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Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:15:00 am PDT

If people behaved like governments, you’d call the cops.

Kelvin Throop

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1 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:15:36am

May none of us have a taxing day...

2 Da_Beerfreak  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:17:53am

re: #1 goddessoftheclassroom

May none of us have a taxing day...

Easy for you to say.
I just got my "TurboTax" and have to sit down and do the last minute thing.

3 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:20:35am

re: #2 Da_Beerfreak

Easy for you to say.
I just got my "TurboTax" and have to sit down and do the last minute thing.

It shouldn't be too bad--I LOVE Turbotax. Just make sure you have all your documents together and no interruptions for about an hour and a half. Good luck!

4 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:20:58am
5 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:21:08am

Meh, I have to do my taxes for this year and last year. :(

/always a procrastinator.

6 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:21:08am

re: #2 Da_Beerfreak

Easy for you to say.
I just got my "TurboTax" and have to sit down and do the last minute thing.

You actually buy the thing? You can use them online you know. And if you make less than $50K or so you can use it free.

7 redc1c4  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:21:50am

i have people for that.....

/stick to what yu know. %-)

L8r x2

8 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:22:38am

re: #4 savage_nation

Whats the scoop on the refunds we are all supposed to get? Has it been finalized?

$300 won't fill the oil tank. Or the gas tank on a big pick up. Who cares.

9 Da_Beerfreak  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:22:40am

re: #3 goddessoftheclassroom

It shouldn't be too bad--I LOVE Turbotax. Just make sure you have all your documents together and no interruptions for about an hour and a half. Good luck!

I hear ya!
Been using TT for about the last 8 years, shouldn't take more then a half hour.
// {;-)™

10 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:22:50am

re: #6 galloping granny

Do they have a Canadian version? :)

/or I'll just talk to someone I know that buys the latest version.
//hope he still has last years version.

11 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:23:07am

re: #1 goddessoftheclassroom

May none of us have a taxing day...

re: #2 Da_Beerfreak

Easy for you to say.
I just got my "TurboTax" and have to sit down and do the last minute thing.

I too have not finished my taxes yet.

I will be doing it all day tomorrow.

What a drag.... Hope to finish by 5pm.

My taxes are suprisingly complicated! (One of the unexpected side effects of having several secret identities.)

12 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:23:38am

re: #6 galloping granny

You actually buy the thing? You can use them online you know. And if you make less than $50K or so you can use it free.

Only the Basic version. More complicated filers (moi) are better off with the Deluxe, and it includes the state return as well. You're right about the 1040EZ filers--it's a boon.

13 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:24:34am

re: #9 Da_Beerfreak

I hear ya!
Been using TT for about the last 8 years, shouldn't take more then a half hour.

Seriously?

Takes me about 3 - 4 days to do my taxes.

14 opnion  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:25:37am

Good Morning Lizards. I forget who said that "It is a privilege to pay taxes
If it is a privilege, why can't I decline?"

15 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:26:03am

re: #13 zombie

Seriously?

Takes me about 3 - 4 days to do my taxes.

I'm giggling are the mental picture of James Bond doing his taxes...

16 BulgarWheat  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:26:10am

re: #1 goddessoftheclassroom

I don't know why everyone is stressing out about getting their taxes done. I solved that problem 20 years ago. I married my accountant.

heh!

/get into an orderly line before everyone starts beating me about the head

17 Da_Beerfreak  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:26:30am

re: #6 galloping granny

You actually buy the thing? You can use them online you know. And if you make less than $50K or so you can use it free.

Sure do.
Not sure if the on-line version will do the state property tax rebate forms I have to mail into the state (in Sept.).
// {;-)™

18 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:26:40am

re: #14 opnion

Probably some leftist, liberal, socialist politician. *sigh*

/don't really mind paying taxes some times but why must they waste my money most of the time?

19 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:26:53am

re: #10 BlueCanuck

Do they have a Canadian version? :)

/or I'll just talk to someone I know that buys the latest version.
//hope he still has last years version.

They might have a Canadian version - they have one for all of the states that have an income tax. That probably wouldn't be free, though. The free business is either mandated by US law or sponsored by the Feds, not sure which.

20 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:27:20am

re: #17 Da_Beerfreak

Sure do.
Not sure if the on-line version will do the state property tax rebate forms I have to mail into the state (in Sept.).
// {;-)™

It does as far as I do. Does for Vermont anyway.

21 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:27:25am

re: #16 BulgarWheat

I've always done my own taxes. It's a matter of stubbornness determination with me. You're solution is the best one, though!

22 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:27:40am

Actually filling out the IRS forms and state forms is the easy part. I can do that in maybe 3 hours.

No, the hard part is gathering all the documentation and squeezing the data out of it. Details details details details.....

23 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:28:44am

re: #22 zombie

Another giggle at the thought of receipts made out to "Zombie" and the look on the clerk's face who typed it out...

24 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:29:20am

re: #13 zombie

Seriously?

Takes me about 3 - 4 days to do my taxes.

Oh he is VERY serious. And stupendously simple. I've had to do my sister's taxes for the last 30 years - usually at 9:30 pm on the last possible day. Last year we turned her on to doing them by computer and you would think she's been doing them for years. Only takes her about a half an hour. Her computer skills extend to IM and email.

25 Da_Beerfreak  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:30:55am

re: #13 zombie

Seriously?

Takes me about 3 - 4 days to do my taxes.

No kids, no other deductions, just me and my house.
And I bought it from Sam's club.
// {;-)™

26 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:31:24am
27 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:32:14am

re: #23 goddessoftheclassroom

Another giggle at the thought of receipts made out to "Zombie" and the look on the clerk's face who typed it out...

That's one of the problems! They aren't made out to "zombie."

I really do wear a lot of different hats. And have a lot of "identities." And legal structures. But being the ridiculously honest person that I am, I pay taxes on everything I ought to. It's just that I have to sort everything out. Different companies, different kinds of income, overlapping realms....it drives me crazy every year.

28 opnion  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:32:36am

re: #18 BlueCanuck

Probably some leftist, liberal, socialist politician. *sigh*

/don't really mind paying taxes some times but why must they waste my money most of the time?

Oh , but the US government gives research grants with tax payer money.
Some years ago a group at the U of W , Madison got one and concluded that , you ready?'Children would be less likely to fall off of a tricycle if it had another wheel."
Genius!

29 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:33:39am

re: #26 savage_nation

Well, I want to get a MiniDVD recorder. Remember, I have a ton of vids to take of the upcoming granddaughter so yeah, it will be nice to have that extra cash....

Anyone know a good brand?

We got the kiddo one for Christmas. I don't see it here right this second. but I'm fairly sure it is a Canon.

30 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:33:41am

re: #27 zombie

Yet another reason I admire you.

31 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:34:44am

re: #27 zombie

That's one of the problems! They aren't made out to "zombie."

I really do wear a lot of different hats. And have a lot of "identities." And legal structures. But being the ridiculously honest person that I am, I pay taxes on everything I ought to. It's just that I have to sort everything out. Different companies, different kinds of income, overlapping realms....it drives me crazy every year.

Maybe you should start next year's taxes tomorrow. How about an accounting program?

32 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:35:00am

re: #24 galloping granny

Oh he is VERY serious. And stupendously simple. I've had to do my sister's taxes for the last 30 years - usually at 9:30 pm on the last possible day. Last year we turned her on to doing them by computer and you would think she's been doing them for years. Only takes her about a half an hour. Her computer skills extend to IM and email.

That's insane. It takes me over four hours just to disentangle the phone bills. Which is about 1% of the paperwork.

33 rightside  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:37:23am

Morning Lizards!

34 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:37:27am

Got to run off now. May all untangling go well,

35 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:37:40am

re: #32 zombie

That's insane. It takes me over four hours just to disentangle the phone bills. Which is about 1% of the paperwork.

I intend no snarkiness, but if you acquire a good accounting program you can do that bit by bit over the year. Better, some of them even interface with Turbo Tax so "untangling" is as easy as pushing the Import button.

36 opnion  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:38:06am

Just asking, did any more gems come out by Barry Obama overnight?
Oh wait,I dropped my Bible & guns on an Immigrant. Damn!

37 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:38:56am

re: #31 galloping granny

Maybe you should start next year's taxes tomorrow. How about an accounting program?

Like I said, filling out the forms is the last step, and takes just a short time. The stuff that takes forever is extracting data from documentation -- the kind of thing that a computer program can't do. Nor can I hire anyone, because then they'd know some of my other identities -- unacceptable!

No, only I can do it, and in all these years I've never been able to streamline it.

38 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:39:02am
39 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:39:09am

re: #32 zombie

That's insane. It takes me over four hours just to disentangle the phone bills. Which is about 1% of the paperwork.

BTW, my sis is a traveling health professional. She has to account for all kinds of travel, housing, per diems, extra deductions and so on, usually for 3 or 4 different states a year.

40 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:40:04am

re: #37 zombie

Like I said, filling out the forms is the last step, and takes just a short time. The stuff that takes forever is extracting data from documentation -- the kind of thing that a computer program can't do. Nor can I hire anyone, because then they'd know some of my other identities -- unacceptable!

No, only I can do it, and in all these years I've never been able to streamline it.

Zombie, a decent accounting program will do all that organization and extraction of data for you.

41 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:40:49am

Mom, do I have to go to work today?

42 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:41:00am

Zombie !
WTH are you doing up so early?

43 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:41:14am

re: #35 galloping granny
Being in Property management..everything is on P.C....tax time..just print.

44 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:42:01am

re: #28 opnion

Gah, studies, studies, studies. I fear that common sense has been lost. Like I tell all my friends about the rise in childhood asthma cases over the past 20-30 years. People are terrified of germs and bacteria. So all these cleaning products claiming to kill 99.9% of bugs is good. So children living in hyper clean enviroments rarely get the chance to develop the proper immunities to everything.

/we ate dirt and we liked it. :)

45 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:42:48am
46 markie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:43:11am

We only have 2 sources of income in my house, so we filed online again this year. Refund's been spent for 2 months. On the down side, I keep hearing online filing will not continue.

47 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:43:22am

re: #42 BabbaZee

I blame the WalMart discussion on the dead thread. :)

/zombie has never been in side of one at all.

48 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:43:57am

Welcome to 'Lawfare' - A New Type of Jihad


The Islamist movement has two wings –
one violent and one lawful, which can operate apart but often reinforce each other. While the violent arm attempts to silence speech by burning cars when cartoons of Mohammed are published in Denmark, the lawful arm is skillfully maneuvering within Western legal systems, both here and abroad.

Islamists with financial means have launched a "legal Jihad," filing frivolous and malicious lawsuits with the aim of abolishing public discourse critical of Islam and with the goal of establishing principles of Sharia law (strict Islamic law dating back to the 9th Century) as the governing political and legal authority in the West.

Islamist Lawfare is often predatory, filed without a serious expectation of winning, and undertaken as a means to intimidate, demoralize and bankrupt defendants. The lawsuits range in their claims from defamation to workplace harassment and they have resulted in books being pulped and meritorious articles going unpublished.

Forum shopping, whereby Plaintiffs bring actions in jurisdictions most likely to rule in their favor, has enabled a wave of "libel tourism." At the time of her death in 2006, noted Italian author Orianna Fallaci was being sued in France, Italy, Switzerland and other jurisdictions by groups dedicated to preventing the dissemination of her work.

Libel Tourism has also resulted in foreign judgments against American authors mandating the regulation of their speech and behavior. The litany of American anti-Islamist researchers, authors, activists, publishers, congressman, newspapers, television news stations, think tanks, NGOs, reporters, student journals and others targeted for censorship is long and merits brief mentioning here.

One of the earliest cases in the US dates back to 1937, where in Birmington, Alabama, an Arab Sheik sued the Birmington Post for libel over an article entitled "Arabian Sheik Asks Friend Here to Buy him an American Girl for Harem." The Post reported that Sheik Fareed Iman, "who is 29 years old and fears he may reach 30 before he obtains a chief-wife for his four-wife harem, is ready to purchase a suitable girl from her parents. The lucky girl", the article continued, "will benefit from the traditional Arabian protective treatment of women but she can't be seen by those who are not members of the household."

[SNIP]

49 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:44:16am

One of our fellow lizards has started a blog at [Link: justatypicalwhiteperson.blogspot.com...]

You'll find a very revealing article there about the women in Obama's life.

50 opnion  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:44:28am

re: #44 BlueCanuck

Gah, studies, studies, studies. I fear that common sense has been lost. Like I tell all my friends about the rise in childhood asthma cases over the past 20-30 years. People are terrified of germs and bacteria. So all these cleaning products claiming to kill 99.9% of bugs is good. So children living in hyper clean enviroments rarely get the chance to develop the proper immunities to everything.

/we ate dirt and we liked it. :)

That actually is a real problem.It sounds counter intuitive, but it"s not

51 michigan tom  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:44:40am

Happy Holidays!
Bow down to your master(Government) and repent(give them your money).

52 rightside  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:45:13am

re: #45 BabbaZee

WooHoo! I'm at home and can watch your youtube links now! lol

53 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:45:23am

re: #47 BlueCanuck

I blame the WalMart discussion on the dead thread. :)

/zombie has never been in side of one at all.

I haven't read anything yet, I missed it.
I have only been in Walmart twice myself!

/ducks

54 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:45:40am

re: #52 rightside

That one was for audio only LOL

55 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:45:53am

re: #38 savage_nation

I've been looking at Canon and also Nikon.

I also want to get a digital camera with a nice telephoto lens. I seem to see lots of animals out here that I cant get close enough to get off a good shot. There is a prairiedog town right across the street from where I delivered yesterday. Little buggers saw me getting too close and the popped down underground. grrr

One of my girls is a photographer. She has a Nikon for her big camera. And a baby Canon for the one that fits in the purse.

56 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:46:23am

re: #49 galloping granny

whose blog is it?

57 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:46:38am

re: #50 opnion

Yeah, I know. By wallowing in dirt it gives very young childrens immune systems to build the necessary antibodies to survive the rest of their lives. DIRT IS GOOD FOR YOU!

58 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:46:59am
59 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:47:38am

BBL

60 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:47:45am

re: #35 galloping granny

I intend no snarkiness, but if you acquire a good accounting program you can do that bit by bit over the year. Better, some of them even interface with Turbo Tax so "untangling" is as easy as pushing the Import button.

No no, maybe I didn't make myself clear.

Without revealing too much about myself, and alterating a few details to protect the guilty, imagine this scenario:

You have two incorporated companies you run; also an LLC; and also have regular personal income taxes, derived from all sorts of bizarre sources. You are able to deduct applicable phone bill charges, some of which are worth adding up due to their size.

Problem is, there are over a hundred long-distance calls on each bill, for 12 months, and you have to figure out: which are business-related, which are personal income-generating-related, and which are not associated with taxable income at all. You also can divvy up the monthly overall fees and deduct them as well. And you have two phone lines and a cell phone, with a different carrier. And so forth.

No way a computer program could be of any help in that situation. Only I know, from looking at it, "Oh, this three-hour call to Iceland was for this purpose, and needs to be deducted from this column..."

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

I got paperwork coming out of my ears.

61 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:48:22am

re: #49 galloping granny

Just did.

Pretty interesting.

62 markie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:48:43am

I still think we were all a lot healthier when we immunized ourselves as kids, picking up food under the 5 second rule et cetera.

63 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:49:09am

re: #42 BabbaZee

Zombie !
WTH are you doing up so early?

Early? You mean late! I haven't gone to sleep yet.

64 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:50:48am
65 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:53:41am

However, I can't concentrate on these taxes any more!

I will go to "zombie sleep" now and begin afresh in the morning!

66 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:53:49am

re: #64 savage_nation

Well there's dirt, then there's filth. :p

67 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:54:49am

re: #44 BlueCanuck

Gah, studies, studies, studies. I fear that common sense has been lost. Like I tell all my friends about the rise in childhood asthma cases over the past 20-30 years. People are terrified of germs and bacteria. So all these cleaning products claiming to kill 99.9% of bugs is good. So children living in hyper clean enviroments rarely get the chance to develop the proper immunities to everything.

/we ate dirt and we liked it. :)

Asthma is the least of it. We have long known the THE single unifying factor we can pin down about MS is that the people who eventually suffer from MS were virtually all raised in a much-too-clean environment.

Something else: MOST of the bacteria that live on you, in you or around you are NOT harmful. We call them "beneficials." The beneficial bacteria that live on/in you are the ones that keep the harmful bacteria from overwhelming you.

68 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:54:52am

Two car bombs alreasy in Iraq...gona be a long day.

69 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:56:46am

re: #67 galloping granny

Yeah, like I said for some reason we traded in common sense for hysteria about germs.

70 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:56:48am
BAGHDAD (AP) - Iraqi police say at least 14 people have been killed in a car bombing in the former insurgent stronghold of Ramadi.
Police Lt. Col. Jubair al-Dulaimi says the attack occurred outside a kebab restaurant around lunchtime west of the city center.

Ramadi is the capital of Anbar province. The area has seen a sharp decline in violence in recent months as tribal leaders have joined forces with the Americans against al-Qaida in Iraq.

......................

BAGHDAD (AP) - Iraqi police say a car bomb that exploded in Baqouba killed at least 30 people and wounded dozens of others.
A police officer says the explosives-laden car was parked near a restaurant across the street from the courthouse and provincial government offices in the city center. It exploded just before noon, when the area is crowded with people visiting government offices and eating lunch at the restaurant.

The officer is in the Diyala provincial police command but spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to release the information.

He says the toll of 30 people killed could rise and that more than 40 people also were wounded in Tuesday's blast

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

71 opnion  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:57:53am

Now that the tax Jihad is coming to a close for this year , remember that people like Obama think that we are under taxed.
Warren Buffet is scandalized that his secretary pays so much in tax based on what he pays her.
Yo Warren, pay her more & she can find a loophole.
His solution though is for all of us to pay more.

72 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:58:18am

re: #60 zombie

No no, maybe I didn't make myself clear.

Without revealing too much about myself, and alterating a few details to protect the guilty, imagine this scenario:

You have two incorporated companies you run; also an LLC; and also have regular personal income taxes, derived from all sorts of bizarre sources. You are able to deduct applicable phone bill charges, some of which are worth adding up due to their size.

Problem is, there are over a hundred long-distance calls on each bill, for 12 months, and you have to figure out: which are business-related, which are personal income-generating-related, and which are not associated with taxable income at all. You also can divvy up the monthly overall fees and deduct them as well. And you have two phone lines and a cell phone, with a different carrier. And so forth.

No way a computer program could be of any help in that situation. Only I know, from looking at it, "Oh, this three-hour call to Iceland was for this purpose, and needs to be deducted from this column..."

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

I got paperwork coming out of my ears.

I do understand that zombie. You need a good accounting system. You might start to solve things by getting Vonage and a bunch of spare lines, since an extra Vonage number adds only $5.95 or so a month to your bill. Use a different line for each purpose and the accounting problem is solved. Nobody accounts for stuff by the one phone call. The ROI timewise is in the negative numbers.

Consider seeing a real accountant to help you set up a decent system. Properly set up, with a few minutes a day of installing various receipts & expenses where they go, you too can accomplish your taxes with the push of a button.

73 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:59:31am

re: #68 storagemanager

Some one make the bad men stop please?

74 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:59:42am

re: #56 BabbaZee

whose blog is it?

I am sworn not to tell.

75 Bubblehead II  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:00:07am

Morning Lizards.

'Hamas planning another border breach'

The killing of Egyptian soldiers with live ammunition has been sanctioned by Muslim clerics in a special fatwa issued by Hamas on Friday, the report said.

And Jimmy the dhimmi will blame it on Israel because they will not meet with him.

76 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:00:16am
77 opnion  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:01:16am

The most feared agency of the Federal Government by the common person is the IRS.
It is often used as an instrument of intimidation & has often ruined honorable people.
I know that we have to fund the government, but the IRS is too often misused.

78 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:01:33am

Good Morning, all. 38 degrees in the predawn gloom as I can feel the vampire bat known as the Federal Government sucking the life out of me. That said, we'll be getting a healthy refund, which only means I've been giving the gov't an interest-free loan all year.

When the government views the wealth of the citizens as a capital asset of the state, liberty is lost.

79 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:02:14am

re: #63 zombie

Early? You mean late! I haven't gone to sleep yet.

Poor Zombie!

80 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:02:39am

re: #74 galloping granny

I am sworn not to tell.

Oh well.

81 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:03:21am

re: #77 opnion

One of my former students now works as an attorney for the IRS. I saw her shortly after she took the job -- her comment was "yep, now I'm 'The Man.'"

This spoken by a little Indian girl who is barely five feet tall and can't way more than 90 pounds soaking wet.

82 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:03:25am

re: #73 BlueCanuck

Some one make the bad men stop please?

I don't think that is possible now.

83 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:03:55am

re: #79 BabbaZee

Poor Zombie!

"curse Sir Walter Ralegh he was such a stupid git"

One of the best lines ever.

84 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:04:26am

re: #77 opnion

The most feared agency of the Federal Government by the common person is the IRS.
It is often used as an instrument of intimidation & has often ruined honorable people.
I know that we have to fund the government, but the IRS is too often misused.

And yet, we are lucky. I had a Canadian friend a few years back who got into a dispute with their IRS over the way he had calculated things. (Self employed.) They slapped him with a huge bill and made him sell the house he had owned for 30 years to pay the bill before they would hear an appeal. Ruined his business, took his home, he ended up living in a single room. And then he won the appeal. He got his money back, but of course not his house and not his business either. No extra for that.

85 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:06:08am

re: #83 Lucius Septimius

"curse Sir Walter Ralegh he was such a stupid git"

One of the best lines ever.

LOL! I love that line too!

86 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:09:20am

Europe or Eurabia?
by Daniel Pipes

The future of Europe is in play. Will it turn into "Eurabia," a part of the Muslim world? Will it remain the distinct cultural unit it has been over the last millennium? Or might there be some creative synthesis of the two civilizations?

The answer has vast importance. Europe may constitute a mere 7 percent of the world's landmass but for five hundred years, 1450-1950, for good and ill, it was the global engine of change. How it develops in the future will affect all humanity, and especially daughter countries such as Australia which still retain close and important ties to the old continent.

I foresee potentially one of three paths for Europe: Muslims dominating, Muslims rejected, or harmonious integration.

(1) Muslim domination strikes some analysts as inevitable. Oriana Fallaci found that "Europe becomes more and more a province of Islam, a colony of Islam." Mark Steyn argues that much of the Western world "will not survive the twenty-first century, and much of it will effectively disappear within our lifetimes, including many if not most European countries." Such authors point to three factors leading to Europe's Islamization: faith, demography, and a sense of heritage.

The secularism that predominates in Europe, especially among its elites, leads to alienation about the Judeo-Christian tradition, empty church pews, and a fascination with Islam. In complete contrast, Muslims display a religious fervor that translates into jihadi sensibility, a supremacism toward non-Muslims, and an expectation that Europe is waiting for conversion to Islam.


[HASAN CHOP!]

87 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:09:35am
Wild horses won't drag him away.
Jimmy Carter stands alone... He's going to meet Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal and he doesn't really care what anyone thinks.

Condi Rice told him not to do it-- Not to meet Hamas.
Even fellow self-appointed Elder Kofi Annan decided to not to join Jimmy Carter in his meeting with Hamas.
The Elders released this announcement:


April 8th, 2008

The Elders have been exploring ways that they can contribute to peace and to the world’s understanding of the complex issues involved in the Middle East conflict.

They had planned a visit to the region in April to meet and listen to representatives from government, civil society, business and the public in Israel, the Palestinian territories, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Saudi Arabia. The Elders will continue consultations with key leaders in the region and outside with the purpose of developing a comprehensive report, but have decided to postpone their visit

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

88 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:09:40am

re: #84 galloping granny

IRS in Canada is the Canadian Revenue Agency. Yeah that story sounds rough, and I have heard of similar stories from the U.S.A. I think the problem is that the tax codes have become so convoluted that the governments can do what ever they want it seems. When you need an accountant, a TAX lawyer, etc. things have become a problem.

89 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:10:18am

re: #85 BabbaZee

LOL! I love that line too!

And how are you doing today, your Spleenlessness?

90 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:11:10am
91 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:11:13am

Islam and the Evolution of Europe's Far Right

What is to account for the success of Europe's Far Right? The attention the news media have devoted to the story of Islam in Europe has never been greater. And displeasure over concessions granted to Europe's Muslims, fear and loathing of Shari‘a (Islamic) law — and fears that Europe, in the rush to embrace the Other, may lose herself — appear to be driving the continent's electoral agenda.

These concerns have sprung from items as ridiculous as Fortis Bank's decision to do away with pig mascot Knorbert (for fear of offending Muslims) to the Archbishop of Canterbury's declaration that adoption of elements of Shari‘a law in the UK "seems unavoidable" — and would, in fact, be a great help to maintain social cohesion. In any case, it appears that a growing number are sufficiently discouraged by the imposition of the multicultural gag to take Europe's latest war of religion to the voting booth.

It is also the case, for many, that the persons who best speak to the continent's concerns are not those moderate (or secular) Muslims who talk of assimilation, but the leading lights of Europe's Far Right — and the growing host of Muslim-baiters who sit in public office.

[Muslimbaition? SNIP!]

92 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:11:48am

re: #86 BabbaZee

Read "Caliphate" it takes the first hypothesis and runs with it. Scared the hell out of me and I know most of what's going on already.

/note to self. get book report done.

93 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:13:44am

re: #89 Lucius Septimius

How I am
is irrelevant to the task at hand....

(this is what I say whenever I feel like crap, lol)

94 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:14:11am

Why can't the dang coffee make itself?

95 Bubblehead II  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:14:20am

Hizbullah: We'll take fight to Israel's backyard

"I don't mean that we will initiate the war," stressed the Hizbullah official, "but any war that they launch in the future will turn into what regular armies call 'an offensive war.'

That would be interesting. Any "offensive" war the Arabs ever tried against Israel ended with their asses getting tromped.

96 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:14:34am

re: #92 BlueCanuck

Read "Caliphate" it takes the first hypothesis and runs with it. Scared the hell out of me and I know most of what's going on already.

/note to self. get book report done.

I don't need to read it
I have been running with the hypothesis for the last 7 years....

wah

That can be my Indian name

Runs with Hypothesis!

97 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:15:05am

re: #94 storagemanager

Isn't that what your wife is for?

/ducks again

98 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:15:43am

re: #90 ploome hineni

They have increased the Saudi student visas EVERY YEAR since 9/11.

EVERY YEAR

99 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:18:50am

re: #90 ploome hineni

SO WHY DON;T WE ENCOURAGE MORE FUCKING SAUDIS TO COME TO USA?

Only if we can convince them to stop doing the effing part.

100 Bubblehead II  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:19:07am

Well time to check out. Work calls. But on the bright side it's Friday.

Have a good day Lizards.

L8R

101 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:19:13am

re: #94 storagemanager

Why can't the dang coffee make itself?

In Obama's America it will!

102 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:19:25am
103 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:19:50am

re: #93 BabbaZee

How I am
is irrelevant to the task at hand....

(this is what I say whenever I feel like crap, lol)

It's always relevant, even if not to the task at hand. Feel better.

104 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:19:53am

re: #97 BabbaZee

Isn't that what your wife is for?

/ducks again


She sleeps..not sleepless like me ..lol

105 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:20:14am

re: #100 Bubblehead II

Well time to check out. Work calls. But on the bright side it's Friday.

Have a good day Lizards.

L8R


It's Friday?

WTF happened to Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday?

106 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:20:30am

re: #104 storagemanager

She sleeps..not sleepless like me ..lol

Oh, lol....... I am the sleepless one here too

107 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:20:48am

re: #103 Lucius Septimius

{Lucius}
thanks daddy

108 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:21:00am

re: #95 Bubblehead II

Hizbullah: We'll take fight to Israel's backyard

"I don't mean that we will initiate the war," stressed the Hizbullah official, "but any war that they launch in the future will turn into what regular armies call 'an offensive war.'

That would be interesting. Any "offensive" war the Arabs ever tried against Israel ended with their asses getting tromped.

Something dawned on me in the middle of the night a few nights back. The Bible gives us a number of definite signs to look for - war & rumors of wars, famine and rumors of famine, earthquakes & other natural disasters (notice that cluster off the Oregon coast).

When the disciples ask Jesus what shall be the signs of the end, he first tells them to beware they are not deceived, and then he tells them to ignore anyone who comes after him claiming to be him, be from him or have a further message - because when he returns every eye shall see him. It is only very recently that every eye in the world could see something all at one time, thanks to the miracles of satellites and modern TV.

109 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:21:49am
110 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:22:12am

re: #108 galloping granny

you got it

111 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:23:37am
112 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:24:31am
113 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:25:04am
There is something unsettling and very familiar in the Obama poster campaign which has plastered his image over the country. The posters depict the same graphic closeup of the candidate with one block word either "Hope," "Change" or "Progress" at the bottom. I knew that I had seen this before, and then it came to me that this image appropriates the graphic style of totalitarian Soviet propaganda. It recalls the idealzed portraits and personality cult of the "Beloved Leader" such as Stalin and Lenin. The leader, face illuminated by a "holy" light, looks off to the horizon and sees the truth that is not available to his mere mortal followers, who must look up to his image.

The one-word message offers a simple (simple-minded) promise of a utopian existence. These stenciled words bring to mind They Live, a 1988 film, in which secret alien gods take over Los Angeles and control the inhabitants by subliminal billboard messages which display the word "Obey." Coincidentally or not, the website for the artist, Shepard Fairey, who designed Obama's posters is called Obey and boasts on its homepage, "Manufacturing quality dissent since 1989," and the artist bills himself as an agent of "worldwide propaganda delivery."

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

114 opnion  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:25:21am

re: #78 Lucius Septimius

Good Morning, all. 38 degrees in the predawn gloom as I can feel the vampire bat known as the Federal Government sucking the life out of me. That said, we'll be getting a healthy refund, which only means I've been giving the gov't an interest-free loan all year.

When the government views the wealth of the citizens as a capital asset of the state, liberty is lost.

Hear, hear!

115 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:25:44am

...And in the Peoples Republic of Northern Virginia, a batty educationist takes another step toward turning kids into listless amoebas: At McLean School, Playing Tag Turns Into Hot Potato.

116 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:26:09am

Speaking of cleanliness leading to disease -- one last comment before sleepytime. But you will find it fascinating!

The latest theory, backed up with a lot of research, is that the rise in heart attacks and strokes and high-cholesterol problems in the post-WWII era is mostly due to -- showering with soap! ! ! !

Someone showed an inescapable correlation between the amount that a society showers/bathes with soap, and the rate of high cholesteral and arterial blockage.

Pre-WWII, showering was much more infrequent in the US, and bathing didn't always entail soap. And cholesteral levels were much lower -- EVEN THOUGH the diet was higher in cholesterol (gobs of butter on everything, chicken fat, organ meats, etc.)

Other cultures were studied too: traditional Eskimos, for example, live half the year in winter on walrus blubber and whale blubber -- whopping mountains of pure cholesterol in their diet. And yet their blood cholesteral is remarkably low. How could that possibly be? One clue: in the winter, they basically never bathe. (Too cold.) And definitely don't use soap.

i could give a lot more examples.

Where is this all leading? Well, the cholesterol in your bloodstream is actually put there by your liver. It doesn't go straight from your mouth to you bloodstream. And one of the main purposes for cholesterol in your blod is to keep your organs supple and not brittle. Including and especially the skin.

That natural oiliness on your skin? That's called sebum. It's what protects you from infection and keep your skin supple. Sebum comes from cholesterol..

So,here's the key, the breakthrough realization:

Every time you wash your entire body with soap, you are chemically stripping all the sebum off your skin (which is your largest organ). You liver gets the signal that the skin is defenseless, and sends out a whole bunch more cholesterol to re-supply your skin with sebum. But the process take many hours. Meanwhile, you've already showered again, and so the liver sends out more cholesterol again. Etc. Essentially, if you bathe or shower with soap frequently, your liver is always in overdrive, and your bloodstream is always overloaded with cholesterol that is destined to replenish your skin. Which leads to permanently raised cholesterol levels, and eventually arterial plaque, hearts attacks and strokes!

Note that this doesn't happen if you don't use soap, since water alone can't remove sebum very well. Soap is an assaultive chemical that strips away key defensive mechanisms. The Romans bathed very frequently, but they didn't have soap back then, hence almost no reported heart attacks in Roman literature.

Something to ponder!

117 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:26:26am

Christian Iraqis Can't Leave Jordan

Christian refugees who lost everything when they fled their homeland in Iraq now face a new hurdle on their way to a new life.

They are being told by the United States government that their refugee applications has been denied because they have provided “material support” to terrorists.

The cold, bureaucratic words have been baffling to many. But officials at the International Organization for Migration (IOM) in Amman cleared up any doubts as to the meaning.

[SNIP!]

BUT JIMMAH IS ABOVE THE LAW, RIGHT?
And Saudi Student Visas number in the tens of thousands.
And I voted for this MFer.

118 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:26:45am
The Huffington Post ran a photo montage that absolutely stuns me. It shows a white man pointing a shotgun at Barack Obama. Here is a screen capture:

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

119 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:28:05am
120 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:30:27am

re: #116 zombie

Get to bed your zombieness. Thanks for that neat information.

121 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:30:47am

re: #119 savage_nation

Remember Johnny Horton ?

One of my most treasured possessions is a photograph of the Bismarck steaming in circles taken by my Dad.

122 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:31:05am

Aaaaaaaaand how are we all doing tonight?

123 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:31:52am
124 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:32:00am

re: #116 zombie

Wait. Does that mean zits are healthy for you!?

125 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:33:45am

re: #119 savage_nation

Totally forgot about him !

126 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:34:14am

re: #121 galloping granny

I had an uncle that served in the Royal Navy and on the Hood. He and three others were transfered off just before her final voyage.

/asked him about it when I say a picture in his basement.

127 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:34:43am

re: #114 opnion

Hear, hear!

That's actually a line from a book on, of all things, the fall of the Roman Empire. It appears as an explanation of how Roman tax policy resulted in:

1) The transfer of the Western Empire to the Germans, and
2) The origins of feudalism

In the latter case, the trick was when people began paying their taxes directly to the individuals who were to be supported by those revenues. Ultimately the author (the unfortunately named Walter Goffart) argues that we can see the "Fall of Rome" as the consequence of a gigantic entitlement program, or as he puts it: "an imaginative experiment that got a little out of hand."

128 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:35:27am

re: #123 savage_nation

Wow! I bet he had stories to tell.

He is still alive, living in Florida. Many, many stories to tell because Dad was an American in the US Navy. Most of his stories about WWII that I grew up with occurred long before Pearl Harbor. Every chance that I get I try to get his stories on tape, because most of the things that he did and saw are still classified, not in the history books.

129 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:36:14am

Jimmah gets souvenir rocket tail


Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - Just days before he is supposed to meet with Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal in Damascus, Syria, former U.S. President Jimmy Carter criticized Palestinian rocket attacks on civilians in southern Israel.

"I think it's a despicable crime for any deliberate effort to be made to kill innocent civilians, and my hope is there will be a cease-fire soon," Carter said during a visit Monday to the rocket-ravaged town of Sderot. (One Kassam rocket slammed into an open area near Sderot on Monday, the army said.)

Although some senior Israeli officials have snubbed Carter -- refusing to meet with him -- a Foreign Ministry representative in Sderot, Jonathan Peled, said it was important for Carter to visit Sderot.

"The fact that Carter came to Sderot is basically important - for him to see the terrible situation in Sderot and the conditions [under which the residents are living]," Peled told Cybercast News Service.

Carter was shown a house that was hit by a Kassam rocket, the remains of rockets and he also visited an overlook that shows just how close the Gaza Strip is to Israel, said Peled.

Carter also received a "souvenir" - the tail of a Kassam rocket, with an inscription from Sderot Mayor Eli Moyal.

"To President Carter: A momento of the thousands of Kassam rockets that were shot at Sderot and the region and caused the death of many innocent civilians. With hope for peace and tranquility in the near future," read the inscription, written in Hebrew.

[SNIP]

130 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:36:22am

re: #126 BlueCanuck

I had an uncle that served in the Royal Navy and on the Hood. He and three others were transfered off just before her final voyage.

/asked him about it when I say a picture in his basement.

Cool. My Dad was the last man off the USS Wasp before it was sunk at Guadalcanal.

131 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:36:26am

re: #128 galloping granny

I could imagine all those awesome secret prototype aircraft that would only see flight time in today's video games...

132 opnion  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:37:01am

re: #113 storagemanager

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

And therein lies the creepiness of the Obama phenomenon, Usually his supporters mindlessly regurgitate, 'Hope"Or "Change " as the issues.
They can cite no Obama accomplishment.His only legislative victory,that I know of was in the Illinois Senate.There he bottled legislation up in committee that would have banned Full Term Abortion.
His movement reminds me of the scene in the "Mummy", where the mob walks mindlessly chanting the name of the Mummy, "Imotey?"

133 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:37:49am

Will the Hittite's rise again?...

Ankara citizens are hoping to see the sun again. Citizens of the capital are hoping for the restoration of their city's former emblem, the Hittite Sun, an icon of Anatolian civilization and the symbol of the Hittite people.

The city's sun logo was replaced with an Islamic icon, featuring the image of the Kocatepe Mosque and a relatively new structure, the Atakule shopping center, in 1995 by the Ankara Municipality

nothing new under the sun..lol [Link: www.turkishdailynews.com.tr...]

134 rightside  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:37:51am

re: #130 galloping granny

I watched the new Wasp as she was being built in Mississippi.

135 pittrader1988  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:38:08am

Can I just keep filing extensions? Then let them have it all when I die.

136 opnion  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:39:07am

So long Lizards. Have a great day

137 Widow'smight  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:40:16am

re: #116 zombie

Lets see .....

Live to a long potent age without getting much lovin, or die doing what I like best smelling good.

I'll have to take door number 2

138 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:40:54am

re: #131 laZardo

I could imagine all those awesome secret prototype aircraft that would only see flight time in today's video games...

I have never heard much about prototype aircraft. He does tell a story about a bunch of old planes his squadron was in charge of in the UK during the Battle of Britain. They weren't worth much of anything in a dogfight, so every night they would repaint the planes with a different insignia, then move them somewhere else in Britain to make the Germans think that the Brits had many more aircraft than they really did. They also had a bunch of plywood psuedo-planes that were really just like those cardboard standup "people."

139 F451  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:42:35am

Oh, my gosh! Kelvin Throop! I haven't seen a Throopism in years. I think another one was:

'Isn't it amazing that the same people who laugh at science fiction as unrealistic listen to politicians' speeches?'

140 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:42:50am

re: #134 rightside

I watched the new Wasp as she was being built in Mississippi.

Dad would have loved to see that. Up until a few years ago he was pretty darned spry for an old guy - still riding his Gold Wing less than a decade ago. One of the things he loved to do was go around and see all the old aircraft. He won't be doing much of that anymore - just started using a walker.

141 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:43:00am

Turkey's Turning Point
Could there be an Islamic Revolution in Turkey?


Few U.S. policymakers have heard of Fethullah Gülen, perhaps Turkey's most prominent theologian and political thinker. Self-exiled for more than a decade, Gülen lives a reclusive life outside Philadelphia, Pa. Within months, however, he may be as much a household a name in the United States as is Ayatollah Khomeini, a man who was as obscure to most Americans up until his triumphant return to Iran almost 30 years ago.

Many academics and journalist embrace Gülen and applaud his stated vision welding Islam with tolerance and a pro-European outlook. Supporters describe him as progressive. In 2003, the University of Texas honored him as a "peaceful hero," alongside Martin Luther King Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, and the Dalai Lama. Last October, the British House of Lords and several British diplomats celebrated Gülen at a high-profile London conference. Later this year, Georgetown University scholar John Esposito will host a conference dedicated to the movement. As in 2001, Esposito will cosponsor with the Rumi Forum, an organization Gülen serves as honorary president.

The Gülen movement controls charities, real estate, companies, and more than a thousand schools internationally. According to some estimates, the Gülen Movement controls several billion dollars. The movement claims its own universities, unions, lobbies, student groups, radio and television stations, and the Zaman newspaper. Turkish officials concede that Gülen's followers in Turkey number more than a million; Gülen's backers claim that number is just the tip of the iceberg. Today, Gülen members dominate the Turkish police and divisions within the interior ministry. Under the stewardship of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdo%u011Fan, one of Gülen's most prominent sympathizers, tens of thousands of other Gülen supporters have entered the Turkish bureaucracy.

While Gülen supporters jealously guard his image in the West, he remains a controversial figure in Turkey. According to Cumhuriyet, a left-of-center establishment daily — Turkey's New York Times — in 1973, the Izmir State Security Court convicted Gülen of "attempting to destroy the state system and to establish a state system based on religion;" he received a pardon, though, and so never served time in prison. In 1986, the Turkish military — the constitutional guardians of the state's secularism — purged a Gülen cell from the military academy; the Turkish military has subsequently acted against a number of other alleged Gülen cells who they say infiltrated military ranks.

[SNIP]

142 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:43:24am
143 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:43:26am

re: #138 galloping granny

Reminds me of the so-called all-encompassing Syrian AA Defense system from that Israeli stealth raid last September, only in that case it was used for good. (:

144 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:43:30am
– Unidentified gunmen killed a female lawyer and her sister while stepping out of their home in eastern Mosul, where another armed group killed a man and three women of the same family, on Tuesday, a security official said.

[Link: www.aswataliraq.info...]

146 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:45:34am

Good Morning LaZee

147 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:46:12am

Good morning, all...

George Will nails this one: Barack Obama's Bitter Liberalism

The iconic public intellectual of liberal condescension was Columbia University historian Richard Hofstadter, who died in 1970 but whose spirit still permeated that school when Obama matriculated there in 1981. Hofstadter pioneered the rhetorical tactic that Obama has revived with his diagnosis of working-class Democrats as victims -- the indispensable category in liberal theory. The tactic is to dismiss rather than refute those with whom you disagree.

Obama's dismissal is: Americans, especially working-class conservatives, are unable, because of their false consciousness, to deconstruct their social context and embrace the liberal program. Today that program is to elect Obama, thereby making his wife at long last proud of America.

Hofstadter dismissed conservatives as victims of character flaws and psychological disorders -- a "paranoid style" of politics rooted in "status anxiety," etc. Conservatism rose on a tide of votes cast by people irritated by the liberalism of condescension.

148 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:47:26am

Hiya CTP

149 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:47:40am

re: #141 BabbaZee

The one thing the Islamists will have to topple in order to bring about the Islamization of Turkey would be the mythos of Ataturk.

150 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:47:53am

re: #145 BabbaZee

Watch your mail. If not today then tomorrow for sure.

151 Big_Iron  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:48:28am

BHO, just another typical liberal preaching to the choir.

152 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:49:44am

I wonder how our ron paul sock puppet feels this morning.

153 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:49:50am

re: #146 BabbaZee

Good Evening BaZee

154 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:49:52am

re: #150 galloping granny

Watch your mail. If not today then tomorrow for sure.

{GRANNY}

You rule.
I love you with all my heart
and half my pancreas
Thank you so much

155 rightside  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:50:21am

re: #140 galloping granny

Great to hear, if only this medium were around back then. I actually walked around underneath the ship, as she was being "integreated" on land, before being transfered into the drydock, to be put in. Standing underneath that behemoth gave me a little bit of an uneasy feeling though.

IIRC, at the time, it was the largest manmade object moved across land. Or something to that effect. Quite a modern marvel though, watching that entire process.

156 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:50:34am
Regretably, Akram Mahdavi is among an increasing number of young women in the Islamic Republic of Iran, who, due to a combination of severe lack of legal rights, recourses, and misogynistic social realities, reach unspeakable levels of desperation and despair. These women, the majority of whom were born into poor, religious, and/or conservative families, are deprived of educational, social, and countless other opportunities by their own parents and family members. They are treated as mere bargaining instruments: As soon as they reach their 13th birthday the legal age of marriage for girls under the Islamic Republic's legal system their families begin their search for the highest bidder. The personal desires and individual concerns of these young children are of little significance; for they are, after all, considered "half" of a human even under the law. And eventually, after years of continuous abuse, unremitting degradation, and mounting pain, they reach an unspeakable level of despair and hopelessness that most, if none, of us can truly fathom.

[Link: www.iranian.ws...]

157 rightside  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:51:56am

re: #152 MandyManners


I caught some of the mayhem reading the previous thread. Heh.

158 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:52:48am

re: #149 laZardo

The one thing the Islamists will have to topple in order to bring about the Islamization of Turkey would be the mythos of Ataturk.

You really think the majority value Ataturk(ism) more than they hate us, more than they dream of reinstating their All Powerful Caliphate?

Islam is a doctrine of Triumphalism.
The Ummah will back the Glory of The Caliphate.
Even the so called secular Muslims

159 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:53:04am

re: #152 MandyManners

I wonder how our ron paul sock puppet feels this morning.

we had mayhem and socks?

160 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:53:13am

re: #156 storagemanager

I am told that many women suicide bombers actually joined the cause as an excuse to escape their lack of earthly rights. I'm not sure if I could blame them then.

161 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:53:30am
Iranian Nobel peace laureate and leading rights activist Shirin Ebadi said on Monday she had received death threats pinned to the door of her office building, warning her to "watch your tongue". "On April 3, at the entry to the building of my office there was note written 'Shirin Ebadi, your death is near'," she said in a statement. Ebadi, a lawyer who over the past decade has represented clients in some of Iran's most sensitive human rights cases, had already complained about receiving death threats in 2006. "The threat against my family and I has recently intensified. "Those who wish me dead do not have any personal animosity. They are those who are against my ideas, so finding the person or people who have sent me the threatening letters is not a difficult task," she said.

[Link: www.iranian.ws...]

162 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:53:48am

re: #160 laZardo

PIMF, quotations on "the cause"...

163 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:54:15am
164 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:54:42am

Howdy, BZ. Was up early doing my taxes -- usually am still in bed at this time!

165 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:54:55am

re: #155 rightside

Great to hear, if only this medium were around back then. I actually walked around underneath the ship, as she was being "integreated" on land, before being transfered into the drydock, to be put in. Standing underneath that behemoth gave me a little bit of an uneasy feeling though.

IIRC, at the time, it was the largest manmade object moved across land. Or something to that effect. Quite a modern marvel though, watching that entire process.

I bet. Must have been some sight to see. The one I love though is the original USS Constitution. She's something. We took the kiddo and her friends down to Boston last year to see her. I was telling Dad about it and he surprised me by telling me that when he first went into the Navy he was assigned to her sister ship USS Constellation (it was in Rhode Island then) while waiting for the school he was being sent to.

166 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:55:21am

re: #164 christheprofessor

The one benefit of having no income
is no taxes
lol

167 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:55:42am
Islam is a doctrine of Triumphalism.
The Ummah will back the Glory of The Caliphate.
Even the so called secular Muslims

Because the words of Mohammad tell them too...they can not refuse and be good Muslims..the west doesn't understand that fact.

168 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:56:22am

re: #167 storagemanager

Because the words of Mohammad tell them too...they can not refuse and be good Muslims..the west doesn't understand that fact.

We also don't understand this fact

169 undhimmicratic  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:56:27am

re: #145 BabbaZee

Babba, there's aren't a whole lot of Israelis on that list.

170 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:56:44am

I can't believe you guys waited until the last minute to do your taxes today!

I did mine yesterday.

171 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:56:45am

re: #158 BabbaZee

Wonder if the women would agree to that though...

172 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:57:11am
173 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:57:11am

re: #157 rightside

I caught some of the mayhem reading the previous thread. Heh.

Did it get worse after I went to bed?

174 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:57:22am

re: #166 BabbaZee

Heh. On the other hand, one can be rich like the Clintons and pay next to nothing...

175 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:58:16am

re: #165 galloping granny

I believe the USS Constellation is in Baltimore's Inner Harbor now. I toured her in the summer of '87...

176 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:58:26am

re: #159 BabbaZee

we had mayhem and socks?

A sock had a bit too much to drink and I gently teased him. Well, "gentle" is a relative term.

177 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:58:27am

re: #169 undhimmicratic

Babba, there's aren't a whole lot of Israelis on that list.

LOL.......but of course not!
Israel is not considered part of Civilization by the UN, silly infidel!
Their token Juden is "Clinton's Rabbi"

178 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:58:55am

re: #171 laZardo

Wonder if the women would agree to that though...

I say....... arm the women.

179 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:59:01am

re: #170 JamesTKirk

Well, you only beat me by a few hours!

180 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:59:49am

re: #175 christheprofessor

I believe the USS Constellation is in Baltimore's Inner Harbor now. I toured her in the summer of '87...

Yes, it is. I looked it up when Dad told me about serving on her. But before WWII she was down in Rhode Island.

181 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:59:50am

re: #176 MandyManners

A sock had a bit too much to drink and I gently teased him. Well, "gentle" is a relative term.

A malevolent sock?

182 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:59:56am

re: #178 BabbaZee

That would be Islamophobic.

/searches for the guns, lol

183 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:00:30am

Mandy I found this site for you........ [Link: www.wluml.org...]

184 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:03:51am

re: #181 BabbaZee

A malevolent sock?

Nah. Just kinda' stinky. It seethed a bit after I and a couple others mocked it. It ignored the Iron Fist Rule.

185 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:03:53am
186 ec marm  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:04:39am

re: #147 christheprofessor
From your link:

Conservatism rose on a tide of votes cast by people irritated by the liberalism of condescension.


For the people in small town Pencilvania condescension means talking down to, right?

187 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:05:11am
188 rightside  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:05:35am

re: #165 galloping granny


I never did get to see her though. The sailors who get chosen for that duty actually get an extra clothing allowance for the purchase of, and maintenance of those uniforms!

While I was precommissioning my ship down there for a second time, we got watch as the USS Cole was brought in for repair there. It was a humbling experience, speaking with some of their crew, and hearing them recount what happened. One sailor in particular, was sitting down eating lunch with his friend when the explosion occurred. He was knocked for a bit of a loop, and found himself in the dark. The emergency lighting from battle lanterns was on, so he looked across the table for his shipmate, and....let's just say he was no more.

189 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:06:17am

re: #184 MandyManners

Nah. Just kinda' stinky. It seethed a bit after I and a couple others mocked it. It ignored the Iron Fist Rule.


Which thread was this on?

190 rightside  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:06:32am

re: #173 MandyManners


TBH, I don't know...I didn't read any further after he was owned!

191 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:06:47am

re: #185 BabbaZee

I liked the Kill Hill Bill version better. (;

192 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:08:01am

re: #183 storagemanager

Mandy I found this site for you........ [Link: www.wluml.org...]

*smoochies*

I'm gonna' work on technical stuff today. One thing I need to learn is how to bookmark stuff in my IE homepage.

193 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:08:39am
Murtha’s Office Calls Cops On Iraq Vet’s Mom

[Link: www.democracy-project.com...]

194 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:08:40am

re: #189 Lucius Septimius

Which thread was this on?

Wild Goose Chase.

195 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:08:49am

re: #191 laZardo

ucccch.

/and starbucks double latte ucccchhh to that little twat Tarantino

196 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:09:33am

re: #190 rightside

TBH, I don't know...I didn't read any further after he was owned!

That was kinda' mean of me. (I still giggle about the "wee kernels" line.)

197 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:09:41am

re: #186 ec marm

For the people in small town Pencilvania condescension means talking down to, right?

Yup. Nice pic.

The real money quote from Will's piece, though, is:

First, the consent of the governed, when their behavior is governed by their false consciousnesses, is unimportant. Second, the public requires the supervision of a progressive elite which, somehow emancipated from false consciousness, can engineer true consciousness. Third, because consciousness is a reflection of social conditions, true consciousness is engineered by progressive social reforms. Fourth, because people in the grip of false consciousness cannot be expected to demand or even consent to such reforms, those reforms usually must be imposed, for example, by judicial fiats.

198 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:11:02am

re: #186 ec marm

Make me one that says

I be stealin' yo' honky hegemony, crackers


Please

199 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:11:15am

re: #193 storagemanager

[Link: www.democracy-project.com...]

John Fucking Murtha, one of the few, the shameful, the EX-Marines.

200 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:11:18am

They tell us the plan...we call them liars...funny....

..A sermon last Friday by a prominent Muslim cleric and Hamas member of the Palestinian parliament openly declared that "the capital of the Catholics, or the Crusader capital," would soon be conquered by Islam.

The fiery sermon, delivered by Yunis al-Astal and aired on Hamas' Al-Aqsa TV, predicted that Rome would become "an advanced post for the Islamic conquests, which will spread though Europe in its entirety, and then will turn to the two Americas, even Eastern Europe."

"Allah has chosen you for Himself and for His religion," al-Astal preached, "so that you will serve as the engine pulling this nation to the phase of succession, security and consolidation of power, and even to conquests through da'wa and military conquests of the capitals of the entire world.

"Very soon, Allah willing, Rome will be conquered, just like Constantinople was, as was prophesized by our prophet Muhammad," he added.

[Link: www.newenglishreview.org...]

201 Tman71  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:12:48am

re: #60 zombie

No no, maybe I didn't make myself clear.

Without revealing too much about myself, and alterating a few details to protect the guilty, imagine this scenario:

You have two incorporated companies you run; also an LLC; and also have regular personal income taxes, derived from all sorts of bizarre sources. You are able to deduct applicable phone bill charges, some of which are worth adding up due to their size.

Problem is, there are over a hundred long-distance calls on each bill, for 12 months, and you have to figure out: which are business-related, which are personal income-generating-related, and which are not associated with taxable income at all. You also can divvy up the monthly overall fees and deduct them as well. And you have two phone lines and a cell phone, with a different carrier. And so forth.

No way a computer program could be of any help in that situation. Only I know, from looking at it, "Oh, this three-hour call to Iceland was for this purpose, and needs to be deducted from this column..."

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

I got paperwork coming out of my ears.

If you are running 2 incorporated companies
I don't see how you can be
One of the poorest Lizards like you said
My apologies in advance if I misunderstood
You being one of the poorest earlier

202 3 wood  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:13:39am

Good Morning Lizards.

Just a post and go this morning, busy day.

Obama's name came up yesterday at the Rezco trial:

Obama's name in Rezko trial

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama was again drawn into Tony Rezko's corruption trial on Monday, when the prosecution's star witness placed Obama at a party for an Iraqi-born billionaire who was later barred entry to the United States.

Stuart Levine testified under cross-examination that Obama and his wife, Michelle, attended the April 3, 2004, reception for Nadhmi Auchi.

Auchi -- who lives in London -- had been convicted of fraud in France in 2003. After visiting Chicago and Detroit in 2004, he wasn't allowed back into this country in 2005, according to a prosecution filing in the Rezko case.

The April 3, 2004, gathering for Auchi took place at Rezko's mansion in Wilmette, with about 100 people attending, Levine testified.

"Mr. and Mrs. Obama were there, were they not?" Rezko's lawyer, Joseph Duffy, asked.


Posh, exlusive party in Wilmette. Living the high life with non-typical white people.

Too bad Mrs. Obama has had nothing to be proud about while sitting under the teachings of a pastor who says "G** D*** America!"

Oh well. Now I need to go cling to my guns and religion.

Jammie, if you are out there, you have mail.

203 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:14:00am

re: #201 Tman71

I think am the poorest Lizard.
Realwest runs a tight second.
LOL!

204 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:14:12am

re: #188 rightside

I never did get to see her though. The sailors who get chosen for that duty actually get an extra clothing allowance for the purchase of, and maintenance of those uniforms!

I'm awfully glad I don't have to wear those uniforms, let me tell you. And I have to say that the female sailor looked pretty silly in those 1803 britches. They are definitely not as unisex as today's uniforms are.


While I was precommissioning my ship down there for a second time, we got watch as the USS Cole was brought in for repair there. It was a humbling experience, speaking with some of their crew, and hearing them recount what happened. One sailor in particular, was sitting down eating lunch with his friend when the explosion occurred. He was knocked for a bit of a loop, and found himself in the dark. The emergency lighting from battle lanterns was on, so he looked across the table for his shipmate, and....let's just say he was no more.

Very sad. Happens all too often in war though. Every WWII vet I knew growing up had a very similar story about his personal miraculous escape.

205 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:15:33am

Religion of reproductive machine's

.......Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal made a speech in favor of the “Palestinian reproductive machine” at his daughter Fatima’s wedding over the weekend. The “machine” is constantly active, Mashaal said. He told his daughter and son-in-law that their children would one day live in the “48 territories,” that is, within Israel’s 1948 borders.
Mashaal took time from his speech to thank Syria for allowing him, Islamic Jihad head Ramadan Shallah, and other senior terrorists to live in Damascus. “We realize the pressures on Syria for housing Mashaal and Shallah,” he said. Shallah attended the wedding, as did PFLP head Mahir at-Tahir, Iranian ambassador Ahmed al-Musawi, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem, and other Arab and Muslim diplomats.

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

206 Sunlight  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:16:10am

The nightmare of the Jewish community in the U.S.:
Seattle trial
Will the jury slam this or say (as a leftie close to me has said about the Brown firebombing in Providence), "African Americans have dealt with this forever. Now the rest of us are seeing what it is like."

"The rest of us? This isn't the rest of us. It is the mainstream Jewish community..."

207 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:17:54am

re: #206 Sunlight

as a leftie close to me has said


No lefties can bear my presence any more.

208 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:18:56am

Watch out for JPOST..an ad for spyware just took me away from it..

209 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:19:03am

re: #199 MandyManners

John Fucking Murtha, one of the few, the shameful, the EX-Marines.

Did you put that link up above? Or send it to Charles. That is absolutely infuriating. Murtha is a SERVANT. It is his duty to meet with the people who ask to see him. We PAY the SOB to do that!

210 ec marm  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:19:52am

re: #198 BabbaZee

Okay, gimme a minute... Done

211 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:20:15am
Israel is preparing for the possibility that Hamas will again try to breach the border between Gaza and Egypt, or even try to break through the border with Israel, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told Ynet Tuesday.

"I'm not concerned, but I remain alert, always alert," Olmert added. (Hanan Greenberg)


[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

212 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:21:09am
213 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:21:46am

re: #206 Sunlight

The nightmare of the Jewish community in the U.S.:
Seattle trial
Will the jury slam this or say (as a leftie close to me has said about the Brown firebombing in Providence), "African Americans have dealt with this forever. Now the rest of us are seeing what it is like."

"The rest of us? This isn't the rest of us. It is the mainstream Jewish community..."

This trial is a sham. The freaking "judge" threw out huge chunks of the evidence, including the shooter's own statements.

214 3 wood  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:22:51am

One more thing:

Cops gun down cougar on N. Side

City dwellers, consider this a confirmation: It is a jungle out there.

And residents of the North Side's Roscoe Village neighborhood found out firsthand Monday when a cougar -- or mountain lion, as authorities alternately referred to it -- pawed around their neighborhood and authorities shot and killed it.

Residents living on Hamilton and neighboring Hoyne, just north of Roscoe, heard a series of gunshots coming from the alley about 6 p.m. When it was over, the animal, weighing about 150 pounds, was dead on a cement parking pad behind one of the homes on Hamilton.

The big question is how did this cat get into the north side of Chicago. I've seen some strange life forms on the "L" in Chicago, but this is ridiculous.

215 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:23:25am

Is my dog spoiled?...naw there is just toys and rawhide as far as the eye can see...lol

216 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:24:14am

IDF blows one up real good

Israel has killed the head of a Gaza terrorist group involved in rocket attacks and a terrorist infiltration last year.

In a joint IDF and Shabak (General Security Service) activity in the Jabaliya area of Gaza, “the IDF targeted and identified hitting Ibrahim Alba, the head of the Democratic Front [For the Liberation of Palestine] in northern Gaza,” according to the IDF Spokesman.

An Air Force-fired missile hit the 42-year-old terror commander as he was getting out of his vehicle near Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza region. Arab sources said three others were wounded. The strike took place shortly after three Kassam rockets were fired toward Jewish towns.

The strike took place amidst relativelyheavy shelling of Israeli communities from Gaza; 12 shells have hit Israel since the morning hours, causing no damage.

Alba was involved in numerous infiltration attempts from the areas of the former Jewish communities in northern Gaza - destroyed during the 2005 Disengagement - towards the remaining Jewish towns across the border with Israel.

“Alba was involved in the infiltration of two terrorists armed with explosive devices and dressed in uniforms to Netiv Haasarah on August 25th, 2007,” the IDF says. “Three IDF soldiers were lightly wounded during exchanges of fire with the terrorists. The two terrorists were killed."

“Alba has since then continued attempting to execute terror attacks against Israel,” the IDF added, noting that Alba has also been involved with the launching of rockets into Israel, indicating the group’s cooperation with the Hamas-run groups coordinating the rocket offensive.

The Shabak became aware that Alba was planning another terror attack in the coming days.

[KABOOM]

217 ec marm  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:24:39am

re: #212 BabbaZee
You're welcome.

218 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:24:41am

re: #209 galloping granny

Did you put that link up above? Or send it to Charles. That is absolutely infuriating. Murtha is a SERVANT. It is his duty to meet with the people who ask to see him. We PAY the SOB to do that!

Storagemanager posted it. I just added color commentary.

219 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:24:42am

re: #214 3 wood

Roscoe Village? Cougars? WTF?

220 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:24:59am

Good morning Lizards...................

221 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:25:40am

re: #220 doriangrey

And a bonny good morning backatcha!

222 Sacred Plants  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:26:00am

So whom do you call when governments behave like people?

223 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:26:10am

re: #214 3 wood

Dope dealers love to keep wild cats as pets


/my dad gunned down a tiger in the South Bronx in 1974

I kid you not.

224 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:27:18am

re: #222 Sacred Plants

So whom do you call when governments behave like people?

Time to call Col. Colt and his friend Mr. Remington... :O

225 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:27:42am

re: #222 Sacred Plants

So whom do you call when governments behave like people?


If it ever happens
I'll know who to call.
lol

226 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:28:33am
227 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:28:43am

re: #223 BabbaZee

Dope dealers love to keep wild cats as pets


/my dad gunned down a tiger in the South Bronx in 1974

I kid you not.

I once talked to a dude whose kid brother watched a show on TV where they shot a Lion.... lol...lol...lol...

228 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:28:54am

Jordan has a problem

...(IsraelNN.com) A riot erupted Tuesday at the Swaqa Penitentiary in the Hashemite Kingdom, 10 miles south of Amman, following similar chaos in a jail elsewhere in the Jordanian prison system a day earlier.

Prisoners were protesting the segregation of al Qaeda terrorists from other inmates. Three prisoners were killed in rioting in a different prison Monday.

Jordanian police spokesman Major Mohammed al-Khatib said dozens of prisoners suffered minor injures and smoke inhalation in Tuesday’s

rioting.
[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

229 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:29:06am

re: #222 Sacred Plants

So whom do you call when governments behave like people?

Revolution?

230 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:29:25am

re: #216 BabbaZee

Reuters: Several Palestinian Civilians killed in IDF assassination attempt

231 ec marm  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:29:50am

Reporter for "large town" Pennsylvania newspaper ask Obama about prosecuting Bush administration officials when he takes office:

Obama said that as president he would indeed ask his new Attorney General and his deputies to "immediately review the information that's already there" and determine if an inquiry is warranted -- but he also tread carefully on the issue, in line with his reputation for seeking to bridge the partisan divide. He worried that such a probe could be spun as "a partisan witch hunt." However, he said that equation changes if there was willful criminality, because "nobody is above the law."


Obviously, the KosKids are pre-orgasmic at the thought...

232 rightside  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:29:59am

re: #220 doriangrey
morning dorian

233 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:30:12am

re: #227 doriangrey

LOL!

One time (1963 I think) a Polar Bear got out of the Bronx Zoo in the dead of night and was ambling down Pelham Parkway.
It was never reported to the public.
The cops and the zookeepers tranquilized him and brought him back in the paddy wagon...

234 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:31:29am

Here we have cows walking down the street.

235 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:31:53am

re: #225 BabbaZee

If it ever happens
I'll know who to call.

/seriously, that one was coming...

236 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:32:22am

In the subject line of my daily e-mail from TownHall, they juxtaposed two of my favorite columnists names as "Thomas Sowell, George Will" -- for some reason (heh), that made me think of Little Feat... So, here's some Willin'...

237 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:32:42am

BBIAFM

238 Sacred Plants  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:32:58am

re: #214 3 wood

Maybe it´s... Saif Al-Islam Al-Gaddafi:

17. In terms of spare time, my interests include my pet tigers. I have four big cats, including two extremely rare White Bengali tigers, which live with me in Tripoli and which an Italian friend gave to me. I have had them since they were tiny cubs. I love playing with my tigers, although they can sometimes be a little rough!

They do travel the planet.

239 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:33:49am

GOOD..GOOD..GOOD..BY THE WAY..GOOD...

RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - Former President Jimmy Carter, shunned by Israeli leaders over his plans to meet Hamas, said on Tuesday he sought permission to enter the Islamist-ruled Gaza Strip but was turned down.

Carter did not single out Israel by name for having turned down his request to visit Gaza, which Hamas seized in June after routing Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's secular Fatah faction.

All of the border crossings between Israel and Gaza are controlled by the Jewish state. Egyptian forces are stationed at Gaza's southern border, which is largely closed.

GO TO SYRIA. [Link: www.reuters.com...]

240 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:35:38am

re: #231 ec marm

Reporter for "large town" Pennsylvania newspaper ask Obama about prosecuting Bush administration officials when he takes office:

Obama said that as president he would indeed ask his new Attorney General and his deputies to "immediately review the information that's already there" and determine if an inquiry is warranted -- but he also tread carefully on the issue, in line with his reputation for seeking to bridge the partisan divide. He worried that such a probe could be spun as "a partisan witch hunt." However, he said that equation changes if there was willful criminality, because "nobody is above the law."


Obviously, the KosKids are pre-orgasmic at the thought...

My goodness, he IS full of himself isn't he. Just exactly what we need - a new government spending all of that time and energy - not to mention OUR money - to investigate & prosecute the previous government rather than tending to the matters we pay them to take care of.

241 Steve  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:35:45am

I am taking my economic stimulus, going to Victoria, Canada and take the family on a long deserved vacation.

242 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:35:47am

re: #234 storagemanager

Here we have cows walking down the street.

Capture one and milk it! (A gallon of milk is more than $5.00 here.)

243 chief long name  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:37:00am

re: #96 BabbaZee

{Runs with Hypothesis!}

Heap Good Morning!
/back when I cuatchum up

244 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:37:08am

re: #239 storagemanager

GOOD..GOOD..GOOD..BY THE WAY..GOOD...


GO TO SYRIA. [Link: www.reuters.com...]

After the attack of the killer rabbit, I reckon boating to the beach is out of the question.

245 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:37:24am

re: #234 storagemanager

Here we have cows walking down the street.

When we lived out West my kids and nephews loved nothing better than to sit down at the laundromat by the one stoplight in town watching the horses take themselves to pasture. They about rolled on the floor when the horses (riderless) would stop for the redlight.

246 undhimmicratic  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:37:37am

re: #239 storagemanager

Great find! Thank you.

247 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:37:56am

re: #241 Steve

I am taking my economic stimulus, going to Victoria, Canada and take the family on a long deserved vacation.

Tenting and eating PB&J?

248 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:39:17am

re: #226 BabbaZee

{Dorian}

Morning BabbaZee.....

Yesterday someone suggested I dedicate one of my songs to you, (live and fully baked) and I said their was a funny story behind the name of that song... Well here it is...

The band I as playing with at the time (Dorian Gray) used to operate a underground rave club. This was way back in the early 90's. And yes the club was literally physically underground. During the summer the club (there was no air conditioning) would get extremely hot. Well my band had a reputation for improvisation, we would make shit up on the spot and just jam for hours on end.

When I was recording the CD "So What If I'm Bleeding" The bassist was killed by a car thief who was running from the police. As the band was a three piece it made finishing the CD rather difficult, the fact that the drummer freaked out and ran off to Phoenix didnt help. So I took one of the tapes we had recorded one night in the club and used material off it to finish the CD.

The piece (live and fully baked) was untitled, so I titled it by describing the conditions under which it was recorded....

249 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:39:19am

re: #241 Steve

I am taking my economic stimulus, going to Victoria, Canada and take the family on a long deserved vacation.

I think I'm gonna' buy a new Coach purse.

250 Roger  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:40:22am
251 rightside  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:40:23am

re: #242 MandyManners

Capture one and milk it! (A gallon of milk is more than $5.00 here.)


Wow! is that Alaska or Hawaii?

252 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:40:35am

re: #231 ec marm

/sneaks into their bathrooms and removes the "hot" knobs from their showers...

253 ec marm  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:41:05am

re: #240 galloping granny

My goodness, he IS full of himself isn't he. Just exactly what we need - a new government spending all of that time and energy - not to mention OUR money - to investigate & prosecute the previous government rather than tending to the matters we pay them to take care of.


Obama is just playing to his base. They want Bush and Cheney in jail and any candidate that will make that quasi-promise to them wins their hearts and minds(?). The KosKids are going to try to keep this on the "down low" but I'm sure it's going to get out.

254 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:41:21am

Morning everyone! A few musings on Tax Day

255 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:41:31am
Media outlet admits: Yes, we were cowards
By Michelle Malkin %u2022 April 15, 2008 07:47 AM Nothing you didn’t already know, but at least they’re on the record.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

256 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:42:03am

re: #232 rightside

morning dorian


Good morning to you Lucius, rightside....

257 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:42:41am

re: #253 ec marm

Obama is just playing to his base. They want Bush and Cheney in jail and any candidate that will make that quasi-promise to them wins their hearts and minds(?). The KosKids are going to try to keep this on the "down low" but I'm sure it's going to get out.

If they knew what that expression meant not so very long ago they might not be so quick to use it.

258 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:43:54am

re: #257 galloping granny

If they knew what that expression meant not so very long ago they might not be so quick to use it.

cough... or they might... cough....

259 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:44:38am
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said here on Tuesday that all independent nations worldwide are indebted to martyrs.

Making the remark in a meeting with families of Lebanese martyrs, Ahmadinejad added that awakening of world nations has begun and era of hegemonic and corrupt powers is over.

According to the Presidential information website, two fathers of Lebanese martyrs on behalf of other families underlined that all oppressed people of the world love officials of the Islamic Republic of Iran, particularly Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.


[Link: www2.irna.com...]

260 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:44:56am

Sorry about that post...

1. Tax Day: Well, it made me see how much we actually pay in taxes. I get a refund but it's tiny compred to what I sent to Washington for Bridges to Nowhere and other Pork Projects... I wish I could specify that I'd like mine to go toward munitions for the troops.

2. Delta/Northworst Merge: Talked about for a while... So, is this a case of addition by subtraction? Nah, bad service will reign all around... Less competition, higher fares...

3. Jackie Robinson Day: Today is the anniversary of Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier in Major League Baseball. It will be interesting to see if Barry, oops, Barack Obama will make this a theme today... Since, he is Mr. Race.

More later..

261 Steve  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:44:59am

Actually a 1/2 day trip through the Puget Sound looking at Orcas.

262 funkyfantom  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:45:27am

I was outraged to find that the "progressives" of the New York public school system had given my kids a songbook containing anti-patriotic and anti-religious songs.

Among them- "Imagine" by John Lennon. ("Imagine there's no religion - imagine there's no country...") Message - this world would be great with ONE government and NO religion - hello, can anyone out there say MARXISM?

These people make me sick. They know their brainwashing is fairly subtle and were hoping it would just kind of slip in with the harmless-sounding "We are the world" kind of pablum.

I wrote a letter to the principal, but I think I will escalate if she ignores it.

263 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:45:58am

re: #258 doriangrey

cough... or they might... cough....

Funny to hear things like that moving into "mainstream" language. But then I clearly recall when to be gay meant that you were happy and a fag was a cigarette. I have had to actually explain that to the kiddo when I've assigned her books more than 30 years or so old to read.

264 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:46:07am

Look at Ahmadinejad's forhead..he be banging it more than usual.[Link: www2.irna.com...]

265 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:46:46am

re: #261 Steve

Actually a 1/2 day trip through the Puget Sound looking at Orcas.

Now THAT sounds like fun!

266 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:48:06am

re: #261 Steve

Actually a 1/2 day trip through the Puget Sound looking at Orcas.

some frickin frackin people have all the luck fun.... lol...lol...lol...

267 Dasher  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:48:09am

So Hillary says she wants to renegotiate NAFTA, interestingly she doesn't mention what about the NAFTA agreement she wants to change. I assume it is just empty rhetoric.

268 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:48:20am

re: #262 funkyfantom

I was outraged to find that the "progressives" of the New York public school system had given my kids a songbook containing anti-patriotic and anti-religious songs.

Among them- "Imagine" by John Lennon. ("Imagine there's no religion - imagine there's no country...") Message - this world would be great with ONE government and NO religion - hello, can anyone out there say MARXISM?

These people make me sick. They know their brainwashing is fairly subtle and were hoping it would just kind of slip in with the harmless-sounding "We are the world" kind of pablum.

I wrote a letter to the principal, but I think I will escalate if she ignores it.

Actually, I suspect that the principle is too stupid to even know what she's doing. EdD's are not the sharpest pencils in the box.

The thing about that song is that it preached nihilism. Yeah, that's worked out well as a political philosophy.

269 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:48:32am

re: #263 galloping granny

I thought a faggot was a bundle of sticks.

Which for some odd reason happens to be the logo of fascism.

270 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:48:33am

re: #251 rightside

Wow! is that Alaska or Hawaii?

Fly-over.

271 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:50:38am

re: #269 laZardo

I thought a faggot was a bundle of sticks.

Which for some odd reason happens to be the logo of fascism.

They used to be on the old Mercury dime, back when fasces were perfectly appropriate symbols of the republic. They made it into a torch for the Roosevelt dime.

272 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:50:48am

re: #262 funkyfantom

I was outraged to find that the "progressives" of the New York public school system had given my kids a songbook containing anti-patriotic and anti-religious songs.

Among them- "Imagine" by John Lennon. ("Imagine there's no religion - imagine there's no country...") Message - this world would be great with ONE government and NO religion - hello, can anyone out there say MARXISM?

These people make me sick. They know their brainwashing is fairly subtle and were hoping it would just kind of slip in with the harmless-sounding "We are the world" kind of pablum.

I wrote a letter to the principal, but I think I will escalate if she ignores it.

Good for you. I homeschool my granddaughter and buy hundreds of books every year for that purpose. I have been amazed to find that virtually ALL of American mythology like Paul Bunyan & Pecos Bill have completely disappeared from anything currently available, as have all of the older songs - even Stephen Foster and the historical songs from the Civil War. Gone. All gone. I have had to seek out and special order books that are 15 years or more old in order to include those in our curriculum.

273 dammad  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:51:28am

Interesting.......[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

274 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:51:59am

re: #269 laZardo

I thought a faggot was a bundle of sticks.

Which for some odd reason happens to be the logo of fascism.

That is quite true. But a faggot is a different thing than a fag. :)

275 phoenixgirl  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:52:11am

re: #249 MandyManners

I think I'm gonna' buy a new Coach purse.

was in coach this weekend....the colors are way too light for me. i did like the the patent turquoise colored bag but didn't want to become "known" by it. you should wait anyway until they are having their store sale, you can get quite a discount.

276 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:52:49am

re: #269 laZardo

I thought a faggot was a bundle of sticks.

Which for some odd reason happens to be the logo of fascism.

A faggot was once a bundle of sticks just as a fag was slang for a cigarette. Makes one wonder if by combining the two terms someone wasnt suggesting that homosexuals were bundles of sticks that needed to be lit on fire.... :O.....

277 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:53:11am

re: #271 Lucius Septimius

They used to be on the old Mercury dime, back when fasces were perfectly appropriate symbols of the republic. They made it into a torch for the Roosevelt dime.

They were also the symbols of the Roman Empire.

278 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:53:25am

re: #262 funkyfantom

I was outraged to find that the "progressives" of the New York public school system had given my kids a songbook containing anti-patriotic and anti-religious songs.

Among them- "Imagine" by John Lennon. ("Imagine there's no religion - imagine there's no country...") Message - this world would be great with ONE government and NO religion - hello, can anyone out there say MARXISM?

These people make me sick. They know their brainwashing is fairly subtle and were hoping it would just kind of slip in with the harmless-sounding "We are the world" kind of pablum.

I wrote a letter to the principal, but I think I will escalate if she ignores it.

Oh, hell yeah, escalate it!

279 ec marm  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:53:36am

KosKid conspiracy theorists pop out of woodwork and gets 124 plus dings:

That's why I don't hold it against him... (124+ / 0-)
...that he doesn't more forcefully say that he's gonna go after the scumbags. If Bush and the others really thought they were on the verge of being put against the wall, they would do anything and everything to prevent that from happening. They've already proven they're ruthless, bloodthirsty, immoral, mass murderers. So we gotta tread kinda lightly around them, until we're 100% sure they can be defanged before we try to capture them.

by ratmach on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 08:04:03 PM PDT


(Obama prosecuting Bush Kos thread) They then go on and conjecture:

Obama would be easy to take out, however. (7+ / 0-)
All they have to do is find some racist, gun-toting white power dude as a patsy.


That's all I can take of their sickness.

280 Dasher  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:53:46am

re: #260 tfc3rid

Sorry about that post...
2. Delta/Northworst Merge: Talked about for a while... So, is this a case of addition by subtraction? Nah, bad service will reign all around... Less competition, higher fares...

Here in the Twin Cities (Minneapolis/St Paul) NWA has been a staple for many years. MSP being there base and hub about 80 percent of all flights have been Northwest'. Delta has been just a bit player here. It will be an interesting transition to see.

Not sure what it will do to service, there is not much on a flight these days, anyway. Can't get much less than zero.

281 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:54:20am

re: #243 chief long name

{Runs with Hypothesis!}

Heap Good Morning!
/back when I cuatchum up

Hau, Kola!
{CLN}

282 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:54:32am

re: #276 doriangrey

Maybe "got" is a plural form in some obscure old English dialect.

283 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:54:36am
Jimmy Carter: Citizen Traitor

[Link: www.newmediajournal.us...]

284 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:55:06am

re: #248 doriangrey

What a story!

285 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:55:06am

re: #276 doriangrey

Don't give Dinnerjacket any more ideas. (;

286 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:55:43am

re: #272 galloping granny

Good for you. I homeschool my granddaughter and buy hundreds of books every year for that purpose. I have been amazed to find that virtually ALL of American mythology like Paul Bunyan & Pecos Bill have completely disappeared from anything currently available, as have all of the older songs - even Stephen Foster and the historical songs from the Civil War. Gone. All gone. I have had to seek out and special order books that are 15 years or more old in order to include those in our curriculum.

They've banished Paul Bunyan and his blue ox, Babe?!

287 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:56:35am

re: #284 BabbaZee

What a story!

I thought you might like hearing it.... :)

288 hayseed  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:57:17am

re: #276 doriangrey

gonna go smoke me a fag

289 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:57:57am

re: #276 doriangrey

A faggot was once a bundle of sticks just as a fag was slang for a cigarette. Makes one wonder if by combining the two terms someone wasnt suggesting that homosexuals were bundles of sticks that needed to be lit on fire.... :O.....

If I remember my history correctly, they useta' burn homosexuals as a way to start the fire that burned witches. There's more to it but, it's early for me.

290 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:58:10am

re: #272 galloping granny

Good for you. I homeschool my granddaughter and buy hundreds of books every year for that purpose. I have been amazed to find that virtually ALL of American mythology like Paul Bunyan & Pecos Bill have completely disappeared from anything currently available, as have all of the older songs - even Stephen Foster and the historical songs from the Civil War. Gone. All gone. I have had to seek out and special order books that are 15 years or more old in order to include those in our curriculum.

We home school, and nearly all of our reading curricular materials date back to the 70s -- they are interesting and relatively free from PC BS (though there is still a good deal of the bell-bottom/disco/quiche-and-fern liberalism in the mix). I really like Siegfried Engelmann's reading programs.

I've been collecting readings on American history for a while -- there are some good biographies in the Landmark Book series, originally published in the 60's. I'm also a fan of the old American Heritage Illustrated history series -- I still have mine from about 1968. The articles are written by real historians and the pictures are great.

Scour used book stores, estate sales, library sales (they definitely are trying to dump kids books that don't live up to Gramscian standards) and AAUP sales (if they have any where you are). I got a complete Latin curriculum at one of the latter. At one library sale I bought about $1200 worth of books for $50 once.

291 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:58:14am

re: #286 MandyManners

They've banished Paul Bunyan and his blue ox, Babe?!

Oh that's nothing, just wait they will start portraying them as enemies of the state before much longer....

293 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:59:06am

I posted this in spin-off...but you need to see this BabbaZee.......

Shariah Law: The Future For Britain

[Link: www.newenglishreview.org...]

294 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:59:22am

re: #288 hayseed

gonna go smoke me a fag

Oh my........I aint touching that one with a revisionists ten foot pole....

295 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:59:24am

re: #290 Lucius Septimius

almost ALL of my books are old and used

296 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:59:35am

re: #277 galloping granny

They were also the symbols of the Roman Empire.

Didn't Hitler think his regime was a continuation of the Roman Empire?

297 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:59:41am

re: #293 storagemanager

I posted this in spin-off...but you need to see this BabbaZee.......

[Link: www.newenglishreview.org...]

{Storage}
thank you

298 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:00:01am

re: #279 ec marm

KosKid conspiracy theorists pop out of woodwork and gets 124 plus dings:

That's all I can take of their sickness.

re: #286 MandyManners

They've banished Paul Bunyan and his blue ox, Babe?!

Yes Ma'am, they have. I have not found a single thing that is traditionally American in the way of a children's tale or mythology or music in the current "offerings." ?Afraid they might offend all our new immigrants?

At any rate, if you want your kid to know about such stuff, you'll have to find it on your own. The very best I have found is From Sea to Shining Sea: A Treasury of American Folklore & Folk Songs. You will have to buy this used - watch Amazon. Published in 1993!

299 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:00:01am

re: #296 MandyManners

Didn't Hitler think his regime was a continuation of the Roman Empire?

no Mussolini did

Hitler thought he was an Aryan God

300 blame canada  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:00:04am

The Iranian Elliot Spitzer:
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Heh heh...

301 rightside  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:00:06am

re: #270 MandyManners

Ahhh...where those people live. LOL

302 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:00:41am

re: #277 galloping granny

Back in the early days of the Roman Republic, the Lictors -- basically the bailiffs of the city court -- cared the fasces as symbols of office. Their job was to maintain order in the assembly, which sometimes required knocking in heads. They fasces subsequently came to represent the unity and strength of the Republic.

There are still fasces on the wall of the US Senate chambers, flanking the podium. Another nod to Rome.

303 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:01:35am

re: #291 doriangrey

Oh that's nothing, just wait they will start portraying them as enemies of the state before much longer....

Well, I played Paul Bunyan's mom in the fifth grade play so, I ain't about to let The Kid miss out on this figure.

304 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:01:36am

re: #292 BabbaZee


Rock and Roll sure does appear to have a higher fatality rate than other non-policing professions...

Sigh.........that it does... Well this lizard must run off to work, since nobody will buy my CD anymore I must do like everyone else and earn a frickin living... lol...lol...lol...

305 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:02:32am

re: #304 doriangrey

Don't forget to cling to your guns and religion on your way out. LOL. See ya later.

306 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:02:37am

re: #299 BabbaZee

no Mussolini did

Hitler thought he was an Aryan God

There are those who worship imperial Rome and those who recalled the Republic. Our Founding Fathers were enamoured of the Republic; Mussolini and other dictators loved the Empire.

307 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:03:06am

re: #305 laZardo

Don't forget to cling to your guns and religion on your way out. LOL. See ya later.

Oh I'm a clingin, dont you fret....

308 hayseed  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:03:10am

re: #290 Lucius Septimius

at the university I worked at there were very few sane AAUP members

309 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:03:22am

re: #291 doriangrey

Oh that's nothing, just wait they will start portraying them as enemies of the state before much longer....

Well, he was a lumber-jack so, I'm surprised he's not been symbolically burned by ELF and its ilk.

310 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:03:24am

re: #295 BabbaZee

almost ALL of my books are old and used

Same here. In my case they match their owner.

311 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:04:22am

re: #308 hayseed

at the university I worked at there were very few sane AAUP members

True, but they still do a good book sale.

Oh, wait -- I think I'm thinking of the AAUW, not AAUP.

By bad.

312 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:04:28am

Europe & US to take Lead in Sharia Insurance

Europe and the US are expected to be the fastest-growing markets for sharia-compliant insurance over the next decade, according to a leading industry figure.


Prepare to sustain yourself in all ways
Move out of the cities
It's coming down fast

313 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:04:34am

re: #298 galloping granny

Yes Ma'am, they have. I have not found a single thing that is traditionally American in the way of a children's tale or mythology or music in the current "offerings." ?Afraid they might offend all our new immigrants?

At any rate, if you want your kid to know about such stuff, you'll have to find it on your own. The very best I have found is From Sea to Shining Sea: A Treasury of American Folklore & Folk Songs. You will have to buy this used - watch Amazon. Published in 1993!

I'm gonna' find out if his school still teaches it. It's an easy introduction to legends and folk tales.

314 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:05:00am

re: #304 doriangrey

{Dorian}

Later Daddy

315 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:05:21am

re: #310 Lucius Septimius

Same here. In my case they match their owner.

Mine too ah ha

316 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:05:27am

re: #309 MandyManners

Well, he was a lumber-jack so, I'm surprised he's not been symbolically burned by ELF and its ilk.



If he's a lumber jack, then he's ok.

317 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:05:32am

re: #290 Lucius Septimius

We home school, and nearly all of our reading curricular materials date back to the 70s -- they are interesting and relatively free from PC BS (though there is still a good deal of the bell-bottom/disco/quiche-and-fern liberalism in the mix). I really like Siegfried Engelmann's reading programs.

I've been collecting readings on American history for a while -- there are some good biographies in the Landmark Book series, originally published in the 60's. I'm also a fan of the old American Heritage Illustrated history series -- I still have mine from about 1968. The articles are written by real historians and the pictures are great.

Scour used book stores, estate sales, library sales (they definitely are trying to dump kids books that don't live up to Gramscian standards) and AAUP sales (if they have any where you are). I got a complete Latin curriculum at one of the latter. At one library sale I bought about $1200 worth of books for $50 once.

Yes, we own all of the Landmark books. I use quite a bit of older stuff too. For Latin we are currently using the Minimus series out of the UK - aimed at elementary students and it is excellent. Are you familiar with the Roman Mystery series? Caroline Lawrence does those. She is an American married to a Brit, majored in Latin & the classics. Those, too, are superb. And we have finally managed to get Amazon to drag them across the pond when new ones are released in the UK. US publication is 3 or so years behind.

318 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:05:57am
Stephen Colbert called it "an announcement." Chris Matthews went on the Comedy Central show last night and, responding to the host's importuning to declare his candidacy for US Senator from Pennsylvania, ultimately stated: "I want to be a senator

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

319 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:06:32am

re: #317 galloping granny

I'd heard of the Roman mystery series -- a good friend of mine who's a mystery buff and former Latin teacher mentioned them to me -- need to look at those.

320 funkyfantom  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:07:01am

re: #268 Lucius Septimius

Actually, I suspect that the principle is too stupid to even know what she's doing. EdD's are not the sharpest pencils in the box.

The thing about that song is that it preached nihilism. Yeah, that's worked out well as a political philosophy.

Probably you are right, yet someone in the chain must know what they are doing.

321 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:07:35am

re: #289 MandyManners

That'd explain how "flaming" came into popular use.

322 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:07:47am

re: #313 MandyManners

I'm gonna' find out if his school still teaches it. It's an easy introduction to legends and folk tales.

Ask to see the book. If they are using any of the current mainstream reading programs it either is not there at all or there is very, very little.

323 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:08:15am

re: #318 storagemanager

If it were Colbert making the announcement, serious or not, he'd probably get elected.

324 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:08:33am

If you are tired of jihad and want to escape...try reading thr3e..by Ted Dekker very good..a page turner

325 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:09:22am

Speaking of home-schooling, time to go beat the kids. BBL.

326 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:10:27am

re: #319 Lucius Septimius

I'd heard of the Roman mystery series -- a good friend of mine who's a mystery buff and former Latin teacher mentioned them to me -- need to look at those.

They are wonderful. I cannot say enough good things about Caroline & her work. They are all very accurate historically, not the least bit politically correct. I pre-read virtually everything before the kiddo gets it and even I enjoy these. She has a website where you can get a sample - also some teaching activities.

327 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:10:48am

re: #312 BabbaZee

Stay in the cities and be neighbors with radical Muslims, or head out to the hills and be neighbors with WN...

Tough call.

328 funkyfantom  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:10:49am

re: #272 galloping granny

Good for you. I homeschool my granddaughter and buy hundreds of books every year for that purpose. I have been amazed to find that virtually ALL of American mythology like Paul Bunyan & Pecos Bill have completely disappeared from anything currently available, as have all of the older songs - even Stephen Foster and the historical songs from the Civil War. Gone. All gone. I have had to seek out and special order books that are 15 years or more old in order to include those in our curriculum.

Unfortunately this is not an option for us financially- even though my salary is OK, my wife works part-time for low $$- we must depend on the public school system - they need to get back to their mission of the 3 R's - plus patriotism.

I am merely asking to LEAVE religion out of it ( I attend worship services regularly, BTW).

329 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:11:21am

I have a turkey holy war going on here
Three big toms puffin '
and struttin'
and gobblin'
GOD bless America

330 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:11:52am

Well, if Chrissy Mathews runs for Senate, I wonder (hmmmm) what party he would run and represent? Anyone?

I do agre that if Colbert would run, he morons who watch him would vote for him and he might actually win...

America is quickly becoming the nations it's portryed as in the movie 'Idiocracy'

331 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:11:56am

re: #299 BabbaZee

no Mussolini did

Hitler thought he was an Aryan God

I get the putzim (sp?) confused at times.

332 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:12:26am

re: #327 laZardo

Stay in the cities and be neighbors with radical Muslims, or head out to the hills and be neighbors with WN...

Tough call.

Not at all.
When they are shooting each other over a snapple and a slim jim in my old neighborhood I'll be making venison stew on the pot belly.

Get out of the cities.

333 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:12:48am

re: #331 MandyManners


putzim

lolololol

334 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:12:48am

re: #301 rightside

Ahhh...where those people live. LOL

Yes, the unenlightened masses.

335 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:13:17am

re: #332 BabbaZee

Not at all.
When they are shooting each other over a snapple and a slim jim in my old neighborhood I'll be making venison stew on the pot belly.

Get out of the cities.

I hope to leave NYC within 18 months...

336 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:13:27am

re: #328 funkyfantom

they need to get back to their mission of the 3 R's - plus patriotism.

So long as the schools of ed remain under the spell of Dewey and Marcuse, and the NEA retains it's death grip over education, that's not going to happen.

Financially it's rough on us as well, but we felt we had no choice.

337 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:13:36am

re: #329 BabbaZee

I have a turkey holy war going on here
Three big toms puffin '
and struttin'
and gobblin'
GOD bless America


are you going to feed the whole town?..lol

338 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:13:38am

re: #335 tfc3rid

I hope to leave NYC within 18 months...

GOOD!
I am thrilled to hear that.

339 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:14:16am

re: #338 BabbaZee

GOOD!
I am thrilled to hear that.

Sadly, my parents will never leave Queens.

340 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:14:18am

re: #302 Lucius Septimius

Back in the early days of the Roman Republic, the Lictors -- basically the bailiffs of the city court -- cared the fasces as symbols of office. Their job was to maintain order in the assembly, which sometimes required knocking in heads. They fasces subsequently came to represent the unity and strength of the Republic.

There are still fasces on the wall of the US Senate chambers, flanking the podium. Another nod to Rome.


I'd like to have my own set of fasces at times. Watch out, John Fucking Murtha!

341 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:14:36am

re: #335 tfc3rid

I wanna try to go back to SF before I get my Bachelor's.

/they could use a real resistance over there... ;)

342 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:15:14am

re: #332 BabbaZee

Not at all.
When they are shooting each other over a snapple and a slim jim in my old neighborhood I'll be making venison stew on the pot belly.

Get out of the cities.


I did...took a lot of the family with me.

343 realwest  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:15:37am

Good morning y'all - from a chilly (37 degrees and windy, going up to 61 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!

How is everyone doing this morning?

344 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:16:02am

re: #339 tfc3rid

Hopefully they will not be around for the day

345 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:16:26am

re: #342 storagemanager

I know you did. It was the smart thing to do.

346 realwest  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:16:28am

YO BABBA!

347 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:16:31am

re: #343 realwest

Good morning my friend! Hope you and mom are feeling well this day!

348 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:16:34am

re: #343 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a chilly (37 degrees and windy, going up to 61 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!

How is everyone doing this morning?

Great, sort of. Running off, but wanted to say "hey."

I'm likely to be sending you an email later.

349 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:16:51am

re: #344 BabbaZee

Hopefully they will not be around for the day

I'm hoping they will decide to go... They aren't that old...

350 rightside  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:17:09am

re: #343 realwest

Hey real!

351 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:17:35am

re: #337 storagemanager

are you going to feed the whole town?..lol

Nope I am going to let them get it on!
I want the hens to have babies

352 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:18:03am

re: #316 Lucius Septimius


If he's a lumber jack, then he's ok.

Suspenders AND a bra? Tres tackeeeeeeee.

353 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:18:07am

I can not get this story out of my head...........

KAMPALA, Uganda — An overnight fire a primary school dormitory in Uganda killed 19 school children and two adults, police said Tuesday.

By the time the fire brigade reached the school, most of the girl's dormitory had already burned down at the school about 7 1/2 miles from the capital, Kampala. The students were between the ages of 7 and 10 and the adults were their matrons.

Police spokeswoman Judith Nabakooba said authorities were investigating the cause of the blaze.

The doors to the dormitory had been locked from the outside and there was no electricity during the time of the fire, said school worker James Kiiza.

"We suspect that bad people are responsible for the fire," he said. "We cannot say it was due to electricity short circuit. And the door was locked from outside, which shows that someone could have first locked the door before setting the fire."

Kiiza said there were few people around because workers have been on strike for more than a month because they have not been paid, a common occurrence in Uganda.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

354 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:18:18am

re: #346 realwest

YO REAL!

355 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:19:12am

re: #320 funkyfantom

Probably you are right, yet someone in the chain must know what they are doing.

Maybe not. In most school districts the books are chosen by some "curriculum committee" and individual teachers or even schools may have little or no input.

356 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:19:15am

re: #321 laZardo

That'd explain how "flaming" came into popular use.

I think they useta' bundle a bunch of homosexuals together and douse them with something flamable.

Like I said, it's been a while since I read about it.

357 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:19:38am

re: #349 tfc3rid

I'm hoping they will decide to go... They aren't that old...

how old are they?

358 realwest  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:20:25am

re: #347 tfc3rid Hi there - yeah, we're feeling ok today thanks - mom's a little tense about her doctor's meeting tomorrow but otherwise we're doing ok! How are you doing today?

359 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:20:37am

re: #357 BabbaZee

how old are they?

Dad will be 70 on May 24 and Mom will be 65 this year.

360 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:21:00am

re: #322 galloping granny

Ask to see the book. If they are using any of the current mainstream reading programs it either is not there at all or there is very, very little.

I sent his teacher an e-mail a few minutes ago. It's a private, Christian school that does NOT use the same curricula in public schools.

361 realwest  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:21:14am

re: #348 Lucius Septimius Hey my friend - I'll be looking for that e-mail (long as I'm not napping, I mean!).

362 realwest  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:21:49am

re: #350 rightside Hey rightsiide, how are y'all today?

363 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:21:49am

re: #358 realwest

Eh, not doing too bad... Very tired, it's been an eventful few weeks... Lots of post-work extracurricular activities and weekend activities...

Although I am happy that I could get the garden prepped this pat weekend... Very early on for me...

364 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:22:04am

re: #333 BabbaZee

lolololol

Is that the correct Yiddish spelling of plural "putz"?

365 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:22:05am

re: #359 tfc3rid

Likely they won't leave if they have not at that age.
NYers are stubborn
My Grandma died on the Concourse while the Bronx collapsed around her, refusing to see it.

366 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:22:31am

re: #364 MandyManners

Is that the correct Yiddish spelling of plural "putz"?

any ~im makes something plural as far as I know but check with Judah

367 realwest  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:23:03am

re: #354 BabbaZee
David Bowie - so early in the morning?!? LOL!
Uh, when you get a chance you might want to check your e-mail!

368 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:23:32am

re: #336 Lucius Septimius

So long as the schools of ed remain under the spell of Dewey and Marcuse, and the NEA retains it's death grip over education, that's not going to happen.

Financially it's rough on us as well, but we felt we had no choice.

GREAT GALLOPING WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE!

369 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:23:39am

re: #328 funkyfantom

Unfortunately this is not an option for us financially- even though my salary is OK, my wife works part-time for low $$- we must depend on the public school system - they need to get back to their mission of the 3 R's - plus patriotism.

I am merely asking to LEAVE religion out of it ( I attend worship services regularly, BTW).

I have a friend who is homeschooling her kids. They looked at her taking a part-time low$ job and calculated that by the time they allowed for gas, extra wear/tear/insurance on the car, lunch, clothes she would need to work in public that are not required, and the after school "daycare" that would be required for the girls that they would lose money. Quite a bit of money. Before they calculated in the cost of the veggies & eggs she raises now that they would have to buy.

The school system is not going to do anything but get worse. The real question is how you are going to communicate your values and the three Rs to your kids, because they will not learn them in most schools.

370 realwest  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:24:47am

re: #363 tfc3rid Yeah but the exquisite question is: did ya get your taxes filed yet?!

371 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:25:34am

Mr. B won't let me raise chickens....yet

He is still largely unconvinced....
and he lives with me

Which shows you how willfully blind even so called awake people are

372 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:25:53am

re: #353 storagemanager

Who would want to lock the doors of a girls' dorm and then torch it? That's just sick.

373 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:26:18am

re: #365 BabbaZee

Most likely they will never leave... My issue is that my dad has MS and his mobility is limited, my mom is also bad mobility wise but still works (although cannot walk to work 2 blocks away) and they do depend on me for a lot... I know they will be crushed upon my leaving but I just can't stay here any longer...

374 funkyfantom  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:26:38am

re: #278 MandyManners

Oh, hell yeah, escalate it!

The tough part will be finding fair-minded education bureaucrats or politicians to escalate to around these parts. There are a few, though.

375 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:27:02am

re: #366 BabbaZee

any ~im makes something plural as far as I know but check with Judah

Will do if my brain can keep the question until I see him around.

376 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:27:15am

re: #369 galloping granny

the schools INDOCTRINATE and REEDUCATE
the schools make the STATE their god

They do NOT teach
not anymore.

They unteach

and people happily let them do it too

377 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:27:34am

re: #372 MandyManners

Who would want to lock the doors of a girls' dorm and then torch it? That's just sick.

I am thinking of a religion ...guess which one.

378 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:27:39am

re: #373 tfc3rid

Ohh that is hard

379 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:27:43am

re: #370 realwest

Yeah but the exquisite question is: did ya get your taxes filed yet?!

Done and done... Although freaking NY State and NY City... NEVER get a refund...

Seriously, I lose 50% of my pay in taxes, healthcare and 401K (which I hope to see someday).

380 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:28:02am

re: #369 galloping granny

Go private.

381 Hengineer  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:28:12am

Ahoy there, black gang reports engines running smoothly

382 funkyfantom  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:28:14am

re: #336 Lucius Septimius

So long as the schools of ed remain under the spell of Dewey and Marcuse, and the NEA retains it's death grip over education, that's not going to happen.

Financially it's rough on us as well, but we felt we had no choice.

I admire people like you who stick to their principles.

383 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:28:24am

re: #371 BabbaZee

Mr. B won't let me raise chickens....yet

He is still largely unconvinced....
and he lives with me

Which shows you how willfully blind even so called awake people are

He let you have stinky turkeys but not chickens? Go figure. Is he out plowing yet?

384 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:28:26am

re: #377 storagemanager

I am thinking of a religion ...guess which one.

Shintoism?

385 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:28:36am

re: #380 MandyManners

Go private.

If home-schooling is not an option, that is.

386 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:28:39am

re: #378 BabbaZee

Tell me about it...

387 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:28:54am

re: #383 galloping granny

The Turkeys are wild, they just like me and live here half the day

lol

388 rightside  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:28:56am

re: #362 realwest

Doing very well thanks, I even managed to join this thread at home, and see some of BabbaZee's youtube links!

How are you?

389 realwest  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:29:10am

There are too many links in the spin off links for this thread, so I'll just tell ya some news and hope I'm not repeating what someone else has said:

Foreclosures jump 57 percent in last 12 months
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Home foreclosure filings surged 57 percent in the 12 month-period ended in March and bank repossessions soared 129 percent from a year ago, as homeowners struggled to make mortgage payments, real estate data firm RealtyTrac said on Tuesday.

For the month of March, foreclosure filings, default notices, auction sale notices and bank repossessions rose 5 percent, led by Nevada, California and Florida, RealtyTrac said.

The rise in March to filings on a total of 234,685 properties followed a 4 percent decline in February, RealtyTrac reported.

RealtyTrac said the peak has yet to be reached.

"What we're really looking at is ongoing fallout from people overextending themselves to buy homes they couldn't afford and using highly toxic loan products to get into the houses in the first place," Rick Sharga, vice president of marketing at RealtyTrac, based in Irvine, California, said in an interview.

"We're going to see quite possibly a record amount of foreclosure activity in the third or fourth quarter," reflecting sharp payment increases on adjustable-rate subprime mortgages in May and June, Sharga said.

One in every 538 U.S. households living in single-family dwellings received a foreclosure filing in March. The single-family dwellings can include condominiums.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

390 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:29:11am

re: #374 funkyfantom

The tough part will be finding fair-minded education bureaucrats or politicians to escalate to around these parts. There are a few, though.

Lay into them!

391 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:29:22am

re: #383 galloping granny

He made a nice spot yes

392 hayseed  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:29:59am

re: #371 BabbaZee

there is a hatchery down the road from me. they got all kinds of chickens. all different makes and models.lol

393 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:30:22am

re: #377 storagemanager

I am thinking of a religion ...guess which one.

Ummmm...it's too early in the a.m. for me to do that much thinking.

Oh, wait. Could it be Islam?

Nah. That's the Religion of Peace. Besides, they respect women. Right?

394 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:30:43am
A British headteacher who was shot dead in Somalia by Islamist insurgents may have been targeted because he was a Christian convert, his wife said yesterday.

Daud Hassan Ali, 64, was killed outside the Hiran community education project English school in Beledweyne in central Somalia late on Sunday night, along with Rehana Ahmed, 33, a fellow British Somali teacher. She was reported to have been shot in the head.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

395 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:30:43am

re: #374 funkyfantom

The tough part will be finding fair-minded education bureaucrats or politicians to escalate to around these parts. There are a few, though.

In NYC, there aren't too many... I give you credit though... Most folks around here wouldn't realize it... Or, don't know English well enough to care...

396 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:30:47am

Wow.

Just saw the UN suicide bombing thread.

The UN supports suicide bombing.

Why not request a fatwa on all suicide bombings?

Because that would take away the Ewoks favorite weapon against the Joos.

And the UN can't have that, can it?

397 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:32:06am

In the Financial Jihad Department


15 April 2008

Malaysian Islamic finance scholar Mohammed Daud Bakar has called on the Islamic finance sector to embrace greater standardisation of its rules and regulations.

Bakar, speaking to the International Islamic Finance Forum (IIFF) in Dubai on Monday, said that the issue of the Sharia standard - a universal financial standard which is Sharia compliant - was still a controversial issue in the sector.

"The aim of having a standard is to bring the market into harmonious practice, bring costs down,
and to make it clearer for investors," Bakar said.

"I am for one to have Sharia standardisation - but it is still one of the issues that is being debated."

Bakar, recognised as one of the most eminent Islamic finance scholars in the Far East, is a member of AAOIFI, a corporate body set up in 1991, which sets standards in the Islamic finance sector.

The Islamic Financial Services Board (IFSB), which also sets standards for the industry using different methods and markets, is based in Malaysia and was founded in 2002.

Bakar was speaking at the IIFF in Dubai, being held from May 13-17, and headlined by Nobel Laureate Muhammad Yunus this year.

Bakar also spoke about his views regarding the "gold standard" being used as medium of exchange in the Islamic world today.

"I don't believe in the gold standard for currency," said Bakar. "For me it's not practical... there could even be wars over gold - it's just creating another issue."

However, Bakar did advocate the use of gold being used as a means of exchange in a virtual transaction, as is currently done by sites such as [Link: www.e-gold.com...] and [Link: www.igdexchange.com....]

Speaking at IIFF on Sunday, a group of panellists led by Yunus urged the Islamic finance sector to patronise microfinance and spoke about how the sector needs to undergo a paradigm shift to begin alleviating poverty.

398 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:32:10am

re: #380 MandyManners

Go private.

Can't here. There are very few private schools. One is a moonbat school that follows the same trashy curriculum the publics do with a strong emphasis on environmentalism. Another is an extremely spendy, upscale private that focuses on sports rather than academics. There is a Christian school, but it is one that concentrates on the Christian rather than the school. Daddy & family, who are Jewish, would have a bloody fit. That would likely provoke a legal war.

I am fully qualified to teach, have done at the college level, and semi-retired so it works. She gets to work at her own pretty rapid pace and we "socialize" and "network" by doing things with some homeschooling friends.

399 Hengineer  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:32:18am

Yea I saw that UN thread as well, I was like....why don't they ask to stop ALL suicide bombings? oh wait that's not multicultural...

400 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:32:25am

re: #384 tfc3rid

Zoroastrianism?

401 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:32:57am

re: #392 hayseed

Hey, Seed!

402 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:33:03am

Good morning all.

403 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:34:27am

Good morning, follow lizardoids.

It's going to be a bright beautiful day here in SW Chicagoland, maybe into the mid-60s. It's bright in more ways than one. Obama attending a party thrown in Nadhmi Auchi's honor at the Rezko place is now documented in a court of law.

Here is Hot Air's take on it.

Chicago SunTimes

Chicago Tribune

Read them all, including the comments.

404 realwest  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:34:28am

re: #379 tfc3rid Oh yeah, I remember those days (before I got medically retired and had to move down here) quite well! Although under Clinton I was paying something like 50% NOT including my 401k!
I couldn't help but read upthread, my friend, that you gotta get out of NYC and are afraid your folks won't go with you - do you know where you'll be going? Have you even discussed leaving NYC with them?

405 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:34:50am

And Boker effen Tov.

406 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:34:55am
The US Government has little time for Hamas, whose lengthy and bloody suicide bombing campaign against Israel has left some 250 Israelis dead. Last year, the group found itself even more isolated after its violent takeover of the Gaza Strip.

Mr Yousuf believes that Carter’s visit could help end the thaw in relations between Hamas and the international community.

"If he comes and meets Hamas, this will also enhance the image and understanding between America and the Muslim world," he told the news agency.

"Carter's visit is a good step and a positive step in the right direction. It would engage with the world community. To what degree he succeeds depends on the people in Europe and the US."

[Link: www.christiantoday.com...]

407 Widow'smight  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:34:56am

re: #373 tfc3rid

Geez, you could move down here, then you could watch the Phillies play every night. I'd even help convert your new yalk accent into more of a PA Dutchiefied one.

Zees younk kits zink zee no evryzink but zee no nazink.

Course when the wind's just right, ahhh. You'll learn to distinquish the different afterwards of different animals.

408 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:35:30am

re: #389 realwest

Nobody seems to be reading the links anyway.

409 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:36:09am
410 rightside  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:36:22am
411 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:36:23am

re: #396 Ben Hur

Is "putzim" the plural of "putz"?

412 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:36:26am

re: #371 BabbaZee

Mr. B won't let me raise chickens....yet

He is still largely unconvinced....
and he lives with me

Which shows you how willfully blind even so called awake people are

Chickens are an anchor. If you travel regularly, you will need someone to keep up with them when you are gone. If you are home everyday and need some more chores, they're fine.

My beloved grandmother worried about her damned chickens so much it was insane. My uncle kept his trap shut, even though the cost and effort had outgrown the utility.

I will say there is NOTHING more exciting to a city/suburban kid than to go out and gather eggs (until they reach the age when nothing with their family is exciting, LOL).

413 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:36:40am

I come up for air, and see the ol' deathreaders still at it....

a constant in an ever changing world. Thank goodness there's a constant somewhere!

414 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:37:37am

re: #410 rightside

Naturally.

415 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:37:54am

re: #398 galloping granny

Can't here. There are very few private schools. One is a moonbat school that follows the same trashy curriculum the publics do with a strong emphasis on environmentalism. Another is an extremely spendy, upscale private that focuses on sports rather than academics. There is a Christian school, but it is one that concentrates on the Christian rather than the school. Daddy & family, who are Jewish, would have a bloody fit. That would likely provoke a legal war.

I am fully qualified to teach, have done at the college level, and semi-retired so it works. She gets to work at her own pretty rapid pace and we "socialize" and "network" by doing things with some homeschooling friends.

Sounds like a good set-up. Well, it doesn't "sound" like it. It is.

416 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:37:59am

re: #412 OldLineTexan

I am home
All the time

417 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:38:08am

Good Tuesday morning all.

418 realwest  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:38:23am

re: #388 rightside I'm pleased to hear you're doing so well today!
I'm doing ok, thanks.
Why is it that today you're on LGF from home, not work?!

419 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:38:50am

re: #417 Ward Cleaver