How many threads have been for this subject. Gah...hate the media.

Don't worry, Obama will fix it.

/

wow. AP does it's best to eflect

NAME THAT PARTY

As I noted previously, NPR this morning called this a "new record high".

Um, every additional death is a "new record high", you morons.

Nobody DIED on 9/11.

They were killed.

For each and every one of them. May he/she rest in peace.
God keep them.

Damn. I should've trademarked "grim milestone"... they sure get alot of mileage from that phrase.

Had to sit in a hospital waiting area today where CNN was playing. Special graphics for the occasion. Got up and walked outside.

re: #3 jjmckay1216

my bad, wrong thread

/delete me

God Bless the troops, they are doing a superb job!

/stay out of harm's way

I guess we shouldn't have fought in World War II, then, since more of our people died in the war than died at Pearl Harbor. Or something....

re: #2 laZardo

I'm still not voting for him

Clearly, the best way to honor these dead is to elect an inexperienced empty suit as President, who hangs out with racist weirdos, and to then promptly retreat and surrender, and leave all decent Iraqis to be slaughtered. Every progressive understands this.

Quislings.

re: #4 Occasional Reader

As I noted previously, NPR this morning called this a "new record high".

Um, every additional death is a "new record high", you morons.

thats just not exciting enough.

As I said when I posted this in the Spinoff Links yesterday:

How predictable can an omnipotent left-wing propaganda machine get?

Nobody loves war more than the media.

re: #5 Ben Hur

Nobody DIED on 9/11.

They were killed.

More accurately - they were murdered by Islamic terrorists who hijacked multiple planes with the intent to murder tens of thousands of people at the WTC. Had the towers collapsed at the time of impact, and not 90-120 minutes later, the toll would have been catastrophic.

May the Souls of our Troops rest in the Resurrected Lord
& May the Peace for which they gave up their lives come to pass. Amen

re: #11 Teacherlady

I guess we shouldn't have fought in World War II, then, since more of our people died in the war than died at Pearl Harbor. Or something....

I think we shouldnt be in DC because how many people have been killed there since the war started?

Grim milestone? When will they switch to metric?

Repetition is the MSM's strongest weapon.

I heard a quote from a Pentagon spokesman that I thought was good. It was to the effect of; every member of our armed forces is precious to us, and every death is a loss. But this 4,000 number itself means nothing; this is not a lottery.

Hey Charles, was there any coverage of out grim 5,000,000 milestone watch?

;)

I hate the MSM worse than sin itself. What a bunch of offal-eating jackals. When My daughter and I decided to start selling bumperstickers and stuff that slammed the democrats the two main issues we were thinking about were Hillary Clinton getting elected and the mainstream media's attempt to cost us victory in Iraq. Some of our first creations were our V for Victory stickers. Before we got them published the war started going so well that the MSM now has to ignore it to avoid publishing any good news. So we have moved on and added other stuff on other subjects.
My daughter is still sure that the Black Helicopters will come take me away for saying this stuff one of these days.

I wish the media would put this in some perspective and let us see the other side of the tally sheet. I have no idea how many terrorists we have killed. 20,000 50,000, 100,000?
Why isn't this information released anywhere?

I'll just rehash what I said about the 2000 "grim milestone" in '05 and leave it at that:

To you 2000 and any that might fall after you:

I appreciate what your sacrifice means. I know that my way of life and everything I enjoy and take for granted, from power generated using imported oil safeguarded by American military power to the most generous system of laws the world has ever known right on to my personal safety in my home under the rule of law, is all possible because of a long green line called the American military.

I write to you as a man whom no army would have and who, by disposition, would make the worst of soldiers, discipline and respect for authority are simply alien concepts to me. But I am someone who has read hundreds of books of history and biographies and I know more than just something of military history. I know what I have and am grateful for it; I am grateful to you, because without you, my life would be incomparably worse.

I salute you 2000 as fallen liberators who did what all the experts said could not be done- you smashed an evil regime in less than forty days, the greatest generals of American history can all look upon you as the embodiment of the army that began at Lexington and Concord. I salute you for fighting a humane war. I salute you for doing something rare in military history, falling in the field of battle so an enemy civilian might not have to die. Not only is what you fought for more valuable than anything our enemies have to offer, you proved the worthlessness of our enemies' ideas by fighting nobly and with honor.

I salute you for fighting the toughest kind of war, a guerrilla combat, against a foe that hides among civilians. I salute you for proving every single "media expert" wrong, from the number of civilian casualties, to your ability to fight in cities without massive casualties and the fact that when the Iraqi people waved their purple fingers in the air, they validated everything you fight for and proved once again that you fight as liberators and not colonists.

I salute your injured comrades. I know that some have suffered wounds that will make them even less suited for combat than I am. After leading young and healthy lives, they will be reminded every day of what they sacrificed on the field of honor by their very day to day existence. I salute their families and loved ones who will have to deal with their suffering every day. I personally know of such suffering and would wish it on no one.

And I salute your fellow soldiers. I salute them for the having the same courage and honor as the dead and the injured. Far away from families and living in harsh conditions, many will carry the deaths and suffering of their comrades in arms as bitter memories and lifelong psychological wounds.

All I can give you is my support and these words. All I can do is tell America a simple truth: only winning this war can make such sacrifice worthwhile. Only marching out of Iraq as liberating victors hailed for delivering a nation to freedom and giving hope to all who endure tyranny on this earth can make any of this war worthwhile. Let the fear that you might march again cause dictators for 100 years to fear what you did to Saddam, his evil regime and their terrorist allies.

To the fallen, rest now. No one will ever honor me the way I will honor you; few will remember me but hundreds of years from now, you will be remembered and treasured as great. You have entered history and your deeds and courage are immortal.

re: #19 lawhawk

More accurately - they were murdered by Islamic terrorists who hijacked multiple planes with the intent to murder tens of thousands of people at the WTC. Had the towers collapsed at the time of impact, and not 90-120 minutes later, the toll would have been catastrophic.

Over 10K definately. Its a good thing the feds are soo incompetant and rove didnt realize that they needed bigger explosions to bring the towers down right away.

Good news:

Trinity has set up a "Resurrection Fund." Send lots of money now!

He offered no additional specifics about the fund, telling churchgoers he didn’t want to get into it because Trinity is streaming the service live on the Web and the services are available for purchase on DVD.

shhhhh. They're watching.

re: #20 Lobosan5

May the Souls of our Troops rest in the Resurrected Lord
& May the Peace for which they gave up their lives come to pass. Amen

Amen

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey,

Remember when the Battle of Bagdhad was supposed to be the next Stalingrad? We've actually done amazingly well in this war. Every time we win a victory, though, the L³eftists in the Media just move the goal posts.

re: #27 redshirt

I wish the media would put this in some perspective and let us see the other side of the tally sheet. I have no idea how many terrorists we have killed. 20,000 50,000, 100,000?
Why isn't this information released anywhere?

silly redshirt, we are only killing civilians.

"Milestone."

How very ethnocentric of them.

The fact that we have citizens volunteering for military service knowing that they are going to war is what gives stateside Americans real HOPE for our country. That's a bright future that cuts through the Marxist propaganda bureaus like a laser and it's why the Left is invested in defeat.

Grim milestone my reflective Whitey ASS! Resolve Milestone, beeeyotch!

And Iraq is not a "war."

We are not fighting Iraq.

Any articles on the not dead because Saddam is gone?

Any articles on the not dead because the bad guys are focused on Iraq and not here and elsewhere?

Any articles on the ratio of liberate people to Soldiers who gave the last full measure?

Any articles on the historically low rate of combat deaths in this conflict.

Didn't think so.

4000 is a number without context.

Means nothing to me what the MSM enjoys about the deaths of our Brave Troops, everytime one of them fall they take a part of me with them, and I have many parts to go, because those parts are the Love I have for them! Brave Men are guarding the streets of Heaven!

Every lie the media tell is another 'grim milestone'.

re: #35 Sol Roth

The fact that we have citizens volunteering for military service knowing that they are going to war is what gives stateside Americans real HOPE for our country. That's a bright future that cuts through the Marxist propaganda bureaus like a laser and it's why the Left is invested in defeat.

Grim milestone my reflective Whitey ASS! Resolve Milestone, beeeyotch!

It's because they have no other options, being minorities and po' white folk from the Appalachians.

Patriotism has nothing to do with it.

/LLL

Wasn't Grim Milestone a death metal band from Norway? These guys would know...

re: #40 Ben Hur

tried to find you on the tube yesterday but no luck.

“If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world but I am sure we would be getting reports from hell before breakfast

general sherman

re: #36 Ben Hur

And Iraq is not a "war."

We are not fighting Iraq.

THANK YOU! I patiently remind the moonbats I encounter that:

1) We are not occupying Iraq. We are there at the inviation of the democratically-elected government to help them maintain peace.

2) We are not fighting Iraq. We are fighting those, often foreign, who are the terrorists trying to destabilize that government.

After a quick search, I find that approximately 40,000 people are killed each year in highway accidents, That would be 200,000 Americans killed on roads since the start of the war. Perhaps we should pull out of the roads as well.
I'm sure that women and children were the hardest hit as well.

re: #18 Ben Hur

Nobody loves our enemies more than the media.

Adjusted.

God bless each and every one of them. We shall not forget them, or their sacrifice, and I promise to work for their goals to become a reality. That being said, the number is so low that it is possibly statistically comparable to the average number of deaths in the same time period for the same number of people (about 160,000), and could in fact be lower. Someone might want to look in to that. As a comparison, 5,000 people died in training for the D-Day invasion.

Hey everyone, the kid becomes a USMC recruiter next month probably going to upper midwest (is that vague enough?) Your support will mean a lot.

Also, he said that with the fire bombing and protests, if it does come to a civil war "we'll win."

4000 Deaths = Liberal Porn

re: #10 Lively

God Bless the troops, they are doing a superb job!

/stay out of harm's way

Ditto.

As for the video, with the exception of the first few seconds, it is a moving tribute to those we've lost over there. To me, that's what's important, that we remember our troops.

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

The fight against such opposition is sort of like a Thirteenth Labor of Hercules.

Labors of Hercules sounds like another great Heavy Metal band name.

/Don't know why I seem to have reactionary Metal references on the brain this morning....

Last night I watched our troops recalling 5 years later what they've accomplished in Iraq on Ollie North's series "War Stories."

Bless them each & every one, the quick and the dead, for sacrificing to make others free, as Abraham Lincoln directed American citizens to do, and as have other great American Presidents called us to do.

re: #49 Eowyn2

Good luck to him. That has to be a particularly thankless job these days.

A grim statistic but a milestone ? Most of us hear milestone and we think of an accomplishment ... The only people that should consider 4,000 dead Americans a milestone are the terrorists ...

Time to make the donuts. Good day y'all.

Michael Moore is a tick, feeding off the blood of our brave troops.

re: #32 Iron Fist

Remember when the Battle of Bagdhad was supposed to be the next Stalingrad?

"Baghdad is an impenetrable fortress"

--Robert Fisk

bwaaahahahaha

OT:

Just wanted to drop a note stating I hope I didn't offend any Christian (or Jewish) lizards for that matter with my little Easter send-up I posted on the early morning thread. At the time, I was blithely unaware of the "Easter Thread" tumult, and certainly didn't want to pour gas on its smoldering remains.

Remember Me!

One other report from the crowd in the Hospital waiting room. CNN actually played a section of the racist reverends "chickens coming home to roost" little rant. The sound level jumped 20 dbs for the next minute. The 'average Pennsylvania white people' in the room are not pleased with Obama.

re: #58 Occasional Reader

"Baghdad is an impenetrable fortress"

--Robert Fisk

bwaaahahahaha

Baghdad Bob, "There are no Americans in Baghdad."
Clearly audible in the background a .50 Cal firing.

I'd like to have Hillary or Obamessiah speak about the 4,000 daily abortions that happen in America with some kind of rational logic.

Michael Moore is a fat slob!

Good article at Power Line this morning. George is doing much better with the public than the MSM would have you believe.

Does Everyone Hate President Bush?

re: #64 moe_tieff

good point, indeed.

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Ya I remember Fisk. When they reported he got beat by some islamic sheepheads I was close to cheering. Impregnable fortress! he wouldn't know it if you pulled it out of his butt!

Reminder to anyone who prefers reason, and facts to hysteria:
Ten costliest battles of the Civil War
[Link: www.civilwarhome.com...]
Sample: First two bloodiest:
Gettysburg:July 1-3, 1863
3 Days of battle.
Casualties: 51,112

Battle of Chicamauga
September 12-20, 1863
2 days of battle
Casualities: 34,624

re: #64 moe_tieff

I'd like to have Hillary or Obamessiah speak about the 4,000 daily abortions that happen in America with some kind of rational logic.

Welcome to LGF, that particular subject is one by request of the Boss Lizard and mutual consent of Lizardom is one best avoided.

So, where do they give the number of people Saddam killed? Why do I think it is much more than 4000?

I challenge CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC to dedicate and entire news hour or two (without commercial interruption) and read the names of each soldier who has given their lives in this war - just like they did after 1000 soldiers had died. After all, the 4000th death is no less sorrowful and, by no means, less meaningful than the 1000th. Or will it go to show that the MSM and its left-wing ilk are no more than opportunist who mark occasions like this as if it had been a countdown to some home run record being broken (Bonds at 60, 61, 62 now, . . . any day he will pass that milestone).

War is an undisputed hell and our brave soldiers know that. Keeping track on a daily basis like a child awaiting Christmas does no more than serve the feel-good minds of the MSM.

Imagine the media's reaction to Antietam.

The battle was over by 5:30 p.m. Losses for the day were heavy on both sides. The Union had 12,401 casualties with 2,108 dead. Confederate casualties were 10,318 with 1,546 dead. This represented 25% of the Federal force and 31% of the Confederate.[51] More Americans died on September 17, 1862, than on any other day in the nation's military history, including World War II's D-Day and the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

Has Michael Moore ever once said anything positive about our soldiers' contributions in Iraq?

Has Michael Moore ever distinguished between the advantages and disadvantages of the War in Iraq?

I have a strange feeling, though, that he could clearly enunciate the advantages of getting the Double Whopper w/ Cheese versus the Bacon Double Cheeseburger at Burger King.

And how many Iraqis would have gone into the plastic shredders had the Coalition not settled Saddam's bloodlust ?
But they don't matter to the MSM - They're Muslims !

re: #65 vapig

Michael Moore is a fat slob!

* * *
And Disney likes Michael Moore!

Oddly enough, Disney made money off Michael Moore's film "Fahrenheit 9/11" by selling its distribution rights, but Disney won't release "The Path to 9/11" as a DVD because Clinton folks don't want to be 'misunderstood' for their feckless cowardice & inaction against terrorism.

In Washington Times article of this past Saturday.

re: #69 wanumba

And that was with a total US population of about fifth of what it is today.

re: #46 redshirt

After a quick search, I find that approximately 40,000 people are killed each year in highway accidents, That would be 200,000 Americans killed on roads since the start of the war. Perhaps we should pull out of the roads as well.
I'm sure that women and children were the hardest hit as well.

I'm sure Obama and Hillary already have a plan for government to take care of that too.

re: #71 Kosh's Shadow

So, where do they give the number of people Saddam killed? Why do I think it is much more than 4000?

* * *
You're so right, PBS documented that Saddam gassed MORE than 5,000 Kurds in Halabja back in 1988. Cousin Chemical Ali alone did that.

April 28, 1944, off Slapton Sands.

Nine German torpedo boats ravage a training exercise.

749 died that night.

Imagine today's MSM with that.

Play me that crazy preacher again, will you, about how maybe God, in all his infinite wisdom, may not exactly be blessing America these days.

Moore, just get the fuck out of my country. Get out. Move to Cuba. Move to North Korea. Put your money where your fat, slobbering mouth is. You repulsive piece of quasi-human waste.

This really shows the stunted mathematical development of moonbats. Instead of using the millennials, every two deaths in the binary system is a sad milestone where each death is to be morned and respected for their service to family and country.

re: #82 Occasional Reader

I love what the Southpark guys did with him and his character in Team America. man that was a funny movie. I definately peed more than a few times watching that one...

OT

[Link: tizona.wordpress.com...]

Rebroadcast in 15-20 minutes. Rev. Wright.

And there could be up to a million Iraqi dead

Got a source for that, Mikey? You know... facts, that kind of thing?

No?

Well, it feels true, anyway. Right.

Here's something to dwell upon.

Took a quick look at the FBI stats from 2001 to 2005 inclusive of the murder statistics for the following 7 Cities. LA, Denver, New York, Dallas, Houston, Phoenix And New Orleans. Population approx 19 Mil.

Iraq Pop 22.2 Mil

Murders in the 7 cities listed above for the 5 available years:8,748

Twice the amount of COMBAT deaths in our own country!

But if they get removed via Hildebeast or the NON-TWG it will all be for not.

re: #82 Occasional Reader

Moore, just get the fuck out of my country. Get out. Move to Cuba. Move to North Korea. Put your money where your fat, slobbering mouth is. You repulsive piece of quasi-human waste.

I'll wager Moore's version of God's blessing is a house in the Hampton's, a Cadillac Escalade, and free health care.

His ignorance out weighs is rotundness.

re: #82 Occasional Reader

Moore, just get the fuck out of my country. Get out. Move to Cuba.

He makes too much money off of self-righteous, indignant Lefties to relocate. Pays for his swanky uptown digs and non-proletariat lifestyle.

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

Whether or not Michael Moore eats Double Whoppers, he tells them routinely.

* * *
Does Michael Moore have an opinion of the war happening in Detroit, or does he excuse the corrupt dictator of Detroit?

(Didn't Moore make his name by trashing the leader of Detroit's General Motors--the people who MADE jobs for Michigan's people?)

re: #74 gman

Has Michael Moore ever once said anything positive about our soldiers' contributions in Iraq?

Has Michael Moore ever distinguished between the advantages and disadvantages of the War in Iraq?

I have a strange feeling, though, that he could clearly enunciate the advantages of getting the Double Whopper w/ Cheese versus the Bacon Double Cheeseburger at Burger King.

So, how many heart attacks have the Double Whoppers and Double Cheeseburgers caused? What is the "grim milestone" for those heart-attacks-on-a-bun? Come on, media, tell us!
/sarc

Yes, we know Mikey, you sooo love America.

re: #82 Occasional Reader

Moore, just get the fuck out of my country. Get out. Move to Cuba. Move to North Korea. Put your money where your fat, slobbering mouth is. You repulsive piece of quasi-human waste.

North Korea: totalitarian diet farm. No way to cheat - one big starvation regime from border to border.

re: #88 jcm

Remember he invested his ill gotten gains in defense contracting corporations.

re: #94 cont.
[Link: archive.newsmax.com...]

Unofficial estimates are that there may be up to 100,000 wounded, injured, or mentally ruined by this war.

If we include you, mr. moore, it's 100,001.

Including Haliburton...

re: #94 Roger

Remember he invested his ill gotten gains in defense contracting corporations.

Moore's stock in trade is lies. He lives, breath, and regurgitates lies. And enough people lap it up to make him fat.

re: #96 Sharmuta

If we include you, mr. moore, it's 100,001.

You can't include Mr. Moore in that. He was mentally ruined well before the war.

re: #94 Roger

Remember he invested his ill gotten gains in defense contracting corporations.

Peter Schweizer's Do As I Say . . . absolutely nails Moore's horseshit hypocrisy to the wall. Recommended reading.

Any chance that Mikey is one of the demonrats superdelegates?
What with Kilpatrick and all, this is promising to be a very interesting democrat convention. Anybody here remember '68 and/or '72?

re: #96 Sharmuta

If we include you, mr. moore, it's 100,001.

He was mentally ruined long before the war.

re: #96 Sharmuta

If we include you, mr. moore, it's 100,001.

He was ruined well before Iraq.

Moore's invocation of God is what gets me. He is the most shameless cynic on the left.

Truly evil, if I may say so.....

They are still waiting for Kwame's press conference. It sounds like this will happen soon.

re: #100 Honorary Yooper

You beat me to the very obvious line.

Kwame's up by the podium. It looks like it's time for the press conferecne. Kwame's lawyer is speaking.

And Moore isn't "ruined". It's not like something terrible happened to him.

He's evil. It's different.

lol Michael Moore

/now I'm actually going to bed. Night all!

100,000 mentally wounded by the war ?

how about 100,000,000 mentally wounded enough to vote democrat

hell, even "registering as a democrat is a sign of psychosis"

a great idea to rotating title, if you ask me

5 years to many
4,000 deaths to many
1,000,000 cheeseburgers to many
/ Michael Moore, AKA the food-blister.

Worthwhile viewing is also (admitted political Leftists) Debbie Melnyk and Rick Caine's film Manufacturing Dissent. Reveals what a truly disengenuous uber-turd Moore actually is.

If this were a "war" in every legal sense, could Moore be indicted for treason? It would be a small but satisfying consolation to be able to go all fahrenheit 451 on his fat rear.

Single Days in US Military History with more killed than entire Iraq War:

April 6- April 7, 1862: Battle of Shiloh 3,600 killed, 16,000 wounded
September 17, 1862: Battle of Antietam, over 6,000 killed, 23k total casualties in 10 hours, bloodiest single day battle in US history, the 40 acre cornfield was the site of almost 4,000 casualties alone

May 3, 1863:Battle of Chancellorsville, 21,990 casualties in 5 hours, an average of over 4,000 per hour

July 1-3, 1863: Battle of Gettysburg, 50,000 casualties, over 7,000 killed, Pickett's division of 15,000 men will suffer more than 7,000 casualties in less than 1 hour of fighting

May 3-5 1864: Battle of the Wilderness
May 15, 1864: Battle of the Spottsylvania Courthouse, The 2nd Corps of the Army of the Potomac lost almost 4,000 men in just over 5 hours of fighting at the Mule Shoe Salient
June 3, 1864: Union army suffers approximately 7,500 casualties in just over 30 minutes during the general assault on rebel lines
July 30,1864: Battle of the Crater, Union casualties 5000, CSA 1300

During the Overland campaign of 1864 from May to the end of June 1864 the Army of the Potomac suffered almost 70,000 casualties. Those who believe that the Iraq war is a bloodbath are ignorant of history. I pity those who haven't learned our nation's past, for they are doomed to a life of ignorance and hollowness.

re: #111 laZardo

night!

re: #106 coquimbojoe

Notice the left's fascination with a retributive God?

I had a terrible time with a Tom Toles cartoon blaming hurricane season on Florida's vote.

re: #106 coquimbojoe

Moore's invocation of God is what gets me. He is the most shameless cynic on the left.

Truly evil, if I may say so.....

Have you ever read James A. Michener's The Source, the is section describing the Temple of Baal and the Priests. Moore reminds me of the priests.

World War I was so horrific that to this day humanity strives to suppress its memory.

The British suffered 1,700 casualties A DAY for FIVE YEARS.

A profound book on the subject here.

re: #96 Sharmuta

That part you quoted perfectly illustrates the worthlessness of the media. Unofficial estimates? What`s newsworthy about that? Joe Blow at the bar makes "unofficial estimates". Ditto for the "mentally ruined" bit. What the hell does that mean? They`re trying to paint our newest veterans as victims and having a mental stability that shatters like glass.

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More combat deaths perspective:

Revolutionary War: 4,435 combat deaths. Those who died from disease number at least ten times that.

Operation Desert Storm, which lasted from Jan. 16th - Feb. 25th, 1991 resulted in 148 KIA, or 3.7 deaths per death. The current Iraq war, which has lasted just over 5 calendar years has resulted in 4,000 KIA, or 2.19 deaths per day. The casualty rate is lower in this war than it was in the first Gulf War, which is held up as a model of an "antiseptic" war.

re: #111 laZardo

I like the related Steve Martin's Michael Moore joke

re: #117 Roger

I just hope that if I live to see 2030, we won't remember this like the textbooks do with Vietnam (where coverage ends with "Vietnam United.")

/actually, definitely going to bed now.

and Kwame's wife isn't by his side. Odd isn't it?

I'll never forget this cartoon I saw from Cox and Forkum a few years ago when the death toll hit 2,000 which showed a small party with democrats, anti-war protesters, media and terrorists partying and drinking to celebrate with an anti-war protester hanging on an terrorist saying "and here's to two thousand more". I almost wonder if that's what the news room is like.

"Mentally ruined?"
Michael Moore get yur head outta yur ass.

re: #103 unreconstructed rebel

Any chance that Mikey is one of the demonrats superdelegates?

He could be several.

re: #100 Honorary Yooper

Touché!

re: #123 JimmyTheClaw

> A burglar broke into a house one night.
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> the wires, clearas a bell he heard,
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>
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> looking for the source of the voice.
>
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> came to rest on a parrot.
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ROFLMAO

re: #106 coquimbojoe

Moore's invocation of God is what gets me. He is the most shameless cynic on the left.

This from Frank J. at I.M.A.O.:

I've never been to a liberal church, so I have no idea what stuff they talk about there. The whole idea of liberals and Christianity is kinda odd. At times, Jesus can be a real right-wing Christian -- especially about sex -- and liberals hate that. Isn't it a lot easier to just not believe in the guy than to find some way to twist around His words so that you can imagine Him saying, "Abortion is awesome!"? With the amount of scripture you have to ignore to say that fornication and homosexuality is hunky-dory, it makes me wonder why those people even bother with the Bible... And do liberal Christians have some apocryphal story where Jesus mugs a bunch of people and then gives their money to the poor? Because that would go a long way towards explaining liberal's confusions of taxation and charity.

re: #124 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Operation Desert Storm, which lasted from Jan. 16th - Feb. 25th, 1991 resulted in 148 KIA, or 3.7 deaths per day.
PIMF

They're taught in their post modernist journo and English lit classes that any good news is propaganda.

Ugh. Kwame, you're a lying sack.

re: #103 unreconstructed rebel

Any chance that Mikey is one of the demonrats superdelegates?
What with Kilpatrick and all, this is promising to be a very interesting democrat convention. Anybody here remember '68 and/or '72?

* * *
Remember Michael Moore sat in on the REPUBLICAN convention, and John McCain denounced Moore & his junkie movie?

The blatantly anti-war wire services are salivating and drooling over yet another “grim milestone” today (searching Google News for the phrase turns up 1,233 results), as military deaths in Iraq reached 4,000—and the most disgustingly ghoulish example is this Associated Press Flash movie, which begins with: “During the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, 2,973 people died.”

Two things:

(1) "Anti-War": I understand that this is this most commonly used term to describe those that are anti-Iraq War, etc., but I don't find it appropriate. I for one am very "Anti-War". If it were up to me, we would never fight a war, and war would be abolished. The difference between those that you, and others call "Anti-War" and myself, is that I understand that, unfortunately, this War was brought to us, and sometimes a nasty, disgusting, horrific war is the only option to ensure my own personal safety and security.

(2) Millions of people were killed in WW2 but only a couple thousand were murdered at Pearl Harbor.

re: #118 unreconstructed rebel

Yeah, they love it when God is dishing out the pain. It is the only kind of God they seem to like. A loving God takes focus away from the government being loving and kind I guess...

re: #119 jcm

No, but the thought of him swanning around in some kind of toga makes me nauseous.

Play me that crazy preacher again, will you, about how maybe God, in all his infinite wisdom, may not exactly be blessing America these days. Is anyone surprised?

Probably not a good idea to be standing next to moore when he starts invoking God's name.

re: #133 StinkHammer

A liberal church is a place where, if they call themselves Catholic, they'll find the most liberal preacher they can, they'll have a ton of religious leaders from other faiths to give invocations (a rabbi, an iman, a buddist priest etc) and then sprout the same left wing garbage you hear on HuffPo and the DNC. Basically they'll talk about 'living wages' and 'global warming' and 'welfare' and 'no one's illegal' - what you get from MSNBC but with the 'fear of God' in you.

re: #133 StinkHammer

Nice post. I agree with it. But on the other hand I sat by Harry Reid at church yesterday, and he thinks the opposite. Can't say I agree with him.

re: #36 Ben Hur

And Iraq is not a "war."

We are not fighting Iraq.

Too true. It's the Jihadi War, and we are overtly fighting it in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

re: #136 Honorary Yooper

Ugh. Kwame, you're a lying sack.

Department of Redundancy Department much? After all, lying is what got him into this mess in the first place - it's not the crime so much as the coverup, even as Schlussel thinks that there's a whole lot more involved, including the death of two strippers after a party attended by the Mayor and others.

re: #135 Ben Hur

They're taught in their post modernist journo and English lit classes that any good news is propaganda.

But that doesn't apply if it's good news for commie-sympathizing universal-healthcare-advocating anti-capitalist tree-hugging PETA types.

Then it's real news!

Anybody here knowledgable about YouTube uploads?

I'm having the exact same problem I have every single time with YouTube, and it's driving me crazy.

I have eight videos to upload. I purposely give them innocuous names and innocuous descriptions. Upload the first two -- worked fine. Upload the third one -- it uploads fine, then I get the standard "processing video" message -- and then after a minute:

Video upload FAILED.

Then, every subsequent video I attempt also meets the same fate.

I tried the trick of unplugging my internet connection, logging off YouTube, reconnecting, then relogging back in, and I'm able to successfullly upload one before getting the FAILEDs again.

And once a video gets the "FAILED" message, you can never upload it successfully again, no matter what you try.

Why does this happen every single time I try to upload YouTube videos?

I used to think it was because my descriptions or file names had "forbidden words" or red-flag words, but in this case I made sure ahead of time to make them all bland and innocuous.

Why does this happen and how can I avoid it?

re: #116 cwreenactorde

Thie "ignorance" is quite intentional, I can assure you. Their political agenda trumps facts and reason.

re: #144 lawhawk

Department
of Redundancy Department much? After all, lying is what got him into
this mess in the first place - it's not the crime so much as the
coverup, even as Schlussel thinks that there's a whole lot more
involved, including the death of two strippers after a party attended
by the Mayor and others.

Is this Godfather II?

Break's over. Back to laboring for my supper.

re: #146 zombie
File size/length issue?

re: #149 unreconstructed rebel

I'm in class, doing something more productive ;)

re: #121 JHW

That part you quoted perfectly illustrates the worthlessness of the media. Unofficial estimates? What`s newsworthy about that? Joe Blow at the bar makes "unofficial estimates". Ditto for the "mentally ruined" bit. What the hell does that mean? They`re trying to paint our newest veterans as victims and having a mental stability that shatters like glass.

You nailed it- vet's are "mentally ruined" in the leftist world view. They can't imagine anyone in their right mind wanting to defend America- so it must be mental "issues"- and once they come back from war- it's worse. They are permanently damaged from the terrible experience of having killed innocent women and children! Never mind that these "mentally ruined" people defend mr. moore's right to spew such garbage. I'd like to see him say such things as a Tibetan about the Chinese army- see what it gets him, although I'm sure my analogy is lost on him.

re: #150 ec marm

File size/length issue?

Nope. All small, and short.

re: #142 coquimbojoe

Nice post. I agree with it. But on the other hand I sat by Harry Reid at church yesterday, and he thinks the opposite. Can't say I agree with him.

Has he found Tommy yet?

re: #153 zombie

Nope. All small, and short.

Are you sure you're not talking about Kwame's, uh, morals?

re: #153 zombie

Nope. All small, and short.

resisiting Dirk Diggler joke

re: #118 unreconstructed rebel

Notice the left's fascination with a retributive God?

As long as it only applies to the USA or the right. Moore hasn't addressed the evils of Saddam's rape rooms or his tyrannic minority rule and vicious despotism.

I don't believe in a retributive god myself but since he's invoking it, why only apply it to America? The rest of the world has problems too right? Do they deserve it in Moore's eyes?

Its just nasty, manipulative and childish...

re: #153 zombie

There's been the claim that youtube's been deleting accounts and videos for Christian and Pro-Patriot videos even with them dragging their feet regarding removing jihadi videos. Idk, maybe your famous enough that they're blocking you. Or when your first two videos got posted you got enough 'warnings' about 'inappropriate material' they stopped you.

re: #141 Defector01

I'm not personally religious, but I'm acquainted with several politically lefty-types who profess a devout Christian belief system and seek Biblical authority to reinforce their collectivist/Statist left-wing leanings. These are the types who think Jim Wallis and his Sojourners ilk are really onto something, politics-wise. It baffles me.

re: #154 VegasRick

Has he found Tommy yet?

He did check under his chair.....

re: #146 zombie

I'm too lazy to read their TOS, but it's beginning to look like they are limiting to two the # of uploads per day, per user.

re: #26 sojerofgod

I just looked at the stuff you're selling. Did you intend to misspell Obama's first name?

re: #57 Ward Cleaver

Michael Moore is a tick, feeding off the blood of our brave troops.

...............more like a leech.

Micheal Moore is relevant how? More importantly to whom?

BabbaZee? Sometime this will come in handy to make a point:-)

re: #159 StinkHammer

Its the DNC with the fear of God - my rabbi definitely borders on liberal/green but he keeps his politics very much out of his sermons since he sees the two as areas that shouldn't be mixed. I think his one big 'political thing' was when he made comments during Yom Kippur about his shoes which were organic or free range or something.

And your not supposed to understand it because it goes against basically all your teachings (mine too) on what faith and religion should be. But it gives lefties who haven't totally gone the anti-God path the chance to feel 'spiritual' and 'in touch with God' by having their political views confirmed with the 'teachings of hte Lord'

re: #152 Sharmuta

I think they`re projecting their own ideas about how they`d
feel after serving in the Armed Forces. They seriously underestimate the resilience of our young people who volunteer to serve. They pulled this shit 40 years ago, finding phonies that claimed to be vets and making "documentaries" and phony 60 minutes shows about crazy vets living out in the woods or going on killing sprees. A little research, which they sem to be incapable of, shows that nearly all these problem "vets" they find are posers.

re: #141 Defector01

A liberal church is a place where, if they call themselves Catholic, they'll find the most liberal preacher they can, they'll have a ton of religious leaders from other faiths to give invocations (a rabbi, an iman, a buddist priest etc) and then sprout the same left wing garbage you hear on HuffPo and the DNC. Basically they'll talk about 'living wages' and 'global warming' and 'welfare' and 'no one's illegal' - what you get from MSNBC but with the 'fear of God' in you.

A bit of a nitpick. Catholics do not get to choose their pastors. They are appointed by the local bishop, who in turn is appointed by the Pope.

re: #168 Honorary Yooper

My apologies, that I didn't know. Thanks for the correction.

The liberal church I visited was Catholic and I just wondered how this guy got a job.

Play me that crazy preacher again, will you, about how maybe God, in all his infinite wisdom, may not exactly be blessing America these days. Is anyone surprised?

Wait, the preacher is crazy? I guess I missed that characterization from B.O.

re: #168 Honorary Yooper

Hey Yoop,

You mentioned earlier that Debbie Schussel wasn't the best source. I have had that feeling, but what do you know? I would like to, I guess confirm my gut feeling.....

re: #152 Sharmuta

Ah, but aren't these the same leftists and anti-American types who think that the folks that go into the Armed Services are mentally harmed for even considering such actions? After all, they wouldn't go on their own free will and are otherwise duped by the big bad BushitleralliburtonRove Co (a neocon Zionist subsidiary) to go murder civilians the world over.

So, it's no big leap to claim that these soldiers, who nearly always serve honorably and judiciously in their operations the world over and who are held to a higher standard than military forces elsewhere in the world, are now mentally harmed from their service.

It is also yet another rehashing of the Vietnam era lies and smears.

Whare: #167 JHW

I think they`re projecting their own ideas about how they`d
feel after serving in the Armed Forces. They seriously underestimate the resilience of our young people who volunteer to serve. They pulled this shit 40 years ago, finding phonies that claimed to be vets and making "documentaries" and phony 60 minutes shows about crazy vets living out in the woods or going on killing sprees. A little research, which they sem to be incapable of, shows that nearly all these problem "vets" they find are posers.

Stolen Valor.

"Stolen Valor is a wonderfully entertaining expose of the many charlatans who have distorted the real history of those who served in Vietnam. Prodigiously researched, and taking to task many serious lapses by the mainstream media. Burkett and Whitley have produced an important book of great journalistic integrity."

-- Gerald Posner, author "Case Closed" and "Killing the Dream."

Had to sit in a hospital waiting area today where CNN was playing. Special graphics for the occasion. Got up and walked outside.

When I took my Dad to the emergency room on Christmas Eve, Goodfellas was playing on A&E. Strange, but it helped.

Yesterday, on Easter Sunday eve, my elderly next door neighbor told me that it was the 63rd anniversary of a very significant day in his life. 63 years ago he was a US Marine landing for the first time on Okinawa. He told me and my wife and daughter about the coral reef they waded across at low tide, about the climb up a steep embankment the next day, and how from the top of that, how he was able to see the Pacific Ocean and the South China Sea, both sides of the island, and the thousands of troop carriers and support ships working to get supplies ashore.

We lost about 5000 troops in one battle at Okinawa. My neighbor lost more than a few friends, he says.

Michael Moore is an idiot and an embarassment.

I happen to believe that 4K American armed forces dying in another overseas war is about 4K too many.

I fail to see the good option, however. We aren't going to pull out our troopers and then turn the country into a sea of glass; that isn't how we roll. We're better than that.

Arguing that we shouldn't be there in the first place is of no consequence. We are, after all, there.

Fighting a war without even trying to win it is a sure route to another war. You don't deter enemies by demonstrating your sensitivity to their feelings. You win a war by killing those enemies that you can corner, and harrying and harassing the rest so that they are so busy looking over their shoulders to cause further harm. As another warrior said of another war, "Ye put the skeer into 'em, and keep the skeer in 'em.

So instead of the MSM/Democrat/Liberal/Progressive unseemly salivating at the prospect of another dead American, I shall simply bow my head and fervently hope that a small prayer from a barely believer might speed that brave soul to some kind of eternal rest.

I wish him Godspeed.

re: #173 jcm

Yes, have the book and heartily recommend it. He documented Dan Blather`s phony 60 Minutes story about phony vets living out in the woods. Turns out not a one had served in the Armed Forces.

re: #162 JustMyView

I did?

Oh my. I saw it spelled that way on the news some many weeks ago now. I guess I Fixee it now, Chop chop!

re: #132 infidelia

ROFLMAO

AS AM I...............................................

re: #161 abolitionist

I'm too lazy to read their TOS, but it's beginning to look like they are limiting to two the # of uploads per day, per user.

No, I've successfully uploaded four so far. Four successes, four fails.

re: #96 Sharmuta

If we include you, mr. moore, it's 100,001.

100,002.

fixed that

4,000 dead. Unofficial [i.e. made up - ed] estimates are that there may be up to 100,000 wounded, injured, or mentally ruined by this war. And there could be up to a million Iraqi dead. We will pay the consequences of this for a long, long time. God will keep blessing America.

Oh come on! I thought it ws 2 million. Our guys are up to at least a 1,000 kills a day by now, aren't they?

/

Michael Moore, arrogant, hypocritical POS

re: #152 Sharmuta

When liberals ask me why I joined the Army, they always have a certain look on their face as if they already know the answer I am about to give them. They want to hear that I was poor and didn't have a choice. When I tell them it was a combination of factors (serve my country with pride, learn self- discipline, travel the world, earn money for college), they always try to get me to go back to their singular line of reasoning. They just can't believe that I was able to exert an influence on my own life and that I do not consider myself an unfortunate product of an unfair system.

re: #176 razorbacker

In the words of the infamous Gen. Forrest, CSA,

"War means fightin, fightin means killin"

Gen. Robert E. Lee after Fredericksburg: "It is good that war be so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."

re: #180 zombie

No, I've successfully uploaded four so far. Four successes, four fails.

All unnecessary background applications closed?

re: #171 coquimbojoe

Hey Yoop,

You mentioned earlier that Debbie Schussel wasn't the best source. I have had that feeling, but what do you know? I would like to, I guess confirm my gut feeling.....

I find she tends to stretch too much to make connections. She seems to infer thing that aren't there and looks more for a conspiracy, IMHO, than she should. In doing so, she has a track record similar to the DEBKA File in being right. If she'd cool it and not try to infer what isn't really there, she'd have a much better website. That, and she needs to learn not to use so much bold and keep the finger off the caps lock key.

re: #183 gman

Liberals don't know what to do with facts and stories that don't fit their set up views on the world. There are quite a few people I knew who joined the Army/Marines/etc because they were poor and wanted to jump ahead and they're the ones who absolutely beat the crap out of those liberals because the libs can't see that the military was so crucial to them jumping ahead and without it they'd be in bad shape. Its easy to look down your nose on that when you have 'other options' and hte military really isn't a consideration

re: #184 cwreenactorde

In the words of the infamous Gen. Forrest, CSA,

"War means fightin, fightin means killin"

Gen. Robert E. Lee after Fredericksburg: "It is good that war be so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."

War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.
William Tecumseh Sherman

I fixt it now.

I had to pull one bumper sticker for a do-over but the tags on the rest are corrected. Barack is now not proud to be an american.
Heh, slipped in a lil ol plug there....

There is NOTHING good that can be said about that fat, stinking pile of shit Moore. I won't even waste a joke on that load.

*spit*

re: #169 Defector01

My apologies, that I didn't know. Thanks for the correction.

The liberal church I visited was Catholic and I just wondered how this guy got a job.

He most likely got through seminary and was ordained. Once ordained a priest, he cannot be removed from the priesthood except by the Pope. Quite frankly, the Pope has a lot more to do than remove a liberal priest. As it is, the Vatican has been fighting liberation theology for a number of decades with varying degrees of success.

When you men get home and face an anti-war protestor, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend because she knows she’s dating a pussy... ~ Attributed to General Tommy Franks

re: #36 Ben Hur

And Iraq is not a "war."

We are not fighting Iraq.

I keep saying, this is a peace keeping mission. I heard that phrase plenty in the '90s, I think we need to hear it more often now.

If we keep saying that we and our allies are engaged in peace keeping efforts, will the media catch on? I know, I know...

I think it's still worth repeating, though, just to watch lefty heads explode.

re: #192 mikeinmd

OOOOOHHHHHHHHHH! SUH-WEEEEET!

re: #188 jcm
I thought Forrest said "I wun Cuz I got theer fustest wit de mostest"

Or was that "Life is like a box of chok-lits..."

re: #143 RickZ

re: #36 Ben Hur
And Iraq is not a "war."
We are not fighting Iraq.

Too true. It's the Jihadi War, and we are overtly fighting it in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

That needs constant repeating. The Left is setting the terms of debate by misleadingly calling a BATTLEFIELD OF A GREATER WAR, the war itself.
We didn't call it the German War when Allied troops fought in Europe or the "Italian War" or the Japanese War when at the same moment, Allied troops were fighting the Japanese in Philippines. They were correctly, the "European Theatre" and the "Pacific Theatre" of the SAME war.

It'd be nice to display the same level of discipline and consistency as found amongst the media and Left, to firmly adhere to a standard nomenclature to accurately describe a situation that the Left rigourously describes in standardized false terms.

re: #191 Honorary Yooper

what's liberation theology?

re: #186 Honorary Yooper

Thanks, you put the finger on why she doesn't pass the smell test completely for me. She kinda feels like conservative pr0n to me.

re: #188 jcm

Here`s another good book that documents the gross failings of the media in wartime. That time , their distortions, lies and outright laziness resulted in the deaths of millions.

Tet by Don Oberdorfer

re: #195 sojerofgod

I thought Forrest said "I wun Cuz I got theer fustest wit de mostest"

Or was that "Life is like a box of chok-lits..."

LOL,

This Forrest...
"Get 'em skeered and keep the skeer on 'em"
Nathan Bedford Forrest

re: #180 zombie

One other thought: Perhaps their buffering/holding storage for incoming files is somehow limited, whether by intent or by flawed design. I wonder if your successful four uploads were somewhat more spread out over time than some others?

re: #185 ec marm

All unnecessary background applications closed?

? ? ?

No.

What unnecessary background applications?

Maybe I didn't communicate what the problem is clearly enough.

The videos are getting uploaded to YouTube successfully. It's once they're in YouTube's system, and they're processing them, converting them from QuickTime to Flash or whatever, that they get "rejected" by YouTube, for some mysterious reason.

The videos are all a minute or less, under 10mb, all perfectly functional, an acceptable format, have innocuous names and descriptions. Some get put online with no problem, others get a "FAILED" rejection.

Why?

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

Well as been seen now people on the far left are questioning whether or not we should have invaded North Africa/etc to end WWII. Same goes with the pacific theatre - so don't worry that'll start becoming a very real discussion on left blogs probably within a year or two

re: #202 abolitionist

One other thought: Perhaps their buffering/holding storage for incoming files is somehow limited, whether by intent or by flawed design. I wonder if your successful four uploads were somewhat more spread out over time than some others?

Nope. All right on top of each other.

Oughtn't be a storage problem -- these are fairly small files.

re: #153 zombie

Have you cleared your browser's cache and tried again? Try clearing the cache, closing ALL browser sessions, then try again.

JAFLW

re: #197 Defector01

what's liberation theology?

Wiki has a decent breakdown of liberation theology. It's a form of Christian socialism practised primarily in Latin America. The current Pope (and his predecessor) are opponents of it.

DRAT! ! ! ! !

Just got another "FAILED" after doing the unplug trick.

Now I'm screwed. I can't proceed without these videos!

It is unbelievable that so many different articles share this exact two-word phrase. Could they be any less original, any less mindless?

By the way, where are the 1000+ articles announcing the "grim milestone" that over 50,000 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens since 9/11/2001?

I found one article on the above "grim" factoid: [Link: www.borderfirereport.net...]this one

Pardon the error: any less original, any more mindless

The blatantly anti-war wire services

Not "anti-war" just on the other side and anti-American to boot.

re: #74 gman

Has Michael Moore ever once said anything positive about our soldiers' contributions in Iraq?

Has Michael Moore ever distinguished between the advantages and disadvantages of the War in Iraq?

I have a strange feeling, though, that he could clearly enunciate the advantages of getting the Double Whopper w/ Cheese versus the Bacon Double Cheeseburger at Burger King.

I'm gonna guess no a snowballs chance in Algore's global warming world.

moore hits a grim milestone every time he steps onto a bathroom scale.

Dishonor is worse than death in battle.

Michael Moore has a lot of it.

I will mourn them each, I will forget none of them, and I will forever honor them.

re: #209 buzzsawmonkey

Don't question t he facts and the results of Leftist thoughts - its just that they care adn want the people not to die that is important

you know that :-p

"The Minstrel Boy"
Thomas Moore

The minstrel boy to the war is gone,
In the ranks of death you'll find him;
His father's sword he hath girded on,
And his wild harp slung behind him;
"Land of Song!" cried the warrior bard,
"Tho' all the world betrays thee,
One sword, at least, thy right shall guard,
One faithful harp shall praise thee!"

The Minstrel fell! But the foeman's chain
Could not bring that proud soul under;
The harp he lov'd ne'er spoke again,
For he tore its chords asunder;
And said "No chains shall sully thee,
Thou soul of love and brav'ry!
Thy songs were made for the pure and free
They shall never sound in slavery!

The minstrel boy will return one day,
When we hear the news, we will cheer it.
The minstrel boy will return we pray,
Torn in body, perhaps, but not in spirit.
Then may he play his harp in peace,
In a world such as Heaven intended,
For every quarrel of Man must cease,
And every battle shall be ended.

Michael Moore is getting back into the game

Your Delta nickname is.... Flounder.

re: #200 jcm

LOL,

This Forrest...
"Get 'em skeered and keep the skeer on 'em"
Nathan Bedford Forrest

Did he say that as a Confederate General or as the founding Grand Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan?

:^þ

The death count is a grim milestone but I am also concerned with the number of soldiers who now survive serious battlefield injuries because of rapid medical care delivery. What facilities will be available for them for reconstructive work, prosthetics and rehab when they get stateside? Who is monitoring the VA and halfway houses? What candidate has mentioned anything about retraining young men to re- enter the workforce as handicapped veterans? Maybe the MSM should focus on something they can change for the better instead of for the worse. Why don't they focus on Soldiers Angels and the assistance they have provided soldiers and their families? Not fit the agenda I guess.

well, it sure is a good thing no one cares what michael moore says.

re: #28 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Great post.

Thank you.

.

re: #138 WrathofG-d

Re your objection of the use of "anti-war" to describe opponents of the Iraq War:
Agreed. The implication that those of us who want to win in Iraq are in favor of war is bogus.
Even more absurd is that a lot of the "anti-war" folks (and about 99% of their extremists) get all fuzzy over the Palestinians, who really are pro-war. It's Israel that wants, truly & deeply wants peace.

Mik al Moor says that up to 100,000 may be mentally ruined by the war. I must agree.

And most of them post on Kos.

My father, a Vietnam vet, was eating lunch in a diner in Chicago about a month ago. He overheard 3 waitresses discussing the upcoming primaries. One stated she was going to vote for Obama because he is good-looking, one stated she doesn't care about politics and she never votes. The other stated she was going to vote for Hillary because her 9 year old son said his school teacher wants the parents to vote for her.

My father put down his fork and pushed his plate away. One of the waitresses noticed this and asked him if the food was OK. He then stated (in a way only a US Marine can) "The food is just fine, its the conversation that is making me sick. You girls need to take a trip to Washington DC and visit Arlington cemetery. Walk out to the middle and take a good look around and realize that the dead soldiers you are standing on died to give you the right to vote and you are going to vote for Hillary because your 9 year old tells you too? and you are voting for Obama because of the way he looks? You girls need to wake the f**k up." He left and never went back to that diner.

I love my dad and never understood the sacrifice he made in serving his country. He was told not to wear his uniform on the return trip from Vietnam because he could get shot. His own mother asked him if he killed babies. No one would hire him. He had a young family to take care of and some of the people in this country turned their back on him, including members of his family. That makes me sick and every time I think about it it makes me cry. I thank my dad every time I see him for serving his country and making a better world.

To all of the soldiers living and dead, I thank you from the bottom of my heart and I will stand up for you and your mission until I take my last breath.

Yes, it is a blessing. We liberated 23 million people and only lost 4,000 soldiers.

During our revolution it took that many soldiers to liberate 4 million. And don't get me started about the Civil War or WWII.

Any person with any degree of historical perspective calls that a bargain.

Sheesh.

I think Mikhail Moore is discriminating against those that were mentally ruined before the war began. WTF is "mentally ruined" anyway? Is that another euphemism for shell shocked?

Citing facts and figures such as this is very anti-American.

Easter? Mikey is tying this opportunity to try and make himself relevant again with to Easter?

I would be horribly surprised if he celebrates Easter as anything more than a chance for him to reach his own grim milestones - 4,000 Peeps consumed, 100,000 chocolate bunnies with their heads bitten off, 1,000,000 jelly bellies.

The horror, the horror.

re: #230 justiceforall

Citing facts and figures such as this is very anti-American.

What's your point, exactly?

It takes CAC 24 hours, most of the time, to notify a military members family of a death. Now, I understand the need for a headline, but if they would wait just 24 hours they could have the members name, his unit, home town, etc.
Of course that might be seen as honoring our military or a tribute to their sacrifice. Can't have that now, can we.
Did I mention I hate MSM.

I guess we should not have entered WWII since we lost more soldiers than were killed by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor.

/extending moonbat logic

Who is to blame for the 4000 dead in the Iraq theater? It's the Jihadis stupid.

What I want to know is how we are going to extricate ourselves from the quagmire on our US highways!

38,588 dead in 2006 alone!

That's 9.647 Iraq's every year!

No blood for GM!

/sarcasm
/!

Don't these doofs know that the number game is an apriori argument? Nations don't go to war with the hope that no one on the good guy's side will die. It only works when you are already against war in the first place; to those that believe the war must be fought, any number of casualties could be "acceptable".

Idiots.

Ok, Porky Pig -

You can take your bottle of Lubriderm into your little room and go enjoy your new, much anticipated grim milestone now.

dirtbag.

Just a minor thing Mr. Michael Moore forgot to mention...

Without the surge the 4000th soldier would have been murdered sometime around:

Thankgiving 2007...

Moore is a Turd.

bin Laden is the Grand Turd.

Hamas, Hezbollah, and the rest are circling the bowl

Bye, bye...

re: #227 bellamags

Please thank your father for his service, from me.

The Vietnam War, as bad as it was, did less damage to the world than the orchestrated leftist response, which the children and grandchildren of the jerks who promulgated it have learned to parrot.

re: #230 justiceforall

A quick peek at your history of comments makes it clear that you're an idiot with a persecution complex.

If half of your inane conspiracy theories were true, you'd be in jail or dead, instead you will likely live a long life blathering foolishly, in a world made inestimably safer by the sacrifices of those whose choices you trivialize with your "talking points" approach to the discussion.

Criticism does not equal censorship. You are (generally) legally protected from the latter, again in no small part due to the sacrifices of others, and you richly deserve the former.

WHEN THIS CRUEL WAR IS OVER by Charles Carroll Sawyer

Dearest Love, do you remember, when we last did meet,
How you told me that you loved me, kneeling at my feet?
Oh! How proud you stood before me, in your suit of blue,
When you vow'd to me and country, ever to be true.

CHORUS: Weeping, sad and lonely, hopes and fears how vain!
When this cruel war is over, praying that we meet again.

When the summer breeze is sighing, mournfully along,
Or when autumn leaves are falling, sadly breathes the song.
Oft in dreams I see thee lying on the battle plain,
Lonely, wounded, even dying, calling but in vain.--CHORUS

If amid the din of battle, nobly you should fall,
Far away from those who love you, none to hear you call --
Who would whisper words of comfort, who would soothe your pain?
Ah! The many cruel fancies, ever in my brain.--CHORUS

But our Country called you, Darling, angels cheer your way;
While our nation's sons are fighting, we can only pray.
Nobly strike for God and Liberty, let all nations see
How we loved the starry banner, emblem of the free.--CHORUS

#14 Occasional Reader

Speaking of Empty Suit.

There was a column by Leonard Pitts about Empty Suit's speech: Obama Showed How to Talk About Race

Some newspapers publish Pitt's column in the entertainment section of the paper. I can't figure out why, since I think they should probably be in the editorial section. Anyway.

I think Mr. Pitts should read the editorial by Mr. Krauthammer, The [Obama] Speech: A Brilliant Fraud

Amazing. In four years of massed to-the-death combat against America, the Empire of Japan suffered 538,000 dead. In four years of an insurgency against the US, with virtually no massed combat and no bombing campaigns other than that which occurred in the first month, characterized by politically-correct tactics on the part of America that include limiting collateral damage to a bare minimum, the left asserts that over a million Iraqis have died. This is one of those lies that is brutally brilliant in its sheer stupidity. It is so far from any possible reality that it can barely be attacked. And its target audience is presumed to be so abysmally stupid or else so rabidly insane that they will not question its premise or entertain any refutation. Way to know your audience, Mike.

re: #227 bellamags

Thank your dad for me, please. Vets like him have my undying respect and endless gratitude. I would gladly buy him a lunch in a much better place than that diner full of ditzes.

Now, a little modified blonde joke humor for those 'gals'.
Q. What do you call those three waitresses standing around talking?
A. Dope ring.

Q. What do you call those three waitresses standing shoulder to shoulder?
A. Wind tunnel.

the ghastly slob, michael moore, in his note, shows he has no concern for the 4000 precious lives lost. he sees the death of these soldiers as an opportunity for himself. he now rises from the excrement in which he resides, to once again spout his anti-american hate. god in his infinite wisdom will not be blessing you, assh*le.

re: #234 ProUSA

I guess we should not have entered WWII since we lost more soldiers than were killed by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor.

/extending moonbat logic

Actually, that is more or less what the isolationist RIGHT then argued (as well as the Communist Party in the period of the "Nonaggression Pact"). It's so interesting what a bunch of regressive retreads today's misnamed "Progressives" are...

Does anyone remember the speech right after 9/11 when President Bush said it would be a long conflict with the people who attack us? He asked for cooperation and patience. That didn't last too long. Looking back at the fantastic job the military has done and continues to do, the obstacles the MSM and the rest of the left put in the way has prolonged our efforts. History books (if not written by moonbats) will wonder why we put up with such dangerous fools.

re: #246 Former Belgian

You are correct regarding both the history of isolationism and the current "progressives."

re: #199 JHW

Wm T. Sherman claimed that he was tempted to wipe out all the journalists traipsing along scribbling and judging and gettin' it worng...but thought better of it, even if he wiped them out: "I'd wake up the next morning to 'News from Hell'"

heh. Wm T. Sherman. gotta love 'im

17 And lo, God so loved the world that he gave up his only Son, 18 so that they who lived in the shadow of the free market might have taxpayer funded healthcare, 19 and bourgeois simpletons might watch Michael Moore films and have eternal life.

re: #27 redshirt

I wish the media would put this in some perspective and let us see the other side of the tally sheet. I have no idea how many terrorists we have killed. 20,000 50,000, 100,000?
Why isn't this information released anywhere?

Unfourtanately, in the eyes of the blockheaded MSM, a dead terrorist is a murdered innocent civilian.