He's been drinking...

That's what happens when your liver is pickled.

obama should take lessons from Christopher on how to clear up a gaffe.

does anyone know what "sapphic" means?

I'm a lesbian too. Just love women.

re: #6 blame canada

does anyone know what "sapphic" means?

Lesbianese.

Chris has sand in his vagina.

re: #6 blame canada

does anyone know what "sapphic" means?

Intimately. Biblically.

i can see andrew sullivan wanting to carry obama's baby

re: #6 blame canada

does anyone know what "sapphic" means?

sapphic

adjective
1. a meter used by Sappho and named after her
2. of or relating to or characterized by homosexual relations between woman

'Mr Sullivan paused. Mr Hitchens looked to the floor. And the MSNBC Tim Russert Show merrily continued with its analysis of the role religion and the preacher Jeremiah Wright have played in Barack Obama's election campaign.'

. Mr. Sullivan's failure to respond could indicate that he is, or wishes he were, a lesbian and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.

OT/ Prayer Request
My mom is still in the hospital and seems to be doing worse. I thought this would be her last week there and that she'd come home today or this Monday, but it looks like she'll be there all this next week as well (and maybe longer).

Mom is even more depressed now, and cries a lot every day. She's lost even more weight and is down to 80 some odd pounds.

She won't eat. There doesn't seem to be a physical reason; she can swallow just fine. We think it's a psychological thing.

She'll chew up a bit of solid food but then spits it out. My dad asks her why, and she says she doesn't know. He's told her that she's starving to death; she says she knows, but she just can't bring herself to eat.

She sometimes drinks a little bit of "Ensure Plus." We don't know how much more skinny she has to get before the doctors put some kind of tube in her to get nutrients into her.

The doctors think she may have had a stroke, and she appears to have seizures at times, but that may be due to not getting enough blood to her head (she passes out anytime she stands up).

The doctors keep giving her all sorts of medications, hoping one of them will help her, but I don't think they really know what to do for her.

Please pray for my Mom's recovery, and my dad and me could also use prayers. Thank you.

(For more information, please see my old post, #208 in an old LGF thread)

When is a lesbian not a lesbian? When the person in question is a gay, Catholic, conservative blogger by the name of Andrew Sullivan, it would seem.

When is a conservative not a conservative? When the person in question is a gay, Catholic, obama loving blogger by the name of Andrew Sullivan, it would seem.

re: #6 blame canada

Sappho of Lesbos; thus, lesbians are referred to as "sapphic."

re: #14 gromster

Prayers.

or at least adopt one w/ him.

Sappho was an ancient Lesbian, in both senses of the word. (Woman who preferred women, and inhabitant of the island of Lesbos).

re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm a lesbian too. Just love women.

Me too... A lesbian trapped in a man's body!

re: #14 gromster

I don't pray, but I will keep her in my thoughts, and you and your father as well.

It appears that Mr. Sullivan felt a tingle run up his leg.

Hitch was calling him "Barry Gay" but the vodka tonics in the greenroom...

What the hell does that mean? Did he fall into a vat of something and have to drink his way out?

re: #19 zmdavid

I have never felt that her poetry is limited as being about love between women.

When is Sullivan going to come out of the closet and admit he's a liberal. He's not fooling anybody.

It's a sting/choke of the n^th magnitude. Sullivan is a girly-girl with the hots for Obama.

Chrissie's sciatic nerve just exploded.

re: #4 Bob in Breckenridge

That's what happens when your liver brain is pickled.

Much bettah.

re: #14 gromster

Best wishes are the best I can offer. Hang in there.

re: #14 gromster

Gromster, Your mom should have been on a feeding tube a while back, it seems like. Hope things get better, Best wishes to you all

re: #14 gromster

OT/ Prayer Request
My mom is still in the hospital and seems to be doing worse. I thought this would be her last week there and that she'd come home today or this Monday, but it looks like she'll be there all this next week as well (and maybe longer).

Mom is even more depressed now, and cries a lot every day. She's lost even more weight and is down to 80 some odd pounds.

She won't eat. There doesn't seem to be a physical reason; she can swallow just fine. We think it's a psychological thing.

She'll chew up a bit of solid food but then spits it out. My dad asks her why, and she says she doesn't know. He's told her that she's starving to death; she says she knows, but she just can't bring herself to eat.

She sometimes drinks a little bit of "Ensure Plus." We don't know how much more skinny she has to get before the doctors put some kind of tube in her to get nutrients into her.

The doctors think she may have had a stroke, and she appears to have seizures at times, but that may be due to not getting enough blood to her head (she passes out anytime she stands up).

The doctors keep giving her all sorts of medications, hoping one of them will help her, but I don't think they really know what to do for her.

Please pray for my Mom's recovery, and my dad and me could also use prayers. Thank you.

(For more information, please see my old post, #208 in an old LGF thread)

Sending many prayers your way.

re: #14 gromster

Bigtime prayers sent.

re: #11 blame canada

i can see andrew sullivan wanting to carry obama's baby

/He'd have to fight Chris Matthews and his tingling leg, but then again, I'd rather NOT see that fight.

re: #25 Dianna

I have never felt that her poetry is limited as being about love between women.

Those ancient Greeks loved to gossip.

re: #26 HelloDare

When is Sullivan going to come out of the closet and admit he's a liberal. He's not fooling anybody.

He's got The Independent fooled.

Atheist are always portrayed as confused drunks.
Yeah!
.....wait....
What?

re: #32 Sol Roth

Bigtime prayers sent.

Same here.

re: #14 gromster
Prayers headed upward.

re: #14 gromster

This has got to be even harder on you and your dad than on her. Please try to lean on HIM. Will pray for all 3 of you. Hang in there.

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Atheist are always portrayed as confused drunks.
Yeah!
.....wait....
What?

Athie is a funny god, no?

re: #28 Fat Jolly Penguin

Much bettah.

LOL, that too.

re: #28 Fat Jolly Penguin

For example...
[Link: www.fatboy.cc...]

Hitchens is my altar-ego (sic).

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Atheist are always portrayed as confused drunks.
Yeah!
.....wait....
What?

Hey! I'm a confused drunk but I'm not atheist!

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Atheist are always portrayed as confused drunks.
Yeah!
.....wait....
What?

But you're not confused when you're drinking.

re: #14 gromster

i'm so sorry to hear this bad news abt. your mother's illness. i hope she improves and soon feels well enough to come home. praying for your whole family.

re: #14 gromster

prayers going up

Mirriam-Webster provides unexpected information:

les·bi·an \'lez-b%u0113-en\, adjective
  1 often capitalized : of or relating to Lesbos
  2 [from the reputed homosexual band associated with Sappho of
   Lesbos] : of or relating to homosexuality between females

Sappho had a band? Who knew?

re: #34 HelloDare

They did!

But Sappho is lovely.

Kinda like -

Next time you pillage a village - Kill All the Men and Rape All the Women -
AND THIS TIME GET IT RIGHT!

-S-

re: #25 Dianna

I have never felt that her poetry is limited as being about love between women.

Neither have I ...and my BIL, a classics scholar, agrees with us.

re: #48 Opilio

Mirriam-Webster provides unexpected information:

Sappho had a band? Who knew?

You know. "Closer to Fine".

So a sapphire is a lesbian's anger?

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Atheist are always portrayed as confused drunks.
Yeah!
.....wait....
What?

Hells bells, I went on my beer run during the last thread, and came home with $150 worth of crap.

re: #54 Bob in Breckenridge

Hells bells, I went on my beer run during the last thread, and came home with $150 worth of crap.

Must be that fancy coffee.

re: #54 Bob in Breckenridge

Coors?

re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Personally, I think of the Oh God of hangovers, whose followers witness him by holding their head in their hands and saying, "Oh, god."

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Must be that fancy coffee.

re: #56 spikester

Coors?

LOL, no and no.

re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You know. "Closer to Fine".

Oh wow, when I was in college my friends and I wore that Indigo Girls album out. Still think it's great music. The whole Sapphic love thing, not so much.

I also like Billy Bragg. I'm a weird right-winger.

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Aarrr!

re: #58 Bob in Breckenridge

Buckhorn?

re: #6 blame canada

does anyone know what "sapphic" means?

Sappho (pronounced /%u02C8sæfo%u028A/ in English; Attic Greek %u03A3%u03B1%u03C0%u03C6%u03CE IPA: [sap%u02D0%u02B0%u0254%u02D0], Aeolic Greek %u03A8%u03AC%u03C0%u03C6%u03C9 [psap%u02D0%u02B0%u0254%u02D0]) was an Ancient Greek lyric poet, born on the island of Lesbos. In history and poetry texts, she is sometimes associated with the city of Mytilene on Lesbos (Carson 2002); she was also said to have been born in Eresos, another city on Lesbos. Her birth was sometime between 630 BC and 612 BC, and it is said that she died around 570 BC. The bulk of her poetry, which was well-known and greatly admired throughout antiquity, has been lost, but her immense reputation has endured through surviving fragments.

re: #57 Dianna

Kneel, pray, repeat. Atheists do it too.

since what I was actually thinking was: ‘Andrew really wants to have Barack Obama’s f*cking child’. Clearly some confusion of categories on my part.”

That is hilarious.

re: #51 wolfie

Good; I'd worried that the fashion had gone to (essentially) dismissing and limiting Sappho to being a (modern definition) lesbian.

I didn't know/ remember that Sullivan was supposedly a conservative. I guess the cat's out of the bag/ closet on that myth.

Thanks everyone for the prayers and well- wishes.

I have always been very close to my mom, so this has been very difficult.

re: #57 Dianna

Personally, I think of the Oh God of hangovers, whose followers witness him by holding their head in their hands and saying, "Oh, god."

And, when you are throwing up drunk it is called "Praising the porcelan Goddess" (if you made it to the bathroom), otherwise it is known as "Selling Buicks".

re: #33 Bob in Breckenridge

/He'd have to fight Chris Matthews and his tingling leg, but then again, I'd rather NOT see that fight.

The whole thing is rather disturbing. It is sending me to my chamber fore to take a slumber.
"Good night sweet Lizards, parting is such sweet sorrow that I could ..."
Oh screw it! y'all have a great night & lets meet for fruit cup tomorrow.

For when Sullivan was stuck for words on an American news discussion programme last week, he was confronted by the acerbic polemicist Christopher Hitchens. "Don't be such a lesbian," intervened Mr Hitchens. "Get on with it."

I love how they assume Mr. Hitchens was "stuck for words". Somehow, I doubt that- I think he knew exactly what he was saying, as his "clarification" demonstrates.

re: #57 Dianna

Personally, I think of the Oh God of hangovers, whose followers witness him by holding their head in their hands and saying, "Oh, god."

but those that wake up with a hang over know that's the worst they will feel all day.

/jus sayin

Obama seems to exist at the center of a swirl of madness.

re: #14 gromster

You have my prayers.
I am dealing with much the same thing.
TIAs are happening with more frequency.
My Mom had one Sunday, and I thought she had died.
She was incoherent for about 7-8 minutes, but was OK when she came out of the "fog".
It is never easy to lose a parent.

re: #6 blame canada

does anyone know what "sapphic" means?

Sapphic
1501, from Fr. saphique, from L. Sapphicus, from Gk. Sapphikos "of Sappho," in ref. to Sappho, poetess of the isle of Lesbos c.600 B.C.E. Especially in reference to her characteristic meters; sense of "pertaining to sexual relations between women" is from 1890 (see lesbian).

re: #63 Killgore Trout

I'm not an atheist.

I still don't pray.

re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And, when you are throwing up drunk it is called "Praising the porcelan Goddess" (if you made it to the bathroom), otherwise it is known as "Selling Buicks".

I doubt I want to know the answer to this, but why?

re: #72 Ojoe

"swirl of madness"

from shit heads come shit storms

Shappo poems:

Please

Come back to me, Gongyla, here tonight,
You, my rose, with your Lydian lyre.
There hovers forever around you delight:
A beauty desired.

Even your garment plunders my eyes.
I am enchanted: I who once
Complained to the Cyprus-born goddess,
Whom I now beseech

Never to let this lose me grace
But rather bring you back to me:
Amongst all mortal women the one
I most wish to see.

--Translated by Paul Roche

To Atthis

Though in Sardis now,
she things of us constantly

and of the life we shared.
She saw you as a goddess
and above all your dancing gave her deep joy.

Now she shines among Lydian women like
the rose-fingered moon
rising after sundown, erasing all

stars around her, and pouring light equally
across the salt sea
and over densely flowered fields

lucent under dew. Her light spreads
on roses and tender thyme
and the blooming honey-lotus.

Often while she wanders she remem-
bers you, gentle Atthis,
and desire eats away at her heart

for us to come.

--Translated by Willis Barnstone

To Andromeda

That country girl has witched your wishes,
all dressed up in her country clothes
and she hasn't got the sense
to hitch her rags above her ankles.

--Translated by Jim Powell

Enh.

re: #71 hayseed

but those that wake up with a hang over know that's the worst they will feel all day.

/jus sayin

Was it Winston Churchill who said, "And Madam, in the morning I will be sober, and you will still be ugly."

re: #14 gromster

God bless you and your family.

re: #70 Sharmuta

I love how they assume Mr. Hitchens was "stuck for words". Somehow, I doubt that- I think he knew exactly what he was saying, as his "clarification" demonstrates.

It was Mr. Sullivan that was said to be "stuck".

re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You definitely need to read Pratchett's Hogfather!

re: #69 opnion

LOL ! Goodnight!

re: #14 gromster

Prayers to you, anyway it turns out it will be hard, I speak from experience

re: #79 HelloDare

Shappo poems:

Enh.

Was he Sappho's brother?

As for Hitchens, I think the 21st century is teaching him that conservatism is not a phenomenon produced soley by religion; clear reasoning can produce it as well.

re: #76 Fat Jolly Penguin

Onomatopoeia.

re: #70 Sharmuta

Ah...the quote indicates that it was Sullivan that was stuck?

re: #70 Sharmuta

I love how they assume Mr. Hitchens was "stuck for words". Somehow, I doubt that- I think he knew exactly what he was saying, as his "clarification" demonstrates.

Bull's eye!

re: #72 Ojoe

Obama seems to exist at the center of a swirl of madness.

He is the epicenter of madness.

re: #82 Opilio

Thanks. My bad.

re: #71 hayseed

I wouldn't know.

/hypocrisy

re: #61 spikester

Buckhorn?

Steinlager, from New Zealand.

re: #76 Fat Jolly Penguin

Driving the porcelain bus, if you make it to the bathroom, it is also called.

Calling Ralph on the big white phone ...

Carolyn,
Prayers to you and your Mom as well.
Hang in there. I lost my Mom last year after a very long illness. It was a blessing for her but a heartache for us.

re: #88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh my.

Bit of the jug there.

re: #95 Ojoe

Hollering Roy!

re: #94 Bob in Breckenridge

Thank you.
---note to self---

Never buy Steinlager, from New Zealand.

re: #88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Onomatopoeia.

Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

re: #14 gromster

OT/ Prayer Request
My mom is still in the hospital and seems to be doing worse. I thought this would be her last week there and that she'd come home today or this Monday, but it looks like she'll be there all this next week as well (and maybe longer).

Mom is even more depressed now, and cries a lot every day. She's lost even more weight and is down to 80 some odd pounds.

She won't eat. There doesn't seem to be a physical reason; she can swallow just fine. We think it's a psychological thing.

She'll chew up a bit of solid food but then spits it out. My dad asks her why, and she says she doesn't know. He's told her that she's starving to death; she says she knows, but she just can't bring herself to eat.

She sometimes drinks a little bit of "Ensure Plus." We don't know how much more skinny she has to get before the doctors put some kind of tube in her to get nutrients into her.

The doctors think she may have had a stroke, and she appears to have seizures at times, but that may be due to not getting enough blood to her head (she passes out anytime she stands up).

The doctors keep giving her all sorts of medications, hoping one of them will help her, but I don't think they really know what to do for her.

Please pray for my Mom's recovery, and my dad and me could also use prayers. Thank you.

(For more information, please see my old post, #208 in an old LGF thread)

Your mom and the rest of your family are in my prayers.

re: #95 Ojoe

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uggggh! I'm sorry I asked!

re: #91 crimsonfisted

There seems to me to be a more Dantesque quality to it as time goes on.

re: #14 gromster

OT/ Prayer Request
My mom is still in the hospital and seems to be doing worse. I thought this would be her last week there and that she'd come home today or this Monday, but it looks like she'll be there all this next week as well (and maybe longer)....

Please pray for my Mom's recovery, and my dad and me could also use prayers. Thank you.

(For more information, please see my old post, #208 in an old LGF thread)

Gromster - prayers being said for your Mom and also for your family to have strength to deal with with this. I am so very sorry you are going through this. My dad broke his hip in December, had surgery that went well, but he also has gone into some sort of depression and isn't eating and has lost a lot of weight. It is so very difficult to watch a parent who has become ill - again, you will be in my prayers daily.

Checked the LGF archives and on a Mar.18 thread Sullivan in his review of Obamas Race speech, called it searing, gut wrenching and nuanced. The LGFers pretty much called Sullivans response a "man crush" on Obama. I think we were snarkastic first.

re: #79 HelloDare

It's better in Greek. I promise.

re: #97 Fat Jolly Penguin

See? Very simple. When you have the runs it is "Riding the porcelean Honda" that takes both the visual and the Onomatopoeia into consideration.

Gosh, sorry guys. I am being disgusting.

re: #96 newsjunkie_ky

Carolyn,
Prayers to you and your Mom as well.
Hang in there. I lost my Mom last year after a very long illness. It was a blessing for her but a heartache for us.

Thank you.
Moms are supposed to always be there aren't they?
It is hard.

You cannot lesbian subtext your way into Mordor.

re: #95 Ojoe

Calling Ralph on the big white phone ...

Thats the 3:00 AM Fone Caw!

re: #14 gromster

I'm so very sorry. My Dad went through a brief phase of not eating about 2 1/2 years before he passed away, so I can certainly understand what you're going through. Personally, I don't think that this as uncommon as it seems (the not eating), especially with geriatric patients.

If at any time you feel that the doctors aren't performing to your satisfaction, scream bloody murder and get new doctors. It's your right.

Also sending prayers out to all of you.

re: #109 Carolyn

Thank you.
Moms are supposed to always be there aren't they?
It is hard.

Yep.

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yesterday while looking at pics of Wales on flickr, I ran into this Cardiff street scene, (man 'hollering roy' caught by accident in the background) and a new word (third comment down) to describe it.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
/squeamish warning

re: #104 Ojoe

There seems to me to be a more Dantesque quality to it as time goes on.

And it will increase exponentially until the Dem convention and then on to November.

Whatever faults Chris Hitchens has - and I think he has many - there's no doubt that he is a brilliant man. And btw, I don't think his description (drunken or not?) of Andrew Sullivan is far off base. Sullivan has strayed far afield of what he once seemed to be.

Maybe Hitch and AS should have a debate about it. If so, forget about Sully, he ain't winnin that one.

1. Prayers for Mom.
2. Many more prayers for Mom.
3. Hitch must be in a jealous mood, eh!

re: #75 Dianna

I've been curious about your religious beliefs for a while. I'll drag you out of your shell sooner or later.

re: #106 snowcrash

The first person I ever heard use the word "Snarky" was Tony Snow. Really admire him (he called me a genius once). Got to know me a little better, never called me a genius again.

re: #112 shibumi

Back in the 90's, my dad (after his bypass surgery) couldn't keep anything down. It was terrifying.

Sort of like mud wrestling. I guess I want Hichens to win, but there is no money on it. And in this case all the fat is in the wrong places.

re: #64 Tasty Beverage

That is hilarious.

The best part is that it's coming out of Hitchens, who always sounds so English and absolutely droll to me.

And Sullivan probably does want to have Obama's f*cking child.

re: #114 jaunte

Hee Hee!

Now for some really tasteless humor, I give you "The Shit List".

Don't go there unless you are prepared.

re: #106 snowcrash

I confirm

re: #116 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I haven't read a whole lot of Sillivan but I'm always left wondering "why am I reading this?" when done. I guess I haven't been reading him long enough to understand why he was ever considered a "conservative".

re: #112 shibumi

I'm so very sorry. My Dad went through a brief phase of not eating about 2 1/2 years before he passed away, so I can certainly understand what you're going through. Personally, I don't think that this as uncommon as it seems (the not eating), especially with geriatric patients.

This is true - many elderly people do stop eating; and usually, they are not hungry and feel no discomfort from the lack of food. We took my dad to a gastroenterologist to see about a feeding tube - the doc told me many elderly people stop eating, and that the feeding tube we were seeking would likely be an additional aggravation rather than anything else.

re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I always thought a boker was a knife.

re: #14 gromster

I'll keep all of you in my thoughts and prayers.

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Simply, I won't discuss them because of my Male.

On this one point, however, I can elaborate:

The gods are our witnesses; and our reward, if earned, is just that: earned.

We may dedicate an act to a god, but we may not ask their intervention.

Just read the post:

BWAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA!

Hitchens, you silly goose.

re: #119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have always had a crush on Tony Snow. I think he is brilliant. I'm very jealous.

re: #14 gromster

prayers for all your family

I think Drudge has an Obama crush too. Notice how fast the story about "gun loving Christians" disappeared? He also didn't cover the Wright scandal very well.

re: #124 newsjunkie_ky

Aw, we were just getting past the puking conversation, and then you had to bring this crap into the thread!

/pun intended

re: #120 Dianna

Back in the 90's, my dad (after his bypass surgery) couldn't keep anything down. It was terrifying.

It's horrible to see a parent get ill, especially a parent that that you're close to. I still sometimes have a hard time talking about my Dad's passing, even though it's been almost a year and a half.

re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

that's funny

well sullivan was pretty goo-goo gaga over hussein.
teenagers are like that.

re: #107 Dianna

It's better in Greek. I promise.

You read classical Greek?!
I have always wanted to learn it! This summer I am taking it....a sort of intensified tutorial. I'm excited, but a little intimidated by those squiggly letters.
I do know Latin well, so it's not like declensions, etc. will be a new concept.
Still,..........

re: #130 Dianna

I have ways of making you talk. Not tonight.
...soon

re: #134 Killgore Trout

I think Drudge has an Obama crush too. Notice how fast the story about "gun loving Christians" disappeared? He also didn't cover the Wright scandal very well.

Fair weather conservatives, blowing away with the wind.

re: #135 Fat Jolly Penguin

I was in a meeting once when my boss brought in the 'list'. He had enough copies for us all. I've never laughed so much in my life. We read them out loud.
And I'm a girl.

re: #136 shibumi

I'm so sorry; I hope I didn't open any wounds.

My dad passed in November of '07; he'd known for some time that it could happen at any time, and he was (essentially) prepared. It's been hard on my mother, though.

Question to anyone/everyone. What do you honestly believe the chances of Hillary throwing in the towel before the Dem convention?

a) 10%, if Obama sweeps the remaining primaries
b) 1%, if all remaining superdelegates commit to Obama
c) 0%, she's metaphysically incapable of accepting defeat
d) pie.

re: #141 Thanos

Fair weather conservatives, blowing away with the wind.

It seems the 'tent' has gotten a tad large...

Hitchens rules

re: #132 newsjunkie_ky

I have always had a crush on Tony Snow. I think he is brilliant. I'm very jealous.

Was reeeeeaaalllly exagerating there for the joke. Called into his radio show once (before white house stint) and made a point he liked (and an excellent point at that). He called me a genius. He hasn't called me a genius since because that was the only time I have ever spoken to him.

I love Tony Snow more than Chris Matthews loves Obama.

I am such a lesbian.

re: #124 newsjunkie_ky

been awhile since i read that one...and I'm still busting a gut

re: #141 Thanos

I'm not conservative. Hitch certainly isn't. Why are Sullivan and Drudge sucked in by Obama while Hitch and I remain unaffected?

re: #70 Sharmuta

I love how they assume Mr. Hitchens was "stuck for words". Somehow, I doubt that- I think he knew exactly what he was saying, as his "clarification" demonstrates.

Exactly. Not only do I think Hitchens knew exactly what he was saying (he is a writer- words are his stock and trade) I also think he's having a bit of fun with this "clarification."

re: #136 shibumi

It's horrible to see a parent get ill, especially a parent that that you're close to. I still sometimes have a hard time talking about my Dad's passing, even though it's been almost a year and a half.

My Grandmother passed away in the 60's sometime. My mother thinks of her EVERY DAY. I bake bread because suddenly I am 4 years old again in her kitchen when I smell bread baking. I will never be a bread baker like my sainted grandmother. I bake molasses cookies because it reminds me of my GREAT grandmother's house. She always had them out on a plate that I could not reach. I was three. I still remember. I hope to pass that on.

re: #146 Patrizio

I disagree but pulsed anyways.

re: #73 Carolyn

You have my prayers.
I am dealing with much the same thing.
TIAs are happening with more frequency.
My Mom had one Sunday, and I thought she had died.
She was incoherent for about 7-8 minutes, but was OK when she came out of the "fog".
It is never easy to lose a parent.

so sorry {carolyn}. it is a difficult time when they begin to fade.

re: #152 Killgore Trout

I disagree but pulsed anyways.

What did you pulse about?

re: #139 wolfie

Not well. Badly, in fact. Er...try abysmally, come to that.

I've worked with some people, though, who have read Sappho to me; it's clear from the meter, and the sound, that the poems are brilliant. Even in translation, look for the density of image; it won't always come across clearly, but you can find people who read and speak Greek, and can help you by reading you the poems in Greek.

re: #149 Killgore Trout

I'm not conservative. Hitch certainly isn't. Why are Sullivan and Drudge sucked in by Obama while Hitch and I remain unaffected?

ah, but KT you only think you are not a conservative - it is but a grand delusion.

re: #143 Dianna

I'm so sorry; I hope I didn't open any wounds.

My dad passed in November of '07; he'd known for some time that it could happen at any time, and he was (essentially) prepared. It's been hard on my mother, though.

It's OK Diana.

My Dad was sick for a very, very long time, but when he passed away there was no warning. I know he's happier where he is now.

It's been hard on my Mom as well; she just does the best she can. It's all any of us can do to cope.

re: #144 Opilio

Question to anyone/everyone. What do you honestly believe the chances of Hillary throwing in the towel before the Dem convention?

a) 10%, if Obama sweeps the remaining primaries
b) 1%, if all remaining superdelegates commit to Obama
c) 0%, she's metaphysically incapable of accepting defeat
d) pie.

You left out

e) Conspiracy to commit murder.

re: #149 Killgore Trout

I'm not conservative. Hitch certainly isn't. Why are Sullivan and Drudge sucked in by Obama while Hitch and I remain unaffected?

Well you certainly suck at being a liberal then...:)

re: #14 gromster

Don't be afraid of a feeding tube...they can use a nasal gastric tube temporarily before deciding on a g-tube (gastrostomy). It's not so terrible...I know a lot about it. Sorry that things are so tough, and I hope she gets better.

. re: #144 Opilio

Question to anyone/everyone. What do you honestly believe the chances of Hillary throwing in the towel before the Dem convention?

a) 10%, if Obama sweeps the remaining primaries
b) 1%, if all remaining superdelegates commit to Obama
c) 0%, she's metaphysically incapable of accepting defeat
d) pie.

C.

(What kind of pie?)

re: #149 Killgore Trout

I'm not conservative. Hitch certainly isn't. Why are Sullivan and Drudge sucked in by Obama while Hitch and I remain unaffected?

It's the water.

re: #149 Killgore Trout

I'm not conservative. Hitch certainly isn't. Why are Sullivan and Drudge sucked in by Obama while Hitch and I remain unaffected?

Because you and Hitchens aren't dumber than a sack of hammers?

I might need to change my avatar: Hitch

Maybe I'll wait 'till the Trifeldge Putinard's visit is over with next month.

re: #144 Opilio

Question to anyone/everyone. What do you honestly believe the chances of Hillary throwing in the towel before the Dem convention?

a) 10%, if Obama sweeps the remaining primaries
b) 1%, if all remaining superdelegates commit to Obama
c) 0%, she's metaphysically incapable of accepting defeat
d) pie.

c- She has nothing to lose by going on, and anything can happen.
d- How sweet of you to offer, but I simply can't. I had a birthday cupcake
on the last thread!

Night everyone!

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Because they loooovvvveeeee him.

re: #152 Killgore Trout

I disagree but pulsed anyways.

At least you didn't tingle.

Excuse me; I'm joining my Male outside for a bit.

Just curious, what evidence has Andrew Sullivan ever given of being conservative?

/or is he like Newt, just changing his stripes with the political wind?

re: #156 Thanos

ah, but KT you only think you are not a conservative - it is but a grand delusion.

Let's not make this thread about me but Gay marriage, godlessness, pro-abortion, I love embryonic stem cells, hate creationism, etc. C'mon.

Gromster, praying for your darling Mom..

re: #161 MandyManners

. C.

(What kind of pie?)

Doesn't matter. Mrs. O says you have to much pie anyway. She's gonna take some away. (at least she's gonna try)

#67 Gromster:
I'm so sorry to hear about your mom. Carolyn as well. My own mom had a TIA a few years ago. I swear they're still going on but getting anyone to admit to it is seriously beating my head against a wall. Thankfully she doesn't drive anymore.

Gromster, I feel like your mom should have already been put on a feeding tube. It sounds like she's had some kind of brain damage (probably from a stroke as the doctors said) that keeps her from being able to process that particular signal from her brain properly. It certainly won't get better if she's malnourished. A feeding tube sounds like the only way.

Don't let the docs give you the runaround. Get in their faces and tell them you want five pounds on your mom within the week. They may not know the ultimate problem (stroke, psychological problem, etc) but they do know she's starving to death and they can treat that. Get a lawyer if you have to.

My MIL was in the hospital recently with MRSA in her lungs and if my husband hadn't gone there and yanked some chains she wouldn't have made it out alive.

Anyway, didn't mean to lecture, your post just pushed my button I guess.

I'm praying for you and please don't forget to update us.

re: #173 Opilio

Doesn't matter. Mrs. O says you have to much pie anyway. She's gonna take some away. (at least she's gonna try)

I'll slap that WAB if she touches my pie.

re: #100 spikester

Thank you.
---note to self---

Never buy Steinlager, from New Zealand.

Why not?

re: #155 Dianna

Well, "not well" is a step ahead of me! And w/ just a summer to work on it, I'll be happy to get that far!

re: #159 Oh no...Sand People!

I see now reason to "conserve" traditional values. The past sucked; slavery, segregation, opression, antisemitism, etc. I may be many things but nobody has convinced me of my conservatism.
If you're going to do it better hurry up. Coals fired, Lamb getting ready to go on.

re: #166 Fat Jolly Penguin

Goodnight! Don't forget your ice bath!

re: #175 MandyManners

WAB? Wide Assed Bitch? Wazza WAB?

re: #151 crimsonfisted

My Grandmother passed away in the 60's sometime. My mother thinks of her EVERY DAY. I bake bread because suddenly I am 4 years old again in her kitchen when I smell bread baking. I will never be a bread baker like my sainted grandmother. I bake molasses cookies because it reminds me of my GREAT grandmother's house. She always had them out on a plate that I could not reach. I was three. I still remember. I hope to pass that on.

There are downsides to being in a close family- you feel the pain of loss so much harder, yet there are so many good memories that can comfort you. It's something you can't really explain to people who live in more distant families. Sometimes I think that those people have lead their lives on a more superficial plane since they either can't have or choose not to have genuine intimate relationships.

re: #164 Killgore Trout

I might need to change my avatar: Hitch

Maybe I'll wait 'till the Trifeldge Putinard's visit is over with next month.

Great, but please don't. I click your avatar often just for the chuckle.

re: #149 Killgore Trout

I'm not conservative. Hitch certainly isn't. Why are Sullivan and Drudge sucked in by Obama while Hitch and I remain unaffected?

I'm not trying to be noisy, you don't have to answer me if you don't want to. Do you have a father and mother you personal know? If so did they bring you up in any believe system' Other than Santa and easter bunny.. Was there a trauma in your life? Did you seek professional help? I like you . Just been here awhile wishing i could understand you! I'm sorry if i being to personal!

/Those "Viva Viagra" commercials are downers.

re: #171 Killgore Trout

Let's not make this thread about me but Gay marriage, godlessness, pro-abortion, I love embryonic stem cells, hate creationism, etc. C'mon.

List out every problem and conundrum you'll find lizards on both sides of each issue. I have no respect for anyone who looks at the conservative/liberal scoreboard before they decide how to think/vote on an issue.

Hey all, I'm back from movie land and switched to CSPAN BookTV. Ever heard of Grover Norquist "Leave Us Alone". This guy is hilarious. I'm buying the book--I think he has some good ideas, but I really am appreciative of the laughs.

What are we talking about now?

re: #171 Killgore Trout

Let's not make this thread about me but Gay marriage, godlessness, pro-abortion, I love embryonic stem cells, hate creationism, etc. C'mon.

Well I am with you on everything but embryonic stem cells, and favor gay civil union but not marriage. I call myself a conservative but some would argue.
My arguments vs. embryonic are based on science and reason. That said, it's time to spend some Q time with my wonderful wife. See you all later.

re: #183 beachkatie

Katie- Let it go. :)

re: #186 ggt

What movie? Huh? Huh? What? Did you like it? Was it four stars? Huh? Huh?

sorry, we've been all over the place.

re: #26 HelloDare

When is Sullivan going to come out of the closet and admit he's a liberal. He's not fooling anybody.

I think he does that so that all his MSM buds can claim to have a conservative as a friend.

re: #188 Bob in Breckenridge

Katie- Let it go. :)

He will aways be a mystery!

re: #190 Captain Hate

Great nic!

re: #191 beachkatie

He will aways be a mystery!

An enigma wrapped in a mystery...with a sweet, buttery riddle center.

re: #178 Killgore Trout

I see now reason to "conserve" traditional values. The past sucked; slavery, segregation, opression, antisemitism, etc. I may be many things but nobody has convinced me of my conservatism.
If you're going to do it better hurry up. Coals fired, Lamb getting ready to go on.

Do you believe in American Sovereignty i.e.: National Defense?

Do you believe in small government?

If you believe in one or two of these, you are at least 1 or 2 of the legs that uphold the 'conservative' stool.

The Social Con...that's a giant opinion. I keep mine out of it as much as possible.

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kid wanted me to watch a movie with him. Awakenings with Robin Williams. He liked it. I've seen it before.

re: #180 M. Bensson-Levi

WAB? Wide Assed Bitch? Wazza WAB?

WhineyAssBitch.

re: #182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll still keep in in rotation.

re: #124 newsjunkie_ky

which category does sully fit?

re: #195 ggt

Kid wanted me to watch a movie with him. Awakenings with Robin Williams. He liked it. I've seen it before.

DeNiro...thought it was under-rated. Cool.

re: #194 Oh no...Sand People!

If you believe in one or two of these, you are at least 1 or 2 of the legs that uphold the 'conservative' stool.

LOL

Hubby reports that it is snowing in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland. He is usually a reliable witness.

re: #175 MandyManners

I'll slap that WAB if she touches my pie.

I would like to witness that, if it's ok with you.

Kutcher is wearing a kaffiyeh, in the opening monologue of SNL.

Asswipe.

re: #196 MandyManners

WhineyAssBitch.

obama...WAB.....white and black

re: #194 Oh no...Sand People!

What is small government?

re: #191 beachkatie

He will aways be a mystery!

I have a friend who tilts as much to the right as I do, and he's an atheist. The one thing we NEVER discuss is religion.

re: #178 Killgore Trout

I see now reason to "conserve" traditional values. The past sucked; slavery, segregation, opression, antisemitism, etc. I may be many things but nobody has convinced me of my conservatism.
If you're going to do it better hurry up. Coals fired, Lamb getting ready to go on.

I've never been comfy with the title of conservative. It's really the other side that wants to preserve the stone age practices of beating up people and taking their stuff.

re: #203 garycooper

Kutcher is wearing a kaffiyeh, in the opening monologue of SNL.

Asswipe.

Kutcher is a talentless twit.

OK, it's been decided - we're headed for bed.

Take care, have fun, and drink lots of water if you're drinking!

re: #194 Oh no...Sand People!

If you believe in one or two of these, you are at least 1 or 2 of the legs that uphold the 'conservative' stool.

Oh no! We're going back to a "poop" thread.

re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

An enigma wrapped in a mystery...with a sweet, buttery riddle center.

Hey, don't do that it is to late for a snack ... I still on this stupid diet after i quit smoking.. My body is so sore from exercising! Only aloud 2 glasses of wine! I am feaster now! :(

www.king5.com...] target="_blank">

The Dali Lama in Seattle.SEATTLE - Addressing an audience of thousands at Qwest Field today, the Dalai Lama called for nonviolent dialogue as an answer to global, community and family problems.

"Many problem essentially are own creation; therefore logically, we must have the ability to eliminate this problem," the exiled Buddhist spiritual leader of Tibet said. "It is our own interest and responsibility to make this century should be century of dialogue."

That dialog is sure working out with the ChiComs. The Islamists certainly have indicted a willings for talk too.

re: #208 Opilio

Kutcher is a talentless twit.

Married to a much older talentless twit too.

re: #151 crimsonfisted

My Grandmother passed away in the 60's sometime. My mother thinks of her EVERY DAY. I bake bread because suddenly I am 4 years old again in her kitchen when I smell bread baking. I will never be a bread baker like my sainted grandmother. I bake molasses cookies because it reminds me of my GREAT grandmother's house. She always had them out on a plate that I could not reach. I was three. I still remember. I hope to pass that on.

I bake up a storm. When my grandkids visit, we make pizza together, and for Sabbath, we bake our own challah. I took in my mixer (a 30 year old Kitchen Aid for some repairs, the guy said it would be good as new for another 30 years. I just love baking.

re: #196 MandyManners

That works.

re: #178 Killgore Trout

I see now reason to "conserve" traditional values. The past sucked; slavery, segregation, opression, antisemitism, etc. I may be many things but nobody has convinced me of my conservatism.
If you're going to do it better hurry up. Coals fired, Lamb getting ready to go on.

No, bringing back the past would actually be reactionary, not actually conservative. I'd think conservative is actually preserving what we have at the moment and making the best of it before trying something new.

I really don't like labels. I cut them out of all the clothing I buy.

I'm off like a herd of turtles.

G'night Mary Ellen!

re: #212 jcm

That dialog is sure working out with the ChiComs. The Islamists certainly have indicted a willings for talk too.

Linky.

re: #205 Roger

What is small government?

It's as far out of reality as the liberal utopia of communism...but I still want to pretend and dream...

re: #183 beachkatie

I'm not trying to be noisy, you don't have to answer me if you don't want to. Do you have a father and mother you personal know? If so did they bring you up in any believe system' Other than Santa and easter bunny.. Was there a trauma in your life? Did you seek professional help? I like you . Just been here awhile wishing i could understand you! I'm sorry if i being to personal!

Dad was Protestant, Mom was Catholic. I was raised Catholic and attended a few years of Catholic school. No early traumas but Dad died serving the country when I was about 15. I'd been an atheist/agnostic since about 2nd or 3rd grade so I don't think that was a factor. Mom's still pissed that I'm not Catholic but she's more critical of the Church than I am. Ironic, eh?

re: #198 blame canada

I think the 'wet'. No matter how we try to rid ourselves of him, he's still there.

I'm watching Stanley Cup play-offs and I wont reach for the remote for Kutcher, even during commercials.

NYTOL

Probably not a good time for this:
Bomb blast in Iran - 9 dead in mosque
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

re: #202 Opilio

I would like to witness that, if it's ok with you.

No one fucks with my pie.

Coals almost up to temp.

re: #217 ggt

I really don't like labels. I cut them out of all the clothing I buy.

don't tell anyone.......I removed the tag off my Mattress

re: #212 jcm

That dialog is sure working out with the ChiComs. The Islamists certainly have indicted a willings for talk too.

Well blog-pimping is in rather bad taste around here so I'll pimp someone else's blog:

"Apparently they haven't noticed that the path to peace for a free nation invariably goes over the dead bodies of would-be conquerors and their pet quislings [traitors]."

re: #203 garycooper

Kutcher is wearing a kaffiyeh, in the opening monologue of SNL.

Asswipe.

Did they open with Obama and Hillary again?...or should I just erase the damn thing? If I see that little poopstain wearing the scarf, I'll barf (praise the porcelean goddess). The Hill/Obama thing is the only reason why I record it.

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Fancy that. My mom's a critic of the Catholic church (too "ritualistic!") but is a devout Born Again who goes anyway because "we all need a place to worship."

Been an agnostic (I'm a don't-know-if-exists, not a deny-He-exists) after growing very harshly disillusioned with religion's entanglement with politics (and how a deposed ex-President was pardoned for capital plunder recently...)

re: #204 hayseed

obama...WAB.....white and black

I prefer my version but, yours is good, too.

re: #25 Dianna

I have never felt that her poetry is limited as being about love between women.

I believe you are correct. Tufts.edu seems to be unaccessible right now; otherwise I'd paste in some lines from her poetry that convey just how much the lover--man to woman, woman to woman, man to man--when truly a lover and not just one who wishes to relieve the itch--aspires to merge not only physically with the beloved but also to honor the mutual recognition that only two self-sustaining subjective consciousnesses can share.

In this regard, Sappho, although using the emotionally charged language of poetry, initiated a sublime tradition that later Jesus of Nazareth took up in the saying [paraphrasing], "When two are gathered in My Name, I am with them." It was left to the the German Idealists, particularly Hegel, to render this language conceptually: when the Idea has achieved its full development, Concept and Actuality [Subject and Object] are mutually implicative, even while they retain their distinctness.

Yes, yes, upon hearing this Hegel stuff, the forceps of many Lizards are reaching for the down ding; but to return to Sappho: in an Homeric age, when so much of recited poetry was focused on the conflicts of armies, she initiated the public explication of the kind of mutual recognition that can exist even today only privately in moments of personal but too frequently confused passion.

re: #228 hayseed

YOU didn't!

Some may need this song more than others tonight.

re: #226 MandyManners

No one fucks with my pie.

Coconut Cream is my Favorite.

re: #231 laZardo

Fancy that. My mom's a critic of the Catholic church (too "ritualistic!") but is a devout Born Again who goes anyway because "we all need a place to worship."

Been an agnostic (I'm a don't-know-if-exists, not a deny-He-exists) after growing very harshly disillusioned with religion's entanglement with politics (and how a deposed ex-President was pardoned for capital plunder recently...)

I got a book for you to read...actually a couple of them.

/ducks under desk...

re: #226 MandyManners

muff pie

re: #215 M. Bensson-Levi

That works.

Pretty good for a TWP who didn't go to an Ivy League school, eh?

re: #237 Oh no...Sand People!

No thanks, my family for some reason has an old 1970s-ish "The Meaning of the Glorious Koran" in a back corner of their bookshelf. (:

Speaking of religion, I'm currently being dragged off to church. Mainly because I'm headed to the mall to get some software after and I'm out of Light Rail tickets, so it's the only way I can get there. >_> See you later.

re: #236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Coconut Cream is my Favorite.

I fell in love pecan pie when a wargaming friend of mine bought one from an high-end supermarket.

re: #236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Coconut Cream is my Favorite.

Ginger's, or MaryAnn's?

re: #236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Coconut Cream is my Favorite.

Oh, my dad's mom made coconut pie to die for. Chocolate pie, too.

re: #240 laZardo

I never said it would be worth it...only that it was EASY...

/

Night. Everyone.

re: #238 hayseed

Huh?

re: #242 OldLineTexan

Ginger's, or MaryAnn's?

Mrs. Howell's. They didn't call her Howell for nuthin!

re: #226 MandyManners

No one fucks with my pie.

Michelle is eyeing your pie.

re: #237 Oh no...Sand People!

Speaking of which . . . . Is there an LGF book list or review section. If I had the talent I'd do it myself but I don't. I'd love a list of titles, authors and Lizard dings, perhaps comments.

Actually, it would be very easy. If Charles added a linky category "Books" --it would work.

Whad' ya say --should we ask Charles?

re: #241 The Other Les

I fell in love pecan pie when a wargaming friend of mine bought one from an high-end supermarket.

BOUGHT one?

How many recipes would you like?

re: #171 Killgore Trout

Perhaps you are not so much a conservative as simply a counter-revolutionary, a contra. Drawing broad strokes, I'd say that people on the (socialist) left differ in degree and their preferred means, but not in terms of first principles and ultimate goals. Hillary Clinton and Lenin are points on a continuum, as it were.
The term "right (wing)" is misleading because it implies a mirror image of the left and a uniformity that is not there. Benedict XVI and Milton Friedman are not starting from the same first principles. Ayn Rand and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn likewise! Yet they are all counter-revolutionaries...contras.
In positive terms, the one thing we do share is....no, wait, even that is negative! We adamantly reject the worship of the state, everything in the state, everything for the state, and nothing outside the state.
So I say you are a contra!

Never mind. I'm slow tonight.

re: #240 laZardo

No thanks, my family for some reason has an old 1970s-ish "The Meaning of the Glorious Koran" in a back corner of their bookshelf. (:

Speaking of religion, I'm currently being dragged off to church. Mainly because I'm headed to the mall to get some software after and I'm out of Light Rail tickets, so it's the only way I can get there. >_> See you later.

I haven't been dragged off to church since 1982. But that was at Fort Benning.

Strawberry-Rhubarb! or nothing.

re: #248 ggt

Last comment:

It would be kind a cool if he could put in each Lizards account a 'book list' that if you scroll over your avatar or something it could show what you recommend...Or something executed better than that.

Later all.

re: #247 jcm

Michelle is eyeing your pie.

She should keep to her own pie, the Socialist asshole.

re: #249 OldLineTexan

BOUGHT one?

How many recipes would you like?

I'll have to take a rain check on that as that I have no way to bake anything at the moment.

re: #249 OldLineTexan

My Grandpa was a pecan farmer way down in Alabama. I likes me some pecan pie.

re: #241 The Other Les

I fell in love pecan pie when a wargaming friend of mine bought one from an high-end supermarket.

Bought pie?
Sacrilege.

re: #254 Oh no...Sand People!

I want a sock puppet, troll, and fake lizard graveyard. Little stones and everything. Would be a hoot.

re: #254 Oh no...Sand People!
Kinda like Oprahs book club,, only a lizard bookworm library?
LOL. That would be cool!

re: #254 Oh no...Sand People!

Wow, that's an idea. But I'm looking for Lizard opinion --so the linky system would work for that.

re: #245 MandyManners

never mind

re: #257 Mich-again

My Grandpa was a pecan farmer way down in Alabama. I likes me some pecan pie.

There's a grove in League City that my grandfather planted. But he was workign for someone else at the time.

Except, Oprah is an idiot too!