There's no reason they should protect the terrorist-hugger.

Well, Jimmy, I guess you're on your own.

He's so well liked over there, does he really need security for his security?

Big enough message yet?
Got it yet Jimmy?

Now, if only [deleted] [deleted] [deleted].

I agree with the move: Why should you protect someone who is actively promoting your insecurity?

Yet the question still stands: Why feed your enemy as he actively tries to murder you?

"You're on your own, dickhead."

/shin bet

They should have gone whole hog and refused him permission to land in Israel. Nobody is required to play host to an enemy and Carter has made it clear that he is and has been for quite some time hand and glove in cahoots with terrorists whose stated intent is to drive every Israeli into the sea.

Good for Israel.

Good for Israel.

Carter doesn't need protection from terrorists, as they will be the ones most likely protecting him, anyway.

"And sometimes a Hellfire goes a little astray."

Another source described the snub

That's not a "snub". That's a slap in the face.

Trying viligently to clean up my language...but can not resist

Hoo-Fucking-Ray! Well played.

Jeez, It'd be really sad if islamic terrorists kidnapped Jimmy Carter!

(really, it would)

JWM

As with Olmert's refusal to meet with him, the message is "Draw your own conclusions". I think they've had enough, and rightly so.

Former president Carter then requested transportation assistance and was given a bridal gown and a map.

Go Israel! You love the terrorists so much have them protect you.

Good for Israel.

I wish the US would cut off his secret service protection.

Let Hamas provide his security.

Gee, maybe he will be taken hostage and held for 444 days, ya think.....

re: #18 Ornery Ballsack

Former president Carter then requested transportation assistance and was given a bridal gown and a map.

That's gold!

re: #20 TalkinKamel

Good for Israel.

I wish the US would cut off his secret service protection.

Carter will be kept safe by Hamas and any Al Queda he meets on the way. They love their man, Bin Jimmah

And they are surprised that after a decades long position that is anti-Israel, that Israel doesn't waltz out to greet his visit with fireworks, flowers and full protective support? I applaud the gesture. Now he should show his faith in Hamas by attending his planned meeting sans his own security.

re: #18 Ornery Ballsack

Former president Carter then requested transportation assistance and was given a bridal gown and a map.

Dagnabit. I sucked cigarette smoke the wrong way when I read that. It hurts.

re: #17 dhawken

As with Olmert's refusal to meet with him, the message is "Draw your own conclusions". I think they've had enough, and rightly so.

As well they should have done. Washington both past and current has made it more than apparent that Israel is on its own.

Wiat until the Palis take a shot at him and claim it was the Mossad trying to make the Palis look bad.

Why does Carter need the Jews to protect him anyway? I thought he was friends with the terrorists.

Yay, Israel! Good move!

The United States should refuse to let Jimmie the Dhimmie back into the US. He has been cavorting with our enemies.

Meantime, the ex-president toured a rocket-battered Israeli town, saying he deplored Palestinian militant attacks on Israel.

Deplored them? Because they weren't effective enough?

re: #20 TalkinKamel

Good for Israel.

I wish the US would cut off his secret service protection.

He gets grabbed up by the wrong jihadis, he's liable to get something else cut off.

Nothing unusual.

The Olmert Government is declining security assistance to the citizens of Sderot. To all of Israel by continuing to appease the barbarians.

I feel sorry for the real Secret Service agents who will be forced to protect this batty crackpot in enemy territory with no local support or intel. My hope for them is that without Israel's support they will be able to cite real security concerns and prevent Emperor Palpatine from making the trip.

I have a question. What if he is assassinated? How quickly will the MSM and their moonbat allies jump to condemn Israel?

re: #22 Ghostbuster

Gee, maybe he will be taken hostage and held for 444 days, ya think.....

oh man, would that be poetic justice or what!?!? (sigh)

I feel bad for the Secret Service team who has to protect this SOB. I am glad Israel doesn't provide security for this SOB too.

re: #18 Ornery Ballsack

Oh I was so trying not to go there!

Hamas:
We will not give you back this Jimmy of Carter until you meet our many and reasonable demands! We want nuclear submarining boats and many large rabbits.

JWM

re: #35 MandyManners

I have a question. What if he is assassinated? How quickly will the MSM and their moonbat allies jump to condemn Israel?

They do it already.

Duh.

re: #1 Iron Fist

Send Carter to Iran NOW

Whenever I envision Carter what comes to mind is the scene at the democratic convention; him next to Moore. I wonder what percentage of Americans have knowledge of this buffoons recent actions?

Gore is going the end of May.

re: #39 JWM

Hamas:
We will not give you back this Jimmy of Carter until you meet our many and reasonable demands! We want nuclear submarining boats and many large rabbits.

JWM

Bush administration:
We'll get back to you.

re: #40 MandyManners

They do it already.

Duh.

Carter's safe. No terrorist wants to assassinate their own hero.

Is the Secret Service required to protect Carter under these circumstances?

Can they refuse? Can individual agents refuse to be assigned that detail?

Can we the Taxpayers, refuse to foot the bill for Carter's Secret Service detail?

ENOUGH
ALREADY,
R

From what I hear, the Shin Bet are people you REALLY want covering your back side. I wonder if this refusal will have any impact on whether or not he still goes. Probably not.

re: #43 Ben Hur

Gore is going the end of May.

May he receive a globally warm reception.

JWM

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Unfortunately, we the American taxpayers will still provide Secret Service protection for Carter's playdate as he romps in the sandbox on his Hamas buddies.

I regret both my money which goes to this purpose, and the fact that honorable Secret Service operatives are compelled to participate.

Then I demand a refund!

What does he expect when he cozies up to a thug who routinely refers to Jewish people as, "Sons of apes and pigs?"

The Israelis are just a wee bit more inclined to be honest and less inclined to be politically correct with idiots like Carter than are other nations in the world.

This man should be tried for treason.

re: #40 MandyManners

Won't happen. He's making Jew-hatred pay too well.

I think it's bad precedent, and if something were to happen to Carter, it seriously harms US relations with Israel. Israel puts itself in a real bad position over a policy spat with Carter. It should have provided the security, all the while denouncing Carter at every turn for going to visit with Meshaal.

Of course, Israel has no problem with having Olmert say that he wouldn't negotiate with terrorists - Hamas included, and yet we repeatedly get news stories reporting on back-channel negotiations between Israel and the terrorists over releasing Gilad Shalit and other similar issues (hudnas).

re: #15 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Trying viligently to clean up my language...but can not resistblockquote>

NOTE TO SELF...Spell check before post

vigilantly

Oh! Missed Sullivan's response to Kristol:

A non-Christian manipulator of Christianity is calling a Christian a liar about his own faith. That's where they've gone to already.

Heh. Sullivan just called Kristol a Jew manipulating gullible Christians for his own personal agenda (which happens to be much-concerned with Israel, of course).

I feel so liberated now that we're having this "open, candid" discussion on race and religion that Obama Christ began for us.

Why, just a few days ago I didn't know it was acceptable to respond to a political opponent by simply calling him a dirty, scheming kike.

The fun we're going to have! And, as Sullivan points out, It's only April!

I wonder why he didn't note that Lisa Schrieffrin was also a "non-Christian..." I guess maybe because he wasn't sure she was a Yid. It's one of those names that could go either way, you know.

You know-- one of those sneaky stealth Jew-names that almost sound like good Christian names.

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My call is that he's on Bush's payroll.

Someone said, "Could it hurt? Let's see what happens."

re: #54 lawhawk

What harm? What policy spat? He said himself he's not going in any official capacity, and State backs that up. He's alone.

Besides, if this is like anything else that Olmert's government has done in the past, it will reverse this course faster than Whiplash Ray Nagin could say Chocolate City.

re: #45 Golem Akbar

i agree. they ARE rational, on some level, and any harm done to carter would only undermine their position. so i'm not sure what purpose this serves, except to be the ultimate slap in the face.

re: #54 lawhawk

you are probably right. guess we'll see how this plays out...

re: #47 Render

Is the Secret Service required to protect Carter under these circumstances?

Can they refuse? Can individual agents refuse to be assigned that detail?

Can we the Taxpayers, refuse to foot the bill for Carter's Secret Service detail?

ENOUGH
ALREADY,
R

The Secret Service is required to protect the old SOB under ALL circumstances. Secret Service agents can refuse to protect him only by resigning. No, we cannot refuse to foot the bill for his Secret Service detail. Unfortunately.

According to Fox, Carter is saying -

Carter said he wanted to become a "communicator" between Hamas and the United States.

I really wish that someone would inform the old goat that he has been RETIRED by the American people and he has NO legal role to play as a representative of the US.

Maybe there are some Hell's Angels who missed Altamont who could do the job. And they're not from Pennsylvania, so they wouldn't be bitter.

re: #18 Ornery Ballsack

Former president Carter then requested transportation assistance and was given a bridal gown and a map.

You are such a...a...you! Ha!

I saw him on a clip on fox news this morning.. He was getting in a vehicle wearing a bullet proof vest. It was a brief glance but he was being question by the press.

re: #20 TalkinKamel

Good for Israel.

I wish the US would cut off his secret service protection.

Bravo for Israel!
And BTW, I see no reason why we the tax-payers should have to pay for SS protection abroad anyway. It's not as if ex-presidents have to travel anywhere they like.

United Nations Organization Destroyed Thousands of Books

PARIS — For more than two decades, 250 historians and specialists labored to produce the first six volumes of the General History of Latin America, an exhaustive work financed by UNESCO, the United Nations organization created to preserve global culture and heritage.

Then, over the course of two years, UNESCO paid to destroy many of those books and nearly 100,000 others by turning them to pulp, according to an external audit.

"This is the intellectual organization of the United nations system," Morocco's ambassador to UNESCO, Aziza Bennani, said in an interview. "How could an employee of UNESCO make a decision to destroy these books?"

Mexico's ambassador, Homero Aridjis, said at the organization's executive council meeting this past week: "This is not only a blow to the culture and knowledge of entire populations and nations, it contradicts the mandate entrusted to UNESCO." He demanded an internal investigation.

The director general of UNESCO, Koichiro Matsuura, said it was "completely incomprehensible and inappropriate" that some of the organization's "most important and successful collections" were ordered destroyed, including histories of humanity and Africa, and surveys of ancient monuments.

Who would want to re-write history?

“The most important single foreign policy goal in my life has been to bring peace to Israel, and peace and justice to Israel’s neighbors. I have done everything I could in office and since I left office to do that,” the paper quoted Carter as saying.

Sure, Jimmy. And I've done everything in my power to quit smoking cigarettes, abstain from alcohol, and cure cancer. I've had as much (arguably more) success than you have.

re: #48 Cpt. Disco

From what I hear, the Shin Bet are people you REALLY want covering your back side. I wonder if this refusal will have any impact on whether or not he still goes. Probably not.

He is already there!

Yeah....Israel refuses to deal with one group of terrorists but welcomes the like of Fatah Jew hater Abbas.

What a crock of sh*t!

Israel's government is corrupt and refuses to do what it is called to do: protect its people. The Israeli citizenry in Tel Aviv calmly chomps on Falafel, while their brothers and sisters living within the borders are attacked by savage murderers. While the appeasing government offers up Jerusalem and negotiates with Fatah-the average Israeli acts as if if doesn't effect them.

While Carter's stench is well known-please don't let the left wing secular government, and electorate of Israel of the hook so easily....

re: #34 Yishai

Great point. Perhaps that is the whole idea. If you were head of his security, would you let him go?

I think they should meet his sorry ass at the airport and waterboard him until he admits to being a terrorist. That aughta take about 15 seconds.

Ah, maybe that's a little strong. But I'm bitter and I live in Pencilvania.

re: #58 godfrey

The fact is that as a former President, he does lend power and prestige to those that he visits. Despite what State says, a former President does carry weight around the world. Besides, he may still be pushing an agenda not only for himself, but for Obama.

Let's just say that I don't trust State and I have seen far too many backchannel style diplomatic approaches to know one when I have seen them. Because you know that he will be reporting back to the likes of Obama and others on what he learned in his visit to Damascus.

He will say that "it is all our fault". Yes, Jimmah is from the blame America first crowd! Jean Kirkpatrick got their number years ago.re: #22 Ghostbuster

re: #61 galloping granny

A "communicator," right. Because Hamas doesn't have enough access to the media. They only have 23.5/7 access! It's an outrage!

re: #54 lawhawk

I disagree that this is a policy spat. This is active assistance to an effective and lethal enemy. He is an ex-President who should be mindful of what his meetings mean and what the ramifications are. If he needs a slap in the face to remind him that Israel will only take it up the ass for so long before she says "Enough", so be it.

I hope nothing happens to him, but his actions are those of a responsible adult. Don't play with matches if you can't handle the heat, Dhimmi.

re: #66 Ben Hur

United Nations Organization Destroyed Thousands of Books

Who would want to re-write history?

UN and Islam = Death. Of. Us. All.

What's tomorrow? Oh, it's gonna' suck to put my envelope into the mail box.

Israel's reasons for not giving protection will most likely go over his head. It will somehow be spun to look like Israel is simply 'dissing' this Nobel Peace Award Winner. Pbuh.

And someone from State or even the White House will probably call Olmert and tell them "yeah, yeah, he's an embarrassment to us too, and we've all got our kooks and weirdos but he's sort of a national treasure and really, could you please give him an armed escort. You don't have to celebrate him being there, but really, in the long run, look how bad would it be if he got hurt while in Israel, come on please, pretty please we'll pay for the extra detail please please please..."

If the powers that are really did not want him going, he would not be going.

There is the safety of the USSS agents to consider if he goes ahead with his plans to visit Israel without the assistance of the Shen Bet.I think it will speak volumes about what type of narcissist he really is.

re: #62 chinesearithmetic

Maybe there are some Hell's Angels who missed Altamont who could do the job. And they're not from Pennsylvania, so they wouldn't be bitter.

ROFLMAO!

Reading about this I've come to the realization that I don't really care what happens or doesn't happen to ExPotUS Jimmy Carter.

His influence is minimal, his effect negligible & his continued existence remains unremarkable (except to the MSM).

re: #72 lawhawk

The fact is that as a former President, he does lend power and prestige to those that he visits. Despite what State says, a former President does carry weight around the world. Besides, he may still be pushing an agenda not only for himself, but for Obama.

Let's just say that I don't trust State and I have seen far too many backchannel style diplomatic approaches to know one when I have seen them. Because you know that he will be reporting back to the likes of Obama and others on what he learned in his visit to Damascus.

Exactly! And don't forget to note that virtually all of Obama's foreign policy advisors were once Carter's.

re: #58 godfrey

To be clear, the policy spat is Carter's talking with Hamas. That doesn't mean that the US or the Israelis don't have backchannel methods of communicating with the terror group (after all, it did so with Fatah pre-Oslo). It just means that the Israelis and State don't like when their diplomatic efforts on a topic as touchy as talking with the terrorist groups becomes front page fodder before they have a chance to even talk.

Concerned for the safety of the Secret Service men only working their assignment. These Americans shouldn't be forced to risk their lives for a doddering, senile and useless old man.

Jimmy is really damaging an already lame legacy. I think he had some people thinking that he is the best x-president ever, but a lot of people are now seeing that he is as bad at being an x-president as he was at being president. Ya shoulda stopped while you were ahead (or not to far behind).

re: #68 galloping granny

My Monday just got worse. Thanks for the update.

Question for Charles:

Why is it that when I type a comment, the letters don't appear till several seconds later? It's been getting longer as of late?

re: #79 bulwrk

it WOULD - if someone would make that connection and point it out.

but that would require that the MSM disengage from their blanket re.writing of terrorist group objectives, for one.

combatants? militants? commandos?

pshaw. rambo was a commando - the american revolutionary army were militants and militiamen. our soldiers are combatants.

call these people what they are - terrorists.

re: #57 Ben Hur

My call is that he's on Bush's payroll.

Someone said, "Could it hurt? Let's see what happens."

Good Cop, Bad Cop?

There is a saying amongst Dead Heads.

Why did the Dead tour for over 30 years?

To make everyone forget about their shitty Woodstock performance.

That pretty much sums up Jimmy.

re: #79 bulwrk

There is the safety of the USSS agents to consider if he goes ahead with his plans to visit Israel without the assistance of the Shen Bet.I think it will speak volumes about what type of narcissist he really is.

The USSS will do what it always does - act in as professional and responsible manner as possible. If they fear for their principal's life, they may have him alter his itinerary, though they will probably still get Shin Bet intel in any event.

They won't let Jimmy drive the bulldozer, will they?

This is probably a nail in the coffin of his visit. Secret Service has to liason and coordinate with Shin Bet to pull off the trip.

It would be criminal to put a Secret Service Agent(s) in country without it.

re: #89 Ward Cleaver

Good Cop, Bad Cop?

Jimmy did the same thing with the Norks.

You know, even if Olmert says Israel will not provide security, I doubt he means it. Carter will have plenty of Hamasies and Shin Bet undercover security. He'll probably be one of the safest, most guarded people alive.

re: #87 mj

Question for Charles:

Why is it that when I type a comment, the letters don't appear till several seconds later? It's been getting longer as of late?

Maybe you type too fast?

/s

re: #90 Ben Hur

There is a saying amongst Dead Heads.

Why did the Dead tour for over 30 years?

To make everyone forget about their shitty Woodstock performance.

That pretty much sums up Jimmy.

Only problem is, the Dead could be good. Jimmy is never good, and just gets worse with age.

re: #61 galloping granny

I really wish that someone would inform the old goat that he has been RETIRED by the American people and he has NO legal role to play as a representative of the US.

Carter failed as a president and he (like Clinton) wants to re-write his history. Good luck!

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

re: #94 Ben Hur

Jimmy did the same thing with the Norks.

Heh. That sure went somewhere.

/They got nukes now, and I'm not talkin' Kenmore microwaves.

re: #41 winston06,

Strap him to the nose-cone of a Minute Man III, and express-mail him to Terhan :-)

Peres in Treblinka: Polish people not responsible for Holocaust

Uhh....What?

They were more anti-Semitic than the Germans.

First, as I always say, Jimmy should live to a nice old age and go peacefully in his sleep. Few men have done more to hurt Israel in the modern era than Carter. He is universally despised by Israel's leadership and rightly so. He not an honest broker, he is a clueless asshole inserting himself into one of the most intractable conflicts on the planet.

Carters record is spectacular:
*Afghanistan- Russians see Jimmy as weak and attack, leading to events that incubated 911.
*Zimbabwe- Jimmy gave a big thumbs up for Robert Mugabe who smiled and instituted one of the most loathsoem dictatorships on the planet
*North Korea- Carter interfered with Clinton administration diploamcy and made the deal that gave a lifeline to the DPRK ensuring millions would die from starvation and brutality and millions more be threatened by a nuclear rogue regime the world did not need.
*Iran Carter let the Ayatollahs get a taste for American blood. The 444 day crisis, an attack on US soil led by the regime, should have seen Iran nuked, instead Carter humiliated the nation and his office by pandering to the Khomeinist scum. The regime grew to become the world's foremost exporters of terrorism with tens of thousands of Iraqis, Lebanese, Americans and Jews murdered by Iran and its proxies. For bonus points, 15 911 hijackers came to the US via Iran AND many in the US intelligence community believe Iran to be the operational planners of 911.

re: #97 Honorary Yooper

Only problem is, the Dead could be good. Jimmy is never good, and just gets worse with age.

But of course.

re: #81 slokat

Reading about this I've come to the realization that I don't really care what happens or doesn't happen to ExPotUS Jimmy Carter.

His influence is minimal, his effect negligible & his continued existence remains unremarkable (except to the MSM).

.....same as he ever was!

re: #72 lawhawk

I believe all that, too.

But politically speaking, this is a situation of plausible deniability. He is not on the diplomatic schedule.

re: #72 lawhawk

The fact is that as a former President, he does lend power and prestige to those that he visits. Despite what State says, a former President does carry weight around the world. Besides, he may still be pushing an agenda not only for himself, but for Obama.

Let's just say that I don't trust State and I have seen far too many backchannel style diplomatic approaches to know one when I have seen them. Because you know that he will be reporting back to the likes of Obama and others on what he learned in his visit to Damascus.

Absolutely!
State has been meeting with Hamas through David Welch using Egypt as an intermediary.

re: #101 Iron Fist

Heh, Have Dinnerjacket play catch on his way down. :-)

Ain't there a house or two he could build?

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I would not let him go. I wouldn't tell him that outright, I would just cite last-minute intel for an imminent threat, then cancel the trip/meeting.

But those SS guys are dedicated folk who will put their bodies between Carter and the bullet. If he will be going to the meeting with no regards to the security issue, they will still do their darnedest to protect him.

re: #103 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

First, as I always say, Jimmy should live to a nice old age and go peacefully in his sleep. Few men have done more to hurt Israel in the modern era than Carter. He is universally despised by Israel's leadership and rightly so. He not an honest broker, he is a clueless asshole inserting himself into one of the most intractable conflicts on the planet.

Carters record is spectacular:
*Afghanistan- Russians see Jimmy as weak and attack, leading to events that incubated 911.
*Zimbabwe- Jimmy gave a big thumbs up for Robert Mugabe who smiled and instituted one of the most loathsoem dictatorships on the planet
*North Korea- Carter interfered with Clinton administration diploamcy and made the deal that gave a lifeline to the DPRK ensuring millions would die from starvation and brutality and millions more be threatened by a nuclear rogue regime the world did not need.
*Iran Carter let the Ayatollahs get a taste for American blood. The 444 day crisis, an attack on US soil led by the regime, should have seen Iran nuked, instead Carter humiliated the nation and his office by pandering to the Khomeinist scum. The regime grew to become the world's foremost exporters of terrorism with tens of thousands of Iraqis, Lebanese, Americans and Jews murdered by Iran and its proxies. For bonus points, 15 911 hijackers came to the US via Iran AND many in the US intelligence community believe Iran to be the operational planners of 911.

I give him credit for my leaving the Democratic Party. He's not all bad.

re: #10 taxfreekiller

Jimmy Carter, real world bad History, bad overlay of dumb, and its reported he is a Democrat.!

This seems appropriate, somehow ...

re: #71 ec marm

I think they should meet his sorry ass at the airport and waterboard him until he admits to being a terrorist. That aughta take about 15 seconds.

Ah, maybe that's a little strong. But I'm bitter and I live in Pencilvania.

How can you type so well clinging so tightly to your gun, bible and antipathy?

re: #102 Ben Hur

Uhh....What?

They were more anti-Semitic than the Germans.

I just started reading "The Pianist" - sounds like you're giving away the plot.

re: #78 Beej

I think you may be right. There may be some favors being asked for from Washington to have the Shin Bet provide some unofficial secret protection.

Good on Shin Bet - at least somebody in that olmert-misled government is using their heads! Feh on jimmah.

re: #91 lawhawk

Agreed but I imagine his detail will be relatively small and when in foreign countries they rely heavily on a layered defense.

re: #98 marge45b

Carter failed as a president and he (like Clinton) wants to re-write his history. Good luck!

Ya know, the thought of those two idiots wandering around the world poking their noses into everybody's business makes me sick. Bush 41, Ford and Nixon (Reagan too, but he was declining) have shown class as former presidents. These two fools have no class, shame or common sense.

re: #114 Sol Roth

How can you type so well clinging so tightly to your gun, bible and antipathy?

With his feet. They ain't got no shoes yet.

re: #34 Yishai

I feel sorry for the real Secret Service agents who will be forced to protect this batty crackpot in enemy territory with no local support or intel. My hope for them is that without Israel's support they will be able to cite real security concerns and prevent Emperor Palpatine from making the trip.

'Well done, my apprentice.'

Do you really think Iranian terrorists would have taken American hostage if Ronald Reagan were president?

Do you really think the Russians would have invaded Afghanistan if
Ronald Reagan were president?

Do you really think third-rate military dictators would laugh at
America and burn our flag in contempt if Ronald Reagan were
president?

/Me or Him. Radio K.A.O.S.

I wonder if the FBI will meet Jimbo when he returns with a "Hey -- Logan Act -- Come with us"?

re: #114 Sol Roth

How can you type so well clinging so tightly to your gun, bible and antipathy?

My son just IM'd me this:
[Link: www.dotpenn.com...]
Pencilvanians are nun two happy...

Now, if we can only get our own Dept. of Justice to uphold the Logan Act.

re: #39 JWM

Hamas:
We will not give you back this Jimmy of Carter until you meet our many and reasonable demands! We want nuclear submarining boats and many large rabbits.

JWM

And Preparation-H.

re: #28 Ben Hur

Wiat until the Palis take a shot at him and claim it was the Mossad trying to make the Palis look bad.

Nobody would believe that. They'd know it was really Bush who tried to kill him. /

re: #122 Ben Hur

Do you really think Iranian terrorists would have taken American hostage if Ronald Reagan were president?

Do you really think the Russians would have invaded Afghanistan if
Ronald Reagan were president?

Do you really think third-rate military dictators would laugh at
America and burn our flag in contempt if Ronald Reagan were
president?

/Me or Him. Radio K.A.O.S.

Ummm...Marine barracks in Beirut.

re: #128 MandyManners

Ummm...Marine barracks in Beirut.

Ummmmm....Mossad false flag operation.

This is bad. Much as I dislike Carter, what is likely to happen if someone takes a shot at him is that a Secret Service guy is going to get hit.
If there's an incident on Israeli soil, everybody here knows full well how it will be played out in our media.

re: #122 Ben Hur

Do you really think Iranian terrorists would have taken American hostage if Ronald Reagan were president?

Do you really think the Russians would have invaded Afghanistan if
Ronald Reagan were president?

Do you really think third-rate military dictators would laugh at
America and burn our flag in contempt if Ronald Reagan were
president?

/Me or Him. Radio K.A.O.S.

Now if we can just somehow get folks to start asking these questions and others like, but insert the name McCain for Reagan.

Show some balls for the first time in your pointless life, Jimmah! Go without your undeserved security detail. Ditch the Secret Service and hitch-hike for peace! (can't you feel the love?).

Logan is a dead letter.

Demonstrate links between Hamas and attacks on US military, and then nail him for treason.

re: #45 Golem Akbar

Carter's safe. No terrorist wants to assassinate their own hero.

He's not their hero, maybe their favourite useful idiot though. Their useful idiots are even more useful when they get martyred, and there's always another one ready to take their place.

re: #124 ec marm

Revival meeting and turkey shoot. This reminds me of the Lurch comment about dumb kids getting stuck in Iraq.

In a very unusual move

Why such an unusual move? When Israel needs to do the right thing they do. How do you think they surrived almost 60 years already? (with almost the whole world wishing otherwise to one extent or another)

Even in light of the BS with Olmert is unfair to portray Israel as weak. Even with weakness Israel will survive! Is there not enough shit spewed on a moment to moment basis about Israel already?

Again, when Israel needs to do the right thing they do!

BTW: Even Peres declined meeting Carter.

bottom line is carter cavorts w/ assholes who want to annihilate all the jews. i'm so glad israel is not following some pc formality bs and showing any respect to carter. it is obvious he agrees w/ the terrorists. let him rely on them.

re: #133 godfrey

Logan is a dead letter.

Demonstrate links between Hamas and attacks on US military, and then nail him for treason.

It's easier to connect FATAH and attacks on US military and civilians, yet no one does anything.

re: #128 MandyManners

Ummm...Marine barracks in Beirut.

yeah!

re: #124 ec marm

My son just IM'd me this:
[Link: www.dotpenn.com...]
Pencilvanians are nun two happy...

I'm sending that to everyone I can think of!

Let his old buddies Hamas provide the protection.

re: #134 latitude51

He's not their hero, maybe their favourite useful idiot though. Their useful idiots are even more useful when they get martyred, and there's always another one ready to take their place.

Correct.

They see Jimmy as Western weakness, not Justice.

re: #83 lawhawk,

This is really about Carter interfering with the Foreign Policy of a sitting President. You and I both know that people would have screamed to high heaven if Bush I had done something like this under Clinton. Say, interfered with Clinton Administration policy vis a vis al Qaeda.

And they'd have been right to. Only one person is President at a time, and he directs the Executive Branch. We didn't elect "President for Life" Carter.

You'd think he'd fucked up foreign policy enough for one life, anyway.

Why should Israel be obligated to protect someone who is not working on behalf of his government and is working against Israeli interests?

re: #103 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

First, as I always say, Jimmy should live to a nice old age and go peacefully in his sleep. Few men have done more to hurt Israel in the modern era than Carter. He is universally despised by Israel's leadership and rightly so. He not an honest broker, he is a clueless asshole inserting himself into one of the most intractable conflicts on the planet.

Carters record is spectacular:

Good list!
Let's not forget a BIG domestic CARTER disaster:
In retribution for the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Carter cancelled ALL the US grain contracts with the Soviet Union.

With that, Carter DESTROYED the American family farm. The Soviets just went off and bought elsewhere, the American farmers stuck with loans based on what had been pure rock solid grain guaranteed contracted sales, went bankrupt.

Gah!

re: #129 Ben Hur

Ummmmm....Mossad false flag operation.

Bad leadership. Sentries with no ammo in their rifle, and inadequate perimeter security.

I would also attribute it to using the Marines as a threat and not the promise they are.

re: #124 ec marm

My son just IM'd me this:
[Link: www.dotpenn.com...]
Pencilvanians are nun two happy...

Absolutely beautiful ! Thanks, sonny!

Gaza: Universities close due to fuel shortage

Young jihadis not able to spend all day memorizing because the older jihadis went on jihad.

Can't we all jihad along?

re: #129 Ben Hur

Ummmmm....Mossad false flag operation.

Wotchew smoking?

re: #140 MandyManners

I'm sending that to everyone I can think of!

Here's a quick image of O's poll numbers in Pencilvania to go along with that.

This is an outrage!

This is a former President of the United States for crying out loud, and he will not be met by Israeli Security forces?

I am disgusted.

I think he should be met by Israeli Security forces at the airport, placed in handcuffs, and taken to jail

(gotcha )

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA !

Choices bring consequences, and the rest of the world is under no obligation to protect any of us from our stupid/irresponsible/immoral/unethical/illegal decisions.

re: #102 Ben Hur

Stop that Ben.

[Link: biega.com...]

NO
COLLECTIVE,
R

So have any of the libs gone apeshit over the "snub" or security issue yet?

re: #130 DaChew

This is bad. Much as I dislike Carter, what is likely to happen if someone takes a shot at him is that a Secret Service guy is going to get hit.
If there's an incident on Israeli soil, everybody here knows full well how it will be played out in our media.

They already fucking hate Jews any way!

re: #119 coquimbojoe,

And they are Democrats, but I'm just repeating what you said :-)

re: #144 RememberSekhmet?

Why should Israel be obligated to protect someone who is not working on behalf of his government and is working against Israeli interests?

That describes Olmert and Livni.

re: #150 MandyManners

Wotchew smoking?

After all these years, YOU NEED TO ASK?

I feel so sorry for the Secret Service agents who have to protect that POS.

re: #153 Shug

This is an outrage!

This is a former President of the United States for crying out loud, and he will not be met by Israeli Security forces?

I am disgusted.

I think he should be met by Israeli Security forces at the airport, placed in handcuffs, and taken to jail

(gotcha )

Yes my quasi-porcine friend, I indeed had to recheck the avatar to make sure who was talking. Got me, Indeed.

re: #151 ec marm

Here's a quick image of O's poll numbers in Pencilvania to go along with that.

Hope that WAB has a hissy-fit.

re: #158 Iron Fist

,

And they are Democrats, but I'm just repeating what you said :-)

Can't be said enough.

re: #142 Ben Hur

Correct.

They see Jimmy as Western weakness, not Justice.

Last evening this was posted on the Carter thread. Sums it up quite well for me:

re: #432 newsjunkie_ky

islamic terrorists have been making a fool out of jimmah since the '70s. They continue today.

re: #109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ain't there a house or two he could build?

He should have stuck with building houses for poor people and counting votes in 3rd world elections. He's been more openly active in trying to influence foreign policy as former POTUS than all of the modern republican former POTUS' combined.

Imagine the outcry that would have ensued if Bush 41 had interfered in Bill Clinton's foreign policy initiatives....

re: #155 Render

Stop that Ben.

[Link: biega.com...]

NO
COLLECTIVE,
R

Next thing you're going to write to me is "Mmmmmmm....the problem of induction!"

What I wrote is a fact.

Still believe that in all likelihood, Carter is, in fact, working with the State Department. Here's part of a WaPo article from last month:

"During a trip to the Middle East this month, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice served as an informal go-between for Hamas and its sworn enemy, the government of Israel, helping to arrange a tentative truce, according to U.S., Israeli and Arab officials...."
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Prior to that meeting, David Welch was acting as the go-between for State with Hamas using Egyptian intermediaries.

Also, let's not forget this incident:

"Even the State Department acknowledged that the question is in the air when the department's official blog this month posed its question of the week: "Should the U.S. engage Hamas in the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians?" The question generated many long and emotional answers -- and State's spokesman was compelled to deny that the posting indicated that a change in policy was under consideration..."

Sorry folks. I don't trust the State Department.

re: #160 Ben Hur

After all these years, YOU NEED TO ASK?

Share? I'll give you some Twinkies.

re: #146 Peacekeeper

Gah!

What's actually disturbing to me (about that photo) is that someone would actually go to the time and expense of manufacturing a statue in the image of what is likely the worst President in history, and a most sorry excuse for a human being, and then placing the damned thing on public display!

re: #130 DaChew

This is bad. Much as I dislike Carter, what is likely to happen if someone takes a shot at him is that a Secret Service guy is going to get hit.
If there's an incident on Israeli soil, everybody here knows full well how it will be played out in our media.

People who hate Israel would jump on it anyways. People who support Israel would know what happened.

re: #169 MandyManners

Share? I'll give you some Twinkies.

Babba's bogarting!

re: #149 Ben Hur

Gaza: Universities close due to fuel shortage

Young jihadis not able to spend all day memorizing because the older jihadis went on jihad.

Can't we all jihad along?

I've said it before and I will say it again. If you want fuel, then you have a responsibility not to attack the delivery driver. I have some coming this afternoon and you can bet your sweet *** that if I stroll out there with my M16 and shoot up his truck I am going to have to find a new oil company.

Jimmah couldn't find a wedding dress on such short notice...

re: #170 maddogg
A lot of you simpletons are like that; clinging to your guns, your religion and your anti-Carter bias.
We in the elitist, liquor and drug clinging class understand this ...

re: #171 taxfreekiller

Is Jimmy Carter a Democrat?

You'd never know from the news reporting on Jimmy.

What eco-sin do you indulge in that would make Mother Nature angry?

/Captivate network Elevator screen.

Don't forget to pay Gore for your indulgences.

re: #176 taxfreekiller

Is Jimmy Carter more crazed than Al Gore

Oh God yes ,,,,,,,,and for decades longer !

re: #171 taxfreekiller

Is Jimmy Carter a Democrat?

Is the sky blue?

re: #171 taxfreekiller

Is Jimmy Carter a Democrat?

Depends? How do the news services describe his party affiliation?

re: #163 MandyManners

Hope that WAB has a hissy-fit.

I swear I just saw her in the local parking lot. Pulled into a spot, nearly ran me down. Jumped out of the car, I stood back, when I walked past her car toward the store, she looked back at me, hit her key thing and the horn blared at me. Like I was gonna steal her car. 'tude to the max.

re: #173 Ben Hur

Babba's bogarting!

She's just slow. Give her time to roll another one.

I think this is one of the few times I have to go against the current here, if Israel is going to let him in to the country they should provide security if they don't want to do that then they should not allow him in. There is potential for political disaster if something were to happen to him.

re: #119 coquimbojoe

Ya know, the thought of those two idiots wandering around the world poking their noses into everybody's business makes me sick. Bush 41, Ford and Nixon (Reagan too, but he was declining) have shown class as former presidents. These two fools have no class, shame or common sense.

Dang - I copied you, inadvertently.

But what do we expect from a group so utterly insensitive that they would use the occasion of Paul Wellstone's memorial service to make a political statement by proudly booing as Walter Mondale's opponent came into the auditorium as the service was about to begin? All the while sporting huge grins on their smarmy, classless faces?

re: #180 Ben Hur

What eco-sin do you indulge in that would make Mother Nature angry?

/Captivate network Elevator screen.

Don't forget to pay Gore for your indulgences.

you saw that somewhere?

*shakes head*

Ever notice that the left requires captive audiences, unable to escape, to spread their drivel?

(CNN in airports, public school, etc)

Little off-topic:
Does anyone find it strange that Obama took a trip to Pakistan in 1981 for 3 weeks and returned using the name Barack (instead of Barry)?

Also, I usually went to the beach in college - not Pakistan.

re: #184 ec marm

I swear I just saw her in the local parking lot. Pulled into a spot, nearly ran me down. Jumped out of the car, I stood back, when I walked past her car toward the store, she looked back at me, hit her key thing and the horn blared at me. Like I was gonna steal her car. 'tude to the max.

Key the car!

re: #185 MandyManners

She's just slow. Give her time to roll another one.

What kind of fool makes a weed video and shows everyone how bad his weed is?!?

Soooo many seeds!

And though they scatter now and go,
In some far century, sad and slow,
I have a vision, and I know
The heathen shall return.

"They shall not come with warships,
They shall not waste with brands,
But books be all their eating,
And ink be on their hands.

"Not with the humour of hunters
Or savage skill in war,
But ordering all things with dead words,
Strings shall they make of beasts and birds,
And wheels of wind and star.

"They shall come mild as monkish clerks,
With many a scroll and pen;
And backward shall ye turn and gaze,
Desiring one of Alfred's days,
When pagans still were men.

"By this sign you shall know them,
The breaking of the sword,
And man no more a free knight,
That loves or hates his lord.

"Yea, this shall be the sign of them,
The sign of the dying fire;
And Man made like a half-wit,
That knows not of his sire.

"What though they come with scroll and pen,
And grave as a shaven clerk,
By this sign you shall know them,
That they ruin and make dark;

-Gk Chesterton, excerpt from The Ballad of the White Horse

So, we've got another Palestinian propaganda alert because they're claiming that they have to shut down their universities because of fuel shortages.

Apparently the Palestinians do have enough fuel to enable their terrorists to scoot and shoot kassams at Israel.

re: #186 bulwrk

Lots of people enter Israel without the benefit of personal security.

And Carter is there with his own Secret Service guards.

I don't blame Israel at all. They said they didn't want him to visit, but he came anyway to meet with Israel's enemy.

Why is it up to Israel to protect someone they don't want there, meeting with their enemy?

. Despite fuel shortages, the metal shops never close.

re: #190 faraway

Little off-topic:
Does anyone find it strange that Obama took a trip to Pakistan in 1981 for 3 weeks and returned using the name Barack (instead of Barry)?

Also, I usually went to the beach in college - not Pakistan.

Details, links, data, QUICKLY! !

re: #176 taxfreekiller

Is Jimmy Carter more crazed than Al Gore

Two words : absolute Zero

re: #130 DaChew

This is bad. Much as I dislike Carter, what is likely to happen if someone takes a shot at him is that a Secret Service guy is going to get hit.
If there's an incident on Israeli soil, everybody here knows full well how it will be played out in our media.

No no no.
They have informed him BEFORE he goes. Carter has to make the decision whether he wants to show up or not, weighing the reduced security cover.
It'd be one thing if they withdrew it mid-trip, but he's got a fair and square head's up in advance, plus the plain message he ain't wanted. Why should they have to pay all that money and put all their people at risk for someone who is working against them? Feh! He thinks he needs more cover, and he absolutely, positively is so IMPORTANT he MUST go? HE can pay for it - on HIS dime.
The Party should have been over for him politically years ago,he's in it for HIMSELF as a big ego trip, not for anyone else.

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Obama travels to Pakistan for 3 weeks

re: #190 faraway

Little off-topic:
Does anyone find it strange that Obama took a trip to Pakistan in 1981 for 3 weeks and returned using the name Barack (instead of Barry)?

Also, I usually went to the beach in college - not Pakistan.

Now that is something I had not heard before. I knew he had changed his name, just not the circumstances. Got links for that?

re: #192 Ben Hur

What kind of fool makes a weed video and shows everyone how bad his weed is?!?

Soooo many seeds!

Looked like some bad shit I saw back in the 80s in East Tennessee. Not nearly as nice as the sensimilla I had in Seattle.

re: #176 taxfreekiller

Is Jimmy Carter more crazed than Al Gore

Who is crazier, Kaczynski or Manson, People's Temple or Heaven's Gate?

Same difference

re: #176 taxfreekiller

Is Jimmy Carter more crazed than Al Gore

A tough question....but I'd say YES. It's that horrible combination of pseudo-Christian sanctimony and anti-semitism that gives Jimmah the warped edge.

I think they should have helped his security, as long as the Shin Bet people got to sit in the meeting with the Hamassholes.

I hope somebody managed to plant a listening device on Dhimmi; the recordings would be valuable evidence.

I think they will just fly him to Dearborn Michigan and tell him it's Gaza.

He won't be able to tell the difference.

re: #199 wanumba

seems to me that, if anyone is, Hamas ought to provide his security, as he's going there to meet with them.

re: #179 taxfreekiller

Will Jimmy Carter help Obomba build a not Presidential lie-bury on the Ressco lot in Chicago?

Lot's too small for the ego.

Channeling Nelson Muntz pointing at Carter... "Ha ha!"

Was looking for evidence to support his party affiliation, but instead found what might be evidence of a Jimmah/Bill man crush?

Shutting universities because of a fuel shortage?

How much fuel does it take to read a book?

re: #165 unrealizedviewpoint
Wow, thanks. Don't think that has ever happen to me before.

Any country's security force should always offer its services when foreign heads of state and former heads of state come to visit. For Israel to be unwilling to cooperate with U.S. security interests in this case is troubling.

re: #204 wolfie

See, with Gore, I don't believe that HE believes it.

He doesn't believe in Global Warming or any of the crap he spouts.

If he did, he wouldn't live the wasteful life that he does.

He's just trying to turn a profit as he is one of the owners of a (the first?) Carbon Credit company.

His whole "Global Warming" crap is just marketing.

Carter, on the other hand, believes his crap.

re: #200 faraway

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Obama travels to Pakistan for 3 weeks

Thank you.

The only good that could come of this is Carter's endorsement of BHO.

#130 DaChew
(though do agree with your sympathy for the Secret Service detail)

I saw a CNN report on Egypt's food crisis during lunch (no audio).

Whcih brought this to my mind:

Do you think the MSM has a moral obligation to report that they are being accompanied by handlers, and are being told what they can and cannot film?

I've said for years that Access Trumps Truth, but it was ridicoulus.

It was peaceful, colorful market - everything's fine, everything's fine, yada yada.

Meanwhile, journalists are being detained as we speak in the city where the riots happened.

I'd love to ask some MSM big wigs about this.

I know I was proved write when Eason Jordan made his statements.

But it's sooo obvious with people like Brent Satler in Leb and SYria, and the fact that there's a CNN headquartered in Cuba.

re: #207 LanceKates

seems to me that, if anyone is, Hamas ought to provide his security, as he's going there to meet with them.

Ouch!

re: #190 faraway

Little off-topic:
Does anyone find it strange that Obama took a trip to Pakistan in 1981 for 3 weeks and returned using the name Barack (instead of Barry)?

Also, I usually went to the beach in college - not Pakistan.

That oughta qualify you to be Secretary of the Navy in an Obama administration.

Rush talking about Jimmie!

re: #200 faraway

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Obama travels to Pakistan for 3 weeks

The Islamabadian Candidate.

re: #202 MandyManners

At work.

Who is this?

Wrong number! WRong number!

Did you just hear Rush call him:
jimmy of arabia.
Says, 'jimmah is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome'.

re: #212 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Shutting universities because of a fuel shortage?

How much fuel does it take to read a book?

More likely giving them the day off to jump the fence, riot-pillage-burn, or attend a performance of Islamic Rage Boy or fakestinian street theater.

HE knows he is crazy!

Hi All,,
Good for Israel. I hope they just deny him entry all together

re: #200 faraway

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Obama travels to Pakistan for 3 weeks

I couldn't find it. Maybe I read too fast. Got nauseated.

Hey Jimmah, why don't you go to Antarctica and negotiate with penguins. I hear they're delicious.

re: #195 LanceKates

If you're a terrorist looking to land a death blow to Israeli U.S relations what better target would you have than an ex- Democratic President that the host country refused to supply protection for. The msm would have a field day why risk it?

Wait, I thought Carter was going to a meeting in Syria? How is Israel supposed to provide security there unless they send a heavily armed IDF brigade into Damascus?...

Actually, providing security for Jimmah is starting to sound better to me.

re: #212 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It takes a lot of gas to fuel the Flaming Hoops of Death.

No Israeli runways for Dhimmi. Maybe he can land on the Gaza Strip.

re: #214 justiceforall

Actually, maybe not always.

re: #200 faraway

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Obama travels to Pakistan for 3 weeks

From your link:
He was just a college kid, vagabonding around the world. But Barack Obama says the weeks he spent traveling through Pakistan in 1981 shaped the views that he still holds today—and that he would bring into the White House.

That sums up hussein and what scares the shiite outta me.

re: #227 beachkatie

HE knows he is crazy!

Crazy uncle!

I say don't let him back in the country. See how good not letting him back in the White House worked out?

re: #191 MandyManners

Key the car!

Na, I could never do that. But she was the poster child for bitter and mean and all the projection that Obama is tossing around. I'm sorry that they hate this country so much. But the change they want is the opposite of what it will take to improve everyones lot in life. They're too f'in stupid to know it.

re: #229 MandyManners

I couldn't find it. Maybe I read too fast. Got nauseated.

You sicken easily, it was within the 1st sentence. :)

re: #236 newsjunkie_ky

From your link:
He was just a college kid, vagabonding around the world. But Barack Obama says the weeks he spent traveling through Pakistan in 1981 shaped the views that he still holds today—and that he would bring into the White House.

That sums up hussein and what scares the shiite outta me.

I ate Chinese once. Can I be the American ambassador to China?

re: #231 bulwrk

If you're a terrorist looking to land a death blow to Israeli U.S relations what better target would you have than an ex- Democratic President that the host country refused to supply protection for. The msm would have a field day why risk it?

If you've said that you don't want them there, and they're coming to talk with your enemy, in what way are you responsible for what happens?

Such an act by a pallie force would only embolden the United States against Hamas. The world can't hate Israel any more than it does.

They've said they don't want him there and that they won't provide any additional security for him (Remember, he's not alone, he has his secret service agents with him). . . if he still goes, it is his own fault.

If I'm told not to go somewhere and that I won't be protected there... and I go anyway and get hurt, I don't blame the ones who told me not to go and warned me about being unprotected... I blame myself.

If he goes anyway and anything happens to him, I blame him and whatever pallie group goes after him....

I specifically do NOT blame Israel.

Dear Lord please tell me that justiceforall didn't just agree with me.

It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and potentially dangerous. Seriously, Carter must to be suffering from dementia.

re: #236 newsjunkie_ky

From your link:
He was just a college kid, vagabonding around the world. But Barack Obama says the weeks he spent traveling through Pakistan in 1981 shaped the views that he still holds today—and that he would bring into the White House.

That sums up hussein and what scares the shiite outta me.

The story's improving a little bit. His experience as explained earlier was his grade school years.

re: #238 Roggie

Some have noted that his meeting with Hamas could be a felony.

re: #237 MandyManners

Good thing he didn't have Cheney's 'Hands of Death'!

re: #243 bulwrk

Dear Lord please tell me that justiceforall didn't just agree with me.

Don't fear. otingoC agreed with me earlier on the hitch-hiking Moonbat thread.

re: #239 ec marm

Na, I could never do that. But she was the poster child for bitter and mean and all the projection that Obama is tossing around. I'm sorry that they hate this country so much. But the change they want is the opposite of what it will take to improve everyones lot in life. They're too f'in stupid to know it.

I'm not sorry. It implies that we're, in some way, responsible.

They hate this country, they ought to find a better one or reexamine themselves to find out what has put a giant pine tree up their butt.

re: #242 LanceKates

If I'm told not to go somewhere and that I won't be protected there... and I go anyway and get hurt, I don't blame the ones who told me not to go and warned me about being unprotected... I blame myself.

If he goes anyway and anything happens to him, I blame him and whatever pallie group goes after him....

I specifically do NOT blame Israel.

That is because you are a responsible adult rather than a democrat :)

re: #247 slokat

Spirit Fingers! (Former cheerleaders will understand.)

re: #242 LanceKates

He has put Israel in a very bad position they should just tell him he will not be allowed into the country.

re: #251 galloping granny

That is because you are a responsible adult rather than a democrat :)

Yup, and just bitter (and gun/religion clinging) enough to hold others to that same standard!

*grin*

re: #200 faraway

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Obama travels to Pakistan for 3 weeks

* * *

So he spent time in Pakistani jihadist training camps...while Osama lived in Pakistan fighting the Soviets...

John McCain did 5.5 YEARS travel--in a totalitarian 'camp' overseas!

McCain has pretty good insights as to how capitalist running dogs are seen in the third world...and the broken bones to prove McCain got both the Ph.D. in theory & practical knowledge.

re: #253 bulwrk

He has put Israel in a very bad position they should just tell him he will not be allowed into the country.

He's already there!

re: #174 galloping granny

I've said it before and I will say it again. If you want fuel, then you have a responsibility not to attack the delivery driver. I have some coming this afternoon and you can bet your sweet *** that if I stroll out there with my M16 and shoot up his truck I am going to have to find a new oil company.

And a good lawyer ;-)

re: #253 bulwrk

They've told him they don't want him there.

Tell me about how to spin as good PR "Israel won't let former President Jimmy Carter in for Peace Talks" ?

re: #245 unrealizedviewpoint

The story's improving a little bit. His experience as explained earlier was his grade school years.

But the story is changing here too. According to this his mama worked for the US Embassy in Indonesia during the time he lived there - a not half badly paid job. And yet his stepfather was "poor"? I think the boy is inventing again,. . . . .

Someone should take out a "NOT IN OUR NAME" ad in the NYT, denouncing any form of support for Mr Carter's actions.

Only I don't think the NYT would sell it for even twice its current ad rates.

re: #256 MandyManners

ouch

re: #200 faraway

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Obama travels to Pakistan for 3 weeks

* * *
Charles, is this thread worthy? I think so!

re: #214 justiceforall

Any country's security force should always offer its services when foreign heads of state and former heads of state come to visit. For Israel to be unwilling to cooperate with U.S. security interests in this case is troubling.

You, and the others on this thread who agree with you, I do not understand. Carter wrote a book claiming the only democracy in the Middle East is apartheid, when religious apartheid is rife in muslim countries worldwide. The man has hated Jews his whole life (just read up on the backstory to the Camp David Accords). Carter's meeting with Hamassholes is giving them credibility they by no means have earned nor deserve. It's not like Carter's there to get the Paleo's to stop firing missiles into Israel. No, he wants Israel to bend over backwards to terrorists (and Israel doesn't need any encouragement in that department).

And if anything happens to Jimmah while in Gaza, Israel has plausible deniability, not that that will stop the Jew haters from doing what they do naturally, Carter being a rather large case in point. Just his going to Gaza against the wishes of Israel is quite telling in a thumbing his nose sort of way.

re: #252 MandyManners

Is that like jazz hands?

re: #244 somecallmetim

It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and potentially dangerous. Seriously, Carter must to be suffering from dementia.

Not unless the onset of "dementia" began at least 30 years ago. He isn't losing his mind. He never had one.

re: #259 galloping granny

His dad was so poor so as to have worked for the government in a high position....

Yup. So poor.

If he thinks that being a part of the ruling class is 'poor' he'd go insane if he saw real poverty.

I wonder how he didn't see it in Africa.

re: #260 Intrepid

Someone should take out a "NOT IN OUR NAME" ad in the NYT, denouncing any form of support for Mr Carter's actions.

Only I don't think the NYT would sell it for even twice its current ad rates.

twice the current NYT ad rates?

I think I have 50 cents in my car.... let's find out.

re: #258 LanceKates

I thought the talks were to take place in Syria?

re: #260 Intrepid

Someone should take out a "NOT IN OUR NAME" ad in the NYT, denouncing any form of support for Mr Carter's actions.

Only I don't think the NYT would sell it for even twice its current ad rates.

Fox might run it :)

re: #236 newsjunkie_ky

From your link:
He was just a college kid, vagabonding around the world. But Barack Obama says the weeks he spent traveling through Pakistan in 1981 shaped the views that he still holds today—and that he would bring into the White House.

That sums up hussein and what scares the shiite outta me.

At home in the world?

He went to Pakistan.

THat's it.

I've had enough of people thinking a couple of weeks, a semester or two, gives you more knowledge than watching shit on TV.

It's a good thing, don't get me wrong, but being a visitor, you may learn about some cultural issues, but it's no where near the same as living as citizen, subject to the countries laws and cultural norms.

My LLL friend tries to pull the whole, but I've been there! BS all the time.