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Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:26:00 am PST

Here’s an excellent piece by Jonathan Tobin on William F. Buckley’s extraordinary effort to expel antisemites like Pat Buchanan and Joseph Sobran from The National Review and the conservative movement: Bill Buckley and the Jews.

Buckley would himself acknowledge that prejudice was a presence in his own home growing up. And as a youngster, Buckley admitted that he was a fan of Charles Lindbergh and his “America First” movement, whose flirtation with anti-Semitism was of a piece with its advocacy of appeasement of Adolf Hitler’s Nazi Germany.

But as National Review took flight in the late 1950s, anti-Semitic writers found themselves on the outside looking in. So, too, did apologists for the extremist John Birch Society.

But despite the fact that his conservatism was one that was informed by his own Catholic faith (something that was consistently made clear in the pages of National Review), Buckley made his journal, and by extension, the movement for which it served as an unofficial bible, off-limits to the anti-Semitism that was commonplace in the world in which he grew up.

Though he didn’t always agree with all of its policies, Buckley was also a consistent supporter of Israel. A staunch anti-Communist, he was also deeply supportive of the movement to free Soviet Jewry at a time when many in this country (including some Jews) were loath to speak out because it might be interpreted as opposition to a policy of detente with Moscow.

Long after he chased the Birchers out of NR, Buckley found himself forced to confront the issue again. When longtime colleagues Pat Buchanan and Joseph Sobran used their bully pulpits on the right to bash Israel and stigmatize Jews for their support for the state, it was again Buckley who took on the haters.

Buckley repudiated Sobran’s writing, which he labeled anti-Semitic, and pushed him off the magazine’s masthead.

As the issue continued to percolate in the aftermath of the Persian Gulf war in December 1991, he devoted an entire issue of the magazine to an essay titled “In Search of Anti-Semitism” (which was also the title of the book he later published on the same subject), in which he took on Buchanan, who was preparing an insurgent run for the White House against the first President Bush.

His conclusion was damning: “I find it impossible to defend Pat Buchanan against the charge that what he did and said during the period under examination amounted to anti-Semitism, whatever it was that drove him to say and do it,” Buckley wrote.

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1 JamesTKirk  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:26:40am

He still has more functional brain cells than they do.

2 apachegunner  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:29:40am

We''ve lost a great one there, he can't be replaced..

3 jcm  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:31:19am
Buckley made his journal, and by extension, the movement for which it served as an unofficial bible, off-limits to the anti-Semitism that was commonplace in the world in which he grew up.

Charles is in good company.

4 threecoloursblue  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:32:03am

re: #2 apachegunner

He can be replaced by anyone with an education, culture and a visceral dislike for hatred.

5 alegrias  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:32:10am

John McCain should do likewise, right now.

6 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:32:13am

re: #2 apachegunner

We''ve lost a great one there, he can't be replaced..

At least he got classical liberalism back up and running as a feasible alternative to the totalitarian left. I refuse to call the left "liberal" since they are anything but liberal. When Buckley started National Review, people thought classical liberalism, that political flavor of Washington, Jefferson, et.al. to be irrelevant.

Thanks again, Mr. Buckley.

7 mj  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:32:27am

Of course Pat Buchanan has found a welcoming home over the MSBNC.

When it comes to hiring antisemites, NBC just can't say no.

8 JamesTKirk  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:33:08am

re: #5 alegrias

John McCain should do likewise, right now.

Kick the antisemites out of his party? Yeah, he should, because the Democratic Party is full of 'em.

9 neoconundrum  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:33:24am

We need leaders and thinkers like William Buckley.

Charles Johnson for President!

10 SpartanWoman  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:33:59am

What an exemplary man.

11 sparrowlake  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:34:18am

Pat Buchanan looks a bissell syphilated lately.

12 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:34:34am

Buchanan should always be on the outside looking in. One reason why I don't listen to Sean Hannity's radio show anymore is because he invites Buchanan on, legitimizing him.

RIP, WFB.

13 Daisy  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:34:48am

Hebe Magazine (irreverent title - witty/fun/bright young magazine) has something to say about Buckley too: [Link: www.heebmagazine.com...]

14 chinesearithmetic  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:37:35am

Buchanan is to commentary what Alec Baldwin is to parenting.

15 TalkinKamel  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:38:16am

Myself, I've always believed that the extreme anti-semetic right and the extreme anti-semetic left have much more in common with each other (read "Liberal Facism") then they do with conservatives and traditionalists.

16 RickZ  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:38:37am

I have a comedy album from way back when which has a verbal boxing match between Buckley and Agnew (he of the 'nattering nabobs of negativism' phrase). Buckley won.

17 realwest  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:39:01am

re: #4 threecoloursblue Sorry to have to disagree with you, but William F. Buckley Jr. simply can't be replaced.
Others can and have followed in his footsteps regarding anti-Semitism, but no one with quite the courage and fortitude (to say nothing about class and style) as did he will pass our way again.
RIP William F. Buckley Jr.

18 victor_yugo  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:40:48am

I remember reading that article. As soon as the next issue came out, I borrowed the issue with the anti-semitism article from the library. With the issue in one hand, and a dictionary in the other, I devoured it with glee.

19 billy hank  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:41:14am

One of the many ways in which he was a brave thinker.

20 Texas Joel  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:42:00am
But despite the fact that his conservatism was one that was informed by his own Catholic faith (something that was consistently made clear in the pages of National Review), Buckley made his journal, and by extension, the movement for which it served as an unofficial bible, off-limits to the anti-Semitism that was commonplace in the world in which he grew up.

NonCatholics often use "despite" in regards to a Catholic's suppression or criticism of anti-Semitism. This is not correct. Our last Pope explicitly reminded all Catholics that it is impossible to be a devout Catholic and to stigmatize the religion of Christ birth or that which was the religion of the Mother of Christ. All Catholics and Christians (whether that is a redundant construction is left as a debate) owe their salvation to the nurturing effects of Judaism and its people.

21 threecoloursblue  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:43:46am

re: #17 realwest

Don't be sorry; I'm not ALWAYS right. But, if I thought that there was never going to be someone with education, culture and a visceral dislike of hatred I'd give up. And by hatred I don't just mean anti-semitism. There's a lot of other hatreds out there.

22 ORD neighbor  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:49:39am

Important lesson about allies in this, for those not interested in being subjugated by, or losing to, jihad in its multifarious forms.

23 Alouette  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:50:01am

re: #13 Daisy

Hebe Magazine (irreverent title - witty/fun/bright young magazine) has something to say about Buckley too: [Link: www.heebmagazine.com...]

Heeb is an ignorant, self-hating, retarded ultra-Leftist rag, like the NY Times, but not as funny.

24 sparrowlake  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:50:42am

re: #15 TalkinKamel

Myself, I've always believed that the extreme anti-semetic right and the extreme anti-semetic left have much more in common with each other (read "Liberal Facism") then they do with conservatives and traditionalists.

Are you suggesting that Moonbats and Nazis should get it on?

25 BrianA  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:50:46am

re: #15 TalkinKamel

Myself, I've always believed that the extreme anti-semetic right and the extreme anti-semetic left have much more in common with each other (read "Liberal Facism") then they do with conservatives and traditionalists.

Thus the Ron Paul appeal.

26 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 9:52:01am
27 lostlakehiker  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:00:23am

re: #12 Ward Cleaver

Buchanan should always be on the outside looking in. One reason why I don't listen to Sean Hannity's radio show anymore is because he invites Buchanan on, legitimizing him.

RIP, WFB.

Buchanan has not only tap-danced with antisemitism. During his abortive quest for the presidential nomination back when, he found himself in a primary contest with then-Senator Phil Gramm for Louisiana's delegates.

His team circulated flyers denouncing Gramm as un-American because, get this---

His wife was ethnic Korean and had been born in Korea.

un-***ing-believable, the effrontery of the man.

28 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:00:27am

Buchanan is charming and intelligent and has a kink in an artery deep in his brain that cuts off the blood flow when he hears the word "Jew" causing him to go all Mr. Hyde. Pity, but I guess we all have our faults.

29 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:04:26am

re: #24 sparrowlake

re: #15 TalkinKamel


Myself, I've always believed that the extreme anti-semetic right and the extreme anti-semetic left have much more in common with each other (read "Liberal Facism") then they do with conservatives and traditionalists.

Are you suggesting that Moonbats and Nazis should get it on?

I would suggest that they are one and the same, but that's just me.

30 psaturn  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:04:44am

I think Mr Buckley is a great man for taking anti semitism out of conservatism. I still have Jewish associates that automatically think conservatism with anti semitism...but when I point out liberalism and anti semitism they claim that is far left...not moderates...

Okaaay...one even thought Kos was far left...

31 sparrowlake  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:05:56am

re: #28 itellu3times

Buchanan is charming and intelligent and has a kink in an artery deep in his brain that cuts off the blood flow when he hears the word "Jew" causing him to go all Mr. Hyde. Pity, but I guess we all have our faults.

I beg to differ.
I do not find him charming at all.
He is a bigot through and through.
And he is an ugly little shit to boot.

32 Wisenheimer  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:10:04am

re: #12 Ward Cleaver

Buchanan should always be on the outside looking in. One reason why I don't listen to Sean Hannity's radio show anymore is because he invites Buchanan on, legitimizing him.

RIP, WFB.

That goes for Laura Ingraham, too. I wish she didn't give him air time.

33 opinionated  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:19:06am

Not all anti Semites are out of the Republican Party. Some even hold important offices and do great damage.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

On the other hand credence is given that it is not anti Semitism, it may be just a case of being ignorant incompetant knaves and fools.

34 Killer Tomato  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:20:28am

re: #27 lostlakehiker

re: #12 Ward Cleaver


Buchanan should always be on the outside looking in. One reason why I don't listen to Sean Hannity's radio show anymore is because he invites Buchanan on, legitimizing him.

RIP, WFB.


Buchanan has not only tap-danced with antisemitism. During his abortive quest for the presidential nomination back when, he found himself in a primary contest with then-Senator Phil Gramm for Louisiana's delegates.

His team circulated flyers denouncing Gramm as un-American because, get this---

His wife was ethnic Korean and had been born in Korea.

un-***ing-believable, the effrontery of the man.

Jay Severin delights in talking about his work on Buchanan's presidential campaign, and can't say enough good stuff about the man. A pity, but it's a big reason why I no longer listen to Jay, and I used to, if you'll pardon the phrase, religiously.

35 nikis-knight  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:26:44am

re: #24 sparrowlake

re: #15 TalkinKamel


Myself, I've always believed that the extreme anti-semetic right and the extreme anti-semetic left have much more in common with each other (read "Liberal Facism") then they do with conservatives and traditionalists.

Are you suggesting that Moonbats and Nazis should get it on?

I think he's suggesting that you could have a moonbat and a fascist get it on with only one person in the room. ;)

36 Daisy  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:28:16am

re: #23 Alouette

re: #13 Daisy

Hebe Magazine (irreverent title - witty/fun/bright young magazine) has something to say about Buckley too: [Link: www.heebmagazine.com...]
Heeb is an ignorant, self-hating, retarded ultra-Leftist rag, like the NY Times, but not as funny.

Did you read the article? The responses are thought provoking. W/ this article on Buckley, Hebe is reaching an audience otherwise secluded in Leftydom.

Personally, I like the music coverage. Heeb reviewed/interviewed my kid's band and gave him a Huge Thumbs Up :) / then again, conservative rags don't review an awful lot of Rock and Roll . Charles does some good music reviewing here .. but LGF, I'm sure we can agree, is no rag.

37 Ajax  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:36:29am

Buckley also made some effort to expel Ayn Rand from the Conservative movement, though Rand never made any pretense to wanting in. His National Review published a lovely review of Atlas Shrugged in which the reviewer suggested that Rand's novel was an exhortation to send the "inferior" folk to a gas chamber, among other things.

Yeah, he was smart and witty, but being an Objectivist, I'll never forgive Buckley or the National Review for that smear.

One day, people will realize that capitalism and christianity are not part of some conceptual package deal. Buckley worked very hard to keep that from happening, and he was obviously very threatened by Rand's contrary view.

38 bat boy  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:46:40am

re: #37 Ajax

Interesting point. I never knew the history there as a big fan of both Buckley and Rand.

To the article above, Charles, it just shows you have put yourself in good company.

39 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:49:17am

re: #32 Wisenheimer

re: #12 Ward Cleaver

Buchanan should always be on the outside looking in. One reason why I don't listen to Sean Hannity's radio show anymore is because he invites Buchanan on, legitimizing him.

RIP, WFB.

That goes for Laura Ingraham, too. I wish she didn't give him air time.

Well, Sean gives air time to race baiters like Al Sharpton, too. He'd probably say he's a journalist, and just because he talks to someone doesn't mean he endorses their viewpoint.

40 bald headed geek  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:50:00am

A man of incredible, unshakeable and unmatched integrity. 'Nuff said.

BHG

41 bald headed geek  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:51:21am

re: #39 Dar ul Harb

MSNBC absolutely adores Pitchfork Pat, Chris Matthews practically drools whenever he is a guest on the show. Then again, they do share a common antipathy towards Israel.

BHG

42 marcusa  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:52:17am

Hmm,

Speaking of the Moonbats getting it on w/the Nazis:
Moore & Duke Wed

[Link: bloggerbeer.blogspot.com...]

43 marcusa  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:54:03am

Ajax,

Rand worked hard to split capitalism from Christianity, I have yet to see evidence of Buckley doing so.

Ayn had some good ideas but in the end her legacy is more cultish than anything else.

44 marcusa  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:55:21am

Oh,

I see you are arguing Rand's case that Christianity and Capitalism have no connection.

45 Glen Wishard  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 10:58:23am

Ajax:

being an Objectivist, I'll never forgive Buckley or the National Review for that smear.

The article you refer to was written by Buckley's friend Whittaker Chambers. There was no conspiracy to smear Rand, or expel her from anything.

Chambers was a former Soviet agent (with Alger Hiss) who gave up communism when he converted to Christianity. He knew a little something about what real evil looks like. Above all, he was a writer, and you have to understand that Atlas Shrugged is a very difficult book for a writer to like.

Buckley didn't agree with Rand either, but he got along with her better than many of her Objectivist disciples did. If you're going to be an Objectivist, you should examine some more evidence.

46 Bill Dalasio  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 11:02:00am

re: #37 Ajax

Yeah, he was smart and witty, but being an Objectivist, I'll never forgive Buckley or the National Review for that smear.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I hope you see the cognitive dissonance in faulting Buckley for "drumming out" the Objectivists from the conservative movement followed immediately by an attempt to drum out Christians from supporters of capitalism.

47 Ajax  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 11:16:13am

re: #45 Glen Wishard

Chambers' history makes no difference to his review of Atlas Shrugged. Do you agree with him that:

From almost any page of Atlas Shrugged, a voice can be heard, from painful necessity, commanding: "To a gas chamber — go!"

I don't, and moreover, I think that is a disgusting thing to say.

In fact, I find the whole review disgusting. It's still proudly displayed on the NRO site, check it out if you like.

And Bill, no cognitive dissonance here. Maybe you should re-read my post, I merely stated that the two concepts are not inextricably linked.

48 Ajax  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 11:25:49am

re: #45 Glen Wishard

you have to understand that Atlas Shrugged is a very difficult book for a writer to like.

I'm afraid I don't have to understand that, in fact I don't understand it at all. But its the kind of statement typical of Rand's detractors; I imagine you sneered as you typed it?

49 Joel  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 11:32:09am

Joseph Sobran was and remains a particulary Julius Streicher/Joseph Goebbels type of Jew hater. Buckely deserves credit for getting rid of him. Sobran is also a frequent speaker at the Holocaust denying Institute for Historical Review. Sobran's Jewish obsession

50 salt1907  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 11:54:56am

I am a supporter of Israel (and I disagree with Sobran and Buchanon on those issues), but Buckley did more than purge those guys from the magazine. He also refused to defend Russell Kirk, he purged the Randians, Willmoore Kendall, and many of his original supporters. The JBS was never guilty of anti-semitism. Those issues should never be confused.

51 marcusa  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 12:02:08pm

Ajax, you whiff horribly on the gas chamber reference. In any event, isn't that a consequence of Ayn's materialistic philosophy? The unable have no right or expectation of assistance from the able? That anything the able provide only if they want a "warm fuzzy" but otherwise to heck with the unable?

52 TalkinKamel  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 12:02:46pm

#46 Bill Dalsio

As I recall, Rand herself was pretty good with drumming people out of her movement.

53 TalkinKamel  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 12:07:06pm

#24 Sparrowlake & #25 BrianA

Unfortunately, the far Left and the Right already seem to be "getting it on"---at least when it comes to their anti-semetism, hatred of America and hero-worship for would-be dictators (yes, Brian, I think that explains Paul's appeal exactly!)

Myself, I wish they'd both FOAD.

54 inmypajamas  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 12:23:16pm

#49 Joel

I did not know that about Sobran. I have read some of his writing over the years but it never touched on Israel, so that may be why. I know that I have never cared much for his analyses because they reflect a dark, angry pessimism that I just don't share and now, with this information on his anti-Semitism, I have even less reason to read his work.

#37 Ajax

One day, people will realize that capitalism and christianity are not part of some conceptual package deal.

Actually, capitalism was developed and has flourished under Christianity and its influence. Enforced atheism seems to be the fellow traveler of totalitarian regimes. That kind of track record is what keeps Ayn Rand's views from gaining a much larger audience.

55 DhimmiMoore  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 12:33:35pm

What did Buchanan say that is anti-semitic?

Michael Savage invites Buchanan on regularly. Hannity. Ingraham. Who else is going to be silenced by Charles as he prunes his site of anyone who disagrees with his narrow view of conservatism?

Buckley hated the Randians, the Birchers, and even spoke out AGAINST the Iraq war...ruh-roh! PURGE HIM PURGE HIM PURGE HIM!

56 DhimmiMoore  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 12:38:19pm

One such occurrence of Buckley claiming Iraq has failed is the article "It Didn't Work":

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

"One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed."

57 Athos  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 12:44:13pm

re: #3 jcm

Buckley made his journal, and by extension, the movement for which it served as an unofficial bible, off-limits to the anti-Semitism that was commonplace in the world in which he grew up.

Charles is in good company.

The message from Buckley's actions is not to just stand up against the anti-semitism of the far right that attempts to leach onto the conservative movement for legitimization, but to also stand up against the fascist and racist elements of the far right. This is the battle that is being fought mainly in Europe (but also here with Stormfront / David Duke, etc) as the white nationalist fascist parties and leaders seek legitimization by fighting a shared enemy (islamofascism).

58 Ajax  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 1:38:28pm

re: #54 inmypajamas

Actually, capitalism was developed and has flourished under Christianity and its influence. Enforced atheism seems to be the fellow traveler of totalitarian regimes. That kind of track record is what keeps Ayn Rand's views from gaining a much larger audience.

You will find, actually, that the vast majority of totalitarian regimes through history have relied on religion to maintain power. I'm sure you're aware of the whole middle east situation, right? Of course, I don't go blaming religion when I see an islamofascist dictator, and if you or Bill Buckley see fit to blame atheism for Soviet Russia, that's your mistake.

59 pelayo  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 2:09:33pm

I am no expert but Ayn Rand's view of capitalism strikes me as accepting a bad, leftist parody of the free market. The leftists say capitalism is about selfishness and greed, and the objectivists basically answer - "sure-and so what?"

Her opposition to Christianity was probably because its ethos is based an agape - an unselfish concern for others, while she saw capitalism as exalting self-interest.

Buckley intelligently saw that this was no way to sell the free enterprise system, and including objectivism in the NR conservative alliance would cause Christian conservatives to bolt...

60 pelayo  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 2:14:23pm

#58 Ajax

Religious regimes have done some terrible things, and anti-religious regimes (Soviet Russia, Maoist China,Pol Pot,etc..) have done even worse things. The 20th century was among the least religious and among the most bloody.

These facts say more about human nature than about religion.

61 pelayo  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 2:16:45pm

#50 Salt1907

I like Russell Kirk quite a bit. I hadn't know he ever had a fight with Buckley. You have any info on that?

62 thepresenceusmc  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 2:50:29pm
But as National Review took flight in the late 1950s, anti-Semitic writers found themselves on the outside looking in. So, too, did apologists for the extremist John Birch Society.

What? Comparing Birchers to anti-semites is a little...odd. Anti-communism doesn't make you anti-semitic, just as conservatism doesn't. Sure, some are fringe weirdos who espouse such nutball causes, but that isn't the entire membership.

I left JBS a while ago, though I always thought they were too passive, but the ones I met were anti-socialist letter-writers, not jackboots. Buckley did some great things, but kicking Birchers to the curb was one of his less-respectable actions.

Lionizing him over his supposed crusade against bigotry is similarly amusing. That he kicked the anti-semites out was good, but it doesn't make him a "hero," just a smart business owner. It was his magazine, after all, and it wasn't as though he staged a coup that purified conservatism as a whole. It was a good editorial position, but it is rather exaggerated in these fawning obituaries. After all, Pat Buchanan and Sobran are still in circulation.

63 bubbalouey  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 4:30:56pm

re: #62 thepresenceusmc


Lionizing him over his supposed crusade against bigotry is similarly amusing. That he kicked the anti-semites out was good, but it doesn't make him a "hero," just a smart business owner. It was his magazine, after all, and it wasn't as though he staged a coup that purified conservatism as a whole. It was a good editorial position, but it is rather exaggerated in these fawning obituaries. After all, Pat Buchanan and Sobran are still in circulation.

Claiming that WFB's motivation for taking a stand against antisemitism was merely a business decision rather than a matter of his personal morality which manifested itself throughout his entire philosophy is neither amusing, clever or accurate, but seems to this reader, rather dishonest.
Do you have any reason to suppose that WFB was in anyway inconsistent concerning this position?

Why shouldn't Buchanan and Sobron still be in circulation? WFB did not seek to remove them from public life, only to marginalize anti-Semites as representatives of classical liberalism. Seems he attained reasonable success in this endeavor.

64 Glen Wishard  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 6:05:01pm

Ajax:

I'm afraid I don't have to understand that, in fact I don't understand it at all. But its the kind of statement typical of Rand's detractors; I imagine you sneered as you typed it?

No, I was not sneering. I was trying to be tactful. Tact having failed, let me be blunt.

I admire many things about Ayn Rand. I think the world is more interesting place because she lived in it. And I thought Gary Cooper was great in The Fountainhead. Okay? And I won't dwell on her failures as a philosopher or a person - for the purposes of this argument, I will assume no such failures existed.

Having said all of that, I must go on to say that Atlas Shrugged just plain sucks. As in a poorly written novel populated by poorly imagined characters, with such a poor sense of realism that it can't be taken as anything but a fable. And that has nothing to do with a judgment of the book's message or the book's tone - it's possible to write a very good book with any kind of message or tone. That's just not what she did.

As for Chambers' "gas chamber" analogy, I will note that in the book the heroine shoots a man dead for the capital crime of being confused, and there is a notorious chapter in which the author explains in detail why each victim of a train accident deserved to die.

I wouldn't put it the way Chambers did. I think the moral of this story is "Never write bad science fiction when you're angry."

65 sparrowlake  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 6:20:58pm

re: #55 DhimmiMoore

I assume that is a rhetorical question, and that you ask it because you are looking for a fight. If you want a fight about whether Pat (the Jews control the government) Buchanan is an antisemite, then I have a suggestion.
Stick your head up your ass and fight for air.

66 thepresenceusmc  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 6:25:37pm
Why shouldn't Buchanan and Sobron still be in circulation? WFB did not seek to remove them from public life, only to marginalize anti-Semites as representatives of classical liberalism. Seems he attained reasonable success in this endeavor.


Well, we can both agree that they stopped spreading such nonsense through the National Review, at least. He wasn't inconsistent on that, per se, but idolizing him for such a decision when it was his to make seems outlandish.

For instance, if I changed the columnists of my newspaper to agree with the values of the readership, I have made a wise, market-driven decision. This doesn't make me a crusader or a reformer.

67 bubbalouey  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 7:43:08pm

I don't believe that anyone is or should be idolizing him for the decision, but for having managed to achieve the effect of seperating the wheat from the chaff.
Establishing classical liberalism as being something that in its true form is not at one with extremism and antisemitism is one of the things people are thankful to WFB for.

You continue to imply that WFB did these things as a marketing ploy rather than for reasons of propriety, i.e. decency and correctness. Can you present any reasonable evidence that he projected these values for any motive other than he held these views as belonging to his own personal core values and considered them to have their place among the highest and purest of reasons?

68 salt1907  Sat, Mar 8, 2008 7:22:33am

#61 Pelayo

"I like Russell Kirk quite a bit. I hadn't know he ever had a fight with Buckley. You have any info on that?"

I don't know much about it, but I read that Midge Decter publicly accused Kirk of anti-semitism in the 1980's. National Review said nothing in Kirk's defense and later entered into some affiliation with Decter. Kirk was quite disillusioned with NR at the time of his death.

69 Ajax  Sat, Mar 8, 2008 7:28:05am

re: #64 Glen Wishard

You wouldn't put it the way Chambers did. Does that mean you think he is wrong? Or do you believe that the two passages you provide (stripped of context), which have nothing to do with politics anyway, are all the evidence Chambers needs to convict Rand of promoting a fascist state that mass murders its citizens? Your post isn't clear, despite the fact that you are apparently a spokesman for writers. It's probably a sublety that I cannot fathom.

70 pelayo  Sat, Mar 8, 2008 8:15:49am

#68 Salt1907

Thanks for the info. I don't think Kirk was anti-Semitic - in his Roots of the American Order he gives great praise to the historical achievements of Jews.

He had some reservations about neoconservativism though he also recognized their positive points. I think the basic issue was really tradition vs. modernity - for Kirk conservativism was about preserving traditional culture against what he saw the deforming effects of modernity he looked back somewhat nostalgically to the Christian civilization of old, and felt a bit uncomfortable about many elements of modernity - the leveling of social hierarchy, secularism, collectivist ideology, technology, rapid change, urban life, etc...

The Neoconservative movement on the other hand generally felt at home in the modern world of democratic capitalism and didn't look so much to the past. As Michael Gerson noted their origins were in the liberal anti-communists of the 1950's. By the 1960's the left had become so radicalized that simply by retaining the same views about Communism, defending liberty abroad, the importance of patriotism, etc... Liberal anti-Communists were perceived as essentially conservatives.

There was a basic difference in outlook but I think Kirk also recognized the contributions of neoconservatives to the movement as a whole.

71 salt1907  Sat, Mar 8, 2008 12:57:53pm

Pelayo

I agree. I am sure Kirk was not anti-semitic. I think he was one of many victims in a decades long witchhunt. Many of those purged from NR were not antisemitic. Ayn Rand was of Jewish origin (even though she was not a believer). The JBS was not anti-semitic. That term has become so vague it is impossible to define and therefore impossible to refute. The conservative movement has suffered because of it.

Disagreements on policy should not translate into accusations of anti-semitism. Otherwise, anyone who refuses to vote for Obama will be seen as racist. As we get closer to November, we will see this phenomenon pop up more and more. Any attack on Obama will be seen as a racist attack, even if we criticize him solely for policy reasons.


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