm
763 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:50:16pm

re: #744 Iron Fist

re: #721 Cognito,

That is a very hard question.

Theoretically it is possible, but in practice I have never seen it pulled off. Once they are anti-Israel (anti-Zionist), the anti-Jew slips in as part of it. I've never seen this not happen.

I think you're right.

Although to be honest, I've had questions at times about some things Israel has done -- not even criticisms, exactly, but just questions -- and kept them to myself rather than be viewed as anti-Semitic.

(And let me state, for posterity, that I am an ardent supporter of Israel.)

764 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:50:23pm

re: #720 solomonpanting

Hamas claims Gaza "victory" as Israel pulls back

You gotta hand it to Hamas. They certainly do look on the bright side.

Well, Ol'merde pulled out before Hamas was destroyed. Did the IDF even get to destroy a good chunk of the Hamas arsenal before they were pulled out?
Does Ol'merde need a dose of Viagra or something? Or a no-confidence vote?

Maybe he and B. Hussein Osama should be retired on an island somewhere where they can talk and talk and talk and not screw up the real world.

765 chubby vegan  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:50:41pm

re: #761 DesertSage

Hey Sage. What the hell does that quote mean? Never made any sense to me.

766 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:51:11pm

re: #758 chubby vegan

767 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:51:53pm

re: #746 jaunte

re: #735 swamprat

To quote Ayatollah Gilmeini
"Israel did what it was built to do: it defended our people."
Hard to separate being against Israel from being against Jews per se.
What other nation has, as its purpose, their protection?

And the essence of opposition to Israel is to deny the Jews the right (freely given to the "Palestinians") to defend themselves from their enemies.

So while anti-Zionism may not be framed as hatred of the Jews, it's operative effect is to countenance their destruction.

That sounds like anti-Semitism to these ears.

768 Sid 6.7  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:51:55pm

Liberal logic:
The other day I was in Boulder, CO and in a parking lot there were two cars side by side. One had a bumper sticker (driver's side, rear) that read "US out of Iraq". The other car beside it had a bumper sticker (passenger's side, rear) that read "Free Tibet".

I wish I had my camera...

769 Opilio  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:52:43pm

re: #753 Karridine

re: #734 Occasional Reader

2 parts Nyquil
1 part vodka (Smirnoffs will do)
1 part lemon juice
poured over crushed ice, strained, drunk quickly (heh!)

Nyquil Highball
(because they stopped selling Micrin!)
:D

Does the vodka/lemon juice help the Nyquil stay down? Cuz I tell ya, drinking that stuff straight is a struggle of mind over stomach. Bleeeech.

770 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:52:49pm

re: #768 Sid 6.7

Ha. Perfect.

771 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:53:10pm

re: #761 DesertSage

re: #757 Iron Fist

re: #759 newsjunkie_ky

AlGore can go piss up a rope!

He does on a daily basis. It's because of global warming.
/

772 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:53:23pm

Just another Manic Monday.

773 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:54:40pm

re: #767 Lucius Septimius

Paraphrasing Orwell, opposition to Israel's secure existence is objectively anti-semitic.

774 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:55:44pm

re: #749 Opilio


That's redundant.

I made two boxes of Kraft Macaroni and Will Ferrell comedy tonight for a side dish.

775 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:55:58pm
776 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:56:32pm

re: #774 Mich-again

More cowbell?

777 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:57:30pm
778 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:58:03pm

re: #763 Cognito,

Oh, I have my questions for Israel. The enemy gathers in their thousands to rally against Israel. why is this not the target for multiple cluster bombs?

Yes, I know they bring their kids to the rally. Nevertheless.

That alone is proof of Israel's near suicidal dedication to fighting a humanitarian war.

Why? Certainly not for the good press it gets them.

779 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:58:20pm

re: #772 Cartman

Just another Manic Monday.

I don't like Mondays

780 Alas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:58:31pm

Obama is a very talented politician. That is all he is, as far as we know. The only objective information we have about his positions, since he has not stuck his neck out on anything, he was the most liberal senator based on voting record in 2007. We know a few other facts about him but they just suggest a man who has had a privileged life, has made some highly questionable statements about foreign policy (unilaterally act in Pakistan, meet with Ahmadinejad without conditions, withdraw from Iraq precipitously) and has an Irish mother and absentee Kenyan father (thus, making him a first-generation half-"African-American" with no relationship to the descendants of slaves who suffered in America).

Beyond the hype (that has worked in his favor) and innuendo (more and more unfavorable to him) and scant factoids, we know nothing about the man. So if you remove all that is unreliable in predicting the character and behavior of a person, Obama is basically a complete unknown. Who in the right minds would want a complete unknown in the most powerful and consequential position in the world?

781 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:58:45pm

re: #777 savage_nation

Really explore the studio space this time. I mean really.
I like what I'm hearing.

782 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:59:01pm

re: #765 chubby vegan

re: #761 DesertSage

Hey Sage. What the hell does that quote mean? Never made any sense to me.

I don't really know....but it sounds good.

783 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:59:59pm

Cowbell remix:

784 slgf  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:00:03pm

hmm,

Hopefully BO will contrast the parallel between the half baked ideas of his (dismissed ) advisors and the way the Clinton's lent our USAF to the KLA (Kosovo liberation Army) .

785 CanuckInMI  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:00:16pm

Obama lied, people died!

786 Mich-again  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:00:45pm

re: #780 Alas

Obama is Kerry without the baggage.

787 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:00:46pm
788 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:00:53pm

re: #778 Iron Fist

re: #763 Cognito,

Oh, I have my questions for Israel. The enemy gathers in their thousands to rally against Israel. why is this not the target for multiple cluster bombs?

Yes, I know they bring their kids to the rally. Nevertheless.

That alone is proof of Israel's near suicidal dedication to fighting a humanitarian war.

Why? Certainly not for the good press it gets them.

Cluster bombs in crowds?

Come on, man.

789 Macker  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:01:58pm

re: #729 rawmuse

Vhere are the nuclear wessels?

/Pavel_Andreivitch

790 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:02:36pm

Well Ms. Power wants, or wanted, "intervention" but if Republicans intervene, it is called a war;

And anyway who cares, in politics she's just someone in the background,

& she has the ugly skin color which makes it possible to make mistakes,

But on the other hand she has the correct, smaller genitals which confer wisdom,

/turning off the general insanity.

I hope we are watching the denouement of the Democratic party, it is about time after their conduct in the American Civil War.

791 Tarkus289  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:03:14pm

Obama is bad
Kerry was bad
their wives are both awful.

792 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:03:15pm

Kids won't sleep, but I must. Mom's turn to deal with the chaos for a while.

Night all.

793 JWM  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:03:26pm

Late to the thread.
What strikes me as particularly galling about Powers' statement is that she presumes that Israel would engage in the same kind of unprovoked attacks against the paleos as the paleos regularly commit against Israel. Last I looked, the Israelis haven't indiscriminately lobbed homemade rockets into Gaza, sent suicide bombers into palestinian restaurants, or randomly murdered palestinians just for fun.
She engages the very worst kind of moral relativism- she draws an equivalence where there is none - an equivalence based on an unspoken lie.

JWM

794 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:03:32pm

I can't believe how mellow I am tonight. I don't even care that OC called me a commie. Because, that is just plain wrong. So there. phtttp!

795 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:03:34pm

re: #788 Cognito,

Not crowds. Rallys.

Israel will never do it, but it'd sure put a crimp in Hamas' style.

796 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:03:57pm

re: #792 Lucius Septimius

Goodnight; give Rufus a pat for us.

797 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:05:00pm

re: #788 Cognito

re: #778 Iron Fist

re: #763 Cognito,

Oh, I have my questions for Israel. The enemy gathers in their thousands to rally against Israel. why is this not the target for multiple cluster bombs?

Yes, I know they bring their kids to the rally. Nevertheless.

That alone is proof of Israel's near suicidal dedication to fighting a humanitarian war.

Why? Certainly not for the good press it gets them.

Cluster bombs in crowds?

Come on, man.

Why do you insist upon dissecting everything, everytime you're online? Gets really old. Just sayin'...

798 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:06:11pm
799 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:06:19pm
800 swamprat  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:06:39pm

re: #788 Cognito

re: #778 Iron Fist


re: #763 Cognito,

Oh, I have my questions for Israel. The enemy gathers in their thousands to rally against Israel. why is this not the target for multiple cluster bombs?

Yes, I know they bring their kids to the rally. Nevertheless.

That alone is proof of Israel's near suicidal dedication to fighting a humanitarian war.

Why? Certainly not for the good press it gets them.


Cluster bombs in crowds?
Come on, man.


..CNN says "not so much"

801 blackpajamas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:06:40pm

Barak the Casbah.

802 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:06:47pm

re: #798 song_and_dance_man

Gas music from Jupiter.

803 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:07:02pm

re: #788 Cognito

Cognito, aside from the moral equivalence card here, looking back, were we right in using the 2 atomic bombs in WW2?

I being dead serious.

804 Alas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:08:17pm

re: #786 Mich-again

re: #780 Alas

Obama is Kerry without the baggage.

Obama is Jim Jones without the Elvis sideburns.

805 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:08:20pm

I know it's not politically correct to talk about race in this election, but I think there's some reverse racism going on here.
Seriously, if some white guy with two years experience in the senate decided to run for president, would he have a chance in hell? Would anyone take him seriously?

806 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:08:28pm

re: #803 formercorpsman

I=I'm.

807 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:08:44pm

re: #803 formercorpsman

Yes we were. They ended it. They saved lives on both sides. Read W. Churchill's comments about the bombs in "Triumph and Tragedy". You will see.

808 blackpajamas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:08:48pm

I've got a little story to tell, I was going to post it in the moribund thread, but I'll probably be at the gym then, so lookout below!

809 Opilio  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:09:09pm

re: #789 Macker

re: #729 rawmuse

Vhere are the nuclear wessels?

/Pavel_Andreivitch

Have you accounted for the variable mass of whales and water in your time re-entry program?

810 Cartman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:09:09pm

Well, guess I'm outta here. G'nite, fellow Lizards!

811 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:09:11pm

re: #797 Cartman

I'm not sure what I've dissected, there -- assuming you're talking about cluster bombs -- but whatever.

812 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:09:12pm
813 Macker  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:09:16pm

re: #803 formercorpsman

In a word: Not Just Yes but HELL YES.

814 swamprat  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:09:21pm

re: #788 Cognito
First I'd heard of it. Just googled to see what was out there.....

815 Karridine  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:09:41pm

Opilio, substitute LIME juice for orange juice and YES, has a better 'get over the gag-reflex' quality...

/you put de lime in de coconut, drink it all down...

816 Macker  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:09:45pm

re: #809 Opilio

Admiral! There Be Whales Here!

817 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:10:00pm
818 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:10:39pm

re: #809 Opilio

The music in that movie was awesome.

819 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:10:54pm
820 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:11:06pm

re: #812 buzzsawmonkey
Of course not.

A core snot

821 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:11:46pm

Goodnight.

822 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:12:20pm

re: #803 formercorpsman

re: #788 Cognito

Cognito, aside from the moral equivalence card here, looking back, were we right in using the 2 atomic bombs in WW2?

I being dead serious.

That'll be debated for a long time to come, so I probably won't be able to give a satisfactory answer.

I suppose the finest argument for the first atomic bomb is the second one; the fact that it took two to persuade the Japanese to stop fighting. But that doesn't lessen the horror of the bombs. I think anyone who struts around talking lightly of how good the bombs were is living a childish life.

823 realwest  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:12:31pm

re: #761 DesertSage Hey Sage! If he's gonna go piss up a rope, he better do it soon or the cold will freeze his weenie off!
Although, come to think of it - Hey AL! Hold off on that pissing up a rope thing for another year or two, mkay?!

824 Tarkus289  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:13:14pm

re: #815 Karridine

She put de lime in de coconut, she drank 'em bot' up

...from a lyrics site

825 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:13:20pm

re: #822 Cognito

You cannot talk lightly about them, that is true.

826 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:13:43pm

Well, it was in the 70s here on Saturday, and tonight it's... snowing.

/north texas weather

827 Albertanator  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:13:54pm

I have said it before but I simply cannot understand why anyone on the Right would be gloating about watching Hillary lose to Obama ...

Hillary is awful...Obama is dangerous...for America and for the world...

I would take hillary a thousand times over this radical socialist twit...

And that is saying something considering how bad Hillary is...

828 musicman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:14:05pm

OBAMA TANGLES WITH THE PRESS

Led by the Chicago press corps that has covered Obama for years, the candidate today faced a barrage of questions in what turned out to be a contentious news conference.

Questions centered on why his campaign had denied that a meeting occurred between his chief economic advisor and Canadian officials as well as questions on his relationship with Tony Rezko, a Chicago land developer and fast food magnate, now on trial for corruption charges. ...

Much of the back and forth, though, between reporters and Obama was about his relationship with Tony Rezko, with reporters demanding to know why new details were emerging from the case though Obama and his staff had claimed they had been forthright with all the details.

Obama and Carol Marin, political editor at NBC5 in Chicago and columnist at the Chicago Sun-Times, tangled over how up front Obama had been about Rezko. Obama cut off her line of questioning, saying that Marin’s questions were personally motivated. . .

Toward the end of the press conference, the question of Goolsbee's meeting was raised again. Obama answered curtly and then walked out after a staffer called last question. The press erupted with shouts, but Obama continued to walk out.

He paused only to say, "Come on guys; I answered like eight questions. We're running late.”

On the flight from San Antonio to Dallas, Obama, unsurprisingly, did not wander back to make small talk with the traveling press corps.

When the Going Gets Tough, Obama Gets Going

829 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:14:14pm

re: #803 formercorpsman

I had a talk with a 15 year old kid the other day who thought it was terrible that we used nuclear weapons against Japan.
Then he insisted that we should have used them against Hitler instead.

It took me about two hours to deprogram him.

830 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:14:17pm

re: #800 swamprat

re: #788 Cognito

re: #778 Iron Fist


re: #763 Cognito,Oh, I have my questions for Israel. The enemy gathers in their thousands to rally against Israel. why is this not the target for multiple cluster bombs?

Yes, I know they bring their kids to the rally. Nevertheless.

That alone is proof of Israel's near suicidal dedication to fighting a humanitarian war.

Why? Certainly not for the good press it gets them.


Cluster bombs in crowds?
Come on, man.


..CNN says "not so much"

I'm not sure I see your point... I wasn't questioning Israel, or remarking on anything Israel has done. I was questioning Iron Fist's suggestion.

831 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:14:52pm
832 chubby vegan  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:15:07pm

You know I miss you guys every minute I am asleep. Tonight will not be any different. (Wow, that came out gay).

Please, if its not too much trouble, I beg you, Desert Sage, please find out what the hell "Piss up a rope" means since you are the one who typed it. I've been trying to find it and can't.

I'm going to go and scream myself to sleep now.

833 realwest  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:15:42pm

re: #819 song_and_dance_man

re: #805 DesertSage


I know it's not politically correct to talk about race in this election, but I think there's some reverse racism going on here.
Seriously, if some white guy with two years experience in the senate decided to run for president, would he have a chance in hell? Would anyone take him seriously?

Nader is toast.


I don't know about that. Wasn't John F. Kennedy in his first term as a Senator when his old man bought him he won the 1960 election?!

834 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:16:49pm

re: #832 chubby vegan

It is almost as good as an old insult by Kurt Vonnegut, which went like this:
"Go take a flying f--k at a rolling donut"
It was the only logical thing he ever wrote.

835 chubby vegan  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:17:13pm

re: #834 rawmuse

Oh. Thanks?

836 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:17:33pm

re: #833 realwest

Care to comment on this?

/still seems a bit harsh

837 blackpajamas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:17:35pm

_____...---~==***{ Clash of the Tied Ones }***==~---..._____


Part I:

Now the Hillistines frantically whipped up their forces — for a U.N. mediated, Jimmah approved, it-takes a village, eco-friendly, delegate snatching, liberal slap fight of a brush war even the Silky Pony couldn't resist — and assembled at Texas and Ohio.

Barak and the Obamites congregated their unwashed masses, entitlement accustomed collegiate specimens, hemp-stained medicinal shaman of the one true leaf, and squatted in the Valley of Hope, drawing up their sound bites to meet the Hillistines.

Then, the nespotic* champion named Hilliath, who was from Gall, slithered out of the Hillistine camp, oozing a dripping trail of unsaturated chutzpah and evfluvient low-calorie campaign rhetoric. Her ego was over nine feet tall.

She had a bronze helmet on her head (to contain the swelling), and wore a coat of scale armor made of the Gucci bags of her husband's unearthed conquests, costing many of her donor's shekels; around her legs the bronze pantsuit was uncomfortably splitting, like her underpaid and partially soiled campaign staff, but a huge taxpayer-seeking missle of slung on her back.

Hilliath stood and shouted to the ranks of the Obamanation, "Why do you limp out and campaign for change?! Am I not a Hillistine, and are you not the servants of Barak? Choose a man instead, and have him bow to me.

If he is able to out-vote me, we will become your subjects; but if I overcome him and devour his soul like Rosie O' Donnell skeletonizing a river full of piranha, you will become our subjects and serve us."

Uncupped their ears and recovering from the Hillistine's screetching Yowl — pierceing of their defensive veil of canabis sparked hope — Barak and the Obamites fell to the ground and clutched their federally funded naptime pillows, bored and nearly narcopleptic.

/continued

*nespot = nepotist despot.

838 swamprat  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:17:48pm

re: #788 Cognito Re-read that. I am too tired.
Iron fist, that was deletable not your best comment.

839 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:18:03pm

re: #822 Cognito

re: #803 formercorpsman

re: #788 Cognito

Cognito, aside from the moral equivalence card here, looking back, were we right in using the 2 atomic bombs in WW2?

I being dead serious.

That'll be debated for a long time to come, so I probably won't be able to give a satisfactory answer.

I suppose the finest argument for the first atomic bomb is the second one; the fact that it took two to persuade the Japanese to stop fighting. But that doesn't lessen the horror of the bombs. I think anyone who struts around talking lightly of how good the bombs were is living a childish life.

The question is, how did they compare with an invasion? Consider that such an invasion would have involved continued firebombing of Japanese cities.
War is hell. Some circles of hell are worse than others. Was using atomic bombs worse than the alternatives?

840 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:18:08pm
841 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:19:02pm

re: #805 DesertSage

I know it's not politically correct to talk about race in this election, but I think there's some reverse racism going on here.

There's no such thing. Racism is racism. I do agree that racism is a feature but it's also stupid identity politics. Christians want a Christian candidates, Romney was very popular with Mormons, many women support Hillary just because she's a chick, etc. People are stupid and politics is much more based in charisma and appeal rather than policy and issues.

842 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:19:04pm

re: #830 Cognito,

And I replyed. Do you really think Hamas should be able to hold big rallys with no consequences? That is effectively giving them a free hand.

843 chubby vegan  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:19:05pm

re: #840 song_and_dance_man

Advocating the election of Republicans?

844 Noah's Arrrgh  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:19:22pm

As an offside, the name "Samantha Power" is anagram pay-dirt. I liked Warpath As Omen although Shaman war poet is good too....

845 blackpajamas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:19:37pm

_____...---~==***{ Clash of the Tied Ones }***==~---..._____


Part 2:

The Hillestine continued to bellow. The Obamanation's wisest counselors decided, apparently during a heated sleep-talking debate, that one of them should tell her to shut up, and get out of the way. Fearful of losing any quality nap time, none of them would confront her.

Since Barak was the son of a Kenyan goat herder, with no known ego of his own to sacrifice in verbal battle, he boomed in basso overtones, waking and rosing his mightly slumbering entourage, "What will be done for the man who silences this Hillistine and removes this disgrace from the Democrat Caucus? Who is this establishment stuffed Hillistine that she should defy the voting armies of the living Messiah?"

Then his people replied, "How will you shut-up this Hillistine and shame her into permanent retreat from political voice?; you are only for change, while she has been a rubbed-off on by skilled executive political prowess thrust and then spilt upon her from the first day of her concubinage."

But Barak said unto to his enflamed hemp-rooted base,

"Your servant has been keeping his father's sheep. When a lion or a bear came and carried off a sheep from the flock, I went after it, struck it and rescued the sheep from its mouth. When it turned on me, I seized it by its hair, struck it and mounted it. Your servant has mounted both the lion and the bear; this cackling Hillistine will be like one of them, because he has defied the armies of the living Messiah.

The LORD who delivered me from the paw of the lion and the paw of the bear will deliver the election from the chalk-board worn hands of this Hillistine."

Lo, the righteous Liberal of Texas and Ohio said unto Barak, "Go, and let smugness be with you."

Barak said to the Hillestine, "You come against me with the fire-proof bronze guilded pant-suit of the establishment's lies, but I come against you in the name of the liberal Entitlement Almighty, the gaudiness of the armies of true liberal Hope, whom you have defied!

As the Hillistine stomped closer to devour him, Barak scampered quickly toward the buffet line to meet her. Reaching into his bag of campaign promises, and taking out a smooth, well delivered, slogan, he slung it and tatooed the Hillistine on the weakest spot of her bulging ego.

When the Hillistines saw that their hero was vanquished, they turned and fled, some voting for Nader in lament.

Yeah, verily!

846 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:19:58pm

re: #839 Kosh's Shadow

re: #822 Cognito

re: #803 formercorpsman

re: #788 Cognito

Cognito, aside from the moral equivalence card here, looking back, were we right in using the 2 atomic bombs in WW2?

I being dead serious.

That'll be debated for a long time to come, so I probably won't be able to give a satisfactory answer.

I suppose the finest argument for the first atomic bomb is the second one; the fact that it took two to persuade the Japanese to stop fighting. But that doesn't lessen the horror of the bombs. I think anyone who struts around talking lightly of how good the bombs were is living a childish life.

The question is, how did they compare with an invasion? Consider that such an invasion would have involved continued firebombing of Japanese cities.
War is hell. Some circles of hell are worse than others. Was using atomic bombs worse than the alternatives?

If there were alternatives, then yes. The bombs were worse.

I'm just not sure I see those alternatives.

847 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:20:47pm

re: #832 chubby vegan

Please, if its not too much trouble, I beg you, Desert Sage, please find out what the hell "Piss up a rope" means since you are the one who typed it. I've been trying to find it and can't.

Piss up a rope-
[Link: www.phrases.org.uk...]
[Link: local.google.com...]
[Link: answers.yahoo.com...]

848 realwest  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:21:31pm

re: #840 song_and_dance_man I was responding to this "Seriously, if some white guy with two years experience in the senate decided to run for president, would he have a chance in hell? Would anyone take him seriously?" [emphasis added, realwest]

849 stevieray  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:21:38pm

We had such a good chance for a better world after WWII, but a few key mistakes based on egotism and egghead academic theories bolluxed the whole thing. Its sad, really.

850 musicman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:22:18pm

Oops! Left out the article link.

FirstRead posted: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:58 PM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: 2008, Obama

From NBC/NJ’s Aswini Anburajan

851 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:22:35pm

re: #807 Ojoe

Listen, you don't have to convince me.

I posted in the rhetorical sense, parsing it with the current situation Israel finds herself in.

It seems as if many people in the free world have come to an impasse with respect to dealing with true threats.

Israel has made numerous attempts at trying to make peace with other nations, or supposed nations in waiting, with nothing at best empty promises, and at worse, the expectation by other civilized nations to just accept having rocket fired at their civilian population, and trying to thwart nefarious nations at the negotiating table looking to give nothing, and expect everything.

At what point do we get to, where Israel is allowed to defend herself, with an amount of force necessary to truly eliminate the existential threat?

It is very distressing.

I think if we examine history, there is not any time we can point to, where one side appeasing a threat has ever produced what we would consider success.

At times, I am convinced, the only way to really have any meaningful implication in diverting the status quo, is to unleash the dogs of war, knowing some type of improvement will come out of it.

How can we ask for restraint, when Israel is threatened multiple times a year from a nation who is spinning uranium, against their own agreement to the IAEA?

852 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:22:59pm

re: #846 Cognito

re: #839 Kosh's Shadow

re: #822 Cognito

re: #803 formercorpsman

re: #788 Cognito

Cognito, aside from the moral equivalence card here, looking back, were we right in using the 2 atomic bombs in WW2?

I being dead serious.

That'll be debated for a long time to come, so I probably won't be able to give a satisfactory answer.

I suppose the finest argument for the first atomic bomb is the second one; the fact that it took two to persuade the Japanese to stop fighting. But that doesn't lessen the horror of the bombs. I think anyone who struts around talking lightly of how good the bombs were is living a childish life.

The question is, how did they compare with an invasion? Consider that such an invasion would have involved continued firebombing of Japanese cities.
War is hell. Some circles of hell are worse than others. Was using atomic bombs worse than the alternatives?

If there were alternatives, then yes. The bombs were worse.

I'm just not sure I see those alternatives.

I gave the alternatives - a probably long, bloody invasion, with continued firebombing of Japanese cities, including Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
It appears you prefer the slower death of being burned in a firestorm than the quick death in a nuclear explosion.
I'll pick the nuclear explosion, if those were my choices.

853 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:23:31pm

re: #839 Kosh's Shadow

The question is, how did they compare with an invasion? Consider that such an invasion would have involved continued firebombing of Japanese cities.
War is hell. Some circles of hell are worse than others. Was using atomic bombs worse than the alternatives?

Ignoring the American soldiers that were saved, the atomic
bombs killed fewer Japanese than the planned invasion would have.

854 solomonpanting  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:24:08pm

re: #846 Cognito

If there were alternatives, then yes. The bombs were worse.
I'm just not sure I see those alternatives

One alternative was an island assault. Which would have cost untold lives. Which was unacceptable. Which is why the bombs were delivered. Which is why the Japanese finally surrendered.

855 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:24:25pm

Operation Downfall

The main concern for the Americans was the potential for huge casualty rates. Nearly every senior officer involved in the planning did his own research regarding American casualties – this was based on the experience America had fighting the Japanese since Pearl Harbour.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff estimated that Olympic alone would cost 456,000 men, including 109,000 killed. Including Coronet, it was estimated that America would experience 1.2 million casualties, with 267,000 deaths.

/[Expletive deleted] the unrepentant savages, atomic bomb the [expletive deleted] out of them, not even a tough decision!

856 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:24:57pm

re: #849 stevieray

We had such a good chance for a better world after WWII, but a few key mistakes based on egotism and egghead academic theories bolluxed the whole thing. Its sad, really.

Not only that, but Gen. Lee really should not have ordered Pickett to charge at Gettysburg. That was a big mistake.

857 Alas  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:25:03pm

Obama v. McCain may be close. Obama being a condensation of vapors, and McCain being at least a real three-dimensional and solid entity, one would think it would be a clear choice. But people are looking for a guide to take them by the hands. Obama's savior hype fits in with the revival/renewal strain of American culture, while he seems to have a powerful appeal to multiple demographic groups. So I hope Nader stays. If it's close, Nader could play the same role he did in 2000. Go Nader!

858 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:25:05pm

re: #848 realwest

Hey RW!
I, my friend, have never pissed up a rope! :')

859 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:25:18pm

re: #842 Iron Fist

re: #830 Cognito,

And I replyed. Do you really think Hamas should be able to hold big rallys with no consequences? That is effectively giving them a free hand.

A rally is just a rally, I guess, until somebody loses an eye.

Here's what I mean: Some guy shows up at a rally. Born and raised in Jenin. He's pissed off at Israel. I mean really, really angry. Shaking his fist. Spitting. Yelling.

That guy is not my enemy. He is my political opponent. He is my ideological opposite. He is wrong. But he is not my enemy, and he does not deserve to be bombed.

A second guy shows up. He raises his rifle to his shoulder, and -- bam. He's my enemy.

It's a complicated place. Saying otherwise is just unrealistic.

860 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:25:42pm

re: #840 song_and_dance_man

re: #833 realwest

I don't think Nader was ever as Senator. I thought he made his career as an advocate.

Nader's never held any elective office.

861 realwest  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:25:53pm

re: #836 Killian Bundy I believe in Freedom of Speech (which, as the SCOTUS has ruled on several occasions, includes actions such as burning an American Flag). Frankly I don't know the NYC Criminal Law well enough to comment and have some other constraints about commenting on this particular case, but do not believe he was guilty of anything, but merely "destroying" - that's not the right word, but I'm too tired to think of it right now - a book. I'd personally certainly set that on a par with burning an American Flag as an exercise in freedom of speech.
But yes, I think 300 hours was way too harsh.

862 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:26:06pm

re: #841 Killgore Trout

There's no such thing. Racism is racism.

Damn straight brother. That is one of the very few points I've been able to hammer home with my more moonbatty friends. It's a phrase the must be removed from the modern lexicon, as it is dishonest at it's core.

863 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:26:16pm

re: #853 jaunte

re: #839 Kosh's Shadow

The question is, how did they compare with an invasion? Consider that such an invasion would have involved continued firebombing of Japanese cities.
War is hell. Some circles of hell are worse than others. Was using atomic bombs worse than the alternatives?

Ignoring the American soldiers that were saved, the atomic
bombs killed fewer Japanese than the planned invasion would have.

I agree with you - or you agree with me.
I'm trying to get Cogito to cogitate.

Too bad if I get to bed in the next 15 minutes, I'll get 6 hours sleep, so I'll have to sign off before I have a nice debate.

864 legalpad  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:26:40pm

re: #822 Cognito

I think the primary justification for the bombs was the alternative: 100,000 dead American soldiers, Japanese dead in the millions, primarily by conventional bombing. The operative effect of the bombs was psychological rather than the level of destruction. A conventional bombing and invasion would have been many multiples worse.

865 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:26:44pm
866 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:27:01pm

re: #822 Cognito

I agree. I don't think it should be something that is casually referred to.

But I think as stewards of the free world, the U.S. & Europe, are not correct in expecting what we have demanded of Israel to live with on a daily basis.

I think by doing so, it only increases the chances of playing out that scenario once again.

867 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:27:14pm

re: #863 Kosh's Shadow

We agree. Have a good sleep.

868 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:27:19pm
869 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:28:03pm
870 Cutting Edge  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:28:06pm

re: #311 Lucius Septimius

Agreed.
If Obama wins in November Clinton is out for good. She'd be too old after eight years of BongObama.

With McCain as President she gets another try in 4 years.

CE

871 Tarkus289  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:28:36pm

We always question the morality of the high numbers of casualties that
result from things we may do, or have done, but we must remember that
given the opportunity, our enemies would kill as many Americans as
possible. For instance, if the Twin Towers fell right away, 40,000-50,000
people would have died in 15 minutes. If Japan or Germany got the
bomb first, hundreds of thousands of us would have died. If our current
enemy has their way, millions of us are going to die. War is ugly, just hope
it is uglier for our enemy than it is for us.....

872 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:28:40pm

re: #852 Kosh's Shadow

re: #854 solomonpanting

Yes, that is my point.

There was no alternative to the bombs, really. If there is one that would have saved more lives, then yes, I wish we had used it.

The closest alternative, I guess, would have been to bomb an uninhabited island off Japan's coast. Show 'em the bomb. But that's belied by Japan's refusal to lay down arms in the three days after Hiroshima.

873 realwest  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:29:09pm

re: #858 DesertSage I believe you buddy! No, really I do! LOL!

I'm not feeling too well tonight so I'm gonna be packing it soon - hope you're doing well my friend.

874 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:29:16pm
875 Macker  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:29:16pm

re: #853 jaunte

re: #839 Kosh's Shadow

The question is, how did they compare with an invasion? Consider that such an invasion would have involved continued firebombing of Japanese cities.
War is hell. Some circles of hell are worse than others. Was using atomic bombs worse than the alternatives?

Ignoring the American soldiers that were saved, the atomic
bombs killed fewer Japanese than the planned invasion would have.

Yes, we're talking TENS OF MILLIONS of casualties on both sides.

876 stevieray  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:29:28pm

re: #856 rawmuse

re: #849 stevieray

We had such a good chance for a better world after WWII, but a few key mistakes based on egotism and egghead academic theories bolluxed the whole thing. Its sad, really.

Not only that, but Gen. Lee really should not have ordered Pickett to charge at Gettysburg. That was a big mistake.

Not sure I get the connection... especially since I'm glad the South lost the Civil War...

877 Maximu§  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:30:16pm

re: #573 nyc redneck

re: #554 Maximu§


Its people like Samantha Power that would march us all to the gas chamber without a 2nd thought and then do lunch with her friends, munching on curried Tofu with a side of Spicy Nasoya Noodles.

Ill just keep my powder dry Ms. Power.....


Maximu§
3/11 ACR


i think you're right. she's that detached from reality.
but i think she'll go w/ sushi for lunch.

The Ms. Powers of the world are hard-core Vegetarians and God help you if you light up a cigarette in her vicinity....the Death Squad would swoop down on you before you got to your 5th puff.

878 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:30:47pm

re: #841 Killgore Trout

I agree.

We have strayed so far from the concept of the elder statesman, and have focused-grouped our Republic to death by the persuasion of sound bites.

879 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:31:19pm

re: #871 Tarkus289

We always question the morality of the high numbers of casualties that
result from things we may do, or have done, but we must remember that
given the opportunity, our enemies would kill as many Americans as
possible. For instance, if the Twin Towers fell right away, 40,000-50,000
people would have died in 15 minutes. If Japan or Germany got the
bomb first, hundreds of thousands of us would have died. If our current
enemy has their way, millions of us are going to die. War is ugly, just hope
it is uglier for our enemy than it is for us.....

I know that if had been up to Fidel, I would have gone from ducking and covering under my 5th grade desk to a flash of ash blown away by a Soviet nuke.
/ Thank you Mr. Krushchev for keeping the keys away from that scumbag.

880 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:31:40pm

re: #862 Slumbering Behemoth

That's one of the reasons I really like black conservatives. They're working very hard to eliminate racism in the black community, mostly falling on deaf ears. Things like "affirmative action" are racist policies at their core. There's no two ways about it, it's a policy based on race. I'll even entertain the argument that it is a necessary evil or a worthwhile experiment but there's no doubt that it's racist.

881 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:31:46pm

re: #870 Cutting Edge

re: #311 Lucius Septimius

Agreed.
If Obama wins in November Clinton is out for good. She'd be too old after eight years of BongObama.

With McCain as President she gets another try in 4 years.

Which begs the question- if Obama wins the nomination, will the Clinton's try and sabotage the election so McCain will win...like they did to Kerry in '04?

882 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:31:56pm
883 Iron Fist  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:32:01pm

re: #859 Cognito,

Here's what I mean: Some guy shows up at a rally. Born and raised in Jenin. He's pissed off at Israel. I mean really, really angry. Shaking his fist. Spitting. Yelling.


Two days later he straps on a suicide vest, and walks into a pizza parlor.

You can't know what will happen. They are in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is a target rich environment, without much danger of killing innocents, your example notwithstanding.

Israel won't do it. That is why they are losing this war.

884 realwest  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:32:11pm

re: #868 song_and_dance_man I'm sorry but I really don't understand your reference to the "2005 (D) unConvention", but I'm sure that's my fault - I be tired and not feeling too swell right now.

885 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:32:26pm

Guys: No need for a continued lecture on the bombs in Japan.

I've made my statement about them: They were horrific things, but there was apparently no alternative.

I think we all agree on that.

886 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:32:28pm
887 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:33:11pm

re: #876 stevieray

As long as we are talking about historical screw ups.

888 Cognito  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:33:18pm

re: #882 buzzsawmonkey

re: #872 Cognito

The closest alternative, I guess, would have been to bomb an uninhabited island off Japan's coast. Show 'em the bomb. But that's belied by Japan's refusal to lay down arms in the three days after Hiroshima.

"Showing" a bomb without using it as an offensive weapon telegraphs a failure of will--something that a nation at war cannot afford.

There was, further, no guarantee that an atom bomb dropped from a plane under war conditions would work; the only prior test had been a stationary one, heavily monitored. Plus, there was the small fact that we only had two bombs, though the Japanese did not know that. And it was the second bomb that prompted their surrender.

Yes. Exactly the point I made, as well.

Does no one see that we're all in agreement on this?

889 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:33:24pm

re: #884 realwest

Get some rest, realwest; we'll see you again later one.

890 Tarkus289  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:33:26pm

re: #879 jaunte

We did the under the desk thing, and also, we would go out to the hall
and put our heads in our arms and leaned against our lockers.
I must admit, I felt safer under the desk.

891 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:33:38pm

Or on, as the case may be...

892 Babydoc97  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:33:42pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Hehehe...that got a chuckle from me. Have a great evening.

893 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:33:54pm

Of course, Lord Obama will never drop the bomb.

/had he been CINC in WWII, you might not be here because your father or grandfather might have died assaulting Japan

894 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:34:08pm
895 swamprat  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:34:15pm

re: #865 buzzsawmonkey

And he became a Senator
By defeating Alan Keyes


We gave up Keyes for Obama?
.....shakes head...
.....walks away......

Good night, all.

896 jaunte  Mon, Mar 3, 2008 9:34:22pm

re: #890 Tarkus289

re: #879 jaunte

We did the under the desk thing, and also, we would go out to the hall
and put our heads in our arms and leaned against our lockers.
I must admit, I felt safer under the desk.

I remember looking at the big glass window and thinking, this is just for show, if it hits, we're gone.

897 DesertSage  Mon, Mar 3,