They pay him bi-weekly.

Isn't this a gross violation of the Logan Act?

President Weirod

Meeting in secret?

The asshole has been selling out his country for years too! Given the chance the SOB would sell out the free world.

Can we impeach him?

This has to be treason.

re: #6 reno911

Can we impeach him?

Nope. Can't even stop his retirement pay...

Tucking fool, clueless fadwuck. We'd be better off if his mama keep the afterbirth.

*spit*

re: #6 reno911

Can we impeach him?

...or commit him?

I would say "wow" but im not surprised

Well this explains a lot.

I'd love to see him denied readmittance to the States.

"And they haven't yet taken my head!"

/kill me last

Send Nancy Pelosi w/him.

The man may be delusional but he's got to earn his paycheck from his masters.

He said he's 'at ease' with genocidal madmen. Who are we to judge?

Don't worry folks, if they take him hostage, we'll have 444 days to get him home.

Jimmy Carter. I can't think of something bad enough to say, to match.

Carter is the worst ex president in my lifetime-BTW Truman was president when I was born

Hamas helped him write his latest book. Bunch of meeting just for that.

re: #18 rupert

Don't worry folks, if they take him hostage, we'll have 444 days to get him home.

Why the hurry?

re: #22 solomonpanting

good question.

However, the only thing that was positive from the Carter Admin was that my whole family went Republican.

Do we really have to let him back into the country?

re: #18 rupert

to get him home.

?

Why?

“I’ve been meeting with Hamas leaders for years,” Carter said.

I want to know more about these meetings. How long have they been going on? Where were they held? Here in the US? I'm positive this is illegal. Anyone meeting with terrorist organizations is breaking the law. He's no longer acting in an official capacity. Is this legal?

re: #20 Shakey Jakey

Carter is the worst ex president in my lifetime-BTW Truman was president when I was born

Re: Truman, same here.
Re: Carter, the worst President in my lifetime, period.

I can't wait till JC is gone; so I can spit on his grave.

Somebody check his passport... I bet it says:

Citizen of: Dar al Islam

Peanut shuckin' surrender monkey.

"I've been meeting with Hamas leaders for years,"
OMG! Did I say that out loud? What if they find out about the money?

Think Mashaal will spooge on Jimmeh's face like he wants?

re: #18 rupert

Don't worry folks, if they take him hostage, we'll have 444 days to get him home.

Why doesn't he just stay with them, where he belongs.../he really needs to be in a very, very hot climate.

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Lately the question seems less about what's legal, and more about what laws we have the will to enforce.

He's been meeting with Hamas for years, must be the coordinator of the undeground tunnel construction.

Also what was discussed at these meetings? Did he assist Hamas in any way or help them obtain funds? Did he use his influence to help them in any way?

"I've been meeting with Hamas leaders for years," Carter said.

How many more Democrats have been doing the same thing as Carter? Pelosi in Syria
Jay Rockerfeller in Syria as well right before we went into Iraq
Moran and company in Iraq with Saddam before we went in
Reps for Obama & Clinton in to Syria a few months ago
..... and on and on...
Really - who has their loyalty? Not looking like it's the good old U.S. of A

re: #27 solomonpanting

Yeah,should have specified president and ex-president

Just a joke, actually I was wondering...if a U.S. Citizen meets with a known terrorist group, isn't this against the law?

re: #20 Shakey Jakey

Carter is the worst ex president in my lifetime-BTW Truman was president when I was born

And he is also the worst in my lifetime..FDR was President when I was born.

re: #35 Killgore Trout

That concerns me as well

“Well, you can’t always get prerequisites adopted by other people before you even talk to them.”

Hell, Chamberlain met with Hitler, look how great that worked out.

re: #38 rupert

Just a joke, actually I was wondering...if a U.S. Citizen meets with a known terrorist group, isn't this against the law?

well journalists have been doing this for years and their reports have been seen on major primetime TV networks, so I guess not.

Meeting with terrorist for years?
Jimmy needs to be put on the Terrorist Watch List.

re: #32 NY Nana

I've thought that if they love terrorists so much, and the U.S. is such a terrorist state itself, why don't they put their money where their mouth is and move there?

But then what would we have to talk about?

Since the US knows where the meeting is, is there any reason that five seconds after Carter leaves the meeting the building couldn't be flattened with a couple of 1000lb bombs?

Is there any way we can get that frickin peace prize back?

This man certainly does not deserve it.

re: #41 mjazzguitar

He needs to start carrying an umbrella.

President Bush? You have an obligation concerning sedition and traitors.

April 10, 2008

JIMMY CARTER AND UNCONSCIOUS HATE

Manifest behavior is always the summation of competing wishes and inhibitions, most of which are unconscious. When someone makes a great show of his personal piety yet his manifest behavior is often damaging to others, it is worth wondering if he is expressing forbidden unconscious wishes in ways that are disguised and acceptable to himself. Jimmy Carter, our nation's worst ex-President, offers an excellent case in point.

Carter describes himself as a friend of Israel, only interested in Peace in the Middle East and the world. Yet he is now planning to meet with Khaled Meshal, one of the leaders of Hamas, an agent of genocide, in Damascus, the capital of a terror supporting and enabling state which oppresses its own people in ways that the left's fantasies of the Bush administration's tortures cannot even approach.

While many believe, and he grants copious evidence to support the belief, that Jimmy Carter is in part motivated by anti-Semitism, let us take him at his word that he is not an anti-Semite and is in fact motivated solely by a desire for peace and love. What are the implications of such a position?

First of all, it is an impossibility. The Pope correctly beatifies those few individuals who live lives of such virtue and selflessness that we can truly believe they are containers of minimal stores of hate. For the rest of us merely human, our reptilian brains (midbrian and hindbrain) are filled with aggression, hate, lust, rage, and all manner of emotions unacceptable to civilized men and women. As I have pointed out before, the input descending from the most recent parts of the brain, the neocortex, is predominantly inhibitory on the lower strata of roiling emotions. Much of the chore of remaining civilized has to do with modulating the expression of those emotions and the behaviors that they would motivate.

In Psychoanalytic terms, our defenses protect us (and others) not only from unacceptable ideas, but from the impulses that are ubiquitous and often insistent. We all find ways to express our unconscious wishes and feelings, but hopefully primarily do so in measured and acceptable ways.

The highest form of defense against such unacceptable wishes is through sublimation, ie finding a healthy pathway for gratification. As an example, all human beings contain sadistic impulses; most of us find ways to tame such impulses and direct them into productive pursuits.

The aggressive component can be channeled into the drive to be a successful athlete, lawyer, or businessman. The classic example in Medicine is the surgeon who channels his sadistic wishes to hurt people into the more acceptable form of cutting them open in order to cure their ailments.

When one, instead of recognizing and metabolizing his hatreds and aggressive drives, denies their existence, they continue to live on in the unconscious, empowered by the denial. The expression of such denied aggression can be seen in the Preacher who is "holier than thou" and takes great pleasure in condemning the sinner to eternal torment. Some will happily supply details of the unimaginable torments (easily imagined by the Preacher) of those unfortunate consigned to the Preacher's vision of Hell.

Another way of expressing such unacceptable impulses is via a third party. There are people who are particularly adept at stirring up others to rage. Radical Islamists are particularly talented in stirring up their followers into manic rage against those who they believe have threatened their religion. The Imams, of course, are men of peace representing the religion of peace, yet their followers commit egregious acts of violence and mayhem in their name. It requires learned academics and media people operating above their level of comprehension to explain how violence actually equates to peacefulness....cont.

[Link: shrinkwrapped.blogs.com...]

re: #2 livefreeor die

Isn't this a gross violation of the Logan Act?

I hate to say this, but the Logan Act is a dead letter. There's noway anything is going to be done about The Fucking Peanut Farmer.

One could wish that Hamass would keep him, but even they aren't that dumb.
SPIT

This asshole will be convinced he is going to heaven until the moment he arrives in hell.

re: #2 livefreeor die

Isn't this a gross violation of the Logan Act?

/as a private citizen, he can't negotiate on behalf of the United States

re: #33 jaunte

Lately the question seems less about what's legal, and more about what laws we have the will to enforce.

Well this goes beyond the never used and often ignored Logan Act. People and businesses are charged and convicted all the time for meeting with terrorist organizations or financial transaction with state sponsors of terror. At the very least he should be questioned about where and when these meetings took place. In most countries Hamas is a recognized terrorist organization. If he provided assistance (financial or otherwise) to a terrorist organization that's a very clear violation of frequently enforced laws. Unless there's some sort of exemption for ex-government officials that I'm unaware of.

Maybe Jimmah can have an all-expenses stay at Club Gitmo.

re: #42 So?

too bad.

“I’ve been meeting with Hamas leaders for years,” Carter said.

Lotta good that's done. Who's next on his list? Nasrallah? Zawahiri?

re: #37 Shakey Jakey

Yeah,should have specified president and ex-president

But your point of ex-President is well-taken. His "involvement" in world affairs since his Presidency is really quite embarrassing, meddlesome, and just plain wrong. It's as though he's bequeathed upon himself the role of "Elder Statesman", even when members of his own party have stated his visit is not in the best interests of the US.

I have to wonder if he was representing the US to our enemies even before he ran for president.

re: #39 NY Nana

And he is also the worst in my lifetime..FDR was President when I was born.

OK, since I'm not quite that old, he is the worst in my history book. HA! Top that!

re: #42 So?

well journalists have been doing this for years and their reports have been seen on major primetime TV networks, so I guess not.

Interesting point.

I'd put Carter second worst this century right after Hoover.

Probably fourth after Tyler, Fillmore, and Hoover.

re: #33 jaunte

Lately the question seems less about what's legal, and more about what laws we have the will to enforce.

And against whom we'll enforce them.

re: #50 TrollBot PrtoType Six

Great nik & avatar. welcome!

re: #52 Killian Bundy

/as a private citizen, he can't negotiate on behalf of the United States

He can surrender on his own though, right?

Aid and Comfort to the enemy

Too bad we couldn't just change the locks, throw his clothes out the window and tell him to spend the next couple weeks sleeping on Chavez's sofa.

re: #45 addison

Since the US knows where the meeting is, is there any reason that five seconds after Carter leaves the meeting the building couldn't be flattened with a couple of 1000lb bombs?

[withholds comment]

re: #26 Killgore Trout

I want to know more about these meetings. How long have they been going on? Where were they held? Here in the US? I'm positive this is illegal. Anyone meeting with terrorist organizations is breaking the law. He's no longer acting in an official capacity. Is this legal?

We support Fatah, and they're terrorists. Plus we're helping to train an elite PLO unit in Jordan.

re: #43 HelloDare

Meeting with terrorist for years?
Jimmy needs to be put on the Terrorist Watch List.

Ohhhh! cavity search at airport security. With TSA dressed in rabbit costumes!
/

re: #44 rupert

I've thought that if they love terrorists so much, and the U.S. is such a terrorist state itself, why don't they put their money where their mouth is and move there?

But then what would we have to talk about?

He would find out, if he did, that to them he is just another dhimmi....

re: #52 Killian Bundy

Text of the Logan act: (wikipedia)

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

Intercourse?

re: #69 jcm

Probably find his peace prize.

re: #51 pat

This asshole will be convinced he is going to heaven until the moment he arrives in hell.

He's delusional enough that he'll think he's in heaven anyway.

/"I’ve been meeting with Satan for years," Carter said, "and we feel at ease with each other."

What could possibly be wrong with a man who once held the highest office in the land, with all the secets and classified knowledge that entails, a former nuclear engineer to boot, meeting with terrorists? It's not as if he would actually have to be kidnapped to tell them anything.

re: #27 solomonpanting

Re: Truman, same here.
Re: Carter, the worst President in my lifetime, period.

I was born when Grover Cleveland was President and Jimmah is the worst Pres/ex Pres in the history of mankind.

Treason?

Charles, Happy Birthday!

There's a post in the spinoff links that might be thread-worthy.

New trend in AP’s reporting on "militant" activity in Iraq

As opposed to the reporting on a non-"militant"-related activities, when reporter's name is shown together with the "AP Photo" stamp

re: #61 jcm

I'd put Carter second worst this century right after Hoover.

Probably fourth after Tyler, Fillmore, and Hoover.

Carter still has time to do more damage, so don't close the book on that count yet.

re: #70 NY Nana

Exactly. He is being used and either doesn't care or doesn't know. Either of which do not make me very comfortable.

re: #73 JamesTKirk

Coffee break is over. Stand on your head.

Carter, is one sick creep.

re: #80 HelloDare

Coffee break is over. Stand on your head.

Probably still one of my favorite jokes.

re: #75 Truck Monkey

I was born when Grover Cleveland was President and Jimmah is the worst Pres/ex Pres in the history of mankind.

What brand Geritol you using?

re: #42 So?

well journalists have been doing this for years and their reports have been seen on major primetime TV networks, so I guess not.

Most journalists refuse to embed with US troops, since that would somehow "compromise" their reports and might bias them.

But embedding with militants activists insurgents terrorists? Not a problem.

I went over to Firedog Lake...it's like the bizarro universe over there. I'm pretty sure those characters won't be happy til Israel is wiped off the map. I'd type some more but I'm busy picking up the shards of my jaw. It shattered when it hit the floor.

re: #64 Racer X

He can surrender on his own though, right?

/absolutely, that's neither treason nor a violation of the Logan Act

re: #65 pat

Aid and Comfort to the enemy

Forget the Logan Act- charge him with treason.

The election of either Clinton or Obama will recreate the Carter years for us all to enjoy !

Mmmmmm 18% interest rates, Mmmmmm 10% unemployment....sweeeeet

re: #66 HelloDare

Too bad we couldn't just change the locks, throw his clothes out the window and tell him to spend the next couple weeks sleeping on Chavez's sofa.

Sofa? The two of them would be shagging all night in Chavez' master bedroom.

So, what do people hope to gain by "talking to Hamas"?

Previously, I had never sent the Carter Center their junk mail back to them in the postage-paid envelope because I thought "Well, at least they did well on Guinea worm, and it's unethical to spend their money this way."

No more. From now on, every piece of paper the Carter Center sends me gets sent back to them in the postage-paid envelope, sans my name. If his group isn't making money had over fist maybe he won't be able to go abroad and cuddle Maoists and jihadis.

It's my little way of sticking it to The Man.

No ex-president is above the law. If Carter has been meeting with a known terrorist group he should be prosecuted.

re: #90 JamesTKirk

Sofa? The two of them would be shagging all night in Chavez' master bedroom.

Why am I picturing an Austin Powers set here?

Carter - Hillary - Obama - Gore etc.

Just remember.

"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence..."

And State recommended that he shouldn't go!

re: #91 godfrey

So, what do people hope to gain by "talking to Hamas"?

The end of Israel.

re: #75 Truck Monkey

I was born when Grover Cleveland was President and Jimmah is the worst Pres/ex Pres in the history of mankind.

That's really difficult to believe. I mean, c'mon, "in the history of mankind"?

:D

re: #71 rupert

Text of the Logan act: (wikipedia)

...directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof...

I'm not allowed to have intercourse with agents of foreign governments? Oops...

re: #68 mjazzguitar

Fatah isn't on the list.

re: #90 JamesTKirk

Sofa? The two of them would be shagging all night in Chavez' master bedroom.

AAAuuugggh. Erase, erase.

re: #49 ted

Can you run that by me again?
(no! No! Only kidding!)

re: #99 JamesTKirk

Only if it's Hamas, apparently.

re: #63 unrealizedviewpoint

Great nik & avatar. welcome!

Heh.

re: #74 swamprat

No he wasn't.

...From 1 March to 8 October, Carter was preparing to become the engineering officer for the nuclear power plant to be placed in USS Seawolf (SSN 575), one of the first submarines to operate on atomic power. He assisted in setting up training for the enlisted men who would serve on Seawolf. During this time his father became very sick and died in July 1953. After his father's death in 1953, Carter resigned from the Navy to return to Georgia to manage the family interests. Carter was honorably discharged on 9 October 1953 at Headquarters, Third Naval District in New York City. On 7 December 1961, he transferred to the retired reserve with the rank of Lieutenant at his own request. ...

And becoming an engineering officer is a different job than a nuclear engineer.

re: #88 Sharmuta

Unfortunately, in an election year, he's just going to be crazy old 'Sideshow Jimmy."

Aiding the enemy, while cloaked in The thought of I am portant...
I would like to see the A. Lincoln speech...Once again, Telling the common folk about Treason.

Carter: "You know, Meshaal, ah've been comin' heah a lawng tahm."
Meshaal: "Yes, we are big friends!" (hugs him)
Carter: "Can we talk about this Israel thing?"
Meshaal: "Come, come! I have new car! I show you!"
etc.

re: #103 rupert

Only if it's Hamas, apparently.

Are their women green?

Just ignore him and maybe he will go away - - - far away.

Clinton And The Saudis. Now there is an equally loathsome group.The financiers of Hamas as well as CAIR.

Ever wonder who was inside the Jew hating Assud, the cannibal rabbit, costume?

re: #51 pat

This asshole will be convinced he is going to heaven until the moment he arrives in hell.

I have been wordsmithing the exact same sentiment since I heard about this. round and round I have gone.

At least 24 hours I have been wracking my brain, looking for the perfect quote. What? It took you 30 seconds. Dayam.

Perfect. Thanks.

re: #110 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Just ignore him and maybe he will go away - - - far away.

The problem is that he keeps coming back

re: #54 JammieWearingFool

Maybe Jimmah can have an all-expenses stay at Club Gitmo.

And have him help Harold & Kumar escape? No thanks!

re: #105 Roger...Thank you!

Text of the Logan Act

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

Also his statement that he's been meeting with them "for years" implies that soon after Sept. 11 he thought is was a good idea to start meeting with terrorists. Twisted.

re: #110 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Just ignore him and maybe he will go away - - - far away.

Hardly, he's Gollum, with his pressscioussss, he want's another.

re: #71 rupert

Means dealings.

In honor of Jimmy's visit, Hamas has announced a twenty-one rocket salute will be fired into Israel.

re: #108 godfrey

jimmah: So- about this malaise you're in.....

re: #71 rupert

Text of the Logan act: (wikipedia)

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. &s