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Spencer: Why the Anti-Jihad Resistance is Not About Race

Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:11:55 am PDT

An excellent post from Robert Spencer on the need for the anti-jihad movement to reject the white nationalists and racialists trying to hitch a ride and gain legitimacy: Jihad Watch: Why the anti-jihad resistance is not about race.

People I respect have pointed out that European culture is being overwhelmed and transformed by out-of-control Muslim immigration, and there is nothing wrong with defending it from that. I agree. But while culture has a racial component, culture and race are not identical. To reduce culture to race on a continent that has seen six million sacrificed to the idolatry of race and blood is not, in my view, the right way to defend European culture — and there must be articulated a sane and moral alternative that is clearly distinct from that and rejects it utterly. Geert Wilders in the Netherlands has managed to mount a strong stance against Islamization while avoiding dalliance with racial groups. While I am not a European and am conscious that Europeans will probably charge me with naivete and ignorance (the last time I posted this I inspired not one, but two websites charging me with being a secret jihadist, so this time I’ll probably be Satan himself), I still don’t see why it can’t be done elsewhere. Such dalliances inevitably raise the specter of neo-Nazism and white supremacism, and allow the mainstream parties to pretend that Europe faces a choice between becoming Eurabia and reviving the gas chamber. There are other ways, there have to be other ways, to deal with this.

The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people against the ways in which those human rights are contravened under Sharia, and avoid being diverted into side issues and non-issues, or formulating the problem incorrectly.

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1 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:14:05am

The anti-jihad needs to be about protecting those freedoms we hold so near and dear. Vlaams Belang and company can find the door and take off.

2 Irene NYC  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:14:10am

Well, let's just make it a general rule: all decent people should "reject the white nationalists and racialists trying to hitch a ride" on any movement.

3 Maine's Michael  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:16:51am

Racism will set back the anti-Islamist agenda.

We need everybody on board, especially ex-muslims, gays, and lesbians.

THAT is when you will know there is a critical mass, because the gay community sets the cutting edge trend for the younger left of center mainstream.

4 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:16:59am

I could care less about race. I worry about anyone who wants to kill and enslave.....

5 Thanos  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:18:50am

Well said again Mr. Spencer.

6 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:19:16am
The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people against the ways in which those human rights are contravened under Sharia, and avoid being diverted into side issues and non-issues, or formulating the problem incorrectly.


Well said. Unfortunately it will fall on many deaf ears, at GoV, Atlas and Brussels Journal.

7 itellu3times  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:21:52am
The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people against the ways in which those human rights are contravened under Sharia, ...

Yes.

8 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:22:00am
To reduce culture to race on a continent that has seen six million sacrificed to the idolatry of race and blood is not, in my view, the right way to defend European culture — and there must be articulated a sane and moral alternative that is clearly distinct from that and rejects it utterly.



Spencer Akbar!

9 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:22:38am

I think this guy might be a secret jihadist or even Staten Island himself

10 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:22:57am
11 akforty777  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:23:25am

The left will already twist our anti-jihad efforts into racism... aligning themselves farther with groups like CAIR. Its an extremely fine line but I always say we just have to keep up our good work because there are still plenty of sane Americans out there. I visit sites like LGF daily for a little reminder of what I need to continue to do.

12 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:23:33am

re: #8 BabbaZee

Tell it!

13 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:24:07am

I do hope Mr. Spencer continues to limit his association with bloggers who support these groups and to not speak at events these groups and their supporters are attending.

14 Orbit Rain  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:25:22am

...how about *not* an "anti-Jihad" movement, but a "Pro-Freedom" movement?

15 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:25:25am

TNMWP.

16 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:25:42am

re: #15 MandyManners

TNMWP.

Or, TIWP.

17 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:26:14am

Atlas must miss us.

18 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:26:39am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I do hope Mr. Spencer continues to limit his association with bloggers who support these groups and to not speak at events these groups and their supporters are attending.


There is nobody more out of place than an atheist at the Holy War.

20 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:27:44am

re: #17 Ben Hur

What can we gain by further whipping her? It's a shame.

21 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:28:30am

re: #19 BabbaZee

What did the toad say to the hungry frog?

I gotta fly!

22 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:28:37am

re: #18 Peacekeeper

There is nobody more out of place than an atheist at the Holy War.


Heh. We all have our crosses the bare.

23 latitude51  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:28:41am

re: #17 Ben Hur

I don't miss her though.

24 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:29:06am

re: #20 Peacekeeper

What can we gain by further whipping her? It's a shame.

Nothing. I can't bear to go to her site though...

25 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:29:14am

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Heh. We all have our crosses the bare.


Keep it in yer pants Spartacus.

26 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:29:25am
The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people

Spencer is 100% correct.

This actually connects to the thread last night. Just as the anti-jihad movement in Europe needs to stay above associations that will drag it down, the "neo-con/anti-idiotarian/etc." movement in the US needs to distance itself from paleo-cons and other old-fashioned believers for it to become a viable alternative to moonbattery.

No one has yet articulated a political position along these lines, however. Unfortiunately.

27 soccerdad  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:30:42am

Bravo for Spencer, VDH, Hugh hewitt, et al. for opposing Islam as a political option - I love their writings, etc.

But Coptic Priest Zacharia Botros is the guy who seems to be doing more than all of them combined, because he is offering an alternative to Islam. He is taking the fight to them, in their language, on their airwaves....pray for him. Great story about him from Private Papers:
Link:
[Link: www.victorhanson.com...]

28 wolfie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:30:48am

Islamists play the culture, religion, and race cards to bamboozle the multi-cultural Left, depending on the situation. The race card is utterly bogus and needs to be taken out of their arsenal.
And that means we do NOT want it in ours. Outside of being wrong, both morally and intellectually, it is a self-defeating strategy.

29 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:30:49am
The anti-jihad movement, if it is to become mainstream in Europe or the U.S., must articulate a positive vision of defense for the human rights of all people against the ways in which those human rights are contravened under Sharia

The vision has been articulated in the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, the Ten Commandments and Jesus' Sermon on the Mount. Idiots of the world aren't digging it.

30 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:31:27am

re: #3 Maine's Michael

Racism will set back the anti-Islamist agenda.

We need everybody on board, especially ex-muslims, gays, and lesbians.

THAT is when you will know there is a critical mass, because the gay community sets the cutting edge trend for the younger left of center mainstream.

Very true.

I think there is good news on the gay political front: i even saw a radical left-wing gay event advertised in SF -- that was anti-sharia!

i should have gone to document it. But sadly i was busy that day.

31 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:31:33am

re: #26 zombie

Are you alluding to how (for example) Patrick Buchanan has descended into brown shirt patriotism?

32 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:31:41am

re: #26 zombie

Spencer is 100% correct.

This actually connects to the thread last night. Just as the anti-jihad movement in Europe needs to stay above associations that will drag it down, the "neo-con/anti-idiotarian/etc." movement in the US needs to distance itself from paleo-cons and other old-fashioned believers for it to become a viable alternative to moonbattery.

No one has yet articulated a political position along these lines, however. Unfortiunately.

Ya know, I would like a good definition of the differences between Neo and Paleo cons. I am conservative, always have been, always will be. I don't really know where I fall though.

33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:31:56am

Anyone who thinks the fight against Islamization can be boiled down to race is on the wrong side of the fight.

34 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:32:47am

re: #27 soccerdad


But Coptic Priest Zacharia Botros is the guy who seems to be doing more than all of them combined, because he is offering an alternative to Islam. He is taking the fight to them, in their language, on their airwaves....pray for him. Great story about him from Private Papers:
Link:
[Link: www.victorhanson.com...]

Yes, Botros is great. A true hero.

I hope he converts every single Muslim to Christianity. He seems to be off to a good start!

35 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:33:10am
36 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:33:26am

I wonder if she will follow suit.

BBL

37 soccerdad  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:35:37am

re: #9 Peacekeeper

I think this guy might be a secret jihadist or even Staten Island himself

Did you miss the /sarc tag or are you serious? Spencer is one of the KINGs of anti-Jihad thought and writing.

38 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:36:54am

re: #32 coquimbojoe

Ya know, I would like a good definition of the differences between Neo and Paleo cons. I am conservative, always have been, always will be. I don't really know where I fall though.


Wiki paleoconservative. You'll see the difference. Among other things, there is a certain Ron Paul style of isolationism to the paleos.

39 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:37:39am

re: #31 Peacekeeper

Are you alluding to how (for example) Patrick Buchanan has descended into brown shirt patriotism?

Yes, partly. Also referring to the Creationist camp, which bring so much baggage with them that they scare off many people who otherwise would like to "join our side."

Creationists can be creationists if they want to be. Fine. And moonbats will always be moonbats. What I'm talking about those people who currently vote Democratic as a knee-jerk response, but have doubts, and would secretly like to make the switch to LGF-style politics, but don't want to be on the same team of either the Buchananites or the creationists.

We should craft a safe and palatable landing pad for them. A stepping stone to sanity.

40 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:38:25am

There is a certain strain of alleged conservatism that claims all our problems can be solved terrorism, oil, by abandoning Israel.
They get to kill Jews, we get cheap oil. Everybody wins.

/feh.

41 Roger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:38:40am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

not speak at events these groups and their supporters are attending.

I think he should speak at such events. Let them sit in silence; maybe absorb some truth; take it home and discuss it around the dinner table. And come to a realization. Find a path to understanding.

42 m  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:39:05am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

He was hanging with Atlas just a week ago.

(it was posted a week ago, not sure when it took place)

43 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:39:42am

re: #37 soccerdad

yep you missed it.

(the last time I posted this I inspired not one, but two websites charging me with being a secret jihadist, so this time I’ll probably be Satan himself),

44 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:39:51am
45 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:44:01am

re: #39 zombie

You might be on to something. I noticed this on the referrers list about out Stein thread.


Surprising for some people are the harsh criticisms from what would otherwise be considered conservative circles. For instance, Charles Johnson, curator of Little Green Footballs, one of the more important blogs on the Internet, linked to the NCSE website against Expelled. The 2,000 plus comments (as of this writing) mainly by people who are angry with Stein for his documentary, only tells me that a) conservatism as a movement is not necessarily friendly with Bible-believing evangelicals like myself, merely just tolerating them for the sake of some faked "unity" when they need to use them, b) again shows the significance of the evolution/creation presuppositions of a person's fundamental worldview, and c) shows the willingness by even conservatives to compromise their views of free inquiry, and this from a large group of folks who grouse against radical liberals suppression of thought at universities and Islamic intolerance in Europe.

Check his side bar for his other posts. He seems obsessed with gay bashing. Is this someone who supports human rights?

46 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:44:03am

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?

47 m  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:45:09am

Hey [[[[[Savage]]]]]! What's hap'enin!

48 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:45:23am

re: #42 m

That's a bummer.

49 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:45:36am

re: #46 MandyManners

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?

Notice that my post is not in response to Kilgore's which was a few seconds before mine.

50 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:45:54am

*sigh*

Talking to myself.

51 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:46:25am

re: #50 MandyManners

*sigh*

Talking to myself.


Naw..I hear ya

52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:46:48am

re: #46 MandyManners

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?

Just so long as we all agree on the Flying Spaghetti Monster, we can get along fine

53 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:47:01am
54 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:47:29am

re: #46 MandyManners

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?


See #26.

55 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:47:30am

re: #41 Roger

I think it's harmful to associate with them and speak at their events. They aren't going to learn anything and it gives racist groups a path to legitimacy while damaging the credibility of the anti-Jihad movement.

56 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:47:41am

re: #46 MandyManners

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?

That just won't happen as long as we have a choice.

57 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:47:49am

Let's be real.

We're fighting against those who would kill us for not being them.

We share a common enemy with those who would want to kill an arab or a muslim simply for existing (which is the same perverted mindset that the jihadis use)

They're going to come to our rally cry, for their own perverted reasons, no matter how we distance ourselves from them.

We ought to expect it and be able to publically seperate ourselves from them....

But, it should never be a suprise when they show up.

OUR cause is good and, dare I say, Holy. Their cause is evil.

Evil has never had a problem with trying to pervert Good.

That is how evil operates...

It truly is the Dark Side of the Force.

58 TalkinKamel  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:48:01am

#50 MandyManners

Nope, I'm here.

*sigh* yeah, it's beginning to look like we'd all better be in lock-step. Or else.

59 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:48:21am

re: #51 storagemanager

Naw..I hear ya

One would think I've been here long enough to know how to post.

60 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:48:58am

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just so long as we all agree on the Flying Spaghetti Monster, we can get along fine

Pastafarianism!

61 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:49:04am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

You might be on to something. I noticed this on the referrers list about out Stein thread.


Check his side bar for his other posts. He seems obsessed with gay bashing. Is this someone who supports human rights?

Ick. I see stuff about "inerrancy" on his sidebar. (Of the Bible that is.)

That is exactly the kind of person that will scare away wavering middle-of-the-roaders.

62 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:49:14am

re: #46 MandyManners

Must we all be in lock-step agreement on matters of faith?

* * *

I much prefer we discuss what we agree our country was founded on & what is at stake if our country is handed over to totalitarians who don't respect individuals' right to worship & free speech.

Our Western Civilization which defends freedom of worship is at stake!

63 m  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:49:29am

re: #53 savage_nation

I think:

neonatal occupational therapy

?

Can't babies be babies first?! Before you kick them in the ass and put 'em to work?!

/ ;-)

64 TalkinKamel  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:49:51am

#54 EC Marm

Uh-huh. We're all gonna have to march in lock-step, alright.

65 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:50:00am

re: #54 EC Marm

See #26.

Not gonna' go there. But, wait. Did I already do that?

66 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:50:18am

re: #56 debutaunt

That just won't happen as long as we have a choice.

Agreed.

67 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:50:54am

re: #58 TalkinKamel

#50 MandyManners

Nope, I'm here.

*sigh* yeah, it's beginning to look like we'd all better be in lock-step. Or else.

I don't buy that. Not at all.

68 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:50:57am
69 Roger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:51:12am

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Their events yea. But one they attend and he says what is written in this link? People need to have information placed into their ears and they need to read and get it over some time.

70 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:51:13am

re: #60 MandyManners

Pastafarianism!

Just as the Norse gods were all destined to die.... so will the spaghetti monster.... for I am italian and like spaghetti.

71 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:51:30am

re: #62 alegrias

* * *

I much prefer we discuss what we agree our country was founded on & what is at stake if our country is handed over to totalitarians who don't respect individuals' right to worship & free speech.

Our Western Civilization which defends freedom of worship is at stake!

I'm with you.

72 soccerdad  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:51:41am

re: #43 Peacekeeper

yep you missed it.

No...I read that part and figured you were kidding. Just the way your post looked, made me want to make sure...Thanks.

73 mean Gene  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:52:04am

Gosh.
Does this ever need to be screamed from the rooftops!

Now, who all should I send it to?
(Everyone)

74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:52:28am

re: #70 LanceKates

Just as the Norse gods were all destined to die.... so will the spaghetti monster.... for I am italian and like spaghetti.

I believe that is the oddest post I have ever seen. Congratulations.

75 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:52:48am

re: #69 Roger

I think maybe he needs to make his antiracist opinions part of his of his regular speeches.

76 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:53:00am

re: #64 TalkinKamel

#54 EC Marm

Uh-huh. We're all gonna have to march in lock-step, alright.


Is a purge on the way? No room in this tent for people of faith, is the way I'm reading that.

77 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:53:04am

OT: Bank of America Net Income falls 77% on 6 Billion in bad debt.

I wonder how much of that was from their credit cards for illegals.

78 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:53:42am

re: #74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I believe that is the oddest post I have ever seen. Congratulations.

Thank you.... thank you... I'm here all week. Try the veal...

79 Roger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:54:16am

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Yep! I suspect he knows it too.

80 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:54:17am

re: #76 EC Marm

Is a purge on the way? No room in this tent for people of faith, is the way I'm reading that.


Just hide your Bible...it will be ok.

81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:54:38am

re: #78 LanceKates

Thank you.... thank you... I'm here all week. Try the veal...

No thanks. Gonna have the Baby Seal Club Sandwich.

82 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:55:02am

re: #76 EC Marm

I find that very unlikely.

83 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:55:33am
84 sparrowlake  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:55:59am

re: #26 zombie

Spencer is 100% correct.

This actually connects to the thread last night. Just as the anti-jihad movement in Europe needs to stay above associations that will drag it down, the "neo-con/anti-idiotarian/etc." movement in the US needs to distance itself from paleo-cons and other old-fashioned believers for it to become a viable alternative to moonbattery.

No one has yet articulated a political position along these lines, however. Unfortiunately.

Surely you are not suggesting that fanaticism, whether religious or political, is a much greater danger to our freedoms than small-L liberalism or small-C conservatism./

85 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:56:03am

re: #80 storagemanager

Just hide your Bible...it will be ok.


But I'm from Pencilvainya. I cling to my faith, and my guns, and my antipathy, I tells ya!

86 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:56:04am

re: #26 zombie

Spencer is 100% correct.

This actually connects to the thread last night. Just as the anti-jihad movement in Europe needs to stay above associations that will drag it down, the "neo-con/anti-idiotarian/etc." movement in the US needs to distance itself from paleo-cons and other old-fashioned believers for it to become a viable alternative to moonbattery.

No one has yet articulated a political position along these lines, however. Unfortiunately.

Those stupid.... christians....

?

I'm kind of tired of seeing alot of anti-christian sentiment, then people pulling the victim card when we knuckle-dragging christians speak up.

87 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:56:39am

re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No thanks. Gonna have the Baby Seal Club Sandwich.

That's the clubbed baby seal club sandwhich.

88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:57:03am

re: #87 LanceKates

That's the clubbed baby seal club sandwhich.

Too redundant.

89 scaramouche  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:57:04am

I prefer to think of it as "anti-sharia resistance" since "jihad"--that is, violence and terrorism--is but a small part of the overall strategy to put Islamic law in the driver's seat.

I've come to realize that it's not a "war on terrorism" or a "clash of civilizations." It's a fight to the finish between two competing, antithetial systems of law--God-law, or law based on revelation vs. man-made law, the law based on reason, the law of the West.

90 Neo Con since 9-11  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:57:17am

re: #70 LanceKates

Just as the Norse gods were all destined to die.... so will the spaghetti monster.... for I am italian and like spaghetti.

We may not agree on whether the spaghetti monster evolved or was created by an intelligent designer, but we can all agree it must be consumed.

91 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:57:47am

re: #88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Too redundant.

Report me to the Redundancy Department for Reported Redundancy Reports.

92 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:57:53am
93 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:58:02am

We are in a religious war..many refuse to see it..oh well.

94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:58:35am

re: #87 LanceKates

By the way Lance, went upthread a little and saw the Spaghetti Monster quote earlier, which makes your post make sense. Which removes it from the oddest quote I ever say category. Very odd; but I've seen odder.

95 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:58:53am

re: #90 Neo Con since 9/11

We may not agree on whether the spaghetti monster evolved or was created by an intelligent designer, but we can all agree it must be consumed.

Pastafarians are a mellow people and do eat well.

96 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:59:06am

re: #67 MandyManners

I don't buy that. Not at all.

Me either Mandy. "Marching in lock step" sounds just exactly like "Submit or Die!" to me. No choices there.

97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:59:20am

re: #92 savage_nation

Lance, I didnt know your a paisan like me. :)

A good old Italiano here as well

98 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 11:59:58am

re: #92 savage_nation

Lance, I didnt know your a paisan like me. :)

Heh.. as long as you call us paisans and not WOPs, we're just fine... lol.

I'm Italian, German and Native American.

Get off my land or I'll invade you with my supply of meatballs.

lol.

99 Thanos  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:00:12pm

He's getting somewhat besieged by the usual culprits in comments, I'm tied up this afternoon on calls at work or I would go play. :(

100 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:00:19pm

re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way Lance, went upthread a little and saw the Spaghetti Monster quote earlier, which makes your post make sense. Which removes it from the oddest quote I ever say category. Very odd; but I've seen odder.

snubbed again.

I blame congress.

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:00:30pm

re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Which removes it from the oddest quote I ever saw category.

PIMF...Sorry Lance. Sure you are crushed.

102 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:00:37pm

re: #77 LanceKates

OT: Bank of America Net Income falls 77% on 6 Billion in bad debt.

I wonder how much of that was from their credit cards for illegals.

It's most probably sub-prime mortgage loans that were defaulted. (Many of which were indeed granted to illegals, actually.)

103 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:00:40pm
104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:00:58pm

re: #98 LanceKates

Heh.. as long as you call us paisans and not WOPs, we're just fine... lol.

I'm Italian, German and Native American.

Get off my land or I'll invade you with my supply of meatballs.

lol.

WHAT THE HELL? Are we related?

105 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:01:15pm

re: #76 EC Marm

Is a purge on the way? No room in this tent for people of faith, is the way I'm reading that.

No, there is plenty of room. There are also plenty of people of faith who are on each side as well.

Anyway, I sincerely doubt Charles has a purge coming.

106 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:01:30pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WHAT THE HELL? Are we related?

Could be. Do you have a peg leg and say "ARRRR" all the time?

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:01:49pm

re: #102 zombie

It's most probably sub-prime mortgage loans that were defaulted. (Many of which were indeed granted to illegals, actually.)

Lie...Bad Credit, No Problem!

Truth...Bad credit, big problem

108 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:02:19pm
109 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:02:54pm

re: #105 Honorary Yooper

No, there is plenty of room. There are also plenty of people of faith who are on each side as well.

Anyway, I sincerely doubt Charles has a purge coming.

A purge at LGF - what a ridiculous concept.

110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:02:59pm

re: #108 savage_nation

Hey, I'm Italian, Sicilian, German, Dutch, English, Welsh and a bit of eeevil French. So get off MY land or its a plate of pasta fazoli for you....

I am Welsh, Irish, British and Scottish...Bangers and Mash for everyone!

111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:03:09pm

re: #106 LanceKates

Could be. Do you have a peg leg and say "ARRRR" all the time?

No, but my brother is the mastermind behind this.

112 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:03:21pm

Spains' anti-jihad resistance took 800 years because the country was divided against itself, and as Abraham Lincoln said, a house divided against itself cannot stand. We HAVE to do better!

800 years it took to remove the illegal okkupayshun by islamists from Iberia!

Multicultural Spain had to unify its Celtic, Iberian, Catalonian, Portuguesey, Phoenician, Barbarian, Andalusian, Valencian, Balearic, Asturian, Basque people--all with different languages--to beat back okkupying islamists with their 800 year old mosques in every village.

It helped Spain had Charlton Heston on horseback to lead the attacks. (Obscure "El Cid" reference)

We can do better, and we don't have 800 years to do it.

113 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:03:41pm

re: #108 savage_nation

Hey, I'm Italian, Sicilian, German, Dutch, English, Welsh and a bit of eeevil French. So get off MY land or its a plate of pasta fazoli for you....

Yeah, but you're part French. Doesn't that mean you have to wave a white flag when I give you a mean look?

*grin*

I love bashing the French, but truth be told, there are some very good french men and women who support us.

114 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:03:59pm
115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:03:59pm

Each thread should be a clean slate. Leave any bad taste thread bitterness in the old thread.

116 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:04:00pm

re: #110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am Welsh, Irish, British and Scottish...Bangers and Mash for everyone!

Not those 'veggie-bangers' !

117 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:04:20pm

re: #109 debutaunt

A purge at LGF - what a ridiculous concept.

The closest Charles has ever come to a "purge" is when a group of commentors decided to attack him. I believe it was called "The Friday Night Massacre". They still are pissed about it AtS*.

*Across the Street

118 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:04:27pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, but my brother is the mastermind behind this.

Heh. Now that's funny.

I don't act like a pirate either.

Until they outlaw guns. Then I'll be quite the pirate.

119 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:04:42pm

re: #96 galloping granny

Me either Mandy. "Marching in lock step" sounds just exactly like "Submit or Die!" to me. No choices there.

The need to march in lockstep only leads to purges. I am glad we disagree on many things. I personally learn from it. I totally respect Zombie, Killgore, Thanos and the rests' opinions on the creation. They bring a lot of great commentary to it. I would be, in my mind, dishonest if I didn't consider them carefully. When it comes to a big belief (and small ones) like creationism, all angles must be looked at. I personally am amazingly wishy washy on it, but I do emphatically believe in a God and his over all creation on the universe.

I am happy to associate with non-believers, they do not need to embrace all of my ideas for me to embrace many of theirs.

120 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:05:25pm

I just posted a story of a 12 year old girl beaten to death by her father...please read it...this stuff needs to get out more.

121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:05:34pm

re: #116 debutaunt

Yeah, as soon as I hit post said, "poop!"

122 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:05:41pm

re: #87 LanceKates

That's the clubbed baby seal club sandwhich.


* * *
Brigitte Bardot objects strongly to this, and she's a counter-jihadist who's gone to jail for her beliefs.

123 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:06:01pm

re: #110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am Welsh, Irish, British and Scottish...Bangers and Mash for everyone!

Lutefisk anyone? That crap will drive you away for sure.

124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:06:09pm

I'm Italian-Scottish out of Connecticut on one side and German-Native American out of Texas on the other who was born and raised in CA and married a Japanese woman. I'm a mutt. Of course, I am white so I'm obviously a racist bastard.

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:06:23pm

re: #122 alegrias

* * *
Brigitte Bardot objects strongly to this, and she's a counter-jihadist who's gone to jail for her beliefs.

Loves me some Bardot.

126 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:06:32pm

re: #122 alegrias

* * *
Brigitte Bardot objects strongly to this, and she's a counter-jihadist who's gone to jail for her beliefs.

point?

127 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:06:33pm

re: #117 Honorary Yooper

The closest Charles has ever come to a "purge" is when a group of commentors decided to attack him. I believe it was called "The Friday Night Massacre". They still are pissed about it AtS*.

*Across the Street

Cleaning garbage out is a far cry from a scary ol' purge.

128 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:06:34pm

re: #98 LanceKates

Heh.. as long as you call us paisans and not WOPs, we're just fine... lol.

I'm Italian, German and Native American.

Get off my land or I'll invade you with my supply of meatballs.

lol.

Do you mean you were born here in the US, like all of the other native Americans, LanceKate?

Let me quote a rather famous American Indian to you. His name is Carlos Nikai & he is a rather famous musician. At a concert at Dartmouth, about 3 years ago -

"All of us here in this room who were born in America, we're all native Americans. I am a native American. I am also proud to be an American Indian of the Navajo tribe."

/We have to let them keep Manhattan. They did pay for that.

129 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:06:42pm
130 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:13pm

re: #129 savage_nation

Only 1/16th.

So, its a small white flag?

131 J.S.  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:15pm

If anyone needs yet another reminder that the battle against Jihadists and their ideology is NOT about "race" -- then just look to Jimmy Carter. Now there's the ultimate pro-Hamas, pro-Jihadist sympathizer, who also happens to be white...and G-d only knows what "culture" the filthy antisemite embraces...There are articles from Commentary magazine about how Jimmy, the antisemite, wrote the talking points for Arafat -- that was Jimmah's love interest, no doubt -- to explain to Arafat how better "to sell" Arafat's terrorist, antisemitic, murderer's "sentiments" and make them "acceptable" for Western ears and leaders of governments. Apparently, Jimmah the peanut farmer is continuing along the same path -- only this time writing the speeches and talking points (to make a murderous agenda more acceptable to the Europeans, KKKers, UN, etc.) for HAMAS.

132 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:25pm
133 TalkinKamel  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:43pm

#76 EC Marm

Hey, I'm probably wrong about that! (Wouldn't be the first time.) MandyManners, Post #67, probably has the right of it.

134 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:48pm
135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:51pm

re: #120 storagemanager

I just posted a story of a 12 year old girl beaten to death by her father...please read it...this stuff needs to get out more.

Gonna make me sad/mad, but, where?

136 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:52pm

re: #120 storagemanager

I just posted a story of a 12 year old girl beaten to death by her father...please read it...this stuff needs to get out more.

It's a shame, but this stuff seems to go on on a daily basis in the Middle East and places just east of there. It's a lack of respect for human life that leads to things like honor killings.

I do wish our media would report on it. Might piss off enough people about it.

/sigh

137 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:53pm

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm Italian-Scottish out of Connecticut on one side and German-Native American out of Texas on the other who was born and raised in CA and married a Japanese woman. I'm a mutt. Of course, I am white so I'm obviously a racist bastard.

only a racist white person would make note of their race.

unless you're Obama who transcends race.

Point of confusion, however.... Obama is half arab and half white. Why is it that he's accepted in the black liberation theology circles?

138 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:07:58pm

re: #39 zombie

Yep, them there folks wouldn't want to be even seen with them there Gun-totin, Bible thumpin, hard-working, strong willed people who believe in something that no one can ever disprove.
And man are we bitter ...

[Link: farm2.static.flickr.com...]

139 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:08:14pm

re: #113 LanceKates

Yeah, but you're part French. Doesn't that mean you have to wave a white flag when I give you a mean look?

*grin*

I love bashing the French, but truth be told, there are some very good french men and women who support us.

The warlike French all came here and brought that stinking tomahawk with them.

140 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:09:21pm

re: #136 Honorary Yooper
spin-off..Islam

141 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:09:48pm

re: #128 galloping granny

That too!

heh. I love to point that out to people who like to use hyphenated titles. "I'm Africian-American"

No, you're Native American, unless you were born in Africa.

I get called racist alot, actually.
*ponders*

But I am of the Otoe-Missouri tribe. Just not enough blood to make their rolls.

142 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:10:02pm

re: #123 coquimbojoe

Lutefisk anyone? That crap will drive you away for sure.

* * *
It's not "driving away" lamb-slaughtering islamists from Minnesota who think dogs unclean, so lutefisk can't be that bad.

143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:10:13pm

re: #137 LanceKates

only a racist white person would make note of their race.

unless you're Obama who transcends race.

Point of confusion, however.... Obama is half arab and half white. Why is it that he's accepted in the black liberation theology circles?

Because Whitey was keeping him down, making his dad ditch his mom while his Grand Parents raised him and oppressed him so much he could go to college and go globe trotting. Oh, the oppression!

144 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:10:16pm

re: #129 savage_nation

Only 1/16th.

does that mean it is a napkin rather than a flag?

(I'm kidding... you're a good one. How's the daughter?)

145 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:10:27pm

re: #141 LanceKates

That too!

heh. I love to point that out to people who like to use hyphenated titles. "I'm Africian-American"

No, you're Native American, unless you were born in Africa.

I get called racist alot, actually.
*ponders*

But I am of the Otoe-Missouri tribe. Just not enough blood to make their rolls.

What about some of that sweet casino windfall money?

146 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:10:45pm

re: #122 alegrias


Brigitte Bardot objects strongly to this, and she's a counter-jihadist who's gone to jail for her beliefs.


That brings up the topic at hand. Ever wonder why we haven't had a Brigitte Bardot thread here? Many "right wing" site haven't covered it. It's because she's married to a Le Penn supporter and is most likely involved in racist European politics. It's poison for us to associate with her.

147 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:11:23pm

re: #142 alegrias

* * *
It's not "driving away" lamb-slaughtering islamists from Minnesota who think dogs unclean, so lutefisk can't be that bad.

My liberal cousins up there are wrongly serving abelskeevers.....

148 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:11:35pm

re: #138 Widow'smight

Yep, them there folks wouldn't want to be even seen with them there Gun-totin, Bible thumpin, hard-working, strong willed people who believe in something that no one can ever disprove.
And man are we bitter ...

[Link: farm2.static.flickr.com...]

Nice.

149 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:12:01pm

re: #139 galloping granny

The warlike French all came here and brought that stinking tomahawk with them.

bring it on... give them tomahawks, give me my pistols!

FREEEDDOOOMMM!

150 TalkinKamel  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:12:13pm

Great article by Spencer, by the way! He's always been one of my favorite writers.

151 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:12:42pm

re: #127 debutaunt

Cleaning garbage out is a far cry from a scary ol' purge.

Very true, but you try to convince them of that fact. Hell, some of the Vlaams Belangers think Charles did a purge on them. Baron Bodissey and what's-her-name think they are banned at LGF. They're not.

/Correct me if I am wrong, Charles.

152 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:12:42pm

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because Whitey was keeping him down, making his dad ditch his mom while his Grand Parents raised him and oppressed him so much he could go to college and go globe trotting. Oh, the oppression!

Where do I sign up for that oppression?

Apart from the broken home, it'd be a relief.

153 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:12:57pm

re: #120 storagemanager

I just posted a story of a 12 year old girl beaten to death by her father...please read it...this stuff needs to get out more.

The story doesn't say, and by the location this family could be either Muslim or Hindu. Any info on this from another source? Not that that matters to the poor girl at this point.

154 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:13:07pm

re: #141 LanceKates

That too!

heh. I love to point that out to people who like to use hyphenated titles. "I'm Africian-American"

No, you're Native American, unless you were born in Africa.

I get called racist alot, actually.
*ponders*

But I am of the Otoe-Missouri tribe. Just not enough blood to make their rolls.

Happens a lot when your family has been here awhile.

155 TheUnrepentantGeek  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:13:09pm

re: #26 zombie

Spencer is 100% correct.

This actually connects to the thread last night. Just as the anti-jihad movement in Europe needs to stay above associations that will drag it down, the "neo-con/anti-idiotarian/etc." movement in the US needs to distance itself from paleo-cons and other old-fashioned believers for it to become a viable alternative to moonbattery.

No one has yet articulated a political position along these lines, however. Unfortiunately.

I think you'd do well to define what is meant by "old fashioned believers." Based on your obvious contempt for theists in the Stein movie thread, I have to wonder precisely who you mean.

156 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:13:12pm

re: #145 coquimbojoe

What about some of that sweet casino windfall money?

Gotta make the rolls.

Actually, I don't know that I'd want it. Dependence is not freedom.

157 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:13:49pm
158 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:13:58pm

re: #154 galloping granny

Heh... I'm not too broken up about it. I am what I am, no matter what anyone else says that I am.

159 Daisy  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:14:37pm

Colin (aka Sulyman) the white convert to Islam, nicely demonstrates the fact that race and culture are 2 separate things: First, according to his brother, he was a 'pot smoking lay-about'. In that capacity, I'm certain he abided by the cultural norms of whacked out pot smoking lay-abouts. In his role of trophy Islamist, I trust he abided by the rules sanctioned by that crazy culture (and then some, as trophy anyones tend to do).

If one grows up in a household with 5 pianos that are regularly employed in their function one will grow up within a culture far different than a household with 5 TV sets that are regularly employed.

The reason to abjure Islamists is because of their practical ideology not their "race" (whatever the hell that may mean). Same goes for Leftists.

160 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:14:46pm

re: #138 Widow'smight

Yep, them there folks wouldn't want to be even seen with them there Gun-totin, Bible thumpin, hard-working, strong willed people who believe in something that no one can ever disprove.

Actually, what you say is quite true. That is the exact kind of person that the wannabe-ex-moonbats are afraid of being associated with. Fear of being perceived as being on the same team as "bible-thumpers" is exactly what keeps them moonbats.

If there was an anti-jihad, pro-America political identity that had no religious component, I think a lot of wavering moonbats would jump in with both feet.

161 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:14:46pm

re: #120 storagemanager

I just posted a story of a 12 year old girl beaten to death by her father...please read it...this stuff needs to get out more.

No words. Just rage and despair.

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:14:58pm

This is difficult to admit, but, I personally am having a hard time not being a racist regarding Muslims of Middle Eastern origin.

I guess it is xenophobic to have a distrust for a group where a large number of them want me to die.

This is truly a cognitive dissonance problem for me. Any help out there?

163 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:15:14pm

re: #157 savage_nation

She's fine, just getting bigger and bigger. She started showing about 2 weeks ago.

Get a load of the place she's scheduled to have her baby....

Holy crap! Looks like she'll be taken care of.

Spa services? heh.

I meant to ask... is the father being a good guy or a prick?

I'd hate to drive halfway across the country to have to beat someone.

164 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:15:36pm
165 akak  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:15:42pm
A Georgia military contractor tricked law enforcement agencies into buying faulty stun grenades, which ultimately left three FBI agents seriously injured, federal prosecutors said today. Pyrotechnic Specialties Inc. is accused of relabeling and selling "flash-bang" grenades that the U.S. military rejected after its personnel were injured

cnn

Check out the land they sit on!


[Link: www.atsdr.cdc.gov...]

166 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:15:44pm

Should 'old-fashioned believers' now change their armbands avatars to identify themselves?

167 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:15:48pm

re: #128 galloping granny

Do you mean you were born here in the US, like all of the other native Americans, LanceKate?

Let me quote a rather famous American Indian to you. His name is Carlos Nikai & he is a rather famous musician. At a concert at Dartmouth, about 3 years ago -

"All of us here in this room who were born in America, we're all native Americans. I am a native American. I am also proud to be an American Indian of the Navajo tribe."

/We have to let them keep Manhattan. They did pay for that.

* * *

It occured to me while watching the Pope's excellent weekend in America on tv that Christopher Columbus' voyages to the New World was funded by Spain's Catholic monarchs, with the help of their Catholic fundraisers.

It was excellent to discover the world wasn't flat! It was excellent to discover a new way around jihadist lands and China.

168 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:16:08pm

re: #148 LanceKates

You definately don't want to associate with that girl (or her two sisters) with the wrong intentions. That's another strike for us Creationists I guess, we'll kick your ass if you mess with our priceless children.

169 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:16:18pm

re: #160 zombie

Actually, what you say is quite true. That is the exact kind of person that the wannabe-ex-moonbats are afraid of being associated with. Fear of being perceived as being on the same team as "bible-thumpers" is exactly what keeps them moonbats.

If there was an anti-jihad, pro-America political identity that had no religious component, I think a lot of wavering moonbats would jump in with both feet.

So, to capture the atheist moderates, we need to dump the christians.

Of course, just a week or so ago, you agreed that when presented with anti-christian thought, the Christian ought to just lay back and 'take it'

So you'll excuse me if I don't hold your view of christians with much esteem.

170 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:16:42pm

re: #155 TheUnrepentantGeek

I think you'd do well to define what is meant by "old fashioned believers." Based on your obvious contempt for theists in the Stein movie thread, I have to wonder precisely who you mean.

I'm sorry, but when did that become a prerequesite for being a theist?

Please don't derail this thread anymor than it already is.

171 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:17:22pm

re: #153 Son of the Black Dog

The story doesn't say, and by the location this family could be either Muslim or Hindu. Any info on this from another source? Not that that matters to the poor girl at this point.


It is posted on a site about Muslim honour killings.

172 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:17:55pm

re: #164 savage_nation

Isn't part of your nation up in Nebraska?

Heh... I'm an American. My nation covers 50 states, brother.

As for the indian tribe.... I'm not sure. When I'm done with my schooling, I do plan on doing more research.

It took us a long time to figure that out... we previously thought we were chickisha (sp?)

173 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:18:09pm
174 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:18:17pm

Kilgore Trout

What did you say that Mr Spencer did not like?

175 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:18:25pm

re: #157 savage_nation

They got a pre-birthing Jacuzzi in there? How bout HD TV?

Where are ya right now?

176 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:18:45pm

Well, I reckon the line has been drawn. Christians are not wanted. Or, am I reading something wrong?

177 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:19:14pm

re: #168 Widow'smight

You definately don't want to associate with that girl (or her two sisters) with the wrong intentions. That's another strike for us Creationists I guess, we'll kick your ass if you mess with our priceless children.

Lol... I was referring to the picture in general.

(You still look like Dr. Cox)

But I don't know that I have wrong intentions regarding ladies.

At the moment, I have NO intentions... too much pressure as it is.

178 redstateredneck  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:20:19pm

re: #156 LanceKates

Gotta make the rolls.

Actually, I don't know that I'd want it. Dependence is not freedom.

Beats the hell out of a blanket and some beads.

179 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:20:27pm

re: #160 zombie

Actually, what you say is quite true. That is the exact kind of person that the wannabe-ex-moonbats are afraid of being associated with. Fear of being perceived as being on the same team as "bible-thumpers" is exactly what keeps them moonbats.

If there was an anti-jihad, pro-America political identity that had no religious component, I think a lot of wavering moonbats would jump in with both feet.

What's so ironic about that statement is those very people who are afraid of associating with people of faith are the same people who lecture us constantly about tolerance, freedom of speech, co-existing with those we may disagree with, live and let live, etc.

In fact, they are "afraid" of associating with people of faith because "religion" is synonymous with "ignorant", in their lexicon.

I challenge every one of you who employed this terminology on the Stein thread to take a look at yourself and ask, who is calling names and casting aspersions here?

To put it another way, why do G-d-fearing America-loving people need to abandon G-d to draw more people to their ranks?

180 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:21:05pm

re: #173 savage_nation

LOL! Just drive up US77 a couple hundred miles. Put you right in downtown Lincoln.

I'm gonna go look the place over after it opens in August. Sheesh, it looks like a five-star resort! I might just move in. Wifi, all the coffee I can drink and flat screen TV's.

Just what I need! LOL

The hospital my dad had his recent operation at was REALLY family oriented. single ICU rooms, family member could stay there 24/7 if they wanted... had a futon in the room.

Free meal, once a day, for a family member.

Very nice and caring, all around.

Even got a specially made teddy bear for him to hug onto when he's coughing, leaning, standing, etc.... to cut down on the strain on his chest.

181 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:21:10pm

OT: SCREAMING DRUDGE HEADLINE

CLINTON INTERNALS SHOW 11-POINT LEAD IN PA

Controlled excitement is building inside of Clinton's inner circle as closely guarded internal polling shows the former first lady with an 11-point lead in Pennsylvania!

Clinton is polling near to nearly 2 to 1 over Obama in many regions of the state, a top insider explained to the DRUDGE REPORT.

182 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:21:18pm

re: #149 LanceKates

bring it on... give them tomahawks, give me my pistols!

FREEEDDOOOMMM!


Actually Lance, one of the most interesting of the French to come here was a French nobleman that originally came to North America as a young Ensign (~13-15 or so). He loved North America, so he came back almost immediately and helped to settle what eventually became northern Maine and Nova Scotia, first living with and then marrying into the Abenaki tribe that lived there. He had a number of children, every one of which he registered as nobility in France. He also inherited leadership of the Abenaki from his wives' father. Those children eventually inherited both the French lands/title and the leadership of the tribe.

Massachusetts Bay Colony eventually declared war on him - a war that has never been settled by treaty - probably why the US government does not recognize the Abenaki.

183 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:21:31pm

re: #176 MandyManners

Well, I reckon the line has been drawn. Christians are not wanted. Or, am I reading something wrong?

You're always wanted where I am, Mandy.

And banning aside, I don't plan on leaving.

184 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:21:55pm

re: #155 TheUnrepentantGeek

I think you'd do well to define what is meant by "old fashioned believers." Based on your obvious contempt for theists in the Stein movie thread, I have to wonder precisely who you mean.

Religious fundamentalists, mostly.

I'm talking strategy here. The political reality is that the vast majority of moonbats see religion as noxious and creationism as a serious threat. They have this inner urge to abandon the moonbat hive-mind, but they're so afraid of being seen as on the same team as religious fundamentalists and creationists that they stay in the moonbat camp.

This has nothing to do with you, me, or the veracity of creationism. It's just about political maneuvering. A "halfway house" for recovering moonbats would be very useful.

185 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:22:11pm

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is difficult to admit, but, I personally am having a hard time not being a racist regarding Muslims of Middle Eastern origin.

I guess it is xenophobic to have a distrust for a group where a large number of them want me to die.

This is truly a cognitive dissonance problem for me. Any help out there?

There's a difference between "I identify this person as a possible member of a group whose stated goal is to kill me, therefore I will exercise caution" and "I hate this person because they are a possible member of a group whose stated goal is to kill me, therefore I will persecute them in any way possible."

186 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:22:13pm

re: #178 redstateredneck

Beats the hell out of a blanket and some beads.

Hey... it could have been a REALLY cool blanket... like... with Han Solo on it or something.....

*grin*

Alot of what we've been taught about the indians is biased to make white man look evil....

187 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:22:26pm

re: #176 MandyManners

Well, I reckon the line has been drawn. Christians are not wanted. Or, am I reading something wrong?

Well, I am a Christian (specifically Catholic), and I'm here, and I don't hold any of those beliefs that Stein talks about. To equate Christians with a certain type of belief that only a few sects share is disineguous, IMHO. Considering the vast number of sects, there seem to be a lot of different ways one can call himself Christian.

To be a Christian, I thought one had to follow Christ, not believe a book literally.

188 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:22:39pm

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm Italian-Scottish out of Connecticut on one side and German-Native American out of Texas on the other who was born and raised in CA and married a Japanese woman. I'm a mutt. Of course, I am white so I'm obviously a racist bastard.

You could be a pretty wide ranging racist by just giving in to an urge for self-loathing. Good thing you aren't a lefty.

189 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:23:14pm
190 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:23:21pm

When the jihad hits our streets...you will be glad to have a Christian on your side..or maybe you like moonbats better?

191 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:23:25pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

That brings up the topic at hand. Ever wonder why we haven't had a Brigitte Bardot thread here? Many "right wing" site haven't covered it. It's because she's married to a Le Penn supporter and is most likely involved in racist European politics. It's poison for us to associate with her.

* * *
Yet Jane Fonda who was leter married to Brigitte Bardot's Russian husband, then American ultraleftists, is able to run her leftist foul mouth with notoriety despite having icky associations....such as having aided & abetted VietCong's torture of our POWs.

192 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:23:38pm
193 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:23:47pm

re: #166 EC Marm

Should 'old-fashioned believers' now change their armbands avatars to identify themselves?

Sigh.

194 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:24:24pm

re: #174 DownRightMeanAmerican

Ooops, he muist be referring to #48 and #55.
Perhaps I shouldn't comment further, I don't want to ruffle any feathers. We've discussed it a lot here over the past year.

195 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:24:41pm

re: #190 storagemanager

When the jihad hits our streets...you will be glad to have a Christian on your side..or maybe you like moonbats better?

I'd like to think I have better aim than any anti-gun moonbat.

196 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:24:56pm

speaking of which, I am nearly out of ammo.

And don't get paid for 2 weeks dagnabbit.

197 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:25:12pm
198 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:25:13pm

re: #191 alegrias

Agreed. We need to be better than them.

199 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:25:36pm

Gotta' scoot. Later, Lizards.

200 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:26:02pm

re: #187 Honorary Yooper

Well, I am a Christian (specifically Catholic), and I'm here, and I don't hold any of those beliefs that Stein talks about. To equate Christians with a certain type of belief that only a few sects share is disineguous, IMHO. Considering the vast number of sects, there seem to be a lot of different ways one can call himself Christian.

To be a Christian, I thought one had to follow Christ, not believe a book literally.


Funny ...Jesus did..he quoted at the drop of a hat.

201 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:26:07pm

re: #160 zombie

It's very obvious the folks in question, and perhaps yourself have a very twisted view of us "Religous" folks. Perhaps it's from absorbing all that MSM stuff.

If you've ever been in small town America and get to know some folks there, you'll find we're actually wonderful people.

Could it be our independence from Government that scares them off? The Idea that some people actually take the initiative and enjoy taking care of themselves that scares them? The Idea that we as individuals should help our fellow man, and not the government?

The Ability to be a jerk is not determined by whether you believe in a God who gives you free will to accept him or not.

202 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:26:09pm

re: #197 savage_nation

Job ass is behaving himself for now. Thats what I refer to him now. He's on thin ice still...

No need for a beating, yet... bwahaha

Just let me know. Nothing too serious. Just put the fear of God, Bhudda, Vishnu and Odin into him.

better to cover all the bases.

203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:26:22pm

re: #188 CyanSnowHawk

You could be a pretty wide ranging racist by just giving in to an urge for self-loathing. Good thing you aren't a lefty.

I do have to control my urge to drink scotch, annexing the Sudetenland and taking a few scalps before heading home for some meatballs. I'm afraid my kids are going to develop an overwhelming urge to sneak attack Naval bases as they grow older

204 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:26:53pm
205 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:26:57pm

re: #166 EC Marm

Old-fashioned believers

I'm trying to figure out what a new-fashioned believer is. Must be someone who enjoys all the benefits bestowed upon on them by the old-fashioneds, while at the same time wanting to appear reasonable and fashionable and not burdened by things of a spiritual nature. They are stuck in the material realm - precisely where they are the most vulnerable to Islam and Leftism.

206 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:27:16pm

re: #204 savage_nation

No Allah? you islamophobic bastard! LOL

Flattery gets you nowhere with me.

207 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:27:18pm

re: #176 MandyManners

Well, I reckon the line has been drawn. Christians are not wanted. Or, am I reading something wrong?

* * *
Self-martyrs self-selecting out to sit on sidelines aren't too helpful.

208 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:27:24pm

re: #203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I do have to control my urge to drink scotch, annexing the Sudetenland and taking a few scalps before heading home for some meatballs. I'm afraid my kids are going to develop an overwhelming urge to sneak attack Naval bases as they grow older

Try to bomb the harbor!

/obscure South Park reference FTW

209 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:27:26pm

re: #160 zombie

Actually, what you say is quite true. That is the exact kind of person that the wannabe-ex-moonbats are afraid of being associated with. Fear of being perceived as being on the same team as "bible-thumpers" is exactly what keeps them moonbats.

If there was an anti-jihad, pro-America political identity that had no religious component, I think a lot of wavering moonbats would jump in with both feet.

Our secular freedoms depend on the continued existence of the GOD of Israel and his covenant.

Wherever and whenever he has been removed from public life, totalitarianism rises and rules.

See
Communism
Nazism
Islam

etc etc go back in time you find the same crap under other names and guises

Coming soon to a theater near you: Obammunism


Be careful who you seek to run out of town on a rail.

210 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:27:44pm

Mr. Spencer wrote in the comments that he sent this emial to Charles....
Dear Charles,

Thank you for the link. I much appreciate it.

I cannot comment at LGF, but I just read the comments there and I see that "Kilgore Trout" and some others are attacking me for allegedly speaking at "another" white supremacist event recently, linking to a film Pamela made of some post-event bantering.

If I could comment on LGF, I would point these things out:

1. The controversial event from last year that started this whole thing was not a white supremacist, neo-Nazi event. It was an openly Zionist event that featured an Israeli parliamentarian and Andrew Bostom speaking about Islamic antisemtism, etc. Ibn Warraq (if I recall correctly) and (certainly) Patrick Sookhdeo spoke. No racial issues were discussed. This does not mean that the VB or SD are absolved from legitimate questions about their positions, but to portray this as some kind of racist event is a caricature, and a smear.

2. I do not believe Pamela Geller is a white supremacist or a neo-Nazi.

3. The video she took to which LGF commenters are referring is from April 10 in NYC. I spoke at a conference sponsored by the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies and the New Criterion, "Free Speech In An Age of Jihad." No European political parties (or American ones, for that matter), with any hint of any racist taint were in any way involved. Neither FDD or the New Criterion is a racist group. Pamela was there, and took video. Re Pamela, I repeat #2.

I'd be very grateful if you would post this in the LGF comments, or allow me to do so.

Best regards
Robert
Charles, sorry if I caused any trouble.

211 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:27:54pm

re: #205 Kreuzueber Halbmond

out of curiosity, what is the story behind your avatar?

212 Charles  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:27:57pm

re: #176 MandyManners

Well, I reckon the line has been drawn. Christians are not wanted. Or, am I reading something wrong?

Yes, you're reading something wrong ... the only person who can "draw a line" like that is me, and I have no intention of doing that, or of "purging" anyone. Sheesh.

213 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:28:08pm
214 redstateredneck  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:28:21pm

re: #202 LanceKates

Just let me know. Nothing too serious. Just put the fear of God, Bhudda, Vishnu and Odin into him.

better to cover all the bases.

Don't leave out the Great Spirit, Indian boy.
;-)

215 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:28:29pm

re: #169 LanceKates

So, to capture the atheist moderates, we need to dump the christians.

I'm not saying that "we" need to do anything. I'm just saying that if there was a political identity available in this country that had those attributes, it would succeed at drawing a lot of former moonbats to the sane side. I'm not suggesting that anyone here change their beliefs, or "identify themselves," or whatever. Nor that everyone here be forced to join such a political group, if they didn't want to. I'm only saying that the existence of such a group would be useful.

Of course, just a week or so ago, you agreed that when presented with anti-christian thought, the Christian ought to just lay back and 'take it'

So you'll excuse me if I don't hold your view of christians with much esteem.

OK.

216 Charles  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:29:10pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

No problem -- I just created an account for Robert, he should show up any minute...

217 Sol Roth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:29:13pm

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is difficult to admit, but, I personally am having a hard time not being a racist regarding Muslims of Middle Eastern origin.

I guess it is xenophobic to have a distrust for a group where a large number of them want me to die.

This is truly a cognitive dissonance problem for me. Any help out there?

In a safe environment, not allowing an individual to manifest his uniqueness by pre-judging him based on the culture or gene pool from whence he hails, would be racism in my opinion.

Being wary of individuals that immediately manifest the cultural characteristics of a group inimical to me would seem a prudent survival trait.

218 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:29:27pm

re: #205 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I'm trying to figure out what a new-fashioned believer is. Must be someone who enjoys all the benefits bestowed upon on them by the old-fashioneds, while at the same time wanting to appear reasonable and fashionable and not burdened by things of a spiritual nature. They are stuck in the material realm - precisely where they are the most vulnerable to Islam and Leftism.

New-fashioned believers believe things such as, Jesus represents relief for the poor and downtrodden of the world. Sin is a function of collective guilt, and reparations are often the only penance. Race is prominently featured.

219 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:29:44pm
220 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:29:49pm

re: #176 MandyManners

Well, I reckon the line has been drawn. Christians are not wanted. Or, am I reading something wrong?

I'm not saying that! TO repeat part of my comment from #215:

I'm just saying that if there was a political identity available in this country that had those attributes, it would succeed at drawing a lot of former moonbats to the sane side. I'm not suggesting that anyone here change their beliefs, or "identify themselves," or whatever. Nor that everyone here be forced to join such a political group, if they didn't want to. I'm only saying that the existence of such a group would be useful.

221 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:29:56pm

re: #213 savage_nation

hehe.

I might liveblog the event here on LGF...

Wifi is a great thing.

Why not? I used to liveblog Sooners games.

Really pissed off some people. heh.

Almost as much as me coming back from a "LGF-Free Lent" did.

222 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:30:04pm

re: #212 Charles

Yes, you're reading something wrong ... the only person who can "draw a line" like that is me, and I have no intention of doing that, or of "purging" anyone. Sheesh.

Ah, but some people already had the bonfire and smores going!

/sarc

223 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:30:12pm

re: #214 redstateredneck

Don't leave out the Great Spirit, Indian boy.
;-)

And GAOTU

224 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:30:16pm

re: #151 Honorary Yooper

Very true, but you try to convince them of that fact. Hell, some of the Vlaams Belangers think Charles did a purge on them. Baron Bodissey and what's-her-name think they are banned at LGF. They're not.

/Correct me if I am wrong, Charles.

Is linking to GoV still disallowed automatically? Let me check.
The Latest Mental Illness: Iranophobia

225 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:30:42pm

re: #167 alegrias

* * *

It occured to me while watching the Pope's excellent weekend in America on tv that Christopher Columbus' voyages to the New World was funded by Spain's Catholic monarchs, with the help of their Catholic fundraisers.

It was excellent to discover the world wasn't flat! It was excellent to discover a new way around jihadist lands and China.

The world was already known not to be flat, at least by mariners, scientists and scholars. 1492 is an extremely important year in world history. That is the year that the Europeans finally shoved the moorish invaders off the Iberian peninsula and back into Africa. Ferdinand & Isabella weren't being particularly adventurous though. Years/decades of warfare combined with the nearly 50-year blockade of the Silk Road to European trade by the Arabs had almost emptied their treasury. Financing Columbus was a huge roll of the dice. Sheer capitalism though - spice was not something used to preserve rotting food. It was the ultimate symbol of wealth and power*, worth literally its weight or more in gold. *Arugula so to speak. . . .

226 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:30:54pm

re: #216 Charles

No problem -- I just created an account for Robert, he should show up any minute...

Cool. Can't wait to see him here. :-)

227 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:30:58pm
228 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:31:21pm

re: #223 LanceKates

And GAOTU

Cthulhu is mightily offended.

229 Robert Spencer  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:31:36pm

Greetings from Robert Spencer.

I want to thank Charles for posting this here, and for allowing me to register and post this comment. I just read the comments here (well, the early ones -- there are about 100 more since I stopped and composed this note) and I saw that "Kilgore Trout" and some others were attacking me for allegedly speaking at "another" white supremacist event recently, linking to a film Pamela made of some post-event bantering.

1. The controversial conference in Brussels last year that started this whole bloody blog war was not a white supremacist, neo-Nazi event. It was an openly Zionist event that featured an Israeli parliamentarian and Andrew Bostom speaking about Islamic antisemtism, etc. Ibn Warraq (if I recall correctly) and (certainly) Patrick Sookhdeo spoke. No racial issues were discussed. This does not mean that the VB or SD are absolved from legitimate questions about their positions, but to portray this as some kind of racist event is a caricature, and a smear.

2. I do not believe Pamela Geller is a white supremacist or a neo-Nazi.

3. The video she took to which LGF commenters are referring above is from April 10 -- a week and a half ago -- in NYC. I spoke at a conference sponsored by the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies and the New Criterion, "Free Speech In An Age of Jihad." No European political parties (or American ones, for that matter), with any hint of any racist taint were in any way involved. Neither FDD or the New Criterion is a racist group. Pamela was there, and took video. Re Pamela, I repeat #2.

It is important to divorce the anti-jihad resistance from any hint of racial supremacism. It is also important not to be hysterical. If I speak somewhere and Pamela films my talk, that doesn't make it some kind of racist event. Contact Cliff May or Andy McCarthy at the FDD or Roger Kimball at the New Criterion for more information on the April event.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

230 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:31:47pm

re: #226 Honorary Yooper

Cool. Can't wait to see him here. :-)


Neither can I.

I found LGF through Dhimmi Watch.

231 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:31:55pm

re: #224 abolitionist

Is linking to GoV still disallowed automatically? Let me check.
The Latest Mental Illness: Iranophobia

Nope. Got there just fine by your link.

232 redstateredneck  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:32:04pm

re: #221 LanceKates

The resurrected Lance!

233 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:32:13pm
234 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:32:39pm

re: #227 savage_nation

I don't want to piss off anyone.

Heh.

re: #228 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cthulhu is mightily offended.

I can take him on. Cthulhu is a wuss.

235 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:32:44pm

re: #211 LanceKates

I climbed the pyramid to the 13th floor. I opened the door. I saw the eye. Jesus was there, and so was Moses and Tom. It was cool. Annuit Coeptis.

236 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:32:56pm

re: #77 LanceKates

OT: Bank of America Net Income falls 77% on 6 Billion in bad debt.

I wonder how much of that was from their credit cards for illegals.

A large percentage, I can hope!

JAFLW

/Chickens coming home to roost and all that...

237 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:33:08pm

re: #230 Ben Hur

Neither can I.

I found LGF through Dhimmi Watch.

You too? Wonder how many other lizards found LGF that way.

238 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:33:15pm

BIG JESUS IS RIPPING US OFF!

239 alegrias  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:33:19pm

re: #217 Sol Roth

In a safe environment, not allowing an individual to manifest his uniqueness by pre-judging him based on the culture or gene pool from whence he hails, would be racism in my opinion.

Being wary of individuals that immediately manifest the cultural characteristics of a group inimical to me would seem a prudent survival trait.

* * *

There are blond blue-eyed half-American islamists right here in the USA. Mother from Colorado, father Lebanese, 3 male children attending Islamic Saudi Academy in Northern Virginia.

240 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:33:36pm

re: #232 redstateredneck

The resurrected Lance!

Heh. I'd feel so anti-christish if I were to take that title....

241 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:33:41pm

re: #229 Robert Spencer

Welcome to LGF, Mr. Spencer.

242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:33:52pm

re: #217 Sol Roth

re: #185 incanus

Thanks for your clarification. Just to make sure...

If someone calls me a racist, that does not make me a racist?

243 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:33:57pm
244 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:34:04pm

re: #189 savage_nation

Well, you drive safely mon. You should be here right now, it's really perty with all the trees and bushes flowering.

Glad the family's doing better Pops.

245 marjoriemoon  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:34:23pm

re: #30 zombie

Very true.

I think there is good news on the gay political front: i even saw a radical left-wing gay event advertised in SF -- that was anti-sharia!

i should have gone to document it. But sadly i was busy that day.

I'd love to see them. The one group that I could never wrap my brain around are the Queers for Palestine. I always let out a little laugh when I see them. I can't help it. None of the SF crowd are farther off the mark than these people. (The gay folks I know support Israel.)

246 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:34:33pm
247 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:34:46pm

Cahn't this town go even one day without a riot?

248 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:35:01pm

Has anoyone checked ou the dreadfully awful Williams Ayers blog?

Interesting link to a Che-loving, nutjob UCLA professor here.

249 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:35:10pm

re: #179 incanus

What's so ironic about that statement is those very people who are afraid of associating with people of faith are the same people who lecture us constantly about tolerance, freedom of speech, co-existing with those we may disagree with, live and let live, etc.

In fact, they are "afraid" of associating with people of faith because "religion" is synonymous with "ignorant", in their lexicon.

I challenge every one of you who employed this terminology on the Stein thread to take a look at yourself and ask, who is calling names and casting aspersions here?

To put it another way, why do G-d-fearing America-loving people need to abandon G-d to draw more people to their ranks?

I'm not saying that you have to be a part of this whole putative political alignment I'm envisioning. I'm not asking anyone to change their beliefs about anything. Only trying to grapple with political realities in America today.

Try to take the personal out of this.

If I'm not even allowed to describe the political landscape accurately with being accused of "casting aspersions," than we can't have a productive discussion.

250 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:35:13pm

re: #245 marjoriemoon

Gay Jewish Dykes for Palestine would be two steps worse
lol

251 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:35:14pm

re: #247 Peacekeeper

Cahn't this town go even one day without a riot?

Not lately....

252 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:35:24pm

re: #238 Peacekeeper

BIG JESUS IS RIPPING US OFF!

Jésus is ripping us off? Then we should prosecute him for fraud.

/No se nada.

253 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:35:41pm
254 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:36:15pm

I posted at Jihad watch,before I came here...nice to see you here Robert.

255 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:36:27pm

re: #249 zombie

Try to take the personal out of this.

If I'm not even allowed to describe the political landscape accurately with being accused of "casting aspersions," than we can't have a productive discussion.

Agreed. I do not want to speak for you, but I read your comment as a mere observation, not a condemnation.

256 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:36:52pm

re: #98 LanceKates

Heh.. as long as you call us paisans and not WOPs, we're just fine... lol.

I'm Italian, German and Native American.

Get off my land or I'll invade you with my supply of meatballs.

lol.

Bring it on! (He says as he grabs his fork and starts drooling..... mmmmmmm... meatballs!) (Especially Italian)

JAFLW

257 bosforus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:37:30pm

re: #220 zombie

I think the apparent confusion here is that you're expressing an idea you believe to be valid rather than calling for action towards that idea. It seems that those in conflict with you probably think you're trying to say more than you actually are when all you're doing is presenting an idea.

258 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:37:56pm

re: #256 Just Another Four-letter Word

Bring it on! (He says as he grabs his fork and starts drooling..... mmmmmmm... meatballs!) (Especially Italian)

JAFLW

Dangit.... I didn't think anyone would take me up on that threat.... Now I'd have to make good on it...

uhh..... here.

259 Render  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:38:10pm

Welcome aboard Mr Spencer...

It's about time.

MAKING
ROOM,
R

260 redstateredneck  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:38:23pm

re: #255 loppyd

Agreed. I do not want to speak for you, but I read your comment as a mere observation, not a condemnation.

Feathers get ruffled very easily when the topic is religion.

261 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:38:39pm

Alrighty then.

262 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:38:48pm

re: #248 JammieWearingFool

Has anoyone checked ou the dreadfully awful Williams Ayers blog?

Interesting link to a Che-loving, nutjob UCLA professor here.

Hey Jammie!

Clicked on the link. He wrote a book called The Good Pre-School Teacher.

How incredibly frightening!

263 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:38:50pm

re: #251 loppyd

LET'S TEAR IT UP THEN!

264 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:38:51pm

re: #260 redstateredneck

Feathers get ruffled very easily when the topic is religion.

Feathers?

Is that an Evolution crack?!

*riots and burns cars*

/

265 joncelli  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:39:08pm

re: #46 MandyManners

No. I wish the anti-jihad movement could be a big tent, leaving out only the white supremacists, obvious moonbats, and blood-and-soil Buchananites. There's room for liberals who love the western tradition, christians of all stripes, Jews, atheists -- anybody who hates what the jihad represents. If we start laying down litmus tests beyond one of respecting human rights then we are bound to be marginalized and ineffective.

266 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:39:26pm

re: #192 savage_nation

Check your email PLEASE!

Got it.

267 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:39:29pm

re: #261 Ben Hur

Alrighty then.

BEN HUR!

Greetings from the best sports town in the USA!

268 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:39:40pm

re: #255 loppyd

Agreed. I do not want to speak for you, but I read your comment as a mere observation, not a condemnation.

"casting aspersions" would make a great nic.

269 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:40:02pm

Moonbatism is closely related to juvenile delinquency. By the age of thirty most grow out of it.
Time, and the weight of life's experiences does more to correct the wrong-thinkingness than kicking 'old-fashioned religious' folks to the curb because they 'cling' to their religion.

270 Charles  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:40:21pm

re: #224 abolitionist

Is linking to GoV still disallowed automatically? Let me check.
The Latest Mental Illness: Iranophobia

The people who run Gates of Vienna have made it very clear where they stand, and I have no interest in sending any traffic to their site. Posting links to them in a comment is not going to make me feel very friendly toward you.

271 sparrowlake  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:40:36pm

Isn't LGF an anti-Islamofascist coalition which welcomes anyone and everyone of all political, ethnic, religious or sexual orientations with the exception of terrorists, Nazis, Fascists, and any others who advocate murder, genocide or other serious crimes or who are too intolerant to accommodate the other coalition members?
At least that is what I thought it was.

272 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:40:51pm

re: #267 loppyd

BEN HUR!

Greetings from the best sports town in the USA!

You're town?

My Barometer sense must be fading...

273 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:40:57pm

re: #265 joncelli

No. I wish the anti-jihad movement could be a big tent, leaving out only the white supremacists, obvious moonbats, and blood-and-soil Buchananites. There's room for liberals who love the western tradition, christians of all stripes, Jews, atheists -- anybody who hates what the jihad represents. If we start laying down litmus tests beyond one of respecting human rights then we are bound to be marginalized and ineffective.

I would agree.

However, Mandy and I aren't the ones suggesting that one should exclude people based on religion.

I have no problem sharing in the struggle gainst islamic rule alongside atheists or any other religion. It is when they want to kick me out for the sake of being politically correct, or for the sake of trying to snag more 'moderates' that we have a problem.

274 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:41:19pm

re: #237 Honorary Yooper

You too? Wonder how many other lizards found LGF that way.

I came here in 2004, from Jihad Watch.

275 TalkinKamel  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:41:22pm

#229 Robert Spencer

Just want to say I enjoyed the article, Mr. Spencer. I also liked your book, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Crusades!"

#250 BabbaZee

ROFLMAO!

276 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:42:15pm

re: #265 joncelli

No. I wish the anti-jihad movement could be a big tent, leaving out only the white supremacists, obvious moonbats, and blood-and-soil Buchananites. There's room for liberals who love the western tradition, christians of all stripes, Jews, atheists -- anybody who hates what the jihad represents. If we start laying down litmus tests beyond one of respecting human rights then we are bound to be marginalized and ineffective.

Exactly. That's all it should be no matter how many chairs and tables are thrown over side arguments.

277 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:42:16pm
278 Maine's Michael  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:42:17pm

re: #40 Peacekeeper

There is a certain strain of alleged conservatism that claims all our problems can be solved terrorism, oil, by abandoning Israel.
They get to kill Jews, we get cheap oil. Everybody wins.

/feh.

That would be Pat Buchanan, and Co. Spit.

279 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:43:06pm

re: #278 Maine's Michael

That would be Pat Buchanan, and Co. Spit.

of all of the disagreements that we've had, I think we can come together behind the idea that supporting Israel is a vital, noble and Good deed.

280 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:43:23pm

re: #229 Robert Spencer
Welcome! I only run one ad on my blog, for one of your books. The proceeds go to my son for beer money. No beer belly on him.
Hope it helps a little.

281 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:43:46pm

re: #212 Charles

Yes, you're reading something wrong ... the only person who can "draw a line" like that is me, and I have no intention of doing that, or of "purging" anyone. Sheesh.

Thank you, Charles.

282 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:43:54pm

re: #272 Ben Hur

You're town?

My Barometer sense must be fading...

Dahlink,

You must admit that this weekend was pretty awesome for Boston fans...

Sat:
Red Sox win! Big Papi hits grand slam, bats are on fire
Bruins force a game 7 in the Stanley Cup playoffs against arch rival Montreal

Sun:
Red Sox come back from 5-0 deficit and win
Celtics TROUNCE Atlanta in game 1 of playoff

Not too shabby, I would say.

283 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:44:05pm

re: #242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #185 incanus

Thanks for your clarification. Just to make sure...

If someone calls me a racist, that does not make me a racist?

Do you accept every name that is attributed to you?

I have a friend, "well educated", mid twenties. He's a big apologist for the Palestinians. Several months ago he and I were discussing terrorism and he announced that I was a "racist" because I "made assumptions" about all Muslims.

I informed him that in addition to his numerous fallacious arguments, "racist" was an improper term to use as what he was accusing me of was intolerance towards a religion. At one point I stated this:

The problem with the "racist" tag is it's a code word for someone who is one step above sub-human. It's hate speech as it incites hatred for the racist. I object to that term being thrown about where it does not apply. For example, [redacted] doesn't care for Somali Muslims much either. Are they Arab? They are not. Are people who hate Israelis racist? Apparently not; from what I've read. This word doesn't work, and the fact that it's applied to people to "shut them up" disturbs me. I'm not saying that's what you were doing, but I've seen it happen and I'd like to put a stop to it. We will have to agree to disagree on whether Muslim and Jew can be equated as far as race goes: I believe it's clear that when people refer to Jews they are referring to an ethnicity more than a heritage or religion. However, the lines have certainly been blurred by events of the past several hundred years in which Jews (both types) have been persecuted, sometimes to the brink of extinction in some areas. If I must I will grit my teeth and bear it if I hear you call someone a racist in the future, but there's got to be a better way.

The statement in bold was never counter-argued.

284 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:44:42pm

Pat Buchanan told Sean Hannity on his show..I was the one who told Reagan to get out of Lebanon..after 241 Marines were killed by Iran..he takes pride in that!

285 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:45:41pm

re: #249 zombie

I'm not saying that you have to be a part of this whole putative political alignment I'm envisioning. I'm not asking anyone to change their beliefs about anything. Only trying to grapple with political realities in America today.

Try to take the personal out of this.

If I'm not even allowed to describe the political landscape accurately with being accused of "casting aspersions," than we can't have a productive discussion.

It sounds to me, zombie, like you are suggesting fragmenting what currently exists of the anti-jihad/sharia movement along the lines of religious participation in order to accomodate some wishy washy moonbats who don't want to be "seen associating with the likes of them."

Have you ever heard that expression about "divide and conquer?"

286 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:45:50pm

re: #216 Charles

No problem -- I just created an account for Robert, he should show up any minute...

Welcome newby!

Read the FAQs, don't ask about comment #17, and make sure that you buy the first round today.

287 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:46:01pm

re: #249 zombie

I'm not saying that you have to be a part of this whole putative political alignment I'm envisioning. I'm not asking anyone to change their beliefs about anything. Only trying to grapple with political realities in America today.

Try to take the personal out of this.

If I'm not even allowed to describe the political landscape accurately with being accused of "casting aspersions," than we can't have a productive discussion.

Try to take the personal out of this.

288 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:46:05pm

re: #284 storagemanager

Pat Buchanan told Sean Hannity on his show..I was the one who told Reagan to get out of Lebanon..after 241 Marines were killed by Iran..he takes pride in that!

If I remember correctly (hard to do when I was so young and my early impression of Reagan was formed by the msm), I believe that action was the one that Reagan regretted the most.

289 wolfie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:46:14pm

re: #39 zombie

You don't win wars by screening for ideological purity with a fine tooth comb.
The way I see it is this. The Left is ideologically consistent. The differences are in points of reference, in choice of means, and in degree. I'm not saying that those differences don't matter,BTW. (Better Clinton than Stalin!) But their first principles and their embrace of ideology (in the Marxist sense of the word) over philosophy, science, and the Judaeo-Christian tradition is entirely consistent.
The Right does not exist as a unified field (!) Milton Friedman and Pope Benedict do not start from the same principles. Solzhenitsyn and Sakharov emphatically did not. What we have in common is that we are counter-revolutionaries in the Marxist sense of the word. We are contras.
On the positive side, all contras do believe that there is a Truth that transcends power....and therefore we believe in freedom and the limitation of the state.
(Islam and the Left believe otherwise.)
One of the problems that people have in conversion to the "Right" is that they see it as a mirror image of the consistent Left. This is what they have been taught all their lives. Do you not see how this error has served leftist propaganda for decades?
The one thing they don't want you to concentrate on is the Left itself and what it stands for. ("Don't look at me!" says Obama. "Look at all the racists, Islamophobes, gun-nuts, Creationists, homophobes, yadda yadda that oppose me. Do you want to be un-chic like them? If you oppose me, you must be one of them.")
Don't buy it.

You can substitute Islamists for Left up there, by the way.

290 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:46:23pm

re: #284 storagemanager

Pat Buchanan told Sean Hannity on his show..I was the one who told Reagan to get out of Lebanon..after 241 Marines were killed by Iran..he takes pride in that!

Pat's an isolationist, not too different that those that existed previous to World War Two.

I've never thought too highly of Pat, and my opinion just keeps getting lower, the more I hear and see.

291 Pyrocles  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:46:43pm

I agree... That is frightening! Grooming the future indoctrinators.

re: #262 loppyd

Hey Jammie!

Clicked on the link. He wrote a book called The Good Pre-School Teacher.

How incredibly frightening!

292 Sol Roth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:46:52pm

re: #239 alegrias

* * *

There are blond blue-eyed half-American islamists right here in the USA. Mother from Colorado, father Lebanese, 3 male children attending Islamic Saudi Academy in Northern Virginia.

I bet there is a heterogeneity of racial characteristics amongst Islamists.

293 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:47:03pm

re: #201 Widow'smight

It's very obvious the folks in question, and perhaps yourself have a very twisted view of us "Religous" folks. Perhaps it's from absorbing all that MSM stuff.

If you've ever been in small town America and get to know some folks there, you'll find we're actually wonderful people.

Could it be our independence from Government that scares them off? The Idea that some people actually take the initiative and enjoy taking care of themselves that scares them? The Idea that we as individuals should help our fellow man, and not the government?

The Ability to be a jerk is not determined by whether you believe in a God who gives you free will to accept him or not.

You're going off on a wrong track. I'm not discussing, judging or assessing the merits of the positions and opinions people have. I'm trying to describe a political reality. However wrongheaded or rightheaded they may or may not be, moonbats have a strong aversion to religion. We will never draw them to the sane side if we ask them to join with religious fundamentalists.

Don't be insulted by this. Moonbat-aversion-to-religion is a political fact that you yourself seem to be aware of. Think about from an "above the fray" point of view. We need a comfortable place for moonbats to land when they make the switch.

Defending "small town America" from perceived disrespect is not going to change the situation.

294 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:47:04pm

re: #229 Robert Spencer

Welcome. I've long been a fan of your site and of your video posts at HotAir.

295 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:47:07pm

re: #285 galloping granny

But, it is the christians that divides.... *chuckle*

re: #287 incanus

Heh... so mean. heh.

296 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:47:35pm

re: #286 CyanSnowHawk

Welcome newby!

Read the FAQs, don't ask about comment #17, and make sure that you buy the first round today.

I think Mr. Spencer should be exempt from buying the round today, and we should buy in his honor.

297 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:47:36pm

re: #220 zombie

I'm not saying that! TO repeat part of my comment from #215:

I'm just saying that if there was a political identity available in this country that had those attributes, it would succeed at drawing a lot of former moonbats to the sane side. I'm not suggesting that anyone here change their beliefs, or "identify themselves," or whatever. Nor that everyone here be forced to join such a political group, if they didn't want to. I'm only saying that the existence of such a group would be useful.


I will stand with fellow Christians (of varying degrees of thumping the Bible), Jews, Atheists, Buddhists, Bahaists, Zorastrianits, Shintoists, pagans and animists when it comes to combatting that which seeks to destroy all of us.

298 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:48:05pm

re: #291 Pyrocles

I agree... That is frightening! Grooming the future indoctrinators.

Yep. Kids are like sponges.....

299 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:48:07pm

re: #282 loppyd

Dahlink,

You must admit that this weekend was pretty awesome for Boston fans...

Sat:
Red Sox win! Big Papi hits grand slam, bats are on fire
Bruins force a game 7 in the Stanley Cup playoffs against arch rival Montreal

Sun:
Red Sox come back from 5-0 deficit and win
Celtics TROUNCE Atlanta in game 1 of playoff

Not too shabby, I would say.

How'd that Super Bowl work out?

/Lifetime trashtalking privileges.

300 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:48:16pm

re: #271 sparrowlake

Isn't LGF an anti-Islamofascist coalition which welcomes anyone and everyone of all political, ethnic, religious or sexual orientations with the exception of terrorists, Nazis, Fascists, and any others who advocate murder, genocide or other serious crimes or who are too intolerant to accommodate the other coalition members?
At least that is what I thought it was.

Most days it is.

301 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:48:39pm

re: #229 Robert Spencer

How 'do.

302 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:48:45pm

re: #297 MandyManners

I will stand with fellow Christians (of varying degrees of thumping the Bible), Jews, Atheists, Buddhists, Bahaists, Zorastrianits, Shintoists, pagans and animists when it comes to combatting that which seeks to destroy all of us.

As do I.

But are they willing to stand with us as well?

303 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:48:58pm

re: #299 JammieWearingFool

How'd that Super Bowl work out?

/Lifetime trashtalking privileges.

About as well as the Yankees 2004 ALCS.

304 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:49:39pm
305 Sol Roth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:50:41pm

re: #242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #185 incanus

Thanks for your clarification. Just to make sure...

If someone calls me a racist, that does not make me a racist?

Tell them the only labels you wear are on the inside your clothes. Race-baiters view everyone as a race first. What does that make them?

306 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:50:42pm

re: #278 Maine's Michael

Interestingly, that same mind-set is embraced by the Carter/Obama left.

307 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:50:43pm

re: #293 zombie
You're going off on a wrong track. I'm not discussing, judging or assessing the merits of the positions and opinions people have.

Boy , you in the wrong place...

308 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:51:07pm

re: #298 loppyd

Yep. Kids are like sponges.....

I found that tribute to Che rather creepy. Found another photo of him. He's got a Che tattoo on his right arm.

Should have gotten it on the left arm, obviously.

Pretty good smackdown on him here, with photo.

309 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:51:23pm

re: #302 LanceKates

As do I.

But are they willing to stand with us as well?

Lance,

Wow. Do you not think that the other religions listed in that post may take offense to your statement just as you have taken offense regarding Christians?

310 right wing zephyr  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:51:28pm
We need a comfortable place for moonbats to land when they make the switch.

BS WE all need to be pushed out of our comfort zone to progress. Especially moonbats.

//I personally have no hope for their progress.

311 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:51:46pm

re: #303 loppyd

About as well as the Yankees 2004 ALCS.

Hey, statue of limitations on that one already.

312 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:52:03pm
313 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:52:23pm

re: #302 LanceKates

As do I.

But are they willing to stand with us as well?

Either they will or, they will fall with the rest of us.

314 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:52:30pm

re: #302 LanceKates

As do I.

But are they willing to stand with us as well?

Apparently only as long as we do not mention the words "Christian" or "Jew."

315 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:52:52pm

re: #298 loppyd

Yep. Kids are like sponges.....

Agh!
Diapers are like sponges, Kids are like hydrants.

316 Thanos  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:52:57pm

Welcome Robert.

Allegrias:

You compare Bridget to Jane, fair enough. Everytime Jane speaks, Republicans gain votes. I don't believe the anti-jihad movement or whatever you care to call it needs that sort of albatross around their necks.

317 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:53:16pm

re: #260 redstateredneck

Feathers get ruffled very easily when the topic is religion.

I'm beginning to notice that!

318 Widow'smight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:53:21pm

re: #260 redstateredneck

I'd go back and read 39, that's what ruffled mine. The word Some should be used a few more times. The only baggage I carry is my bride's. Reads like a sweeping Obamanissom to me.

319 Render  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:54:02pm

re: #229 Robert Spencer

"This does not mean that the VB or SD are absolved from legitimate questions about their positions..."

This, and this alone, is the root cause of all the controversy.

Those two groups (and many others who share their repulsive ideology) are simply not acceptable, for any reason, at any time, in any capacity.

They, and their ideology, should not exist in any non-historical context.

Their very presence at any function automatically degrades that function.

I, a lone LGF reader, have accepted your personal disavowal of those groups. But I have yet to read of any such disavowal by Pamela. Instead I saw months of hysterical defense.

My hands are clean. I can stand beside the graves of my father and grandfather with honor. Safe in the knowledge that I have not sided with the intellectual heirs of those who tried to exterminate my family.

NO
SURRENDER,
R

320 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:54:15pm

You'll never invent a politics that doesn't offend somebody.

321 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:54:16pm

re: #309 loppyd

Lance,

Wow. Do you not think that the other religions listed in that post may take offense to your statement just as you have taken offense regarding Christians?

Only if they would refuse to side with me because I am a christian.

Frankly, those who are in it to fight against islamic terrorism and oppression understand that OUR religious differences don't matter in this fight.

I'm only upset at those who are burdened by a dislike of Christianity that they refuse to fight against islam because they'd have to join up with the christians....

Of course, I'm sure what I said will be twisted to make ME look like a bigot. It's been done before.

322 zmdavid  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:54:43pm
Such dalliances inevitably raise the specter of neo-Nazism and white supremacism, and allow the mainstream parties to pretend that Europe faces a choice between becoming Eurabia and reviving the gas chamber.


Europe can have both Eurabia and the gas chamber, in fact, they are more likely to get both than one or the other.

323 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:54:49pm

re: #269 EC Marm

Moonbatism is closely related to juvenile delinquency. By the age of thirty most grow out of it.
Time, and the weight of life's experiences does more to correct the wrong-thinkingness than kicking 'old-fashioned religious' folks to the curb because they 'cling' to their religion.

What is going on here? No one is kicking anyone to any curb.

Sheesh.

324 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:55:12pm

re: #311 JammieWearingFool

Hey, statue of limitations on that one already.

What is the limit on the SB then?

I say NFL Draft day...

325 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:55:36pm

re: #319 RenderExcellent

326 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:55:47pm

re: #313 MandyManners

Exactly. A kingdom divided cannot stand. Both Biblical and also part of American History.

re: #314 galloping granny

Funny how that works, eh?

327 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:55:53pm

re: #296 Honorary Yooper

I think Mr. Spencer should be exempt from buying the round today, and we should buy in his honor.

Aye, I agree there, but he should also know to not piss off Mandy.

328 redstateredneck  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:56:05pm

re: #293 zombie

moonbats have a strong aversion to religion


Only the ones with rules. There are lots of regularly attending church type moonbats; they just go to the touchy-feely-let it all hang out-church of the what's happenin' now. You know, the ones where we all go to heaven.

329 Daisy  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:56:27pm

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is difficult to admit, but, I personally am having a hard time not being a racist regarding Muslims of Middle Eastern origin.

I guess it is xenophobic to have a distrust for a group where a large number of them want me to die.

This is truly a cognitive dissonance problem for me. Any help out there?

What do you mean by "racist"? If what you mean is that you believe their is something intrinsic in the Semitic nature (or DNA) of Middle Eastern Muslims that causes them to want you (and me ) to die a violent death by jihad, then I strongly urge you to examine your logic and reason because both would be fallible.

If, however, you object to the ideology of Islamism with its attendant jihadist wishes/plans for our deaths, then you are objecting to a cultural norm of Islam.

Now, I do understand your difficulty. When I see a woman in full burkha, I must admit, I (subtly) recoil in horror. If the woman picks up on my repugnance, she's probably going to feel it in her body ( just as my body feels repelled by the sight of a burkhad woman - on some level it means "danger" ) and reach the false conclusion that I object to her very being, rather than her dangerous religious ideology. Since I'm more than my fear reactions, I need to rely on my moral reasoning and abjure her ideology while using proper discernment as to any immediate intention's she may have to enact her religious injunctions against infidels. In other words, I think it's reasonable for me to be somewhat vigilant when I'm clearly in the presence of an ideologically bound Muslim since great numbers of such people have declared a fatwah upon people who look and act just like me. Simultaneously, it would be wrong for me to attribute murderous intent to such a person based upon her DNA (or "race" - whatever that really is). Does that help? Let's keep in mind that Richard Reed, the "Shoe Bomber", was a convert to Islam. It's the culture, not the DNA.

330 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:56:39pm

re: #320 Peacekeeper

You'll never invent a politics that doesn't offend somebody.

I'm offended by that statement.

331 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:56:44pm

re: #277 BabbaZee

LOL! From your link,

"Jus' 'cuz some feller wrote the readin' don't mean he done wrote the readin' right!"

It seems Festus understands the MSM perfectly.

332 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:57:00pm

re: #328 redstateredneck

Only the ones with rules. There are lots of regularly attending church type moonbats; they just go to the touchy-feely-let it all hang out-church of the what's happenin' now. You know, the ones where we all go to heaven.

holy crap how true!

'Oh, all roads lead to heaven... you just have to TRY to do the right thing..."

then quote the bible and you're called a bigot.

heh.

333 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:57:09pm

re: #257 bosforus

I think the apparent confusion here is that you're expressing an idea you believe to be valid rather than calling for action towards that idea. It seems that those in conflict with you probably think you're trying to say more than you actually are when all you're doing is presenting an idea.

The pungent scent of assumptions in the afternoon.

334 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:57:13pm

re: #324 loppyd

What is the limit on the SB then?

I say NFL Draft day...

I say Super Bowl NIGHT ,,,,, uuggghhhh

335 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:57:13pm

re: #160 zombie

Actually, what you say is quite true. That is the exact kind of person that the wannabe-ex-moonbats are afraid of being associated with. Fear of being perceived as being on the same team as "bible-thumpers" is exactly what keeps them moonbats.

If there was an anti-jihad, pro-America political identity that had no religious component, I think a lot of wavering moonbats would jump in with both feet.

Absolutely not. Moonbats are almost defined by their antipathy to America. C'mon, you live in San Fran area, can you honestly say many there would flock to support a "pro-america" political identity?

If you throw the Bible-thumpers out of the anti-Jihad party (or try too hard to shut them up) you'll find yourself a lot fewer allies, not more. The liberals are the ones with the co-exist stickers who think Islam is the victim. Christians know better, or at least bible-thumping (whatever exactly that means) ones, as opposed to the ultra-PC christians that lead many "mainstream" churches. (Remember the other thread where someone mentioned prayer for those in Gitmo & references to the suffering Palis?)

336 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:57:31pm

re: #327 CyanSnowHawk

Aye, I agree there, but he should also know to not piss off Mandy.

That goes for anyone and everyone (excluding Charles, and Charles alone).

337 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:57:45pm

Epitaph on a tyrant

Perfection, of a kind, was what he was after
And the poetry he invented was easy to understand;
He knew human folly like the back of his hand,
And was greatly interested in armies and fleets;
When he laughed, respectable senators burst with laughter,
And when he cried the little children died in the streets.

-- W. H. Auden

338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:57:51pm

re: #299 JammieWearingFool

How'd that Super Bowl work out?

/Lifetime trashtalking privileges.

Nice!

339 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:58:09pm

re: #331 Kenneth

lol.... I love that thing.

The original Most Excellent Festus!

340 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:58:10pm

re: #326 LanceKates

Exactly. A kingdom divided cannot stand. Both Biblical and also part of American History.

re: #314 galloping granny

Funny how that works, eh?

This goes beyond American politics. The entire world is fighting the Gramscian Whore that is beaking the ground for the sewing of Jihadi seed.

341 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:58:14pm

re: #335 nikis-knight

"Bible-thumping" christians, to too many, are the christians who've read one.

342 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:58:31pm

re: #321 LanceKates

Only if they would refuse to side with me because I am a christian.

Frankly, those who are in it to fight against islamic terrorism and oppression understand that OUR religious differences don't matter in this fight.

I'm only upset at those who are burdened by a dislike of Christianity that they refuse to fight against islam because they'd have to join up with the christians....

Of course, I'm sure what I said will be twisted to make ME look like a bigot. It's been done before.

Enough with that already. It is beyond tedious.

343 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:58:57pm

re: #266 zombie

Got it.

Nothing to share with the rest of the class?

344 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:59:08pm

re: #327 CyanSnowHawk

Aye, I agree there, but he should also know to not piss off Mandy.

How many times must I remind people that I'M A FREAKIN' PUDDY TAT?!

345 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:59:09pm

re: #340 MandyManners

This goes beyond American politics. The entire world is fighting the Gramscian Whore that is beaking the ground for the sewing of Jihadi seed.

There are good seeds mixed with the weeds... the time of the harvest is coming, when the wheat will be seperated.

346 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:59:11pm

re: #336 Honorary Yooper

That goes for anyone and everyone (excluding Charles, and Charles alone).

no no no ,,, Charles shouldn'd be exempt ,,, He'll piss her off, then go on one of his famous 8 houd bike-athons, leaving her here for US to deal wif ! Nuh uh ,,, no way !

(9(((( ummm,,, she's not here ,,, is she ?!?!?!?!))))

347 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:59:16pm

re: #297 MandyManners

I will stand with fellow Christians (of varying degrees of thumping the Bible), Jews, Atheists, Buddhists, Bahaists, Zorastrianits, Shintoists, pagans and animists when it comes to combatting that which seeks to destroy all of us.

Amen, sister.

348 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:59:45pm

I personally don’t know of any family that doesn’t fight, I think that’s how they evolve.

349 sparrowlake  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 12:59:47pm

re: #327 CyanSnowHawk

Aye, I agree there, but he should also know to not piss off Mandy.

Let him buy a round - an exemption would set a very dangerous precedent.

350 galloping granny  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:00:19pm

re: #326 LanceKates

Exactly. A kingdom divided cannot stand. Both Biblical and also part of American History.

re: #314 galloping granny

Funny how that works, eh?

Isn't it? Gorgeous day here - much too pretty to waste fighting over BS like how to accomodate a bunch of lunatics that would rather die than be seen to associate with a "religious" person. I'm outta here.

351 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:00:23pm

re: #345 LanceKates

There are good seeds mixed with the weeds... the time of the harvest is coming, when the wheat will be seperated.


Great, he's gone all Children of the Corn on us...

352 zombie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:00:43pm

re: #273 LanceKates

I would agree.

However, Mandy and I aren't the ones suggesting that one should exclude people based on religion.

I have no problem sharing in the struggle gainst islamic rule alongside atheists or any other religion. It is when they want to kick me out for the sake of being politically correct, or for the sake of trying to snag more 'moderates' that we have a problem.

Well, it looks like I'm in the shithouse again.

Just trying to be helpful and think constructively.

Sigh.

I'll probably just keep quiet from here on out.

353 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:00:43pm

re: #335 nikis-knight

Absolutely not. Moonbats are almost defined by their antipathy to America. C'mon, you live in San Fran area, can you honestly say many there would flock to support a "pro-america" political identity?
If you throw the Bible-thumpers out of the anti-Jihad party (or try too hard to shut them up) you'll find yourself a lot fewer allies, not more. The liberals are the ones with the co-exist stickers who think Islam is the victim. Christians know better, or at least bible-thumping (whatever exactly that means) ones, as opposed to the ultra-PC christians that lead many "mainstream" churches. (Remember the other thread where someone mentioned prayer for those in Gitmo & references to the suffering Palis?)

354 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:00:48pm

re: #342 loppyd

What is? Predicting that those who disagree with me will paint me out to be a bigot?

I only say it because it is how it works. Consistantly.

It isn't ME.... it is anyone who presents that argument.

Now, were you suggesting that?

355 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:00:52pm

re: #312 BabbaZee

Hahahaha!

Who let the Jews Out?

356 marjoriemoon  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:01:27pm

re: #250 BabbaZee

Gay Jewish Dykes for Palestine would be two steps worse
lol

LOL Hey, how about Jewish-Pagan Dykes for Palestine?

357 bosforus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:01:37pm

re: #333 debutaunt

The pungent scent of assumptions in the afternoon.

All presented evidence points to my logical assumption.

358 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:01:43pm

Robert Spencer! Please post some more.

359 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:01:45pm

re: #319 Render

144,000 updings

360 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:01:49pm

re: #350 galloping granny

Nice weather here too... lawn service is mowing the grass at the office, I can hear them go by.

Very relaxing sound.... and the smell is so sweet... unfortunately I can't smell it in the office... just when I left for lunch.

361 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:10pm

re: #352 zombie

Well, it looks like I'm in the shithouse again.

Just trying to be helpful and think constructively.

Sigh.

I'll probably just keep quiet from here on out.


Believe it or not, zombie, it isn't all about you.

362 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:11pm

re: #352 zombie
Cahn't this town go one day without a riot?

363 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:15pm

re: #336 Honorary Yooper

That goes for anyone and everyone (excluding Charles, and Charles alone).

But Charles is a gentleman and avoids pissing off Mandy on principle. (Not out of fear for his safety, correct?)

364 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:21pm

re: #345 LanceKates

There are good seeds mixed with the weeds... the time of the harvest is coming, when the wheat will be seperated.

I don't know whent He will return. All I know is that I do not want to live under Sharia nor do I want to see others live under it.

365 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:32pm
366 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:39pm

re: #347 coquimbojoe

Amen, sister.

Testify!

367 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:44pm

re: #356 marjoriemoon

ahahhahahahaaa

368 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:02:47pm

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just so long as we all agree on the Flying Spaghetti Monster, we can get along fine

Some of us believe in Ceiling Cat.

369 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:03:11pm

re: #355 Kenneth

cute

370 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:03:15pm

re: #366 MandyManners

Testify!

I'm too busy handling snakes over here......

371 m  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:03:29pm

re: #229 Robert Spencer

Hi Robert!

I linked to the video, and said that I wasn't sure when it was taken in a follow-up comment. But I didn't link to it to "slam" you. I wanted to point out that Pamela isn't the pariah (nazi) that she is made out to be, because you certainly would not be talking to her if she was.

I'm sorry for the confusion.

372 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:03:36pm

The idea that we'd be better off if we just 'got rid of those christians' is not a new thought in conservative circles... it is, saddly, gaining steam as the younger generations were raised in a fairly anti-christian public school.

However, they are on sinking sand and will discover it when it is too late.

It isn't new, and it isn't going away. But we still ought to fight the notion that conservativism is 'better served' without religion.

373 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:03:49pm

re: #352 zombie

Well, it looks like I'm in the shithouse again.

Just trying to be helpful and think constructively.

Sigh.

I'll probably just keep quiet from here on out.

So are we!

We must maintain our common ground, and that is our fight against Islamofascism.

374 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:00pm

re: #363 CyanSnowHawk

But Charles is a gentleman and avoids pissing off Mandy on principle. (Not out of fear for his safety, correct?)


Charles? Charles Darwin? Charles Johnson? What about Charles Tuna? Sorry Charlie.

375 wolfie  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:04pm

re: #293 zombie

I know what you're talking about. (I'm in academia.)

I think the first point in strategy is to get lefties to be lone rangers....like Christopher Hitchens, say. Challenge them to step out of their comfort zone and QUESTION AUTHORITY. Questioning the Left and its power.

376 TheUnrepentantGeek  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:13pm

re: #220 zombie

I'm not saying that! TO repeat part of my comment from #215:

I'm just saying that if there was a political identity available in this country that had those attributes, it would succeed at drawing a lot of former moonbats to the sane side. I'm not suggesting that anyone here change their beliefs, or "identify themselves," or whatever. Nor that everyone here be forced to join such a political group, if they didn't want to. I'm only saying that the existence of such a group would be useful.

So the only thing keeping these folks in place (on what I gather is the insane side) is their distaste for religion? Really? I'm sorry, but I don't buy that. After all, leftists seem fine with Buddhism, Islam, Kabbala, Wicca, and pretty much every other religion you could name, so who does that leave?

They don't have a distaste for religion. They have a distaste for the "uncool" religions that don't cater to their pre-existing value systems. There's a reason people vote the way they do, and I don't think it has nearly as much to do with group affiliation as you think it does. This isn't all about clever marketing schemes and Machiavellian political calculations. This is about how you really think the world works. I'll be the first to admit that people make stupid decisions based on superficial criterion, but this stretches the limits of belief.

And aside from that, if you're such a squish on policy that being around "those people" is going to keep you from doing the right thing ... why in the world would you be terribly constant on anything - or even a worthwhile ally? Does this alleged demographic even make an effort to vote all that much?

377 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:23pm

re: #364 MandyManners

I don't know whent He will return. All I know is that I do not want to live under Sharia nor do I want to see others live under it.

Amen to that, Mandy.

378 bosforus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:26pm

re: #352 zombie

Please don't do that. I would suggest giving up on people that don't understand your point rather than giving up on your points.

379 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:28pm

re: #364 MandyManners

I don't know whent He will return. All I know is that I do not want to live under Sharia nor do I want to see others live under it.

That's why we fight. By words when possible, by force when needed.

380 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:43pm

OT ,,, from the Goracle

"Despite the success of his film An Inconvenient Truth and last year’s Live Earth concerts in raising awareness, the former US Vice President believes little has changed where it counts and the situation is even more urgent.
cept his bank account !
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

"AL GORE wants to make a sequel to his Oscar-winning documentary on global warming"

Good ,,,, I need another day of napping in a theatre

381 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:04:46pm

re: #344 MandyManners

How many times must I remind people that I'M A FREAKIN' PUDDY TAT?!

I am careful around Putty Tats.

382 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:05:01pm
383 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:05:01pm

re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No thanks. Gonna have the Baby Seal Club Sandwich.

With hot Spotted Owl wings as an appetizer.

384 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:05:36pm

Stupid work intruding on my work day.

385 Charles  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:05:50pm

re: #319 Render

"This does not mean that the VB or SD are absolved from legitimate questions about their positions..."

This, and this alone, is the root cause of all the controversy.

Those two groups (and many others who share their repulsive ideology) are simply not acceptable, for any reason, at any time, in any capacity.

They, and their ideology, should not exist in any non-historical context.

Their very presence at any function automatically degrades that function.

I, a lone LGF reader, have accepted your personal disavowal of those groups. But I have yet to read of any such disavowal by Pamela. Instead I saw months of hysterical defense.

My hands are clean. I can stand beside the graves of my father and grandfather with honor. Safe in the knowledge that I have not sided with the intellectual heirs of those who tried to exterminate my family.

NO
SURRENDER,
R

I have my own issues with Pamela as well. She interviewed Paul Belien for more than an hour on her "radio show" and let him spew the most ridiculous insults at me--while she agreed with his every word. She behaved very badly in the dispute over Vlaams Belang, and I'll never see her in the same way again.

386 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:05:53pm

re: #370 coquimbojoe

I'm too busy handling snakes over here......

LOL!

387 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:05:55pm

re: #383 Cygnus

With hot Spotted Owl wings as an appetizer.

don't forget the snail datter soup !

388 hayseed  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:06:00pm

Hamas offers Isael a ten year truce...now where did that come from? the least little injustice to Muslims allways breaks the deal

389 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:06:22pm

re: #297 MandyManners

I will stand with fellow Christians (of varying degrees of thumping the Bible), Jews, Atheists, Buddhists, Bahaists, Zorastrianits, Shintoists, pagans and animists when it comes to combatting that which seeks to destroy all of us.

Great. Just great. Exclude the kindly Pastafarians.

390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:06:24pm

re: #380 sattv4u2

OT ,,, from the Goracle

"Despite the success of his film An Inconvenient Truth and last year’s Live Earth concerts in raising awareness, the former US Vice President believes little has changed where it counts and the situation is even more urgent.
cept his bank account !
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

"AL GORE wants to make a sequel to his Oscar-winning documentary on global warming"

Good ,,,, I need another day of napping in a theatre

Quite a bit has changed really. More people realize he is full of shit.

391 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:06:24pm

re: #377 mama winger
Geez, where ya been? Actually, it's probably better that you weren't around, for your own blood pressure, if nothing else.

392 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:06:39pm

I just spent my morning looking at dog poo under a microscope. Anybody got a strong drink with a pretty umbrella in it that I could borrow ?

393 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:06:58pm

re: #389 debutaunt

Great. Just great. Exclude the kindly Pastafarians.

but I ate their god.

with some nice red wine.

394 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:12pm

re: #372 LanceKates

The idea that we'd be better off if we just 'got rid of those christians' is not a new thought in conservative circles... it is, saddly, gaining steam as the younger generations were raised in a fairly anti-christian public school.

However, they are on sinking sand and will discover it when it is too late.

It isn't new, and it isn't going away. But we still ought to fight the notion that conservativism is 'better served' without religion.

Since when? Where?

395 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:19pm

re: #377 mama winger

Amen to that, Mandy.

*tackle*

missed ya.

396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:22pm

re: #360 LanceKates

Nice weather here too... lawn service is mowing the grass at the office, I can hear them go by.

Very relaxing sound.... and the smell is so sweet... unfortunately I can't smell it in the office... just when I left for lunch.

Always smells better when someone else mows it.

397 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:27pm

re: #98 LanceKates

Heh.. as long as you call us paisans and not WOPs, we're just fine... lol.

I'm Italian, German and Native American.

Get off my land or I'll invade you with my supply of meatballs.

lol.

Swedish meatballs!

/half Swedish, half mutt

398 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:35pm

re: #390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Quite a bit has changed really. More people realize he is full of shit.

his bank account has changed ,,,,, his girth has increased ,,,,,, he's even more annoying than he was while he was ignoring what the Clintons were doing in the White House ,,,,,

399 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:44pm

re: #394 MandyManners

Since when? Where?

since when where what?

400 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:51pm

re: #391 EC Marm

Geez, where ya been? Actually, it's probably better that you weren't around, for your own blood pressure, if nothing else.

I have been staring at parasites all day.

None of them crept in here, did they? Cuz I is off the clock.

401 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:07:51pm

Some days I miss Octopus. (sigh)

402 hayseed  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:10pm

whoops Charles I messed up. I should have sent that a different way

403 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:16pm
404 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:18pm

re: #396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Always smells better when someone else mows it.

LOL.. so very true, but I do enjoy a nice relaxing ride on a riding lawnmower.

Very peaceful with enough noise to drown out cars passing by.... Good meditating time.

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:21pm

re: #383 Cygnus

With hot Spotted Owl wings as an appetizer.

Hot Spotted Owl Wings? That will be repeated. Thanks.

406 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:31pm

re: #401 Peacekeeper

uccchhhh, but lololololol too!

407 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:32pm

re: #354 LanceKates

What is? Predicting that those who disagree with me will paint me out to be a bigot?

I only say it because it is how it works. Consistantly.

It isn't ME.... it is anyone who presents that argument.

Now, were you suggesting that?

Sigh.

I was suggesting that your "poor me" attitude is tiresome.

If people call you a bigot then argue your point as to why you are not one, but don't throw out the pity party line every time you make a statement that someone may not agree with our want clarification from you.

Not everyone who doesn't share your opinion thinks you are a bigot.

408 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:39pm

re: #377 mama winger

Amen to that, Mandy.

I believe that we can respect our differences--even squabble at times--and still triumph.

409 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:44pm

To be honest, I find it very offensive when one sect of Christians purports to speak for all of us Christians. A born again, a Methodist, a Baptist, they cannot speak for me, and I'd rather they not.

Being Catholic (part of the largest Christian demonimation in the US), I'm used to seeing people of the same sect of differing sides of an issue. There are liberation theologians who are less than one step removed from Marxists, and there are free market types like the late William Buckley. One cannot assume that a moonbat isn't religious, as one cannot assume a non-religious person is a moonbat. Moonbats come in all flavors (I've even seen born again ones).

For the pro-freedom/anti-jihad to be effective, we cannot simply discount those who are religious, nor assume they are necessarily lock-step in how they think about the wrld around them. Likewise, we cannot accept moonbats until they have disavowed that which really makes them moonbats in the first place. The dislike of these United States, it's Constitution and all that it stands for. The principles ensrined in the Constitution are what make us the pro-freedom/anti-jihad movement. Not any religion, not an specific sect, not our occupation, not where we live. None of that will matter anyway of we let the moonbats and the jihad win. For if they win, all that we have worked for since the Magna Carta will be in vain.

410 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:08:52pm

re: #397 Cygnus

Swedish meatballs!

/half Swedish, half mutt

Which half? Because I've got a half here too. Together we might make up one whole dumb Swede. :)

411 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:09:25pm

re: #379 LanceKates

That's why we fight. By words when possible, by force when needed.

Just about all that matters to me is that my son won't live in a world in which his wife wears a burkha.

412 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:09:43pm

Hillary needs our support.

Not that I or anyone else here would actually vote for Hillary, But it's to our benefit to keep this Democrat infighting going as long as we can.
Hillary was up by 2 points two days ago, now she's down by seven.

413 mama winger  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:10:09pm

re: #408 MandyManners

I believe that we can respect our differences--even squabble at times--and still triumph.

Oh crap. Are we still squabbling? I hate it when we squabble. But making up is good too.

I say that in a purely asexual way.

414 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:10:12pm

re: #407 loppyd

I never claimed they did.

And now you're turning from the actual discussion to a post about how 'tiresome' I am.

Though, one interesting point:

If people call you a bigot then argue your point as to why you are not one,

No, If they're making the claim, then they need to provide the proof.

415 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:10:33pm

re: #389 debutaunt

Great. Just great. Exclude the kindly Pastafarians.

Oh, noez.

416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:10:52pm

re: #404 LanceKates

LOL.. so very true, but I do enjoy a nice relaxing ride on a riding lawnmower.

Very peaceful with enough noise to drown out cars passing by.... Good meditating time.

Once was on a riding mower ran over a snake that was so big that it stalled the mower. Ran like hell...was thinking, if it was that big, I must have just pissed it off.

417 LanceKates  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:10:53pm

re: #411 MandyManners

I agree.
And seperating out those deemed 'too christian' is a quick way for us all too lose.

418 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:10:54pm

re: #17 Ben Hur

Atlas must miss us.

I hope she will come around some day.

/like the prodigal son

419 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:11:29pm

re: #368 Cygnus

Some of us believe in Ceiling Cat.

And there's always Queen Mauve of the Last Thursdayists (and the heretical Last Tuesdayists).

420 Peacekeeper  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:11:37pm

re: #411 MandyManners

Just about all that matters to me is that my son won't live in a world in which his wife wears a burkha.


Well, he can move to Vermont and his husband can wear a Bhurka...

421 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:11:55pm

re: #411 MandyManners

Just about all that matters to me is that my son won't live in a world in which his wife wears wives wear a burkhas.

422 incanus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:12:05pm

re: #378 bosforus

Please don't do that. I would suggest giving up on people that don't understand your point rather than giving up on your points.

Even better idea: try to (re-)articulate your points so that people who don't currently understand your PoV are able to.

/I'll skip the part about understanding not necessarily bringing agreement

423 loppyd  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:12:35pm

re: #414 LanceKates

I never claimed they did.

And now you're turning from the actual discussion to a post about how 'tiresome' I am.

Though, one interesting point:

No, If they're making the claim, then they need to provide the proof.

Not how tiresome you are. How tiresome your tactics are.

Back to SCROLL mode.

424 eff plus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:12:50pm

I thought one of the greatest things I’ve ever heard Robert say was, IIRC, indeed at his now, unfortunately, controversial talk in Brussels, when he said (paraphrasing here, I wish I could remember the exact words, but I can’t) that we should remember not to over-blow sniping at one another simply because one of us doesn’t have exactly the same program as the other guy.

Ours is a nascent movement, and we need to stick together as much as possible and keep our eye on the big picture. I personally find myself allying with people now very strongly that before I learned about this issue a few years ago, I would have had very little in common with.

Don’t get me wrong – I can understand why LGF takes such a strong stand against European white nationalists. Believe me, I’ve got a lot of experience in Europe, and I know that is a major factor to contend with there. But in other cases sometimes it seems like people sometimes behave counter-productively in the face of differences that really pale in comparison to the global jihad we face.

425 storagemanager  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:12:57pm

re: #399 LanceKates

since when where what?


Who's on first?

426 EC Marm  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:13:09pm

Thank G-d the election in PencilVainYa is tomorrow. I've had Bill Clinton speak one mile south of me, Barack Obama speak two miles north, and pretty sure I saw Michelle in the parking lot of the local super market (buying overpriced lettuce, I guess) last week. Barack has spent 2 dollars for every 1 of Hillary's and the commercials on tv and radio have been incessant for weeks.
I need a vacation!

427 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:13:10pm

re: #419 Honorary Yooper

And there's always Queen Mauve of the Last Thursdayists (and the heretical Last Tuesdayists).

Sounds like a college band name

428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:13:13pm

re: #408 MandyManners

Mandy, your #297 is the best post I've seen in days. You is correct. Thanks.

429 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:13:31pm

re: #399 LanceKates

since when where what?

From your No. 372.

The idea that we'd be better off if we just 'got rid of those christians' is not a new thought in conservative circles... it is, saddly, gaining steam as the younger generations were raised in a fairly anti-christian public school.

430 bosforus  Mon, Apr 21, 2008 1:13:49pm

re: #422 incanus