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Spencer: Why the Anti-Jihad Resistance is Not About Race

Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:11:55 am PDT

An excellent post from Robert Spencer on the need for the anti-jihad movement to reject the white nationalists and racialists trying to hitch a ride and gain legitimacy: Jihad Watch: Why the anti-jihad resistance is not about race.

People I respect have pointed out that European culture is being overwhelmed and transformed by out-of-control Muslim immigration, and there is nothing wrong with defending it from that. I agree. But while culture has a racial component, culture and race are not identical. To reduce culture to race on a continent that has seen six million sacrificed to the idolatry of race and blood is not, in my view, the right way to defend European culture — and there must be articulated a sane and moral alternative that is clearly distinct from that and rejects it utterly. Geert Wilders in the Netherlands has managed to mount a strong stance against Islamization while avoiding dalliance with racial groups. While I am not a European and am conscious that Europeans will probably charge me with naivete and ignorance (the last time I posted this I inspired not one, but two websites charging me with being a secret jihadist, so this time I’ll probably be Satan himself), I still don’t see why it can’t be done elsewhere. Such dalliances inevitably raise the specter of neo-Nazism and white supremacism, and allow the mainstream parties to pretend that Europe faces a choice between becoming Eurabia and reviving the gas chamber. There are other ways, there have to be other ways, to deal with this.

The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people against the ways in which those human rights are contravened under Sharia, and avoid being diverted into side issues and non-issues, or formulating the problem incorrectly.

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1 Honorary Yooper  4/21/08 11:14:05 am reply quote 2

The anti-jihad needs to be about protecting those freedoms we hold so near and dear. Vlaams Belang and company can find the door and take off.

2 Irene NYC  4/21/08 11:14:10 am reply quote 2

Well, let's just make it a general rule: all decent people should "reject the white nationalists and racialists trying to hitch a ride" on any movement.

3 Maine's Michael  4/21/08 11:16:51 am reply quote 4

Racism will set back the anti-Islamist agenda.

We need everybody on board, especially ex-muslims, gays, and lesbians.

THAT is when you will know there is a critical mass, because the gay community sets the cutting edge trend for the younger left of center mainstream.

4 coquimbojoe  4/21/08 11:16:59 am reply quote 9

I could care less about race. I worry about anyone who wants to kill and enslave.....

5 Thanos  4/21/08 11:18:50 am reply quote 2

Well said again Mr. Spencer.

6 Killgore Trout  4/21/08 11:19:16 am reply quote 1
The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people against the ways in which those human rights are contravened under Sharia, and avoid being diverted into side issues and non-issues, or formulating the problem incorrectly.


Well said. Unfortunately it will fall on many deaf ears, at GoV, Atlas and Brussels Journal.

7 itellu3times  4/21/08 11:21:52 am reply quote 0
The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people against the ways in which those human rights are contravened under Sharia, ...

Yes.

8 BabbaZee  4/21/08 11:22:00 am reply quote 0
To reduce culture to race on a continent that has seen six million sacrificed to the idolatry of race and blood is not, in my view, the right way to defend European culture — and there must be articulated a sane and moral alternative that is clearly distinct from that and rejects it utterly.



Spencer Akbar!

9 Peacekeeper  4/21/08 11:22:38 am reply quote 0

I think this guy might be a secret jihadist or even Staten Island himself

10 savage_nation[deleted]  4/21/08 11:22:57 am 0
11 akforty777  4/21/08 11:23:25 am reply quote 2

The left will already twist our anti-jihad efforts into racism... aligning themselves farther with groups like CAIR. Its an extremely fine line but I always say we just have to keep up our good work because there are still plenty of sane Americans out there. I visit sites like LGF daily for a little reminder of what I need to continue to do.

12 Peacekeeper  4/21/08 11:23:33 am reply quote 0

re: #8 BabbaZee

Tell it!

13 Killgore Trout  4/21/08 11:24:07 am reply quote 0

I do hope Mr. Spencer continues to limit his association with bloggers who support these groups and to not speak at events these groups and their supporters are attending.

14 Orbit Rain  4/21/08 11:25:22 am reply quote 5

...how about *not* an "anti-Jihad" movement, but a "Pro-Freedom" movement?

15 MandyManners  4/21/08 11:25:25 am reply quote 0

TNMWP.

16 MandyManners  4/21/08 11:25:42 am reply quote 0

re: #15 MandyManners

TNMWP.

Or, TIWP.

17 Ben Hur  4/21/08 11:26:14 am reply quote 0

Atlas must miss us.

18 Peacekeeper  4/21/08 11:26:39 am reply quote 0

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I do hope Mr. Spencer continues to limit his association with bloggers who support these groups and to not speak at events these groups and their supporters are attending.


There is nobody more out of place than an atheist at the Holy War.

20 Peacekeeper  4/21/08 11:27:44 am reply quote 3

re: #17 Ben Hur

What can we gain by further whipping her? It's a shame.

21 Peacekeeper  4/21/08 11:28:30 am reply quote 0

re: #19 BabbaZee

What did the toad say to the hungry frog?

I gotta fly!

22 Killgore Trout  4/21/08 11:28:37 am reply quote 1

re: #18 Peacekeeper

There is nobody more out of place than an atheist at the Holy War.


Heh. We all have our crosses the bare.

23 latitude51  4/21/08 11:28:41 am reply quote -1

re: #17 Ben Hur

I don't miss her though.

24 coquimbojoe  4/21/08 11:29:06 am reply quote 0

re: #20 Peacekeeper

What can we gain by further whipping her? It's a shame.

Nothing. I can't bear to go to her site though...

25 Peacekeeper  4/21/08 11:29:14 am reply quote 2

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Heh. We all have our crosses the bare.


Keep it in yer pants Spartacus.

26 zombie  4/21/08 11:29:25 am reply quote 8
The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people

Spencer is 100% correct.

This actually connects to the thread last night. Just as the anti-jihad movement in Europe needs to stay above associations that will drag it down, the "neo-con/anti-idiotarian/etc." movement in the US needs to distance itself from paleo-cons and other old-fashioned believers for it to become a viable alternative to moonbattery.

No one has yet articulated a political position along these lines, however. Unfortiunately.

27 soccerdad  4/21/08 11:30:42 am reply quote 9

Bravo for Spencer, VDH, Hugh hewitt, et al. for opposing Islam as a political option - I love their writings, etc.

But Coptic Priest Zacharia Botros is the guy who seems to be doing more than all of them combined, because he is offering an alternative to Islam. He is taking the fight to them, in their language, on their airwaves....pray for him. Great story about him from Private Papers:
Link:
[Link: www.victorhanson.com...]

28 wolfie  4/21/08 11:30:48 am reply quote 2

Islamists play the culture, religion, and race cards to bamboozle the multi-cultural Left, depending on the situation. The race card is utterly bogus and needs to be taken out of their arsenal.
And that means we do NOT want it in ours. Outside of being wrong, both morally and intellectually, it is a self-defeating strategy.

29 Kreuzueber Halbmond  4/21/08 11:30:49 am reply quote 6
The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people against the ways in which those human rights are contravened under Sharia

The vision has been articulated in the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, the Ten Commandments and Jesus' Sermon on the Mount. Idiots of the world aren't digging it.

30 zombie  4/21/08 11:31:27 am reply quote 0

re: #3 Maine's Michael

Racism will set back the anti-Islamist agenda.

We need everybody on board, especially ex-muslims, gays, and lesbians.

THAT is when you will know there is a critical mass, because the gay community sets the cutting edge trend for the younger left of center mainstream.

Very true.

I think there is good news on the gay political front: i even saw a radical left-wing gay event advertised in SF -- that was anti-sharia!

i should have gone to document it. But sadly i was busy that day.

31 Peacekeeper  4/21/08 11:31:33 am reply quote 0

re: #26 zombie

Are you alluding to how (for example) Patrick Buchanan has descended into brown shirt patriotism?

32 coquimbojoe  4/21/08 11:31:41 am reply quote 0

re: #26 zombie

Spencer is 100% correct.

This actually connects to the thread last night. Just as the anti-jihad movement in Europe needs to stay above associations that will drag it down, the "neo-con/anti-idiotarian/etc." movement in the US needs to distance itself from paleo-cons and other old-fashioned believers for it to become a viable alternative to moonbattery.

No one has yet articulated a political position along these lines, however. Unfortiunately.

Ya know, I would like a good definition of the differences between Neo and Paleo cons. I am conservative, always have been, always will be. I don't really know where I fall though.

33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  4/21/08 11:31:56 am reply quote 1

Anyone who thinks the fight against Islamization can be boiled down to race is on the wrong side of the fight.

34 zombie  4/21/08 11:32:47 am reply quote 5

re: #27 soccerdad


But Coptic Priest Zacharia Botros is the guy who seems to be doing more than all of them combined, because he is offering an alternative to Islam. He is taking the fight to them, in their language, on their airwaves....pray for him. Great story about him from Private Papers:
Link:
[Link: www.victorhanson.com...]

Yes, Botros is great. A true hero.

I hope he converts every single Muslim to Christianity. He seems to be off to a good start!

35 ploome hineni  4/21/08 11:33:10 am reply quote 0

but what has this to do with islam?

[Link: commentisfree.guardian.co.uk...]

it is the misinterpretation

36 Ben Hur  4/21/08 11:33:26 am reply quote 0

I wonder if she will follow suit.

BBL

37 soccerdad  4/21/08 11:35:37 am reply quote 1

re: #9 Peacekeeper

I think this guy might be a secret jihadist or even Staten Island himself

Did you miss the /sarc tag or are you serious? Spencer is one of the KINGs of anti-Jihad thought and writing.

38 EC Marm  4/21/08 11:36:54 am reply quote 0

re: #32 coquimbojoe

Ya know, I would like a good definition of the differences between Neo and Paleo cons. I am conservative, always have been, always will be. I don't really know where I fall though.


Wiki paleoconservative. You'll see the difference. Among other things, there is a certain Ron Paul style of isolationism to the paleos.

39 zombie  4/21/08 11:37:39 am reply quote 6

re: #31 Peacekeeper

Are you alluding to how (for example) Patrick Buchanan has descended into brown shirt patriotism?

Yes, partly. Also referring to the Creationist camp, which bring so much baggage with them that they scare off many people who otherwise would like to "join our side."

Creationists can be creationists if they want to be. Fine. And moonbats will always be moonbats. What I'm talking about those people who currently vote Democratic as a knee-jerk response, but have doubts, and would secretly like to make the switch to LGF-style politics, but don't want to be on the same team of either the Buchananites or the creationists.

We should craft a safe and palatable landing pad for them. A stepping stone to sanity.

40 Peacekeeper  4/21/08 11:38:25 am reply quote 0

There is a certain strain of alleged conservatism that claims all our problems can be solved terrorism, oil, by abandoning Israel.
They get to kill Jews, we get cheap oil. Everybody wins.

/feh.

41 Roger  4/21/08 11:38:40 am reply quote 1

re: #13 Killgore Trout

not speak at events these groups and their supporters are attending.

I think he should speak at such events. Let them sit in silence; maybe absorb some truth; take it home and discuss it around the dinner table. And come to a realization. Find a path to understanding.

42 m  4/21/08 11:39:05 am reply quote -1

re: #13 Killgore Trout

He was hanging with Atlas just a week ago.

(it was posted a week ago, not sure when it took place)

43 Peacekeeper  4/21/08 11:39:42 am reply quote 0

re: #37 soccerdad

yep you missed it.

(the last time I posted this I inspired not one, but two websites charging me with being a secret jihadist, so this time I’ll probably be Satan himself),

44 savage_nation[deleted]  4/21/08 11:39:51 am -1
45 Killgore Trout  4/21/08 11:44:01 am reply quote 0

re: #39 zombie

You might be on to something. I noticed this on the referrers list about out Stein thread.


Surprising for some people are the harsh criticisms from what would otherwise be considered conservative circles. For instance, Charles Johnson, curator of Little Green Footballs, one of the more important blogs on the Internet, linked to the NCSE website against Expelled. The 2,000 plus comments (as of this writing) mainly by people who are angry with Stein for his documentary, only tells me that a) conservatism as a movement is not necessarily friendly with Bible-believing evangelicals like myself, merely just tolerating them for the sake of some faked "unity" when they need to use them, b) again shows the significance of the evolution/creation presuppositions of a person's fundamental worldview, and c) shows the willingness by even conservatives to compromise their views of free inquiry, and this from a large group of folks who grouse against radical liberals suppression of thought at universities and Islamic intolerance in Europe.

Check his side bar for his other posts. He seems obsessed with gay bashing. Is this someone who supports human rights?

46 MandyManners  4/21/08 11:44:03 am reply quote 4

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?

47 m  4/21/08 11:45:09 am reply quote 0

Hey [[[[[Savage]]]]]! What's hap'enin!

48 Killgore Trout  4/21/08 11:45:23 am reply quote -1

re: #42 m

That's a bummer.

49 MandyManners  4/21/08 11:45:36 am reply quote 0

re: #46 MandyManners

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?

Notice that my post is not in response to Kilgore's which was a few seconds before mine.

50 MandyManners  4/21/08 11:45:54 am reply quote 0

*sigh*

Talking to myself.

51 storagemanager  4/21/08 11:46:25 am reply quote 0

re: #50 MandyManners

*sigh*

Talking to myself.


Naw..I hear ya

52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  4/21/08 11:46:48 am reply quote 4

re: #46 MandyManners

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?

Just so long as we all agree on the Flying Spaghetti Monster, we can get along fine

53 savage_nation[deleted]  4/21/08 11:47:01 am 0
54 EC Marm  4/21/08 11:47:29 am reply quote 0

re: #46 MandyManners

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?


See #26.

55 Killgore Trout  4/21/08 11:47:30 am reply quote 1

re: #41 Roger

I think it's harmful to associate with them and speak at their events. They aren't going to learn anything and it gives racist groups a path to legitimacy while damaging the credibility of the anti-Jihad movement.

56 debutaunt  4/21/08 11:47:41 am reply quote 0

re: #46 MandyManners

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?

That just won't happen as long as we have a choice.

57 LanceKates  4/21/08 11:47:49 am reply quote 4

Let's be real.

We're fighting against those who would kill us for not being them.

We share a common enemy with those who would want to kill an arab or a muslim simply for existing (which is the same perverted mindset that the jihadis use)

They're going to come to our rally cry, for their own perverted reasons, no matter how we distance ourselves from them.

We ought to expect it and be able to publically seperate ourselves from them....

But, it should never be a suprise when they show up.

OUR cause is good and, dare I say, Holy. Their cause is evil.

Evil has never had a problem with trying to pervert Good.

That is how evil operates...

It truly is the Dark Side of the Force.

58 TalkinKamel  4/21/08 11:48:01 am reply quote 0

#50 MandyManners

Nope, I'm here.

*sigh* yeah, it's beginning to look like we'd all better be in lock-step. Or else.

59 MandyManners  4/21/08 11:48:21 am reply quote 0

re: #51 storagemanager

Naw..I hear ya

One would think I've been here long enough to know how to post.

60 MandyManners  4/21/08 11:48:58 am reply quote 3

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just so long as we all agree on the Flying Spaghetti Monster, we can get along fine

Pastafarianism!

61 zombie  4/21/08 11:49:04 am reply quote 0

re: #45 Killgore Trout

You might be on to something. I noticed this on the referrers list about out Stein thread.


Check his side bar for his other posts. He seems obsessed with gay bashing. Is this someone who supports human rights?

Ick. I see stuff about "inerrancy" on his sidebar. (Of the Bible that is.)

That is exactly the kind of person that will scare away wavering middle-of-the-roaders.

62 alegrias  4/21/08 11:49:14 am reply quote 4

re: #46 MandyManners

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?

* * *

I much prefer we discuss what we agree our country was founded on & what is at stake if our country is handed over to totalitarians who don't respect individuals' right to worship & free speech.

Our Western Civilization which defends freedom of worship is at stake!

63 m  4/21/08 11:49:29 am reply quote 0

re: #53 savage_nation

I think:

neonatal occupational therapy

?

Can't babies be babies first?! Before you kick them in the ass and put 'em to work?!

/ ;-)

64 TalkinKamel  4/21/08 11:49:51 am reply quote 0

#54 EC Marm

Uh-huh. We're all gonna have to march in lock-step, alright.

65 MandyManners  4/21/08 11:50:00 am reply quote 0

re: #54 EC Marm

See #26.

Not gonna' go there. But, wait. Did I already do that?

66 MandyManners  4/21/08 11:50:18 am reply quote 0

re: #56 debutaunt

That just won't happen as long as we have a choice.

Agreed.

67 MandyManners  4/21/08 11:50:54 am reply quote 0

re: #58 TalkinKamel

#50 MandyManners

Nope, I'm here.

*sigh* yeah, it's beginning to look like we'd all better be in lock-step. Or else.

I don't buy that. Not at all.

68 savage_nation[deleted]  4/21/08 11:50:57 am 0
69 Roger  4/21/08 11:51:12 am reply quote 1

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Their events yea. But one they attend and he says what is written in this link? People need to have information placed into their ears and they need to read and get it over some time.

70 LanceKates  4/21/08 11:51:13 am reply quote 0

re: #60 MandyManners

Pastafarianism!

Just as the Norse gods were all destined to die.... so will the spaghetti monster.... for I am italian and like spaghetti.

71 MandyManners  4/21/08 11:51:30 am reply quote 0

re: #62 alegrias

* * *

I much prefer we discuss what we agree our country was founded on & what is at stake if our country is handed over to totalitarians who don't respect individuals' right to worship & free speech.

Our Western Civilization which defends freedom of worship is at stake!

I'm with you.

72 soccerdad  4/21/08 11:51:41 am reply quote 0

re: #43 Peacekeeper

yep you missed it.

No...I read that part and figured you were kidding. Just the way your post looked, made me want to make sure...Thanks.

73 mean Gene  4/21/08 11:52:04 am reply quote 0

Gosh.
Does this ever need to be screamed from the rooftops!

Now, who all should I send it to?
(Everyone)

74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  4/21/08 11:52:28 am reply quote 0

re: #70 LanceKates

Just as the Norse gods were all destined to die.... so will the spaghetti monster.... for I am italian and like spaghetti.

I believe that is the oddest post I have ever seen. Congratulations.

75 Killgore Trout  4/21/08 11:52:48 am reply quote 2

re: #69 Roger

I think maybe he needs to make his antiracist opinions part of his of his regular speeches.

76 EC Marm  4/21/08 11:53:00 am reply quote 0

re: #64 TalkinKamel

#54 EC Marm

Uh-huh. We're all gonna have to march in lock-step, alright.


Is a purge on the way? No room in this tent for people of faith, is the way I'm reading that.

77 LanceKates  4/21/08 11:53:04 am reply quote 0

OT: Bank of America Net Income falls 77% on 6 Billion in bad debt.

I wonder how much of that was from their credit cards for illegals.

78 LanceKates  4/21/08 11:53:42 am reply quote 0

re: #74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I believe that is the oddest post I have ever seen. Congratulations.

Thank you.... thank you... I'm here all week. Try the veal...

79 Roger  4/21/08 11:54:16 am reply quote 0

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Yep! I suspect he knows it too.

80 storagemanager  4/21/08 11:54:17 am reply quote 0

re: #76 EC Marm

Is a purge on the way? No room in this tent for people of faith, is the way I'm reading that.


Just hide your Bible...it will be ok.

81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  4/21/08 11:54:38 am reply quote 0

re: #78 LanceKates

Thank you.... thank you... I'm here all week. Try the veal...

No thanks. Gonna have the Baby Seal Club Sandwich.

82 Killgore Trout  4/21/08 11:55:02 am reply quote 1

re: #76 EC Marm

I find that very unlikely.

83 savage_nation[deleted]  4/21/08 11:55:33 am 0
84 sparrowlake  4/21/08 11:55:59 am reply quote 0

re: #26 zombie

Spencer is 100% correct.

This actually connects to the thread last night. Just as the anti-jihad movement in Europe needs to stay above associations that will drag it down, the "neo-con/anti-idiotarian/etc." movement in the US needs to distance itself from paleo-cons and other old-fashioned believers for it to become a viable alternative to moonbattery.

No one has yet articulated a political position along these lines, however. Unfortiunately.

Surely you are not suggesting that fanaticism, whether religious or political, is a much greater danger to our freedoms than small-L liberalism or small-C conservatism./

85 EC Marm  4/21/08 11:56:03 am reply quote 1

re: #80 storagemanager

Just hide your Bible...it will be ok.


But I'm from Pencilvainya. I cling to my faith, and my guns, and my antipathy, I tells ya!

86 LanceKates  4/21/08 11:56:04 am reply quote 6

re: #26 zombie

Spencer is 100% correct.

This actually connects to the thread last night. Just as the anti-jihad movement in Europe needs to stay above associations that will drag it down, the "neo-con/anti-idiotarian/etc." movement in the US needs to distance itself from paleo-cons and other old-fashioned believers for it to become a viable alternative to moonbattery.

No one has yet articulated a political position along these lines, however. Unfortiunately.

Those stupid.... christians....

?

I'm kind of tired of seeing alot of anti-christian sentiment, then people pulling the victim card when we knuckle-dragging christians speak up.

87 LanceKates  4/21/08 11:56:39 am reply quote 1

re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No thanks. Gonna have the Baby Seal Club Sandwich.

That's the clubbed baby seal club sandwhich.

88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  4/21/08 11:57:03 am reply quote 1

re: #87 LanceKates

That's the clubbed baby seal club sandwhich.

Too redundant.

89 scaramouche  4/21/08 11:57:04 am reply quote 2

I prefer to think of it as "anti-sharia resistance" since "jihad"--that is, violence and terrorism--is but a small part of the overall strategy to put Islamic law in the driver's seat.

I've come to realize that it's not a "war on terrorism" or a "clash of civilizations." It's a fight to the finish between two competing, antithetial systems of law--God-law, or law based on revelation vs. man-made law, the law based on reason, the law of the West.

90 Neo Con since 9-11  4/21/08 11:57:17 am reply quote 0

re: #70 LanceKates

Just as the Norse gods were all destined to die.... so will the spaghetti monster.... for I am italian and like spaghetti.

We may not agree on whether the spaghetti monster evolved or was created by an intelligent designer, but we can all agree it must be consumed.

91 LanceKates  4/21/08 11:57:47 am reply quote 0

re: #88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Too redundant.

Report me to the Redundancy Department for Reported Redundancy Reports.

92 savage_nation[deleted]  4/21/08 11:57:53 am 0
93 storagemanager  4/21/08 11:58:02 am reply quote 0

We are in a religious war..many refuse to see it..oh well.

94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  4/21/08 11:58:35 am reply quote 0

re: #87 LanceKates

By the way Lance, went upthread a little and saw the Spaghetti Monster quote earlier, which makes your post make sense. Which removes it from the oddest quote I ever say category. Very odd; but I've seen odder.

95 debutaunt  4/21/08 11:58:53 am reply quote 0

re: #90 Neo Con since 9/11

We may not agree on whether the spaghetti monster evolved or was created by an intelligent designer, but we can all agree it must be consumed.

Pastafarians are a mellow people and do eat well.

96 galloping granny  4/21/08 11:59:06 am reply quote 0

re: #67 MandyManners

I don't buy that. Not at all.

Me either Mandy. "Marching in lock step" sounds just exactly like "Submit or Die!" to me. No choices there.

97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  4/21/08 11:59:20 am reply quote 0

re: #92 savage_nation

Lance, I didnt know your a paisan like me. :)

A good old Italiano here as well

98 LanceKates  4/21/08 11:59:58 am reply quote 1

re: #92 savage_nation

Lance, I didnt know your a paisan like me. :)

Heh.. as long as you call us paisans and not WOPs, we're just fine... lol.

I'm Italian, German and Native American.

Get off my land or I'll invade you with my supply of meatballs.

lol.

99 Thanos  4/21/08 12:00:12 pm reply quote 0

He's getting somewhat besieged by the usual culprits in comments, I'm tied up this afternoon on calls at work or I would go play. :(

100 LanceKates  4/21/08 12:00:19 pm reply quote 0

re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way Lance, went upthread a little and saw the Spaghetti Monster quote earlier, which makes your post make sense. Which removes it from the oddest quote I ever say category. Very odd; but I've seen odder.

snubbed again.

I blame congress.

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  4/21/08 12:00:30 pm reply quote 0

re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Which removes it from the oddest quote I ever saw category.

PIMF...Sorry Lance. Sure you are crushed.

102 zombie  4/21/08 12:00:37 pm reply quote 0

re: #77 LanceKates

OT: Bank of America Net Income falls 77% on 6 Billion in bad debt.

I wonder how much of that was from their credit cards for illegals.

It's most probably sub-prime mortgage loans that were defaulted. (Many of which were indeed granted to illegals, actually.)

103 savage_nation[deleted]  4/21/08 12:00:40 pm 0
104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  4/21/08 12:00:58 pm reply quote 0

re: #98 LanceKates

Heh.. as long as you call us paisans and not WOPs, we're just fine... lol.

I'm Italian, German and Native American.

Get off my land or I'll invade you with my supply of meatballs.

lol.

WHAT THE HELL? Are we related?

105 Honorary Yooper  4/21/08 12:01:15 pm reply quote 1

re: #76 EC Marm

Is a purge on the way? No room in this tent for people of faith, is the way I'm reading that.

No, there is plenty of room. There are also plenty of people of faith who are on each side as well.

Anyway, I sincerely doubt Charles has a purge coming.

106 LanceKates  4/21/08 12:01:30 pm reply quote 0

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WHAT THE HELL? Are we related?

Could be. Do you have a peg leg and say "ARRRR" all the time?

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  4/21/08 12:01:49 pm reply quote 0

re: #102 zombie

It's most probably sub-prime mortgage loans that were defaulted. (Many of which were indeed granted to illegals, actually.)

Lie...Bad Credit, No Problem!

Truth...Bad credit, big problem

108 savage_nation[deleted]  4/21/08 12:02:19 pm 0
109 debutaunt  4/21/08 12:02:54 pm reply quote 0

re: #105 Honorary Yooper

No, there is plenty of room. There are also plenty of people of faith who are on each side as well.

Anyway, I sincerely doubt Charles has a purge coming.

A purge at LGF - what a ridiculous concept.

110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  4/21/08 12:02:59 pm reply quote 0

re: #108 savage_nation

Hey, I'm Italian, Sicilian, German, Dutch, English, Welsh and a bit of eeevil French. So get off MY land or its a plate of pasta fazoli for you....

I am Welsh, Irish, British and Scottish...Bangers and Mash for everyone!

111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  4/21/08 12:03:09 pm reply quote 0

re: #106 LanceKates

Could be. Do you have a peg leg and say "ARRRR" all the time?

No, but my brother is the mastermind behind this.

112 alegrias  4/21/08 12:03:21 pm reply quote 5

Spains' anti-jihad resistance took 800 years because the country was divided against itself, and as Abraham Lincoln said, a house divided against itself cannot stand. We HAVE to do better!

800 years it took to remove the illegal okkupayshun by islamists from Iberia!

Multicultural Spain had to unify its Celtic, Iberian, Catalonian, Portuguesey, Phoenician, Barbarian, Andalusian, Valencian, Balearic, Asturian, Basque people--all with different languages--to beat back okkupying islamists with their 800 year old mosques in every village.

It helped Spain had Charlton Heston on horseback to lead the attacks. (Obscure "El Cid" reference)

We can do better, and we don't have 800 years to do it.

113 LanceKates  4/21/08 12:03:41 pm reply quote 1

re: #108 savage_nation

Hey, I'm Italian, Sicilian, German, Dutch, English, Welsh and a bit of eeevil French. So get off MY land or its a plate of pasta fazoli for you....

Yeah, but you're part French. Doesn't that mean you have to wave a white flag when I give you a mean look?

*grin*

I love bashing the French, but truth be told, there are some very good french men and women who support us.

114 savage_nation[deleted]  4/21/08 12:03:59 pm 0
115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  4/21/08 12:03:59 pm reply quote 2

Each thread should be a clean slate. Leave any bad taste thread bitterness in the old thread.

116 debutaunt  4/21/08 12:04:00 pm reply quote 0

re: #110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am Welsh, Irish, British and Scottish...Bangers and Mash for everyone!

Not those 'veggie-bangers' !

117 Honorary Yooper  4/21/08 12:04:20 pm reply quote 0

re: #109 debutaunt

A purge at LGF - what a ridiculous concept.

The closest Charles has ever come to a "purge" is when a group of commentors decided to attack him. I believe it was called "The Friday Night Massacre". They still are pissed about it AtS*.

*Across the Street

118 LanceKates  4/21/08 12:04:27 pm reply quote 0

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, but my brother is the mastermind

119 coquimbojoe  4/21/08 12:04:42 pm reply quote 14

re: #96 galloping granny

Me either Mandy. "Marching in lock step" sounds just exactly like "Submit or Die!" to me. No choices there.

The need to march in lockstep only leads to purges. I am glad we disagree on many things. I personally learn from it. I totally respect Zombie, Killgore, Thanos and the rests' opinions on the creation. They bring a lot of great commentary to it. I would be, in my mind, dishonest if I didn't consider them carefully. When it comes to a big belief (and small ones) like creationism, all angles must be looked at. I personally am amazingly wishy washy on it, but I do emphatically believe in a God and his over all creation on the universe.

I am happy to associate with non-believers, they do not need to embrace all of my ideas for me to embrace many of theirs.

120 storagemanager  4/21/08 12:05:25 pm reply quote 2

I just posted a story of a 12 year old girl beaten to death by her father...please read it...this stuff needs to get out more.

121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  4/21/08 12:05:34 pm reply quote 1

re: #116 debutaunt

Yeah, as soon as I hit post said, "poop!"