One can only hope the Israelis will respond with overwhelming force.
Crickets..................

Hey Jimmy - how do you like your friends now?
Jimmy?
Hello?
I reckon no one's home!

Hamas attacked Israel? I'm shocked!

Yes, Jimmah, clearly your meeting did so much to help!

/I'm forgetting his goal was to destroy Israel all along...

We need to sit down and have a frank discussion as to the root casues of Jimmy and his Friends' anger.

I'm sure this was just a misunderstanding... Hamas was only trying to extend holiday greetings to their neighbors.
/

GO ISRAEL! KICK HAMAS' ASSES Straight to HELL!

Big surprise. The eve of Pessah? A day like any other day for these animals. All with Jimmy's blessing.

I'm seeing some unusual indicators that something may soon be happening over in the Mid-East. I'm not sure fully what it all means but I think Syria and/or Hezbollah may be getting ready to do something big.

re: #2 realwest

His new friends? He met with Meshaal not once, but twice!

Must be Arab for "Chag Sameach"!

Where do they get the money to a car (bomb)?

Oh yeah, the UN launders US taxpayer dollars and gives it to the "Palestinians" so they can buy food. But, but...

re: #4 guitardalek

Meetings.... He's met with Hamas multiple times in the past several days, including twice with Meshaal. And each time, he provides juicy soundbites that Hamas and other terrorist groups will use not only against Israel, but against the US.

Wait for it. Because it will happen.

The Song of Moses upon them~

Then Moses and the Israelites sang this song to the LORD :
"I will sing to the LORD,
for he is highly exalted.
The horse and its rider
he has hurled into the sea.

The LORD is my strength and my song;
he has become my salvation.
He is my God, and I will praise him,
my father's God, and I will exalt him.

The LORD is a warrior;
the LORD is his name.

Pharaoh's chariots and his army
he has hurled into the sea.
The best of Pharaoh's officers
are drowned in the Sea of Reeds

The deep waters have covered them;
they sank to the depths like a stone.

Your right hand, O LORD,
was majestic in power.
Your right hand, O LORD,
shattered the enemy.

In the greatness of your majesty
you threw down those who opposed you.
You unleashed your burning anger;
it consumed them like stubble.

By the blast of your nostrils
the waters piled up.
The surging waters stood firm like a wall;
the deep waters congealed in the heart of the sea.

The enemy boasted,
'I will pursue, I will overtake them.
I will divide the spoils;
I will gorge myself on them.
I will draw my sword
and my hand will destroy them.'

But you blew with your breath,
and the sea covered them.
They sank like lead
in the mighty waters.

Who among the gods is like you, O LORD ?
Who is like you—
majestic in holiness,
awesome in glory,
working wonders?

You stretched out your right hand
and the earth swallowed them.

In your unfailing love you will lead
the people you have redeemed.
In your strength you will guide them
to your holy dwelling.

The nations will hear and tremble;
anguish will grip the people of Philistia.

The chiefs of Edom will be terrified,
the leaders of Moab will be seized with trembling,
the people of Canaan will melt away;

terror and dread will fall upon them.
By the power of your arm
they will be as still as a stone—
until your people pass by, O LORD,
until the people you bought pass by.

You will bring them in and plant them
on the mountain of your inheritance—
the place, O LORD, you made for your dwelling,
the sanctuary, O Lord, your hands established.

The LORD will reign
for ever and ever.

~ Exodus 15

........and Jimmah Cahtah will return home to a heroes welcome from the Left-Wing peace activists.......'cause destroying Israel will bring peace, right?

Curiouser and curiouser.

Did Jimmee Carter lead the attack?

If Obama wins, he will serve one term and LGF will be making posts 30 years from now about Obama meeting with our enemies. History does repeat itself...

The current speculation making the rounds on the Arab street is war with Israel in May or June. This could be the prelude, just like in '06

It's only a success in Carter's view if there are dead Jews.

re: #14 BabbaZee

Go Babba

So months of planning and that was the best they could do?
Israel, go, now, get it done, don't give them the chance to learn from their errors.
We support you.

How'd they get a Fatah armored car? Will we pay Fatah for the replacement?

re: #9 chicagodudewhotrades Hi there! Uh, what indicators, if you don't mind me asking?

It's a damned shame nobody in the US Justice Dept. has the balls to prosecute Dhimmny Carter under the Logan Act...

What's the logan act?

re: #10 lawhawk Well, that's twice that we know about. And they aren't his new friends, methinks he's been buddies with them for far longer than we know.

re: #22 MandyManners

How'd they get a Fatah armored car? Will we pay Fatah for the replacement?

Are peanut halal?

Did Carter meet with Hamas today after the attack?

re: #22 MandyManners

How'd they get a Fatah armored car? Will we pay Fatah for the replacement?

When Hamas overran Fatah's thugs in Gaza, they took all Fatah's weapons, equipment, and vehicles.

Either that, or they borrowed them on a semipermanent basis.

related to the subject, it has occurred to me that if the captured IDF soldiers were still alive, Hezbollah would have released one to Jimmy. The left in both Israel and USA would have said "See?, talking to these guys does work". Hezbollah didn't, which makes me think unfortunately that the soldiers are dead.

An effrrt we can all get behind:

U.S. Rep. Sue Myrick
Representing North Carolina’s Ninth District
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
April 16, 2008 Contact: Andy Polk
(202) 225-1976

Rep. Myrick Calls for Former President Jimmy Carter’s Passport to be Revoked

(Washington, D.C.) – Today, Rep. Sue Myrick (NC-9) called on Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to revoke former President Jimmy Carter’s passport. This is in response to the former President traveling to Syria to meet with Hamas, an organization officially designated by the United States as a Foreign Terrorist Organization.

“Former President Carter has acted in contradiction of international agreements to isolate Hamas. He has acted in defiance of both United States policy and international policy. His actions reward terrorists, lend support, and provide legitimacy to their belief that violence will eventually get them what they want,” said Rep. Myrick.

After Hamas won the 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections the Quartet (US, UN, EU and Russia) called on Hamas to renounce terror, recognize Israel and recognize the previous agreements between the Palestinian Authority and Israel as they seek an agreement to make peace. Hamas has categorically rejected these three conditions for more than two years.

Congress granted the Secretary of State the power to grant and verify passports. In 1981, the United States Supreme Court held in the case of Haig v. Agee that the Secretary of State has the implied power to revoke passports as well (453 U.S. 280).

re: #25 RedSoxNation

What's the logan act?

Logan Act.

Logan Act
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The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment of up to three years.

re: #32 MJ

That's "effort we can all get behind">

re: #27 BabbaZee

I paid for that shit.

re: #25 RedSoxNation

Logan Act

It was written because of Benedict Arnold types - like Dhimmi Carter.

That attack is almost pointless. Sheer stupidity. If that took months of planning, these people are idiots. Been watching that damn bee with their kids instead of having real jobs.

re: #18 Thanos Yeah, my friend, I agree with you with just one caveat: would Hamas be better served to first see who the Dem nominee is? I know Hillary is no friend of Israel, but compared to Obama she's like a real buddy to them.
But, since Hamas' has a loooong track record of being truly STUPID, I fear/hope you're right about May or June.

re: #36 MandyManners

ahyup

re: #31 chicagodudewhotrades

Hizbullah's continued grasp on Goldwasser and Regev for more than a year tells me that they've been dead for quite some time now. It is believed that both were seriously injured in the attack when they were captured by Hizbullah thugs in the event that precipitated the August war.

Now, we're watching Hamas attempting to recreate the very conditions of the August war by trying to capture Israeli soldiers.

Israel must reconsider its position on going after Hamas leaders, and targeting them throughout Gaza - including their so-called political leaders.

They're nothing but terrorists in suits.

re: #30 lawhawk

When Hamas overran Fatah's thugs in Gaza, they took all Fatah's weapons, equipment, and vehicles.

Either that, or they borrowed them on a semipermanent basis.

I would say that I hope we learned out lesson but, we didn't.

re: #31 chicagodudewhotrades

I think Hamas is as tone deaf as Dinner Jacket and other Muslim fanatics.

Wouldn't it be great if they captured Jimmah as an enemy combatant?

Emboldened.

I will add my scripture to BabbaZee's
Psalm 25

1 Unto thee, O LORD, do I lift up my soul.

2 O my God, I trust in thee: let me not be ashamed, let not mine enemies triumph over me.

3 Yea, let none that wait on thee be ashamed: let them be ashamed which transgress without cause.

4 Shew me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths.

5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day.

6 Remember, O LORD, thy tender mercies and thy lovingkindnesses; for they have been ever of old.

7 Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O LORD.

8 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.

9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.

10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.

11 For thy name's sake, O LORD, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.

12 What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.

13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.

14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

15 Mine eyes are ever toward the LORD; for he shall pluck my feet out of the net.

16 Turn thee unto me, and have mercy upon me; for I am desolate and afflicted.

17 The troubles of my heart are enlarged: O bring thou me out of my distresses.

18 Look upon mine affliction and my pain; and forgive all my sins.

19 Consider mine enemies; for they are many; and they hate me with cruel hatred.

20 O keep my soul, and deliver me: let me not be ashamed; for I put my trust in thee.

21 Let integrity and uprightness preserve me; for I wait on thee.

22 Redeem Israel, O God, out of all his troubles.

If I were an Israeli, I'd be more than a little pissed at the U.S.. We're arming their enemies.

They're nothing but terrorists in suits.

re: #40 BabbaZee
{Babba}
I left a little note for you on the last thread, BTW

re: #38 pat

It wasn't pointless - they were hoping to divert a small group of IDF soldiers' attention away from those who were hoping to infiltrate Israel to capture Israeli soldiers.

IDF training and alertness prevented that scenario - but if the Hamas thugs had more numbers could have succeeded.

re: #40 BabbaZee

ahyup

Babba,
You are truly amazing, you always have the appropriate song to define the moment.

re: #22 MandyManners

Hey Mandy! Um, what makes you think that Fatah didn't "lend it" to Hamas? I've felt that for quite a while now Fatah and Hamas have been playing "good cop/bad cop" with the MSM and the Western (read: European) nations.

re: #24 doriangrey

It's a damned shame nobody in the US Justice Dept. has the balls to prosecute Dhimmny Carter under the Logan Act...

Logan Act applies to people in office, he's thankfully out of office.

re: #41 lawhawk

They're nothing but terrorists in suits.

I think Jimmy Carter qualifies as part of the so-called "political wing" of Hamas.

'T would be nice if, in honor of the holy days, something passed over and thumped Hamas/ Hizballah and friends.
Can we count the armored car as an effort towards reducing the global carbon footprint?

re: #41 lawhawk

I agree. If the captured Israelis are alive, show the video.

I also believe that OBL is dead - for the same reason.

In defense of Carter, I think is important to note that 2 of the soldiers were hurt "moderately".

Ergo, Hamas is becoming more moderate as a result of Carter's visit.

Certainly meeting with terrorist produces Hope and Change!

/

re: #45 Carolyn

Redeem Israel, O God, out of all his troubles.

AMEN

re: #52 realwest

Hey Mandy! Um, what makes you think that Fatah didn't "lend it" to Hamas? I've felt that for quite a while now Fatah and Hamas have been playing "good cop/bad cop" with the MSM and the Western (read: European) nations.

Leased or stolen: we're also arming OUR enemies.

re: #53 savage_nation

The Knesset approved weapons transfers to Fatah for the PA preventative services. They're complicit in this as much as Condi and the Bush Administration.

Still, blame rests squarely on the terrorists in both Fatah and Hamas.

No. 33 and No. 34:

thank you...

re: #32 MJ YEA! Go Sue- she's my Congresswoman! And she repsonds to mail, too!
Go Sue, GO! Push for it PULEEZE!

re: #60 MandyManners

Leased or stolen: we're also arming OUR enemies.

This is the same as if we had armed the Sandinistas.

re: #54 Thanos

Logan Act applies to people in office, he's thankfully out of office.

No, it applies to any US citizen.

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

re: #51 VegasRick

[blush]
thanks, VR

re: #44 rawmuse

Wouldn't it be great if they captured Jimmah as an enemy combatant?

I'm curious now if they're going to let him speak at their convention this year. If so, this would be another example of opening the door and banging it into their faces again (homage to RL for that visual).

re: #68 BabbaZee

[blush]
thanks, VR

You did it again!

re: #54 Thanos

Not true -

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

So, Carter, as a private citizen, could be charged under the Logan Act, but it's the second part, without the authority of the US that becomes problematic. Has the Administration sent him out as an emissary? State deplored his contacts, but given the way the State Department works and the use of backchannel diplomacy, it is still possible that he got clearance to go - which is reprehensible in and of itself and doesn't lessen the stink surrounding Carter's repeated meetings with Hamas thugs whose organization is responsible for the deaths of dozens of Americans and who are intent on destroying a US ally and strategic partner in the Middle East.

re: #54 Thanos

Logan Act applies to people in office, he's thankfully out of office.

I don't think this is true. A review of the Wikipedia site shows a case brought against a Kentucky Farmer...

re: #62 savage_nation

Looks to me to apply to any US Citizen...

Yep, you are right - in practice it hasn't really been used, and was originally going to be used against someone in office.

re: #23 realwest

The USA Strategic Petroleum Reserve is nearly at 100% capacity. The US has been filling it the last few months. Gas prices are real high across the nation, this would be a good time to be releasing some of it into the national system to lower prices slightly instead of hoarding it.

The Syrians have been making some weird military deployments in Lebanon.

I think the US Navy's test of a anti-ballistic missile system, The SM-3 launch to take out the broken US recon sat, was a back door message to Iran/Syria about launching ballistic missiles into Israel.

Related to the above comment, a couple navy cruisers, with the same BMD capability, have been parked off the coast of Lebanon for a while, instead of being with the rest of their group farther west in the Med.

Israel just concluded a huge national military and government drill. This drill included the call up of reserves, something not done lightly since calling up reserves harms the economy.

A couple unrelated items, but when put all together shows some unusual things. But , I'm not sure where all this leads

re: #47 MandyManners

If I were an Israeli, I'd be more than a little pissed at the U.S.. We're arming their enemies.

Jews stuck between a rock and a hard place

remember the muslim mantra,

First, the Saturday People

As for you masters of Europe and your treachery; one day your sly anti-Semitism will come back to haunt you. Over the centuries, you have uprooted a thousand synagogues and replaced them with ten thousand mosques. Wait, now, and see what grows from the soil of Ishmael. Your churches are next.

For Sunday is coming, Sunday bloody Sunday.

Regrettably, the Christian world has not yet come to grips with the fact that Israel is on the front lines against a rapidly expanding wave of Radical Islamic Fundamentalism which, unfortunately is likely to soon engulf the world.

Every religion has its extreme element but, not all to the same degree and not all committed to violence. I address this article to that fringe element who advances their religion by building armies and attacking others through terrorism and full scale war. They insist that others adopt their religion at the point of a sword or gun.

Here again, I must define my terms as to who I am NOT talking about. I am NOT referring to those who live their lives within their religion oblivious to the outside world. Even those who honor animals as creatures whom they imbue with god-like characteristics - or ascetics who wish to dwell in caves, depriving themselves of all earthly comforts. I do not speak of those who spin prayer wheels or hymn mantras throughout their waking hours. I am not speaking of Muslims who develop callouses on their knees and forehead from bowing to Allah in prayer, demanding nothing of others. I am not including the millions of Christians who follow the Bible truly and defend the Jews and the Jewish nation.

re: #76 ploome hineni

I wish TPTB were listening.

re: #78 MandyManners

I wish TPTB were listening.

The Powers That Be.

President Carter does not care about the Jews. Remember, they are the opressors here. Not like in Saudi Arabi where the Muslims treat all non-Muslims as brothers, in Israel a Muslim can't walk the streets or get a job...wait...backwards thinking...

In Israel they support racial equality and religious tolerance, right? It's Saudi Arabia where an infidel cannot go certain places.

Either way, Carter wants to see Israel wiped off the map. No way of convincing me otherwise.

Jews have always been the canary in the coal mine

I wish Israel would arrest his ass for being a terrorist. Boy , then the entire left-o-sphere would really have something to complain about.
( oh..this isn't the complaint thread)

re: #79 MandyManners

The Powers That Be.

They never listen to good advice, only hear what they want to hear...

re: #83 doriangrey

They never listen to good advice, only hear what they want to hear...

Sounds like The Kid. But, he's amenable to learning!

re: #82 missouri boy

I wish Israel would arrest his ass for being a terrorist. Boy , then the entire left-o-sphere would really have something to complain about.
( oh..this isn't the complaint thread)

LOL!

re: #84 MandyManners

Sounds like The Kid. But, he's amenable to learning!

Yea, that's probably because he hasn't convinced himself that he is "A" god, unlike TPTB...

re: #62 savage_nation
Excellent post and quote. I think you're right, I think Jimmy CAN and SHOULD be prosecuted under the Logan Act.
Course, politics being politics, I don't suspect that's gonna happen anytime soon.

For Sunday is coming, Sunday bloody Sunday.

gotta go

re: #86 doriangrey

Yea, that's probably because he hasn't convinced himself that he is "A" god, unlike TPTB...

I swear there is a huge proportion of sociopaths in power.

brb Gotta' eat.

The attack began close to 7 a.m. when two vehicles arrived at the crossing under the cover of heavy foggy bottom, transnational appeasement of the Palestinian Arabs, and a tongue bath by the worst former president in U.S. history . . . .

There, fixed that for you!

I pray that the IDF soldiers have a full and speedy recovery.

I'm still trying to figure out where I picked up the silly notion that Logan act only applied to gov't officials. I must have read it somewhere.
Maybe because all recent speculation on it centered around the Pelosi visits etc.

OT
Did anyone feel the earthquake yesterday morning? Centered near the illinois and indiana boarder...shook mid missouri around 4:30 am

I have searched images of the Carter visit and found none with Roselyn's head covered.
How'd they swing that?
Special dispensation for top dhimmi?
Or no photos when scarf on head?

During the debate, Barack Obama once again refused to condemn former President Jimmy Carter- who publicly supports Obama- for holding talks with the Hamas terrorist group, a group supported financially, politically and military by Iran.

Barack Obama's foreign policy plans have even won him praise from Hamas leaders. Ahmed Yousef, chief political adviser to the Hamas Prime Minister said, "We like Mr. Obama and we hope he will win the election. He has a vision to change America."

We need change in America, but not the kind of change that wins kind words from Hamas, surrenders in Iraq and will hold unconditional talks with Iranian President Ahmadinejad.

(from a John McCain campaign ad)

re: #93 Thanos

Probably because so many politicians and former politicians of late have been freelancing in foreign policy despite the express law forbidding such actions.

Hamas Official says Jimmy Carter meeting proves to the world that Hamas is Legitimate

Reminiscent of the Hamas attack on Israel during Jesse Jackson's visit with Hamas...

seems to be the Hamas MO

re: #82 missouri boy

I wish Israel would arrest his ass for being a terrorist. Boy , then the entire left-o-sphere would really have something to complain about.
( oh..this isn't the complaint thread)

I'm sure they need his slimy, putrid, arrogant, dhimmified ass on Israeli soil for even one minute longer than absolutely necessary.

re: #2 realwest

Hey Jimmy - how do you like your friends now?
Jimmy?
Hello?
I reckon no one's home!

As long as an Israeli dies, I am sure he will love them even more.

*SPIT*

Who among the gods is like you, O LORD ?
Who is like you—
majestic in holiness,
awesome in glory,
working wonders?

You stretched out your right hand
and the earth swallowed them. ~ Exodus 15

to all of my Israeli friends & family...a Blessed & Holy Passover.
May The Peace that passes all understanding overcome the Earth. Amen

re: #94 missouri boy

I was still up at the time, i started wondering why my laptop was moving, then I wondered why I was moving, then I realized the entire home was moving. I didn;t like it too much, but there is that big fault line down in southern IL in New Madrid, BTW 'New Madrid" is called that because the last time the fault blew big, it took out 'old madrid".

Jimmy Carter's Friends Attack Israel.
Sun rises once again in East.

The attack began close to 7 a.m. when two vehicles arrived at the crossing under the cover of heavy fog and one of them detonated near army forces, flying peanuts wounding the 13 soldiers.

Hmmm.

re: #101 Leah

Well, it didn't take long - just as I predicted.

re: #75 chicagodudewhotrades Thanks, I agree with your supposition - didn't know about those two cruisers, though.

Just a word of warning for all out there...
My security just alerted me to a Keylogger...possibly the worst malware to have on your computer. I don't know what link it was associated with.

re: #83 doriangrey

re: #79 MandyManners

The Powers That Be.

They never listen to good advice, only hear what they want to hear...

Reality doesn't fit their agenda, so they insert their own "truth" in its place. Willfully blind, they are.

re: #17 RedSoxNation

How about we make sure he serves NO term!

With saudi money and chinese money flowing into most of our government higher-ups.....the Logan Act could close down the whole damn government....just saying

We are flying traitors to meet terrorists on US taxpayer dollar too often.

I love my country, but having a terrorist third branch of our government conducting its own foreign policy IS TOO MUCH!

I now can see why other countries have putsches & purges of their fifth columns and "opposition".

In the interest of cutting the deficit (and/or reducing our carbon footprint, if it makes you feel better), how about no more free travel to terrorists? Why can't our US Government Accounting Office halt these gas guzzlers' government junkets to Jihadists?

re: #109 savage_nation

This site has some old photos taken of the earthquake damage:
[Link: hsv.com...]

re: #114 missouri boy

With saudi money and chinese money flowing into most of our government higher-ups.....the Logan Act could close down the whole damn government....just saying

wellllllll....I'm ok with that too. how 'bout some real people in Washington for a change?! I think Shelby and a coupla others are the only keepers! You can count em on one hand...

BBIAW!

Just got backl here ,,, when I read the HEADLINE Jimmy Carter's Friends Attack Israel I got a mental image of Jimmah and a herd of rabbits rampaging thruogh a deli !

(I need better meds !)

re: #115 alegrias

We are flying traitors to meet terrorists on US taxpayer dollar too often.

I love my country, but having a terrorist third branch of our government conducting its own foreign policy IS TOO MUCH!

I now can see why other countries have putsches & purges of their fifth columns and "opposition".

In the interest of cutting the deficit (and/or reducing our carbon footprint, if it makes you feel better), how about no more free travel to terrorists? Why can't our US Government Accounting Office halt these gas guzzlers' government junkets to Jihadists?

Naw, the Syrians picked up the tab on the latest Carter jaunt between Damascus and the Magic Kingdom (see my spinoff)

re: #105 chicagodudewhotrades

Hi chicagodude.. Hows trading?

Someone asked me if I was interested in Earthquake insurance. I told them that I didn't know how to cause an earthquake...so I have fire insurance instead.