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Bilal Hussein Gets 'Amnesty'

Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 12:56:38 pm PDT

AP photographer Bilal Hussein has received amnesty from the Iraqi government, under a new law. I was unable to find any details about this “new law,” but apparently it covers Hussein.

BAGHDAD (AP) - An Iraqi judicial committee has dismissed terrorism-related allegations against Associated Press photographer Bilal Hussein and ordered him freed after nearly two years in U.S. military custody.

The decision by a four-judge panel says Hussein’s case falls under a new amnesty law and orders Iraqi courts to “cease legal proceedings.” The ruling says that Hussein should be “immediately” released if no other charges are pending.

The ruling is dated Monday but AP’s lawyers were not able to thoroughly review it until Wednesday.

AP President Tom Curley is hailing the decision and demands that officials “finally do the right thing” and free Hussein.

Amnesty, of course, does not necessarily equal innocence. We’ll have to see what the military decides to do next.

UPDATE at 4/9/08 1:07:11 pm:

LawHawk points out a story about the amnesty law in question, at Aswat Aliraq.

UPDATE at 4/23/08 3:59:57 pm:

A reply to Eric Boehler’s dishonest Media Matters hit piece is here.

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1 Brinks  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 12:58:18pm

Make him a mock chicken sandwich

2 Iron Fist  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 12:58:29pm

Hopefully, more charges are pending.

3 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 12:58:41pm

So he got in line ahead of 20 million Mexicans?

4 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 12:58:54pm
Amnesty, of course, does not equal innocence.

In fact, it usually implies guilt.

5 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 12:59:03pm

re: #3 Ward Cleaver

So he got in line ahead of 20 million Mexicans?

Oops, wrong amnesty.

6 Tumulus11  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 12:59:50pm

. Bilal's Law.

7 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:00:00pm

As long as they're doing the vague right thing, I'm fine with it, vaguely.

8 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:00:00pm
Amnesty, of course, does not necessarily equal innocence. We’ll have to see what the military decides to do next.

Clip him?

/one can always hope

9 EC Marm  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:00:13pm

Wonder where he'll embed now?

10 Point Blank  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:00:18pm

The term "collaborator" needs resurrection. In WWII, the penalties were severe.

11 alegrias  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:00:38pm

It's still a SHAMnesty

12 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:00:50pm

I confess I don't recall who this man is or what he has done. Is there a background story someone can link to?

13 maddogg  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:00:51pm

A long vacation in GITMO might do him good, you know, surf the waterboard, flush a few Korans, work out the kinks in a wholesome outdoor environment.

14 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:01:09pm
The ruling says that Hussein should be “immediately” released if no other charges are pending.

Can't they make up a new law really quickly?

15 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:01:21pm

Charles, the Iraqi government passed the General Amnesty Law in February 2008. The law pardons huge numbers of Iraqi detainees, exclusively in Iraqi detention centers, and according to certain terms and conditions.

16 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:02:08pm

(Repeat comment)

Soon to be seen seated in the balcony next to First Lady Michelle Obama during Barry's first State of the Union address.

17 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:02:30pm

And as I noted in my post on the subject, the amnesty was part of the US benchmarks for reconciliation.

18 alegrias  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:02:57pm

On the other hand, all the Western media organizations share this one photographer--no wonder we haven't seen as much news from Iraq lately.

Surge, schmurge.

Bilal out Gitmo, say our dems.

/sarc of course

19 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:03:01pm

Either he was working with the "insurgents", or he was somehow able to predict when and where attacks would occur. If it's the latter....

He's A Witch! Burn Him!

20 Point Blank  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:04:10pm

re: #12 mama winger

Go to wikipedia and look up his name.

21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:04:20pm

Prepare a press release thanking him for all the information he gave the US and Iraqi government regarding terrorist activity, then let him go.

22 Speller  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:04:38pm

Al-Qaeda leader al-Masri 'dead'
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
al-Masri is an ex-parrot.

23 Wearyman  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:04:47pm

I'm sure that if our military has any good sense, they will have large transport trucks labeled "Destination:GITMO" waiting at the gates of the Iraqi prisons. Doubtless Bilal will be on one of them.

24 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:05:00pm

re: #20 Point Blank

Go to wikipedia and look up his name.

I did - thanks :)

25 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:05:01pm

re: #4 Occasional Reader

In fact, it usually implies guilt.

Not in this specific case, actually.

Interesting twist.

I have conflicted views on it, I suppose. If the military says he was doing something wrong, I'm certainly eager to hear what they've got to say; on the other hand, I think it's more or less unconscionable to hold a man two years without a trial.

26 Tumulus11  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:05:21pm
'According to the U.S. military, Hussein was arrested in April 2006, when bomb parts and insurgent propaganda were found in his house in Ramadi after the U.S. military asked to use it as an observation post during an operation.

The military said that Hussein was found with two insurgents, including Hamid Hamad Motib, an alleged leader of al-Qaida terrorists in Iraq. According to a May 7, 2006 e-mail from U.S. Army Major General Jack Gardner, 'He has close relationships with persons known to be responsible for kidnappings, smuggling, improvised explosive device (IED) attacks and other attacks on coalition forces.'

Gardner continued, 'The information available establishes that he has relationships with insurgents and is afforded access to insurgent activities outside the normal scope afforded to journalists conducting legitimate activities.'
// Wiki.

27 Render  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:05:27pm

He's not in Iraqi custody.

We have him.

JURISDICTION,
R

28 Point Blank  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:05:33pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Prepare a press release thanking him for all the information he gave the US and Iraqi government regarding terrorist activity, then let him go.

Brutal :)

29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:05:40pm

re: #22 Speller

Al-Qaeda leader al-Masri 'dead'
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
al-Masri is an ex-parrot.

He's pining.

30 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:05:45pm

re: #25 Cognito

on the other hand, I think it's more or less unconscionable to hold a man two years without a trial.

During a time of war?

31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:05:52pm

re: #26 Tumulus11

Hey, are we allowed to use his last name?

32 alegrias  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:05:56pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Prepare a press release thanking him for all the information he gave the US and Iraqi government regarding terrorist activity, then let him go.

* * *
Best suggestion yet.

Release him from Gitmo, deBaathification was baaaaad! (Dem whining)
/sarc

33 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:06:10pm

Well, I guess we got told.

34 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:06:21pm

re: #30 mama winger

During a time of war?

Like I said, I'm eager to hear what the military has to say.

35 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:07:02pm

re: #10 Point Blank

The term "collaborator" needs resurrection. In WWII, the penalties were severe.

exactly. along with true definitions and punishments for "spy", "treason", "sedition", etc.

36 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:07:14pm

Ahhh...The ol' Reconciliation ruse of the third world (see South Africa).

All gets forgiven, even Apartheid.

Strange how that never applies to the US, slavery and the million other grievances heaped on America by the left.

37 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:07:23pm

re: #25 Cognito

The US military has a different level of proof - and they claim to have the goods on him. The Iraqis say he should be released under the recently passed Amnesty Law, which was passed in February unless there are other charges against him. I think the US has more on him, especially since the guy was found to be in cahoots with the terrorists - both in where and how he managed to take photos of the terrorists in action, but in his very arrest - in the presence of still other terrorists.

Hussein wasn't a journalist, but a willing accomplice in feeding the wire services terrorist propaganda.

38 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:07:28pm

My cat box needs changing. bbiam

39 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:07:40pm

re: #10 Point Blank

The term "collaborator" needs resurrection. In WWII, the penalties were severe.

Amen!

40 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:08:05pm

re: #25 Cognito

That was quick!

Didn't you get amnesty, like, yesterday?

LOL!
;)

41 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:08:48pm
42 alegrias  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:09:14pm

re: #25 Cognito

Not in this specific case, actually.

Interesting twist.

I have conflicted views on it, I suppose. If the military says he was doing something wrong, I'm certainly eager to hear what they've got to say; on the other hand, I think it's more or less unconscionable to hold a man two years without a trial.

* * *
Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during war; Bilal was hanging out & facilitating attacks on coalition troops. NOT exactly an innocent bystander in my book, sorry--my conscience is not bothered.

43 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:09:15pm

re: #37 lawhawk

The US military has a different level of proof - and they claim to have the goods on him. The Iraqis say he should be released under the recently passed Amnesty Law, which was passed in February unless there are other charges against him. I think the US has more on him, especially since the guy was found to be in cahoots with the terrorists - both in where and how he managed to take photos of the terrorists in action, but in his very arrest - in the presence of still other terrorists.

Hussein wasn't a journalist, but a willing accomplice in feeding the wire services terrorist propaganda.

So CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and their MSM ilk are on trial?

/...one can dream...right?

44 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:10:00pm

re: #37 lawhawk

The US military has a different level of proof - and they claim to have the goods on him. The Iraqis say he should be released under the recently passed Amnesty Law, which was passed in February unless there are other charges against him. I think the US has more on him, especially since the guy was found to be in cahoots with the terrorists - both in where and how he managed to take photos of the terrorists in action, but in his very arrest - in the presence of still other terrorists.

Hussein wasn't a journalist, but a willing accomplice in feeding the wire services terrorist propaganda.

Yep. I'm just eager to hear it play out in a legal way.

The guy may be a complete and utter collaborator -- or worse -- but at the moment his case is trapped in a weird quasi-place between Iraqi sovereignty and American jurisdiction.

45 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:10:13pm

re: #37 lawhawk

The US military has a different level of proof - and they claim to have the goods on him. The Iraqis say he should be released under the recently passed Amnesty Law, which was passed in February unless there are other charges against him. I think the US has more on him, especially since the guy was found to be in cahoots with the terrorists - both in where and how he managed to take photos of the terrorists in action, but in his very arrest - in the presence of still other terrorists.

Hussein wasn't a journalist, but a willing accomplice in feeding the wire services terrorist propaganda.


Now, what can we, as supporters of Israel, do to combat this US double standard?

What about all the American/Euro MSM journos meeting with Pali terrorists on a daily basis? Even prior to their attacks - when they remain silent, even though they know their "sources" are going to attack civilians?

Answer?

It's the US, stupid.

46 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:10:19pm

re: #40 Ben Hur

That was quick!

Didn't you get amnesty, like, yesterday?

LOL!
;)

hm?

47 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:10:54pm
48 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:11:03pm

re: #40 Ben Hur

That was quick!

Didn't you get amnesty, like, yesterday?

LOL!
;)

BWAAAAHAAAAHAAAA!

49 EC Marm  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:11:06pm

re: #40 Ben Hur
You're thinking about %u0279%u01DDpu%u01DD%u0287sae

50 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:11:59pm

re: #22 Speller

Al-Qaeda leader al-Masri 'dead'
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
al-Masri is an ex-parrot.

He's simply pining for the fjords.

51 zmdavid  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:12:08pm

Has the guy been released, or just ordered released? We probably need a source other than AP for this, since he's an AP man.

52 alegrias  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:12:14pm

re: #44 Cognito

Yep. I'm just eager to hear it play out in a legal way.

The guy may be a complete and utter collaborator -- or worse -- but at the moment his case is trapped in a weird quasi-place between Iraqi sovereignty and American jurisdiction.

* * *
I see you are ok with Clinton era "litigation" approach to finding the real killers in the first World Trade Center attacks and each subsequent attack on the US which killed hundreds of Americans.

53 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:12:22pm

re: #38 mama winger

My cat box needs changing. bbiam

I'm off to the cat store to buy a cat and cat box.

54 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:12:55pm

re: #52 alegrias

* * *
I see you are ok with Clinton era "litigation" approach to finding the real killers in the first World Trade Center attacks and each subsequent attack on the US which killed hundreds of Americans.

Um, no.

But if it makes you feel better, sure.

55 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:14:08pm
56 Tumulus11  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:14:22pm
#31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian 4/09/08 1:05:52
re: #26 Tumulus11

Hey, are we allowed to use his last name?

. Bilal al-Baracki ?

57 Opinionated  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:14:59pm

He got off for the same reason they all get off, get released, walk out of jail, "escape".

It's covered under the sacrosanct Islamic Doctrine.

You're with us or with the Infidels

58 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:15:22pm
59 BGOH  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:15:27pm

I love this quote from this eejit's wiki page:

Kathleen Carroll, AP's executive editor, argued that simply because Hussein was found with insurgents, he isn't necessarily one of them.[1] "Journalists have always had relationships with people that others might find unsavory," she said. "We're not in this to choose sides, we're to report what's going on from all sides."[1]

In other words: "We do not have the capacity to distinguish right from wrong. Everyone is wrong. Except us. And the enemies of BusHitler."

I'm living in a world I no longer understand.

60 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:15:41pm

re: #56 Tumulus11

. Bilal al-Baracki ?

Is he another Obama cousin?

/starting an ugly rumor

61 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:15:57pm
62 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:16:40pm
63 alegrias  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:17:03pm

re: #57 Opinionated

He got off for the same reason they all get off, get released, walk out of jail, "escape".

It's covered under the sacrosanct Islamic Doctrine.

You're with us or with the Infidels

* * *
C'mon, to be fair, they did hang S. Hussein, Chemical Ali his cousin, and a few others.

And our dems insist they were fighting a "civil" war amongst themselves.

64 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:17:11pm
65 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:17:28pm

Maybe they can keep some of these clowns on a technicality. At least until January. Little Winger is scheduled for prisoner transport and detention. :)

66 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:17:34pm
67 pat  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:17:52pm

It has been a long time since i have agreed with a San Francisco stree protest. But I do now.

FREE TIBET

68 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:18:01pm
69 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:18:05pm

re: #66 taxfreekiller

msm = more/shit/moved

Hahahaha!

70 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:18:08pm

re: #62 taxfreekiller

msm = mush/shit/mush

It seems I've been eating MSM my whole life...no wonder I can't turn on the TV anymore...

Katie/Olby/Anderson/Nancy: "Would you like a nice steaming bowl of MSM?"

71 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:18:11pm

re: #64 taxfreekiller

msm = much/shit/mouthed

Taxfreekiller, I may be reading too much into this, but I'm starting to think you're less than satisfied with the service you've received from the media.

72 alegrias  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:18:25pm

re: #59 BGOH

I love this quote from this eejit's wiki page:


In other words: "We do not have the capacity to distinguish right from wrong. Everyone is wrong. Except us. And the enemies of BusHitler."

I'm living in a world I no longer understand.


* * *
That's the "I could no less toss my grandmother under the bus" excuse of B. Obama.

73 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:18:45pm

re: #67 pat

It has been a long time since i have agreed with a San Francisco stree protest. But I do now.

FREE TIBET

Free the religious prisoners held in China while you're at it.

74 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:19:07pm
75 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:19:26pm

re: #44 Cognito

Yes, it's in a strange place legally. The fact is that the US military has provided some details, and the photos taken by Hussein himself are incriminating in and of themselves. That a photographer could take the kinds of photos he did - and how he did - suggests close coordination and not simply luck.

This wasn't simply a guy who managed to get cellphone calls to be at place X at a given time, but was embedded with the very terrorists and hoping to tell their story - propaganda for the enemy.

76 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:20:11pm

re: #71 Cognito

Taxfreekiller, I may be reading too much into this, but I'm starting to think you're less than satisfied with the service you've received from the media.

I keep waiting for you to make the difference you told us you were working towards when you first came here. How's that progressing?

77 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:20:11pm
78 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:20:13pm

re: #67 pat

It has been a long time since i have agreed with a San Francisco stree protest. But I do now.

FREE TIBET

My new motto:

Free Tibet!
Kill Mumia!

79 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:20:49pm

re: #75 lawhawk

Yes, it's in a strange place legally. The fact is that the US military has provided some details, and the photos taken by Hussein himself are incriminating in and of themselves. That a photographer could take the kinds of photos he did - and how he did - suggests close coordination and not simply luck.

This wasn't simply a guy who managed to get cellphone calls to be at place X at a given time, but was embedded with the very terrorists and hoping to tell their story - propaganda for the enemy.

Agreed. There's a fine line between documenting and propagating, in a war zone.

80 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:20:56pm
81 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:21:28pm
82 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:21:41pm

re: #76 mama winger

I keep waiting for you to make the difference you told us you were working towards when you first came here. How's that progressing?

My memory's not what it used to be, I suppose. What difference do you mean?

83 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:21:51pm

re: #44 Cognito

Yep. I'm just eager to hear it play out in a legal way.


I believe the ACLU has an open spot.

84 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:22:16pm

re: #76 mama winger

I keep waiting for you to make the difference you told us you were working towards when you first came here. How's that progressing?

You know - the work you said you had to keep super secret, for fear you would lose everything.

85 alegrias  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:22:22pm

re: #79 Cognito

Agreed. There's a fine line between documenting and propagating, in a war zone.

* * *
Barf. That's Leni Riefenstahl's line right there, just showing the triumph of the will bla bla bla.

86 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:22:43pm
87 Vergeltung  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:23:03pm

re: #79 Cognito

Agreed. There's a fine line between documenting and propagating, in a war zone.

that's not what he said. and there is not a fine line, as you suggest. the evidence surrounding this man indicates he was rather far over any kind of line.

88 wolfie  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:23:06pm

re: #73 mama winger

Free the religious prisoners held in China while you're at it.

Don't be ridiculous! They're Christians, not Buddhists!
They're where they belong.

/sarc..........spit

89 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:23:23pm
90 pat  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:24:08pm

Not only lies, but a willful failure to report the news in order to promote a meme.

91 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:24:11pm

re: #79 Cognito

Actually Cognito, I think it extends beyond that.

If the argument was left just at the determination between propaganda, and documentation fine.

This animal has to do with violation of Geneva Convention rules.

92 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:24:18pm
93 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:24:24pm

Free Tibet!

With the purchase of any combo meal!


*Only at participating locations
Offer not valid in Ak, Hi, or Puerto Rico
94 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:24:59pm

re: #84 mama winger

You know - the work you said you had to keep super secret, for fear you would lose everything.

Ha. There's no super secret, Mama Winger. I'm just like any other person with a shred of common sense, who doesn't plan on laying out personal information on the internet.

95 pat  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:25:03pm

re: #88 wolfie

Don't be ridiculous! They're Christians, not Buddhists!
They're where they belong.

/sarc..........spit

My take on it also. That is the prevalent thinking of the left.

96 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:26:21pm

re: #87 Vergeltung

that's not what he said. and there is not a fine line, as you suggest. the evidence surrounding this man indicates he was rather far over any kind of line.

Yes, of course. He could very well be FAR beyond that line.

97 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:26:23pm
98 wolfie  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:26:27pm

re: #93 Fasternu426

Free Tibet!

Not in Puerto Rico? Porque no?
I smell a lawsuit coming!
I want my free stuff!

99 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:27:29pm

re: #85 alegrias

* * *
Barf. That's Leni Riefenstahl's line right there, just showing the triumph of the will bla bla bla.

I think you might be reading a bit too much into that comment.

100 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:27:52pm
101 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:28:24pm
102 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:28:57pm

re: #46 Cognito

hm?


Just a joke.

Carry on.

103 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:31:49pm
104 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:32:32pm

re: #94 Cognito

Ha. There's no super secret, Mama Winger. I'm just like any other person with a shred of common sense, who doesn't plan on laying out personal information on the internet.

No way...you are like a direct relation to Pinch Sulzy and you know it...

/ I'm wrong...right?

105 Q-Burn  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:36:35pm

re: #67 pat

It has been a long time since i have agreed with a San Francisco stree protest. But I do now.

FREE TIBET

Something I never knew until today, the Nazi origins of the Olympic Torch:

The 1936 Olympics was Nazi Germany's coming-out party, so Adolf Hitler's people arranged for 3,442 racially pure Aryan runners to do a relay race with an "Olympic torch" along the 3,442-km route from the Temple of Hera on Mount Olympus to the stadium in Berlin.

There never was a torch connected with the original Olympic games in ancient Greece, and the revived games got along without an international relay race just fine for 40 years before 1936. But if there was one thing the Nazis did well, it was propaganda. Leni Reifenstahl even made a documentary film about how the torch came from Athens to Berlin.

106 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:45:33pm

re: #94 Cognito

Ha. There's no super secret, Mama Winger. I'm just like any other person with a shred of common sense, who doesn't plan on laying out personal information on the internet.

Shortly after you arrived here on LGF, you made the statement that you could never let your colleagues know that you posted here, for fear that you "would lose everything." I remember how that stuck with me in a very bad way, as myself and others here had family members serving in Iraq and Afghanistan at the time. They were in direct fire, and you were anxious about keeping your posting here a secret because you had a mortgage to pay.

That's what I'm talking about.

107 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:48:25pm

re: #106 mama winger

Don't expect much of a reply. He is one thread over expertly inserting both feet into his mouth.

108 Ma Sands  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:50:06pm

mama winger....

(I left a comment for you, down near the end of the Muslim school thread.....)

109 incanus  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:51:56pm

re: #54 Cognito

Um, no.

But if it makes you feel better, sure.

I pray for the day when you provide a full answer instead of this dreck. You're approaching scroll-by status; it's that boring.

110 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:52:03pm

re: #108 Ma Sands

mama winger....

(I left a comment for you, down near the end of the Muslim school thread.....)

Ok Ma ...... thanks

lemme go look

111 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:52:41pm

re: #106 mama winger

Shortly after you arrived here on LGF, you made the statement that you could never let your colleagues know that you posted here, for fear that you "would lose everything." I remember how that stuck with me in a very bad way, as myself and others here had family members serving in Iraq and Afghanistan at the time. They were in direct fire, and you were anxious about keeping your posting here a secret because you had a mortgage to pay.

That's what I'm talking about.

Actually I don't believe I've ever said I would "lose everything." That's pretty dramatic.

But yeah, it'd be a real pain if my real name suddenly popped up here. It'd make my work life difficult. But that's no different than many other people here.

Is that a problem?

112 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:52:52pm
113 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:53:02pm

re: #109 incanus

I pray for the day when you provide a full answer instead of this dreck. You're approaching scroll-by status; it's that boring.

sorry

114 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:55:36pm

re: #109 incanus

He is already there for me. All I want to know is who summoned him?

115 mingjaiyo  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:56:04pm

#100 TFK Sir,in the years I have been a lizard and reading your posts,that is perhaps the best line you have yet written. Reminds me of an old "Calvin" cartoon where Calvin says to his tiger buddy "Know how there is proof of intelligent life in the Universe? None of it has ever tried to contact us". I like all the m/s/m wordplay ,too. Have a good one,tfk.

116 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 1:59:21pm

re: #111 Cognito

Actually I don't believe I've ever said I would "lose everything." That's pretty dramatic.

It was indeed dramatic. That is why I remember it so well. And I had just gotten an email from my son who had cleared out an Iraqi terrorist hideout, and had come under fire. So it really stick in my head when you said in essence that you did not have the courage of your convictions to be authentic within your professional circles, and to stand up for what you believed in.

I challenged you on it and you said you were working on the inside to change things, so again I ask:

How's that progressing?

117 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:00:04pm

I have to leave the blog for a bit - son needs his computer. I will check back later for any response.

118 alegrias  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:03:21pm

re: #105 Q-Burn

* * *
Great Post! Olympic Torch ceremony's history is disgusting!

This is a thread worthy post. And Bilal H. was similarly glorifying disgusting totalitarians with his photography, like Leni Riefenstahl.
No amnesty for these creeps.

119 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:04:07pm

re: #116 mama winger

Hang on Mama - he's over on the next thread questioning Charles about possible payoffs from Amazon...

120 Ma Sands  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:04:14pm

re: #116 mama winger


re: #111 Cognito


I, too, recall very clearly the words "lose everything".

121 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:04:48pm

re: #101 taxfreekiller

I think some little people are just a pain in the ass.

Now don't diss dwarfs, ok, ya?

122 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:07:04pm

re: #116 mama winger

It was indeed dramatic. That is why I remember it so well. And I had just gotten an email from my son who had cleared out an Iraqi terrorist hideout, and had come under fire. So it really stick in my head when you said in essence that you did not have the courage of your convictions to be authentic within your professional circles, and to stand up for what you believed in.

I challenged you on it and you said you were working on the inside to change things, so again I ask:

How's that progressing?

Wow, you're reading a whole lot into very little?

Where do you get your information about the courage of my convictions, etc ad nauseum? You don't know me. And you apparently don't understand why I'd rather not be held up as someone who posts here. It's not because I'm afraid of my convictions, it's because I'd like to carry on sharing them without being painted in the way people paint LGF.

Now if you've got a problem with that, that's fine. But I suggest you're wasting your time with an apparent curiosity about my personal life.

123 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:07:53pm

re: #120 Ma Sands

I, too, recall very clearly the words "lose everything".

Oh, I recall the words quite well myself. I just recall them as other people's, not mine.

124 alegrias  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:07:54pm

Forgive this thought, but no doubt Bilal supporters are sorry Bilal wasn't available to receive a Pulitzer for photography this year. Want to bet he won't be nominated next year? Or given a special award by the anti-war, pro-defeat dems?

125 Shaky Louie  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:08:30pm

re: #106 mama winger

...myself and others here had family members serving in Iraq and Afghanistan at the time. They were in direct fire, and you were anxious about keeping your posting here a secret...

because you had a mortgage to pay

.


Bravo! Bravo,mamma winger!

126 Ma Sands  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:09:14pm

re: #123 Cognito

Yours. :)

127 Ma Sands  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:23:27pm

re: #123 Cognito

re: #120 Ma Sands

I, too, recall very clearly the words "lose everything".


Oh, I recall the words quite well myself. I just recall them as other people's, not mine.


mama winger, in case you need proof, here it is.....

128 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:31:44pm

re: #127 Ma Sands

Bless you, Ma Sands.

129 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:33:17pm

Cognito - these were your words:

Hanging around and posting at Little Green Footballs is a slightly dangerous thing for my career. If word got out -- please trust me on this -- I'd lose everything.


This was my reply to you:

Hanging around and posting at Little Green Footballs is slightly heroic for me. If enough of the word gets out - please trust me on this -
my son and others like him will be able to do their jobs more safely and effectively, and may not have to go to war again for years to come..........

[snip]

If the media gets their way, I will lose everything

130 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:33:39pm

re: #127 Ma Sands

re: #123 Cognito


mama winger, in case you need proof, here it is.....

Ha!

Very good, Ma. I said the melodramatic thing. I'm not sure why it's relevant -- proof! -- but there it is.

(Here's hoping my teenage love letters never surface.)

131 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:34:39pm

re: #130 Cognito

I'm not sure why it's relevant

I'm sure you don't.

132 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:34:50pm

re: #129 mama winger

Cognito - these were your words:

Forgive me, Mama Winger, I just don't see your point.

Are you suggesting I should abandon all common sense and post my personal information here? Would you like me to post yours, as well?

133 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:35:33pm

re: #132 Cognito

Forgive me, Mama Winger, I just don't see your point.

I think you do.

134 Ma Sands  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:36:26pm

re: #130 Cognito

You hold truth very lightly, Cognito. The day is coming, I hope, when you will be blessed with a sense of shame.

135 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:38:40pm

re: #134 Ma Sands

You hold truth very lightly, Cognito. The day is coming, I hope, when you will be blessed with a sense of shame.

What on earth are you talking about?

What truth have I held lightly?

And who, if you don't mind, do you think you are, to question my "sense of shame"?

Apparently if someone is unwilling to share personal information here, it's de rigueur to just make up whatever's convenient.

136 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:40:11pm

re: #133 mama winger

I think you do.

I think you don't have one. But please feel free to spell it out, if you do.

Otherwise, well. So be it.

137 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:40:16pm

As the old thread from 2006 continued, Cognito said:

I work at a fairly high level, where there aren't really comparable conservative outlets.

But even more to the point, I don't think holing myself up in a conservative corner is going to change the industry. I think change has to come from within.

Which brings me back to my original question, which I have now posed three times:

How's that progressing?

138 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:40:22pm

re: #134 Ma Sands

Never happen. From the way he squirms, twists and in general contorts himself, he is a member of the msm and has sold his soul to the highest bidder.

139 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:40:37pm

re: #137 mama winger

As the old thread from 2006 continued, Cognito said:


Which brings me back to my original question, which I have now posed three times:

How's that progressing?

Delightfully, thanks.

140 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:41:25pm

re: #135 Cognito

No one is asking you to post personal information here. What IS being asked is this:

How's that progressing?

(4)

141 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:41:46pm

re: #140 mama winger

No one is asking you to post personal information here. What IS being asked is this:

How's that progressing?

(4)

Delightfully, thanks. (2)

142 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:42:44pm

re: #139 Cognito

Zombie works undercover too. But at least we see some reports on a fairly consistent basis. How about you post some of the work you've been doing so we can see for ourselves your delightful results?

143 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:43:03pm

What a goober I was, in those early posts. Painful to read.

Thank goodness I'm now universally loved by all. ;)

144 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:44:21pm

re: #142 mama winger

Zombie works undercover too. But at least we see some reports on a fairly consistent basis. How about you post some of the work you've been doing so we can see for ourselves your delightful results?

Ah. The old personal information.

Why don't we all post our places of employment?

145 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:44:38pm

re: #135 Cognito

And who, if you don't mind, do you think you are, to question my "sense of shame"?

No one has ever ever said a bad word about Ma Sands here on this blog. A finer, kinder, sweeter, more charitable person you would never find. I don't like your tone with her.

146 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:45:21pm

re: #144 Cognito

No one is asking you to post personal information. You are hiding behind a false premise, and I see you.

147 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:46:02pm
148 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:46:22pm

re: #145 mama winger

No one has ever ever said a bad word about Ma Sands here on this blog. A finer, kinder, sweeter, more charitable person you would never find. I don't like your tone with her.

I'm sorry you don't like my tone. And I've not said a bad word about Ma Sands, myself; but I won't let someone question my personal integrity without at least wondering how, exactly, they know so much about it.

149 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:46:35pm

re: #144 Cognito

Cactus Petes Resort Casino, Jackpot Nv.

For further info, Google Haven BBS, look for the 208 area code. Any more info would probably violate Charles rules and this is probably right on the edge.

put up or shut up already.

150 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:46:39pm

re: #47 taxfreekiller

Ward Cleaver

Did you see the deal of the High School girl in Paris Tx, or maybe Athens Tx, (I think one of them) who
under instructions from the Civics teacher brought a "class project" protest poster to school,

"Stop Illegal Immigration"

It said.

She was attacked by "Mexicans" aka La Raza students in the hall and
beat up. Next there appeared on myface pages her face with an "X" over it.

Her parents are demanding "hate crime" action on the La Raza ones,

who wants to bet the ACLU will side with the La Raza and claim
long term "Wright Like" victim hood, and say it was a hate crime to carry a poster with the work "illegal" on it, looks like the word "illegal"
will end up as a "hate word"..


spit, spit, spit.

turns out she faked the whole "attack".....

151 Ma Sands  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:46:53pm

re: #145 mama winger

Mama, I was glad to have essentially gotten the hair on the back of Cognito's neck to stand on end.....it's okay. :)

152 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:47:32pm

re: #146 mama winger

No one is asking you to post personal information. You are hiding behind a false premise, and I see you.

"I'm not asking for personal information!

Where do you work?

False premise!"

153 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:47:59pm

re: #149 Bubblehead II

Cactus Petes Resort Casino, Jackpot Nv.

For further info, Google Haven BBS, look for the 208 area code. Any more info would probably violate Charles rules and this is probably right on the edge.

put up or shut up already.

Congratulations!

154 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:48:31pm
155 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:49:33pm

I work for a veterinarian in Kenosha WI.

156 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:51:15pm

re: #154 ploome hineni

sometimes ad hominem is the only response

And sometimes oblique snippiness is the only response, apparently.

157 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:51:31pm
158 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:52:02pm

re: #155 mama winger

I work for a veterinarian in Kenosha WI.

I work for the media, internationally!

Boy this is nice.

159 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:52:12pm

re: #156 Cognito

And sometimes oblique snippiness is the only response, apparently.

I can be snippy right out in the open. You are a poopy head,

160 Dad O' Blondes  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:52:44pm

The Chairman of the Board has a message for the Flying Imams

[Link: www.animatronics.org...]

.

161 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:52:48pm

re: #159 mama winger

I can be snippy right out in the open. You are a poopy head,

So far so good...

162 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:54:14pm

re: #153 Cognito

Did you give lessons to BHO's campain? You are still avoiding Mama Winger's question. What changes (if any) have you made from the inside?

Let me guess, telling us that information will ruin your life.


[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

163 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:54:53pm

and a scurrilous foof.

164 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:55:18pm

re: #162 Bubblehead II

Did you give lessons to BHO's campain? You are still avoiding Mama Winger's question. What changes (if any) have you made from the inside?

Let me guess, telling us that information will ruin your life.


[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Aren't you a cute one, "Bubblehead"?

I believe I've answered Mama Winger's question twice, actually.

165 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 2:55:33pm

re: #163 mama winger

and a scurrilous foof.

Foof! I love it

166 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:02:48pm

re: #164 Cognito

No, you haven't answered the question with specifics, you have just jumped around it. Also, for your edification, the term "Bubblehead" is meant as an insult to Submariners. We just took it and made it into something we can laugh about. Now either answer the question with specific actions taken or STFU already.

167 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:04:38pm

re: #166 Bubblehead II

No, you haven't answered the question with specifics, you have just jumped around it. Also, for your edification, the term "Bubblehead" is meant as an insult to Submariners. We just took it and made it into something we can laugh about. Now either answer the question with specific actions taken or STFU already.

How rich.

Apparently you've mistaken the comments section of a blog for some imaginary place where I owe you something.

Later!

168 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:07:13pm

re: #167 Cognito

Run away little troll, run away.

169 Cognito  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:09:45pm

re: #168 Bubblehead II

Run away little troll, run away.

Ah, the big bloggy insult.

My favorite poem from Stephen Crane:

"Think as I think," said a man,
"Or you are abominably wicked;
You are a toad."
And after I had thought of it,
I said, "I will, then, be a toad."

170 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:18:02pm

re: #169 Cognito

Well if the shoe fits. Since you refuse to answer a straight foward question with specifics, one can only assume that you (a) haven't done anything or (b) you can't do anything because you are not what you claim to be. Which is it?

171 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:23:21pm

re: #170 Bubblehead II

Well if the shoe fits. Since you refuse to answer a straight foward question with specifics, one can only assume that you (a) haven't done anything or (b) you can't do anything because you are not what you claim to be. Which is it?

Great question.

As I see it, there's a difference between working behind the scenes within the system, and merely hiding.

172 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:26:41pm

re: #171 mama winger

So true. I really should refrain from feeding him though. I still want to know who in the hell summoned him. (Reaching for Mandy's skillet)

173 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:29:36pm

re: #171 mama winger

Methinks there could be a problem with a certain poster's true conviction and principles.

174 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:31:57pm

re: #173 rightymouse

Methinks there could be a problem with a certain poster's true conviction and principles.

Exactly. The same reason Obama doesn't denounce his pastor's statements. Because he see nothing wrong with them.

175 Perf  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:32:47pm

Reminds me of the letter to Dear Abby:


Dear Abby,

I suspected my husband of fooling around. When I confronted him with the evidence, he denied everything and promised it would never happen again.

176 Ma Sands  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:32:48pm

re: #171 mama winger

I sent you by e-mail a word-search on the apt title you bestowed! :)

177 mama winger  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:35:07pm

re: #176 Ma Sands

I sent you by e-mail a word-search on the apt title you bestowed! :)

Trotting over there.

:)

178 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:36:28pm

re: #174 mama winger

Exactly. The same reason Obama doesn't denounce his pastor's statements. Because he see nothing wrong with them.

True 'dat.

When I see this person's posts, most of the time one word comes to mind - "superciliousness".

179 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:37:39pm

re: #173 rightymouse

"Methinks there could be a problem with a certain poster's true conviction and principles."

Could be a problem? It's a shill for the msm. Nothing more, nothing less.

180 Lance o Lot  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:42:59pm

For some strange reason, I have a feeling that there will soon be another widow in Iraq.

181 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:43:44pm

re: #180 Lance o Lot

Who did we wack?

182 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:45:48pm

re: #179 Bubblehead II

"Methinks there could be a problem with a certain poster's true conviction and principles."

Could be a problem? It's a shill for the msm. Nothing more, nothing less.


Sure sounds like it. And I'd also posit that it's someone without influence except that what is conjured up in its own mind.

183 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:49:56pm

re: #182 rightymouse

Heh. A legend in it's own mind. How apt.

184 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 3:54:49pm

re: #183 Bubblehead II

Heh. A legend in it's own mind. How apt.

Indeed. Heh.

185 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 9, 2008 4:06:14pm

And so a thread dies. See some of ya on the early morning DT

L8R

186 Cognito  Thu, Apr 10, 2008 3:26:46pm

re: #170 Bubblehead II

Since you refuse to answer a straight foward question with specifics, one can only assume that you (a) haven't done anything or (b) you can't do anything because you are not what you claim to be. Which is it?

One can always assume, Bubblehead. Have at it.


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