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Spencer: Why the Anti-Jihad Resistance is Not About Race

Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:11:55 am PDT

An excellent post from Robert Spencer on the need for the anti-jihad movement to reject the white nationalists and racialists trying to hitch a ride and gain legitimacy: Jihad Watch: Why the anti-jihad resistance is not about race.

People I respect have pointed out that European culture is being overwhelmed and transformed by out-of-control Muslim immigration, and there is nothing wrong with defending it from that. I agree. But while culture has a racial component, culture and race are not identical. To reduce culture to race on a continent that has seen six million sacrificed to the idolatry of race and blood is not, in my view, the right way to defend European culture — and there must be articulated a sane and moral alternative that is clearly distinct from that and rejects it utterly. Geert Wilders in the Netherlands has managed to mount a strong stance against Islamization while avoiding dalliance with racial groups. While I am not a European and am conscious that Europeans will probably charge me with naivete and ignorance (the last time I posted this I inspired not one, but two websites charging me with being a secret jihadist, so this time I’ll probably be Satan himself), I still don’t see why it can’t be done elsewhere. Such dalliances inevitably raise the specter of neo-Nazism and white supremacism, and allow the mainstream parties to pretend that Europe faces a choice between becoming Eurabia and reviving the gas chamber. There are other ways, there have to be other ways, to deal with this.

The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people against the ways in which those human rights are contravened under Sharia, and avoid being diverted into side issues and non-issues, or formulating the problem incorrectly.

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1 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:14:05am

The anti-jihad needs to be about protecting those freedoms we hold so near and dear. Vlaams Belang and company can find the door and take off.

2 Irene NYC  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:14:10am

Well, let's just make it a general rule: all decent people should "reject the white nationalists and racialists trying to hitch a ride" on any movement.

3 Maine's Michael  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:16:51am

Racism will set back the anti-Islamist agenda.

We need everybody on board, especially ex-muslims, gays, and lesbians.

THAT is when you will know there is a critical mass, because the gay community sets the cutting edge trend for the younger left of center mainstream.

4 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:16:59am

I could care less about race. I worry about anyone who wants to kill and enslave.....

5 Thanos  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:18:50am

Well said again Mr. Spencer.

6 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:19:16am
The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people against the ways in which those human rights are contravened under Sharia, and avoid being diverted into side issues and non-issues, or formulating the problem incorrectly.


Well said. Unfortunately it will fall on many deaf ears, at GoV, Atlas and Brussels Journal.

7 itellu3times  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:21:52am
The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people against the ways in which those human rights are contravened under Sharia, ...

Yes.

8 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:22:00am
To reduce culture to race on a continent that has seen six million sacrificed to the idolatry of race and blood is not, in my view, the right way to defend European culture — and there must be articulated a sane and moral alternative that is clearly distinct from that and rejects it utterly.



Spencer Akbar!

9 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:22:38am

I think this guy might be a secret jihadist or even Staten Island himself

10 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:22:57am
11 akforty777  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:23:25am

The left will already twist our anti-jihad efforts into racism... aligning themselves farther with groups like CAIR. Its an extremely fine line but I always say we just have to keep up our good work because there are still plenty of sane Americans out there. I visit sites like LGF daily for a little reminder of what I need to continue to do.

12 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:23:33am

re: #8 BabbaZee

Tell it!

13 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:24:07am

I do hope Mr. Spencer continues to limit his association with bloggers who support these groups and to not speak at events these groups and their supporters are attending.

14 Orbit Rain  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:25:22am

...how about *not* an "anti-Jihad" movement, but a "Pro-Freedom" movement?

15 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:25:25am

TNMWP.

16 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:25:42am

re: #15 MandyManners

TNMWP.

Or, TIWP.

17 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:26:14am

Atlas must miss us.

18 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:26:39am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I do hope Mr. Spencer continues to limit his association with bloggers who support these groups and to not speak at events these groups and their supporters are attending.


There is nobody more out of place than an atheist at the Holy War.

20 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:27:44am

re: #17 Ben Hur

What can we gain by further whipping her? It's a shame.

21 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:28:30am

re: #19 BabbaZee

What did the toad say to the hungry frog?

I gotta fly!

22 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:28:37am

re: #18 Peacekeeper

There is nobody more out of place than an atheist at the Holy War.


Heh. We all have our crosses the bare.

23 latitude51  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:28:41am

re: #17 Ben Hur

I don't miss her though.

24 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:29:06am

re: #20 Peacekeeper

What can we gain by further whipping her? It's a shame.

Nothing. I can't bear to go to her site though...

25 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:29:14am

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Heh. We all have our crosses the bare.


Keep it in yer pants Spartacus.

26 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:29:25am
The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people

Spencer is 100% correct.

This actually connects to the thread last night. Just as the anti-jihad movement in Europe needs to stay above associations that will drag it down, the "neo-con/anti-idiotarian/etc." movement in the US needs to distance itself from paleo-cons and other old-fashioned believers for it to become a viable alternative to moonbattery.

No one has yet articulated a political position along these lines, however. Unfortiunately.

27 soccerdad  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:30:42am

Bravo for Spencer, VDH, Hugh hewitt, et al. for opposing Islam as a political option - I love their writings, etc.

But Coptic Priest Zacharia Botros is the guy who seems to be doing more than all of them combined, because he is offering an alternative to Islam. He is taking the fight to them, in their language, on their airwaves....pray for him. Great story about him from Private Papers:
Link:
[Link: www.victorhanson.com...]

28 wolfie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:30:48am

Islamists play the culture, religion, and race cards to bamboozle the multi-cultural Left, depending on the situation. The race card is utterly bogus and needs to be taken out of their arsenal.
And that means we do NOT want it in ours. Outside of being wrong, both morally and intellectually, it is a self-defeating strategy.

29 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:30:49am
The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people against the ways in which those human rights are contravened under Sharia

The vision has been articulated in the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, the Ten Commandments and Jesus' Sermon on the Mount. Idiots of the world aren't digging it.

30 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:31:27am

re: #3 Maine's Michael

Racism will set back the anti-Islamist agenda.

We need everybody on board, especially ex-muslims, gays, and lesbians.

THAT is when you will know there is a critical mass, because the gay community sets the cutting edge trend for the younger left of center mainstream.

Very true.

I think there is good news on the gay political front: i even saw a radical left-wing gay event advertised in SF -- that was anti-sharia!

i should have gone to document it. But sadly i was busy that day.

31 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:31:33am

re: #26 zombie

Are you alluding to how (for example) Patrick Buchanan has descended into brown shirt patriotism?

32 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:31:41am

re: #26 zombie

Spencer is 100% correct.

This actually connects to the thread last night. Just as the anti-jihad movement in Europe needs to stay above associations that will drag it down, the "neo-con/anti-idiotarian/etc." movement in the US needs to distance itself from paleo-cons and other old-fashioned believers for it to become a viable alternative to moonbattery.

No one has yet articulated a political position along these lines, however. Unfortiunately.

Ya know, I would like a good definition of the differences between Neo and Paleo cons. I am conservative, always have been, always will be. I don't really know where I fall though.

33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:31:56am

Anyone who thinks the fight against Islamization can be boiled down to race is on the wrong side of the fight.

34 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:32:47am

re: #27 soccerdad


But Coptic Priest Zacharia Botros is the guy who seems to be doing more than all of them combined, because he is offering an alternative to Islam. He is taking the fight to them, in their language, on their airwaves....pray for him. Great story about him from Private Papers:
Link:
[Link: www.victorhanson.com...]

Yes, Botros is great. A true hero.

I hope he converts every single Muslim to Christianity. He seems to be off to a good start!

35 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:33:10am
36 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:33:26am

I wonder if she will follow suit.

BBL

37 soccerdad  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:35:37am

re: #9 Peacekeeper

I think this guy might be a secret jihadist or even Staten Island himself

Did you miss the /sarc tag or are you serious? Spencer is one of the KINGs of anti-Jihad thought and writing.

38 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:36:54am

re: #32 coquimbojoe

Ya know, I would like a good definition of the differences between Neo and Paleo cons. I am conservative, always have been, always will be. I don't really know where I fall though.


Wiki paleoconservative. You'll see the difference. Among other things, there is a certain Ron Paul style of isolationism to the paleos.

39 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:37:39am

re: #31 Peacekeeper

Are you alluding to how (for example) Patrick Buchanan has descended into brown shirt patriotism?

Yes, partly. Also referring to the Creationist camp, which bring so much baggage with them that they scare off many people who otherwise would like to "join our side."

Creationists can be creationists if they want to be. Fine. And moonbats will always be moonbats. What I'm talking about those people who currently vote Democratic as a knee-jerk response, but have doubts, and would secretly like to make the switch to LGF-style politics, but don't want to be on the same team of either the Buchananites or the creationists.

We should craft a safe and palatable landing pad for them. A stepping stone to sanity.

40 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:38:25am

There is a certain strain of alleged conservatism that claims all our problems can be solved terrorism, oil, by abandoning Israel.
They get to kill Jews, we get cheap oil. Everybody wins.

/feh.

41 Roger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:38:40am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

not speak at events these groups and their supporters are attending.

I think he should speak at such events. Let them sit in silence; maybe absorb some truth; take it home and discuss it around the dinner table. And come to a realization. Find a path to understanding.

42 m  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:39:05am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

He was hanging with Atlas just a week ago.

(it was posted a week ago, not sure when it took place)

43 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:39:42am

re: #37 soccerdad

yep you missed it.

(the last time I posted this I inspired not one, but two websites charging me with being a secret jihadist, so this time I’ll probably be Satan himself),

44 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:39:51am
45 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:44:01am

re: #39 zombie

You might be on to something. I noticed this on the referrers list about out Stein thread.


Surprising for some people are the harsh criticisms from what would otherwise be considered conservative circles. For instance, Charles Johnson, curator of Little Green Footballs, one of the more important blogs on the Internet, linked to the NCSE website against Expelled. The 2,000 plus comments (as of this writing) mainly by people who are angry with Stein for his documentary, only tells me that a) conservatism as a movement is not necessarily friendly with Bible-believing evangelicals like myself, merely just tolerating them for the sake of some faked "unity" when they need to use them, b) again shows the significance of the evolution/creation presuppositions of a person's fundamental worldview, and c) shows the willingness by even conservatives to compromise their views of free inquiry, and this from a large group of folks who grouse against radical liberals suppression of thought at universities and Islamic intolerance in Europe.

Check his side bar for his other posts. He seems obsessed with gay bashing. Is this someone who supports human rights?

46 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:44:03am

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?

47 m  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:45:09am

Hey [[[[[Savage]]]]]! What's hap'enin!

48 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:45:23am

re: #42 m

That's a bummer.

49 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:45:36am

re: #46 MandyManners

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?

Notice that my post is not in response to Kilgore's which was a few seconds before mine.

50 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:45:54am

*sigh*

Talking to myself.

51 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:46:25am

re: #50 MandyManners

*sigh*

Talking to myself.


Naw..I hear ya

52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:46:48am

re: #46 MandyManners

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?

Just so long as we all agree on the Flying Spaghetti Monster, we can get along fine

53 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:47:01am
54 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:47:29am

re: #46 MandyManners

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?


See #26.

55 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:47:30am

re: #41 Roger

I think it's harmful to associate with them and speak at their events. They aren't going to learn anything and it gives racist groups a path to legitimacy while damaging the credibility of the anti-Jihad movement.

56 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:47:41am

re: #46 MandyManners

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?

That just won't happen as long as we have a choice.

57 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:47:49am

Let's be real.

We're fighting against those who would kill us for not being them.

We share a common enemy with those who would want to kill an arab or a muslim simply for existing (which is the same perverted mindset that the jihadis use)

They're going to come to our rally cry, for their own perverted reasons, no matter how we distance ourselves from them.

We ought to expect it and be able to publically seperate ourselves from them....

But, it should never be a suprise when they show up.

OUR cause is good and, dare I say, Holy. Their cause is evil.

Evil has never had a problem with trying to pervert Good.

That is how evil operates...

It truly is the Dark Side of the Force.

58 TalkinKamel  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:48:01am

#50 MandyManners

Nope, I'm here.

*sigh* yeah, it's beginning to look like we'd all better be in lock-step. Or else.

59 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:48:21am

re: #51 storagemanager

Naw..I hear ya

One would think I've been here long enough to know how to post.

60 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:48:58am

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just so long as we all agree on the Flying Spaghetti Monster, we can get along fine

Pastafarianism!

61 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:49:04am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

You might be on to something. I noticed this on the referrers list about out Stein thread.


Check his side bar for his other posts. He seems obsessed with gay bashing. Is this someone who supports human rights?

Ick. I see stuff about "inerrancy" on his sidebar. (Of the Bible that is.)

That is exactly the kind of person that will scare away wavering middle-of-the-roaders.

62 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:49:14am

re: #46 MandyManners

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?

* * *

I much prefer we discuss what we agree our country was founded on & what is at stake if our country is handed over to totalitarians who don't respect individuals' right to worship & free speech.

Our Western Civilization which defends freedom of worship is at stake!

63 m  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:49:29am

re: #53 savage_nation

I think:

neonatal occupational therapy

?

Can't babies be babies first?! Before you kick them in the ass and put 'em to work?!

/ ;-)

64 TalkinKamel  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:49:51am

#54 EC Marm

Uh-huh. We're all gonna have to march in lock-step, alright.

65 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:50:00am

re: #54 EC Marm

See #26.

Not gonna' go there. But, wait. Did I already do that?

66 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:50:18am

re: #56 debutaunt

That just won't happen as long as we have a choice.

Agreed.

67 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:50:54am

re: #58 TalkinKamel

#50 MandyManners

Nope, I'm here.

*sigh* yeah, it's beginning to look like we'd all better be in lock-step. Or else.

I don't buy that. Not at all.

68 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:50:57am
69 Roger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:51:12am

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Their events yea. But one they attend and he says what is written in this link? People need to have information placed into their ears and they need to read and get it over some time.

70 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:51:13am

re: #60 MandyManners

Pastafarianism!

Just as the Norse gods were all destined to die.... so will the spaghetti monster.... for I am italian and like spaghetti.

71 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:51:30am

re: #62 alegrias

* * *

I much prefer we discuss what we agree our country was founded on & what is at stake if our country is handed over to totalitarians who don't respect individuals' right to worship & free speech.

Our Western Civilization which defends freedom of worship is at stake!

I'm with you.

72 soccerdad  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:51:41am

re: #43 Peacekeeper

yep you missed it.

No...I read that part and figured you were kidding. Just the way your post looked, made me want to make sure...Thanks.

73 mean Gene  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:52:04am

Gosh.
Does this ever need to be screamed from the rooftops!

Now, who all should I send it to?
(Everyone)

74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:52:28am

re: #70 LanceKates

Just as the Norse gods were all destined to die.... so will the spaghetti monster.... for I am italian and like spaghetti.

I believe that is the oddest post I have ever seen. Congratulations.

75 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:52:48am

re: #69 Roger

I think maybe he needs to make his antiracist opinions part of his of his regular speeches.

76 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:53:00am

re: #64 TalkinKamel

#54 EC Marm

Uh-huh. We're all gonna have to march in lock-step, alright.


Is a purge on the way? No room in this tent for people of faith, is the way I'm reading that.

77 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:53:04am

OT: Bank of America Net Income falls 77% on 6 Billion in bad debt.

I wonder how much of that was from their credit cards for illegals.

78 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:53:42am

re: #74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I believe that is the oddest post I have ever seen. Congratulations.

Thank you.... thank you... I'm here all week. Try the veal...

79 Roger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:54:16am

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Yep! I suspect he knows it too.

80 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:54:17am

re: #76 EC Marm

Is a purge on the way? No room in this tent for people of faith, is the way I'm reading that.


Just hide your Bible...it will be ok.

81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:54:38am

re: #78 LanceKates

Thank you.... thank you... I'm here all week. Try the veal...

No thanks. Gonna have the Baby Seal Club Sandwich.

82 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:55:02am

re: #76 EC Marm

I find that very unlikely.

83 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:55:33am
84 sparrowlake  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:55:59am

re: #26 zombie

Spencer is 100% correct.

This actually connects to the thread last night. Just as the anti-jihad movement in Europe needs to stay above associations that will drag it down, the "neo-con/anti-idiotarian/etc." movement in the US needs to distance itself from paleo-cons and other old-fashioned believers for it to become a viable alternative to moonbattery.

No one has yet articulated a political position along these lines, however. Unfortiunately.

Surely you are not suggesting that fanaticism, whether religious or political, is a much greater danger to our freedoms than small-L liberalism or small-C conservatism./

85 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:56:03am

re: #80 storagemanager

Just hide your Bible...it will be ok.


But I'm from Pencilvainya. I cling to my faith, and my guns, and my antipathy, I tells ya!

86 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:56:04am

re: #26 zombie

Spencer is 100% correct.

This actually connects to the thread last night. Just as the anti-jihad movement in Europe needs to stay above associations that will drag it down, the "neo-con/anti-idiotarian/etc." movement in the US needs to distance itself from paleo-cons and other old-fashioned believers for it to become a viable alternative to moonbattery.

No one has yet articulated a political position along these lines, however. Unfortiunately.

Those stupid.... christians....

?

I'm kind of tired of seeing alot of anti-christian sentiment, then people pulling the victim card when we knuckle-dragging christians speak up.

87 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:56:39am

re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No thanks. Gonna have the Baby Seal Club Sandwich.

That's the clubbed baby seal club sandwhich.

88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:57:03am

re: #87 LanceKates

That's the clubbed baby seal club sandwhich.

Too redundant.

89 scaramouche  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:57:04am

I prefer to think of it as "anti-sharia resistance" since "jihad"--that is, violence and terrorism--is but a small part of the overall strategy to put Islamic law in the driver's seat.

I've come to realize that it's not a "war on terrorism" or a "clash of civilizations." It's a fight to the finish between two competing, antithetial systems of law--God-law, or law based on revelation vs. man-made law, the law based on reason, the law of the West.

90 Neo Con since 9-11  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:57:17am

re: #70 LanceKates

Just as the Norse gods were all destined to die.... so will the spaghetti monster.... for I am italian and like spaghetti.

We may not agree on whether the spaghetti monster evolved or was created by an intelligent designer, but we can all agree it must be consumed.

91 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:57:47am

re: #88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Too redundant.

Report me to the Redundancy Department for Reported Redundancy Reports.

92 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:57:53am
93 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:58:02am

We are in a religious war..many refuse to see it..oh well.

94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:58:35am

re: #87 LanceKates

By the way Lance, went upthread a little and saw the Spaghetti Monster quote earlier, which makes your post make sense. Which removes it from the oddest quote I ever say category. Very odd; but I've seen odder.

95 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:58:53am

re: #90 Neo Con since 9/11

We may not agree on whether the spaghetti monster evolved or was created by an intelligent designer, but we can all agree it must be consumed.

Pastafarians are a mellow people and do eat well.

96 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:59:06am

re: #67 MandyManners

I don't buy that. Not at all.

Me either Mandy. "Marching in lock step" sounds just exactly like "Submit or Die!" to me. No choices there.

97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:59:20am

re: #92 savage_nation

Lance, I didnt know your a paisan like me. :)

A good old Italiano here as well

98 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:59:58am

re: #92 savage_nation

Lance, I didnt know your a paisan like me. :)

Heh.. as long as you call us paisans and not WOPs, we're just fine... lol.

I'm Italian, German and Native American.

Get off my land or I'll invade you with my supply of meatballs.

lol.

99 Thanos  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:00:12pm

He's getting somewhat besieged by the usual culprits in comments, I'm tied up this afternoon on calls at work or I would go play. :(

100 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:00:19pm

re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way Lance, went upthread a little and saw the Spaghetti Monster quote earlier, which makes your post make sense. Which removes it from the oddest quote I ever say category. Very odd; but I've seen odder.

snubbed again.

I blame congress.

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:00:30pm

re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Which removes it from the oddest quote I ever saw category.

PIMF...Sorry Lance. Sure you are crushed.

102 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:00:37pm

re: #77 LanceKates

OT: Bank of America Net Income falls 77% on 6 Billion in bad debt.

I wonder how much of that was from their credit cards for illegals.

It's most probably sub-prime mortgage loans that were defaulted. (Many of which were indeed granted to illegals, actually.)

103 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:00:40pm
104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:00:58pm

re: #98 LanceKates

Heh.. as long as you call us paisans and not WOPs, we're just fine... lol.

I'm Italian, German and Native American.

Get off my land or I'll invade you with my supply of meatballs.

lol.

WHAT THE HELL? Are we related?

105 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:01:15pm

re: #76 EC Marm

Is a purge on the way? No room in this tent for people of faith, is the way I'm reading that.

No, there is plenty of room. There are also plenty of people of faith who are on each side as well.

Anyway, I sincerely doubt Charles has a purge coming.

106 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:01:30pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WHAT THE HELL? Are we related?

Could be. Do you have a peg leg and say "ARRRR" all the time?

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:01:49pm

re: #102 zombie

It's most probably sub-prime mortgage loans that were defaulted. (Many of which were indeed granted to illegals, actually.)

Lie...Bad Credit, No Problem!

Truth...Bad credit, big problem

108 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:02:19pm
109 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:02:54pm

re: #105 Honorary Yooper

No, there is plenty of room. There are also plenty of people of faith who are on each side as well.

Anyway, I sincerely doubt Charles has a purge coming.

A purge at LGF - what a ridiculous concept.

110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:02:59pm

re: #108 savage_nation

Hey, I'm Italian, Sicilian, German, Dutch, English, Welsh and a bit of eeevil French. So get off MY land or its a plate of pasta fazoli for you....

I am Welsh, Irish, British and Scottish...Bangers and Mash for everyone!

111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:03:09pm

re: #106 LanceKates

Could be. Do you have a peg leg and say "ARRRR" all the time?

No, but my brother is the mastermind behind this.

112 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:03:21pm

Spains' anti-jihad resistance took 800 years because the country was divided against itself, and as Abraham Lincoln said, a house divided against itself cannot stand. We HAVE to do better!

800 years it took to remove the illegal okkupayshun by islamists from Iberia!

Multicultural Spain had to unify its Celtic, Iberian, Catalonian, Portuguesey, Phoenician, Barbarian, Andalusian, Valencian, Balearic, Asturian, Basque people--all with different languages--to beat back okkupying islamists with their 800 year old mosques in every village.

It helped Spain had Charlton Heston on horseback to lead the attacks. (Obscure "El Cid" reference)

We can do better, and we don't have 800 years to do it.

113 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:03:41pm

re: #108 savage_nation

Hey, I'm Italian, Sicilian, German, Dutch, English, Welsh and a bit of eeevil French. So get off MY land or its a plate of pasta fazoli for you....

Yeah, but you're part French. Doesn't that mean you have to wave a white flag when I give you a mean look?

*grin*

I love bashing the French, but truth be told, there are some very good french men and women who support us.

114 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:03:59pm
115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:03:59pm

Each thread should be a clean slate. Leave any bad taste thread bitterness in the old thread.

116 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:04:00pm

re: #110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am Welsh, Irish, British and Scottish...Bangers and Mash for everyone!

Not those 'veggie-bangers' !

117 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:04:20pm

re: #109 debutaunt

A purge at LGF - what a ridiculous concept.

The closest Charles has ever come to a "purge" is when a group of commentors decided to attack him. I believe it was called "The Friday Night Massacre". They still are pissed about it AtS*.

*Across the Street

118 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:04:27pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, but my brother is the mastermind behind this.

Heh. Now that's funny.

I don't act like a pirate either.

Until they outlaw guns. Then I'll be quite the pirate.

119 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:04:42pm

re: #96 galloping granny

Me either Mandy. "Marching in lock step" sounds just exactly like "Submit or Die!" to me. No choices there.

The need to march in lockstep only leads to purges. I am glad we disagree on many things. I personally learn from it. I totally respect Zombie, Killgore, Thanos and the rests' opinions on the creation. They bring a lot of great commentary to it. I would be, in my mind, dishonest if I didn't consider them carefully. When it comes to a big belief (and small ones) like creationism, all angles must be looked at. I personally am amazingly wishy washy on it, but I do emphatically believe in a God and his over all creation on the universe.

I am happy to associate with non-believers, they do not need to embrace all of my ideas for me to embrace many of theirs.

120 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:05:25pm

I just posted a story of a 12 year old girl beaten to death by her father...please read it...this stuff needs to get out more.

121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:05:34pm

re: #116 debutaunt

Yeah, as soon as I hit post said, "poop!"

122 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:05:41pm

re: #87 LanceKates

That's the clubbed baby seal club sandwhich.


* * *
Brigitte Bardot objects strongly to this, and she's a counter-jihadist who's gone to jail for her beliefs.

123 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:06:01pm

re: #110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am Welsh, Irish, British and Scottish...Bangers and Mash for everyone!

Lutefisk anyone? That crap will drive you away for sure.

124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:06:09pm

I'm Italian-Scottish out of Connecticut on one side and German-Native American out of Texas on the other who was born and raised in CA and married a Japanese woman. I'm a mutt. Of course, I am white so I'm obviously a racist bastard.

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:06:23pm

re: #122 alegrias

* * *
Brigitte Bardot objects strongly to this, and she's a counter-jihadist who's gone to jail for her beliefs.

Loves me some Bardot.

126 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:06:32pm

re: #122 alegrias

* * *
Brigitte Bardot objects strongly to this, and she's a counter-jihadist who's gone to jail for her beliefs.

point?

127 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:06:33pm

re: #117 Honorary Yooper

The closest Charles has ever come to a "purge" is when a group of commentors decided to attack him. I believe it was called "The Friday Night Massacre". They still are pissed about it AtS*.

*Across the Street

Cleaning garbage out is a far cry from a scary ol' purge.

128 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:06:34pm

re: #98 LanceKates

Heh.. as long as you call us paisans and not WOPs, we're just fine... lol.

I'm Italian, German and Native American.

Get off my land or I'll invade you with my supply of meatballs.

lol.

Do you mean you were born here in the US, like all of the other native Americans, LanceKate?

Let me quote a rather famous American Indian to you. His name is Carlos Nikai & he is a rather famous musician. At a concert at Dartmouth, about 3 years ago -

"All of us here in this room who were born in America, we're all native Americans. I am a native American. I am also proud to be an American Indian of the Navajo tribe."

/We have to let them keep Manhattan. They did pay for that.

129 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:06:42pm
130 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:13pm

re: #129 savage_nation

Only 1/16th.

So, its a small white flag?

131 J.S.  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:15pm

If anyone needs yet another reminder that the battle against Jihadists and their ideology is NOT about "race" -- then just look to Jimmy Carter. Now there's the ultimate pro-Hamas, pro-Jihadist sympathizer, who also happens to be white...and G-d only knows what "culture" the filthy antisemite embraces...There are articles from Commentary magazine about how Jimmy, the antisemite, wrote the talking points for Arafat -- that was Jimmah's love interest, no doubt -- to explain to Arafat how better "to sell" Arafat's terrorist, antisemitic, murderer's "sentiments" and make them "acceptable" for Western ears and leaders of governments. Apparently, Jimmah the peanut farmer is continuing along the same path -- only this time writing the speeches and talking points (to make a murderous agenda more acceptable to the Europeans, KKKers, UN, etc.) for HAMAS.

132 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:25pm
133 TalkinKamel  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:43pm

#76 EC Marm

Hey, I'm probably wrong about that! (Wouldn't be the first time.) MandyManners, Post #67, probably has the right of it.

134 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:48pm
135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:51pm

re: #120 storagemanager

I just posted a story of a 12 year old girl beaten to death by her father...please read it...this stuff needs to get out more.

Gonna make me sad/mad, but, where?

136 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:52pm

re: #120 storagemanager

I just posted a story of a 12 year old girl beaten to death by her father...please read it...this stuff needs to get out more.

It's a shame, but this stuff seems to go on on a daily basis in the Middle East and places just east of there. It's a lack of respect for human life that leads to things like honor killings.

I do wish our media would report on it. Might piss off enough people about it.

/sigh

137 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:53pm

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm Italian-Scottish out of Connecticut on one side and German-Native American out of Texas on the other who was born and raised in CA and married a Japanese woman. I'm a mutt. Of course, I am white so I'm obviously a racist bastard.

only a racist white person would make note of their race.

unless you're Obama who transcends race.

Point of confusion, however.... Obama is half arab and half white. Why is it that he's accepted in the black liberation theology circles?

138 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:58pm

re: #39 zombie

Yep, them there folks wouldn't want to be even seen with them there Gun-totin, Bible thumpin, hard-working, strong willed people who believe in something that no one can ever disprove.
And man are we bitter ...

[Link: farm2.static.flickr.com...]

139 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:08:14pm

re: #113 LanceKates

Yeah, but you're part French. Doesn't that mean you have to wave a white flag when I give you a mean look?

*grin*

I love bashing the French, but truth be told, there are some very good french men and women who support us.

The warlike French all came here and brought that stinking tomahawk with them.

140 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:09:21pm

re: #136 Honorary Yooper
spin-off..Islam

141 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:09:48pm

re: #128 galloping granny

That too!

heh. I love to point that out to people who like to use hyphenated titles. "I'm Africian-American"

No, you're Native American, unless you were born in Africa.

I get called racist alot, actually.
*ponders*

But I am of the Otoe-Missouri tribe. Just not enough blood to make their rolls.

142 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:10:02pm

re: #123 coquimbojoe

Lutefisk anyone? That crap will drive you away for sure.

* * *
It's not "driving away" lamb-slaughtering islamists from Minnesota who think dogs unclean, so lutefisk can't be that bad.

143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:10:13pm

re: #137 LanceKates

only a racist white person would make note of their race.

unless you're Obama who transcends race.

Point of confusion, however.... Obama is half arab and half white. Why is it that he's accepted in the black liberation theology circles?

Because Whitey was keeping him down, making his dad ditch his mom while his Grand Parents raised him and oppressed him so much he could go to college and go globe trotting. Oh, the oppression!

144 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:10:16pm

re: #129 savage_nation

Only 1/16th.

does that mean it is a napkin rather than a flag?

(I'm kidding... you're a good one. How's the daughter?)

145 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:10:27pm

re: #141 LanceKates

That too!

heh. I love to point that out to people who like to use hyphenated titles. "I'm Africian-American"

No, you're Native American, unless you were born in Africa.

I get called racist alot, actually.
*ponders*

But I am of the Otoe-Missouri tribe. Just not enough blood to make their rolls.

What about some of that sweet casino windfall money?

146 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:10:45pm

re: #122 alegrias


Brigitte Bardot objects strongly to this, and she's a counter-jihadist who's gone to jail for her beliefs.


That brings up the topic at hand. Ever wonder why we haven't had a Brigitte Bardot thread here? Many "right wing" site haven't covered it. It's because she's married to a Le Penn supporter and is most likely involved in racist European politics. It's poison for us to associate with her.

147 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:11:23pm

re: #142 alegrias

* * *
It's not "driving away" lamb-slaughtering islamists from Minnesota who think dogs unclean, so lutefisk can't be that bad.

My liberal cousins up there are wrongly serving abelskeevers.....

148 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:11:35pm

re: #138 Widow'smight

Yep, them there folks wouldn't want to be even seen with them there Gun-totin, Bible thumpin, hard-working, strong willed people who believe in something that no one can ever disprove.
And man are we bitter ...

[Link: farm2.static.flickr.com...]

Nice.

149 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:12:01pm

re: #139 galloping granny

The warlike French all came here and brought that stinking tomahawk with them.

bring it on... give them tomahawks, give me my pistols!

FREEEDDOOOMMM!

150 TalkinKamel  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:12:13pm

Great article by Spencer, by the way! He's always been one of my favorite writers.

151 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:12:42pm

re: #127 debutaunt

Cleaning garbage out is a far cry from a scary ol' purge.

Very true, but you try to convince them of that fact. Hell, some of the Vlaams Belangers think Charles did a purge on them. Baron Bodissey and what's-her-name think they are banned at LGF. They're not.

/Correct me if I am wrong, Charles.

152 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:12:42pm

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because Whitey was keeping him down, making his dad ditch his mom while his Grand Parents raised him and oppressed him so much he could go to college and go globe trotting. Oh, the oppression!

Where do I sign up for that oppression?

Apart from the broken home, it'd be a relief.

153 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:12:57pm

re: #120 storagemanager

I just posted a story of a 12 year old girl beaten to death by her father...please read it...this stuff needs to get out more.

The story doesn't say, and by the location this family could be either Muslim or Hindu. Any info on this from another source? Not that that matters to the poor girl at this point.

154 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:13:07pm

re: #141 LanceKates

That too!

heh. I love to point that out to people who like to use hyphenated titles. "I'm Africian-American"

No, you're Native American, unless you were born in Africa.

I get called racist alot, actually.
*ponders*

But I am of the Otoe-Missouri tribe. Just not enough blood to make their rolls.

Happens a lot when your family has been here awhile.

155 TheUnrepentantGeek  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:13:09pm

re: #26 zombie

Spencer is 100% correct.

This actually connects to the thread last night. Just as the anti-jihad movement in Europe needs to stay above associations that will drag it down, the "neo-con/anti-idiotarian/etc." movement in the US needs to distance itself from paleo-cons and other old-fashioned believers for it to become a viable alternative to moonbattery.

No one has yet articulated a political position along these lines, however. Unfortiunately.

I think you'd do well to define what is meant by "old fashioned believers." Based on your obvious contempt for theists in the Stein movie thread, I have to wonder precisely who you mean.

156 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:13:12pm

re: #145 coquimbojoe

What about some of that sweet casino windfall money?

Gotta make the rolls.

Actually, I don't know that I'd want it. Dependence is not freedom.

157 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:13:49pm
158 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:13:58pm

re: #154 galloping granny

Heh... I'm not too broken up about it. I am what I am, no matter what anyone else says that I am.

159 Daisy  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:14:37pm

Colin (aka Sulyman) the white convert to Islam, nicely demonstrates the fact that race and culture are 2 separate things: First, according to his brother, he was a 'pot smoking lay-about'. In that capacity, I'm certain he abided by the cultural norms of whacked out pot smoking lay-abouts. In his role of trophy Islamist, I trust he abided by the rules sanctioned by that crazy culture (and then some, as trophy anyones tend to do).

If one grows up in a household with 5 pianos that are regularly employed in their function one will grow up within a culture far different than a household with 5 TV sets that are regularly employed.

The reason to abjure Islamists is because of their practical ideology not their "race" (whatever the hell that may mean). Same goes for Leftists.

160 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:14:46pm

re: #138 Widow'smight

Yep, them there folks wouldn't want to be even seen with them there Gun-totin, Bible thumpin, hard-working, strong willed people who believe in something that no one can ever disprove.

Actually, what you say is quite true. That is the exact kind of person that the wannabe-ex-moonbats are afraid of being associated with. Fear of being perceived as being on the same team as "bible-thumpers" is exactly what keeps them moonbats.

If there was an anti-jihad, pro-America political identity that had no religious component, I think a lot of wavering moonbats would jump in with both feet.

161 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:14:46pm

re: #120 storagemanager

I just posted a story of a 12 year old girl beaten to death by her father...please read it...this stuff needs to get out more.

No words. Just rage and despair.

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:14:58pm

This is difficult to admit, but, I personally am having a hard time not being a racist regarding Muslims of Middle Eastern origin.

I guess it is xenophobic to have a distrust for a group where a large number of them want me to die.

This is truly a cognitive dissonance problem for me. Any help out there?

163 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:15:14pm

re: #157 savage_nation

She's fine, just getting bigger and bigger. She started showing about 2 weeks ago.

Get a load of the place she's scheduled to have her baby....

Holy crap! Looks like she'll be taken care of.

Spa services? heh.

I meant to ask... is the father being a good guy or a prick?

I'd hate to drive halfway across the country to have to beat someone.

164 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:15:36pm
165 akak  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:15:42pm
A Georgia military contractor tricked law enforcement agencies into buying faulty stun grenades, which ultimately left three FBI agents seriously injured, federal prosecutors said today. Pyrotechnic Specialties Inc. is accused of relabeling and selling "flash-bang" grenades that the U.S. military rejected after its personnel were injured

cnn

Check out the land they sit on!


[Link: www.atsdr.cdc.gov...]

166 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:15:44pm

Should 'old-fashioned believers' now change their armbands avatars to identify themselves?

167 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:15:48pm

re: #128 galloping granny

Do you mean you were born here in the US, like all of the other native Americans, LanceKate?

Let me quote a rather famous American Indian to you. His name is Carlos Nikai & he is a rather famous musician. At a concert at Dartmouth, about 3 years ago -

"All of us here in this room who were born in America, we're all native Americans. I am a native American. I am also proud to be an American Indian of the Navajo tribe."

/We have to let them keep Manhattan. They did pay for that.

* * *

It occured to me while watching the Pope's excellent weekend in America on tv that Christopher Columbus' voyages to the New World was funded by Spain's Catholic monarchs, with the help of their Catholic fundraisers.

It was excellent to discover the world wasn't flat! It was excellent to discover a new way around jihadist lands and China.

168 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:16:08pm

re: #148 LanceKates

You definately don't want to associate with that girl (or her two sisters) with the wrong intentions. That's another strike for us Creationists I guess, we'll kick your ass if you mess with our priceless children.

169 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:16:18pm

re: #160 zombie

Actually, what you say is quite true. That is the exact kind of person that the wannabe-ex-moonbats are afraid of being associated with. Fear of being perceived as being on the same team as "bible-thumpers" is exactly what keeps them moonbats.

If there was an anti-jihad, pro-America political identity that had no religious component, I think a lot of wavering moonbats would jump in with both feet.

So, to capture the atheist moderates, we need to dump the christians.

Of course, just a week or so ago, you agreed that when presented with anti-christian thought, the Christian ought to just lay back and 'take it'

So you'll excuse me if I don't hold your view of christians with much esteem.

170 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:16:42pm

re: #155 TheUnrepentantGeek

I think you'd do well to define what is meant by "old fashioned believers." Based on your obvious contempt for theists in the Stein movie thread, I have to wonder precisely who you mean.

I'm sorry, but when did that become a prerequesite for being a theist?

Please don't derail this thread anymor than it already is.

171 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:17:22pm

re: #153 Son of the Black Dog

The story doesn't say, and by the location this family could be either Muslim or Hindu. Any info on this from another source? Not that that matters to the poor girl at this point.


It is posted on a site about Muslim honour killings.

172 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:17:55pm

re: #164 savage_nation

Isn't part of your nation up in Nebraska?

Heh... I'm an American. My nation covers 50 states, brother.

As for the indian tribe.... I'm not sure. When I'm done with my schooling, I do plan on doing more research.

It took us a long time to figure that out... we previously thought we were chickisha (sp?)

173 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:18:09pm
174 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:18:17pm

Kilgore Trout

What did you say that Mr Spencer did not like?

175 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:18:25pm

re: #157 savage_nation

They got a pre-birthing Jacuzzi in there? How bout HD TV?

Where are ya right now?

176 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:18:45pm

Well, I reckon the line has been drawn. Christians are not wanted. Or, am I reading something wrong?

177 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:19:14pm

re: #168 Widow'smight

You definately don't want to associate with that girl (or her two sisters) with the wrong intentions. That's another strike for us Creationists I guess, we'll kick your ass if you mess with our priceless children.

Lol... I was referring to the picture in general.

(You still look like Dr. Cox)

But I don't know that I have wrong intentions regarding ladies.

At the moment, I have NO intentions... too much pressure as it is.

178 redstateredneck  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:20:19pm

re: #156 LanceKates

Gotta make the rolls.

Actually, I don't know that I'd want it. Dependence is not freedom.

Beats the hell out of a blanket and some beads.

179 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:20:27pm

re: #160 zombie

Actually, what you say is quite true. That is the exact kind of person that the wannabe-ex-moonbats are afraid of being associated with. Fear of being perceived as being on the same team as "bible-thumpers" is exactly what keeps them moonbats.

If there was an anti-jihad, pro-America political identity that had no religious component, I think a lot of wavering moonbats would jump in with both feet.

What's so ironic about that statement is those very people who are afraid of associating with people of faith are the same people who lecture us constantly about tolerance, freedom of speech, co-existing with those we may disagree with, live and let live, etc.

In fact, they are "afraid" of associating with people of faith because "religion" is synonymous with "ignorant", in their lexicon.

I challenge every one of you who employed this terminology on the Stein thread to take a look at yourself and ask, who is calling names and casting aspersions here?

To put it another way, why do G-d-fearing America-loving people need to abandon G-d to draw more people to their ranks?

180 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:21:05pm

re: #173 savage_nation

LOL! Just drive up US77 a couple hundred miles. Put you right in downtown Lincoln.

I'm gonna go look the place over after it opens in August. Sheesh, it looks like a five-star resort! I might just move in. Wifi, all the coffee I can drink and flat screen TV's.

Just what I need! LOL

The hospital my dad had his recent operation at was REALLY family oriented. single ICU rooms, family member could stay there 24/7 if they wanted... had a futon in the room.

Free meal, once a day, for a family member.

Very nice and caring, all around.

Even got a specially made teddy bear for him to hug onto when he's coughing, leaning, standing, etc.... to cut down on the strain on his chest.

181 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:21:10pm

OT: SCREAMING DRUDGE HEADLINE

CLINTON INTERNALS SHOW 11-POINT LEAD IN PA

Controlled excitement is building inside of Clinton's inner circle as closely guarded internal polling shows the former first lady with an 11-point lead in Pennsylvania!

Clinton is polling near to nearly 2 to 1 over Obama in many regions of the state, a top insider explained to the DRUDGE REPORT.

182 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:21:18pm

re: #149 LanceKates

bring it on... give them tomahawks, give me my pistols!

FREEEDDOOOMMM!


Actually Lance, one of the most interesting of the French to come here was a French nobleman that originally came to North America as a young Ensign (~13-15 or so). He loved North America, so he came back almost immediately and helped to settle what eventually became northern Maine and Nova Scotia, first living with and then marrying into the Abenaki tribe that lived there. He had a number of children, every one of which he registered as nobility in France. He also inherited leadership of the Abenaki from his wives' father. Those children eventually inherited both the French lands/title and the leadership of the tribe.

Massachusetts Bay Colony eventually declared war on him - a war that has never been settled by treaty - probably why the US government does not recognize the Abenaki.

183 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:21:31pm

re: #176 MandyManners

Well, I reckon the line has been drawn. Christians are not wanted. Or, am I reading something wrong?

You're always wanted where I am, Mandy.

And banning aside, I don't plan on leaving.

184 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:21:55pm

re: #155 TheUnrepentantGeek

I think you'd do well to define what is meant by "old fashioned believers." Based on your obvious contempt for theists in the Stein movie thread, I have to wonder precisely who you mean.

Religious fundamentalists, mostly.

I'm talking strategy here. The political reality is that the vast majority of moonbats see religion as noxious and creationism as a serious threat. They have this inner urge to abandon the moonbat hive-mind, but they're so afraid of being seen as on the same team as religious fundamentalists and creationists that they stay in the moonbat camp.

This has nothing to do with you, me, or the veracity of creationism. It's just about political maneuvering. A "halfway house" for recovering moonbats would be very useful.

185 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:22:11pm

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is difficult to admit, but, I personally am having a hard time not being a racist regarding Muslims of Middle Eastern origin.

I guess it is xenophobic to have a distrust for a group where a large number of them want me to die.

This is truly a cognitive dissonance problem for me. Any help out there?

There's a difference between "I identify this person as a possible member of a group whose stated goal is to kill me, therefore I will exercise caution" and "I hate this person because they are a possible member of a group whose stated goal is to kill me, therefore I will persecute them in any way possible."

186 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:22:13pm

re: #178 redstateredneck

Beats the hell out of a blanket and some beads.

Hey... it could have been a REALLY cool blanket... like... with Han Solo on it or something.....

*grin*

Alot of what we've been taught about the indians is biased to make white man look evil....

187 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:22:26pm

re: #176 MandyManners

Well, I reckon the line has been drawn. Christians are not wanted. Or, am I reading something wrong?

Well, I am a Christian (specifically Catholic), and I'm here, and I don't hold any of those beliefs that Stein talks about. To equate Christians with a certain type of belief that only a few sects share is disineguous, IMHO. Considering the vast number of sects, there seem to be a lot of different ways one can call himself Christian.

To be a Christian, I thought one had to follow Christ, not believe a book literally.

188 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:22:39pm

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm Italian-Scottish out of Connecticut on one side and German-Native American out of Texas on the other who was born and raised in CA and married a Japanese woman. I'm a mutt. Of course, I am white so I'm obviously a racist bastard.

You could be a pretty wide ranging racist by just giving in to an urge for self-loathing. Good thing you aren't a lefty.

189 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:23:14pm
190 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:23:21pm

When the jihad hits our streets...you will be glad to have a Christian on your side..or maybe you like moonbats better?

191 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:23:25pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

That brings up the topic at hand. Ever wonder why we haven't had a Brigitte Bardot thread here? Many "right wing" site haven't covered it. It's because she's married to a Le Penn supporter and is most likely involved in racist European politics. It's poison for us to associate with her.

* * *
Yet Jane Fonda who was leter married to Brigitte Bardot's Russian husband, then American ultraleftists, is able to run her leftist foul mouth with notoriety despite having icky associations....such as having aided & abetted VietCong's torture of our POWs.

192 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:23:38pm
193 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:23:47pm

re: #166 EC Marm

Should 'old-fashioned believers' now change their armbands avatars to identify themselves?

Sigh.

194 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:24:24pm

re: #174 DownRightMeanAmerican

Ooops, he muist be referring to #48 and #55.
Perhaps I shouldn't comment further, I don't want to ruffle any feathers. We've discussed it a lot here over the past year.

195 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:24:41pm

re: #190 storagemanager

When the jihad hits our streets...you will be glad to have a Christian on your side..or maybe you like moonbats better?

I'd like to think I have better aim than any anti-gun moonbat.

196 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:24:56pm

speaking of which, I am nearly out of ammo.

And don't get paid for 2 weeks dagnabbit.

197 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:25:12pm
198 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:25:13pm

re: #191 alegrias

Agreed. We need to be better than them.

199 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:25:36pm

Gotta' scoot. Later, Lizards.

200 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:26:02pm

re: #187 Honorary Yooper

Well, I am a Christian (specifically Catholic), and I'm here, and I don't hold any of those beliefs that Stein talks about. To equate Christians with a certain type of belief that only a few sects share is disineguous, IMHO. Considering the vast number of sects, there seem to be a lot of different ways one can call himself Christian.

To be a Christian, I thought one had to follow Christ, not believe a book literally.


Funny ...Jesus did..he quoted at the drop of a hat.

201 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:26:07pm

re: #160 zombie

It's very obvious the folks in question, and perhaps yourself have a very twisted view of us "Religous" folks. Perhaps it's from absorbing all that MSM stuff.

If you've ever been in small town America and get to know some folks there, you'll find we're actually wonderful people.

Could it be our independence from Government that scares them off? The Idea that some people actually take the initiative and enjoy taking care of themselves that scares them? The Idea that we as individuals should help our fellow man, and not the government?

The Ability to be a jerk is not determined by whether you believe in a God who gives you free will to accept him or not.

202 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:26:09pm

re: #197 savage_nation

Job ass is behaving himself for now. Thats what I refer to him now. He's on thin ice still...

No need for a beating, yet... bwahaha

Just let me know. Nothing too serious. Just put the fear of God, Bhudda, Vishnu and Odin into him.

better to cover all the bases.

203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:26:22pm

re: #188 CyanSnowHawk

You could be a pretty wide ranging racist by just giving in to an urge for self-loathing. Good thing you aren't a lefty.

I do have to control my urge to drink scotch, annexing the Sudetenland and taking a few scalps before heading home for some meatballs. I'm afraid my kids are going to develop an overwhelming urge to sneak attack Naval bases as they grow older

204 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:26:53pm
205 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:26:57pm

re: #166 EC Marm

Old-fashioned believers

I'm trying to figure out what a new-fashioned believer is. Must be someone who enjoys all the benefits bestowed upon on them by the old-fashioneds, while at the same time wanting to appear reasonable and fashionable and not burdened by things of a spiritual nature. They are stuck in the material realm - precisely where they are the most vulnerable to Islam and Leftism.

206 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:27:16pm

re: #204 savage_nation

No Allah? you islamophobic bastard! LOL

Flattery gets you nowhere with me.

207 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:27:18pm

re: #176 MandyManners

Well, I reckon the line has been drawn. Christians are not wanted. Or, am I reading something wrong?

* * *
Self-martyrs self-selecting out to sit on sidelines aren't too helpful.

208 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:27:24pm

re: #203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I do have to control my urge to drink scotch, annexing the Sudetenland and taking a few scalps before heading home for some meatballs. I'm afraid my kids are going to develop an overwhelming urge to sneak attack Naval bases as they grow older

Try to bomb the harbor!

/obscure South Park reference FTW

209 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:27:26pm

re: #160 zombie

Actually, what you say is quite true. That is the exact kind of person that the wannabe-ex-moonbats are afraid of being associated with. Fear of being perceived as being on the same team as "bible-thumpers" is exactly what keeps them moonbats.

If there was an anti-jihad, pro-America political identity that had no religious component, I think a lot of wavering moonbats would jump in with both feet.

Our secular freedoms depend on the continued existence of the GOD of Israel and his covenant.

Wherever and whenever he has been removed from public life, totalitarianism rises and rules.

See
Communism
Nazism
Islam

etc etc go back in time you find the same crap under other names and guises

Coming soon to a theater near you: Obammunism


Be careful who you seek to run out of town on a rail.

210 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:27:44pm

Mr. Spencer wrote in the comments that he sent this emial to Charles....
Dear Charles,

Thank you for the link. I much appreciate it.

I cannot comment at LGF, but I just read the comments there and I see that "Kilgore Trout" and some others are attacking me for allegedly speaking at "another" white supremacist event recently, linking to a film Pamela made of some post-event bantering.

If I could comment on LGF, I would point these things out:

1. The controversial event from last year that started this whole thing was not a white supremacist, neo-Nazi event. It was an openly Zionist event that featured an Israeli parliamentarian and Andrew Bostom speaking about Islamic antisemtism, etc. Ibn Warraq (if I recall correctly) and (certainly) Patrick Sookhdeo spoke. No racial issues were discussed. This does not mean that the VB or SD are absolved from legitimate questions about their positions, but to portray this as some kind of racist event is a caricature, and a smear.

2. I do not believe Pamela Geller is a white supremacist or a neo-Nazi.

3. The video she took to which LGF commenters are referring is from April 10 in NYC. I spoke at a conference sponsored by the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies and the New Criterion, "Free Speech In An Age of Jihad." No European political parties (or American ones, for that matter), with any hint of any racist taint were in any way involved. Neither FDD or the New Criterion is a racist group. Pamela was there, and took video. Re Pamela, I repeat #2.

I'd be very grateful if you would post this in the LGF comments, or allow me to do so.

Best regards
Robert
Charles, sorry if I caused any trouble.

211 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:27:54pm

re: #205 Kreuzueber Halbmond

out of curiosity, what is the story behind your avatar?

212 Charles  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:27:57pm

re: #176 MandyManners

Well, I reckon the line has been drawn. Christians are not wanted. Or, am I reading something wrong?

Yes, you're reading something wrong ... the only person who can "draw a line" like that is me, and I have no intention of doing that, or of "purging" anyone. Sheesh.

213 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:28:08pm
214 redstateredneck  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:28:21pm

re: #202 LanceKates

Just let me know. Nothing too serious. Just put the fear of God, Bhudda, Vishnu and Odin into him.

better to cover all the bases.

Don't leave out the Great Spirit, Indian boy.
;-)

215 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:28:29pm

re: #169 LanceKates

So, to capture the atheist moderates, we need to dump the christians.

I'm not saying that "we" need to do anything. I'm just saying that if there was a political identity available in this country that had those attributes, it would succeed at drawing a lot of former moonbats to the sane side. I'm not suggesting that anyone here change their beliefs, or "identify themselves," or whatever. Nor that everyone here be forced to join such a political group, if they didn't want to. I'm only saying that the existence of such a group would be useful.

Of course, just a week or so ago, you agreed that when presented with anti-christian thought, the Christian ought to just lay back and 'take it'

So you'll excuse me if I don't hold your view of christians with much esteem.

OK.

216 Charles  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:29:10pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

No problem -- I just created an account for Robert, he should show up any minute...

217 Sol Roth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:29:13pm

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is difficult to admit, but, I personally am having a hard time not being a racist regarding Muslims of Middle Eastern origin.

I guess it is xenophobic to have a distrust for a group where a large number of them want me to die.

This is truly a cognitive dissonance problem for me. Any help out there?

In a safe environment, not allowing an individual to manifest his uniqueness by pre-judging him based on the culture or gene pool from whence he hails, would be racism in my opinion.

Being wary of individuals that immediately manifest the cultural characteristics of a group inimical to me would seem a prudent survival trait.

218 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:29:27pm

re: #205 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I'm trying to figure out what a new-fashioned believer is. Must be someone who enjoys all the benefits bestowed upon on them by the old-fashioneds, while at the same time wanting to appear reasonable and fashionable and not burdened by things of a spiritual nature. They are stuck in the material realm - precisely where they are the most vulnerable to Islam and Leftism.

New-fashioned believers believe things such as, Jesus represents relief for the poor and downtrodden of the world. Sin is a function of collective guilt, and reparations are often the only penance. Race is prominently featured.

219 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:29:44pm
220 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:29:49pm

re: #176 MandyManners

Well, I reckon the line has been drawn. Christians are not wanted. Or, am I reading something wrong?

I'm not saying that! TO repeat part of my comment from #215:

I'm just saying that if there was a political identity available in this country that had those attributes, it would succeed at drawing a lot of former moonbats to the sane side. I'm not suggesting that anyone here change their beliefs, or "identify themselves," or whatever. Nor that everyone here be forced to join such a political group, if they didn't want to. I'm only saying that the existence of such a group would be useful.

221 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:29:56pm

re: #213 savage_nation

hehe.

I might liveblog the event here on LGF...

Wifi is a great thing.

Why not? I used to liveblog Sooners games.

Really pissed off some people. heh.

Almost as much as me coming back from a "LGF-Free Lent" did.

222 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:30:04pm

re: #212 Charles

Yes, you're reading something wrong ... the only person who can "draw a line" like that is me, and I have no intention of doing that, or of "purging" anyone. Sheesh.

Ah, but some people already had the bonfire and smores going!

/sarc

223 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:30:12pm

re: #214 redstateredneck

Don't leave out the Great Spirit, Indian boy.
;-)

And GAOTU

224 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:30:16pm

re: #151 Honorary Yooper

Very true, but you try to convince them of that fact. Hell, some of the Vlaams Belangers think Charles did a purge on them. Baron Bodissey and what's-her-name think they are banned at LGF. They're not.

/Correct me if I am wrong, Charles.

Is linking to GoV still disallowed automatically? Let me check.
The Latest Mental Illness: Iranophobia

225 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:30:42pm

re: #167 alegrias

* * *

It occured to me while watching the Pope's excellent weekend in America on tv that Christopher Columbus' voyages to the New World was funded by Spain's Catholic monarchs, with the help of their Catholic fundraisers.

It was excellent to discover the world wasn't flat! It was excellent to discover a new way around jihadist lands and China.

The world was already known not to be flat, at least by mariners, scientists and scholars. 1492 is an extremely important year in world history. That is the year that the Europeans finally shoved the moorish invaders off the Iberian peninsula and back into Africa. Ferdinand & Isabella weren't being particularly adventurous though. Years/decades of warfare combined with the nearly 50-year blockade of the Silk Road to European trade by the Arabs had almost emptied their treasury. Financing Columbus was a huge roll of the dice. Sheer capitalism though - spice was not something used to preserve rotting food. It was the ultimate symbol of wealth and power*, worth literally its weight or more in gold. *Arugula so to speak. . . .

226 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:30:54pm

re: #216 Charles

No problem -- I just created an account for Robert, he should show up any minute...

Cool. Can't wait to see him here. :-)

227 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:30:58pm
228 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:31:21pm

re: #223 LanceKates

And GAOTU

Cthulhu is mightily offended.

229 Robert Spencer  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:31:36pm

Greetings from Robert Spencer.

I want to thank Charles for posting this here, and for allowing me to register and post this comment. I just read the comments here (well, the early ones -- there are about 100 more since I stopped and composed this note) and I saw that "Kilgore Trout" and some others were attacking me for allegedly speaking at "another" white supremacist event recently, linking to a film Pamela made of some post-event bantering.

1. The controversial conference in Brussels last year that started this whole bloody blog war was not a white supremacist, neo-Nazi event. It was an openly Zionist event that featured an Israeli parliamentarian and Andrew Bostom speaking about Islamic antisemtism, etc. Ibn Warraq (if I recall correctly) and (certainly) Patrick Sookhdeo spoke. No racial issues were discussed. This does not mean that the VB or SD are absolved from legitimate questions about their positions, but to portray this as some kind of racist event is a caricature, and a smear.

2. I do not believe Pamela Geller is a white supremacist or a neo-Nazi.

3. The video she took to which LGF commenters are referring above is from April 10 -- a week and a half ago -- in NYC. I spoke at a conference sponsored by the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies and the New Criterion, "Free Speech In An Age of Jihad." No European political parties (or American ones, for that matter), with any hint of any racist taint were in any way involved. Neither FDD or the New Criterion is a racist group. Pamela was there, and took video. Re Pamela, I repeat #2.

It is important to divorce the anti-jihad resistance from any hint of racial supremacism. It is also important not to be hysterical. If I speak somewhere and Pamela films my talk, that doesn't make it some kind of racist event. Contact Cliff May or Andy McCarthy at the FDD or Roger Kimball at the New Criterion for more information on the April event.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

230 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:31:47pm

re: #226 Honorary Yooper

Cool. Can't wait to see him here. :-)


Neither can I.

I found LGF through Dhimmi Watch.

231 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:31:55pm

re: #224 abolitionist

Is linking to GoV still disallowed automatically? Let me check.
The Latest Mental Illness: Iranophobia

Nope. Got there just fine by your link.

232 redstateredneck  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:32:04pm

re: #221 LanceKates

The resurrected Lance!

233 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:32:13pm
234 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:32:39pm

re: #227 savage_nation

I don't want to piss off anyone.

Heh.

re: #228 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cthulhu is mightily offended.

I can take him on. Cthulhu is a wuss.

235 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:32:44pm

re: #211 LanceKates

I climbed the pyramid to the 13th floor. I opened the door. I saw the eye. Jesus was there, and so was Moses and Tom. It was cool. Annuit Coeptis.

236 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:32:56pm

re: #77 LanceKates

OT: Bank of America Net Income falls 77% on 6 Billion in bad debt.

I wonder how much of that was from their credit cards for illegals.

A large percentage, I can hope!

JAFLW

/Chickens coming home to roost and all that...

237 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:33:08pm

re: #230 Ben Hur

Neither can I.

I found LGF through Dhimmi Watch.

You too? Wonder how many other lizards found LGF that way.

238 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:33:15pm

BIG JESUS IS RIPPING US OFF!

239 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:33:19pm

re: #217 Sol Roth

In a safe environment, not allowing an individual to manifest his uniqueness by pre-judging him based on the culture or gene pool from whence he hails, would be racism in my opinion.

Being wary of individuals that immediately manifest the cultural characteristics of a group inimical to me would seem a prudent survival trait.

* * *

There are blond blue-eyed half-American islamists right here in the USA. Mother from Colorado, father Lebanese, 3 male children attending Islamic Saudi Academy in Northern Virginia.

240 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:33:36pm

re: #232 redstateredneck

The resurrected Lance!

Heh. I'd feel so anti-christish if I were to take that title....

241 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:33:41pm

re: #229 Robert Spencer

Welcome to LGF, Mr. Spencer.

242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:33:52pm

re: #217 Sol Roth

re: #185 incanus

Thanks for your clarification. Just to make sure...

If someone calls me a racist, that does not make me a racist?

243 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:33:57pm
244 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:34:04pm

re: #189 savage_nation

Well, you drive safely mon. You should be here right now, it's really perty with all the trees and bushes flowering.

Glad the family's doing better Pops.

245 marjoriemoon  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:34:23pm

re: #30 zombie

Very true.

I think there is good news on the gay political front: i even saw a radical left-wing gay event advertised in SF -- that was anti-sharia!

i should have gone to document it. But sadly i was busy that day.

I'd love to see them. The one group that I could never wrap my brain around are the Queers for Palestine. I always let out a little laugh when I see them. I can't help it. None of the SF crowd are farther off the mark than these people. (The gay folks I know support Israel.)

246 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:34:33pm
247 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:34:46pm

Cahn't this town go even one day without a riot?

248 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:35:01pm

Has anoyone checked ou the dreadfully awful Williams Ayers blog?

Interesting link to a Che-loving, nutjob UCLA professor here.

249 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:35:10pm

re: #179 incanus

What's so ironic about that statement is those very people who are afraid of associating with people of faith are the same people who lecture us constantly about tolerance, freedom of speech, co-existing with those we may disagree with, live and let live, etc.

In fact, they are "afraid" of associating with people of faith because "religion" is synonymous with "ignorant", in their lexicon.

I challenge every one of you who employed this terminology on the Stein thread to take a look at yourself and ask, who is calling names and casting aspersions here?

To put it another way, why do G-d-fearing America-loving people need to abandon G-d to draw more people to their ranks?

I'm not saying that you have to be a part of this whole putative political alignment I'm envisioning. I'm not asking anyone to change their beliefs about anything. Only trying to grapple with political realities in America today.

Try to take the personal out of this.

If I'm not even allowed to describe the political landscape accurately with being accused of "casting aspersions," than we can't have a productive discussion.

250 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:35:13pm

re: #245 marjoriemoon

Gay Jewish Dykes for Palestine would be two steps worse
lol

251 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:35:14pm

re: #247 Peacekeeper

Cahn't this town go even one day without a riot?

Not lately....

252 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:35:24pm

re: #238 Peacekeeper

BIG JESUS IS RIPPING US OFF!

Jésus is ripping us off? Then we should prosecute him for fraud.

/No se nada.

253 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:35:41pm
254 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:36:15pm

I posted at Jihad watch,before I came here...nice to see you here Robert.

255 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:36:27pm

re: #249 zombie

Try to take the personal out of this.

If I'm not even allowed to describe the political landscape accurately with being accused of "casting aspersions," than we can't have a productive discussion.

Agreed. I do not want to speak for you, but I read your comment as a mere observation, not a condemnation.

256 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:36:52pm

re: #98 LanceKates

Heh.. as long as you call us paisans and not WOPs, we're just fine... lol.

I'm Italian, German and Native American.

Get off my land or I'll invade you with my supply of meatballs.

lol.

Bring it on! (He says as he grabs his fork and starts drooling..... mmmmmmm... meatballs!) (Especially Italian)

JAFLW

257 bosforus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:37:30pm

re: #220 zombie

I think the apparent confusion here is that you're expressing an idea you believe to be valid rather than calling for action towards that idea. It seems that those in conflict with you probably think you're trying to say more than you actually are when all you're doing is presenting an idea.

258 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:37:56pm

re: #256 Just Another Four-letter Word

Bring it on! (He says as he grabs his fork and starts drooling..... mmmmmmm... meatballs!) (Especially Italian)

JAFLW

Dangit.... I didn't think anyone would take me up on that threat.... Now I'd have to make good on it...

uhh..... here.

259 Render  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:38:10pm

Welcome aboard Mr Spencer...

It's about time.

MAKING
ROOM,
R

260 redstateredneck  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:38:23pm

re: #255 loppyd

Agreed. I do not want to speak for you, but I read your comment as a mere observation, not a condemnation.

Feathers get ruffled very easily when the topic is religion.

261 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:38:39pm

Alrighty then.

262 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:38:48pm

re: #248 JammieWearingFool

Has anoyone checked ou the dreadfully awful Williams Ayers blog?

Interesting link to a Che-loving, nutjob UCLA professor here.

Hey Jammie!

Clicked on the link. He wrote a book called The Good Pre-School Teacher.

How incredibly frightening!

263 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:38:50pm

re: #251 loppyd

LET'S TEAR IT UP THEN!

264 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:38:51pm

re: #260 redstateredneck

Feathers get ruffled very easily when the topic is religion.

Feathers?

Is that an Evolution crack?!

*riots and burns cars*

/

265 joncelli  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:39:08pm

re: #46 MandyManners

No. I wish the anti-jihad movement could be a big tent, leaving out only the white supremacists, obvious moonbats, and blood-and-soil Buchananites. There's room for liberals who love the western tradition, christians of all stripes, Jews, atheists -- anybody who hates what the jihad represents. If we start laying down litmus tests beyond one of respecting human rights then we are bound to be marginalized and ineffective.

266 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:39:26pm

re: #192 savage_nation

Check your email PLEASE!

Got it.

267 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:39:29pm

re: #261 Ben Hur

Alrighty then.

BEN HUR!

Greetings from the best sports town in the USA!

268 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:39:40pm

re: #255 loppyd

Agreed. I do not want to speak for you, but I read your comment as a mere observation, not a condemnation.

"casting aspersions" would make a great nic.

269 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:40:02pm

Moonbatism is closely related to juvenile delinquency. By the age of thirty most grow out of it.
Time, and the weight of life's experiences does more to correct the wrong-thinkingness than kicking 'old-fashioned religious' folks to the curb because they 'cling' to their religion.

270 Charles  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:40:21pm

re: #224 abolitionist

Is linking to GoV still disallowed automatically? Let me check.
The Latest Mental Illness: Iranophobia

The people who run Gates of Vienna have made it very clear where they stand, and I have no interest in sending any traffic to their site. Posting links to them in a comment is not going to make me feel very friendly toward you.

271 sparrowlake  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:40:36pm

Isn't LGF an anti-Islamofascist coalition which welcomes anyone and everyone of all political, ethnic, religious or sexual orientations with the exception of terrorists, Nazis, Fascists, and any others who advocate murder, genocide or other serious crimes or who are too intolerant to accommodate the other coalition members?
At least that is what I thought it was.

272 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:40:51pm

re: #267 loppyd

BEN HUR!

Greetings from the best sports town in the USA!

You're town?

My Barometer sense must be fading...

273 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:40:57pm

re: #265 joncelli

No. I wish the anti-jihad movement could be a big tent, leaving out only the white supremacists, obvious moonbats, and blood-and-soil Buchananites. There's room for liberals who love the western tradition, christians of all stripes, Jews, atheists -- anybody who hates what the jihad represents. If we start laying down litmus tests beyond one of respecting human rights then we are bound to be marginalized and ineffective.

I would agree.

However, Mandy and I aren't the ones suggesting that one should exclude people based on religion.

I have no problem sharing in the struggle gainst islamic rule alongside atheists or any other religion. It is when they want to kick me out for the sake of being politically correct, or for the sake of trying to snag more 'moderates' that we have a problem.

274 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:41:19pm

re: #237 Honorary Yooper

You too? Wonder how many other lizards found LGF that way.

I came here in 2004, from Jihad Watch.

275 TalkinKamel  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:41:22pm

#229 Robert Spencer

Just want to say I enjoyed the article, Mr. Spencer. I also liked your book, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Crusades!"

#250 BabbaZee

ROFLMAO!

276 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:42:15pm

re: #265 joncelli

No. I wish the anti-jihad movement could be a big tent, leaving out only the white supremacists, obvious moonbats, and blood-and-soil Buchananites. There's room for liberals who love the western tradition, christians of all stripes, Jews, atheists -- anybody who hates what the jihad represents. If we start laying down litmus tests beyond one of respecting human rights then we are bound to be marginalized and ineffective.

Exactly. That's all it should be no matter how many chairs and tables are thrown over side arguments.

277 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:42:16pm
278 Maine's Michael  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:42:17pm

re: #40 Peacekeeper

There is a certain strain of alleged conservatism that claims all our problems can be solved terrorism, oil, by abandoning Israel.
They get to kill Jews, we get cheap oil. Everybody wins.

/feh.

That would be Pat Buchanan, and Co. Spit.

279 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:43:06pm

re: #278 Maine's Michael

That would be Pat Buchanan, and Co. Spit.

of all of the disagreements that we've had, I think we can come together behind the idea that supporting Israel is a vital, noble and Good deed.

280 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:43:23pm

re: #229 Robert Spencer
Welcome! I only run one ad on my blog, for one of your books. The proceeds go to my son for beer money. No beer belly on him.
Hope it helps a little.

281 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:43:46pm

re: #212 Charles

Yes, you're reading something wrong ... the only person who can "draw a line" like that is me, and I have no intention of doing that, or of "purging" anyone. Sheesh.

Thank you, Charles.

282 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:43:54pm

re: #272 Ben Hur

You're town?

My Barometer sense must be fading...

Dahlink,

You must admit that this weekend was pretty awesome for Boston fans...

Sat:
Red Sox win! Big Papi hits grand slam, bats are on fire
Bruins force a game 7 in the Stanley Cup playoffs against arch rival Montreal

Sun:
Red Sox come back from 5-0 deficit and win
Celtics TROUNCE Atlanta in game 1 of playoff

Not too shabby, I would say.

283 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:44:05pm

re: #242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #185 incanus

Thanks for your clarification. Just to make sure...

If someone calls me a racist, that does not make me a racist?

Do you accept every name that is attributed to you?

I have a friend, "well educated", mid twenties. He's a big apologist for the Palestinians. Several months ago he and I were discussing terrorism and he announced that I was a "racist" because I "made assumptions" about all Muslims.

I informed him that in addition to his numerous fallacious arguments, "racist" was an improper term to use as what he was accusing me of was intolerance towards a religion. At one point I stated this:

The problem with the "racist" tag is it's a code word for someone who is one step above sub-human. It's hate speech as it incites hatred for the racist. I object to that term being thrown about where it does not apply. For example, [redacted] doesn't care for Somali Muslims much either. Are they Arab? They are not. Are people who hate Israelis racist? Apparently not; from what I've read. This word doesn't work, and the fact that it's applied to people to "shut them up" disturbs me. I'm not saying that's what you were doing, but I've seen it happen and I'd like to put a stop to it. We will have to agree to disagree on whether Muslim and Jew can be equated as far as race goes: I believe it's clear that when people refer to Jews they are referring to an ethnicity more than a heritage or religion. However, the lines have certainly been blurred by events of the past several hundred years in which Jews (both types) have been persecuted, sometimes to the brink of extinction in some areas. If I must I will grit my teeth and bear it if I hear you call someone a racist in the future, but there's got to be a better way.

The statement in bold was never counter-argued.

284 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:44:42pm

Pat Buchanan told Sean Hannity on his show..I was the one who told Reagan to get out of Lebanon..after 241 Marines were killed by Iran..he takes pride in that!

285 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:45:41pm

re: #249 zombie

I'm not saying that you have to be a part of this whole putative political alignment I'm envisioning. I'm not asking anyone to change their beliefs about anything. Only trying to grapple with political realities in America today.

Try to take the personal out of this.

If I'm not even allowed to describe the political landscape accurately with being accused of "casting aspersions," than we can't have a productive discussion.

It sounds to me, zombie, like you are suggesting fragmenting what currently exists of the anti-jihad/sharia movement along the lines of religious participation in order to accomodate some wishy washy moonbats who don't want to be "seen associating with the likes of them."

Have you ever heard that expression about "divide and conquer?"

286 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:45:50pm

re: #216 Charles

No problem -- I just created an account for Robert, he should show up any minute...

Welcome newby!

Read the FAQs, don't ask about comment #17, and make sure that you buy the first round today.

287 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:46:01pm

re: #249 zombie

I'm not saying that you have to be a part of this whole putative political alignment I'm envisioning. I'm not asking anyone to change their beliefs about anything. Only trying to grapple with political realities in America today.

Try to take the personal out of this.

If I'm not even allowed to describe the political landscape accurately with being accused of "casting aspersions," than we can't have a productive discussion.

Try to take the personal out of this.

288 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:46:05pm

re: #284 storagemanager

Pat Buchanan told Sean Hannity on his show..I was the one who told Reagan to get out of Lebanon..after 241 Marines were killed by Iran..he takes pride in that!

If I remember correctly (hard to do when I was so young and my early impression of Reagan was formed by the msm), I believe that action was the one that Reagan regretted the most.

289 wolfie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:46:14pm

re: #39 zombie

You don't win wars by screening for ideological purity with a fine tooth comb.
The way I see it is this. The Left is ideologically consistent. The differences are in points of reference, in choice of means, and in degree. I'm not saying that those differences don't matter,BTW. (Better Clinton than Stalin!) But their first principles and their embrace of ideology (in the Marxist sense of the word) over philosophy, science, and the Judaeo-Christian tradition is entirely consistent.
The Right does not exist as a unified field (!) Milton Friedman and Pope Benedict do not start from the same principles. Solzhenitsyn and Sakharov emphatically did not. What we have in common is that we are counter-revolutionaries in the Marxist sense of the word. We are contras.
On the positive side, all contras do believe that there is a Truth that transcends power....and therefore we believe in freedom and the limitation of the state.
(Islam and the Left believe otherwise.)
One of the problems that people have in conversion to the "Right" is that they see it as a mirror image of the consistent Left. This is what they have been taught all their lives. Do you not see how this error has served leftist propaganda for decades?
The one thing they don't want you to concentrate on is the Left itself and what it stands for. ("Don't look at me!" says Obama. "Look at all the racists, Islamophobes, gun-nuts, Creationists, homophobes, yadda yadda that oppose me. Do you want to be un-chic like them? If you oppose me, you must be one of them.")
Don't buy it.

You can substitute Islamists for Left up there, by the way.

290 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:46:23pm

re: #284 storagemanager

Pat Buchanan told Sean Hannity on his show..I was the one who told Reagan to get out of Lebanon..after 241 Marines were killed by Iran..he takes pride in that!

Pat's an isolationist, not too different that those that existed previous to World War Two.

I've never thought too highly of Pat, and my opinion just keeps getting lower, the more I hear and see.

291 Pyrocles  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:46:43pm

I agree... That is frightening! Grooming the future indoctrinators.

re: #262 loppyd

Hey Jammie!

Clicked on the link. He wrote a book called The Good Pre-School Teacher.

How incredibly frightening!

292 Sol Roth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:46:52pm

re: #239 alegrias

* * *

There are blond blue-eyed half-American islamists right here in the USA. Mother from Colorado, father Lebanese, 3 male children attending Islamic Saudi Academy in Northern Virginia.

I bet there is a heterogeneity of racial characteristics amongst Islamists.

293 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:47:03pm

re: #201 Widow'smight

It's very obvious the folks in question, and perhaps yourself have a very twisted view of us "Religous" folks. Perhaps it's from absorbing all that MSM stuff.

If you've ever been in small town America and get to know some folks there, you'll find we're actually wonderful people.

Could it be our independence from Government that scares them off? The Idea that some people actually take the initiative and enjoy taking care of themselves that scares them? The Idea that we as individuals should help our fellow man, and not the government?

The Ability to be a jerk is not determined by whether you believe in a God who gives you free will to accept him or not.

You're going off on a wrong track. I'm not discussing, judging or assessing the merits of the positions and opinions people have. I'm trying to describe a political reality. However wrongheaded or rightheaded they may or may not be, moonbats have a strong aversion to religion. We will never draw them to the sane side if we ask them to join with religious fundamentalists.

Don't be insulted by this. Moonbat-aversion-to-religion is a political fact that you yourself seem to be aware of. Think about from an "above the fray" point of view. We need a comfortable place for moonbats to land when they make the switch.

Defending "small town America" from perceived disrespect is not going to change the situation.

294 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:47:04pm

re: #229 Robert Spencer

Welcome. I've long been a fan of your site and of your video posts at HotAir.

295 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:47:07pm

re: #285 galloping granny

But, it is the christians that divides.... *chuckle*

re: #287 incanus

Heh... so mean. heh.

296 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:47:35pm

re: #286 CyanSnowHawk

Welcome newby!

Read the FAQs, don't ask about comment #17, and make sure that you buy the first round today.

I think Mr. Spencer should be exempt from buying the round today, and we should buy in his honor.

297 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:47:36pm

re: #220 zombie

I'm not saying that! TO repeat part of my comment from #215:

I'm just saying that if there was a political identity available in this country that had those attributes, it would succeed at drawing a lot of former moonbats to the sane side. I'm not suggesting that anyone here change their beliefs, or "identify themselves," or whatever. Nor that everyone here be forced to join such a political group, if they didn't want to. I'm only saying that the existence of such a group would be useful.


I will stand with fellow Christians (of varying degrees of thumping the Bible), Jews, Atheists, Buddhists, Bahaists, Zorastrianits, Shintoists, pagans and animists when it comes to combatting that which seeks to destroy all of us.

298 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:48:05pm

re: #291 Pyrocles

I agree... That is frightening! Grooming the future indoctrinators.

Yep. Kids are like sponges.....

299 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:48:07pm

re: #282 loppyd

Dahlink,

You must admit that this weekend was pretty awesome for Boston fans...

Sat:
Red Sox win! Big Papi hits grand slam, bats are on fire
Bruins force a game 7 in the Stanley Cup playoffs against arch rival Montreal

Sun:
Red Sox come back from 5-0 deficit and win
Celtics TROUNCE Atlanta in game 1 of playoff

Not too shabby, I would say.

How'd that Super Bowl work out?

/Lifetime trashtalking privileges.

300 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:48:16pm

re: #271 sparrowlake

Isn't LGF an anti-Islamofascist coalition which welcomes anyone and everyone of all political, ethnic, religious or sexual orientations with the exception of terrorists, Nazis, Fascists, and any others who advocate murder, genocide or other serious crimes or who are too intolerant to accommodate the other coalition members?
At least that is what I thought it was.

Most days it is.

301 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:48:39pm

re: #229 Robert Spencer

How 'do.

302 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:48:45pm

re: #297 MandyManners

I will stand with fellow Christians (of varying degrees of thumping the Bible), Jews, Atheists, Buddhists, Bahaists, Zorastrianits, Shintoists, pagans and animists when it comes to combatting that which seeks to destroy all of us.

As do I.

But are they willing to stand with us as well?

303 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:48:58pm

re: #299 JammieWearingFool

How'd that Super Bowl work out?

/Lifetime trashtalking privileges.

About as well as the Yankees 2004 ALCS.

304 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:49:39pm
305 Sol Roth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:50:41pm

re: #242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #185 incanus

Thanks for your clarification. Just to make sure...

If someone calls me a racist, that does not make me a racist?

Tell them the only labels you wear are on the inside your clothes. Race-baiters view everyone as a race first. What does that make them?

306 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:50:42pm

re: #278 Maine's Michael

Interestingly, that same mind-set is embraced by the Carter/Obama left.

307 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:50:43pm

re: #293 zombie
You're going off on a wrong track. I'm not discussing, judging or assessing the merits of the positions and opinions people have.

Boy , you in the wrong place...

308 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:51:07pm

re: #298 loppyd

Yep. Kids are like sponges.....

I found that tribute to Che rather creepy. Found another photo of him. He's got a Che tattoo on his right arm.

Should have gotten it on the left arm, obviously.

Pretty good smackdown on him here, with photo.

309 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:51:23pm

re: #302 LanceKates

As do I.

But are they willing to stand with us as well?

Lance,

Wow. Do you not think that the other religions listed in that post may take offense to your statement just as you have taken offense regarding Christians?

310 right wing zephyr  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:51:28pm
We need a comfortable place for moonbats to land when they make the switch.

BS WE all need to be pushed out of our comfort zone to progress. Especially moonbats.

//I personally have no hope for their progress.

311 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:51:46pm

re: #303 loppyd

About as well as the Yankees 2004 ALCS.

Hey, statue of limitations on that one already.

312 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:52:03pm
313 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:52:23pm

re: #302 LanceKates

As do I.

But are they willing to stand with us as well?

Either they will or, they will fall with the rest of us.

314 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:52:30pm

re: #302 LanceKates

As do I.

But are they willing to stand with us as well?

Apparently only as long as we do not mention the words "Christian" or "Jew."

315 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:52:52pm

re: #298 loppyd

Yep. Kids are like sponges.....

Agh!
Diapers are like sponges, Kids are like hydrants.

316 Thanos  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:52:57pm

Welcome Robert.

Allegrias:

You compare Bridget to Jane, fair enough. Everytime Jane speaks, Republicans gain votes. I don't believe the anti-jihad movement or whatever you care to call it needs that sort of albatross around their necks.

317 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:53:16pm

re: #260 redstateredneck

Feathers get ruffled very easily when the topic is religion.

I'm beginning to notice that!

318 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:53:21pm

re: #260 redstateredneck

I'd go back and read 39, that's what ruffled mine. The word Some should be used a few more times. The only baggage I carry is my bride's. Reads like a sweeping Obamanissom to me.

319 Render  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:54:02pm

re: #229 Robert Spencer

"This does not mean that the VB or SD are absolved from legitimate questions about their positions..."

This, and this alone, is the root cause of all the controversy.

Those two groups (and many others who share their repulsive ideology) are simply not acceptable, for any reason, at any time, in any capacity.

They, and their ideology, should not exist in any non-historical context.

Their very presence at any function automatically degrades that function.

I, a lone LGF reader, have accepted your personal disavowal of those groups. But I have yet to read of any such disavowal by Pamela. Instead I saw months of hysterical defense.

My hands are clean. I can stand beside the graves of my father and grandfather with honor. Safe in the knowledge that I have not sided with the intellectual heirs of those who tried to exterminate my family.

NO
SURRENDER,
R

320 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:54:15pm

You'll never invent a politics that doesn't offend somebody.

321 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:54:16pm

re: #309 loppyd

Lance,

Wow. Do you not think that the other religions listed in that post may take offense to your statement just as you have taken offense regarding Christians?

Only if they would refuse to side with me because I am a christian.

Frankly, those who are in it to fight against islamic terrorism and oppression understand that OUR religious differences don't matter in this fight.

I'm only upset at those who are burdened by a dislike of Christianity that they refuse to fight against islam because they'd have to join up with the christians....

Of course, I'm sure what I said will be twisted to make ME look like a bigot. It's been done before.

322 zmdavid  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:54:43pm
Such dalliances inevitably raise the specter of neo-Nazism and white supremacism, and allow the mainstream parties to pretend that Europe faces a choice between becoming Eurabia and reviving the gas chamber.


Europe can have both Eurabia and the gas chamber, in fact, they are more likely to get both than one or the other.

323 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:54:49pm

re: #269 EC Marm

Moonbatism is closely related to juvenile delinquency. By the age of thirty most grow out of it.
Time, and the weight of life's experiences does more to correct the wrong-thinkingness than kicking 'old-fashioned religious' folks to the curb because they 'cling' to their religion.

What is going on here? No one is kicking anyone to any curb.

Sheesh.

324 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:55:12pm

re: #311 JammieWearingFool

Hey, statue of limitations on that one already.

What is the limit on the SB then?

I say NFL Draft day...

325 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:55:36pm

re: #319 RenderExcellent

326 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:55:47pm

re: #313 MandyManners

Exactly. A kingdom divided cannot stand. Both Biblical and also part of American History.

re: #314 galloping granny

Funny how that works, eh?

327 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:55:53pm

re: #296 Honorary Yooper

I think Mr. Spencer should be exempt from buying the round today, and we should buy in his honor.

Aye, I agree there, but he should also know to not piss off Mandy.

328 redstateredneck  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:56:05pm

re: #293 zombie

moonbats have a strong aversion to religion


Only the ones with rules. There are lots of regularly attending church type moonbats; they just go to the touchy-feely-let it all hang out-church of the what's happenin' now. You know, the ones where we all go to heaven.

329 Daisy  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:56:27pm

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is difficult to admit, but, I personally am having a hard time not being a racist regarding Muslims of Middle Eastern origin.

I guess it is xenophobic to have a distrust for a group where a large number of them want me to die.

This is truly a cognitive dissonance problem for me. Any help out there?

What do you mean by "racist"? If what you mean is that you believe their is something intrinsic in the Semitic nature (or DNA) of Middle Eastern Muslims that causes them to want you (and me ) to die a violent death by jihad, then I strongly urge you to examine your logic and reason because both would be fallible.

If, however, you object to the ideology of Islamism with its attendant jihadist wishes/plans for our deaths, then you are objecting to a cultural norm of Islam.

Now, I do understand your difficulty. When I see a woman in full burkha, I must admit, I (subtly) recoil in horror. If the woman picks up on my repugnance, she's probably going to feel it in her body ( just as my body feels repelled by the sight of a burkhad woman - on some level it means "danger" ) and reach the false conclusion that I object to her very being, rather than her dangerous religious ideology. Since I'm more than my fear reactions, I need to rely on my moral reasoning and abjure her ideology while using proper discernment as to any immediate intention's she may have to enact her religious injunctions against infidels. In other words, I think it's reasonable for me to be somewhat vigilant when I'm clearly in the presence of an ideologically bound Muslim since great numbers of such people have declared a fatwah upon people who look and act just like me. Simultaneously, it would be wrong for me to attribute murderous intent to such a person based upon her DNA (or "race" - whatever that really is). Does that help? Let's keep in mind that Richard Reed, the "Shoe Bomber", was a convert to Islam. It's the culture, not the DNA.

330 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:56:39pm

re: #320 Peacekeeper

You'll never invent a politics that doesn't offend somebody.

I'm offended by that statement.

331 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:56:44pm

re: #277 BabbaZee

LOL! From your link,

"Jus' 'cuz some feller wrote the readin' don't mean he done wrote the readin' right!"

It seems Festus understands the MSM perfectly.

332 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:57:00pm

re: #328 redstateredneck

Only the ones with rules. There are lots of regularly attending church type moonbats; they just go to the touchy-feely-let it all hang out-church of the what's happenin' now. You know, the ones where we all go to heaven.

holy crap how true!

'Oh, all roads lead to heaven... you just have to TRY to do the right thing..."

then quote the bible and you're called a bigot.

heh.

333 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:57:09pm

re: #257 bosforus

I think the apparent confusion here is that you're expressing an idea you believe to be valid rather than calling for action towards that idea. It seems that those in conflict with you probably think you're trying to say more than you actually are when all you're doing is presenting an idea.

The pungent scent of assumptions in the afternoon.

334 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:57:13pm

re: #324 loppyd

What is the limit on the SB then?

I say NFL Draft day...

I say Super Bowl NIGHT ,,,,, uuggghhhh

335 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:57:13pm

re: #160 zombie

Actually, what you say is quite true. That is the exact kind of person that the wannabe-ex-moonbats are afraid of being associated with. Fear of being perceived as being on the same team as "bible-thumpers" is exactly what keeps them moonbats.

If there was an anti-jihad, pro-America political identity that had no religious component, I think a lot of wavering moonbats would jump in with both feet.

Absolutely not. Moonbats are almost defined by their antipathy to America. C'mon, you live in San Fran area, can you honestly say many there would flock to support a "pro-america" political identity?

If you throw the Bible-thumpers out of the anti-Jihad party (or try too hard to shut them up) you'll find yourself a lot fewer allies, not more. The liberals are the ones with the co-exist stickers who think Islam is the victim. Christians know better, or at least bible-thumping (whatever exactly that means) ones, as opposed to the ultra-PC christians that lead many "mainstream" churches. (Remember the other thread where someone mentioned prayer for those in Gitmo & references to the suffering Palis?)

336 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:57:31pm

re: #327 CyanSnowHawk

Aye, I agree there, but he should also know to not piss off Mandy.

That goes for anyone and everyone (excluding Charles, and Charles alone).

337 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:57:45pm

Epitaph on a tyrant

Perfection, of a kind, was what he was after
And the poetry he invented was easy to understand;
He knew human folly like the back of his hand,
And was greatly interested in armies and fleets;
When he laughed, respectable senators burst with laughter,
And when he cried the little children died in the streets.

-- W. H. Auden

338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:57:51pm

re: #299 JammieWearingFool

How'd that Super Bowl work out?

/Lifetime trashtalking privileges.

Nice!

339 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:58:09pm

re: #331 Kenneth

lol.... I love that thing.

The original Most Excellent Festus!

340 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:58:10pm

re: #326 LanceKates

Exactly. A kingdom divided cannot stand. Both Biblical and also part of American History.

re: #314 galloping granny

Funny how that works, eh?

This goes beyond American politics. The entire world is fighting the Gramscian Whore that is beaking the ground for the sewing of Jihadi seed.

341 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:58:14pm

re: #335 nikis-knight

"Bible-thumping" christians, to too many, are the christians who've read one.

342 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:58:31pm

re: #321 LanceKates

Only if they would refuse to side with me because I am a christian.

Frankly, those who are in it to fight against islamic terrorism and oppression understand that OUR religious differences don't matter in this fight.

I'm only upset at those who are burdened by a dislike of Christianity that they refuse to fight against islam because they'd have to join up with the christians....

Of course, I'm sure what I said will be twisted to make ME look like a bigot. It's been done before.

Enough with that already. It is beyond tedious.

343 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:58:57pm

re: #266 zombie

Got it.

Nothing to share with the rest of the class?

344 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:59:08pm

re: #327 CyanSnowHawk

Aye, I agree there, but he should also know to not piss off Mandy.

How many times must I remind people that I'M A FREAKIN' PUDDY TAT?!

345 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:59:09pm

re: #340 MandyManners

This goes beyond American politics. The entire world is fighting the Gramscian Whore that is beaking the ground for the sewing of Jihadi seed.

There are good seeds mixed with the weeds... the time of the harvest is coming, when the wheat will be seperated.

346 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:59:11pm

re: #336 Honorary Yooper

That goes for anyone and everyone (excluding Charles, and Charles alone).

no no no ,,, Charles shouldn'd be exempt ,,, He'll piss her off, then go on one of his famous 8 houd bike-athons, leaving her here for US to deal wif ! Nuh uh ,,, no way !

(9(((( ummm,,, she's not here ,,, is she ?!?!?!?!))))

347 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:59:16pm

re: #297 MandyManners

I will stand with fellow Christians (of varying degrees of thumping the Bible), Jews, Atheists, Buddhists, Bahaists, Zorastrianits, Shintoists, pagans and animists when it comes to combatting that which seeks to destroy all of us.

Amen, sister.

348 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:59:45pm

I personally don’t know of any family that doesn’t fight, I think that’s how they evolve.

349 sparrowlake  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:59:47pm

re: #327 CyanSnowHawk

Aye, I agree there, but he should also know to not piss off Mandy.

Let him buy a round - an exemption would set a very dangerous precedent.

350 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:00:19pm

re: #326 LanceKates

Exactly. A kingdom divided cannot stand. Both Biblical and also part of American History.

re: #314 galloping granny

Funny how that works, eh?

Isn't it? Gorgeous day here - much too pretty to waste fighting over BS like how to accomodate a bunch of lunatics that would rather die than be seen to associate with a "religious" person. I'm outta here.

351 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:00:23pm

re: #345 LanceKates

There are good seeds mixed with the weeds... the time of the harvest is coming, when the wheat will be seperated.


Great, he's gone all Children of the Corn on us...

352 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:00:43pm

re: #273 LanceKates

I would agree.

However, Mandy and I aren't the ones suggesting that one should exclude people based on religion.

I have no problem sharing in the struggle gainst islamic rule alongside atheists or any other religion. It is when they want to kick me out for the sake of being politically correct, or for the sake of trying to snag more 'moderates' that we have a problem.

Well, it looks like I'm in the shithouse again.

Just trying to be helpful and think constructively.

Sigh.

I'll probably just keep quiet from here on out.

353 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:00:43pm

re: #335 nikis-knight

Absolutely not. Moonbats are almost defined by their antipathy to America. C'mon, you live in San Fran area, can you honestly say many there would flock to support a "pro-america" political identity?
If you throw the Bible-thumpers out of the anti-Jihad party (or try too hard to shut them up) you'll find yourself a lot fewer allies, not more. The liberals are the ones with the co-exist stickers who think Islam is the victim. Christians know better, or at least bible-thumping (whatever exactly that means) ones, as opposed to the ultra-PC christians that lead many "mainstream" churches. (Remember the other thread where someone mentioned prayer for those in Gitmo & references to the suffering Palis?)

354 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:00:48pm

re: #342 loppyd

What is? Predicting that those who disagree with me will paint me out to be a bigot?

I only say it because it is how it works. Consistantly.

It isn't ME.... it is anyone who presents that argument.

Now, were you suggesting that?

355 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:00:52pm

re: #312 BabbaZee

Hahahaha!

Who let the Jews Out?

356 marjoriemoon  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:01:27pm

re: #250 BabbaZee

Gay Jewish Dykes for Palestine would be two steps worse
lol

LOL Hey, how about Jewish-Pagan Dykes for Palestine?

357 bosforus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:01:37pm

re: #333 debutaunt

The pungent scent of assumptions in the afternoon.

All presented evidence points to my logical assumption.

358 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:01:43pm

Robert Spencer! Please post some more.

359 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:01:45pm

re: #319 Render

144,000 updings

360 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:01:49pm

re: #350 galloping granny

Nice weather here too... lawn service is mowing the grass at the office, I can hear them go by.

Very relaxing sound.... and the smell is so sweet... unfortunately I can't smell it in the office... just when I left for lunch.

361 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:10pm

re: #352 zombie

Well, it looks like I'm in the shithouse again.

Just trying to be helpful and think constructively.

Sigh.

I'll probably just keep quiet from here on out.


Believe it or not, zombie, it isn't all about you.

362 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:11pm

re: #352 zombie
Cahn't this town go one day without a riot?

363 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:15pm

re: #336 Honorary Yooper

That goes for anyone and everyone (excluding Charles, and Charles alone).

But Charles is a gentleman and avoids pissing off Mandy on principle. (Not out of fear for his safety, correct?)

364 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:21pm

re: #345 LanceKates

There are good seeds mixed with the weeds... the time of the harvest is coming, when the wheat will be seperated.

I don't know whent He will return. All I know is that I do not want to live under Sharia nor do I want to see others live under it.

365 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:32pm
366 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:39pm

re: #347 coquimbojoe

Amen, sister.

Testify!

367 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:44pm

re: #356 marjoriemoon

ahahhahahahaaa

368 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:47pm

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just so long as we all agree on the Flying Spaghetti Monster, we can get along fine

Some of us believe in Ceiling Cat.

369 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:03:11pm

re: #355 Kenneth

cute

370 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:03:15pm

re: #366 MandyManners

Testify!

I'm too busy handling snakes over here......

371 m  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:03:29pm

re: #229 Robert Spencer

Hi Robert!

I linked to the video, and said that I wasn't sure when it was taken in a follow-up comment. But I didn't link to it to "slam" you. I wanted to point out that Pamela isn't the pariah (nazi) that she is made out to be, because you certainly would not be talking to her if she was.

I'm sorry for the confusion.

372 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:03:36pm

The idea that we'd be better off if we just 'got rid of those christians' is not a new thought in conservative circles... it is, saddly, gaining steam as the younger generations were raised in a fairly anti-christian public school.

However, they are on sinking sand and will discover it when it is too late.

It isn't new, and it isn't going away. But we still ought to fight the notion that conservativism is 'better served' without religion.

373 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:03:49pm

re: #352 zombie

Well, it looks like I'm in the shithouse again.

Just trying to be helpful and think constructively.

Sigh.

I'll probably just keep quiet from here on out.

So are we!

We must maintain our common ground, and that is our fight against Islamofascism.

374 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:00pm

re: #363 CyanSnowHawk

But Charles is a gentleman and avoids pissing off Mandy on principle. (Not out of fear for his safety, correct?)


Charles? Charles Darwin? Charles Johnson? What about Charles Tuna? Sorry Charlie.

375 wolfie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:04pm

re: #293 zombie

I know what you're talking about. (I'm in academia.)

I think the first point in strategy is to get lefties to be lone rangers....like Christopher Hitchens, say. Challenge them to step out of their comfort zone and QUESTION AUTHORITY. Questioning the Left and its power.

376 TheUnrepentantGeek  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:13pm

re: #220 zombie

I'm not saying that! TO repeat part of my comment from #215:

I'm just saying that if there was a political identity available in this country that had those attributes, it would succeed at drawing a lot of former moonbats to the sane side. I'm not suggesting that anyone here change their beliefs, or "identify themselves," or whatever. Nor that everyone here be forced to join such a political group, if they didn't want to. I'm only saying that the existence of such a group would be useful.

So the only thing keeping these folks in place (on what I gather is the insane side) is their distaste for religion? Really? I'm sorry, but I don't buy that. After all, leftists seem fine with Buddhism, Islam, Kabbala, Wicca, and pretty much every other religion you could name, so who does that leave?

They don't have a distaste for religion. They have a distaste for the "uncool" religions that don't cater to their pre-existing value systems. There's a reason people vote the way they do, and I don't think it has nearly as much to do with group affiliation as you think it does. This isn't all about clever marketing schemes and Machiavellian political calculations. This is about how you really think the world works. I'll be the first to admit that people make stupid decisions based on superficial criterion, but this stretches the limits of belief.

And aside from that, if you're such a squish on policy that being around "those people" is going to keep you from doing the right thing ... why in the world would you be terribly constant on anything - or even a worthwhile ally? Does this alleged demographic even make an effort to vote all that much?

377 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:23pm

re: #364 MandyManners

I don't know whent He will return. All I know is that I do not want to live under Sharia nor do I want to see others live under it.

Amen to that, Mandy.

378 bosforus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:26pm

re: #352 zombie

Please don't do that. I would suggest giving up on people that don't understand your point rather than giving up on your points.

379 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:28pm

re: #364 MandyManners

I don't know whent He will return. All I know is that I do not want to live under Sharia nor do I want to see others live under it.

That's why we fight. By words when possible, by force when needed.

380 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:43pm

OT ,,, from the Goracle

"Despite the success of his film An Inconvenient Truth and last year’s Live Earth concerts in raising awareness, the former US Vice President believes little has changed where it counts and the situation is even more urgent.
cept his bank account !
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

"AL GORE wants to make a sequel to his Oscar-winning documentary on global warming"

Good ,,,, I need another day of napping in a theatre

381 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:46pm

re: #344 MandyManners

How many times must I remind people that I'M A FREAKIN' PUDDY TAT?!

I am careful around Putty Tats.

382 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:05:01pm
383 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:05:01pm

re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No thanks. Gonna have the Baby Seal Club Sandwich.

With hot Spotted Owl wings as an appetizer.

384 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:05:36pm

Stupid work intruding on my work day.

385 Charles  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:05:50pm

re: #319 Render

"This does not mean that the VB or SD are absolved from legitimate questions about their positions..."

This, and this alone, is the root cause of all the controversy.

Those two groups (and many others who share their repulsive ideology) are simply not acceptable, for any reason, at any time, in any capacity.

They, and their ideology, should not exist in any non-historical context.

Their very presence at any function automatically degrades that function.

I, a lone LGF reader, have accepted your personal disavowal of those groups. But I have yet to read of any such disavowal by Pamela. Instead I saw months of hysterical defense.

My hands are clean. I can stand beside the graves of my father and grandfather with honor. Safe in the knowledge that I have not sided with the intellectual heirs of those who tried to exterminate my family.

NO
SURRENDER,
R

I have my own issues with Pamela as well. She interviewed Paul Belien for more than an hour on her "radio show" and let him spew the most ridiculous insults at me--while she agreed with his every word. She behaved very badly in the dispute over Vlaams Belang, and I'll never see her in the same way again.

386 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:05:53pm

re: #370 coquimbojoe

I'm too busy handling snakes over here......

LOL!

387 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:05:55pm

re: #383 Cygnus

With hot Spotted Owl wings as an appetizer.

don't forget the snail datter soup !

388 hayseed  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:06:00pm

Hamas offers Isael a ten year truce...now where did that come from? the least little injustice to Muslims allways breaks the deal

389 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:06:22pm

re: #297 MandyManners

I will stand with fellow Christians (of varying degrees of thumping the Bible), Jews, Atheists, Buddhists, Bahaists, Zorastrianits, Shintoists, pagans and animists when it comes to combatting that which seeks to destroy all of us.

Great. Just great. Exclude the kindly Pastafarians.

390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:06:24pm

re: #380 sattv4u2

OT ,,, from the Goracle

"Despite the success of his film An Inconvenient Truth and last year’s Live Earth concerts in raising awareness, the former US Vice President believes little has changed where it counts and the situation is even more urgent.
cept his bank account !
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

"AL GORE wants to make a sequel to his Oscar-winning documentary on global warming"

Good ,,,, I need another day of napping in a theatre

Quite a bit has changed really. More people realize he is full of shit.

391 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:06:24pm

re: #377 mama winger
Geez, where ya been? Actually, it's probably better that you weren't around, for your own blood pressure, if nothing else.

392 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:06:39pm

I just spent my morning looking at dog poo under a microscope. Anybody got a strong drink with a pretty umbrella in it that I could borrow ?

393 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:06:58pm

re: #389 debutaunt

Great. Just great. Exclude the kindly Pastafarians.

but I ate their god.

with some nice red wine.

394 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:12pm

re: #372 LanceKates

The idea that we'd be better off if we just 'got rid of those christians' is not a new thought in conservative circles... it is, saddly, gaining steam as the younger generations were raised in a fairly anti-christian public school.

However, they are on sinking sand and will discover it when it is too late.

It isn't new, and it isn't going away. But we still ought to fight the notion that conservativism is 'better served' without religion.

Since when? Where?

395 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:19pm

re: #377 mama winger

Amen to that, Mandy.

*tackle*

missed ya.

396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:22pm

re: #360 LanceKates

Nice weather here too... lawn service is mowing the grass at the office, I can hear them go by.

Very relaxing sound.... and the smell is so sweet... unfortunately I can't smell it in the office... just when I left for lunch.

Always smells better when someone else mows it.

397 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:27pm

re: #98 LanceKates

Heh.. as long as you call us paisans and not WOPs, we're just fine... lol.

I'm Italian, German and Native American.

Get off my land or I'll invade you with my supply of meatballs.

lol.

Swedish meatballs!

/half Swedish, half mutt

398 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:35pm

re: #390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Quite a bit has changed really. More people realize he is full of shit.

his bank account has changed ,,,,, his girth has increased ,,,,,, he's even more annoying than he was while he was ignoring what the Clintons were doing in the White House ,,,,,

399 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:44pm

re: #394 MandyManners

Since when? Where?

since when where what?

400 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:51pm

re: #391 EC Marm

Geez, where ya been? Actually, it's probably better that you weren't around, for your own blood pressure, if nothing else.

I have been staring at parasites all day.

None of them crept in here, did they? Cuz I is off the clock.

401 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:51pm

Some days I miss Octopus. (sigh)

402 hayseed  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:10pm

whoops Charles I messed up. I should have sent that a different way

403 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:16pm
404 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:18pm

re: #396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Always smells better when someone else mows it.

LOL.. so very true, but I do enjoy a nice relaxing ride on a riding lawnmower.

Very peaceful with enough noise to drown out cars passing by.... Good meditating time.

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:21pm

re: #383 Cygnus

With hot Spotted Owl wings as an appetizer.

Hot Spotted Owl Wings? That will be repeated. Thanks.

406 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:31pm

re: #401 Peacekeeper

uccchhhh, but lololololol too!

407 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:32pm

re: #354 LanceKates

What is? Predicting that those who disagree with me will paint me out to be a bigot?

I only say it because it is how it works. Consistantly.

It isn't ME.... it is anyone who presents that argument.

Now, were you suggesting that?

Sigh.

I was suggesting that your "poor me" attitude is tiresome.

If people call you a bigot then argue your point as to why you are not one, but don't throw out the pity party line every time you make a statement that someone may not agree with our want clarification from you.

Not everyone who doesn't share your opinion thinks you are a bigot.

408 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:39pm

re: #377 mama winger

Amen to that, Mandy.

I believe that we can respect our differences--even squabble at times--and still triumph.

409 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:44pm

To be honest, I find it very offensive when one sect of Christians purports to speak for all of us Christians. A born again, a Methodist, a Baptist, they cannot speak for me, and I'd rather they not.

Being Catholic (part of the largest Christian demonimation in the US), I'm used to seeing people of the same sect of differing sides of an issue. There are liberation theologians who are less than one step removed from Marxists, and there are free market types like the late William Buckley. One cannot assume that a moonbat isn't religious, as one cannot assume a non-religious person is a moonbat. Moonbats come in all flavors (I've even seen born again ones).

For the pro-freedom/anti-jihad to be effective, we cannot simply discount those who are religious, nor assume they are necessarily lock-step in how they think about the wrld around them. Likewise, we cannot accept moonbats until they have disavowed that which really makes them moonbats in the first place. The dislike of these United States, it's Constitution and all that it stands for. The principles ensrined in the Constitution are what make us the pro-freedom/anti-jihad movement. Not any religion, not an specific sect, not our occupation, not where we live. None of that will matter anyway of we let the moonbats and the jihad win. For if they win, all that we have worked for since the Magna Carta will be in vain.

410 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:52pm

re: #397 Cygnus

Swedish meatballs!

/half Swedish, half mutt

Which half? Because I've got a half here too. Together we might make up one whole dumb Swede. :)

411 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:09:25pm

re: #379 LanceKates

That's why we fight. By words when possible, by force when needed.

Just about all that matters to me is that my son won't live in a world in which his wife wears a burkha.

412 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:09:43pm

Hillary needs our support.

Not that I or anyone else here would actually vote for Hillary, But it's to our benefit to keep this Democrat infighting going as long as we can.
Hillary was up by 2 points two days ago, now she's down by seven.

413 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:10:09pm

re: #408 MandyManners

I believe that we can respect our differences--even squabble at times--and still triumph.

Oh crap. Are we still squabbling? I hate it when we squabble. But making up is good too.

I say that in a purely asexual way.

414 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:10:12pm

re: #407 loppyd

I never claimed they did.

And now you're turning from the actual discussion to a post about how 'tiresome' I am.

Though, one interesting point:

If people call you a bigot then argue your point as to why you are not one,

No, If they're making the claim, then they need to provide the proof.

415 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:10:33pm

re: #389 debutaunt

Great. Just great. Exclude the kindly Pastafarians.

Oh, noez.

416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:10:52pm

re: #404 LanceKates

LOL.. so very true, but I do enjoy a nice relaxing ride on a riding lawnmower.

Very peaceful with enough noise to drown out cars passing by.... Good meditating time.

Once was on a riding mower ran over a snake that was so big that it stalled the mower. Ran like hell...was thinking, if it was that big, I must have just pissed it off.

417 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:10:53pm

re: #411 MandyManners

I agree.
And seperating out those deemed 'too christian' is a quick way for us all too lose.

418 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:10:54pm

re: #17 Ben Hur

Atlas must miss us.

I hope she will come around some day.

/like the prodigal son

419 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:11:29pm

re: #368 Cygnus

Some of us believe in Ceiling Cat.

And there's always Queen Mauve of the Last Thursdayists (and the heretical Last Tuesdayists).

420 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:11:37pm

re: #411 MandyManners

Just about all that matters to me is that my son won't live in a world in which his wife wears a burkha.


Well, he can move to Vermont and his husband can wear a Bhurka...

421 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:11:55pm

re: #411 MandyManners

Just about all that matters to me is that my son won't live in a world in which his wife wears wives wear a burkhas.

422 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:12:05pm

re: #378 bosforus

Please don't do that. I would suggest giving up on people that don't understand your point rather than giving up on your points.

Even better idea: try to (re-)articulate your points so that people who don't currently understand your PoV are able to.

/I'll skip the part about understanding not necessarily bringing agreement

423 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:12:35pm

re: #414 LanceKates

I never claimed they did.

And now you're turning from the actual discussion to a post about how 'tiresome' I am.

Though, one interesting point:

No, If they're making the claim, then they need to provide the proof.

Not how tiresome you are. How tiresome your tactics are.

Back to SCROLL mode.

424 eff plus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:12:50pm

I thought one of the greatest things I’ve ever heard Robert say was, IIRC, indeed at his now, unfortunately, controversial talk in Brussels, when he said (paraphrasing here, I wish I could remember the exact words, but I can’t) that we should remember not to over-blow sniping at one another simply because one of us doesn’t have exactly the same program as the other guy.

Ours is a nascent movement, and we need to stick together as much as possible and keep our eye on the big picture. I personally find myself allying with people now very strongly that before I learned about this issue a few years ago, I would have had very little in common with.

Don’t get me wrong – I can understand why LGF takes such a strong stand against European white nationalists. Believe me, I’ve got a lot of experience in Europe, and I know that is a major factor to contend with there. But in other cases sometimes it seems like people sometimes behave counter-productively in the face of differences that really pale in comparison to the global jihad we face.

425 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:12:57pm

re: #399 LanceKates

since when where what?


Who's on first?

426 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:13:09pm

Thank G-d the election in PencilVainYa is tomorrow. I've had Bill Clinton speak one mile south of me, Barack Obama speak two miles north, and pretty sure I saw Michelle in the parking lot of the local super market (buying overpriced lettuce, I guess) last week. Barack has spent 2 dollars for every 1 of Hillary's and the commercials on tv and radio have been incessant for weeks.
I need a vacation!

427 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:13:10pm

re: #419 Honorary Yooper

And there's always Queen Mauve of the Last Thursdayists (and the heretical Last Tuesdayists).

Sounds like a college band name

428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:13:13pm

re: #408 MandyManners

Mandy, your #297 is the best post I've seen in days. You is correct. Thanks.

429 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:13:31pm

re: #399 LanceKates

since when where what?

From your No. 372.

The idea that we'd be better off if we just 'got rid of those christians' is not a new thought in conservative circles... it is, saddly, gaining steam as the younger generations were raised in a fairly anti-christian public school.

430 bosforus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:13:49pm

re: #422 incanus

Even better idea: try to (re-)articulate your points so that people who don't currently understand your PoV are able to.

/I'll skip the part about understanding not necessarily bringing agreement

Yup. That would work too.

431 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:14:07pm

I thought this thread was supposed to be about Robert's article.

/ won't help at all ...but WTF, I'll give it a shot

432 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:14:34pm

re: #426 EC Marm

I need a vacation!

Come to Wisconsin. We can buy a case of Schlitz and go bowling.

433 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:14:40pm

re: #413 mama winger

Oh crap. Are we still squabbling? I hate it when we squabble. But making up is good too.

I say that in a purely asexual way.

I think we need a group hug.

((((((LGF))))))

434 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:15:16pm

re: #417 LanceKates

I agree.
And seperating out those deemed 'too christian' is a quick way for us all too lose.

It's not gonna' happen.

435 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:15:30pm

re: #431 BabbaZee

I thought this thread was supposed to be about Robert's article.

Sorry babba.

I am reprimanding myself even as we speak. I am typing this from the naughty chair.

436 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:15:41pm

re: #420 Peacekeeper

Well, he can move to Vermont and his husband can wear a Bhurka...

*rimshot*

437 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:15:47pm

re: #410 mama winger

I got to be at least half swed.

You can always tell a Sven, you just cant tell him much.

438 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:15:50pm

re: #424 eff plus

I see your point but what is lost is that somewhere along the line Pamela turned on Charles, it's really become personal now and not about doctrine. As I read it.

439 joncelli  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:16:00pm

re: #323 zombie

I suspect people are thinking in terms of the inner context of LGF rather than the outer context of the political landscape. I also suspect that your proposal, while interesting, is utopian.

440 TheUnrepentantGeek  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:16:05pm

re: #409 Honorary Yooper

Winner.

441 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:16:06pm

re: #433 MandyManners

I think we need a group hug.

((((((LGF))))))

That's an asexual hug..... right ?

442 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:16:07pm

re: #421 Kenneth

*shudder*

443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:16:27pm

re: #441 mama winger

That's an asexual hug..... right ?

Hell no!

444 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:16:38pm

re: #429 MandyManners

From your No. 372.

The idea that we'd be better off if we just 'got rid of those christians' is not a new thought in conservative circles... it is, saddly, gaining steam as the younger generations were raised in a fairly anti-christian public school.

Historically, there have been atheistic movements that were still conservative politically.

They tended to be rather tyrannical.

They also tended to end rather messily.

Such movements exist now and are occupied with the thought of a small government, but do not want to be associated with anything 'christian'

Which, in the United States, is their right.

However, given the number of christians who are conservative (and conservatives who are christian) such a movement has not had a good strong chance here.

As schools are moving away from any association with any christian, for the sake of pushing ammoral liberalism, when students grow up and pay taxes and dislike the idea of a big government, they will become more conservative, but that doesn't mean that they will necessarily adopt religion.

445 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:17:04pm

re: #433 MandyManners

Nobody wants to hug the peepee avatar

446 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:17:15pm

re: #437 DownRightMeanAmerican

I got to be at least half swed.


Do you swed a lot in the summertime?

447 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:17:16pm
#302 LanceKates

re: #297 MandyManners

I will stand with fellow Christians (of varying degrees of thumping the Bible), Jews, Atheists, Buddhists, Bahaists, Zorastrianits, Shintoists, pagans and animists when it comes to combatting that which seeks to destroy all of us.

As do I.

But are they willing to stand with us as well?

Bingo! That's exactly the point I'm trying to make:

However much you may feel slighted by this fact, most moonbats would NOT stand alongside fundamentalist Christians in any fight. And it is this unwavering distaste for fundamentalist Christianity that keep many moonbats pinned down in the moonbat camp, even though they have the urge to bolt.

If there was a place for them to run to, and find refuge in, that was anti-jihad yet not Christian, I believe many would bolt for that camp.

Such a place does not yet exist. Obviously. All I was doing was speculating that if such a place did exist, it would swell the ranks of the anti-jihad side considerably. And nobody who is currently also in various areas of the anti-jihad side needs to change anything about their beliefs, or feel "kicked to the curb," or be forced to wear an armband, or anything along those lines.

448 Pyrocles  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:17:24pm

Hopefully Israel knows better than to agree to a "hudna". This treaty would simply be used by Hamas to prepare for the final push to Israel's destruction - nothing more.

re: #388 hayseed

Hamas offers Isael a ten year truce...now where did that come from? the least little injustice to Muslims allways breaks the deal

449 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:17:30pm

re: #428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mandy, your #297 is the best post I've seen in days. You is correct. Thanks.

You want the money sent to your Swiss account or your PayPal account?

450 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:17:34pm

re: #443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hell no!

HAHAHA! :)

451 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:17:39pm

re: #445 Peacekeeper

Nobody wants to hug the peepee avatar

I wouldn't say nobody....

452 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:17:53pm

re: #423 loppyd

Not how tiresome you are. How tiresome your tactics are.

Back to SCROLL mode.

I guess I thought you better than that.

That's ok with me I guess. . . I'll do the same.

You were one of the ones I liked.

453 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:18:08pm

re: #441 mama winger

That's an asexual hug..... right ?

You betcha'!

454 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:18:32pm
455 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:18:51pm

re: #446 mama winger

Oh, do I.

456 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:18:59pm

re: #378 bosforus

The point could have been made without a blanket dump on those of us who think differently than she. Read 39

457 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:19:13pm

The Kid is home.

BBIAB!

458 hayseed  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:19:31pm

boy I'm behind in the comments

459 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:19:42pm

re: #441 mama winger

That's an asexual hug..... right ?

Depends on whose hand that was...

460 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:19:57pm

re: #458 hayseed

boy I'm behind in the comments

Commenting is a helluva way to catch up!

461 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:20:32pm

re: #447 zombie

You find people like me that off-putting? I never realized this. Wow. I guess I don't know what to say.

I'm not offended - truly. I guess I am more.... surprised, I guess is the word.

I feel kind of like the kid in the high school lunchroom who has to sit at the weirdo table. The one not cool enough for the cool kids.

I am not in any way disparaging your viewpoint zombie. I guess it just makes me sad to feel like I'm back at that lunch table again.

462 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:20:36pm

re: #452 LanceKates

I guess I thought you better than that.

That's ok with me I guess. . . I'll do the same.

You were one of the ones I liked.

Better than what? Disagreeing with the sainted Lance?

I scroll over your posts when they become ALL ABOUT YOU and YOU make them that way.

463 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:21:02pm

re: #447 zombie

As I read it your proposing another variant of "big-tent" _____.

464 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:21:08pm

re: #400 mama winger


Did you like the Eiffle Tower, the Arc de Triumph and the Notre Dame Cathedral?

465 sparrowlake  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:21:11pm

re: #408 MandyManners

I believe that we can respect our differences--even squabble at times--and still triumph.

I'll have my squabble with mashed potatoes and gravy please.

466 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:21:23pm

re: #447 zombie

Zombie, I believe that Christians would embrace you a lot quicker then the secular leftists would.

And that should count for something.

467 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:21:58pm

re: #307 Peacekeeper

Boy , you in the wrong place...

Apparently I am in the wrong place, according to a lot of people. I suddenly feel very much like an outsider on LGF.

468 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:22:23pm

re: #447 zombie

Bingo! That's exactly the point I'm trying to make:

However much you may feel slighted by this fact, most moonbats would NOT stand alongside fundamentalist Christians in any fight. And it is this unwavering distaste for fundamentalist Christianity that keep many moonbats pinned down in the moonbat camp, even though they have the urge to bolt.

If there was a place for them to run to, and find refuge in, that was anti-jihad yet not Christian, I believe many would bolt for that camp.

Such a place does not yet exist. Obviously. All I was doing was speculating that if such a place did exist, it would swell the ranks of the anti-jihad side considerably. And nobody who is currently also in various areas of the anti-jihad side needs to change anything about their beliefs, or feel "kicked to the curb," or be forced to wear an armband, or anything along those lines.

See, I disagree that this place does not exist - quite frankly, it's a large portion of America. Joe Sixpack is not the first person I expect to see when I open the church door, but I sure do expect Joe to be pissed off at Jihadis, care about America, wonder why anyone gives a damn about CAIR, etc.

As another poster stated, moonbats have a serious flaw: they hate America. They fear jihadis but they hope that they can negotiate with them somehow, if they can just move this misguided country away from its nationalistic and capitalist tendencies.

How is that going to play with ol' Joe?

469 Render  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:22:29pm

(((Mama Winger)))

(((Zombie)))

IN
BETWEEN,
R

470 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:22:51pm

re: #464 Widow'smight

Did you like the Eiffle Tower, the Arc de Triumph and the Notre Dame Cathedral?

I wish I could find them amidst the dog poop, but alas .......

all I find is coccidia

471 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:22:51pm

re: #229 Robert Spencer

Sorry I didn't mean to offend or smear you in any way. When the controversy about the conference broke we were all surprised here at some of the political parties involved. We were all unaware of this before the conference. Pamela was a very vocal supporter of Vlaams Belang here and on her blog and feels that they should be included in antiJihad movement. Her personal attacks against Charles are none of my business, he defends himself just fine. What matters to me is her support of an openly racist political party.
Vlaams Belang has learned that by hiding their antisemitism and adopting a proIsrael position that they can gain legitimacy in antiJihad circles. The BNP is also starting to adapt this strategy. I think it's problematic for us to allow the parties and their supporters in our midst. It helps them and only hurts us. I'm glad you're speaking out against racist politics and look forward to more of it in the future.
Keep up the good work.

472 eff plus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:22:56pm

re: #438 Peacekeeper

I understand, I wasn't speaking about anyone specifically. It's just something I try to keep in mind in a general way.

473 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:23:04pm

I don't dig big tent whatever, it's one of those theories that never seems to work...

474 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:23:15pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

I looked over there, and saw two posts (actually two parts to the same topic) taking issue with another's interpretation of scripture. Not exactly "gay-bashing". I can tell that he's a Protestant, and probably evangelical.

475 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:23:22pm

re: #438 Peacekeeper

I see your point but what is lost is that somewhere along the line Pamela turned on Charles, it's really become personal now and not about doctrine. As I read it.


Andrew Bostom rushed to her defense..I no longer link anything he writes.

476 marjoriemoon  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:23:29pm

Zombie, still here? I get ya hon. And you're right.

The more people that understand the anti-Jihad fight, the better off we'll be and the less idiot protests we'll see in S.F. right? Or that may put you outa business hehe...

Much of the Left sees the Right as fundamentalists, blindly ruled by religion and out of touch. It's just as ridiculous as marking all the Left as moonbats... but I won't go there :)

Although I would say you could remove religion from this argument and still be on the correct side of the argument. As to the Middle East in general, Jews have populated Israel for 3500 yrs (either ruling or being ruled) so this is as much a political argument as it is a religious one. The fight for that land also revolves around its strategic position as much as religion. Personally, I see it as both things.

As to the anti-Jihad movement, that might be trickier. The Left sees it as unfair to alienate all Muslims, particularly those that fled their mother countries of oppression for a better life in the West. I think if there were more support from the both our communities and the Muslim communities for the anti-Jihad fight, that would move them to the correct side.

477 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:23:36pm

re: #467 zombie

Apparently I am in the wrong place, according to a lot of people. I suddenly feel very much like an outsider on LGF.

That's weird. I feel the same way. Maybe we are both wrong, eh ? :)

478 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:23:43pm

re: #467 zombie

Apparently I am in the wrong place, according to a lot of people. I suddenly feel very much like an outsider on LGF.

No, you are in the right place.
So is Mama Winger. We're all in the right place.

We all have more in common then we have in disagreement.

479 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:23:52pm

re: #466 DesertSage

Zombie, I believe that Christians would embrace you a lot quicker then the secular leftists would.

And that should count for something.

I believe they do already.

480 wolfie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:24:02pm

re: #465 sparrowlake

I'll have my squabble with mashed potatoes and gravy please.

I was going to object to your usage, but after consulting the dictionary I see that you are correct. SQUABBLE is, indeed, the plural of SQUAB.

481 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:24:37pm

re: #330 MandyManners

I'm offended by that statement.

Offensitivity!

/Bloom County

482 redstateredneck  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:24:44pm

re: #461 mama winger

I'll sit by you, mama, but you gotta share your dessert.

483 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:24:44pm

re: #447 zombie

Bingo! That's exactly the point I'm trying to make:

However much you may feel slighted by this fact, most moonbats would NOT stand alongside fundamentalist Christians in any fight. And it is this unwavering distaste for fundamentalist Christianity that keep many moonbats pinned down in the moonbat camp, even though they have the urge to bolt.

If their desire to be rid of Islamic Terrorism is so weak so as to be overpowered by their dislike of anyone who believes in Christ, why is it I ought to trust them in a foxhole?

If there was a place for them to run to, and find refuge in, that was anti-jihad yet not Christian, I believe many would bolt for that camp.

There are non-christian conservative groups. They do exist. Just as there are nonchristian conservatives. Occasional Reader is a GREAT example.

All I was doing was speculating that if such a place did exist, it would swell the ranks of the anti-jihad side considerably.

I would disagree in that such groups DO exist, yet are still small in number. The Log Cabin Republicans is an example of a non-christian conservative group. Yet they are looked upon with scorn by the homosexual groups as a whole.

There are conservative Jews. Too many conservative jewish people are looked upon with scorn by the liberal jews around the world.

There are conservative atheists. They also agree that fighting islamic terrorism is important.

So, why again, is the focus on getting rid of (or at the very least, publically seperating from) christianity for the sake of fighting terrorism?

They're wanting to turn our sandbox into glass and built a mosque here and you're suggesting that we seperate into even smaller, squabbling groups?

484 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:24:45pm

re: #393 LanceKates

but I ate their god.

with some nice red wine.

But there will be unending pasta - BYORW.

485 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:24:55pm

re: #478 DesertSage

You are a good guy, Sage.

486 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:25:30pm

re: #482 redstateredneck

I'll sit by you, mama, but you gotta share your dessert.

Dessert? This is Christian school. They skip dessert and give you extra lima beans.

487 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:25:38pm

re: #467 zombie

It's just one of those days.

488 Sol Roth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:25:40pm

re: #467 zombie

Apparently I am in the wrong place, according to a lot of people. I suddenly feel very much like an outsider on LGF.

You are not an outsider here. You have contributed more to LGF and the fight against Marxism than I certainly have, I dare say, than most of us have.

489 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:26:03pm

re: #486 mama winger

Dessert? This is Christian school. They skip dessert and give you extra lima beans.

But what about whirled peas?

490 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:26:03pm

re: #462 loppyd

Better than what? Disagreeing with the sainted Lance?

I scroll over your posts when they become ALL ABOUT YOU and YOU make them that way.

Well.

Piss off.

491 Charles  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:26:08pm

So ... everybody ready for another thread about Ben Stein's movie?

Kidding!

492 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:26:23pm

re: #475 storagemanager

because it is personal we need to butt the heel out.

493 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:26:29pm

re: #467 zombie

Apparently I am in the wrong place, according to a lot of people. I suddenly feel very much like an outsider on LGF.

To the contrary, zombie!

494 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:26:39pm

re: #341 LanceKates

"Bible-thumping" christians, to too many, are the christians who've read one.

"Bible-believing Christian" isn't the same as "Bible-thumper"!

495 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:27:03pm

re: #491 Charles

So ... everybody ready for another thread about Ben Stein's movie?

Kidding!

Slowly they turned...

496 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:27:07pm

re: #491 Charles

So ... everybody ready for another thread about Ben Stein's movie?

Kidding!

Wow, you scared the shit out of me for a moment there, Charles!

497 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:27:24pm

re: #490 LanceKates

Well.

Piss off.

Lovely....and so eloquent.

You made my point for me.

498 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:27:58pm

re: #494 Cygnus

"Bible-believing Christian" isn't the same as "Bible-thumper"!

you and I agree.

But that isn't what those who use 'bible-thumper' in a negative light always have to say, when pressed about it.

499 wolfie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:28:13pm

re: #486 mama winger

Dessert? This is Christian school. They skip dessert and give you extra lima beans.

Damn. Then I'm converting to Pastafarianism.

500 bosforus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:28:18pm

re: #467 zombie

Apparently I am in the wrong place, according to a lot of people. I suddenly feel very much like an outsider on LGF.

Sometimes it just takes a little while longer to find common ground and understanding than other times. It looks like everyone may have started a bit farther apart on your last 2 'discussions'.

501 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:28:19pm

re: #470 mama winger

Aren't those the little bugs that come around every 17 years and make that turble racket? Then they leave there molted shells all over the place.

502 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:28:24pm

re: #491 Charles

So ... everybody ready for another thread about Ben Stein's movie?

Kidding!

Oooh! OOH! Do Terry Schiavo!

503 Ma Sands  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:28:33pm

re: #413 mama winger

Oh crap. Are we still squabbling? I hate it when we squabble.


You betcha --"that" thread is still going, apace..... :)

504 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:28:37pm

re: #491 Charles

So ... everybody ready for another thread about Ben Stein's movie?

Kidding!

You have an evil streak don't you.

505 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:28:43pm

re: #467 zombie

Apparently I am in the wrong place, according to a lot of people. I suddenly feel very much like an outsider on LGF.

You're not as much an outsider as you may feel right now. There are a lot of other Christians who aren't always very comfortable with fundamentalists. I'll be quite frank here. I'm not really fond of either them or secular leftists. But, when it comes down to the pro-freedom/anti-jihad, they seem to have a better understanding than the secular left, and seem to be on my side against the jihad.

That's why we're here after all. We: Killgore, Lance, Mama Winger, EC Marm, Render, Kirly, Occasional Reader, BabbaZee, Mandy, Charles, me, and you. We, as varied as we are, and maybe as uncomfortable as we can be with each other, are here because we are all part of the pro-freedom/anti-jihad.

You, Zombie, are hardly in the wrong place, and could not be more in the right place.

506 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:28:46pm

re: #499 wolfie

Damn. Then I'm converting to Pastafarianism.

Smart move. They get Twinkies.

507 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:28:48pm

re: #497 loppyd

Yup, I guess I did. Of course, it doesn't matter that you're the one who turns to mocking or insults.

All that matters is that you justify it.

Again, loppyd.... You were one I liked.

Piss off.

508 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:29:14pm

re: #467 zombie

(((zombie)))

We can get along
.

509 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:29:18pm

re: #503 Ma Sands

You betcha --"that" thread is still going, apace..... :)

Oh gee Ma.

what a couple of days, eh? I may have to go back to looking at poo.

510 Charles  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:29:20pm

re: #502 Peacekeeper

Oooh! OOH! Do Terry Schiavo!

Maybe a Mel Gibson/Terry Schiavo/Charles Darwin thread.

511 joncelli  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:29:23pm

re: #467 zombie

Okay, EVERYBODY: "Ebony and i-vor-y..." Why isn't anybody singing...?

512 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:29:23pm

Getting back on topic -

A fracturing of the anti-jihad movement will do none of us any good. That being said, all should reject the white supremacists and their attempts to latch on to the movement.

We conservatives splintered during the primary, and now we have John McCain as a nominee. We can't afford to splinter when it comes to fighting the jihadis.

513 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:29:41pm

re: #487 Peacekeeper

It's just one of those days.


471 Killgore Trout ....read that...he is to the point.

514 Charles  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:29:59pm

I forgot the Pope.

515 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:30:07pm

re: #502 Peacekeeper

Oooh! OOH! Do Terry Schiavo!

Go sit in the naughty chair.

516 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:30:18pm
517 wolfie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:30:20pm

re: #505 Honorary Yooper

AMEN, Yooper. AMEN

518 Ma Sands  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:30:22pm

re: #502 Peacekeeper

I tell ya --every time you make a comment, and I catch sight of your nic, I am so startled.....


/ :)

519 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:30:33pm

re: #270 Charles

The people who run Gates of Vienna have made it very clear where they stand, and I have no interest in sending any traffic to their site. Posting links to them in a comment is not going to make me feel very friendly toward you.

Charles, I was not trying to be unfriendly, and I will refrain from linking to any site(s) according to your expressed wishes.

520 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:30:36pm

re: #505 Honorary Yooper

I'm offended that you left me off of the list.
:'(

/must be in the wrong place

521 joncelli  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:30:42pm

re: #510 Charles

Oh Christ, let's just have an old-fashioned melee and see who's standing at the end. [sigh].

522 redstateredneck  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:31:03pm

re: #510 Charles

Maybe a Mel Gibson/Terry Schiavo/Charles Darwin thread.

Throw the "a" word in there for good measure.

523 Charles  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:31:07pm

Gotta work Ann Coulter in there somehow too.

524 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:31:14pm

re: #522 redstateredneck

aardvark?

525 wolfie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:31:21pm

re: #506 mama winger

Smart move. They get Twinkies.

Not canoli? tira misu?..... cheese cake?

526 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:31:30pm

re: #471 Killgore Trout

Sorry I didn't mean to offend or smear you in any way. When the controversy about the conference broke we were all surprised here at some of the political parties involved. We were all unaware of this before the conference. Pamela was a very vocal supporter of Vlaams Belang here and on her blog and feels that they should be included in antiJihad movement. Her personal attacks against Charles are none of my business, he defends himself just fine. What matters to me is her support of an openly racist political party.
Vlaams Belang has learned that by hiding their antisemitism and adopting a proIsrael position that they can gain legitimacy in antiJihad circles. The BNP is also starting to adapt this strategy. I think it's problematic for us to allow the parties and their supporters in our midst. It helps them and only hurts us. I'm glad you're speaking out against racist politics and look forward to more of it in the future.
Keep up the good work.


Not commenting, just moving down toward the bottom to ensure that this is seen. Well said.

527 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:31:33pm

Islam is the enemy.

528 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:31:43pm
529 paxnhymn  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:31:49pm

re: #407 loppyd


"Not everyone who doesn't share your opinion thinks you are a bigot".

really? DAMN! I was hoping so; that way they'd leave me the f alone!
My dad had a saying..."if you ain't writin' my paycheck, feedin' me or sleepin' with me, I don't give a rat's ass if you don't wanna be my friend!"...


{lops}

530 wolfie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:32:21pm

re: #510 Charles

Charles, you magnificent bastard!

531 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:32:26pm

re: #527 storagemanager

Islam is the enemy.

And Peacekeeper.

532 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:32:29pm

re: #523 Charles

Gotta work Ann Coulter in there somehow too.

Rosie and Whoopi would feel left out, and Randi Rhodes

533 marjoriemoon  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:32:37pm

re: #491 Charles

So ... everybody ready for another thread about Ben Stein's movie?

Kidding!

Charles, you know how to pick em! Is that thread up to 2000 yet? lol

534 joncelli  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:32:56pm

re: #467 zombie

Don't lose heart, Zombie. Just a family quarrel. Go for a walk, come back for the dead thread, and we'll proceed as if nothing happened.

535 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:33:08pm

re: #410 mama winger

Which half? Because I've got a half here too. Together we might make up one whole dumb Swede. :)

My dad was a (not so dumb) Swede. LOL, though!

536 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:33:14pm

re: #510 Charles

Maybe a Mel Gibson/Terry Schiavo/Charles Darwin thread.

Chaos approaches unity.

537 snowcrash  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:33:32pm

Maybe we could work John Hagee in to this thread too.

538 bosforus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:33:36pm

re: #523 Charles

If you wrote some kind of script that counted the number of hateful words in the comments and then turned that into some sort of graphic like a controversy-meter that would probably be somewhat entertaining.

539 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:33:39pm

re: #447 zombie

If there was a place for them to run to, and find refuge in, that was anti-jihad yet not Christian, I believe many would bolt for that camp.

Such a place does not yet exist. Obviously. All I was doing was speculating that if such a place did exist, it would swell the ranks of the anti-jihad side considerably. And nobody who is currently also in various areas of the anti-jihad side needs to change anything about their beliefs, or feel "kicked to the curb," or be forced to wear an armband, or anything along those lines.

There are many non-Christian anti-jihaders: Pro-Israel Jews, Hindus, atheists like Christopher Hitchens, and true liberals like Paul Berman. Would-be anti-jihad liberals, leftists and former moonbats are welcome to join them. To suggest these moonbats haven't bolted their comrades because they're scare of Christians is absurd. They fear Christians because they are still moonbats.

540 Sol Roth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:33:43pm

How about a speed-metal appreciation thread?

541 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:33:45pm

re: #491 Charles

So ... everybody ready for another thread about Ben Stein's movie?

Kidding!


LOL. I stayed out of that one. Believe it or not I taught Science in a religious school. It takes me ten minutes to process what I want to write. Old habit about processing the reply through the official Church filter, my Science filter, then my own personal belief filter. A child who said their father read an article about dinosaur footprints next to a set of human footprints almost did me in once. I think the father put the kid up to it.

542 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:33:46pm

re: #511 joncelli

Okay, EVERYBODY: "Ebony and i-vor-y..." Why isn't anybody singing...?

You are black and I am white
You are blind as a bat
And I have sight

Side by side, you are my amigo, negro
Let's not fight!

/best SNL skit ever?

543 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:33:47pm

re: #507 LanceKates

Yup, I guess I did. Of course, it doesn't matter that you're the one who turns to mocking or insults.

All that matters is that you justify it.

Again, loppyd.... You were one I liked.

Piss off.

Actually, that is a perfect description of your M.O. You have derailed entire threads to justify yourself.

I am done.

Feel free to tell me to piss off again if it satisfies you in some way.

544 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:33:53pm

re: #463 Peacekeeper

As I read it your proposing another variant of "big-tent" _____.

...and I don't buy it either. The moonbats are going to have to come around to our way of thinking/viewpoint, so if they wanna come and play in our sandbox they're gonna have to drop the "aversion" to "Bible-thumping Christians".

If y'all really knew what I think of some of your "beliefs", you'd toss me out in a second or excoriate me so badly I'd take my marbles and go home. But I don't, because our commonality is the fight against jihad, not what each of us espouse other than the anti-jihad. Your (non)belief is not salient to what we want to happen here at LGF.

Yes, even Zombie, whom I disagree with (a lot!) but whom I respect for his/her viewpoint and especially for his/her work! Same goes for Mr. Spencer.

JAFLW

/And, no, I don't even begin to know the answers, just some of the questions. 42

545 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:33:57pm

I would very much like to discuss embryonic stem cell research if we could work that in somehow.

546 Ma Sands  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:34:05pm

re: #527 storagemanager

And not puppies, nor your wife, nor little kids!


/ :)

547 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:34:26pm

re: #526 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks.

548 Hillbilly Geek  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:34:29pm

re: #447 zombie

Bingo! That's exactly the point I'm trying to make:

However much you may feel slighted by this fact, most moonbats would NOT stand alongside fundamentalist Christians in any fight. And it is this unwavering distaste for fundamentalist Christianity that keep many moonbats pinned down in the moonbat camp, even though they have the urge to bolt.

If there was a place for them to run to, and find refuge in, that was anti-jihad yet not Christian, I believe many would bolt for that camp.

Such a place does not yet exist. Obviously. All I was doing was speculating that if such a place did exist, it would swell the ranks of the anti-jihad side considerably. And nobody who is currently also in various areas of the anti-jihad side needs to change anything about their beliefs, or feel "kicked to the curb," or be forced to wear an armband, or anything along those lines.

Zomb:
we see this in the homeschooling community: "secular" homeschoolers, who are usually of the ...well, leftward-leaning sort, and/or agnostic/atheist/wiccan, don't want to join in the existing homeschooling groups, usually longstanding organizations started in the early days of the movement, also usually by Christians. They want "secular" groups, because of "all our Bible thumping": however, most of these groups are not terribly religious in nature, and try to be inclusive.
Usually, these people say they would join our groups if we would only quit talking about anything remotely connected with the bible and our faith. ever again.

549 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:34:47pm

re: #491 Charles

So ... everybody ready for another thread about Ben Stein's movie?

Kidding!

Can we give Charles a timeout?

Kidding!

550 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:34:50pm

re: #447 zombie

However much you may feel slighted by this fact, most moonbats would NOT stand alongside fundamentalist Christians in any fight.

Frankly, I am very vvery much complimented by this fact. It does however, contradict this, at least if you want to do anything about it:

And nobody who is currently also in various areas of the anti-jihad side needs to change anything about their beliefs, or feel "kicked to the curb,"


If you have two incompatible groups of people, perhaps you should stick with the ones you know support you already rather than the ones you think *might* support you? (or rather, support our cause, freedom, which moonbats aren't too fond of to begin with.)

Besides, I think being in Berkley so much as misinformed you about the number of moonbats compared to Christians..

551 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:34:53pm
552 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:35:03pm

re: #545 mama winger

I would very much like to discuss embryonic stem cell research if we could work that in somehow.

You're a glutton for punishment, Mama.

553 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:35:06pm

re: #520 DesertSage

I'm offended that you left me off of the list.
:'(

/must be in the wrong place

Sorry. Just pulled a few representative names off the top of my head, names of people with very different viewpoints.

/I'll remember next time ;-)

554 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:35:17pm

re: #521 joncelli

Oh Christ, let's just have an old-fashioned melee and see who's standing at the end. [sigh].

Donnybrook!

555 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:35:36pm

I think a thread to discuss the merits of the great combination of Beer and chocolate, two great tastes which do taste great together

556 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:35:45pm

re: #533 marjoriemoon

Charles, you know how to pick em! Is that thread up to 2000 yet? lol

Well past. I think it's over 2100 last I looked.

557 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:36:00pm

re: #529 paxnhymn

"Not everyone who doesn't share your opinion thinks you are a bigot".

really? DAMN! I was hoping so; that way they'd leave me the f alone!
My dad had a saying..."if you ain't writin' my paycheck, feedin' me or sleepin' with me, I don't give a rat's ass if you don't wanna be my friend!"...


{lops}

Wise man, that Papa Pax!

{Pax}

558 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:36:02pm

re: #554 CyanSnowHawk

Donnybrook!

THUNDERDOME!

559 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:36:11pm

re: #467 zombie

Apparently I am in the wrong place, according to a lot of people. I suddenly feel very much like an outsider on LGF.

Dammit, Zombie, you are not in the wrong place. So we disagree on some fundamental issues, we agree on many other important ones...the one's that will keep us alive to continue our, er, polite discussions of our differences.

I am a member of the Mormon church. Boy howdy do people take after my beliefs here and other places. (If I wanted people to always say nice things or agree with me I'd hang out at happysmileypeople.utah.blogspot.crap, or some such)It is good to air differences, nicely and sometimes not so nicely, but it is better to at least understand the other views. I doubt any of our arguments in the past day have changed any minds. They certainly have been lively, entertaining and, very educational. I keep in mind that we are not fellow travelers on everything, but on some very important things, we are.

Not get out there and take pictures of that inflated scrotum. That'll cheer you up! A 100 bucks if you can get the guy to paste an Obama sticker on it.

560 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:36:27pm

re: #543 loppyd

Actually, that is a perfect description of your M.O. You have derailed entire threads to justify yourself.

I am done.

Feel free to tell me to piss off again if it satisfies you in some way.

Piss off.

561 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:36:36pm

re: #552 DesertSage

You're a glutton for punishment, Mama.

In a purely asexual way.

562 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:36:50pm

I know what. Let's talk about abortion!

*rad*

563 paxnhymn  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:36:52pm

re: #557 loppyd

yep. miss the hell outta that ol' coonass....

564 marjoriemoon  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:36:58pm

re: #523 Charles

Gotta work Ann Coulter in there somehow too.

rofl Now that would be WWIII or is it IV. I'm losing count.

565 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:36:59pm

re: #544 Just Another Four-letter Word

Mega-updings. Well said.

566 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:37:15pm

re: #491 Charles

So ... everybody ready for another thread about Ben Stein's movie?

Kidding!

Not. Funny. I can't handle all the script errors of the long threads....

567 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:38:11pm

I only post in one category in the spin-off links now...Islam..that can keep me busy for hours.

568 joncelli  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:38:35pm

re: #558 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can we get Tina Turner in the Mad Max getup?

569 wolfie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:38:37pm

re: #545 mama winger

I would very much like to discuss embryonic stem cell research if we could work that in somehow.

Oatmeal with butter and salt vs. oatmeal w/ milk and sugar.
My parents worked this one to the brink of divorce from time to time.

570 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:38:38pm

Ford or Chevy?

PC or Mac?

Pepsi or Coke?

571 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:38:41pm

re: #461 mama winger

You find people like me that off-putting? I never realized this. Wow. I guess I don't know what to say.

I'm not offended - truly. I guess I am more.... surprised, I guess is the word.

I feel kind of like the kid in the high school lunchroom who has to sit at the weirdo table. The one not cool enough for the cool kids.

I am not in any way disparaging your viewpoint zombie. I guess it just makes me sad to feel like I'm back at that lunch table again.

Where exactly do I describe my own opinions? Or my opinions about you?

Nowhere.

You don't have to sit at the weirdo table.

I probably won't be commenting on LGF for a while. I have successfully been driven off, intentionally or not.

572 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:38:41pm

re: #562 MandyManners

I know what. Let's talk about abortion!

*rad*

Posted without looking up-thread. Has that been suggested already?

573 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:39:42pm

re: #506 mama winger

Smart move. They get Twinkies.

For Communion?

574 marjoriemoon  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:39:48pm

re: #556 Honorary Yooper

Well past. I think it's over 2100 last I looked.

LOL popular topic eh? who'da thunk it :p

575 Racer X  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:39:58pm

I think it is great that posters on this sight CAN and DO get along, even though many do not agree on every issue.

/cue new thread

576 joncelli  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:40:27pm

re: #569 wolfie

Ugh. Who the hell uses butter and salt? Some kind of INFIDEL DEFILER!?!111

577 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:40:52pm

re: #501 Widow'smight

Aren't those the little bugs that come around every 17 years and make that turble racket? Then they leave there molted shells all over the place.

Those are cicadas. And, oh yes, they do make a lot of noise!

578 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:41:04pm

re: #575 Racer X

I think it is great that posters on this sight CAN and DO get along, even though many do not agree on every issue.

/cue new thread

So, whaddaya think about the movie coming out? How big is your part?

579 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:41:17pm
580 sparrowlake  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:41:24pm

Bingo.
Bongo.
Bango.
Banjo.

581 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:41:33pm

re: #578 coquimbojoe

So, whaddaya think about the movie coming out? How big is your part?

That was number 4000 for me!

582 Render  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:41:40pm

re: #520 DesertSage

I saved ya a spot over here on the Group W bench with me.

INCOMING!,
R

583 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:41:49pm

Lest we forget.

I speak peace when peace is spoken, But I speak war when your hate is provoking, The season is open 24-7-365, Man up yo time to ride, No need to hide behind slogans of deceit, Claiming that you're a religion of peace, We just don't believe you, We can clearly see through, The madness that you're feeding your people, Jihad the cry of your unholy war, Using the willing, the weak and poor, From birth drowning in propaganda, rhetoric and slander, All we can say is damn ya

My forefathers fought and died for this here
I'm stronger than your war of fear
Are we clear?
If you step in my hood
It's understood
It's open season

I don't need a faith that's blind, Where death and hate bring me peace of mind, With views that are stuck deep in the seventh century, So much sand in your eyes to blind to see, The venom that you leaders preach, Is the path to your own destruction, Your own demise, You might say that I don't understand but your disgust for me is what I realize, Surprise!
Your homicidal ways has got the whole world watching, Whole world scoping, So if you bring it to my home base, Best believe it, The season's open

I see you, Hell yeah I see you, Motherfucker naw, I don't wanna be you, If you come to my place, I'll drop more than just some bass, Yo you'll get a taste of a, Sick motherfucker from the Dirty, I ain't worrying not a fucking bit, I'm telescoping like Hubble, Yo you in trouble, Yo on the double, I'm wild with mine, Bring that style with mine, Fuck with my family I'll end your life, Just the way it is, Just the way it be, Do you understand? No matter if you're woman or man, or child, My profile is crazy, That shit you do doesn't amaze me, I'm ready to blaze thee

I don't give a damn what god you claim, I've seen the innocent that you've slain, On my streets you're just fair game, Like a pig walk to your slaughter, The heat here is so much hotter, And my views won't teeter totter or fluctuate, Step to me you just met your fate, And I'll annihilate, With the skill of a Shogun assassin, Slicing and dicing precise with a passion, In any shape form or fashion, Bring it to my home, Welcome to the danger zone, Cause your attitude's the reason, The triggers keep squeezing, The hunt is on and it's open season

It's Open Season

584 Ma Sands  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:42:04pm

re: #571 zombie

But I still love you nevertheless, zombie..... :)

585 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:42:15pm

re: #571 zombie


I probably won't be commenting on LGF for a while. I have successfully been driven off, intentionally or not.


You haven't been driven off. You floated a 'trial balloon' and discovered that some people had an issue with it.
We disagree.
Tomorrow, on a different topic, we agree.

586 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:42:43pm

re: #527 storagemanager

Islam is the enemy.

As long as all of us keep that in mind, we can "share the same tent".

JAFLW

587 Sol Roth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:42:57pm

re: #571 zombie

Where exactly do I describe my own opinions? Or my opinions about you?

Nowhere.

You don't have to sit at the weirdo table.

I probably won't be commenting on LGF for a while. I have successfully been driven off, intentionally or not.

I've done that a few times. Lot's of people care about you here, don't forget that.

588 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:43:04pm

re: #577 Cygnus

Those are cicadas. And, oh yes, they do make a lot of noise!

in his youth, my father used to catch them, tie a string around a leg and let them fly in circles around him.

589 redstateredneck  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:43:05pm

re: #572 MandyManners

Posted without looking up-thread. Has that been suggested already?


I didn't have the nerve to spell it out...called it the "a" word.

590 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:43:07pm

re: #571 zombie

Dammit zombie, you're not going anywhere!
You're needed right here!

591 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:43:08pm

re: #571 zombie

Zombie- sheesh. I got nuthin. Come back soon.

592 Render  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:43:25pm

re: #571 zombie

Please stay.

SERIOUSLY,
R

593 looking closely  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:43:29pm

re: #181 loppyd

OT: SCREAMING DRUDGE HEADLINE

CLINTON INTERNALS SHOW 11-POINT LEAD IN PA


The better Clinton does in PA, the more nasty things are going to get at (or after) the Dem convention.

594 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:43:36pm

re: #577 Cygnus

Those are cicadas. And, oh yes, they do make a lot of noise!

When I was a kid, I used to hold them between my fingers, which made them buzz angrily. Pissed 'em off, I imagine. I also used to spike them like a football.

/insect cruelty!

595 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:44:15pm

re: #582 Render

I saved ya a spot over here on the Group W bench with me.

INCOMING!,
R

I feel honored!

596 tappin52  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:44:16pm

With regard to the subject of who is in the tent:
To look at a diamond from only one angle is to see only some of its beauty. All facets must be appreciated from all angles and planes, lest you miss extraordinary beauty or even a flaw. The value of the diamond is not fully known until all angles are considered.

597 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:44:56pm

re: #571 zombie

Please do not feel driven off on my account, zombie. Perhaps I mis-understood the thrust of your post. I did come late to the thread. As I said in my remarks to you - I do not take offense. I was simply saddened by the fact that people would see people like me, conservative Christians, as someone they would rather not associate with, and as a stumbling block to joining the anti-jihad movement. It makes me sad is all. And if I have contributed to that negative feeling I do apologize sincerely.

598 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:45:11pm

re: #583 MandyManners

Gah, that is even worse than Lance's pout or Zombie's rout.

599 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:45:18pm

I have to admit, if the idea of standing up to totalitarianism by folks who are looking to disembark from leftist circles,

(by numbers alone, a grander scale than Nazism presented to the world)

but somehow, the premise of doing such is forfeited by resulting articulation with Christians they abhor, subsequently, this keeps them entrenched, is illogical.

The very same faithful share a country with them that somehow still manages to allow everyone an opportunity they would otherwise perish the thought in an islamic domain.

Quite frankly, it is suicidal.

No Christian has the capability to impose limits comparable to what a Taliban type of government could impose.

600 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:45:20pm

re: #593 looking closely

The better Clinton does in PA, the more nasty things are going to get at (or after) the Dem convention.

I know! Isn't it beautiful?

601 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:45:40pm

re: #571 zombie


I probably won't be commenting on LGF for a while. I have successfully been driven off, intentionally or not.

That there is some crazy talk, Zombie.

602 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:46:00pm

re: #598 Peacekeeper

Gah, that is even worse than Lance's pout or Zombie's rout.

where did you get that picture? I told them that I wouldn't look good in boxers....

603 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:46:08pm

Yes, don't give up, Zombie. You've earned a lot of respect from Christians, for your patriotic photo essays, and also your coverage last year of the competing Roe v. Wade marches in SF. Props to you.

604 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:46:34pm

re: #598 Peacekeeper

Gah, that is even worse than Lance's pout or Zombie's rout.

Shaddup, booger-eater.

605 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:46:53pm

re: #577 Cygnus

We just had them a couple years ago, should be save till the world ends.

606 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:47:18pm

re: #589 redstateredneck

I didn't have the nerve to spell it out...called it the "a" word.

I threw out the word Mormon, maybe the beat down could begin on that? Oh? No Romney in the race? Well how about those creepy FLDS idjits? Did Texas CPS do right by them? Discuss.

607 redstateredneck  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:47:33pm

re: #600 loppyd

I know! Isn't it beautiful?

Operation Chaos.

608 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:47:38pm

re: #604 MandyManners

Shaddup, booger-eater.

To the naughty chair for you!

/five minutes. i'll set the timer.

609 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:47:40pm

re: #604 MandyManners

Shaddup, booger-eater.

Now you've gone and done it. This thread was respectable up to that point. then you had to go and start talking about boogers.

610 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:47:59pm

re: #607 redstateredneck

Operation Chaos.

Oh boy, this is great!

/Flounder

611 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:48:07pm

re: #590 DesertSage

Dammit zombie, you're not going anywhere!
You're needed right here!

A googleplex updings!

612 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:48:15pm

re: #608 Ward Cleaver

To the naughty chair for you!

/five minutes. i'll set the timer.

PK starrrrrrrrteddddd iiiiiiiittttttttttt.

613 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:48:17pm

re: #609 mama winger

Now you've gone and done it. This thread was respectable up to that point. then you had to go and start talking about boogers.

Heh.

614 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:48:46pm

re: #610 loppyd

Oh boy, this is great!

/Flounder

That convention's gonna be fun to watch.

615 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:48:49pm

re: #609 mama winger

Now you've gone and done it. This thread was respectable up to that point. then you had to go and start talking about boogers.

Gonna' hang a scarlet B on me?

616 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:49:15pm

zombie's gone?

617 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:49:34pm

re: #612 MandyManners

PK starrrrrrrrteddddd iiiiiiiittttttttttt.

LOL!

Sounds like my kids.

618 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:49:43pm

re: #571 zombie

Where exactly do I describe my own opinions? Or my opinions about you?

Nowhere.

You don't have to sit at the weirdo table.

I probably won't be commenting on LGF for a while. I have successfully been driven off, intentionally or not.

And here I thought we were all at the wierod table. Zombie, LGF is a forum, not owned by anyone but Charles, and as long as Charles lets you stay, and you don't crap on his living room rug, you're alright here.

Please do not go as you are much needed here, and very welcome here (even if not all share your opinions, and you theirs - Lord knows I sure as hell don't share the opinions of some here).

I've been battlescarred enough here, but I keep coming back and standing up for my opinions. And you should too, even if they are a bit controversial with some. As long as they are not Bigelesque, I think you should be just fine.

619 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:49:44pm

Come back, zombie! WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE! That's what makes us INFIDELS!

620 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:49:57pm

re: #610 loppyd

YES!

621 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:49:59pm

re: #565 incanus

Mega-updings. Well said.

Thank you, Sir. I'm not very eloquent, and (being an Engineer by trade) I don't have a very good way with words, but after having Been Around This Great Big World a turn or two, I can work with people that have a different take on things. I just don't work well with a$$h0les, sorry for the bad language.

That being said, I get out the microwave popcorn and the soft drinks when The Loppy & Lancekates show comes on... :)

JAFLW

622 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:50:10pm

re: #616 MandyManners

zombie's gone?

I hope only temporarily.

623 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:50:23pm

re: #619 MandyManners

Come back, zombie! WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE! That's what makes us INFIDELS!

lol... I wish I could give more than one +

624 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:50:28pm

re: #160 zombie

Have you read Terror and Liberalism by Paul Berman?

Berman has solid liberal credentials (The New Republic, Dissent, etc). He is an outspoken critic of the Bush administration. He is not religious. But then he went and wrote this book about how and why true liberals should not merely join the war against Islamofacism, but should lead it. He is now hated by his former leftist colleagues.

It may be part of the reaosn, but think there is a lot more to why moonbats don't "get it" than a simple reluctance to be associated with Christians.

625 bosforus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:50:45pm

re: #571 zombie

Oh come on, Zombie. You'll come back when you're hungry for more brain.

626 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:51:12pm

re: #614 Ward Cleaver

That convention's gonna be fun to watch.

I'd like to go. Get some press credentials somehow....

627 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:51:32pm

re: #624 Kenneth

I just picked this up. Haven't started yet. Any good?

628 Hillbilly Geek  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:51:36pm

ditto to what they say, zombie
great work you do, it is

/yoda voice

629 snowcrash  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:51:41pm

Zombie, Some of your biggest fans are at LGF. You know that. (Don't make all of us with abandonment issues relapse and need therapy. /)

630 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:52:16pm

re: #625 bosforus

Oh come on, Zombie. You'll come back when you're hungry for more brain.

Indeed, all the brains are here =)

631 looking closely  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:52:20pm

re: #600 loppyd

I know! Isn't it beautiful?


How ugly or beautiful still remains to be seen.

Even assuming a 10 point margin in PA, I think at this point, its still a long-shot for Clinton at best this time around.

632 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:52:27pm

re: #622 Ward Cleaver

I hope only temporarily.

Of course temporarily.

Some things were said by both (all?) sides last night that were nasty and personal but, that's just part of human frailty.

633 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:52:57pm

re: #630 incanus

Indeed, all the brains are here =)

Some have more than 1!

(What? like YOU don't keep a spare brain in a jar on your desk..... right?)
.
..
... right?

634 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:53:01pm

re: #620 formercorpsman

YES!

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

635 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:53:08pm

re: #624 Kenneth

Have you read Terror and Liberalism by Paul Berman?

Berman has solid liberal credentials (The New Republic, Dissent, etc). He is an outspoken critic of the Bush administration. He is not religious. But then he went and wrote this book about how and why true liberals should not merely join the war against Islamofacism, but should lead it. He is now hated by his former leftist colleagues.

It may be part of the reaosn, but think there is a lot more to why moonbats don't "get it" than a simple reluctance to be associated with Christians.

They've lost sight of who the real enemy is, and what would befall them under sharia. The islamists wouldn't just pray for them, or even harangue them on TV, but kill them.

636 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:53:35pm

Well, we always have Paris.

637 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:54:23pm

re: #636 Ben Hur

Well, we always have Paris.

638 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:54:23pm
639 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:54:29pm

I feel bad. I think I really upset Zombie. I did not mean to, but I did anyway.

Zombie - you are of way more value to LGF than I would ever hope to be. Your research and pictorials are irreplaceable. You must not be sidetracked by the differing opinions of posters here at LGF.

640 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:55:22pm

re: #638 savage_nation

Brain, brain, what is BRAIN?

Ok brain, you don't like me and I don't like you, so let's get through this so I can get back to killing you with BEER!

Woohoo!

641 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:55:39pm

re: #631 looking closely

How ugly or beautiful still remains to be seen.

Even assuming a 10 point margin in PA, I think at this point, its still a long-shot for Clinton at best this time around.

Don't forget about Florida and Michigan. The Clinton camp has intimated that should she start to nip away at Obama's popular vote tallies they will point to the votes she got in Florida and Michigan as further proof.

I'm not saying that will fly, but she will not back out if there is even a sliver of hope - however tiny it may be.

642 JWM  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:55:42pm

re: #510 Charles

Maybe a Mel Gibson/Terry Schiavo/Charles Darwin thread.


The apple of discord doesn't fall far from the LGF tree.

JWM

643 bosforus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:55:46pm

re: #630 incanus

Indeed, all the brains are here =)

Exactly.

644 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:55:55pm

re: #627 Creeping Eruption

Yes, it is good. Especially his condemnation of the Chomsky clique for their white-wash of terrorism as "legitimate resistance".

645 Thanos  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:56:30pm

re: #409 Honorary Yooper

To be honest, I find it very offensive when one sect of Christians purports to speak for all of us Christians. A born again, a Methodist, a Baptist, they cannot speak for me, and I'd rather they not.

Being Catholic (part of the largest Christian demonimation in the US), I'm used to seeing people of the same sect of differing sides of an issue. There are liberation theologians who are less than one step removed from Marxists, and there are free market types like the late William Buckley. One cannot assume that a moonbat isn't religious, as one cannot assume a non-religious person is a moonbat. Moonbats come in all flavors (I've even seen born again ones).

For the pro-freedom/anti-jihad to be effective, we cannot simply discount those who are religious, nor assume they are necessarily lock-step in how they think about the wrld around them. Likewise, we cannot accept moonbats until they have disavowed that which really makes them moonbats in the first place. The dislike of these United States, it's Constitution and all that it stands for. The principles ensrined in the Constitution are what make us the pro-freedom/anti-jihad movement. Not any religion, not an specific sect, not our occupation, not where we live. None of that will matter anyway of we let the moonbats and the jihad win. For if they win, all that we have worked for since the Magna Carta will be in vain.


Here here, and well said.

Everyone keeps saying "Judeo Christian" culture, but what language is "Republic" from? What language is Democracy from?

/quit dissing the Greco Roman influence in our culture or I too will jump in a late model Huffmobile™ and drive it off a cliff! (not)

646 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:56:35pm

re: #644 Kenneth

Yes, it is good. Especially his condemnation of the Chomsky clique for their white-wash of terrorism as "legitimate resistance".

Thanks. I'll start in on it tonight.

647 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:56:45pm
648 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:57:02pm

re: #639 mama winger

I feel bad. I think I really upset Zombie. I did not mean to, but I did anyway.

Zombie - you are of way more value to LGF than I would ever hope to be. Your research and pictorials are irreplaceable. You must not be sidetracked by the differing opinions of posters here at LGF.

Oh I imagine there are a few of us that upset zombie.

I have nothing against zombie. I do like to debate and if zombie was offended well, we're still living in the greatest country on God's green earth.

649 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:57:15pm

re: #619 MandyManners

WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE!

I DISAGREE!

650 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:58:03pm

Faith is between a man or a woman and his or her maker...no man can take it from you..by making fun of it.

651 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:58:11pm

Yale to Cancel Controversial 'Abortion Art' Exhibit Unless Student Admits It's Fiction

When we taught you to question authority, we meant the white Republican WASP machine, not us!

652 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:58:11pm

re: #634 loppyd

My pop is 73.

We can still catch that movie unexpectedly, and laugh, laugh, laugh.

Honestly, the best part for me, is watching my old man laugh, knowing that back in the late 50's and early 60's, he was there, and most likely has first hand knowledge of some of those shenanigans.

Oh man it is good.

653 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:58:12pm

re: #649 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I DISAGREE!

I DISAGREE WITH YOUR DISAGREEMENT!1!11!eleventy!

654 looking closely  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:58:20pm

re: #491 Charles

So ... everybody ready for another thread about Ben Stein's movie?

Kidding!

I deliberately skipped reading that one assuming that like every other internet open forum I've ever seen about Creationism, it would get ugly and not be worth reading.

Was I wrong? Based on the comments in THIS thread, it seems not.

If you need more infighting, how about putting up a thread about abortion?

655 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:58:56pm

Anybody wanna talk puppies?

656 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:58:59pm

re: #649 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I DISAGREE!

*WHACK*

Agree now?

657 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:59:16pm

re: #607 redstateredneck

Operation Chaos.


The front page of the Philadelphia free daily today reads: "With 4 million voters, Chaos could reign supreme"
LOL!

658 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:59:30pm

re: #636 Ben Hur

Well, we always have Paris.

Hilton?

659 JWM  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:59:34pm

re: #655 mama winger

Anybody wanna talk puppies?

cat stories?

JWM

660 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:59:42pm

re: #655 mama winger

Anybody wanna talk puppies?

puppies!

661 bosforus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:00:03pm

re: #655 mama winger

Anybody wanna talk puppies?

[Link: ww1.prweb.com...]
Still wanna talk puppies?

662 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:00:13pm

re: #655 mama winger

Anybody wanna talk puppies?


I have one at my feet.

663 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:00:29pm
664 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:00:30pm

re: #660 LanceKates

puppies!

OMG those are adorable

665 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:00:43pm

re: #656 MandyManners

*WHACK*

Agree now?

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

666 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:01:05pm

re: #652 formercorpsman

My pop is 73.

We can still catch that movie unexpectedly, and laugh, laugh, laugh.

Honestly, the best part for me, is watching my old man laugh, knowing that back in the late 50's and early 60's, he was there, and most likely has first hand knowledge of some of those shenanigans.

Oh man it is good.

That is wonderful for both of you!

My dad is the same age and he also laughs like he is reliving his crazy youth...
He was in some secret society at his college and they pulled some serious pranks....

667 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:01:09pm

re: #655 mama winger

Anybody wanna talk puppies?

And, kitties!

668 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:01:11pm

re: #655 mama winger

Anybody wanna talk puppies?

Are they the result of evolvution or creation?
/'night all

669 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:01:23pm

re: #662 storagemanager

I have one at my feet.

We had a gorgeous black lab come in on Friday. Beautiful coat - handsome head. But what a goober. :)

670 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:01:34pm

re: #645 Thanos

Here here, and well said.

Everyone keeps saying "Judeo Christian" culture, but what language is "Republic" from? What language is Democracy from?

/quit dissing the Greco Roman influence in our culture or I too will jump in a late model Huffmobile™ and drive it off a cliff! (not)

Well said too. Western Civilization is a fusion of Judeo-Christian and Greco-Roman as well as Germanic. It is from the Germanic part that we get the idea of English Common Law. This fusion is what make Western Civilization what it is, and what makes it different than Islamic Civilization, Chinese Civilization, etc.

And, quite frankly, I am very proud to be in the Anglo-American part of Western Civilization with all its rich history and traditions.

671 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:01:36pm

re: #665 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

You anarcho-socialist, you!

672 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:01:38pm

re: #655 mama winger

Anybody wanna talk puppies?

Rolled up newspapers?

/quitting tyme on ye olde Easte Coaste..

673 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:01:57pm

re: #613 LanceKates

Heh.

Booger thread!
Don't get snotty.

674 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:02:04pm
675 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:02:13pm

re: #664 mama winger

OMG those are adorable

Yup. not mine though.

I don't know that I have a picture of Mo online... but she's a yorkie.

Old... 11 or 12.

676 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:02:20pm

A new thread!

677 bosforus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:02:25pm

New thread. Let's see how nice we can be in it.

678 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:02:31pm

re: #663 Ben Hur

LOPPYD

HA!

Personally, I think it cursed him to have his number in that dirt.

Now that it's out he's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

679 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:03:15pm

re: #673 Cygnus

Booger thread!
Don't get snotty.

old bumpersticker:

"Get any closer and I'll flick a booger on your windshield."

680 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:03:58pm

re: #674 savage_nation

What about laughing kids?

no youtube at work.

There was a commercial here.. I think for a children's hospital... 20 or so seconds of the 30 second spot was just 3 or 4 little kids laughing and giggling.

You couldn't HELP but smile and laugh along.

681 wolfie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:03:59pm

re: #655 mama winger

Anybody wanna talk puppies?

I think we actually did that on the late-night, non-evolution thread.
Blue Canuck is getting a baby German Shepherd.
Then we got into a big argument over whether he should choose Fancy or Piper.

682 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:04:15pm

re: #646 Creeping Eruption

He has a new book out, The Flight of the Intellectuals, which exposes the truth about Tariq Ramadan: the so-called "moderate modern Muslim" is in fact a Trojan horse for the Muslim Brotherhood, Islamism & Al Qaeda.

683 hayseed  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:04:26pm

re: #463 Peacekeeper

need a big tent revival

684 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:04:31pm

re: #681 wolfie

I think we actually did that on the late-night, non-evolution thread.
Blue Canuck is getting a baby German Shepherd.
Then we got into a big argument over whether he should choose Fancy or Piper.

How'd that shooting go?

685 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:05:16pm

re: #670 Honorary Yooper

Western Civilization also got really good beer from the Germanic part. Don't forget that!

686 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:06:10pm

re: #685 Kenneth

don't they drink their beer warm? or is that just england?

687 looking closely  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:07:46pm

re: #641 loppyd

Don't forget about Florida and Michigan. The Clinton camp has intimated that should she start to nip away at Obama's popular vote tallies they will point to the votes she got in Florida and Michigan as further proof.

I'm not saying that will fly, but she will not back out if there is even a sliver of hope - however tiny it may be.

Again, how ironic is it that the majority actually does NOT rule in the so-called "Democratic" party.

Feeling the rules don't apply to them is modus operandi for the Clinton's but they have a big problem here. If Hillary successfully uses her influence with the party insiders to skirt the rules, her nomination will lose its legitimacy. Winning the nomination that way would likely ensure that she doesn't win the office.

I'm reminded of that fable about hunting monkeys by putting candy in a long necked jar. The monkey reaches inside to grab the candy, but once grabbed refuses to let go, leading to its own capture and death.

Pretty much the only way Clinton could win is if she convincingly takes ALL of the remaining primary states *and* the primary popular vote. (I think this is still mathematically possible). At *that* point she could make a legitimate case to the superdelegates that despite a smaller number of delegates, she still has the popular vote behind her and is the more "electable" candidate. *Maybe* she could be magnanimous about it and NOT piss off all of the rabid Obama supporters.

But again, this is a long shot. More likely than not, any path Clinton has to the nomination would be at best controversial, and at worst highly controversial reeking of influence peddling. Many of the the Obama supporters would ultimately sit home election day, and at least some of them would defect to McCain.

688 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:07:57pm

re: #669 mama winger

We had a gorgeous black lab come in on Friday. Beautiful coat - handsome head. But what a goober. :)

Did anyone see Juno?

689 Ma Sands  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:08:02pm

re: #655 mama winger

Yes! Post pictures --it is one of the three things that makes storagemanager smile!


/ :)

690 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:08:12pm

re: #686 LanceKates

KNow why the Brits like flat beer? Because there's more beer in a mug without the frothy head. Seriously, ya gotta admire their conviction.

691 TheUnrepentantGeek  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:09:28pm

re: #571 zombie

Where exactly do I describe my own opinions? Or my opinions about you?

Nowhere.

You don't have to sit at the weirdo table.

I probably won't be commenting on LGF for a while. I have successfully been driven off, intentionally or not.

I think in the other thread where you referred to believing in God (as a first cause) as "borderline acceptable" you made it pretty clear what your opinions are (mighty magnanimous of ya, mister science).

The whole arrogant, smarter than thou, view down the nose thing comes off pretty strongly. Connect that with that whole "Hey, wouldn't a completely secular movement be grand" (as if you weren't perfectly aware of such things) concept and anybody with a brain in their skull can see the writing on the wall.

Perhaps it was a moment of spleen, which is fine. Hey, I fire off the occasional "what the hell is wrong with you morons" rant once in a while. But it looked like a serious foot-in-mouth moment to me, and we'd be better off acknowledging it than pretending it didn't happen.

And now the "Aw shucks I guess I don't belong here" /wrists emo act? Puh-leeze. Don't be silly.

I'm more than happy to hang with almost anyone in the pro-freedom anti-jihad movement as long as they keep the condescension to a minimum and don't treat me like crap for what I believe (and I'm certain most of the various Jews/Christians/etc. feel largely the same).

692 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:09:48pm

re: #675 LanceKates

Yup. not mine though.

I don't know that I have a picture of Mo online... but she's a yorkie.

Old... 11 or 12.

ahhhhhhhhhh

693 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:09:59pm

re: #690 Killgore Trout

heh.. is that why?

I've never been a fan of beer... but what beer I HAVE had only tasted worse when it was room temperature.

I do remember an old movie "Young Einstein" who sought to split a 'beer atom' to put bubbles in beer.

694 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:10:43pm

re: #686 LanceKates

Not technically "warm", just room temperature, which in England is on the cool side. Personally, I can't stand ice-cold beer -the flavour has been chilled out of it.

695 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:10:46pm

re: #692 Cygnus

ahhhhhhhhhh

lol.. what?

696 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:11:28pm

re: #694 Kenneth

Not technically "warm", just room temperature, which in England is on the cool side. Personally, I can't stand ice-cold beer -the flavour has been chilled out of it.

yeah... I meant room temperature... I didn't mean to imply that it was heated.. heh.

The only way I've found that I could enjoy the taste of beer is 'beer can chicken'

otherwise... y'ick.

697 wolfie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:11:30pm

re: #670 Honorary Yooper

Well said too. Western Civilization is a fusion of Judeo-Christian and Greco-Roman as well as Germanic. It is from the Germanic part that we get the idea of English Common Law. This fusion is what make Western Civilization what it is, and what makes it different than Islamic Civilization, Chinese Civilization, etc.

And, quite frankly, I am very proud to be in the Anglo-American part of Western Civilization with all its rich history and traditions.

AMEN. It's a fusion, YES. And also a tension! Which is where we get the peculiarly Western tradition of criticism, debate, balancing views & powers, etc. I love it, and that is why I stand four-square against anyone who chants HEY HEY HO HO, WESTERN CIV HAS GOT TO GO.

698 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:11:38pm

re: #690 Killgore Trout

Really?

699 Dianna  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:12:00pm

re: #302 LanceKates

Obviously.

700 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:12:36pm

re: #695 LanceKates

lol.. what?

That's ahhhhhh as in 'Ahhhh - how cute!'. I think that's what you're wondering about.

701 wolfie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:12:51pm

re: #684 LanceKates

How'd that shooting go?

I shot Piper real good!

702 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:13:11pm

re: #700 Cygnus

That's ahhhhhh as in 'Ahhhh - how cute!'. I think that's what you're wondering about.

ahh... yup.. heh.

She's getting old though. But she still gets that look when she knows you've caught her doing something wrong.

703 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:13:11pm

re: #696 LanceKates

Good beer is God's beverage, Lance. Lousy beer (ie. Bud, Coors, etc...) isn't worth drinking.

704 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:13:19pm

re: #691 TheUnrepentantGeek

Perhaps it was a moment of spleen, which is fine

hey!
I had nothing to do with it!

lol!

705 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:13:36pm

re: #701 wolfie

I shot Piper real good!

great! knew you could do it.

Feel more confident? relaxed? willing to go again?

706 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:13:51pm

re: #687 looking closely

Whatever happens, it will be great political theater.

And I heard today that McCain is ahead of Obama in a poll here in MA.
I can't find the link, but how sweet would that be?!?!

707 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:14:34pm

re: #703 Kenneth

Good beer is God's beverage, Lance. Lousy beer (ie. Bud, Coors, etc...) isn't worth drinking.


about once a year I go and have a beer. While each brand tastes different, there is a common taste among them that I just can't get into.

I'll take rum anyday. (pity it is more expensive per volume... heh)

708 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:18:25pm

re: #688 debutaunt

Did anyone see Juno?

No ~

But I do find it highly ironic that the same talking heads that laud Juno all over the TV speak with such outrage regarding the Texas polygamist people because 15 year old girls are pregnant there.

Things that make me go hmmmm

Translation:

Lefty moonbat 15 year old girl pregnant: good

So called Christian separatist kookoo commune dwelling 15 year old girl pregnant: bad

709 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:20:51pm

Dammit Zombie, (again with the 'dammit'), If I were to say I was quitting for a bit, I would get about 23 fingers showing me the direction of the door....... You realize, we all know where you live and will be on your doorstep pestering.....

710 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:21:24pm

re: #708 BabbaZee

that, in a movie, the father is a fellow teen, versus in texas, where the father is a 50+ year old with other wives....

that might make a difference, talking head or not.

Not having seen the movie, I don't have much of an opinion of it, though I have heard that it doesn't whitewash being pregnant as a teen as a magical happy time.

I question people who defend the idea of raising boys and girls to think it is ok for a 15 year old girl ought to be married to a man in his 50's who has other wives.

That's stat rape.

711 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:22:19pm

re: #562 MandyManners

I know what. Let's talk about abortion!

*rad*

Globular frickin' clusters...

712 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:25:25pm

re: #710 LanceKates

I did not offer an opinion on the Texas people
I have not followed that story at all
Nor do I have time or desire to


I was posting only to illustrate the irony and hypocrisy I see everywhere I look

713 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:27:54pm

re: #712 BabbaZee

and I was pointing out where one might draw the difference between liking a fictional story about an unwed pregnant teen and hating the real life story about a few hundred nutters who think that stat rape is ok because having lots of minor wives is good.

714 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:34:06pm
I probably won't be commenting on LGF for a while. I have successfully been driven off, intentionally or not.

That'd be a shame. You have a great site and good insights here. But that doesn't mean you are without bias or should be immune from honest criticism.

Really, your idea was tactically sound. You should get the bible believing christians to keep quiet and hide from the liberals. After all, we are going to support America and freedom and oppose tyranny anyway. If you coddle the leftists bigotry and make them feel special in the process, you might get a fundraising dinner or something out of it.

715 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:47:21pm

re: #714 nikis-knight

You should get the bible believing christians to keep quiet and hide from the liberals.

LOL! good luck with that! Ha :)

I remember the days of living life in the political closet. Then Ronnie came along and told us to come out and join the party. I'm still dancin. Not ready to put my tappin' shoes away for some moonbats just yet.

:)

716 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:48:33pm

re: #715 mama winger

Though I was too young to do any dancing during the Reagan Era, I'm not going to give up my ability to do so.

717 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:52:45pm

re: #716 LanceKates

Though I was too young to do any dancing during the Reagan Era, I'm not going to give up my ability to do so.

People new to the conservative movement , particularly those who joined post 9-11, are often uncomfortable with the fact that Christians roosted here back in the early 80's. Some would prefer we leave, or barring that, that we become wallpaper. I don't do wallpaper very well. :)

718 de La Valette  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:53:06pm

During these debates, we should all take a moment and reflect on the debt of gratitude America owes the late William F Buckley. His vigilence allowed the Conservative movement to shed its more reprehensible bumps, appeal to the mainstream, and assert power.

Everytime these debates surface, I look for a champion in Europe is going to step into WFBs' role.

719 sparrowlake  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:53:12pm

This is a simple case of
P roximal
M oonbat
S yndrome

It can be contracted by repeated close encounters with moonbats, such as attending public events and demonstrations, and usually lasts no more than 3 or 4 days per month.

720 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:56:54pm

re: #719 sparrowlake

This is a simple case of
P roximal
M oonbat
S yndrome

It can be contracted by repeated close encounters with moonbats, such as attending public events and demonstrations, and usually lasts no more than 3 or 4 days per month.

If I recall correctly, zombie said on an earlier thread that he/she had llittle or no contact with Creationists in real life, living in the Berkely area. Completely understandable that a viewpoint might be seen thru that limited prism. Out here in the Midwest, I am just as insulated from moonbats with large naked scrotums.

Maybe we should have a Grand Lizard get-together, and become more personally acquainted. We might find we are not so different after all.

721 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:57:01pm

re: #717 mama winger

People new to the conservative movement , particularly those who joined post 9-11, are often uncomfortable with the fact that Christians roosted here back in the early 80's. Some would prefer we leave, or barring that, that we become wallpaper. I don't do wallpaper very well. :)

well, I'm new to the conservative movement by state of birth, but I'm working hard to make up for the time I WASN'T alive!

heh.

But, as for you, you're FAR to wonderful to be degraded to the point of being mere wallpaper, no matter how flowery and pretty said wallpaper may be.

722 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:57:21pm

re: #718 de La Valette

During these debates, we should all take a moment and reflect on the debt of gratitude America owes the late William F Buckley. His vigilence allowed the Conservative movement to shed its more reprehensible bumps, appeal to the mainstream, and assert power.

Everytime these debates surface, I look for a champion in Europe is going to step into WFBs' role.

What I'd do to have his charisma.

723 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 2:59:09pm

re: #721 LanceKates

That's very kind of you to say Lance. Thank you :)

724 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 3:00:00pm

re: #723 mama winger

That's very kind of you to say Lance. Thank you :)

Just my impressions.

725 chief long name  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 3:14:54pm

re: #181 loppyd

OT: SCREAMING DRUDGE HEADLINE

CLINTON INTERNALS SHOW 11-POINT LEAD IN PA


Oh brother, now I'm felling loopy, loppy...
Read that as:Controlled EXCRAMENT

726 LeePro  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 3:21:26pm

re: #720 mama winger

Maybe we should have a Grand Lizard get-together, and become more personally acquainted. We might find we are not so different after all.

Wow! Somewhere in Kansas, say. Big Bar-B-Q (southern-style, of course!).

I'd be there!

727 rightymouse  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 3:25:04pm

re: #571 zombie

Where exactly do I describe my own opinions? Or my opinions about you?

Nowhere.

You don't have to sit at the weirdo table.

I probably won't be commenting on LGF for a while. I have successfully been driven off, intentionally or not.

Please don't go. You're one of the most valuable contributors here. It would be a terrible loss for us. I mean that sincerely.

728 Miss Trixie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 4:10:08pm

ZOMBIE - I agree wholeheartedly with rightymouse - we need you. Don't let boneheads suck the talent and life out of you. Take a breather if you must but stay and show us your strength and courage.

729 TrollBot PrtoType Six  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 4:26:14pm

re: #655 mama winger

Anybody wanna talk puppies?

Well, I'm really more of a kitten guy.
// {;-)™

730 irish rose  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 4:54:12pm

/rant on

Good grief, not again.

Is it possible for us to get through even ONE FREAKING DAY here at LGF without someone taking offense over some percieved religious slight?

Enough already with the ongoing, thread-killing displays of religious hypersensitivity.

This isn't what I come to LGF for.

/rant off

731 gman  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 5:36:34pm

re: #39 zombie

Yes, partly. Also referring to the Creationist camp, which bring so much baggage with them that they scare off many people who otherwise would like to "join our side."

Creationists can be creationists if they want to be. Fine. And moonbats will always be moonbats. What I'm talking about those people who currently vote Democratic as a knee-jerk response, but have doubts, and would secretly like to make the switch to LGF-style politics, but don't want to be on the same team of either the Buchananites or the creationists.

We should craft a safe and palatable landing pad for them. A stepping stone to sanity.

Zombie, I hope you come back soon. You are an extremely important part of LGF. In fact, I think sometimes you forget how important you are when I read posts like the one above. When you talk, everyone is listening very carefully, and the part "the Creationist camp, which bring so much baggage with them that they scare off many people who otherwise would like to join our side" really upset a good deal of the posters here, including myself. It would be utopian to think that people's religious views would not creep into discussions on this blog. It is going to happen no matter what. I think what makes this site great above all else is that many of the posters here give their various points of view on different subjects and then proceed to back that point of view up with a thoughtful line of reasoning. I enjoy the wealth of knowledge that is put on the table at this blog by people from all walks of life. I look forward to hearing from you again, Zombie.

732 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 5:55:22pm

Personally, I don't think Zombie owes an apology to anyone.
I also happen to think that he/she has a valid point.

733 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 6:11:30pm

re: #732 Irish Rose

Personally, I don't think Zombie owes an apology to anyone.
I also happen to think that he/she has a valid point.

No one asked Zombie to apoligize. But the validity of the point requires more than agreement to demonstrate. Personally I'm far from convinced "moonbats" love America in any case, and would rally to her defense if only those icky bible believers would go away.

Furthermore, if their convictions are so shallow as to be unable to be defended alongside creationists even under threat of Sharia, they would be very undependable allies in any case.

734 guzziguy  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 6:16:07pm

re: #221 LanceKates

Why not? I used to liveblog Sooners games.

Really pissed off some people. heh.

Almost as much as me coming back from a "LGF-Free Lent" did.

BOOMER!

735 EtNorskTroll  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 7:11:19pm

re: #571 zombie

Where exactly do I describe my own opinions? Or my opinions about you?

Nowhere.

You don't have to sit at the weirdo table.

I probably won't be commenting on LGF for a while. I have successfully been driven off, intentionally or not.

I agree: Please, don't go, Zombie.

You are a very, very valuable poster (even though I disagree with you).

LGF becomes very, very boring when it becomes an 'echo chamber'.

You're like the 'spicy meatball' at the top of the spaghetti~!

You're like the frosting on the Double Dutch Chocolate cake~!

You're like the whipped cream on the top of the hot fudge Sunday~!

(Man! Why am I getting so hungry, suddenly?!?).

Seriously, though: I'd be disappointed if you left or felt you were 'driven off'.

I'll massage your feet.....

Give you a cookie....

I'll be your friend!

heh.

/don't go. please

~ENT

736 EtNorskTroll  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 7:13:13pm

re: #730 irish rose

/rant on

Good grief, not again.

Is it possible for us to get through even ONE FREAKING DAY here at LGF without someone taking offense over some percieved religious slight?

Enough already with the ongoing, thread-killing displays of religious hypersensitivity.

This isn't what I come to LGF for.

/rant off

You mean you forgive me for taking BabbaZee to task?

Whew!

That's a relief, Rose.

Thanks for that.

~ENT

737 EtNorskTroll  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 7:16:22pm

re: #709 coquimbojoe

Dammit Zombie, (again with the 'dammit'), If I were to say I was quitting for a bit, I would get about 23 fingers showing me the direction of the door....... You realize, we all know where you live and will be on your doorstep pestering.....

heh.

(*knocking on door*)
"Can Zombie come out and playyyyyy?"

"Pleeeeeeeease?!"

"Can Zombie come out and play, nowwwwwwwwww...?!?"

I can hear it now.

~ENT

738 Spiny Norman  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 8:15:58pm

The God-botherers have given zombie, of all people, the bum's rush?

Unfuckingbelievable.

Maybe I should try to get him/her to start posting at Hot Air or Protein Wisdom.

739 realwest  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 10:33:03pm

re: #738 Spiny Norman
The "God-botherers"?! Not sure who it is your talking about.
Zombie made some points that perhaps some moonbats could be persuaded to come over to the Anti-Jihad side if they didn't have to "side along" with religious fundamentalists.
Some people - not all of whom are religious or religous fundamentalists - disagreed with zombie.
Zombie said she felt unwanted here and wouldn't be posting at LGF for "a while". No one here asked zombie to leave or to not post out here.
In fact, quite to the contrary a LOT of us asked zombie not to leave or at least dinged up posts that asked zombie not to leave.
So if zombie does leave, it will be his/her decision alone to make.

740 Digger Dan  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 10:43:48pm

re: #14 Orbit Rain

...how about *not* an "anti-Jihad" movement, but a "Pro-Freedom" movement?

Of course, that's what the struggle is all about. But, although the roots of our quest for freedom used to be properly understood, people have forgotten and they are stunned into inaction when they are reminded. It comes from the Bible: "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." (John 8:32). In the Bible, it means exactly what our founding fathers figured that it said. But Europeans don't want to know about it, and they're slowly being hollowed out by a culture that doesn't give a hoot about freedom. Whatever Europe comes up with, it won't have anywhere near the muscle and power of the original idea, and the enfeeblement of Europe will continue.

741 LeePro  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 10:46:22pm

re: #655 mama winger

Anybody wanna talk puppies?

Hope you're still here!

My dog Buckwheat wants to MAKE puppies [before his humans whack his equipment]! Any ideas?

742 littleO  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:01:15pm

Pope benedict has a good suggestion. Return to your faith!

743 USS Ben  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 12:21:14am

re: #730 irish rose

You should read the thread before you jump to conclusions about "religious hypersensitivity."
But then again, it appears as if you agree with the idea that borderline ex-moonbats stay moonbats because of religion, so I reckon all the excellent and courteous posts in reply to that "idea" showing the illogic of that position means nothing to you anyway.

And, I might add, many good points made by non-fundamental Christians, Jews and other atheists.

Knee jerk reactions certainly aren't helpful, and are, in fact, more divisive.

744 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 2:34:52am

re: #736 EtNorskTroll

You think you

"Took me to task"?
at some point in your life here?

LOL

Holy delusions of grandeur!

Your arrogance is astounding, troll

745 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 2:41:55am

re: #738 Spiny Norman

The God-botherers have given zombie, of all people, the bum's rush?

Unfuckingbelievable.

Maybe I should try to get him/her to start posting at Hot Air or Protein Wisdom.

Bullshit.

People disagreed with Zombie.
This is a fucking mind crime now?

This is not even close to being the the same as "running Zombie off".

Did you read the thread?

Where are the posts where the "God People" gave Zombie the "bum's rush?"

Zombie was very harsh to people on the Ben Stein thread and mostly this attitude was not returned.

Bums rush my ass

People have actually tried to run me off here in the past.

So I know the difference.

746 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 2:46:16am

re: #730 irish rose

the hypersensitive one was not "religious" in this case

Not religious in the traditional sense anyway

747 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 2:48:50am

re: #731 gman

You don't understand ~

Zombie is convinced that anyone who gives credence to Intelligent Design is a knuckle dragging idiot Creationist, and that the ID and Creationism are the same thing.

Which they are not.

But that is Zombie's stated position.

748 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:48:40am

re: #743 USS Ben

My "knee-jerk" reaction as you like to call it, is nothing of the sort.
It's an opinion based on months of astute observation. Observation of the behavior of many otherwise decent religious folks here (and atheists as well) when they perceive that their sacred ideas are being challenged.

I've seen it over and over again... intelligent discussions are derailed, and productive threads are hijacked by a lot of howling about theology, accusations of bigotry, arrogant posturing, angry demands for apologies, etc. etc. etc.

No, there is nothing wrong with religious discussion. But when it descends into the thread-jacking variety, when all other discussion on the topic that our host has posted is shoved aside and ignored by atheists and religous folk who are engaged in a textual brawl, it detracts from the intelligence of this site. That is my opinion.

Look, I'm a believer just like a lot of people here. But I don't "put my feet up on the furniture", because I acknowledge that this isn't my place.

I don't use this site as a platform for theological bickering because there are more appropriate placed for that. I think it's disrespectful to Charles, who puts a lot of work and a lot of thought into every subject that he posts. It must be tremendously frustrating to him to see vital, important discussions like this one derailed and killed off by yet another session of grandstanding.

As for Zombie, he/she certainly does have a point. I spend a lot of time on Conservative blogs... I see how some religious conservatives behave, and it can be very ugly. MM's blog is one of these and as much as I enjoy reading her work, I'm extremely turned off by the arrogant, elitist behavior of some of her far-right leaning members who use her blog as a personal platform to press their religious convictions and bully and belittle anyone who doesn't agree with their way of thinking.

I fully agree that there are Democrats who would like to embrace Republicanism in a moderate capacity but don't, and for this reason and this reason alone. I know this, because I'm a moderate and I've spoken privately with many of them. Zombie is right about this, and whether you choose to accept or not accept this fact is your choice.

That said, Zombie probably could have chosen his/her words a little more wisely in the heat of the moment. But frankly, thats' a sin that we can all be accused of.

I realize that there are a lot of people who are going to disagree with me. But hijacking a thread and using it as a platform for religious bickering is a tremendously disrespectful thing to do to our host, in my opinion. We would all do well to remember that we're guests here.

All I have to say on this matter, as I have other important things to tend to today.

749 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:10:57am

re: #748 Irish Rose

No one hijacked any thread for "religious bickering"

I don't know what thread you are reading...

far as I am concerned and I have stated it everywhere this entire argument is a waste of time
and IMO is a Stan sponsored divide and conquer

750 realwest  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:42:35am

re: #748 Irish Rose I honestly don't know what to say to you Rose.
Zombie's basic assertion was that some - perhaps even a lot of moonbats would come over to the Anti-Jihad side of things if only Bible Thumpers or folks who can loosley be described as members of the Religious Right weren't already here on the Anti-Jihad side of things.
I don't know if zombie, who is someone I respect and like, is correct about that. But assume that zombie is correct: Where do the already-in-place
religion based folks go?
It really is sorta like saying lots of Democrats would join the Republican Party if only those darned Republicans who's politics are based in the Judeo-Christian Ethic weren't there. I suppose it's an interesting intellectual argument, but that's all it is, because, in point of fact those Judeo-Christian Ethic folks ARE a significant, if not amajority, of the Republican Party.
Some folks out here interpreted zombie's "musings" as an attack on their faith - i.e., if only you religious types weren't here we might get some moonbats to cross over to "our" side and felt that they were being asked, or it was being suggested, that they leave the Republican/Anit-Jihad side and got pissed off about it. Zombie recognized this when someone pointed it out to zombie and immediately said no, that's not what he/she had meant to say or imply.
Unfortunately, as these things go, zombies' statement went on the board AFTER a lot of folks had already typed and posted their comments to zombie that their faith or religious ideology should NOT make them jump off the train.
It was then that zombie felt, I believe, that he/she was being attacked and said "enough".
And the fact is that this nation was born and based upon the Judeo Christian Ethic; suggesting that we abandon that or water that down, or throw out those who are the most vociferous of the "religious right" was, frankly, IMO, NOT what zombie had meant to say because zombie is not Stupid. But, again, by the time this thread caught up to that, lots of folks had jumped at zombie. And zombie said it'd be a while before he/she posted here on LGF again.

751 Sacred Plants  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:53:00am

It has also happened that at one point the racist bigots suddenly turn their insides out and become pacifist bigots.

"You traitor have been beating up more Arabs than any other commander in Hebron, and now you play the peace activist. You looked the other way when a Jewish kid was stabbed, you didn´t shot and let the perpetrator run away, they needed two years to catch him." - the brother-in-law of IDF veteran and anti-settler activist Yehuda Shaul, according to Ulrich Sahm

752 USS Ben  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:13:41am

BabbaZee, I concur wholeheartedly. Stan is laughin' at us.
I'm relatively new here, but this...level of hostility and lack of courtesy and decency is troubling.

I have a thick skin, and insults I can shake off, but this hatred for Religion is troubling indeed.

Irish Rose, I don't know you, and I have no idea what this has to do with MM's (Michelle Malkin's?) blog.

I know nothing of past conflicts, and I'm only addressing this post in my comments, although I did read the Ben Stein post too.
It's obvious that Zombie is upset about something(s), and this is far more than a disagreement about theology/evolution.

Well, anyway, it's no use speculating. People change. I just hate to see misunderstandings that play on imaginations resulting in enemies of friends.

753 m  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:50:25am

re: #748 Irish Rose

If you think being called an idiot for believing in God is "religious discussion" you're an idiot.

754 kirly  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:35:48am

geez. someone is far more arrogant than i already thought. and a way bigger drama queen that i thought too. get a grip. people don't agree with you and say so and you run away? don't be such a wimp!

755 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:05:39am

re: #752 USS Ben

BabbaZee, I concur wholeheartedly.
Stan is laughin' at us.

I'm relatively new here, but this...level of hostility and lack of courtesy and decency is troubling.

Gird yer loins Ben, we have only just begun.
;~}

756 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:08:19am

re: #753 m

*tackle*

Good point.

757 USS Ben  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:00:47am

Excellent scripture, BabbaZee!
You should know I have dial-up, so youtube is problematic, and takes quite awhile to load when it isn't. But I'm certain it's a cool vid! :^)

758 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:42:52am

re: #757 USS Ben

it's a song

Holy War
by Thin Lizzy

If you will adore me
Bow before me and praise my name
If you place no God before me
Then all I have is yours to claim

We are chosen
We are one
We are frightened of no one
And no one will win this war
This is the way
This is the law

All the visions shown before you
All the kingdoms and the thrones
All are yours if you bow before me and adore me
All this you can own

There are those that turn to heaven
There are those that never will
No one knows what will happen
There are those that turn to sin

We are chosen
We are one
We are frightened of no one
And no one will win this war
This is the way
This is the law


The devil is in hell with the demons
This is the holy war

They lead us to our temptation
Lead us, take our souls
There is no evil in salvation
There is evil in us all

Just as satan tempted jesus
And jesus slips and falls
He is a station on the cross now
He is dying to save us all

If God is in heaven, wont you save me now
Oh lord forgive them for what theyve done
Lost children of babylon

759 USS Ben  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:58:43am

re: #758 BabbaZee

Much obliged, BabbaZee!
Been awhile since I've heard Thin Lizzy, and I don't recall that song (which has phenominal lyrics)!

760 irish rose  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:29:24am

Realwest:

Some folks out here interpreted zombie's "musings" as an attack on their faith -

This is exactly my point.

There are some folks here who interpret every "musing" that isn't a positive statement about ones' chosen religion/belief system as an "attack" who make "knee-jerk" responses to defend the faith/belief system without even trying to consider what the other person might be trying to say. It happens entirely too often here and I've seen far too many valuable members like Zombie walk away because of it. So have you.

What I'm suggesting is that many here who are atheists and people of faith are a wee bit oversensitive to any statement that even smells critical... I'm still seeing it on this thread... and for what purpose?

You need look no further than the Stein thread for a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The fight that started over there carried over into this thread because some people absolutely refused to let it go. In doing so, Charles' thread was trashed and Mr. Spencers' article disregarded.

I've seen other well thought out threads completely stunted here at LGF by this kind of defensive behavior, and I'm not the first to say so. One day the Jewish lizards feel offended, the next day its' the Catholic lizards. Next day its' the Christian lizards. Next day it's the atheists. Then someone takes personal issue with a statement (usually not a deliberate provocation, just an innocent statement) that someone else makes, and they let loose with the personal insuults. It happens over and over again, and it destroys an intelligent discussion quicker than anything else.

Sadly, the bickering parties don't even seem to know or care that the rest of the participants have fallen silent and/or left. Because its' no longer about the topic, it's all about them.

This is a legitimate point that has been made over and over and over again by other people here at LGF who are tired of this kind of thing, not just me. I must say that It annoys me to have to sit here at take the heat by myself, but here we are.

I'm not suggesting to anyone that they should not have a right to take part in respectful discussion about religious issues. I am saying that we need to rethink the tendency to respond with a knee-jerk defensiveness to any kind of perceived slight, and drive good people away in the process.

Please note that I haven't mentioned ANY names in my statement above nor any specific religious persuasion, nor will I. But thanks a lot m and kirly, for taking it down to the level of personal insult anyway... "drama queen", WTF?!

I'm starting my first class this afternoon, and I don't have time for this kind of bullshit. Have a nice day.

761 TalkinKamel  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:42:10am

#749 BabbaZee

You are right. This is a Stan sponsored divide-and-conquer. And he's laughing at us.

(Many thanks for the videos, and the song lyrics. Girding up my loins, right now!)

762 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:46:06am

re: #760 irish rose

The problem is, you see, when someone who has a history of making anti-christian statements suddenly 'floats the idea' of giving Christianity the boot in the anti-jihad fight for the sake of getting some anti-christian moonbats who might be pursuaded to fight against islam as long as they didn't have to side up with us Christians.

If someone is only willing to fight against islamic oppression as long as they don't have to associate with a christian, I doubt their drive.

There are MANY non-christian conservatives who fight the idea of islamic oppression. That these people refuse to join them has nothing to do with christianity.

Frankly, she floated an idea after spending a good part of a day referring to believers as 'knuckledraggers' . . . I'm supposed to just 'lay back and take it'?

No, that's ok. If someone is so hateful towards christianity that they're unwilling to fight islam as long as I am, why is it that I should trust them in a foxhole?

763 EC Marm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 11:26:13am

re: #760 irish rose

You wrote:


You need look no further than the Stein thread for a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The fight that started over there carried over into this thread because some people absolutely refused to let it go. In doing so, Charles' thread was trashed and Mr. Spencers' article disregarded.


The VERY FIRST COMMENT in this thread that was a carryover from the Stein thread was number 26, written by zombie. Please do not try to re-write history, as it is all very clearly in front of us.
Mr. Spencer is a fine man, a man of faith. I believe he is an Orthodox Catholic. I don't think it was an accident that the anti-Christian element succeeded in hijacking this thread with their agenda.

764 irish rose  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 12:12:25pm

re: #763 EC Marm

You wrote:

The VERY FIRST COMMENT in this thread that was a carryover from the Stein thread was number 26, written by zombie. Please do not try to re-write history, as it is all very clearly in front of us.
Mr. Spencer is a fine man, a man of faith. I believe he is an Orthodox Catholic. I don't think it was an accident that the anti-Christian element succeeded in hijacking this thread with their agenda.

Just what are you implying, exactly?
That our good friend Zombie is the head of some subversive "anti-Christian element with an agenda" here at LGF, intent on discrediting Catholics and Christians by "hijacking threads"?

Speak plainly, please.

As for your accusation that I'm "trying to re-write history", how utterly absurd. Perhaps you're suggesting that I'm also an instrument of that "anti-Christian agenda"?

765 EC Marm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 12:34:48pm

re: #764 irish rose
I am truly sorry if you have reading comprehension skills. Try to read it again slower, mouth the words out loud if necessary.
I seem to recall a recent instance where you 'flew off the handle' and demanded that Charles rescind your registration. In a morning thread where you demanded that we all get in lockstep behind John McCain. When many of us politely declined, you went ballistic.

btw: I think LanceKates left an interesting comment to you, that you seem to have skipped over?

766 irish rose  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 2:21:36pm

re: #765 EC Marm


I seem to recall a recent instance where you 'flew off the handle' and demanded that Charles rescind your registration. In a morning thread where you demanded that we all get in lockstep behind John McCain. When many of us politely declined, you went ballistic.

You have absolutely no idea why I was upset that day, EC, you only think that you know (it had nothing to do with John McCain).
I'm not able to explain it to you here, and I'll ask you not to mention it again.

The VERY FIRST COMMENT in this thread that was a carryover from the Stein thread was number 26, written by zombie. Please do not try to re-write history, as it is all very clearly in front of us.
Mr. Spencer is a fine man, a man of faith. I believe he is an Orthodox Catholic. I don't think it was an accident that the anti-Christian element succeeded in hijacking this thread with their agenda.

I'd still like to know exactly what you're implying with this comment.
I think it's a fair question.

I saw Lances' post, and I'm not answering because its' all been said before. Enough already.

Zombies' words were poorly chosen perhaps, but he/she had no intention of attacking anyone in a malicious way and the defensive response from some of the Christian folk here has been *completely* disproportionate.

Ask yourselves... is it so important for you and others to be "right" that you drive away someone who has otherwise been a good and longtime friend to this community?

I'm sorry if you think that it is.

Zombie, I hope you're reading this. I respect you enormously, and I consider you to be a cherished friend to this blog community. I'm asking you to log back in and respond. Your presence here is important, and your contributions are invaluable. Do not let others frustrate you to the point where you walk away... its' not worth it. You lose, and so does everyone else. Brush it off, come back on board and get back to doing the important work that you do so well. We miss you.

767 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 2:57:01pm

re: #766 irish rose

I saw Lances' post, and I'm not answering because its' all been said before. Enough already.

You are partially correct. I've asked those questions multiple times, but I have yet to receive an answer from anyone.

Ask yourselves... is it so important for you and others to be "right" that you drive away someone who has otherwise been a good and longtime friend to this community?

We didn't drive her away. We confronted her idea. It's what this site is for. That she left in a huff is her issue, not ours.

768 m  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:49:30pm

re: #760 irish rose

I didn't "take it down" anywhere. When people feel assaulted, they tend to have a few words to come back with. People were called ignorant and medieval for believing and they disagreed with zombie. Plenty of people agreed too.

If the agree/disagree ratio wasn't high enough for zombie what can you do? (even though it looks to me like more people were agreeing than disagreeing so make of that what you will)

Please show me one comment from these mean fundies that was disrespectful and so horrible that it justified zombie going off in a huff. Thanks!

769 m  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:03:56pm
#745 BabbaZee 4/22/08 2:41:55 am reply quote report 5

re: #738 Spiny Norman

The God-botherers have given zombie, of all people, the bum's rush?

Unfuckingbelievable.

Maybe I should try to get him/her to start posting at Hot Air or Protein Wisdom.

Bullshit.

People disagreed with Zombie.
This is a fucking mind crime now?

This is not even close to being the the same as "running Zombie off".

Did you read the thread?

Where are the posts where the "God People" gave Zombie the "bum's rush?"

Zombie was very harsh to people on the Ben Stein thread and mostly this attitude was not returned.

Bums rush my ass

People have actually tried to run me off here in the past.

So I know the difference.

What she said!

770 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:10:48pm

I wonder how people would react if someone suggested the anti-jihad movement might attract more people if only we didn't have to associate with those dirty Jews, or defend Zionist Israel?

How 'bout this stroll down memory lane:

The anti jihad movement should be tolerant of
neo nazis and white supremacists.....
After all they are anti jihad...

Same shit.
Different Day.

STAAAAAAAAN!
/All your fascism Vlaams Belangs to me.

771 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:18:22pm

Oh, and isn't that basically what Robert's article was all about anyway?

Thus we return, full circle.

772 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:23:04pm

I took the time the evening to read through this entire thread again.

It was very clearly a pile-on... and I can see why Zombie felt upset enough to depart.

773 TalkinKamel  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:28:29pm

#770 BabbaZee

Uh-huh. If only there weren't all those creepy Jews/Zionists/G-dbotherers! Then, maybe we'd attract some, you know, hip, cool people; hip, cool people, who would just love to be with us, if only we weren't burdened with all those ridiculous Jew/Religious/redneck types!

Stan is laughing.

774 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:29:33pm

#597 mama winger 4/21/08 1:44:56 pm reply quote report 9

re: #571 zombie

Please do not feel driven off on my account, zombie. Perhaps I mis-understood the thrust of your post. I did come late to the thread. As I said in my remarks to you - I do not take offense. I was simply saddened by the fact that people would see people like me, conservative Christians, as someone they would rather not associate with, and as a stumbling block to joining the anti-jihad movement. It makes me sad is all. And if I have contributed to that negative feeling I do apologize sincerely.

639 mama winger 4/21/08 1:54:29 pm reply quote report 4

I feel bad. I think I really upset Zombie. I did not mean to, but I did anyway.

Zombie - you are of way more value to LGF than I would ever hope to be. Your research and pictorials are irreplaceable. You must not be sidetracked by the differing opinions of posters here at LGF.


Fucking God Botherers.

Clearly white and bitter, clinging to guns and Jesus in bowling alleys near you.

775 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:31:58pm
776 TalkinKamel  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:34:36pm

#774 BabbaZee

Yes, I'm sure that an anti-jihad movement that didn't hobnob with G-d-botherers, or Jews, or non-Aryans, would be very popular with many.

Of course, it wouldn't be much of an anti-jihad movement, would it? (Probably attract lots of cool former moonbats, though.)

{BabbaZee}

{MammaWinger}

777 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:53:03pm

The tongue always digs the grave


“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace the savage races throughout the world”
~ Charles Darwin


“In the survival of favoured individuals and races, during the constantly-recurring struggle for existence, we see a powerful and ever-acting form of selection.”
~ Charles Darwin

“To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”
~ Charles Darwin


“I was a young man with uninformed ideas. I threw out queries, suggestions, wondering all the time over everything; and to my astonishment the ideas took like wildfire.

People made a religion of them.
~ Charles Darwin

I'll take GOD, thanks.

778 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:00:12pm
I have chosen the way of truth;
I have set my heart on your laws.
~ Psalm 119:30
779 EC Marm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:32:41pm

re: #770 BabbaZee

I wonder how people would react if someone suggested the anti-jihad movement might attract more people if only we didn't have to associate with those dirty Jews, or defend Zionist Israel?


Five minutes after the influx of moonbats to lgf, they'd be suggesting just that. After the 'old fashioned believers' - who just so happen to also be major supporters of Israel, were gone. Silenced, because of their refusal to kneel at the altar of Darwinism.
But I guess we're supposed to remain silent, or be accused of 'piling on.'

780 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:30:48pm

re: #779 EC Marm

Dare not refuse the Darwa!

781 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:39:49pm

BTW

Look to Europe for you object lesson.

Move us pesky Jewish - Christian - Jewtian GOD Botherers out of the way, like secular sophisticated socialist Europe did,
and the vacuum will be filled by the Allah Botherers.

Not so good.

782 realwest  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:04:11pm

re: #760 irish rose Rose, I'm sorry to say this, but you are incorrect as it relates to zombie on this thread. He/she mused about the idea of attracting some moonbats to the Anti-Jihad movement, if the movement wasn't either filled with or controlled with or whatever, Bible Thumpers or the Religious Right. I see no good reason for those people of faith to not do their own musing about what that actually meant.
Zombie isn't the first person to question the merits of the Religious Right in the Republican party and I'm sure zombie won't be the last. But if the only way to, perhaps, seduce those moonbats is to jettison GOOD PEOPLE HERE, who follow Judeo-Christian tenets, than I believe those who follow those Judeo-Christian tenents have the absolute right to question both zombie's musings and what motivated or prompted them.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: it's just WRONG to even think about throwing out those who have consistently been Anti-Jihadist's because of their religious beliefs. That that was perhaps NOT what zombie was suggesting is not something zombie made clear until many, many posts were under the bridge, so to speak.
Zombie felt ganged up upon and perhaps zombie was, but it was the musings and "thoughts" about which zombie was attacked for; in polite society we'd call that a debate or perhaps a discussion.
Zombie decided to leave of his/her own accord; and whether or not he/she will come back is entirely up to zombie.
But it is entirely too much to expect people of faith to sit back quietly when someone suggests that the Anti-Jihad movement would be better off without them. I'm sorry you disagree with that. I suspect, however, that if someone said the Anti-Jihad movement would be better off if only those darn people of Irish descent would quit the movement YOU would disagree and quite strongly, too.

783 guftafs  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:51:55am

re: #229 Robert Spencer

All parties like VB and SD want is the presence of you and other dignitaries at conferences such as the one last year in Brussels. It sanctions their strivings, including those of a New Order in Europe.

Pamela's (of Atlas Shrugged) reasons for repeatedly and in no uncertain terms siding with parties like VB and SD are interesting, in order to determine the extent, if any, of any future co-operation with her. Her filming of the above event seems innocuous enough. The fact that she does side with them, regardless of the reasons, is troubling and cannot be ignored.

784 lancekates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:55:56am

re: #772 Irish Rose

I took the time the evening to read through this entire thread again.

It was very clearly a pile-on... and I can see why Zombie felt upset enough to depart.

Disagreeing with her is not a 'pile-on' ... If she felt so offended that people didn't agree with her when she 'floated the idea' that christians out to be booted for the sake of claiming anti-christians who will only fight islamic terror if they don't have to associate with christians, then it REALLY only shows that she DID believe in the idea she was 'floating' and found out that christians don't like the idea.

How different would this have been if, say, she wanted to 'get rid of the Jews" for the sake of getting anti-semetic people to help fight islam?

785 TalkinKamel  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:34:51am

Here's an interesting article from Front Page Magazine: [Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

786 TalkinKamel  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:35:52am

#775 BabbaZee

And I love the cartoon, Babba!

:>)

787 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:53:25am

re: #782 realwest

Zombie isn't the first person to question the merits of the Religious Right in the Republican party and I'm sure zombie won't be the last. But if the only way to, perhaps, seduce those moonbats is to jettison GOOD PEOPLE HERE, who follow Judeo-Christian tenets, than I believe those who follow those Judeo-Christian tenents have the absolute right to question both zombie's musings and what motivated or prompted them.

Yup and, as I've asked a few times and have yet to get an answer:

If the only way they'll agree to fight against islamic terror is if I, a christian, am booted from the effort, why is it I should trust them in a foxhole?

788 Irish Rose  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:41:00am

All due respect Realwest, but you're way off base on this one.

I never sided with Zombie one way or another, and I never said that she was right. I said that she had a good point, and I suggested that the religious folks here are (again) being way more oversensitive over such a minor thing than they should be. And now I'm being treated like some kind of damned pariah?

You, Lance, Babba and M may not like her opinion but its' HER opinion and she should feel intitled to discuss it here without being piled upon and attacked by the Christian contingent here at LGF.

Of which I am a part, mind you, and I don't appreciate that the same people who have been piling onto Zombies' back are the same people that are now piling on to my back and dinging each other up furiously, treating me as though I'm an atheist myself or worse because I dare to be critical.

It's one thing to defend your faith, which is perfectly acceptable. It's another thing to be rude with people because they disagree with you, pile onto their back like a foaming mob with rude comments and updings, and then dismiss good friends as though they mean absolutely nothing here at LGF and never have, when they feel upset enough about the bullying to walk away. And you folks have the audicity to say "well it was her choice to walk away!" and collectively absolve yourselves of any blame whatsoever!

What kind of Christian behavior is that? Way to minister to those unbelievers, folks... way to go.

This is not how I was taught to persuade others to the faith, and its' not what Jesus taught, either. Did Jesus judge the woman at the well? No, he blessed her and told her to go her way and sin no more. He didn't shove her backward down the well and snicker with the disciples after doing so that shes' a godless pagan, unworthy of even a modicum of respect from righteous holy people.

If your goal is to prosletyze to unbelievers, then you'd do a heckuva lot better if you used a feather instead of a bludgeon. This kind of thing is exactly why my opinion of organized religion has plummeted over the last few years.

Look, Realwest.... being a Christian, Catholic or whatever does not mean you're exempt when you behave like bullies and that is most certainly what was done to Zombie, who was forced to stand alone in her own defense over and over and over again against an indignant mob who could barely be bothered to try and understand what she was saying.

I think it's a shame that I'm the only Christian here who coming to the defense of someone whom I consider to be an intelligent and decent person and a valuable member here at LGF.

This is a public forum, not a faith-based forum, and every idea ought to be respected and politely considered. Everyone has an equal voice here and deserves to be treated with respect, and it's disturbing to me that these kinds of pile-ons are supported and encouraged rather than discouraged.

The only thing that Zombie is guilty of is using words that you didn't like, other than that she did no harm to any of you and she does not deserve this kind of callous, arrogant dismissal.

You folks continue to do as you like... continue to bust up discussions, harangue dissenters and pat each other on the back for gaining the upper hand. If this is what your brand of Christianity is all about, then count me out.

I'm going to email Zombie today to ask if she's doing all right, because I'm worried about her. And them I'm going to take a break from this place myself, because I'm mad as hell. There is absolutely NO damned excuse for the personal attacks that are being leveled in my direction on this thread and on others, and I'm putting myself on read-only status before I have a f*cking stroke.

This is not how Christians should be behaving, and you folks ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

I have a job interview to get ready for.
Peace out.

789 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:41:20am

re: #788 Irish Rose

Ok, in order.

I said that she had a good point, and I suggested that the religious folks here are (again) being way more oversensitive over such a minor thing than they should be.

The suggestion that Christians are why moonbats are not fighting against Islamic Terror is as misguided and dangerous as suggesting that Jews are why people are poor.

You, Lance, Babba and M may not like her opinion but its' HER opinion and she should feel intitled to discuss it here without being piled upon and attacked by the Christian contingent here at LGF.

So she is more entitled to her opinon than I am to disagree with it? Why does her opinion trump mine?

Of which I am a part, mind you, and I don't appreciate that the same people who have been piling onto Zombies' back are the same people that are now piling on to my back and dinging each other up furiously, treating me as though I'm an atheist myself or worse because I dare to be critical.

Once again, we're not piling onto Zombie's back. We're disagreeing with Zombie's 'floated idea' that the anti-jihad movement would gain more numbers if we just got rid of those pesky christians.

It's one thing to defend your faith, which is perfectly acceptable. It's another thing to be rude with people because they disagree with you, pile onto their back like a foaming mob with rude comments and updings, and then dismiss good friends as though they mean absolutely nothing here at LGF and never have, when they feel upset enough about the bullying to walk away.

For someone bemoaning us for being 'rude' . . . that was pretty rude to refer to us as a foaming mob because we disagree with Zombie's 'floated idea' that the anti-jihad movement would be benefited by getting rid of those pesky christians.

And you folks have the audicity to say "well it was her choice to walk away!" and collectively absolve yourselves of any blame whatsoever!

It, uh, was her choice to walk away. Her walking away in a huff only proved, to me anyway, that her 'floated idea' is more than a hypothetical idea, but an ACTUAL idea she holds dearly, and she didn't like it when people confronted the idea instead of swelling into a "GET THE CHRISTIANS!" bandwagon. Remember that on the previous day, she spent a good part of it calling believers 'knuckledraggers' . . .

What kind of Christian behavior is that? Way to minister to those unbelievers, folks... way to go.

Yes, much better to just remove our spine and let people off us so that we don't accidently offend someone spouting anti-christian thought. Jesus was not a pacifist.

This is not how I was taught to persuade others to the faith, and its' not what Jesus taught, either. Did Jesus judge the woman at the well? No, he blessed her and told her to go her way and sin no more. He didn't shove her backward down the well and snicker with the disciples after doing so that shes' a godless pagan, unworthy of even a modicum of respect from righteous holy people.

Uh, reference Jesus' conversations with Pharisees before you go talking about Jesus being all quiet and hippy-dippy happy like some drugged out hippie flower child. There was a reason why his disciples were afraid to ask him what a parable meant.... He spoke with authority and had NO problem raising his voice in chastisement.

I think it's a shame that I'm the only Christian here who coming to the defense of someone whom I consider to be an intelligent and decent person and a valuable member here at LGF.

Standing up for those who 'float ideas' involving getting rid of people of your religion for the sake of getting anti-christians to fight islamic terror is not a virtue.

Confronting anti-christian thought is not a vice.

790 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:49:52am

cont.

This is a public forum, not a faith-based forum, and every idea ought to be respected and politely considered. Everyone has an equal voice here and deserves to be treated with respect, and it's disturbing to me that these kinds of pile-ons are supported and encouraged rather than discouraged.

If the idea was to get rid of the jews for the sake of winning over anti-semitic moonbats to fight islamic terror, there would be much more fierce dealings with such people.

Why? Because it is a horrible idea. While this is a place to bring ideas, this is NOT a place to coddle horrible ideas and they are struck down as such. If someone gets angry because their anti-christian 'floated idea' gets knocked down, and they leave in a huff, that's their fault.

The only thing that Zombie is guilty of is using words that you didn't like, other than that she did no harm to any of you and she does not deserve this kind of callous, arrogant dismissal.

Ahh, so it is ok to refer to christians as 'knuckledraggers' and suggest that we'd get people to join in the fight against islamic terror if we just got rid of those pesky christians.... but bad for christians to stand up for themselves?

Why is it, exactly, that a christian is just supposed to lay back and take it?

You folks continue to do as you like... continue to bust up discussions, harangue dissenters and pat each other on the back for gaining the upper hand. If this is what your brand of Christianity is all about, then count me out.

bust up discussions? Uh, do you STILL not understand that Zombie brought it to this thread?

harangue dissenters? Uh, do you STILL not understand that Zombie referred to christians as 'knuckledraggers' and even admitted that christians ought to just 'lay back and take it' when people rant against them?

No, that's ok.

I'm going to email Zombie today to ask if she's doing all right, because I'm worried about her.

That's fine. I hope she is ok. Despite your apparent imprssion, I don't hate Zombie. I disagree with her and will defend myself and my religion from bigoted ideas or suggestions... you're the one dishing out the arrogant ranting.

There is absolutely NO damned excuse for the personal attacks that are being leveled in my direction on this thread and on others, and I'm putting myself on read-only status before I have a f*cking stroke.

The one referring to us as a 'frothing mob' doesn't have much of a leg to stand on with that statement.

This is not how Christians should be behaving, and you folks ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Yeah, we should just be silent and submissive until we're branded and led to the gallows.

There's a reason why the disciples were executed. They had vigor, passion and they did NOT back down.


I have a job interview to get ready for.
Peace out.

Good luck. I know that you've been under stress regarding your unemployment and family issues.

791 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:50:17am

One more time,

for the brevity challenged megomaniacally delusional:

Where are all the horrific comments and vicious pile ons that were made by the God Botherers which were so staggeringly vile and such an assault against the words of Christ and the laws of man that they drove Zombie screaming into an institution?


Cite them.

Cite ONE.


Obviously you have never seen what that kind of shit really looks like.

Meantime, back in reality,

Her "idea" was : throw all these plebian God Botherers under a bus.

This following a night of her calling many of these people medieval idiots and worse.

Given the circumstances
I think they were extrodinarily polite.


So excuse me for not just laying down under the bus and making it all OK.
Again.

792 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:54:08am
#597 mama winger 4/21/08 1:44:56 pm reply quote report 9

re: #571 zombie

Please do not feel driven off on my account, zombie. Perhaps I mis-understood the thrust of your post. I did come late to the thread. As I said in my remarks to you - I do not take offense. I was simply saddened by the fact that people would see people like me, conservative Christians, as someone they would rather not associate with, and as a stumbling block to joining the anti-jihad movement. It makes me sad is all. And if I have contributed to that negative feeling I do apologize sincerely.

639 mama winger 4/21/08 1:54:29 pm reply quote report 4

I feel bad. I think I really upset Zombie. I did not mean to, but I did anyway.

Zombie - you are of way more value to LGF than I would ever hope to be. Your research and pictorials are irreplaceable. You must not be sidetracked by the differing opinions of posters here at LGF.

793 mama winger  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:54:15am

re: #790 LanceKates

If the idea was to get rid of the jews for the sake of winning over anti-semitic moonbats to fight islamic terror, there would be much more fierce dealings with such people.

Why? Because it is a horrible idea. While this is a place to bring ideas, this is NOT a place to coddle horrible ideas and they are struck down as such.


amen

794 mama winger  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:55:29am

re: #792 BabbaZee

{babba}

795 mama winger  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:57:34am
Good luck. I know that you've been under stress regarding your unemployment and family issues.

Me too, I wish you well rose. I hope your job search goes well, and I think of your son often and pray for he and his buddies.

796 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:03:09am

BTW, as an aside, I also like and respect Zombie very much, which I am sure most people here already realize.

And I am certain Zombie knows that as well.

However it has zero to do with: what's right is right.
I do not make ideological judgments on the basis of emotional attachments. Furthermore I am bound by the covenant and can not and will not deny GOD.


{mama}

I'm off this thread forever now.

797 mama winger  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:04:58am

re: #796 BabbaZee

Me too - going to go plant some pretty flowers. Like THIS

798 m  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:14:55am

re: #788 Irish Rose

You, Lance, Babba and M may not like her opinion but its' HER opinion and she should feel intitled to discuss it here without being piled upon and attacked by the Christian contingent here at LGF.

Really? You may not like my opinion, but it is MY opinion and I should be able to discuss it here without being called an "attacker for the Christian contingent".

/we could keep going rounds about this, but it won't change a think. Nobody "tried" to run zombie off.

Geeze.

By the way... Kirly didn't call you a drama queen upthread (if you would read it again you would realize she didn't mean you), but I sure am now.

Drama.
Queen.

799 m  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:15:32am

^ think=thing ^

800 m  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:18:02am

re: #789 LanceKates

I got to the part where zombie can have an opinion, but we can't and started scroll over.

801 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:21:16am

re: #798 m

heh. no comment.

Ok... comment:

You're not allowed to have an opinion as a christian if you're defending against anti-christian thought or 'floated ideas'.

You're only allowed to have an opinion if you're DEFENDING anti-christian thought or 'floated ideas'....

much like how democrats support christians who go and serve as human shields when we were going to invade Iraq.

Christians defending themselves against anti-christian thought is so.... droll.

802 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:21:42am

re: #800 m

you know me and my love of punishment.

:-P

803 m  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:24:52am

And it's pretty funny that I was included in Ms. Rose's "Christian contingent" that ran zombie off...

When I never addressed her on the thread where she decided to leave.

Now the night before I commented to her... but mainly just to clarify her comment where she made it seem like if you were Christian you weren't welcome at her website.

But by God it's all my fault! ! ! ! ! ! !

AND YA'LL BETTER AGREE OR I'M LEAVING! (for now)

804 m  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:26:35am

re: #801 LanceKates

You're not allowed to have an opinion as a christian if you're defending against anti-christian thought or 'floated ideas'.

You're only allowed to have an opinion if you're DEFENDING anti-christian thought or 'floated ideas'....

yeah, that's the way I read that too.

805 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:32:56am

re: #803 m

And it's pretty funny that I was included in Ms. Rose's "Christian contingent" that ran zombie off...

When I never addressed her on the thread where she decided to leave.

Now the night before I commented to her... but mainly just to clarify her comment where she made it seem like if you were Christian you weren't welcome at her website.

But by God it's all my fault! ! ! ! ! ! !

AND YA'LL BETTER AGREE OR I'M LEAVING! (for now)

I wasn't there the night before. I think my head would have exploded.

There is a growing force of anti-christian sentiment. It REALLY comes out on any thread having to do with evolution, the Pope, Ann Coulter or Pat Robertson.

806 m  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:38:05am

re: #805 LanceKates

I'm glutton for punishment as well apparently because I went back and looked at the rest of the rant... where did Irish Rose get the idea anyone was trying to proselytize to anyone? All I saw were variations of "i am not an idiot for believing in God"!

How is that proselytizing?

807 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:41:22am

re: #806 m

I think rose was trying to say that if our goal IS to proselytize, then we're not doing a service by 'being mean'

Frankly, each man's salvation is his own, between him and God.

We do not do a service as an example if we constantly allow anti-christian thought to prevail unopposed.

Christianity isn't about being walked on by bigots, but about faith in christ and a defense of said faith, even upon death.

To let others spout anti-christian thought, to me anyway, has always reminded me of Peter saying "I do not KNOW him!" three times.

808 m  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:55:41am

re: #807 LanceKates

I agree with that, but I didn't see anyone whose goal was to proselytize. I saw people defending themselves.

But I didn't read the whole thread~ I had to walk off the night before because my head was about to explode so I just skimmed the "offending" one.

809 m  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:59:04am

re: #805 LanceKates

I don't think this was just anti-Christian. It seemed anti-ANY religion to me.

"All y'all gotta go, so we can make those numbnuts feel welcomed"

That's how I read it.

Feh.

810 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:00:54pm

Oh and BTW

I am from the Unaffiliated Feral Jewtian Contingent, thank you very much.

A contingent of one.

Or maybe two.

I think Bobby Zimmerman may be the only other one.
And he doesn't post here.

Now, mercifully, I can leave this thread for always.

811 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:02:25pm

re: #808 m

heh... I don't think anyone was trying to convert Zombie. Or anyone else for that matter.

Though, it is important to note that some are converted by a kind and patient hand, like the ethiopian eunich.

Others require a bit more confrontation, like Paul.

To assume that we all have to go around like drugged flower children with puppy dog eyes, exclaiming nothing but peace and love and wonder..... it is as shortsighted as the people who look down upon people who don't go out into the city and hand out gospel tracks to strangers.

I had a few people YELLING at me once when I told them that I sometimes go into the city and pretend I'm a nonchristian to 'test' their evangelistic methods. When they started to tell me about how my problems go away, etc.... I normally get a bit upset and rant at them for misleading people into a fairy tale by distorting gospel.

Christ specifically said that our lives would be hard and full of suffering. He also specifically told us to be bold and to be prepared for the struggle.

812 m  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:03:06pm

re: #810 BabbaZee

They broke the mold, fo sho!

/:)

813 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:03:31pm

re: #809 m

I don't think this was just anti-Christian. It seemed anti-ANY religion to me.

"All y'all gotta go, so we can make those numbnuts feel welcomed"

That's how I read it.

Feh.


well, as some noted, the moonbats don't have a problem with bhuddism or hinduism or wicca.... they embrace their modes of thought. The moonbats offended by 'religious right' are talking about Christianity.

814 m  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:12:49pm

re: #811 LanceKates

LOL, I'm sure they trip when you start giving them scripture.

re: #813 LanceKates

Yep, those get a pass. But Judaism and Christianity certainly do not.

815 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:14:41pm

re: #814 m

LOL, I'm sure they trip when you start giving them scripture.

re: #813 LanceKates

Yep, those get a pass. But Judaism and Christianity certainly do not.

I'm easier on them nowdays, but I used to give them quite the theological scolding.

And yes, amazing how Judiasm and Christianity are always the 'evil oppressors' eh? Kind of, shall we say, biblical?

816 Ma Sands  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 1:06:33pm

(O. Mi. Goodness. This is where it's been taking place.....putting on a serious face.
.
..sorta.... :)

817 EC Marm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 3:08:53pm

I just finished reading "The Pianist" which is about a talented Jewish musician in Warsaw, Poland. As I read, I asked myself over and over, using the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, "Why did the Jewish people allow this to happen? How could they not see the intentions of the German occupiers? Why would they not arm themselves and resist, knowing the purpose of the cattle cars that took their families away?"
It is not a pleasant book, yet worth reading, worth remembering. The conclusion that I came to is that outrage and resistance must begin at once. Ideas that were only 'floated about' eventually became the nightmare reality.


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