Sure. They're our good friends.

Just don't let them near a flying school.

What could the Saudis have over this administration such that they would allow this?

I'll take my parnoid cap off now.

America Needs A Lot More Saudi Students

No we don't. And we don't need their filthy terrorist-sponsoring money either.

Saudis Out of Academia !

Sure. That's EXACTLY what we need. More Saudis! How bad could it be?

NEVER FORGET - SEPTEMBER 11, 2001.

Idiotic!

/yes and all the colleges should conduct themselves as uci

How many of these visas are for flight school?

I thought King Abdullah's hand was removed from Bush's rear end at his last colonoscopy.

I guess not . . . .

re: #3 eric

A weapon that arguably is stronger than most conventional weapons: the oil weapon.

univesity of islamofacsism

What will "On Wisconsin" sound like when ululated?

In order to facilitate increased mutual visits, Fraker said he is working to simplify the issue of visas to Saudi businessmen.

No Jews allowed.

re: #13 Killgore Trout

No Jews allowed.

How quickly will we be able to change this country to suit them?

Yeah, we're trying to inculcate these 'foreigners' with our Western values so that they'll go back & do the slow & bloodless revolution at home. (doubtful reason)

Or is it that we don't have enough of their culture shoved in our faces? (probable intent by state)

I suppose they can come here as a gesture of our goodwill, but that's all it should be. If a Wahhabiist, msynogistic, and totalitarian culture was the best one, the founders would've picked it already.

re: #10 mitthrawnurdo

We've got more than enough oil in Alaska, of the coast of Florida-Gulf of Mexico, and now even more in North Dakota.

Fuck the greens! We have oil under our soil. Let's use it and quit sending money to the ME and tHugo CHavez.

Like many posters here, I ask "Why?".

I thought that all these "Saudi students" only wanted to study the Koran. Philosophy, science, mathematics, ect...pff! Only infidels study that stuff.

/save for when needing to study the infidel's technology to further the jihad!

Like all Libs, Bush has become convinced that by coming to America, these creeps will become more tolerant. He has no idea how brainwashed they are. This is like putting the thugs in the AP classes hoping they will get smart. Ain't going to happen. instead the class gets dumber. Why doesn't Bush push the Catholic Church button for all the Catholics that live in Saudi Arabia.

I swear the U.S and all other Western Countries have a death wish. Trying to bring a 7th century nomadic culture with a backward religious death cult following into the 21st century cannot be done overnight, if at all.

re: #16 BulgarWheat

Good idea, but there's several big obstacles: enviro-Nazis and "watermelons" (people that are green on the outside, but red on the inside).

I especially like the students who come here to go to school - and then disappear.

that's neat.

Does that mean Saudi universities will now accept more Western Students ?

I want to study Christian Divinity . That should be no problem , right ?

It's a plot; bring in those uptight Saudi boys and....

Let 'em get a good look a co-ed with blond hair shorts and tee shirt.

/

What is really MORE NEEDED is an "American University of Mecca," or a "Yeshiva University of Medina," 'til then, let them major in Islamic Studies at home.

-S-

re: #20 mitthrawnurdo

watermelons. I've heard that term used way too infrequently. Time to break it out and use it in every conversation. Good point.

The farging watermelons are holding our country hostage!

Would make a snappy tee-shirt of bumper sticker!

re: #17 mitthrawnurdo

Like many posters here, I ask "Why?".

I thought that all these "Saudi students" only wanted to study the Koran. Philosophy, science, mathematics, ect...pff! Only infidels study that stuff.

Well, not really. They do want to study in "real" fields and get a proper western style education. The problem is that they start to feel guilty about rejecting a true Islamic lifestyle. See: the Hamburg Cell which was the kernel for the 9-11 hijackers were all college students. Also see: the Glasgow Jihadis, they were highly educated and working for the NHS in the UK. The Western educated Muslim students are highly prone to radicalization.

The Bush Administration is a wholly owned subsidiary of Saudi Arabia.

If you look at the Administration actions through that prism, it all makes sense.

They are infiltrating us. And we are encouraging it.

When did we get so stupid ?!?

Is there a sub-visa for accompanying slaves?

re: #23 jcm

jcm, no, let's not do that. I'm raising a blond haired teenage daughter. That misogynistic cult will never lay a finger on my mini-wheat.

After attempting to surrender to Mexico, Bush is now laying the groundwork to surrender to Saudi Arabia.

BTW, some of these 'students' are in their late 30s, early 40s.

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Well, not really. They do want to study in "real" fields and get a proper western style education. The problem is that they start to feel guilty about rejecting a true Islamic lifestyle. See: the Hamburg Cell which was the kernel for the 9-11 hijackers were all college students. Also see: the Glasgow Jihadis, they were highly educated and working for the NHS in the UK. The Western educated Muslim students are highly prone to radicalization.

Not forgetting Qtub was highly offended by western morals and standards while studying here. He can credited with a lot of the modern islamist movement.

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Good point.

Islamic guilt mixed with higher education..not a good combination.

15,000 additional divided by 19 is:

789.5 potential teams.

times 4 (airliners)

equals

3,157.

Just saying.

I saw it in Spokane and my wife saw it in Oshkosh:

Let's bring in a lot more Saudis to our small American campuses so they can treat our women like shit and bitch about how we live like pigs. Gee, what a brilliant idea!

Kind of on topic -

The Messenger, by Dan Silva

Great fiction that is not so fictional. Saudis again attempt to destroy Western Civilization. A Jew decides he will not let them. Recommended.

his country aims to double the number of student visas issued to Saudis

By allowing one woman for each man already here?

I thought not.

re: #30 BulgarWheat

jcm, no, let's not do that. I'm raising a blond haired teenage daughter. That misogynistic cult will never lay a finger on my mini-wheat.

LOL! Think of it as mission. Using her potent hair rays on them!

Know what you mean. In our 10 years in Iran, and my families even longer association with ME missions I can only point to ONE marriage between a male from the ME and an American female that worked.

In that one he had a genuine conversion to Christianity, and came here to marry and live with his American wife.

Fraker said Saudi Arabia should bolster its English-language programs because it is generally required for Saudis seeking to pursue higher studies in the US.

How high? What's the altitude of flying jet planes into buildings?

re: #5 REDSTATE

Sure. That's EXACTLY what we need. More Saudis! How bad could it be?

NEVER FORGET - SEPTEMBER 11, 2001.

I'll never forget - 15 of my neighbors died that day and we were downwind of the smoke for 3 days.

Yikes...

Is this present administration thinking that they could influence the next generation Saudis by having them come over here and be exposed to our culture? I don't think it works that way unless they change their religion.

re: #33 jcm

Not forgetting Qtub was highly offended by western morals and standards while studying here. He can credited with a lot of the modern islamist movement.

The really amazing part of that is that he was studying in Greeley, CO in the 1950s, which was pretty much like Mayberry.

I wonder how long he would have lasted at, say, UC Berkely in 2008, before Sudden Jihadi Syndrome would have set in?

10, 15 minutes, maybe?

Imagine you're a Saudi sheik watching the inauguration of a new President on Jan 20th, 2001.

You have a checklist of what you hope will occur during the new Administration.

Get rid of mortal enemy Saddam- check
Oil prices through the roof- check
Islam more influential, feared and appeased- check
Israel less and less secure- check
Whabbism spread unhindered- check
More of our sleeper agent in the US-check

Arab control of American ports- so close, damn those Conservatives.

re: #39 jcm

jcm, understood. Heck, I've got a truck and I know where the lime pits are. I just don't think she needs to be exposed to the poisonous crap. I am a Dad after all, and I take my job real seriously.

I am the "Scary Dad" according to her classmates. That suits me just fine.

Just what I needed to hear. I want the government to build me a bridge so I can jump off it.

JWM

Saudi students don't need any additional US University-level instruction in how to despise America.

I wouldnt worry about it, I am certain the application has a question on like something to the effect of,

Are you a terrorist or do you wish harm upon the USA or its people while you are here?
Yes (_)
No (x)

So we are all safe.

/

re: #43 lobo91

The really amazing part of that is that he was studying in Greeley, CO in the 1950s, which was pretty much like Mayberry.

I wonder how long he would have lasted at, say, UC Berkely in 2008, before Sudden Jihadi Syndrome would have set in?

10, 15 minutes, maybe?

Women shaking their bodies dancing in the 50's.... wonder what freak dancing would do to him?

Fraker also stressed the need for popularizing English teaching programs because it would overcome the language barriers for Saudi students seeking to study in the US easier.

Maybe we should increase English teaching programs in this country. Maybe we should start working on educating our own population before we worry about the education levels of rock worshipers.

re: #47 jaunte

Saudi students don't need any additional US University-level instruction in how to despise America.

You're right. Instead of them all coming here, we can send Michele Obama to teach them there.

re: #45 BulgarWheat

jcm, understood. Heck, I've got a truck and I know where the lime pits are. I just don't think she needs to be exposed to the poisonous crap. I am a Dad after all, and I take my job real seriously.

I am the "Scary Dad" according to her classmates. That suits me just fine.

I'll be calling you for scary dad lessons, mines 18 months and tossing all the pots and pans on the floor is her main concern right now.

re: #49 jcm

Women shaking their bodies dancing in the 50's.... wonder what freak dancing would do to him?

Just think how he would've reacted to one of Berkeley's frequent "Gay Pride" type events.

Or that San Francisco street fair thing Zombie covered recently.

Let a thousand Sayyid Qutb's bloom.

/

re: #14 debutaunt

How quickly will we be able to change this country to suit them?

This is what worries me about "Sharia finance". We might find that Arab-owned companies, or those with significant Sharia investment, refuse to hire Jews, or cause other problems for them. And then threaten to pull out their money if the US enforces antidiscrimination laws.
They could make it miserable enough for Jews anyway, without doing anything too overt. Say require everyone to work one Saturday a month, in return for a Friday off. No exceptions for religious reasons, but the reason is to give better service on Saturdays.

Sorry to go OT so early.

ILLINOIS 2nd Amendment Supporters --MUST READ.

San Francisco is coming to Naperville

re: #50 Sharmuta

Maybe we should increase English teaching programs in this country. Maybe we should start working on educating our own population before we worry about the education levels of rock worshipers.

Do you live in a small town in PA?

re: #16 BulgarWheat

We've got more than enough oil in Alaska, of the coast of Florida-Gulf of Mexico, and now even more in North Dakota.

Fuck the greens! We have oil under our soil. Let's use it and quit sending money to the ME and tHugo CHavez.

Agreed! They also found a bunch in the Gulf and in the Sierra's.

One of our biggest foes in becoming energy independant is the enviro-nazi's and Congress. Bio-fuels are also a joke - look what's it's done to world food prices. There are food riots going on for goodness sakes!

re: #52 jcm

Just be a Dad. It ain't a popularity contest. I've over-reacted on certain occasions, under certain circumstances. Hell, I guess I scare a lot of the parents as much as I do their kids.

Just be a "Typical White Guy". I am the new Boogie-Man! Wooooooo!

I don't know why they'd need an American education anyways- I thought all knowledge was contained in the koran. What a bunch of f*cking hypocrites.

Sayyid Qutb's Milestone online, a must read.

re: #58 vapig

BURNING FOOD IS FUCKING STUPID!

Wonder how many people the greenies are going to kill today.

Then again, that may be their goal! Holy shit, batman!

Why in the hell can't our this country restrict what they study why they are here? If they want to learn how to make their desert bloom when they run out of oil, that is one thing. But nuclear engineering? Are we insane?

re: #45 BulgarWheat

jcm, understood. Heck, I've got a truck and I know where the lime pits are. I just don't think she needs to be exposed to the poisonous crap. I am a Dad after all, and I take my job real seriously.

I am the "Scary Dad" according to her classmates. That suits me just fine.

Scary, eh? Good on you! Sounds like you're doing your job!

US Ambassador Ford Fraker said in Sakaka that his country aims to double the number of student visas issued to Saudis.

Frakking liberal idiot douchebag traitor dhimmi.

/BBL, after brain cools off.

re: #56 ggt

Sorry to go OT so early.

ILLINOIS 2nd Amendment Supporters --MUST READ.

San Francisco is coming to Naperville

IL doesn't have much 2^nd amend left to begin with.

re: #48 DownRightMeanAmerican

I wouldnt worry about it, I am certain the application has a question on like something to the effect of,

Are you a terrorist or do you wish harm upon the USA or its people while you are here?
Yes (_)
No (x)

So we are all safe.

/

LOL ! Of course we wouldn't even ask that much!It would be "profiling," you know!
In all seriousness, we should not allow any Salafist or Wahabbi into this country unless they are part of a diplomatic mission. In a saner era, we had a policy excluding members of the Communist Party.
Multi-culturalism will not allow us to do this. I'm being intolerant, I guess.

"Liberalism is a death wish." ---Malcolm Muggeridge

re: #62 BulgarWheat

BURNING FOOD IS FUCKING STUPID!

Wonder how many people the greenies are going to kill today.

Then again, that may be their goal! Holy shit, batman!

Right! Depopulate the planet to save the planet!

re: #60 Sharmuta

I think the missing ingredient is the 'work is worship' aspect of a work ethic. If they don't have that, the University experience won't install it. there is little evidence in Saudi Arabia that it exists in their culture. (Non-jihad-oriented) work is for low-paid or slave labor.

re: #64 vapig

guess they understand that I'm just a bible thumpin', beer drinking, gun owning TYPICAL WHITE GUY.

But hey, it's okay. Barry's going to take care of that for us, eh?

re: #62 BulgarWheat

That is the ultimate goal for the enviro-Nazis, I think.

They view humanity as a disease, a virus, upon Mother Gaia. If tomorrow, 90% of humanity was purged from the Earth by disease or fire, they (the greens that had survived) would sing to the heavens and look adoringly at the Earth without the sea of humanity.

An Earth purged of humanity is the green's version of Heaven.

re: #68 vapig

Right! Depopulate the planet to save the planet!

Bingo! You nailed it.

They want to learn english to understand our laws..to use against us.

re: #70 BulgarWheat

guess they understand that I'm just a bible thumpin', beer drinking, gun owning TYPICAL WHITE GUY.

But hey, it's okay. Barry's going to take care of that for us, eh?

Reeducation camp.
/f**k obama

re: #71 mitthrawnurdo

The greens need my size 11 boot upside their collective butts!

re: #58 vapig

Bio-fuels are also a joke - look what's it's done to world food prices. There are food riots going on for goodness sakes!

Yup, we burn food for energy because the price of oil coming out of the mid-East is too high. The Chinese put pressure on oil prices by buying up oil to make worthless crap made out of the petroleum to sell at bargain basement prices all over the world.
I, for one, don't care if the rest of the world knows that we burn food for energy because the price of oil is so high. I think that fact needs to be advertised.

re: #68 vapig

Right! Depopulate the planet to save the planet!

They put the value of animal life over that of humans, so I think that is what they want.

Radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr said Saturday he will not enter any political process that would allow US forces to remain in Iraq.

Al-Sadr also denounced US Defense Secretary Robert Gates as a terrorist and said he would never work with Iraq's occupiers.

Must have got his ammo shipment from Iran. [Link: www.jpost.com...]

re: #79 storagemanager

Must have got his ammo shipment from Iran. [Link: www.jpost.com...]

We should be giving that asshole a lot of US rounds, spent of course.

re: #66 jcm

That's only in The People's Republic of Chicago--for the most part. The rest of the state is solid behind the 2nd Amendment. One Gun a Month just failed at the State House.

This protest infestation is a stupid ploy to gain support for the Big Dick's tyrannical plans. The Naperville Housewives are total safety/soccer moms -- he is trying to get their husband's money.

re: #78 song_and_dance_man

I know this is a true story but that reads like something from The Onion

I also note that his said that they "aim" to do this over five years, long after President Bush has left office. Let's ask Hillary and Obama (and McCain, for that matter) what they think if this.

What the hell?...

Eight people were killed in a blast that took place in a mosque in southern Iran, Iranian press reported. (Reuters)

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

re: #79 storagemanager

Must have got his ammo shipment from Iran. [Link: www.jpost.com...]

Can we give him a gift wrapped JDAM or Hellfire?

re: #79 storagemanager

Must have got his ammo shipment from Iran.

What did he just lose, a brother in law on Friday? Doesn't sound very conciliatory to me, or am I missing something?

re: #76 ec marm

Yup, we burn food for energy because the price of oil coming out of the mid-East is too high. The Chinese put pressure on oil prices by buying up oil to make worthless crap made out of the petroleum to sell at bargain basement prices all over the world.
I, for one, don't care if the rest of the world knows that we burn food for energy because the price of oil is so high. I think that fact needs to be advertised.

I actually see the logic to your statement.

However - I'd just like to find a way to shut up the enviro-wackos so we could actually tap into our own resources. Also - bio-fuel is very expensive - oil and coal is cheap. I'd also do away with all the gov't regulation on the difference gas mixtures so that gas from one state could be sent to another that needs it.

re: #45 BulgarWheat

jcm, understood. Heck, I've got a truck and I know where the lime pits are. I just don't think she needs to be exposed to the poisonous crap. I am a Dad after all, and I take my job real seriously.

I am the "Scary Dad" according to her classmates. That suits me just fine.

Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.

Another Peacenik Moron

An Italian woman artist who was hitch-hiking to the Middle East dressed as a bride to promote world peace has been found murdered in Turkey.

The naked body of Giuseppina Pasqualino di Marineo, 33, known as Pippa Bacca, was found in bushes near the city of Gebze on Friday.

A woman alone, dressed as a bride, found dead in Gezbe, Turkey. Who'd a thought?

One of her sisters seems to have a bit more brains.

"Her travels were for an artistic performance and to give a message of peace and of trust, but not everyone deserves trust," another sister, Maria, told the Italian news agency, Ansa.

(emp. mine)

But at least she gave Peace a Chance.......

re: #76 ec marm

I'm not sure it's actually biofuels that are the problem. I think the corn lobby is the problem. From my little understanding of the issue, admittedly, ethanol/methanol doesn't have to be so expensive. They can use farm waste --not food grade raw materials and we could lower or remove the tariff from South American Ethanol.

Of course, the corn lobby doesn't want us to know that.

(IsraelNN.com) An Italian artist who planned to hitchhike from Italy to Israel in a white wedding dress in order to bring a message of peace to the Middle East was raped and murdered in Turkey two weeks ago, police announced Saturday. Her body was found over the weekend two weeks after she went missing near the town of Gebze.

The artist has been identified as 33-year-old Giuseppina Pasqualino di Marineo, also known of Pippa Bacca. Police arrested a local 38-year-old man who admitted to the murder.

“She was very sure of herself. To our great sorrow, she met the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time,” her fiancé told reporters. The Internet site that tracked the artist’s journey said Saturday, “Unfortunately, Pippa’s message of peace did not succeed in overcoming human evil.”

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Thats just what the US needs is more rockapes... and thats an insult to perfectly innocent apes. From my college days, I dont remember there being too may serious Fraudi students. Most of them spent their time drinking, going to the strip clubs and other questionable activities. I remember some of them getting busted for drunk driving etc. Not too many serious students. Then again, I question any university which has an agreement with the Fraudi goverment and oil companies. They built a few buildings on our campus and although I remember Fraudis being caught cheating, never coming to class, etc etc. I don't remember any of them failing nor repeating a course.
There are enough fine upstanding universities in the middle east. I fail to see why we need to allow them into the US. When's the last time the sons of the deserts have been seen enrolling at Tehran University, American University of Beirut, etc.?

re: #85 ec marm

What did he just lose, a brother in law on Friday? Doesn't sound very conciliatory to me, or am I missing something?

He blames American troops for that.

re: #57 pat

Do you live in a small town in PA?

i do and i believe this is gonna kill the obama vote most of my friends/aquaintances already have said they will vote hillary in the primaries then vote mcain in november

re: #77 Kosh's Shadow

I've never understood this --if the Planet cannot support us, the Planet will kill us --we don't need to it ourselves.

re: #86 vapig

Simple. We point out to them on a daily basis how many human beings they are killing. Call them on the carpet for it Pound it down their throats with the same energy they've been pounding nonsense like Gorebal Warming down our throats.

It's going to take some money, but hey. We've got money too.

Let's get it on!

re: #81 ggt

That's only in The People's Republic of Chicago--for the most part. The rest of the state is solid behind the 2nd Amendment. One Gun a Month just failed at the State House.

This protest infestation is a stupid ploy to gain support for the Big Dick's tyrannical plans. The Naperville Housewives are total safety/soccer moms -- he is trying to get their husband's money.

IL has no concealed carry, and is about 11th for crime (2004 FBI). WA has a shall issue concealed, permit shall be issued upon requested unless the applicant is not qualified. WA has 250,000 concealed permits issued or about 4% of the population. WA is the 4th lowest for crime.

re: #88 Quilly Mammoth

Silly moonbats. Darwinism at work.

re: #87 American Soldier

That is rotating Title/Bumper Sticker Material. I really like that.

It would look great on the back of my truck.

re: #56 ggt

Sorry to go OT so early.

ILLINOIS 2nd Amendment Supporters --MUST READ.

San Francisco is coming to Naperville

Dude-
Chicago.
Morton Grove.
Wilmette.
Others to numerous to keep track of.......
It's already happened. The U.S. Constitution does not exist in Cook County, and is barely recognized in the rest of Illinois. That is why I'm now a Hoosier.

re: #101 American Soldier

Dude-
Chicago.
Morton Grove.
Wilmette.
Others to numerous to keep track of.......
It's already happened. The U.S. Constitution does not exist in Cook County, and is barely recognized in the rest of Illinois. That is why I'm now a Hoosier.

No conceal / carry in Wisconsin either. I'm moving in with American Soldier.

re: #97 jcm

I agree, it is abysmal, but not hopeless. It is not the will of the people that produced these restrictions on our rights.

re: #89 ggt

I'm not sure it's actually biofuels that are the problem. I think the corn lobby is the problem. From my little understanding of the issue, admittedly, ethanol/methanol doesn't have to be so expensive. They can use farm waste --not food grade raw materials and we could lower or remove the tariff from South American Ethanol.

Of course, the corn lobby doesn't want us to know that.

I agree. There are options, better than corn, that generate three frickin' times the yield per acre. But someone needs to light a fire under someones butt to get it moving.

re: #102 mama winger

No conceal / carry in Wisconsin either. I'm moving in with American Soldier.

*rushing around, tidying and cleaning*
*kicking socks under the bed*

Well you can certainly understand the policy.Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi.
We need more & more>

re: #105 American Soldier

*rushing around, tidying and cleaning*
*kicking socks under the bed*

You wear socks?

wooops wrong thread

I posted a linky to gunmap.org a while ago. It shows, clearly, the state of the Constitution in Illinois.

Daley Handlers think they are going to get their shill in the White House and the whole country will look like Illinois.

re: #99 BulgarWheat

That is rotating Title/Bumper Sticker Material. I really like that.

It would look great on the back of my truck.

Wish I could say it's original. It was said to me by some real friends.

re: #107 mama winger

You wear socks?

A must with combat boots. Ask your boy.

I don't want to generalize,....Oh what the hell, I'm going to generalize.
Having taught off and on over the years at the college level, my observation is that Arab Muslim students are extremely segregationalist and almost unbearably elitist. (The same is not so true of Bosnians, or even Iranians, Turks,Indonesians, etc.)
I am not an ideological feminist and am the last person to whine about "discrimination." But the contempt these "kids" (mostly older, really) have for female instructors is unbelievable.
I have a proposition: We will invite Saudis to go to school here, provided that 50% of the students are female. If it's good enough to impose quotas domestically (Title IX, etc.), then why not on foreigners?

Shall issue states:
Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming

May issue:
California and New York, Iowa, New York, Connecticut, Maryland, Alabama.

No concealed carry:
Illinois and Wisconsin

No permit needed:
Alaska and Vermont

re: #112 American Soldier

A must with combat boots. Ask your boy.

True dat.

re: #103 ggt

I agree, it is abysmal, but not hopeless. It is not the will of the people that produced these restrictions on our rights.

The DC gun case ruling as an individual right will go along way.

re: #110 ggt

I posted a linky to gunmap.org a while ago. It shows, clearly, the state of the Constitution in Illinois.

Daley Handlers think they are going to get their shill in the White House and the whole country will look like Illinois.

Better than mine, I missed MT!

re: #104 ec marm

Did you read /hear about the book Energy Victory? I listened to the Glenn and Helen Show Podcast --author interview. He raises some interesting points --I don't agree with everything--as he is trying to sell everyone on on every issue surround this.

He proposes a market based solution instead of a government subsudized solution.

He seems to be strong on the science end of it --saying basically that a flex-fuel car can run on any mixture of alcohol based fuel and gasoline. That alcohol based fuel can be made from a wide variety of raw materials --not just food grade corn -as we've been lead to believe.

I haven't had time to research the questions I have adequately and always value Lizard input.

re: #92 storagemanager

He blames American troops for that.

Why don't you and I split the cost of a multi-million dollar insurance policy on Mookie?

re: #110 ggt

I posted a linky to gunmap.org a while ago. It shows, clearly, the state of the Constitution in Illinois.

Daley Handlers think they are going to get their shill in the White House and the whole country will look like Illinois.

Yes, that may well occur. Will cause a shitload of bloodshed.

re: #112 American Soldier

A must with combat boots. Ask your boy.

I learned two pair, the socks rub against each other, the sock against the skin doesn't move as much and prevents blisters.

re: #96 BulgarWheat

Simple. We point out to them on a daily basis how many human beings they are killing. Call them on the carpet for it Pound it down their throats with the same energy they've been pounding nonsense like Gorebal Warming down our throats.

It's going to take some money, but hey. We've got money too.

Let's get it on!

I'm with you, Buddy! You can count me in!

These asshats haven't a clue.
15,000 more Muslim Student Association members, oops, 12,000 (tip #21 Frog March) who'll want seperate footbaths, gyms, burkas, yada,yada.
When something like another 9/11 happens, they'll stand around with some clueless look on their faces wondering how in the hell it all happened, until some jackass Democrat tells them it's all because of Islamophobia in America.

BBL, I need Beer.

Everyone should use their government rebate check to purchase a gun.

Take the money and use it to protect yourself against the government.

re: #121 jcm

Alright, when I run away from home, I'll remember that..... :)

re: #123 mikeinmd

mikeinmd call for the SNDT, I second the motion!

re: #116 jcm

I hope so. I think the USA today poll shook some saddles as well. Hubby and I write our (cough) Congress Critters and after the poll, we got a stunningly pro-gun form reply from Durbin on one of our letters. A complete reversal from some his earlier form replies.

re: #124 mama winger

Everyone should use their government rebate check to purchase a gun.

Take the money and use it to protect yourself against the government.

Between my rebate and refund I'm going to buy...
an ASSAULT RIFLE with flash suppressor and everything!

re: #120 American Soldier

yes, scary as $hit!

re: #124 mama winger

Everyone should use their government rebate check to purchase a gun.

Take the money and use it to protect yourself against the government.

Bull's eye, Mama!

re: #83 storagemanager

What the hell?...

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Accident in the bomb making class?

re: #128 jcm

Between my rebate and refund I'm going to buy...
an ASSAULT RIFLE with flash suppressor and everything!

I'm thinking about this one

re: #132 savage_nation

hey

{savage nation}

re: #128 jcm

They are saying "buy ammo" with it. Lots and lots. Reminds me of Kim Du Toit. ;)

re: #131 NJDhockeyfan

Accident in the bomb making class?

Or some restless yuts removing a troublesome mad-mullah. Right now in Iran it can go both ways.

What the writers at Yahoo News really mean is Hooray!

re: #131 NJDhockeyfan

Wasn't there 16 killed in Iran just the other day, unexplained, too.....?

TO: mama winger
RE: I Disagree

" America Needs A Lot More Saudi Students

No we don't. And we don't need their filthy terrorist-sponsoring money either.

Saudis Out of Academia !" -- mama winger

And I don't say that for monetary reasons. I say it because it IS a technique to attack Islam at its root. Like we attacked Soviet Union at its root during the Cold War. As we're attacking the Communist Chinese today.

I think the Saudi religio-government detestable. But I see the opportunity of teaching young minds better ways and then sending them back to their homes to spread the good word.

The challenge is (1) to do a better job of screening the applicants and (2) to keep a close eye on what they're doing while they are here.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Education: Replacing an empty mind with an open one.]

re: #114 jcm

Shall issue states:
Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming

May issue:
California and New York, Iowa, New York, Connecticut, Maryland, Alabama.

No concealed carry:
Illinois and Wisconsin

No permit needed:
Alaska and Vermont

I'm not sure - but I think Virginia just became a "No permit needed" state. I remember people carrying guns out in the open (to celebrate) and it overturned several local restrictions (as in Alexandria) as being unconstitutional. Lot of lefties were real ticked off. It was a pretty good day!

Bomb exploded in a mosque in Iran, per FNC.
Repeat, Iran.

I guess maybe the thinking is, if they come here they'll see first-hand the benefits and good things about the west for themselves instead of having to rely only what they hear, and that could engender a favorable opinion about the US? That may be wishful thinking, but it could be at least the logic behind it.

re: #121 jcm

I learned two pair, the socks rub against each other, the sock against the skin doesn't move as much and prevents blisters.

Nah. One well-fitting, moisture-wicking pair with snug, good boots. The idea is to minimize heat from friction and skin maceration from excessive moisture. I found some killer "40 Below" socks for winter use, and some pricey summer ones as well. A recent iteration of issue bootsocks was moisture-wicking, cushioned, AND anti-bacterial. Unfortunately, I can kill a set of issue clothing in a couple of months of heavy use. Every time I walk into a PX, I buy more socks and a watch cap (Grissom BX never has large socks in stock- go figure).

re: #133 mama winger

I'm thinking about this one

Not this one?

My current drool.

re: #88 Quilly Mammoth

Hitchiking alone as a non-Turkish woman in a bridesdress across Turkey... smart move. (Not!) Th%u0131s country keeps getting more and more islamified. I have enough problems with the mentality here as it is. Turkish men hear me speaking with my wife and assume she's a foreigner and therefore a candidate for whatever they want. This mentality mainly comes from the East and tends to be encouraged by some of the crazy things the European tourists do here when they come here on vacation. Where I teach now, I have some beardie-weirdie [bigoted word] students in my class. I'm glad that they're in the minority. On one hand they say taht women should have the right to wear headscarves (yet said that women in Saudi and Malaysia who are FORCED to wear them should move elsewhere!) yet froth at the mouth when they talk about Russian and European girls. Non [bigoted word] women are just playthings for them. What this peacenik expected.. Ill never understand. I would never hitchhike alone (as a male) anywhere!
This country is getting more and more islamified. The AKP party is trying to clamp down and most of the educated people who I know really hope that they will be made illegal and that the army will take over.
Just off topic a bit they're trying to shut down Istanbul's last pork butcher!

Istanbul's Last Pork Butcher Fights Islamist Crackdown on Swine

re: #141 vapig

I'm not sure - but I think Virginia just became a "No permit needed" state. I remember people carrying guns out in the open (to celebrate) and it overturned several local restrictions (as in Alexandria) as being unconstitutional. Lot of lefties were real ticked off. It was a pretty good day!

Cool, open carry would have a real downer effect on crime!

re: #133 mama winger

I'm thinking about this one

You rock, mama.

re: #141 vapig

You talking about this in 2004?

re: #127 ggt

I hope so. I think the USA today poll shook some saddles as well. Hubby and I write our (cough) Congress Critters and after the poll, we got a stunningly pro-gun form reply from Durbin on one of our letters. A complete reversal from some his earlier form replies.

That could NOT have come from Durbin's office. Must've been a mix-up in the mailroom.

re: #139 Ma Sands

Wasn't there 16 killed in Iran just the other day, unexplained, too.....?

No, it was 20!:

Jerusalem Post said yesterday: At least 20 Hizbullah fighters have been killed during military training in Iran, the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Watan reported Thursday evening, quoting the Director General of the Islamic Union in Lebanon, Muhammad Ali Husseini. The Lebanese official did not say exactly how the fighters were killed...

re: #133 mama winger

I'm thinking about this one

Looks heavy. That's not a bad idea about what to purchase with the rebate.

I wonder if the lizard army would hit the libs radar screen if we did just that.

News Flash: Gun Sales UP! Lawmakers see disturbing link between rebate checks and gun sales.

re: #145 jcm

Not this one?

My current drool.

That first one looks nice. The second one I think is too big for me. But I can see how it would make a nice conversation piece at typical white people bible studies.

re: #138 Shug

What the writers at Yahoo News really mean is Hooray!

Sadrist officials told The Associated Press they had received orders from their headquarters in Najaf to avoid confrontations with Iraqi and U.S. forces unless the Americans try to move deep into Sadr City, which has been under siege for two weeks.
The officials said the Sadrist leadership was concerned that the ongoing clashes were turning into a war of attrition that was weakening the movement and undermining support within its Shiite power base.

Sounds like we should be moving deeper into Sadr City.

re: #110 ggt
I posted a linky to gunmap.org a while ago. It shows, clearly, the state of the Constitution in Illinois.
Daley Handlers think they are going to get their shill in the White House and the whole country will look like Illinois.

re: #120 American Soldier
Yes, that may well occur. Will cause a shitload of bloodshed.

Some of us are willing to fight the gun grabbers if it comes down to a showdown.

re: #140 Chuck Pelto

TO: mama winger
RE: I Disagree

" America Needs A Lot More Saudi Students

No we don't. And we don't need their filthy terrorist-sponsoring money either.

Saudis Out of Academia !" -- mama winger

And I don't say that for monetary reasons. I say it because it IS a technique to attack Islam at its root. Like we attacked Soviet Union at its root during the Cold War. As we're attacking the Communist Chinese today.

I think the Saudi religio-government detestable. But I see the opportunity of teaching young minds better ways and then sending them back to their homes to spread the good word.
The challenge is (1) to do a better job of screening the applicants and (2) to keep a close eye on what they're doing while they are here.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Education: Replacing an empty mind with an open one.]

They are very well screened before they apply to come here. Screened by the Saudi government. Did you think just any Saudi who wants an education can do it?
They do not, as a rule, integrate with the rest of the university community....only with other Arabs.....or as recruiters of other Muslims that they seek to radicalize.
It is not a coincidence that many of the terrorists plotting against the West have been educated in the West.

re: #141 vapig

I'm not sure - but I think Virginia just became a "No permit needed" state. I remember people carrying guns out in the open (to celebrate) and it overturned several local restrictions (as in Alexandria) as being unconstitutional.

Actually, those are 3 separate issues.

Virginia is a shall-issue concealed carry permit state.

It is also one of the few that allow open carry for anyone, no permit required.

Finally, the state recently passed a law prohibiting cities and counties from passing their own restrictions on firearms ownership/carry.

re: #142 ec marm

Bomb exploded in a mosque in Iran, per FNC.
Repeat, Iran.

I heard a song about that.

Admission Criterion #1: The student shall never have attended a Saudi madrassa. Only transcripts from elementary and secondary schools listed in Appendix A are acceptable.

re: #147 jcm

I get a little upset when --TRAINING isn't included in the MSM reports. The ignorant think everyone will go out and just buy a gun. Those who really want to carry, educate themselves, train and train and train.

That committment transforms the individual into a person that can carry. I've watched it happen and it is amazing. I think a lot of people grow-up when they decide to do what it takes to own a gun -legally.

America needs more Saudi students like it needs a hole in another of its big cities.

re: #150 American Soldier

Hubby and I were totally freaked. We figured it was election year bullshit, then rememembered the poll. Obama turned on the same dime.

These guys live by public opinion --as they have none of their own.

TO: All
RE: And....

"That first one looks nice. The second one I think is too big for me." -- mama winger

....we wonder why women have no 'depth' perception?

Madam,

The latter is considerably (1) smaller and (2) lighter than the former.

RE: Bible Study?!?!?!

"But I can see how it would make a nice conversation piece at typical white people bible studies." -- mama winger

Just WHICH 'demonization' do you belong to, anyway?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[When I go to Bible study, I don't bring along any weapon, other than the [s]Word.]

re: #149 ggt

You talking about this in 2004?

Although legal, it is disconcerting to some people.

"This just shows you the extreme nature of what they're trying to do," said Bob Ricker, head of Virginians for Public Safety. "You don't want to go to Starbucks or Reston Town Center and see somebody with a firearm strapped on," he added, referring to two locations where armed patrons were found. "It's just something that I think is completely unreasonable. We all understand the concept of self-defense. . . . But when you're talking about Fairfax County, you have to look at what is reasonable."

I find someone with a Che shirt and a Mao bag more disconcerting!

Fascinating, the sight of a gun disconcerting. Not he behavior or action of the person with the gun, merely the sight of one.

Can I just say how proud I am to live in a country that sends men and women over to Iraq to help those people defend themselves against jackals? When I hear about Mookie shouting retreat, and our strong fighting men standing at the ramparts and watching them run, I feel nothing but pride and admiration. We are the best.

re: #153 mama winger

That first one looks nice. The second one I think is too big for me. But I can see how it would make a nice conversation piece at typical white people bible studies.

ROFL!

At Jamestown the settlers brought their guns to church services, it was required that all men have a working firearm.

TO: wolfie
RE: Screened

"They are very well screened before they apply to come here. Screened by the Saudi government." -- wolfie

So....where did US screen them? I mean the perps of 9/11. And didn't we learn better?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Wise men learn from other peoples' mistakes. Regular folk learn from their own. Fools never learn.]

re: #167 Chuck Pelto

screened

"Trust, but verify."

re: #163 Chuck Pelto

Uh - my attempt at humor, Chuck. I'm really not buying an assault weapon at all. I have my eye on a revolver next. :)

As for the Bible study reference, I was again making a funny in regards to Obama's quote about how bitter people cling to religion and their guns.

re: #164 jcm

Yeah, the signt of a gun in a public place. Immediately separates the wussies from the strong.

When do I get to open an Evangelical Church in Mecca? I am sure that can't be far behind.

re: #166 jcm

ROFL!

At Jamestown the settlers brought their guns to church services, it was required that all men have a working firearm.

Little Winger says his men always bring their guns to chapel. :)

TO: Cathy in Northern Virginia
RE: Are US Learning Yet?

America needs more Saudi students like it needs a hole in another of its big cities." -- Cathy in Northern Virginia

Now THERE'S an interesting approach to education.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Some people won't learn until they are personally hurt.]

re: #172 mama winger

Ya, know, I love Little Winger!

and you too mama.

re: #167 Chuck Pelto

And didn't we learn better?

I don't believe we did. We are actively seeking to increase our exposure to them, by doubling school admissions. The label of 'student' comes in very handy.

re: #152 vapig

Looks heavy. That's not a bad idea about what to purchase with the rebate.

I wonder if the lizard army would hit the libs radar screen if we did just that.

News Flash: Gun Sales UP! Lawmakers see disturbing link between rebate checks and gun sales.

AK variants are surprisingly light and handy. Also fun for plinking.

re: #174 ggt

Aw ... thanks :) Right back atcha !

re: #175 mama winger

And yet, the directive, the comfort, the Way, does not change: "Fear not."

This just shows you the extreme nature of what they're trying to do," said Bob Ricker, head of Virginians for Public Safety. "You don't want to go to Starbucks or Reston Town Center and see somebody with a firearm strapped on,"

WHy oh why do people have this anti gun mentality. It's like I've told soem of my colleagues here who whined about seeing the police at the airport and trainstations etc. walking around with automat%u0131c weapons.. Its not the people with the guns that you can see that you have to be afraid of.. It's those the ones with the ones you can't see.

So the more Saudi students in this country --does that actually give us some leverage in a sick sort of way? While they are here, we could intern them or threaten to intern them. Their young, brightest and best --most valued gender -- under our protectorate.

Reagan made them give us 1T$ to hold in trust, we have a lot more in our banks -- and human assets as well.

Sick, I know, but in international negotiations --would it work?

re: #178 Ma Sands

And yet, the directive, the comfort, the Way, does not change: "Fear not."

I'm not afraid. But we need to be wise.

re: #176 American Soldier

AK variants are surprisingly light and handy. Also fun for plinking.

True, I have a built in bias against AK's however. You know M-16 vs. AK, too old to change.

America needs more Saudi students like I need more moonbat co-workers.

re: #181 mama winger

As wise as serpents........and Lizards are that, I do believe. :)

TO mama winger
RE: See....

"I don't believe we did [learn better]. We are actively seeking to increase our exposure to them, by doubling school admissions." -- mama winger

...my initial reply (above) to your item #4 of this thread.

Then again, it COULD be 'Fools R US'. But I think Condi is a tad brighter than Colin.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Trade, that pride and darling of our ocean, that educator of nations, that benefactor in spite of itself, ends in shameful defaulting, bubble, and bankruptcy, all over the world. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson]

P.S. I think we can do better....especially now.

re: #184 Ma Sands

As wise as serpents........and Lizards are that, I do believe. :)

Yes, ma'am - they are! :)

re: #147 jcm

Cool, open carry would have a real downer effect on crime!

LOL! You should have heard the hand-wringing libs squeal! It'll be like the wild west. Blood will soon be flowing in the streets.

Somehow, the shootings have actually gone down even further (well - if you take V-Tech out of the numbers) then they were before.

This is sort of a strange idea.... when I was working in the former East Germany, I had some friends from Grenada who had come over to the then GDR as international students and stayed on after graduating. I think there were only 3-4 universities in the country which accepted foreigners. The soviets founded Patrice Lumumba university only for foreigners. Why don't we just do the same for foreign students like fraudis so we can keep an eye on them ?

TO: vapig and jcm
RE: Open Carry

"Cool, open carry would have a real downer effect on crime!" -- jcm

We have that here. But the city and county won't allow it in their buildings.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[God made men. Colt made men equal.]

re: #185 Chuck Pelto

Saudi Arabia is steeped in Wahabbi theology and culture. I do not see an advantage to us in asking thousands of them to come into our country. They have a history of non-assimilation. They have a history of spreading terrorism.

I believe the underlying reason that officials want to extend this invitation is very simple . MONEY.

re: #182 jcm

True, I have a built in bias against AK's however. You know M-16 vs. AK, too old to change.

I own a Maadi AK, and an AR-15/A2 I built from parts. Like 'em both, but keep the 15 with me. My first rifle was an M-16, NOT A1, complete with the "brush-catcher" suppressor.
People tend to run with early training.
/An AK with a 30- or 40-rounder is almost impossible to properly fire prone.

re: #187 vapig

LOL! You should have heard the hand-wringing libs squeal! It'll be like the wild west. Blood will soon be flowing in the streets.

Somehow, the shootings have actually gone down even further (well - if you take V-Tech out of the numbers) then they were before.

And you can count the number of crimes committed by people with concealed carry permits nationwide on the fingers of one hand.

re: #157 lobo91

Actually, those are 3 separate issues.

Virginia is a shall-issue concealed carry permit state.

It is also one of the few that allow open carry for anyone, no permit required.

Finally, the state recently passed a law prohibiting cities and counties from passing their own restrictions on firearms ownership/carry.

Ha! I knew I liked this place!

Boy - I should really pay more attention to my NRA newsletters.

TO: mama winger
RE: Those Saudis

"Saudi Arabia is steeped in Wahabbi theology and culture. I do not see an advantage to us in asking thousands of them to come into our country. They have a history of non-assimilation. They have a history of spreading terrorism." -- mama winger

I know all of that. And a tad more. Hence my comment that we keep a close eye on those allowed into the country.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If I have danced your dances and sung your songs, it is harder for me to hate you.]

US Ambassador Ford Fraker said in Sakaka that his country aims to double the number of student visas issued to Saudis.

“Currently there are 15,000 Saudi students in the US,” he said during an event on Sunday with local business leaders to an audience at the Al-Jouf Chamber of Commerce and Industry. “We aim to increase their numbers to 30,000 over the next five years.”

This bag of shit needs to be recalled to the US! What the fu*k is this guy (and his idiot cohorts in State) thinking? Oh, yeah, they want to subvert our nation, geez, what am I thinking!

I question this jackasses' patriotism!

Sure more SA students to take over our college campi with prayer rooms.. more to be engineer's.. and design bombs.. build more mosques in our country where 3 millions muslims have 60,000 mosques now.. but 2.5 millions christians in SA have not a single legal church.

/TWP response..

re: #191 American Soldier

I own a Maadi AK, and an AR-15/A2 I built from parts. Like 'em both, but keep the 15 with me. My first rifle was an M-16, NOT A1, complete with the "brush-catcher" suppressor.
People tend to run with early training.
/An AK with a 30- or 40-rounder is almost impossible to properly fire prone.

Being a cold war baby, the bad guys always had AKs and the good guys the M16. I've fired both, and know the advantage of both. For me it's the whole perception thing.

Wife and I are getting a rebate check for $1,200. We owe about $1,500. This whole thing is nuts.

re: #167 Chuck Pelto

Multi-cultural ideology does not allow us to screen these students. That would be "profiling." That would be "bigoted," and Islamophobic.
The Saudis screen out those people most likely to adapt to the West, most likely to want to interact w/ Westerners, and most likely to want to live in the US.

re: #198 rawmuse

Wife and I are getting a rebate check for $1,200. We owe about $1,500. This whole thing is nuts.

And how much cost to taxpayer so you and the IRS can trade checks.

like I have oft said
it is plain not safe to air travel to or in Europe
it is going to be the same case in the US soon enough too

re: #180 ggt

Holding their students hostage? NO.
Holding their money hostage? YES.................IMHO

My problem isn't that we're bringing more Saudis in, it's that we're bringing more of the Saudis that Saudi Arabia wants us to bring in.

With the Saudi-funded institutes at Georgetown, and other places, they'll feel right at home.
We should shut down those centers, or actually make them have announcements of where their money is coming from, in every paper and class.
And have centers for real American education.

re: #192 jcm

And you can count the number of crimes committed by people with concealed carry permits nationwide on the fingers of one hand.

Yes - I don't know the numbers statewide, but in the last five years we've had one up here.

re: #200 jcm

And how much cost to taxpayer so you and the IRS can trade checks.

Yes, we'll be using our rebate to pay our estimated taxes for next year.

re: #188 baconeatingkaffir

This is sort of a strange idea.... when I was working in the former East Germany, I had some friends from Grenada who had come over to the then GDR as international students and stayed on after graduating. I think there were only 3-4 universities in the country which accepted foreigners. The soviets founded Patrice Lumumba university only for foreigners. Why don't we just do the same for foreign students like fraudis so we can keep an eye on them ?

Sounds like xenophobia, profiling, knuckle-dragging bigotry to me! (That's what the libs would say!)

Is communication a bad thing? However, given the historical inability of the State Dept. to separate the wheat from the chaff, I'd rather take a pass on this.

Why do we need to double the amount of Saudi student visas? Seriously, I don't know.
What is the actual reasoning behind it?
I think 15,000 is too many so why does it need to be doubled?
Don't we need 15,000 more native-born Amercians to have the chance to attend OUR universities?

Why? What do you (or anyone) need them for? Are there not homegrown engineers, doctors, teachers, ect? The last Saudi students who were allowed in tried to kill everyone. None of this makes sense to me. The House of Saud has a serious stranglehold.

re: #208 milesfromkansas

We wouldn't dare play the "religion" card...i.e., no Wahabbis or Salafis. But we might be able to play the gender card: demand that half of the students be female.

re: #205 vapig

Yes - I don't know the numbers statewide, but in the last five years we've had one up here.

The Jewish center shooter in Seattle Naveed Haq had one. And there are 250,000 in WA.

re: #200 jcm

It's the same thing in our house. Just pissed the gubernet get's to draw interest on the both checks until they issue the rebate.

re: #213 ggt

It's the same thing in our house. Just pissed the gubernet get's to draw interest on the both checks until they issue the rebate.

The adoptions last year threw a monkey wrench in my tax planning. Get pretty good chunk back, like you say interest free to the gov.

re: #197 jcm

Being a cold war baby, the bad guys always had AKs and the good guys the M16. I've fired both, and know the advantage of both. For me it's the whole perception thing.

I'm an Old Cold Warrior. Whatever kills the bad guys.
My older boy has a predilection for SovBloc weapons. He says, "You might as well have a weapon where your likeliest opponents will bring you ammunition and spare parts."

re: #214 jcm

Ours are done --I picked-up them from the acct last week. Waiting 'til April 14th to write the check.

What is today?

re: #215 American Soldier

I'm an Old Cold Warrior. Whatever kills the bad guys.
My older boy has a predilection for SovBloc weapons. He says, "You might as well have a weapon where your likeliest opponents will bring you ammunition and spare parts."

Very true, I know a guy who did LRRP missions, he only carried AK's and what he knew he could get supplies for.

The Sovs purposely built their railroads on a different gauge so invaders couldn't just roll on in.

“Currently there are 15,000 Saudi students in the US,” he said during an event on Sunday with local business leaders to an audience at the Al-Jouf Chamber of Commerce and Industry. “We aim to increase their numbers to 30,000 over the next five years.”

If you have ever been to the University Missouri Columbia, you would think that the 15000 saudi students already here were at MU.
All America needs is 15000 more sprouting terrorist...crowding out home grown Missourians from going to their own State University .

iSLam *spit*

"It's not dark yet but it's getting there"
BD 1997

We might as well have Homer Simpson in charge if making the visa allotments.

TO: wolfie
RE: Ask That...

"Multi-cultural ideology does not allow us to screen these students. " -- wolfie

...of the SecState, next time you see her.

I think, since we screen for a lot of physical diseases and for people seeking 'asylum' and other predilections, I think you are definitely 'wrong' on this.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

This is no doubt an "Oil for Saudi Students" deal.

No other explanation needed.

The fifth column in the Long War is OUR advantage.

The Saudi petro/wahhabi state is a fragile tyranny. We are a robust democracy.

Let their students in. Let them see. Let them study. (Watch them, of course. Recruit them, of course)

For every Qutb we send back many who return knowing their system is wrong.

We undermine them.

Why don't the Saudis build their own fucking universities!

re: #223 experiencedtraveller

The fifth column in the Long War is OUR advantage.

The Saudi petro/wahhabi state is a fragile tyranny. We are a robust democracy.

Let their students in. Let them see. Let them study. (Watch them, of course. Recruit them, of course)

For every Qutb we send back many who return knowing their system is wrong.

We undermine them.

Saudi has a fragile economy? Yeah, watch what happens to our robust democracy when the oil taps are shut off.

TO: experiencedtraveller
RE: True

"The fifth column in the Long War is OUR advantage.

The Saudi petro/wahhabi state is a fragile tyranny. We are a robust democracy." -- experiencedtraveller

Time is on our side. We wore down the Soviet Union. We can do the same to the wahhabi Saudis as well....

....provided we keep 'faith'.

The problem is that all too many Americans have no Faith at all.

As in all wars, it is a matter of will. And the weak in Faith in a religious war have a distinct disadvantage. And therein, likely, lies the paranoia expressed by some people here.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[In battle, physical is to morale as 10 to 90. -- Napoleon]

re: #93 song_and_dance_man

Haven't had much time to say anything, usually just enough time to stop by and read. Having a toddler does that!

re: #68 vapig

Right! Depopulate the planet to save the planet!

Just who are we saving the planet for? Roaches? Clams? Rats? L³ Greens?

I'm happy where I am, thank you.

Until the most vocal supporters of depopulation lead the way, I'll not bother to consider their hypocritical position.

Remind me again why having them here is a good idea? Because of the knowledge they impart? Or the tolerance they espouse? Or the fraternal theism they exhort? Or they misogyny they oppose?

What exactly is the benefit to the US and our allies to enable more of them to come here?

re: #89 ggt

I'm not sure it's actually biofuels that are the problem. I think the corn lobby is the problem. From my little understanding of the issue, admittedly, ethanol/methanol doesn't have to be so expensive. They can use farm waste --not food grade raw materials and we could lower or remove the tariff from South American Ethanol.

Of course, the corn lobby doesn't want us to know that.

You can make ethanol/methanol from any organic (original meaning) garbage.

re: #225 So?

Saudi has a fragile economy?

My quote was the Saudi state is fragile. And yes, their economy is as fragile as glass. They will squander this oil boom like all previous booms and be mired in debt again within a few short years. Economic mismanagement is a cornerstone of political tyranny.

Yeah, watch what happens to our robust democracy when the oil taps are shut off.

The oil taps have never been shut off. Alternative sources are emerging daily. Maybe we need a shock?

re: #226 Chuck Pelto

Well said. Keep the faith.

Fraker also stressed the need for popularizing English teaching programs because it would overcome the language barriers for Saudi students seeking to study in the US easier.

I'm sure the Collectivists Anti-American Multiculturalists will mostly likely instead prefer us to learn Farsi to accommodate them. More money from foreign interests will ensure this change. Whores.

TO: kafir
RE: Re-Read...

"What exactly is the benefit to the US and our allies to enable more of them to come here?" -- kafir

....the comments made by myself and experiencedtraveller (above).

Regards,

Chuck(le)
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TO: egfrow
RE: Uuuuhhhh....

"I'm sure the Collectivists Anti-American Multiculturalists will mostly likely instead prefer us to learn Farsi to accommodate them." -- egfrow

Saudis don't speak Farsi. Iranians speak it.

Hope that helps....

Regards,

Chuck(le)

re: #235 Chuck Pelto

Thanks for the technical correction. The sentiment stands though.

TO: Egfrow
RE: Still Standing

"Thanks for the technical correction. The sentiment stands though." -- Egfrow

I doubt if many Americans would care to learn Arabic.

On the other hand, I'm certain that those without any REAL Faith would be all too happy to 'take the pledge' [to become Muslims] AND learn Arabic; godless, gutless globs of ganglial goo that they are.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Show me a man without Faith and I'll show you one of the hopeless. -- CBPelto]

re: #223 experiencedtraveller

It may have once been a robust democracy but the events in the last 40 years have let to a marked decline in patriotic pride, loyalty, and gratitude, for being born in a free country. Indoctrination of collectivist principles in our schools, and in the media, and the corruption of our politicians by foreign interests has done severe damage to the health of the Republic.

The notion of letting MORE future jihadis, CAIR, and MSU student members just beggars the mind.

Bush's stale date was a couple of years ago, but he seems to be determined to totally disgrace himself in the last year with regard to Saudi ass-sucking policies. So disappointing.

As Mr. Spock might have said, "this does not compute".

The only current presidential candidate who might have the sense to change such a policy is McCain. Maybe.

TO: Egfrow
RE: True

"It may have once been a robust democracy but the events in the last 40 years have let to a marked decline in patriotic pride, loyalty, and gratitude, for being born in a free country." -- Egfrow

I think that the Comte de Tocquille said it best, after he visited this bustling young democracy in the early 1830s.

America is great because America is good. When America is no longer good, it will no longer be great.

Certain people have determined that it is not 'good' for America to have 'Faith'; in God, that is. But the Comte remarked, in his writings, that the conscience of America thundered from its pulpits.

Now, we find that the pulpits can no longer 'thunder' in our conscience, due to constraints imposed on political speech by the IRS. Something about 501(c)3 status, I believe.

Maybe our churches should throw off this muzzle and speak the Truth, once again.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You cannot serve two masters. You can serve either money or you can serve righteousness. -- Some Wag, around 2000 years ago]

re: #238 Egfrow

It may have once been a robust democracy but the events in the last 40 years have let to a marked decline in patriotic pride, loyalty, and gratitude, for being born in a free country. Indoctrination of collectivist principles in our schools, and in the media, and the corruption of our politicians by foreign interests has done severe damage to the health of the Republic.

Chuck Pelto doesn't seem to have noticed this.
The notion that someone would become less anti-American by hanging around the average university today is downright silly.

TO: wolfie
RE: I'll....

"Chuck Pelto doesn't seem to have noticed this." -- wolfie

....wait for your reply to my previous missive.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Read first. THEN answer.]

P.S. wolfie....

....what is the nature/form/demonization of YOUR Faith?

P.P.S. How long have you been on this ball-o-dirt?

re: #224 So?

Why? They can buy any they want...

Our public servant Mr. Fraker can be reached at the following e-mail address:

USEmbRiyadhWebSite@State.gov

re: #240 Chuck Pelto You think Jesus Christ was a wag?

re: #238 Egfrow

There is much truth in your statement. But I hope you don't overreact to a trend. In our democracy, the current philosophy (and I use that term very lightly) of our education establishment can be changed.

TO: mjazzguitar
RE: The Christ

"You think Jesus Christ was a wag?" -- mjazzguitar

The best ever to walk the face of the Earth.

What do YOU think of Him?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Nothing like a little twist on thinks to strike up a discussion. -- CBPelto]

re: #249 Chuck Pelto
I think He is the Son of God.
I don't think He was a wag.

Chuck my (old school) English teacher would have circled your "wag" comment and written WC next to it.

/word choice

See you all down the road. Vaya con dios...

re: #242 Chuck Pelto

re: #244 Chuck Pelto

P.P.S. How long have you been on this ball-o-dirt?

Sorry! I wrote my reply to Egfrow before I read yours.
Where you and I disagree (I think) is in your confidence that these Saudi students will be influenced in a constructive way at America's universities.
Allowing for a certain amount of exaggeration, I would say that this is about as sensible as my sending my daughter to a brothel to learn chastity.

A gentleman does not ask a lady how old she is! I shall not tell you how long this mild-mannered, middle-aged lady has been on this ball of dirt, but I will tell you that I have taught in the mud-puddle of higher education (off and on) for 25 years.

My guess is that there won't be too many female students visiting...

TO: mjazzguitar
RE: The Christ

"I think He is the Son of God." -- mjazzguitar

So. Does that mean He can't say things that make light or are contrarian of those in power? I seem to recall He made a lot of interesting comments that took the Pharisees and Scribes down a few notches.

I think His preferred form of waggishness was the parable.

Stop me if you've heard this one before....

There was this man who built a vineyard. He hedged it in and dug a winepress in it. Then he turned it over to some other guys and went away into a far country......

Oh. You HAVE heard it before.

And you recall that the Pharisees took umbrage at His 'waggishness'.

Hope that helps.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I use the term 'Wag' to cause people to think about Him. What do you do to cause people to think about Him?

TO: wolfie
RE: My 'Confidence'....

"Where you and I disagree (I think) is in your confidence that these Saudi students will be influenced in a constructive way at America's universities." -- wolfie

....stems from watching what happened to the Soviet Union, and what's happening in Communist China today, through such openness.

We'll win, in the long run. But only if we're (1) as 'wise as serpents' and (2) as 'gentle as doves'.

RE: How Long

"A gentleman does not ask a lady how old she is! I shall not tell you how long this mild-mannered, middle-aged lady has been on this ball of dirt..." -- wolfie

On the one hand, a nom des blogs of 'wolfie' does not connote a feminine persona.

On the other hand, the US Army stopped commissioning officers a 'gentlemen' two years before I was commissioned.

On the third hand, it probably wouldn't matter anyway, in this age of feminist 'rights'.

As Bruce Willis so aptly put it in Die Hard,

Welcome to the PARTY, pal!

The point being. You're here. En gardé! [Note: Please pardon my French.]

RE: How Long (Reprised)

"....but I will tell you that I have taught in the mud-puddle of higher education (off and on) for 25 years." -- wolfie

Oh? An acadamian nut, eh? Oh well....we each have our cross to bear.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. You never answered my question as to the nature of your 'Faith'.

P.P.S. I think we could get the SecState to specify the schools that any Saudi students would attend.

Might even help get some of the more egregious ones to modify their current state of anti-Americanism. After all, since they don't serve God, they MUST be serving money.

re: #243 Chuck Pelto

P.S. wolfie....

....what is the nature/form/demonization of YOUR Faith?

My faith is in God. I pray that God will bless America. I pray that more of us, and especially our "elites," will heed the wisdom of Tocqueville.
I'll tell you what I do not believe in, and that is secular ideology. You cannot fight Islam with blather about "human rights" when you are denying the Creator of life, liberty, and all true rights.

Put not your trust in princes, nor in the sons of men, for in them there is no salvation.

re: #248 experiencedtraveller

There is much truth in your statement. But I hope you don't overreact to a trend. In our democracy, the current philosophy (and I use that term very lightly) of our education establishment can be changed.

HOW?

I took a class 35 years ago in college .. where the history professor showed the class some old Roman weapons and armor.. he pulled out some darts.. and began making fun of them as weapons.. they were not modern darts, they were unbalanced heavy and clumsy to throw like a modern dart would be thrown.. the professor had the class believing they were worthless as weapons. Then I told them how Romans used darts.. like mortar shells thrown high in the air.. to come down on the unprotected heads of their enemies.. the class learned something about Romans.. maybe the professor too.

I think our State Department should stop looking at the SA student darts as worthless weapons.. and start protecting our American heads.

TO: wolfie, et al
RE: Drat!

"The point being. You're here. En gard%uFFFD! [Note: Please pardon my French.]" -- Chuck Pelto

There was supposed to be an accent mark over an 'e', where that question mark is.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[No matter what you do, some computer can foul it up for you.]

TO: BingoBunny, et al.
RE: Darts and Such

All weapons are still useful. No matter how dated or antiquated they may seem.

I could use caltrops, with a mix of B-Bs, to defend my house against home invasion. The B-Bs for invaders wearing hard-soled shoes and the caltrops against those wearing sneakers. And the caltrops would likely penetrate the soles of many hard-soled shoes too.

Once so disabled, they'd be easy pickings.....so to say....

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Fear rather the wizard amongst his books than the dragon in his lair.]

P.S. "I think our State Department should stop looking at the SA student darts as worthless weapons.. and start protecting our American heads." -- BingoBunny

Wouldn't it be great if we COULD turn those 'darts' to our own purposes?

TO: wolfie
RE: Faith

"My faith is in God. I pray that God will bless America. I pray that more of us, and especially our "elites," will heed the wisdom of Tocqueville." -- wolfie

I pray for them too...on occasion. I prefer to work with them, showing them they just might be mistaken about a think or two. Currently working with/on a doctor of polisci who occasionally slips into what could be termed academic tourette's about (1) Christians and/or (2) Republicans. She's probably got some other thinks about white-guys too. But, she 'seems' to be learning.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If being a Christian were a crime, would there be enough evidence to convict you?]

Saudis want their students to learn English, grow up businesspeople and buy US land, assists and banks. One need to know English, I presume , to do this. Does this mean US Christians can go to Saudi and learn Arabic? Or do they prefer Muslim males only?