You mean all people aren't kind?! Wha?!

RIP

sad story. another one as stupid as St. Pancake.

What do they say about common sense?

"Her travels were for an artistic performance and to give a message of peace and of trust, but not everyone deserves trust," another sister, Maria, told the Italian news agency, Ansa.

She had said she wanted to show that she could put her trust in the kindness of local people.

Sorry about her death. Shows what we are up against.

Yet another candidate for Darvin's award.

The family "hoped she was kidnapped by the Kurds."

Thirty-three? How do you stay that naive at 33? Just sad. Sorry, no joke here. Just sad.

So is Jimmy Carter going to wear a wedding dress to meet with Hamas?

re: #3 BulgarWheat

sad story. another one as stupid as St. Pancake.

Pippa wasn't trashing anyone or anything as Corrie had done with the Jordyptians.

That's the problem with the left: they cannot face the fact that the world is as it is, not as they would like it to be. Just because a culture is a non-Western culture doesn't mean it is the peaceful, at-one-with-nature culture that Hollywood and liberal academia would have us to believe.

That is why liberals have to make up conspiracy theories about 9/11 so they will not have to face the inconvenient truth about their own feel-good, anti-American/Western dogma.

re: #3 BulgarWheat

sad story. another one as stupid as St. Pancake.

No, sorry. This isn't the same.

It's not this woman's fault she was murdered; it's the murderer's fault. She was profoundly naive and idealistic -- which left her vulnerable -- but she didn't invite what she got by picking sides.

Sad story...

There are a lot of awfully naiive people out there...

So is Jimmy Carter going to wear a wedding dress to meet with Hamas?

No, he will be wearing Monica's dress.

...and an awful lot of savages out there as wel!

It reminds me of the man that lived with grizzly bears and then one day they ate him.

I'm sad for her just the same. Ignorance shouldn't be, but often is, a capital offence.

Another self promoting moonbat meets reality and assumes room temperature.
"sigh"

Jeffrey Nihart

Sad. Tragic. Pathetic.

How do people become so naive?

Let's give nothing to the kidz or huffpo...

I remember thinking I could walk up to any person on the planet and befriend them.

I'd like to be that person again, but the person I am wants to live.

Off topic:

Way to go Iraqi forces. A good job, well done.

re: #20 Ringo the Gringo

Sad. Tragic. Pathetic.

How do people become so naive?

If you buy into all you're taught in college, listen to on the International News, etc., you would be too...

"I think there's no doubt in anyone's mind that, if Israel is ever going to find peace with justice concerning the relationship with their next-door neighbors, the Palestinians, that Hamas will have to be included in the process," Carter told U.S. television network ABC News's "This Week".

thanks jimmie for giving me this insight into my mind!

re: #7 bereli

Yet another candidate for Darvin's award.

As sad as it is, I have to agree with you.

And it's "Darwin Awards". :)

re: #18 Silhouette

What's that punchline? "After all, I am a scorpion."? Anyone remember?

She had said she wanted to show that she could put her trust in the kindness of local people.

Heck, most people ARE kind. The vast, vast majority.

But you plan for the 1 in 100,000.

Dressed as a bride and headed for the Middle East? Common sense and clear thinking aside, is anyone surprised? Some sick rapist was out looking for her and the media told him excactly where she was. This was probably his not his first, but it was his easiest kill ever. Very stupid and sad. And what does this say about world peace?

Heh.

For contrast, go read Pete Jenkins' account of walking across the United States ([Link: www.powells.com...] and think - would she have survived here? (I think probably)

Mew

Hitch-hiking, especially for women, is a very bad idea.

I knew a couple of girls in college who thought they'd be adventurous and decided to hitch-hike to Florida for spring break. they were explicitly warned.

They were found beheaded in a river in Georgia.

I nominate her for a Darwin Award

re: #22 Cognito

Off topic:

Way to go Iraqi forces. A good job, well done.

They have really been showing their worth lately... Impressive.

re: #22 Cognito

Good news is never OT!

re: #27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, I was thinking of that too.

"You knew I was a scorpion when you picked me up." or something like that.

Sad, but predictable. The world is not a friendly place by and large, this could have happened anywhere in the world, but the stakes went up higher in a land that places a bit of a lower standing of women in general.
RIP and prayers for her family.

Sad to see something like this happen. Kinda naive, but...still, the woman didnt deserve this.

Just a good example of what will happen to anyone who is not being vigilant. i'll give this an early "RoP Strikes Again", because chances are, that will factor into it.

People who feel (not think) that they are smarter then you usually aren't.

Wish I could say that the results were suprising, but they weren't, just sad

re: #28 Silhouette

perfect!

COEXIST!

re: #28 Silhouette

Really? I thought most people were cynical, slothful and downright bitter folks who cling to guns, religion or antipathy against immigrants?

OBAMA DOES NTO LEI!

/lol

re: #14 Cognito

Ya, no comparison there. Its just that the world's a dangerous place, and she didn't realize/want to realize it. Another small thing to add is that I believe hitch-hiking in Europe is still a commonplace method of travel, unlike in the US where most people realize how dangerous it can be.

re: #25 Atweber

"I think there's no doubt in anyone's mind that, if Israel is ever going to find peace with justice concerning the relationship with their next-door neighbors, the Palestinians, that Hamas will have to be included in the process," Carter told U.S. television network ABC News's "This Week".

thanks jimmie for giving me this insight into my mind!

If, by "involved" he means "the peace conference will be held on a hill made from the skulls of Hamas members", then maybe.

Mew

re: #28 Silhouette

Heck, most people ARE kind. The vast, vast majority.

But you plan for the 1 in 100,000.

I think you may be expressing numbers for the average American or European small town. But certainly not the ME. Maybe more like 1 in ? ?

re: #8 laZardo

You are describing what happened to her dress, right?

No. And BTW, yours is the first comment I am reporting to Charles.

Thanks to ABC, at least we know she was safer than a fer'ner at a NASCAR race.

re: #43 kernschatten

Another small thing to add is that I believe hitch-hiking in Europe is still a commonplace method of travel, unlike in the US where most people realize how dangerous it can be.

Give Eurabia a few more years, and they won't be hitching there anymore either.

Sad, in a number of ways. Perhaps the saddest thing about this is that naivety of this scale, at such an age, happens to other people as well.

Assuming that everyone is good not only causes stupid mistakes and needless death, as seen here, but also makes it impossible to appreciate it when one does meet a genuinely good person -- everyone's good, right? so what's so special about this guy?

Lizards who know, where did this idiotic relativism meme originate? I'm serious. This is obviously, clearly, dangerously, harmfully stupid way to think! But people think this way!

re: #22 Cognito

Off topic:

Way to go Iraqi forces. A good job, well done.

If I was an ass, I would claim that you only are giving props because they saved a journalist.

re: #8 laZardo

*WHACK*

re: #11 Phocid

So is Jimmy Carter going to wear a wedding dress to meet with Hamas?

No, they've "had" him already.

/free milk, cow story

Sad and senseless on many levels. One that she was so trusting of those around her that she ignored common sense. Loss to her family and friends. And in the end, she did nothing more than merit an obituary in the media for attempting to hitchhike across the Middle East - a dangerous proposition given that she is 1) a woman; 2) traveling alone; and 3) hitchhiking.

re: #51 MandyManners

Ouch. I deserved that. Sorry...

When did an unarmed human shield ever defend?

More likely to happen to the 'dreaming' type (literature/art). Scientists/Engineers type will be too busy at work to have the time (and money) for a World Peace tour.

I don't get the point of "dressing as a bride" though.

In a perfect world, anyone should be safe to travel alone but we aren't in a perfect world. Traveling alone, particularly if you're a woman, is at best a very foolish idea in much of the world. In this case, it became a fatal idea.

Even though she was foolish, we should save the condemnation for whoever killed her.

Another moonbat mugged by reality. Yes,it is a terrible thing that happened to her and I do hope that the perpetrators of the crime are found and dealt with ( probably will never happen ). But,this is in fact nothing more than what any person remotely aware of the concept of statistical probability would hedge a bet on happening.Yes,it is sad,yes it is amazing in this day and age of instant communication and the information that it brings that such a degree of naivete can exist,but the fact remains is that she was a naive and gullible fool that paid the highest price for her having chosen to believe in a kumbaya fairytale of the moonbat left rather than accept the ugly reality of the truth-the world has a substantial population of very bad people living in it.

Sad, very sad. A metaphor for the entire west.

We can put our trust in others.

Or we can trust in ourselves.

The difference is being dead, naked in a ditch or living in a way we choose.

re: #56 Sir Napsalot

I don't get the point of "dressing as a bride" though.

Me neither; but little of that artsy moonbat stuff makes sense in the real world.

re: #46 jamgarr

No. And BTW, yours is the first comment I am reporting to Charles.

You're probably the only one who noticed the horrible comment since he didn't use the quote feature.

re: #12 MandyManners

Mandy, sorry just got back. I agree that she wasn't trashing anyone. She was just amazingly stupid. That is what makes it so sad.

re: #50 Ben Hur

If I was an ass, I would claim that you only are giving props because they saved a journalist.

Thank goodness you're not an ass. ;)

I just happened to stumble across the story because of a journalistic connection, but I would say it was an equally good job if they had rescued a contractor, or a soldier, or an Iraqi fuul vendor. A successful hostage rescue is an impressive operation for anybody -- much less Iraqi forces that have a spotty history of organization.

Hitchhiking to the Middle East? Alone? Female?

Sad ending. Not a very good idea, really.

re: #62 unrealizedviewpoint

You're probably the only one who noticed the horrible comment since he didn't use the quote feature.

Mandy did.

re: #4 unrealizedviewpoint

What do they say about common sense?

..."It's not"

re: #62 unrealizedviewpoint

You're probably the only one who noticed the horrible comment since he didn't use the quote feature.

But please note his later retraction. Dinged him up for that.

re: #58 Stringart

In a perfect world, anyone should be safe to travel alone but we aren't in a perfect world. Traveling alone, particularly if you're a woman, is at best a very foolish idea in much of the world. In this case, it became a fatal idea.

Even though she was foolish, we should save the condemnation for whoever killed her.

If you smear yourself with barbecue sauce and climb into the lion enclosure at the zoo, the lions are not the only ones to blame for the result.

All in all a good weekend.

Munchette decided to start walking. We been trying but we'd stand her up and coax her, she'd flop down and crawl off. Yesterday she just stood up and took about six steps.

Taxes are done and filed, yes I procrastinated, no I don't feel guilty.

re: #14 Cognito

cog, that'll teach me to post and leave.

I agree both with you and Mandy on this one (red letter day)

It is very sad and horrible that this happened to her. She should have never put herself in the position she did.

A tragedy, but once again, a stupid tragedy that should not have happened.

re: #18 Silhouette

It reminds me of the man that lived with grizzly bears and then one day they ate him.

I'm sad for her just the same. Ignorance shouldn't be, but often is, a capital offence.

Uh, it's called natural selection. The big idea of civilization is to fence in a safe area where Mr. Darwin does not rear his hairy head every time you make a small mistake. When you are in a safe place, you can experiment with new things, and keep the ones that work, and civilization advances. But when you leave the city walls, brother, you'd better become alert!

I know a moonbat who has spent the last twenty years fighting for the rights of the "oppressed." (ie: evil scum that does not deserve to live in polite society.) She has fought this fight to the detriment of her own family, neglecting her children and divorcing two perfectly good husbands because they couldn't wrap their brains around the idea of rewarding bad behavior.

She was recently attacked and hit in the head multiple times with a rock by one of the very people she was trying to "save." She came within inches of death.

She has not changed her tune one bit. She feels sorry for the criminal and wonders how she could have done something different to change him for the better.

I wish I could say that I have sympathy for her but I don't.

If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

re: #68 jamgarr

But please note his later retraction. Dinged him up for that.

dinged up the retraction or original?

re: #18 Silhouette

It reminds me of the man that lived with grizzly bears and then one day they ate him.

I'm sad for her just the same. Ignorance shouldn't be, but often is, a capital offence.

Can't add much to this. It's all in the "nature" of a being. The nature of the grizzlies was to consume food as they found it. The nature of those who follow the prophet is to crush those who do not follow him.

May her family be comforted, and may her friends learn from her awful demise.

re: #22 Cognito

`We are incredibly grateful that our colleague, Richard Butler, has been released and is safe,'' Emily O'Brien, a spokeswoman for CBS Corp., said by e-mail.

? I thought he was rescued. Even when it's the Iraqi forces who deserve praise, these folks have a hard time uttering the right words.

re: #68 jamgarr

Personally, I really wanted to retract the apology. I don't get why we're actually mourning stupidity on the level of St. Pancake (as described in above comments anyway).

trust in the kindness of local people and carry a BIG stick

Yeah...

So, can this stand as evidence that they are NOT practicing a religion of peace?

/ hope

re: #74 unrealizedviewpoint

dinged up the retraction or original?

Dinged down the original - up the retraction. We all make mistakes. Fessing up to them is honorable.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

link w pics

re: #77 laZardo

Personally, I really wanted to retract the apology. I don't get why we're actually mourning stupidity on the level of St. Pancake (as described in above comments anyway).

Then - nevermind asshat.

re: #30 mijacat

Heh.

For contrast, go read Pete Jenkins' account of walking across the United States ([Link: www.powells.com...] and think - would she have survived here? (I think probably)

Mew

Yeh, that's why this is such a special place.

re: #76 latitude51

`We are incredibly grateful that our colleague, Richard Butler, has been released and is safe,'' Emily O'Brien, a spokeswoman for CBS Corp., said by e-mail.

? I thought he was rescued. Even when it's the Iraqi forces who deserve praise, these folks have a hard time uttering the right words.

Being a bit persnickety there, maybe. Reading the story, it seems to me she's just expressing gratitude.

[Link: www.ebaumsworld.com...]

Maybe she should have taken these with her on her peace quest

re: #83 jamgarr

I said I wanted to retract it, but I didn't actually do so.

re: #62 unrealizedviewpoint

I noticed it too. I should have said something. Glad someone else did.

re: #18 Silhouette

It reminds me of the man that lived with grizzly bears and then one day they ate him.

I'm sad for her just the same. Ignorance shouldn't be, but often is, a capital offence.

it is the same kind of mind set. a profound inability to process danger and act accordingly to save your life.
i think humans are the only animal to experience fear of grave danger and then ignore it to their detriment.
this woman sounds like she had no ability to even perceive danger. sometimes god watches over people like this. sad that a predator got her.

[Link: www.ebaumsworld.com...]

Or her

Two words: EPIC FAIL.

re: #77 laZardo

Personally, I really wanted to retract the apology. I don't get why we're actually mourning stupidity on the level of St. Pancake (as described in above comments anyway).

..because they just don't know better. Kinda like how a puppy runs into traffic and we don't scold the dead animal for not knowing better.

[Link: www.ebaumsworld.com...]

Better yet

Cause of Death: Adult Onset Cognitive Dissonance, Type-II, denial of reality at crucial stage in decision making process.

Uff da.

"She had said she wanted to show that she could put her trust in the kindness of local people."

Sounds like this gal fancied herself to be the real Blanche Dubois:

"I've always relied on the kindness of strangers..."

Reality, meet fantasy.

I feel bad for her folks and family...

~ENT

Unlike most moonbats, she was actually trying to live her ideals. How very sad that it ended like this.

I know it was predictable, but it's still very sad.

Utterly tragic and sad.

re: #64 Cognito

Thank goodness you're not an ass. ;)

I just happened to stumble across the story because of a journalistic connection, but I would say it was an equally good job if they had rescued a contractor, or a soldier, or an Iraqi fuul vendor. A successful hostage rescue is an impressive operation for anybody -- much less Iraqi forces that have a spotty history of organization.

Agreed.

re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I noticed it too. I should have said something. Glad someone else did.

But nobody is going back up and dinging it down though. C'mon, when we see wrong we need take action. :)

[Link: www.ebaumsworld.com...]

She could possibly help in an emergency

re: #54 laZardo

Ouch. I deserved that. Sorry...

You're lucky I didnt' take you out to the woodshed.

but little of that artsy moonbat stuff makes sense in the real world.

Having been around the type, I can tell you that they think that everything they put to canvas and everything that they utter is the height of intellectual thinking. They live in a world where everyone who doesn't "get" their line of bull is a philistine.

#69 JamesTKirk

As I said, she was foolish at best. Foolishness, even though it can be fatal, is not a crime; murder is.

visualize whirled peas and put your trust in God, not in flawed humans

re: #63 BulgarWheat

Mandy, sorry just got back. I agree that she wasn't trashing anyone. She was just amazingly stupid. That is what makes it so sad.

She probably was a sweet woman. Such a waste.

re: #97 Dianna

Unfortunately, moonbats are so blinded by reality that she probably didn't know any better until it was time to die.

ignoring reality NEVER has positive results.

re: #93 unrealizedviewpoint

..because they just don't know better. Kinda like how a puppy runs into traffic and we don't scold the dead animal for not knowing better.

A puppy is an animal. She was a human being, a sentient creature who ought to have known better but instead had the arrogance and gall to think that her delusional mindset makes her better than the rest of us. That's what these stunts are all about, showing us ignorant Islamophobes that we have no need to fear if only we're as enlightened as her and her advanced artistry.

She may think she was a martyr for peace but I think did nothing but show stupidity on her part.

"Secular" Turkey is not a safe place to hitchhike especially if you do not speak the language and also dealing with people who think that exposed meat means men get out of control...and it is women's fault and not men's when those things happen, according to their thinking.

re: #93 unrealizedviewpoint

But we appear to revile Rachel Corrie here. Or at least mock her stupidity for joining the ISM like that.

re: #106 MandyManners

She probably was a sweet woman. Such a waste.

Yeppers.

~ENT

re: #73 Whale Watcher

I know a moonbat who has spent the last twenty years fighting for the rights of the "oppressed." (ie: evil scum that does not deserve to live in polite society.) She has fought this fight to the detriment of her own family, neglecting her children and divorcing two perfectly good husbands because they couldn't wrap their brains around the idea of rewarding bad behavior.

She was recently attacked and hit in the head multiple times with a rock by one of the very people she was trying to "save." She came within inches of death.

She has not changed her tune one bit. She feels sorry for the criminal and wonders how she could have done something different to change him for the better.

I wish I could say that I have sympathy for her but I don't.

If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

She sounds mentally ill. Or, maybe she's a narcissist.

re: #110 laZardo

But we appear to revile Rachel Corrie here. Or at least mock her stupidity for joining the ISM like that.

You know, Lazardo: the first rule when you find yourself digging a hole is to stop digging.

/just sayin'

~ENT

This is a shame. I pity her.

When I was in college, waiting for a bus and in a big hurry, I accepted a ride with a guy who looked nice. He was nice, luckily. As he let me off at the destination, he said "do not EVER hitchhike again."

Now I am saying it to any of you who would ever consider hitchhiking. Don't.

The crocodiles don't care if you're with the Peace Corp... lunch is lunch.

Pippa Bacca has earned my respect. She may be a moonbat, but she is no hypocrit.

Pippa Bacca, may you rest in Unworldly Peace.

re: #117 Iron Fist

That actually clears it up there. Thanks.

re: #77 laZardo

Personally, I really wanted to retract the apology. I don't get why we're actually mourning stupidity on the level of St. Pancake (as described in above comments anyway).

See Dianna's No. 97.

re: #110 laZardo

But we appear to revile Rachel Corrie here. Or at least mock her stupidity for joining the ISM like that.

I don't think I'd place this on the level of Rachel Corrie (aka St. Pancake). She [Corrie] deliberately went into the path of a bulldozer to protect those whe knew to be terrorists. This lady was merely naive. Unlike Corrie, she was not malicious.

It is a sad story, and speaks more to the nature of the killers than anything else.

re: #110 laZardo

But we appear to revile Rachel Corrie here. Or at least mock her stupidity for joining the ISM like that.

St. Pancake KNOWINGLY joined ISM, she supported terrorist to the point of burning an American Flag. She was "protecting" a house that was used in the smuggling of weapons.

St. Pancake joined sides in war.

This women, was deluded into thinking her actions could change the trajectory of the RoP.

Very, very different.

Tragic.

re: #117 Iron Fist

re: #122 jcm

GMTA!

re: #110 laZardo

But we appear to revile Rachel Corrie here. Or at least mock her stupidity for joining the ISM like that.

St. Pancake was an anti-Semitic asshole, as is ISM.

I see no comparison to Rachel Corrie, Corrie was actively involved with aiding terrorist when she was killed. This women had good intentions.

Seconds before her death she became a republican no doubt.

re: #70 jcm

got mine done too...life is good

I apologize for my sarcastic "COEXIST!" comment above. Thinking it over, it does seem a bit mocking... I mock the woman's naive ideology, not herself.

re: #117 Iron Fist

,

Rachael Cory joined with the enemy. She died protecting a terrorist tunnel. That is a mockable death.

This woman didn't join with the enemy. She merly had a nieve and ultimately fatal trust in her fellow man. It is not seemly to mock her death, only pity her.

re: #107 LanceKates

Not the point. It's a sad story.

re: #126 bulwrk

I see no comparison to Rachel Corrie, Corrie was actively involved with aiding terrorist when she was killed. This women had good intentions.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

re: #127 deanayer

Seconds before her death she became a republican no doubt.

Not necessarily. Scroll up to post #73

Poor foolish woman, what a pointless way to die. I wouldn't hitch-hike in my own city, much less across the Middle East.

re: #73 Whale Watcher

There is a missed point to all of the people who scream for the rights of the offenders and that society has caused so many to become criminals. The point ignored is the large number of people who NEVER turn to violence and crime coming out of difficult situations. How do you account for them? Based on many of these moonbat arguments, all poor people should be thugs and criminals, and it just isn't so. In the end, we really are held accountable for our own actions. But that would put a ton of moonbats out of work.

re: #117 Iron Fist

Amen

re: #129 hayseed

got mine done too...life is good

Me too!

Glad I'm not the only one who always waits.

Some folks refuse to believe that there is evil out there.
These are all too often the same folks that believe the U.S. is evil.

re: #131 Dianna

Not the point. It's a sad story.

My point is WHY it is a sad story.

re: #126 bulwrk

I see no comparison to Rachel Corrie, Corrie was actively involved with aiding terrorist when she was killed. This women had good intentions.

Isn't the road to Hell paved with it?

re: #112 MandyManners

She sounds mentally ill. Or, maybe she's a narcissist.

I lean towards the latter but then I believe that most moonbats are narcissists.

re: #114 Cattt

This is a shame. I pity her.

When I was in college, waiting for a bus and in a big hurry, I accepted a ride with a guy who looked nice. He was nice, luckily. As he let me off at the destination, he said "do not EVER hitchhike again."

Now I am saying it to any of you who would ever consider hitchhiking. Don't.

Hitchhiking was my primary mode of transportation as a youth. Only once did it nearly kill me.

"Her travels were for an artistic performance and to give a message of peace and of trust, but not everyone deserves trust," another sister, Maria, told the Italian news agency, Ansa.

Amen to that.

It just appears to me that no Muslim has stopped for my thumb since 9/11.

Been playing mind tricks on hysterical Evangelicals, gruff marijuana cops, presumable KGB agents, and all kinds of pangalactic weirdos, but no Muslims. I remember immigrant small business people stopping before the war however.

"Sir, you don´t take an additional risk with a hitchhiker, the responsibility is always with the culprit of an accident, even when I sit in the other car."

Hey Guiseppina, hitchhiking is all about instant reaction to key stimuli. other hitchhikers will teach you that if you are open to learning. Don´t expect any modesty on the road, if you dress as they do in the sex trades that´s how you´ll be dealt with.

This case is closer to Amy Biehl than St. Pancake.

re: #108 JamesTKirk

Consider that she seems to have lived in a world where all the edges were padded, and she probably never dealt with anything harsher than someone being rude to her. She may have been 33 in years, but in experience she was probably closer to a very trusting six year old.

re: #125 MandyManners

re: #122 jcm

re: #121 Honorary Yooper

/you learn something everyday, thanks

Let me guess Mossad and the jooos will get the blame.

re: #139 warnergt

Often, especially when someone has a good life as Americans REALLY do in comparison to much of the world, they have this notion (without even knowing about it) that the rest of the world is filled with people who are just as good as we.

Even our liberals, who would take our rights away to line their pockets, wouldn't resort to torture and killing of women 'not dressed enough' . ..

As such, there is a bit of morality tranferrence onto TRULY evil people (especially leaders) that since OURS are basically good, they must be as well.

It really isn't so, however.

Tragic and sad.

It seems that she just simply chose to risk her life, and she lost.

How silly and wasteful. When there are so many things worth living for.

.

re: #152 Dad O' Blondes

She likely didn't believe that it was a risk.

Many of her mindset that I have met believe that the 'evil' is just war propaganda hype.

Local media identified the suspect only by the initials MK and said he had a previous conviction for theft.

MK? Wanna bet that the M stands for Mohammed?

Sad, but sometimes people do stupid stuff without actually thinking it through.

Before we were married, my wife and a friend of hers (both in the military) decided to take the ferry from Spain to Tunis and hitchhike through North Africa. They also decided to wear native clothes too.

Luckily nothing happened to them. She didn't even realize they were in any kind of danger until I showed her a few stories on what routinely happens to unescorted women in that area of the world.

re: #115 Terp Mole

The crocodiles don't care if you're with the Peace Corp... lunch is lunch.

Oh, what was that Farside?!...two gators on the riverbank...Stomachs full, people paraphanalia all around, one gator says:

"That was fantastic! No horns, claws, fur, just nice soft flesh."

re: #135 AndyMacOP

I forget who said it, but:

To blame poverty for crime is a sort of slander on the poor.

re: #155 johnnyreb

Many do not understand that while there is gender equality here (though some suggest the scale is tipping the other way), there is not gender equality elsewhere.

Whooo. some deletin' just went on a few floors up.

Good day lizards.
This person must have known the risk she was taking by hitchhiking alone. And the risk of a female hitchhiker being seriously harmed is very substantial, especially when she travels alone in a foreign land.
IMO she probably had a death wish. And quite frankly I am a little sick of people who think so little of life that they are willing to throw it away. Her self-destructive conduct should not be praised or held out as an example of noble behavior for our kids to emulate.

re: #143 unrealizedviewpoint

Hitchhiking was my primary mode of transportation as a youth. Only once did it nearly kill me.

Oh dear. I'm glad you are still with us!

I will say this - most of the liberal viewpoints I take exception with either fall into the category of the lib being either mind-numbingly superficial (e.g. war is bad so therefore, no wars should be fought) or mind-numbingly complex (e.g. 911 Troofers).

This is proof that pacifism is immoral. This woman took her own welfare and life for granted. Now her family and friends must live without her love and kindness in their lives, and deal with their grief, sadness and anguish. This woman is no longer in pain, but all those who love her are, and she had no right to gamble her life away in this manner.

It must be a sickness or mental brainwashing of some kind.

"Her travels were for an artistic performance and to give a message of peace and of trust, but not everyone deserves trust," another sister, Maria, told the Italian news agency, Ansa.

Well she definitely found peace. Probably not her idea of it though. More like eternal.

How very sad for her and her family.

Non-reality-based thinking can really get you in trouble: "True belief" in something does NOT make the universe operate in harmony with your beliefs.

I am so grateful to have been brought up in a civilization that believes the Universe functions according to laws & principles that are knowable; that Reason can find Truth.

Imagine the chaos of a mind which has been taught that God may change up to down at a whim, that reason is a lie, that incurious submission to a belief based on lies and evil is the proper way to engage the universe. How can Islam be so strong when it is so stupid and anti-rational?

re: #87 buzzsawmonkey

Bingo. And she was obviously an infidel. Fair game.

re: #135 AndyMacOP

There is a missed point to all of the people who scream for the rights of the offenders and that society has caused so many to become criminals. The point ignored is the large number of people who NEVER turn to violence and crime coming out of difficult situations. How do you account for them? Based on many of these moonbat arguments, all poor people should be thugs and criminals, and it just isn't so. In the end, we really are held accountable for our own actions. But that would put a ton of moonbats out of work.

You what is really sad? She was raised upper middle-class but both her parents grew up extremely poor. Extremely. They are both decent, honest and kind people who would never dream of committing a crime of any kind. They blame no one for their childhoods. They do not wallow in self-pity. They simply pulled themselves up and worked for better lives.

She is their child and they love her but they look at her and just shake their heads.

Their other kids are normal. Perhaps she is a throwback to a previous moonbat generation.

I am guessing that this was her maiden voyage to "secular" Turkey. If she'd ever been there before she'd have known that wandering around in a wedding dress would be viewed as an act of instigation, not a gesture of "peace." And instigating random Turkish men (whether you mean to or not) is straight-up dangerous.

I traveled around "secular" Turkey back in the early '90s and found it to be a rather intimidating place. I don't care what anyone says, Turkey is NOT a safe place for a single woman to be wandering around, regardless of what she wears. Sadly, naievete can kill.

re: #156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, what was that Farside?!...two gators on the riverbank...Stomachs full, people paraphanalia all around, one gator says:

"That was fantastic! No horns, claws, fur, just nice soft flesh."

LOL. I love that one, but my fave is one where two polar bears are chomping down on an igloo & one says "Man, I love these things - crunchy on the outside with a chewy center."

in a world full of idiots there is an abundance of irony (or poetic justice)

I have no idea what the rape stats in Turkey are, and like most Islamic countries, they are likely juggled anyway, but I can assure you this criminal believes that raping, robbing and killing an infidel is far from serious. Much less so than blaspheme or slandering the State. 12 years in jail, 11 out for religious fervor.

re: #160 sparrowlake

Who was praising it? No one I saw.

Who felt it a good example for children? A few saw it as a cautionary tale; other than that, no one I saw.

From an idealistic life to a stupid death. Very, very sad; and all the more sad for its predictability.

re: #106 MandyManners
Yep, I agree. I think she really believed that peace and love will overcome barbarians. It was a truly tragic waste and NOTHING like Rachel Corrie who was actively involved in helping the Pali's against Israel.

#121 Honorary Yooper

It is a sad story, and speaks more to the nature of the killers than anything else.

It also speaks very loudly of her willful and foolish belief in the inherent goodness of man. Many on the left share this naive belief about man's goodness that is exponentially stupid when it involves the Middle East. Had this woman been a serious student of middle eastern culture - especially their misogynistic views of women - I doubt she would've done this.

Let me preface this by saying that I do feel sad for her family. However, this 33 year old human being set out to show the rest of us that she knows better than us the true nature of humankind (especially those nice folks in the middle east). According to the BBC "Ms di Marineo was hitch-hiking from Milan to Israel and the Palestinian Territories" . What message do you think she was going to deliver at her destination?

re: #172 pat

She might well have been raped and murdered as horribly here in the States. At any given time, there are (so I read) something like 22 serial killers operating. A hitcher is extremely vulnerable.

re: #154 kalifornia kafir

MK? Wanna bet that the M stands for Mohammed?

You'd lose:

Police arrested Murat Karatas, who later confessed that he first raped and killed di Marineo. Turkish people condemned the murder as the leading newspaper Hurriyet wrote "We are ashamed" in the headline. [Link: www.hurriyet.com.tr...]

re: #177 Ornery Ballsack

We don't know, and it doesn't matter now.

re: #14 Cognito

It's not this woman's fault she was murdered; it's the murderer's fault. She was profoundly naive and idealistic -- which left her vulnerable -- but she didn't invite what she got by picking sides.

I have to disagree with this, in very strong terms. As some pointed out, one does not go marching into a lion's cage, hoping to persuade the lion that you mean no harm and therefore no harm will come to you.

The contrast to St. Pancake may be valid, but while "she didn't invite what she got by picking sides," she refused to acknowledge that many times "you're clearly not with us, so you're against us" is the only side that matters to others. She didn't choose sides, so one was chosen for her.

I have no sympathy for her.

If she were armed, things might have turned out differently.

re: #178 Dianna

She might well have been raped and murdered as horribly here in the States. At any given time, there are (so I read) something like 22 serial killers operating. A hitcher is extremely vulnerable.

That is absolutely true. Although the murder is far less likely. But the killer would be aware that he would face the death penalty and it is likely there would actually be an appreciative fan club to accompany the artist.

I guess I'm on the fence.

I do feel bad for her surviving family... Any death of an innocent (even an ignorant one) is sad.

However, at the same time, if you do not take action to defend yourself, or prepare yourself to defend yourself, you have little recourse but to become a victim.

hitchhiking through turkey in a wedding dress might qualify as being ill-prepared.

re: #180 Dianna

We don't know, and it doesn't matter now.

It probably wouldn't have mattered anyway. If Israel can tell the terror apologist Jimmah to take a hike (figuratively speaking), they'll waste little effort and ink to do the same for this moonbat and her ilk.

You can't fix stupid. Especially performance art stupid.

If she were a mime...

re: #173 Dianna

Who was praising it? No one I saw.

Who felt it a good example for children? A few saw it as a cautionary tale; other than that, no one I saw.

This type of high-risk death-defying conduct should be roundly condemned. The victim had no regard for her life or for the feelings of her family and loved ones. Sympathy for her which is untempered by disgust and revulsion is tantamount to tacit approval. We all know how impressionable kids can so easily get the wrong idea.
Maybe I am a bit oversensitive in this day and age where so many seem to thirst for martyrdom.

The Vatican is rightfully concerned now-secularized, "liberation theology-believing" neomarxist moonbat Italians are halving their population numbers each generation. Sorry this woman chose the wrong fork in the road to "peace".

I am sorry this woman did not find happiness & love locally, as a fulfilled human in a real family, instead of looking for validation in all the wrong places--that "global village" ruled by the UN's secular Pope, where anti-judeo/christians now rule.

(Last night's documentary about the fate of secular Europe's islamization "Pope Benedict the 16th: Travel to America" was excellent on Fox News Cable, and is available at their website)

re: #190 taxfreekiller

some say check out the numbers on murder/rapes by illegal immigrants
within the U.S.A.

self protection begins at home

Yes. It does.

re: #190 taxfreekiller

some say check out the numbers on murder/rapes by illegal immigrants
within the U.S.A.

self protection begins at home

Actually I have done extensive research on that issue. A illegal alien is 6 times more likely to commit a violent felony than the background population.

re: #194 pat

but they just come here to work!

Surely they wouldn't break any laws! (like being here illegally, driving without a license, driving without insurance, identify fraud, social security fraud, etc etc etc)

re: #169 obscured by clouds

I am guessing that this was her maiden voyage to "secular" Turkey. If she'd ever been there before she'd have known that wandering around in a wedding dress would be viewed as an act of instigation, not a gesture of "peace." And instigating random Turkish men (whether you mean to or not) is straight-up dangerous.

I traveled around "secular" Turkey back in the early '90s and found it to be a rather intimidating place. I don't care what anyone says, Turkey is NOT a safe place for a single woman to be wandering around, regardless of what she wears. Sadly, naievete can kill.

* * *
Heck, "secular" Germany has Turkish hamlets south of Hamburg where 100% Turkish communities rule!

Talk about intimidating--all Turkish people on German public transport, men reeking of tobacco, all women wearing hijab.

(Mohammed Atta the Egyptian architecture student who piloted planes into the World Trade Center on 9/11 lived in Hamburg--plenty of islamists no doubt)

re: #191 buzzsawmonkey

Anyone else notice that it is the very people who are constantly saying that "we must be sensitive to other cultures" that are, in fact, themselves so insensitive to other cultures--so unaware of cultural differences--that they put themselves at risk for tragic events like this?

I'm sensitive to our own culture [Brooklyn], and I was nearly grabbed off my own street by 5 men in a van one night while out walking my huge dog. Moral of the story. Nowhere is safe.

#191

I would have dinged you up twice, if possible, for that.

re: #197 NoSubmission

while YOU may be sensitive to it, those who made the anti-gun regulations are not.

Interesting, however, that THEY are protected by armed guards and you cannot be.

re: #197 NoSubmission

I'm sensitive to our own culture [Brooklyn], and I was nearly grabbed off my own street by 5 men in a van one night while out walking my huge dog. Moral of the story. Nowhere is safe.

Gawd - I hope your dog defended you!

Well, I reckon this thread is dead since there's another thread open.
But I gotta say this: however ignorant, uninformed, and idealistic this woman was, she truly didn't deserve to be murdered. All she was trying to do, from the information available, was to live out her ideals - not a smart thing to do when your ideals are peace, love and harmony and you're dealing with true barbarians. But she truly didn't deserve to be murdered and quite frankly some of the comments on this thread sicken me.

Naivety will get you killed...

Hmmm... Linky no worky now.

re: #204 Ward Cleaver

Hmmm... Linky no worky now.

Now it works. Make a liar out of me, BBC?

How is this playing in Italy? Any Italian readers here?

re: #189 taxfreekiller

if you search for "delete" and get nothing, is there meaning in that?

Dancing on the edge of a wormhole there. If you found it, it wouldn't be deleted would it? Push any farther and the interwebz will turn inside out.

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

That's horrific. Thank G-d you came out of it OK.

Of course, that wasn't an exercise of "sensitivity" or its supposed lack; you weren't "putting yourself out there." That was simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Do you have any idea why they went after you? And how did you get away?

They spotted me and my huge dog a few blocks away. It wasn't until they got up close, slid open the side panel door and got a look at just HOW big my dog was that they changed their minds. They guy who was about to grab me looked at my Alaskan Malamute, looked at the guys in the back of the van and said , 'WTF! Are you kidding me?' and they drove off, slowly, like they had nowhere to go.

Thousands of years ago, when pilgrims travelled through foreign countries to do their pilgrimages, they took shelter in missions and hostal set up by the holy Roman empire's Church.

Even moonbat Shirley McClaine walked that thousand or so kilometer Santiago Camino pilgrimmage from France through northern Spain to Santiago de Compostela in Galicia. McClain took shelter in these old catholic hostels set up to protect weary travellers.

In California, these religious places of refuge were called missions, which go up and down the California coast.

Somehow, they don't exist in islam, or islam never got the word about protecting innocents abroad.

re: #200 yma o hyd

Gawd - I hope your dog defended you!

I thought they were after my dog. Wasn't until later that it really hit me what they were after.

Very sad. I feel bad for her family.

While her murder was senseless and tragic and my heart goes out to her family and friends, the truth is that she was a raging narcissist exhibitionist, just like all of our stateside leftoids who engage in street theatre to attract attention. Wandering around Turkey in a bridal dress is all about "Look at me! Look at how creative/special/cool/wise I am!" Her costume of choice was nothing more than a chaste version of Breasts Not Bombs.

re: #208 NoSubmission
Didja report that to the cops?

re: #201 realwest

Well, I reckon this thread is dead since there's another thread open.
But I gotta say this: however ignorant, uninformed, and idealistic this woman was, she truly didn't deserve to be murdered. All she was trying to do, from the information available, was to live out her ideals - not a smart thing to do when your ideals are peace, love and harmony and you're dealing with true barbarians. But she truly didn't deserve to be murdered and quite frankly some of the comments on this thread sicken me.

Agreed. She did not "deserve" to get killed. Noone deserves to get killed unless they put someone else's life at risk.

Hitch-Hiking will bring world peace. Right and I can fly to the moon. Whatever. She was leaving in her own fantasy bubble and never got to see what the real world was like.

re: #209 alegrias "or islam never got the word about protecting innocents abroad." Or innocents at home, either.

re: #209 alegrias

Even moonbat Shirley McClaine walked that thousand or so kilometer Santiago Camino pilgrimmage from France through northern Spain to Santiago de Compostela in Galicia. McClain took shelter in these old catholic hostels set up to protect weary travellers.

Somehow, they don't exist in islam, or islam never got the word about protecting innocents abroad and a broad.

Fixed. ;-)

re: #213 realwest

Didja report that to the cops?

No. I didn't. I wasn't thinking straight.
I regret not reporting it. Deeply. They would have been easy to spot too meandering aimlessly in a light colored van.
I will regret that for the rest of my life.

re: #112 MandyManners

She sounds mentally ill. Or, maybe she's a narcissist.

She was some sort of performance artist...usually a fine line there.

re: #215 jdun I reckon she got to see what the real world is like when she was beaten, stripped and (probably) gang raped just before she was murdered.

re: #18 Silhouette

Grizzly Man

I look at this movie, shake my head, and wonder how anyone could possibly think its a good idea to live with wild animals.

Moonbats look at it, and sing the praises of someone who "got past western stereotypes".

Tragic. And since the "Peace Activists" will probably pay no heed, or make excuses for it... she will have died in vain.

re: #218 NoSubmission
Hey No Sub - don't regret it for the rest of your life, it was an incredibly stressful situation you were put in.
But, God Forbid, anything like that happens again, or happens to any of your female friends, y'all should report it or insist that your friends report it.
I used to know LOTS of cops when I lived in NYC and they LOVE to catch mofo's like that. And they will truly LOOK for 'em - lots of those cops have daughters, sisters and wives who could have been victimized.

re: #222 gander

look for people to blame us.

If only we had not angered them by fighting against the 'freedom fighters'. . . blather like that.

if the msm discusses it at all.

re: #201 realwest
I couldn't agree with you more.

re: #190 taxfreekiller
Yes, my friend, self-protection does begin at home.
But you and I know that there are barbarians out there posing as humans - we've met them and meted out our own form of justice. Everyone, but perhaps especially men, needs to be taught AT HOME that the conduct exhibited by her murderers is completely and totally morally unacceptable.

She had said she wanted to show that she could put her trust in the kindness of local people.

OK Peaceniks, so now what is your Plan "B?"

re: #225 snowcrash Thank you for that. The milk of human kindness sometimes runs very shallow out here, I'm afraid.

re: #227 oh_dude

Erase memory of failure of plan A.

re: #224 LanceKates I sincerely doubt that the MSM will discuss it very much, and certainly not in depth.
Now if they could tie it to "militants" *spit* or Jews or some werid "Christian Sect" then they would go on and on and on about it.
And still miss the significant issues, as they always do.

re: #230 realwest

If they could connect it to jews or christians, it'd replace even the election coverage for a few days.

Especially with Carter trying to meet with Hamas.

Huh. Read Charles link and see what her sister had to say: "Her travels were for an artistic performance and to give a message of peace and of trust, but not everyone deserves trust," another sister, Maria, told the Italian news agency, Ansa.

re: #232 realwest

I'd rather be Han Solo, running through the Death Star looking for the Princess than a woman in Turkey, hitchhiking in a wedding dress for 'performance purposes'

Did they steal her lamp?

re: #201 realwest

Amen to that. Sh*t happens. You don't know what evil will cross your path. What about the co-eds some years ago whose cars broke down driving back home on Interstates in midwest, only to be abducted and raped/murdered by some serial killer trucker? I wonder if those vermin were ever caught. I don't think the typical person would see driving afar as a high risk venture. It even happens close to home. Ever sense someone wanted to do evil to you?

At least they did find this misguided lady's body and brought some closure to the family.

re: #231 LanceKates
Yup. In fact I notice Charles has another thread on Jimmy's intermediary with Hamas up now.
I'll take a quick glance and call it a day - Jimmy Carter disgusts me every bit as much as this story does - and probably more since he's deliberately cooperating with people whose stated goal is the death of all Jews.

Just another crappy news day.

re: #235 madmax517

Your point is one of the main reasons why I'm adopting a CCW-travel program.

I take my gun with me, loaded, concealed. If the state won't let me in that way, then they don't need my money.

re: #73 Whale Watcher

For a second there I thought you were talking about Barry O's momma... Very similar in deed!

re: #233 LanceKates
Please see my #232; apparently her "performance purposes" were to give a message of peace and of trust according to her sister (Charles' link).

Even (perhaps especially) Jesus Christ couldn't deliver a message of peace and trust over there.
Fucking barbarians.

Casablanca is on TCM.

"We are from Bulgaria. It is bad there. The Devil has the people by the throat."

It's not just Bulgaria, Sister. And it's not just then, either.

Leftism kills -- just ask the multiple millions who have been slaughtered in this century by far left policies.

re: #239 realwest

Jesus message wasn't Peace and Trust, but Salvation.

Jesus wasn't a pacifist. His Disciples were armed.

re: #242 LanceKates I didn't say it was; I said even Jesus couldn't deliver a message of peace and trust to these fucking barbarians.

On the brighter side, she won't have dumb ass children. Sort of a Darwin situation.

A similar incident happened to an ex-student of mine in Mexico.
Google Carol Schlosburg... A waaste of excelent talent.

re: #241 Richard Romano Your correct, but you'd still be correct if you said alleged "religions" instead of
Leftism.

re: #243 realwest

Oh, I know. Just pointing it out.

re: #244 kansas I couldn't be more underwhelmed by your compassion.

re: #242 LanceKates

Jesus message wasn't Peace and Trust, but Salvation.

Jesus wasn't a pacifist. His Disciples were armed.

And didn't think twice about hackin' off an ear.

re: #249 redstateredneck

Yup.

Of course, Jesus healed it, but the chastisement wasn't over the violence, but that what was to happen had to pass.. and they should not stop it.

Pacifist-Jesus people don't recognize that.

Well I'm outta here. Hope most of you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

#244 kansas

kansas, all you're doing is making believers in evolution look bad.

There is a silver lining here 10 feet thick.

Seems amazing she even made it to Turkey.

#201 realwest

No, this poor woman did not deserve to be murdered.

I wish she'd tried her performance stunt somewhere here in the USA. We can be dangerous too, but I think she'd have had a much better chance (and, with people following her on their blogs, taking cell phone pics of her, etc., she probably would have gotten so much attention from the public, she couldn't have just disappeared.)

#255 Ploome Hinenei

Or, howzabout a troop of commando killer rabbits, to pursue him across the Middle East?

I feel a great deal of sympathy for the woman, and her family.

I feel no sympathy whatsoever for the dimwitted multiculturalists who dinned into her naive head the idea the all human beings are exactly the same, they're all essentially good and we've all one big fluffy-huggy family of man!

We have to realize that we're not.

Reminds me of the Italian boy who went to Israel on a peace mission and was almost immediately murdered by the Palestinians in the old city. The real culprit here is the European press which consistently paints Muslim security threats as the invention of the US and Israel.

re: #8 laZardo

You are describing what happened to her dress, right?

Obama and I voted PRESENT on the (+) or ( - ) vote for your post

In Turkey? Wow, I thought Turkey was the ideal Islamic country. /sarcasm

"She had said she wanted to show that she could put her trust in the kindness of local people."

It looks like she could not put her trust in others.

I would never recommend that anyone visit any area anywhere in the Middle East, most of Africa, or a good part of Central and/or South America without being competent in the operation and use of the AK-47 and a variety of handguns.

No, you can't "have" one while you're there, but it's quite likely that any residents you're staying with (especially in the middle east!) or any guide you're riding with will, AKs are nearly ubiquitous. And being able to quickly bring one into action without fumbling due to being familiar with it could indeed save your life. It's why the military trains troops with adversary weapons, so they can fight with a pickup AK if their rifle malfunctions.

There are a lot of bad people in the world, and knowledge in the form of how to defend yourself with the most likely tools to be found in those uncertain areas is indeed an excellent weapon to have.

Was she related to this idiot?
[Link: dwb.adn.com...]

"The fearless former drug addict from Malibu, Calif. -- who routinely eased up close to bears to chant "I love you'' in a high-pitched, sing-song voice -- was the subject of a show on the Discovery Channel..."
HAHAHAHA! What a dope!

re: #249 redstateredneck

And didn't think twice about hackin' off an ear.

Peter wasn't going to the ear.

...he was going for the head~!

The slave moved his head at the last second and Peter nicked him in the ear.

(People don't swing swords to take off ears. Think about it a little...)

Jesus was still kind enough to put the slave's ear back on, though the slave was with the contingent who would take Jesus by force and hurt Him so badly.

That Jesus...He's truly a great Person!

What a contrast to Muhamhead, huh?

~ENT

re: #28 Silhouette

Heck, most people ARE kind. The vast, vast majority.

But you plan for the 1 in 100,000.

Unfortunately, its much closer to 1 in 50 you have to plan for :(

Very sad. This confirms that liberals believe everyone is basically good "deep inside."

How foolish. Conservatives believe that people are capable of great evil, and that one must be ever vigilant — as an individual, and as a country.

I remember a story in San Francisco. A woman was walking alone, late at night, on a street near a dangerous part of town. She spotted a black man on the street walking toward her. Her first feeling was fear, and she thought to cross the street for safety. But her inner voice of political correctness asserted itself, and she decided not to react. She didn't want to be accused of racism. The man pulled out a knife, demanded money, and ended up cutting her in a brief scuffle.

There is a great deal of arrogance in this kind of "peace promotion."

Hitchiking alone as a non-Turkish woman in a bridesdress across Turkey... smart move. (Not!) Th%u0131s country keeps getting more and more islamified. I have enough problems with the mentality here as it is. Turkish men hear me speaking with my wife and assume she's a foreigner and therefore a candidate for whatever they want. This mentality mainly comes from the East and tends to be encouraged by some of the crazy things the European tourists do here when they come here on vacation as well as various [bigoted word] elements. Where I teach now, I have some beardie-weirdie [bigoted word] students in my class. I'm glad that they're in the minority. On one hand they say that women should have the right to wear headscarves (yet said that women in Saudi and Malaysia who are FORCED to wear them should move elsewhere!) yet froth at the mouth when they talk about Russian and European girls. Non [bigoted word] women are just playthings for them. What this peacenik expected.. Ill never understand. I would never hitchhike alone (as a male) anywhere! Turkey is definitely not safe for that.
This country is getting more and more islamified. The AKP party is trying to clamp down and most of the educated people who I know really hope that they will be made illegal and that the army will take over.
Just off topic a bit they're trying to shut down Istanbul's last pork butcher! The swine are trying to crackdown on swine! Istanbul's Last Pork Butcher Fights Islamist Crackdown on Swine

Folks,

I am going to say something a little tiny bit mean:

That she died is horrible. She is a sacrifice of the best and most hopeful of humans to the worst of human nature.

Here is the thought that is grinding: What did she expect to happen, traveling in a wedding dress? A wedding dress, and having a girl with you alone in one, is an unspoken invitation to treat you like a bride, or in other words, consumate the meeting. She had no reason to expect a person of limited education, no matter what religion, to find the nuance in her choice of apparel.

Her choice of clothing, advertizing of event with the media ("I'm going to hitch hike to the middle-east in a wedding dress") are indicative of a huge lack of judgment on her part.

But may she rest in peace, and may the family find comfort.

Remember it's only "rape" if there are four witnesses. Otherwise, under Islamic law the victim is guilty of leading the perpetrator astray.

Sad, that's all it is. But by no means unexpected.
Sluf

re: #5 MandyManners

Upon hearing her statement it is highly likely that several mullahs issued a fatwa calling for her death because she "insulted Islam"

Posters have commented on her apparent obliviousness of the cultural differences between her home country and middle eastern ones.
I never cease to be astonished by the willing cultural blindness of people I know who happen to be liberals/peacenicks/moonbats here locally.
Even if I showed them this article they would find weasel room.
They greeted the little 8-year old Yemeni girl's need for a divorce with the moral equivalence that I didn't know how lovingly most muslim children are raised.
Puh-lease!

re: #267 DebbieSym

That is almost exactly what happened to a hipster/lefty friend of mine. He was walking home through a marginal section of Oakland late at night, and saw a group of young black males on the sidewalk ahead of him. As he told me later, he feared that if he walked to the other side of the street, he'd be seen as "racist." So he walked right through them. When he was in their midst, they jumped him.

He got badly beat up, but it could have been worse. Another pedestrian rushed to his defense, and scared off the mob. By his estimation, if the pack had been on him for another seven seconds or so, he might have been beaten to death.

The next day, he signed up for self-defense lessons. He's now qualified in Krav Maga.

Got my first post deleted. Possibly could rephrase...had to do with Darwin...oh forget it. So sad...just a shame we can't just treck through the world singing lalala.

#267, 274 and others who know that your gut warns you but your PC mind ignores it...there's a really cool book for PC people to get them back in touch with their inner screamer of common sense, their ''fight-or-flight'' voice.
It's called, "The Gift of Fear," by Gavin De Becker.
Violent acts are not unpredictable.
I learned a lot.

Peace by "showing she could put her trust in the kindness of local people"? Apparently not if you're Christian and the local people happen to be Muslim. Instead, you should be extra vigilant if the community byword is "Kill the Infidel".
Did anyone locate the deceased's tin foil hat?

I had not heard this story until now.

How can someone reach the age of 33 and still believe the nonsense that there's no one evil in the world, that such an idea would be safe because people are basically trustworthy? And in that part of the world of all things!

My God, how incredibly stupid can someone be? What kind of world do you live in (in your mind) to go through life that way?

re: #278 Mo86

"How can someone reach the age of 33 and still believe the nonsense that there's no one evil in the world(?)"