A new thread! A new age of hope and peace and spiritual growth, et cetera...

He is the man

General Petraeus is a warrior and a credit to our country.

May God bless and keep General Petraeus. We desperately need this hero.

Someone gag hillary please.

Shillary -- "no clear way forward"

You dumb ass. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention of late.

Has Obama said anything yet? Or will he just remain "Present?"

Hillary has lost the shrill, at least. Betcha Obama won't be making an appearance.

The New Yorker ran a piece the other day that illustrates perfectly the role of cognitive dissonance in the progressive narrative of Petraeus in particular. Its amusing to watch them try-- and fail-- to align the competing ideas of "Iraq as failure" and "Patraeus as a successful commander". The result is a piece that half hates, half loves him, and all in all makes no sense.

Thank you Charles for giving the folks fighting the War On Terror some airtime.

No clear way forward. I think that Clinton's referring to her campaign there. They've got themselves a stalemate and quagmire in the trenches of the DNC.

Seriously, all these hearings do is show just how out of touch the politicians are and showcase those members of Congress who can't mug enough in front of the cameras for personal vanity.

Hillary is no exception.

There's a difference between pontificating and asking questions, but none of the Senators actually know the difference.

Open wide Hill ... here comes the combat boot.

Hillary's calling Petraeus a liar....?

I don't always agree with Lindsey Graham, but he was good today.

I'm curious to know if this hearing will resurrect the anti-war line in the election campaigns.

CNN headlines that Petraeus said that we're making "fragile" progress. Yes, if you cut the troops and cut and run, that progress will go by the boards. Undermine the US efforts, and you'll lead to reverses in the gains.

Setting absolute deadlines will do the same.

"In the Washington Post interview, I ticked off a number of areas where there had been progress...." (Gen Petraeus)

He sure ticked off a number of dems with his proof of progress, that's for sure.

Hillary looks awful tired - she could pack at least five pants suits in those bags under her eyes.

re: #15 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Hillary's calling Petraeus a liar....?

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Hillary's going to lose some of her military supporters--whoever's left from when Hillary ran the White House's office of Military Liaison or whatever it was called.

re: #9 buzzsawmonkey
You asked me the other day about the countries that use the crescent in their flags. I finally got around to it:
Here's the picture again.
First row: Algeria, Azerbaijani Republic, Malaysia, Maldives
Middle row: Republic of Singapore,Tunisia, Turkey,Turkmenistan
Bottom row: Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Comoros, Islamic Republic of Mauritania, Uzbekistan

By the way, if you post "ban the Koran" in all capital letters, bolded, you achieve nothing except to make me and everyone here look like nuts.

I just can't watch HRC.

re: #10 EC Marm

Hillary has lost the shrill, at least. Betcha Obama won't be making an appearance.

The talking heads spouted all morning that all three of the presidential candidates would be at this hearing. If Obama isn't there there can be only one interpretation - trying to avoid making an utter fool of himself.

I haven't been listening to the hearings, mostly cause the TV's in the other room but mom has said that she almost fell asleep when Levin was speechifying - said that he said absolutley nothing new at all.
Wonder how Hillary's faring? Is she really calling Petraeus a liar? Does she give any factual basis for this?

re: #24 MandyManners

I agree. Everytime I see her face I hear that insane cackle and it freaks me out.

Hillary's voice is shot.

re: #25 galloping granny

The talking heads spouted all morning that all three of the presidential candidates would be at this hearing. If Obama isn't there there can be only one interpretation - trying to avoid making an utter fool of himself.

Then I hope he appears. Although no matter how biased, ignorant, and uninformed he may appear, his 'base' will give him a pass.

Barack Obama is coming up later.

re: #27 Cpt. Disco,

I keep waiting for her to have a Howard Dean moment, and go into full shrieking moonbat mode.

That would be funny :-)

Re # 7

Saying that something should be banned is an instance of the advocacy of violence and thus crosses the line of acceptable conduct here.

What I would do is to raise the question: If the literal interpretation of Islamic doctrine denies the validity of all "man made law" including the U.S. Constitution, then how can Islam claim to be a religion that is protected under the First Amendment?

re: #25 galloping granny

The talking heads spouted all morning that all three of the presidential candidates would be at this hearing. If Obama isn't there there can be only one interpretation - trying to avoid making an utter fool of himself.

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Obama would go last of the three, as he is on Senate's Foreign Affairs subcommittee, but McCain & Clinton are on Senate's Armed Services Committee.

Clinton slammed Obama but good this morning on Fox & Friends for Obama's not holding a single committee hearing as Obama was supposed to on his subcommittee, concerning boosting NATO-European forces in Afghanistan (the "good" 'Bush' war)

re: #32 The Other Les

Re # 7

Saying that something should be banned is an instance of the advocacy of violence and thus crosses the line of acceptable conduct here.

What I would do is to raise the question: If the literal interpretation of Islamic doctrine denies the validity of all "man made law" including the U.S. Constitution, then how can Islam claim to be a religion that is protected under the First Amendment?

Point!

Well Hillary, that was pretty lame. Much like your campaign of late.

anyone listening to the hearings online? and where?

I thought that Hillary's questioning was suprisingly mild. I think she's trying to establish more moderate ground as a counterpoint to Obama.

I don't think it will make any difference, whoever wins that race.

re: #33 buzzsawmonkey

Funny--I find I have things "coming up" whenever I think about him these days.

Just keep a bag at hand, or stand near a basin.

re: #37 bosforus

anyone listening to the hearings online? and where?

C-SPAN generally carries them.

re: #28 Charles

A pity she didn't lose it completely.

re: #37 bosforus

anyone listening to the hearings online? and where?

School hours here and the TV is in the school room, so I am depending on all ya'll to keep me informed. The kiddo is reading El Cid so I don't want to disturb here. (Becoming one very hard to find book. . . . . . I wonder why?)

I think that questioning the veracity of Gen Petraeus in the past reflected
poorly on Hillary and that's the reason she's rather subdued today.

Just turned Fox on. Is this a planned break or did I miss it? A Neb. Senator is being interviewed and now commercials.

re: #30 Charles

Barack Obama is coming up later.

Super. Perhaps he will want to have Petraeus check his math to confirm exactly how many flights out of Baghdad it will take to airlift all the troops home.

re: #37 bosforus

fox news has it

re: #28 Charles

Hillary's voice is shot.

The cackle has croaked?

I tried to watch it.

couldn't make it past the first 5 minutes of Carl Levin

re: #43 galloping granny

School hours here and the TV is in the school room, so I am depending on all ya'll to keep me informed. The kiddo is reading El Cid so I don't want to disturb here. (Becoming one very hard to find book. . . . . . I wonder why?)

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Get the Charlton Heston [movie] version with Sophia Loren!

Or read it in Spanish. El Mio Cid.

re: #32 The Other Les Uh, not looking for a fight here, but if I said we should ban all Child Pornography, I don't think that would amount to "an instance of the advocacy of violence".
As to the second part of your post, I agree that as long as Islam denies the right - indeed the need for SECULAR law to govern citizens' everyday conduct, than that would be unconsititutional. I do however think that Islam - as a religion - is protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution.

re: #28 Charles

Hillary's chances at the nomination are similarly shot. Besides, her voice has two settings - shrill and loud.

re: #50 alegrias

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Get the Charlton Heston [movie] version with Sophia Loren!

Or read it in Spanish. El Mio Cid.

Un hombre que fresaba sesenta...

re: #22 EC Marm

The Malaysian flag reminds me of the Islamerica flag from "Prayers for the Assassin"...

re: #40 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks! ...I've never even heard of Comoros.

Now you made me look; a capital city of "Moroni" and 98% sunni muslim, 2% Roman Catholic population.
[Link: www.cia.gov...]

re: #50 alegrias

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Get the Charlton Heston [movie] version with Sophia Loren!

Or read it in Spanish. El Mio Cid.

She is only 11 - does not read Spanish yet. I hunted heaven & earth for the Oxford translation. Heston did a movie version? (who knew!) I'll have to hunt that up.

re: #34 alegrias Do you know if that's true - that Obama hasn't had a single meeting of his subcommittee on Foreign Affairs concerning boosting NATO-European forces in Afghanistan? IIRC, Sen. McCain said something very similar recently and I don't recall whether or not Sen. Obama responded to it or not.
For that matter, given all his campaigning, I wonder what his attendance record in the Senate is this year? And, to be fair, I'd have to ask that about Sen. McCain and Sen. Clinton.

Because of Iran...we may end up with an Iraq that is not our friend

Yes.

re: #51 realwest

Uh, not looking for a fight here, but if I said we should ban all Child Pornography, I don't think that would amount to "an instance of the advocacy of violence".
As to the second part of your post, I agree that as long as Islam denies the right - indeed the need for SECULAR law to govern citizens' everyday conduct, than that would be unconsititutional. I do however think that Islam - as a religion - is protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution.

I'm not looking for a fight either.

All Hail General Petraeus.

What a saint to put up politely with these phonies & pretenders to the Commander in Chief job--who truly want him & our troops to fail, and our country to retreat to its rocker like we did during Carter's cowardly bow to islamoterrorists from Tehran.

Petraeus is dealing with Tehran's attacks on our troops because of Carter. It is a straight line from Carter's cowardice towards Iran to direct attacks on our country by Iran.

Yes, but how do you go about banning *part* of a religion?

Consider the case of the Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) and their ongoing polygamy problems. Did the U.S. need ban the LDS entirely? No, just enforce the "one man one woman" definiton of marriage. We still get some "literal interpretation" types (google "polygamy texas" to see recent cases) but overall it's been a peaceful change.

There are peaceful, willing to play within the rules sects in Islam. They aren't "mainstream" in Saudi Arabia or most of the Arab world, but they do exist. Banning Islam altogether as "unprotected" is the wrong approach, and most of the more violent reactions from Muslims are already covered by existing laws.

Mew

re: #32 The Other Les

Re # 7

Saying that something should be banned is an instance of the advocacy of violence and thus crosses the line of acceptable conduct here.

What I would do is to raise the question: If the literal interpretation of Islamic doctrine denies the validity of all "man made law" including the U.S. Constitution, then how can Islam claim to be a religion that is protected under the First Amendment?

MSNBC is still carrying the hearing live. Fox cut away to make some money.

CSPAN has it also.

'I Know the Jews Inside Out'

Alan Colmes talks to Yousef al-Khattab:

re: #57 realwest

Do you know if that's true - that Obama hasn't had a single meeting of his subcommittee on Foreign Affairs concerning boosting NATO-European forces in Afghanistan? IIRC, Sen. McCain said something very similar recently and I don't recall whether or not Sen. Obama responded to it or not.
For that matter, given all his campaigning, I wonder what his attendance record in the Senate is this year? And, to be fair, I'd have to ask that about Sen. McCain and Sen. Clinton.

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Please note with a grain of salt, it is CLINTON's WORDS I'm quoting here from the Fox News website:

"....Clinton, speaking with FOX News Tuesday morning, said she was baffled by the claim.

“I’m somewhat shocked by that since I don’t see any evidence of it,” Clinton said, chuckling. “This is, you know, kind of hard to square with his failure ever to have a single policy hearing on the only responsibility he was given, chairing the European and NATO subcommittee on the Foreign Relations Committee.

“And as he admitted in the last debate, he was too busy running for president to pay attention to what we needed to do to improve our chances in Afghanistan and get NATO more involved. So, you know, I, I ,I don’t, I don’t know, I’m speechless. I mean, you know, making an assertion like that belies the facts and the record.”

Obama is scheduled on Tuesday to chair the subcommittee’s hearing on the nomination of Kurt Volker to be the permanent U.S. representative to NATO. All three presidential candidates are in town for Senate hearings with Gen. David Petraeus and Amb. Ryan Crocker, the top U.S. military and diplomatic leaders in Iraq.

[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]

re: #61 MijaCat
The problem with your logic is that banning polygamy will not destroy the Mormon religion. Ban murder and cruelty from the Islamic religion and suddenly its unrecognizable.

CSPAN's better, you don't have to put up with MSNBC's puerile commentators.

Thanks! Nothing was on Fox or CNN.

Hillary - pwned!

“You want to know who wants you to come home more than anybody?” Graham continued. “al Qaeda because you’re kicking their ass.”

[Link: www.politico.com...]

re: #61 MijaCat Much better said than did I in my #51, but iirc, Mormons outlawed polygamy something like 100 years or so ago (we have at least two Mormon lizards and I learned a lot from them late last night, early this morning) and that's what they indicated.

"Major suspension of disbelief" - Perfect!

Link to live web feed:

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

re: #71 realwest

Much better said than did I in my #51, but iirc, Mormons outlawed polygamy something like 100 years or so ago (we have at least two Mormon lizards and I learned a lot from them late last night, early this morning) and that's what they indicated.

The Mormons outlawed polygamy as a precondition for statehood for Utah.

re: #74 buzzsawmonkey

She said it again?

No! It was said "to her"!

re: #73 taxfreekiller

And the other 10%?

I'm watching and listening here on FOX Live Stream. It's uninterrupted and runs fine in the background.

FOX Stream

re: #30 Charles

Barack Obama is coming up later.

I'll be very interested to hear how he does without a prepared script, trying to sound like an informed adult. I don't think he'll do very well unless he's allowed to spread some of his Hope Change Pixie Dust^TM.

re: #74 buzzsawmonkey

No! It was said "to her"!

As in, it would take a major suspension of disbelief not to recognize the significant improvements made by the surge!

re: #64 Ben Hur

Pure honesty.

As it were.

/"His views aren't representative of the Muslim community as a whole!"

So, Petraeus is resisting calls for timetables.

How exactly is this situation any different than the last time that Petraeus testified? The Democrats want timetables, despite knowing, or having reason to know, that timetables will make the situation less secure and provide a deadline for which terrorists simply have to outlast the US in order to claim victory. It would be a victory for the terrorists only in their survival - a media inspired victory that has nothing to do with the facts on the ground.

re: #74 buzzsawmonkey

It was directed back at Hillary over the undeniable progress in Iraq. Hilarious.

re: #65 alegrias Ah, thanks for that clarification! As I said, I heard Senator McCain making essentially the same point.
In any "ordinary" presidential election that would be a BIG shot at a potential* candidate, but I doubt if it will sway many Obama supporters because I don't think many Obama supporters really THINK about Senator "Rock Star" Obama's positions, if he has any, on anything.

*I'm still not convinced that Hillary is out of the game here - if she should win Pennsylvania, they she'd have a legitimate argument with the DNC that Obama hasn't been able to carry ANY large states in a primary and hence wouldn't in a general election. You know, the old "electability" question.

They have to have these hearing to justify their jobs. If they were not having hearings today, then what would these politicians be doing? You can only abuse your interns and staff for so long before they start to cplin. Then you have to do something else. They have a few weeks before their next junket to Belize . . . might as well grill the general and get in some good press-face time.

re: #23 Charles

By the way, if you post "ban the Koran" in all capital letters, bolded, you achieve nothing except to make me and everyone here look like nuts.

The Koran should not be banned, rather everyone should be required to read it... read it though... not rote memorize it like in islamic schools... and read with full historic and cultural footnotes... education is the best way to ensure that islam is rejected by the west and walked away from by the rest of the world.

re: #86 savage_nation

He's tentatively scheduled to head-up Nato.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he resigns.

I couldn't help it, but:
Look at the pen in his right hand. Are there any vets that can id that pen? It looks like one of those "Lighthouse for the Blind" contract pens the military uses (the C-1101T Retractable Ballpoint Pen.)! Those pens kick ass! !

Heh. Dog vs. Cat, eh?

The problem is not with my logic, Dog. Not all Muslims are violent thugs.

The problem is with the re-interpretation of Islam that the Saudis (indeed, most of the Arabs) have been using to maintain their hold on power - and exporting, fueled by the insane number of petrodollars flowing into Arab hands.

Either stop the flow (which worked so well with Iraq, eh?) or change the culture.

Mew

re: #66 maddogg

The problem with your logic is that banning polygamy will not destroy the Mormon religion. Ban murder and cruelty from the Islamic religion and suddenly its unrecognizable.

It's a bunch of politicians playing the same politics that make the job longer and harder...

Try to look good for their own base and the troops who suffer because of the image they send to the enemy be damned...

re: #49 Shug

I tried to watch it.

couldn't make it past the first 5 minutes of Carl Levin

I can't take the partisan denigration of man so far above them in intellect and honor either. It's like the a big DNC campaign event, not Socratic elucidation of fact in the name of their constituencies.

Glad folks here have the patience to report on it though.

re: #93 Fasternu426

You guys attach designation numbers and letters to your pens as well as the guns and airplanes?!

/mightier than the sword, lol

re: #75 Charles

Link to live web feed:

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

much thanks

re: #90 taxfreekiller

There sits "In , "We the Peoples U.S. Senate"," Lt. for Life, traitor, fraud, fake awards and citations John F. Kerry, a shame and disgrace to America.

Tick Tock goes the clock, America take a good look at him, then look at yourselves, chose a path.!

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Did anyone else see droopy eyebrowed John Francoise Kerry supporting Obama's candidacy, and trashing his 'good friend' John McCain two days ago with Chris Wallace grilling Kerry?

Kerry--who asked McCain to be his Vice Presidential candidate in 2004--suddenly denied he had done so, and then morphed McCain into GWBush, ripping into McCain, invoking the 100 years-in-Iraq straw man, etc.

McCaskill (D) Mo. is right to bring up the cost of nation building in Iraq. Shiias and Sunnis must be trained to provide security for themselves but at what point do we stop pouring $$ in.

re: #33 buzzsawmonkey

Funny--I find I have things "coming up" whenever I think about him these days.

Yeah. Like lunch.

re: #98 laZardo

Those pens kick ass, really! I couldn't help it, but I got into a conversation the other day about those pens with another vet (my life is a thrill a minute!).

On second thought, I need to get out more often.......

Real,

Concur. That's actually one of the reasons I picked it as an example. You see, the current mess in Texas is due to a "fundamentalist sect", not dissimilar to what Whabbism is to Islam.

Take away the petrodollars, you take away the unnaturally large Whabbist influence. Take away Whabbist ifluence, and you give peaceful Islam a fighting chance. (grin)

This won't likely help Israel any time soon - the wounds between Jew and Muslim are too deep to heal in a single generation - especially while the rockets are still falling on Israel - but given *enough* time.... who knows?

Mew

re: #71 realwest

Much better said than did I in my #51, but iirc, Mormons outlawed polygamy something like 100 years or so ago (we have at least two Mormon lizards and I learned a lot from them late last night, early this morning) and that's what they indicated.

Who's this dumbie?

Thank you General Petraous is all they need to say.

I'm watching Tom and Jerry on the Cartoon Channel. So, shoot me.

re: #85 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

It was directed back at Hillary over the undeniable progress in Iraq. Hilarious.

Damn! I missed it! Who dealt it back at her?

re: #98 laZardo

The Pen is mightier than the Sword?
OK... Lets fight, You get pen... I get Sword.

re: #91 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
I couldn't blame him for retiring, but I sure would like to see him either stay in charge in Iraq (cause there really isn't any substitute for experience) but think he'd be GREAT in Afghanistan - I think he'd be able to coordinate the roles and functions of the military provided by NATO.

OT: Michelle Obama "needs more white people";

Michelle Obama @ Carnegie Mellon

...While the crowd was indeed diverse, some students at the event questioned the practices of Mrs. Obama’s event coordinators, who handpicked the crowd sitting behind Mrs. Obama. The Tartan’s correspondents observed one event coordinator say to another, “Get me more white people, we need more white people.” To an Asian girl sitting in the back row, one coordinator said, “We’re moving you, sorry. It’s going to look so pretty, though.”

“I didn’t know they would say, ‘We need a white person here,’ ” said attendee and senior psychology major Shayna Watson, who sat in the crowd behind Mrs. Obama. “I understood they would want a show of diversity, but to pick up people and to reseat them, I didn’t know it would be so outright.”

/gaze

re: #98 laZardo

Oh, and yes, everything has a number... and gets painted, buffed or polished!

re: #108 MandyManners

I'm watching Tom and Jerry on the Cartoon Channel. So, shoot me.

how can you tell the difference between Tom and Jerry and Hillary and Nelson ?

re: #89 anotherindyfilmguy

The Koran should not be banned, rather everyone should be required to read it... read it though... not rote memorize it like in islamic schools... and read with full historic and cultural footnotes... education is the best way to ensure that islam is rejected by the west and walked away from by the rest of the world.

But it's not the Koran unless it's in Arabic.....
lest that's what were told, therefore what we read isn't the real thing and subject to misinterpretation and a fatwa.

re: #108 MandyManners

I'm watching Tom and Jerry on the Cartoon Channel. So, shoot me.

Code for Hildebeast & Hussien on CSPAN?

re: #101 snowcrash

McCaskill (D) Mo. is right to bring up the cost of nation building in Iraq. Shiias and Sunnis must be trained to provide security for themselves but at what point do we stop pouring $$ in.

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60 years later, are we pouring $$$ into Germany, Korea, Europe? (Those places don't even have oil/sarcastically said.)

Do you want a timetable? Iraq is investing their oil proceeds in the US because they can't trust their own banks right now. They WILL pay back, in a peace dividend, and in increased petroleum dividends.

re: #98 laZardo

Lighthouse for the blind is a company that provides work for blind people and fills various government contracts (all on lowest bid etc). The inexpensive pen made by blind people for use by government officials in his hand is a stark contrast to the overly expensive pens, also paid for by tax dollars, held by the ineffective twits trying to grill him...

re: #110 ethanxxx

Laser-cutter pen vs. Light-saber.

/epic

re: #112 Terp Mole

She's here in Winston-Salem, NC today. I think I'll pass.

re: #110 ethanxxx

The Pen is mightier than the Sword?
OK... Lets fight, You get pen... I get Sword.

With a Pen, I'll fill out the proper forms and request one of these.

Pens kick ass!

If Chambliss throws Petreus under the bus, i'll be at his office in the morning DEMANDING my political contribution check back

re: #101 snowcrash

I'd suggest we stop pouring money (and much more importantly, our troops) into Iraq when Shiias and Sunnis have been trained to provide security for themselves AND we "convince" Iran to cease and desist aiding the "insurgents" in Iraq.

Are any books actually banned here in the U.S.? A local and popular Communist bookstore here in Buffalo displays large posters imploring people to "READ BANNED BOOKS!" These posters are plastered next to pictures of Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Che, Mao, and other Commie icons. Aren't the Communists the ones who specialize in book banning?

Banning the Quran would be make us like them.

re: #64 Ben Hur

'I Know the Jews Inside Out'

Alan Colmes talks to Yousef al-Khattab:

Yousef Al-Kalb

re: #94 MijaCat

The problem is with the re-interpretation of Islam that the Saudis (indeed, most of the Arabs) have been using to maintain their hold on power - and exporting, fueled by the insane number of petrodollars flowing into Arab hands.

Either stop the flow (which worked so well with Iraq, eh?) or change the culture.

Change the culture? Sounds great. And about as doable as roping the Moon, considering that the radical Muslims seem to be calling all the shots for Islam around the world. Killing or calling for the killing of dissenters, critics and "apostates". And often being able to carry out the threat.

So, kitty, how do you propose to change a culture where the children are taught from birth to hate and long to die as a suicide bombers? How do you change a culture where murder, torture, and misogyny are pillars of faith and personal honor? Hummm?

re: #122 Fasternu426

With a Pen, I'll fill out the proper forms and request one of these.

Pens kick ass!

Can I order up a B-1B with a full load out of JDAM's with my pen?

re: #97 Sol Roth "I can't take the partisan denigration of man so far above them in intellect and honor either." AMEN to that!

re: #114 sattv4u2

how can you tell the difference between Tom and Jerry and Hillary and Nelson ?

Tom and Jerry provide a useful function for society. Oh, and I am not tempted to throw the remote at the TV.

re: #122 Fasternu426

and while you wait months for the red tape to clear, the one with the sword will have gutted you.

Ahhh.... government efficiency.

re: #116 Squirrelguy

Code for Hildebeast & Hussien on CSPAN?

Nah. I'm too tired to code.

re: #125 Pyrocles

Are any books actually banned here in the U.S.? A local and popular Communist bookstore here in Buffalo displays large posters imploring people to "READ BANNED BOOKS!" These posters are plastered next to pictures of Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Che, Mao, and other Commie icons. Aren't the Communists the ones who specialize in book banning?

Banning the Quran would be make us like them.

I know of a few "banned" books, mostly from various school libraries. I've never heard of Stalin & company being banned. These are usually on the order of Huckleberry Finn (because Mark Twain uses the N word).

re: #131 MandyManners

1+ for that ! (it would be more, if I could)

My humans bought some of their lightbulbs once. In six years, never had to replace *those* bulbs again.

The stupid spiral-fluroescent pieces of crap, on the other hand, had to be moved from socket to socket becasue they're at just the right frequency to give the female human a massive headache.

Mew

re: #118 anotherindyfilmguy

Lighthouse for the blind is a company that provides work for blind people and fills various government contracts (all on lowest bid etc). The inexpensive pen made by blind people for use by government officials in his hand is a stark contrast to the overly expensive pens, also paid for by tax dollars, held by the ineffective twits trying to grill him...

re: #123 sattv4u2

If Chambliss throws Petreus under the bus, i'll be at his office in the morning DEMANDING my political contribution check back

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Bless you for holding your Representative responsible.

re: #123 sattv4u2

Me too!

re: #129 jcm

Just fill out the right paperwork and the world is yours!

re: #23 Charles

By the way, if you post "ban the Koran" in all capital letters, bolded, you achieve nothing except to make me and everyone here look like nuts.

huh?

re: #125 Pyrocles

Are any books actually banned here in the U.S.? A local and popular Communist bookstore here in Buffalo displays large posters imploring people to "READ BANNED BOOKS!" These posters are plastered next to pictures of Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Che, Mao, and other Commie icons. Aren't the Communists the ones who specialize in book banning?

Banning the Quran would be make us like them.

Your point is accurate. Every year the Library associations have 'banned book readings" where they read from books that were banned at some point--but none of these books are actually banned by the government now. The books in question are often deemed inappropriate for some school or public libraries, and the schools and communities have every right to determine what is appropriate reading material for their students. Just because a book is not in a public library does not mean that you can't find the book and purchase it somewhere else or borrow it through inter-library loan.

re: #139 Mike in Georgia

Me too!

I'll meet you at the coffee shop at the corner before we go ,,,,, you're buying

re: #115 jcm

That's just racist Arabic b.s. propaganda put forward by the hijackers of a cult that should have died with mo'... how they consider the NOI and treat their "guest workers" also illustrates their racist nature...

re: #136 sattv4u2

1+ for that ! (it would be more, if I could)

Huh?

re: #121 ethanxxx Didn't know you were another North Carolina Lizard! That's great! (from Charlotte suburbs myself!).

re: #132 LanceKates

You haven't seen what was ordered by my predecessor?

re: #108 MandyManners

I'm watching Tom and Jerry on the Cartoon Channel. So, shoot me.

Tom and Jerry is a Zionist plot!

re: #145 MandyManners

Huh?

I dinged that comment UP 1 !

If Obama appears at this hearing, no matter how dumb he looks, somehow CNN will miraculously edit a 30 second sound bite that makes him look good. If he can't come up with an intelligent question, they'll just do a voice over:

"Senator Barack today took General Petraeus to task over the continuing failures of the current administration in Iraq. In a sometimes heated exchange Obama showed his Presidential abilities before a packed Senate chamber."

Spin, spin, spin.
Yuch.

re: #118 anotherindyfilmguy

OMG! They've probably got priority bids to oppress the Iraqis with corporate ink with Halliburton!

re: #143 sattv4u2

OK

re: #117 alegrias
No timetable. Just a sense of where the money is going. Is it still going into basic infrastructure, power, water, communications or are we concentrating on security? Petraeus is answering this ? very well right now.

re: #150 EC Marm

he's on the committee that Petreaus has to go to later today, I beleive

re: #112 Terp Mole

OT: Michelle Obama "needs more white people";

/gaze

I hope they keep it up. Word is bound to spread.

re: #146 realwest

Well... Howdy neighbor. Now why did I think you were out West somewhere?

re: #112 Terp Mole

“I understood they would want a show of diversity, but to pick up people and to reseat them, I didn’t know it would be so outright.”

"So outright." That's the big sin. They're all about the nuance.

re: #151 laZardo

I don't dare watch this
I may loose my Vulcan cool.... and froth !
;~}

WLGF out

re: #142 vxbush

The last time I heard of a book being banned by a government in the U.S. is "Ulysses," banned in Boston in something like 1924.

re: #148 Alouette

So is Pokemon!

/they don't liek mudkipz ;_;

Dog,

The dollar is the root of evil, literally in this case. Remove the dollars, the culture will have to change.

We're *already* changing the culture, by the way - why do you think there's always a KFC around for the rioting sheep to torch? It's just a slow, generational process.

Without the petrodollars, Whabbism is just a normal reaction to the cultural change - think of it as the Islamic answer to the "back to the earth" movement in the '70s, an attempt to rediscover their roots. The petrodollars amplify this quite a bit.

Mew

re: #128 maddogg

Change the culture? Sounds great. And about as doable as roping the Moon, considering that the radical Muslims seem to be calling all the shots for Islam around the world. Killing or calling for the killing of dissenters, critics and "apostates". And often being able to carry out the threat.

So, kitty, how do you propose to change a culture where the children are taught from birth to hate and long to die as a suicide bombers? How do you change a culture where murder, torture, and misogyny are pillars of faith and personal honor? Hummm?

re: #150 EC Marm

If Obama appears at this hearing, no matter how dumb he looks, somehow CNN will miraculously edit a 30 second sound bite that makes him look good. If he can't come up with an intelligent question, they'll just do a voice over:

Spin, spin, spin.
Yuch.

Maam, you're ready to work for the MSM! :D

my connection keeps cutting out on me at cspan. hard to follow what they were talking about anyway.

re: #147 Fasternu426

I wouldn't stand too near THAT ammo if you want to have children.

re: #161 doppelganglander

The last time I heard of a book being banned by a government in the U.S. is "Ulysses," banned in Boston in something like 1924.

And yet this will be shown by the library association as the cruel example of book banning in place today! Makes me puke.

re: #75 Charles

Now we're cooking with gas! Thanks.

re: #161 doppelganglander

The last time I heard of a book being banned by a government in the U.S. is "Ulysses," banned in Boston in something like 1924.

There was something or other banned in Boston when I was a girl back in the early 60's (maybe late 50's) but it escapes me what it was.

re: #165 bosforus

Just a bunch of idiots trying to make themselves seem
intelligent and important. Just my opinion.

According to commentators on the networks, Barack Obama will grill Gen. Petraeus a bit later, as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee.

What? Barry is going to perform a function as a member of the his Senate committee? We'll being seeing History in the making, folks!

re: #148 Alouette

Tom and Jerry is a Zionist plot!

What a moron!

re: #149 sattv4u2

I dinged that comment UP 1 !

Oh. The rating thingy. Thank you.

Book bannings in America have been regional, not national. Usually shortlived and rarely serious.

Some more Harris Brio:
[Link: www.hosted-forum.com...]
Looks like this website might be his main watering hole.
And another one:
Jews for Allah

re: #158 ethanxxx nicname no doubt! And it's a long, boring story about how I chose the nicname!
We have, by my rough count, something like 8 of us down here! Unfortunately we're spread ALL over the State Mountains, Piedmont, Beach front and capital area and of course Winston-Salem. Hard to arrange a meet-up, but I'm determined to do so!

re: #56 galloping granny

She is only 11 - does not read Spanish yet. I hunted heaven & earth for the Oxford translation. Heston did a movie version? (who knew!) I'll have to hunt that up.

good luck i couldnt find that flick anywhere had to resort to bittorrent

re: #55 EC Marm

Now you made me look; a capital city of "Moroni" and 98% sunni muslim, 2% Roman Catholic population.
[Link: www.cia.gov...]

Isn't "Moroni" the name of the "angel" that visited Joseph Smith and showed him where to dig up the plates?

Who is the buffoon currently speaking?

/I don't mean Patreus, I mean the idiot sitting in his ivory tower.

re: #128 maddogg

Several ways come to mind:
1. Leave them behind. Get off the M.E. oil dependency (and watch the world follow suit) Let them rot in ancient practices and abandon the old ways to try and catch up to the rest of the world they've tasted but can't have without money and being part of the process once the wells run dry.

2. Convert them away to real Religion. (insert your religion of choice)

3. Force. (worked for Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan) They're at war with us, just in varying degrees and openness. We're not at total war with them. Yet.

4. Time. ALL cultures/empires etc both religious and secular have a clock on their long term existence. Depending on where you get your facts from taking a real long term look at it islam is doomed to eventual desertion for a variety of factors combined from 1 through 3 above...

re: #174 pat

Too many people think that a publisher dropping a book or calls to not buy a book are the same as book banning.

They really believe that unless we're required to read THEIR drivel, it is censorship.

re: #163 MijaCat

That sounds...actually reasonable.

Webb was sure to get in the fact he has a son serving in the military. Then spent 6 min blah blah blahing to simply ask about military's ability to provide troops to cover various military engagements/commitments around the world. I don't know how anyone could follow these hearings for hours.

re: #163 MijaCat

Without the petrodollars, Whabbism is just a normal reaction to the cultural change - think of it as the Islamic answer to the "back to the earth" movement in the '70s, an attempt to rediscover their roots. The petrodollars amplify this quite a bit.

Hummm. I can't recall any of the "back to the earth" folks blowing up the WTC twice, the second time killing around 3000 folks. Don't remember these folks doing the Pentagon either, among thousands of other atrocities around the world.

Are you actually trying to compare Wahabbism to some obscure counter culture from the '70s? I'm not sure I want to "shine them on" for fucking generations, hoping they will become more moderate, while they kill and enslave their way across the West.

In fact, I would have to say you are full of beans. (thats really nice for maddogg BTW).

re: #127 Alouette

I just listened to that -- wow. Might even deserve it's own thread (but who am I to say)? So very telling.

re: #176 realwest

Keep me in mind. Let's do Beach Front! I spend a lot of time down at Emerald Isle during the summer.

re: #6 justacanuck

Shillary -- "no clear way forward"

You dumb ass. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention of late.

She's in desperation mode.

My senator Cornyn up to bat...

re: #174 pat Yeah, I think you're right on both counts, though I do seem to remember that Huckleberry Finn was banned pretty much all over the place, the stated reason being because Mr. Twain used the N word 8 times in the book.
The real reason - at least in his home state of Missouri - was that it was the first book written by a preeminent American, that not-so-subtly attacked Segregation.

So is there an update? What is Petraeus saying?

re: #23 Charles

By the way, if you post "ban the Koran" in all capital letters, bolded, you achieve nothing except to make me and everyone here look like nuts.

Mobys?

re: #180 anotherindyfilmguy

I will agree with 1-3. The last will follow, but my country and people will not have to suffer through those many years waiting for these cave dwellers to moderate if 1-3 are judiciously used.

re: #189 Fasternu426

My senator Cornyn up to bat...

I'm proud that he's our Senator, at least on the war.

re: #155 snowcrash

No timetable. Just a sense of where the money is going. Is it still going into basic infrastructure, power, water, communications or are we concentrating on security? Petraeus is answering this ? very well right now.

* * *
If you read LGF you know jihadis blow things up, go splodey.

We've spent much more on security than we expected to because jihadis blow up existing, new, ANY, infrastructure, including fellow Iraqi's schools, markets, cars, trucks, homes, mosques, oil pipelines.

I appreciate your bean-counting interest in the name of the taxpayer. Patton would have had a field day with people asking him for up to the minute accounting, grrrrrrr.

re: #190 realwest

Remember which political party fought desegregation.

Hint, It starts with D and their icon is the Carter Jackass.

No, Sadr did not win... Austin Bay weighs in...

So what about last week’s instant narrative of doom? Is anyone besides me tired of it? The quick damnation of PM Maliki and the Iraqi Army’s efforts last week reveals an immense ignorance of warfare, one still rampant despite six-plus years of alleged experience; it displays not simply hasty, herd-mentality judgmentalism, but demonstrates in trump cards the sensationalist, fear-leveraging slant of most media coverage. Scare’em into reading the screed seems to be the herd-media’s order of business, and if that doesn’t work, affect deep moral outrage.

re: #28 Charles

Hillary's voice is shot.

Her campaign is basically over. The rats are leaving her sinking ship.

Here's an interesting brief article on book banning: Banned in Boston.

Here in metro Atlanta, we had a parent try to ban Harry Potter from the school library. She got approximately zero support.

re: #194 Ward Cleaver

I've met him and his wife when he was Texas Atty General. She fed me (loooong story) They are genuinely nice people!

Whose the butt nugget speaking now?

re: #187 ethanxxx Well I was actually thinking of something sorta "mid State" - y'all know, Southern Piedmont sorta thing!
Actually, it would be easier (or equally difficult) for us to have a meet-up in the Charlotte area since 3 of the lizards live waay north and West of Charlotte and I, of course, live just a little south of Charlotte.
Plus my health puts some restrictions on my own mobility.

re: #195 alegrias
Don't feel that asking that the tax paying public be kept informed is considered "bean counting". There is no hidden agenda here just an interest about where the money goes. Deficit is a real concern for now and future generations.

re: #181 buzzsawmonkey

Totally dishonest video. It calls itself footage of a "small nuclear explosion"; then intercuts well-known footage from some major early nuclear tests with a firing of a shell which may or may not be nuclear--and which probably isn't, given the lack of protective gear being worn by the people standing around the gun.

It also intercuts between the cloud ostensibly--probably--from the shell explosion and at least two separate and distinct genuine mushroom clouds. The filmmaker is counting on his viewers not realizing that any large explosion on a still day will send up a "mushroom" cloud of sorts, since the smoke from the explosion will rise in the air and coil back upon itself.

The artillery shell is in fact a nuclear device ... it's an 8" nuclear munition.

You are 100% correct otherwise regarding the editing.

evan bayh- D illinois

Evan Bayh, sounded like him. What a dookie stain!

Just call the current Senator an idiot and move on to the next question...

re: #184 snowcrash

Webb was sure to get in the fact he has a son serving in the military. Then spent 6 min blah blah blahing to simply ask about military's ability to provide troops to cover various military engagements/commitments around the world. I don't know how anyone could follow these hearings for hours.

* * *
Yet when Pres. Bush asked how his son was doing, Webb slammed the President Bush and said "that's between me and my boy"./

Webb's a dirtbag who wore his son's combat boots around his neck while campaigning as a Dem.

re: #196 LanceKates
LOL! How could I forget - especially when one of "their" venerated Senators used to be a grand kleagle or some such in the Ku Klux Klan!
BTW, which party was it who's President freed the slaves?!
/

Webb's son should come back and run against daddy as Republican...

The Continuing Iran-American War by Michael Ledeen

All this attention to Moqtadah is at odds with his actual behavior: he long since abandoned the battlefield. Missing from Iraq for many months, he recently resurfaced with the surprising announcement that he had gone to Iran to devote himself to religious. The Iranians had fired him, and they restructured the Mahdi Army into smaller, more autonomous groups. The recent violence came from the new units, headed by Iranian officers, agents, and recruits who, Tehran hoped, are not well known to Coalition and Iraqi military intelligence...

...I think General Petraeus is trying to force the Bush Administration to recognize these hard facts and act accordingly. He is saying that we cannot accomplish our objectives in Iraq without challenging the regime in Tehran.

re: #210 realwest

Remember, The conservatives kick out KKK members (David Duke) but the Democrats hold them high (both Byrd, and also anti-white racists)

Daily Kos-like rant going on now from Evan Bayh of Indiana.

The Dems must have picked him to be the first to insinuate that Crocker and Petraeus are lying.

re: #209 alegrias
On this we agree. Compare it to how selfless McCain has been about about using his son who is serving for his own political gain.

re: #181 buzzsawmonkey

Totally dishonest video. It calls itself footage of a "small nuclear explosion"; then intercuts well-known footage from some major early nuclear tests with a firing of a shell which may or may not be nuclear--and which probably isn't, given the lack of protective gear being worn by the people standing around the gun.

It also intercuts between the cloud ostensibly--probably--from the shell explosion and at least two separate and distinct genuine mushroom clouds. The filmmaker is counting on his viewers not realizing that any large explosion on a still day will send up a "mushroom" cloud of sorts, since the smoke from the explosion will rise in the air and coil back upon itself.

The actual gun firing and detonation was Operation Grable the test the of the 208mm nuke capable artillery. The rest is as you as composite of a bunch of different stuff and tests.

re: #215 Charles

They must be lying. They work for a Republican!

Only Republicans Lie!

Hillary really did Dodge Sniper Fire!

"Creating more terrorists!"

In Capitolspeak Petraeus just called Bayh an ignorant idiot...

Bayh is impenetrable in his idiocy.

"I'm a four star general and have strategic thoughts"

Loved it! Take that, beeyoch!

I can't imagine what goes through the mind of a professional soldier when he gets grilled by Ted F-cking Kennedy.

Such are the vagaries and oddities of our excellent system, that we can be treated to such spectacle - itself a by-product of civilian control over the military.

"Senator Kennedy, with all due respect, fuck you and the horse you rode in on, you traitorous, drunken, murdering, lying bastard."

/

Bayh: You justed pulled that out of your ass. the Dem playbook.

Hello folks. Just to give credit to Charles, shortly after 9/11 I read the entire Koran (albeit, in English) just because I wanted to fully understand the motivations of the Islamicist nut jobs. Thomas Jefferson did likewise, lo these many years ago. To read it does not indicate that one agrees with it. I recommend that more read it, just so that those vile passages can be read and understood by a wider Western audience. We need to understand our adversaries.

re: #209 alegrias Yeah, Jimmy Webb has sure changed A LOT over the years. I went out drinking eating with him a time or two when he was in the Reagan administration and he's a genuine combat vet and a genuine "hero" (unlike John Effin' Kerry) himself. Really sad to see what political ambition can do to someone.

re: #222 Charles

Bayh is impenetrable in his idiocy.

Bayh, rumor has it is on HRC's short list for veep.

Petraeus: it's not responsible. With respect.

Baye wants a rough estimate? Give the enemy intel that they can use!

I should say I'm not watching this because as much as I want to see Petraeus, I know it's just showbusiness for ugly, stupid people. I understand that Fat Teddy pretended he was relevant earlier, though.

Petraeus - 1
Bayh - 0

These twits are like someone standing over the painting of the chapel...
When will it be done?
When will it be done?
When will it be done?
It will be done when I say it's done... now go away...

Bayah is a weasel. He couldn't let Petraeus have the last word in his answer.

Bayh: The new empty-headed prettyboy replacement for Silky.

re: #231 Pawn of the Oppressor

Ted Kennedy IS relevant. The liquor field depends on his business!

Actually, he OUGHT to be sober now, since he had that surgery months ago.

I did not know that Evan Bayh was such a passive-aggressive pr*ck

re: #215 Charles OMG - is he really insinuating that Crocker and Petraeus are lying ?
Man, I am SO GLAD I'm not listening to this crap.

CODEPINK is acting up!

Inpromptu sing along for peace?

Who is singing in the back ground? Code Pink?

re: #239 Charles

CODEPINK is acting up!

It's what they do.

re: #233 anotherindyfilmguy

These twits are like someone standing over the painting of the chapel...
When will it be done?
When will it be done?
When will it be done?
It will be done when I say it's done... now go away...

"You have no exit strategy for leaving the chapel! The chapel was more free before it was painted! No Paint for Oil!"

Who lets these people into hearings?

re: #242 jamgarr

Just like the scorpion and the turtle.

Someone go neck punch those beeyoches!

More moonbats. Why are their mouths not declared as prohibited weapons?

re: #244 Charles

Evan Bayh.....

re: #244 Charles

Statute... on the plus side their idiocy and the fact we a re not a police state are both on display...

re: #244 Charles

Canada denied them entry*, you'd think the US government would learn from that.

* I get their emails and they ranted for a few weeks about how horrible it was that they were denied entry into canada to protest Bush because some of their members have criminal records bad enough to be denied entry into friggen canada.

Jim Webb: "I . . . , I . . . ., I . . . , etc."

re: #239 Charles

CODEPINK is acting up!

TASE 'EM, TASE 'EM!

Hey ... if they let CodePink in, how about 'our side' counter with a bunch of military folk showing up and singing some rousing tunes?

I'm trying to imagine Senators bludgeoning our military commanders for firm dates of withdrawal in 1942...

The biggest problem with the dems is that they are chock full of nuts and idiots.

re: #203 snowcrash

Don't feel that asking that the tax paying public be kept informed is considered "bean counting". There is no hidden agenda here just an interest about where the money goes. Deficit is a real concern for now and future generations.

* * *
For people who want to keep track of war costs, there's plenty of sources.

Badgering the top general responsible for the whole war effort, nickle & diming by politicians--except McCain who doesn't use pork barrel ear-marks--is posturing for the cameras and the leftists.

You want to address the deficit? Ask your democrats to cut social programs right now. Fix social security. As if they will get off the public piggy bank...

Winning the war will save money. Winning the war will increase world oil production. Winning the war will scare jihadists back into their spider holes.
Did you notice because Carter cut military funding & ran like a coward, today Ahmedinejad who kills our troops, also announced it's NUCLEAR day, and he will make more nuclear trouble? What do you think that will cost us and the world?

Asking General Petraeus bean counting questions is political posturing when so much more is at stake.
Politicians can cut the deficit by trimming their budget any day of the week.

Bayh, bayh you prick. Jayzuz...

re: #153 buzzsawmonkey

Used to be that "Lady Chatterly's Lover," "Ulysses," Henry Miller's "Tropic of Cancer" and "Tropic of Capricorn," and some others, had to be smuggled into the US. But that kind of banning hasn't been in effect since before WWII.

Ahhhh.. Lady C's Lover. A truly hot story, even today. BBC has also produced a really....steamy....version. Very, very niiiiice. *Big Sigh*. (Hmmm...all of a sudden, I need a cigarette.)

re: #244 Charles Why the Dem's, naturally - after all CodePink is part of the "hard core" left wing base of the Dem Party.

I don't object to having our elected representatives questioning Gen. Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker- it really IS their job. I object to the Dem's taking this obligation of theirs to turn this into a Petraeus and Crocker are lying with no evidence of that and with only the intention of furthering their base, political, agenda.

re: #220 Charles

"Creating more terrorists!"

* * *
John Kerry said that on Sunday when Chris Wallace interviewed him.
America Creates Terrorists.
Yes, America is the problem.

(What about when terrorists attack us here --who created them? Why us of course. Blame America Firsters)

Jeanne Kirkpatrick had them pegged, because she had once been a marxist democrat who became Reagan's staunch Amazon woman.

re: #258 realwest

I wish they'd limit it to that. These are just chances for the Dems to make election cycle soundbytes for CNN and the NYT.

The General is there as a formality and will be largely ignored by everyone except Fox News.

They might as well just have a cardboard cutout of him there, nothing he says matters to any of the dems or the msm.

/ cynical? Yeah.... but that's life.

Condi just declared that she had no interest in a VP spot, and intends to go back to the non-governmental sector somewhere in the west.

re: #227 realwest

Yeah, Jimmy Webb has sure changed A LOT over the years. I went out drinking eating with him a time or two when he was in the Reagan administration and he's a genuine combat vet and a genuine "hero" (unlike John Effin' Kerry) himself. Really sad to see what political ambition can do to someone.

* * *
Sad to see what a bad hair dye job/eyelid lift does to a former Marine.

He's just a democrat poodle now, pandering to his Northern Jihadist Virginia leftist electorate, who also adore antisemite Rep. Jim Moran.

re: #261 really grumpy big dog Johnson

That's good. She'd be destroyed as a VP candidate. Democrats don't deal well with black conservatives.

even moderates like her.

She's a smart lady and, given her past, has great drive. I think she'll do well in whatever she goes for.

Well y'all, mom just called "Lunch" and I gotta go!
Charles - thanks again for all you do for us.
To all - I hope you have a great day and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

re: #230 Fasternu426

Baye wants a rough estimate? Give the enemy intel that they can use!

* * *
Al Zawahiri, Moqtada, Syria's chinless one, Hamas' Nasrallah, they're all watching this "interrogation" from their holes and TAKING NOTES, marking dates down.

D-DAY = Defeat Day (for Democrats)

As a foreigner, may I say that:
* Gen Petraeus has wiped the floor with your senators, especially that last one, Bayh. Brilliant - just brilliant. Top drawer.

* Is it part of the job description of a Dem senator to be a windbag? I mean, politicians generally, no matter what nationality, are windbags anyway (Welsh ones are famous for it!), but what I heard just now was in a class of its own.

Full honours to Gen. Petraeus, can't wait for the next instalment.

re: #237 jamgarr

I did not know that Evan Bayh was such a passive-aggressive pr*ck

* * *
One with presidential aspirations.

re: #266 yma o hyd

As a foreigner, may I say that:
* Gen Petraeus has wiped the floor with your senators, especially that last one, Bayh. Brilliant - just brilliant. Top drawer.

* Is it part of the job description of a Dem senator to be a windbag? I mean, politicians generally, no matter what nationality, are windbags anyway (Welsh ones are famous for it!), but what I heard just now was in a class of its own.

Full honours to Gen. Petraeus, can't wait for the next instalment.

Yes, Yes, and Yes.

Note to Jim Webb:
Every time I hear you spout off about your son's service in Iraq I get a flashback to someone saying "That's between me and my son." Who was that?

Oh, that John Stuart Mill. Always quotable.

re: #269 jamgarr

Note to Jim Webb:
Every time I hear you spout off about your son's service in Iraq I get a flashback to someone saying "That's between me and my son." Who was that?

Does he have his sons boots draped around his neck?

Bayh tried to get cute with Petraeus the last time and got schooled as well.

re: #271 loppyd

Does he have his sons boots draped around his neck?

Almost

re: #270 Pent.

Oh, that John Stuart Mill. Always quotable.

"John Stuart Mill, of his own free will, on half pint of shandy was particularly ill."
- The Philosophy Song, MP

C-Span now showing floor speeches in the House, and Jim Moran (D) began ranting and raving how our tax dollars are paying for Iraqi garbage pick up! Says the Iraqi campaign isn't worth the sacrifice of our service men and women.

I just wish that once, when asked "For what purpose does the gentleman/woman from ... rise?", instead of answering the usual "To address the house and I ask consent to revise/extend my remarks", someone with some balls would respond with "To point out how utterly stupid that last guy's remarks are!"

re: #275 Intrepid

C-Span now showing floor speeches in the House, and Jim Moran (D) began ranting and raving how our tax dollars are paying for Iraqi garbage pick up! Says the Iraqi campaign isn't worth the sacrifice of our service men and women.

I just wish that once, when asked "For what purpose does the gentleman/woman from ... rise?", instead of answering the usual "To address the house and I ask consent to revise/extend my remarks", someone with some balls would respond with "To point out how utterly stupid that last guy's remarks are!"

* * *
DJim Moran has a lot of nerve--meanwhile Moran VOTES that my tax dollars go for trash pickup of illegals' trash in Northern Virginia's sanctuary cities, inside the Washington, DC Beltway.

re: #275 Intrepid

C-Span now showing floor speeches in the House, and Jim Moran (D) began ranting and raving how our tax dollars are paying for Iraqi garbage pick up! Says the Iraqi campaign isn't worth the sacrifice of our service men and women.

* * *
You do wonder why the Caliphate countries don't do trash pickup...something's rotten in the Caliphate, but we knew that here.

re: #271 loppyd