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Hillary-Obama Debate Thread 2

Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:35:32 pm PDT

Another thread as Barack dodges another set of questions about his 20-year association with Rev. Wright, and Hillary apologizes for saying she dodged sniper fire. Whole lotta dodgin’ goin’ on.

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1 insanity police  4/16/08 5:36:13 pm reply quote

Obama should have practiced. He's bombing.

2 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/16/08 5:36:15 pm
3 Bloodnok  4/16/08 5:36:21 pm reply quote

This thread doesn't jive

4 bikermailman  4/16/08 5:36:22 pm reply quote

The graph was down when she was speaking, went up when Stephie talked...

5 bikermailman  4/16/08 5:36:46 pm reply quote

re: #2 song_and_dance_man

They both still suck.

no, she licks...ask her muslim aide

6 Bloodnok  4/16/08 5:36:53 pm reply quote

Head tilt.....increasing

7 DesertSage  4/16/08 5:36:59 pm reply quote

I'm getting really sick of this guys voice.

8 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/16/08 5:37:09 pm
9 Crimsonfisted  4/16/08 5:37:13 pm reply quote

Neither of them are qualified. At all.

10 Fenboy  4/16/08 5:37:20 pm reply quote

re: #5 bikermailman

eeewww!

11 HelloDare  4/16/08 5:37:20 pm reply quote

What is that green line measuring. Because right now it seems to be measuring bullshit.

12 bikermailman  4/16/08 5:37:21 pm reply quote

I get upset when I have gas

13 NoSubmission  4/16/08 5:37:23 pm reply quote

re: #7 DesertSage

I'm getting really sick of this guys voice.

me too. such a load of hot air.

14 Psaturn  4/16/08 5:37:24 pm reply quote

Obama is bombing and yet several polls say he is going up...who to believe?

Of course I don't believe what Obama says either...

15 jcm  4/16/08 5:37:28 pm reply quote

It's not a gaff it's peek into what you think....

16 EC Marm  4/16/08 5:37:41 pm reply quote

Obama "Economy is teetering!"
Change.Hope.Trust him. A junior Senator.

17 buzzsawmonkey  4/16/08 5:37:51 pm reply quote

re: #1 insanity police

Obama should have practiced. He's bombing.

Obomba?

18 williwonka  4/16/08 5:37:51 pm reply quote

Clinton just said she can re lie on her experience. I believe her!

19 bikermailman  4/16/08 5:37:52 pm reply quote

that graph....it hits the ceiling when he's talking about the bad economy

20 HelloDare  4/16/08 5:37:58 pm reply quote

The more he says nothing, the higher the green line goes.

21 Sol Roth  4/16/08 5:38:00 pm reply quote

We're "obsessed with errors." Yeah. Stopping a big one from Chicago.

22 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/16/08 5:38:02 pm
23 sbvft contributor  4/16/08 5:38:03 pm reply quote

"that pin"

24 snowcrash  4/16/08 5:38:03 pm reply quote

We're obsessed because we notice his errors?

25 Opilio  4/16/08 5:38:04 pm reply quote

Income inequality? I thought I read somewhere that the Obamas' pulled in $4mil in 2007.

26 NoSubmission  4/16/08 5:38:05 pm reply quote

Do you believe in the American flag?

27 itellu3times  4/16/08 5:38:12 pm reply quote

It's up now? Audience must be terminally bored. I sure am.

28 DesertSage  4/16/08 5:38:13 pm reply quote

Real reform = socialism

29 MarkX  4/16/08 5:38:15 pm reply quote

Do you believe in the American flag.

SMACK DOWN.

30 bikermailman  4/16/08 5:38:23 pm reply quote

re: #24 snowcrash

We're obsessed because we notice his errors?

We're distracted

31 chicagodudewhotrades  4/16/08 5:38:27 pm reply quote

lapel flag pin question now......

32 unrealizedviewpoint  4/16/08 5:38:28 pm reply quote

I'm questioning your patriotism Barry

33 NoSubmission  4/16/08 5:38:29 pm reply quote

That flag.

34 sbvft contributor  4/16/08 5:38:39 pm reply quote

liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar

35 Bob in Breckenridge  4/16/08 5:38:40 pm reply quote

re: #6 Bloodnok

Head tilt.....increasing

My dog does that when he's confused...

36 snowcrash  4/16/08 5:38:50 pm reply quote

The flag pin. Oh boy these are GOOD questions!

37 insanity police  4/16/08 5:38:51 pm reply quote

Obama does not disown the American flag.

38 jamgarr  4/16/08 5:38:51 pm reply quote

Flag pin!

39 bikermailman  4/16/08 5:38:52 pm reply quote

Of course he believes in it. It exists

40 Crimsonfisted  4/16/08 5:38:53 pm reply quote

He reveres the flag? Liar! You already said differently.

41 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/16/08 5:38:57 pm
42 lookingup  4/16/08 5:38:59 pm reply quote

Ah the internet. the new information pathway

43 NoSubmission  4/16/08 5:38:59 pm reply quote

He could also just as easily be standing in Syria.

44 itellu3times  4/16/08 5:39:00 pm reply quote

Do you believe in apple pie?

45 buzzsawmonkey  4/16/08 5:39:03 pm reply quote

I believe the children are our future.

/just trying to match the cliche output.

46 Luigi  4/16/08 5:39:05 pm reply quote

Not true. He just wants to be president.

47 insanity police  4/16/08 5:39:08 pm reply quote

re: #17 buzzsawmonkey

Obomba?

LOL.

48 MarkX  4/16/08 5:39:16 pm reply quote

re: #30 bikermailman

We're distracted

re: #30 bikermailman

We're distracted

DISTRACTED! DRINK!

49 unrealizedviewpoint  4/16/08 5:39:21 pm reply quote

my story. yeah, we know, your story...

50 sbvft contributor  4/16/08 5:39:21 pm reply quote

stutterin pr*ck

51 NoSubmission  4/16/08 5:39:23 pm reply quote

uh...uh...so..

52 FriarsTale  4/16/08 5:39:24 pm reply quote

re: #8 song_and_dance_man

'We're recorded everyday' - B. Hussein

It's simple, tell the truth and there's no problem.

youtube, and the internet in general, is the 500 pound gorilla, and they know it

53 Crimsonfisted  4/16/08 5:39:28 pm reply quote

He is stumbling. Badly.

54 bikermailman  4/16/08 5:39:30 pm reply quote

A president?

55 OldLineTexan  4/16/08 5:39:30 pm reply quote

OH GAWD.

"I was born a poor white child in darkest Kansas"

56 jamgarr  4/16/08 5:39:33 pm reply quote

re: #41 song_and_dance_man

This will go on for over another hour.

One can only hope

57 Charles  4/16/08 5:39:34 pm reply quote

Ten hits from Reuters? What are they looking for?

Hang on, checking the log...

Here's the page they were going to:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

58 hepcat  4/16/08 5:39:47 pm reply quote

Paul Barack Revere Obama

59 HelloDare  4/16/08 5:39:47 pm reply quote

What's with the green line? Seriously, what does it measure? Anybody...

60 DownRightMeanAmerican  4/16/08 5:39:49 pm reply quote

I am surprised he didnt say the American flag is the seed of slavery, you clingons.

61 bikermailman  4/16/08 5:39:51 pm reply quote

wait, it's a horrible country! your wife says so!

62 DesertSage  4/16/08 5:39:55 pm reply quote

He is so full of shit!
I can't stand listening to him!

63 Sol Roth  4/16/08 5:40:02 pm reply quote

Helping veterans by voting "present" 130 times. B.S. Obama.

64 Bob in Breckenridge  4/16/08 5:40:04 pm reply quote

re: #25 Opilio

Income inequality? I thought I read somewhere that the Obamas' pulled in $4mil in 2007.

And gave a whopping 5% to charity, and most of that was to HIS CHURCH!

65 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/16/08 5:40:06 pm
66 bikermailman  4/16/08 5:40:08 pm reply quote

re: #57 Charles

Ten hits from Reuters? What are they looking for?

Hang on, checking the log...

Here's the page they were going to:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I smell a story brewing....

67 NoSubmission  4/16/08 5:40:25 pm reply quote

He's not a patriot. Period.

68 MarkX  4/16/08 5:40:26 pm reply quote

Hey Barry, leave Kansas out of your life story.


You were not born in Kansas.

69 buzzsawmonkey  4/16/08 5:40:26 pm reply quote

Obama is the Mahdi. He has the mole, just like Laurence Olivier in Khartoum.

70 Palandine  4/16/08 5:40:29 pm reply quote

Answers the flag question with his "I was born a poor black child" speech, then flogs his "patriotism" by promisining to surrender and soak the rich.

Patriotism. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

71 LoFlyer  4/16/08 5:40:29 pm reply quote

They are actually asking some hard questions. The answers are BS.

72 EC Marm  4/16/08 5:40:32 pm reply quote

"I revere this country!" Now my talking points are:

73 snowcrash  4/16/08 5:40:37 pm reply quote

He supports the flag that's why he wants to end the war. WHAT does that mean?

74 karmic_inquisitor  4/16/08 5:40:38 pm reply quote

Obama comes down to the viewer.

The viewer has to believe to buy into Obama and forgive his many vague contradictions.

Thing is, once you see him clear relief, you can't go back to believing.

As his negatives climb (at %49 now) he will crumble.

75 Opilio  4/16/08 5:40:42 pm reply quote

Upward mobility... But only as upward as we find acceptable.

76 NoSubmission  4/16/08 5:40:52 pm reply quote

distracts

77 insanity police  4/16/08 5:40:53 pm reply quote

I question his experience first. I'd question his patriotism second.

78 rawmuse  4/16/08 5:40:59 pm reply quote

Notice he no longer uses the phrase "in all its faults" after the word "America". Somebody coached him on that one.

79 hepcat  4/16/08 5:41:00 pm reply quote

"The Flag Thing"

80 Crimsonfisted  4/16/08 5:41:01 pm reply quote

And the left says W cannot speak? BO is much worse.

81 sbvft contributor  4/16/08 5:41:08 pm reply quote

my Dad is a disabled veteran. thinks you're an *ss Obama.

82 unrealizedviewpoint  4/16/08 5:41:19 pm reply quote

I'm pretty sure he did say he doesn't wear flag pins. Anybody got link?

83 bikermailman  4/16/08 5:41:21 pm reply quote

It's not the job of the Pres to make people's lives better, you Marxist

84 Bob in Breckenridge  4/16/08 5:41:29 pm reply quote

Another Hannity question by Steffie! Ayers.

85 jamgarr  4/16/08 5:41:29 pm reply quote

William Ayers came up !

86 NoSubmission  4/16/08 5:41:30 pm reply quote

Obama and the bomber.

87 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/16/08 5:41:31 pm
88 jcm  4/16/08 5:41:33 pm reply quote

You love this country, but you work for Alinsky style organization bent on overturning our government.

89 sbvft contributor  4/16/08 5:41:33 pm reply quote

GREAT QUESTIONS. UNBELIEVABLE. FINALLY!

90 itellu3times  4/16/08 5:41:35 pm reply quote

OK, the moderators (!?) are asking about all this crap, and I'm offended by it, but I'd be offended if they didn't ask, too. The problem is the candidates who HAVE to have these questions asked.

Obabmi, don't talk about "manufactured issues", too meta.

... oh, and here we go with Ayres, ...

91 DesertSage  4/16/08 5:41:35 pm reply quote

His base won't let him wear the flag pin.

92 bikermailman  4/16/08 5:41:36 pm reply quote

re: #80 Crimsonfisted

And the left says W cannot speak? BO is much worse.

No 'prompter

93 CyanSnowHawk  4/16/08 5:41:37 pm reply quote

BULLSH*T BHO, I don't believe you! I don't think you respect our flag.

94 buzzsawmonkey  4/16/08 5:41:41 pm reply quote

re: #80 Crimsonfisted

BO is much worse.

And even your best friends won't tell you.

95 HelloDare  4/16/08 5:41:41 pm reply quote

Ayers. Hey.

96 insanity police  4/16/08 5:41:43 pm reply quote

Man, they are hammering Obama. Didn't Stephanopholisaurus work for Clinton?

97 Crimsonfisted  4/16/08 5:41:45 pm reply quote

Bill Ayers? Good on you George.

98 Gordan the Fisherman  4/16/08 5:41:50 pm reply quote

Weather Underground?

Has the world ended?

99 snowcrash  4/16/08 5:41:51 pm reply quote

Steffy is Fab tonight

100 Sol Roth  4/16/08 5:41:52 pm reply quote

Fadal Shana must have cycled through the resurrection ship too many times. Clonal degeneration.

101 lawhawk  4/16/08 5:41:52 pm reply quote

re: #57 Charles

Hmmm... it's a little late to do background checks on your reporters in the field, especially when they have an annoying tendency of operating in very close contact with terrorist groups and state sponsors of terrorism.

102 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/16/08 5:41:58 pm
103 NoSubmission  4/16/08 5:42:01 pm reply quote

I was never in the room when he bombed.
/

104 jcm  4/16/08 5:42:07 pm reply quote

Ayers!
Good one

105 Tarkus289  4/16/08 5:42:10 pm reply quote

Thanks to Hannity

106 karmic_inquisitor  4/16/08 5:42:11 pm reply quote

re: #24 snowcrash

We're obsessed because we notice his errors?

You are forgetting that he has superior judgment to all other candidates.

No legislative record. But superior judgment.

/He's a carpetbagger.

107 Sabra412  4/16/08 5:42:13 pm reply quote

Some of my best friends are terrorists...

108 Palandine  4/16/08 5:42:21 pm reply quote

Weather Underground! Guy's a "professor of English." Detestable acts 40 years ago...

109 Opilio  4/16/08 5:42:21 pm reply quote

He just said, "When I'm C-in-C". Truly terrifying.

110 bikermailman  4/16/08 5:42:24 pm reply quote

re: #87 song_and_dance_man

Hey B. Hussein, sing God Bless America.

I have a hunch he can't

Did anyone else hear the battle hymn of the republic on Rush today? awesome...

111 lilliew  4/16/08 5:42:24 pm reply quote

Ayers.... wow another hard question. Is George channeling Sean Hannity?

112 Killian Bundy  4/16/08 5:42:26 pm reply quote

I pledge allegiance to my genitals!

/oh yeah, Obama loves America alright

113 rain of lead  4/16/08 5:42:26 pm reply quote

spin,spin,spin,spin,spin,spin,

114 jcm  4/16/08 5:42:29 pm reply quote

He's a fucking unrepentant terrorist.

115 insanity police  4/16/08 5:42:30 pm reply quote

Disown the terrorist Obama! You are slipperier than Slick Willie.

116 Crimsonfisted  4/16/08 5:42:32 pm reply quote

re: #87 song_and_dance_man

Hey B. Hussein, sing God Bless America.

I have a hunch he can't

He can sing the muslim call to prayer in perfect ARabic and calls it beautiful.

I prefer Kate Smith belting out God Bless America.

117 MarkX  4/16/08 5:42:34 pm reply quote

Obama can't denounce anything.

118 FriarsTale  4/16/08 5:42:34 pm reply quote

re: #57 Charles

Ten hits from Reuters? What are they looking for?

Hang on, checking the log...

Here's the page they were going to:

[Link:

119 sbvft contributor  4/16/08 5:42:35 pm reply quote

HE'S GETTING TESTY. HE NO LIKEY QUESTIONS.

120 Charles  4/16/08 5:42:38 pm reply quote

Man, this debate is a real snoozefest.

121 HelloDare  4/16/08 5:42:44 pm reply quote

Would anybody here go to William Ayers' house for a meeting? Anybody?

122 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/16/08 5:42:53 pm
123 Crimsonfisted  4/16/08 5:42:54 pm reply quote

re: #111 lilliew

Ayers.... wow another hard question. Is George channeling Sean Hannity?

yup.

124 MarkX  4/16/08 5:42:54 pm reply quote

re: #107 Sabra412

Some of my best friends are terrorists...

LOL

125 natbumpo  4/16/08 5:42:55 pm reply quote

Did he just compare Tom Coburn to the Weather Underground?

126 Sarge1984  4/16/08 5:43:09 pm reply quote

Charles, will there be follow-on threads for those of us on tape delay to tape-delay comment?

127 buzzsawmonkey  4/16/08 5:43:10 pm reply quote

re: #108 Palandine

Weather Underground! Guy's a "professor of English." Detestable acts 40 years ago...

No, he's a "professor of education." Much more socially destructive.

128 Miss Trixie  4/16/08 5:43:12 pm reply quote

Hussein, you HAVE no AMERICAN values.

Bloody hell, what a chooch!

129 nyc redneck  4/16/08 5:43:13 pm reply quote

re: #1 insanity police

Obama should have practiced. He's bombing.

he's the messiah. why should he practice? and for what?
/

130 OldLineTexan  4/16/08 5:43:17 pm reply quote

I'm friends with Tom Coburn.

I have lots of racist white Republican friends that are jerks.

131 bikermailman  4/16/08 5:43:18 pm reply quote

So, I can go hang with the Klansmen from the 60s when I was just born?

132 jcm  4/16/08 5:43:19 pm reply quote

You don't have to hang with terrorists or hate spouting preachers.

133 Opilio  4/16/08 5:43:20 pm reply quote

Who are the morons driving the green line? Obama could fart and the damn thing would go to 100.

134 Sol Roth  4/16/08 5:43:35 pm reply quote

You had more dealings with him than as an 8 year old yute. Sickem' Hillzebub!

135 NoSubmission  4/16/08 5:43:47 pm reply quote

Obama sure keeps some strange company...

136 sbvft contributor  4/16/08 5:43:50 pm reply quote