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Obama Would 'Immediately' Look Into Prosecuting Bush Officials

Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:55:08 am PDT

Yesterday Barack Obama told a Philadelphia reporter that if elected President, he would “immediately” ask his Attorney General to look into prosecuting former Bush officials for war crimes and torture: Obama would ask his AG to ‘immediately review’ potential of crimes in Bush White House.

“What I would want to do is to have my Justice Department and my Attorney General immediately review the information that’s already there and to find out are there inquiries that need to be pursued. I can’t prejudge that because we don’t have access to all the material right now. I think that you are right, if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated. You’re also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt because I think we’ve got too many problems we’ve got to solve.

So this is an area where I would want to exercise judgment — I would want to find out directly from my Attorney General — having pursued, having looked at what’s out there right now — are there possibilities of genuine crimes as opposed to really bad policies. And I think it’s important— one of the things we’ve got to figure out in our political culture generally is distinguishing betyween really dumb policies and policies that rise to the level of criminal activity. You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings and I’ve said that is not something I think would be fruitful to pursue because I think that impeachment is something that should be reserved for exceptional circumstances. Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law — and I think that’s roughly how I would look at it.”

He has to say this, whether it’s true or not. The “progressives” of the far left (CODEPINK, International ANSWER, Daily Kos, etc.) will want to be paid back for their messianic support, and they won’t be satisfied without promises of blood and circuses.

(Hat tip: Ethel.)

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1 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:56:11am

He's desperate for votes- he's trolling for the BDS sufferers.

2 Peacekeeper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:56:14am

I was going to say "Oh Brother" but that might be considered rqacist.

3 Gusbenz  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:56:32am

What an ass.

4 Peacekeeper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:56:59am

Constitution is nobody above the law — and I think that’s roughly how I would look at it.”

roughly?

5 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:57:39am
I think that you are right, if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated. You’re also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt

His answer is, once again, all things to all people.

6 Onslow  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:57:49am

Janet Reno might be up for the job, if she's finished defending Gitmo internees by then.

7 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:58:01am
I can’t prejudge that

....but I already have......

8 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:58:10am

Politics of revenge.

9 Peacekeeper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:58:11am

Right out of the playbook, take power and use it to make sure nobody ever challenges you gain, or as Babba says; " WHORES!"

10 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:58:11am

Gee, I wonder what type of individual Barack would have on board as his AG? Someone like a John Edwards perhaps?

Nah, this wouldn't be a partisan investigation at all...

11 jcm  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:58:28am

I've asked a few with BDS I know.

What crimes? What statute would you charge him under?

Never, ever, has anyone come up with an actual prosecutable crime.

12 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:58:32am

Once again, this is what happens when you have a far left politician (just how far to the Left; Marxist, socialist, communist, etc., depends on which of Obama's mentors you believe had the most effect on him) pushing an agenda that undermines US national security and attempts to undo security initiatives that have thus far prevented another mass casualty attack on the scale of 9/11 and disrupted plots all around the country.

It has also kept terrorists securely locked away at Gitmo, which Obama and Hillary and McCain would like to see closed despite the fact that none offer up any plans for what they'd do with the terrorists detained there.

13 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:58:36am
engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront

Has he been taking Don King elocution classes?

14 Peacekeeper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:59:01am

re: #5 Occasional Reader

His answer is, once again, all things to all people.

Actually, at the moment the witch is hunting him.

15 the jinxmedic  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:59:10am

Barrack will get to the Troof of it all!

16 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:59:34am

re: #14 Peacekeeper

Actually, at the moment the witch is hunting him.

Like in Soviet Russia!

17 Israel4ever  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:59:45am

off topic:

this actor left scientology and is bashing it like crazy - amazing stuff. He sounds a little nutty, but what can you expect. lol

on topic - Can I officially say that I hate Obama, and think he's a turd?

18 Peacekeeper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:59:53am

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Like in Soviet Russia!

DA!

19 littleoldlady  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:59:53am

"Immediately"? Even before I get my "Universal Health Care"?

/don't mess with my pie!

20 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:00:12am

Yep. This and more is what you can expect from an Obama administration.

I have an acid test for determining if a potential leader is a Third-wayer. If the potential leader has a decent sized cult of personality, he is a Third-wayer. All the prominent Third-wayers in history have had cults of personality: Hitler, Mussolini, Peron, Franco, etc. Stalin developed one after he turned more to the Third-way to get Russians to fight for the Motherland.

21 bunker buster  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:00:20am

If there were any doubts about Obamessiah being a raging moonbat, those should now be laid to rest.

22 EE  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:00:39am

BO would run America banana-republic-style, maybe like those countries where when one ruler comes into office, his predecessor and his predecessor's associates are all put into jail.

Start taking those Stalin-type and Lenin-type posters of Obama seriously. We may be in for a purge whose dimensions cannot even yet be imagined.

23 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:00:47am

re: #1 Sharmuta

He's desperate for votes- he's trolling for the BDS sufferers.

Is it that simple, or is the mask coming off? I think he's so self-confident that he feels he can move to the left (or into the Marxist stratosphere, really) and still be a viable candidate.

24 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:00:48am
“What I would want to do is to have my Justice Department and my Attorney General immediately review the information that’s already there and to find out are there inquiries that need to be pursued. I can’t prejudge that because we don’t have access to all the material right now. I think that you are right, if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated. You’re also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt because I think we’ve got too many problems we’ve got to solve.

Plus, they're... like... white, according to my spiritual advisors, they're the devil.

/

25 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:00:57am

Barack's change is revolution. And what do revolutionaries do with the previous government? Line them up against a wall and shoot them.
I hope when Obama loses he goes somewhere else, like Venezuela or Iran.

26 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:01:13am

"With knowledge foreplay, I will investimigate if there were multimedia infractional situations of the Constipitution, which, roughly speaking, is like, all legal n' stuff."

27 Golem Akbar  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:01:14am
28 Peacekeeper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:01:18am

This guy and his cult could really bring this country down...

29 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:01:21am

re: #11 jcm

Who needs an actionable crime - they will simply have independent prosecutors look and root about until they can nail someone for a perjury trap or cite 'em for obstruction of justice.

Never mind that no laws were broken in all of this, that detention of terrorists at GitMo is fully within the US constitution and federal law and regulations and under the President's power as commander in chief.

They will simply investigate because that's all that they know how to do.

30 Dave the.....  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:01:28am
I've asked a few with BDS I know.

What crimes? What statute would you charge him under?

Never, ever, has anyone come up with an actual prosecutable crime.

That's why I say to Barry O'bama..."go for it. Investigage all you want. I would love for our side to have our day in court. Let's settle this. It's like Dan Rather suing over the fake docs....bring it on."

And after two years of the crap, the Republicans will run in 2010 on change and may do quite well.

31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:01:46am

I'm wondering when he'll start promising a chicken in every pot, a car in every garage and everyone earning an above average income.

32 Shug  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:01:51am

How bitter of him

33 reggie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:01:54am

Feh. Somehow this one doesn't bug me so much. For trying not to lose the BDS vote (like they have anywhere else to go) but still disinterested in actually staging the witch hunt, then this isn't a bad answer. Everyone gets to read into it what they want to. He gets to say later that his AG looked and only found bad policies but no criminal behavior, then move on.

Of course, the rest of humanity gets to see him still entertaining the notion, and justly call him a crackpot.

34 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:02:15am

They're guilty of being Republicans! Arrest them!

35 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:02:17am

And if they investigate and find that Bush was justified in everything he did?

All primary election BS for his nutty base.

Listen, this is meaningless.

Bush isn't going anywhere.

Bush / Cheney to Attempt Possible Coup

36 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:02:26am

re: #22 EE

BO would run America banana-republic-style, maybe like those countries where when one ruler comes into office, his predecessor and his predecessor's associates are all put into jail.

Start taking those Stalin-type and Lenin-type posters of Obama seriously. We may be in for a purge whose dimensions cannot even yet be imagined.

I have, and I do. Obama's cult of personality would make Mussolini proud. Oddly enough, that's the best anology I can find for Obama.

/Remember, Mussolini was a socialist to the end.

37 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:02:38am
I would want to find out directly from my Attorney General

Gosh, I wonder who he's got on tap for Attorney General.

Ramsey Clark would be my best guess.

38 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:02:41am
Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law — and I think that’s roughly how I would look at it.

So....he would have voted to convict clinton if he'd been in the Senate back then?

39 Derek  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:02:50am

Interesting.

I was just thinking that Bush should 'immediately' look into prosecuting treason charges for Democrat official's.

40 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:02:53am

re: #23 incanus

Is it that simple, or is the mask coming off? I think he's so self-confident that he feels he can move to the left (or into the Marxist stratosphere, really) and still be a viable candidate.

The MSM has already crowned him; it's getting to his head.

41 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:02:55am

re: #9 Peacekeeper

Specifically speaking...
"COMMUNISLAMIST GRAMSCIAN WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE!"

42 BuddyG  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:03:13am

re: #11 jcm

I've asked a few with BDS I know.

What crimes? What statute would you charge him under?

Never, ever, has anyone come up with an actual prosecutable crime.


One of my moonbat co-workers says Bush should be charged for not granting Geneva convention rights to WoT detainees.
Oh, and Bush "lied" about WMDs.
Sigh...

43 Golem Akbar  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:03:26am

re: #30 Dave the.....

That's why I say to Barry O'bama..."go for it. Investigage all you want. I would love for our side to have our day in court. Let's settle this. It's like Dan Rather suing over the fake docs....bring it on."

And after two years of the crap, the Republicans will run in 2010 on change and may do quite well.


Maybe so, but I'd rather not have the 4 years of crap to go through. There can so much damage done in such a short amount of time.

44 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:03:28am

OT: Why I Let My 9-Year-Old Ride the Subway Alone

This is the same kind of moron as the woman hitchhiking to the middle east and trusting in strangers, except that she's risking her child's life instead of her worthless own.

45 rawmuse  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:03:29am

That would just be a start. The "Fairness Doctrine" would pass in to law. I could even see a scenario where Charles could be subpoenaed to reveal all of the registered users.

Forget the Surge, the next thing coming would be the Purge.

46 Sacred Plants  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:03:32am

Giuliani applying?

47 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:03:49am

re: #27 Golem Akbar

If those are internet polls, then I get the feeling it's an evolution (devolution!) of the Ron Paul Stacking Syndrome.

48 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:04:09am

re: #35 Ben Hur

Bush / Cheney to Attempt Possible Coup

They're going to attempt a possible coup? That sounds pretty half-hearted.

49 Dave the.....  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:04:35am

I think he can was able to get along by only saying "hope" "Change" "hope" "Change" so many times. Now with nonstop media, including the oposition, on him and he and his wife talk everyday, things are coming out.

50 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:04:41am

re: #39 Derek

Interesting.

I was just thinking that Bush should 'immediately' look into prosecuting treason charges for Democrat official's.

I wish. sigh.

We'll see how far Barack Hussein Obamolini gets with this.

51 Peacekeeper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:04:44am

Out of bitterness they cling to guns and religion. legalism and obfuscation.

Years of unending special prosecution by the finest Marxist idealogue attorneys he can find. Feh.

52 Tumulus11  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:04:49am

. The information will be reviewed by Attorney General Wright .

53 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:04:56am

re: #11 jcm

I've asked a few with BDS I know.

What crimes? What statute would you charge him under?

Never, ever, has anyone come up with an actual prosecutable crime.

He's white.

He's "rich" (read, he's got money and he's not a Democrat).

He's a Republican.

Last but not least, HE STOLE THE ELECTION FROM ALGORE.

Sure, sure ... you say, "These aren't crimes now! Whaddya talking about." Patience darlin, patience ...

54 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:05:07am

re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm wondering when he'll start promising a chicken in every pot, a car in every garage and everyone earning an above average income.

Being a math major, I find that part funny.

Of course, I don't have a degree in electrical engineering.

55 Peacekeeper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:05:15am

re: #41 laZardo

Specifically speaking...
"COMMUNISLAMIST GRAMSCIAN WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE!"

Say it don't spray it.

56 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:05:16am

When was the last time a Republican President was not accused of plotting a coup to stay in office after his term ended?

57 mean Gene  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:05:19am

McCain might pull off a 46 or 47 state rout.
These two dems are pulling so far to the Left moonbat range that there's not going to be time to re-center themselves for the general election.
heh.

58 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:05:31am
59 Shug  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:06:10am

Obama's modified Dean Strategy

guns
god
Gays

60 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:06:15am

re: #46 Sacred Plants

Giuliani applying?

As McCain's AG perhaps.

61 solomonpanting  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:06:24am
You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings and I’ve said that is not something I think would be fruitful to pursue

"BUT..."

62 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:06:28am

re: #23 incanus

Is it that simple, or is the mask coming off? I think he's so self-confident that he feels he can move to the left (or into the Marxist stratosphere, really) and still be a viable candidate.

Sure- who's going to stop him? The other marxist he's running against?

Seriously- we all know the dems want revenge. What better way to pander for their vote than to promise them red meat?

63 rw in san diego  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:06:29am

re: #12 lawhawk


It has also kept terrorists securely locked away at Gitmo, which Obama and Hillary and McCain would like to see closed despite the fact that none offer up any plans for what they'd do with the terrorists detained there.


You'd think that would be an important question which should have been asked during the debates.

64 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:06:36am

Any of you McCain haters still planning on staying home on election day?

65 jcm  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:06:37am

re: #29 lawhawk

Who needs an actionable crime - they will simply have independent prosecutors look and root about until they can nail someone for a perjury trap or cite 'em for obstruction of justice.

Never mind that no laws were broken in all of this, that detention of terrorists at GitMo is fully within the US constitution and federal law and regulations and under the President's power as commander in chief.

They will simply investigate because that's all that they know how to do.

Don't you know it.

I've love leading those BDS around. It only takes about 60 seconds before the just start screaming "HE LIED HE LIED." Then they'll bring up BJ. I tell 'em he just didn't lie he committed a crime which people go to jail for PERJURY, and he got disbarred for it.

They're so easy to mess with.

66 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:06:53am
He has to say this, whether it’s true or not. CODEPINK and International ANSWER and Daily Kos are going to want some payback for their messianic support, and they won’t be satisfied without blood.

I just found out: BEACH IMPEACH V -- yes, that's five -- has just been scheduled!

I so want them to succeed! Can you imagine how disastrous an impeachment trial would be for the Democrats, held right in the heat of a presidential election cycle? The vote would come probably in late October...

McCain 62 - Obama 31, if that happens.

Come on, impeachment movement, we're rooting for you!

You might even succeed in shortening the Bush administration by a week or so!

Then President Cheney can bomb Iran and grant pre-emptive presidential pardons to all his cronies during his one-week tenure.

67 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:07:01am

re: #38 Sharmuta

So....he would have voted to convict clinton if he'd been in the Senate back then?

I was going to say "of course not, he's a Democrat", but he really seems to have a hard on for the Clintons.

68 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:07:04am

re: #42 BuddyG

One of my moonbat co-workers says Bush should be charged for not granting Geneva convention rights to WoT detainees.
Oh, and Bush "lied" about WMDs.
Sigh...

You know, I've heard alot of people say that, but none of them can describe WHY they qualify for Geneva convention rights, especially when I explain the 'they dont wear a uniform, they target civilians and they execute captured prisoners' bit of the Convention.

But they still insist that they qualify.

Same with the lies. You point out that President Bush never actually said that they had nukes, just that they were seeking nukes... that doesn't seem to matter.

69 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:07:05am

re: #57 mean Gene

McCain might pull off a 46 or 47 state rout.
These two dems are pulling so far to the Left moonbat range that there's not going to be time to re-center themselves for the general election.
heh.

Not a chance... Electorally, this is going to be something like 290-250.

70 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:07:17am

10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't) -

1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.

2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."

3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.

4. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."

5. The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.

6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.

7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."

8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.

9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."

10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.

Just so you know what to expect from the LLLs.

71 Sacred Plants  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:07:43am

re: #60 tfc3rid

Also under a VP McCain?

72 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:07:53am

re: #47 laZardo

If those are internet polls, then I get the feeling it's an evolution (devolution!) of the Ron Paul Stacking Syndrome.

The Obamolini cult of personality is to the Ron Paul cult of personality what the Catholic Church is to the Egyptian Copts. It's magnitudes bigger.

73 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:07:53am
You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings and I’ve said that is not something I think would be fruitful to pursue

After being urged to reconsider, Obama has just now announced that his first act as President will be to immediately look into impeaching President Bush.

74 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:08:03am

re: #57 mean Gene

Don't believe that for a moment. This will still be a very close election. Even though the conventions are a couple of months away. There is more than enough time for both candidates to tack to the center, because the media will choose not to highlight all the hypocritical changes made to win the election at any costs and all the lies and misrepresentations needed for the Democrats to bamboozle their way into office.

75 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:08:18am
76 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:08:45am

re: #56 JamesTKirk

When was the last time a Republican President was not accused of plotting a coup to stay in office after his term ended?

Abraham Lincoln?

77 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:08:57am

he may have to say that, but I also think he wholeheartedly agrees with it...

78 Golem Akbar  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:09:01am

re: #47 laZardo

If those are internet polls, then I get the feeling it's an evolution (devolution!) of the Ron Paul Stacking Syndrome.


It's some kind of scheme like on-line gambling, I think. It's really just odds-makers taking bets on futures, or something like that. The funny thing is that it really does reflect, on some level, what people are thinking will be the outcome. Of course, outcomes are really tricky. They either come true or don't, so in reality, the odds are actually just 50-50.

I find the web site fun, but not really to be taken any more seriously than any of the other polls.

79 derek  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:09:07am

re: #50 Honorary Yooper

Depressing, isn't it?

If Obama wins the nomination and steamrolls McCain, I hope Bush just says "fuck it", and drops fifty tonnes of ordnance on Iran and Syria - just before he leaves office.

There ya go, Obama.

Have fun with it.

80 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:09:14am

Wow, Charles, my mouse accidentally passed over the news links (for the "Elections" category) in the right sidebar, and the little pop-up preview windows now contain photographs! Amazingly schnazzy looking! I never noticed that before.

81 Lively  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:09:22am

re: #44 JamesTKirk

OT: Why I Let My 9-Year-Old Ride the Subway Alone

.

No, I did not give him a cell phone. Didn’t want to lose it.

So the parent doesn't want to lose the cell phone. Wow.

/probably voting Obama, too.

82 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:09:33am

re: #65 jcm

It only takes about 60 seconds before the just start screaming "HE LIED HE LIED."

And they then start angrily demanding that you recognize that "I have a right to my opinion." Because, you see, by disagreeing with them, and making them think uncomfortable thoughts about their own cognitive dissonance, you were threatening their free speech rights...

83 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:09:35am

re: #76 incanus

Abraham Lincoln?

That's only because he was assassinated...

84 Sacred Plants  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:10:01am

re: #76 incanus

Last instance of President and Vice President coming from different parties.

85 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:10:32am

re: #26 Occasional Reader

"With knowledge foreplay, I will investimigate if there were multimedia infractional situations of the Constipitution, which, roughly speaking, is like, all legal n' stuff."

Now I know who he reminds me of! Oswald Bates!

86 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:10:32am

re: #83 tfc3rid

That's only because he was assassinated...

I think if you asked around, you may find a sizeable number of democrats who would say (off the record and under their breath) that assassination is how most republicans should end their political career.

87 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:10:40am

I don't believe polls for the life of me... I mean there is a Marist College poll for NY, showing McCain over Obama 48-47 from this past week...

I mean that is insane as I expect Obama to win NY by 30 points in November...

88 jcm  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:10:50am

re: #53 incanus

He's white.

He's "rich" (read, he's got money and he's not a Democrat).

He's a Republican.

Last but not least, HE STOLE THE ELECTION FROM ALGORE.

Sure, sure ... you say, "These aren't crimes now! Whaddya talking about." Patience darlin, patience ...

LOL!

I hate to say it but I bait 'em. When I'm feeling extra ornery I can usually have 'em screaming at me in less than a minute.

89 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:10:50am
10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't) -
...
2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."

Oh, boy, that cuts it: I'm camping out in front of my polling station, starting now. I want to be the first to vote for McCain!

90 Dave the.....  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:10:56am
1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.

I opposed that also (on the state level). To me it was about giving the government employees another paid day off. By me not getting my mail, how does that honor MLK? Some states, like Arizona, offered a deal. Lose a different day, like Columbus Day, in exchange for getting MLK day off from work. Gov't people said "no, we want more free time".

To college students in Wisc it meant they lost Easter Sunday with their parents. The UW system took away the day after Easter to in order to extend the winter break one more day (MOnday of MLK day). So if you lived 6 hours away, you had to leave early on Easter Sunday to get back to school.

91 Carl B  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:11:04am

Early OT, but related
Jewish Liberals to Launch A Counterpoint to AIPAC

Some of the country's most prominent Jewish liberals are forming a political action committee and lobbying group aimed at dislodging what they consider the excessive hold of neoconservatives and evangelical Christians on U.S. policy toward Israel.

The lobbying group will be known as J Street and the political action group as JStreetPAC. The executive director for both will be Jeremy Ben-Ami, a former domestic policy adviser in the Clinton White House.

[Alan] Solomont is a top fundraiser for the presidential campaign of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.),.). but the organizers include supporters and fundraisers for both Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y Many prominent figures in the American Jewish left, former lawmakers and U.S. government officials, and several prominent Israeli figures, as well as activists who have raised money for the Democracy Alliance and MoveOn.org, are also involved. Major liberal fundraisers have already committed to the venture, including Solomont, high-tech entrepreneur Davidi Gilo and former New York City corporation counsel Victor Kovner, a supporter of Clinton's presidential bid.

92 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:11:26am

re: #62 Sharmuta

Sure- who's going to stop him? The other marxist he's running against?

Seriously- we all know the dems want revenge. What better way to pander for their vote than to promise them red meat?

I know, it's sad. If we start electing politicians to punish their predecessors as opposed to righting their wrongs, we are indeed on the path to banana-republicandom.

93 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:11:45am

re: #81 Lively

So the parent doesn't want to lose the cell phone. Wow.

/probably voting Obama, too.

Lose the kid? Fine. Lose the cell phone? Bad.

I can't fathom how these people (for lack of a better word) "think".

94 sojerofgod  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:11:57am

Obama would be the first to start the purge, if elected. I am firmly convinced that man would start persecuting his political opponents at the first opportunity. After all, that is what Marx would have done!
Obama is not proud to be an American.
He wants to remake this country into a Euro style socialist republic. That's why he always talks about what the government is going to 'do' for the people.
Notice its never about what the government is going to do 'TO' the people.

95 cod_is_great  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:12:03am

One thing is certain. Obama will not be president after January 2013.

96 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:12:07am

re: #90 Dave the.....

Well, it's just EASTER... not like it is as important as MLK day.

What, are you one of those small town guns and god people?!

/

97 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:12:19am

re: #62 Sharmuta

Sure- who's going to stop him? The other marxist he's running against?

Seriously- we all know the dems want revenge. What better way to pander for their vote than to promise them red meat?

Hillary may be a Marxist, but I would further and consider Obama to be a Third-wayer. I find it interesting to compare and contrast Obama's campaign with those of other people in the past. Marxists tend to be more forthright in what they want to do. Third-wayers tend to be more about "Change" and "Hope" in their campaigns.

Obama is very much about "Change", "Hope", and the cult of personality.

98 Iron Fist  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:12:22am

re: #38 Sharmuta,

Of course not. Clinton is a Democrat. He gets a pass on Perjury. And on murder (remember Waco).

99 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:12:42am

re: #86 LanceKates

I think if you asked around, you may find a sizeable number of democrats who would say (off the record and under their breath) that assassination is how most republicans should end their political career.

"A statesman is a dead politician. Lord knows we need more statesmen."
-Bloom County

100 Maximu§  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:13:05am

The cards are on the table and its now obvious that anyone who supports Obama is a Stone Cold Raciest!

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

101 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:13:12am

Whelp, here's another one going the way of Lauren "I'd rather my children starve than another white person buy my album" Hill.

Alicia Keys: 'Gangsta Rap' Created to Convince Black People to Kill Each Other

NEW YORK — There's another side to Alicia Keys: conspiracy theorist.

The Grammy-winning singer-songwriter tells Blender magazine: "'Gangsta rap' was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other. 'Gangsta rap' didn't exist."

Keys, 27, said she's read several Black Panther autobiographies and wears a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck "to symbolize strength, power and killing 'em dead," according to an interview in the magazine's May issue, on newsstands Tuesday.

Another of her theories: The bicoastal feud between slain rappers Tupac Shakur and Notorious B.I.G. was fueled "by the government and the media, to stop another great black leader from existing."

Keys' AK-47 jewelry came as a surprise to her mother, who is quoted as telling Blender: "She wears what? That doesn't sound like Alicia." Keys' publicist, Theola Borden, said Keys was on vacation and unavailable for comment.

Though she's known for her romantic tunes, she told Blender that she wants to write more political songs. If black leaders such as the late Black Panther Huey Newton "had the outlets our musicians have today, it'd be global. I have to figure out a way to do it myself," she said.

The multiplatinum songstress behind the hits "Fallin"' and "No One" most recently had success with her latest CD, "As I Am," which sold millions.

102 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:13:16am

re: #91 Carl B

Early OT, but related
Jewish Liberals to Launch A Counterpoint to AIPAC

Better not show them this picture, then.

103 Shug  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:13:19am
Yesterday Barack Obama told a Philadelphia reporter that if elected President

OK, then I guess we need to prevent that from happening

There's a candidate named Barry O
Who's friends are mostly low
Reverend Wright and Michelle
Shot his chances to Hell
Now the superdelegates are startin' to go

104 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:13:29am

re: #90 Dave the.....

Stop clinging to your 'religion' and live in the Obama-World!

105 zmdavid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:13:43am

re: #92 incanus

I know, it's sad. If we start electing politicians to punish their predecessors as opposed to righting their wrongs, we are indeed on the path to banana-republicandom.


Banana Republicans? Maybe we should call them Banana Democrats now.

106 pat  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:13:44am

This guy is a lawyer?

107 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:13:58am

re: #91 Carl B

Jewish Liberals to Launch A Counterpoint to AIPAC

Isn't there already an organization for liberal Jews, called the Democratic Party?

108 maddogg  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:14:16am
“What I would want to do is to have my Justice Department and my Attorney General immediately review the information that’s already there and to find out are there inquiries that need to be pursued. I can’t prejudge that because we don’t have access to all the material right now. I think that you are right, if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated. You’re also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt because I think we’ve got too many problems we’ve got to solve.

So, has Lynne Stewart accepted the position of Attourney General yet?

109 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:14:45am
“What I would want to do is to have my Justice Department and my Attorney General immediately review the information that’s already there and to find out are there inquiries that need to be pursued. I can’t prejudge that because we don’t have access to all the material right now. I think that you are right, if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated. You’re also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt because I think we’ve got too many problems we’ve got to solve.

So which is it?.......pursue inquiries.......or not have partisan witch hunts?

It's amazing people suck this stuff up....

110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:14:51am

re: #81 Lively

So the parent doesn't want to lose the cell phone. Wow.

/probably voting Obama, too.

Yeah, if the kid had been kidnapped, well, he is easy enough to replace, but a cell phone? Some of those contracts are murder.

111 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:15:02am

re: #101 Ben Hur

Whelp, here's another one going the way of Lauren "I'd rather my children starve than another white person buy my album" Hill.

Alicia Keys: 'Gangsta Rap' Created to Convince Black People to Kill Each Other

Alicia went racist/moonbat a long time ago. "I see lies in that flag", I recall her saying about the Stars n' Stripes several years ago. Too bad, because she's a good singer and quite striking to look at. (Although a little zoftig for my tastes)

112 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:15:11am

re: #83 tfc3rid

That's only because he was assassinated...

I don't see why that matters, he was an evil Republican! You should see what they can do!

/some people believe it, tinfoil sales are up

113 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:15:23am

re: #92 incanus

I know, it's sad. If we start electing politicians to punish their predecessors as opposed to righting their wrongs, we are indeed on the path to banana-republicandom.

Well- how sad is it that this guy's idea of proposing something to the American people consists of nothing but a political witch hunt? Is that all he's got?

114 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:15:41am
115 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:15:44am

re: #112 incanus

I don't see why that matters, he was an evil Republican! You should see what they can do!

/some people believe it, tinfoil sales are up

lies. all lies...

*fiddles with mind control ray*

No, all lies.

116 ackomanyuki  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:15:51am

re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm wondering when he'll start promising a chicken in every pot, a car in every garage and everyone earning an above average income.

It'll be the modern day equivilant of forty acres and a mule.....forty ouncers and a BMW.

117 BuddyG  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:16:01am

re: #68 LanceKates

...but none of them can describe WHY they qualify for Geneva convention rights...Same with the lies. You point out that President Bush never actually said that they had nukes, just that they were seeking nukes... that

Whenever I point out that Clinton attacked Iraq regarding WMDs,
the moonbat response is to ignore it, change the subject, or call me a "neo-con".

118 Golem Akbar  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:16:08am

re: #102 zombie

Better not show them this picture, then.


I hope she's still saying that next week. You know, after she ducks some more sniper fire.

119 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:16:19am

re: #113 Sharmuta

Well- how sad is it that this guy's idea of proposing something to the American people consists of nothing but a political witch hunt? Is that all he's got?

Well, he sure has no policies or mainstream belief system...

120 sojerofgod  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:16:19am

When Clinton took office he purged all the US Attorneys in the country. Several Democrat pols, including one in my area got off the hook for corruption charges because their cases were taken over by the new Dem appointees. Obama wants to reverse that, and prosecute Repubs for the crime of not being democrat as soon as he takes the oath.
" A riot is an ugly thing.... and I Tink its about time we got one started!"

121 Golem Akbar  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:16:26am

re: #107 JamesTKirk

Isn't there already an organization for liberal Jews, called the Democratic Party?


Bingo

122 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:16:35am

re: #102 zombie

Isn't California Senator Feinstein a member of AIPAC?

123 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:16:36am

re: #113 Sharmuta

Well- how sad is it that this guy's idea of proposing something to the American people consists of nothing but a political witch hunt? Is that all he's got?

But, he's got "Hope" and he's got "Change". Did I mention he has "Hope" and "Change"?

124 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:16:42am

re: #98 Iron Fist

,

Of course not. Clinton is a Democrat. He gets a pass on Perjury. And on murder (remember Waco).

Silly me! I keep forgetting that hypocritical application of the law thing democrats do. ;)

125 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:16:46am

re: #117 BuddyG

Whenever I point out that Clinton attacked Iraq regarding WMDs,
the moonbat response is to ignore it, change the subject, or call me a "neo-con".

Ahh, but we had a Republican Congress in 1998, so they LIED to clinton to force him to attack!

/

126 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:17:10am

re: #121 Golem Akbar

re: #107 JamesTKirk

Isn't there already an organization for liberal Jews, called the Democratic Party?


Bingo

No, that's more of a Catholic thing.

/rimshot

127 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:17:39am

I have hunger! Must have eating of food now! Food! There will be food!

128 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:17:47am

re: #88 jcm

LOL!

I hate to say it but I bait 'em. When I'm feeling extra ornery I can usually have 'em screaming at me in less than a minute.

I just had an encounter with a coworker (i consider him a friend) that started out as an innocent joke about the Obama "clinging" faux pas.

It turned into how elections are "all about money" (true enough).

This morphed into the Clinton book deals (we agreed that if you can sell a book, go for it).

I mentioned that Mary Mapes' book was at the Dollar Tree for a buck. It was an example of a Book Deal Gone Bad.

He went into a full-up BDS rant on how it was unfortunate, because the charges in the book were "true". I asked him about the memo. He went into the "fact" that Bush was given his slot. I replied that that was patently false (my father was in THAT National Guard unit before, during, and after Bush was a pilot there - 38 years). He asked how I could possibly know that. I explained to him that my Dad got the coveted enlisted slot that developed the 500-person waiting list; that the pilot slots were not the same. I offered him my Dad's phone number if he wanted to hear it first-hand. He told me he would prefer to hear it from a better source.

That's when I felt the blood boil and left him.

He followed me, and I just walked faster.

/rant off

129 Lively  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:17:49am

re: #101 Ben Hur

Alicia Keys must not know how the music business works...after reading her viewpoint. Either that or she attends the Rev Wright Church of hate whitey.

/Alicia's probably voting for Obama, too.

130 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:17:58am

re: #82 Occasional Reader

And they then start angrily demanding that you recognize that "I have a right to my opinion." Because, you see, by disagreeing with them, and making them think uncomfortable thoughts about their own cognitive dissonance, you were threatening their free speech rights...

.....and you're a racist, homophobic, bigoted, TWP, gun-toting, bible thumping, NASCAR watching, hepatitis sufferer.

131 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:18:18am

re: #90 Dave the.....

I opposed that also (on the state level). To me it was about giving the government employees another paid day off. By me not getting my mail, how does that honor MLK? Some states, like Arizona, offered a deal. Lose a different day, like Columbus Day, in exchange for getting MLK day off from work. Gov't people said "no, we want more free time".

To college students in Wisc it meant they lost Easter Sunday with their parents. The UW system took away the day after Easter to in order to extend the winter break one more day (MOnday of MLK day). So if you lived 6 hours away, you had to leave early on Easter Sunday to get back to school.

Dave, Dave Dave. (How ya doing? =) You have to understand that the Government knows best, and if that means a new holiday to honour a great man takes away from the religious nutcase holiday you bitterly cling to, well, so be it. Change, ya know.

132 Dave the.....  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:18:53am

Remember what John Kerry said 4 years ago when asked why he voted to go to war in Iraq? He said he thought Bush was lying about going to war, so that's why he (Kerry) voted for war. If he had known Bush was telling the truth, he would have voted against it.

133 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:18:54am

re: #127 Occasional Reader

I have hunger! Must have eating of food now! Food! There will be food!

Make sure though you share your food with your less fortunate neighbor as is required...

Hail Obama!

It's like we're moving toward the America in the movie Idiocracy.

134 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:18:57am

re: #101 Ben Hur

Whelp, here's another one going the way of Lauren "I'd rather my children starve than another white person buy my album" Hill.

Alicia Keys: 'Gangsta Rap' Created to Convince Black People to Kill Each Other

Dang, now she sounds worse than Erykah Badu.

I recently ate in a new-ish restaurant in Oakland run by what I thought were Rastafarians. But once we were inside and eating, I starting perusing the decorations on the walls -- weird hand-made loving painted portraits, collages and shrines to Erykah Badu, Marcus Garvey, George Jackson, and various other icons of black nationalism and conspiracy theoryism.

I still couldn't figure out was sect or cult the owners were in.

135 DistantThunder  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:19:01am

Way to focus on the real threat to America - Mr. Obama

136 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:19:27am

re: #109 eschew_obfuscation

So which is it?.......pursue inquiries.......or not have partisan witch hunts?

It's amazing people suck this stuff up....

If Obama gets elected, that is only one of the bills he will have to pay.

137 jcm  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:19:28am

Old school campaign promise.

A chicken in every pot.

New school.

Free everything.
And the previous administration in jail for not giving you free stuff.

138 selpaw  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:19:30am
Obama would ask his AG to ‘immediately review’ potential of crimes in Bush White House.

It will never happen. He is simply playing to the crowds!

139 SpiritOf1683  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:19:33am
Yesterday Barack Obama told a Philadelphia reporter that if elected President, he would “immediately” ask his Attorney General to look into prosecuting former Bush officials for war crimes and torture: Obama would ask his AG to ‘immediately review’ potential of crimes in Bush White House.

And that is one of several reasons why Obama will never become President.

140 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:19:35am

re: #11 jcm

I've asked a few with BDS I know.

What crimes? What statute would you charge him under?

Never, ever, has anyone come up with an actual prosecutable crime.

What crime did Scooter Libby commit?
Other than working for the current administration, which BDS sufferers consider a crime in and of itself.

141 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:19:55am

re: #127 Occasional Reader

I have hunger! Must have eating of food now! Food! There will be food!

LOL, you sound like my boss at 11:30 or so...

142 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:19:55am

re: #127 Occasional Reader

I have hunger! Must have eating of food now! Food! There will be food!

Now now, you know we abolished free eating of foods bad for you when we elected Obama.

Please report to the nearest food center where you will be given your daily ration of Soylent Green.

Remember, Big Brother loves you, and you love Big Brother. Big Brother is watching.

In other news, sugar rations were raised to a quarter cup a week. Of course, our enemy, the Eastasians quickly infiltrated our ranks and dispersed propaganda trying to insinuate that the former ration was a half cup a week, which might lead some to think that the rations went down.

This clearly cannot be true. Our friends in Minitrue are working on correcting this horrible action, so do not be alarmed.

143 TalkinKamel  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:20:11am

Next, Obama's going to promise to investigate the "neo-cons."

144 FrogMarch  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:20:15am

If this is true - for the first time I would be glad to see Obama fail.
Which means we get Hillary. *gasp*

I wonder if Hillary will make the same promise?

145 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:20:19am

re: #123 Honorary Yooper

But, he's got "Hope" and he's got "Change". Did I mention he has "Hope" and "Change"?

If he only had a pocketful of wishes to go with that, he might rope me in.

/

146 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:20:28am

re: #122 laZardo

Isn't California Senator Feinstein a member of AIPAC?

Probably.

147 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:20:38am

re: #137 jcm

Old school campaign promise.

A chicken in every pot.

Libertarian campaign promise:

Pot.

148 Sacred Plants  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:20:43am

re: #127 Occasional Reader

You don´t live from food alone, but also from every promise from the mouth of your political master.

149 sojerofgod  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:20:51am

As a Typical Bitter White Person I resent the implication that We in the vast cabal of white persons are supposed to be engineering the deaths of black 'leaders'
Why didn't i get a membership card like the rest of you-all?

TBWP has a nice ring to it.

150 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:20:55am

re: #91 Carl B

Early OT, but related
Jewish Liberals to Launch A Counterpoint to AIPAC

Golden calf worshipers. They should have stayed in Egypt.

151 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:21:03am

re: #105 zmdavid

Banana Republicans? Maybe we should call them Banana Democrats now.

Gah, I mean banana-republicdom. My bad.

Even that's wrong now that I think about it; what Obama wants is a People's Republic.

152 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:21:12am

re: #128 OldLineTexan

'Better source' meaning someone who agreed with him, of course.

Eyewitness accounts are MUCH less reliable than a forged memo a few decades later...

heh.

153 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:21:12am

Obama will not win the Presidency....It just won't happen.

Two experiences over the past few weeks have made me quite confident that McCain will win in November:

1) My moonbat sister and her (commonlaw) husband, both long-time Hillary supporters, told me on Sunday that they will not vote if Obama is nominated. They hate him.....I was shocked to hear it.

2) Literally every Hispanic American that I've asked, here in LA (and I know many) have told me that they will be voting for McCain, and not reluctantly either, they like him.

154 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:21:46am

re: #130 eschew_obfuscation

.....and you're a racist, homophobic, bigoted, TWP, gun-toting, bible thumping, NASCAR watching, hepatitis sufferer.

but does he have a degree in electrical engineering?

155 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:21:49am

re: #134 zombie

I commented on this yesterday. She's now a member of the reality-challenged based community.

156 Dave the.....  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:21:50am
Early OT, but related
Jewish Liberals to Launch A Counterpoint to AIPAC

I'm used to liberal Christians who hate Israel, but Jews Against Israel provides some ironey.

157 maddogg  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:22:39am

re: #143 TalkinKamel

Next, Obama's going to promise to investigate the "neo-cons."

Yes, but first he will change the terminology from "neocons" to "militias".

158 pat  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:22:50am

The odd thing is that only a fool would say this. It is unpolitical, unmeasured, legally suspect and will cause a backlash. Obama is the Kool Aide Man.

159 rawmuse  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:22:57am

re: #101 Ben Hur

Too bad, I almost liked Alicia Keyes, before she became Sistah Souljah redux.

160 bosk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:22:58am

What is that "boy" thinking?

161 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:23:08am

re: #153 Ringo the Gringo

I think a lot of people may change their minds about voting for Obama when he annouces his VP choice...

I think some of the Dems who would consider voting for MCain will end up voting for Barry O, thus making things very tight...

162 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:23:20am

re: #139 SpiritOf1683

And that is one of several reasons why Obama will never become President.

Most of the insane things Obama says:

(1) Are not reported in the MSM, so the vast majority of voters are ignorant of them and thus they won't have an effect on the election.
(2) Are reported on conservative blogs, where people won't vote for Obama anyway.
(3) Are reported on liberal blogs, where the people are in full agreement with his lunacy.

163 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:23:30am

re: #153 Ringo the Gringo

Obama will not win the Presidency....It just won't happen.

Two experiences over the past few weeks have made me quite confident that McCain will win in November:

1) My moonbat sister and her (commonlaw) husband, both long-time Hillary supporters, told me on Sunday that they will not vote if Obama is nominated. They hate him.....I was shocked to hear it.

2) Literally every Hispanic American that I've asked, here in LA (and I know many) have told me that they will be voting for McCain, and not reluctantly either, they like him.

I have a friend who lives in Florida who is in every way an absolute moonbat-seeming guy. He worships Hillary, hates Bush, etc.

He stunned me recently by announcing that Obama "terrified" him and that McCain "looked pretty good."

He'll be voting for McCain in November, he said, if Obama is nominated.

164 coquimbojoe  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:23:33am

I am late to the gan=me here, but this guy Obama is nothing but a fool. Ity not that he is trolling for the BDS vote, it just comes naturally.

He will make Carter look Statesmanlike....

165 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:23:36am

re: #160 bosk

What is that "boy" thinking?

'boy' is racially offensive.

From now on, refer to all minorities as 'girly' or 'Nancy'

166 sojerofgod  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:23:44am

Ya, don't you just love the doublespeak? "Immediately investigate the Bush administration, but don't worry, we won't really prosecute anyone...."

I call BS to that one.

What kind of hope is Obama promising?

167 The Other Les  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:23:45am

re: #30 Dave the.....

And after two years of the crap, the Republicans will run in 2010 on change and may do quite well.


Dave? What makes you believe that will still be a Republican Party in 2010 if a Marxist get into power?

168 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:23:47am

re: #143 TalkinKamel

Next, Obama's going to promise to investigate the "neo-cons."


whhaa?.....What'd I do?........


:-D

169 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:23:58am

re: #101 Ben Hur

Whelp, here's another one going the way of Lauren "I'd rather my children starve than another white person buy my album" Hill.

Alicia Keys: 'Gangsta Rap' Created to Convince Black People to Kill Each Other

And who created gangsta rap? Wasn't it BLACK RAPPERS? And then she goes on to glorify what she just criticized. If you don't want to glorify violence, why wear an AK-47 necklace?
Cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.

170 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:24:10am

re: #154 LanceKates

but does he have a degree in electrical engineering?

Do they have electrical engineers in Washington?

171 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:24:27am

re: #146 zombie

Yeah, that's the report where I noticed she was very pro-Israel.

/as of that report's timestamp, anyway...

172 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:25:03am

re: #170 eschew_obfuscation

Do they have electrical engineers in Washington?

They must, as they're telling us what kinds of light bulbs we're allowed to use in our own homes.

173 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:25:05am

re: #161 tfc3rid

I think a lot of people may change their minds about voting for Obama when he annouces his VP choice...

I think some of the Dems who would consider voting for MCain will end up voting for Barry O, thus making things very tight...

The one thing that I fear is that Obama asks Al Gore to be his running-mate.

That could win my sister over...She adores al-Gore.

174 laZardo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:25:07am

re: #156 Dave the.....

They're not called the Neuterei Karta for nothing... (;

175 EC Marm  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:25:11am

re: #134 zombie
Without a picture of Haile Selassie on the wall in prominent view, they're probably not Rasta. Marcus Garvey was okay with Bob Marley.

176 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:25:16am

re: #162 JamesTKirk

Most of the insane things Obama says:

(1) Are not reported in the MSM, so the vast majority of voters are ignorant of them and thus they won't have an effect on the election.
(2) Are reported on conservative blogs, where people won't vote for Obama anyway.
(3) Are reported on liberal blogs, where the people are in full agreement with his lunacy.

And the biggest and most daming things he has done or people he has associated with are never in the national media. The entire Rezko trial is confined to the Illinois media. The entire trial and Obama's associations with Nadhmi Auchi.

177 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:25:45am

re: #145 Sharmuta

If he only had a pocketful of wishes to go with that, he might rope me in.

/

As my South Dakota friends used to say, "You can wish in one hand and shit in the other; see which one fills up first".

178 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:25:50am
179 indythinker  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:25:50am

Barry O'Bitter has no idea what America is all about.

180 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:26:07am

re: #152 LanceKates

'Better source' meaning someone who agreed with him, of course.

Eyewitness accounts are MUCH less reliable than a forged memo a few decades later...

heh.

Oh, he asked me if my father took the phone call.

I said no, but he heard all the base rumors for thirty-eight years. Knew EVERYONE in that chain of command. KNEW the system as only a Sgt. does. KNEW every pilot through that unit for thirty-eight years. Debriefed Shrub hisself on numerous occasions.

Then I pretty much stomped off. I could tell I was raising my voice, and I can be LOUD. Not a Good Thing, even in a machine shop. Too many witnesses.

181 Venezuela lover  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:26:14am

Its a mafia type threat. Obama knows he is being prosecuted for his past dealings and lies and thus, he is threatening the current president.
Obama is one angry inner city dude. Time for him to switch from steroids and cocaine to recreational drugs that don't cause rage.

182 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:26:17am

re: #150 Kosh's Shadow

Golden calf worshipers. They should have stayed in Egypt.

Well the line is being drawn. It is becoming more and more obvious that ultra liberal progressive Jews are no longer members of the tribe. There really is no other way of looking at it. They are also intent it appears to want to drive a wedge between real Jews and the Christian Community. I can only assume they pray at the alter of socialism.

183 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:26:20am

I think we also need to focus on 'Get Out the Vote' for Congress as well... As of now, most projections I've seen show the Dems adding to their majority in both the Senate and House...

It makes it MORE imperative to prevent a conplete Dem majority... They will do irrepairable harm to America.

184 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:26:26am

re: #151 incanus

Even that's wrong now that I think about it; what Obama wants is a People's Republic.

Just not the Typical People.

185 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:26:44am

Anyone going to take on the List of Ten Things BS about McCain that I posted?

186 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:27:06am

re: #153 Ringo the Gringo

Obama will not win the Presidency....It just won't happen.

Two experiences over the past few weeks have made me quite confident that McCain will win in November:

1) My moonbat sister and her (commonlaw) husband, both long-time Hillary supporters, told me on Sunday that they will not vote if Obama is nominated. They hate him.....I was shocked to hear it.

2) Literally every Hispanic American that I've asked, here in LA (and I know many) have told me that they will be voting for McCain, and not reluctantly either, they like him.

What's not to like if you're Hispanic? McCain's track record is solidly open border.

187 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:27:09am

re: #173 Ringo the Gringo

I don't know if he would have Gore as Veep... Gore is too big now to settle for a position he alreadty spent 8 years at...

188 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:27:18am

re: #163 zombie

My sister said she has more respect for McCain than she has for Obama, but I could never see her voting for a Republican.

That's fine let her stay home.

189 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:27:22am

re: #180 OldLineTexan

"No sir, I don't know how that liberal-thinking hippie has a stamp in his hand that matches up with the die in the punch-press. He and I were talking about President Bush and then I blacked out."

190 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:27:36am

re: #171 laZardo

Yeah, that's the report where I noticed she was very pro-Israel.

/as of that report's timestamp, anyway...

yeah...you believe it....her "experience" is saddled to Willie's time in office and he was so far up Arafish' ass they looked like a four-legged man!

She'll pander to a child-molester if it'll get her elected!

191 zmdavid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:27:38am

re: #178 taxfreekiller

Of Some Note:

Talk shows are getting calls now, callers are telling the phone answer persons,,"If "" our """ candidate does not win the Democratic nomination there will be "" riots""".. now who is it that is the prime mover of such calls,, uh. G. Soros ?


Sounds like Ms. Royal of France.

192 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:27:40am

re: #167 The Other Les

Dave? What makes you believe that will still be a Republican Party in 2010 if a Marxist get into power?

What makes you think Barry's just simply a Marxist? I'd say he's more of a Third-wayer.

193 Carl B  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:27:43am

re: #102 zombie

Better not show them this picture, then.

My wife and I are both beginning to think that even Hillary would be less bad than Obama.

194 Sacred Plants  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:27:51am

re: #144 FrogMarch

Which means we get Hillary. *gasp*

Which means you lose Europe as an ally. To her, in the worst case.

195 rawmuse  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:28:03am

re: #185 Ben Hur

Anyone going to take on the List of Ten Things BS about McCain that I posted?

I don't like being reminded that, even if we prevail this Nov., all we get is a guy who spent the last 20 years sticking his thumbs in to our eye sockets...

196 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:28:07am

re: #185 Ben Hur

sure. mail me a card copy and I'll take it to the range and put a few rounds through it.

197 debutaunt  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:28:23am

"...will want to be paid back for their messianic support, and they won’t be satisfied without promises of blood and circuses."

Too funny!

198 maddogg  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:28:36am

I just love it when Barry talks! Keep it coming!

199 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:29:10am

re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm wondering when he'll start promising a chicken in every pot, a car in every garage and everyone earning an above average income.

Which would mean that an average income would be an average income.

200 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:29:28am

re: #162 JamesTKirk

Most of the insane things Obama says:

(1) Are not reported in the MSM, so the vast majority of voters are ignorant of them and thus they won't have an effect on the election.
(2) Are reported on conservative blogs, where people won't vote for Obama anyway.
(3) Are reported on liberal blogs, where the people are in full agreement with his lunacy.

It's too bad McChimpyBushCheneyHitlerBurton aren't as all powerful as some people seem to think they are, because I would love to see the liberal blog stuff blasted right into America's living rooms some peaceful evening ...

201 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:30:09am

re: #199 Cygnus

Which would mean that an average income would be an average income.

Of course, when everyone is rich, no one will be.

Design I want for a bumper sticker:
"50% of people are below average. Deal with it."

202 Iron Fist  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:30:14am

Remember, this guy is for turning terrorists loose from Gitmo, and now he's talking about prosecuting Republicans for, well, being Republican. And violating the rights of the afore mentioned terrorists. We're not talking about just going back to a 9-10 outlook on terrorism. We're talking about a full, head-in-the-sand ignoring of the problem.

Because the real problem is the bad old USA, and the awful Republicans.

God help us if this thug gets elected President.

203 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:30:18am

re: #163 zombie

I have a friend who lives in Florida who is in every way an absolute moonbat-seeming guy. He worships Hillary, hates Bush, etc.

He stunned me recently by announcing that Obama "terrified" him and that McCain "looked pretty good."

He'll be voting for McCain in November, he said, if Obama is nominated.

I dunno why any of this is surprising. McCain was adored by the press as long as he was a maverick. Some of that adoration apparently found an audience.

/law of unintended consequences

204 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:30:23am

re: #169 Kosh's Shadow

And who created gangsta rap? Wasn't it BLACK RAPPERS? And then she goes on to glorify what she just criticized. If you don't want to glorify violence, why wear an AK-47 necklace?
Cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.

She's not against violence. She just thinks it's being misdirected - it should be applied against whitey.

205 jemima  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:30:27am

We aren't just gun-toting bitter people. We are his enemy. We are in the way of his implementation of all his Marxist policies.

206 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:30:56am

re: #164 coquimbojoe

Not true - not when Obama will be relying on Carter's foreign policy team for advice. Heck, Carter is all but trying to physically push Hillary out the door so that the convention will not be a mess between Hillary and Obama people.

207 maddogg  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:30:56am

I have determined, through careful observation, that when a Democrat talks about the "rich", they mean anyone with taxable income.

208 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:31:08am

re: #143 TalkinKamel

Next, Obama's going to promise to investigate the "neo-cons."

When they came for the Bush administration. I didn't speak up because I was't in the Bush administration.
Then they came for the neocons. I didn't speak up because I wasn't a neocon.
Then they came for the Jews. I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the bitter people clinging to religion and guns, so I shot them.

209 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:31:13am

re: #166 sojerofgod

Ya, don't you just love the doublespeak? "Immediately investigate the Bush administration, but don't worry, we won't really prosecute anyone...."

I call BS to that one.

What kind of hope is Obama promising?

I was trying to think of what this reminds me of ... it's the Carville thing on Rush!

"Didja hear that Larry? He said he wasn't never a space-alien who wanted to destroy your kids!"

210 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:31:15am

re: #203 OldLineTexan

McCain is a maverick for buddying up with the Democrats against republicans.

Zell Miller is a backstabbing traitor for buddying up with the Republicans against the Democrats.

Zell Miller in 08!

211 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:31:49am
212 zombie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:32:01am

re: #175 EC Marm

Without a picture of Haile Selassie on the wall in prominent view, they're probably not Rasta. Marcus Garvey was okay with Bob Marley.

No, once inside, I realized they definitely weren't Rasta. They were very much in favor of the Garveyite "Back to Africa" movement, though, and seemingly in favor of segregation, as were some of the more extreme Black Panthers.

They were wearing weird cult-y clothes, though. I was really curious.

The food was actually pretty good (if eccentric), though the "Jamaican-style homemade ginger beer" was about 15x stronger than the human body can tolerate, One sip and you had an internal ginger explosion.

213 deseeded  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:32:53am

Well, a Republican witch hunt is all Barry will need to divert attention from his policies of increased taxation, increased unemployment due to "Green" business methods that cut thousands of jobs, and his inability to get the troops out of Iraq.

214 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:33:30am

re: #181 Venezuela lover

Its a mafia type threat. Obama knows he is being prosecuted for his past dealings and lies and thus, he is threatening the current president.
Obama is one angry inner city dude. Time for him to switch from steroids and cocaine to recreational drugs that don't cause rage.

Oh come now, that's not fair. There's no evidence Obama used steroids.

215 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:33:34am

re: #213 deseeded

Well, a Republican witch hunt is all Barry will need to divert attention from his policies of increased taxation, increased unemployment due to "Green" business methods that cut thousands of jobs, and his inability to get the troops out of Iraq.

But, Barry Obamolini will make the trains run on time.

/s

216 coquimbojoe  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:33:40am

re: #206 lawhawk

Not true - not when Obama will be relying on Carter's foreign policy team for advice. Heck, Carter is all but trying to physically push Hillary out the door so that the convention will not be a mess between Hillary and Obama people.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! (That's the sound of my brain itching)

217 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:33:48am

re: #208 Kosh's Shadow

When they came for the Bush administration. I didn't speak up because I was't in the Bush administration.
Then they came for the neocons. I didn't speak up because I wasn't a neocon.
Then they came for the Jews. I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the bitter people clinging to religion and guns, so I shot them.

LOL!

218 EC Marm  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:33:50am

Philadelphia, of course, is not one of the "small towns" in Pennsylvania that Obama insulted last week. In the Presidential election Obama could call the 'small town" voters cousin porkin' idiots and still win the state. Just with the votes from Philly and Pittsburgh alone. Which is why, imo, he threw this bone to the Philly reporter. He's keeping the hate alive. While pointing the finger everywhere else.

219 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:33:54am

re: #184 Sharmuta

Just not the Typical People.

It never is :-(

220 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:34:43am

re: #218 EC Marm

Philadelphia, of course, is not one of the "small towns" in Pennsylvania that Obama insulted last week. In the Presidential election Obama could call the 'small town" voters cousin porkin' idiots and still win the state. Just with the votes from Philly and Pittsburgh alone. Which is why, imo, he threw this bone to the Philly reporter. He's keeping the hate alive. While pointing the finger everywhere else.

Rotating title nomination. I am srsly LOL!

221 Sacred Plants  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:34:51am

re: #212 zombie

Didn´t you ask for that what makes a Rasta a Rasta?

222 dachew  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:35:15am

re: #134 zombie

Erykah Badu, Marcus Garvey, George Jackson...

Black Panther, Rastafari, Singer...

Oh my god! It's a cult of people who wear wierd hats! Quick, Zombie, was there a portrait of a cat with a red and white top hat?

223 redc1c4  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:35:39am

re: #111 Occasional Reader

Alicia went racist/moonbat a long time ago. "I see lies in that flag", I recall her saying about the Stars n' Stripes several years ago. Too bad, because she's a good singer and quite striking to look at. (Although a little zoftig for my tastes)

don't know who she is, and have never knowingly heard any of her music.

/won't bother looking into it now

224 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:35:48am

re: #208 Kosh's Shadow

When they came for the Bush administration. I didn't speak up because I was't in the Bush administration.
Then they came for the neocons. I didn't speak up because I wasn't a neocon.
Then they came for the Jews. I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the bitter people clinging to religion and guns, so I shot them.

Heh. And they call Bush "Hitler". I call Obama "Mussolini".

225 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:36:02am

re: #207 maddogg

I have determined, through careful observation, that when a Democrat talks about the "rich", they mean anyone with taxable income.

Not quite, you have to be not a Democrat also.

226 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:36:49am
227 warlock  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:37:11am

I think Mr. Hussein Obama should be investigated for all of his associations with Amercia and Jew hating uber leftists.

228 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:37:24am

re: #208 Kosh's Shadow

Then they came for the bitter people clinging to religion and guns, so I shot them.

LOL... amen.

229 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:39:48am

re: #186 OldLineTexan

What's not to like if you're Hispanic? McCain's track record is solidly open border.

Actually the reason that I'm hearing is his military service. It may come as a surprise to many people here but many (if not most) of the southern California service men in Iraq and Afghanistan are hispanic.

He's also seen as a moderate-conservative.

Of course, his position (or lack thereof) on immigration also plays a role.

230 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:40:00am

OT: Iran threatens to destroy Israel if attacked.

Of course, Iran threatens to destroy Isreal even if NOT attacked, so there's no real news there.

President Fonzie really has jumped the shark.

231 OccamsRazor  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:40:58am

If it does indeed come to pass, hopefully they'll all get so tied up in trying to resolve their anger toward the Bush administration that they'll never have time to pass any of their other wacked-out legislation.

232 Pyrocles  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:42:12am

Yeah...many of these "points" would make me more confident in my support for McCain! Hehe...

re: #89 zombie

Oh, boy, that cuts it: I'm camping out in front of my polling station, starting now. I want to be the first to vote for McCain!

233 bosk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:43:01am

I just wonder will he investigate all those that voted to use force in Iraq.

234 bosk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:44:09am

re: #165 LanceKates

'boy' is racially offensive.

From now on, refer to all minorities as 'girly' or 'Nancy'

What is that "nancy" thinking?

235 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:44:38am
236 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:46:08am
237 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:46:29am

re: #234 bosk

Much better.

Of course, now you're insulting women, so we're going to have to send you to a reeducation camp as you not only insult women but also minorities.

Yes, we still have the first Amendment, but we're just not allowed to say anything unless we're ripping on a conservative.

238 Andopolis  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:47:17am

Why bother with prosecutions? Just round up Dubya, Laura and the twins and cart them off to Yekaterinburg....

/ there, I put a slash this time

239 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:48:56am
240 EE  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:48:56am

BHO still remains for me an enigma wrapped in a puzzle enveloped by a dense fog.

Could this threatened Stalinist-type purge of the present and recent Bush administration officials actually be Barack Hussein avenging Saddam Hussein?

Is the threatened purge actually the start of what BHO has in mind when he shows campaign posters of a stylized sunrise -- the "nieuw ordnung" (new order), as the Eurofascists have promoted?

We won't really know until we have President Obama, the most powerful man in the world. And then it will be too late.

It reminds me of the Nazi slogan: "Alles muss anders zein!" (Everything must change!). People are buying into something that they have no idea of. They are following a skillful and charismatic demagogue. And pretty much the same slogan: Alles muss anders zein!

241 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:50:00am

re: #208 Kosh's Shadow

When they came for the Bush administration. I didn't speak up because I was't in the Bush administration.
Then they came for the neocons. I didn't speak up because I wasn't a neocon.
Then they came for the Jews. I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the bitter people clinging to religion and guns, so I shot them.


....so I prayed for good aim.

242 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:50:52am

re: #185 Ben Hur

Anyone going to take on the List of Ten Things BS about McCain that I posted?

Were those things supposed to be negative?

243 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:50:59am

re: #229 Ringo the Gringo

Actually the reason that I'm hearing is his military service. It may come as a surprise to many people here but many (if not most) of the southern California service men in Iraq and Afghanistan are hispanic.

He's also seen as a moderate-conservative.

Of course, his position (or lack thereof) on immigration also plays a role.

It does not surprise me. I expect the armed forces to represent the population, and Southern California is heavily "Hispanic".

A large number of the Marines I meet are of Hispanic heritage. Most of them do not identify themselves as "Hispanic". I have several friends who shun the term now.

How McCain got to be a moderate "conservative", I have no idea.

244 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:51:09am

Sadly I've got a freind who goes on about this sort of thing. I simply looked at him. "If you are so sure of the evidence. why haven't the Democrats actually tried persecution?"

muttering tends to ensue

245 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:51:47am

re: #244 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Sadly I've got a freind who goes on about this sort of thing. I simply looked at him. "If you are so sure of the evidence. why haven't the Democrats actually tried persecution?"

muttering tends to ensue

I hope they try prosecution first.

246 rwmofo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:52:09am

re: #34 JamesTKirk

They're guilty of being Republicans! Arrest them!

Well you beat me to it. Actually the MSM feels exactly the same way.

247 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:53:08am
248 maddogg  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:53:57am

I sent the link to O'Reilly, its about time he did another story on the culture war, and Obama's judgement.

249 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:54:05am

re: #239 taxfreekiller

We, the others should just line up now for the re-education moment in time. Yo, Demon National Committee, where do the lines form up?

Maybe I'll finally get to see those murals at the Denver Airport.

250 rwmofo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:55:31am

re: #70 Ben Hur

11. Keating 5.

251 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:55:40am

re: #199 Cygnus

Which would mean that an above average income would be an average income.

PIMF!

252 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:56:45am

re: #240 EE

BHO still remains for me an enigma wrapped in a puzzle enveloped by a dense fog.

Could this threatened Stalinist-type purge of the present and recent Bush administration officials actually be Barack Hussein avenging Saddam Hussein?

Is the threatened purge actually the start of what BHO has in mind when he shows campaign posters of a stylized sunrise -- the "nieuw ordnung" (new order), as the Eurofascists have promoted?

We won't really know until we have President Obama, the most powerful man in the world. And then it will be too late.

It reminds me of the Nazi slogan: "Alles muss anders zein!" (Everything must change!). People are buying into something that they have no idea of. They are following a skillful and charismatic demagogue. And pretty much the same slogan: Alles muss anders zein!

That's why Obama is a Third-wayer. The Nazis were for "Change"; the Italian Fascists were for "Change". The Peronistas were for "Change"; Franco was for "Change".

I'd say it's more of a "Night of the Long Knives" purge rather than a Stalinist purge, but that's just me and how I see it.

253 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:57:00am

re: #216 coquimbojoe

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! (That's the sound of my brain itching)

Think about sandpaper. That'll fix it.

/Steve Wright

254 bosk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:57:10am

re: #237 LanceKates

I'll just be investigated not hunted, right?

255 DownRightMeanAmerican  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:58:07am

So its not surprising then that the Obama’s get extremely bitter and cling to their “black value religion” with distaste toward people who aren’t like them, or anti-white sentiment, or anti-Semitic sentiments, or un-proud of their county as a way to explain their frustrations.

256 Opinionated  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:59:03am
Obama would ask his AG

Based on his known associates, what sort of person would Obama appoint as AG?

Terrorist supporting lawyer Lynne Stewart should be ready and rested- after her stint in Federal prison- for the job.

257 RoyalCanadian  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:01:06am

Why wait until a person has been in power before bringing the entire weight of the legal system against a political opponent? Lets say a candidate for office "forgets" which indicted chaps he met at a party or how he "came into" a larger garden, or how he got an unbelievable deal on a mansion or what racist hate speech he listened to and paid for through donations of nearly 1% of his income. As Craig Ferguson says, reminder you of anyone?

258 bosk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:01:42am

Hmmm.... Joo hate and Repulican hate to the Dems. they are the source of all evil, yet they say Bush = Hitler. I think this is irony.

259 Sacred Plants  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:01:52am

re: #224 Honorary Yooper

I call Obama "Mussolini".

Can you show me the goosestepping please?

260 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:03:02am

re: #259 Sacred Plants

Can you show me the goosestepping please?

That was the Nazis. The Italian Fascists didn't goosestep, but they were socialists.

261 funky chicken  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:04:19am
re: #101 Ben Hur

Whelp, here's another one going the way of Lauren "I'd rather my children starve than another white person buy my album" Hill.

Alicia Keys: 'Gangsta Rap' Created to Convince Black People to Kill Each Other

Dang, now she sounds worse than Erykah Badu.

I recently ate in a new-ish restaurant in Oakland run by what I thought were Rastafarians. But once we were inside and eating, I starting perusing the decorations on the walls -- weird hand-made loving painted portraits, collages and shrines to Erykah Badu, Marcus Garvey, George Jackson, and various other icons of black nationalism and conspiracy theoryism.

I still couldn't figure out was sect or cult the owners were in.

Um, you ate the food?

262 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:05:48am

re: #243 OldLineTexan

I'm the one one who used the term hispanic, only because I never know what word to use...Latino? Hispanic?

The people I know are Americans who are of Mexican, Guatamalen, Salvadorian and Peruvian descent...and most of them prefer to be called just that; Americans. Although, Mexican-American, Peruvian-American, etc works when you want to be specific.

When I refer to myself I just use the word gringo.

263 bosk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:05:50am

re: #257 RoyalCanadian

Why wait until a person has been in power before bringing the entire weight of the legal system against a political opponent? Lets say a candidate for office "forgets" which indicted chaps he met at a party or how he "came into" a larger garden, or how he got an unbelievable deal on a mansion or what racist hate speech he listened to and paid for through donations of nearly 1% of his income. As Craig Ferguson says, reminder you of anyone?

Carefull there that might be... something?

264 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:06:13am

re: #252 Honorary Yooper

That's why Obama is a Third-wayer. The Nazis were for "Change"; the Italian Fascists were for "Change". The Peronistas were for "Change"; Franco was for "Change".

I'd say it's more of a "Night of the Long Knives" purge rather than a Stalinist purge, but that's just me and how I see it.

* * *
Dear Yooper, Please note:

My family is alive only because Spain's Francisco Franco was AGAINST the CHANGES Stalinist communists & collectivizers tried to impose on Spain--from its traditions of private property, traditional Catholicism, traditional families, freedom of education & thought.

You'll recall under Generalisimo Franco, US bases were built all over Spain. Franco embraced US-type change, especially at the end of his rule, not communist changes forcibly perpetrated against sovereign Spain by "internationalists".

265 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:10:03am

re: #207 maddogg

I have determined, through careful observation, that when a Democrat talks about the "rich", they mean anyone with taxable income.

...except themselves.

JAFLW

266 EE  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:11:48am

Is Michelle "Madame Defarge" Obama right now putting the names of those to be taken care of right into her knitting? When the knitting is read and acted upon, will she finally have the opportunity to be proud of America?

When Barack Obama was campaigning in Texas, he said something very curious. He said that if Arab families are being rounded up by the authorities and not being allowed to have attorneys represent them, they should contact Barack Obama. I wondered at the time what sort of picture he has of America; is he nuts? Could it be that there is some projection going on here? Could it be that the start of President Obama's reign as President of the United States will hold some surprises for those that the Obamas and their odd associates judge to be enemies of the new order, or potential enemies of the new order, or just possibly those who could create some trouble?

267 American Soldier  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:12:04am

In Louisiana, a FEMA Logistics guy asked me if I'd kept good notes on everything. To my, "Why ask?", he answered, "For the Congressional hearings".
/ In an Obama world- looking forward to the witch trials.........
// after I'd resisted, do you think the Marxists would drag my bullet-riddled body into attendance at the show-trial?

268 Sacred Plants  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:13:21am

re: #260 Honorary Yooper

The reception Mussolini arranged for Hitler was certainly as laborious as the one Kim Jong Il arranged for Madeleine Albright.

269 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:14:17am

re: #225 incanus

GMTA, dude!

JAFLW

270 Maximu§  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:17:11am

Crimes of the Bush Administration?....lets see.

Crime #1) Not using our superior firepower.

Crime #2) Not going after Saudi Arabia for their support of terrorism.

Crime #3) Not arresting Jimmy Carter, Nancy Pelosi, Code Pink, editors of the NYT's, Gitmo Lawyers fighting for the terrorists, etc etc....

Crime #4) Arresting the Haditha Marines and others for doing their jobs too well.

Crime #5) Not making Iraq pay for their Freedom with oil.

Crime #6) Letting Afghanistan base their new laws on Sharia Islamic laws.

Crime #7) Not closing down our southern border with Mexico.

271 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:17:23am

re: #264 alegrias

IIRC, The Falange was never for changing those things: The Church, traditions, etc, but they did overthrow the republic, and were for a "corporate state".

272 loppyd  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:22:53am

Maybe this was discussed during his meeting with the Silky Pony.....

273 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:23:35am
274 strandedsf  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:24:54am

This guy is terrifying. I am sick to my stomach.

275 Maximu§  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:25:27am

Crime #8) Allowing Gitmo to be turned into a circus with the media and lawyers fighting for the rights of murdering terrorists. They should have been tried and hanged 2 weeks after arriving at Gitmo.

Crime #9) Not hanging Islamic traitors in our military, like the one in the Navy and that Sergeant who fragged his buddies at the start of the war. They should have been hanged in full public view.

276 EE  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:26:06am

First they will come for the Bush Administration officials. That makes a lot of sense, considering history. But considering the paths taken by other skilled and charismatic demogogues advocating a New Order, wouldn't it proceed from there?

Wouldn't a logical early step be the collection of all guns from the population?

Could that be why BHO, when he had the chance to be himself in a friendly audience, was so adamant about hicks in Pennsylvania who cling to their guns (and their religion)? Is he planning some sort of separation of people from their guns? And if so, wouldn't things proceed from there?

277 surrounded by moonbats  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:30:48am

Nah.....they don't want to tear the country apart - they're UNITERS!

278 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:32:25am

re: #276 EE

First they will come for the Bush Administration officials. That makes a lot of sense, considering history. But considering the paths taken by other skilled and charismatic demogogues advocating a New Order, wouldn't it proceed from there?

Wouldn't a logical early step be the collection of all guns from the population?

Could that be why BHO, when he had the chance to be himself in a friendly audience, was so adamant about hicks in Pennsylvania who cling to their guns (and their religion)? Is he planning some sort of separation of people from their guns? And if so, wouldn't things proceed from there?

Yes. Remember, Barack Hussein Obama is from Chicago were guns are all but illegal. There are a few (five) municiaplities here that ban handguns outright (including Chicago), and one needs a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card to own a gun or to purchase ammunition. If BHO becomes preisdent, I would be very wary of something like this being rolled out on a national scale.

Why would he pay any attention to the Constitution?

279 EE  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:35:28am

re: #274 strandedsf

This guy is terrifying. I am sick to my stomach.

I agree. This guy who is already calling for a purge to consolidate his power, before he even takes the office of the most powerful position in America is terrifying! He is very power-hungry, and that is and should be terrifying!

280 debutaunt  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:37:01am

re: #29 lawhawk

Who needs an actionable crime - they will simply have independent prosecutors look and root about until they can nail someone for a perjury trap or cite 'em for obstruction of justice.

Never mind that no laws were broken in all of this, that detention of terrorists at GitMo is fully within the US constitution and federal law and regulations and under the President's power as commander in chief.

They will simply investigate because that's all that they know how to do.

That Human Rights lady in Canada will be Special Counsel.

281 debutaunt  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:39:54am

re: #64 Ringo the Gringo

Any of you McCain haters still planning on staying home on election day?

Hey, it's a secret non-vote!

282 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:40:31am
283 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:41:11am

Throw Bush under the bus!

Next!


(This man is starting to remind me of the Queen in Alice in Wonderland. Why do I get the strong feeling that Michelle is the Evil behind the Charm?)

284 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:47:31am

re: #44 JamesTKirk

OT: Why I Let My 9-Year-Old Ride the Subway Alone

This is the same kind of moron as the woman hitchhiking to the middle east and trusting in strangers, except that she's risking her child's life instead of her worthless own.

"Skenazy" sounds like a variant of Ashkenazi. Good God, please tell me this woman is not another moonbat Jew.

What a MORON. And to write about it and ADVERTISE it? Now every pedophile in the 5 cities will be riding the subways from Queens to the city.

285 Paul Morrison  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:51:47am
Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront

Ok Obama, but what does Clinton have to do with the Bush admin?!

286 proud to be an infidel  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:52:31am

re: #44 JamesTKirk

OT: Why I Let My 9-Year-Old Ride the Subway Alone

This is the same kind of moron as the woman hitchhiking to the middle east and trusting in strangers, except that she's risking her child's life instead of her worthless own.

If I had a 9-year-old, I would NEVER let him (or her) ride a subway alone. Not so much that I'd be afraid of strangers and perverts (The woman is right, child abduction from strangers is an extremely rare occurrence and stats bear that out) but I'd worry mostly about him not paying attention and getting run over by a car or accidently pushed into the subway by the crowd of rushing people. A 9-year-old's attention span isn't the greatest and most 9-year-olds don't weigh that much making them more vulnerable to crowd pushing. But the woman does bring up some valid points about parental overprotection and knee jerk reactions to extremely rare occurrences.

287 kaijin  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:53:18am

I think "Messianic" is right. Here at the University of Pittsburgh the Obama thing has become a full blown cult, and I don't mean in the minor way it was before. The "he's our political savior" type of way. Nor do I mean the "Apostle of HopeChange". He has become the full-blown Obamessiah, Black Jesus.

Many of you are familiar with North Koreans being required to wear little lapel pins with images of Kim Il-sung or Kim Jong-il on them at all times. This afternoon I began to see students wearing similar pins with Barack Obama on them, bathed in a multi-ethnic halo of light. Given my background as an Asian security expert, needless to say, I became very, very frightened.

288 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:53:37am

re: #156 Dave the.....

I'm used to liberal Christians who hate Israel, but Jews Against Israel provides some ironey.


You don't know the half of it.

289 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:55:39am

re: #169 Kosh's Shadow

And who created gangsta rap? Wasn't it BLACK RAPPERS? And then she goes on to glorify what she just criticized. If you don't want to glorify violence, why wear an AK-47 necklace?
Cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.


I think you misunderstood: violence against whitey is okay, and that's the symbol that is hanging around her neck.

290 pbird  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:57:40am

re: #236 taxfreekiller

Each photo of Hildie throwing back "shots" in bars, and each loon word out of Obama's loon mouth part, back where its warm and cozy in the global warming green room, Al Gore gets fat and happy.

Yeeks!

291 Sacred Plants  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:59:06am

This episode also makes me wonder does Mr. Obama have any political agenda of his own, other than picking up the populist motto of the day served my the MSM?

292 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:59:52am

re: #6 Onslow

Janet Reno might be up for the job, if she's finished defending Gitmo internees by then.

Maybe she can send tanks and flamethrowers to Crawford. She's got experience with that.

293 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:08:25am

please do not think that this is mere political pandering... he's getting braver.

294 kansas  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:11:04am

re: #11 jcm

I've asked a few with BDS I know.

What crimes? What statute would you charge him under?

Never, ever, has anyone come up with an actual prosecutable crime.

Which is perfect.
President Obama to AG: "Look into this will ya?"
AG: "You got it"
2 year follow up:
AG: "Lookin into it, Boss. Need more funding".
4 year follow up:
"Lookin into it, Boss. Need more funding."

295 justiceforall  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:15:42am

When will people learn that Bush, Cheney and company are above the law?

296 looking closely  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:24:59am

THIS is the guy who is supposed to be the post-partisan uniter of American politics?

297 funky chicken  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:28:34am

re: #270 Maximu§

Crimes I can believe in?

298 neocon hippie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:28:54am

re: #134 zombie

Dang, now she sounds worse than Erykah Badu.

I recently ate in a new-ish restaurant in Oakland run by what I thought were Rastafarians. But once we were inside and eating, I starting perusing the decorations on the walls -- weird hand-made loving painted portraits, collages and shrines to Erykah Badu, Marcus Garvey, George Jackson, and various other icons of black nationalism and conspiracy theoryism.

I still couldn't figure out was sect or cult the owners were in.

Which restaurant, Zom?

Ever been to the Guerrilla Cafe in the Gourmet Ghetto?

299 londonpride  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:30:26am

O/T but I think you guys and girls will appreciate this

[Link: informationdissemination.blogspot.com...]

Scroll down to "out of bounds" and read the story of a guy growing up in America and his take on Obama.

Absolutely brilliant.

300 J.S.  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:34:24am

I can't figure out what's going on in the United States...Just what is going on there? From what I hear and see, the more this Obamanation appears to despise everything American, including any and everyone who's patriotic -- his poll numbers do not recede -- they go up. In other words, the more Obama and his sycophantic followers brag about their hatred of the United States, the more support he receives.

I find this all disturbing and unsettling...

301 debutaunt  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:39:31am

re: #300 J.S.

I can't figure out what's going on in the United States...Just what is going on there? From what I hear and see, the more this Obamanation appears to despise everything American, including any and everyone who's patriotic -- his poll numbers do not recede -- they go up. In other words, the more Obama and his sycophantic followers brag about their hatred of the United States, the more support he receives.

I find this all disturbing and unsettling...

It is. Seems to be triggered by hatred of GWB and massaged by folks who really hate this country.

302 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:49:54am

This is disgusting.

So I guess instead of suing the telecom companies who actually do the wiretapping of calls to terrorists in the Middle East and elsewhere, we can look forward to prosecuting them criminally for helping to defend the US Homeland against further terrorist attacks.

That's great.

.

303 StinkHammer  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:58:24am

re: #169 Kosh's Shadow

Cognitive dissonance abject fucking idiocy is strong in this one.

/Fixed

304 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:01:27pm

The more I here from this ASSHAT,America hating tool,
The more certain I am, that if he becomes POTUS
The more us "home folks" WILL cling to our faith
and our guns!

305 irongrampa  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:14:21pm

Said this prior--it's amazing what comes out when the mask slips.

306 abolitionist  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:15:37pm

Not having read thru, I risk echoing someone else.

Peaceful transitions of power have been operating here since George Washington's administration. Obama now threatens to trash that long-standing American tradition. This sort of change is doubleplus ungood.

307 NR Pax  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 1:14:30pm

Now just watch: Hilary will have to respond by saying that not only would she have Bush Administration officials arrested, but executed on the same day in order to save the taxpayer's the cost of a trial.

308 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 1:32:41pm

re: #270 Maximu§

Crimes of the Bush Administration?....lets see.

Crime #1) Not using our superior firepower.

Crime #2) Not going after Saudi Arabia for their support of terrorism.

Crime #3) Not arresting Jimmy Carter, Nancy Pelosi, Code Pink, editors of the NYT's, Gitmo Lawyers fighting for the terrorists, etc etc....

Crime #4) Arresting the Haditha Marines and others for doing their jobs too well.

Crime #5) Not making Iraq pay for their Freedom with oil.

Crime #6) Letting Afghanistan base their new laws on Sharia Islamic laws.

Crime #7) Not closing down our southern border with Mexico.

Yeah, but those aren't the crimes the American Lefties in the woodwork want him prosecuted for. In fact, they don't considered those to be crimes. At that, if he'd DONE some of the things you bust his chops here for NOT having done, THOSE would have been among the crimes they'd want him prosecuted for!

Something to think about.

309 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 1:34:47pm

re: #277 surrounded by moonbats

Nah.....they don't want to tear the country apart - they're UNITERS!

Yeah. They wanna unite with our enemies. -Spit!-

310 littleben  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 1:47:37pm

A few months ago, I happened to say to my wife that this may be the Manchurian Candidate.She looked at me as though I was a Moonbat.
I was just kidding then.

War Crimes? The Manchurian candidate would have them high on his agenda.

311 littleben  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 1:53:22pm

The apple does not fall far from the tree( in this case two trees and one Uncle).

312 straitshooter  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 3:31:07pm

When political disagreements are criminalized, only criminals will be politicians. Oh, wait...

313 IowaInfidel  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:46:10pm

re: #11 jcm

Perfect! That's exactly what I ask my moonbat friends. Still don't have an answer...

314 nihilist  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:04:56pm

Obama is on record previously of saying he is against efforts to have Bush/Cheney impeached, and now he is talking about charging them with war crimes? This is ridiculous.

I find it awkward that he doesn't think it's worth the battle to confront Bush/Cheney in the commission of the war that features such "war crimes", yet he wants to begin his prospective term as President by engaging in a witch hunt that will destabilize Wash. D.C. and polarize the country.....I'm sure his "war crimes" talk is all posturing, nonetheless...

This is very similar to his adamant denunciation of this war and specifically the surge last year, and his constant characterizations of the Iraq war as immoral and illegitimate, only to have him declare soon thereafter that he would continue it as President during his remarks to Petraeus, in which he unveiled a plan to draw down troops steadily while simultaneously steadily increasing pressure on the enemy and likewise negotiating with Iran (aka, the worst plan ever) ...as a man so morally opposed to the war he is ready and willing to enable its continuation, and to have more troops die, in a war he clearly plans on losing.

No impeaching / Yes war crimes trial
No war / Yes War
Flip / Flop

315 nyc redneck  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:12:30pm

hussein is starting to get a bit boring.

316 Perplexed  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 5:32:25pm

Hmmmm, Barry is in some real trouble when all of the special interest groups that funded him demand an accounting. He might attempt an end run to establish martial law, but I seriously doubt our military would go along with martial law and all that it entails (sic). While presidents wield considerable power they have severe limitations on exercising that power. With Congress' ratings in the toilet we might see a shift in power to the Republicans in either the house or senate.
What ever happens will be interesting.

317 swamprat  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 6:28:41pm

Pollster;Sir! Your aproval ratings are falling! People with IQs over 80 and ages over 35 are falling away!

B H Obama; Hmmm. Maybe if I chat up the gullible and the stupid?

Pollster;(calculating on cellphone)......That just might do it!

318 americanmale[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 8:16:19pm
319 norar  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 12:51:09am
He has to say this, whether it’s true or not.

I believe that if elected that is what Obama will do indeed. He is pretty incompetent in everything but manipulating MSM (and even in this he is successful only because MSM is willing to be manipulated by him). As most incompetent "leaders" he will have to find issues and boggy men to replace the real issues like economy etc. So seeing his tricks now, I would not put beyond him to use BDS to his advantage, and I have no doubt MSM will go along with him bashing Bush and Co, rather than criticising Obama for his incompetence.

320 grumpy old codger  Wed, Apr 16, 2008 8:09:12am

re: #127 Occasional Reader
Food is a crutch!

321 Macker  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:10:45pm

re: #22 EE

BO would run America banana-republic-style, maybe like those countries where when one ruler comes into office, his predecessor and his predecessor's associates are all put into jail.

Start taking those Stalin-type and Lenin-type posters of Obama seriously. We may be in for a purge whose dimensions cannot even yet be imagined.

Like this one?


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