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Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 9:05:24 am PDT

Drudge Report has the transcript of Barack Obama’s speech, and it was just as weak as you thought it would be. Amazingly, Obama is sticking with the “cherry-picking” defense.

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright’s comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems – two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, that isn’t all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God’s work here on Earth – by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

That would be the AIDS created and given to them by the CIA, according to Rev. Wright.

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1 Charles  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 9:12:16am

We're getting a huge surge of traffic this morning and the hamsters are struggling to keep up. Hang in there, it will subside in a little bit.

2 Dianna  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:30:39am

I've been trying to get in for the last hour!

Maybe it's just you and me, Charles?

3 vapig  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:30:43am

Wow! I didn't think I'd ever get back on! Thank you, Sir Charles, for feeding the hamster!

4 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:31:49am

Exactly what I expected- NOTHING BUT EXCUSES!

5 abolitionist  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:32:02am
6 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:32:52am

I've got a T1 line, and it took me about 4 minutes to get here.

7 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:33:10am

My take on the speech:

I think that it was a great speech.
A great speech, a terrifying speech.
He believes in all of Wright's hateful rhetoric. He just says it better. Calmly, not ranting.
He's just saying we all have someone to hate. Blacks hate whites for keeping them down. Whites hate the corporations for sending jobs overseas.
He can unite us, unite us in hatred of the system; hatred of America.
He did say, G-d damn America, if you listened carefully enough.
He just hid it really well.

He played a whole deck of race cards while saying we shouldn't.

He's a wolf in sheep's clothing, a silver-tongued orator you don't realize is orating, wrapping his audience around his little finger - if you don't think.
And his delivery makes it harder to think. I had to keep my mind going to keep from being hypnotized.
Obama believers had no chance.

Yes, he wants change – a revolution, really. His complete slogan is
“Yes, we can stick it to the Man!”

He's dangerous.

8 charlie martel  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:34:16am

Hmmm. Nope. I'm still not voting for Obama.

9 engrpat  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:34:27am

The best I can make of his speech is: "It's the white mans fault." He would have been better served if he took on the problems in his community but he can't do that.

10 The Falcon  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:34:56am

If he didn't talk about liberal white guilt, then he didn't talk about race in America.

11 Dianna  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:35:28am

He didn't address the real issue. He just blamed whites for having a problem with Wright's behavior.

12 Charles  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:36:03am

Huge surge of traffic this morning from several high volume sites. Overwhelmed the poor little hamsters.

Could happen again. Load's still really high.

13 mosquewatch  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:36:06am

Obama did not address his Muslim upbringing and schooling.
He did not speak to his support of his Kenyan Muslim politician cousin who recently lost his attempt to be Kenyan President.

He did not speak to his bonding with Muslims if they are offended at any point in America. He declared that when writing in “Audacity” how he was saddened to witness Muslims mistreated following 9 / 11.

He did not speak to Jeremiah Wright’s alliance with such Islam causes as Nation of Islam and their leaders such as Louis Farrakhan.
He did not speak to his wife’s recent come-upon in being “proud” in being an American, the pride coming about finally when her husband was making political success. What was her attitude toward America prior?

14 iceman1960  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:36:18am

Flowery speech about being a victim. Typical lib.
He said nothing but he said it well.

15 GGMac  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:36:19am

I was born a victim, I was raised a victim, and victim I will remain.

Y'all can now get on your racist knees and kiss my effin' ring.

/about sums it up.

16 Empire1  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:36:49am

re: #1 Charles

Thanks for the info, Charles -- I was starting to get frustrated at not being able to get on.

As for the speech, I heard some of it ... about what I'd expected, I'm afraid. He didn't repudiate Wright, so I have a bad feeling that race is going to start playing a much too important role in the rest of the primary season, and maybe the general as well. I hope I'm wrong on that!

-- Ann

17 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:37:15am

re: #7 Kosh's Shadow

" He is Dangerous"---"Till this day, I never knew it was Obama all along"
For the first time in my life I am actually rooting for Hilliary. Even thought I think Obama would be easier to beat in the general election, he is to dangerous to even take that chance.

18 X-ray  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:37:56am
a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another

As long as your black (Whitey don't get no love).

19 doppelganglander  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:38:14am

You're back! I've been in withdrawal!

Well, to continue with the diving metaphor, the degree of difficulty on this maneuver was at least a 3, but I thought it was a belly flop.

20 tupac23x  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:38:18am

He was for chickens coming home to roost before he was against it.

21 sparrowlake  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:38:21am

re: #1 Charles

Just logged on. It took me 7 tries to open the home page. It was also very slow opening this thread. Just thought you might want to know.

22 chedub  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:38:52am

"I can no more disown him [Rev. Wright] than I can my white grandmother,”

And he's done everything possible to try to disown her and any of his white heritage.

23 yochanan  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:39:17am

liberals will buy it BECAUSE OF THERE LIBERAL GUILT. just wondering how middle america will deal with this load of dung

B (REDACTED) O can talk flies off a pile of dung

24 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:39:29am
Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

He knows what happens when you disagree with your imam.

25 cblesz  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:39:48am

What a load of horsecrap! I am sure the MSM is just ecstatic over the speech. Nothing new...Obama---blame everyone else including talk radio. He can denounce his words all he wants...but denounce the man. What a jerk.

26 NoSubmission  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:40:04am

re: #22 chedub

"I can no more disown him [Rev. Wright] than I can my white grandmother,”

And he's done everything possible to try to disown her and any of his white heritage.


Stick a fork in him... he's done.

27 Czarny_Smok  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:40:28am

Let me get this straight, Obama listened to Wright preach for 20 years, but didn't know what he said? Now after 20 years he disavows what Wright stated? Color me confused...

Gad are we sure this is not a Moslum "church", sure is strating to sound like one?

28 beens21  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:41:01am

I thought he took a cheap shot at his white grandmother who raised him in Hawaii and at Ferraro.

29 cblesz  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:41:52am

Gee, Mr. Obama...no mention of the lifetime achievement award that the great man jeremiah Wright gave to Louis Farrakahn? Hmmm?

30 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:42:18am

I doubt I'm the only one who noticed this.
Didn't he say repeatedly last week that he did not hear the vile statements of the Rev? ..that he wasn't there? ..wasn't present?
I thought I heard him say this morning that he did hear them .. he was present ..but disagreed. Did he lie last week? That's not a problem though ..is it?
I understand.

31 BLUESTAR  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:42:44am

He couldn't put the genie back in the bottle. He's finished, and this will dog him through November. And when his supporters tell you that he did, ask them if they'd attend a church like this. If my Rabbi went into rants like this, I'd be out the door.

I jumped on my Rabbi last week for saying that the murdered yeshiva students in Jerusalem were "lost". Lost? Sorry Rabbi, they were butchered.

32 shibumi  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:42:46am

Not sure if the speech was terribly productive. The Wright sermons are so damaging, that any voter with a religious affiliation who was undecided will remain unconvinced by Obama's platitudes and weak explanations.

As for the Obama Faithful, well, they could find him in bed with a dead white transvestite hooker with a bloody knife in his hand, hopped up on goofballs, and it still wouldn't matter, since he's The Chosen One.

33 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:43:54am
– by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

I thought Osama bin Laden did that?!?

/according to patty murray

34 mama winger  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:43:59am

re: #30 unrealizedviewpoint

My guess is that there is evidence out there placing him at the scene of the crimes, and he wants to get ahead of it. Pre-emptive damage control.

35 BuddyG  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:44:09am

Yeah, cherry picking, like the "political wing" of Hamas.

36 ArcherB  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:44:41am
...and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God’s work here on Earth – by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

How does blaming whitey help those suffering from HIV/AIDS? How does blaming whitey help with the drug problems in America, especially among the black community? Why not take responsibility for your own actions so that you can fix them yourselves. If whitey caused it, only whitey can fix it. Shouldn't you be working on fixing the problems yourselves and stop looking to me to fix it for you?

37 coquimbojoe  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:44:43am

Hey whoever keeps kicking the plug out of the back of LGF better knock it off!

38 irongrampa  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:44:44am

I never heard such a compendium of feel-good, sideslipping bullshit in my life.

39 Rednek  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:44:52am

Going OT

Red Army Choir sings "Sweet Home Alabama"

I can't view it now so someone tell me if it is any good.

40 madmax517  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:44:53am

re: #5 abolitionist

I guess I am in an alternative universe here at LGF as it appears that the videos and words at U Tube site are overwhelmingly praising this demogogue..."Great speech", "Our next President". Is this how the lamestream media will depict more deception, inveigling and obfuscation? Is Chrissie "I squat to pee" Matthews getting that tingling in his leg again? And how does Keith Oberdufus feel? I need to check on how Helen Thomas feels about the Messiah.

41 mama winger  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:45:29am

I could be wrong, but I think Obama won this round. I say he skates on this.

42 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:45:47am

But the truth is, that isn’t all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God’s work here on Earth – by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

"Rezmar Corp".

43 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:46:13am

I get it: It's my fault.

Next.

.

44 NoSubmission  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:46:17am

Here's a question:

If Rev. Wright 'brought Obama to Jesus', then where was he before?

45 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:46:19am

Lets see if I can sum up Obama's speech:

Slavery
Slavery
Slavery
Jim Crow
Glass Ceiling
The Black Experience®
Slavery
Slavery
Change*
"Free" Healthcare
Hope
More Hope
Slavery
Hurricane Katrina
Global Warming
Slavery
More Jim Crow
More "Free" Healthcare
More Hope
More Change

Nope. Nothing divisive here.

* "America can change. That is true genius of this nation."
There is loving one's country (while accepting that there are blemishes), and only loving what the country isn't but could become. Once again, Obama says there's nothing wrong with America that can't be fixed by changing what America is. This is the leftist definition of "patriotism".

46 coquimbojoe  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:46:33am

re: #38 irongrampa

I never heard such a compendium of feel-good, sideslipping bullshit in my life.

So, you liked it?

47 norar  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:47:11am

Can anybody still claim that Obama wants national unity, or that he does not play black card? What a joke.

I guess MSM will stick to this fable.

48 blame canada  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:47:18am

Charles- good to have you back!
As for barack, one word: Feh!

49 moshavnik  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:49:08am

Funny how how he didn't mention anything about Rev. Wright blaming Israel for 9/11. It's always nice to have a little anti-semitism mixed in with you hatred of whites in general. Americans be careful of this snake, if he gets elected the country is in big trouble

50 dahveed  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:49:30am

I wish Obama and his followers would try to understand this. This has nothing to do with race for many of us. Many of us on the right couldn't care less about your race so long as you protect this country. This discussion has to do with judgment. Do you have the judgment to pick the best people to advise you in order to do your job? Without an actual record, we have to base your qualifications on something. Having a poor record of selecting advisors reflects on you. If your advisors have a poor record reflects on you as well. If you have people working for you that put up a flag with Che on it, should we not think that reflects something about you? You may not be responsible for everybody around you or everything that happens. But you must accept responsibility as their leader.

In addition to your judgment, we need to evaluate your choices. We are told that we as Americans have other choices when we don't like something we hear. If Rev. Wright made statements you didn't like, you could have gone to another church. You chose to stay at that church. That's fine. You have that option as an American. But we also have a choice to evaluate your choices as part of your qualifications to be president.

This has been turned into a race issue rather than the other issues that are part of this.

51 snowcrash  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:49:45am

Glad to get back in!
A very clever orator. A politician who "rises above all race and politics" but uses it to advance his own career. Eloquent hypocrite.

52 kirche  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:49:55am

like i said yesterday (as if any of you would remember), obama and the msm will spin out of this by saying... anything... and that will be good enough for most. and if this were the proverbial kitchen sink, then it was thrown far too early in the race; this will be long forgotten by november.

53 BrianA  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:49:58am

re: #29 cblesz

Gee, Mr. Obama...no mention of the lifetime achievement award that the great man jeremiah Wright gave to Louis Farrakahn? Hmmm?

There's not a bit of difference between Wright and Farrakahan. There's not a bit of difference between TUCC and NOI. It's all about Black Liberation Theology. BO knew it when he joined and he believes it know.

54 bulwrk  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:50:02am

re: #39 Rednek

I can't view it now so someone tell me if it is any good.

creepy yet funny.

55 Cognito  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:50:03am

Unfortunately I think he may have pulled it off, the double back flip. It was an astonishing thing to watch.

The speech will salve the consciences of the people who want to believe in Obama; it will stifle many critics who will be afraid of appearing petty; and maybe most incredibly it may win over detractors who will find appeal in Obama's couterintuitive embrace of Rev. Wright: a radical "honesty" that's unfamiliar in American politicians.

Not everybody will go for it, of course. People who were well and truly set against him will keep up criticism, but he has blunted the tip of the critical sword.

A shocking thing to behold. Truly. And frightening.

56 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:50:18am

Suddenly, the flags returned...

57 NY Nana  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:50:38am

re: #28 beens21

That was, I think, the last straw. Shrill must be smirking and cackling in glee.

58 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:50:41am

So when does Hillary takes the gloves off?

59 NoSubmission  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:50:49am

I can't be the only person who doesn't think much of Obama's oratory skills.
Frankly, his condescending affectations are wretchedly uncomfortable to listen to AND he bores the hell out of me.

60 Catttt  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:50:57am

Senator Obama's speech was a combination of trite, boring, and disingenuous.

Also, and this is my personal opinion - I personally found the "Ashley's mom has cancer" portion insulting. I'm a cancer survivor and empathize with people who've had or have it. It's not a political issue for me. I've never used it to curry sympathy and stopped people who want to feel sorry for me. My company was incredibly supportive - I left work two hours early for eight weeks to go to treatment sessions. My work would have let me take all that time off, but I felt fine and didn't need to.

My insurance paid the bills, minus my copay. I have excellent insurance via work and don't want to give it up and pay more so that the government can take over the insurance situation and raise my taxes while my coverage goes down the tubes, tyvm.

61 Dianna  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:51:07am

re: #32 shibumi

Even those of us without a religious affiliation are unconvinced. And I very much doubt if Wright speaks for very much of the "black community."

OK, there are days on the T line in SF when I wonder, but not many.

62 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:51:18am

re: #34 mama winger

My guess is that there is evidence out there placing him at the scene of the crimes, and he wants to get ahead of it. Pre-emptive damage control.

What I don't understand is why no one is bringing up that he lied. It ain't a matter of waffling, ie: voting for it - before against it. It's a matter of lying.
C'mon he lied - that's the story here. He lied.
Have I mentioned he lied?
BTW - he lied!

63 chedub  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:51:21am

If Obama had any concern at all he would have let Charles know ahead of time he was going to give the speech so the site would be better prepared to handle the traffic :)

64 BGOH  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:51:46am

"I can no more disown him [Rev. Wright] than I can my white grandmother."

Well, unfortunately for B?O, we all bear the sins of our fathers. If he feels as close to Wright as he does to his grandmother, he jumped the shark long ago, and I dare the Dems to nominate him...at their own peril.

Even though there are a lot of people who believe in the hate and excuses that men like the Rev. Wright create, the vast majority of people in this country don't buy excuses. People like me hear Wright's rhetoric and ask what it is doing to the congregates who already feel like the deck is stacked against them? How do these excuses motivate them to overcome obstacles? To better themselves? It doesn't - it does just the opposite. And the American people know it.

65 doppelganglander  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:51:54am

As I mentioned on the dead thread, it seems like most of his speech was rehashing grievances from 40 or 50 years ago. A few minutes ago, Rush had a black caller who was complaining that in his first part-time job in high school, his white classmate was paid 25 cents more for the same job. In 1966! 40 years ago! Unless he's still making a dollar an hour, I think he really needs to get over it.

66 mghirsch  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:52:11am

Grades:
Presentation-B
Content-F

67 Sol Roth  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:52:21am

Holy Crap! I thought the Bolsheviks had taken over the LGF broadcast facility and taken it off the air.


Dear Senator Obama:

Nice speechifyin', but it's not what you say, it's what you do for twenty years by which you will be judged fit to be Commander In Chief of 30,000 nuclear weapons. Affiliating yourself with Marxist, America haters for half your life doesn't cut it.

Sincerely,
A Thinking America-Lover

68 realwest  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:52:36am

re: #7 Kosh's Shadow Absolutely Spot On! And if you watched and listened to his speech, I think that -although it was full of platitudes, misconceptions and outright lies, it was the speech he HAD to give to keep his campaign afloat.
And I think that speech did that and a LOT more.
He gave a great speach, Fox's comments were helpful to the public perception that Obama is a healer not a divider and we'd better get someone with some spine to really challenge those bs platitudes on a one on one - no moderator asking the questions - debate or he is definitely gonna be the Dem Nominee and maybe the POTUS. We out here at LGF are a LOT more politically attuned to what's going on - I'll bet more than half of us will or already have read the speech. 90+% of the American Voters won't. They'll just go by the soundbites or from watching him deliver a truly shitty text with such dexterity that they'll believe him.

69 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:52:45am

re: #47 norar

Can anybody still claim that Obama wants national unity, or that he does not play black card? What a joke.

I guess MSM will stick to this fable.

He wants unity; he wants us all to hate "the man".

70 jcm  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:52:48am

re: #41 mama winger

I could be wrong, but I think Obama won this round. I say he skates on this.

Yep. Obama, skates on Wrightgate.

Anyone on the left will nod their heads, the MSM is drinking the kool-aid. Rush just had a guy on (maybe seminar caller) who said BHO had a point.

I see BHO getting a surge off this going into PA, carries a slightly bigger lead into Denver.

The HRC's long knives come out.

If anyone brings up Wrightgate, the response will be "we have more important issues like health and education."

I'd score this a stand up triple for BHO, but the umpire missed the infield error that gave it too him.

71 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:53:09am

re: #64 BGOH

"I can no more disown him [Rev. Wright] than I can my white grandmother."

Well, unfortunately for B?O, we all bear the sins of our fathers. If he feels as close to Wright as he does to his grandmother, he jumped the shark long ago, and I dare the Dems to nominate him...at their own peril.

Even though there are a lot of people who believe in the hate and excuses that men like the Rev. Wright create, the vast majority of people in this country don't buy excuses. People like me hear Wright's rhetoric and ask what it is doing to the congregates who already feel like the deck is stacked against them? How do these excuses motivate them to overcome obstacles? To better themselves? It doesn't - it does just the opposite. And the American people know it.


Once again for the hard of hearing:

You can choose your pastor, you can't choose your Grandmother.

72 kirche  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:53:14am

the more i think about this the more i'm convinced that obama could be on video murdering someone in cold blood and it wouldn't sway but a handful of his supporters.

73 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:53:17am

So let me get this straight:
1) The USA is to blame for slavery, even thought it was around for over
3,000 years before it's creation.
2) Even thought Asians, Cubans, Russians, Legal Hispanics, and a whole
bunch of others who emigrate to these shores, without the benefit of
speaking English and also subject to bigotry, within a generation succeed
and integrate into American society, it is still all whiteys fault that
some blacks have not.
3) Segregation is all the fault of white America. Hum, I never found that
white student union at my college, but then when I was in college we
did not have GPS devices.
4) We all have to learn how to get along, and if we don't, it is because we-
that is whitey- just don't get it. But don't use his middle name.
5) If "black liberation theology" allows the congregation to clap, cheer,
and dance to the denunciation of the Jews, whites, and dam America,
well they are just letting off steam. We owe them that liberty

74 Thanos  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:53:23am

Turning off Spinoff links seems to have helped, good thinking

75 JamesTKirk  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:53:23am

re: #55 Cognito

Unfortunately I think he may have pulled it off, the double back flip. It was an astonishing thing to watch.

I've already seen several liberals gushing over it and fanning themselves at the sheer awesomeness of it.

/I had to go somewhere while LGF was unaccessible...

76 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:53:30am

re: #39 Rednek

Going OT

Red Army Choir sings "Sweet Home Alabama"

I can't view it now so someone tell me if it is any good.

It's awesome!

/Charles did a thread on it a while back

77 BuddyG  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:53:33am

re: #41 mama winger

I could be wrong, but I think Obama won this round. I say he skates on this.


NBC & CBS are dutifully ignoring the story.

78 realwest  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:53:53am

Oh and btw - it's sure good to have LGF back! Just as I gotta go eat lunch and take some meds and nap. Drat!

79 Dianna  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:54:00am

re: #39 Rednek

It's hysterical, and it's amazing.

All those Russian basses, and some balalaikas, too!

80 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:54:24am

re: #61 Dianna

And I very much doubt if Wright speaks for very much of the "black community."

You'd be very surprised.

81 RoughRider  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:54:44am

re: #34 mama winger

My guess is that there is evidence out there placing him at the scene of the crimes, and he wants to get ahead of it. Pre-emptive damage control.

I'm holding out hope that the Clinton campaign already has video of Obama -- wife and kids at his side -- on his feet, hands upraised, whooping and hollering as Wright blames White Amerikkka for all the world's ills.

If something like that were to be leaked to Drudge 7-10 days before the Democratic Party Convention, that would be a real shame.

/snicker

82 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:55:16am

OK, I only posted that once, and it came up twice.

83 NoSubmission  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:55:44am

We'll never know what Obama really thinks.

But how wonderful that his spiritual advisor is finally under the glaring lights and wife's mask tends to slip here and there.

84 conservgirl  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:55:49am

re: #78 realwest

Oh and btw - it's sure good to have LGF back! Just as I gotta go eat lunch and take some meds and nap. Drat!

Hey realwest, I said hello to you on the other link. Hope you and your teeth are well. Glad you are taking your meds.

85 Thanos  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:56:03am

My pre and Post speech analysis here:

First impression: He won over the press with this, said a few stirring things that will win back some who have faded, and this will save his candidacy.

He also tried to resurrect the Reverend Wright. Keyword which you will hear every commentator repeating endlessly “caricature”. In other words Reverend Wright isn’t really anti-American, he’s just “venting” He’s not a bigot, he’s just “angry’ and that’s ok.

The worst part of this speech is that it made racial venting ok. Whether you are black or white. I don’t think it a good idea to excuse, forgive, or to stand by bigots. The basic theme of the speech is that in the US we have great promise, but we are all victims. In the speech he simply reframed The Reverend Wright’s “Them” to the standard evils Socialists see in the world. He widened the array of victims beyond just blacks, and wants to make us all victims.

86 mellymel  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:56:27am

Oh sweet heavens LGF is back! I actually had to work for 45 minutes cause I couldn't get in!

87 NoSubmission  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:56:40am

Has he ever said 'God Bless America' before?

88 Dave the.....  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:56:41am
How does blaming whitey help those suffering from HIV/AIDS? How does blaming whitey help with the drug problems in America, especially among the black community? Why not take responsibility for your own actions so that you can fix them yourselves. If whitey caused it, only whitey can fix it. Shouldn't you be working on fixing the problems yourselves and stop looking to me to fix it for you?

Whitey spends a boat load of money on each AIDS case. Far more then each instance of heart disease, lung cancer (not all lung cancer is caused by smoking), etc.

89 JamesTKirk  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:56:45am

re: #81 RoughRider

If the Clinton campaign had anything like that, you'd think they would have used it by now.

90 realwest  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:57:31am

Oh and one last thought before I eat, etc. would those "prison ministeries" Obama's speech mentions be those from the NOI?!
Or would Christians and Jews be allowed to "minister" as well?

91 lively  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:57:34am

When Obama started talking about "Ashley," I thought he was talkin' bout Spitzer's Ashley, lol.

92 captkirk35  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:57:36am

How is the speech being received by the MSM? I'm assuming they love it. Accurate?

93 NY Nana  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:57:37am

re: #59 NoSubmission

He is a fairly good soporific, though. His speeches are like a whiff of hot air that dissipates into nothingness.

94 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:58:12am
95 Sifty  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:58:18am

Obama sounds, to me, like a not-too-bright seventeen year old running unopposed for Senior Class President at an expensive private school.
I don't get the fascination with him at all. He's empty as a balloon.

If he wants to talk about "cherry-picking", let's talk about how he was cherry-picked to be the presidential ventriloquist's dummy for the Teddy Kennedy-MoveOn moonbat crowd.

Nothing in this man's resume makes him qualified to be anything more than a somewhat-successful motivational speaker for the mildly retarded.

My hunch is that BHO was selected from an a la carte menu of desirable traits, not for any personal accomplishment.

And furthermore, I think his wife Michelle should move her ungrateful $10,000 a year piano-and-dance-lesson taking family of spoiled brats to Iran.

But I'm simple. There may be nuances that I'm not privy to.

96 Emergencydoc  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:58:43am

HOPE (to) CHANGE (the subject). YES WE CAN (pull the wool over your eyes)

97 cblesz  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:58:46am

The RNC, not John mcCain needs to respond to this ridiculous blame everyone else speech. The MSM will show the "feel good" clips. There needs to be a rebuttal because the speech was absolutley sickening and did not address the issue.

98 mattm  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:58:53am

BHO should have said "The comments made my Rev. Wright do not help unite us. They divide us by creating racism, not eliminating it. I apologize for any harm this may have caused. I can no longer take advice from Rev. Wright and will no longer support Trinity. Thank you."

What he said was a complete steaming pile of Horse s**t. He is passing the buck to everyone else but him. He can not deny that he went their for 20 YEARS. At my church if the pastor said something even close to that EVERYONE would know before the next Sunday service. His speech ment what you wanted it to. He said a lot of words that don't mean anything.

99 Thanos  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:59:17am

re: #92 captkirk35

How is the speech being received by the MSM? I'm assuming they love it. Accurate?

The audience was all media, there were several outbreaks of applause.

100 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:59:22am
101 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:59:27am

No Thanks Obama...we're not going to drink the Koolaid.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

102 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:59:36am

re: #85 Thanos

Good call. The Dems are all about victimhood, and BHO just catered to that group.

103 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:59:57am

Fifteen minutes 'til Wopner the Fed rate cut announcement.

/c'mon, baby's got a huge tax bill!

104 NoSubmission  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:00:05am

re: #91 lively

When Obama started talking about "Ashley," I thought he was talkin' bout Spitzer's Ashley, lol.


LOL! We can dream, can't we?

And Poor Ashley, a young White Prostitute just trying to lift the oppressive yoke of Whitey off her back... or her front... or...///
105 galloping granny  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:00:24am

re: #73 Nevergiveup

So let me get this straight:
1) The USA is to blame for slavery, even thought it was around for over
3,000 years before it's creation.
2) Even thought Asians, Cubans, Russians, Legal Hispanics, and a whole
bunch of others who emigrate to these shores, without the benefit of
speaking English and also subject to bigotry, within a generation succeed
and integrate into American society, it is still all whiteys fault that
some blacks have not.
3) Segregation is all the fault of white America. Hum, I never found that
white student union at my college, but then when I was in college we
did not have GPS devices.
4) We all have to learn how to get along, and if we don't, it is because we-
that is whitey- just don't get it. But don't use his middle name.
5) If "black liberation theology" allows the congregation to clap, cheer,
and dance to the denunciation of the Jews, whites, and dam America,
well they are just letting off steam. We owe them that liberty

That seems to be just about right. . . .

106 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:00:27am
107 lively  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:00:39am

re: #98 mattm

BHO should have said "The comments made my Rev. Wright do not help unite us. They divide us by creating racism, not eliminating it. I apologize for any harm this may have caused. I can no longer take advice from Rev. Wright and will no longer support Trinity. Thank you."

What he said was a complete steaming pile of Horse s**t. He is passing the buck to everyone else but him. He can not deny that he went their for 20 YEARS. At my church if the pastor said something even close to that EVERYONE would know before the next Sunday service. His speech ment what you wanted it to. He said a lot of words that don't mean anything.


Good point. Where is the Republican leadership. This speech is crazy.

108 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:00:58am
109 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:01:02am

re: #41 mama winger

I could be wrong, but I think Obama won this round. I say he skates on this.

No, I don't think so. First, what he said last week, that he never heard the nasties, turns out to be a bald-faced lie. Second, he has to explain why he gave Wright a position on the campaign, OR he has to explain why he kicked him off! Third, it's a bunch of academic claptrap that will turn off voters who think he's an egghead. Fourth, this will attract all kinds of Reverend Wrights, conspiracy theorists, black separatists, liberation clerics, - and give even the MSM reason to show them, and associate them with Obama.

I think Obama has made very possible error in this, and Hillary may now be able to pass him in delegates.

No doubt, we shall see.

110 conservgirl  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:01:06am

re: #45 Lizard by the Bay

Lets see if I can sum up Obama's speech:

Slavery
Slavery
Slavery
Jim Crow
Glass Ceiling
The Black Experience®
Slavery
Slavery
Change*
"Free" Healthcare
Hope
More Hope
Slavery
Hurricane Katrina
Global Warming
Slavery
More Jim Crow
More "Free" Healthcare
More Hope
More Change

Nope. Nothing divisive here.

* "America can change. That is true genius of this nation."
There is loving one's country (while accepting that there are blemishes), and only loving what the country isn't but could become. Once again, Obama says there's nothing wrong with America that can't be fixed by changing what America is. This is the leftist definition of "patriotism".

How is this new change? It's the same shit over and over with the left. It's like the whole nation is Mississippi in the early sixties or Kennedy has just stormed Ole Miss. Oh, it's Vietnam all over again. Winter soldiers. I am in my early thirties and I am sick of hearing about all this shit. Imagine if I were 30 years older. Poor Katrina victims, they are soo helpless. Please, the people of MS have moved on, the nation should do as well.

How can so many people fall for this empty rhetoric?

111 jcm  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:01:12am

re: #89 JamesTKirk

If the Clinton campaign had anything like that, you'd think they would have used it by now.

Timing, BHO is essentially recovered from this and may be stronger in the short term.

To be effective Clinton Inc. needs to land the blow going into the convention, when there play to take the nomination will gain traction.

112 Czarny_Smok  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:02:16am

Somehow Wrights rhetoric reminds me of something...got it, Nurnberg circa about 1938 or so. If translated into German one would have a hard time differentiating.

I sure didn’t hear any apologies for the racist remarks either.

Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer - is this where we are headed?

113 Kaboomboom  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:02:22am
That would be the AIDS created and given to them by the CIA, according to Rev. Wright.

Charles, you forgot to mention how the CIA somehow forced these same people to fornicate with each other in order to spread the infection.

Oh yeah, the drug abusers (using drugs brought into inner cities also by the CIA) were also held down by CIA agents and forced to smoke crack against their will...

Is there a complete lack of personal responsibility shown by the followers of Rev. Wright, or is it just me?

114 commander_vimes  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:02:41am

He should've gotten Bill Cosby to write his speech.

115 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:02:49am

re: #39 Rednek
That is most definately a keeper.

Make sure you view it later.

116 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:02:50am

Man, it took forever to get here, and I'm on a T1 at GeekCentral here!

Look at my linky. Sweetness and Light has the New Black Panthers supporting Obama

117 Rancher  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:03:00am

Problem is it’s a speech in which you can hear what you want hear and disregard the rest. The MSM will see no reason to continue playing Wright clips and BHO will be our next President. Or as one NRO e-mailer speculates, Al Gore steps in:

Obama will go into the convention with a pledged delegate lead sizable enough that the superdelegates won't dare give the nomination to Hillary. The Pastor Wright scandal will make them equally unwilling to give it to Obama. So they'll deadlock the convention and then Al steps in: he'll convince both Hillary and Obama to throw their support behind him in exchange for SCOTUS nods for both of them when Ginsburg and Stevens retire (which they'll certainly be confirmed for, given Senate comity and somewhere between 55 and 60 Senate Democrats). He'll give Edwards AG in exchange for his handful of delegates and take it all. Max Baucus will be his running mate so that, with a Gore-Baucus ticket, Rush Limbaugh will not be able to resist playing the Gorbasm/Empire Strikes Back theme from back in the 80s when Gorbachev was still around — which will make Gore cool for the first time in his life.
118 conservgirl  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:03:28am

re: #104 NoSubmission

Funny, I am sure other people thought that as well. When politician's use instances with people's names, it falls on deaf ears. Thank god Edwards is out, if I had to hear, my father was a mill-worker or little Susie has no health insurance, I was going to pull my hair out.

119 brianstien  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:03:43am

I disagree with those who say he's done because of this. MSM is in the tank for him, and the vast majority of Americans - by FAR - get their "news" via the MSM.

I heard Donna Brazile say this weekend that Reverend Whackadoodle is among the "more moderate black preachers." Makes you wonder how widespread this victim/separatist crap is in the black church.

120 Rancher  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:03:47am

re: #86 mellymel

I went to LGF Watch.

121 jpfletcher  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:03:49am

Over on Digg they are heaping the praise on Obama's speech.

[Link: digg.com...]

122 Thanos  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:04:10am

re: #109 itellu3times

No, I don't think so. First, what he said last week, that he never heard the nasties, turns out to be a bald-faced lie. Second, he has to explain why he gave Wright a position on the campaign, OR he has to explain why he kicked him off! Third, it's a bunch of academic claptrap that will turn off voters who think he's an egghead. Fourth, this will attract all kinds of Reverend Wrights, conspiracy theorists, black separatists, liberation clerics, - and give even the MSM reason to show them, and associate them with Obama.

I think Obama has made very possible error in this, and Hillary may now be able to pass him in delegates.

No doubt, we shall see.

Most excellent point that I had missed - Obama just outed himself on his previous lie.

123 Dianna  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:04:12am

re: #80 Lizard by the Bay

I hear a lot of nonsense whenever I'm stuck taking the T, but I don't think most of the people spouting it really believe it.

124 JamesTKirk  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:04:30am

re: #111 jcm

Timing, BHO is essentially recovered from this and may be stronger in the short term.

To be effective Clinton Inc. needs to land the blow going into the convention, when there play to take the nomination will gain traction.

Clinton Inc. would be in a much better position going into the convention if they had blown BHO out of the water before some of the primaries that they lost to him.

125 conservgirl  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:04:30am

re: #112 Czarny_Smok

Somehow Wrights rhetoric reminds me of something...got it, Nurnberg circa about 1938 or so. If translated into German one would have a hard time differentiating.

I sure didn’t hear any apologies for the racist remarks either.

Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer - is this where we are headed?

If you read those Loon leftish websites we are already there. They trot out the 14 points to show the US is in a fascist state.

126 konservo  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:04:35am

re: #66 mghirsch

Grades:
Presentation-B
Content-F

Wow. You're giving that presentation a 'B'?

I'd say 'C+' tops. 10 minutes of that 10th grader's civics essay and I was about to fall sleep.

127 conservgirl  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:05:35am

re: #121 jpfletcher

Over on Digg they are heaping the praise on Obama's speech.

[Link: digg.com...]

Same with Reddit. I just got called a racist from a post a made about Rev. Wright's hate speech.

128 CIA Reject  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:05:48am

Oh, OK NOW I get it...

129 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:05:54am

Why Are Reverend Wright Videos Disappearing from YouTube?

Trying mightily to put the cat back in the bag.

/hat tip: beens21 (top rated spinoff link)

130 NoSubmission  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:05:59am

Anyone else think Obama's got a song uploaded somewhere.. you know.. just in case he loses..

131 irongrampa  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:06:30am

re: #46 coquimbojoe

Just about as much as I'd enjoy genital warts, sir.

132 3 wood  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:06:36am

Bottom line is Obama is embracing a racist in Wright.

The straw man that Obama says he was not there when this happened so he did not know is a crock of crap. You know what is going on at your church.

I left one church after many years attendance cause of how the church leadership treated a female member who had been physically abused by her husband. She went to them for help and they basically tried to blame her, like it was her fault she was getting smacked around. I was not present at the meeting at my church when this happened either, but you can bet I sure heard about it.

Once I confirmed with others what happened, you can also bet I gave that leadership a piece of my mind, did everything I could to help that abused woman, left that church and have never looked back.

So Obama, take your smooth line of crap somewhere else, no sale with me.

By the way, Wright in not your Grandmother, so don't try to equate the two, either.

133 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:07:22am

re: #83 NoSubmission

We'll never know what Obama really thinks.


HOPEFULLY We'll never know what Obama really thinks.

/slight repair needed

134 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:08:23am

re: #114 commander_vimes

He should've gotten Bill Cosby to write his speech.

Yes. Instead, he kept to the black victimhood story, only was inclusive - we're all victims.

135 ThinkPiece  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:08:24am

re: #39 Rednek

Going OT

Red Army Choir sings "Sweet Home Alabama"

I can't view it now so someone tell me if it is any good.

OMG! You've got to see this to believe it! A Finnish rock band called the Leningrad Cowboys (dig the hair!) and the Red Army, singing Sweet Home Alabama in English!

What a hoot!

136 smokefire  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:08:34am

The Obamaites, are hossanning (sp) on high, the audience is standing and cheering, what was expected next was the sky to open up and a voice to say..."This is my beloved son, in whom I am most pleased".

Nahh, more like the Anti-Christ to me.

137 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:08:36am

re: #107 lively

Good point. Where is the Republican leadership. This speech is crazy.

I think he'll get a pass from McCain and the RNC.

138 hartabuna  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:09:08am

Google pawned the Daily kooks

if you go to their site (with a paper bag, you know) you will see in the ads column which is pushed by Google the first ad is
"The real Barack Obama"

clicking on it leads you to the conservative site "Human events" with the headline "Where is the outrage, he's an obamanation!"

"From his radical stance on abortion to his prominence in the corruption scandals that has been virtually ignored by the mainstream media, Barack Obama is not fit to be Senator -- not to mention the next President of the United States.

Obama has declared his presidential intentions, but it is up to well-informed and energetic conservatives like you to spare our nation from the scourge of a far-left President Barack H. Obama.

Get your FREE PDF copy of HUMAN EVENTS' new special report - Barack Obama: EXPOSED! - when you sign up for our free email newsletters. It's the only way you'll get all the ammunition you need to end Obama's White House dreams once and for all."


Just in case I have the screenshot to prove it...

139 GGMac  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:09:43am

Kathryn Lopez, over at The Corner, at National Review Online:

"The more I think about this speech, the more I think Obama said: 'Damn straight, Rev. Wright is angry. That's how I wound up at his church. That's why I stay there. I'm mad too. I just control it better. Now let's get electing me president so we can all feel good.'"

140 mattm  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:10:40am

re: #76 Killian Bundy

It's awesome!

/Charles did a thread on it a while back

F***ing awesome.

141 mj  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:10:48am
"That would be the AIDS created and given to them by the CIA, according to Rev. Wright."


Actually, that's just a variation of the Urban Myth which circulates in the Black Community thank to Farrakhan that Jews created the AIDS virus in order to infect Black babies.
I suspect that anyone listening to Rev. Wright knew the "hidden" message in that libel.

142 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:10:57am

re: #119 brianstien

I disagree with those who say he's done because of this. MSM is in the tank for him, and the vast majority of Americans - by FAR - get their "news" via the MSM.

I heard Donna Brazile say this weekend that Reverend Whackadoodle is among the "more moderate black preachers." Makes you wonder how widespread this victim/separatist crap is in the black church.

Wonder no more!

143 Lee Coller  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:11:11am

Charles,

To help with those high-load situations, you might set up your comment pages and spin-off links to not include avatars if the load average is above a certain threshold.

Might help a little with the bandwidth too.

144 iagofest a.k.a. abu fly killa  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:11:24am

Boy, Obama really tried to pull on the old heart string in his speech. Many women (and liberal men) are such suckers for that. Good thing I'm a cold-hearted conservative woman or I might have fallen for it too. Let's hear it for the Straight Talk Express in '08, my friends!

145 cblesz  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:11:29am

re: #137 Ward Cleaver

I think he'll get a pass from McCain and the RNC.

God, I hope not. They ought to jump all over this pile of dung now!

146 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:11:30am

re: #112 Czarny_Smok

Somehow Wrights rhetoric reminds me of something...got it, Nurnberg circa about 1938 or so. If translated into German one would have a hard time differentiating.

I sure didn’t hear any apologies for the racist remarks either.

Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer - is this where we are headed?

The left has sounded like this for some time. Of course, the Nazis, Italian Fascists, Russian Bolsheviks, and, let's not forget, the Progressives are and were all creatures of the left.

147 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:11:35am
148 Spider Mensch  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:11:40am

it's oj's trial but on a different set...oj was guilty of murder, but his lawyers turned it into a race issue, and bingo!..he was aquitted...obamaman can't win the dem nomination or POTUS on his political stances or experience (he doesn't have any) alone, so bingo! lets make it about race. hopefully Americans will see this differently than the oj trial.

149 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:11:40am
Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

Slightly blaming Whitey here.

150 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:12:01am

Barack is turning out to be Jesse Jackson with better speaking skills. Maybe he needs to stick to fine tuning his plans for withdrawing 150,000 troops out of Iraq in 30 days without having to break the treasury to replace equiptment left behind or destroyed to keep it out of the enemies hands. For a guy that seems to be an expert on withdrawal he sure is having a hard time withdrawing from this mess.

151 rappmandu  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:12:03am

I don't need a lecture about race in America from fools like Obama and his hateful preacherman.

152 ThinkPiece  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:12:15am

Wow, I'm finally back in! I was beginning to think someone was sabotaging LGF. Just waaay popular this afternoon...

OT but interesting: The Detroit City Council just voted 7-1 to request the resignation of Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

/too bad it's a non-binding resolution.

153 godfrey  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:12:34am
It is not enough to give health care to the sick, or jobs to the jobless, or education to our children. But it is where we start. It is where our union grows stronger. And as so many generations have come to realize over the course of the two-hundred and twenty one years since a band of patriots signed that document in Philadelphia, that is where the perfection begins.

And it ends, in Obama's view, with a massive State that redistributes wealth on an unprecedented scale for a generation -- after which it will, naturally, collapse in ruins. But it sure sounds good, right? I mean, it makes you feel good to read it.

Shallow.

154 galloping granny  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:12:40am

re: #132 3 wood

Bottom line is Obama is embracing a racist in Wright.

The straw man that Obama says he was not there when this happened so he did not know is a crock of crap. You know what is going on at your church.

I left one church after many years attendance cause of how the church leadership treated a female member who had been physically abused by her husband.

Nobody - NOBODY - entrusts the religious life and education of their children to a religious community with which they do not agree, particularly one pastored by a minister whose views are so outrageously prejudiced and devisive. For Obama to think that anyone would believe that he continued to attend this church and allow his children to do so for TWENTY years is nothing less than ridiculous. Either he is a complete and total fool who shouldn't be trusted with a paper bag, much less to find his way out of it, or he thinks that we are.

155 Czarny_Smok  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:12:46am

re: #125 conservgirl

If you read those Loon leftish websites we are already there. They trot out the 14 points to show the US is in a fascist state.

Those clowns haven't a clue what a true Fascist State is. They would be promptly rounded up and disposed for even thinking! As Joe Stalin once said, and I paraphrase, a few hundred thousand is a tragedy, a few million is a statistic – in this case, the moonbats would be a statistic in that kind of world. I know, my mother, father and brother (barely) survived Russia’s concentration camps – their crimes? They were of the “intelligencia” of Poland.

156 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:12:47am

C'mon, it's not like he spoke at Bob Jones University, or is a Mormon.

THAT is un-American!

And mean.

157 Whammo  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:12:49am

The difference is Obama, that if I strongly disagree with my pastor about something so important I will go find another pastor, not stay there for 20 years, have him marry me and baptize my children.

And I'm not even a politician. How is it I know this and you don't?

158 cartoonboy  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:13:16am

Not brilliant--just clever enough. This will stand as the "mustard and relish sandwich" of propaganda speeches: pretending to understand the pain and concerns of white people' through button-pushing name dropping: radical Islam, poor white people, Israel, "Mr Wright's offending sermons," "this country that I love," etc.

159 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:13:30am

re: #109 itellu3times

I think Obama has made verypossible error in this, and Hillary may now be able to pass him in delegates.

PIMF: Make that every.

160 joncelli  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:13:52am

[Exterior: desert. Burning sun pounds down on sand blowing from the crest of immense dunes. Vultures circle over a single spot on the dune. Zoom in: it is a man, sun-scorched skin blazing through the rips in his sweat-stained shirt. He is crawling on all fours, pulling himself over the dune as if he were using his last vestiges of energy. As we zoom in closer, we can hear his faint words during the pauses in the howling of the wind.]

"L...G...F...L...G...F..."

(Welcome back, Charles.)

161 oh_dude  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:13:52am

C'mon give the guy a break.

There's a 3-point degree of difficulty on this maneuver.

162 abolitionist  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:14:06am

re: #40 madmax517

I guess I am in an alternative universe here at LGF as it appears that the videos and words at U Tube site are overwhelmingly praising this demogogue..."Great speech", "Our next President". Is this how the lamestream media will depict more deception, inveigling and obfuscation? Is Chrissie "I squat to pee" Matthews getting that tingling in his leg again? And how does Keith Oberdufus feel? I need to check on how Helen Thomas feels about the Messiah.

Andrew Sullivan is heaping praise.
[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

re: #7 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, he wants change – a revolution, really. His complete slogan is
“Yes, we can stick it to the Man!”

He's dangerous.

On this I agree.

163 OldNuc  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:14:48am

re: #137 Ward Cleaver

The Republican leadership will not touch this with a 10 foot pole. This is why Rush and others want to keep Hillary alive until Denver. It is up to the Democrats to tear their own guts out. The Republican party has never in my political history (1948 to present) demonstrated any interest in fighting.

164 blangwort  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:15:07am

Bill Clinton and "the meaning of 'is' is" have got nothing on this guy. He's smooth, he's slick, he's teflon. He'll be able to get away with anything as president.

Let's vote him in --NOT!

165 rappmandu  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:15:22am

More like a "full endo" with a belly flop.

166 smokefire  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:15:28am

re: #135 ThinkPiece

UN PHUQUING BELIEVABLE.

Ole Ronnie is rolling in his grave over this.

167 ThinkPiece  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:15:31am

Another great Rush parody on-air now: Jeremiah was my Pastor.

/funny

168 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:16:06am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Recharged my batteries in LI Wine country, and have come back to find Obama in no better position than he left off on Friday. He's got a big problem and can't get out of it with his claims to lofty rhetoric and charisma. He needs hope to change his circumstances.

That albatross is Rev. Wright, but it is much more than that. It's that he's called Wright his spiritual adviser for more than two decades, and yet he claims that Wright's being taken out of context and that it isn't who he is.

Someone is lying, and I think it's the guy who has the most to lose - Obama. He knows that Wright and his positions on everything from race and anti-Semitism to his conspiracy rants, are more than sufficient to derail his campaign permanently.

169 Cognito  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:16:08am

#99Thanos 3/18/08 10:59:17 am

The audience was all media, there were several outbreaks of applause.

...


Sorry, but no, it wasn't all media at the Constitution Center.

The media at large surely won't give Obama the close criticism he deserves, but this bit just isn't true.

170 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:16:12am
But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

I smell a fatwa.

171 A.W.  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:16:13am

I would say all of it would work alright for me if only Barack came fully clean about what this church was about. it is a blatantly racist institution. That it is racism in response to racism doesn't make it better.

Its a church that wants god to be for black people and against white people. Personally i believe god is "for" all people, yes, even Osama bin Laden, in the sense that God wants to reach him and realize the error of his ways. I'm not saying God expects him to do so anytime soon, but he can and does hope. So i don't see God is being "against" anyone in that way. He hates the sin and loves the sinner. But I will accept as reasonable a belief that God is agaisnt the bad people and for the good people. But to be agaisnt people because of the color of their skin? that itself is an evil belief.

And how does that work, exactly? Would that mean that God is for and agaisnt Obama at the same time? Half against him and half for him, so it all equals out? Or does God believe that a single drop of black blood put you in his corner? It's all so easy to mock because it is so stupid.

Obama won't level with us, of course, because the truth is so awful. And that means he is just another huckster, who, by the way, is unqualified for the job he is seeking.

I may not like McCain very much. But this will still be an easy choice in november.

172 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:17:09am

Socialism is no way to form a more perfect union.

173 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:17:15am

re: #50 dahveed

This has been turned into a race issue rather than the other issues that are part of this.

Obama turning it into a race issue by saying the race issue is a diversion is a diversion.

174 smokefire  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:17:35am

re: #161 oh_dude

C'mon give the guy a break.

There's a 3-point degree of difficulty on this maneuver.

Don't it remind you of swim class, and when that nerdy kid, tried to do a flip, and landed either flat on his back or front.
WHAPPP.
Just hurts to think about it.

175 ThinkPiece  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:17:43am

re: #152 ThinkPiece

Wow, I'm finally back in! I was beginning to think someone was sabotaging LGF. Just waaay popular this afternoon...

OT but interesting: The Detroit City Council just voted 7-1 to request the resignation of Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

/too bad it's a non-binding resolution.

Detroit News coverage

176 Josephine  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:17:50am

re: #44 NoSubmission

Here's a question:

If Rev. Wright 'brought Obama to Jesus', then where was he before?

Not only that, but which Jesus?

The black slave Jesus whose God is only worth worshiping if He kills the evil white man?

Maybe it's "racist" of me but I'm going to say it: that's not in the Bible and that's not Christian.

177 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:17:54am

We have a huge hospital here in Atlanta that is going through some really tough financial times right now because of all that "free" health care they gave out. It has a trauma unit, but given a choice between it and a field hospital in Iraq I would take the field hospital. The survival rate is a whole lot higher. The joke around here if you get shot they take you to Grady since it is closer to the morgue. That is the future of medicine in America if you buy into this whole healthcare reform. The focus needs to be on health Insurance not healthcare, but health care can be used to scare folks and using the word insurance just isn't as exciting or sexy.

178 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:18:21am
179 faraway  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:19:05am

Permanent link for speech: [Link: www.pearlharbor.org...]

180 WrathofG-d  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:19:33am

1st. Obama's racist tendencies are not my biggest reasons for not wanting him to be the next POTUS.

2nd. That being said, I am not buying the "Sure, I had him baptize my kids and marry me and my wife...but I don't really like the guy, or agree with him" excuse. You don't sit in a church for 20+ years listening to such extreme rhetoric unless you are digging it.

These aren't minor opinions that one might just disagree with here and there. These are very pointed, very extreme points of view that seems not to be aberrations but the spirit of his preaching.

Furthermore, a white Republican would not be getting the white wash (pardon the pun-ish expression) that Obama is, if he had been attending Trinity's white-power-equivalent;"World Church of The Creator" for over so many years, considered the preacher a close friend ("who he occasionally disagreed with"), traveled with him, had him officiate his wedding, and baptize his children.

Whatever happened to "there is no excuse for Racism!" ?

181 William Wallace  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:19:33am

For this speech to be successful, it had to be some kind of unprecedented statesman-like transcendence of race, some kind of ballsy, take-the-bull-by-the-horns grappling, honest statement. It failed utterly.

He artfully scattered the right allusions and images and dredged up the old resentments.

As someone said above, any candid talk about racism should mention white liberal guilt, one way or another, and the unfortunate development of black excuse-mongering displacing genuine civil rights activism. He should have reversed the trend exemplified by the Jesse Jacksons, Al Sharptons and Cornell "Race Matters" West. He should have said, You know what? We are one people. What matters is the content of one's character. But there's nothing new about Obama and nothing intellectually or spiritually remarkable.

The speech was disappointing, but ultimately gratifying for Republicans. It's Barack, his supporters and the Democrats as a party who will pay the price for the let-down. The Obama balloon may not have burst, but the air is rapidly hissing out. To switch metaphors, focus on Wright has made people take an only slightly harder look at Obama and this has been enough to show that the emperor has no clothes. Or, to switch the metaphor once more, the clothes are there, but there's no man inside: Obama is an empty suit. He belongs singing in a lounge or acting in a soap opera. He's a slick performer but lacks substance.

182 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:19:34am

75 basis point cut, markets not satisfied, Dow wavering around +200.

/now Fed, buy at least $50B in dicey mortgages if you really want to help

183 Lumyrra  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:20:10am

re: #56 Ben Hur

I thought that was interesting, too. He wouldn't even wear a flag lapel pin a few months ago, and now he's surrounding himself.

184 dr.mister  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:20:37am

Excuses, excuses, excuses. What ever happened to taking personal responsibility? How do you continue to associate with a pastor for 20 years knowing what he is spewing is hate speech? I'd have some modicum of respect for Obama if he fessed up, took some responsibility and said here's why it's time for me to break with Reverend Wright. But no. All we get is obfuscation and diversion. This guy is slicker than Slick Willie.

185 turn  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:20:54am

Let me see if I get this straight Obama. This election is not about race, but then you make it about race, to avoid dealing with racist comments, in order to keep votes of a certain race ...

/circular logic

186 galloping granny  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:21:04am

re: #169 Cognito

#99Thanos 3/18/08 10:59:17 am

The audience was all media, there were several outbreaks of applause.

...


Sorry, but no, it wasn't all media at the Constitution Center.

The media at large surely won't give Obama the close criticism he deserves, but this bit just isn't true.

Quite so. The clearly stated while waiting that one of the reasons things kicked off late was that besides the original audience, a number of community leaders and a large press contingent had been invited and that it took some while to get everyone seated. I thought there was remarkably sparse applause for the size of the audience.

187 Dax  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:22:11am

All this racism crap on a day when Tiger Woods and his white wife buy a $65MM home in the Hamptons. Yes THAT Tiger Woods, from the racist, old-white-boys community of the PGA living in the blue-blooded old-white-guys community of The Hamptons.

We are so sick of this racist/victim BS I done see how this drivel can possibly get traction.

188 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:22:18am

re: #170 lone_wolf_in_illinois

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

I smell a fatwa.

I smell a wink and a nod

189 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:22:44am

re: #175 ThinkPiece

Detroit News coverage

Conyers's wife is the lone dissenter.

190 smokefire  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:22:53am

Malcom X, Louis Farakhan, Elijah Mohammed, J-Wright.

Now there are the 4 horseman of the Apocalypse, with little Barry following up behind to clean up all that is said

191 godfrey  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:24:05am

Interesting that Obama didn't finish that initial quotation from the Preamble. What did "the People" do in order to form "a more perfect Union"? Answer: ordain and establish the Constitution.

The peculiar American political enterprise is not a condition of social perfection, but maintaining the freedom to allow us to determine our political future out of conflict and compromise.

Obama and his supporters simply do not get it. They're puritanical social engineers at heart, not democratic people content with real freedom and its imperfections.

They can all take a hike.

192 MellyMel  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:24:18am

re: #120 Rancher

So did I! Couldn't take it very long though.

/I did get some work done too :-)

193 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:24:22am

re: #183 LumyrraWhat do the progressives always say about conservatives wrapping themselves in the flag?

194 ThinkPiece  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:25:28am

re: #189 Honorary Yooper

Conyers's wife is the lone dissenter.

Yeah, there's a real stunner, huh? John Con-ya is arguably the most racist, vile member of the Congress, and he's about a corrupt as they come, too.

He and Kwame are kindred spirits.

195 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:25:36am

re: #188 NevergiveupIf he said it in English it doesn't count. ;-)

196 smokefire  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:25:37am

ooops, got to correct #190

Not Malcom or Elijah Mohammed

But Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farakhann, J-Wright

THERE got it right this time

197 galloping granny  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:26:21am

re: #180 WrathofG-d


Whatever happened to "there is no excuse for Racism!" ?

Wrath, that is the 100 ton elephant in the room that society has been dancing around for the last 30 years or so. There IS an excuse for racism - at least according to many blacks and liberals - if you are black. It is only "racism" if you are white. Otherwise it is speaking truth to power.

198 Rancher  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:26:45am

re: #40 madmax517

...it appears that the videos and words at U Tube site are overwhelmingly praising this demogogue..."Great speech", "Our next President".


I rest my case, our next President. At worst this hurt him a little with undecided whites, better it may gain him Hispanic votes. Some Hispanics are very simpatico
with the victim culture.

199 Whammo  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:26:57am

re: #72 kirche

the more i think about this the more i'm convinced that obama could be on video murdering someone in cold blood and it wouldn't sway but a handful of his supporters.


Just ask O.J.

200 Josephine  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:27:06am

re: #71 Ben Hur

Once again for the hard of hearing:

You can choose your pastor, you can't choose your Grandmother.

If my white granny said the things that Jeremiah Wright said, I would disown her. (I'm not kidding.)

201 mj  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:27:20am

re: #137 Ward Cleaver

I think he'll get a pass from McCain and the RNC.


The best thing for McCain and for the RNC is to keep out of the Obama meltdown. If they enter in on this issue it will be seen as simply a Democrat/Republican wedge issue and it will quickly die away. Notice that Hillary is also keeping mum on it for now. If your opponent is drowning in the mud, there's no reason to throw them rope with your name on it.
I would hope McCain never brings up the issue of Obama's race. It's a losing issue for him, especially since Obama is doing such a good job of bringing it up all by himself by associating with Black Racists.

By the way, the Pastor is hardly the only racist in that "church". The next step will be to expose all those church members who subscribe to the racist ideology he expounded.

202 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:27:51am

FWIW it was a well crafted speech and delivered well. He has the communications ability of a liberal Reagan.

That said, he avoided the substance of the issue through false comparisons, deconstruction and baiting the "Reagan coalition" as racist.

1) Comparing what we can assume (by his own description) as mild comments by his white grandmother to those of Wright is pretty "audacious." It is a flase comparison, as are many others he made in the speech. What he did was expand the field of discussion to such a large degree that criticism of Wright seems minor. Yet he admits he can't reject Wright "no more than reject the entire black community." Wright does not represent the entire Black community, and to the degree that Obama thiks he does, then our "journey toward healing" requires us to throw away a few decades of progress to get to the starting point where Wright is

2) He hits the postmodernist / deconstruction vein by basically declaring that he and Wright are aware of their contradictions. In PM circles, this is a sign of "intellectual maturity" and "honesty" - the kind that allowed Deconstructionist Paul De Mann to have been excused by academics for having been a Nazi Collaborator, even though he made a subsequent career of criticizing Westerners for being unwittingly hateful. This earns Obama all sorts of points with Academics, intellectuals and journalists.

3) With all that love in the room, few of those fawning over the speech noticed how Obama declared the Reagan Coalition as having come to power on a wave of racism. If that isn't a racist, Wrightesque declaration of "you are evil, we are good" then I don't know what is.

Watch the uncritical minds swoon over the oratory and miss the substance (and lack thereof) as this speech is elevated higher and higher by the MSM and all those who criticize it are castigated as racists.

203 gman  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:28:04am

From the transcript of the speech:

Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect.

So, the reverend only talks disrespectfully about whites and other ethnic groups in his sermons and not during personal conversations?

Obama thinks he can pull one over on us, but there's an old saying
"The apple doesn't fall far from the tree."

and there's more from the Bible:

Jesus said: "You will know them by their fruits..."

204 TimeQuake  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:29:11am

re: #56 Ben Hur

FOUR of them behind him.

/Still no flag pin.

205 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:33:03am

Obama basically justified the racism that blacks have for whites today by playing the slavery canard.

206 dahveed  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:33:13am

re: #173 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Obama turning it into a race issue by saying the race issue is a diversion is a diversion.

Obama needs to divert this from an issue about him to an issue that white liberals will back up from questioning him on. Race is something that white libs are loathe to talk about. So long as Obama turns this into something that he thinks people will believe is on the cusp of racism, then he can avoid the real questions.

207 Rancher  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:33:29am

re: #204 TimeQuake

FOUR of them behind him.

/Still no flag pin.

I counted eight.

208 xtraBilly  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:34:19am

Poor overworked hampsters. Could we get them a trainer? I understand Brian McNamee is available.

209 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:34:51am

re: #182 Killian Bundy

75 basis point cut, markets not satisfied, Dow wavering around +200.

/now Fed, buy at least $50B in dicey mortgages if you really want to help

They've already pumped in more cash than needed to cover all of the sub-prime bad loans.

What they are having to pay for now is how those loans were pakaged into derivatives and then leveraged into bets that have 10X the exposure of the underlying loans. These guys have to raise cash to cover those leveraged derivatives and thereby end up selling assets at fire sale prices.

Good companies have shares being sold for cheap as these guys try to raise cash. Meanwhile, we have a full employment economy and anemic growth (but growth just the same).

210 Kaboomboom  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:36:00am

#180 Wrath of G-d

Whatever happened to "there is no excuse for Racism!" ?

Well, to many minorities, only white people can be racist because they hold most/all of the power. **spit**

Poverty pimps want carte blanche to say and do anything with impunity.

211 paint-right  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:36:13am

What bothers me about Wright's "theology' - and by extension Obama's speech which did not address these issues - is the concept of MIDDLECLASSISM. Or is it Anti-middleclassism. Is that being anti middle class? striving to be only rich or only poor and avoiding the midde class? Is that like not wanting to get good grades so as to not appear too "white"

?

And how does any sane and educated person , Wright or any one else, believe that the USA started HIV to wipe out the people of color and how does any sane and educated person believe that the drug trade is a conspiracy to addict and thus "keep down" the black race? Wright asserts this and Obama did not address these assertions. Being angry about the injustices of slavery and segregation does not give anyone a right to accuse and blame anyone else for one's own personal failings.

Get a clue.

Education, temperance, self-control.

(And drop the culture of victimhood.)

212 Rancher  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:36:41am

Was it me or did that first applause take forever to happen? Someone commented that the sign finally got fixed, LOL.

213 Josephine  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:37:26am

re: #154 galloping granny

Nobody - NOBODY - entrusts the religious life and education of their children to a religious community with which they do not agree, particularly one pastored by a minister whose views are so outrageously prejudiced and devisive. For Obama to think that anyone would believe that he continued to attend this church and allow his children to do so for TWENTY years is nothing less than ridiculous. Either he is a complete and total fool who shouldn't be trusted with a paper bag, much less to find his way out of it, or he thinks that we are.

The audacity of arrogance.

214 Pope Insouciance IV  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:37:38am

I'm going to disagree with the consensus here. I think it was a brilliant speech. At least politically. Which is to say, does it defuse the Wright situation? I think it does.

Not that I believe most of what Obama said. But he maneuvered so well around the danger points and hit his "unifier" talking points. Classic diversion, just like a magician. Consider: he opens with an appeal to the Founding Fathers. He brings in his mixed racial heritage (The "I can't hate my own Mom" defense). He cites both black and white problems with racial harmony. He deftly places Wright back in the long ago days of bigotry (which of course is not a trap for a hip young man like himself). Somehow he relates all this to failing schools, healthcare, global warming, blah, blah. He ends with an interracial anecdote that has me calling for more insulin.

What did he gloss over? The fact that he now admits that he did hear a lot of race-hate sermons, contrary to what he said just the other night. That he is raising his kids in this atmosphere. He never says how he will fix race relations, just that we have to. Duh, I could have told you that. And, of course, any specifics about his plans.

predictions
1. This will satisfy most people. They will give him the benefit of the doubt. The limousine liberals will declare him a god. The story will disappear by the weekend.
2. The MSM will be only too glad to help.
3. Clinton gets one more chance to wound him (I'm speaking figuratively) and then she's history.
4. McCain will not touch the race issue.

215 slokat  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:41:14am

re: #203 gman

Reminds me of the Islamic speeches in english for the public and world media, that differ from their speeches in arabic inside the mosque...

216 strandedsf  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:50:52am

re: #162 abolitionist

Andrew Sullivan is heaping praise indeed...it's clear that Andrew has a man-crush on Obama and has thus willingly suspended disbelief...His rational faculty was killed by the kool-aid long ago...nothing to see here folks...move along.

217 TimeQuake  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:52:32am

re: #207 Rancher

I never saw any longer shots. Really? Eight?

He's really plying American love now, isn't he?

218 Lumyrra  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:54:07am

re: #193 Who Watches the Watchmen?

What do the progressives always say about conservatives wrapping themselves in the flag?

Nothing that doesn't make themselves look like hypocrites?

219 sparrowlake  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:57:56am

I enjoyed his excuse for the congretational high-fivers and standing ovationers - i.e. whitey not being familiar with the congregants' use of "body language".
What a blatantly racist remark.

220 Lumyrra  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:58:15am

re: #204 TimeQuake

Six. Possibly more.

221 NY Nana  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:01:17pm

re: #129 Killian Bundy

This one is still active, and there are more with it that I didn't test. As I said last night, I imagine that they will keep trying to remove them for 'violation of TOS', but there will be people who will just keep uploading them on YouTube. Sadly, I think all the fuss about this will evaporate like an Hussein speech in a few weeks.

222 Linlithgow  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:03:35pm

There are a few other things Obama forgot to enumerate about 'the man, Pastor Wright', that show who he really is.

Adores Farrakhan, thinks all of America is racist, believes we started AIDs, despises Israel, has barely contained loathing for others not like him...

Cherry picking indeed.

223 vagabond trader  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:04:08pm

What, outing his own old Granny, but giving the rev a pass? Quite the churl,eh?

224 cathymv  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:04:11pm

There was so much spin in that speech, the weather channel put out an alert that a tornado touched down ...

225 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:04:34pm
226 Izzy Dunne  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:04:44pm

re: #39 Rednek

Going OT

Red Army Choir sings "Sweet Home Alabama"

I can't view it now so someone tell me if it is any good.

I think they're singing "Sweet Whore Al O'bama", Not sure though.

227 radcap  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:05:05pm

Imagine if a white candidate tried the same approach as Obama after
his 'spiritual advisor' was discovered to have been a KKK Grand
Dragon. Excerpt from Obama's speech as if from such a candidate

"Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my non-specific statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with the Grand Dragon in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church - one without such a blatant racist as its minister? And I confess that if all that I knew of the Grand Dragon were the foul, racist snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if his Church conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, his racism isn't all that I know of the Grand Dragon. The Grand Dragon I met more than twenty years ago is a racist who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a racist who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. The Grand Dragon is a racist who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth – by housing the homeless (who he believes are destitute because of the racist political policies of blacks in govt) ministering to the needy (who he believes are poor because of a
conspiracy by blacks in business and govt), providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries (because the govt is failing whites), and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS (which he believes was created by the Darkies to wipe out the White race)

Like other predominantly white churches across the country, my church embodies the white community in its entirety – the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other white churches, my services are full of solemn prayer and sometimes thoughtful murmuring. They are full of singing, of chanting, invocation, and even silence that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. My church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the white experience in America.

And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with The Grand Dragon. As imperfect as he may be, this racist has been like family to me. This racist strengthened my faith; this racist officiated my wedding; and this racist baptized my children. The Grand Dragon contains within him the contradictions – the good and the bad – of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.

I can no more disown this racist than I can disown the white community."

Does anyone seriously think such a speech would not get the man run out on a rail (rightfully so) by both the public and the media?

228 swabbie41  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:05:11pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "Revered" Wright engaging in "Hate-Speech"? And, if so, where are the throngs of the leftist Censorshi...er, I mean Hate Police to squelch this man? (The question is, of course, rhetorical). Apparently, the only people who get a free pass on "Hate Speech" would be minorities (preferably African-American, but any race/group other than white/hetros will do) and radical islamicists. Apparently, "Hate Speech" is an offense reserved for red-staters, or perhaps anyone who isn't a registered Democrat - or just perhaps anyone not living within the city limits of Berkeley, CA (aka, The Socialist Republic of...).

229 Izzy Dunne  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:06:01pm

The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith


Hmmm. He's only been a Christian for twenty-odd years.

Wonder what he was before that?

230 vagabond trader  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:06:55pm

Note to Barry: Your charlatan of a reverend is no Christian. Get a clue.

231 swabbie41  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:06:57pm

Quacker? re: #229 Izzy Dunne

232 TimeQuake  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:07:24pm

re: #220 Lumyrra

"Forbidden". Is it from Michelle Malkin's site? I'll look there, thanks.

233 vagabond trader  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:09:47pm

and he does not care for the right wing conservative blogging internet and radio talking about this. lol, it was your idiot pastor who hustled the tapes on your church website.Guess those dumb white roosting chickens ordered up a few.

234 stuiec  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:12:03pm

re: #188 Nevergiveup

re: #170 lone_wolf_in_illinois

I smell a fatwa.

I smell a wink and a nod

I smell horsepuckey. Since when did the Arabs need Islamic radicalism to prompt them to murder Jews and seek Israel's annihilation?

Obama cleverly scores a point for "recognizing the Islamofascist threat" while diverting attention from the Arab world's intractable Jew-hatred -- a Jew-hatred certainly shared by Reverend Wright's hero and buddy Louis Farrakhan, if not by the good Reverend himself.

235 conservgirl  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:12:51pm

re: #187 Dax

All this racism crap on a day when Tiger Woods and his white wife buy a $65MM home in the Hamptons. Yes THAT Tiger Woods, from the racist, old-white-boys community of the PGA living in the blue-blooded old-white-guys community of The Hamptons.

We are so sick of this racist/victim BS I done see how this drivel can possibly get traction.

Amen brother!

I had people over on reddit post things like MS votes for Obama, amazing?! Most of our elected officials are black, like in Jackson and Hattiesburg, the mayors, the city council. Same with the Delta.

Things have drastically changed in this country. Let's admit it, rejoice and move on.

236 wanumba  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:13:22pm

About that HIV/AIDS business ...
Here's something to fact-check for the researchers in the Lizard pool:

Verify dates when an unknown virus was showing up in the USA, doctors reporting they were treating patients with something they'd never seen before.
It's early 1980s - go find the dates, it's recorded. HIV/AIDS came out of Uganda. Now consider this :

I was in Western Kenya in the very early 1980s, just a few miles from the Ugandan border, near the slopes of Mt Elgon. The brutal dictator Idi Amin was still in control of Uganda, so the borders were essentially closed (smuggling never closes). Used to have beers at the Tourist Hotel (real name) with an epidemiologist from the Atlanta CDC who came up frequently to our area - they investigated the Marburg Virus (Green Monkey) Disease case that later was used as the opening incident of the hemmorragic fever scare book, The Hot Zone. The victim's employer, the Mumia Sugar Company is in the area, too.
After several trips which were to locate if possible the source for the Marburg Virus, interviewing people, checking out the flora and fauna of the caves in Mt. Elgon to identify any vectors for the disease, the virologist began coming up to investigate disturbing stories of entire villages coming down ill and dying. He'd hear rumors, come up and check, got nothing, then went back, only to hear more stories. After a bit of this, wandering up and down the Kenyan forested areas from Mt. Elgon down through Kakamega Forest areas, he began to piece together that the stories were coming out of Uganda - on the other side of the border.
It was early 1980s and the CDC virologists were standing on one side of an international boundry, in Kenya, just over the line where it was safe, being fed rumor after rumor that something awful was happening in Uganda, apart from the terror, death and bloodshed that Idi Amin was unleashing on the Ugandans. Amin's reign of horror was notorious for human sacrifice, political assassinations murder, and debauchery associated with bizarre blood cult and animal and human sacrificial rituals.

A simple assertation: Idi Amin's regime indirectly provided the means to unwittingly release the HIV/AIDS virus from its natural vector into first the Ugandans, then the world.

We have the timeline of the progress of the discovery of the virus, plus the record of the painstaking virology detective sleuthing to trace it back to its first outbreaks. Uganda as a nation had to deal with HIV/AIDS FIRST, before anyone else. Anyone stand by Amin? The President of Tanzania finally took his regime out so Amin fled to ... Saudi Arabia, suddenly contrite about all those pagan practices he'd over-indulged in.
The claim that America had anything to do with it is straight out of Soviet Propaganda files, disinformation designed to smear the USA. Got the Soviet records for that, too.

Obama would have been better served had he asked his own paternal relatives about that time, rather than Pastor Wright's version.

237 conservgirl  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:13:48pm

re: #228 swabbie41

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "Revered" Wright engaging in "Hate-Speech"? And, if so, where are the throngs of the leftist Censorshi...er, I mean Hate Police to squelch this man? (The question is, of course, rhetorical). Apparently, the only people who get a free pass on "Hate Speech" would be minorities (preferably African-American, but any race/group other than white/hetros will do) and radical islamicists. Apparently, "Hate Speech" is an offense reserved for red-staters, or perhaps anyone who isn't a registered Democrat - or just perhaps anyone not living within the city limits of Berkeley, CA (aka, The Socialist Republic of...).

Hey Swabbie, I've got your coach! JK. Ole Miss.

238 camerc  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:15:33pm

Obama employed the “Jack Ryan defense” from the movie “A Clear and Present Danger”. In the movie when a murdered drug dealer turned out to be a friend of the President, Ryan advised him not to run away from his friendship but to embrace it and the issue of his association would die. Unlike the movie Obama is embracing a living anti-American, anti-semitic, white hating racist that he has acknowledged is his friend and mentor. Obama’s wife expounds Wrights anti-Americanism. Obama is a race hustler. He's just slicker than Al Sharpton.

239 conservgirl  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:15:34pm

re: #216 strandedsf

Andrew Sullivan is heaping praise indeed...it's clear that Andrew has a man-crush on Obama and has thus willingly suspended disbelief...His rational faculty was killed by the kool-aid long ago...nothing to see here folks...move along.

Hell, I am sure Andy is on his knees. Typical.

240 Lumyrra  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:20:01pm

re: #232 TimeQuake

It is. Right at the top of the post, in fact: here.

241 Pope Insouciance IV  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:22:27pm

re: #236 wanumba

victim's employer, the Mumia Sugar Company

Probably wasn't named after any Philadelphia psycho wackjob cop killers?

242 TexasBella  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:25:18pm

Charles, you should try and link to a YouTube video of the speech that isn't directly associated with Obama's campaign. They review each and every comment and only the pro-Obama comments make the grade, misleading those with less than stellar brain cell activity.

I'm sure that since you've put up that particular link, the views will multiply like wildfire but only the "Obama is our Messiah" comments will be visible.

243 a.k.a. Will  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:28:45pm

Polls have shown that if Obama becomes the candidate, then up to 20% of Hillary supporters intend to vote for McCain in November. That was before this episode, so McCain will likely realize even more votes from Hillary supporters.

That could well give McCain a healthy winning margin, which he will embrace and explain as due to his compassionate stance on illegal aliens.
"They're all God's children (14 million)," and one of them is even the mother of a MIA soldier in Iraq.

Not the best presidential choices in my memory by a looong shot.

244 swabbie41  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:34:07pm

Conservgirl, no...I think Bobbie Petrino is still at U of A. You have our old coach - and you're welcome to him. The Rebs' down in Ole Miss will erect HDN in bronze if he goes 7-4 in Oxford. We, on the other hand, had grown tired of mediocre.

Oops, getting off topic here: Obama is finished ;)re: #237 conservgirl

245 Big Al  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:36:04pm

I thought it was a good, well-delivered speech. I thought he made the very best of a bad situation and he used a host of rhetorical machinations extremely effectively. That being said, beyond what I suspect is a genuine and sincere wish to "better the world" there is little substantive content to all of the pieties he preaches.

246 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:42:35pm

"Segregated schools were, and are, inferior schools; we still havent fixed them, fifty years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the pervasive achievement gap between todays black and white students."

/Ebonics for every school

247 Catttt  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:43:03pm
re: #59 NoSubmission

I can't be the only person who doesn't think much of Obama's oratory skills.
Frankly, his condescending affectations are wretchedly uncomfortable to listen to AND he bores the hell out of me.

When he shifts into oratory mode, the word "drone" leaps to mind, imho. His style is second-hand, old-fashioned, and boring, and his content is a series of cliches and "handles" meant to evoke emotion, not thought.

One thing I'll say for my two Democrat senators - they are both fiery speakers, and when they speak, they include content. For example, I heard Senator Cardin speak at the Holocaust Memorial last year (he is very pro-Israel), and even though he is a little guy, he seemed to be seven feet tall and tough as nails in his supportive remarks.

248 vagabond trader  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:56:02pm

re: #247 Cattt

Unfortunately, he is conning some as he is repulsing others. Just spoke to a friend, A Hillary supporter. Bad enough,but she's all breathless about supporting the Obama if Hil fails. Calls this the greatest speech she ever heard!Told her I'd help her out if need be, maybe a deprogramming.Gah,another friendship bites the dust.

249 Daisy  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:58:02pm

#214 Pope Insouciance IV
"predictions:
1. This will satisfy most people. They will give him the benefit of the doubt. The limousine liberals will declare him a god. The story will disappear by the weekend.
2. The MSM will be only too glad to help.
3. Clinton gets one more chance to wound him (I'm speaking figuratively) and then she's history.
4. McCain will not touch the race issue.

I think you're right on the money. Furthermore, I hope he wins and McCain finds his inner Conservative and beats the heck out of Obama's lies.

This too:
"... Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed."

Count me out, Obama. Not once .. ever .. have I heard anyone speak in a place of worship and say the kinds of hateful things Ayatollah Wright has said. Not one single time. Ever. I've been in synagogues where I wish the sermons would be a little less secular (and I've heard spiritually inspired sermons too). I've been in churches where I wish the minster or priest would shorten their sermons a bit or take a refresher course in public speaking. I generally attend a different one of several Black churches in my community for Easter services (I like the singing, okay?) and not ever .. have I heard hate spewed. However, I have seen kids dressed to the 9's lined up in front of the church singing a song learned in Sunday school for the congregation. It's a happy kind of place.

IMO, Obama has had to work hard to find such a crap organization w/which to affiliate himself. Perhaps, after all, the Ayatollah Wright reminded him of the imams he left behind when he embraced "Christianity".

250 conservgirl  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 1:04:13pm

re: #244 swabbie41

Conservgirl, no...I think Bobbie Petrino is still at U of A. You have our old coach - and you're welcome to him. The Rebs' down in Ole Miss will erect HDN in bronze if he goes 7-4 in Oxford. We, on the other hand, had grown tired of mediocre.

Oops, getting off topic here: Obama is finished ;)

Soo true on Houston Dale Nutt, if he wins 7. I love your stadium and Fayetteville, neat little town.

We got tired of Mediocre then hired Coach O. Hell we are excited about the great texter, I mean Coach Nutt.

251 irongrampa  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 1:05:12pm

After digesting Obama's speech, I have to redact what I said about "nice suit+Obama=empty man." This person is DANGEROUS, in a way that hasn't been encountered to date. Fear his election, people.

252 Daisy  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 1:07:16pm
"Segregated schools were, and are, inferior schools; we still havent fixed them, fifty years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the pervasive achievement gap between todays black and white students."

Yeah right. I wish he'd explain how so many of the White 'segregated' schools do so incredibly well. And how even the crap 'segregated' (Black or White or any combination thereof) schools manage to produce excellent learners and achievers. Parental guidance and values anyone? Hell no, not when you can whine and throw even more $$$ at schools that already waste way too much tax $$$.

253 AuntAcid  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 1:14:26pm

Here's an another nutter of the same ilk as the Reverend Wright.

254 TimeQuake  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 1:34:33pm

re: #240 Lumyrra

Thank you.

255 ladycatnip  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 1:35:02pm

#253 AuntAcid

Thanks for the link. This man is a nut job.

Accusing the white man of putting stuff in their water, in their malt liquor, spraying manganese at night so they'll kill people. This is called paranoid schizophrenia.

This man needs to be institutionalized; he and Wright can share the same room.

256 cartoonboy  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 1:38:40pm

Pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain!

257 84fiero  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 2:10:55pm

"...just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed..."

Nope. I think this shows what a completely different world this guy lives in. He may truly think that this type of behavior is normal in houses of worship in America. If this is his only church experience after conversion (btw, conversion from... what, exactly? atheism, Islam, he never has made clear to me, or maybe I haven't cared enough to ask the question until now). But none of my priests has never veered into politics of any kind, much less the type of ignorant hate speech like that of Rev Wright.

I just really wish this bomb would've dropped at a better time, such as closer to the convention or a few weeks before the general election (if B?O is the Dem nominee). I think it would've had more impact... but hopefully I'm wrong and people will remember that Obama's closest friends and supporters are people like Wright.

258 84fiero  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 2:12:39pm

re: #257 84fiero

oops, PIMF... meant to write "...none of my priests has ever veered into politics of any kind..."

259 mean Gene  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 2:33:56pm
'I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus,'' Obama told ABC News, ''but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude.''

''He didn't just cross the line,'' Obama said. ''He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America.''
April 11, 2007

260 psaturn  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 2:38:34pm

re: #193 gettinby

So...one would not need a "trained ear" to attend and understand?!

/I would love for The O to explain in further detail about a "trained ear."

Speaking of The O, if it's been discussed, I apologize; BUT, with his judgment being so damned deplorable choosing a spiritual mentor like the reverend wrong, can you IMAGINE the judges he would select?!?!

That is a good question gettinby...what does he mean by TRAINED EARS...

It is true that in many communities they have their own language...like for example in my church we speak Christianese...we use a vocabulary that we know what it means...and in different Christian community, same words could mean different to other communities. I have noticed that Rev Wright and Rev Moss of Trinity United Church of Christ used the word "prophetic"...I know their understanding of that word is different from Hal Lindsey for example, or even with mine. I went through a very intensive PROPHETIC training in a prophetic camp in Florida and it had nothing to do with eschatology (Hal Lindsey's speciality) or with races or cultures or slavery or liberation theology (TUCC).

261 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 2:51:25pm

re: #22 chedub

"I can no more disown him [Rev. Wright] than I can my white grandmother,”

And he's done everything possible to try to disown her and any of his white heritage.

comparing his white grandmother who raised him, to this black man who hates white people. barrack is a really confused damaged person who has lost his values and all sense of right and wrong. or he is the ultimate con-artist just trying to capitalize on the victim card. either way, he is a sick twisted person and above all very dangerous. someone like this is not fit to be potus.

262 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 2:52:55pm

he is as dangerous as mugabe.

263 rb4269  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 3:19:49pm

Ah, The Mendacity of 'Hope'

264 lEONIDASOFSPARTA  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 3:25:39pm

man oh man- what a con job.

First he says he's NEVER HEARD the Rev.TwoWrongsWright say ANY OF THOSE PESKY LITTLE HATE-WHITEY statements.

Then he says that we're ALL CHERRY PICKING and only seeing part of the picture.

SAY WHAT? Whatchu-talkin' about Willis? Does he imagine we can't remember from one decade to the next- let alone from one week or month to the next?

There's a HUGE stockpile of Rev. TwoWrongsWright's speeches saved for posterity (or, in a pinch, toilet paper.) Not one or two speeches-- A FULL BORE ARSENAL. And in every paragraph of every one of those speeches, he is SO FAR FROM JESUS you can't see or hear Jesus in ANY of his rantings.

The snake-oil wagon is loaded up. GO HOME Hussein and take your lies with you.

265 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 3:40:30pm

Obama's defense is along these lines.

My dog didn't bite you because he would never bite anyone and besides I always keep him chained up in the backyard and besides I don't even have a dog.

266 Shoe  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 4:34:59pm

I am a retired Navy officer, and one thing I learned on 21 years of active duty is that a leader who walks by a problem and says nothing, condones that problem. It doesn't matter if it is a dirty head (bathroom), unshaven sailor, or muttered racist remark. If you don't act on that problem, everyone - EVERYONE - around you interprets that as you accepting the situation as it is.

That was a great speech Obama gave. But it still doesn't excuse his behavior. His silence and inaction during twenty years of racist rantings from the pulpit of the church of his choice speak volumes. As an up and coming leader in greater Chicago, Obama's quiet attendance gave credence to Wright's words in the eyes of the rest of the congregation.

267 ctrlL  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 5:29:22pm

re: #266 Shoe

Dear Barack, I have a Grandmother too.

Just stopped by to tell 'my story' about MY GRANDMOTHER. We had a most wonderful relationship and she taught me everything that she knew; cooking, sewing, knitting, rug braiding, crochet, oil painting, and other sundry crafts that she enjoyed and had learned. My Mom had 3 other children and I was priviledged to visit often with my grandparents. She was born in 1898 and grew up in Nova Scotia and lived later in Boston and, after marriage, moved to the suburbs.

When I was in my teens, around 1960's I think, she used the term 'N _ _ _ ' in my presence. I immediately said something ... it was not pretty as I had never, ever spoken to her this way. I simply told her that she was to never use that word in my presence again, that it had a terrible connotation and that if she did, she would not see me again. THIS WAS MY DEAR GRANDMOTHER ! She did not object or say anything (I'm sure that she was stunned). She also never used the term again around me.

CHANGE starts with just one person, Barack. You missed your opportunity in 1991, when you joined and started hearing the hateful pastor of this church. You allowed this to continue to fester for 17 years ?! For shame ...
Still hopeful for change,
'Whitey'

/sad, but you are not qualified to lead this great Country

268 Steffan  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 8:42:31pm

I wonder if Obama or Wright can identify this list:

George Gordon Meade
John Reynolds
Oliver Howard
Winfield Scott Hancock
George Sykes
John Sedgwick
Dan Sickles
Strong Vincent
Joshua L. Chamberlain
John Buford

They're all white, btw. No doubt Wright will sneer at them.

269 USS Ben  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 8:50:34pm

re: #267 ctrlL

Dear Barack, I have a Grandmother too.

Just stopped by to tell 'my story' about MY GRANDMOTHER. We had a most wonderful relationship and she taught me everything that she knew; cooking, sewing, knitting, rug braiding, crochet, oil painting, and other sundry crafts that she enjoyed and had learned. My Mom had 3 other children and I was priviledged to visit often with my grandparents. She was born in 1898 and grew up in Nova Scotia and lived later in Boston and, after marriage, moved to the suburbs.

When I was in my teens, around 1960's I think, she used the term 'N _ _ _ ' in my presence. I immediately said something ... it was not pretty as I had never, ever spoken to her this way. I simply told her that she was to never use that word in my presence again, that it had a terrible connotation and that if she did, she would not see me again. THIS WAS MY DEAR GRANDMOTHER ! She did not object or say anything (I'm sure that she was stunned). She also never used the term again around me.

CHANGE starts with just one person, Barack. You missed your opportunity in 1991, when you joined and started hearing the hateful pastor of this church. You allowed this to continue to fester for 17 years ?! For shame ...
Still hopeful for change,
'Whitey'

/sad, but you are not qualified to lead this great Country

And remember: Obama's Grandmother can't defend herself.
We are just supposed to believe the word of a proven liar?

I don't think so, Obama!

270 USS Ben  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 9:29:13pm

Lessee...Obama demonstrates envy and bitterness projected at "rich folks...and he's rich himself?

A liar and a hypocrite of the highest order! Let's compare how much Dick Cheney gave to charity and how much Obama gave.
BTW, your "Church" don't count, because your Black Theology, Black Ethics, and Black, black, yada yada supremecy BS is not a charity. It's an indoctrination into racism, classism, victimology, and hate towards anyone who doesn't buy into your vile paradigm of communism.

Obama condemns the wealthy and he is one. He's condemning himself then, isn't he? Oh wait...he's above those principles he set for others..

He might not be overtly racist, although it's clear that he is, but he is overtly promoting class warfare and the extortion commies are infamous for.

Here's a clue for you, Obama:
There are good rich folks and bad rich folks.
There are good poor folks and bad poor folks.

Your obsessive envy, hate and bitterness of rich folks, betrays your true colors.

The color of a hatemongerer, just like your "spiritual advisor."
You have the gall to lecture rich folks, most of whom are good people who give good jobs, while enjoying wealth for yourself.
You simply project your guilt onto rich WHITE men.

You and your Pastor perpetuate racism, classism, and any form of hatemongering that'll help to give you power.

People like you, your fellow congregation, Farrakhan, Sharpton and Jackson are presently the biggest obstacles to a color blind society in the USA!

You're real good at blaming others for your vile attitude.
You may fool the Leftist moonbats but you won't fool the majority of Americans.

Americans that won't tolerate a bigot like you.
You sir are just asnother AINO!
American In Name Only. And exactly what AINO sounds like!

You and all your AINO worshippers deserve to be tarred and feathered, and banished to Iran or the Sudan, because you haven't got one ounce of gratitude and you don't hold a spark to men like MLK, or Thomas Sowell or Clarence Thomas!

Those men have Honor! Something you will never be able to buy, steal or extort with you racist bigotry!
The kind of hate you're passing on to your daughters, and all the children in your "church."

Yeah, we have seen the kind of "hope" and "change" you preach, and your hoards of AINO's will follow your false promises, but American Patriots see through your BS!

271 jenv  Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:02:20pm

re: #36 ArcherB

How does blaming whitey help those suffering from HIV/AIDS? How does blaming whitey help with the drug problems in America, especially among the black community?


Only by blaming whitey can you extort money from them in order to cleanse their supposed sins.


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