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Tuesday Early Morning Open

Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:15:00 am PDT

If people behaved like governments, you’d call the cops.

Kelvin Throop

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1 goddessoftheclassroom  4/15/08 3:15:36 am reply quote

May none of us have a taxing day...

2 Da_Beerfreak  4/15/08 3:17:53 am reply quote

re: #1 goddessoftheclassroom

May none of us have a taxing day...

Easy for you to say.
I just got my "TurboTax" and have to sit down and do the last minute thing.

3 goddessoftheclassroom  4/15/08 3:20:35 am reply quote

re: #2 Da_Beerfreak

Easy for you to say.
I just got my "TurboTax" and have to sit down and do the last minute thing.

It shouldn't be too bad--I LOVE Turbotax. Just make sure you have all your documents together and no interruptions for about an hour and a half. Good luck!

4 savage_nation[deleted]  4/15/08 3:20:58 am
5 BlueCanuck  4/15/08 3:21:08 am reply quote

Meh, I have to do my taxes for this year and last year. :(

/always a procrastinator.

6 galloping granny  4/15/08 3:21:08 am reply quote

re: #2 Da_Beerfreak

Easy for you to say.
I just got my "TurboTax" and have to sit down and do the last minute thing.

You actually buy the thing? You can use them online you know. And if you make less than $50K or so you can use it free.

7 redc1c4  4/15/08 3:21:50 am reply quote

i have people for that.....

/stick to what yu know. %-)

L8r x2

8 galloping granny  4/15/08 3:22:38 am reply quote

re: #4 savage_nation

Whats the scoop on the refunds we are all supposed to get? Has it been finalized?

$300 won't fill the oil tank. Or the gas tank on a big pick up. Who cares.

9 Da_Beerfreak  4/15/08 3:22:40 am reply quote

re: #3 goddessoftheclassroom

It shouldn't be too bad--I LOVE Turbotax. Just make sure you have all your documents together and no interruptions for about an hour and a half. Good luck!

I hear ya!
Been using TT for about the last 8 years, shouldn't take more then a half hour.
// {;-)™

10 BlueCanuck  4/15/08 3:22:50 am reply quote

re: #6 galloping granny

Do they have a Canadian version? :)

/or I'll just talk to someone I know that buys the latest version.
//hope he still has last years version.

11 zombie  4/15/08 3:23:07 am reply quote

re: #1 goddessoftheclassroom

May none of us have a taxing day...

re: #2 Da_Beerfreak

Easy for you to say.
I just got my "TurboTax" and have to sit down and do the last minute thing.

I too have not finished my taxes yet.

I will be doing it all day tomorrow.

What a drag.... Hope to finish by 5pm.

My taxes are suprisingly complicated! (One of the unexpected side effects of having several secret identities.)

12 goddessoftheclassroom  4/15/08 3:23:38 am reply quote

re: #6 galloping granny

You actually buy the thing? You can use them online you know. And if you make less than $50K or so you can use it free.

Only the Basic version. More complicated filers (moi) are better off with the Deluxe, and it includes the state return as well. You're right about the 1040EZ filers--it's a boon.

13 zombie  4/15/08 3:24:34 am reply quote

re: #9 Da_Beerfreak

I hear ya!
Been using TT for about the last 8 years, shouldn't take more then a half hour.

Seriously?

Takes me about 3 - 4 days to do my taxes.

14 opnion  4/15/08 3:25:37 am reply quote

Good Morning Lizards. I forget who said that "It is a privilege to pay taxes
If it is a privilege, why can't I decline?"

15 goddessoftheclassroom  4/15/08 3:26:03 am reply quote

re: #13 zombie

Seriously?

Takes me about 3 - 4 days to do my taxes.

I'm giggling are the mental picture of James Bond doing his taxes...

16 BulgarWheat  4/15/08 3:26:10 am reply quote

re: #1 goddessoftheclassroom

I don't know why everyone is stressing out about getting their taxes done. I solved that problem 20 years ago. I married my accountant.

heh!

/get into an orderly line before everyone starts beating me about the head

17 Da_Beerfreak  4/15/08 3:26:30 am reply quote

re: #6 galloping granny

You actually buy the thing? You can use them online you know. And if you make less than $50K or so you can use it free.

Sure do.
Not sure if the on-line version will do the state property tax rebate forms I have to mail into the state (in Sept.).
// {;-)™

18 BlueCanuck  4/15/08 3:26:40 am reply quote

re: #14 opnion

Probably some leftist, liberal, socialist politician. *sigh*

/don't really mind paying taxes some times but why must they waste my money most of the time?

19 galloping granny  4/15/08 3:26:53 am reply quote

re: #10 BlueCanuck

Do they have a Canadian version? :)

/or I'll just talk to someone I know that buys the latest version.
//hope he still has last years version.

They might have a Canadian version - they have one for all of the states that have an income tax. That probably wouldn't be free, though. The free business is either mandated by US law or sponsored by the Feds, not sure which.

20 galloping granny  4/15/08 3:27:20 am reply quote

re: #17 Da_Beerfreak

Sure do.
Not sure if the on-line version will do the state property tax rebate forms I have to mail into the state (in Sept.).
// {;-)™

It does as far as I do. Does for Vermont anyway.

21 goddessoftheclassroom  4/15/08 3:27:25 am reply quote

re: #16 BulgarWheat

I've always done my own taxes. It's a matter of stubbornness determination with me. You're solution is the best one, though!

22 zombie  4/15/08 3:27:40 am reply quote

Actually filling out the IRS forms and state forms is the easy part. I can do that in maybe 3 hours.

No, the hard part is gathering all the documentation and squeezing the data out of it. Details details details details.....

23 goddessoftheclassroom  4/15/08 3:28:44 am reply quote

re: #22 zombie

Another giggle at the thought of receipts made out to "Zombie" and the look on the clerk's face who typed it out...

24 galloping granny  4/15/08 3:29:20 am reply quote

re: #13 zombie

Seriously?

Takes me about 3 - 4 days to do my taxes.

Oh he is VERY serious. And stupendously simple. I've had to do my sister's taxes for the last 30 years - usually at 9:30 pm on the last possible day. Last year we turned her on to doing them by computer and you would think she's been doing them for years. Only takes her about a half an hour. Her computer skills extend to IM and email.

25 Da_Beerfreak  4/15/08 3:30:55 am reply quote

re: #13 zombie

Seriously?

Takes me about 3 - 4 days to do my taxes.

No kids, no other deductions, just me and my house.
And I bought it from Sam's club.
// {;-)™

26 savage_nation[deleted]  4/15/08 3:31:24 am
27 zombie  4/15/08 3:32:14 am reply quote

re: #23 goddessoftheclassroom

Another giggle at the thought of receipts made out to "Zombie" and the look on the clerk's face who typed it out...

That's one of the problems! They aren't made out to "zombie."

I really do wear a lot of different hats. And have a lot of "identities." And legal structures. But being the ridiculously honest person that I am, I pay taxes on everything I ought to. It's just that I have to sort everything out. Different companies, different kinds of income, overlapping realms....it drives me crazy every year.

28 opnion  4/15/08 3:32:36 am reply quote

re: #18 BlueCanuck

Probably some leftist, liberal, socialist politician. *sigh*

/don't really mind paying taxes some times but why must they waste my money most of the time?

Oh , but the US government gives research grants with tax payer money.
Some years ago a group at the U of W , Madison got one and concluded that , you ready?'Children would be less likely to fall off of a tricycle if it had another wheel."
Genius!

29 galloping granny  4/15/08 3:33:39 am reply quote

re: #26 savage_nation

Well, I want to get a MiniDVD recorder. Remember, I have a ton of vids to take of the upcoming granddaughter so yeah, it will be nice to have that extra cash....

Anyone know a good brand?

We got the kiddo one for Christmas. I don't see it here right this second. but I'm fairly sure it is a Canon.

30 goddessoftheclassroom  4/15/08 3:33:41 am reply quote

re: #27 zombie

Yet another reason I admire you.

31 galloping granny  4/15/08 3:34:44 am reply quote

re: #27 zombie

That's one of the problems! They aren't made out to "zombie."

I really do wear a lot of different hats. And have a lot of "identities." And legal structures. But being the ridiculously honest person that I am, I pay taxes on everything I ought to. It's just that I have to sort everything out. Different companies, different kinds of income, overlapping realms....it drives me crazy every year.

Maybe you should start next year's taxes tomorrow. How about an accounting program?

32 zombie  4/15/08 3:35:00 am reply quote

re: #24 galloping granny

Oh he is VERY serious. And stupendously simple. I've had to do my sister's taxes for the last 30 years - usually at 9:30 pm on the last possible day. Last year we turned her on to doing them by computer and you would think she's been doing them for years. Only takes her about a half an hour. Her computer skills extend to IM and email.

That's insane. It takes me over four hours just to disentangle the phone bills. Which is about 1% of the paperwork.

33 rightside  4/15/08 3:37:23 am reply quote

Morning Lizards!

34 goddessoftheclassroom  4/15/08 3:37:27 am reply quote

Got to run off now. May all untangling go well,

35 galloping granny  4/15/08 3:37:40 am reply quote

re: #32 zombie

That's insane. It takes me over four hours just to disentangle the phone bills. Which is about 1% of the paperwork.

I intend no snarkiness, but if you acquire a good accounting program you can do that bit by bit over the year. Better, some of them even interface with Turbo Tax so "untangling" is as easy as pushing the Import button.

36 opnion  4/15/08 3:38:06 am reply quote

Just asking, did any more gems come out by Barry Obama overnight?
Oh wait,I dropped my Bible & guns on an Immigrant. Damn!

37 zombie  4/15/08 3:38:56 am reply quote

re: #31 galloping granny

Maybe you should start next year's taxes tomorrow. How about an accounting program?

Like I said, filling out the forms is the last step, and takes just a short time. The stuff that takes forever is extracting data from documentation -- the kind of thing that a computer program can't do. Nor can I hire anyone, because then they'd know some of my other identities -- unacceptable!

No, only I can do it, and in all these years I've never been able to streamline it.

38 savage_nation[deleted]  4/15/08 3:39:02 am
39 galloping granny  4/15/08 3:39:09 am reply quote

re: #32 zombie

That's insane. It takes me over four hours just to disentangle the phone bills. Which is about 1% of the paperwork.

BTW, my sis is a traveling health professional. She has to account for all kinds of travel, housing, per diems, extra deductions and so on, usually for 3 or 4 different states a year.

40 galloping granny  4/15/08 3:40:04 am reply quote

re: #37 zombie

Like I said, filling out the forms is the last step, and takes just a short time. The stuff that takes forever is extracting data from documentation -- the kind of thing that a computer program can't do. Nor can I hire anyone, because then they'd know some of my other identities -- unacceptable!

No, only I can do it, and in all these years I've never been able to streamline it.

Zombie, a decent accounting program will do all that organization and extraction of data for you.

41 formercorpsman  4/15/08 3:40:49 am reply quote

Mom, do I have to go to work today?

42 BabbaZee  4/15/08 3:41:00 am reply quote

Zombie !
WTH are you doing up so early?

43 storagemanager  4/15/08 3:41:14 am reply quote

re: #35 galloping granny
Being in Property management..everything is on P.C....tax time..just print.

44 BlueCanuck  4/15/08 3:42:01 am reply quote

re: #28 opnion

Gah, studies, studies, studies. I fear that common sense has been lost. Like I tell all my friends about the rise in childhood asthma cases over the past 20-30 years. People are terrified of germs and bacteria. So all these cleaning products claiming to kill 99.9% of bugs is good. So children living in hyper clean enviroments rarely get the chance to develop the proper immunities to everything.

/we ate dirt and we liked it. :)

46 markie  4/15/08 3:43:11 am reply quote

We only have 2 sources of income in my house, so we filed online again this year. Refund's been spent for 2 months. On the down side, I keep hearing online filing will not continue.

47 BlueCanuck  4/15/08 3:43:22 am reply quote

re: #42 BabbaZee

I blame the WalMart discussion on the dead thread. :)

/zombie has never been in side of one at all.

48 BabbaZee  4/15/08 3:43:57 am reply quote

Welcome to 'Lawfare' - A New Type of Jihad


The Islamist movement has two wings –
one violent and one lawful, which can operate apart but often reinforce each other. While the violent arm attempts to silence speech by burning cars when cartoons of Mohammed are published in Denmark, the lawful arm is skillfully maneuvering within Western legal systems, both here and abroad.

Islamists with financial means have launched a "legal Jihad," filing frivolous and malicious lawsuits with the aim of abolishing public discourse critical of Islam and with the goal of establishing principles of Sharia law (strict Islamic law dating back to the 9th Century) as the governing political and legal authority in the West.

Islamist Lawfare is often predatory, filed without a serious expectation of winning, and undertaken as a means to intimidate, demoralize and bankrupt defendants. The lawsuits range in their claims from defamation to workplace harassment and they have resulted in books being pulped and meritorious articles going unpublished.

Forum shopping, whereby Plaintiffs bring actions in jurisdictions most likely to rule in their favor, has enabled a wave of "libel tourism." At the time of her death in 2006, noted Italian author Orianna Fallaci was being sued in France, Italy, Switzerland and other jurisdictions by groups dedicated to preventing the dissemination of her work.

Libel Tourism has also resulted in foreign judgments against American authors mandating the regulation of their speech and behavior. The litany of American anti-Islamist researchers, authors, activists, publishers, congressman, newspapers, television news stations, think tanks, NGOs, reporters, student journals and others targeted for censorship is long and merits brief mentioning here.

One of the earliest cases in the US dates back to 1937, where in Birmington, Alabama, an Arab Sheik sued the Birmington Post for libel over an article entitled "Arabian Sheik Asks Friend Here to Buy him an American Girl for Harem." The Post reported that Sheik Fareed Iman, "who is 29 years old and fears he may reach 30 before he obtains a chief-wife for his four-wife harem, is ready to purchase a suitable girl from her parents. The lucky girl", the article continued, "will benefit from the traditional Arabian protective treatment of women but she can't be seen by those who are not members of the household."

[SNIP]

49 galloping granny  4/15/08 3:44:16 am reply quote

One of our fellow lizards has started a blog at [Link: justatypicalwhiteperson.blogspot.com...]

You'll find a very revealing article there about the women in Obama's life.

50 opnion  4/15/08 3:44:28 am reply quote

re: #44 BlueCanuck

Gah, studies, studies, studies. I fear that common sense has been lost. Like I tell all my friends about the rise in childhood asthma cases over the past 20-30 years. People are terrified of germs and bacteria. So all these cleaning products claiming to kill 99.9% of bugs is good. So children living in hyper clean enviroments rarely get the chance to develop the proper immunities to everything.

/we ate dirt and we liked it. :)

That actually is a real problem.It sounds counter intuitive, but it"s not

51 michigan tom  4/15/08 3:44:40 am reply quote

Happy Holidays!
Bow down to your master(Government) and repent(give them your money).

52 rightside  4/15/08 3:45:13 am reply quote

re: #45 BabbaZee

WooHoo! I'm at home and can watch your youtube links now! lol

53 BabbaZee  4/15/08 3:45:23 am reply quote

re: #47 BlueCanuck

I blame the WalMart discussion on the dead thread. :)

/zombie has never been in side of one at all.

I haven't read anything yet, I missed it.
I have only been in Walmart twice myself!

/ducks

54 BabbaZee  4/15/08 3:45:40 am reply quote

re: #52 rightside

That one was for audio only LOL

55 galloping granny  4/15/08 3:45:53 am reply quote

re: #38 savage_nation

I've been looking at Canon and also Nikon.

I also want to get a digital camera with a nice telephoto lens. I seem to see lots of animals out here that I cant get close enough to get off a good shot. There is a prairiedog town right across the street from where I delivered yesterday. Little buggers saw me getting too close and the popped down underground. grrr

One of my girls is a photographer. She has a Nikon for her big camera. And a baby Canon for the one that fits in the purse.

56 BabbaZee  4/15/08 3:46:23 am reply quote

re: #49 galloping granny

whose blog is it?

57 BlueCanuck  4/15/08 3:46:38 am reply quote

re: #50 opnion

Yeah, I know. By wallowing in dirt it gives very young childrens immune systems to build the necessary antibodies to survive the rest of their lives. DIRT IS GOOD FOR YOU!

59 BabbaZee  4/15/08 3:47:38 am reply quote

BBL

60 zombie  4/15/08 3:47:45 am reply quote

re: #35 galloping granny

I intend no snarkiness, but if you acquire a good accounting program you can do that bit by bit over the year. Better, some of them even interface with Turbo Tax so "untangling" is as easy as pushing the Import button.

No no, maybe I didn't make myself clear.

Without revealing too much about myself, and alterating a few details to protect the guilty, imagine this scenario:

You have two incorporated companies you run; also an LLC; and also have regular personal income taxes, derived from all sorts of bizarre sources. You are able to deduct applicable phone bill charges, some of which are worth adding up due to their size.

Problem is, there are over a hundred long-distance calls on each bill, for 12 months, and you have to figure out: which are business-related, which are personal income-generating-related, and which are not associated with taxable income at all. You also can divvy up the monthly overall fees and deduct them as well. And you have two phone lines and a cell phone, with a different carrier. And so forth.

No way a computer program could be of any help in that situation. Only I know, from looking at it, "Oh, this three-hour call to Iceland was for this purpose, and needs to be deducted from this column..."

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

I got paperwork coming out of my ears.

61 formercorpsman  4/15/08 3:48:22 am reply quote

re: #49 galloping granny

Just did.

Pretty interesting.

62 markie  4/15/08 3:48:43 am reply quote

I still think we were all a lot healthier when we immunized ourselves as kids, picking up food under the 5 second rule et cetera.

63 zombie  4/15/08 3:49:09 am reply quote

re: #42 BabbaZee

Zombie !
WTH are you doing up so early?

Early? You mean late! I haven't gone to sleep yet.

64 savage_nation[deleted]  4/15/08 3:50:48 am
65 zombie  4/15/08 3:53:41 am reply quote

However, I can't concentrate on these taxes any more!

I will go to "zombie sleep" now and begin afresh in the morning!

66 BlueCanuck  4/15/08 3:53:49 am reply quote

re: #64 savage_nation

Well there's dirt, then there's filth. :p

67 galloping granny  4/15/08 3:54:49 am reply quote

re: #44 BlueCanuck

Gah, studies, studies, studies. I fear that common sense has been lost. Like I tell all my friends about the rise in childhood asthma cases over the past 20-30 years. People are terrified of germs and bacteria. So all these cleaning products claiming to kill 99.9% of bugs is good. So children living in hyper clean enviroments rarely get the chance to develop the proper immunities to everything.

/we ate dirt and we liked it. :)

Asthma is the least of it. We have long known the THE single unifying factor we can pin down about MS is that the people who eventually suffer from MS were virtually all raised in a much-too-clean environment.

Something else: MOST of the bacteria that live on you, in you or around you are NOT harmful. We call them "beneficials." The beneficial bacteria that live on/in you are the ones that keep the harmful bacteria from overwhelming you.

68 storagemanager  4/15/08 3:54:52 am reply quote

Two car bombs alreasy in Iraq...gona be a long day.

69 BlueCanuck  4/15/08 3:56:46 am reply quote

re: #67 galloping granny

Yeah, like I said for some reason we traded in common sense for hysteria about germs.

70 storagemanager  4/15/08 3:56:48 am reply quote
BAGHDAD (AP) - Iraqi police say at least 14 people have been killed in a car bombing in the former insurgent stronghold of Ramadi.
Police Lt. Col. Jubair al-Dulaimi says the attack occurred outside a kebab restaurant around lunchtime west of the city center.

Ramadi is the capital of Anbar province. The area has seen a sharp decline in violence in recent months as tribal leaders have joined forces with the Americans against al-Qaida in Iraq.

......................

BAGHDAD (AP) - Iraqi police say a car bomb that exploded in Baqouba killed at least 30 people and wounded dozens of others.
A police officer says the explosives-laden car was parked near a restaurant across the street from the courthouse and provincial government offices in the city center. It exploded just before noon, when the area is crowded with people visiting government offices and eating lunch at the restaurant.

The officer is in the Diyala provincial police command but spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to release the information.

He says the toll of 30 people killed could rise and that more than 40 people also were wounded in Tuesday's blast

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

71 opnion  4/15/08 3:57:53 am reply quote

Now that the tax Jihad is coming to a close for this year , remember that people like Obama think that we are under taxed.
Warren Buffet is scandalized that his secretary pays so much in tax based on what he pays her.
Yo Warren, pay her more & she can find a loophole.
His solution though is for all of us to pay more.

72 galloping granny  4/15/08 3:58:18 am reply quote

re: #60 zombie

No no, maybe I didn't make myself clear.

Without revealing too much about myself, and alterating a few details to protect the guilty, imagine this scenario:

You have two incorporated companies you run; also an LLC; and also have regular personal income taxes, derived from all sorts of bizarre sources. You are able to deduct applicable phone bill charges, some of which are worth adding up due to their size.

Problem is, there are over a hundred long-distance calls on each bill, for 12 months, and you have to figure out: which are business-related, which are personal income-generating-related, and which are not associated with taxable income at all. You also can divvy up the monthly overall fees and deduct them as well. And you have two phone lines and a cell phone, with a different carrier. And so forth.

No way a computer program could be of any help in that situation. Only I know, from looking at it, "Oh, this three-hour call to Iceland was for this purpose, and needs to be deducted from this column..."

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

I got paperwork coming out of my ears.

I do understand that zombie. You need a good accounting system. You might start to solve things by getting Vonage and a bunch of spare lines, since an extra Vonage number adds only $5.95 or so a month to your bill. Use a different line for each purpose and the accounting problem is solved. Nobody accounts for stuff by the one phone call. The ROI timewise is in the negative numbers.

Consider seeing a real accountant to help you set up a decent system. Properly set up, with a few minutes a day of installing various receipts & expenses where they go, you too can accomplish your taxes with the push of a button.

73 BlueCanuck  4/15/08 3:59:31 am reply quote

re: #68 storagemanager

Some one make the bad men stop please?

74 galloping granny  4/15/08 3:59:42 am reply quote

re: #56 BabbaZee

whose blog is it?

I am sworn not to tell.

75 Bubblehead II  4/15/08 4:00:07 am reply quote

Morning Lizards.

'Hamas planning another border breach'

The killing of Egyptian soldiers with live ammunition has been sanctioned by Muslim clerics in a special fatwa issued by Hamas on Friday, the report said.

And Jimmy the dhimmi will blame it on Israel because they will not meet with him.

76 savage_nation[deleted]  4/15/08 4:00:16 am
77 opnion  4/15/08 4:01:16 am reply quote

The most feared agency of the Federal Government by the common person is the IRS.
It is often used as an instrument of intimidation & has often ruined honorable people.
I know that we have to fund the government, but the IRS is too often misused.

78 Lucius Septimius  4/15/08 4:01:33 am reply quote

Good Morning, all. 38 degrees in the predawn gloom as I can feel the vampire bat known as the Federal Government sucking the life out of me. That said, we'll be getting a healthy refund, which only means I've been giving the gov't an interest-free loan all year.

When the government views the wealth of the citizens as a capital asset of the state, liberty is lost.

79 BabbaZee  4/15/08 4:02:14 am reply quote

re: #63 zombie

Early? You mean late! I haven't gone to sleep yet.

Poor Zombie!

80 BabbaZee  4/15/08 4:02:39 am reply quote

re: #74 galloping granny

I am sworn not to tell.

Oh well.

81 Lucius Septimius  4/15/08 4:03:21 am reply quote

re: #77 opnion

One of my former students now works as an attorney for the IRS. I saw her shortly after she took the job -- her comment was "yep, now I'm 'The Man.'"

This spoken by a little Indian girl who is barely five feet tall and can't way more than 90 pounds soaking wet.

82 storagemanager  4/15/08 4:03:25 am reply quote

re: #73 BlueCanuck

Some one make the bad men stop please?

I don't think that is possible now.

83 Lucius Septimius  4/15/08 4:03:55 am reply quote

re: #79 BabbaZee

Poor Zombie!

"curse Sir Walter Ralegh he was such a stupid git"

One of the best lines ever.

84 galloping granny  4/15/08 4:04:26 am reply quote

re: #77 opnion

The most feared agency of the Federal Government by the common person is the IRS.
It is often used as an instrument of intimidation & has often ruined honorable people.
I know that we have to fund the government, but the IRS is too often misused.

And yet, we are lucky. I had a Canadian friend a few years back who got into a dispute with their IRS over the way he had calculated things. (Self employed.) They slapped him with a huge bill and made him sell the house he had owned for 30 years to pay the bill before they would hear an appeal. Ruined his business, took his home, he ended up living in a single room. And then he won the appeal. He got his money back, but of course not his house and not his business either. No extra for that.

85 BabbaZee  4/15/08 4:06:08 am reply quote

re: #83 Lucius Septimius

"curse Sir Walter Ralegh he was such a stupid git"

One of the best lines ever.

LOL! I love that line too!

86 BabbaZee  4/15/08 4:09:20 am reply quote

Europe or Eurabia?
by Daniel Pipes

The future of Europe is in play. Will it turn into "Eurabia," a part of the Muslim world? Will it remain the distinct cultural unit it has been over the last millennium? Or might there be some creative synthesis of the two civilizations?

The answer has vast importance. Europe may constitute a mere 7 percent of the world's landmass but for five hundred years, 1450-1950, for good and ill, it was the global engine of change. How it develops in the future will affect all humanity, and especially daughter countries such as Australia which still retain close and important ties to the old continent.

I foresee potentially one of three paths for Europe: Muslims dominating, Muslims rejected, or harmonious integration.

(1) Muslim domination strikes some analysts as inevitable. Oriana Fallaci found that "Europe becomes more and more a province of Islam, a colony of Islam." Mark Steyn argues that much of the Western world "will not survive the twenty-first century, and much of it will effectively disappear within our lifetimes, including many if not most European countries." Such authors point to three factors leading to Europe's Islamization: faith, demography, and a sense of heritage.

The secularism that predominates in Europe, especially among its elites, leads to alienation about the Judeo-Christian tradition, empty church pews, and a fascination with Islam. In complete contrast, Muslims display a religious fervor that translates into jihadi sensibility, a supremacism toward non-Muslims, and an expectation that Europe is waiting for conversion to Islam.


[HASAN CHOP!]

87 storagemanager  4/15/08 4:09:35 am reply quote
Wild horses won't drag him away.
Jimmy Carter stands alone... He's going to meet Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal and he doesn't really care what anyone thinks.

Condi Rice told him not to do it-- Not to meet Hamas.
Even fellow self-appointed Elder Kofi Annan decided to not to join Jimmy Carter in his meeting with Hamas.
The Elders released this announcement:


April 8th, 2008

The Elders have been exploring ways that they can contribute to peace and to the world’s understanding of the complex issues involved in the Middle East conflict.

They had planned a visit to the region in April to meet and listen to representatives from government, civil society, business and the public in Israel, the Palestinian territories, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Saudi Arabia. The Elders will continue consultations with key leaders in the region and outside with the purpose of developing a comprehensive report, but have decided to postpone their visit

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

88 BlueCanuck  4/15/08 4:09:40 am reply quote

re: #84 galloping granny

IRS in Canada is the Canadian Revenue Agency. Yeah that story sounds rough, and I have heard of similar stories from the U.S.A. I think the problem is that the tax codes have become so convoluted that the governments can do what ever they want it seems. When you need an accountant, a TAX lawyer, etc. things have become a problem.

89 Lucius Septimius  4/15/08 4:10:18 am reply quote

re: #85 BabbaZee

LOL! I love that line too!

And how are you doing today, your Spleenlessness?

90 ploome hineni  4/15/08 4:11:10 am reply quote

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Mashaal Praises ‘Palestinian Reproductive Machine’

(IsraelNN.com) Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal made a speech in favor of the “Palestinian reproductive machine” at his daughter Fatima’s wedding over the weekend. The “machine” is constantly active, Mashaal said. He told his daughter and son-in-law that their children would one day live in the “48 territories,” that is, within Israel’s 1948 borders.
Mashaal took time from his speech to thank Syria for allowing him, Islamic Jihad head Ramadan Shallah, and other senior terrorists to live in Damascus. “We realize the pressures on Syria for housing Mashaal and Shallah,” he said. Shallah attended the wedding, as did PFLP head Mahir at-Tahir, Iranian ambassador Ahmed al-Musawi, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem, and other Arab and Muslim diplomats.

SO WHY DON;T WE ENCOURAGE MORE FUCKING SAUDIS TO COME TO USA?

INCREASE MUSLIM IMMIGRATION

NOW

/spit

91 BabbaZee  4/15/08 4:11:13 am reply quote

Islam and the Evolution of Europe's Far Right

What is to account for the success of Europe's Far Right? The attention the news media have devoted to the story of Islam in Europe has never been greater. And displeasure over concessions granted to Europe's Muslims, fear and loathing of Shari‘a (Islamic) law — and fears that Europe, in the rush to embrace the Other, may lose herself — appear to be driving the continent's electoral agenda.

These concerns have sprung from items as ridiculous as Fortis Bank's decision to do away with pig mascot Knorbert (for fear of offending Muslims) to the Archbishop of Canterbury's declaration that adoption of elements of Shari‘a law in the UK "seems unavoidable" — and would, in fact, be a great help to maintain social cohesion. In any case, it appears that a growing number are sufficiently discouraged by the imposition of the multicultural gag to take Europe's latest war of religion to the voting booth.

It is also the case, for many, that the persons who best speak to the continent's concerns are not those moderate (or secular) Muslims who talk of assimilation, but the leading lights of Europe's Far Right — and the growing host of Muslim-baiters who sit in public office.

[Muslimbaition? SNIP!]

92 BlueCanuck  4/15/08 4:11:48 am reply quote

re: #86 BabbaZee

Read "Caliphate" it takes the first hypothesis and runs with it. Scared the hell out of me and I know most of what's going on already.

/note to self. get book report done.

93 BabbaZee  4/15/08 4:13:44 am reply quote

re: #89 Lucius Septimius

How I am
is irrelevant to the task at hand....

(this is what I say whenever I feel like crap, lol)

94 storagemanager  4/15/08 4:14:11 am reply quote

Why can't the dang coffee make itself?

95 Bubblehead II  4/15/08 4:14:20 am reply quote

Hizbullah: We'll take fight to Israel's backyard

"I don't mean that we will initiate the war," stressed the Hizbullah official, "but any war that they launch in the future will turn into what regular armies call 'an offensive war.'

That would be interesting. Any "offensive" war the Arabs ever tried against Israel ended with their asses getting tromped.

96 BabbaZee  4/15/08 4:14:34 am reply quote

re: #92 BlueCanuck

Read "Caliphate" it takes the first hypothesis and runs with it. Scared the hell out of me and I know most of what's going on already.

/note to self. get book report done.

I don't need to read it
I have been running with the hypothesis for the last 7 years....

wah

That can be my Indian name

Runs with Hypothesis!

97 BabbaZee  4/15/08 4:15:05 am reply quote

re: #94 storagemanager

Isn't that what your wife is for?

/ducks again

98 BabbaZee  4/15/08 4:15:43 am reply quote

re: #90 ploome hineni

They have increased the Saudi student visas EVERY YEAR since 9/11.

EVERY YEAR

99 Lucius Septimius  4/15/08 4:18:50 am reply quote

re: #90 ploome hineni

SO WHY DON;T WE ENCOURAGE MORE FUCKING SAUDIS TO COME TO USA?

Only if we can convince them to stop doing the effing part.

100 Bubblehead II  4/15/08 4:19:07 am reply quote

Well time to check out. Work calls. But on the bright side it's Friday.

Have a good day Lizards.

L8R

101 Lucius Septimius  4/15/08 4:19:13 am reply quote

re: #94 storagemanager

Why can't the dang coffee make itself?

In Obama's America it will!

102 savage_nation[deleted]  4/15/08 4:19:25 am
103 Lucius Septimius  4/15/08 4:19:50 am reply quote

re: #93 BabbaZee

How I am
is irrelevant to the task at hand....

(this is what I say whenever I feel like crap, lol)

It's always relevant, even if not to the task at hand. Feel better.

104 storagemanager  4/15/08 4:19:53 am reply quote

re: #97 BabbaZee

Isn't that what your wife is for?

/ducks again


She sleeps..not sleepless like me ..lol