They pay him bi-weekly.

Isn't this a gross violation of the Logan Act?

President Weirod

Meeting in secret?

The asshole has been selling out his country for years too! Given the chance the SOB would sell out the free world.

Can we impeach him?

This has to be treason.

re: #6 reno911

Can we impeach him?

Nope. Can't even stop his retirement pay...

Tucking fool, clueless fadwuck. We'd be better off if his mama keep the afterbirth.

*spit*

re: #6 reno911

Can we impeach him?

...or commit him?

I would say "wow" but im not surprised

Well this explains a lot.

I'd love to see him denied readmittance to the States.

"And they haven't yet taken my head!"

/kill me last

Send Nancy Pelosi w/him.

The man may be delusional but he's got to earn his paycheck from his masters.

He said he's 'at ease' with genocidal madmen. Who are we to judge?

Don't worry folks, if they take him hostage, we'll have 444 days to get him home.

Jimmy Carter. I can't think of something bad enough to say, to match.

Carter is the worst ex president in my lifetime-BTW Truman was president when I was born

Hamas helped him write his latest book. Bunch of meeting just for that.

re: #18 rupert

Don't worry folks, if they take him hostage, we'll have 444 days to get him home.

Why the hurry?

re: #22 solomonpanting

good question.

However, the only thing that was positive from the Carter Admin was that my whole family went Republican.

Do we really have to let him back into the country?

re: #18 rupert

to get him home.

?

Why?

“I’ve been meeting with Hamas leaders for years,” Carter said.

I want to know more about these meetings. How long have they been going on? Where were they held? Here in the US? I'm positive this is illegal. Anyone meeting with terrorist organizations is breaking the law. He's no longer acting in an official capacity. Is this legal?

re: #20 Shakey Jakey

Carter is the worst ex president in my lifetime-BTW Truman was president when I was born

Re: Truman, same here.
Re: Carter, the worst President in my lifetime, period.

I can't wait till JC is gone; so I can spit on his grave.

Somebody check his passport... I bet it says:

Citizen of: Dar al Islam

Peanut shuckin' surrender monkey.

"I've been meeting with Hamas leaders for years,"
OMG! Did I say that out loud? What if they find out about the money?

Think Mashaal will spooge on Jimmeh's face like he wants?

re: #18 rupert

Don't worry folks, if they take him hostage, we'll have 444 days to get him home.

Why doesn't he just stay with them, where he belongs.../he really needs to be in a very, very hot climate.

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Lately the question seems less about what's legal, and more about what laws we have the will to enforce.

He's been meeting with Hamas for years, must be the coordinator of the undeground tunnel construction.

Also what was discussed at these meetings? Did he assist Hamas in any way or help them obtain funds? Did he use his influence to help them in any way?

"I've been meeting with Hamas leaders for years," Carter said.

How many more Democrats have been doing the same thing as Carter? Pelosi in Syria
Jay Rockerfeller in Syria as well right before we went into Iraq
Moran and company in Iraq with Saddam before we went in
Reps for Obama & Clinton in to Syria a few months ago
..... and on and on...
Really - who has their loyalty? Not looking like it's the good old U.S. of A

re: #27 solomonpanting

Yeah,should have specified president and ex-president

Just a joke, actually I was wondering...if a U.S. Citizen meets with a known terrorist group, isn't this against the law?

re: #20 Shakey Jakey

Carter is the worst ex president in my lifetime-BTW Truman was president when I was born

And he is also the worst in my lifetime..FDR was President when I was born.

re: #35 Killgore Trout

That concerns me as well

“Well, you can’t always get prerequisites adopted by other people before you even talk to them.”

Hell, Chamberlain met with Hitler, look how great that worked out.

re: #38 rupert

Just a joke, actually I was wondering...if a U.S. Citizen meets with a known terrorist group, isn't this against the law?

well journalists have been doing this for years and their reports have been seen on major primetime TV networks, so I guess not.

Meeting with terrorist for years?
Jimmy needs to be put on the Terrorist Watch List.

re: #32 NY Nana

I've thought that if they love terrorists so much, and the U.S. is such a terrorist state itself, why don't they put their money where their mouth is and move there?

But then what would we have to talk about?

Since the US knows where the meeting is, is there any reason that five seconds after Carter leaves the meeting the building couldn't be flattened with a couple of 1000lb bombs?

Is there any way we can get that frickin peace prize back?

This man certainly does not deserve it.

re: #41 mjazzguitar

He needs to start carrying an umbrella.

President Bush? You have an obligation concerning sedition and traitors.

April 10, 2008

JIMMY CARTER AND UNCONSCIOUS HATE

Manifest behavior is always the summation of competing wishes and inhibitions, most of which are unconscious. When someone makes a great show of his personal piety yet his manifest behavior is often damaging to others, it is worth wondering if he is expressing forbidden unconscious wishes in ways that are disguised and acceptable to himself. Jimmy Carter, our nation's worst ex-President, offers an excellent case in point.

Carter describes himself as a friend of Israel, only interested in Peace in the Middle East and the world. Yet he is now planning to meet with Khaled Meshal, one of the leaders of Hamas, an agent of genocide, in Damascus, the capital of a terror supporting and enabling state which oppresses its own people in ways that the left's fantasies of the Bush administration's tortures cannot even approach.

While many believe, and he grants copious evidence to support the belief, that Jimmy Carter is in part motivated by anti-Semitism, let us take him at his word that he is not an anti-Semite and is in fact motivated solely by a desire for peace and love. What are the implications of such a position?

First of all, it is an impossibility. The Pope correctly beatifies those few individuals who live lives of such virtue and selflessness that we can truly believe they are containers of minimal stores of hate. For the rest of us merely human, our reptilian brains (midbrian and hindbrain) are filled with aggression, hate, lust, rage, and all manner of emotions unacceptable to civilized men and women. As I have pointed out before, the input descending from the most recent parts of the brain, the neocortex, is predominantly inhibitory on the lower strata of roiling emotions. Much of the chore of remaining civilized has to do with modulating the expression of those emotions and the behaviors that they would motivate.

In Psychoanalytic terms, our defenses protect us (and others) not only from unacceptable ideas, but from the impulses that are ubiquitous and often insistent. We all find ways to express our unconscious wishes and feelings, but hopefully primarily do so in measured and acceptable ways.

The highest form of defense against such unacceptable wishes is through sublimation, ie finding a healthy pathway for gratification. As an example, all human beings contain sadistic impulses; most of us find ways to tame such impulses and direct them into productive pursuits.

The aggressive component can be channeled into the drive to be a successful athlete, lawyer, or businessman. The classic example in Medicine is the surgeon who channels his sadistic wishes to hurt people into the more acceptable form of cutting them open in order to cure their ailments.

When one, instead of recognizing and metabolizing his hatreds and aggressive drives, denies their existence, they continue to live on in the unconscious, empowered by the denial. The expression of such denied aggression can be seen in the Preacher who is "holier than thou" and takes great pleasure in condemning the sinner to eternal torment. Some will happily supply details of the unimaginable torments (easily imagined by the Preacher) of those unfortunate consigned to the Preacher's vision of Hell.

Another way of expressing such unacceptable impulses is via a third party. There are people who are particularly adept at stirring up others to rage. Radical Islamists are particularly talented in stirring up their followers into manic rage against those who they believe have threatened their religion. The Imams, of course, are men of peace representing the religion of peace, yet their followers commit egregious acts of violence and mayhem in their name. It requires learned academics and media people operating above their level of comprehension to explain how violence actually equates to peacefulness....cont.

[Link: shrinkwrapped.blogs.com...]

re: #2 livefreeor die

Isn't this a gross violation of the Logan Act?

I hate to say this, but the Logan Act is a dead letter. There's noway anything is going to be done about The Fucking Peanut Farmer.

One could wish that Hamass would keep him, but even they aren't that dumb.
SPIT

This asshole will be convinced he is going to heaven until the moment he arrives in hell.

re: #2 livefreeor die

Isn't this a gross violation of the Logan Act?

/as a private citizen, he can't negotiate on behalf of the United States

re: #33 jaunte

Lately the question seems less about what's legal, and more about what laws we have the will to enforce.

Well this goes beyond the never used and often ignored Logan Act. People and businesses are charged and convicted all the time for meeting with terrorist organizations or financial transaction with state sponsors of terror. At the very least he should be questioned about where and when these meetings took place. In most countries Hamas is a recognized terrorist organization. If he provided assistance (financial or otherwise) to a terrorist organization that's a very clear violation of frequently enforced laws. Unless there's some sort of exemption for ex-government officials that I'm unaware of.

Maybe Jimmah can have an all-expenses stay at Club Gitmo.

re: #42 So?

too bad.

“I’ve been meeting with Hamas leaders for years,” Carter said.

Lotta good that's done. Who's next on his list? Nasrallah? Zawahiri?

re: #37 Shakey Jakey

Yeah,should have specified president and ex-president

But your point of ex-President is well-taken. His "involvement" in world affairs since his Presidency is really quite embarrassing, meddlesome, and just plain wrong. It's as though he's bequeathed upon himself the role of "Elder Statesman", even when members of his own party have stated his visit is not in the best interests of the US.

I have to wonder if he was representing the US to our enemies even before he ran for president.

re: #39 NY Nana

And he is also the worst in my lifetime..FDR was President when I was born.

OK, since I'm not quite that old, he is the worst in my history book. HA! Top that!

re: #42 So?

well journalists have been doing this for years and their reports have been seen on major primetime TV networks, so I guess not.

Interesting point.

I'd put Carter second worst this century right after Hoover.

Probably fourth after Tyler, Fillmore, and Hoover.

re: #33 jaunte

Lately the question seems less about what's legal, and more about what laws we have the will to enforce.

And against whom we'll enforce them.

re: #50 TrollBot PrtoType Six

Great nik & avatar. welcome!

re: #52 Killian Bundy

/as a private citizen, he can't negotiate on behalf of the United States

He can surrender on his own though, right?

Aid and Comfort to the enemy

Too bad we couldn't just change the locks, throw his clothes out the window and tell him to spend the next couple weeks sleeping on Chavez's sofa.

re: #45 addison

Since the US knows where the meeting is, is there any reason that five seconds after Carter leaves the meeting the building couldn't be flattened with a couple of 1000lb bombs?

[withholds comment]

re: #26 Killgore Trout

I want to know more about these meetings. How long have they been going on? Where were they held? Here in the US? I'm positive this is illegal. Anyone meeting with terrorist organizations is breaking the law. He's no longer acting in an official capacity. Is this legal?

We support Fatah, and they're terrorists. Plus we're helping to train an elite PLO unit in Jordan.

re: #43 HelloDare

Meeting with terrorist for years?
Jimmy needs to be put on the Terrorist Watch List.

Ohhhh! cavity search at airport security. With TSA dressed in rabbit costumes!
/

re: #44 rupert

I've thought that if they love terrorists so much, and the U.S. is such a terrorist state itself, why don't they put their money where their mouth is and move there?

But then what would we have to talk about?

He would find out, if he did, that to them he is just another dhimmi....

re: #52 Killian Bundy

Text of the Logan act: (wikipedia)

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

Intercourse?

re: #69 jcm

Probably find his peace prize.

re: #51 pat

This asshole will be convinced he is going to heaven until the moment he arrives in hell.

He's delusional enough that he'll think he's in heaven anyway.

/"I’ve been meeting with Satan for years," Carter said, "and we feel at ease with each other."

What could possibly be wrong with a man who once held the highest office in the land, with all the secets and classified knowledge that entails, a former nuclear engineer to boot, meeting with terrorists? It's not as if he would actually have to be kidnapped to tell them anything.

re: #27 solomonpanting

Re: Truman, same here.
Re: Carter, the worst President in my lifetime, period.

I was born when Grover Cleveland was President and Jimmah is the worst Pres/ex Pres in the history of mankind.

Treason?

Charles, Happy Birthday!

There's a post in the spinoff links that might be thread-worthy.

New trend in AP’s reporting on "militant" activity in Iraq

As opposed to the reporting on a non-"militant"-related activities, when reporter's name is shown together with the "AP Photo" stamp

re: #61 jcm

I'd put Carter second worst this century right after Hoover.

Probably fourth after Tyler, Fillmore, and Hoover.

Carter still has time to do more damage, so don't close the book on that count yet.

re: #70 NY Nana

Exactly. He is being used and either doesn't care or doesn't know. Either of which do not make me very comfortable.

re: #73 JamesTKirk

Coffee break is over. Stand on your head.

Carter, is one sick creep.

re: #80 HelloDare

Coffee break is over. Stand on your head.

Probably still one of my favorite jokes.

re: #75 Truck Monkey

I was born when Grover Cleveland was President and Jimmah is the worst Pres/ex Pres in the history of mankind.

What brand Geritol you using?

re: #42 So?

well journalists have been doing this for years and their reports have been seen on major primetime TV networks, so I guess not.

Most journalists refuse to embed with US troops, since that would somehow "compromise" their reports and might bias them.

But embedding with militants activists insurgents terrorists? Not a problem.

I went over to Firedog Lake...it's like the bizarro universe over there. I'm pretty sure those characters won't be happy til Israel is wiped off the map. I'd type some more but I'm busy picking up the shards of my jaw. It shattered when it hit the floor.

re: #64 Racer X

He can surrender on his own though, right?

/absolutely, that's neither treason nor a violation of the Logan Act

re: #65 pat

Aid and Comfort to the enemy

Forget the Logan Act- charge him with treason.

The election of either Clinton or Obama will recreate the Carter years for us all to enjoy !

Mmmmmm 18% interest rates, Mmmmmm 10% unemployment....sweeeeet

re: #66 HelloDare

Too bad we couldn't just change the locks, throw his clothes out the window and tell him to spend the next couple weeks sleeping on Chavez's sofa.

Sofa? The two of them would be shagging all night in Chavez' master bedroom.

So, what do people hope to gain by "talking to Hamas"?

Previously, I had never sent the Carter Center their junk mail back to them in the postage-paid envelope because I thought "Well, at least they did well on Guinea worm, and it's unethical to spend their money this way."

No more. From now on, every piece of paper the Carter Center sends me gets sent back to them in the postage-paid envelope, sans my name. If his group isn't making money had over fist maybe he won't be able to go abroad and cuddle Maoists and jihadis.

It's my little way of sticking it to The Man.

No ex-president is above the law. If Carter has been meeting with a known terrorist group he should be prosecuted.

re: #90 JamesTKirk

Sofa? The two of them would be shagging all night in Chavez' master bedroom.

Why am I picturing an Austin Powers set here?

Carter - Hillary - Obama - Gore etc.

Just remember.

"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence..."

And State recommended that he shouldn't go!

re: #91 godfrey

So, what do people hope to gain by "talking to Hamas"?

The end of Israel.

re: #75 Truck Monkey

I was born when Grover Cleveland was President and Jimmah is the worst Pres/ex Pres in the history of mankind.

That's really difficult to believe. I mean, c'mon, "in the history of mankind"?

:D

re: #71 rupert

Text of the Logan act: (wikipedia)

...directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof...

I'm not allowed to have intercourse with agents of foreign governments? Oops...

re: #68 mjazzguitar

Fatah isn't on the list.

re: #90 JamesTKirk

Sofa? The two of them would be shagging all night in Chavez' master bedroom.

AAAuuugggh. Erase, erase.

re: #49 ted

Can you run that by me again?
(no! No! Only kidding!)

re: #99 JamesTKirk

Only if it's Hamas, apparently.

re: #63 unrealizedviewpoint

Great nik & avatar. welcome!

Heh.

re: #74 swamprat

No he wasn't.

...From 1 March to 8 October, Carter was preparing to become the engineering officer for the nuclear power plant to be placed in USS Seawolf (SSN 575), one of the first submarines to operate on atomic power. He assisted in setting up training for the enlisted men who would serve on Seawolf. During this time his father became very sick and died in July 1953. After his father's death in 1953, Carter resigned from the Navy to return to Georgia to manage the family interests. Carter was honorably discharged on 9 October 1953 at Headquarters, Third Naval District in New York City. On 7 December 1961, he transferred to the retired reserve with the rank of Lieutenant at his own request. ...

And becoming an engineering officer is a different job than a nuclear engineer.

re: #88 Sharmuta

Unfortunately, in an election year, he's just going to be crazy old 'Sideshow Jimmy."

Aiding the enemy, while cloaked in The thought of I am portant...
I would like to see the A. Lincoln speech...Once again, Telling the common folk about Treason.

Carter: "You know, Meshaal, ah've been comin' heah a lawng tahm."
Meshaal: "Yes, we are big friends!" (hugs him)
Carter: "Can we talk about this Israel thing?"
Meshaal: "Come, come! I have new car! I show you!"
etc.

re: #103 rupert

Only if it's Hamas, apparently.

Are their women green?

Just ignore him and maybe he will go away - - - far away.

Clinton And The Saudis. Now there is an equally loathsome group.The financiers of Hamas as well as CAIR.

Ever wonder who was inside the Jew hating Assud, the cannibal rabbit, costume?

re: #51 pat

This asshole will be convinced he is going to heaven until the moment he arrives in hell.

I have been wordsmithing the exact same sentiment since I heard about this. round and round I have gone.

At least 24 hours I have been wracking my brain, looking for the perfect quote. What? It took you 30 seconds. Dayam.

Perfect. Thanks.

re: #110 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Just ignore him and maybe he will go away - - - far away.

The problem is that he keeps coming back

re: #54 JammieWearingFool

Maybe Jimmah can have an all-expenses stay at Club Gitmo.

And have him help Harold & Kumar escape? No thanks!

re: #105 Roger...Thank you!

Text of the Logan Act

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

Also his statement that he's been meeting with them "for years" implies that soon after Sept. 11 he thought is was a good idea to start meeting with terrorists. Twisted.

re: #110 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Just ignore him and maybe he will go away - - - far away.

Hardly, he's Gollum, with his pressscioussss, he want's another.

re: #71 rupert

Means dealings.

In honor of Jimmy's visit, Hamas has announced a twenty-one rocket salute will be fired into Israel.

re: #108 godfrey

jimmah: So- about this malaise you're in.....

re: #71 rupert

Text of the Logan act: (wikipedia)

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

Intercourse?

A. Hamas isn't a foreign government, it's, at best, an NGO.

B. with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, good luck proving that, they could be talking about the weather.

/when's the last Logan Act (enacted in 1799) conviction?

Sounds like Carter has violated the Logan Act.

Can any lizard lawyers comment?

re: #114 JamesTKirk

He's the terrorist-sympathizing energizer bunny past president.

How about updating the Logan Act to the Cater-Logan Act.

re: #117 hermeneutics

.01 unless he is a failed president who thinks he is saving the world.

re: #121 Paul

In honor of Jimmy's visit, Hamas has announced a twenty-one rocket salute will be fired into Israel.

And he'll stand there clapping at the pretty colors.
Spit.

re: #117 hermeneutics

We've been throught this before here. The Logan act is old and busted. It has never been used and is unenforceable. It's not realistic to expect it to be used.

re: #98 solomonpanting

That's really difficult to believe. I mean, c'mon, "in the history of mankind"?

:D

True story. My daddy was a Mugwump and really liked what Grover Cleveland did as mayor of Buffalo.

re: #120 mjazzguitar

Thank you.

What sort of "dealings"?

re: #123 Killian Bundy

re: #98 solomonpanting

That's really difficult to believe. I mean, c'mon, "in the history of mankind"?

:D

Hey I just got back from a trip into the future (I have a Delorean - shhh, don't tell anyone). In the future no president will be as bad as Jimmy Carter. Additionally, the media hates Republicans.

You have got to be freaking kidding me.

Killian,

What exactly is Hamas? IS there a legal category for such groups?

re: #123 Killian Bundy

Jimmie Carter should be given the same penalty for treason that Palestinian terrorists give to their traitors. Can I get a show of hands on this one?

re: #123 Killian Bundy

Understood. Probably never.

re: #134 ploome hineni

so let us say, for argument's sake that

he holds no office, he has no mandate

what does he see as the purpose of his meetings?

Consulting on his last book.

re: #129 Killgore Trout

SOrry. I didn't know it had already been discussed.

re: #129 Killgore Trout

We can write some replacement legislation, and call it "Jimmy's Law."

re: #134 ploome hineni

so let us say, for argument's sake that

he holds no office, he has no mandate

what does he see as the purpose of his meetings?

Excellent question. I wonder what they see as the benefit of these meetings, besides being able to trot out his support before the media.

re: #134 ploome hineni

"peace"

re: #135 hermeneutics

Killian,

What exactly is Hamas? IS there a legal category for such groups?

Non Governmental Organization (NGO) or terrorist group.

/take your pick, although they're not mutually exclusive

re: #33 jaunte

Lately the question seems less about what's legal, and more about what laws we have the will to enforce.

I know I'm in the minority, but I actually think McCain would haul Carter's ass out on the carpet.

re: #134 ploome hineni

so let us say, for argument's sake that

he holds no office, he has no mandate

what does he see as the purpose of his meetings?

Jimmah gets his picture in the paper again with another bunch of thugs?
Honestly, what else is there? Does he really think he will make a difference?

re: #129 Killgore Trout

We've been throught this before here. The Logan act is old and busted. It has never been used and is unenforceable. It's not realistic to expect it to be used.

Howabout an effing re-write!

re: #134 ploome hineni

what does he see as the purpose of his meetings?

Attention

re: #124 hermeneutics

Sounds like Carter has violated the Logan Act.

Can any lizard lawyers comment?

(not a lawyer)
Logan act's never been used. 1 indictment, no trials or convictions. In essence therefore case law is nothing has meet the criteria for Logan Act, Carter certainly has not.

Dosen't make it right, just is.

I think Peres is exactly right - Carter is damaging the peace process. Just like he damaged Iran and started the ball rolling toward 9/11.

re: #144 Globular Cluster

I know I'm in the minority, but I actually think McCain would haul Carter's ass out on the carpet.

On what do you base that ludicrous theory?

re: #129 Killgore Trout

We've been throught this before here. The Logan act is old and busted. It has never been used and is unenforceable. It's not realistic to expect it to be used.

According to a WSJ opinion, it is enforceable.

Wish we would enforce the Logan act on his wrinkled behind. But, it's said that laws without penalty are only advice. We don't even give advice well anymore.

Is it time to vote 'em all out yet?

That sonofabitch carter has probably been passing on classified information to his Hamas friends.

**Double spit**

re: #132 rwmofo

Hey I just got back from a trip into the future (I have a Delorean - shhh, don't tell anyone). In the future no president will be as bad as Jimmy Carter. Additionally, the media hates Republicans.

I believe this movie will be out in the Fall:

Barack to the Future

re: #134 ploome hineni

what does he see as the purpose of his meetings?

Feeding his ego
and
Undermining the current Administration (any Administration, for that matter--his narcissism is so great that he even threw Clinton under the bus in 1994 by cuddling Kim Jong-Il).

re: #129 Killgore Trout

The reason being they all want to avoid charges

re: #126 HelloDare

How about updating the Logan Act to the Cater-Logan Act.

Forget Logan- charge him with treason.

re: #143 Killian Bundy

Okay, so does this mean that we can't declare war, for instance, on Hamas (since it is not a formal government)? How do we legally declare/justify war on AQ?

re: #150 JamesTKirk

On what do you base that ludicrous theory?

Love him or hate him, he has a strong distaste for America's enemies. Didn't like his Vietnamese and Cuban captors. Plus he has a temper. Just a thought.

re: #129 Killgore Trout

BTW, I find you very smart...when you typo, makes me happy.

One day I'll wake up and hear the news that Jimmy Carter is in jail/ dead/being held hostage...and I'll say to myself "At last!".

Comments like this cause brain freeze:

Of course many Democrats hold disdain for Carter...the Democratic party is held in check on the I/P conflict by the Lobby. This has been going on for years.

re: #136 Future Blogger

Jimmie Carter should be given the same penalty for treason that Palestinian terrorists give to their traitors. Can I get a show of hands on this one?

They would never punish their best friend.

re: #79 rupert

He is friendly with them for the same reason most of our Presidents are: the money.

But at the same time, they seem to be buying companies, etc., here like trinkets in a bazaar...and that scares me so much.

Look at the price of oil...and at what they contribute to the candidates.

I am sure that the vile Israel and Jew-hating peanut farmer feels right at home with them.

Look at what Bubba got towards his library...and from who.

Bet Shrill and Obama are also in on the action.

Ian Welsh at firedog"lake has taken leave of his senses.

"A true friend tells you when you're walking down the path to defeat. A true friend tells you when you're acting despicably. And that's why Jimmy Carter is Israel's best friend in America—the only President to negotiate a lasting peace between Israel and one of its enemies and the only major figure to tell the Israelis that they're walking a path to their own destruction."

How did I miss that lasting peace thing?

Will Jimmah be at the Dem convention?
Will they make him wear a disguise? Hide him in the kitchen?

re: #154 solomonpanting

I believe this movie will be out in the Fall:

Barack to the Future

Howabout...
"Barack to the Fatwah"?

re: #164 NY Nana

He is friendly with them for the same reason most of our Presidents are: the money.

/blockquote>

The Carter Center is largely funded by Saudi money.

jimmy carter should have been in jail for yrs.

re: #165 jaunte

I thought according to that Kos diarist Hitler was the best friend the zionists ever had?

re: #139 hermeneutics

Don't be quick to be sorry on lgf. Have at what ever is on your mind.

re: #166 wolfie

Will Jimmah be at the Dem convention?
Will they make him wear a disguise? Hide him in the kitchen?

He'll be hiding behind Michael Moore.

re: #171 Roger

Aaaahhhh, thanks.

re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Howabout an effing re-write!

I don't think we need a rewrite for this situtuation. Meeting with designated terror organizations is already illegal. Although it's tough to imagine him being prosecuted he is breaking already existing laws.

“I’ve been meeting with Hamas leaders for years,” Carter said.

Looks like it. Peanut's also been spouting terrorist talking points for years.

I think the way he works is, there is this big empty space between his ears, and any thought that comes into it (from the outside, obviously), he takes as his own. If he'd been meeting with people who are not terrorists for years, he'd be just as adamant about border security (or its lack) or the U of M Wolverines (or MSU Spartans), or how the little green men from Mars like to probe him (or they don't -- the little green men are a given, though). It's awfully empty in that head of Jimmah's. Any thought that finds its way there had got to be pretty lonely.

I wondered aloud on LGF, once, how this creature could ever have been elected. Got a bunch of annoyed "I don't want to talk about it, OK?" back.

re: #171 Roger

Dig it. I live sorry here. (but never let'em see you sweat!)

re: #165 jaunte

How did I miss that lasting peace thing?

It's pretty easy to miss, since it's only continued by us paying Egypt $2 billion in jizya a year not to attack Israel (and get themselves destroyed in the process).

re: #131 rupert

noun: communication between individuals

Jimmah should not only have the distinction of going down in the history books as the worst President of the US,
But he should also have the glory of being the first ex-President to have his passport taken away from him and burned....

Carter said this morning to Stephenopolis that State didn't advise him not to go.re: #118 Killgore Trout

Also his statement that he's been meeting with them "for years" implies that soon after Sept. 11 he thought is was a good idea to start meeting with terrorists. Twisted.

Carter knows his entire administration was a dismal failure except for a peace agreement he worked. So.. he keeps working it, and working it. Everything has changed but Carter.

re: #151 Globular Cluster

According to a WSJ opinion, it is enforceable.

Maybe, maybe not. You would have had a better shot with Pelosi and Assad, but there's no way they were about to slap the irons on the sitting Speaker of the House.

/what are the chances former President Carter gets arrested when he sets foot back on U.S. soil?

re: #159 Globular Cluster

Love him or hate him, he has a strong distaste for America's enemies. Didn't like his Vietnamese and Cuban captors. Plus he has a temper. Just a thought.

How strongly has he criticized Carter in the past, or the many other traitors in the Democrat party?

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Killgore,

Please spell it out for me, a stupid non-lawyer. What laws prohibit meeting with terrorists?

re: #164 NY Nana

stuff like this makes me think that we are in a lot of trouble, especially with Obama waiting in the wings...

re: #172 HelloDare

He'll be hiding behind Michael Moore.

That should give him plenty of room to stretch out.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

hamas has called for attacks against Americans. Sounds like aid and comfort to me. And the two witnesses? Two photographers ought to do.

re: #74 swamprat

What could possibly be wrong with a man who once held the highest office in the land, with all the secets and classified knowledge that entails, a former nuclear engineer to boot, meeting with terrorists? It's not as if he would actually have to be kidnapped to tell them anything.

Good point.

re: #178 mjazzguitar

Just a joke...

re: #180 unrealizedviewpoint

sorry, the top wording was part of another thought, pls disregard.

re: #151 Globular Cluster

It's not going to happen. The Logan Act isn't even need in this situation. Meeting with terrorist organizations is already illegal.

re: #179 TimO

Jimmah should not only have the distinction of going down in the history books as the worst President of the US,
But he should also have the glory of being the first ex-President to have his passport taken away from him and burned....

Just do it today - before he goes to the airport.

re: #172 HelloDare

He'll be hiding behind Michael Moore.

Who is...I got nuthin...just liked the line. wanted to see it again.

re: #177 Palandine

It's pretty easy to miss, since it's only continued by us paying Egypt $2 billion in jizya a year not to attack Israel (and get themselves destroyed in the process).

Awfully nice of them to help out the Gazans with all those power plants and free trade zones, and development loans, and tourism.
Oh wait.

re: #59 rwmofo

OK, since I'm not quite that old, he is the worst in my history book. HA! Top that!

Your history book mentions Presidents? U.S. Presidents? Seriously? How old are you? I thought all they mentioned nowadays is the three R's- Gay rights, civil rights, and abortion rights. Oh, and slavery...That's usually the only time they mention Presidents- Just to teach you that Washington and Jefferson owned some.

I remember Jimmy and Janet Reno sending that poor child back to Cuba! A lot of people were shock then to.

So who will bring charges?

While he is gone can we invoke eminent domain and put the land under the Carter Center to better and taxable use?

Treason = aid and comfort.

If I, as a citizen, decided to talk to people associated with Hamas, it would not be treason, would it? I'm not helping them. Or comforting them. Just gabbing.

Maybe Carter sees it this way?

re: #182 JamesTKirk

How strongly has he criticized Carter in the past, or the many other traitors in the Democrat party?

Not very much, admitted. But I don't think, as President, he would not react to someone undermining his foreign policy prerogative.

re: #151 Globular Cluster

According to a WSJ opinion, it is enforceable.

I recall that article from last time Jimmy pulled this. To be enforceable there needs be will. There's no will.

The US State Department said on Thursday it had advised ex-President Jimmy Carter against meeting the leader of Hamas in Syria next week, saying it went against US policy of isolating the group.

re: #191 rwmofo

Just do it today - before he goes to the airport.

Too late. He's already there.

re: #180 unrealizedviewpoint

Carter said this morning to Stephenopolis that State didn't advise him not to go

Huh, interesting. Maybe he gets some sort of exemption because he's an ex-president.

re: #196 godfrey

So who will bring charges?

You know- a President McCain might understand and appreciate the meaning of treason.

re: #149 seekeroftruth

Slimy Shimon *spit* has done irreparable damage to Israel, just as Carter did, and he and Jimmah must be best friends.

/Peas in a pod.

re: #155 Palandine

Feeding his ego
and
Undermining the current Administration (any Administration, for that matter--his narcissism is so great that he even threw Clinton under the bus in 1994 by cuddling Kim Jong-Il).

Hey yeah! Maybe he'll offer hamas nuclear technology in exchange for peace also.

re: #193 jaunte

Awfully nice of them to help out the Gazans with all those power plants and free trade zones, and development loans, and tourism.

Hell, the Egyptians won't even spend that jizya to feed their own people. There's food riots in Cairo. We are wrong to support them, but we should support all non-Muslim Brotherhood opposition groups.

re: #194 Bob in Breckenridge

Are Copper and Breckenridge still open?

re: #198 hermeneutics

If I, as a citizen, decided to talk to people associated with Hamas, it would not be treason, would it? I'm not helping them. Or comforting them. Just gabbing.

Depends on their mood that day.

re: #158 hermeneutics

Okay, so does this mean that we can't declare war, for instance, on Hamas (since it is not a formal government)? How do we legally declare/justify war on AQ?

Now that's an excellent and hotly debated legal question.

/so far, it's been Executive initiative under the War Powers Act of 1973, coupled with Congressional inability to literally defund the war effort

OT: I recently got an email very similar to this web page. I found it odd so I did some web surfing, and found this and this.

I just love having the mighty debunking power of teh interwebs at my fingertips.

re: #190 Killgore Trout

It's not going to happen. The Logan Act isn't even need in this situation. Meeting with terrorist organizations is already illegal.

Agreed. What is also terrible is that he's not obligated to tell the White House the details of his meeting. He claims he will share the information with State, but who knows. He could make an entire deal with Hamas and nobody would be the wiser.

re: #176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's the beauty of the internet!

Why doesn't Carter just move to Iran.
It's obvious he would be happier there.

re: #202 solomonpanting

Too late. He's already there.

I meant while he's there, so he can't come back.

re: #207 Palandine

I wouldn't begrudge the aid money to help the Copts.
Not that any trickles down as far as that.

Anyone with Nat. Geographic channel, you must check out how each and every one of us are destroying the environment by our very existence; the jeans and t-shirts we wear, the beer we drink, the materials in our houses. Oh, the humanity!

Okay, I credit them one thing with a wish that we start building our houses out of something other than wood. You'd think we would have invented something by now.

re: #89 jopa416

The election of either Clinton or Obama will recreate the Carter years for us all to enjoy !

Mmmmmm 18% interest rates, Mmmmmm 10% unemployment....sweeeeet

AKA the Misery Index- Interest rates + unemployment rates + inflation rates= Disaster.

OT

Happy Birdthday Lizardmaster!

/Last time I'll post it. Now with music. ;-D

One aspect of the Camp David agreements was a US commitment not to recognize the PLO, but Carter made that promise and found a way to make that promise null and void immediately. It was a hard trade for Begin who saw territorial concessions to Egypt as necessary, but not desirable. He was in a sense ready to trade Sinai for Judea and Samaria and Gaza according to the text of 242 (this is the distinction of "territories v 'the territories'". No secret that the US gave something of an ultimatum to Israel, but then Carter was never the southern gentleman. He is a cunning and deceptive politician. In the end his arrogance led to his downfall to Reagan. So now he is cunning and vindicative.

re: #74 swamprat

What could possibly be wrong with a man who once held the highest office in the land, with all the secets and classified knowledge that entails, a former nuclear engineer to boot, meeting with terrorists? It's not as if he would actually have to be kidnapped to tell them anything.

That is an unpleasant thought.

So, I guess it’s a high stakes game of political brinkmanship.

Carter must be thinking “I am too important a person to be captured... So the US government must protect me to the fullest... even though I Screwing the law and the Administration Six ways to Sunday.”

re: #213 Globular Cluster

If he made a deal, would or could it bind the United States?

/just out of morbid curiosity.

re: #219 Noam Sayin'

It's high time they stopped using paper.
Hear me Nat Geo? You're part of the problem.

re: #216 rwmofo

I meant while he's there, so he can't come back.

Oops! My mistake.

re: #209 rwmofo

Are Copper and Breckenridge still open?

Yes and yes! We got 30+ inches of snow in the last week!

re: #2 livefreeor die

Isn't this a gross violation of the Logan Act?

"l-f-o" -

YES IT IS - AND TO THINK I HELPED MAKE THIS MAN POTUS!

-S-

re: #214 Roger

That's the beauty of the internet!

Thank you Al Gore*.
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* (Suck on that Al...the only gratitude you'll ever see from me. And it is sarcastic!)

dhimmi carter's jewish name

smuck malamid

re: #201 HelloDare

The US State Department said on Thursday it had advised ex-President Jimmy Carter against meeting the leader of Hamas in Syria next week

Ex-President Carter will have his Secret Service detail with him, won't he? Those guys have taken an oath to oppose all enemies foreign and domestic. Just sayin'*

*The hamass honcho, not Carter. I may despise the man, but I respect and honor his former office.

re: #197 Roger

While he is gone can we invoke eminent domain and put the land under the Carter Center to better and taxable use?

Since Jimmah is so concerned about occupation, it turns out his land belonged to the Creek tribe who where expelled during the Trail of Tears (along with the Cherokee). We should confiscate his farm and give it to the Indians.

re: #195 beachkatie

I remember Jimmy and Janet Reno sending that poor child back to Cuba! A lot of people were shock then to.

Actually, that was Bill Clinton and Hillary's gal-pal Janet, Katie.

Ahhhhhhhhh! Complete treason. This makes me so angry.

re: #190 Kill gore Trout

Meeting with terrorist organizations is already illegal.

Got a Link for that?

/as a practical matter, our "official" government apparatus already does so regularly

re: #221 Cartman

OT

Happy Birdthday Lizardmaster!

/Last time I'll post it. Now with music. ;-D

Wow that was great! { wow}

re: #219 Noam Sayin'

Anyone with Nat. Geographic channel, you must check out how each and every one of us are destroying the environment by our very existence; the jeans and t-shirts we wear, the beer we drink, the materials in our houses. Oh, the humanity!

Well, at least there's less beer now than there was three hours ago. Burp, sorry, am I saving the planet?

re: #211 Killian Bundy

Now that's an excellent and hotly debated legal question.

/so far, it's been Executive initiative under the War Powers Act of 1973, coupled with Congressional inability to literally defund the war effort

From my read of the Wiki article, it seems like the War Powers Act is a blatant power grab by the Congress to usurp the presidential role of Commander of the military. Right?

Still doesn't answer my question about how you declare war, or define treason, against a non-governmental terrorist organization. It seems like terrorism falls into a logical gap if the Constitution and other laws merely recognize governments.

re: #232 Palandine

Ex-President Carter will have his Secret Service detail with him, won't he? Those guys have taken an oath to oppose all enemies foreign and domestic. Just sayin'*

*The hamass honcho, not Carter. I may despise the man, but I respect and honor his former office.

Yes, and the Secret Service is required to answer questions about what they see if subpoenaed, I think? Let me know if that's not true-most of what I've learned about the law is from this site!

re: #183 hermeneutics

I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure it's illegal. Executive Order 13224

In addition, the Order authorizes the U.S. government to block the assets of individuals and entities that provide support, services, or assistance to, or otherwise associate with, terrorists and terrorist organizations designated under the Order, as well as their subsidiaries, front organizations, agents, and associates.

IIRC, from the Holy Land Charity trial CAIR got a pass on past relationships with Hamas because it was before Hamas made the list of terrorist organizations.

re: #228 Bob in Breckenridge

Yes and yes! We got 30+ inches of snow in the last week!

Ahh memories. I'm in TX now, so I have to golf. I ski a lot better than I golf.

re: #232 Palandine

Ex-President Carter will have his Secret Service detail with him, won't he? Those guys have taken an oath to oppose all enemies foreign and domestic. Just sayin'*

*The hamass honcho, not Carter. I may despise the man, but I respect and honor his former office.

What would be really cool is his SS detail revolting and telling him they won't go.

re: #224 Ledger1

Carter must be thinking “I am too important a person to be captured... So the US government must protect me to the fullest.

Americas policy is to not negotiate with terrorists. Sorry Jimmy!

re: #199 Globular Cluster

Not very much, admitted. But I don't think, as President, he would not react to someone undermining his foreign policy prerogative.

But that's strictly a feeling unsupported by any actual history. Got it.

Hell, I'd love it if you were right; sooner or later some president needs to smack down the State Department and tell them who's in charge. But I'm not as optimistic as you are.

re: #221 Cartman

Heh!

I can't do that crap!

Meh!

Nice job

Happy Birthday to you Chuck Stinky

re: #233 Globular Cluster

I agree and not joking. And it would most definitely be a better use.

re: #225 rupert

If he made a deal, would or could it bind the United States?

/just out of morbid curiosity.

He could promise them all kinds of things unrelated to the govt. Money laundered from the Carter Center, continued outspoken support, his future plans, cooperation with other terrorists, communication with other world leaders, etc. Not a formal deal, certainly.

re: #243 Sharmuta

What would be really cool is his SS detail revolting and telling him they won't go.

It's too bad they're so much more responsible and professional than he is.

re: #234 Bob in Breckenridge
But Jimmy help with sitting him up to going back with the help of world council of churches!

re: #225 rupert

If he made a deal, would or could it bind the United States?

/just out of morbid curiosity.

No, he's going there as a private citizen, not a representative of the U.S. government.

It should say on his tombstone: "Hey, I paved the way for Reagan ..."

re: #134 ploome hineni

so let us say, for argument's sake that

The former president said he felt “quite at ease” about meeting Mashaal because Hamas is essential to a future peace with Israel.

he holds no office, he has no mandate

what does he see as the purpose of his meetings?

yes, why is he going. what does he seek to achieve? he is such an old arrogant fool to think he has any purpose except his own vanity and need to meddle. he's going to thumb his nose at israel and hamas is thrilled to have the decrepit derelict. jimmy carter just can't let any good thing alone. and when he doesn't even need to, he will KILL his neighbors cat. that's what he's up to: being a nasty bastard.

Maybe Hamas will hold Jimmy hostage for 444 days while we try useless, incompetent and ill-fated measures to get him freed.

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Thanks. I wonder if Executive Orders have the full force of law behind them. Of course, it is law, but in a court ... perhaps a lesser law?

High school civics: the Executive enforces, not makes or interprets law.

re: #248 Globular Cluster

Seems like he's just going there to feel important.

Carter is just following the Obama doctrine.

You guys have seen the cross-eyed Mrs. Clinton picture by now I assume. What surprises me, but shouldn't any more I guess, is that it's up a left-wing sites such as DU.

Okay. I am going to bed now. G'night Elizabeth.

You can't say something now that will want me to stay up. No you can't. Please don't. Please be boring for about 30 seconds...then I won't lurk.

Thanks.

re: #255 hermeneutics

Earth to President Bush....

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You savage, waster of natural resources! Don't you know that the beer industry consumes 6 billion gallons of water each year (it's what they said)?

NatGeo is expected to get back to the beer industry later this week with a liquid they might try instead of water.

re: #242 rwmofo

Ahh memories. I'm in TX now, so I have to golf. I ski a lot better than I golf.

Did you live here at one time?

Jimmy Carter and unconsious hate

re: #261 Noam Sayin'

Oh no, you didn't!

re: #254 David IV of Georgia

Maybe Hamas will hold Jimmy hostage for 444 days while we try useless, incompetent and ill-fated measures to get him freed.

That is a good one !:)

How are you-all this evening? What are we talking about?

re: #256 rupert

Seems like he's just going there to feel important.

Tryin' to relive his glory days? He did have glory days didn't he?

re: #261 Noam Sayin'

I've got that on tap. wait just a minute.

re: #233 Globular Cluster

"gc" -

My Company, having lost a property for all intents and purposes by means of the New London, CT case (On Paper an "arms length transaction" - for real - you gotta be kidding!) - Bwaaaah, haaa, haaa, haaa, haaa, haaah, haaah! AND - the BEST PART - most of the tenants were "Section 8!"

-S-

re: #254 David IV of Georgia

Maybe Hamas will hold Jimmy hostage for 444 days while we try useless, incompetent and ill-fated measures to get him freed.

Just as long as no member of our military is harmed trying to save this schmuck.