He's been drinking...

That's what happens when your liver is pickled.

obama should take lessons from Christopher on how to clear up a gaffe.

does anyone know what "sapphic" means?

I'm a lesbian too. Just love women.

re: #6 blame canada

does anyone know what "sapphic" means?

Lesbianese.

Chris has sand in his vagina.

re: #6 blame canada

does anyone know what "sapphic" means?

Intimately. Biblically.

i can see andrew sullivan wanting to carry obama's baby

re: #6 blame canada

does anyone know what "sapphic" means?

sapphic

adjective
1. a meter used by Sappho and named after her
2. of or relating to or characterized by homosexual relations between woman

'Mr Sullivan paused. Mr Hitchens looked to the floor. And the MSNBC Tim Russert Show merrily continued with its analysis of the role religion and the preacher Jeremiah Wright have played in Barack Obama's election campaign.'

. Mr. Sullivan's failure to respond could indicate that he is, or wishes he were, a lesbian and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.

OT/ Prayer Request
My mom is still in the hospital and seems to be doing worse. I thought this would be her last week there and that she'd come home today or this Monday, but it looks like she'll be there all this next week as well (and maybe longer).

Mom is even more depressed now, and cries a lot every day. She's lost even more weight and is down to 80 some odd pounds.

She won't eat. There doesn't seem to be a physical reason; she can swallow just fine. We think it's a psychological thing.

She'll chew up a bit of solid food but then spits it out. My dad asks her why, and she says she doesn't know. He's told her that she's starving to death; she says she knows, but she just can't bring herself to eat.

She sometimes drinks a little bit of "Ensure Plus." We don't know how much more skinny she has to get before the doctors put some kind of tube in her to get nutrients into her.

The doctors think she may have had a stroke, and she appears to have seizures at times, but that may be due to not getting enough blood to her head (she passes out anytime she stands up).

The doctors keep giving her all sorts of medications, hoping one of them will help her, but I don't think they really know what to do for her.

Please pray for my Mom's recovery, and my dad and me could also use prayers. Thank you.

(For more information, please see my old post, #208 in an old LGF thread)

When is a lesbian not a lesbian? When the person in question is a gay, Catholic, conservative blogger by the name of Andrew Sullivan, it would seem.

When is a conservative not a conservative? When the person in question is a gay, Catholic, obama loving blogger by the name of Andrew Sullivan, it would seem.

re: #6 blame canada

Sappho of Lesbos; thus, lesbians are referred to as "sapphic."

re: #14 gromster

Prayers.

or at least adopt one w/ him.

Sappho was an ancient Lesbian, in both senses of the word. (Woman who preferred women, and inhabitant of the island of Lesbos).

re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm a lesbian too. Just love women.

Me too... A lesbian trapped in a man's body!

re: #14 gromster

I don't pray, but I will keep her in my thoughts, and you and your father as well.

It appears that Mr. Sullivan felt a tingle run up his leg.

Hitch was calling him "Barry Gay" but the vodka tonics in the greenroom...

What the hell does that mean? Did he fall into a vat of something and have to drink his way out?

re: #19 zmdavid

I have never felt that her poetry is limited as being about love between women.

When is Sullivan going to come out of the closet and admit he's a liberal. He's not fooling anybody.

It's a sting/choke of the n^th magnitude. Sullivan is a girly-girl with the hots for Obama.

Chrissie's sciatic nerve just exploded.

re: #4 Bob in Breckenridge

That's what happens when your liver brain is pickled.

Much bettah.

re: #14 gromster

Best wishes are the best I can offer. Hang in there.

re: #14 gromster

Gromster, Your mom should have been on a feeding tube a while back, it seems like. Hope things get better, Best wishes to you all

re: #14 gromster

OT/ Prayer Request
My mom is still in the hospital and seems to be doing worse. I thought this would be her last week there and that she'd come home today or this Monday, but it looks like she'll be there all this next week as well (and maybe longer).

Mom is even more depressed now, and cries a lot every day. She's lost even more weight and is down to 80 some odd pounds.

She won't eat. There doesn't seem to be a physical reason; she can swallow just fine. We think it's a psychological thing.

She'll chew up a bit of solid food but then spits it out. My dad asks her why, and she says she doesn't know. He's told her that she's starving to death; she says she knows, but she just can't bring herself to eat.

She sometimes drinks a little bit of "Ensure Plus." We don't know how much more skinny she has to get before the doctors put some kind of tube in her to get nutrients into her.

The doctors think she may have had a stroke, and she appears to have seizures at times, but that may be due to not getting enough blood to her head (she passes out anytime she stands up).

The doctors keep giving her all sorts of medications, hoping one of them will help her, but I don't think they really know what to do for her.

Please pray for my Mom's recovery, and my dad and me could also use prayers. Thank you.

(For more information, please see my old post, #208 in an old LGF thread)

Sending many prayers your way.

re: #14 gromster

Bigtime prayers sent.

re: #11 blame canada

i can see andrew sullivan wanting to carry obama's baby

/He'd have to fight Chris Matthews and his tingling leg, but then again, I'd rather NOT see that fight.

re: #25 Dianna

I have never felt that her poetry is limited as being about love between women.

Those ancient Greeks loved to gossip.

re: #26 HelloDare

When is Sullivan going to come out of the closet and admit he's a liberal. He's not fooling anybody.

He's got The Independent fooled.

Atheist are always portrayed as confused drunks.
Yeah!
.....wait....
What?

re: #32 Sol Roth

Bigtime prayers sent.

Same here.

re: #14 gromster
Prayers headed upward.

re: #14 gromster

This has got to be even harder on you and your dad than on her. Please try to lean on HIM. Will pray for all 3 of you. Hang in there.

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Atheist are always portrayed as confused drunks.
Yeah!
.....wait....
What?

Athie is a funny god, no?

re: #28 Fat Jolly Penguin

Much bettah.

LOL, that too.

re: #28 Fat Jolly Penguin

For example...
[Link: www.fatboy.cc...]

Hitchens is my altar-ego (sic).

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Atheist are always portrayed as confused drunks.
Yeah!
.....wait....
What?

Hey! I'm a confused drunk but I'm not atheist!

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Atheist are always portrayed as confused drunks.
Yeah!
.....wait....
What?

But you're not confused when you're drinking.

re: #14 gromster

i'm so sorry to hear this bad news abt. your mother's illness. i hope she improves and soon feels well enough to come home. praying for your whole family.

re: #14 gromster

prayers going up

Mirriam-Webster provides unexpected information:

les·bi·an \'lez-bē-en\, adjective
  1 often capitalized : of or relating to Lesbos
  2 [from the reputed homosexual band associated with Sappho of
   Lesbos] : of or relating to homosexuality between females

Sappho had a band? Who knew?

re: #34 HelloDare

They did!

But Sappho is lovely.

Kinda like -

Next time you pillage a village - Kill All the Men and Rape All the Women -
AND THIS TIME GET IT RIGHT!

-S-

re: #25 Dianna

I have never felt that her poetry is limited as being about love between women.

Neither have I ...and my BIL, a classics scholar, agrees with us.

re: #48 Opilio

Mirriam-Webster provides unexpected information:

Sappho had a band? Who knew?

You know. "Closer to Fine".

So a sapphire is a lesbian's anger?

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Atheist are always portrayed as confused drunks.
Yeah!
.....wait....
What?

Hells bells, I went on my beer run during the last thread, and came home with $150 worth of crap.

re: #54 Bob in Breckenridge

Hells bells, I went on my beer run during the last thread, and came home with $150 worth of crap.

Must be that fancy coffee.

re: #54 Bob in Breckenridge

Coors?

re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Personally, I think of the Oh God of hangovers, whose followers witness him by holding their head in their hands and saying, "Oh, god."

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Must be that fancy coffee.

re: #56 spikester

Coors?

LOL, no and no.

re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You know. "Closer to Fine".

Oh wow, when I was in college my friends and I wore that Indigo Girls album out. Still think it's great music. The whole Sapphic love thing, not so much.

I also like Billy Bragg. I'm a weird right-winger.

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Aarrr!

re: #58 Bob in Breckenridge

Buckhorn?

re: #6 blame canada

does anyone know what "sapphic" means?

Sappho (pronounced /ˈsæfoʊ/ in English; Attic Greek Σαπφώ IPA: [sapːʰɔː], Aeolic Greek Ψάπφω [psapːʰɔː]) was an Ancient Greek lyric poet, born on the island of Lesbos. In history and poetry texts, she is sometimes associated with the city of Mytilene on Lesbos (Carson 2002); she was also said to have been born in Eresos, another city on Lesbos. Her birth was sometime between 630 BC and 612 BC, and it is said that she died around 570 BC. The bulk of her poetry, which was well-known and greatly admired throughout antiquity, has been lost, but her immense reputation has endured through surviving fragments.

re: #57 Dianna

Kneel, pray, repeat. Atheists do it too.

since what I was actually thinking was: ‘Andrew really wants to have Barack Obama’s f*cking child’. Clearly some confusion of categories on my part.”

That is hilarious.

re: #51 wolfie

Good; I'd worried that the fashion had gone to (essentially) dismissing and limiting Sappho to being a (modern definition) lesbian.

I didn't know/ remember that Sullivan was supposedly a conservative. I guess the cat's out of the bag/ closet on that myth.

Thanks everyone for the prayers and well- wishes.

I have always been very close to my mom, so this has been very difficult.

re: #57 Dianna

Personally, I think of the Oh God of hangovers, whose followers witness him by holding their head in their hands and saying, "Oh, god."

And, when you are throwing up drunk it is called "Praising the porcelan Goddess" (if you made it to the bathroom), otherwise it is known as "Selling Buicks".

re: #33 Bob in Breckenridge

/He'd have to fight Chris Matthews and his tingling leg, but then again, I'd rather NOT see that fight.

The whole thing is rather disturbing. It is sending me to my chamber fore to take a slumber.
"Good night sweet Lizards, parting is such sweet sorrow that I could ..."
Oh screw it! y'all have a great night & lets meet for fruit cup tomorrow.

For when Sullivan was stuck for words on an American news discussion programme last week, he was confronted by the acerbic polemicist Christopher Hitchens. "Don't be such a lesbian," intervened Mr Hitchens. "Get on with it."

I love how they assume Mr. Hitchens was "stuck for words". Somehow, I doubt that- I think he knew exactly what he was saying, as his "clarification" demonstrates.

re: #57 Dianna

Personally, I think of the Oh God of hangovers, whose followers witness him by holding their head in their hands and saying, "Oh, god."

but those that wake up with a hang over know that's the worst they will feel all day.

/jus sayin

Obama seems to exist at the center of a swirl of madness.

re: #14 gromster

You have my prayers.
I am dealing with much the same thing.
TIAs are happening with more frequency.
My Mom had one Sunday, and I thought she had died.
She was incoherent for about 7-8 minutes, but was OK when she came out of the "fog".
It is never easy to lose a parent.

re: #6 blame canada

does anyone know what "sapphic" means?

Sapphic
1501, from Fr. saphique, from L. Sapphicus, from Gk. Sapphikos "of Sappho," in ref. to Sappho, poetess of the isle of Lesbos c.600 B.C.E. Especially in reference to her characteristic meters; sense of "pertaining to sexual relations between women" is from 1890 (see lesbian).

re: #63 Killgore Trout

I'm not an atheist.

I still don't pray.

re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And, when you are throwing up drunk it is called "Praising the porcelan Goddess" (if you made it to the bathroom), otherwise it is known as "Selling Buicks".

I doubt I want to know the answer to this, but why?

re: #72 Ojoe

"swirl of madness"

from shit heads come shit storms

Shappo poems:

Please

Come back to me, Gongyla, here tonight,
You, my rose, with your Lydian lyre.
There hovers forever around you delight:
A beauty desired.

Even your garment plunders my eyes.
I am enchanted: I who once
Complained to the Cyprus-born goddess,
Whom I now beseech

Never to let this lose me grace
But rather bring you back to me:
Amongst all mortal women the one
I most wish to see.

--Translated by Paul Roche

To Atthis

Though in Sardis now,
she things of us constantly

and of the life we shared.
She saw you as a goddess
and above all your dancing gave her deep joy.

Now she shines among Lydian women like
the rose-fingered moon
rising after sundown, erasing all

stars around her, and pouring light equally
across the salt sea
and over densely flowered fields

lucent under dew. Her light spreads
on roses and tender thyme
and the blooming honey-lotus.

Often while she wanders she remem-
bers you, gentle Atthis,
and desire eats away at her heart

for us to come.

--Translated by Willis Barnstone

To Andromeda

That country girl has witched your wishes,
all dressed up in her country clothes
and she hasn't got the sense
to hitch her rags above her ankles.

--Translated by Jim Powell

Enh.

re: #71 hayseed

but those that wake up with a hang over know that's the worst they will feel all day.

/jus sayin

Was it Winston Churchill who said, "And Madam, in the morning I will be sober, and you will still be ugly."

re: #14 gromster

God bless you and your family.

re: #70 Sharmuta

I love how they assume Mr. Hitchens was "stuck for words". Somehow, I doubt that- I think he knew exactly what he was saying, as his "clarification" demonstrates.

It was Mr. Sullivan that was said to be "stuck".

re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You definitely need to read Pratchett's Hogfather!

re: #69 opnion

LOL ! Goodnight!

re: #14 gromster

Prayers to you, anyway it turns out it will be hard, I speak from experience

re: #79 HelloDare

Shappo poems:

Enh.

Was he Sappho's brother?

As for Hitchens, I think the 21st century is teaching him that conservatism is not a phenomenon produced soley by religion; clear reasoning can produce it as well.

re: #76 Fat Jolly Penguin

Onomatopoeia.

re: #70 Sharmuta

Ah...the quote indicates that it was Sullivan that was stuck?

re: #70 Sharmuta

I love how they assume Mr. Hitchens was "stuck for words". Somehow, I doubt that- I think he knew exactly what he was saying, as his "clarification" demonstrates.

Bull's eye!

re: #72 Ojoe

Obama seems to exist at the center of a swirl of madness.

He is the epicenter of madness.

re: #82 Opilio

Thanks. My bad.

re: #71 hayseed

I wouldn't know.

/hypocrisy

re: #61 spikester

Buckhorn?

Steinlager, from New Zealand.

re: #76 Fat Jolly Penguin

Driving the porcelain bus, if you make it to the bathroom, it is also called.

Calling Ralph on the big white phone ...

Carolyn,
Prayers to you and your Mom as well.
Hang in there. I lost my Mom last year after a very long illness. It was a blessing for her but a heartache for us.

re: #88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh my.

Bit of the jug there.

re: #95 Ojoe

Hollering Roy!

re: #94 Bob in Breckenridge

Thank you.
---note to self---

Never buy Steinlager, from New Zealand.

re: #88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Onomatopoeia.

Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

re: #14 gromster

OT/ Prayer Request
My mom is still in the hospital and seems to be doing worse. I thought this would be her last week there and that she'd come home today or this Monday, but it looks like she'll be there all this next week as well (and maybe longer).

Mom is even more depressed now, and cries a lot every day. She's lost even more weight and is down to 80 some odd pounds.

She won't eat. There doesn't seem to be a physical reason; she can swallow just fine. We think it's a psychological thing.

She'll chew up a bit of solid food but then spits it out. My dad asks her why, and she says she doesn't know. He's told her that she's starving to death; she says she knows, but she just can't bring herself to eat.

She sometimes drinks a little bit of "Ensure Plus." We don't know how much more skinny she has to get before the doctors put some kind of tube in her to get nutrients into her.

The doctors think she may have had a stroke, and she appears to have seizures at times, but that may be due to not getting enough blood to her head (she passes out anytime she stands up).

The doctors keep giving her all sorts of medications, hoping one of them will help her, but I don't think they really know what to do for her.

Please pray for my Mom's recovery, and my dad and me could also use prayers. Thank you.

(For more information, please see my old post,

re: #95 Ojoe

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uggggh! I'm sorry I asked!

re: #91 crimsonfisted

There seems to me to be a more Dantesque quality to it as time goes on.

re: #14 gromster

OT/ Prayer Request
My mom is still in the hospital and seems to be doing worse. I thought this would be her last week there and that she'd come home today or this Monday, but it looks like she'll be there all this next week as well (and maybe longer)....

Please pray for my Mom's recovery, and my dad and me could also use prayers. Thank you.

(For more information, please see my old post, #208 in an old LGF thread)

Gromster - prayers being said for your Mom and also for your family to have strength to deal with with this. I am so very sorry you are going through this. My dad broke his hip in December, had surgery that went well, but he also has gone into some sort of depression and isn't eating and has lost a lot of weight. It is so very difficult to watch a parent who has become ill - again, you will be in my prayers daily.

Checked the LGF archives and on a Mar.18 thread Sullivan in his review of Obamas Race speech, called it searing, gut wrenching and nuanced. The LGFers pretty much called Sullivans response a "man crush" on Obama. I think we were snarkastic first.

re: #79 HelloDare

It's better in Greek. I promise.

re: #97 Fat Jolly Penguin

See? Very simple. When you have the runs it is "Riding the porcelean Honda" that takes both the visual and the Onomatopoeia into consideration.

Gosh, sorry guys. I am being disgusting.

re: #96 newsjunkie_ky

Carolyn,
Prayers to you and your Mom as well.
Hang in there. I lost my Mom last year after a very long illness. It was a blessing for her but a heartache for us.

Thank you.
Moms are supposed to always be there aren't they?
It is hard.

You cannot lesbian subtext your way into Mordor.

re: #95 Ojoe

Calling Ralph on the big white phone ...

Thats the 3:00 AM Fone Caw!

re: #14 gromster

I'm so very sorry. My Dad went through a brief phase of not eating about 2 1/2 years before he passed away, so I can certainly understand what you're going through. Personally, I don't think that this as uncommon as it seems (the not eating), especially with geriatric patients.

If at any time you feel that the doctors aren't performing to your satisfaction, scream bloody murder and get new doctors. It's your right.

Also sending prayers out to all of you.

re: #109 Carolyn

Thank you.
Moms are supposed to always be there aren't they?
It is hard.

Yep.

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yesterday while looking at pics of Wales on flickr, I ran into this Cardiff street scene, (man 'hollering roy' caught by accident in the background) and a new word (third comment down) to describe it.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
/squeamish warning

re: #104 Ojoe

There seems to me to be a more Dantesque quality to it as time goes on.

And it will increase exponentially until the Dem convention and then on to November.

Whatever faults Chris Hitchens has - and I think he has many - there's no doubt that he is a brilliant man. And btw, I don't think his description (drunken or not?) of Andrew Sullivan is far off base. Sullivan has strayed far afield of what he once seemed to be.

Maybe Hitch and AS should have a debate about it. If so, forget about Sully, he ain't winnin that one.

1. Prayers for Mom.
2. Many more prayers for Mom.
3. Hitch must be in a jealous mood, eh!

re: #75 Dianna

I've been curious about your religious beliefs for a while. I'll drag you out of your shell sooner or later.

re: #106 snowcrash

The first person I ever heard use the word "Snarky" was Tony Snow. Really admire him (he called me a genius once). Got to know me a little better, never called me a genius again.

re: #112 shibumi

Back in the 90's, my dad (after his bypass surgery) couldn't keep anything down. It was terrifying.

Sort of like mud wrestling. I guess I want Hichens to win, but there is no money on it. And in this case all the fat is in the wrong places.

re: #64 Tasty Beverage

That is hilarious.

The best part is that it's coming out of Hitchens, who always sounds so English and absolutely droll to me.

And Sullivan probably does want to have Obama's f*cking child.

re: #114 jaunte

Hee Hee!

Now for some really tasteless humor, I give you "The Shit List".

Don't go there unless you are prepared.