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Rubin: Could There Be an Islamic Revolution in Turkey?

Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:54:35 am PDT

Michael Rubin on a little-known Turkish Islamist living in the US while pulling strings in Istanbul, and preparing to make a Khomeini-esque grand return to Turkey: Could there be an Islamic Revolution in Turkey?

Few U.S. policymakers have heard of Fethullah Gülen, perhaps Turkey’s most prominent theologian and political thinker. Self-exiled for more than a decade, Gülen lives a reclusive life outside Philadelphia, Pa. Within months, however, he may be as much a household a name in the United States as is Ayatollah Khomeini, a man who was as obscure to most Americans up until his triumphant return to Iran almost 30 years ago.

Many academics and journalists embrace Gülen and applaud his stated vision welding Islam with tolerance and a pro-European outlook. Supporters describe him as progressive. In 2003, the University of Texas honored him as a “peaceful hero,” alongside Martin Luther King Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, and the Dalai Lama. Last October, the British House of Lords and several British diplomats celebrated Gülen at a high-profile London conference. Later this year, Georgetown University scholar John Esposito will host a conference dedicated to the movement. As in 2001, Esposito will cosponsor with the Rumi Forum, an organization Gülen serves as honorary president.

The Gülen movement controls charities, real estate, companies, and more than a thousand schools internationally. According to some estimates, the Gülen Movement controls several billion dollars. The movement claims its own universities, unions, lobbies, student groups, radio and television stations, and the Zaman newspaper. Turkish officials concede that Gülen’s followers in Turkey number more than a million; Gülen’s backers claim that number is just the tip of the iceberg. Today, Gülen members dominate the Turkish police and divisions within the interior ministry. Under the stewardship of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, one of Gülen’s most prominent sympathizers, tens of thousands of other Gülen supporters have entered the Turkish bureaucracy. ...

His slate wiped clean, Gülen has indicated he may soon return to Turkey.

If he does, Istanbul 2008 may very well look like Tehran 1979. Just as Gülen’s supporters affirm his altruistic intentions and see no inconsistency between a secretive, cell-based movement and transparent governance, too many Western journalists also give Gülen a free pass.

If this sounds familiar, it should: Three decades ago, the same phenomenon marked coverage of Iran. “I don’t want to be the leader of the Islamic Republic; I don’t want to have the government or power in my hands,” Khomeini told a credulous Austrian television reporter during the ayatollah’s brief sojourn in Paris. In November 1978, Steven Erlanger, the future New York Times foreign correspondent, penned a New Republic essay arguing that Khomeini’s vision for Iran was essentially a “Platonic Republic with a grand ayatollah as a philosopher-king,” and predicting the triumph of an independent liberal left worried more about labor conditions in Iran’s oil fields than pursuing any theological tendency.

In Tehran then as in Ankara now, U.S. ambassadors preferred garden parties with the political elite and maintained contacts with only a narrow segment of the population. They were blind. As the State Department and Central Intelligence Agency remained clueless or belittled concerns about Khomeini’s intentions, millions of Iranians turned out to greet their Imam at Tehran’s international airport. Turks now say that similar crowds might greet Gülen when his plane touches down in Istanbul.

Scary stuff. Read the whole thing.

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1 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:56:09am

Turkey is ripe for the next battle for the Caliphate.

2 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:56:22am
3 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:57:29am

The Economist had a great piece on this man about 2 weeks ago; I posted a link then. I'll find it again.....

4 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:57:30am

Fortunately they are a member of NATO

/

5 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:57:32am

I wonder where outside of Philadelphia he lives. I have a right to know if the world's next islamanutter dictator is my neighbor!

6 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:58:25am

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

Anytime the academy honors someone as "a peaceful hero," it is probable that s/he is either a mass murderer, or a mass murderer in the making.

Hey, now that's not fair. Sometimes they merely urge on mass murderers.

7 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:58:53am

It's all about Turkey's military.

8 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:58:57am

I wonder how Pres. Obama will respond.

9 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:59:02am

re: #3 Grammy Cracker

The Economist had a great piece on this man about 2 weeks ago; I posted a link then. I'll find it again.....

Here it is:

Global Muslim networks....

10 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 9:59:13am

I posted this to the dead thread spinoff links yesterday.

11 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:00:40am

re: #9 Grammy Cracker

Here it is:

Global Muslim networks....

Yep, same story, except that I saw it in the National Review.

12 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:00:45am
13 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:00:54am

I have a couple of Facebook friends in Turkey. Hope they stay safe!

14 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:01:33am
15 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:02:11am
16 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:02:42am

He's in the US?

But....but...but....Whites....hatred.......color.. ....oppression......mean....

17 maddogg  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:02:53am
Could there be an Islamic revolution in Turkey?

Yes, but it will never be as popular as corn bread dressing.

18 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:02:54am

re: #11 Honorary Yooper

Yep, same story, except that I saw it in the National Review.

Seems our media is a little slow picking up the story; The Economist ran its piece on March 6th.

/not that I consider NR to be MSM!

19 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:04:07am

Who's he voting for in the Pennsylvania Democrat primary?

20 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:04:20am

re: #16 Ben Hur

He's in the US?

But....but...but....Whites....hatred.... ...color......oppression......mean....

and...and...and...we're clinging to our guns and our fear of furiners!

/Um, might be a wise strategy in this case

21 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:04:45am

re: #18 Grammy Cracker

Seems our media is a little slow picking up the story; The Economist ran its piece on March 6th.

/not that I consider NR to be MSM!

Either way, I won't expect this to be in USA Today, much less the New York Times.

22 winston06  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:05:45am

Turkey is another lost cause...

23 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:05:53am

re: #21 Honorary Yooper

Either way, I won't expect this to be in USA Today, much less the New York Times.

Of course not! Where would they put the stories about Britney Spears' latest melt down if they took up valuable space with hard news?

24 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:06:20am

Ataturk is rolling in his grave.

25 Iron Fist  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:06:25am

Fortunately, Islam is a Religion of Peace™. This could be quite bad if Islam were a Religion of Submission®.

26 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:07:07am
27 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:07:18am

re: #25 Iron Fist

Fortunately, Islam is a Religion of Peace™. This could be quite bad if Islam were a Religion of Submission®.

You're right.

Sharia would bring order.

And solve that little Joo problem.

Mmmm.....Something to consider here and all of Europe!

28 Opinionated  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:09:06am

Where there are a lot of Muslims, there could at any minute be:

1 An Islamic revoution.
2 A woman killed for an "honor" crime
3 Outrage
4 Outrage plus riot
5 Jimmy Carter showing up to kiss some ass
6 Crap you can't even imagine
7 All of the above

29 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:09:29am

re: #26 JammieWearingFool

Some images.

Here he is w/Pope John Paul II.

And here's the Pope with Arafat.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Just in case you were saying, "Hey! Here he is with the Pope! REvolt away my Pope loving friend!"

But I don't think you were.

30 usmc1968  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:10:00am

Well, the threads are moving fast. To fast for me, but I try to keep up at my age. The only cure for getting old is :dying young:

31 Iron Fist  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:10:01am

re: #27 Ben Hur,

Turkey could be the lead domino that brings down all of Eurabia. It is a frightening possibility. And not one that we can do a lot about until we admit the true nature of Islam.

And begin to act accordingly.

32 Charlie Martel  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:10:02am

sigh...I hate muslims, I really really do. I don't care what that makes me look like either.

33 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:10:14am
34 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:10:44am

re: #29 Ben Hur

And here's the Pope with Arafat.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Just in case you were saying, "Hey! Here he is with the Pope! REvolt away my Pope loving friend!"

But I don't think you were.

No, I was more like whoa, what's JPII doing with this guy?

35 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:11:02am

re: #31 Iron Fist

,

Turkey could be the lead domino that brings down all of Eurabia. It is a frightening possibility. And not one that we can do a lot about until we admit the true nature of Islam.

And begin to act accordingly.

The Turkish military would never let it happen.

Gobble gobble!

36 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:11:28am

I prefer this Turkey.

37 Iron Fist  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:11:36am

re: #30 usmc1968,

Live fast, die young = great looking corpse.

Live young, die fast = fucked up corpse.

:-)

38 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:11:36am

re: #32 Charlie Martel


You know full well.....

39 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:11:55am

re: #34 JammieWearingFool

Thought so!

40 bulwrk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:12:03am

I'm not worried I've heard the Pope will announce his plans for a new crusades to reclaim Constantinople in his U.N. speech this week.

41 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:12:30am

re: #26 JammieWearingFool

Are we sure he's not a poor mountaineer barely keeping his family fed?

42 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:12:36am

OK, so... If this dude lives in the United States, just outside of Philly, why wouldn't it be imperative for the US, in the name of National Security interests, 'take care' of this character before he can amass a following and power?

43 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:12:38am

Isn't bacon_eating kaffir in Turkey?

44 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:12:58am

re: #34 JammieWearingFool

No, I was more like whoa, what's JPII doing with this guy?

May a non-Catholic offer the opinion that neither of them is worthy of mention in the same sentence the Pope (ANY Pope), let alone a face-to-face meeting?

45 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:13:00am

Re: djimmi John Esposito of Catholic University's projihadi activities:

Pope Benedict is supposedly trying to quash these marxist/liberation theologists operating out of Catholic schools, during his US visit which starts today.

Yank these yoots out by their roots!

This Pope sees islamization everyday, outside his Vatican window & knows the score is not good.

46 maddogg  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:13:21am

re: #36 MandyManners

I prefer this Turkey.

That is some fine pikkin'.

47 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:13:41am

re: #19 JammieWearingFool

Who's he voting for in the Pennsylvania Democrat primary?

Come on Jammie... He's a far right Conservative, dontcha know! Just like Ayatollah's.

48 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:14:05am

re: #39 Ben Hur

Thought so!

Popes obviously meet with almost anyone.

A nephew of mine has an audience with Benedict this weekend when he's in the NY area. Should be an interesting experience for the lad.

49 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:14:19am

re: #46 maddogg

That is some fine pikkin'.

Yes, it is. (I spent 13 minutes or so looking for a good one.)

50 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:14:49am

re: #48 JammieWearingFool

Popes obviously meet with almost anyone.

A nephew of mine has an audience with Benedict this weekend when he's in the NY area. Should be an interesting experience for the lad.


I'm trying to get myself in the synagogue to hear him speak.

I know peeps.

Or at least I thought I did.

51 Charlie Martel  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:15:18am

re: #38 Ben Hur

.....yes?

52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:15:24am

This would be a bloodbath which would almost have to drag in NATO and the EU.

53 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:15:26am

re: #46 maddogg

That is some fine pikkin'.

Another.

54 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:15:36am

re: #4 incanus

Fortunately they are a member of NATO

/

* * *
Turkey cost us US lives, treasure & time in 2003 and later, because they wouldn't let our military enter Iraq through Turkey. They deserve no thanks--for not helping us liberate Iraq, they deserve discomfort & chickens come home to roost.

55 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:15:57am

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This would be a bloodbath which would almost have to drag in NATO and the EU.

Almost?

56 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:16:04am

Better keep an eye on him.

57 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:16:17am

re: #26 JammieWearingFool

Some images.

Here he is w/Pope John Paul II.

The guy looks like Ataturk

58 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:16:22am

re: #36 MandyManners

I prefer this Turkey.

This turkey would be my preference...

59 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:16:38am

re: #54 alegrias

* * *
Turkey cost us US lives, treasure & time in 2003 and later, because they wouldn't let our military enter Iraq through Turkey. They deserve no thanks--for not helping us liberate Iraq, they deserve discomfort & chickens come home to roost.

And, we rewarded them by letting them go after Kurds.

60 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:17:02am

re: #54 alegrias

Hey now... Watch it with that statement... Are you Jeremiah Wright?

61 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:17:04am

re: #51 Charlie Martel

.....yes?


sigh...I hate muslims, I really really do. I don't care what that makes me look like either.

As in ALL Muslims?

You know what it makes you look like.

C'mon, you can say it.

62 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:17:44am

re: #58 Grammy Cracker

This turkey would be my preference...

Can't have a hoe-down with that. (I get sleepy just looking at it. It's oozing tryptophans.)

63 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:17:46am

One more time: Ataturk

64 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:18:20am
When Islamists pursue campaigns of hatred, Western officials not only pretend nothing is amiss but also, as in the case of Palestinian leaders, often increase their support. This week Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will address the judicial case against Erdogan and the AKP. Members of her staff suggest she will lend subtle support to the prime minister.

Oh, crap.

65 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:18:34am

re: #62 MandyManners

Can't have a hoe-down with that. (I get sleepy just looking at it. It's oozing tryptophans.)

We could eat mine, then dance off the calories by listening to yours!?

66 Jinx  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:19:07am

And with the theological takeover, how many kurds will be put to the sword? And will the western world care about another attempt at genocide?

67 Charlie Martel  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:19:13am

re: #61 Ben Hur


I'm a... iz lom o fobe ik?

68 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:19:29am

I'm not quite sure what to make of this. I read the full article to which Charles linked, and I read the article to which Yooper linked. Sounds like they are talking about two different guys. Looking at the photos in Jammie's link, he scarcely looks like the typical mad mullah.

If Gulen is indeed a radical Islamist, he's certainly operating in deep cover. I find myself wondering if perhaps the radical Islamists are infiltrating his organization within Turkey for their own ends.

At least Turkey has a secular military which can and hopefully will step in if Islamic radicals try to seize power.

69 usmc1968  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:19:34am

re: #61 Ben Hur


I'll say it for him = PISSED =

70 maddogg  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:19:35am

re: #53 MandyManners

Excellent! I love the banjo, steel guitar, and mandolin.

(must be my backwoods southern hillbilly genes, right Barry?)

71 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:19:39am

Now for my favorite joke:

If France were to invade Turkey from the rear, do you think Greece would be helpful?

72 Charlie Martel  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:20:42am

re: #71 Ringo the Gringo


R O T F L M A O!

73 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:21:08am

France, invade? Yeah, that's friggin' hilarious!

74 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:21:20am

re: #67 Charlie Martel

I'm a... iz lom o fobe ik?


Well, if you don't include secular-pro-Western, what you and I would consider "normal" Muslims in your hatred, that would suffice.

Of course I made an ass out of myself sounding out what you wrote!

75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:21:26am

re: #55 MandyManners

Almost?

Unless the Turks kill them all first. Depends on who gets the upper hand first.

76 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:22:00am

They key difference is that unlike Iran Turkey has a long tradition of military intervention to prevent Islam taking hold in politics. IIRC it happens about every 30 years or so. The military is fiercely secular and I don't think that has changed.

77 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:22:09am

re: #68 Alberta Oil Peon

At least Turkey has a secular military which can and hopefully will step in if Islamic radicals try to seize power.

I believe that was Ataturk's strategy. Let's hope the military hasn't been infiltrated too.

78 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:22:33am

re: #65 Grammy Cracker

We could eat mine, then dance off the calories by listening to yours!?

Can't hoe-down with that in us! We'll eat yours later.

79 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:23:44am

re: #76 Killgore Trout

They key difference is that unlike Iran Turkey has a long tradition of military intervention to prevent Islam taking hold in politics. IIRC it happens about every 30 years or so. The military is fiercely secular and I don't think that has changed.

* * *
Except this time, Islamists are Turkey's ruling party.

80 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:23:59am

re: #45 alegrias

I can name one parish pastor he can defrock for being a liberation theologian, and this idiot hosted Jeremiah Wright in his church too: Fr. Michael Pfeger of St. Sabina, south side of Chicago.

81 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:24:23am

re: #79 alegrias

* * *
Except this time, Islamists are Turkey's ruling party.


Meaningless.

The army is ready to take over at the drop of a fez.

82 maddogg  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:24:30am

Mandy! hyears un fer yew:)

83 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:24:56am

re: #78 MandyManners

Can't hoe-down with that in us! We'll eat yours later.

'kay, we'll do it your way...

/Dance, eat or eat, dance - it's all good!

84 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:25:20am

re: #81 Ben Hur

Meaningless.

The army is ready to take over at the drop of a fez.

Let's hope they are still as secular as they have been in the past.

85 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:25:38am

re: #84 Honorary Yooper

Let's hope they are still as secular as they have been in the past.


Effen A.

86 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:25:50am

re: #70 maddogg

Excellent! I love the banjo, steel guitar, and mandolin.

(must be my backwoods southern hillbilly genes, right Barry?)

Bet you like guns and church.

87 Charlie Martel  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:26:01am

re: #74 Ben Hur


I'm sorry, my first post was a gut reaction from reading the article. I don't hate all muslims. But even if I did, I wouldn't be islamophobic.
Islamophobia, by definition, is the fear of Islam or Muslims. If I saw one of these Jihadis face to face, I would take him on, not run and hide like so many other people would.

88 BulgarWheat  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:27:21am

re: #30 usmc1968

good to see you, Marine! Damn good to see you!

89 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:27:27am

re: #86 MandyManners

Bet you like guns and church.

Weeeeee doggies! Thems all some big fun!

90 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:27:35am

re: #80 Honorary Yooper

* * *
Let the purge of marxists wearing faux clerical garb begin!

PS, Yooper, on another thread you called Francisco Franco a CHANGE agent, and i refuted that, because he was an ANTI-communist, anti-marxist defender of Spanish culture, traditions, and freedom FROM Stalin-sent internationalist atheism.

91 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:28:47am

re: #87 Charlie Martel

I'm sorry, my first post was a gut reaction from reading the article. I don't hate all muslims. But even if I did, I wouldn't be islamophobic.
Islamophobia, by definition, is the fear of Islam or Muslims. If I saw one of these Jihadis face to face, I would take him on, not run and hide like so many other people would.

92 usmc1968  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:29:02am

re: #88 BulgarWheat

Thanks, good to still be above ground.

93 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:29:03am

re: #81 Ben Hur

Meaningless.

The army is ready to take over at the drop of a fez.

* * *
Are you sure Turkey's army won't "disappearance" into thin air at the rate of a Baghdad Bob?

94 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:29:25am

re: #82 maddogg

Mandy! hyears un fer yew:)

First time I heard that, I was hanging out with a good ol' boy from Vidalia, GA, in the 2/75th at Ft. Lewis. Brings back some awesome memories!

95 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:29:34am

Gotta run to the post office, lest I risk a visit from some friendly folks from the IRS....

/BBL

96 BulgarWheat  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:29:55am

re: #92 usmc1968

There's way too many asses yet to be kicked.

97 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:29:56am

re: #87 Charlie Martel

I'm sorry, my first post was a gut reaction from reading the article. I don't hate all muslims. But even if I did, I wouldn't be islamophobic.
Islamophobia, by definition, is the fear of Islam or Muslims. If I saw one of these Jihadis face to face, I would take him on, not run and hide like so many other people would.

OK.

Let's try that again:

Not with a nic like that you wouldn't!

Statements with "all muslims" put us (and Charles) in a bad light with the lurkers.

No biggie.

I'm in a mood.

98 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:29:57am

re: #83 Grammy Cracker

'kay, we'll do it your way...

/Dance, eat or eat, dance - it's all good!

Who's bringing the liquor?

99 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:30:53am

re: #93 alegrias

* * *
Are you sure Turkey's army won't "disappearance" into thin air at the rate of a Baghdad Bob?


The Turkish military is far superior to what Saddam had. And to what Iran has.

Iran couldn't defeat Saddam.

100 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:31:11am

re: #81 Ben Hur

Meaningless.

The army is ready to take over at the drop of a fez.

Maybe, maybe not. The Turkish army is not the formidable political force it once was. The officer corp has been infiltrated by the Islamists. If it comes time to act, the army may act, but maybe in favor of the Islamists.

BTW, Erdogan's party was hugely funded by the Saudis. Their tentacles are everywhere!

101 maddogg  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:31:12am

re: #86 MandyManners

Bet you like guns and church.

Guns I love, Church not so much, but I respect those who do.

102 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:31:27am

re: #98 MandyManners

Who's bringing the liquor?

There's plenty of wine here, but the evening drinking-thread booze hounds have depleted my liquor supply! LOL

103 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:32:21am
104 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:32:27am

re: #89 Grammy Cracker

Weeeeee doggies! Thems all some big fun!

Just not at the same time!

105 akak  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:32:36am

shocked

It's just a matter of setting up an office pool on where next...

107 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:33:15am

re: #100 Kenneth

Maybe, maybe not. The Turkish army is not the formidable political force it once was. The officer corp has been infiltrated by the Islamists. If it comes time to act, the army may act, but maybe in favor of the Islamists.

BTW, Erdogan's party was hugely funded by the Saudis. Their tentacles are everywhere!

Valid point. The latest jihadi offensive started in the 90's. They could've infiltrated - obviously SOME probably are. But over all I think not.

Regarding Saudi: Tentacles, yes. Testacles, no.

108 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:33:39am

re: #102 Grammy Cracker

There's plenty of wine here, but the evening drinking-thread booze hounds have depleted my liquor supply! LOL

Wine at a hoe-down?

109 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:33:57am

re: #100 Kenneth

Maybe, maybe not. The Turkish army is not the formidable political force it once was. The officer corp has been infiltrated by the Islamists. If it comes time to act, the army may act, but maybe in favor of the Islamists.

BTW, Erdogan's party was hugely funded by the Saudis. Their tentacles are everywhere!

* * *
Turkey could be Pakistan on Europe's periphery, oh my!
Even Musharraf the good guy, couldn't keep it together, given his whole army was rotten.

110 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:35:21am

re: #106 Kenneth

"Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula?"

* * *
When the Caliphate comes, free arugula in every pot!

111 usmc1968  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:35:37am

re: #96 BulgarWheat

There was a time I could kick ass and take names, but--that time has passed.

112 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:36:18am

re: #90 alegrias

* * *
Let the purge of marxists wearing faux clerical garb begin!

PS, Yooper, on another thread you called Francisco Franco a CHANGE agent, and i refuted that, because he was an ANTI-communist, anti-marxist defender of Spanish culture, traditions, and freedom FROM Stalin-sent internationalist atheism.

I saw your answer, and I commented later. The Falange did overthrow the republic and were for a "corporate state" while doing all the above.

113 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:37:13am

re: #108 MandyManners

Wine at a hoe-down?

...drinkin' it straight from the box, y'know...

JAFLW

114 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:37:18am

re: #107 Ben Hur

The Turkish military has good relations with the Israeli military. I'm sure they are keeping a very close eye on this problem.

115 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:38:10am

Looking on the bright side,

A President Hillary will also go a long way to defeating the popular delusion that a world ruled by female humans would be heaven-on-earth. It would be more like one of those chaotic single-parent households in Section-8 housing, ruled by a harried and distracted mom, with a shadowy man in the background molesting the little ones while she was off working at the WalMart.

116 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:39:58am

re: #113 Just Another Four-letter Word

...drinkin' it straight from the box, y'know...

JAFLW

*swoon*

117 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:40:56am

re: #8 MandyManners

I wonder how Pres. Obama will respond.

Respond?......don't be silly ;~)

118 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:42:13am

Iraq’s Moment of Truth in Baghdad and Basra

Iraqi PM Nouri al-Maliki has been presented with a golden opportunity to build on political cohesion and bolster the rule of law by dismantling the Mahdi Army.

119 Charlie Martel  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:42:37am

re: #97 Ben Hur


I'm sorry, Ben, Charles and all. I'm in kind of a mood too.

120 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:43:27am

re: #115 Kenneth

I can't speak for other mothers but, I'd make an excellent POTUS. I don't want to see The Kid killed in combat so, I'd go in with utterly overwhelming force until every last pocket of resistance is flattened, scorched and obliterated. No pussy-footing around. No jaw-jaw. No quarter.

121 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:43:34am

re: #106 Kenneth

"Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula?"

Obama goes to Whole Foods? Do the unions know this? Whole Foods is the nation's second largest non-union food retailer behind the "evil" Walmart.

Besides, anyone with a functioning neuron would know that Whole Foods prices are often outrageously high - higher than other nearby supermarkets by a significant margin.

122 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:44:33am

re: #117 eschew_obfuscation

Respond?......don't be silly ;~)

I was thinking of a repetition of 1979, with U.S. hostages and all that.

123 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:45:17am

re: #121 lawhawk

Is the fact that WF Market is non-union one of the reasons why it is consistently near the top of the list of 'Best Places to Work'?

124 deacon  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:45:36am

I have family in Istanbul, and this is a big concern of theirs. They are Greeks, and most of the Greeks have already been driven out of Turkey as the Islamists slowly take over.

125 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:45:48am

The Arab Spring Is Happening Now

T

he Cedar Revolution in Lebanon, elections in Egypt, reform in Turkey — the democratic promises of 2005 did not fail to materialize. They just took three years to arrive.

...Islamist societies in the Arab world are, somewhat predictably, imploding. Unable to achieve satisfactory levels of governance, services, and safety, radical Muslim leaders are being rejected by citizens who simply want a livable existence. Some politicians see the writing on the wall and are attempting to recalibrate their versions of Islamic rule. Nations such as Iran will find themselves less favored by neighboring democracies and under increasing pressure to bend toward the will of their people. However their weapons programs may necessitate Western military intervention in advance of any such shift.

126 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:46:41am

Yeah, 1979.

127 zmdavid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:46:49am
Self-exiled for more than a decade, Gülen lives a reclusive life outside Philadelphia, Pa.


How far outside Philadelphia? In a small town maybe? Maybe he's one of the bitter people clinging to guns and God Obama is talking about.
/
Actually the bitter people clinging to guns and God is how liberation theologians view religion. I'll bet Rev. Wright has a gun, and he sure is bitter.

128 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:49:45am

re: #121 lawhawk

Obama goes to Whole Foods? Do the unions know this? Whole Foods is the nation's second largest non-union food retailer behind the "evil" Walmart.

Besides, anyone with a functioning neuron would know that Whole Foods prices are often outrageously high - higher than other nearby supermarkets by a significant margin.

Whole Foods is where yuppies pretending to be health conscious folks who only shop organic shop. Doesn't matter where you are. And yes, their prices are appalling in comparison to other small local co-ops where you can buy fresh, local gourmet organic stuff.

/I'm not sure I've ever seen $99 a pound ham.

129 pat  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:50:08am

I have been reading about this character for years. He is a wolf is sheep's clothing. Waiting to strike at Turkey, where he will likely receive the Khommeni Parade 9watch the military tho) and then at the USA which gave him refuge.

130 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:50:30am

re: #128 galloping granny

Whole Foods is where yuppies pretending to be health conscious folks who only shop organic shop. Doesn't matter where you are. And yes, their prices are appalling in comparison to other small local co-ops where you can buy fresh, local gourmet organic stuff.

/I'm not sure I've ever seen $99 a pound ham.

I stick to Trader Joe's for my 'Yuppie Lovin' organic food experience...

131 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:50:52am

re: #120 MandyManners

I can't speak for other mothers but, I'd make an excellent POTUS. I don't want to see The Kid killed in combat so, I'd go in with utterly overwhelming force until every last pocket of resistance is flattened, scorched and obliterated. No pussy-footing around. No jaw-jaw. No quarter.

Al-Sadr's head would've been on a pike in Baghdad the very second he became a problem if I'd been POTUS.

132 pat  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:51:18am

Farmer John sells ham for $.99. :)

133 mean Gene  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:51:24am

Well, Rubin lays it out, plain as day.
Is anyone in State Dept listening?
I really would hate to see dar al islam expand anymore than it already has over the earth.
But it looks to be doing just that.
Toward the south in Africa.
Up from the south in Thailand.
Now northward into Europe.
(Who was it the other day who talked about three options for Europe?
One was Islamization, the second was accomodation and the third was deportation.)

134 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:51:28am

re: #120 MandyManners

I can't speak for other mothers but, I'd make an excellent POTUS. I don't want to see The Kid killed in combat so, I'd go in with utterly overwhelming force until every last pocket of resistance is flattened, scorched and obliterated. No pussy-footing around. No jaw-jaw. No quarter.

And you have lots of practice at doing more than one thing at a time, know when you are being lied to and have better sense than to monkey around on the desk in the Oval Office.

135 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:51:43am

re: #131 MandyManners

Amen Mandy... It's almost comical that this thug has been allowed to survive...

136 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:53:56am

re: #128 galloping granny

Personally I don't get Whole Foods. They have all this high priced organic crap and then they sell greasy ribs and all in their take out section. Now I got nothing against either the progressive healthy food ( except some of it tastes like plastic ) or the delicious unhealthy meat, but how do the 2 go together? Are yuppies hypocrites? Yeah I know, a rhetorical question.

137 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:54:30am
138 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:55:13am

re: #119 Charlie Martel

I'm sorry, Ben, Charles and all. I'm in kind of a mood too.


You and me both, yachi.

139 DownRightMeanAmerican  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:55:35am

re: #128 galloping granny

Whole Foods is where yuppies pretending to be health conscious folks who only shop organic shop. Doesn't matter where you are. And yes, their prices are appalling in comparison to other small local co-ops where you can buy fresh, local gourmet organic stuff.

/I'm not sure I've ever seen $99 a pound ham.

No discourtesy to anyone who shops at Whole Foods or places like it, but I find these places loaded with the slowest people on the planet, they all look confused and wander about aimlessly, I say thank God for pesticides as I head to the regular supermarket.

140 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:55:35am

re: #137 Ben Hur

Saudi Cleric Omar Al-Sweilem Extols the Breasts and Thighs of the Black-Eyed Virgins of Paradise

Then little Achmed pinched a tent.


No Nivea?

No vaseline?!?!?!?!

141 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:57:50am

re: #136 Nevergiveup

I don't get the appeal of Whole Foods or Trader Joe's for that matter. I don't have either in my neighborhood, and the nearest one is further than the nearest Costco (which is also too far, IMHO).

142 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:57:51am

re: #136 Nevergiveup

Personally I don't get Whole Foods. They have all this high priced organic crap and then they sell greasy ribs and all in their take out section. Now I got nothing against either the progressive healthy food ( except some of it tastes like plastic ) or the delicious unhealthy meat, but how do the 2 go together? Are yuppies hypocrites? Yeah I know, a rhetorical question.

The whole schtick is a marketing ploy. Just because something is labeled "Organic" does not mean it is one whit healthier.

143 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:59:08am

re: #134 galloping granny

And you have lots of practice at doing more than one thing at a time, know when you are being lied to and have better sense than to monkey around on the desk in the Oval Office.

The thing is, I hate seeing people get killed so, the best way to keep down the fatalities is to kill as many as needed up front.

144 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:59:09am
145 usmc1968  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 10:59:52am

re: #142 galloping granny

"Organic" = some kind of mammal SHIT!

146 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:00:41am

re: #135 tfc3rid

Amen Mandy... It's almost comical that this thug has been allowed to survive...

I just don't understand. Maybe there's something going on of which I am ignorant. But, I know that gutting him early would've saved a lot of lives.

147 wolfie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:00:45am

re: #45 alegrias

Re: djimmi John Esposito of Catholic University's projihadi activities:

Pope Benedict is supposedly trying to quash these marxist/liberation theologists operating out of Catholic schools, during his US visit which starts today.

Yank these yoots out by their roots!

This Pope sees islamization everyday, outside his Vatican window & knows the score is not good.

John Esposito is at Georgetown, not at Catholic University. Georgetown, needless to say, is only nominally Catholic, whereas Catholic U. actually is more or less Catholic.

148 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:00:52am

re: #140 Ben Hur

and he said it all with a straight face...that's what's so funny!

149 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:01:26am

Organic is good.

We need less 5'5" 8 year old girls with 34 Bs.

150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:01:42am

re: #144 Ben Hur

Carter: Arafat fought for just causes

Egon's gone bye bye.

Think I just threw up in my mouth a little

151 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:01:54am

re: #148 paxnhymn

and he said it all with a straight face...that's what's so funny!


Now THAT was funny!

152 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:03:01am

re: #149 Ben Hur

Organic is good.

We need less 5'5" 8 year old girls with 34 Bs.

I prefer inorganic food. Silicon chips and granite flakes for everyone!

153 bulwrk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:03:18am

re: #143 MandyManners

War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.
William Tecumseh Sherman

154 zmdavid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:03:22am

What exactly is inorganic food? Rocks?

155 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:03:24am
156 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:03:25am

re: #151 Ben Hur

Now THAT was funny!

like an old drill seargent used to yell...."stand erect!"

:-D

157 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:04:01am

re: #155 Ben Hur

Reports: Carter Hugs, Kisses Hamas Official in West Bank Meeting

Which one is going to make the tiger noises?

158 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:04:05am

re: #143 MandyManners

The thing is, I hate seeing people get killed so, the best way to keep down the fatalities is to kill as many as needed up front.

I agree with you. I have always been one to feel that a ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Put the battle off and you'll fight it anyway on a much more intense level. Goes for kids and goes for governments too. But then I am the bull by the horns sort rather than a pussy footing round the bush sort.

159 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:04:21am

re: #144 Ben Hur

Carter: Arafat fought for just causes

Egon's gone bye bye.

G-D I just hope they give this piece of shit a prominent seat and role at the democratic convention in Denver.

160 gop_patriot  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:04:27am

re: #144 Ben Hur

Carter: Arafat fought for just causes

Egon's gone bye bye.

What a disgusting person. I cannot fathom the amount of self-delusion he lives under.

/and LOL @ the Ghostbuster's reference

161 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:04:32am

Crosspost as the dead thread is indeed dead:

"Good" news from oklahoma.

When a psycho killer shows up on campus, seconds count.

So, police train to be more effective when they show up minutes later.

Now, WE can't defend ourselves, but we can serve as fodder in a rising body count until the police get there.

To the left, that is preferred. Better a dead victim than a living defender.

162 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:04:51am

re: #154 zmdavid

What exactly is inorganic food? Rocks?

exactly..if organic means carbon based, then you would only be eating inorganic if you were suckin' on a tube of bathtub caulk!

163 wolfie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:05:02am

re: #120 MandyManners

I can't speak for other mothers but, I'd make an excellent POTUS. I don't want to see The Kid killed in combat so, I'd go in with utterly overwhelming force until every last pocket of resistance is flattened, scorched and obliterated. No pussy-footing around. No jaw-jaw. No quarter.

Make sure we don't blow this thing in Iraq and end up in a huge war where our children will die in the 10's of thousands...at best.
As my nephew (currently in Iraq) told me after he volunteered, "One reason I'm doing this is so 1000's of others won't have to later on."

164 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:05:31am

re: #153 bulwrk

War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.
William Tecumseh Sherman

Be there first with the most.

Nathan Bedford Forrest.

165 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:05:57am

re: #144 Ben Hur

Carter says that Israel is dodging its obligations under Annapolis.

Heh. The PA and the Palestinians in general have been dodging their obligations under Oslo since 1994. The vitriol and incitement to violence against Israel is a ritual in their media and mosques. Fatah continues to support the al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade - a wholly owned subsidiary terror group that carries out attacks to provide some measure of plausible deniability for Abbas and Fatah, despite the fact that the AAMB answers to Fatah.

Hamas and Fatah both refuse to change their charters that call for Israel's destruction. They can't even get past the symbolic stuff. They want Israel's destruction. Pure and simple.

Carter still can't and wont see that because to him it's all about Israel's affronts (real or perceived).

166 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:06:14am

re: #162 paxnhymn

exactly..if organic means carbon based, then you would only be eating inorganic if you were suckin' on a tube of bathtub caulk!

With mustard and a Bud, it doesn't taste half bad!

167 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:06:21am
Few U.S. policymakers have heard of Fethullah Gülen, perhaps Turkey’s most prominent theologian and political thinker. Self-exiled for more than a decade, Gülen lives a reclusive life outside Philadelphia, Pa. Within months, however, he may be as much a household a name in the United States as is Ayatollah Khomeini, a man who was as obscure to most Americans up until his triumphant return to Iran almost 30 years ago.

Is he one of those small-town Pennsylvania guys who's bitter, and clings to guns and religion?

168 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:06:31am
169 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:07:00am

re: #159 Nevergiveup

If Obama is the nominee, count on it - but it's much worse than that given that Obama's foreign policy team is essentially Carter's foreign policy team. Yes, it is that bad.

170 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:07:09am

re: #154 zmdavid

What exactly is inorganic food? Rocks?

Organic or inorganic refers to the kinds of fertilizers and chemicals that are applied to the crops.

171 akak  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:07:19am

so Lionheart was arrested for racial hatred?

172 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:07:22am

re: #168 Ben Hur

London Olympics Organizers Mull British-Only Torch Relay

British only?!?!?!?!

RACISTS!

I'd go on a "Rev. Wright" rant, but as it turns out, I'm a christian, so I don't like calling for God to damn things.

173 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:07:27am

re: #144 Ben Hur

Carter: Arafat fought for just causes

Egon's gone bye bye.

What "just causes"? Boning young boys?

174 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:07:42am

re: #173 Ward Cleaver

What "just causes"? Boning young boys?

and goats.

175 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:08:26am

re: #147 wolfie

John Esposito is at Georgetown, not at Catholic University. Georgetown, needless to say, is only nominally Catholic, whereas Catholic U. actually is more or less Catholic.

* * *
Wolfie, thanks for catching that--of course Esposito's embrace of jihadis (and their mega-oilbucks) is fouling up Georgetown U the Jesuit school.

It's a disgrace catholic schools for USA children are closing due to lack of funds and people falling away from Western faiths, while madrassas grow.

176 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:08:48am

re: #168 Ben Hur

London Olympics Organizers Mull British-Only Torch Relay

British only?!?!?!?!

RACISTS!

Well, I think they mean with in the realm of the old English Empire,;therefor, it pretty much includes the whole known world. Britannia rules the seas. Long live the Queen!

177 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:08:49am

re: #164 MandyManners


"Nathan Bedford Forrest."

unfortunately not a safe person to quote nowadays...he meant well, but his legacy was usurped.

178 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:08:59am

re: #161 LanceKates

Crosspost as the dead thread is indeed dead:

"Good" news from oklahoma.

When a psycho killer shows up on campus, seconds count.

So, police train to be more effective when they show up minutes later.

Now, WE can't defend ourselves, but we can serve as fodder in a rising body count until the police get there.

To the left, that is preferred. Better a dead victim than a living defender.

Look at the new gun law in Florida. It allows people to carry guns with them basically at all times, including to work, as long as they leave it in the car or abiding other certain restrictions. Opponents are claiming it means gun violence will go up since if someone gets angry, they can just go to their car and get it (nevermind that kind of psycho probably carries it anyways). They are completely disregarding the idea that if a maniac shows up, a responsible citizen would be able to defend himself and others

179 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:09:07am

re: #154 zmdavid

What exactly is inorganic food? Rocks?



Inorganic food.

180 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:09:14am

It's about time the west woke up to this danger. Erdogan and his men bought their way into power. I have journalist friends who tell me they paid off alot of the poorer/less educated people for votes. These people are quite dangerous! They've put a 600% tax on wine and spirits since they've been in power, tried to ban alcohol from tourist areas, and recently lifted the headscarf ban against female religious headgear in universities. From what I hear, doctors doing their clinicals are government hospitals are also allowed to become scarfies.
Erdogan is just a tool for Gulen. For some reason, our country is protecting this geezer. I read awhile back in a Turkish magazine (I forget which it was) that it's speculated that the CIA got him out of Turkey after his silliness with the government because he helped them with Turkic tribes or whatever in the caucauses during the Cold War. If this is true, the US has indeed messed up. Erdogan has done time in prison for embezzlement/bribes when he was mayor of Istanbul as well as some anti-turkish/secularism statements he made in the past.
The AKP party and the MHP nationalist party are in the congress together. I never thought I'd see the day that I'd hear statements such as "All true Turks are muslim" etc etc. This would be news to alot of my ethnic Armenian, Greek, and Kurdish friends.
These people belong to the "nurcu" (people of light) movement which combines the teaching of Fethullah (aka "hodja efendi") and the koran. They want to reestablish a caliphate and found a turkish nation. I have worked for them before in one of their schools. These people have their own newspapers (google "Today's Zaman") , television stations, schools (they own at least on university that I know of as well as a string of schools worldwide including some in the US,Germany,and other countries). When I see photos of dirtbag efendi with religious leaders and accepting honorary degrees, it reminds me of how much people can become whores for money.

181 maddogg  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:09:26am

re: #154 zmdavid

What exactly is inorganic food? Rocks?

Non-carbon containing, like moonbat brains....MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

182 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:09:45am

re: #158 galloping granny

I agree with you. I have always been one to feel that a ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Put the battle off and you'll fight it anyway on a much more intense level. Goes for kids and goes for governments too. But then I am the bull by the horns sort rather than a pussy footing round the bush sort.

I've learned to choose my battles with The Kid. I'm sure war-makers have a similar strategy.

183 usmc1968  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:09:45am

re: #154 zmdavid

re: #170 galloping granny


Thank you.

184 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:09:47am

re: #174 LanceKates

and goats.

Tenderizing the cabrito?

185 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:10:07am

re: #173 Ward Cleaver

What "just causes"? Boning young boys?

I wonder what ever happened to those poor young boys he abused. At least some of them must have acquired AIDS.

186 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:10:34am
I called both of my US Senators this morning (Dole & Burr) to request that they introduce a Resolution of Censure against former President Jimmy Carter.

[Link: www.gaypatriot.net...]

187 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:10:46am

re: #163 wolfie

Make sure we don't blow this thing in Iraq and end up in a huge war where our children will die in the 10's of thousands...at best.
As my nephew (currently in Iraq) told me after he volunteered, "One reason I'm doing this is so 1000's of others won't have to later on."

I believe we will prevail. I know we will prevail.

188 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:11:14am

re: #177 paxnhymn

"Nathan Bedford Forrest."

unfortunately not a safe person to quote nowadays...he meant well, but his legacy was usurped.

Too bad. He was a great General.

189 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:11:21am

re: #178 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Look at the new gun law in Florida. It allows people to carry guns with them basically at all times, including to work, as long as they leave it in the car or abiding other certain restrictions. Opponents are claiming it means gun violence will go up since if someone gets angry, they can just go to their car and get it (nevermind that kind of psycho probably carries it anyways). They are completely disregarding the idea that if a maniac shows up, a responsible citizen would be able to defend himself and others

Don't forget Hupp, Suzanne. Unless it is with you, it might as well be in a different county.

Unless there is one in the pipe, it might as well be a paperweight.

190 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:11:21am

GUNS KILL!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Just effen witcha!

191 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:11:45am

re: #185 galloping granny

I wonder what ever happened to those poor young boys he abused. At least some of them must have acquired AIDS.

The Palis have tons of programs to deal with those kids. Suicide Bombers, honor killings of homosexuals, kill them as collaborators, etc etc

192 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:11:50am

re: #177 paxnhymn

"Nathan Bedford Forrest."

unfortunately not a safe person to quote nowadays...he meant well, but his legacy was usurped.

Well, we got our asses kicked but, it's still a good strategy to be there first with the most.

193 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:12:03am

re: #186 Ben Hur

[Link: www.gaypatriot.net...]

I called my Senators the AM and made a suggestion about what they should do with Jimmah. The Door Bell- must be the FBI coming to get me.

194 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:12:22am

re: #182 MandyManners

I've learned to choose my battles with The Kid. I'm sure war-makers have a similar strategy.

Yup. Choose wisely and be darned sure you're going to win. Lose one and you'll have a heck of time winning the next one.

195 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:12:24am

re: #181 maddogg

Non-carbon containing, like moonbat brains....MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

Waitaminute, you're not Zombie. :-)

196 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:12:57am

You know, I'm pro-2nd ammendment.

I come from the "Hitler was for gun control" school of thought.

But for some reason, I love instigating, or poking fun at, our fellow gun nuts here on LGF.

It's. Just. Funny.

Pardner!

197 DownRightMeanAmerican  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:13:11am

re: #140 Ben Hur

No Nivea?

No vaseline?!?!?!?!

LOL.

I find it a bit ironic that the Qur’an calls wine “Stan’s handiwork”, yet there are rivers of “Stan’s handiwork” flowing in paradise, how did that get there?

198 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:13:11am

re: #190 Ben Hur

GUNS KILL!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Just effen witcha!

Heh, I'm getting into a "Cars kill more people than guns. Ban cars!" mode as of late.

I called someone at the grocery store a "friggen hippie" when they had a "Guns Kill People!" shirt on.

199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:13:44am

re: #189 LanceKates

Don't forget Hupp, Suzanne. Unless it is with you, it might as well be in a different county.

Unless there is one in the pipe, it might as well be a paperweight.

I support a non restricitive open carry law. Most libs want guns to be treated like radioactive waste, disposed of and never brought up again.

200 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:13:55am

re: #196 Ben Hur

You know, I'm pro-2nd ammendment.

I come from the "Hitler was for gun control" school of thought.

But for some reason, I love instigating, or poking fun at, our fellow gun nuts here on LGF.

It's. Just. Funny.

Pardner!

Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hillary, Obama....

201 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:14:54am

re: #198 LanceKates

Heh, I'm getting into a "Cars kill more people than guns. Ban cars!" mode as of late.

I called someone at the grocery store a "friggen hippie" when they had a "Guns Kill People!" shirt on.

Guns have killed very few people really. Its those damn little hard things they shoot which do all the damage.

202 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:15:13am

re: #192 MandyManners

Well, we got our asses kicked but, it's still a good strategy to be there first with the most.

Ohh, I was talking about the fact that you can see KKKr's sporting hats and quotes with his likeness even nowadays, when racism and white supremacy was not his goal, cecession was....

203 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:15:17am

re: #200 LanceKates
Now now....none of that!

BBL

204 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:15:23am

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If I lived in an open carry state, I'd have this firearm.

205 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:15:34am

re: #45 alegrias

Re: djimmi John Esposito of Catholic University's projihadi activities:

Pope Benedict is supposedly trying to quash these marxist/liberation theologists operating out of Catholic schools, during his US visit which starts today.

Yank these yoots out by their roots!

This Pope sees islamization everyday, outside his Vatican window & knows the score is not good.

A lot of these so-called Catholic universities should be stripped of their Catholic identity, along with funding from Catholic organizations and entities. We can start with Georgetown.

There are actually people who are working to make that happen with various Catholic schools, but it's an uphill battle.

206 wolfie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:15:58am

re: #175 alegrias

Amen !
What can we do but pray?

207 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:15:59am

re: #188 galloping granny

Too bad. He was a great General.

And he had a cool beard.

208 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:16:02am

re: #194 galloping granny

Yup. Choose wisely and be darned sure you're going to win. Lose one and you'll have a heck of time winning the next one.

I've never once lost. Well, I hate to look at raising a child as fighting a war against an enemy 'cause I'm trying to raise a child and he's trying to get raised. But, wait. He wants what he wants not knowing what is needed to mature so, I am at war against his innate desires. The thing is, so is he but, he doesn't know it.

*Paging Dr. Freud.*

209 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:16:19am

re: #197 DownRightMeanAmerican


because Stan and
The god of the moon are the same fella...

210 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:16:19am

re: #121 lawhawk

Obama goes to Whole Foods? Do the unions know this? Whole Foods is the nation's second largest non-union food retailer behind the "evil" Walmart.

Besides, anyone with a functioning neuron would know that Whole Foods prices are often outrageously high - higher than other nearby supermarkets by a significant margin.

* * *
The clueless elitist candidate talked about arugula in Whole Foods stores while in Iowa, which doesn't have any Whole Foods stores!

Do Iowans eat arugula? (It's like pretty pink styrofoam, not lettuce!) Not sure what food group arugula is in~.

211 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:16:56am

re: #202 paxnhymn

Ohh, I was talking about the fact that you can see KKKr's sporting hats and quotes with his likeness even nowadays, when racism and white supremacy was not his goal, cecession was....

Didn't he have a hand in establishing the original KKK?

212 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:17:01am

re: #201 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Guns have killed very few people really. Its those damn little hard things they shoot which do all the damage.

Very true. pistolwhippings have been fairly low.

But, with the rising cost of ammo, they make a comeback.

Frankly, I find it interesting that I can't have a firearm with me, but I can carry a knife up to 4" blade length.

My pistol requires ammunition. I could use a knife all day long.

Seems to me that a knife is more dangerous.

213 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:17:25am

re: #180 baconeatingkaffir

Excellent post. Do you think the military has lost the will to intervene?

214 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:17:51am

re: #198 LanceKates

Heh, I'm getting into a "Cars kill more people than guns. Ban cars!" mode as of late.

I called someone at the grocery store a "friggen hippie" when they had a "Guns Kill People!" shirt on.

I prefer the shirt Richard Kiel had on in Happy Gilmore:

Guns don't kill people, I kill people.

215 wolfie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:18:29am

re: #180 baconeatingkaffir

Thanks for the info....and keep us posted on this! (Please!)

216 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:18:42am

re: #197 DownRightMeanAmerican

LOL.

I find it a bit ironic that the Qur’an calls wine “Stan’s handiwork”, yet there are rivers of “Stan’s handiwork” flowing in paradise, how did that get there?

They'd know a lot about "Stan's Handiwork". They perfected it.

217 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:19:16am

re: #214 Honorary Yooper

One of my favorites.

his lines were funny too.

"I believe your ball has struck my foot."

218 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:19:18am

re: #211 MandyManners

Didn't he have a hand in establishing the original KKK?

yes, but originally it was an anti-Unionist organization..insurrecting against the (ahem! clears throat.) yankay verhmun....

219 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:19:20am

re: #208 MandyManners

I've never once lost. Well, I hate to look at raising a child as fighting a war against an enemy 'cause I'm trying to raise a child and he's trying to get raised. But, wait. He wants what he wants not knowing what is needed to mature so, I am at war against his innate desires. The thing is, so is he but, he doesn't know it.

*Paging Dr. Freud.*

The thing is though, especially as he gets older, to not lose without having HIM know that he lost, LOL. Remind me some day to tell you about the 99 questions game. Drives preteens and teens crazy, every once in a blue moon they end up doing something that might not be your first choice, but it keeps them out of trouble and makes them think.

220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:20:39am

re: #212 LanceKates

Very true. pistolwhippings have been fairly low.

But, with the rising cost of ammo, they make a comeback.

Frankly, I find it interesting that I can't have a firearm with me, but I can carry a knife up to 4" blade length.

My pistol requires ammunition. I could use a knife all day long.

Seems to me that a knife is more dangerous.

From one of my favorite movies:

Soap: I think knives are a good idea. Big, f***-off shiny ones. Ones that look like they could skin a crocodile. Knives are good, because they don't make any noise, and the less noise they make, the more likely we are to use them. Shit 'em right up. Makes it look like we're serious. Guns for show, knives for a pro.

Tom: Soap, is there something we should know about you?

Lance, is there something we should know about you?

221 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:21:11am

re: #210 alegrias

* * *
The clueless elitist candidate talked about arugula in Whole Foods stores while in Iowa, which doesn't have any Whole Foods stores!

Do Iowans eat arugula? (It's like pretty pink styrofoam, not lettuce!) Not sure what food group arugula is in~.

The Inorganic group.

222 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:21:12am

re: #152 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I prefer inorganic food. Silicon chips and granite flakes for everyone!

Breakfast for Hortas! Yum Yum!

223 wolfie  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:21:17am

re: #196 Ben Hur

You always sat in the back row at school, didn't you? Heh.

224 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:21:18am

re: #200 LanceKates

There you go again, Lance, clinging to your Guns 'n' Jesus!

225 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:21:20am

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lance, is there something we should know about you?

Well, this one time.... at band camp....

226 right wing zephyr  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:22:02am

re: #1 NoSubmission

Turkey is ripe for the next battle for the Caliphate.

So is the USA.

227 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:22:04am

re: #213 Killgore Trout

Killgore I have alot of friends in the Turkish military. All of them want to intervene. I think about 4 times a year they have mass purges in the military where they kick out people for being religious. Somehow I think that Erdogan may pass through this charge against him but then shoot his mouth off (as he has been known to do) and this will be used as a reason for the military to intervene. Nobody who I know likes him or his party. As I said before they targeted the poor and uneducated... especially in the east. I had some scarfie women come by the apartment right before the first election when they were voted in who had briefcases with gold coins. I pretended not to speak English. My motherin law sent them on their way with an earfull of koranic verse. These people want to establish shariah in Turkey, yet fail to realize that if it is implemented they will be some of the first ones hung or decapitated.

228 Pope Urban  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:22:18am

Just a little something to brighten your "Buy a Gun day"

Some statistics that you may find of interest...

Doctors:
(A) The number of doctors in the U.S. Is 700,000
(B) Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year are 120,000
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 17.14%
Statistics courtesy of the U.S. Dept. Of Health & Human Services

Guns:
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. Is 80,000,000
(yes that's 80million)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year,
All age groups, is 1,500
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.001875%
Statistics courtesy of the FBI

So statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more
Dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, guns don't kill people, doctors do.

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.

gwG

229 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:23:22am

re: #218 paxnhymn

yes, but originally it was an anti-Unionist organization..insurrecting against the (ahem! clears throat.) yankay verhmun....

They were a bitter group, clinging to guns and religion...

/wait, what?

230 Squirrelguy  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:23:29am

re: #108 MandyManners

Wine at a hoe-down?

Boone's Farm & Thunderbird. What? Are you from New Yawk City?

231 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:23:34am

re: #218 paxnhymn

yes, but originally it was an anti-Unionist organization..insurrecting against the (ahem! clears throat.) yankay verhmun....

And, carpet-baggers!

232 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:23:55am

re: #228 Pope Urban

(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.001875%
Statistics courtesy of the FBI

Just curious... how many accidental deaths per car owner were there in 2007?

233 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:24:23am

re: #210 alegrias

* * *
The clueless elitist candidate talked about arugula in Whole Foods stores while in Iowa, which doesn't have any Whole Foods stores!

Do Iowans eat arugula? (It's like pretty pink styrofoam, not lettuce!) Not sure what food group arugula is in~.

Pink? Styrofoam? Not the arugula that I am growing. More like dandelion greens that don't need to be cooked for hours. Kind of bitter, adds a nice bite to salads. No way, no how should it be expensive though. Are you sure you aren't thinking of raddichio?

234 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:24:27am

re: #219 galloping granny

The thing is though, especially as he gets older, to not lose without having HIM know that he lost, LOL. Remind me some day to tell you about the 99 questions game. Drives preteens and teens crazy, every once in a blue moon they end up doing something that might not be your first choice, but it keeps them out of trouble and makes them think.

I want a manual.

235 DownRightMeanAmerican  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:24:28am

re: #217 LanceKates

One of my favorites.

his lines were funny too.

"I believe your ball has struck my foot."

Shooter Getting Threatened.

236 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:24:37am

re: #211 MandyManners

Didn't he have a hand in establishing the original KKK?

Yes, but he disagreed with them and left in 1869. Interestingly enough, Forrest then spoke to the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association, a civil rights group whose members were freedmen, and said that blacks had a right to vote for whomever they chose. Wiki has the text of that speech.

237 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:24:48am

re: #224 Kenneth

There you go again, Lance, clinging to your Guns 'n' Jesus!

Heh. So I should get one of these and send a picture to Obama?

238 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:25:35am

re: #229 Ward Cleaver

They were a bitter group, clinging to guns and religion...

/wait, what?


ROFLMAO! Yes Ward, I would imagine they were after having their lands ravaged...

239 bulwrk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:25:38am

re: #211 MandyManners

Didn't he have a hand in establishing the original KKK?

Yes but not because he was so much a racist but because in its early days it promoted itself as a group that protected former southern soldiers from harassment by the federal troops occupying the south.

240 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:25:42am
from chapter 10 - Will Islam Be Our Future?
The Revived Islamic Empire Of The Antichrist

The Coming Restoration Of The Caliphate

The Turkish Empire was the seat of the Islamic Caliphate. It was not until 1923 that the Islamic Caliphate was officially abolished. Today the Islamic world is awaiting the restoration of that Caliphate. The Bible teaches that someday soon the Turkish Empire will be revived.

The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, then he was not, and yet came again. Revelation 17:8

At that time, we may expect to see the Islamic Caliphate restored. Eventually this position will possibly be given to a man whom the Muslim world would refer to as the Mahdi, but whom people of understanding would identify as the man known biblically as the Antichrist.

Will Islam Be Our Future?

241 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:26:06am
242 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:26:24am

re: #230 Squirrelguy

Boone's Farm & Thunderbird. What? Are you from New Yawk City?

*whack*

243 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:26:37am

re: #234 MandyManners

I want a manual.

They don't come with one.

244 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:26:49am

I used to have a cowboy hat with a cross on the front of it.

It'd REALLY piss some people off to see that cross.

245 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:27:25am

re: #242 MandyManners

*whack*

Hey, I like Thunderbird. Nice fruity taste.

246 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:27:55am

re: #236 Honorary Yooper

Yes, but he disagreed with them and left in 1869. Interestingly enough, Forrest then spoke to the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association, a civil rights group whose members were freedmen, and said that blacks had a right to vote for whomever they chose. Wiki has the text of that speech.

Cool! It has a photograph of the memorial in my home-town.

247 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:28:25am

re: #239 bulwrk

Yes but not because he was so much a racist but because in its early days it promoted itself as a group that protected former southern soldiers from harassment by the federal troops occupying the south.

Who let it get ugly?

248 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:29:18am

re: #243 galloping granny

They don't come with one.

*sigh* I thought maybe I'd forgotten to pick mine up at the hospital.

249 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:29:42am

Oh.

250 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:30:15am

re: #188 galloping granny

Too bad. He was a great General.

Even though this racist started the KKK, he sure understood the nature of "deep strike". Hell of a tactician. Good man to run a war.

Guess we all can't be perfect.

JAFLW

251 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:31:03am

re: #248 MandyManners

*sigh* I thought maybe I'd forgotten to pick mine up at the hospital.

All I can say is this: when you lay down to sleep at night, thank G_d for that little guy no matter what, because if you ask for patience, G_d will give you patience, but you won't like how you learn it.

252 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:31:20am

re: #233 galloping granny

Pink? Styrofoam? Not the arugula that I am growing. More like dandelion greens that don't need to be cooked for hours. Kind of bitter, adds a nice bite to salads. No way, no how should it be expensive though. Are you sure you aren't thinking of raddichio?

* * *
Galloping Granny, you're so right, thank you! Radicchio is that yucky pink stuff!

Arugula is a more assertive, arrogant BITTER salad green--I'll try it for a CHANGE from my typical Romaine, Euro-Centric salad.

253 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:32:25am

re: #250 Just Another Four-letter Word

Guess we all can't be perfect.

Speak for yourself!

(My, the air gets thin on top of this pedestal of mine.)

254 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:33:47am

re: #250 Just Another Four-letter Word

Even though this racist started the KKK, he sure understood the nature of "deep strike". Hell of a tactician. Good man to run a war.

Guess we all can't be perfect.

JAFLW

The thing that many forget about Forrest and Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson and all the rest of the Confederate Officer Corps is that nearly all of them were officers in the military of the United States before their states joined the Confederacy. Much of the cream of our officer corps fought for the Confederacy.

And then came Patton :)

255 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:35:10am

Kent Gardens Elementary School has banned tag.

snip:

Robyn Hooker, principal of Kent Gardens Elementary School, has told students they may no longer play tag during recess after determining that the game of chasing, dodging and yelling "You're it!" had gotten out of hand. Hooker explained to parents in a letter this month that tag had become a game "of intense aggression."

Turn boys into women so that they never grow up to be men. Then there is no resistance.

Make them all into the Eloi.... Sleep..... sleeeeeeppp...

256 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:35:42am

Completely OT: Get your gamy troll buttocks here!

257 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:35:48am

re: #252 alegrias

* * *
Galloping Granny, you're so right, thank you! Radicchio is that yucky pink stuff!

Arugula is a more assertive, arrogant BITTER salad green--I'll try it for a CHANGE from my typical Romaine, Euro-Centric salad.

If you have the room, arugula is very easy to grow. Once you start a bed, it keeps on growing and reseeding itself for many years. (Which is why it should not be expensive.) And arugula is very Euro-centric. Quite Italian in fact.

258 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:35:48am

re: #254 galloping granny

Remember that half of the states that left the north did so after it was announced that a federal army was going to force them back in.

259 bulwrk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:36:47am

re: #247 MandyManners

southern democrats decided there was a republican wave sweeping over the south mainly due to freed slaves and the kkk could be used to crush and intimidate.

260 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:37:12am

re: #259 bulwrk

southern democrats decided there was a republican wave sweeping over the south mainly due to freed slaves and the kkk could be used to crush and intimidate.

What? Racist Democrats? NEVER!

/

261 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:37:38am

re: #237 LanceKates

Hey, I like that Celtic cross. That would make a nice tattoo

262 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:38:26am

re: #258 LanceKates

Remember that half of the states that left the north did so after it was announced that a federal army was going to force them back in.

Exactly. People that boil the entire conflict down to "slavery" and label all Southerners as racist really do the war and the causes thereof a huge disservice. Especially since the entire State's Rights battle apparently is not yet over - witness the battle over drug prices, as just one minor example.

263 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:39:42am

re: #261 Kenneth

I don't have any tattoos, but I've always been drawn to the idea of the Warrior of Christ.

There is a war, and we are in the middle of it. Waged all around us.

264 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:40:31am

re: #260 LanceKates

Horrify a moonbat today:
- inform them that Martin Luther King was a registered Republican.

265 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:40:32am

re: #262 galloping granny

Well, that idea doesn't always get good play, and I've been in MANY arguments over that here at LGF.

However, the North won, and there is no way that history books were going to frame the war in terms of states rights or taxation...

266 USS Ben  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:40:52am

I wouldn't be too trusting in the secularism of the Turkish military.
Things change, and Turkey has changed.
It isn't as secular as it used to be, and we would do well to keep a close watch on Turkey.

267 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:41:43am

re: #257 galloping granny

If you have the room, arugula is very easy to grow. Once you start a bed, it keeps on growing and reseeding itself for many years. (Which is why it should not be expensive.) And arugula is very Euro-centric. Quite Italian in fact.

* * *
Thank you Granny for these arugula gardening tips. Suppose I could start a Victory Garden myself--if McCain is elected.

I was hoping to get arugula for free because if Obama is president, he's promised the laws of supply & demand will be CHANGED!

(Who knows more about economics!)

268 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:42:10am

re: #263 LanceKates

There is a war between good and evil. It is fought every day and in every human heart. Christ is our sword and our shield.

269 DownRightMeanAmerican  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:42:18am

re: #198 LanceKates

Heh, I'm getting into a "Cars kill more people than guns. Ban cars!" mode as of late.

I called someone at the grocery store a "friggen hippie" when they had a "Guns Kill People!" shirt on.

Along that same note, I suggest that auto manufacturers be held libel for the unlawful actions of those that drive their automobiles just as gun manufactures are.

270 Vergeltung  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:43:12am

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Dancer Kid with Budweiser Girls

video needs less kid, more bud girls. ;)

271 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:43:49am

re: #264 Kenneth

I don't know... as they note in that wiki article, he often spoke of democratic socialism.

He was connected with (and had within his inner circle of friends/mentors) known communists.

He opposed the Vietnam war.

That doesn't sound like a Republican today.

272 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:44:28am

re: #254 galloping granny

The thing that many forget about Forrest and Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson and all the rest of the Confederate Officer Corps is that nearly all of them were officers in the military of the United States before their states joined the Confederacy. Much of the cream of our officer corps fought for the Confederacy.

And then came Patton :)

Yeah, but I still think that Robert E. Lee was one of the best General the U.S. ever had - pity he was for the "wrong" side.

Can you just imagine how our wars would be conducted if these gentlemen (Union and Confederate) were resurrected to fight today? It boggles the mind - no milquetoast pussyfootin' around, go in and stomp the enemy to dust.

Sigh.

"...boy, the way Glenn Miller played,
Those Were the Daaaaays!"

JAFLW

273 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:44:34am

re: #269 DownRightMeanAmerican

Along that same note, I suggest that auto manufacturers be held libel for the unlawful actions of those that drive their automobiles just as gun manufactures are.

Let's see Rudy have GM sued, like he had gun manufacturers sued while he was mayor of NYC.

274 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:44:45am

re: #264 Kenneth

Horrify a moonbat today:
- inform them that Martin Luther King was a registered Republican.

ROFL! But I already KNEW that. You see, before the Civil Rights era in this country, virtually all white Southerners were Democrat and those few blacks allowed to vote in the south voted Republican. This stems directly back to the end of the Civil War and the days of Reconstruction. I think I'm the first person in the entire Southern half of my family to ever vote Republican, save for Eisenhower, who was a personal friend of my mother's.

275 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:46:32am

re: #267 alegrias

* * *
Thank you Granny for these arugula gardening tips. Suppose I could start a Victory Garden myself--if McCain is elected.

I was hoping to get arugula for free because if Obama is president, he's promised the laws of supply & demand will be CHANGED!

(Who knows more about economics!)

If you've been reading the news and have the space to grow anything this summer, start plowing. They are saying that food prices will rise 4.5% over the summer. Which means you can probably double that. And there are whispers of wheat shortages even in the US by the end of the summer.

276 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:46:33am

re: #271 LanceKates

His membership in the GOP was based on the fact that it was the party of Lincoln. The KKK owned the Democrats in the South -Dixiecrats. Many southern Republicans, especially blacks, were very much to the center or even left, on some issues.

277 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:47:39am

NYT's used to blast Congress for not pushing more biofuels.

Now they're blasting the use of biofuels because, as SOME of us have said for a while, it decreases the land area for growing food or supporting cattle.

NYT's. As useful as a microphone to a mute.

278 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:48:31am

re: #276 Kenneth

maybe that's why I consider myself a conservative, not a Republican.

democrat, republican, whig... whatever. Liberal or Conservative. `

279 BulgarWheat  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:48:52am

re: #277 LanceKates

BURNING FOOD IS STUPID.

ah, the leftist idiocy is yet unabated.

280 bulwrk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:49:20am

re: #254 galloping granny

granny Forrest was functionally illiterate and I don't think he had any prior military training or service.

281 DownRightMeanAmerican  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:49:50am

re: #271 LanceKates

I don't know... as they note in that wiki article, he often spoke of democratic socialism.

He was connected with (and had within his inner circle of friends/mentors) known communists.

He opposed the Vietnam war.

That doesn't sound like a Republican today.

The NBRA.

By Frances Rice

It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: Slavery, Secession, Segregation and now Socialism.

282 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:50:14am

re: #278 LanceKates

Exactly. "Republican" is a political party, while "conservative" is a political philosophy

283 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:50:36am

re: #279 BulgarWheat

BURNING FOOD IS STUPID.

ah, the leftist idiocy is yet unabated.

You know, for a bunch of tree-hugging hippies, they sure don't let us do anything that gets us away from using oil.

284 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:51:31am

re: #281 DownRightMeanAmerican

right, but King still supported socialism and buddied up to communists.

Regardless of which political party he cozied up to decades ago, that doesn't spell "Conservative" in my book.

285 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:51:54am

re: #282 Kenneth

And the two (Republican and Conservative) are drifting apart.

286 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:53:36am

re: #285 LanceKates

And the two (Republican and Conservative) are drifting apart.

Whereas Democrat and Socialism are now joined at the hip.

JAFLW

287 DownRightMeanAmerican  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:54:05am

re: #277 LanceKates

NYT's used to blast Congress for not pushing more biofuels.

Now they're blasting the use of biofuels because, as SOME of us have said for a while, it decreases the land area for growing food or supporting cattle.

NYT's. As useful as a microphone to a mute.

And ironically the Government believes Gorebal warming, yet ethanol produces the same amount of CO2 as usable fuel and then factor in the 1.0 gal of gasoline that it took to make 1.3 gals of ethanol and its crap no matter how you slice it.

288 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:54:16am

re: #284 LanceKates

right, but King still supported socialism and buddied up to communists.

Regardless of which political party he cozied up to decades ago, that doesn't spell "Conservative" in my book.

I think the whole Democrat = liberal/ Republican = conservative is a false dichotomy. Until about 40 years ago the divisions were almost entirely race and class based. That Democrats of today present themselves as the party of Equal Rights is completely ludicrous. They have always been the party of segregation.

289 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:54:48am

re: #287 DownRightMeanAmerican

And ironically the Government believes Gorebal warming, yet ethanol produces the same amount of CO2 as usable fuel and then factor in the 1.0 gal of gasoline that it took to make 1.3 gals of ethanol and its crap no matter how you slice it.

How can carbon dioxide destroy the planet? We friggen breathe it out.

290 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:55:21am

re: #288 galloping granny

I think the whole Democrat = liberal/ Republican = conservative is a false dichotomy. Until about 40 years ago the divisions were almost entirely race and class based. That Democrats of today present themselves as the party of Equal Rights is completely ludicrous. They have always been the party of segregation.

I wholly agree, but then I'm someone who views Affirmative Action and EEOC as racist/sexist groups.

291 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:55:39am

re: #275 galloping granny

If you've been reading the news and have the space to grow anything this summer, start plowing. They are saying that food prices will rise 4.5% over the summer. Which means you can probably double that. And there are whispers of wheat shortages even in the US by the end of the summer.

* * *
Thanks Granny. Of course, were I more disciplined, I could eat half of what I eat & reach my ideal weight PLUS save $! I will plant tomatoes & basil for certain.

Bless you talented farming folks.

292 bulwrk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:56:17am

re: #284 LanceKates

You're right King was a Republican because at the time it was the party of African Americans and if you were black in America you registered Republican.

293 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:56:43am

re: #289 LanceKates

How can carbon dioxide destroy the planet? We friggen breathe it out.

Exactly! It helps plants to grow!

Don't expect Moonbatticus Americanus to understand SCIENCE, tho...

JAFLW

294 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:56:57am

re: #285 LanceKates

Yes and no. Philosophies don't win elections, Parties do. They will always do this dance as the philosophy grows and the party chases votes. The same thing is happening to the Democratic Party and the liberals and leftists who argue the philosophy. If you compare the two, the conservatives are not destroying the Republican party the way the liberal activists are destroying the Democrats.

295 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:57:05am

re: #293 Just Another Four-letter Word

Exactly! It helps plants to grow!

Don't expect Moonbatticus Americanus to understand SCIENCE, tho...

JAFLW

now now.... there's a consensus..

*smirk*

296 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:58:09am

re: #289 LanceKates

How can carbon dioxide destroy the planet? We friggen breathe it out.

More importantly, plants breathe it IN - and use it to produce the oxygen we need as a byproduct of their respiration. No CO2= no O2 = Death for everything and everybody.

297 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:58:23am

re: #294 Kenneth

Yes and no. Philosophies don't win elections, Parties do. They will always do this dance as the philosophy grows and the party chases votes. The same thing is happening to the Democratic Party and the liberals and leftists who argue the philosophy. If you compare the two, the conservatives are not destroying the Republican party the way the liberal activists are destroying the Democrats.

The democrats are moving further left into wholly socialist playing fields, whereas the Republicans are moving left to capture 'displaced' Democrat voters.

In another few presidential elections, the Republican candidiate will be arguing for maintaining universal healthcare and the Democrat candidate will be arguing for removal of private property ownership.

298 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:59:03am

After all, if only the government owned property, then all people would be equal.

(Except the ruling politicians, but they 'deserve' to have the royal treatment for their sacrifice on our behalf)

299 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:59:12am

re: #164 MandyManners

Be there first with the most.

Nathan Bedford Forrest.

True, however I'm not a big fan of Nathan Bedford Forrest quotes, as I'm not very fond of the man.

300 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 11:59:48am

The Clean Energy Myth
by Michael Grunwald
(husband of Clintonista Mandy Grunwald?)

Time Magazine April 8 (sorry couldn't get last week issue link)

301 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:00:12pm

re: #296 galloping granny

More importantly, plants breathe it IN - and use it to produce the oxygen we need as a byproduct of their respiration. No CO2= no O2 = Death for everything and everybody.

As Al Gore is an owner of the primary "Carbon Credit" buying company, his talks on Global Warming are little more than the live demos for the newest mop or ginsu knife that you see at the state fair.

It isn't science. It isn't politics. It is an infomercial.

302 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:01:15pm

re: #299 incanus

True, however I'm not a big fan of Nathan Bedford Forrest quotes, as I'm not very fond of the man.

You don't have to be fond of the man to acknowledge his brilliance as a military strategist.

303 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:01:22pm

re: #298 LanceKates

After all, if only the government owned property, then all people would be equal.

(Except the ruling politicians, but they 'deserve' to have the royal treatment for their sacrifice on our behalf)

Nomenklatura! (Don't have the Cyrillic alphabet available...)

JAFLW

304 Fasternu426  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:01:42pm

All he needs now is the endorsement of Jimmy Carter and Barack Hussein Obama.

305 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:02:12pm

re: #301 LanceKates

As Al Gore is an owner of the primary "Carbon Credit" buying company, his talks on Global Warming are little more than the live demos for the newest mop or ginsu knife that you see at the state fair.

It isn't science. It isn't politics. It is an infomercial.

Nope, it is a new religion, complete with the sale of indulgences for the remission of sin ala the Medieval Catholic Church.

306 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:03:20pm

re: #305 galloping granny

Nope, it is a new religion, complete with the sale of indulgences for the remission of sin ala the Medieval Catholic Church.

Ding ding ding! We have a winnah!

JAFLW

307 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:03:50pm

re: #305 galloping granny

Nope, it is a new religion, complete with the sale of indulgences for the remission of sin ala the Medieval Catholic Church.

Crap. ANOTHER religion?

That's it. I'm joining the Jedi.

308 zmdavid  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:03:52pm

So the Organic Turkey thread is still going?

309 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:04:15pm

"Carbon indulgences."

Rotating title?

JAFLW

310 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:05:11pm

As much as we're supposed to root for the Jedi in the Star Wars movies, I can't help to be reminded of the UN whenever I see them.

311 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:06:39pm

re: #310 LanceKates

As much as we're supposed to root for the Jedi in the Star Wars movies, I can't help to be reminded of the UN whenever I see them.

Me too.

312 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:07:51pm

re: #311 galloping granny

Of course, I'm a Han Solo guy.

313 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:08:29pm

Oh yes, anyone who wants to see the old geezer dirtbag efendi in exile's webpage... Fethullah Gülen: A life dedicated to humanity, peace and dialogue.

I'm not as much worried about the military being infiltrated by these nitwits as I am the police force and other parts of the infrastructure.

314 wanumba  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:09:20pm

Controls billions ...?
Classic example of how the press fails in its Constitutional duty to inform the public. He's been here a decade and only now we hear about him?

315 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:09:58pm

re: #305 galloping granny

Nope, it is a new religion, complete with the sale of indulgences for the remission of sin ala the Medieval Catholic Church.

* * *
Still better than Alms for Jihad kind of charity!

316 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:10:50pm

re: #254 galloping granny

The thing that many forget about Forrest and Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson and all the rest of the Confederate Officer Corps is that nearly all of them were officers in the military of the United States before their states joined the Confederacy. Much of the cream of our officer corps fought for the Confederacy.

And then came Patton :)

Forrest was never an officer in the US Army.

317 right wing zephyr  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:11:05pm

re: #298 LanceKates

After all, if only the government owned property, then all people would be equal.

(Except the ruling politicians, but they 'deserve' to have the royal treatment for their sacrifice on our behalf)

That sounds Bulshevik/RSDLP-ish. And I am in the Bourgeoisie, so rock on comrade!

318 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:11:08pm

re: #315 alegrias

* * *
Still better than Alms for Jihad kind of charity!

I'm not so sure about that. Take a look at who the high priests of this new religion are that are collecting the alms for the environment and just what they are doing with them.

319 wanumba  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:11:44pm

re: #313 baconeatingkaffir
dang! just linked and was creeped out to see this little note:
We have 1 guest online ...

gads! I stuck out like out like a sore thumb ...

320 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:11:46pm

re: #317 right wing zephyr

Aye, Comrade!

Wait... I don't fit in with the communist mindset.... Crap. Off to the Gulag for me.

321 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:12:01pm

re: #316 incanus

Forrest was never an officer in the US Army.

You missed that small word "nearly"

322 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:12:31pm

re: #295 LanceKates

now now.... there's a consensus..

*smirk*

Scientists and Charlie Sheen agree!1!

323 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:13:12pm

re: #322 incanus

Who would argue with Charlie Sheen?

Well, me.... but who else?!?!1!eleventy

324 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:13:45pm

re: #319 wanumba

Gotta love their throughness. I still don't understand why the US lets him stay. He really needs to be deported to a country more suitable to his liking... the magic kingdom. Any decent [bigoted word] in exile would be there. Heck.. it worked for Id%u0131 Amin!

325 right wing zephyr  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:13:57pm

re: #320 LanceKates


Good thing too. A whole host of thought experiments are stagnant due to subjects 'washing out'.

326 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:14:08pm

We used to have a poster here (I won't bring up their name) who constantly ranted in big caps along with lots of ! and ? marks... as though they would be more listened to that way.

Of course, they also wanted to execute illegal immigrants.

hmm.

327 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:14:49pm

re: #326 LanceKates

We used to have a poster here (I won't bring up their name) who constantly ranted in big caps along with lots of ! and ? marks... as though they would be more listened to that way.

Of course, they also wanted to execute illegal immigrants.

hmm.

Which might be why it is a former poster :)

328 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:14:50pm

re: #325 right wing zephyr

Good thing too. A whole host of thought experiments are stagnant due to subjects 'washing out'.

There does, indeed, come a point where someone is so openminded that their brain falls out.

Once that has happened, they are ready to serve Big Brother.

329 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:15:13pm

re: #302 galloping granny

You don't have to be fond of the man to acknowledge his brilliance as a military strategist.

Nor do I have to honor a military genius who was no prize by any other measure by quoting him constantly.

Though I have to admit, I do like "Charge both ways!"

My disgust for Forrest stems from reading Shelby Foote's Civil War history, and he's a Southerner =)

330 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:15:17pm

re: #318 galloping granny

I'm not so sure about that. Take a look at who the high priests of this new religion are that are collecting the alms for the environment and just what they are doing with them.

* * *
Sorry, wasn't clear.

And yet, President Nixon's establishment of the Environmental Protection Agency in 1970 or thereabouts has meant better air & water for most of us in this nation than China's got.

The enviros could achieve more by upgrading the third world's appalling environment, instead of beating up on the first world's already good start.

331 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:15:56pm

re: #327 galloping granny

Oh, most definately indeed.

They seemed a bit off-kilter, but let's not speak ill of those not here.

Unless it is Al Gore.

332 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:16:35pm

re: #329 incanus

and he's a Southerner =)

*raises and eyebrow* hmm?

333 right wing zephyr  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:18:10pm

Obama fights Back with Historic Speech On Rednecks

Obama, who grew up in the redneck-free paradise of Hawaii, could have easily stepped into a cultural void of corporate middle-class indifference if he hadn't embraced the winning theory of class warfare and challenged the country to do better - to drop the old redneck values of self-reliance, and to accept the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be considered in their relation to the State.

LOL

334 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:19:44pm

re: #333 right wing zephyr

How can o'bummer speak about rednecks and then turn around and speak about racism? I really hate the reverse "I can't be racist because I'm a minority" card.

335 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:20:36pm

re: #330 alegrias

* * *
Sorry, wasn't clear.

And yet, President Nixon's establishment of the Environmental Protection Agency in 1970 or thereabouts has meant better air & water for most of us in this nation than China's got.

The enviros could achieve more by upgrading the third world's appalling environment, instead of beating up on the first world's already good start.

Oh I absolutely agree with you there. I spent most of my growing up years along the Connecticut River here in New England. For that matter, I don't live all too far fro the river now. When I was a girl the Connecticut had become so polluted from the various factories that you would have at least become quite ill if you fell in. American Indians & early Americans once met every year at what is now Turners Falls, Massachusetts, for the salmon and shad runs. There sure were not any of those when I was a girl.

Now it is a different story. The salmon and shad are back and if you kayak out along the river you'll find freshwater clams, oysters & mussels, bald eagles, great blue herons and much, much more that hasn't been seen on the river since my grandfather was a boy.

336 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:20:57pm
337 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:21:00pm

re: #310 LanceKates

As much as we're supposed to root for the Jedi in the Star Wars movies, I can't help to be reminded of the UN whenever I see them.



"Their response it didn't thrill us,
They locked the doors and tried to kill us."

338 right wing zephyr  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:21:08pm

re: #334 baconeatingkaffir

great nic!

339 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:22:03pm

re: #337 incanus

no youtube at work

340 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:22:13pm

re: #326 LanceKates

We used to have a poster here (I won't bring up their name) who constantly ranted in big caps along with lots of ! and ? marks... as though they would be more listened to that way.

Of course, they also wanted to execute illegal immigrants.

hmm.

I blame Artificial Intelligence.

341 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:22:17pm

re: #334 baconeatingkaffir

How can o'bummer speak about rednecks and then turn around and speak about racism? I really hate the reverse "I can't be racist because I'm a minority" card.

By claiming his minority status as a black without acknowledging his equivalent majority status as a white (and he IS half white) he is doing nothing less than validating the old "one drop of black blood" rule.

342 right wing zephyr  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:22:35pm

re: #334 baconeatingkaffir

well, it is true. Plus he can't be rich since he once was poor. He's just like you an me, really.

343 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:23:03pm

re: #332 LanceKates

*raises and eyebrow* hmm?

Shelby Foote, the author of linked book set.

Really good reading.

344 incanus  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:23:38pm

re: #339 LanceKates

no youtube at work

Me too so I hope the link works =O

345 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:24:24pm

re: #340 incanus

heh.....

346 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:25:05pm

re: #344 incanus

If not, you've created a black hole in the internet, in which nothing can escape!

Kind of like listening to some teacher spout Al Gore's movie as truth.

347 right wing zephyr  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:25:39pm

re: #341 galloping granny

By claiming his minority status as a black without acknowledging his equivalent majority status as a white (and he IS half white) he is doing nothing less than validating the old "one drop of black blood" rule.

You mean he's not PURE!?!? So much for the revolution.

348 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:27:01pm

re: #338 right wing zephyr

great nic!

Thanks. This guy is really an embarrassment yet a prime example of what the US political system has become. Too bad O'bummer didnt pursue an acting career instead of a political one. I really hope Mccain doesnt endorse condoleeza rice as a running mate. Shes one the US could do without.

349 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:28:15pm

re: #335 galloping granny

Oh I absolutely agree with you there. I spent most of my growing up years along the Connecticut River here in New England. For that matter, I don't live all too far fro the river now. When I was a girl the Connecticut had become so polluted from the various factories that you would have at least become quite ill if you fell in. American Indians & early Americans once met every year at what is now Turners Falls, Massachusetts, for the salmon and shad runs. There sure were not any of those when I was a girl.

Now it is a different story. The salmon and shad are back and if you kayak out along the river you'll find freshwater clams, oysters & mussels, bald eagles, great blue herons and much, much more that hasn't been seen on the river since my grandfather was a boy.

* * *
Thanks for sharing that success story. I expect folks to be good stewards of creation.

Did you see where the Vatican had made it a sin to pollute? Oh, and:

"This week is National Environmental Education Week, which is the largest organized environmental education event in the United States. "

350 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:28:41pm

re: #348 baconeatingkaffir

He'd have no reason to. McCain will either choose Lieberman as a friend or will pick a Republican Governor from some state that'd be close between him and the Dems in the final election.

351 alegrias  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:29:58pm

re: #338 right wing zephyr

great nic!

* * *
You say O'Bummer
I say O'Bitter!
O'Bummer, O'Bitter
Arugula, Radicchio
Let's call the whole thing off!

352 right wing zephyr  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:30:25pm

re: #350 LanceKates

Really? I thought this election was about race and sex. Has someone been lying to me?

353 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:31:43pm

Is Cynthia McKinney still running on the Green Ticket?

I suppose one would have to be high to vote for her.

Maybe Obama will choose her as his VP.... she hit a guard with a cell phone then complained of discrimination... sounds like she's right up his alley.

354 right wing zephyr  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:32:27pm

re: #351 alegrias

heh. Time for a Ron Paul resergence! I saw a bunch of Paulians on the corner with abolish the Federal Reserve signs. Cool. Way past time.

355 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:32:43pm

re: #352 right wing zephyr

well, some might say that elections are a race to sex.

voters bend over and take one up the tailpipe 'for the good of the country'

But, believe it or not, we're actually supposed to pick people who'd be good leaders, nost just those who promise to give us the most free stuff.

356 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:34:54pm

Is it just me,or are the minor ties always that loud!
I'M a minority!
(Well armed,militant , boot strap,Conservative)

We used to be the majority,
When this was the "land of opportunity"!
Now it's become the land of opportunists!

Hey!Lance

357 right wing zephyr  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:35:07pm
we're actually supposed to pick people who'd be good leaders,

Oh Well, maybe next time.

358 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:37:34pm

re: #357 right wing zephyr

Oh Well, maybe next time.

I'll hold my breath.

359 ROPMA  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:38:00pm

A history of gun control.

A Little Gun History Lesson. In 1929, the Soviet Union
> established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million
> dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
> exterminated.
> -----------------------
>
> In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917,
> 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
> up and exterminated.
> -----------------------
>
> Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945,
> a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend
> themselves were rounded up and exterminated
> -----------------------
>
> China established gun control in 1935. >From 1948 to 1952, 20
> million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were
> rounded up and
> exterminated.
> -----------------------
>
> Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981,
> 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
> up and exterminated.
> -----------------------
> Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979,
> 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
> and exterminated.
> ----------------------- Cambodia established gun control in
> 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to
> defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
> -----------------------
> Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th
> Century because of gun control: 56 million.

360 ROPMA  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:39:15pm

History of gun control continued.

> -----------------------
> It has now been a couple years since gun owners in Australia
> were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to
> be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia
> t axpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results
> are now in:
>
> Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
>
> Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
>
> Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44
> percent)!
>
> In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are
> now up 300 percent Note that while the law-abiding citizens
> turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess
> their guns!
>
> It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too!
>
> While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
> decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed
> drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are
> guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
>
> There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
> assaults of the ELDERLY.. Australian politicians are at a loss to
> explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental
> effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian
> society of guns. The Australian experience and the other
> historical facts above prove it.
>
> You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear
> politicians disseminating this information.
>
> Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property
> and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding
> citi zens.
>
> Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
>
> The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please
> remind him of this history lesson.
>
> With Guns...........We Are "Citizens"
> Without Them.......We Are "Subjects".
>
> During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America
> because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
>
> Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Peal Harbor
> had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attaché to the U. S.
> 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army
> had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend the
> country It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow
> up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland,
> his reply was that he had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost
> all households had guns.
>
> If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control
> message to all your frien

361 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:39:28pm

re: #359 ROPMA

Amen!

362 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 12:40:52pm

re: #359 ROPMA

re: #360 ROPMA

Excellent and dead on.

363 Sol Roth  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 1:33:45pm

re: #30 usmc1968

Well, the threads are moving fast. To fast for me, but I try to keep up at my age. The only cure for getting old is :dying young:

You still with us?

364 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 1:56:21pm

Russia Takes Over Fethullah Gulen School For Ties To Islamist Sect

Mainstream Turkish daily Milliyet reported that the administration of Fethullah Gulen’s Turkish school in St.Petersburg is taken over by Russian authorities due to suspicions that this and other Gulen schools in the country were tied to the Nur (Light) Islamist sect of which Fethullah Gulen is the leader. An investigation committee found that the school’s curriculum was not in line with Russia ’s Education Ministry’s guidelines; most of the 24 Turkish teachers did not have appropriate visas and only four of the teachers were certified to teach. So far 10 similar Turkish schools have been closed in Russia and many Turks have been deported.

[For more on Fethullah Gulen please see "The Upcoming Elections in Turkey (2): The AKP's Political Power Base")

Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 22, 2007

365 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 1:57:38pm

ACU National announces new Chair in the study of Islam

31 October 2007: Australian Catholic University (ACU National) has appointed Dr Ismail Albayrak as its inaugural Fethullah Gulen Chair in the Study of Islam and Muslim-Catholic Relations.

Fethullah Gulen Chair

The Fethullah Gulen Chair is a newly created position aimed at providing academic leadership in research, teaching and community engagement in relation to the study of Islam. The Chair has been founded with full recognition of the plurality and diversity of Islam itself. The appointee to the Chair will conduct leading-edge, internationally competitive research, assist in developing academic programs, and work towards promoting greater mutual understanding between Muslims and Catholics both in Australia and throughout the Asia-Pacific region.

The Chair is named in honour of Fethullah Gulen, a Turkish–born scholar, educator, spiritual and social leader, and renowned advocate for inter-religious dialogue and peace. Gulen’s interpretation of Qur’anic teaching seeks to enable Muslims to live their Islamic faith in modern situations and make a positive contribution to the transformation of society. The author of more than 60 books (many of which have been translated into English), Gulen is especially noted in Catholic circles for his private audience with Pope John Paul II at the Vatican in 1998, which marked an important step forward in Muslim-Christian relations.

The appointment of the Chair is for an initial period of three years. The role will be funded through a partnership with the Australian Intercultural Society, a non-government organisation aimed at promoting greater dialogue between Australia’s various faith communities.

366 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 1:59:59pm
367 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 2:17:24pm

My usual suspects are all here


Representative Wayne Gilchrest presented the dedication award given to the President of Georgetown University John DeGioia to Prof. John Borelli on his behalf. Describing Rumi Forum's activities as "crucial," Gilchrest said the forum was an expansion of the idea that we all were the children of one Creator. In his speech, Prof. Borelli quoted Fethullah Gülen and Pope Jean Paul II, figures both known for their special emphasis on inter-religious dialogue. The award given to Professor John Esposito for his contributions to education was presented by Iraqi Ambassador to Washington Mahmood Al Sumeydei to Associate Director Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University Prof. John Voll.

Alliance of Civilizations (AOC) initiative was proposed by the President of the Spanish Government, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero at the 59th General Assembly of the United Nations (UN) in 2005. It was co-sponsored by the Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdo%u011Fan. The initiative is intended to galvanize collective action across diverse societies in order to combat extremism, to overcome cultural and social barriers between mainly the Western and predominantly Muslim worlds, and to reduce the tensions and polarization between societies which differ in religious and cultural values.


BULLSHIT IT IS THE STEALTH CALIPHATE


The theme interfaith dialogue was significantly taken into action by a Turkish religious leader Fethullah Gulen and his followers in the late 1990s. In order to address the question of "How can citizens of the world live in peace and harmony?", Gulen's followers, who are mostly well-educated section of Turkish population, organize numerous events internationally. A newspaper, Zaman belonging to Gulen supporters, is the first place in Turkey with more than 800.000 daily circulation rate.[citation needed]


The guy wants to be your MAHDI

"Most of them believe that Gulen is the Mehdi or the century’s holy man"

Understandings of “Community” within the Gulen Movement


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368 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 2:25:23pm

re: #228 Pope Urban

Just a little something to brighten your "Buy a Gun day"

Some statistics that you may find of interest...

Doctors:
(A) The number of doctors in the U.S. Is 700,000
(B) Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year are 120,000
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 17.14%
Statistics courtesy of the U.S. Dept. Of Health & Human Services

Guns:
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. Is 80,000,000
(yes that's 80million)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year,
All age groups, is 1,500
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.001875%
Statistics courtesy of the FBI

So statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more
Dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, guns don't kill people, doctors do.

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.

gwG

Someone need to put that on a poster and sell it.

369 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 2:34:49pm

re: #281 DownRightMeanAmerican

The NBRA.

By Frances Rice

It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: Slavery, Secession, Segregation and now Socialism.

I nominate the part I have boldfaced here for rotating title! With or without the as it always has been, part. (That is, if it can fit, leave it in... if it makes the title line too long, take it out. But I suspect it'll probably fit.)

370 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 2:35:01pm
TURKEY—IRAN—SYRIA (Music) . . . “So Happy Together”


The prospect for a Turkey/Iran/Syria alliance (given their mutual concerns in opposition to an independent Kurdish state, and their animosities towards the USA for a whole variety of reasons) is a thought postulated by some pundits in the region.

For one, Syria and Iran have already formed a military alliance. Iran’s stunning reversal not to conclude such “military agreements” took place at the close of February, 2004. The “defense pact” was signed in Damascus committing Iran to Syria’s defense against “the Zionist entity” (a.k.a. “Israel). Syria had encouraged the military ties.

“Sources in Tehran say the Iranians were at first reluctant to commit to a course that could make war with Israel almost inevitable. All changed sometime last November when Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Iranian ‘Supreme Guide,’ decided that the only way to deal with the perceived threat from America was to raise the cost of any attempt by Washington to implement further ‘regime changes’ in the Middle East.” (“AN AXIS RESURGENT—Regimes in Iran, Syria forge new ties,” by Amir Taheri, New York Post February 28, 2004).

Now, we’re talking about a formidable arrangement. The Iranians have for years supported Syrian-Lebanese based Hezbollah and their war against Israel. Iran’s defense minister, Rear Admiral Ali Shamkhani (who signed the pact with his Syrian counterpart, Lt. Gen. Mustafa Tlas) said the “defense pact” extends to Lebanon! Consequently, off to Beirut went Shamkhani where he presided over a “war council” wherein “the entire political and military leadership of Hezbollah” was in attendance. Topic: “Closer coordination between Hezbollah and Palestinian militant groups such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad, both of whom are backed by Iran.”

It must be understood that the “defense pact” is superimposed over an already existing Iranian military presence in Lebanon and Syria.

“The Iranian military mission in Damascus consists of over 500 officers and experts in weaponry and military intelligence. The Corps of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard has a contingent of 1,200 men in Lebanon on missions including training, deployment and maintenance of certain categories of weapons, and military intelligence.” (An Axis Resurgent)

Basically, what Syria did was to “formalize” an already existing arrangement that Iran had with these organizations and broadened it to include Damascus; however, the “depth” of the current military pact is astounding, especially when Iran’s defense minister Shamkhani said, “Iran, in turn, must be regarded as Syria’s geo-strategic depth.”

Thus, we have the cozy relationship between Syria and Iran, and between Turkey and Syria, now how about Turkey and Iran?

According to columnist Kamuran Ozbir from Istanbul:

“The thought is very attractive (such a threefold alliance) and dates back a long way. Should it be actualized then it could have major and strategic effects both regionally and internationally. In fact, it could have repercussions similar to the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, the Islamic Revolution in Iran, the Arab nationalist movement of the 1950s and Ataturk’s revolution at the start of the last century.” (Istanbul Ortadogu (Ankara Edition) 26 Jul 04, p. 6).

This Turko-Farsi-Arab triumvirate has but one thing in mind: To stop the USA-Israeli Axis from “democratizing” them!

[SNIP]

To those of you worried about Obama being the Anti-Christ , look to ASSYRIA

Obama is only a cartoon before the main reel

371 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 2:36:42pm

re: #309 Just Another Four-letter Word

"Carbon indulgences."

Rotating title?

JAFLW

Seconded.

372 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 2:42:52pm

re: #324 baconeatingkaffir

Gotta love their throughness. I still don't understand why the US lets him stay. He really needs to be deported to a country more suitable to his liking... the magic kingdom. Any decent [bigoted word] in exile would be there. Heck.. it worked for Id%u0131 Amin!

Deport him to Dubai, and surreptitiously place some poppyseeds from a poppyseed bun into his shirt pocket when he's on his way there.... Then sit back and watch the fun commence! Muahahahahahaha!

373 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 2:50:55pm

re: #359 ROPMA

A history of gun control.

A Little Gun History Lesson. In 1929, the Soviet Union
> established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million
> dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
> exterminated.
> -----------------------
>
> In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917,
> 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
> up and exterminated.
> -----------------------
>
> Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945,
> a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend
> themselves were rounded up and exterminated
> -----------------------
>
> China established gun control in 1935. >From 1948 to 1952, 20
> million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were
> rounded up and
> exterminated.
> -----------------------
>
> Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981,
> 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
> up and exterminated.
> -----------------------
> Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979,
> 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
> and exterminated.
> ----------------------- Cambodia established gun control in
> 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to
> defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
> -----------------------
> Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th
> Century because of gun control: 56 million.

Wow! Another one that should be turned into a poster and sold.

374 Franktalk  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:13:56pm

For those prophesy followers out there this fits well with the path to the Magog invasion. At some time in the future Turkey will go the way of Iran. If it is this or some other event that will allow this to happen I do not know. I of course would love to have this guy rejected but I feel that won't happen. I now know the frustration of the people who saw the rise of the Nazi's and felt powerless to stop it.


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