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Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:18:42 am PDT

Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn’t. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and excusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may.

Mark Twain

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1 Rancher  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:21:57am
2 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:22:09am

Goooooooood morning, LGF!

3 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:22:20am

Morning all - love the smell of fresh thread in the morning.

4 Rancher  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:23:34am

My first First! Had to get up at 4:20 am but my first First!

/420

5 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:24:03am

Morning Lizards!

6 whisker away  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:24:40am

A guy was driving down a deserted road when he accidentally hit a pig. Nobody saw him do it so he kept on driving. A little ways on a policeman stopped the car. "I'm arresting you for leaving the scene of an accident". "How did you know?" the man asked. "The pig squealed."

wee, wee, wee, all the way home

7 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:25:26am

re: #4 Rancher

My first First! Had to get up at 4:20 am but my first First!

/420

And if you comment on it, it will be your last you know :)

8 BlueCanuck  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:29:08am

re: #4 Rancher

Watch out for that timing thing. People may get the wrong impression. ;)

/had "friends" explain the whole 420 mystique to me once.
//not to long ago either

9 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:29:51am

re: #4 Rancher

Mazel tov! ;-)

10 Bosch Fawstin  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:30:11am

Good Morning, everyone. In light of Carter's Ass Kiss in Demascus:
Diealogue with The Enemy, Pigman-Style

11 BulgarWheat  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:33:56am

here's an email that I got from the parents of one of my son's soccer team members. He was diagnosed with Cancer last year and has been fighting the good fight. I removed his name, and his parent's names for obvious reasons. Just a reminder to keep things in perspective.

[redacted],

[redacted] returned to school on Monday and Cub Scouts on Tuesday. He came up to
us on Sunday and said "this is one of the worst days of my life." We
thought he was anxious about returning to school, but no, he said it was bad
"like the day before vacation." Monday was declared Hat Day for the school
by the principal. [redacted]'s desk was exactly like he left it, down to the
empty water bottles. Three new kids have been assigned to that classroom
since he left, but that teacher never touched his desk. He is tired by
bedtime, but gets stronger, literally, every day, but soccer is still a ways
off. Academically, he is making it his own business to catch up the few
lessons he is behind. He was doing long division at the dining room table
this morning.

To top it all off, his CT scan from Monday was negative, so his lung
infection has cleared up. That was our last lingering concern. Labs Monday
were great.

[redacted] started Maintenance Therapy Monday before last, and it is indeed a
tremendous improvement over what he has endured thus far. He will receive
oral chemo daily, IV chemo monthly, and chemo into his spine quarterly.
These are all medicines and procedures he tolerates well. [redacted] will attend
physical therapy for a short while as he builds his strength back up. He
will complete his cancer treatment on Thanksgiving Day, 2010. We are filled
with hope that [redacted] has put the worst of this behind him now.

(As an aside, [redacted] started Maintenance with a spinal tap. When the doctors
arrived to perform the procedure, they had in tow a young, third year med
student who they asked be allowed to observe. The hematology doctors and
nurses, all happened to be petite women. The third year med student was
about 6' 4" and 240 pounds. The procedure went fine and [redacted] tolerated it
well. Towards the end of the procedure, Mr. Medical Student told [redacted] he
was the bravest person he had ever seen. I glanced over at him and he was a
pale shade of green. As we understand it, he left the room and passed out.)
[redacted] is able to go where he wants and do what he wants, with a few
exceptions. We need to keep him away from obviously contagious people, be
careful of his time in the sun, and for now keep him out of lakes, rivers
and the ocean. Other than that, he is good to go.

We have been humbled by the prayers and love shown our entire family during
this time. It has helped more than we could ever express. We have been
awakened by the things we have seen at Duke, and pledge to never forget that
there are some terribly sick kids, and some desperately needy parents.

We expect that things will be smoother now, and that you will be able now to
make your own judgments about how [redacted] is doing. So if you don't hear from
us by email, please know that all is well.

Life is good.

[redacted] and [redacted]

12 rancher  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:36:14am

He was asked about William Ayers? Sweet.

13 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:38:52am

re: #11 BulgarWheat

I don't have any problems.

God bless your friend and his family.

14 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:39:55am
a merger between Kadima and Labor

Oh for Petes sake...just give up! [Link: www.jpost.com...]

15 rancher  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:41:41am

re: #11 BulgarWheat
Too true goddessoftheclassroom, God bless those in real need.

16 opnion  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:44:36am

re: #12 rancher

He was asked about William Ayers? Sweet.

yup and his answer was really a dodge, " I wqs 8 years old when these things happened."
Yo Barry, that wasn't the question. You hang with Ayers who is not a bit sorry. You had a strategy session at his house.
You can argue that you are victim of 'guilt through assosciation.", but anothr adage is "you judge a man by the company he keeps"

17 rancher  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:46:00am

re: #14 storagemanager

Oh for Petes sake...just give up! [Link: www.jpost.com...]


with the aim of blocking Likud Chairman Binyamin Netanyahu from becoming Israel's next prime minister


Go Netanyahu.

/Yahuuu!

18 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:46:02am
The Democrats' "Fake-Out America" adviser, Berkeley linguistics professor George Lakoff, must be beside himself. Despite Lakoff's years spent training Democrats to "frame" their language to stop scaring Americans, B. Hussein Obama was caught on tape speaking candidly to other liberals in San Francisco last week.

One minute Obama was bowling in Pennsylvania with nice, ordinary people wearing "Beer Hunter" T-shirts, and the next thing you know, he was issuing a report on the psychological traits of normal Americans to rich liberals in San Francisco.

Obama informed the San Francisco plutocrats that these crazy working-class people are so bitter, they actually believe in God! And not just the 12-step meeting, higher power, "as you conceive him or her to be" kind of God. The regular, old-fashioned, almighty sort of "God."

As Obama put it: "(T)hey get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

19 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:47:40am

If you all haven't read that link about Obama's foodstamp claim, go do. Lying through his teeth. (And likely so was mama.)

20 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:49:41am

re: #16 opnion

yup and his answer was really a dodge, " I wqs 8 years old when these things happened."
Yo Barry, that wasn't the question. You hang with Ayers who is not a bit sorry. You had a strategy session at his house.
You can argue that you are victim of 'guilt through assosciation.", but anothr adage is "you judge a man by the company he keeps"

Being eight years old when Charles Manson instigated a string of murders does not excuse developing a friendship with him 30 years later. Just exactly how stupid and foolish does he think the American people are? Supercilious ass!

21 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:50:22am

Well, I wish I could stay and chat, but I must be going. Have a great day!

22 opnion  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:52:15am

re: #20 galloping granny

Being eight years old when Charles Manson instigated a string of murders does not excuse developing a friendship with him 30 years later. Just exactly how stupid and foolish does he think the American people are? Supercilious ass!


Well said and yes the Obamas do think that we are stupid.

23 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:52:42am
(IsraelNN.com) Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Thursday "satanic" foreign forces had failed in their bid to dominate the Middle East's energy resources and that they did not dare to threaten Iran, Reuters reported.

Addressing a military parade, Ahmadinejad said that the region could handle its own security without the U.S. and other foreign forces, although he did not actually name the United States.

"We saw that oppressive, arrogant ... and satanic powers planned, using a suspicious excuse to gain dominance over the world's energy reserves ..., brought their troops to our region," Ahmadinejad said at the annual ceremony. "Today they have failed," he said in the televised address. "The Iranian nation has reached a level that none of the world powers dare to threaten (it)," he added

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

24 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:53:35am

{DRUDGE POLL}WHO WON THE DEM DEBATE IN PA?...

HILLARY CLINTON

39% 28,193
BARACK OBAMA

61% 44,972

Total Votes: 73,165

25 Big_Iron[deleted]  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:54:49am
26 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:55:07am

re: #22 opnion

The more I see of Obama the more shallow I think he is.

He apparently thinks religion is only necessary when things go wrong,

what a misunderstanding of human nature

he is to be pitied

27 rancher  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:55:29am

I was at Osama’s house once. Our kids play together. He wasn’t abit sorry for 9/11, actually said he hadn’t done enough. I was eight when 9/11 happened so I didn’t really cair. “Going to the board meeting tonight?”, I asked. “Allah willing,” Osama said, “‘nother beer?”

28 Heartland_Patriot  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:55:40am

Good morning lizards! Top of the morning to you all.

29 opnion  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:56:16am

re: #24 storagemanager

{DRUDGE POLL}WHO WON THE DEM DEBATE IN PA?...

HILLARY CLINTON

39% 28,193
BARACK OBAMA

61% 44,972

Total Votes: 73,165


Hmm, do you think that if Barry does an axe murder on live TV that it could hurt his numbers?

30 rancher  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:58:04am

re: #18 storagemanager

anti-trade sentiment


That’s what I found funny. He’s against NAFTA while he’s for it.

31 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:58:15am

re: #24 storagemanager

{DRUDGE POLL}WHO WON THE DEM DEBATE IN PA?...

HILLARY CLINTON

39% 28,193
BARACK OBAMA

61% 44,972

Total Votes: 73,165

Drudge polls have less than no statistical significance. Remember the polls Charles used to run where all the RonPaul supporters would come rig the thing? Internet polls are self selecting. They mean absolutely nothing.

32 guzziguy  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:58:16am

re: #19 galloping granny

If you all haven't read that link about Obama's foodstamp claim, go do. Lying through his teeth. (And likely so was mama.)

?

33 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 3:59:35am

This is nothing to laugh at...he is killing our troops and getting away with it....

"Iranians are the most powerful nation of the world," said the president stressing that the power of the Iranian nation served peace and humanity.

He referred to Iranians as a "peace-loving and civilized people who would firmly support their armed forces to defend the country with all they have in reach.

The chief executive stressed that Iran's armed forces would forcefully respond to the slightest aggression against the Iranian nation.

"I am proud to announce today that the Iranian nation's power is of an extent that no major power can dare jeopardize the security and interests of the Iranian nation,"
President Ahmadinejad added that the faith, solidarity, strength and courage of the Iranian nation as well as their intelligent presence at the international scenes were indicatives of their power.

Stressing the significant role played by Iranians in international arena, the president said, "The expansionist powers made various plans and organized a military expedition into the region to dominate the world's energy resources and stop the spread of cultural and humanitarian values of the Islamic Revolution."
However, added President Ahmadinejad that the expansionist powers "are currently at the end of their way as the region and the world are ready for a big development."
He called on regional governments and nations to look at the existing circumstances more carefully and support independent nations.

The president promised that Tehran would help regional states in their efforts to promote security and peace in the region without the presence of foreigners and occupiers

[Link: www2.irna.com...]

34 Bobblehead  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:00:53am
35 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:01:59am
"Bitter," says Sen. Barack Obama, the man of hope and change, about those who live Pennsylvania, small towns and the Midwest.

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania," Barack Obama said two Sundays ago to the brie-and-chardonnay crowd at a fundraiser in San Francisco, "and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years, and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate, and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

I spent nearly 20 years living in the Midwest. I attended law school in Michigan, and moved to and lived in Ohio for another 15 years. I married a woman from Menominee, a small town in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Her strong, values-oriented, working-class parents produced a doctor and two computer engineers.

Yet people living on the East Coast and West Coast, and those with "superior education and breeding," often dismiss those living in the Midwestern and other states, especially small towns, as existing in "flyover country."

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

36 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:03:52am
US Rep. Joe Knollenberg of Michigan and his proposed CARTER Act H.R. 5816. CARTER stands for “Coordinated American Response to Extreme Radicals Act”. H.R. 5816 seeks to end all federal support for the Carter Center which has totaled $19 million since 2001. Let Carter draw on the mega-resources of his Arab and Islamist friends in the Middle East, who have already given him and the Center tens of millions of support.

As Kessler notes in this post, you should send a note to Congressman Knollenberg commending him for his actions and you might ask your Congressional representatives to sign on as a co-sponsor of the proposed legislation.

[Link: blog.americancongressfortruth.com...]

37 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:04:21am

re: #32 guzziguy

?

In order to collect foodstamps you must have either a dependent child who lives with you or meet certain other conditions such as disability. Just going to college to get a PhD is not grounds for public financial support.

During the only time period in which there even was a Food Stamp program for Obama's mama to collect food stamps from, he was a teenager living with his grandparents - who worked. They could not have collected foodstamps for Obama and their income would have been counted towards food stamp eligibility if mama had said she was living with them.

Mama was a welfare cheat.

38 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:05:14am
Winner of Democratic Debate?
John McCain.

At about 3:50 these Democrat focus groupers are asked how many would vote for John McCain if their candidate loses the Democratic nomination. D'oh!

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

39 rancher  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:06:57am

re: #33 storagemanager

Not laughing.

The president promised that Tehran would help regional states in their efforts to promote security and peace in the region...

Fortunately that scares the hell out of the regional states, so much so that when Israel hit that nuke sight in Syria we got nary a peep of protest from the Arab world. Not like the comics certainly.

40 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:09:37am

re: #38 storagemanager

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

Unfortunately the video I got stops at about 1:20

41 BlueCanuck  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:11:11am

re: #37 galloping granny

I read the post and the comments. I think that Barack Hussein is talking through his hat.

/like he hasn't done that before.

42 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:15:02am

re: #1 RancherThat's a nightmare!
Morning all.
Todays pearls before swine.

43 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:15:13am

re: #41 BlueCanuck

I read the post and the comments. I think that Barack Hussein is talking through his hat.

/like he hasn't done that before.

I used to run a food pantry for the feds some years back. I could quote the food stamp regulations. This time, he is not just talking through his hat. He is lying, pure and simple. And if Mama collected food stamps claiming him as a dependent child, she was lying too. That'll get you 5 to 10 years in jail if your kid isn't running for President.

44 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:18:25am

re: #11 BulgarWheat
Indeed, life is good. Thanks for that.

45 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:18:53am

re: #40 galloping granny

Unfortunately the video I got stops at about 1:20

[Link: www.stoptheaclu.com...]

46 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:19:53am

I wonder who twisted his arm off -

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas confirmed that plans to present two female Palestinian terrorists with a medal of honor have been withdrawn.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

47 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:22:42am
JEDDAH, 17 April 2008 — Officials at the Jeddah General Court confirmed yesterday that they are dealing with the case of a Turkish barber who is allegedly facing the death penalty after being tried for swearing at God.

The officials said they were unable to provide specific details of the case yesterday and advised Arab News to contact President of the Jeddah General Court Sheikh Rashid Al-Hazza’a, who is on leave, on Saturday.

Hani Al-Hajri, head of press relations at the court, also said he would only be able to provide details on Saturday.

According to the Turkish press, the barber, Sabri Bogday, had an argument with a neighbor, an Egyptian tailor, and was arrested by police after the tailor filed a complaint that he had sworn at God. Bogday has reportedly been in prison for 13 months, while his accuser has disappeared.

Whack his head off anyway. [Link: www.arabnews.com...]

48 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:24:47am
Newsmax/Zogby Poll: They're Deadlocked in Pennsylvania
A new Newsmax/Zogby tracking poll of Pennsylvania's Democratic voters shows that presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are in a dead heat. Sen. Clinton once held a sizeable lead in the Keystone State.


[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

49 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:26:21am
Witnesses told a Senate committee on Tuesday that the risk of a nuclear attack on U.S. cities has grown in the past five years due to the spread of nuclear technology and the growth of a global terrorist movement.

The Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs looked at the horrific consequences of a nuclear strike by terrorists, and experts said more could be done to save lives, the Washington Post reported.

"I definitely conclude the threat is greater and is increasing every year with the march of technology," said Cham E. Dallas, director of the Institute for Health Management and Mass Destruction Defense at the University of Georgia.

Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, the panel’s chairman, said: "The scenarios we discuss today are so hard for us to contemplate and so emotionally traumatic that it is tempting to push them aside. However, now is the time to have this difficult conversation, to ask the tough questions, then to get answers."

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

50 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:26:46am

re: #46 galloping granny

I went to a Sbarros here last weekend and they had a picture of the founding couple on the walls. Even though I've never actually seen her face, the first thing that came into mind when I saw Mrs. Sbarro was... BabbaZee!?

51 madisonsfriend  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:30:02am

re: #37 galloping granny

I thought you could just be poor or pretend to be.

52 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:31:03am
53 madisonsfriend  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:31:36am

re: #42 Jim in Virginia

Somehow it is blocked on my computer.

54 Izzy Dunne  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:31:40am

re: #26 Ojoe

The more I see of Obama the more shallow I think he is.

He apparently thinks religion is only necessary when things go wrong,

what a misunderstanding of human nature

he is to be pitied

First he is to be defeated, THEN he can be pitied.

55 BulgarWheat  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:33:14am

re: #52 buzzsawmonkey

I guess that Obama'a Mama was the welfare queen that Ronald Reagan was talking about.

Once again, Ronaldus Magnus was correct.

56 BlueCanuck  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:34:12am

gotta go, have to deal with a moronic minion. Have yourselves all a great spring day.

57 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:34:27am

re: #51 madisonsfriend

I thought you could just be poor or pretend to be.

Oh no. Over the last ten years or so some states have loosened their eligibility requirements somewhat, but the basic guidelines are federal and at the time they were uniform. Just being poor even today is not enough. You must have dependent children, or a disability that leaves you with insufficient income. Some states (too many) also provide food stamps to ex-cons and drug addicts.

58 opnion  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:34:41am

re: #32 guzziguy

?

Wait wait! Ok the claim may literally be wrong, but they are suffering now (He & Michelle)
Because of the cost of fuel, the cost of goods has increased significantly. Do you have any idea what the Obama's are now paying for brie & chablais? They feel their pain.

59 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:37:25am
Here is the latest frightening development...
A Chinese ship carrying arms for the Mugabe regime docked in South Africa this week.
The Times reported:


An uncleared ship - suspected of carrying arms rumoured to be delivered to Zimbabwe - has docked at the Durban harbour, the National Ports authority said today.

Spokesman Ricky Bhikraj said the Chinese vessel had entered the port without clearance and had currently docked at the outer anchorage.

The ship -- called ’An Yue Jiang’ is suspected of carrying a consignment of arms allegedly headed for Zimbabwe.
Andrew from Zimbabwe adds this:


And at the Holiday Inn in Harare, 20 Zim army officers checked in...along with several Chinese soldiers in full ChiArmy dress with revolvers. I told you the Chinese are the new colonialists.

And President Busk had thi to say?...what?...nothing.... [Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

60 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:40:28am

re: #52 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know about Obama's and Obama's Mama's timeline, but foodstamps were indeed available to college students in the mid-late 1970s. I know; I lived on them for almost 2 years. I did not conceal either my occupation (student) or my income (minuscule, none of it from Mom & Dad), and there was nobody in the office that issued them who had any reason to grant me anything like a special favor. They asked questions; I answered them; they found me eligible; I ate.

It is my understanding that the eligibility requirements were significantly altered by the early 1980s, but at the time I received them, as a student, I did so legitimately.

Food stamps, it should be remembered, are only secondarily a welfare program for poor people. They were instituted originally as a price support for farmers; the recipients that got them were supposed to serve as a means for consuming some of the vast amount of food this country produces, and thus helping to shore up farm prices. That is why they could only be used for food, and not be used for such things as paper towels or toilet paper. That this farm subsidy actually fed people was almost incidental.

You might just have gotten lucky Buzz. There has been more than one person working in some welfare office somewhere that just gave lots of people a pass. You might also have collected in a state that allowed students to collect.

Even if Hawai'i was one of those few states at the time, the fact remains that at least one of two things is true:

1. Obama is lying when he states that his mother collected foodstamps for him

2. Mama lied to Welfare. He was living with his grandparents and their income would have counted towards household eligibility.

61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:41:06am

re: #29 opnion

Hmm, do you think that if Barry does an axe murder on live TV that it could hurt his numbers?

Only if it is puppies or kittens. Or puppies AND kittens.

62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:42:57am

Well, you won't have my fat arse to kick around all day. I have to go worky! Love what I do though. Don't pity me...trying to make Hill/Obam's hit list for next year.

63 madisonsfriend  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:43:14am

re: #57 galloping granny

Oh no. Over the last ten years or so some states have loosened their eligibility requirements somewhat, but the basic guidelines are federal and at the time they were uniform. Just being poor even today is not enough. You must have dependent children, or a disability that leaves you with insufficient income. Some states (too many) also provide food stamps to ex-cons and drug addicts.

While we have a good income now, we had our income cut in half some years back. We ate inexpensively and probably more healthily than we do now. I have to be honest and say that I think because of my education and upbringing, I knew how to cook healthy meals inexpensively and buy cheaper but healthy products- dry beans, products in bulk, avoided processed, expensive junk, baked snacks/sweets, and we limited our "eating out" to occasional carry out like a $5 pizza that could feed the whole family. I know people say food stamps aren't much(of course, they are supposed to be an addition to other limited funds for food) but it seems a lot of the problem is how people use them- they won't go far if you are buying boxes of General Mill cereal and processed products.

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:45:09am

re: #60 galloping granny

When Obama worked in Chicago, wasn't his main job helping folks to find the nearest government teat to suckle up to?

65 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:47:26am

Good morning again Lizards!

Does this really surprise anyone?

66 rancher  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:49:41am

re: #58 opnion

They will be tithing less than 10% again this year.

"For millions of Americans, charitable giving and tithing is an essential part of their lives," Obama said. "And in a country where 37 million citizens live in poverty, we should be encouraging charitable giving, not limiting it."
What is surprising, given the recent controversy over Obama's membership in the Trinity United Church of Christ, is how little the Obamas apparently gave to charity -- well short of the biblical 10% tithe for all seven years. In two of the years, the Obamas gave far less than 1% of their income to charity; in three of the years, they gave around 1% of their income to charity. Only in the last two years have they given substantially more as their income skyrocketed -- 4.7% in 2005 and 6.1% in 2006.
67 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:50:24am

re: #63 madisonsfriend

While we have a good income now, we had our income cut in half some years back. We ate inexpensively and probably more healthily than we do now. I have to be honest and say that I think because of my education and upbringing, I knew how to cook healthy meals inexpensively and buy cheaper but healthy products- dry beans, products in bulk, avoided processed, expensive junk, baked snacks/sweets, and we limited our "eating out" to occasional carry out like a $5 pizza that could feed the whole family. I know people say food stamps aren't much(of course, they are supposed to be an addition to other limited funds for food) but it seems a lot of the problem is how people use them- they won't go far if you are buying boxes of General Mill cereal and processed products.

Without a doubt. Wether food stamps or cash, your grocery bill always stretches much further if you know how to cook from scratch & shop for bargains.

68 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:52:11am

re: #65 rightside

Good morning again Lizards!

Does this really surprise anyone?

No, of course that is not a surprise. Meanwhile, parents themselves cannot enter their child's school in some places.

69 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:52:36am

re: #65 rightside

Visiting a child-care facility and finding a stuffed toy that looks like this is reason enough to think twice.

70 guzziguy  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:52:55am

re: #37 galloping granny

In order to collect foodstamps you must have either a dependent child who lives with you or meet certain other conditions such as disability. Just going to college to get a PhD is not grounds for public financial support.

During the only time period in which there even was a Food Stamp program for Obama's mama to collect food stamps from, he was a teenager living with his grandparents - who worked. They could not have collected foodstamps for Obama and their income would have been counted towards food stamp eligibility if mama had said she was living with them.

Mama was a welfare cheat.

Don't doubt it. Thanks for th clarification

71 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:53:35am

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When Obama worked in Chicago, wasn't his main job helping folks to find the nearest government teat to suckle up to?

I have understood his main job to be "community organizer" - which to me means rabble rouser, organizing political demonstrations and stuff like that. At least that is what the East Coast community groups that "organize" do.

72 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:54:29am
73 Erik The Red  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:54:43am

re: #59 storagemanager

South AfricaZim weapons ship waits for OK 2008-4-17 08:24Durban - South Africa approved a transit permit this week for the shipment of tons of weapons and ammunition destined for Zimbabwe.
A Chinese ship with almost three million rounds of ammunitions for small arms and AK-47s, about 3 500 mortars and mortar launchers, as well as 1 500 rockets for rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs) arrived in Durban Harbour on Monday shortly before the permit was issued.

According to a copy that Beeld has of the ship's cargo documentation, it was finalised on April 1, three days after Zimbabwe's election.

It was not known when the order for the weapons had been placed.

An inspection by the South African customs authority deemed this consignment "risky" and further shipment was halted for the moment.

According to the South African Revenue Service (SARS), who are responsible for customs control, the six containers in which the weapons had been packed would be inspected by SARS and police officials on Thursday to determine whether they were, indeed, suspect.

'A question of morality'

Part of the shipment apparently also was destined for "clients" in South Africa.

Arms-control experts said on Wednesday that there was technically probably nothing wrong with the weapons transaction between China and Zimbabwe, nor with the issuing of the transport permit.

Guy Lamb of the Institute for Security Studies said: "It's not a question of illegality, but rather of morality, in light of the tense situation in Zimbabwe, especially if it was to contribute to the situation exploding."

The weapons were supposed to be transported by road from Durban to Harare.

msBesides the transport permit issued by the National Conventional Ar Control Committee (NCACC), a clearance permit from the explosives department of the police is still needed before the shipment can be released.

Minister of Justice Mosiuoa Lekota and Minister of Provincial and Local Government Sydney Mufamadi, who is also the chairperson of the NCACC, or their directors-general usually issue these kinds of permits in consultation with the National Intelligence Service, the Secret Service and the Department of Foreign Affairs.

Mufamadi is also part of President Thabo Mbeki's mediation team handling the election crisis in Zimbabwe.

Noseweek's Martin Welz brought the shipment's arrival to the media's attention on Wednesday.

The Transnet port authority confirmed that the Chinese ship, the An Yue Jiang, anchored in Durban harbour on Tuesday after they had allowed it access in terms of certain protocols.

Not in actual harbour yet

However, when customs personnel examined the ship's manifesto and the documentation specifying the cargo they found, in collaboration with the police, that the cargo was a "potential risk" because there was something wrong with the documents.

According to SARS, the ship was not in the harbour, but within the boundaries of the harbour.

The ship was due to enter the harbour on Thursday after which the containers would be opened and all the contents would be inspected.

If the SARS officials saw anything suspicious in the consignment it would be referred to the Foreign Affairs Department.

The law consequently would determine if the ship or the cargo should be seized.

Lamb said it was strange for a shipment of weapons for Zimbabwe to be sent via Durban because the Mozambican harbour town, Beira, had always been used for the shipment of Zimbabwe's military equipment which was then sent by train to Harare.

This route was the shortest, fastest route from a port to Harare.

SA playing neutral role

74 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:54:58am

Abuse at an Islamic jail..Muslims abusing Muslims...impossible ..lies!

Physical abuse of prisoners by their wardens at a Jordan jail was the cause of riots this week that led to the deaths of three inmates, a human rights group said on Wednesday.

"Mistreatment and beatings of inmates by some policemen at the Muaqqar prison led to the rioting" on Monday, the National Centre for Human Rights (NCHR) said in a strongly worded report after visiting the facility on Tuesday.

[Link: www.alarabiya.net...]

75 Erik The Red  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:55:41am

re: #73 Erik The Red

SA playing neutral role

Lamb said the shipment's timing was reason for great concern and one which the South African authorities needed to consider.

He thought that the debacle potentially could badly undermine the mediation process in Zimbabwe, in which South Africa was supposed to play a cardinal, neutral role.

The ministries of defence and foreign affairs referred all enquiries to Mufamadi's office, but no comment was available at the time of going to press.

76 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:57:00am

re: #73 Erik The Red

...SARS?

77 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:57:25am
A suicide bomber struck a funeral in northern Iraq on Thursday, killing 49 mourners in the latest attack in a region where al Qaeda militants have regrouped, police said.

The attack was one of the deadliest in Iraq for months and underscored the ability of militants to wreak havoc despite overall falls in violence.

Police said more than 50 people had been wounded when the bomber detonated a suicide vest in a Sunni Arab village near the town of Adhaim in Diyala province during the funeral of two members of a U.S.-backed neighborhood security unit.

[Link: www.alarabiya.net...]

78 Erik The Red  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:57:52am

re: #76 laZardo

South African Revenue Service

79 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 4:59:39am
Jews and other in the pro-Israel community who have serious misgivings about Senator Obama's stand on Israel's security aren't crazy. Obama supporters minimize the concerns about the candidates choice of Israel- bashing advisors, unscripted statements calling for more painful concessions by Israel (while it is undergoing the pain of daily attacks on its civilains), and affinity for Israel haters. They claim that some neurotically paranoid, war-mongering, and biased Jews are reacting only to his name-Hussein.


Now we know that we are not the only ones who interpret Obama's record and rhetoric as anti-Israel. Hamas, the terrorist organization whose charter commits it to the violent destruction of all Jews and Islamic dominion over every inch of the Middle East, agrees that Obama is their man.

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

80 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:01:51am
81 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:03:22am

re: #33 storagemanager

"The expansionist powers made various plans and organized a military expedition into the region to dominate the world's energy resources and stop the spread of cultural and humanitarian values of the Islamic Revolution."

You got that part right, ShortShit.

82 guzziguy  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:04:52am

re: #33 storagemanager


"I am proud to announce today that the Iranian nation's power is of an extent that no major power can dare jeopardize the security and interests of the Iranian nation,"

I'm glad that Baghdad Bob the Saddam era Iraqi (mis)Information Minister has been able to find work.

83 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:05:41am

re: #81 MandyManners

Humanitarian values of the Islamic Revolution?

/can't find a bigger oxymoron than that...

84 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:05:53am

re: #72 buzzsawmonkey

I may, as you say, have gotten lucky--either as regards the overall regulations in effect at the time, the state regulations at the time, or even a sympathetic worker in the office, though my recollection of the office (thankfully, dim now) does not suggest that the latter was the case.

I suspect that the eligibility requirements are very different from what they were 30+ years ago. Certainly when a friend of mine a few years ago was going through a very rough patch and decided to see if she could qualify for food stamps she was given so many hoops to jump through she decided the hell with it.

Looking back on my own experience with the public dole, I have to say that I am on the one hand grateful that the program was available during that utterly miserable time in my life, yet on the other hand suspect that had it not been there I might have come up with a more creative solution to the difficulties I was undergoing. Even if it had meant that I had to interrupt my course of study it might well have been better in the long run.

People should not be allowed to starve. But institutionalizing poverty maintenance creates a floor which kills initiative.

Buzz, the eligibility requirements really have not changed much over time. Neither, BTW, has the dollar amount a recipient receives. The big do-over you referred to earlier changed the program from the one that you probably remember where once a month you took your money down and bought food stamps worth far more money to the outright grant of food stamps that we have today. Other than that, there have been various rulings that have actually loosened the requirements - allowing the homeless to collect food stamps is one of those. At one time you had to have a permanent address that was not a postal box in order to collect.

The hoops you have to jump through are notorious. I have never quite decided if they are deliberately onerous to discourage people (if you do all this stuff then you must really need the help) or if they are a deliberate attempt to demean & demoralize people. And of course they are sometimes pretty arbitrary and unfair. Many a person has jumped through all those hoops to find that they make just a single $1 too much a month to receive any help.

One interesting thing about the Food Stamp program is that in the early 60's when it was first proposed the then-Surgeon General of the United States testified to Congress that the diet the program was based on was one that should be used by adults only in an emergency and then only for a few months and should never be used by a child. That was ignored and Food Stamps today are based on that same diet. As I recall, it is the Dachau diet plus some minimal amount. You can read all about it in Hunger in New England, published by Harvard School of Public Health in the 70's. (VERY hard to lay hands on a copy.)

85 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:06:17am

Mind Crime! In France it's illegal to point out the obvious.

go Bardot!

86 bikermailman  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:07:25am

Mornin' kids! How about that debate last night, huh?

87 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:08:42am

Good morning Lizards...........

88 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:08:46am

re: #82 guzziguy

I'm glad that Baghdad Bob the Saddam era Iraqi (mis)Information Minister has been able to find work.


Do you see anyone stopping it?...Please name the country..I may have missed it.

89 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:09:09am

re: #85 FrogMarch

OPERATION: Mind Crime!

90 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:09:31am

re: #63 madisonsfriend

We've been in a financial slump for years -- our combined income has been dropping for four years straight as the cost of living in our area has soared (currently at about 140% of national average -- so much for the south being affordable). We've learned to be very frugal -- being vegetarians helps, though even there, I'm always amazed at the way that vegetarian foods tend to get gold-plated. Lifestyles of the rich and meatless, I guess. That said, if you cook and don't rely on convenience food, you can eat healthier for much less.

OTOH, don't get me started on milk prices. I'm thinking I need to get a cow.

91 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:12:42am

re: #50 laZardo

I went to a Sbarros here last weekend and they had a picture of the founding couple on the walls. Even though I've never actually seen her face, the first thing that came into mind when I saw Mrs. Sbarro was... BabbaZee!?

Post a pic of her and I'll tell you if there's any resemblance

lol

92 bikermailman  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:13:01am

Via American Thinker, via S&L, re: Barry's mom getting Food Stamps.

[Barack Obama] was born in 1961 but his mother could not get food stamps then because a) she was married and b) they were not available then.


Then [Barack Senior] moved to a foreign country. I don't think that we were sending food stamps to foreign nations.


When she moved back in 1965, food stamps were not available in Hawaii in 1965.


In 1967, she married the second time and moved to Jakarta. Nope, no food stamps then.


By the time she moved back once again, he was living with his grandparents who had jobs and food stamps were not being handed out like Halloween candy in those years.

93 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:13:22am

re: #89 BabbaZee

OPERATION: Mind Crime!

Heh heh heh what a way to start the morning... ((BabbaZee))

94 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:13:37am

Good thing American troops died to free Afghanistan of the Taliban

---- KABUL (AFP) — An Afghan legislative committee has drafted a bill seeking to introduce Taliban-style Islamic morality codes banning women from wearing make-up in public and forbidding young boys from wearing female fashions.

The draft, a copy of which was obtained by AFP, needs approval by both chambers of the Islamist-dominated parliament and President Hamid Karzai signature to become a law.

"Women and girls are obliged to not wear make-up, wear suitable dresses and observe hijab (veil) while at work or classrooms," said one article of the draft.

It also aims to ban women dancers performing during concerts and other public events as well as on television.

Men and young boys must avoid wearing bracelets, necklaces, "feminist dresses," and hair-bands, the draft reads.

The proposals also demand an end to dog and bird-fighting, pigeon-flying, billiards and video games, all past times favoured by many Afghans.

[Link: www.weaselzippers.net...]

95 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:13:38am

re: #90 Lucius Septimius

When it costs $20 to get two lbs of butter and a half gallon of milk we are in deep shit

96 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:13:55am
97 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:14:01am

re: #84 galloping granny

the Dachau diet plus some minimal amount.

I'm surprised Hollywood starlets aren't clamoring to get on foodstamps.

98 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:14:08am

re: #93 doriangrey

{DORIAN!}

99 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:14:39am

re: #89 BabbaZee

Queensryche?

100 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:15:24am

re: #99 rightside

Queensryche?

Yup....

101 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:16:25am

re: #98 BabbaZee

{DORIAN!}

Ah yes, the song that launched their careers.......

102 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:16:31am

re: #95 BabbaZee

When it costs $20 to get two lbs of butter and a half gallon of milk we are in deep shit

OUCH! You are paying that much for 2 pounds of butter and a half gallon of milk? I bought butter last week 2/$5 on sale. Milk is still under $5 a gallon here. And if I wanted Kate's Handmade butter that is still under $5 too.

103 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:17:10am

Let's see how many kids we can get crying here ... one's gone off, likely to set another one off. Mom leaves for the morning and all hell breaks loose.

104 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:17:13am
105 opnion  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:17:21am

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When Obama worked in Chicago, wasn't his main job helping folks to find the nearest government teat to suckle up to?


Yes it was. Now the deliteful Michelle leads Community Outreach for the University of Chicago Medical Center. The goal is to steer indigents away from the U of C to to the County Hospital. A regular Evita

106 bikermailman  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:17:43am

re: #102 galloping granny

OUCH! You are paying that much for 2 pounds of butter and a half gallon of milk? I bought butter last week 2/$5 on sale. Milk is still under $5 a gallon here. And if I wanted Kate's Handmade butter that is still under $5 too.

How much for Kate?

107 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:17:46am

re: #102 galloping granny

OUCH! You are paying that much for 2 pounds of butter and a half gallon of milk? I bought butter last week 2/$5 on sale. Milk is still under $5 a gallon here. And if I wanted Kate's Handmade butter that is still under $5 too.

I can only buy butter on sale.
It is $4.99 LB regularly

and milk is near $5 per Half Gallon

108 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:17:51am

re: #100 doriangrey

Yup....


Morning dorian, and I think they were one of the most under rated bands of all time.

109 JamesTKirk  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:18:03am

re: #81 MandyManners

"The expansionist powers made various plans and organized a military expedition into the region to dominate the world's energy resources and stop the spread of cultural and humanitarian values of the Islamic Revolution."

Doesn't the Islamic Revolution need to have some "cultural and humanitarian values" before we can stop them?

110 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:18:20am

re: #101 doriangrey

He has such a great voice

111 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:18:24am

re: #97 Lucius Septimius

I'm surprised Hollywood starlets aren't clamoring to get on foodstamps.

Wouldn't do them any good. The "diet" does not come with the foodstamps. It is just the basis for the "average market basket" cost that is used to calculate food stamp dollar amounts.

112 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:18:58am
Sadrist leaders asserted they refuse to hand over Shiite Cleric Muqtada al-Sadr’s al-Mahdi army’s weapons to the Iraqi government or dissolve it except if Shiite top clerics gave directives to do that

.....

Muqtada al-Sadr would not dissolve al-Mahdi army unless the Iraqi government implements his conditions; establishing a justice state in Iraq, forming a technocrat government , the matter that could not be done with U.S. forces present in the country,” al-Marwani said.
“al-Sadr’s main demand is the withdrawal of the foreign occupation from Iraq or at least putting a timetable to pullout troops,” he explained.
For his part, Azheer al-Koufi, al-Mahdi army leader, expressed refusal to dissolve al-Mahdi army underling to the paper “the presence of al-Mahdi army guarantees the presence of Muqtada al-Sadr in the Iraqi arena.”
“Al-Mahdi army is stronger than the U.S.-made Iraqi army itself,” he underlined

Before someone jumps in...without U.S. air support he would have won...face it. [Link: www.aswataliraq.info...]

113 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:19:33am

re: #104 BabbaZee

Well, it does take a while to get used to the smell.

114 JamesTKirk  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:20:15am
115 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:20:17am

re: #98 BabbaZee

{DORIAN!}

Back in the early 80's my brother went up to Seattle on business and when he came home he had a cassette he bought in a bar from at the time an unknown Seattle band... Yup you know it was Queensryche, the tape had four songs on it. Take hold of the Flame was one of them.

116 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:20:18am

re: #108 rightside

Morning dorian, and I think they were one of the most under rated bands of all time.

They were good

117 red satellite  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:20:35am

This from al-Reuters:
Shana was covering events in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip for Reuters on a day of intense violence when 16 other Palestinians and three Israeli soldiers were also killed.

Uh...a poor PALESTINIAN camerman hanging out with Hamas. Killed.
It's all Israel's fault.

Of course, not dutifully reported is Shana was imbedded with Hamas. Hamas has just AMBUSHED and killed 3 Israeli soldiers. And Israel, RIGHTFULLY, decides to respond. And we get "...and three Israeli soldiers were also killed."

118 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:20:50am

re: #113 laZardo

Bah
I love you.

Smell that , kid.

119 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:21:37am

re: #114 JamesTKirk

Mornin' Babs!

LOL!

/sad but true

120 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:21:43am

re: #104 BabbaZee

One of my favorite albums of all time. I needed that this morning.

121 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:22:22am

Speaking of living and eating frugally...

My first year as a doctoral student, I had a whopping $8,700 stipend. I lived within that. I didn't run my air conditioning, and I at an assload (no pun intended) of 4 for a dollar frozen burritos. I got by. My checking account balance actually went up.

What really chapped my ass, though, was standing in line one day with the cheapest cut of meat I could find in my little basket while some dolt in front of me went through with, literally, a cart full of high dollar items (filet mignon, fresh shrimp) and paid for it all with food stamps.

I don't begrudge helping those who cannot help themselves, but I do draw the line at people abusing the system.

Reminds me of the time I watched an elderly lady leave a free food bank with a cart full of free food and put it into the trunk of a brand new Cadillac.

122 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:22:36am

re: #103 Lucius Septimius

Let's see how many kids we can get crying here ... one's gone off, likely to set another one off. Mom leaves for the morning and all hell breaks loose.

Ignore them if there's no blood and it will stop

lol

123 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:23:00am

re: #108 rightside

Morning dorian, and I think they were one of the most under rated bands of all time.

They are a great band no doubt about it, but they violated one of the cardinal rules of Rock and Roll, which is why they are so under-rated... They filled their music with politics...

124 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:23:32am

CTP

Junkies sell their food stamps to people all the time
That was probably not a direct recipient of the food stamps but someone who bought them half price from an addict

125 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:23:39am

re: #111 galloping granny

Wouldn't do them any good. The "diet" does not come with the foodstamps. It is just the basis for the "average market basket" cost that is used to calculate food stamp dollar amounts.

Years ago I remember studying how that was calculated. It is somewhat bizarre, and while you could feed people off of it, it takes a great degree of creativity.

126 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:23:56am

re: #123 doriangrey

They are a great band no doubt about it, but they violated one of the cardinal rules of Rock and Roll, which is why they are so under-rated... They filled their music with politics...

AMEN

But the inadvertently made a very prophetic CD with WARNING

127 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:25:00am

re: #120 Lucius Septimius

One of my favorite albums of all time. I needed that this morning.

{Lucius}

128 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:25:27am

re: #83 laZardo

Humanitarian values of the Islamic Revolution?

/can't find a bigger oxymoron than that...

What're the cultural values? Blowing up Buddhas and banning song birds?

129 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:25:46am

re: #124 BabbaZee

That would not surprise me at all...

130 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:26:02am

Afghanistan the shining light of success

..."The court proceedings are carried out behind closed doors, without the presence of defence attorneys, and often without the presentation of any proof on the part of the public prosecutor," said Wadir Safi, a jurist and law professor at the University of Kabul.

"In essence, we can say that justice in our country does not work and the accused do not enjoy any form of guarantee."

These charges have been rejected by Rashed, who said that "all death sentences have been issued on the basis of Islamic law and confirmed by all three petitions provided for under current legislation."

[Link: www.adnkronos.com...]

131 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:26:11am

re: #127 BabbaZee

{Lucius}

LOL!

132 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:26:17am

re: #110 BabbaZee

He has such a great voice

Yup, Geoff Tate ranks right up there with Bruce Dickinson and Pat Benatar. Classically trained in the operatic vocal style.

133 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:26:28am

re: #128 MandyManners

You forgot mutilating female gentalia

134 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:26:34am

re: #109 JamesTKirk

Doesn't the Islamic Revolution need to have some "cultural and humanitarian values" before we can stop them?

Yogurt has more culture than Islam.

135 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:26:43am

re: #131 Lucius Septimius

LOL!

Short answer: probably not.

{Babba!}

136 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:26:46am

re: #129 christheprofessor

I used to see it all the time

137 eon  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:27:06am

re: #49 storagemanager

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Morning, Lizards.

Morning, Storage.

This pretty much confirms the conclusions I've reached in recent months. The threat is a lot more serious than "just" the potential for the jihadis to acquire a working MILSPEC weapon from a third party.

First of all, if you have the necessary core material, making a crude but effective A-bomb just isn't that hard. "Little Boy", the Hiroshima uranium "gun bomb" was little more than a piece of steel pipe with a sphere of U-235 at one end, a cone of it at the other, and (I kid you not) six bags of smokeless rifle powder to slam cone into sphere. The "safety" feature consisted of not putting the powder bags in until the Enola Gay was in the air and approaching the Japanese coast.

The "Fat Man" Nagasaki plutonium bomb was technically a bit more sophisticated, but in the end was little more involved to build. Without going into details I'd rather not give to the adverse party, I would say that anyone who had the necessary materials (Pu-239/240 plus the rest of the bits) could build a similar bomb if they had a four-year degree in engineering and a decent physics background. (I have neither one, and I understand the procedures from a purely practical POV.) Tom Clancy covered this ground in The Sum of All Fears, and came to the same conclusion. like it or not, the nuclear cat is out of the bag, and has been literally for decades.

Note that neither bomb would be "one point safe", as Wretchard says. In fact, it is impossible to make a Hiroshima-type device "one point safe" (chance of accidental detonation 1 in 100,000). (This is why such weapons are no longer inventoried by the U.S., UK, or France.) However, to the jihadis, this would not be relevant for the following reasons;

1. Their belief system conditions them to regard everything as the expressed will of their deity. As such, if a "jihadi bomb" intended for, say, Paris, were to detonate when bumped or dropped while being smuggled into France through Marseilles, their conclusion would be "it was the Will of Allah- obviously, that city was far more evil than Paris."
Even an "own goal" ( a detonation in their own home turf) would be rationalized in this way- any Muslim killed by same would simply be a "martyr". And of course, they would instantly blame Israel and the U.S. for a "barbarous attack on innocents"- with our own home-grown "progressives" and MSM rallying around to support them on the grounds that it has to be our fault, because "everyone knows that jihadis can't build an A-bomb".

This puts the jihadis in the position of playing the cruel childhood coin-flip "joke" that goes, "heads, I win- tails, you lose" on a strategic scale. From their POV, there's no downside.

2. Most of the complex fusing and time-delay control systems of a MILSPEC bomb are not necessary for their purposes. All they need is a button to be pushed (or a deadman switch to be released) at the proper time by a volunteer "martyr". Who becomes the ultimate "suicide" (homicide) bomber in their warped worldview.

Add in the fact that fissionable material is all too easily available from very questionable sources (Nigerian Yellowcake, anyone?), and the "window of opportunity" for a jihadi nuclear attack- or a series of same- is much wider than anyone could have anticipated even a decade ago.

(Unless of course they were writers like Clancy, Martin Caidin, H. Beam Piper, etc., who were considering the possibility of such things going back to the 1950s.)

Sorry for the length of this "drive-by" post, but this is an important subject- that our leaders have so far failed to take seriously.

Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

138 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:28:06am

re: #132 doriangrey

Yup, Geoff Tate ranks right up there with Bruce Dickinson and Pat Benatar. Classically trained in the operatic vocal style.

I used to call him Baby Halford!

lol

139 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:28:12am

The Jihad is progressing on every front and infiltrating the West and they are now infiltrating our financial institutions with “Shariah Complaint Finance”
This will have deadly consequences to our already fragile economy, jeopardize our security and democracy.
Please sign the Petition below and inform all your friends.
We need to collect thousands of signatures which we will then send onto SEC, Dept of Justice, FBI, CSP, US Treasury Dept and any and all other relevant agencies.
Thank you

[Link: shariahfinancewatch.wordpress.com...]

140 3 wood  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:28:36am

re: #121 christheprofessor

What really chapped my ass, though, was standing in line one day with the cheapest cut of meat I could find in my little basket while some dolt in front of me went through with, literally, a cart full of high dollar items (filet mignon, fresh shrimp) and paid for it all with food stamps.

When we were first married and I was making almost no money, I took a part time job bagging groceries on the weekends at a local grocery to make ends meet. I would see person after person come in buying real expensive food with food stamps (i.e., my tax dollars).

Then they would pull out a $20 and buy lottery tickets and cigarettes.

Jammie, if you are out there, you got mail.

Have to go teach a class now.

Later.

141 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:28:38am

re: #134 MandyManners

I think they mean "Humanitarian" in the same sense as "Vegetarian," that is to say, they devour humanity in the same way that goats devour the bedding plants.

142 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:29:02am

re: #121 christheprofessor

Speaking of living and eating frugally...

My first year as a doctoral student, I had a whopping $8,700 stipend. I lived within that. I didn't run my air conditioning, and I at an assload (no pun intended) of 4 for a dollar frozen burritos. I got by. My checking account balance actually went up.

What really chapped my ass, though, was standing in line one day with the cheapest cut of meat I could find in my little basket while some dolt in front of me went through with, literally, a cart full of high dollar items (filet mignon, fresh shrimp) and paid for it all with food stamps.

I don't begrudge helping those who cannot help themselves, but I do draw the line at people abusing the system.

Reminds me of the time I watched an elderly lady leave a free food bank with a cart full of free food and put it into the trunk of a brand new Cadillac.

I don't automatically freak when I see people with foodstamps who have overloaded carts. The smartest way to shop when you have limited funds is to make just one shopping trip.

As far as the old lady, I used to have a client who did that - her, her hubbie and their disabled son. Brand new Caddie. I could not refuse her food from the food pantry though, because the guidelines said that all social security recipients were eligible. No matter how much money they had in the bank. Absolutely infuriated me one day they stood in line bragging about their recent (as in just got back) cruise to the Bahamas, while I was having to give mothers with small children food that I knew would not be close to enough, no matter how I stretched what I could give them.

143 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:29:13am

re: #135 Lucius Septimius

Short answer: probably not.


You underestimate you.....
;~}

144 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:29:36am

re: #137 eon

Those were experts speaking..I will defer to them...but thanks.

145 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:29:45am

re: #133 BabbaZee

You forgot mutilating female gentalia

I did. Yes, I did. Some things are just too much this early in the a.m. with about four hours of sleep.

146 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:29:46am

re: #142 galloping granny


The smartest way to shop when you have limited funds is to make just one shopping trip.

Once every 6 weeks for me or so

147 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:29:53am

re: #133 BabbaZee

And murdering female relatives for "honor."

148 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:30:28am

re: #136 BabbaZee

I used to see it all the time

I like to think the the elderly lady with the cart full of free food in the Caddy was actually going to distribute it to the real poor. My father, through the Lion's Club, does that -- each week they go to Food Lion and buy a bunch of about-to-expire stuff at a significant discount, then give it to the poor around the town.

149 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:30:36am

re: #145 MandyManners

Some things are just too much this early in the a.m. with about four hours of sleep.


That's my "normal" state , lol . Too much, on no sleep.

150 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:30:51am

re: #148 christheprofessor

I was thinking the same thing

151 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:31:00am

re: #116 BabbaZee

They were good


Still are in my book. Love Silent Lucidity!

152 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:31:03am

re: #138 BabbaZee

I used to call him Baby Halford!

lol

Oh dear.... comparing Geoff Tate to a former roadie who got lucky, might as well compare him to AC/DC's former Limo driver Brian Jones......... Shame on you BabbaZee.... lol...lol...lol...

153 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:31:05am

re: #121 christheprofessor

Yowza. And my parents want me to get my bachelor's degree here before taking "specialized" courses in the States?

/so much for financial aid...

154 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:31:16am

re: #124 BabbaZee

CTP

Junkies sell their food stamps to people all the time
That was probably not a direct recipient of the food stamps but someone who bought them half price from an addict

One of the good things in most states these days is that people do not get paper Food Stamps. They get a card like an ATM card. You can't sell the card (very hard to get another) and you cannot draw out the food stamp money in cash.

155 hayseed  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:31:42am

re: #137 eon

little boy had a fuse that had to be screwed in. that was the safety


/jus saying I must have read a different book

156 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:31:53am

re: #147 laZardo

....and mothers pouring gallons of their children's blood into Moloch's gaping yaw

157 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:32:10am

re: #154 galloping granny

One of the good things in most states these days is that people do not get paper Food Stamps. They get a card like an ATM card. You can't sell the card (very hard to get another) and you cannot draw out the food stamp money in cash.

Oh that's good!

158 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:32:19am

re: #118 BabbaZee

Well, you know what they say about loving someone...

159 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:32:26am

re: #123 doriangrey

They are a great band no doubt about it, but they violated one of the cardinal rules of Rock and Roll, which is why they are so under-rated... They filled their music with politics...


Empire anyone?

160 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:32:54am

Oops -- I set off an email storm at work.

161 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:32:58am

re: #155 hayseed

little boy had a fuse that had to be screwed in. that was the safety


/jus saying I must have read a different book

The gun powder was the fuse...

162 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:33:58am

re: #152 doriangrey

Oh dear.... comparing Geoff Tate to a former roadie who got lucky, might as well compare him to AC/DC's former Limo driver Brian Jones......... Shame on you BabbaZee.... lol...lol...lol...

Dare not impugn the vocal skills of the very gay Rob Halford!
LOL!

163 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:34:10am

re: #160 Lucius Septimius

Oops -- I set off an email storm at work.

Oh no!

164 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:34:28am

re: #158 laZardo

Well, you know what they say about loving someone...

Ya, I know what they say about love...

165 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:34:30am

If an expert with eyes only clearance...speaks that we are in danger..I listen..I am stupid that way.

166 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:35:18am

re: #141 Lucius Septimius

I think they mean "Humanitarian" in the same sense as "Vegetarian," that is to say, they devour humanity in the same way that goats devour the bedding plants.

I just wonder when their nuclear cultural and humanitarian values are gonna' be unleashed.

167 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:35:33am

re: #158 laZardo

Bullshit.
And Fuck Sting too, while we are at it.

LOVE!

/lol

168 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:35:59am

re: #162 BabbaZee

Dare not impugn the vocal skills of the very gay Rob Halford!
LOL!

ROTFLMAO... or his leatherisk fashion sense....

169 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:36:24am

re: #164 doriangrey

NAZARETH!

If it's not Scottish, it's CRAP!

170 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:37:03am

re: #168 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO... or his leatherisk fashion sense....

LOL!
I was the only one for years who knew he was gay and people would get so mad at me, LOL
I was like - dudes, LOOK at him!
WTF is wrong with you all?

171 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:37:14am

re: #167 BabbaZee

George Harrison?

Well, we know who that sort of music leads back to...

172 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:37:22am

re: #169 BabbaZee

NAZARETH!

If it's not Scottish, it's CRAP!

Agreed! Scotland Forever!

173 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:37:27am

re: #140 3 wood

I've never been more embarrassed than when I was home from school one time and my able-bodied brother pulled out food stamps to pay for our chili fixin's in line in front of the person who live a few houses down from us, who knew damn well that my brother was just a worthless PoS who refused to shoulder his responsibilities.

174 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:37:52am

re: #171 laZardo

George Harrison?

Well, we know who that sort of music leads back to...

BBLLLLLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAACCCCCCHHHHHHGHHGGGGHHHHHHH HHH!

175 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:37:59am

re: #149 BabbaZee

That's my "normal" state , lol . Too much, on no sleep.

This was unusual for me, and I don't like it very much. I'll be up to my ass in alligators later today and I'm just too pooped to care.

176 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:38:19am

Morning Lizards. Don't know if this has been put up yet, but it looks like a ray of sanity has broken through in Hollywierd.

Television Star Exits Scientology

This is what he has to say: "Scientology is destructive and a rip-off."

He also says: "It’s very, very dangerous for your spiritual, psychological, mental, emotional health and evolution. I think it stunts your evolution. If Scientology is real, then something’s f---ed up."

Video up on You Tube

177 ec marm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:38:22am

I'm used to seeing the snow at the north end of a front and the rain at the south. Looking at the radar map right now, it's snowing in New Mexico and raining in Iowa from the same system. Here in Pennsylvania today it's going to be bitter(peace be unto Prophet Obama), but nice, 72 degrees for the high.

178 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:38:30am

re: #169 BabbaZee

NAZARETH!

If it's not Scottish, it's CRAP!

Oh dear what would Phil say to that....

179 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:39:03am

re: #142 galloping granny

Did the government ever consider publishing a cook book to show people how to cook simple foods within their means?

180 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:39:03am

re: #163 BabbaZee

All I did was point out an error in scheduling a meeting; now everyone's jumping in claiming that the meeting was scheduled to 'silence' certain parties. Oh brother.

181 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:39:21am
New Delhi, April 16 : India's intelligence agency has warned Delhi Police of five Chinese nationals who may cause disruption to the Olympic torch relay Thursday, senior police officials said Wednesday.


"We have received specific inputs from Intelligence Bureau (IB) and officials have been put on high alert," said a senior police official.

According to intelligence inputs, five Chinese nationals - Mohammad Abdullah, Abdul Khalid, Umar Aziz, Yousaf Sattar and Abdullah Daoud - have crossed Nepal border and are at present in the national capital.

I wonder if they are Muslim? [Link: www.newkerala.com...]

182 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:39:30am

re: #142 galloping granny

It wasn't so much the cart full as the high dollar items. She actually had filet mignon and shrimp in there...

183 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:39:54am

re: #175 MandyManners

This was unusual for me, and I don't like it very much. I'll be up to my ass in alligators later today and I'm just too pooped to care.

Well, if you poop on the alligators when they crawl up there, maybe they'll leave you alone.

184 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:39:59am

re: #170 BabbaZee

LOL!
I was the only one for years who knew he was gay and people would get so mad at me, LOL
I was like - dudes, LOOK at him!
WTF is wrong with you all?

Yup.... He had practically everyone fooled with his Uber-Butch image....

185 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:40:35am

re: #177 ec marm

I'm used to seeing the snow at the north end of a front and the rain at the south. Looking at the radar map right now, it's snowing in New Mexico and raining in Iowa from the same system. Here in Pennsylvania today it's going to be bitter(peace be unto Prophet Obama), but nice, 72 degrees for the high.

Vermont too. Gorgeous day, already 40 and going up to 72.

186 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:40:53am

re: #174 Lucius Septimius

Exactly.

187 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:41:42am

re: #162 BabbaZee

Dare not impugn the vocal skills of the very gay Rob Halford!
LOL!

Now, that'll get me going.

188 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:41:48am

re: #176 Bubblehead II

Thank Anonymous.

/seriously, even Islam doesn't require $3,000 to know the "deep inner truth"...

189 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:41:55am

re: #153 laZardo

Well, that was almost two decades ago. I got by. Lived in an apartment that was about the size of my living room is now...

190 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:42:02am

re: #181 storagemanager

I wonder if they are Muslim? [Link: www.newkerala.com...]

Na, they're obviously just south Asian.........

191 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:43:43am

re: #179 MandyManners

Did the government ever consider publishing a cook book to show people how to cook simple foods within their means?

They did. You can probably still get it. Problem is, though, that it doesn't really teach you anything at all if you do not know how to cook and the recipes are frankly NASTY. Nothing at all that the average person would either serve or want to eat. And not all that nutritionally either.

Not to mention that it is out of date. What was once cheap, like hot dogs, is now over the moon and vice versa.

192 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:44:19am

re: #165 storagemanager

Have I thanked you for the link to Women Living under Muslim Law yet? If not, THANK YOU!

193 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:44:42am
CAIRO, Egypt - Hamas officials said Wednesday that Jimmy Carter's meetings with leaders of the Palestinian militant group will boost its legitimacy despite criticism by Israel and the U.S. government of the former president's personal peace mission.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

194 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:44:58am

re: #188 laZardo

No, just your soul/life

195 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:45:33am

re: #192 MandyManners

Have I thanked you for the link to Women Living under Muslim Law yet? If not, THANK YOU!

You did...but twice is nice..lol

196 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:45:45am

re: #187 MandyManners

Now, that'll get me going.

You want something to get you going? Try this...

197 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:45:58am
198 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:46:03am

re: #169 BabbaZee

NAZARETH!

If it's not Scottish, it's CRAP!

My favorite Nazareth.

You really wanna' mess with me?

199 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:46:16am

re: #180 Lucius Septimius

Sometimes academe really sucks...

200 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:46:46am

re: #184 doriangrey

I guess they never visited Christopher Street, and I had

LOL

201 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:46:46am

re: #177 ec marm

Good morning, EC Marm!

202 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:47:01am

re: #198 MandyManners

My favorite Nazareth.

You really wanna' mess with me?

Excellent!

203 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:47:18am

re: #185 galloping granny

Y'all have a beautiful, bitter day. Meanwhile, there are a bunch of clingers-to-religion down at the ballpark today, to see the Pope. I guess they're bitter, too.
/We are bitter - This I know.
For O-Ba-Ma tells me so...

204 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:47:26am

re: #199 christheprofessor

Sometimes academe really sucks...

Ain't that the truth. My toddlers are more mature than my colleagues much of the time.

205 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:47:29am
A 23-year-old German Muslim went on trial Thursday for stabbing a rabbi in Frankfurt, telling a court that he felt threatened by the rabbi and had acted in self-defense.

Defendant Sajed Aziz testified that the Frankfurt-based rabbi, Zalman Gurevitch, approached him in a threatening manner on a street in the city in September. He said he reacted by pulling a knife and stabbing the rabbi, but did not intend to kill him. Prosecutors have said the rabbi told authorities at the

time of the attack that his assailant said, "I'll kill you, you (expletive) Jew," Then pulled out a knife with a

and stabbed him in the stomach. (AP)

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

206 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:47:36am

re: #180 Lucius Septimius

All I did was point out an error in scheduling a meeting; now everyone's jumping in claiming that the meeting was scheduled to 'silence' certain parties. Oh brother.

Buy a bunch of binkies and pass them around.

207 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:47:53am

The Long Run

/quite the journey for Joe

208 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:47:58am

re: #196 doriangrey

You want something to get you going? Try this...

Voodoo!

One day I will tell you my Blackfoot stories

LOL!

209 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:48:05am

re: #183 Lucius Septimius

Well, if you poop on the alligators when they crawl up there, maybe they'll leave you alone.

Just poop.

210 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:48:19am

re: #202 BabbaZee

Excellent!

Heh heh she's getting the spirit of this....

211 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:48:20am

Momma's little jewel -- wish I could find a better recording than this, but, oh well, the scratches and "close and play" sound bring back memories.

212 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:48:36am

re: #189 christheprofessor

Guess I'd better ramp up my savings efforts then. >___>

re: #197 BabbaZee

It was Yoko's fault, not John's.

213 ec marm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:48:43am

re: #185 galloping granny

Vermont too. Gorgeous day, already 40 and going up to 72.


It's topsy turvy. Time to open the windows and let some heat in. It hasn't been bad the past week, though. Without oil heat, the house has been running in a range of 63 to 70 degrees. Lots of sunshine.

214 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:48:50am

re: #180 Lucius Septimius

All I did was point out an error in scheduling a meeting; now everyone's jumping in claiming that the meeting was scheduled to 'silence' certain parties. Oh brother.

mass victimization mentality hysteria

215 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:49:10am

re: #203 Pullus Iulius

Y'all have a beautiful, bitter day. Meanwhile, there are a bunch of clingers-to-religion down at the ballpark today, to see the Pope. I guess they're bitter, too.
/We are bitter - This I know.
For O-Ba-Ma tells me so...

Very cute! Despite the beautiful day, I will be spending nearly all of mine potting up several hundred tomato plants :)

216 faraway  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:49:22am

I have a few unanswered questions about ObamaX:
1. How did he pay for Columbia?
2. How did he pay for Harvard Law?
3. How did he survive as a "community organizer" and pay for student loans, etc.

217 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:49:42am

re: #176 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards. Don't know if this has been put up yet, but it looks like a ray of sanity has broken through in Hollywierd.

Television Star Exits Scientology

This is what he has to say: "Scientology is destructive and a rip-off."

He also says: "It’s very, very dangerous for your spiritual, psychological, mental, emotional health and evolution. I think it stunts your evolution. If Scientology is real, then something’s f---ed up."

Video up on You Tube

Jason Beghe! Nummy-num-num.

218 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:49:45am

re: #208 BabbaZee

Voodoo!

One day I will tell you my Blackfoot stories

LOL!

Looking forward to it.........

219 ModerateWolverine  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:50:03am

Mornin' lizards

220 Miss Trixie  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:50:09am

Good.

Morning.

Lizards.

&#9834

*thump*

221 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:50:10am

re: #179 MandyManners

My Beloved Phil!

/may his name live forever

222 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:50:23am

re: #209 MandyManners

Just poop.

heh.

223 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:50:23am

re: #218 doriangrey

Quite amusing LOL

224 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:51:03am

re: #212 laZardo

Guess I'd better ramp up my savings efforts then. >___>

re: #197 BabbaZee

It was Yoko's fault, not John's.

Bah, he LET her put the ring in his nose.
Commie Weakling!

225 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:51:04am

re: #179 MandyManners

Did the government ever consider publishing a cook book to show people how to cook simple foods within their means?

Speaking of cookbooks... Check out this site: Feeding America: The Historic American Cookbook Project. It's got a bunch of old cookbooks in both .pdf and html format.

226 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:51:12am

re: #214 BabbaZee

mass victimization mentality hysteria

That's a lot more generous than I'm feeling at the moment.

227 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:51:13am

re: #191 galloping granny

They did. You can probably still get it. Problem is, though, that it doesn't really teach you anything at all if you do not know how to cook and the recipes are frankly NASTY. Nothing at all that the average person would either serve or want to eat. And not all that nutritionally either.

Not to mention that it is out of date. What was once cheap, like hot dogs, is now over the moon and vice versa.

Maybe a new one should be written. Would the vegetarians/vegans take it over, though? Would sections on halal food be required?

228 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:52:10am

re: #213 ec marm

It's topsy turvy. Time to open the windows and let some heat in. It hasn't been bad the past week, though. Without oil heat, the house has been running in a range of 63 to 70 degrees. Lots of sunshine.

We've been keeping our heat on about 64 all winter anyway and I spent about a $100 and as many hours weatherizing last fall. It made a huge difference in the amount of oil we used - cut it by half or more - but the price increases did away with any savings. Had 150 gallons delivered two days ago and the bill was $599.85

229 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:52:39am

re: #204 Lucius Septimius

Ain't that the truth. My toddlers are more mature than my colleagues much of the time.

In my experience, the most arrogant, nasty folks are the weakest intellectually. They try to put their colleagues and students down to build themselves up.

230 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:52:51am

re: #107 BabbaZee


Wow, just read that.

I am very fortunate to have use of our commissary here for groceries. Thanks to all the fellow lizards that help in that!

231 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:53:00am

re: #176 Bubblehead II

Good for him whoever he is

232 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:53:41am

re: #195 storagemanager

You did...but twice is nice..lol

It's very interesting, and hopeful.

233 ec marm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:53:54am

re: #201 MandyManners

Good morning, EC Marm!


Hey, Good Morning.

234 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:54:11am

re: #230 rightside

It's scary actually.
I have no income, on disability now, and I was not eligible for food stamps etc becasue I had a 401K from the job I worked for 15 years...

But I also can't get that money out to use it without loosing half of it

I am sorry I even did it now

235 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:54:30am

re: #225 christheprofessor

Speaking of cookbooks... Check out this site: Feeding America: The Historic American Cookbook Project. It's got a bunch of old cookbooks in both .pdf and html format.

I have some of those old cookbooks in real life. That has long been one of my favorite sites. Duke I think it is has more.

236 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:54:34am

re: #196 doriangrey

You want something to get you going? Try this...

Now, that takes me back to my youth!

237 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:54:46am

re: #226 Lucius Septimius

That's a lot more generous than I'm feeling at the moment.

I love it when you are spleenical

238 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:55:08am

re: #235 galloping granny

I have tons of old cook books I love them

239 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:55:18am

re: #212 laZardo

Do it, dude (dudette?).

My philosophy about education and braces was: in X years, I'm going to be that much older. I can be degree-less and have crooked teeth, or I can have a degree and straight teeth, but the time is going to pass either way. Might as well improve myself as the time goes by.

240 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:55:27am

re: #224 BabbaZee

Yoko was no gentle flower. =_=

241 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:55:43am

re: #202 BabbaZee

Excellent!

Made a mistake the other day and let the song play on the radio when The Kid was in the car. I must be insane.

242 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:55:56am

re: #229 christheprofessor

In my experience, the most arrogant, nasty folks are the weakest intellectually. They try to put their colleagues and students down to build themselves up.

Yep. The "Axis of Mediocrity." Moreover, getting consumed by departmental politics is a hell of a lot easier than taking your research and teaching seriously.

243 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:56:24am

re: #237 BabbaZee

I love it when you are spleenical

I've got enough spleen for the both of us.

244 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:56:32am

re: #211 Lucius Septimius


hymn for the dudes!

245 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:56:41am

Well off to the salt mine with this lizard.......... Must go give the terrorists money again. I'm not to thrilled with the $0.68 per gallon in taxes I'm paying either. $55.00 to fill up my tank Tuesday and the tax portion of that was $10.00.... Grrrrrrrrr

246 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:56:57am
MOUNT VERNON, Ohio — An Ohio middle school teacher says he won't obey an order to remove a Bible from view of students.

John Freshwater said Wednesday he agreed to remove a collage from his classroom that included the Ten Commandments, but that asking him to remove the Bible on his desk goes too far.

Officials with the Mount Vernon School District say they don't oppose religion but are required by the U.S. Constitution not to promote or favor any set of religious beliefs.

Freshwater says being forced to keep the Bible out of sight would infringe on his rights.

Mount Vernon is about 40 miles northeast of Columbus.

If it was a Koran..nothing would be said. [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

247 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:57:05am

re: #240 laZardo

Yoko was no gentle flower. =_=

She was not even a flower.
More like a lichen

248 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:57:24am

re: #238 BabbaZee

I have tons of old cook books I love them

Me too. And I keep buying more. I guess my two favorites are the just -post WWII Joy of Cooking (mother only, daughter was not working on it then) in the blue & black plaid cover and a baking book put out by one of the baking companies.

249 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:57:31am

re: #235 galloping granny

I have some of those old cookbooks in real life. That has long been one of my favorite sites. Duke I think it is has more.

Cool. I have a bunch of my mother's old cookbooks as well...

250 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:57:33am

re: #243 Lucius Septimius

I've got enough spleen for the both of us.

Of this I am certain!

251 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:57:56am

re: #221 BabbaZee

My Beloved Phil!

/may his name live forever

Another one I've not heard in ages! Awesome bass.

252 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:58:25am

re: #247 BabbaZee

She was not even a flower.
More like a lichen

Yoko

253 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:58:44am

re: #222 Lucius Septimius

Where's my giant puppet?

254 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:58:56am

re: #239 christheprofessor

Dude. (:

Seriously though, at least Transportation Design is a worthwhile major compared to the stuff that other people my age like to take up...if you know what I mean.

/plus, I really need to fix that crossbite...

255 doriangrey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:59:02am

re: #244 BabbaZee


hymn for the dudes!

Speaking of dudes........

256 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:59:02am

re: #217 MandyManners

The only question now is how long is it going to be before they (CoS) sue him for defamation? They are just as well versed or even better at, Leagal Jihad than Cair is.

257 babes  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:59:13am

A questions to the Lizards:

Was Obama some kind of 'freelance' community organizer?

Was he associated with a 'recognized' organization?

What did he actually accomplish as a community organizer?

And, to repeat a Lizard, how did he pay his student loans as a community organizer?

Who was paying him or was he living on food stamps?

How long was he a community organizer?

258 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:59:41am

Get Back

/ain't Yoko's fault that John hasn't a clue and George has to turn his amp on

259 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 5:59:48am

re: #247 BabbaZee

Lichen is close.

260 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:00:20am

re: #242 Lucius Septimius

Yep. The "Axis of Mediocrity." Moreover, getting consumed by departmental politics is a hell of a lot easier than taking your research and teaching seriously.

So true. At least your research is interesting and meaningful. Most of the research done in my field is meaningless bullshit done in the pursuit of tenure.

btw, I'm convinced that's part of the reason we get such crap as not grading in red because it hurts the poor kiddies' self-esteem out of schools of education...

261 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:00:23am

re: #253 MandyManners

Where's my giant puppet?

Here ya go.

262 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:00:53am

re: #225 christheprofessor

Speaking of cookbooks... Check out this site: Feeding America: The Historic American Cookbook Project. It's got a bunch of old cookbooks in both .pdf and html format.

Sounds yummy.

I have an old Mary Margaret McBride cookbook. That thing is HUGE.

263 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:02:08am

re: #258 Killian Bundy

Get Back

/ain't Yoko's fault that John hasn't a clue and George has to turn his amp on

ROTF!

264 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:02:21am

re: #254 laZardo

Heh. Get on with it!

265 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:02:31am

re: #234 BabbaZee

Yet you seem so amazingly upbeat. I'd gladly send you some of those items if they didn't spoil. :^)

266 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:02:36am

Missing Romney

Romney's top 10 reasons for dropping out:

No. 10: There weren't as many Osmonds as he thought.
No. 9: Got tired of the corkscrew landings of his campaign plane while under fire.
No. 8: As a lifelong hunter, I didn't want to miss the start of varmint season.
No. 7: There wasn't room for two Christian leaders in the presidential race.
No. 6: I'd rather get fat, grow a beard and try for the Nobel prize.
No. 5: Got tired of wearing a dark suit and tie, and I wanted to kick back in a light colored suit and tie.
No. 4: When his wife realized he couldn't win the GOP nomination, my fundraising dried up.
No. 2: I took a bad fall at a campaign rally and broke my hair.
No. 1: Campaign relied on a flawed campaign strategy that as Utah goes, so goes the nation.

267 Spiritualized  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:02:43am

The Paleonazis are trying to gulit-trip Morrissey into cancelling a planned Israel show:

Morrissey Plans New Single, Show in Israel

The Tel Aviv show has drawn criticism from the Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel, who accuse Morrissey of violating his avowed anti-racist attitude by performing in Israel.

The ultimate irony being that seeing as he's gay, Israel is the only country in the Middle East where he'd be welcome.

He's also a member of PETA, so the turtle-slaughtering, cat-torturing Paleonazis should really be keeping their heads down instead of displaying their usual chutzpah.

268 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:02:59am

re: #262 MandyManners

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that...

269 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:03:00am

re: #233 ec marm

Thank you for all the help you're giving me!

270 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:03:01am

re: #255 doriangrey

Speaking of dudes........

BLINK

271 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:03:44am

Did anyone watch that debate in HD last night?

/those people are more than dangerous, they're scary dangerous

272 Miss Trixie  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:04:20am

Cookbook lovers - you must have visited Lilek's site, right? The Gallery of Regrettable Food.

:D

273 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:04:43am

re: #257 babes

A questions to the Lizards:

Was Obama some kind of 'freelance' community organizer?

Was he associated with a 'recognized' organization?

What did he actually accomplish as a community organizer?

And, to repeat a Lizard, how did he pay his student loans as a community organizer?

Who was paying him or was he living on food stamps?

How long was he a community organizer?

No clue.

274 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:05:13am
Couple Puts Boy in Trunk and Big TV in Car Seat

[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

275 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:05:50am

re: #260 christheprofessor


btw, I'm convinced that's part of the reason we get such crap as not grading in red because it hurts the poor kiddies' self-esteem out of schools of education...

No doubt.

I remember one former colleague going on about that sort of thing, and finding examples of "sexual harassment" in every poster, sign, etc. on campus. She claimed that because I had a picture of my wife and my -- get this -- grandmother's high-school graduation picture on my desk that this created a "hostile environment." This not long after a famous diatribe in which she referenced "her therapists" -- note the plural.

Eventually me and a couple of other male faculty catalogued "offensive" postings on people's office doors and found that the most egregious examples were on the doors of the female faculty. Most guys just had a silly cartoon or two; the women all had virulant male-bashing, ultra leftist agit prop.

She was eventually canned; the "hostile environment" hoopla died down ... for a while. I'm awaiting it's return.

276 ethanxxx  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:05:50am

–actually we like Mr. Obama. We hope he will (win) the election and I do believe he is like John Kennedy, great man with great principle, and he has a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community but not with domination and arrogance,”


Ahmed Yousef, top Hamas political adviser

277 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:06:17am

re: #256 Bubblehead II

The only question now is how long is it going to be before they (CoS) sue him for defamation? They are just as well versed or even better at, Leagal Jihad than Cair is.

The defense against libel charges is the truth. However, if what he says is couched as an opinion, is there much they can do?

278 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:06:24am

Two boys were walking home from Sunday School after hearing a strong preaching on the devil. One said to the other, "What do you think about all this Satan stuff?"

The other boy replied, "Well, you know how Santa Claus turned out. It's probably just your Dad."

279 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:06:27am

re: #257 babes


Doesn't matter, he can bring about change, and unite.

280 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:06:43am

re: #265 rightside

Yet you seem so amazingly upbeat. I'd gladly send you some of those items if they didn't spoil. :^)

I've been in bad situations on and off my whole life, I was homeless at 14. Before I got sick was the most stable period, for 15 years I had the one job , I was just starting to make "good" money, I lived in the same place that whole time.....and then blammo.

I think it is harder for someone who never had to steal the crackers from Wendy's to eat that day to be suddenly "poor"

For me, I guess it is a matter of experience telling me I survived it once, I'll survive it again, so it doesn't depress me or get me down.

Hashem will protect me, come what may.

281 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:07:13am

re: #272 Miss Trixie

Cookbook lovers - you must have visited Lilek's site, right? The Gallery of Regrettable Food.

:D

That site has been known to bring me to tears -- David Casper Friedrich's picnic basket ...

282 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:07:33am

re: #260 christheprofessor

So true. At least your research is interesting and meaningful. Most of the research done in my field is meaningless bullshit done in the pursuit of tenure.

btw, I'm convinced that's part of the reason we get such crap as not grading in red because it hurts the poor kiddies' self-esteem out of schools of education...

What color ink do they use? Pink? Purple?

283 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:07:45am

re: #267 Spiritualized

Morrisey?
BLINK

/I love that song

284 ethanxxx  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:08:11am

re: #279 rightside

It's true! It's on his poster. They don't just make that $#!+ up.

285 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:09:05am

re: #271 Killian Bundy

Did anyone watch that debate in HD last night?

/those people are more than dangerous, they're scary dangerous

I can't watch them. I go all ballistic.

286 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:09:08am

re: #268 christheprofessor

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that...

*rimshot*

287 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:09:13am

re: #282 MandyManners

What color ink do they use? Pink? Purple?

I use several different colors to highlight different kinds of mistakes.

288 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:10:17am

re: #287 Lucius Septimius

I use several different colors to highlight different kinds of mistakes.

Just remember RED might be too damaging to their precious self esteem.
/

289 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:10:28am

re: #257 babes

A questions to the Lizards:

Was Obama some kind of 'freelance' community organizer?

Was he associated with a 'recognized' organization?

What did he actually accomplish as a community organizer?

And, to repeat a Lizard, how did he pay his student loans as a community organizer?

Who was paying him or was he living on food stamps?

How long was he a community organizer?

Good questions!

When can we expect your report on them?

*stuffing evil Mandy back into the filing cabinet*

290 storagemanager  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:10:36am
We call The New York Times the New Duranty Times because it fails to inform its readers about the real nature of Islam and to lull them into complacency about it, the way one of their star reporters of the 1930's, Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer prize for his reporting on Stalin's Five Year Plan, lulled its readers into complacency about the realities of communism. Duranty's reporting fell into disrepute because of his highly favorable portrayal of Stalin, his denial of the Ukrainian famine, and his uncritical coverage of Stalin's show trials. The New York Times was as blind to the reality of communism then as it is blind to the reality of Islam now.

[Link: www.newenglishreview.org...]

291 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:11:10am

re: #287 Lucius Septimius

I use several different colors to highlight different kinds of mistakes.

You have GOT to be kidding me?! Aren't you a college professor? Why on earth should you be pointing out different kinds of mistakes?

292 akak  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:11:44am
New technology that can "see" through clothing and detect what's underneath can now be used to scan crowds, making it a potentially effective tool to prevent terrorist attacks in public places. The ThruVision T5000 camera picks up Terahertz rays, or T-rays, which are naturally emitted by all objects and can pass through fabric or even walls.

cool, gotta get me one of these!

/exposed

293 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:12:06am

re: #275 Lucius Septimius

No doubt.

I remember one former colleague going on about that sort of thing, and finding examples of "sexual harassment" in every poster, sign, etc. on campus. She claimed that because I had a picture of my wife and my -- get this -- grandmother's high-school graduation picture on my desk that this created a "hostile environment." This not long after a famous diatribe in which she referenced "her therapists" -- note the plural.

Eventually me and a couple of other male faculty catalogued "offensive" postings on people's office doors and found that the most egregious examples were on the doors of the female faculty. Most guys just had a silly cartoon or two; the women all had virulant male-bashing, ultra leftist agit prop.

She was eventually canned; the "hostile environment" hoopla died down ... for a while. I'm awaiting it's return.

Next time it rears its silly head, maybe you and the others should go on the offensive and claim the finger-pointer is creating a hostile environment.

294 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:12:30am

re: #290 storagemanager

Somebody's getting up to speed.

295 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:13:22am

re: #287 Lucius Septimius

I use several different colors to highlight different kinds of mistakes.

Color coding!

296 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:13:47am

re: #258 Killian Bundy

Here's a better version....

297 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:13:52am

re: #280 BabbaZee

And yet you're not bitter and clinging to guns, religion and anti-immigrant sentiment? Props to you for that at least.

298 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:13:59am

re: #292 akak

lol

299 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:14:00am

re: #282 MandyManners

What color ink do they use? Pink? Purple?

As I recall, they recommend green or purple...

300 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:15:09am

re: #291 galloping granny

You have GOT to be kidding me?! Aren't you a college professor? Why on earth should you be pointing out different kinds of mistakes?

Well, for a couple of reasons. I generally read papers three times; once for overall form and content, once to look for technical errors (spelling, errors in citation, etc.), and then finally to make detail comments. I don't mark the first time, I use one color for the second, and then pencil for the detail comments (so if I have to erase, I can). Then I write up my general comments and the grade on a separate sheet which I keep a copy of.

Most kids come to college with no idea how to write a paper; they don't know how to make a bibliography or footnotes, they don't know what a thesis is, they have only the sketchiest idea of what a paragraph is. I spend a disproportionate time teaching them the basic mechanics of composition.

301 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:15:25am

re: #299 christheprofessor

As I recall, they recommend green or purple...

Well, The Kid's teacher uses red ink--and very pointed comments when needed--and his self esteem is stronger than an ox on steroids.

302 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:15:28am

re: #297 laZardo

And yet you're not bitter and clinging to guns, religion and anti-immigrant sentiment? Props to you for that at least


Corporal Clinger!

/But of course you knew I would reply with this , right?

Walken Akbar!

303 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:16:11am

re: #293 MandyManners

I do that all the time; they may hate me, but at least they know that I'm paying attention and not afraid to call them on their hypocrisy.

304 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:16:19am

re: #275 Lucius Septimius

One has to wonder how many good people's lives and careers have been ruined by, literally, sick fucks like that to whom the powers that be give credence.

305 Miss Trixie  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:16:20am

re: #281 Lucius Septimius

That site has been known to bring me to tears -- David Casper Friedrich's picnic basket ...

Oh! Me too! Especailly the Roast of Beef that looks like Peter Lorre...

*snort*

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

306 tommygum  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:16:58am

re: #34 Bobblehead

After I read that I hugged my canine shadow.

307 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:17:01am

re: #277 MandyManners

They have been known to go after thier apostates for not returning thier books and equipment when they left the "church:". Let me do some Googling and see what I can come up with.

308 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:17:08am

re: #301 MandyManners

That's a reflection on the quality upbringing Kiddo's getting...

309 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:17:13am

re: #285 BabbaZee

I can't watch them. I go all ballistic.

First debate in HD. They even showed Chelsea.

/these people are best left to the imagination, they don't look good under the extra screen resolution

310 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:17:26am

re: #305 Miss Trixie

Oh! Me too! Especailly the Roast of Beef that looks like Peter Lorre...

*snort*

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Steak a la Ugarti!

311 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:17:34am

re: #300 Lucius Septimius

"Most kids come to college with no idea how to write a paper; they don't know how to make a bibliography or footnotes, they don't know what a thesis is, they have only the sketchiest idea of what a paragraph is. I spend a disproportionate time teaching them the basic mechanics of composition."

I learned that in middle school in the mid-70's.

312 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:17:38am

re: #300 Lucius Septimius

Well, for a couple of reasons. I generally read papers three times; once for overall form and content, once to look for technical errors (spelling, errors in citation, etc.), and then finally to make detail comments. I don't mark the first time, I use one color for the second, and then pencil for the detail comments (so if I have to erase, I can). Then I write up my general comments and the grade on a separate sheet which I keep a copy of.

Most kids come to college with no idea how to write a paper; they don't know how to make a bibliography or footnotes, they don't know what a thesis is, they have only the sketchiest idea of what a paragraph is. I spend a disproportionate time teaching them the basic mechanics of composition.

Egads. The Kid started learning how to put together a bibliography and footnotes already.

313 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:17:52am

re: #275 Lucius Septimius

I was working fire departments when the push to getting women hired was on.

The older heads had more of problem with the younger one less so. We had a basic criteria. Can you drag my butt out if you have to.

My crew got the first woman on our dept. FD tradition has that rookies get a lot of the dirty work, that had been me. Clean the kitchen, clean the bathrooms etc...

She saw the duty list and went ballistic, "You can't make me clean the bathrooms because I'm a woman!" The Capt. said, "no, the ROOKIE cleans the bathrooms."

That one didn't last long.

314 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:18:07am

re: #280 BabbaZee

I've been in bad situations on and off my whole life, I was homeless at 14. Before I got sick was the most stable period, for 15 years I had the one job , I was just starting to make "good" money, I lived in the same place that whole time.....and then blammo.

I think it is harder for someone who never had to steal the crackers from Wendy's to eat that day to be suddenly "poor"

For me, I guess it is a matter of experience telling me I survived it once, I'll survive it again, so it doesn't depress me or get me down.

Hashem will protect me, come what may.

Very touching, to say the least. A shining example of optimism and can-do spirit.

Contrast that with the "I'm entitled to X" attitude, that 50 years of liberalism has wrought.

I stand in awe, and am humbled.

315 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:18:10am

Good morning my friends!

A few morning items...

1. Obama-Hillary Debate: Was that the Fox News Channel and were the moderators Hannity and O'Reilly? Holy crap... Substantive questions on the major issues... Wow... Hit them both on some shady situations... They both look like bad apples... Obama really hates this country and is starting to be a very poor liar.

2. Watched a replay of the Pope's remarks at the White House. I asked myself, would Obama have given him the respectful ceremony that GWB did? I think not...

More later...

316 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:18:29am

re: #303 Lucius Septimius

I do that all the time; they may hate me, but at least they know that I'm paying attention and not afraid to call them on their hypocrisy.

I bet they appreciate you for your intellectual honesty and those who don't right now, will one day.

317 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:18:31am

re: #300 Lucius Septimius

I used to have a thriving business writing college term papers back in the homeless days. It was one of the more legal ways I found to hustle some grub.
They were morons, they didn;t even understand what I would write for them, I would have to explain it....
and that was THEN....
I can't imagine how idiotic these kids are NOW

318 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:18:41am

re: #302 BabbaZee

You da funk soul sistah.

319 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:18:43am

re: #300 Lucius Septimius

Well, for a couple of reasons. I generally read papers three times; once for overall form and content, once to look for technical errors (spelling, errors in citation, etc.), and then finally to make detail comments. I don't mark the first time, I use one color for the second, and then pencil for the detail comments (so if I have to erase, I can). Then I write up my general comments and the grade on a separate sheet which I keep a copy of.

Most kids come to college with no idea how to write a paper; they don't know how to make a bibliography or footnotes, they don't know what a thesis is, they have only the sketchiest idea of what a paragraph is. I spend a disproportionate time teaching them the basic mechanics of composition.

I would not have been allowed to graduate high school without knowing that. And I started teaching that in fourth grade. The 11 year old can do a properly cited bibliography in APA format.

Education really has gone downhill, hasn't it?

320 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:18:43am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see more charges have been lodged against the two students arrested on explosives charges in South Carolina near a military base. Those students, Ahmed Abdellatif Sherif Mohamed and Youssef Samir Megahed, are from the University of South Florida.

Meanwhile, Israel has thwarted yet another attempt to breach its border from Gaza. And the seething and whining about the death of the Reuters cameraman continues.

321 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:18:51am

re: #300 Lucius Septimius

Most kids come to college with no idea how to write a paper; they don't know how to make a bibliography or footnotes, they don't know what a thesis is, they have only the sketchiest idea of what a paragraph is.

Ain't that the sad truth. But they can tell you in detail why America is evil, is causing all the suffering in the world, Gorebull Warming, etc...

322 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:19:17am

re: #307 Bubblehead II

They have been known to go after thier apostates for not returning thier books and equipment when they left the "church:". Let me do some Googling and see what I can come up with.

If the apostates paid for it, what's the cause of action?

323 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:19:40am

re: #305 Miss Trixie

Oh! Me too! Especailly the Roast of Beef that looks like Peter Lorre...

*snort*

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!



Evil is a Burned Roast Beef

and happiness is a warm gun!

324 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:19:43am

re: #300 Lucius Septimius

I'll bet they can put a condom on a banana and tell us everything wrong with the imperialist USA.

325 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:20:19am

re: #95 BabbaZee

When it costs $20 to get two lbs of butter and a half gallon of milk we are in deep shit

Oooookay. I see that butter is beyond my budget.

Wonder what the guns cost?

326 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:20:28am

re: #300 Lucius Septimius

Good thing my 9th-and-10th grade English teacher was such a stickler for detail then. I presented the draft bibliography to my history teacher in community college once and he was "You've done this before, haven't you?" amazed.

/At least I got something good out of that rich-tightwad school...

327 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:20:28am

re: #308 christheprofessor

That's a reflection on the quality upbringing Kiddo's getting...

I get worried when he makes less than 100 per cent and he goes on and on about being "stupid." I tell him he's not "stupid" but learning.

328 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:20:50am

re: #304 christheprofessor

One has to wonder how many good people's lives and careers have been ruined by, literally, sick fucks like that to whom the powers that be give credence.

They only give them credence because they're scared of them.

Have you ever read Shadow University? It's the book written by the founders of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. Best explanation of why university administrators are so spineless and why the leftards have their way with them so often.

329 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:20:57am

re: #318 laZardo

You da funk soul sistah.


{LaZee}

330 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:21:59am

re: #313 jcm

I was working fire departments when the push to getting women hired was on.

The older heads had more of problem with the younger one less so. We had a basic criteria. Can you drag my butt out if you have to.

My crew got the first woman on our dept. FD tradition has that rookies get a lot of the dirty work, that had been me. Clean the kitchen, clean the bathrooms etc...

She saw the duty list and went ballistic, "You can't make me clean the bathrooms because I'm a woman!" The Capt. said, "no, the ROOKIE cleans the bathrooms."

That one didn't last long.

I would've gone ballistic, too, until I realized that the pecking order was based on seniority and not sex.

331 phoenixgirl  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:22:02am

re: #288 jcm

Just remember RED might be too damaging to their precious self esteem.
/

do you use pink for ideas reeking of communism? yellow for cowardice? green for envy? black for evil? blue for depressing?

332 madisonsfriend  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:22:19am

re: #179 MandyManners

Did the government ever consider publishing a cook book to show people how to cook simple foods within their means?

The other thing is sometimes there are large recipes that you can make and freeze but you need the facilities and knowledge. I used to make large pots of veggie(beans- not veggie meat) chili and soup with lots of frozen veggies and potatoes and lentils or peas(dry, not canned). I think a lot of people don't know how to cook or don't know much beyond cooking a piece of meat. And yes, a cheaper diet can be monotonous but the idea was to support people until they could get back on their feet- not have three more kids(and 3 more daddies)and say you can't work because you have kids. So there are people who genuinely need the help and people who exploit- it is like life and my office.

333 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:22:44am

re: #309 Killian Bundy


Chelsea has a lot of her mother's looks and temperment too it would appear. If she has just a little Bill in she's got be horny as hell.

A dangerous combination.

334 babes  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:22:50am

No one seems to have a clue - yet Obama keeps to referring to all his experience that his stint as a community organizer.

re: #273 galloping granny

No clue.

335 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:22:51am

re: #315 tfc3rid

Good morning my friends!

A few morning items...

1. Obama-Hillary Debate: Was that the Fox News Channel and were the moderators Hannity and O'Reilly? Holy crap... Substantive questions on the major issues... Wow... Hit them both on some shady situations... They both look like bad apples... Obama really hates this country and is starting to be a very poor liar.

2. Watched a replay of the Pope's remarks at the White House. I asked myself, would Obama have given him the respectful ceremony that GWB did? I think not...

More later...

He would've had Wright with him when he met the pope.

336 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:23:05am

re: #325 razorbacker

Oooookay. I see that butter is beyond my budget.

Wonder what the guns cost?

Guns are a basic item. Butter your toast thinly for a while.

337 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:23:15am

re: #311 Endangered in MASS

"Most kids come to college with no idea how to write a paper; they don't know how to make a bibliography or footnotes, they don't know what a thesis is, they have only the sketchiest idea of what a paragraph is. I spend a disproportionate time teaching them the basic mechanics of composition."

I learned that in middle school in the mid-70's.

Me too -- but that's becoming less common. More and more, I find that schools simply are teaching to "the test" that their raises depend on. I would say that 3/4 of the work my oldest boy was doing in school before we yanked him out was "test prep." He got real good at filling in circles; meanwhile his reading and writing didn't progress.

338 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:23:17am

re: #327 MandyManners

I get worried when he makes less than 100 per cent and he goes on and on about being "stupid." I tell him he's not "stupid" but learning.

Mandy you might point out that people do not actually learn anything from getting things right. And try to ease up on the 100% all the time stuff. It won't be pretty come the teen years if you don't.

339 madisonsfriend  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:23:22am

re: #205 storagemanager

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]


well, of course, the rabbi threatened him by his existence as a Jew.

340 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:23:31am

re: #311 Endangered in MASS


I learned that in middle school in the mid-70's.

So did I.

/not that I remember any of it...

341 Miss Trixie  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:23:33am

Babba - thanks - saved to my favorites to view from home.

:)

342 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:23:34am

How many lizards have hangovers this morning from having a drink every time the obamameister said "change" or "hope"?

343 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:23:50am

re: #328 Lucius Septimius


Yup. No, I haven't read it but I'll pick it up -- thanks for link.

Gotta run. Have my final departmental meeting of the year, followed by an end-of-the-academic-year picnic to attend...

Later all...

344 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:24:03am

re: #328 Lucius Septimius

Written in/by FIRE. lol

345 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:24:56am

re: #323 BabbaZee

I curse Sir Walter Raliegh he was such a stupid get......

346 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:25:00am

re: #326 laZardo

Good thing my 9th-and-10th grade English teacher was such a stickler for detail then. I presented the draft bibliography to my history teacher in community college once and he was "You've done this before, haven't you?" amazed.

/At least I got something good out of that rich-tightwad school...

Bet you never had to do the footnotes on a typewriter. What a pain in the ass it was to roll up the bar thingy half-way!

347 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:25:25am

re: #320 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see more charges have been lodged against the two students arrested on explosives charges in South Carolina near a military base. Those students, Ahmed Abdellatif Sherif Mohamed and Youssef Samir Megahed, are from the University of South Florida.

Meanwhile, Israel has thwarted yet another attempt to breach its border from Gaza. And the seething and whining about the death of the Reuters cameraman continues.

Rain

/not on any original album I know of

348 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:25:29am

re: #342 pingjockey

How many lizards have hangovers this morning from having a drink every time the obamameister said "change" or "hope"?


I stopped playing that one after the Bob Newhart show LOL

349 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:25:52am

re: #332 madisonsfriend

The other thing is sometimes there are large recipes that you can make and freeze but you need the facilities and knowledge. I used to make large pots of veggie(beans- not veggie meat) chili and soup with lots of frozen veggies and potatoes and lentils or peas(dry, not canned). I think a lot of people don't know how to cook or don't know much beyond cooking a piece of meat. And yes, a cheaper diet can be monotonous but the idea was to support people until they could get back on their feet- not have three more kids(and 3 more daddies)and say you can't work because you have kids. So there are people who genuinely need the help and people who exploit- it is like life and my office.

Actually a cheaper diet can be very interesting. It was my search for flavor & variety on a shoestring budget that led me to Mexican food, Indian food and dishes from various Southeast Asian countries. Now if I cooked strictly American food, that would be monotonous and get old really quickly.

350 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:26:07am

Jimmy the Claw..eat your hear out...

Three women: one engaged, one married, and one a mistress, are chatting about their relationships and decide to amaze their men....they decide that that night all three will wear a sexy leather bodice, stilettos and mask over their eyes.

After a few days they meet again........ The engaged girlfriend said: “the other night, when my boyfriend came back home, he found me in the leather bodice, 4" stilettos and mask. He said, ‘you are the woman of my life, I love you...’ then we made love all night long”.

The mistress stated, “Oh Yes! The other night we met in his office. I was wearing the leather bodice, mega stilettos, mask over my eyes and a raincoat. When I opened the raincoat, he didn't say a word. We just had wild sex all night.”

The married one then said, “The other night I sent the kids to stay at my mother’s for the night; I got myself ready, leather bodice, and super stilettos and mask over my eyes. My husband came in from work, grabbed the TV controller and a beer, and said, 'Hey Batman, what's for dinner?'

351 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:27:08am

re: #340 OldLineTexan

Same here. Thanks to the late 70's.

352 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:27:09am

re: #321 christheprofessor

Ain't that the sad truth. But they can tell you in detail why America is evil, is causing all the suffering in the world, Gorebull Warming, etc...

re: #324 jcm

I'll bet they can put a condom on a banana and tell us everything wrong with the imperialist USA.

Absolutely, though I'm not so sure about the condom thing.

Actually, I surprise no small number of them when they discover that they won't score points with me merely by reciting leftard cant. Once they figure that out, they come out of their shells and begin to confess their discomfiture with the mindless PC of their education. And once they do that, we can actually have some interesting discussions of course content.

It disturbs me how cynical they already are at 18; they've learned that the way to get grades is by repeating tired empty formulae, concocted by people their parents or grandparents age which they neither understand or believe in.

353 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:27:18am

re: #333 Endangered in MASS

Chelsea has a lot of her mother's looks and temperment too it would appear. If she has just a little Bill in she's got be horny as hell.

A dangerous combination.

/the family resemblance in HD was a bit grotesque, like a mutant mishmash

354 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:27:21am

re: #322 MandyManners

Intellectual property rights for one.

Here is a Wiki link on them:Scientology and the legal system

355 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:27:33am

re: #332 madisonsfriend

The other thing is sometimes there are large recipes that you can make and freeze but you need the facilities and knowledge. I used to make large pots of veggie(beans- not veggie meat) chili and soup with lots of frozen veggies and potatoes and lentils or peas(dry, not canned). I think a lot of people don't know how to cook or don't know much beyond cooking a piece of meat. And yes, a cheaper diet can be monotonous but the idea was to support people until they could get back on their feet- not have three more kids(and 3 more daddies)and say you can't work because you have kids. So there are people who genuinely need the help and people who exploit- it is like life and my office.

Do they still teach home-ec? Everyone should learn how to cook properly in high school.

356 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:27:33am

re: #325 razorbacker

Oooookay. I see that butter is beyond my budget.

Wonder what the guns cost?

Well, according to endless propaganda on ABC, a 9mm semiautomatic pistol (suitable for gang-banging, busting a cap in yo ass, and drive-bys) is available on any street corner near any urban middel school for $50.

Out here in the former sticks, a 9mm semiautomatic pistol of reasonable quality ("name" brand) will run $350 and up.

YMMV.

After four years of President Obama, the same gun will cost the gang member $50...it will cost you 20 years in Club Fed.

357 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:27:51am

Threat of violence closes more schools in IL.

I don't know why they're closing the schools. There is no threat of violence. Schools are weapons free environments... according to the left, that reduces violence.

Thugs are being allowed to take over in far too many cities. Police are unable to solve the problem. Are you protected?

358 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:27:53am

re: #346 MandyManners

Bet you never had to do the footnotes on a typewriter. What a pain in the ass it was to roll up the bar thingy half-way!

Wasn't that FUN? And I had to do them both for the papers I had to write for English and the one that I had to produce for typing class as an illustration of a properly laid out and formatted paper.

359 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:28:15am

re: #346 MandyManners

Bet you never had to do the footnotes on a typewriter. What a pain in the ass it was to roll up the bar thingy half-way!

I was explaining to my class how to do that on Monday. They looked at me like I was from Mars.

(Neptune, really, but I'm a good actor)

360 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:28:33am

re: #314 rightside

{rightside}

Right back at ya. Without you and everyone who looks like you there we are toast.
Thank YOU

I almost enlisted at 18 to get off the street.
But even then, when I was really untamed,
I knew myself too well.
There was no way I could have handled the submission to authority then.
I never would have made it, I would have ended up in the hooskow, and I knew it.

I am very proud to say that I never stripped, sold my own ass or anyone elses, or stole things too many things I could not eat right away, thereby destroying all evidence, LOL!

There's a reason for everything. It all makes sense to me now.
But as a teenager and into my early thirties I was a very angry person. harsh, judgemental, fierce. Not entitlement minded or anything like that, but mercilessly, secularly "righteous", which is not righteousness at all, but selfishness.

GOD saved me by ripping half my guts out.

361 madisonsfriend  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:28:38am

re: #287 Lucius Septimius

I use several different colors to highlight different kinds of mistakes.


I am not smart enough for that. I liked the red to point out all of my errors.

362 profitsbeard  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:28:44am

Is the Mark Twain quote at the head of the topic a covert, racist, bigoted, right-wing, unjust, stealth-attack on poor old Obama?

Clinging to terrorist Ayers for comfort as the haters like Sam Clemens try to belittle him from the grave?

Maybe an Iranian flag pin on his other lapel will help.

363 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:28:56am

re: #309 Killian Bundy

First debate in HD. They even showed Chelsea.

/these people are best left to the imagination, they don't look good under the extra screen resolution

I'll BET
lol

364 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:28:58am

re: #346 MandyManners

By then, typewriters this function where you could flick a switch so it could gauge how many spaces it'd skip. There was also this little electronic keypad that you could type stuff on and then transfer it to one of the old Macs (LC575s/580s if I remember them correctly.)

365 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:29:35am

re: #342 pingjockey

How many lizards have hangovers this morning from having a drink every time the obamameister said "change" or "hope"?

/raises hand.

Good morning folks.

366 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:30:01am

re: #357 LanceKates

B-b-but you know how thick those encyclopedias are?! They're better at blunt force trauma than cinder-blocks and baseball bats! Ban them!

367 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:30:17am

re: #355 MandyManners

Do they still teach home-ec? Everyone should learn how to cook properly in high school.

Most places, no. And those that do have added so much to the standard cooking & sewing that you and I would not recognize it. Things like child care and household finance.

368 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:30:35am

re: #325 razorbacker

Oooookay. I see that butter is beyond my budget.

Wonder what the guns cost?

Good thing for us we had that covered for decades already LOL

369 phoenixgirl  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:30:45am

re: #363 BabbaZee

I'll BET
lol

if i'm ever on tv, i'm going to demand the special filter that "marlena evans" has on days of our lives.

370 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:31:33am

re: #338 galloping granny

Mandy you might point out that people do not actually learn anything from getting things right. And try to ease up on the 100% all the time stuff. It won't be pretty come the teen years if you don't.

I'm not the one who goes off on the less-than-perfect stuff! He does.

One obstacle we're working on is his dislike of things he doesn't get 100 per cent on, including baseball, PS games and such. One approach is to tell him that his brain is like a muscle: it must get plenty of exercise.

I'll work on the "learning from mistakes" approach. Thanks!

371 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:32:01am

I didn't watch the debates. I know enough about the two socialists to not care what they say when put on stage together.

I did, however, pick up a bottle of bacardi superior rum, 2 liter of dt. pepsi, bottle of this cherry wine, and a 2 liter of dt 7up.

the wine and 7up is SO good.... addictingly.

372 madisonsfriend  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:32:05am

re: #355 MandyManners

Do they still teach home-ec? Everyone should learn how to cook properly in high school.

Not exactly- you don't have to take it. My kdis both did but my son's class(a different school than his sister) was more about kitchen administration- like working in a restaurant. My daughter did learn to make some food and she will cook from time to time(but like her father the kitchen looks like they served meals to 100)

373 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:32:15am

re: #330 MandyManners

I would've gone ballistic, too, until I realized that the pecking order was based on seniority and not sex.

Heh! She knew... I saw basically two types. One wanted to do the job. The other wanted to prove a women could do the job.

One the first things a new member on a crew needs to do is prove they are trustworthy. Everyone's life and safety depend on everyone doing the job, at the right time, in the right way. That starts with the little things, the little jobs. On the fire scene, when on order is given it just gets done, it not up for discussion.

The ones trying to prove a women (same thing applied to some minority rookies) could do the job had a problem with authority, and always wanted to question the structure, that underlying thought process carried out to the emergency scene. I've seen people balk at a task because they didn't like the task for some reason.

The other group wants the job. They'll do wants required to get it. Our second woman was this group, she was actually under strength for the job, weak upper body. She worked out extra, asked for all kinds of advice and help. She's a deputy chief now and earned it.

374 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:32:30am

re: #369 phoenixgirl

if i'm ever on tv, i'm going to demand the special filter that "marlena evans" has on days of our lives.

Lucy in MAME

Lamest most obvious film filtering EVAH

375 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:32:42am

re: #349 galloping granny

Actually a cheaper diet can be very interesting. It was my search for flavor & variety on a shoestring budget that led me to Mexican food, Indian food and dishes from various Southeast Asian countries. Now if I cooked strictly American food, that would be monotonous and get old really quickly.

Home-made mac and cheese is infinitely better than the stuff out of the box.

376 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:32:49am

re: #366 laZardo

B-b-but you know how thick those encyclopedias are?! They're better at blunt force trauma than cinder-blocks and baseball bats! Ban them!

why not? schools sure aren't using the knowledge IN the books...

377 sparrowlake  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:32:50am

Good morning everyone.
It's beautiful!

378 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:33:02am

re: #362 profitsbeard

It can't be, because Shirk is an Islamic sin.

379 paxnhymn  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:33:14am

groggy....must...find....coffee....pot....

>-(

380 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:33:20am

re: #351 Endangered in MASS

Same here. Thanks to the late 70's.



An excellent and extraordinarily well-researched book on the decline of reading instruction
points out that the 70s were really the best period in American education, far better than the 50s or sixties. Students were much more likely to read unexpurgated versions of a wide range of world literature, largely free of pointless social engineering and political motives.

Another book I always recommend to people is Richard Hofstetter's Anti-intellectualism in American Life.

Blame Dewey and the Progressives. Fascists every one of them.

381 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:33:58am

re: #356 OldLineTexan

Well, according to endless propaganda on ABC, a 9mm semiautomatic pistol (suitable for gang-banging, busting a cap in yo ass, and drive-bys) is available on any street corner near any urban middel school for $50.

Out here in the former sticks, a 9mm semiautomatic pistol of reasonable quality ("name" brand) will run $350 and up.

YMMV.

After four years of President Obama, the same gun will cost the gang member $50...it will cost you 20 years in Club Fed.

Hey, the advertisments were right. Stay in school!

382 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:34:09am

re: #360 BabbaZee


You're welcome.

BTW, I am glad you didn't sell your own ass, otherwise, you'd not be able to sit LOL!

383 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:34:13am

re: #352 Lucius Septimius

Are you going to be teaching in 14 years? I've got a boy to send your direction around then.

384 madisonsfriend  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:34:15am

re: #364 laZardo
oh, an electric typewriter0- well ,fancy, fancy! I used a Royal. type too fast and the keys all get struck together.

385 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:34:24am

re: #354 Bubblehead II

Intellectual property rights for one.

Here is a Wiki link on them:Scientology and the legal system

Unless they are violating copyright law, what's the big deal?

(I'll look at the link today. Thanks!)

386 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:34:46am

re: #381 razorbacker

Hey, the advertisments were right. Stay in school!

you also get free condoms, birth control and 3 meals a day in some school districts.

387 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:34:56am

re: #376 LanceKates

Books are the indoctrinating tools of the MAN! I know this because I read about it!

388 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:35:07am

re: #358 galloping granny

Wasn't that FUN? And I had to do them both for the papers I had to write for English and the one that I had to produce for typing class as an illustration of a properly laid out and formatted paper.

Oh, the memoreeeeeeeeeeze.

389 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:35:07am

re: #377 sparrowlake



Morning Sparrow

390 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:35:16am

re: #342 pingjockey

Shhh! you don't have to yell.

391 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:35:48am

re: #359 Lucius Septimius

I was explaining to my class how to do that on Monday. They looked at me like I was from Mars.

(Neptune, really, but I'm a good actor)

Maybe you should mention Rather's throbbing memo. It could put it into current context.

392 madisonsfriend  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:35:49am

re: #376 LanceKates

why not? schools sure aren't using the knowledge IN the books...

All I can say is Jiminey Cricket- thanks for helping me spell the word!

393 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:35:50am

re: #379 paxnhymn

groggy....must...find....coffee....pot.. ..

>-(

You're standing in it.

394 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:35:58am

re: #370 MandyManners

I'm not the one who goes off on the less-than-perfect stuff! He does.

One obstacle we're working on is his dislike of things he doesn't get 100 per cent on, including baseball, PS games and such. One approach is to tell him that his brain is like a muscle: it must get plenty of exercise.

I'll work on the "learning from mistakes" approach. Thanks!

My apologies. I misunderstood. You know the Edison light bulb story, right? Somebody once asked him about how badly he must have felt to fail 1000+ times at making a light bulb. He said he didn't feel badly at all - he had learned 1000 ways not to make a light bulb. (Maybe a bio of Edison? There are a few good ones for kids.)

395 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:36:26am

re: #382 rightside

You're welcome.

BTW, I am glad you didn't sell your own ass, otherwise, you'd not be able to sit LOL!

hahahaha!
After the second surgery I had lost so much weight my ass was actually inverted, I used to joke and say
well I literally worked my ass off this time.
LOL!

396 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:36:43am

re: #337 Lucius Septimius


Surprisingly, the school that my daughter goes to here in Mass(public)

is pretty damm good. Currently she is learing about the Constitution. For 5th grade, it's pretty in depth. Some of the stuff I had forgotten or not known. They push the reading fairly hard too. The town I live in (Merrimack Valley) is pretty conservative. Naturally, thanks to gerrymandering, our votes are useless.

397 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:36:55am

re: #390 jcm
Hahaha! I missed it. Doing yard work.

398 Iron Fist  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:36:58am

re: #336 jcm,

Lawyers, guns, and money are the three basic food groups.

399 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:37:11am

re: #364 laZardo

By then, typewriters this function where you could flick a switch so it could gauge how many spaces it'd skip. There was also this little electronic keypad that you could type stuff on and then transfer it to one of the old Macs (LC575s/580s if I remember them correctly.)

Right over my head.

I had a class in J-school in which we had to use a type-writer. Any computer-generated stuff would get you a juicy 0.

400 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:37:20am

re: #387 laZardo

Books are the indoctrinating tools of the MAN! I know this because I read about it!

you joke, but I've ran into arguments that are based on that thinking.

"The whole media is biased towards the right wing! I saw it on CBS!"

"According to the NYTs, the problem with newspapers is that they're too conservative!"

...

or on internet boards: "You can't delete my comment, You're censoring me! What about my First Amendment Rights?! There's no Freedoms, man! The military industrial complex silences anyone who disagrees with them!"

By and large, people are stupid.

401 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:37:40am

Later Lizards. The Pope is at the ball park now.

402 paxnhymn  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:37:47am

re: #393 Peacekeeper

You're standing in it.

MOTHER PUSS BUCKET! Your right!

mmm. toe-cheese creamer.


(slluuuurp!)

Ahhhhhhhh!

MORNING!

403 madisonsfriend  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:38:03am

re: #399 MandyManners

You young folks! Computers didn't exist when I was in college and grad school. Well, maybe- but they were those big, big machines somewhere else.

404 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:38:21am

re: #369 phoenixgirl

if i'm ever on tv, i'm going to demand the special filter that "marlena evans" has on days of our lives.

And I will need the one they use for the Witness Protection Program folks.

405 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:38:30am

re: #396 Endangered in MASS

Schools where I am suck. Period.

406 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:38:35am

re: #367 galloping granny

Most places, no. And those that do have added so much to the standard cooking & sewing that you and I would not recognize it. Things like child care and household finance.

I can understand the house-hold finance thing. Kids need to learn how to budget. A few weeks on budgeting for food and then cooking it would be good.

Child care? Maybe. Perhaps in the context of making money baby-sitting.

407 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:38:36am

re: #384 madisonsfriend

I typed a report on a typewriter so old that it didn't have an L key.

you used the 1 key.

408 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:38:38am

Spring in VT! Took the boy for a walk last evening peepers (frogs) were singing and the Turkeys were back in the woods eating acorns. To see it all as if for the first time via a child is a glorious thing. Thank you God.

409 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:38:42am
410 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:39:07am

re: #375 MandyManners

Home-made mac and cheese is infinitely better than the stuff out of the box.

Very true. One of our favorite meals. I save it for special occasions these days because it is loaded with calories. The only thing blue box is good for is "camping dish."

Once I dared to make the mac & cheese without the sliced tomatoes on top and you would have thought that Santa Claus had died or something.

411 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:39:07am

re: #381 razorbacker

Hey, the advertisments were right. Stay in school!

PIMF. So sue me.

412 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:39:30am

re: #408 Peacekeeper

{PK}

L'Chaim!

413 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:39:31am

Good morning y'all - from a mild (54 degrees, going up to 78 degrees) and sunny Charlotte!

How is everyone this morning?

414 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:39:33am

re: #383 jcm

I got at least 20 more years ... actually, I'm on the "work till death" retirement plan.

415 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:39:42am

re: #372 madisonsfriend

Not exactly- you don't have to take it. My kdis both did but my son's class(a different school than his sister) was more about kitchen administration- like working in a restaurant. My daughter did learn to make some food and she will cook from time to time(but like her father the kitchen looks like they served meals to 100)

When I was in high school, girls HAD to take home-ec but, boys could not. They had to take auto-body or shop.

416 mrsoc  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:40:05am

Oh my goodness there are so many people at the DC National Park for mass with the pope. My sister the atheist would say they're the idle curious-there must be an awful lot of idle curious out there!

417 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:40:12am

re: #404 OldLineTexan

ya crackin' me up lol

418 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:40:23am

re: #400 LanceKates

The "curse of intelligence" is not the intelligence itself. It simply means you have a much lower tolerance for actual stupidity than others.

419 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:40:46am

re: #415 MandyManners

When I was in high school, girls HAD to take home-ec but, boys could not. They had to take auto-body or shop.

by the time I got to high school, they did not have home-ec, auto-body or shop.

420 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:40:52am

re: #373 jcm

Heh! She knew... I saw basically two types. One wanted to do the job. The other wanted to prove a women could do the job.

One the first things a new member on a crew needs to do is prove they are trustworthy. Everyone's life and safety depend on everyone doing the job, at the right time, in the right way. That starts with the little things, the little jobs. On the fire scene, when on order is given it just gets done, it not up for discussion.

The ones trying to prove a women (same thing applied to some minority rookies) could do the job had a problem with authority, and always wanted to question the structure, that underlying thought process carried out to the emergency scene. I've seen people balk at a task because they didn't like the task for some reason.

The other group wants the job. They'll do wants required to get it. Our second woman was this group, she was actually under strength for the job, weak upper body. She worked out extra, asked for all kinds of advice and help. She's a deputy chief now and earned it.

The others were motivated by ideology, not reality.

421 paxnhymn  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:40:58am

re: #414 Lucius Septimius

I got at least 20 more years ... actually, I'm on the "work till death" retirement plan.

ohh..you too, eh? You must have three daughters as well...

:-)

422 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:41:04am

re: #398 Iron Fist

,

Lawyers, guns, and money are the three basic food groups.

Boy, ain't that the tru.....hey! Wait a minute, I AM a lawyer! LOL!
Good morning my brother, hope you're well this morning.

423 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:41:24am

Yo Babba!

424 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:41:28am

re: #418 laZardo

The "curse of intelligence" is not the intelligence itself. It simply means you have a much lower tolerance for actual stupidity than others.

That sounds about right.

425 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:41:38am

re: #416 mrsoc

{MRSOC!}

426 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:41:42am

re: #403 madisonsfriend

You young folks! Computers didn't exist when I was in college and grad school. Well, maybe- but they were those big, big machines somewhere else.

The first computer that I ever actually used lived in a big building all by itself with a little anteroom where students could type in their programs and get a printout. I made a fortune that year. Freshman got computer time only in 15 minute blocks and I was the only one that could type fast enough to do more than log on.

427 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:41:59am

re: #394 galloping granny

My apologies. I misunderstood. You know the Edison light bulb story, right? Somebody once asked him about how badly he must have felt to fail 1000+ times at making a light bulb. He said he didn't feel badly at all - he had learned 1000 ways not to make a light bulb. (Maybe a bio of Edison? There are a few good ones for kids.)

Oh, he'd love a bio on Edison. He's interested in how things work.

428 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:42:02am

re: #413 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a mild (54 degrees, going up to 78 degrees) and sunny Charlotte!

How is everyone this morning?

I'm doing reasonably well -- end in sight. Only eight more days of class.

Now, sadly, I must run off and get the younglings starting on their school work.

later, dude.

429 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:42:03am

BBIAM!

430 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:42:30am

re: #408 Peacekeeper

Spring in VT! Took the boy for a walk last evening peepers (frogs) were singing and the Turkeys were back in the woods eating acorns. To see it all as if for the first time via a child is a glorious thing. Thank you God.

Are you in VT too peacekeeper?

431 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:42:41am

re: #421 paxnhymn

Three sons and a daughter.

432 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:42:43am

re: #415 MandyManners

I actually wanted to take home-ec, and partially because they didn't have shop class (though they had a "carpentry" complex that spanned the length of the soccer field for some reason).

433 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:42:47am

re: #355 MandyManners

Do they still teach home-ec? Everyone should learn how to cook properly in high school.

Whaaaa? Have they no mothers? No fathers? No grandparents or uncles or aunts. No caregivers of any stripe who let you (or require you) to help out in the kitchen?

Where oh where will they learn to cut off the end of the Easter ham before putting it in the pan?

They may put sugar in the cornbread. Or beans in the chili. Or, and I hesitate to even mention it, because you know this is how evil actions are begun, start removing the skin before frying the yardbird.

No, I say. A thousand times no! Let school be what school is intended to be. A place where you learn what a bunch of evil white oppressing racist warmongering mother killing father raping wastes of skin that Amerikkkans are.

Let schools do what schools do best. Don't dilute the message.

434 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:42:49am

re: #413 realwest


Morning real, doing great here, how did things go with Mom yesterday?

435 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:42:51am

re: #385 MandyManners

Basicly, because they are a wacked out cult and they don't like people pointing it out and using thier stuff to prove it. Just like the death cult of islam uses Cair to silence or attempt to silence those critical of islam and using the koran to prove it.

436 loppyd  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:43:01am

Good Morning Lizard Nation...

This could be a drive by post as I may have to run some papers up to the courthouse shortly.

My stepfather is back in ICU. They are trying to figure out the source of the infection and doing a 2nd CT scan this morning. The good news is his fever has come down and his blood pressure has come up.

So it's more waiting at this point.

437 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:43:23am

re: #427 MandyManners

Oh, he'd love a bio on Edison. He's interested in how things work.

Then he needs a tool kit and trips to the junkyard.

/My parents got really tired of my habit of bringing home junk I found on heavy trash day

438 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:43:26am

"So I think (Obama) definitely has convinced people that he stands for change and for hope, and I can't wait to see what he stands for."
-Susan Sarandon

439 paxnhymn  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:43:30am

re: #429 realwest

BBIAM!

he must have heard an ambulance going by.....

/ducks

:-D

440 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:43:40am

re: #407 LanceKates

I had a typewriter once where you used the L key for the 1. It also had built-in whiteout, which was a plus.

441 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:43:58am

Gotta run. Have a great day, ya'll.

442 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:44:02am

re: #398 Iron Fist

,

Lawyers, guns, and money are the three basic food groups.

WooHoo!

(Pretty good video.)

443 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:44:19am
444 mrsoc  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:44:51am

re: #425 BabbaZee

thanks my dear-I am just about standing. Actually sitting up is a chore-LOL But I am doing what I can. The house looks like a bomb hit it-but the daughter in law from one's dreams is coming to clean and she cooks too. I not only can't complain, I got it pretty darn good.
The pope isn't coming for dinner-but I am secretly glad-such a posse he brings with him!

445 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:45:08am

re: #433 razorbacker

I learned to cook in the Boy Scouts.

That has its advantages and disadvantages.

446 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:45:14am

re: #423 realwest

Yo Babba!



YO REAL!

447 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:45:29am

re: #420 MandyManners

The others were motivated by ideology, not reality.

Bingo!

We had a lot of guys think it was like the show EMERGENCY. They weren't ready for a little old lady who was dying of cancer puking all over you just after breakfast. Or having to clean and put all the gear back on engine at 3AM in the rain after working you ass off for 10 hours.

They thought it was riding around on the big red rig looking cool.

448 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:46:10am

re: #430 galloping granny

Yes ma'am! Great to have the ice finally melted isn't it. We are up near sin city on the Lake.

449 ethanxxx  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:46:22am

re: #396 Endangered in MASS

Wow!...Merrimack Valley?

I haven't heard that name in a long time. My Dad retired as Manager of Engineers for Western Electric. He used to travel to Merrimack Valley about once a month back in the 60's and 70's. We used to go visit family up in East Bridgewater too. It's beautiful up there this time of year.

450 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:46:45am

re: #438 Yankee Division Son

"So I think (Obama) definitely has convinced people that he stands for change and for hope, and I can't wait to see what he stands for."
-Susan Sarandon

I understand that the hollow portion of her head was created millenia ago by intense heat and pressure, far below the Earth's surface. If you shine a Q-Beam in her ear, it seems to be full of stars.

451 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:47:12am

re: #437 OldLineTexan

Then he needs a tool kit and trips to the junkyard.

/My parents got really tired of my habit of bringing home junk I found on heavy trash day

Think on a Lego MindStorms kit for building robots for the birthday or some such - though they are spendy.

Get an old computer and let him take it apart and put it back together again.

452 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:48:08am

re: #436 loppyd

Good Morning Lizard Nation...

This could be a drive by post as I may have to run some papers up to the courthouse shortly.

My stepfather is back in ICU. They are trying to figure out the source of the infection and doing a 2nd CT scan this morning. The good news is his fever has come down and his blood pressure has come up.

So it's more waiting at this point.

First, GOOD MORNING!
Second, God Bless you and your family.

453 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:48:19am

re: #403 madisonsfriend

You young folks! Computers didn't exist when I was in college and grad school. Well, maybe- but they were those big, big machines somewhere else.

I got my first computer in the early/mid-80s if memory serves. It was this portable thing with the keyboard that attached to the screen/CPU. It weighed a ton.

454 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:48:23am

re: #440 laZardo

One thing I never was able to get was a typewriter that was identical in font, size and spacing as the default for Microsoft Word.

455 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:48:50am

Eh, gotta do some w-o-r-k. BBL

456 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:49:33am

re: #410 galloping granny

Very true. One of our favorite meals. I save it for special occasions these days because it is loaded with calories. The only thing blue box is good for is "camping dish."

Once I dared to make the mac & cheese without the sliced tomatoes on top and you would have thought that Santa Claus had died or something.

I've never done the tomato thing. I'll remember to try it this summer when the 'maters start ripening.

457 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:49:37am

re: #444 mrsoc

When the Pope came to Yankee Stadium (I think it was 1979) we would do this Bronx Pope Cheer for weeks in advance and afterwards, Go POPE! Go POPE ! Go POPE! SWING BATTAH BATTAH BATTAH ,SWIIiiiiiING!
PoooOOOOOooOOOoooPe!

Not nasty, not to mock, joyful, but because we really loved him, even though we were Godless thugs. We hated Commies more, LOLOLOL!

Sadly this Pope is not nearly as inspirational

458 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:49:47am

re: #440 laZardo

I had a typewriter once where you used the L key for the 1. It also had built-in whiteout, which was a plus.

I still have a typewriter with no 1 key. It is a circa 1920's Underwood Standard. It was old when I learned to type on it, but I haven't used it in many years.

459 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:49:49am

re: #445 OldLineTexan

I learned to cook in the Boy Scouts.

That has its advantages and disadvantages.

My ex was a Boy Scout leader. The last trip I heard about they had gone off camping and failed to bring anything other than a huge kettle to cook in and a ladle to go with it. Pancake breakfast. And then there was the time that they heated beans in the campfire. Forgot to poke a hole in the top of the can.

/You can tell who cooked when we went camping together, right? His daughters gave him A Man, A Can, A Plan as a Christmas gag gift a few years back.

460 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:50:10am

re: #454 LanceKates

One thing I never was able to get was a typewriter that was identical in font, size and spacing as the default for Microsoft Word.

I saw an ad for one once, fellow named Burkett was selling one while back.

461 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:50:13am

re: #419 LanceKates

by the time I got to high school, they did not have home-ec, auto-body or shop.

Fell to the budget ax, I bet.

462 Miss Trixie  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:50:30am

re: #440 laZardo

I had a typewriter once where you used the L key for the 1. It also had built-in whiteout, which was a plus.

You can always tell where a blonde's office is - there's whiteout on the screen.

:P

463 loppyd  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:50:34am

re: #452 Peacekeeper

{PK}

464 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:51:17am

re: #432 laZardo

I actually wanted to take home-ec, and partially because they didn't have shop class (though they had a "carpentry" complex that spanned the length of the soccer field for some reason).

Bet you just wanted to hang out with the cuties.

465 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:51:24am

re: #448 Peacekeeper

Yes ma'am! Great to have the ice finally melted isn't it. We are up near sin city on the Lake.


I'm the other side of that state on the river, but I was up near sin city on the Lake a couple of weeks back. There is another VT lizard too - lives up in G_d's country. We should plan a picnic.

466 loppyd  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:51:33am

re: #462 Miss Trixie

You can always tell where a blonde's office is - there's whiteout on the screen.

:P

*ahem*

:~)

467 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:51:33am

re: #451 galloping granny

Think on a Lego MindStorms kit for building robots for the birthday or some such - though they are spendy.

Get an old computer and let him take it apart and put it back together again.

It's a shame about the Lego prices...they are really cool kits, very well done.

My 8 yo son received this for Christmas. Not as "cool" as Mindstorm stuff, but it's an invaluable teaching tool.

And let him BUILD a computer, earning the parts as allowance. I can supply you with a hard drive when he's ready.

468 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:51:36am

re: #454 LanceKates

One thing I never was able to get was a typewriter that was identical in font, size and spacing as the default for Microsoft Word.

You can get one from Dan Rather. He's not using it anymore.

469 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:51:50am

re: #460 jcm

Only used once!

re: #461 MandyManners

Could be.. who knows.... I do remember the big excitement that came when they had their first black student ever.

small rural high school.

470 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:51:57am

re: #434 rightside Morning to you - things coulda gone better, I'm afraid.
How are you doing this morning?

471 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:52:09am

re: #453 MandyManners

I got my first computer in the early/mid-80s if memory serves. It was this portable thing with the keyboard that attached to the screen/CPU. It weighed a ton.

Was it a Compaq "lovable luggable"? Those things were tanks.

472 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:52:28am
473 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:53:08am

re: #454 LanceKates

One thing I never was able to get was a typewriter that was identical in font, size and spacing as the default for Microsoft Word.

Hang out at surplus sales at Texas Air National Guard bases. They had those.

/

474 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:53:17am

re: #436 {loppyd} Hey {loppyd} - Prayers going up right now - and when you get a chance, please check your e-mail.

475 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:54:02am

re: #433 razorbacker

Whaaaa? Have they no mothers? No fathers? No grandparents or uncles or aunts. No caregivers of any stripe who let you (or require you) to help out in the kitchen?

Where oh where will they learn to cut off the end of the Easter ham before putting it in the pan?

They may put sugar in the cornbread. Or beans in the chili. Or, and I hesitate to even mention it, because you know this is how evil actions are begun, start removing the skin before frying the yardbird.

No, I say. A thousand times no! Let school be what school is intended to be. A place where you learn what a bunch of evil white oppressing racist warmongering mother killing father raping wastes of skin that Amerikkkans are.

Let schools do what schools do best. Don't dilute the message.

Home-ec can bring it all together. You need to learn how to manage money, cooking teaches math (measuring amounts and how to figure out the USRDA values) and chemistry, sewing teaches math.

476 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:54:24am

re: #467 OldLineTexan

It's a shame about the Lego prices...they are really cool kits, very well done.

My 8 yo son received this for Christmas. Not as "cool" as Mindstorm stuff, but it's an invaluable teaching tool.

And let him BUILD a computer, earning the parts as allowance. I can supply you with a hard drive when he's ready.

Mandy's son is only 8 or so. He's still at the taking it apart to see what's in there stage. When the kiddo was still in real school I used to take an old non-functional box around to the classrooms. You would think all those little boys (and many of the girls) had suddenly found themselves in heaven.

477 dartmydog  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:54:30am

The fact that the Iraqi army has been seen to be soft on deserters cannot inspire faith in it by the people of Iraq. The news release, "1,300 Al-Sadr Supporters Expelled From Iraqi Security Apparatuses", rings of an army who is weak at the knees; the Iraqi military command must prosecute the wayward soldiers or face inevitable decay.


1,300 Al-Sadr Supporters Expelled From Iraqi Security Apparatuses

Iraq's Interior Ministry spokesman has announced the expulsion from Iraqi security forces of 1,300 policemen and soldiers who refused to fight the Mahdi Army during recent violent events in southern Iraq.

Source: Al-Zaman, London, April 13, 2008

478 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:54:32am

re: #439 paxnhymn Ha, ha, ha. You're a regular riot there Alice!
;')

479 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:54:57am

re: #435 Bubblehead II

Basicly, because they are a wacked out cult and they don't like people pointing it out and using thier stuff to prove it. Just like the death cult of islam uses Cair to silence or attempt to silence those critical of islam and using the koran to prove it.

I wonder how quickly a Scientologist would be to accept Islam vs. how long an evangelical Christian would accept it.

480 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:55:20am

re: #457 BabbaZee

I wonder what our Bostonite Lizards have to say about the Pope going to YANKEE STADIUM.

re: #464 MandyManners

Chicks were only starting to dig nerds back then. :B Money still talked louder though...

481 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:55:29am

re: #357 LanceKates

Threat of violence closes more schools in IL.

I don't know why they're closing the schools. There is no threat of violence. Schools are weapons free environments... according to the left, that reduces violence.

Thugs are being allowed to take over in far too many cities. Police are unable to solve the problem. Are you protected?

Long ago, regardless of what those think who consider this school violence thing a new development, there used to be bomb threats phoned to schools in order to force the schools to close.

My little school received one such threat. To which the principal responded, "Razorbacker, if you miss today's exam we're going to flunk you."

Profiling buncha ijits.

482 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:55:36am

One thing that bothers me about the Pope's Mass at NAtionals Park today is that Catholic Dems are going to be there... The Pope has been adamant about Catholic Pols or anyone who goes to Church but does not follow Catholic doctrine... His feeling is they should not receive the Eucharist...

Pelosi and Kerry and Kennedy are planning on receiving Eucharist today... I wish the Pope could snub them...

483 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:55:50am

re: #463 loppyd

Loppyd, my thoughts are with you and your family this morning. Hang in there. It does sound like progress is being made.

484 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:55:53am

re: #438 Yankee Division Son

"So I think (Obama) definitely has convinced people that he stands for change and for hope, and I can't wait to see what he stands for."
-Susan Sarandon

Hohohohohohoho

485 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:56:15am

re: #437 OldLineTexan

Then he needs a tool kit and trips to the junkyard.

/My parents got really tired of my habit of bringing home junk I found on heavy trash day

I'll leave that up to my dad, his male role model. He's a retired telecom exec. who also taught aviation electronics in the Navy.

486 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:56:19am

re: #480 laZardo

I wonder what our Bostonite Lizards have to say about the Pope going to YANKEE STADIUM.

ROTF
Blasphemy!

487 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:56:30am

re: #470 realwest

Well, my TAPASWY. Doing well here thanks.


So Happy It's Thursday!

488 sparrowlake  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:56:36am

re: #389 BabbaZee

Thanks, Babbaleh.
If He's up there I am sure He is watching over you.

489 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:56:38am

re: #457 BabbaZee

When the Pope came to Yankee Stadium (I think it was 1979) we would do this Bronx Pope Cheer for weeks in advance and afterwards, Go POPE! Go POPE ! Go POPE! SWING BATTAH BATTAH BATTAH ,SWIIiiiiiING!
PoooOOOOOooOOOoooPe!

Not nasty, not to mock, joyful, but because we really loved him, even though we were Godless thugs. We hated Commies more, LOLOLOL!

Sadly this Pope is not nearly as inspirational

We used to chant, 'John Paul II, We Love You!' He once retorted, 'John Paul II, He Love You Too!'

490 mrsoc  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:56:42am

re: #457 BabbaZee

Give him time. When he took over the cafeteria closed for all those cafeteria Catholics. He's a scholar and he knows whereof he speaks. He's one of those quiet types who later on you say "Wait, what did he just do?" I felt the same way about him as you described until I realized the cult of personality was no longer in effect. Before he's done many people will say he was amazingly effectual in bringing back the Catholics who felt disenfranchised, for lack of a better word.
Of course right now all I can think is that it's no wonder there are no priests anywhere else, they're all in Washington DC-it wouldn't be a good day to need anointing! Everybody-stay healthy until they get back.

491 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:57:02am

re: #476 galloping granny

Mandy's son is only 8 or so. He's still at the taking it apart to see what's in there stage. When the kiddo was still in real public school I used to take an old non-functional box around to the classrooms. You would think all those little boys (and many of the girls) had suddenly found themselves in heaven.

PIMF. Homeschooling is every bit as "real."

492 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:57:19am

*******WARNING*********
Do not continue if you have a tender stomach
*******Seriously SICK*******


The Yale Daily News reports on a student art project which will inevitably receive wide coverage. (Yale link broken)

Beginning next Tuesday, (Aliza) Shvarts (‘08) will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated herself “as often as possible” while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages. Her exhibition will feature video recordings of these forced miscarriages as well as preserved collections of the blood from the process.
493 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:57:27am

re: #481 razorbacker

heh. joviality aside, I do find it amazing that since schools became 'weapons free', violence has increased.... yet the left still believes and teaches that 'weapon free environmenets' are somehow safer.

Of course, apparently some also believe that a black preacher hating white people isn't racist, but Imus deserved to have been fired.

494 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:58:06am

re: #446 BabbaZee Hey {Babba} thank you very much; just love waking up to Led Zep!
And here's one for you:

495 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:58:21am

re: #447 jcm

Bingo!

We had a lot of guys think it was like the show EMERGENCY. They weren't ready for a little old lady who was dying of cancer puking all over you just after breakfast. Or having to clean and put all the gear back on engine at 3AM in the rain after working you ass off for 10 hours.

They thought it was riding around on the big red rig looking cool.

I'd let him put my gear away.

496 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:58:26am

re: #489 tfc3rid

We used to chant, 'John Paul II, We Love You!' He once retorted, 'John Paul II, He Love You Too!'

seriously?

That's awesome! heh.

497 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:58:29am

BRACE YOURSELVES, this is the worst yet:


Art major Aliza Shvarts 08 wants to make a statement.

Beginning next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated herself as often as possible while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages. Her exhibition will feature video recordings of these forced miscarriages as well as preserved collections of the blood from the process.

The goal in creating the art exhibition, Shvarts said, was to spark conversation and debate on the relationship between art and the human body. But her project has already provoked more than just debate, inciting, for instance, outcry at a forum for fellow senior art majors held last week. And when told about Shvarts? project, students on both ends of the abortion debate have expressed shock ? saying the project does everything from violate moral code to trivialize abortion.

498 mrsoc  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:58:31am

re: #482 tfc3rid

One thing that bothers me about the Pope's Mass at NAtionals Park today is that Catholic Dems are going to be there... The Pope has been adamant about Catholic Pols or anyone who goes to Church but does not follow Catholic doctrine... His feeling is they should not receive the Eucharist...

Pelosi and Kerry and Kennedy are planning on receiving Eucharist today... I wish the Pope could snub them...


Me too.

499 ethanxxx  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:58:55am

re: #486 BabbaZee

ROTF
Blasphemy!


Ya!... but did you notice that the place is decked-out in RED SOX RED!

500 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:59:01am

re: #492 jcm

I heard about that... Sick, sick stuff...

501 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:59:07am

re: #459 galloping granny

My ex was a Boy Scout leader. The last trip I heard about they had gone off camping and failed to bring anything other than a huge kettle to cook in and a ladle to go with it. Pancake breakfast. And then there was the time that they heated beans in the campfire. Forgot to poke a hole in the top of the can.

/You can tell who cooked when we went camping together, right? His daughters gave him A Man, A Can, A Plan as a Christmas gag gift a few years back.

I'd like to get my hands on the giggling git who told the scouts that you could cook hamburger meat by molding it onto a stick and proping the stick over the fire.

9 out of 10 times that burger meat is going into the flames.

502 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:59:13am

re: #495 MandyManners

I'd let him put my gear away.

You just want him for his body!
;-P

503 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:59:21am

re: #493 LanceKates

It's not racist if it's coming from a black person, it's a legitimate criticism of society today and how it discriminates against them! At the worst, they're just venting frustration that the MAN is keeping them down!

504 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:59:31am

re: #490 mrsoc

I hope for the sake of the world he has courage as well.

505 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:59:44am

re: #471 OldLineTexan

Was it a Compaq "lovable luggable"? Those things were tanks.

Yes! It was a Compaq. The printer had a daisy wheel. (Man, that was a noisy thing.)

506 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:59:52am

re: #492 jcm

*******WARNING*********
Do not continue if you have a tender stomach
*******Seriously SICK*******


The Yale Daily News reports on a student art project which will inevitably receive wide coverage. (Yale link broken)

I saw that.

No, no erosion of moral character in today's youth.

But, why is it considered art? according to her ilk, it is just tissue . . .

507 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 6:59:57am

re: #398 Iron Fist

Lawyers, guns, and money are the three basic food groups.

/Jeannie Needs a Shooter

508 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:00:19am

re: #492 jcm

*******WARNING*********
Do not continue if you have a tender stomach
*******Seriously SICK*******


The Yale Daily News reports on a student art project which will inevitably receive wide coverage. (Yale link broken)

Art my ass. She should be locked up for insanity. After she is investigated for murder.

509 wahabicorridor  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:00:21am

Good morning lizards! This is a drive-by public service message.

We had an 'incident' yesterday. I woke up at about 5:30, fed The Fat Beagle and started the coffee. I smelled something 'funny' - and I realized I was cold. I checked the thermostat and the digital display was blank. AND I SMELLED SOMETHING ELECTRICAL BURNING.

Hubby was already up as he smelled it also. I called 911. The first thing the dispatcher said was very important and something we should all keep in mind.

'Ma'am, get your vehicles and any ammo away from the house'.

Good point. We also removed the lawnmower, gas grill, etc.

All is well. The circuit board in the furnace decided to die and scorched the plastic casing.

See ya later, gotta hop.

510 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:00:34am

re: #497 BabbaZee

GTMA! (I beat Babba by a minute WOOT)

Now pardon me while I go hurl.

511 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:00:54am

re: #506 LanceKates

I saw that.

No, no erosion of moral character in today's youth.

But, why is it considered art? according to her ilk, it is just tissue . . .

And to some of us, she's a serial killer...

512 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:00:55am

re: #462 Miss Trixie
Hey there {Miss Trixie}! How are ya doing today gorgeous? Got plenty of sinshine for a change?!

513 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:00:59am
514 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:01:02am

re: #492 jcm

Oh wah we posted it at about the same time, I didnt see it

sorry

515 JWM  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:01:03am

re: #492 jcm
She couldn't do watercolors?

JWM

516 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:01:04am

re: #503 laZardo

It's not racist if it's coming from a black person, it's a legitimate criticism of society today and how it discriminates against them! At the worst, they're just venting frustration that the MAN is keeping them down!

I do what I can.... there are just so many that sometimes one slips through my oppressive grip.

517 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:01:40am

re: #497 BabbaZee

My thoughts...

518 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:01:47am

re: #479 MandyManners

The Scientologist: (John Revolta type) Immediately.
Evangelical Christian: Never

519 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:02:12am

re: #481 razorbacker

Long ago, regardless of what those think who consider this school violence thing a new development, there used to be bomb threats phoned to schools in order to force the schools to close.

My little school received one such threat. To which the principal responded, "Razorbacker, if you miss today's exam we're going to flunk you."

Profiling buncha ijits.

LOL!

520 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:02:14am

re: #511 tfc3rid

And to some of us, she's a serial killer...

Yes, but we're just not 'nuanced' enough . . . we're just 'mean' . . . trying to take away her right to her body.

How evil of US....

pfft.

521 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:02:32am

re: #514 BabbaZee

Oh wah we posted it at about the same time, I didnt see it

sorry

No need top be sorry... Just shows I'm in good company!
:-)

522 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:02:54am

re: #468 rightside I thought that was Mary Mapes typewriter? Well, I could be misremembering - seems to happen to me more and more often these days! LOL!

523 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:03:11am

re: #492 jcm

*******WARNING*********
Do not continue if you have a tender stomach
*******Seriously SICK*******


The Yale Daily News reports on a student art project which will inevitably receive wide coverage. (Yale link broken)

WHAT THE FUCK?

524 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:03:49am

re: #523 MandyManners

WHAT THE FUCK?

That's putting it mildly.

525 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:04:02am

re: #502 jcm

You just want him for his body!
;-P

Who told?

526 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:04:09am

re: #497 BabbaZee

BRACE YOURSELVES, this is the worst yet:


Art major Aliza Shvarts 08 wants to make a statement.

Beginning next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated herself as often as possible while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages. Her exhibition will feature video recordings of these forced miscarriages as well as preserved collections of the blood from the process.

The goal in creating the art exhibition, Shvarts said, was to spark conversation and debate on the relationship between art and the human body. But her project has already provoked more than just debate, inciting, for instance, outcry at a forum for fellow senior art majors held last week. And when told about Shvarts? project, students on both ends of the abortion debate have expressed shock ? saying the project does everything from violate moral code to trivialize abortion.

You know, those abortifacient drugs are not available without a prescription. Who the HELL is the lunatic "medical professional" that kept supplying her with these and why the HELL does he/she/it still have a medical license? Not to mention the pharmacist who handed them out - also licensed, also with a responsibility to notice frequent usage.

527 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:04:23am

re: #520 LanceKates

Yes, but we're just not 'nuanced' enough . . . we're just 'mean' . . . trying to take away her right to her body.

How evil of US....

pfft.

She wouldn't have a right to her body in prison...

528 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:04:57am

re: #523 MandyManners

WHAT THE FUCK?

that was, basically, my thought on it.

529 sparrowlake  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:05:11am

re: #497 BabbaZee

BRACE YOURSELVES, this is the worst yet:


Art major Aliza Shvarts 08 wants to make a statement.

Beginning next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated herself as often as possible while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages. Her exhibition will feature video recordings of these forced miscarriages as well as preserved collections of the blood from the process.

The goal in creating the art exhibition, Shvarts said, was to spark conversation and debate on the relationship between art and the human body. But her project has already provoked more than just debate, inciting, for instance, outcry at a forum for fellow senior art majors held last week. And when told about Shvarts? project, students on both ends of the abortion debate have expressed shock ? saying the project does everything from violate moral code to trivialize abortion.

art my hairy ass.

530 m  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:05:14am

re: #521 jcm

Y'all rock but that girl... *shaking head*

531 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:05:16am

re: #518 Bubblehead II

The Scientologist: (John Revolta type) Immediately.
Evangelical Christian: Never

Without a doubt.

532 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:05:35am

re: #477 dartmydog Well I don't know about that - if it was MY army I sure as hell wouldn't want them IN it when we fought Sadr's "militia"!
Besides, iirc, being in the Iraq Army or Police Force is one of the few decent paying - by Iraqi standards - jobs you can have over there.
Better off without 'em.

533 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:05:45am

re: #529 sparrowlake

art my hairy ass.

Now that's art!

535 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:06:00am

re: #527 tfc3rid

I'm just waiting for calls for this to be done away with will be met with cries of "Freedom of Speech!"

right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness? Nah, those don't count.

536 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:06:01am

re: #524 jcm

That's putting it mildly.

Whoever approved it needs to be tarred and feathered.

537 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:06:27am

re: #524 jcm

Very mildly - see #517...

538 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:06:42am

re: #526 galloping granny

You know, those abortifacient drugs are not available without a prescription. Who the HELL is the lunatic "medical professional" that kept supplying her with these and why the HELL does he/she/it still have a medical license? Not to mention the pharmacist who handed them out - also licensed, also with a responsibility to notice frequent usage.

Suspend their licenses!

539 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:07:22am

re: #513 taxfreekiller

Damn, you're going to have a tough time non matter how the future turns out. Bummer.

/Certain Girl

540 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:07:37am

re: #405 Lucius Septimius

They pull some crap in our schools. In health (5th grade) they have a the school psychologist come in at the end of the class to do some touchy feely bullshit.

I asked my daughter what that was like and she said( dripping with sarcasm)," Tell me how you feeeel." She'll be OK.

The are crying poor mouth and can't make the connection between their staffing a fulltime psychologist (5th and 6th grade only school) and their budgetary woes..

Not to mention that K-8th grade entails 3 different schools. WTF.

Two of which are brand new. One of the retired police chiefs makes $150K per year for life with survivor benefits for his spouse.

541 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:07:37am

re: #484 BabbaZee HEY! You're not supposed to use "ho" to describe any woman! Even her!
lol!

542 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:07:43am

re: #528 LanceKates

that was, basically, my thought on it.

Why doesn't she just shove a bull-whip up her vagina? Too derivative?

543 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:08:22am

re: #517 laZardo

Uccch !

544 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:08:38am

re: #535 LanceKates

Of course it's all about Freedom of Speech against the government... Private organizations and businesses of course have the right to consor whatever they damn well please, but of course, that's the nuance in the First Amendment.

545 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:08:41am

re: #535 LanceKates

I'm just waiting for calls for this to be done away with will be met with cries of "Freedom of Speech!"

right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness? Nah, those don't count.

I am the last person on earth who would argue for a blanket condemnation of all abortion, but HOW DARE SHE?! She has completely trivialized both life itself and the agonizing decision that most women go through when they chose to have abortions. HOW DARE THAT SNOT DO THIS? AND HOW DARE YALE PROVIDE HER WITH SPACE TO DO SO!

546 paxnhymn  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:08:48am

re: #457 BabbaZee

"Sadly this Pope is not nearly as inspirational"

careful, Babba. Some folks wera their feelin' on their sleeves where this guy is concerned. I couldn't even say I didn't like his position on Protestants without being labeled a "Catholic hater" by some here. I found it funny, as a former cradle-Catholic!

Nowadays even pleasant disagreement is next to impossible.

547 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:08:55am

re: #487 rightside Uh, what is "TAPASWY"?! Must be Navy lingo or something!

548 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:09:14am

re: #542 MandyManners

Why doesn't she just shove a bull-whip up her vagina? Too derivative?

whips were used to beat slaves. It was probably viewed as too racist.

It's ok to offend christians and other pro-lifers, but never minorities....

Of course, if we say much about it, we'll be called bigots....

Heck, I'm often told that I'm just a woman hater who wants them all reduced to breeding stock.

549 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:09:33am

re: #537 laZardo

Very mildly - see #517...

There's not much that renders me truly speechless.

This is just staggering.

550 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:09:45am
551 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:09:53am

re: #436 loppyd

Prayers for your step dad.

The Red Sox bullpen could use few too.

552 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:09:56am

re: #544 tfc3rid

Of course it's all about Freedom of Speech against the government... Private organizations and businesses of course have the right to consor whatever they damn well please, but of course, that's the nuance in the First Amendment.

I'm only 28, so I have alot to learn in life, but I am figuring out that 'nuance' means "it doesn't exist, so we're going to put up a cloud of BS until you believe that it does exist."

553 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:10:13am

re: #543 BabbaZee

Well, she would have had to get rid of the excess.

/still, that picture was putting it VERY mildly.

554 Miss Trixie  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:10:50am

{Loppyd} Toots, you know I dint mean yoooooooo.

Thoughts and best wishes for your family this morning.

{realwest} Morning *smooooooooooch* Och, I've been so busy this week that I've not had much time to post but today I do. How are you and is your mom ok?

555 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:11:14am

re: #546 paxnhymn

"Sadly this Pope is not nearly as inspirational"

careful, Babba. Some folks wera their feelin' on their sleeves where this guy is concerned. I couldn't even say I didn't like his position on Protestants without being labeled a "Catholic hater" by some here. I found it funny, as a former cradle-Catholic!

Nowadays even pleasant disagreement is next to impossible.

As a hard-core Catholic, I completely agree that in terms of relating to his flock, Pope Benedict is not the charismatic leader that JPII was... He does not come off as a great orator and 'man of the people'... What he is is very fathful and extremely well versed in the faith, as any pope should be...

556 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:11:21am

re: #548 LanceKates

whips were used to beat slaves. It was probably viewed as too racist.

It's ok to offend christians and other pro-lifers, but never minorities....

Of course, if we say much about it, we'll be called bigots....

Heck, I'm often told that I'm just a woman hater who wants them all reduced to breeding stock.

Wasn't Maplethorpe's bull-whip-in-bodil-orifice art considered racist?

557 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:11:21am

re: #498 mrsoc

Me too.

Maybe he could give them Oreo's or something instead of the real thing?!

558 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:11:34am

re: #543 BabbaZee

Uccch !

Jeremiah 1:5 (Darby Translation)
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I hallowed thee, I appointed thee a prophet unto the nations.

559 opnion  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:11:37am

I heard a Hillary soundbite on the radio the other day.
It was when she & Barry were at some conference.
She was asked her favorite Biblical passage.
She went into how lucky she was that the Bible was quoted all of the time in her house growing up.
Then, are you ready? Here it comes, "Bill and I used to read Chelsea Bible stories at bed time" Uh huh

560 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:12:05am

re: #545 galloping granny

Harvard segregates its gyms, Yale allows such an exhibit...

/higher education my ass.

561 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:12:39am

re: #559 opnion

I heard a Hillary soundbite on the radio the other day.
It was when she & Barry were at some conference.
She was asked her favorite Biblical passage.
She went into how lucky she was that the Bible was quoted all of the time in her house growing up.
Then, are you ready? Here it comes, "Bill and I used to read Chelsea Bible stories at bed time" Uh huh

So, what is her favorite passage?

562 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:13:26am

re: #547 realwest

Thoughts And Prayers Are Still With You. (and your mom)

563 sparrowlake  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:14:00am

re: #533 jcm

re: #529 sparrowlake
art my hairy ass.

Now that's art!

lol. Actually, both are too obscene to qualify as art.
But at least mine is not worthy of life imprisonment without parole.

564 dartmydog  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:14:18am

The detractors in my opinion are dangerous and the mere thought they will only be "released" from the Army really bakes my noodle. They need to Court Marshall them, they must, or face mass surrenders on the part of their own forces in the future. The Iraqi Army must punish these mutineers or risk loosing face. re: #532 realwest

565 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:14:32am

re: #556 MandyManners

Wasn't Maplethorpe's bull-whip-in-bodil-orifice art considered racist?

no idea. I gave up caring about 'art' long, long ago.

566 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:14:38am

Carter Meets With Hamas Leader Who Likens Israel to Nazi Germany

CAIRO — Former President Jimmy Carter has gone through with controversial plans to meet a top Hamas official Thursday in a Cairo hotel, FOX News has confirmed.

In the face of mounting criticism, Carter met with Mahmoud Zahar, who controls Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip. Zahar wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post Thursday decrying the "hideous straitjacket of apartheid" in Gaza and compared Israel to Nazi Germany.

"Sixty-five years ago, the courageous Jews of the Warsaw ghetto rose in defense of their people," he wrote. "We Gazans, living in the world's largest open-air prison, can do no less."

{SPIT}

567 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:15:12am

re: #530 {m} Hi there {m}! How are you doing this fine, Carolina Blue skied morning? Think spring has sprung?!

568 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:15:13am

re: #534 BabbaZee


The depravity of that woman is staggering

Amen Babba!

569 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:15:19am

re: #497 BabbaZee

What have you done?

570 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:15:30am

re: #1 Rancher

Missing Rush Limbaugh

Good morning all. I'm glad I didn't read that last night. I would have had nightmares.

571 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:16:28am

re: #549 jcm

About 2 months ago I got a message pertaining to this.
Whenever this happens I write it down so I know exactly what I heard:

Depravities exist that you can not conceive of. This because the seeds do not exist in you. Prepare to witness abominations.


/I am not insane, Most Excellent Festus!

572 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:16:30am

re: #560 laZardo

Harvard segregates its gyms, Yale allows such an exhibit...

/higher education my ass.

I have to tell you, the list of institutions that we will allow the kiddo to attend gets shorter literally by the day.

573 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:17:35am

re: #553 laZardo

I understand, however the images of your generation lack grace and refinement, LOL
Video games have destroyed aesthetics.

574 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:18:13am

re: #566 NJDhockeyfan

So he's likening the people whose survivors would eventually become Israelis to the people they rose up against?

/logic paradox...causing brain short-circuit...hurrrghk

575 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:18:20am

Of course, 'art' is what everyone believes it to be... Virgin Mary with dung, Urine soaked cross, both here in NYC... Both of which were fought vehemently by Rudy Guiliani...

576 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:18:27am
577 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:18:36am

re: #569 Endangered in MASS

{EiM}

I made a fool of everyone.

578 Karridine  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:18:41am

re: #471 OldLineTexan

Was it a Compaq "lovable luggable"? Those things were tanks.

THAT was my 2nd computer, and I lugged it to Saudi Arabia, where I used Microsoft Project 1.0 to do the WHOLE Critical Path Management bar-chart for our 147-bed hospital, and mine was just as accurate as the Hewlett-Packard Mini's with its 3-man team!

/How to Become Persona Non Grata, Mose Riki Tikk :D

579 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:19:02am

re: #554 {Miss Trixie}And a *smooch* back atcha! Hey, DO you have plenty of sinshine just yet or what?!

580 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:19:26am

re: #565 LanceKates

no idea. I gave up caring about 'art' long, long ago.

I think he was the same twit who immersed a crucifix into a vat of urine.

581 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:19:35am

re: #558 jcm

Jeremiah 1:5 (Darby Translation)
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I hallowed thee, I appointed thee a prophet unto the nations.

AMEN

582 OtisMyMan  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:19:36am

Guaranteed she will receive an A+, several grant offers, and representation in the most successful avant garde, cutting edge galleries in New York, London, San Francisco, Paris and Milan. Within two years she will be featured on the cover of Art In America and will be a multimillionaire.

583 loppyd  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:19:42am

re: #472 BabbaZee

{Babba}

What's this I hear about her in some pr0n movie?

584 JWM  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:20:02am

re: "art"
First they had to divorce art from slavish representation of the natural world.
The next step was to divorce art from the antiquated notion of beauty.
Lack of talent discriminated against people with no talent, so art became whatever idea was new and clever.
Clever can't hold a candle to shocking.
Shocking created a race to the bottom. Depravity became the new ideal.
Pushing the envelope becomes the equivalent of creativity.
This Yale "artist" has discovered the newest horizon. Someone will find a way to sink even lower than she could imagine.
All in the name of art.

JWM

585 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:20:19am

re: #562 rightside Ah. Well I thank you very much for those kind thoughts.
Thanks.

586 Kirly  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:20:26am

Good Morning Lizard Nation!

How we all doing this fabulous day?

The Sonoran Desert is as beautiful and as perfume filled, from all the flowering going on out there, as i've ever seen it. Life is good!

and Obama stammered through another debate. heheheh

587 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:20:38am

re: #573 BabbaZee

A lot of video games today are rather pointless shoot-em-ups, but if you look hard you'll find quite a few jewels in the rough.

588 loppyd  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:20:39am

re: #554 Miss Trixie

{Miss Trixie}

589 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:21:04am

re: #576 buzzsawmonkey

No.

Two interesting things about Mapplethorpe:

1) He made his reputation and money in the private sector, not as an artist suckling at grants.

2) When he decided to change his focus by doing a series of photographs of plant sexual organs--i.e., flowers--the people who had lauded his sexually-charged work showing humans turned on him in a frenzy. His work was damned as "merely decorative," "too pretty," etc., and it almost destroyed his reputation.

Who did the bull-whip thing? The same who did the crucifix in urine?

590 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:21:22am

re: #541 realwest

HEY! You're not supposed to use "ho" to describe any woman! Even her!
lol!

HO!

591 opnion  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:21:25am

re: #546 paxnhymn

"Sadly this Pope is not nearly as inspirational"

careful, Babba. Some folks wera their feelin' on their sleeves where this guy is concerned. I couldn't even say I didn't like his position on Protestants without being labeled a "Catholic hater" by some here. I found it funny, as a former cradle-Catholic!

Nowadays even pleasant disagreement is next to impossible.

I would say that this Pope is much more pro America than the last one and also takes a harder line on the priest/sex scandal.

592 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:21:39am

re: #581 BabbaZee

AMEN

Selah.

593 loppyd  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:21:45am

re: #551 Endangered in MASS

Prayers for your step dad.

The Red Sox bullpen could use few too.

Thanks.

That game was ugly.

594 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:22:00am

re: #534 BabbaZee


The depravity of that woman is staggering

That woman is an idiot. Having said that, she needs lots of prayers, for a conversion of heart.

595 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:22:00am

Mornin' All,

Well, looks like I'm behind the curve again. I just posted this atrocious story on the spin off links, and here are all you already deep in discussion of it. Ah shoulda knowed.

I'm on a drive by, but in case I don't get a chance twixt now and then:

A zizen Pasach to all... A sweet Passover.

Except YOU, ya sonofabitch, and you know who you are!

OK, even YOU, but only this time.

596 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:22:01am

re: #584 JWM

re: "art"
First they had to divorce art from slavish representation of the natural world.
The next step was to divorce art from the antiquated notion of beauty.
Lack of talent discriminated against people with no talent, so art became whatever idea was new and clever.
Clever can't hold a candle to shocking.
Shocking created a race to the bottom. Depravity became the new ideal.
Pushing the envelope becomes the equivalent of creativity.
This Yale "artist" has discovered the newest horizon. Someone will find a way to sink even lower than she could imagine.
All in the name of art.

JWM

GRAMSCIAN WHORES!

597 rightside  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:22:07am

re: #582 OtisMyMan

Guaranteed she will receive an A+, several grant offers, and representation in the most successful avant garde, cutting edge galleries in New York, London, San Francisco, Paris and Milan. Within two years she will be featured on the cover of Art In America and will be a multimillionaire.

Nailed it!

598 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:22:15am

re: #587 laZardo

A lot of video games today are rather pointless shoot-em-ups, but if you look hard you'll find quite a few jewels in the rough.

Does nothing for me.
Computer generated "art" has a cold, souless quality that repels me

599 Karridine  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:22:56am

Babba, Septimius, Frenz...
Been here over an hour, catching up-thread, but now sons wheedle CPU time so I fade into the Bangkok sunset...

All best wishes to y'all (Lucius, some serious observations on the quality of education tonite; yours and other's)

Nytol

600 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:22:58am

re: #594 Ward Cleaver

That woman is an idiot. Having said that, she needs lots of prayers, for a conversion of heart.

Amen.

601 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:23:10am

Gee, W is a Yalie. I wonder what he thinks of that woman's "art"? I hope this causes a huge drop in alumni donations.

602 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:23:13am

re: #591 opnion

I would say that this Pope is much more pro America than the last one and also takes a harder line on the priest/sex scandal.

Why do you say more pro-American? Was JPII anti-American in some way I missed?

603 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:23:29am

re: #591 opnion

I would say that this Pope is much more pro America than the last one and also takes a harder line on the priest/sex scandal.

This Pope is also much more of a scholar than the last. And I, for one, have FAR more respect for Benedict than I ever did for his predecessor - even before he kissed the koran.

604 opnion  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:23:34am

re: #561 MandyManners

So, what is her favorite passage?


That was the most interesting part of her answer. She didn't answer the question per se, but instead made herself out to be a Biblical scholar

605 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:23:39am

re: #580 MandyManners

I think he was the same twit who immersed a crucifix into a vat of urine.

clearly high class art.

Funny, when I pee on something and tell people about it, I'm called crued and gross. He's called an artist.

I guess I'm telling the wrong people.

606 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:23:54am
607 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:24:05am

re: #564 dartmydog Bakes your noodle?! Um, where is it y'all are from, anyway? LOL!
Nah, they can't courts martial what amounts to an entire battalion - though the battalion command and company command level officers, mayber - but as I said, kicking them out of the best paying job for the average Iraqi is punishment enough - "all" they did was refuse to fight their brother muslims - and who knows, if you courts-martialled all of 'em, you could piss off a brigade of their friends. Seems to me the Iraqi's did the right thing here.

608 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:24:25am

re: #599 Karridine

{Your Bahainess}

609 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:24:25am

re: #606 MandyManners

Good song to rid ourselves of the outrage.

Thank you.

610 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:24:32am

re: #600 jcm

Amen.

She goes on the prayer list with Bill Maher.

611 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:25:18am

re: #583 loppyd

{Babba}

What's this I hear about her in some pr0n movie?

Oh eww I have no clue

612 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:26:18am

BTW,

Sent my first born off to Yale, raised a good conservative kid. Graduated, and came home, in the car that I bought, with a DEAN sticker on it. Been goin' rapidly down hill since.

Xin Loi.

613 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:26:23am

re: #604 opnion

That was the most interesting part of her answer. She didn't answer the question per se, but instead made herself out to be a Biblical scholar

I reckon she didn't quote one.

I wonder what BHO's is.

614 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:26:38am

re: #586 Kirly

Hiya Kirly

615 Kirly  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:26:42am

re: #610 Ward Cleaver

She goes on the prayer list with Bill Maher.

i'm not Catholic but i find his remarks completely despicable! anti-religious bigot.

616 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:27:15am
617 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:27:16am

re: #606 MandyManners

Good song to rid ourselves of the outrage.

Thanks Mandy. I needed that.

618 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:27:17am

re: #612 M. Bensson-Levi

MBL!

619 m  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:27:24am

re: #567 {realwest}

Hi there {m}! How are you doing this fine, Carolina Blue skied morning? Think spring has sprung?!

Hey Sunshine! I'm great, how about you? I'm sure hoping spring has sprung! :D

620 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:27:41am

re: #619 m

m!

621 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:27:51am

re: #605 LanceKates

clearly high class art.

Funny, when I pee on something and tell people about it, I'm called crued and gross. He's called an artist.

I guess I'm telling the wrong people.

I remember a few weeks ago some Lizard tried to chastize me for my avatar, tried to get me to change it because some chillllldrennnn might see it.

622 Kirly  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:27:54am

re: #614 BabbaZee


Hiya Kirly

bwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahah! bookmarked that one! :-)

"Hey Mo! nyuk, nyuk, nyuk"! hahahahahahahahah!

623 loppyd  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:28:13am

Marilyn Monroe sex tape to be kept private
Businessman who bought film for $1.5 million wants to protect her privacy


NEW YORK - A 15-minute film of Marilyn Monroe engaging in oral sex with an unidentified man will be kept from public view by a New York businessman who has bought it for $1.5 million, the broker of the deal said on Monday.
624 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:28:16am

re: #621 MandyManners

and I've always liked it.

625 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:28:28am

re: #609 jcm

Thank you.

You're welcome. Cleansed my palate.

626 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:29:18am

re: #615 Kirly

i'm not Catholic but i find his remarks completely despicable! anti-religious bigot.

He doesn't have any balls. If he did, he'd rip into Ol' Mo. Of course that would get him a fatwa, lots of jihadis intent on killing him, riots, etc. He's pathetic.

627 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:30:15am

re: #616 buzzsawmonkey

The bullwhip up the butt was, if I recall, a self-portrait by Mapplethorpe.

The crucifix in urine, Piss Christ, was by Andres Serrano.

Hard to keep those artists straight in my mind.

628 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:30:33am

re: #617 Ward Cleaver

You're welcome.

629 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:30:33am

re: #606 MandyManners
Hey Mandy - GREAT SONG by one of the greatest evah!
But I kinda like this to sorta chill out to:


Turn up your speakers!

630 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:30:50am
631 Lively  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:30:51am

re: #612 M. Bensson-Levi

BTW,

Sent my first born off to Yale, raised a good conservative kid. Graduated, and came home, in the car that I bought, with a DEAN sticker on it. Been goin' rapidly down hill since.

Xin Loi.

My kid starts law school in August. Still conservative.

However in Soph. year, she said she wished she wasn't white. She doesn't feel special because of her race.

/your kid will probably come back around

632 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:31:21am

re: #627 MandyManners

Hard to keep those "artists" straight in my mind.

Fixed.

633 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:31:25am

re: #624 LanceKates

It left me scratching and shaking my head.

634 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:31:35am

Education vs. intelligence...

I'm not very smart, but I 'got' standardized tests. They were easy for me. I don't know why, but because of that I got excellent grades in school. When I got to high school and had to take the SAT I scored an embarassingly high mark. Which brought me to the attention of the educationists in charge.

So I was tested, and my home life inspected. My family background was looked into. There was simply no reason that the son of a grade school dropout father and a mother that didn't finish high school, someone who lived in a trailer house in a junkyard with 5 siblings and various cats and dogs should outperform kids with vastly better backgrounds.

No one thought of the obvious. I lived in the south. Our home was not air conditioned. The library was.

By the way, I always wonder at those who boast of high IQ scores. Those scores vary by test, whether you're tired, or hungry, or hung over or stoned, or bored or just sick of taking another blasted test when what was really important was that the crappie were running or deer season starting or, whoohoo you had a date with some willing cutie with a dirty mind the night before.

The scores vary.

635 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:31:37am

Major gang fight in Nyack NY. Cops from 7 departments called in to try and quiet things down.

.... They're armed with axes, hammers and such. Friggen Shoot them.

America needs to take a stand against gangs.

636 rwmofo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:31:43am

OK, it's a new day. I checked the Fox News web site and THERE SHE IS AGAIN! It's that woman! And she's still not smiling!

Aaaaaaaahhhhhh!

637 JWM  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:31:59am

re: #627 MandyManners

Hard to keep those artists straight in my mind.


Not surpising. There isn't a straight one among their ilk.

JWM

638 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:32:20am

re: #629 realwest

Hey Mandy - GREAT SONG by one of the greatest evah!
But I kinda like this to sorta chill out to: [Link: www.youtube.com...]
Turn up your speakers!

Yes, it is pretty. Thank you!

639 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:32:40am

re: #633 MandyManners

That's ok. I was told yesterday that I am an angry and ragefilled person with a picture of a gun by my name and I don't show christian love.

People see what they want to see.

640 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:32:55am

re: #561 MandyManners

So, what is her favorite passage?

Jesus wept.

641 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:33:04am

re: #632 Ward Cleaver

Fixed.

Thanks!

642 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:33:16am

re: #623 loppyd

Marilyn Monroe sex tape to be kept private
Businessman who bought film for $1.5 million wants to protect her privacy

The whole thing is just a gag!

With that, I'm really outta here.

Thanks Babba...no connection here!

643 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:34:45am

re: #637 JWM

*rimshot*

644 Lively  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:35:09am

re: #634 razorbacker

Good on ya, razor.

645 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:35:11am

re: #639 LanceKates

That's ok. I was told yesterday that I am an angry and ragefilled person with a picture of a gun by my name and I don't show christian love.

People see what they want to see.

Who told you that?!

646 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:35:36am

We never got used to Egypt. We never felt we belonged there. We never said, "They are the masters and we are the slaves and that's the way it is." So when Moses came and told us we were going to leave, we believed him.

Everyone has their Egypt. You've got to know who you are and what are your limitations. But heaven forbid to make peace with them. The soul within you knows no limits.

~ From the wisdom of the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Schneerson; words and condensation by Tzvi Freeman

Zizen Pesach

647 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:35:38am

bbiab

648 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:35:39am

re: #642 M. Bensson-Levi

The whole thing is just a gag!

With that, I'm really outta here.

Thanks Babba...no connection here!

Rumor on the news last night was the man was either JFK or RFK.

649 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:36:20am

re: #639 LanceKates

That's ok. I was told yesterday that I am an angry and ragefilled person with a picture of a gun by my name and I don't show christian love.

People see what they want to see.

Nah! You're just the clingy type.
/

650 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:36:28am

re: #583 loppyd

It was on WBZ. They interviewed a this the person who arranged the sale to a private "collector".

He had seen the tape. They showed FBI files which would appear to confirm the existence of the tape.

There was speculation that the male participant was either Jack "Not safe around the crack of dawn" Kennedy or Bobby "Sloppy Seconds" Kennedy.

651 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:36:42am

re: #645 MandyManners

check on the thread from yesterday about the Village Voice. Last half dozen or so comments from me.

652 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:37:06am
653 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:37:11am
654 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:37:14am

re: #635 LanceKates

Major gang fight in Nyack NY. Cops from 7 departments called in to try and quiet things down.

.... They're armed with axes, hammers and such. Friggen Shoot them.

America needs to take a stand against gangs.

Exactly, but Daley says it's the gunz...........

Yeah, it's the guns alright, especially when a kid gets killed by a gang member with a baseball bat. Where's the gun in that!?!

We don't need gun control, we need gang control.

/Don't give King Richard II any ideas for baseball bat control, axe control, hammer control, etc.

655 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:37:35am

re: #649 jcm

Nah! You're just the clingy type.
/

guns and religion.

Of course, a girlfriend would make that a trifecta.

656 m  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:37:38am

re: #620 LanceKates

Hey Lance! What's up my friend! Boy this thread is really rolling this morning!

657 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:37:47am
658 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:37:50am

re: #650 Endangered in MASS

It was on WBZ. They interviewed a this the person who arranged the sale to a private "collector".

He had seen the tape. They showed FBI files which would appear to confirm the existence of the tape.

There was speculation that the male participant was either Jack "Not safe around the crack of dawn" Kennedy or Bobby "Sloppy Seconds" Kennedy.

In the Oval Office on the desk? (Just wondering if there is a precedent.)

659 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:37:52am

re: #648 jcm

Rumor on the news last night was the man was either JFK or RFK.

They're all dead.

/pick one

660 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:38:05am

re: #653 NJDhockeyfan

Is Oprah Starting Her Own Cult?

Starting? Seems pretty well established to me.

661 Lively  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:38:16am

re: #601 Ward Cleaver

Gee, W is a Yalie. I wonder what he thinks of that woman's "art"? I hope this causes a huge drop in alumni donations.


I think when you have repeated abortions for no reason....you tempt fate.

662 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:38:45am

re: #654 Honorary Yooper

We don't need gun control, we need gang control.

Proper gun control can lead to gang control.

Much easier to control gangs if our gun control is 1" groupings or less.

Defend yourselves people.

663 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:39:09am

re: #656 m

surely is. But it is morning. DDT is kindof dead I guess. once the new ones open, this dies off wholly.

664 Kirly  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:39:51am

re: #651 LanceKates

check on the thread from yesterday about the Village Voice. Last half dozen or so comments from me.

aw, lance. who cares what other people think? you know you're a good guy with a good heart and an appropirate love and respect for God, your Family, and your Country. you are one of the good guys and don't you forget it!

665 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:40:12am

re: #658 galloping granny


Don't you mean the Oval Orifice?

666 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:40:13am

re: #631 Lively

My kid starts law school in August. Still conservative.

However in Soph. year, she said she wished she wasn't white. She doesn't feel special because of her race.

/your kid will probably come back around

Don't think so. Married a Moonbat's Moonbat. Last conversation we had ended with me assuring, "One more word out of your mouth, and I'll break it." Still sane enough to have shut up, so perhaps there's a slight glimmer of hope. ;-)

NOW, I'm outta here!

667 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:40:58am

re: #653 NJDhockeyfan

Is Oprah Starting Her Own Cult?

Rich and lost.

/at least she's not going Scientologist

668 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:41:04am

re: #664 Kirly

aw, lance. who cares what other people think? you know you're a good guy with a good heart and an appropirate love and respect for God, your Family, and your Country. you are one of the good guys and don't you forget it!

Heh, thanks Kirly. I need to hire some of you to do my PR.

669 Lively  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:41:16am

re: #653 NJDhockeyfan

Is Oprah Starting Her Own Cult?

I think some people are waking up. I heard a DJ on a Christian radio station denounce her and her craziness.

/however some are still sleeping.

670 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:41:23am

re: #560 laZardo

Harvard segregates its gyms, Yale allows such an exhibit...

/higher education my ass.

Somebody's high on something.

671 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:41:27am

re: #651 LanceKates

check on the thread from yesterday about the Village Voice. Last half dozen or so comments from me.

Those VVers are nuts. I left a gem for ol' Roy on his blog about him being a corporate shill for being paid to write tripe.

672 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:41:35am

re: #635 LanceKates Good morning Lance! Uh, I don't know how to say this, but they don't really have "gangs" in Nyack, NY. No seriously, they don't - just groups of guys who hang out together (usually high school level). If these guys were really gangbangers, they'd a had Tech nines, .357's, shotguns and the like - the effin' cops would have been outgunned.

673 jamgarr  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:42:04am

re: #582 OtisMyMan

Love your nic

674 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:42:16am

re: #653 NJDhockeyfan

Is Oprah Starting Her Own Cult?

I found this bit interesting:


But it’s not like Winfrey is endorsing Maya Angelou or Toni Morrison, serious, educated artists with portfolios. Tolle is more like Kilgore Trout, Kurt Vonnegut’s science-fiction crackpot alter-ego.

KT, you got some 'splainin' to do!

675 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:42:52am

re: #653 NJDhockeyfan

Is Oprah Starting Her Own Cult?

I thought she already did. She has her tv show, book club, magazine, etc. Her own following... gaggles of people who do what she tells them to.

All she has yet to do is promise the people that if they all drink poison as a comet if flying by, aliens behind the comet will beam them aboard their spaceship and teach them about everything so they can live in peace.

676 rwmofo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:43:18am

re: #661 Lively

I think when you have repeated abortions for no reason....you tempt fate.

Did she ever figure out how she got pregnant?

677 BulgarWheat  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:43:22am

re: #639 LanceKates

Lance, I don't think you're hate-filled. You love your gun, afterall.

678 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:43:32am

re: #634 razorbacker

My IQ is anywhere from 135-150, and I got a 1330 on my SATs (30 on the ACT). And yet for some unknown reason I'm here and not on the Daily Kos.

679 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:43:42am

re: #658 galloping granny

In the Oval Office on the desk? (Just wondering if there is a precedent.)

Well, I doubt RFK would've been able to use it, and I think JFK was a bit classier than BJ Clinton.

/Use of BJ in BJ Clinton is purely coincidental.

680 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:43:54am

re: #638 MandyManners
My pleasure - but I shoulda hat tipped Charles for that one!

681 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:43:57am

re: #672 realwest

Nyack Gangbangers

lolololoolol

682 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:44:02am

re: #672 realwest

Good morning Lance! Uh, I don't know how to say this, but they don't really have "gangs" in Nyack, NY. No seriously, they don't - just groups of guys who hang out together (usually high school level). If these guys were really gangbangers, they'd a had Tech nines, .357's, shotguns and the like - the effin' cops would have been outgunned.

it is against the law for them to have guns. Surely no gangbanger would dream of breaking the law.

683 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:44:40am

re: #677 BulgarWheat

Lance, I don't think you're hate-filled. You love your gun, afterall.

See? Why don't people get it?

LOL...

684 loppyd  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:44:59am

re: #650 Endangered in MASS

It was on WBZ. They interviewed a this the person who arranged the sale to a private "collector".

He had seen the tape. They showed FBI files which would appear to confirm the existence of the tape.

There was speculation that the male participant was either Jack "Not safe around the crack of dawn" Kennedy or Bobby "Sloppy Seconds" Kennedy.

You mean the sainted Kennedy boys were actually pervs? LOL

685 m  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:45:08am

re: #663 LanceKates

Well that's just wrong!

DDT'ers of the world... untie!
/utnie!
/uniet?

UNITE damnit UNITE!

*sends out the Heathen signal*

686 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:45:36am

re: #678 laZardo

My IQ is anywhere from 135-150, and I got a 1330 on my SATs (30 on the ACT). And yet for some unknown reason I'm here and not on the Daily Kos.

Well, if you were on the Daily Kos, you'd have your head up where the sun don't shine, no matter how intelligent you are.

I think Markos's head is visible through is mouth, it's so far up there.

687 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:45:50am

re: #655 LanceKates

You can use antipathy toward immigrants for a substitute while you wait. (;

688 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:46:24am

re: #644 Lively

Good on ya, razor.

Thanks for the thought. I am, however, living proof that great potential does not always lead to great results.

I have somehow managed to keep my fingers from getting caught up in the might engine of justice, to have loved and kept the same woman for what will be 36 years this September, to have raised a daughter who is a happy and productive member of society, to have good friends on both sides of the gun line in Cummings prison, to speak in a courteous and respectful manner to both the richest man in America (at the time Sam Walton) and the most wretched dirt farmer in Arkansas2.

It's been a hell of a ride. If it ends today; well, I've got no complaints.

689 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:46:35am

re: #631 Lively

My kid starts law school in August.

She'll quickly figure out that she isn't the center of the universe.

/first year they scare you to death, second year they work you to death, third year they bore you to death

690 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:46:40am

Remember folks, there's been a move by the gangs, particularly certain gangs from south of the border, to head into the nice suburban areas to steal stuff and terrorize people.

bust into homes during the day to steal stuff. steal garage door opener remotes from cars to get into the house.

Kill people and steal firearms.

The "nice places" are becoming their new stomping grounds, so as to not have to lose people to intergang warfare.

691 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:46:49am

ABortion Art at Yale U

[Link: www.yaledailynews.com...]

Beginning next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated herself "as often as possible" while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages. Her exhibition will feature video recordings of these forced miscarriages as well as preserved collections of the blood from the process.

Girls Gone Wild, LLL style.

692 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:47:23am

re: #685 m

Well that's just wrong!

DDT'ers of the world... untie!
/utnie!
/uniet?

UNITE damnit UNITE!

*sends out the Heathen signal*

Is the Heathen Signal a picture of a lady in a bikinni?

693 williwonka  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:47:27am

Hillary attacked Obama about his ties to an old terrorist. Obama could have come back with a mention of her much more recent tie.

Pardon of FALN terrorists

On August 11, 1999, President Clinton offered clemency to members of the Armed Forces of National Liberation (FALN) terrorist group. [12] On January 24, 1975 the FALN bombed Fraunces Tavern in Manhattan killing four people. Over a six-year period, the group claimed responsibility for more than 100 bombings that took six lives and injured some 130 people.[13] It was widely reported the pardon of terrorists was motivated by an effort to appeal for votes from the Puerto Rican community in New York.[14]
[edit]

694 loppyd  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:47:59am

re: #691 Ben Hur

ABortion Art at Yale U

[Link: www.yaledailynews.com...]

Girls Gone Wild, LLL style.

I am speechless and that happens about once a decade.

695 m  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:48:08am

Hey {Loppy} girl! That isn't a perv! This is a perv :)

696 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:48:22am

re: #691 Ben Hur

ABortion Art at Yale U

[Link: www.yaledailynews.com...]


Girls Gone Wild, LLL style.


Yeah, a few have linked to it already.

Frankly, it is just a celebration of death.

697 loppyd  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:48:50am

re: #695 m

Hey {Loppy} girl! That isn't a perv! This is a perv :)

{m}

EEEEEEEWWWWWW

698 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:49:05am

re: #695 m

Hey {Loppy} girl! That isn't a perv! This is a perv :)

I thought that was a GITMO detainee writing appeals to DEM congressmen!

699 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:49:24am

re: #623 {loppyd} Hi ya {loppyd}! Um, didja see my #474 above?!

700 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:49:36am

re: #675 LanceKates

I thought she already did. She has her tv show, book club, magazine, etc. Her own following... gaggles of people who do what she tells them to.

All she has yet to do is promise the people that if they all drink poison as a comet if flying by, aliens behind the comet will beam them aboard their spaceship and teach them about everything so they can live in peace.

What's the stupid/evil ratio? 50/50?

701 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:49:49am

re: #695 m

Hey {Loppy} girl! That isn't a perv! This is a perv :)

Hey... I do NOT wear masks......

*evil grin*

702 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:49:58am

re: #682 LanceKates

it is against the law for them to have guns. Surely no gangbanger would dream of breaking the law.

I don't have the figures handy. But the bottom line is this:

A legally owned firearm is seldom used in a crime.

The person committing crime, with or with out a gun, already disregards the law. Specifically they disregard current law regard firearms.

It not that law doesn't work, it's not there aren't enough, it's not there not tough enough, restrictive enough.

It's that criminals DON'T OBEY THE LAW!

There was a specific 2nd amend question in the debate last night. It was clear neither candidate had a clue.

703 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:50:14am

re: #696 LanceKates

Yeah, a few have linked to it already.

Frankly, it is just a celebration of death.

Yes, a celebration of the Culture of Death.

704 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:50:24am

re: #700 Ward Cleaver

What's the stupid/evil ratio? 50/50?

for Oprah?

I'm afraid to post it. She has spies everywhere.

705 m  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:50:43am

re: #692 LanceKates

The Heathen Signal :)

706 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:50:45am

{m}

BBL

707 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:50:58am

re: #684 loppyd

Let's just say they were "randy " fellows whose libido would put a rabbit in mating season to shame.

708 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:51:00am

re: #704 LanceKates

for Oprah?

I'm afraid to post it. She has spies cult followere everywhere.

fixeded

709 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:51:29am

re: #691 Ben Hur

We had a hurlfest over that up thread.

*shudders*

710 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:52:24am

re: #702 jcm

Oh, BOTH candidates have a clue. THey just hope that we don't, so that they can take our guns.

No oppressive society was able to take root until the people were disarmed.

the Stalin, Pol Pot, et al. . . they all required an unarmed populace.

Remember who Hillary and Obama's heros are. Remember who they aspire to be.

THEY have a clue. but not enough of US do.

711 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:52:54am

re: #705 m

see, that wouldn't get my attention....

.....

.... no firearm in the picture.

712 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:54:21am

re: #710 LanceKates

Oh, BOTH candidates have a clue. THey just hope that we don't, so that they can take our guns.

No oppressive society was able to take root until the people were disarmed.

the Stalin, Pol Pot, et al. . . they all required an unarmed populace.

Remember who Hillary and Obama's heros are. Remember who they aspire to be.

THEY have a clue. but not enough of US do.

True, far to true. They have in clue in their world, which ain't mine or yours.

713 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:54:47am

re: #703 Ward Cleaver

Yes, a celebration of the Culture of Death.

That is possibly the most repugnant thing I have ever seen.

714 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:54:50am

re: #653 NJDhockeyfan
Um, no disrespect intended here, but who cares if Oprah is starting a cult? I was under the impression that she already was the icon of her own cult!

715 m  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:54:56am

re: #706 BabbaZee

Babba! Baby!

716 sparrowlake  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:55:02am

re: #627 MandyManners

Hard to keep those artists straight in my mind.

lol. They can go straight to hell.
It's one thing to acknowledge that people may have the right to create and perhaps even exhibit this garbage under the protection of the constitutional right of freedom of expression. But that does not mean that anyone is obliged to concede that this crud has artistic merit. IMO it is important for those who find this material obscene and offensive to say so, and to call its creators what they are - untalented, hateful and crude.

717 galloping granny  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:56:53am

re: #716 sparrowlake

lol. They can go straight to hell.
It's one thing to acknowledge that people may have the right to create and perhaps even exhibit this garbage under the protection of the constitutional right of freedom of expression. But that does not mean that anyone is obliged to concede that this crud has artistic merit. IMO it is important for those who find this material obscene and offensive to say so, and to call its creators what they are - untalented, hateful and crude.

This woman is not just untalented, hateful and crude. She is an abomination and a potential serial killer. Sheer evil.

718 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:57:11am

re: #677 BulgarWheat
Hey good morning my friend! How are you today?

719 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:57:12am

re: #712 jcm

we have a role in their world.

720 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:57:41am

re: #716 sparrowlake

lol. They can go straight to hell.
It's one thing to acknowledge that people may have the right to create and perhaps even exhibit this garbage under the protection of the constitutional right of freedom of expression. But that does not mean that anyone is obliged to concede that this crud has artistic merit. IMO it is important for those who find this material obscene and offensive to say so, and to call its creators what they are - untalented, hateful and crude.

Philistine!

721 m  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:57:55am

re: #711 LanceKates

The Lance Signal

722 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:58:02am

re: #681 BabbaZee ROTFLMAO!

723 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:58:17am

well, if you'll excuse me. I need to visit the restroom and make some art.

Call Yale, I should be ready for them to take the art and pay me in about 5 minutes.

724 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:59:10am

re: #719 LanceKates

We'll call it the "Lance Plan"....

725 m  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:59:11am

TMI Lance, TMI.

726 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:59:14am
727 Lively  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:59:30am

re: #676 rwmofo

Did she ever figure out how she got pregnant?

artificial insemination

728 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 7:59:45am

Is Oprah Starting Her Own Cult?

But it’s not like Winfrey is endorsing Maya Angelou or Toni Morrison, serious, educated artists with portfolios. Tolle is more like Kilgore Trout, Kurt Vonnegut’s science-fiction crackpot alter-ego.

Trout! You magnificent bastard!

729 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:00:03am
Cheney at DC Correspondents' Dinner
—Ace

Funniest line: "Hillary's Bosnia gaffe was just her misremembering a hunting trip with me."

Cheney cracks me up.

730 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:00:05am

here we go.....
Pope blames church sex scandal on breakdown of society

Pope Benedict XVI chided Americans for a moral breakdown he said had fueled the church's child sex abuse scandal, ahead of an open-air mass before tens of thousands here Thursday.
.....
In a speech delivered after evening prayer, the pontiff berated the bishops for their poor handling of a scandal surrounding sexual abuse of children in the church.

But he urged efforts "to address the sin of abuse within the wider context of sexual mores" as well as a reassessment of "the values underpinning society."

"What does it mean to speak of child protection when pornography and violence can be viewed in so many homes through media widely available today?" the pontiff said on the first full day of his US visit.

"Children deserve to grow up with a healthy understanding of sexuality and its proper place in human relationships. They should be spared the degrading manifestations and the crude manipulation of sexuality so prevalent today."

731 loppyd  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:00:56am

re: #707 Endangered in MASS

Let's just say they were "randy " fellows whose libido would put a rabbit in mating season to shame.

Leave us rabbits out of it!

LOL

732 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:01:02am

re: #728 Ben Hur

crackpot alter-ego.


Yup, that's me.

733 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:01:19am

re: #705 m Hey {m} uh, I couldn't quite make out that Heathen Signal, do y'all have a more, uh, clear photo?! LOL!

734 UFO TOFU  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:01:25am

re: #721 m
I was thinking of something along the lines of this, but yours is better.

735 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:01:39am

re: #691 Ben Hur

At least we're not the only ones who don't exactly approve...

736 loppyd  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:01:54am

re: #730 Killgore Trout

Pope Benedict XVI chided Americans for a moral breakdown he said had fueled the church's child sex abuse scandal, ahead of an open-air mass before tens of thousands here Thursday.

I am sitting on my hands.

Better yet, I am off to the post office.

BBL

737 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:02:28am

re: #723 LanceKates

well, if you'll excuse me. I need to visit the restroom and make some art.

Call Yale, I should be ready for them to take the art and pay me in about 5 minutes.

Is that you, Kid? How did you get access to the computer in class?

738 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:02:52am

re: #736 loppyd

I am sitting on my hands.

Better yet, I am off to the post office.BBL

mailing me my birthday gift ?

739 formercorpsman  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:03:38am

re: #691 Ben Hur

I read that yesterday.

There are no words.

It is beyond any comprehension as to freedom of speech.

Where is OSHA?

740 JWM  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:03:51am

re: #652 buzzsawmonkey
I've read in a few older (19th cent) texts (nothing I can quote chapter and verse) where illustrators were regarded as the second tier to true artists. An illustrator could render animals, people and landscapes with near perfect fidelity, but that wasn't enough. It took an artist to capture the transcendent quality in a still life arrangement, or a landscape. It took an artist to reveal the light and soul of the subject sitting for a portrait.

JWM

741 loppyd  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:04:12am

re: #738 sattv4u2

mailing me my birthday gift ?

When is it? Fellow Aries?

742 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:04:17am

re: #726 buzzsawmonkey

Bravo! One ding up.

743 jcm  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:04:17am

re: #719 LanceKates

we have a role in their world.

LOL!
Lock-n-Load before we get there.

744 m  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:04:18am

re: #738 sattv4u2

uhm... she's a little late with it... fellow scorpio!
:)

745 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:04:33am

re: #730 Killgore Trout

here we go.....
Pope blames church sex scandal on breakdown of society

Pope Benedict XVI chided Americans for a moral breakdown he said had fueled the church's child sex abuse scandal, ahead of an open-air mass before tens of thousands here Thursday.
.....
In a speech delivered after evening prayer, the pontiff berated the bishops for their poor handling of a scandal surrounding sexual abuse of children in the church.
But he urged efforts "to address the sin of abuse within the wider context of sexual mores" as well as a reassessment of "the values underpinning society."

"What does it mean to speak of child protection when pornography and violence can be viewed in so many homes through media widely available today?" the pontiff said on the first full day of his US visit.

"Children deserve to grow up with a healthy understanding of sexuality and its proper place in human relationships. They should be spared the degrading manifestations and the crude manipulation of sexuality so prevalent today."
SNIP

Good gravy. THOSE PRIESTS WERE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF THOSE KIDS.

746 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:04:42am

re: #741 loppyd

When is it? Fellow Aries?

no ,, Scorpio ,,, not until november ,,,,,,, but I'll take a gift anytime !

747 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:04:57am
100% of President Bushs Consider Professional Historians "Failures"
Posted by Harvey at 12:18 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) - After an informal survey of 109 professional historians showed 98% of them rating President Bush's administration as a "failure", President Bush announced that a recent poll of all current Presidents of the United States showed a surprisingly similar rating for professional historians - 100% "failures".

Historians were quick to criticize the methodology of the poll, pointing out that in order for a survey's results to have any meaning at all, the subjects must be chosen randomly.

President Bush defended the scientific rigor of his survey techniques. "I made a list of all sitting Presidents, then flipped a coin to determine which ones to ask the poll question. Every time it came up heads, the President George W. Bush that I asked had the same opinion of professional historians - 'failures'".

Some of the reasons given for the low ratings:

* Always reeking of pipe smoke and shattered dreams.

* Never holding a job that didn't involve copious quantities of kissing the Dean's ass.

* Leather elbow patches are totally gay.

* Unbroken string of inflatable girlfriends.

Despite the low scores, however, the survey results did include one positive comment about professional historians:

"At least they give Philosophy majors someone to feel superior to."

IMAO

I think that boy must be Iowahawk in disguise.

748 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:05:37am

re: #745 MandyManners

Exactly. Those men, those men alone, not society, not anything else, just those men alone.

749 realwest  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:05:39am

re: #744 m HEY {m} how are you today?!

750 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:05:42am

re: #744 m

uhm... she's a little late with it... fellow scorpio!
:)

or a little early ,,, (and how did you know~!?!?!?!?!?!?!?)

751 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:06:14am

re: #745 MandyManners

I think it's an indication that the problem will continue.

752 loppyd  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:06:25am

re: #746 sattv4u2

no ,, Scorpio ,,, not until november ,,,,,,, but I'll take a gift anytime !

That explains everything. LOL

BBL

753 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:07:06am

re: #667 Killian Bundy

/at least she's not going Scientologist

Some are leaving it. See my 176. John boy isn't going to be happy.

754 Kirly  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:07:25am

re: #690 LanceKates

Remember folks, there's been a move by the gangs, particularly certain gangs from south of the border, to head into the nice suburban areas to steal stuff and terrorize people.

bust into homes during the day to steal stuff. steal garage door opener remotes from cars to get into the house.

Kill people and steal firearms.

The "nice places" are becoming their new stomping grounds, so as to not have to lose people to intergang warfare.

yes, i've noticed. of course, my house is locked up like fort knox AND on a very loud, monitored alarm system, AND i loaded my 12 guage with alternating shots and slugs and then i forgot which one was first. :-0 i pity the fool that attempts to bust into my house when i'm actually there.

755 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:07:26am
756 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:07:35am

re: #747 razorbacker

That is rilly, rilly funny!

757 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:07:46am

re: #730 Killgore Trout

here we go.....
Pope blames church sex scandal on breakdown of society

"Children deserve to grow up with a healthy understanding of sexuality and its proper place in human relationships. They should be spared the degrading manifestations and the crude manipulation of sexuality so prevalent today."

I'm disappointed.
The Church should be a moral authority, not a follower.
They don't deserve the blame for the decadence in our society, but Church leaders should be moral guideposts, and accept the blame for what they did and what they allowed, not blame it on the culture. Shifting blame like this reduces their moral standing, because they should be helping people stand up the declining morals in society, not wavering themselves.

758 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:07:47am

re: #747 razorbacker

Heh. There have only been two presidents, IMHO, that deserve the title of failure:

James Buchanan for failing to address the problems leading to the Civil War.

Jimmy Carter for being the worst president ever. A list of his failures would outstrip the number of characters I have remaining in the comment block.

759 Lively  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:07:54am

re: #748 Honorary Yooper

Exactly. Those men, those men alone, not society, not anything else, just those men alone.

I'll second that. My best friend's brother was molested/raped by a priest. We didn't find out until he was grown because he was ashamed. What happened to the priest? He was forced to retire, nothing more. Meanwhile, Frankie is messed up.

760 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:08:23am

What'd I miss?

Oh ferget it i don't wanna know...

761 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:08:32am

re: #721 m

The Lance Signal

Woo-friggen- hoo!

762 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:08:59am

re: #747 razorbacker

"At least they give Philosophy majors someone to feel superior to."

Now that struck a little close to home. I minored in philosophy, with my major in economics and business. My thought was, if the economics advice proved to be sh*te, I could explain how it really wouldn't matter in a hundred years.

763 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:10:05am

re: #751 Killgore Trout

I think it's an indication that the problem will continue.

I can't seem to find this anywhere, but I wonder how many priests are in the world ,,,, then I wonder how many are sexual predators ,,,, (percentage wise),,, Next I would see how many auto mechanics (or insert any profession) are in the world and what percentage of those are sexual predators ,,

Now I realize that a priest, somewhat like a school teacher, should have a higher level of trust around children than lets say your local accountant ,.,,, But it would be a fascinating mathimatical excerscise ,, no ?

764 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:10:09am

re: #740 JWM

I've read in a few older (19th cent) texts (nothing I can quote chapter and verse) where illustrators were regarded as the second tier to true artists. An illustrator could render animals, people and landscapes with near perfect fidelity, but that wasn't enough. It took an artist to capture the transcendent quality in a still life arrangement, or a landscape. It took an artist to reveal the light and soul of the subject sitting for a portrait.

JWM

We now have some idea of her transcendent quality, and it is [expletive deleted]

I've done oil painting, and it gave me a great appreciation for the old masters, and less for the hacks that spill paint and call it art. But they are downright DaVincis compared to her.

765 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:10:41am

re: #754 Kirly

yes, i've noticed. of course, my house is locked up like fort knox AND on a very loud, monitored alarm system, AND i loaded my 12 guage with alternating shots and slugs and then i forgot which one was first. :-0 i pity the fool that attempts to bust into my house when i'm actually there.


Are you going to bore him to death with 1980's cliches?
;)

766 jamgarr  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:11:08am

re: #762 razorbacker

Now that struck a little close to home. I minored in philosophy, with my major in economics and business. My thought was, if the economics advice proved to be sh*te, I could explain how it really wouldn't matter in a hundred years.

LOL!

767 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:11:53am

re: #763 sattv4u2

It would be interesting to see if the occurrances are higher or lower than the average. That might tell us a lot more about what needs to be done over the entire profession to prevent it.

768 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:13:12am

re: #748 Honorary Yooper

Exactly. Those men, those men alone, not society, not anything else, just those men alone.

So, why is the pope saying that society held a gun to their heads and forced them to abuse those kids?

769 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:13:30am

Never mind. New thread.

770 formercorpsman  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:13:33am

re: #757 Kosh's Shadow

I'm catholic, I could not agree more with your post.

Well put.

771 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:13:44am

re: #767 Honorary Yooper

It would be interesting to see if the occurrances are higher or lower than the average. That might tell us a lot more about what needs to be done over the entire profession to prevent it.

thats my point ,,,, if we find out that 1/2 of 1 percent of all preists are predators ,,,and that 1/2 of 1 percent of all grocery store workers are predators ,,,,,,,

772 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:13:49am

If you've studiously studied for a few months, don't sweat the Bar exam.

/she slipped on a piece of meat, my favorite question

773 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:14:46am

I believe there are something like 45,000 priests ordained in the Roman Catholic Church... 2002 Official Catholic Directory

774 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:14:48am

re: #754 Kirly

My dad is retired and recovering from his second quad bypass. It occurred to me today that he won't be able to fire the 12 ga shotgun.

Maybe tonight I'll give him a rundown on my main carry pistol so he can have it near him during the day.

Our neighbor's home had a few footprints on her side entry door near the doorhandle.... what... three weeks ago?

They're coming, whether we want to admit it or not. Those who are not prepared to fight for themselves and their loved ones will become victims.

775 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:16:06am

re: #672 realwest

Good morning Lance! Uh, I don't know how to say this, but they don't really have "gangs" in Nyack, NY. No seriously, they don't - just groups of guys who hang out together (usually high school level). If these guys were really gangbangers, they'd a had Tech nines, .357's, shotguns and the like - the effin' cops would have been outgunned.

Hey Real, you wouldn't consider this a gang?

I'd say they have gangs in Nyack.

776 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:17:31am

re: #774 LanceKates

My home in NYC was broken into when I was 13 (18 years ago) when me and my mom were home... I ran upstairs immediately and busted out my dad's Red Ryder BB gun... The drugged up perp had no freaking clue and quickly went back down the stairs... He took a B&W TV set and got the frick out of there...

The best offense is a good defense...

777 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:18:40am

re: #776 tfc3rid

The best offense is a good defense...

And the ability to follow through on the threats of violence if they do not IMMEDIATELY stop, turn and run away.

778 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:18:46am

re: #763 sattv4u2

I think it was Ann Coulter who in one of her books claims that priests molest children at the same rate as the general population. I'm not sure where she got her figure from but if that's the best spin she could put on it then it's still pretty sad.

779 m  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:18:48am

re: #749 {realwest}

I'm great :) How about you? How did your mom's doctor visit go yesterday?

re: #750 sattv4u2

We share the same birthday ~ that's how I remembered :D

780 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:19:03am

As to the scandal, the Vatican has handled things poorly, the individual dioceses have hadled it poorly... As an elected member of my parish's Pastoral Council, we still deal with this crap in the reasons why registetred parisoners do not attend...

The trust that was previously there is gone, even though a person's faith may not...

781 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:20:49am

re: #779 m

I'm great :) How about you? How did your mom's doctor visit go yesterday?

re: #750 sattv4u2

We share the same birthday ~ that's how I remembered :D

geezz ,, you're better than me then ,,, I usually can;'t remember my OWN B'day !

782 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:21:28am

re: #780 tfc3rid

The trust that was previously there is gone, even though a person's faith may not...


That's where my mom is. She still considers herself Catholic but doesn't donate time or money to the Church anymore.

783 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:22:26am

re: #778 Killgore Trout

I think it was Ann Coulter who in one of her books claims that priests molest children at the same rate as the general population. I'm not sure where she got her figure from but if that's the best spin she could put on it then it's still pretty sad.

I'd like to see the source also ,,,,, but if true ,, how is that a "spin"?
It would show that MALES, no matter what their profession, are sexual predators at the same percentage ! It in no way exonerates a priest nor the church, but it does put it into perspective

784 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:24:37am

re: #780 tfc3rid
It kept me from converting for probably ten years minimum.

785 paxnhymn  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:26:46am

re: #591 opnion

I would say that this Pope is much more pro America than the last one and also takes a harder line on the priest/sex scandal.


being anti-Protestant is definitely
NOT pro-American.

786 Widow'smight  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:27:16am

re: #768 MandyManners

There's a reason I would never let my daughters be alone with other men I didn't know/trust extremely well.

The same reasoning needs to apply to the guardians of young catholic boys/men.

They also knew what will happen to anyone that messes with them.

Those priests should've had their asses kicked bad enough that'd they never even think of doing it again.

787 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:27:30am

re: #785 paxnhymn

What has this pope said that is anti-protestant?

788 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:27:30am

re: #785 paxnhymn

being anti-Protestant is definitely
NOT pro-American.

the Pope is anti protestant?

789 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:27:47am

re: #783 sattv4u2


I'd like to see the source also ,,,,, but if true ,, how is that a "spin"?


She does have an agenda so I assume she chose favorable statistics.

790 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:28:13am

Passover 2008

Every Jewish holiday has a theme. Passover is perhaps the most self definitional of the Jewish calendar, because more than anything else, it re-creates the events that made the Jewish people and seeks to make who we are relevant to today by putting our people's story in perspective, placing ourselves inside the ancient narrative.

One is encouraged to look inward and see where you are and where you fit into things as well as looking at the world around you with fresh eyes to see where things are going and what needs to be done.

For Jews this Passover, the outer world is a whirling, boiling cauldron set to explode at any moment. Jews of Israel are surrounded the threat of war from all directions.

In the dark times in which we live, no Jewish holiday in the last 10 years has been allowed to peacefully pass without some big attack on the Jewish people. Those who seek her destruction revel in the evil of attacking on Jewish holidays; Jews must never have peace.

The Gaza strip is a pulsing festering tumor of terrorism growing more malignant by the hour. Along the border, a major war threatens to explode at any moment. Palestinians, well armed and well funded by Iran are doing everything they can to inflict as many casualties as they can all seeking to do everything they can response to invite full invasion. Hamas' leaders and funders don't care what happens to their people.

Iranian made 120 mm mortar shells with a range of well over 8 miles, are crashing down on the border region, unlike the relatively ineffective and inaccurate, rockets, one hit from these mortar shells, will flatten just about any house, killing and injuring all inside. The situation is yet another escalation in terror violence from Israel's enemies. Hamas used the months since it illegally seized power to build a small terror army trained by Iran with the latest terror tactics.

The situation to the north is even more dire. Hezbollah is also prepared for all out war with a giant arsenal of missiles that, should they be fired, will cause enormous damage to Israel. The Syrian dictatorship, not caring the consequences of what happens to their power, seems eager to participate in any war that might erupt. The Syrian army is at the highest level of mobilization, in many decades; they too have been equipped with a sizable arsenal of long-range missiles specially designed for maximum civilian deaths and damage.

2000 km away, the Iranian centrifuges tirelessly spin, buried deep in underground facilities- the biggest threat to nuclear war humanity has seen since the Cuban missile crisis. The nuclear charged hirsute Hitler of Iran can see the finish line and whips his minions forward to finish the job. The thought of this lunatic on the hands of the nuclear trigger is just too frightening to contemplate. Hamas, Hezbollah, and Syria have all made pacts to destroy to the death, they have all agreed to allow themselves and their people to die so Iran can get the bomb and destroy Israel. If they don't know this to be the price for what they do, the Ayatollahs' appreciate the delicious irony of Sunni suicide for a Shi'a apocalypse.

Passover is all about the journey from slavery to freedom. Sometimes to get down the road to where you have to go, you have to fight to pass. It is my belief that this year's Passover is particularly significant because the very high likelihood of war. Iran believes that it can destabilize and deter Israel from attacking by fostering an all-out war closer by with Gaza, Lebanon and Syria fighting to deflect attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.

Next year's Passover will either be one of thanksgiving for deliverance from evil or one of utter dread for not acting to protect ourselves from our own doom. The coming days will require courage and determination, none should doubt the magnitude of the danger; but we are not alone on this journey, if we stand true with our friends and trust to the Creator, there will be great and wonderful days ahead for all of us.

791 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:29:17am

re: #789 Killgore Trout

She does have an agenda so I assume she chose favorable statistics.

that wasn't my question ,,,,, my question was, IF the sources are accurate, that the percentage of priests that are sexual predators is the same as men in any profession,, how is that "spin"?

792 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:34:22am

NYT rant on Microsoft and Google's use of health records not being covered by privacy standards.

out of curiosity.... why is it that microsoft or google would have my health records?

793 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:35:38am

re: #792 LanceKates

Well because Microsoft and Google are government front groups, don'tcha know...

794 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:37:27am

re: #793 tfc3rid

Well because Microsoft and Google are government front groups, don'tcha know...

I forgot about that.... I do need to keep this tin foil hat on more often, those brainwashing rays keep getting through.

*grin*

795 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:38:00am

re: #792 LanceKates

NYT rant on Microsoft and Google's use of health records not being covered by privacy standards.

out of curiosity.... why is it that microsoft or google would have my health records?

Microsoft ,,, Google ,,,, Haliburton ,,, Cheney ,,,,, United Health Care ,,, AAA ,.,,,,, they're all part of the MAN !

796 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:39:28am

re: #794 LanceKates

You are going to have to go back under Denver International and be retrained... And you MUST take the Obedience Oath again...

797 m  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:39:39am

re: #734 UFO TOFU

I was thinking of something along the lines of this, but yours is better.

Hey UFO TOFU! ! I don't know how I missed ya~

I think either one would have gotten a rise outta Lance! :D

rise= half a thump

Probably need more detail for a full fledged thump.

(although it did get a woo friggen hooo)

:D

798 m  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:40:41am
799 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:42:17am

re: #798 m

Explain this.

easy ,, Al Gore wasn't invented yet !

800 sparrowlake  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:42:19am

re: #730 Killgore Trout

here we go.....
Pope blames church sex scandal on breakdown of society

"Pope Benedict XVI chided Americans for a moral breakdown he said had fueled the church's child sex abuse scandal"

801 paxnhymn  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:42:41am

re: #787 LanceKates

What has this pope said that is anti-protestant?


he wrote an encyclical in which he stated, "other Christian denominations are not true churches and are thus not a pathway to salvation"

devicise....very.

802 sparrowlake  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:45:14am

re: #730 Killgore Trout

here we go.....
Pope blames church sex scandal on breakdown of society

"Pope Benedict XVI chided Americans for a moral breakdown he said had fueled the church's child sex abuse scandal"

Is the Pope blaming the larger society for the depravity of his priests?
Wouldn't that be a bit like blaming the victims?

803 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:46:18am

re: #801 paxnhymn

he wrote an encyclical in which he stated, "other Christian denominations are not true churches and are thus not a pathway to salvation"

devicise....very.


Imagine tha gall of him beleiveing his faith is THE faith,,,,, /sarc
devisive ,, yes ,,,anti-protestant ,,, nuh uh ,,, (now , if he stated that as a protestant you are damned to hellfire ,,, or as a protestant you are sub-human, much like the mullahs calling jews apes) then I would agree

804 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:47:49am

re: #796 tfc3rid

You are going to have to go back under Denver International and be retrained... And you MUST take the Obedience Oath again...

I promise to be for-gainst anything that Hillary is for-gainst!

805 Kirly  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:48:12am

re: #765 Peacekeeper

Are you going to bore him to death with 1980's cliches?
;)

i just might! :-}

806 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:49:46am

re: #802 sparrowlake

I actually listened to the pope deliver these remarks last night... He chided the bishops for the handling of the abuse. He is saddened by it. He also wanted to make it perfectly clear that it is not permissible and that those who commit these crimes must be dealt with...

The discussion of the US society's impact was from the perspective of bringing families and youth back to the Church. His fear was that the media, movies, video games do not provide an outlet for a morally positive society. Some priests were impacted by this, others were led this way by other things (read into it: homosexuality).

807 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:49:47am

re: #801 paxnhymn

he wrote an encyclical in which he stated, "other Christian denominations are not true churches and are thus not a pathway to salvation"

devicise....very.

out of curiosity, then, how do you stand that against comments some make against the catholic church?

If it is devisive one way, is it not devisive both ways?

808 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:50:36am

re: #803 sattv4u2

Imagine tha gall of him beleiveing his faith is THE faith,,,,, /sarc
devisive ,, yes ,,,anti-protestant ,,, nuh uh ,,, (now , if he stated that as a protestant you are damned to hellfire ,,, or as a protestant you are sub-human, much like the mullahs calling jews apes) then I would agree

Yet, the pope calls for dialogue and unity among the Christian Churches, as popoes have been calling for since the schism.

809 Grammy Cracker  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:51:25am

Lizards! Not even a flippin' computer crash can spoil this lovely day!

Hope you are all doing well today!

810 mijoter  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:52:44am

David Duke to Obama: Darn right we’re bitter
By Ami Eden on Apr 14, 2008
I believe White Americans are increasingly bitter for good reasons. They are indeed frustrated. But again, they have good reasons for that frustration.

Better-qualified White students, employees, working men and women face intensive racial discrimination that you and the other major candidates deceptively call "affirmative action."

Many White people can no longer use the public school system that their own taxes pay for because "people who aren’t like them" have made their schools awash in violence, educational mediocrity, drugs, sexual degeneracy and gangsta rap.
Millions of White people who have paid exorbitant taxes all their lives can’t afford medical insurance and decent medical care in no small part because "people who aren’t like them," such as illegal immigrants and able-bodied, welfare parasites, people who have paid no taxes at all, have overloaded the the system.

Millions of White people see that illegal immigrants, "people who aren’t like them," are illegally crossing the American border and they see clearly that politicians like you, Clinton and McCain won’t even enforce our laws.

They are bitter because unelected economic czars such as Greenspan and Bernanke, Wolfowitz and a whole coterie of Jewish "people who aren’t like them" have ripped them off and have let so-called "free trade" destroy the American economy.

811 mijoter  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:53:04am

They are bitter because other Jewish Neocon "people who are not like them," have led us into a catastrophic war for Israel in Iraq, a war that will cost the American people trillions of dollars and that has killed or ruined tens of thousands of American lives (While Jewish dead or wounded are spectacularly underrepresented in those terrible casualties).

White Americans are sick of the fact that their streets are so damned dangerous from "people who are not like them" that they appropriately "cling to guns."

Christian Americans are also sick of the fact that the Christian meanings of Christmas are being driven from public life, with crosses and nativity scenes banned from public land in our nation’s capital while at Chanukah a huge Jewish Menorah, symbol of Jewish ethnocentrism and Jewish resistance to assimilation, is put across from the White House and dedicated by the Jewish extremists of Habad Lubavitch, vicious anti-Gentiles who claim that Gentiles are little more than animals with "satanic souls." Of course, in response to the attack on the values, mores and faith of the American non-Jewish, White majority, that "they cling to their religion." They marvel how they see billions of dollars of their tax money support the "Jewish state" of Israel, but also see it is forbidden to even refer to America as a "Christian nation."

I realize why you made the comments at a heavily-Jewish, closed-door, no press allowed meeting. Their agenda is not the same as our agenda. The (Jewish) Council of Presidents, an alliance of the biggest and most powerful Jewish organizations in America has exactly the same sentiments as you enunciated in your speech. It is fanatically for open borders, free trade and of course, for gun control. You are their puppet.

You say that you are for the working people, the middle class American, but in reality your biggest single campaign contributor is the Jewish extremist, Goldman Sachs Corporation. Those at Goldman Sachs, are the same extremists that have led America to its economic and social catastrophe. They are the elite of the elite of American politics and media, the heart of the new 21st century American establishment. And, just like the elitist crowd you addressed in San Francisco, they are people not like the average White person in America, not in values, heritage, or interests. Your audience itself was truly "people who aren’t like them."

The American people need not explain their frustrations. They have legitimate frustrations, and legitimate anger at politics as usual in America.
But, you sir, are a hypocrite, one who says he represents change, but only offers more of the same relentless attack upon the White people of this country and the values and views of White people. Stop trying to pretend otherwise. You, Clinton, and McCain, should run for President of Israel, or Uganda, or Mexico. Not one of you should get a single White American’s vote. You and your other two comrades for President are controlled lock, stock and barrel by, as you say, "people who aren’t like them."

David Duke

812 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:53:53am

shocker of shockers.

Rapper lied about criminal record. Turns out, he's not a thug with a long criminal history.

What a sad state of affairs where one has to lie to look BAD.... heh.

813 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:55:07am

re: #812 LanceKates

shocker of shockers.

Rapper lied about criminal record. Turns out, he's not a thug with a long criminal history.

What a sad state of affairs where one has to lie to look BAD.... heh.

Well, now he's totally uncool...

814 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:55:35am

re: #813 tfc3rid

Well, now he's totally uncool...

Caught.... with his pants up.

815 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:57:31am

re: #812 LanceKates

shocker of shockers.

Rapper lied about criminal record. Turns out, he's not a thug with a long criminal history.

What a sad state of affairs where one has to lie to look BAD.... heh.

there are pictures of him entering a library wearing Dockers and a dress shirt, holding the door open for a little old lady and going to the counter asking " Could you please tell me where the collected works of Shakespeare are ?"

816 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:57:34am

re: #812 LanceKates

Least Fitty has the bullet wounds to his "cred."

817 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:58:46am

re: #815 sattv4u2

I hear that, once, he helped a little old lady across the street.... AND helped get a kitten out of a tree.

818 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 8:59:26am

re: #816 laZardo

Someone who bases their importance off of their thug past deserves no respect.

Someone who idolizes someone based on the existance of a thug past deserves no respect.

819 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:00:50am

re: #817 LanceKates

I hear that, once, he helped a little old lady across the street.... AND helped get a kitten out of a tree.

don't forget the time the ATM machine gave him an extra $100 and didn't debit it from his acount. He went right into the office and handed the $100 to the teller !

820 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:01:09am
821 laZardo  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:01:18am

re: #818 LanceKates

Someone who bases their importance off of their thug past deserves no respect.

Then what does that make the inventor of crunk?

/WHAT!

822 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:01:33am

re: #819 sattv4u2

don't forget the time the ATM machine gave him an extra $100 and didn't debit it from his acount. He went right into the office and handed the $100 to the teller !

I've done that, but it was only 20 dollars.

They look at you funny when you do it.

823 sparrowlake  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:01:37am

re: #806 tfc3rid

I actually listened to the pope deliver these remarks last night... He chided the bishops for the handling of the abuse. He is saddened by it. He also wanted to make it perfectly clear that it is not permissible and that those who commit these crimes must be dealt with...

The discussion of the US society's impact was from the perspective of bringing families and youth back to the Church. His fear was that the media, movies, video games do not provide an outlet for a morally positive society. Some priests were impacted by this, others were led this way by other things (read into it: homosexuality).

I have no doubt that some of the diddler priests sat around and watched kiddie porn on their computers. So what? Weren't these pedophiles for the most part good Catholic boys from good Catholic families who were called to enter the priesthood to serve the very society which allegedly corrupted them? Assuming that is correct, it is still IMO very questionable for the Pope to say that society fuelled the abuse when in fact it was the failure of the Church to monitor and weed out the bad apples.

824 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:02:22am

re: #820 LanceKates

World's oldest tree discovered in Sweden.

Quick! Tax it!

re: #820 LanceKates

World's oldest tree discovered in Sweden.

Quick! Tax it!

I call DIBS on it for this Christmas

825 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:03:57am

re: #824 sattv4u2

you can try.

There is some group in europe trying to get people to recognize the rights of plants to exist.

something about wanting to stop the 'needless decapitation of flowers'.....

tulips with civil rights..... everything has a right to life... except the unborn and the elderly, eh?

826 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:06:13am

re: #825 LanceKates

you can try.

There is some group in europe trying to get people to recognize the rights of plants to exist.

something about wanting to stop the 'needless decapitation of flowers'.....

tulips with civil rights..... everything has a right to life... except the unborn and the elderly, eh?

I'll personally deliver them a truckfull of my backyard weeds, carefully dug out so they can re-plant them

827 incanus  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:08:08am

re: #247 BabbaZee

She was not even a flower.
More like a lichen

An orchid. Living solely off other living beings.

828 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:08:11am

re: #826 sattv4u2

"Outlaw Weedkiller! Weeds have feelings too!"

Imagine the PR campaigns..... comparing lawns to slavery.... calls for people to stop being vegetarians...

we'll have 'neo-vegans' that only live on artifically created nutrient pills....

829 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:09:24am

comic books where it shows daddy with a lawnmower and a crazed look on his face, warning kids to keep their dads away from their chia-pet, because daddies a plant-killer!

830 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:11:25am

Carter meets Hamas in Eypt.
Did Egypt provide special agumentative security for Carter?

or are they hoping he gets killed so they can blame Israel?

831 sparrowlake  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:12:49am

re: #830 LanceKates

Carter meets Hamas in Eypt.
Did Egypt provide special agumentative security for Carter?

or are they hoping he gets killed so they can blame Israel?

LOL. Only the good die young.

832 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:19:41am

re: #831 sparrowlake

Carter reminds me of the Emperor from Star Wars.

See?

Some say they look alike too.

833 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:27:50am

Yukon OK high school reopened after lockdown.

Apparently someone left some sort of bottle wrapped in foil by a water meter.

When someone touched it, it burned them. School was in lockdown.

834 uptight  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:29:46am
835 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:29:46am

There's a reason why they're called Tree-huggers.

friggen watermelon-hippies.

836 paxnhymn  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:30:43am

re: #807 LanceKates

out of curiosity, then, how do you stand that against comments some make against the catholic church?

If it is devisive one way, is it not devisive both ways?


now, that depends; depends on if it's truth or not:

EX:Hagee (I like the guy) calling the RC the "whore of Babylon"...not good...not right!
Calling the RC down for shuffling pedophile priests to keep the heat off...verrry right!

837 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:32:47am

re: #836 paxnhymn

Ok. Just remember that when discussing the catholic church.

Theological differences over non-central ideas do not equate to neither catholics nor protestants going to hell.

838 paxnhymn  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:34:00am

re: #837 LanceKates

saying someone's faith system is "not a path to salvation" is a nice way of saying thye path they are taking will send them to hell. Don't kid yourself.

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839 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 17, 2008 9:34:59am