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Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:12:09 am PDT

Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.

Sun Tzu

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1 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:14:23am

Oooh I like Sun Tzu

/in death ground fight.

2 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:14:39am

Morning Lizards!

3 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:15:23am

Morning rightside, how are you this fine, beautiful day.

4 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:17:16am

BRB, time to get everyone up to speed.

5 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:18:14am

re: #3 BlueCanuck

Morning BC, doing just great thanks..and you?

6 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:19:19am

So, do we root for Hillary and hope the Dems beat up on each other even more? Or do we root for Obama in hopes that enough damage is done to render him worthless on a national scale? Too bad we know just how worthless (yet scary) he really is already.

7 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:20:14am

That's a great Sun Tzu quotation. I seriously think I'll have it mounted on the wall of my office.

8 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:21:14am

re: #6 TheMatrix31

I vote for the former...still forever relatively speaking before the GE... more bloodshed!

9 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:22:00am

re: #6 TheMatrix31

So, do we root for Hillary and hope the Dems beat up on each other even more? Or do we root for Obama in hopes that enough damage is done to render him worthless on a national scale? Too bad we know just how worthless (yet scary) he really is already.

I like to think that either way we win!

Seriously though, I don't like playing games with elections (although I know that's a BIG part of them). I'd rather Hillary win the nomination because, believe it or not, I trust her more than I do Obama, and if McCain loses, I'm far more worried about our country under Obama than I am under Hillary.

10 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:22:06am

re: #6 TheMatrix31


I suspect the average Lizard would be happier (less anguished?) with Hillary than with Obama "Saddam" Hussain...

Hillary: If Iran Attacked Israel With Nukes 'We Would Be Able to Totally Obliterate Them'
11 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:23:52am

The problem with Hillary winning is that it seems like now, McCain would have a more difficult time beating her than Obama. I guess we don't know anything for sure, but it seems like a far cry compared to just a short time ago.

12 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:24:49am

re: #6 TheMatrix31

So, do we root for Hillary and hope the Dems beat up on each other even more? Or do we root for Obama in hopes that enough damage is done to render him worthless on a national scale? Too bad we know just how worthless (yet scary) he really is already.

Hillary. Given a choice beteen voting for Obama and voting for Hillary, I would even vote for Hillary. And she is the next to the last individual in the world that I would vote for. If it says anything, I would vote for Howard Dean before I would vote for Obama.

13 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:25:44am

re: #11 TheMatrix31

The problem with Hillary winning is that it seems like now, McCain would have a more difficult time beating her than Obama. I guess we don't know anything for sure, but it seems like a far cry compared to just a short time ago.

I don't think that is true. Hillary and Obama have done a lot of damage to each other.

14 littleoldlady  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:27:10am

re: #13 galloping granny

I don't think it's true either. Right now, there's a substantial percentage of Hillary folks who would vote for McCain rather than Obama, and visa versa.

15 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:27:52am

re: #12 galloping granny

I would vote for my disembodied spleen before I would vote for Obama

16 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:28:31am

re: #14 littleoldlady

I don't think it's true either. Right now, there's a substantial percentage of Hillary folks who would vote for McCain rather than Obama, and visa versa.

Exactly. Increasing every day.

/How're you this morning? Did I miss the fruit cup?

17 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:29:14am

re: #12 galloping granny

Hillary. Given a choice beteen voting for Obama and voting for Hillary, I would even vote for Hillary.

Somewhere she is laughing her ass off

That's the whole point of OBAMA
he is SUPPOSED to make her look acceptable

He sure makes her look less like a Marxist, doesn't he?

18 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:29:32am

re: #14 littleoldlady

I don't think it's true either. Right now, there's a substantial percentage of Hillary folks who would vote for McCain rather than Obama, and visa versa.

That's because they're filled with seething, burning, bitter rage!

19 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:29:44am

re: #15 BabbaZee

I would vote for my disembodied spleen before I would vote for Obama

You and me both Babba. I think you are on exactly the same semicolon in the same sentence on the same page about Barrack Hussein Obama. The "messiah." Agent of "change."

20 Ps2  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:30:14am

Islams want to change Greenwich time to mecca time and claim mecca is the center of the earth

[Link: www.newser.com...]

Daniel 7;25 gives some insight on the movement of history and the god of the bible proclaims Jerusalem to be the center of the earth.


interesting times we live in.

21 littleoldlady  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:30:47am

re: #18 rightside

Honey, I'm a Pennsylvanian.

/bitter is what I cling to

;-)

22 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:31:05am

The Real Jimmy Carter

As former President Jimmy Carter met with Hamas leaders and laid a wreath at the tomb of terrorist Yasser Arafat, Americans were wondering who Carter really is.

Carter came into office portraying himself as a man of the people, a peanut farmer who cares about the problems of working class Americans. But Secret Service agents, Air Force One stewards, and White House residence staff saw an entirely different picture.

While Richard Nixon was known to the Secret Service as the strangest modern president, Carter was known as the least likeable. If the true measure of a man is how he treats the little people, Carter flunked the test. Inside the White House, Carter treated those who helped and protected him with contempt.

[SNIP]

23 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:31:35am

re: #17 BabbaZee

Hillary. Given a choice beteen voting for Obama and voting for Hillary, I would even vote for Hillary.

Somewhere she is laughing her ass off

That's the whole point of OBAMA
he is SUPPOSED to make her look acceptable

He sure makes her look less like a Marxist, doesn't he?

No, not less Marxist. Just less a cipher or a strawman.

24 Panhandler  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:31:48am

re: #15 BabbaZee

I would vote for my disembodied spleen before I would vote for Obama


I found Babba's sock puppet!

25 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:32:19am

re: #19 galloping granny

. I think you are on exactly the same semicolon in the same sentence on the same page about Barrack Hussein Obama.


no doubt.

26 littleoldlady  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:32:31am

re: #17 BabbaZee

You know, Babba...your theory of using Obama as a foil for Hillary is a good one (and which I agree/d with). But don't you think it backfired on "them"?

Regardless of what happens today, I think he's going to get the nomination.

{BabbaZee}! :-)

27 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:32:48am

re: #24 Panhandler

Babba don't sock... but LOL~

28 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:33:25am

re: #21 littleoldlady

Now that's just funny...are you joining Operation Chaos? Voting to keep shrillary in?

29 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:33:30am

re: #26 littleoldlady

{Lil~Ole!}

It ain't over till it's over

30 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:33:48am
31 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:34:16am

re: #23 galloping granny

not to you maybe, you have an eagle eye
but to the public at large, she looks like a conservative in comparison

32 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:34:35am

re: #26 littleoldlady

You know, Babba...your theory of using Obama as a foil for Hillary is a good one (and which I agree/d with). But don't you think it backfired on "them"?

Regardless of what happens today, I think he's going to get the nomination.

{BabbaZee}! :-)

I'm not so sure of that after he announced yesterday that he would not be attending the debate long scheduled for North Carolina because of "time constraints."

33 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:34:55am

re: #30 savage_nation

He is one evil MFer

34 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:35:01am

Nuts, step away from the desk for a few minutes and the place picks up. :)

35 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:35:56am

Jimmah Carter is a tool

36 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:36:06am

re: #34 BlueCanuck

Nuts, step away from the desk for a few minutes and the place picks up. :)

Serves you right for eating all the fruit salad. Did you bring coffee back with you?

37 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:36:29am
38 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:36:57am

re: #20 Ps2

Warning:

This is a PDF

thought you may find it interesting

39 Irene NYC  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:37:14am

BabbaZee

Are you going to post a song for Earth Day? Maybe you could find something to match Giggle's, whooops!, I meant Google's fairytale art work? You know, something with a strident, Lenin-esque beat to it.

40 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:37:34am

re: #37 savage_nation

Replacing pictures of previous Presidents with his? I had no idea!

Thank GOD I believe that all men will be judged. It's the only thing that keeps me from violence.

41 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:37:47am

re: #21 littleoldlady

Honey, I'm a Pennsylvanian.

/bitter is what I cling to

;-)

{littleoldlady}!

Seriously, I want to arrange a meet-up after school's out (June 3). I'd love to go to the King of Prussia Mall--perhaps we could meet for lunch?

42 littleoldlady  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:37:53am

re: #28 rightside

Now that's just funny...are you joining Operation Chaos? Voting to keep shrillary in?

No sir! I am a registered Democrat, and in Pennsylvania I now have only 2 choices to vote for in the primary.

/let's not go into the fact that I don't really have a choice, thanks to our primary system...
//where's my bloodpressure meds?!

43 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:38:54am

re: #39 Irene NYC

BabbaZee

Are you going to post a song for Earth Day? Maybe you could find something to match Giggle's, whooops!, I meant Google's fairytale art work? You know, something with a strident, Lenin-esque beat to it.

Oh good LAWD!

LOL!

44 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:39:12am

re: #39 Irene NYC

BabbaZee

Are you going to post a song for Earth Day? Maybe you could find something to match Giggle's, whooops!, I meant Google's fairytale art work? You know, something with a strident, Lenin-esque beat to it.

We are having a bonfire today to celebrate Earth Day :)

45 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:39:59am

I think I will go let all the product out of all my aerosol cans at once

BBIAM

46 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:40:16am

re: #36 galloping granny

I did NOT eat all the fruit salad. And coffee? What coffee?

/furtively slides cup of decaf behind him. *innocent look*

47 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:40:57am

Why didn't they make Earth Day coincide with Hitler's BD? Then they could have reallly partied like it's 1939

48 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:41:18am

From Instapundit: [Link: www.instapundit.com...]

OVER AT JERRY POURNELLE'S PLACE, some thoughts about evolution and creationism:

The ID/fundamentalists only posit a Creator who acts in ways that make sense to people, with human motivations (and yes, some folks like Hoyle---RIP, a great man---did not fit into this category). I'm back with Greg Benford about that: "The thing about aliens is, they're alien." The same thing holds true for deities. We *cannot* understand the universe from quanta to quasars, genes to galaxies. At least not now.

The AAs fit the same mold. I know better than Dawkins about the limitations of evolutionary thought on a molecular level (he is not a molecular biologist, as I am). Yet his pride shows in every syllable. The Greeks had a word for this: hubris.

None of this is new, and you have a great deal to contend with at present. All I am saying is that both "sides" miss the point: we should be humble about ourselves and our place in the universe. We cannot *know* if a Creator exists. We can only *believe* if one exists, or does not. And we should definitely be humble about our own tools to probe the universe---they are sparse and primitive.

The Fundamentalists who say the most ignorant things about evolution are wrong on their side. And Dawkins and Myers and their ilk, who dare to call people of faith "stupid" (while their own atheism requires as much faith as any snake handling fundamentalist), revolt me.

Mark Twain once wrote that we didn't know whether or not there was life after death. But soon enough we would know, so why fret about it?

Works for me!

49 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:42:32am

re: #48 goddessoftheclassroom

The ID/fundamentalists

that's the first three words of the article.

If I believe that ID has merit
I am a Fundie.

I am pretty fucking sick of that hooplewanky already.

50 Irene NYC  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:42:44am

BabbaZee!

As always, you are the best!

51 littleoldlady  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:43:18am

re: #41 goddessoftheclassroom

Hey! I thought we were meeting at Cracker Barrel?

/perhaps that's the matzah talking ;-)

I would love to meet up with you! Unfortunately at the moment we are in a nasty state of financial flux. If I can fix this mess by the summer we'll make concrete plans, okay?

52 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:43:24am

re: #50 Irene NYC

{Irene!}


lol!

53 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:43:32am

re: #48 goddessoftheclassroom

Amen goddess. That's an argument I can get behind.

/still say god was a mathmatician.

54 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:43:44am

re: #49 BabbaZee

that's the first three words of the article.

If I believe that ID has merit
I am a Fundie.

I am pretty fucking sick of that hooplewanky already.

Oh, keep reading, though. Pretend the / is more an "or" than an "and."

55 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:44:41am

re: #42 littleoldlady

No sir! I am a registered Democrat, and in Pennsylvania I now have only 2 choices to vote for in the primary.

/let's not go into the fact that I don't really have a choice, thanks to our primary system...
//where's my bloodpressure meds?!

Yes LET'S to into the fact that the "Democrat" party has instituted a system of unelected, appointed "superdelegates" to override the expressed will of the people, completely disenfranchised the voters of two of the largest states in the US because the legislatures of those states chose to change primary day, and now want the superdelegates to decide who will be the Democrat nominee before the people in the last 10 or so states even have a chance to case a ballot! Did you know Dean was screaming for the superdelegates to choose yesterday? You would not even have needed to bother to vote!


And THEN they have the gall to call the ultimate choice for Democrat contender for the presidency the "people's representative." OK. Frankly, I think the Democrat party should be hauled into court for election fraud and engineering.

56 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:45:04am

re: #51 littleoldlady

Hey! I thought we were meeting at Cracker Barrel?

/perhaps that's the matzah talking ;-)

I would love to meet up with you! Unfortunately at the moment we are in a nasty state of financial flux. If I can fix this mess by the summer we'll make concrete plans, okay?

Oh, yes, a Cracker Barrel by all means! Is there one by KofP Mall?

/breakfast and shopping and littleoldlady--life will be good.

Summer will be far better for me, too.

57 Widow'smight  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:45:14am

re: #42 littleoldlady

Maybe us Pencil heads are sooo bitter because we get up so early to feed the chickens, load our guns, read our Scriptures and Alienate illegals.

How ya doin lady?

58 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:45:31am

re: #54 goddessoftheclassroom

I did read it.

But the inference was made,
and it is the kick off to the article to boot.

This is apparently a very common assumption,
and I am already sick of it is all

59 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:45:44am

re: #46 BlueCanuck

I did NOT eat all the fruit salad. And coffee? What coffee?

/furtively slides cup of decaf behind him. *innocent look*

You can keep the decaf honey :) Gotta be the real thing, strong enough to put hair on your chest (though not quite so strong as to stand up a spoon.) With just a touch of cream.

60 Irene NYC  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:46:00am

re: #44 galloping granny


We are having a bonfire today to celebrate Earth Day :)

Well, burn, granny, burn. And don't you furgit to send your prayers up to Gaia and the witches.
;)

61 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:46:45am

re: #54 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, keep reading, though. Pretend the / is more an "or" than an "and."

The sciences help us to understand "what." The arts help us to understand "what now."

Faith helps us understand "why."

62 littleoldlady  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:46:50am

re: #55 galloping granny

I think the Democrat party should be hauled into court for election fraud and engineering.

I would agree with you (100%!), except their machinations are pretty much assuring an Obama loss.

/conflicted ;-)

63 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:46:53am
Pretend the / is more an "or" than an "and."

It was written with a specific intent.
I won't pretend it was not.

64 littleoldlady  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:48:23am

re: #57 Widow'smight

Widow'smight! :-)

I'm okay. Exercising my touchpad finger in anticipation. :-)

You?

65 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:48:52am

re: #53 BlueCanuck

Amen goddess. That's an argument I can get behind.

/still say god was a mathmatician.

I would bet there is a fairly good possibility of that, given the frequent repetition of things like the Fibonnaci series.

66 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:48:53am

okay, off to work, be back in a bit.

67 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:49:15am
68 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:49:24am

re: #63 BabbaZee

It was written with a specific intent.
I won't pretend it was not.

I understand your frustration, but I was thrilled to see someone point out the flaws in the other argument.

70 MrMom  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:49:54am

re: #15 BabbaZee

I would vote for my disembodied spleen before I would vote for Obama

YEAH! Finally, a qualified candidate!
I'd vote for your spleen too, { { {BABBA} } }
I miss you maniacs! Just a quick drive-by. Tons of stuff going on and not enough time in the day.
L'il Ms.Mom may be going to Notre Dame in the fall. (beaming with pride). Decision time this week. My work situation is "in flux" but hope to have it resolved soon.
Will be back regularly as soon as possible. Keep my seat warm please.
I leave you (temporarily) with this...
[Link: www.biblegateway.com...]

71 littleoldlady  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:50:40am

re: #56 goddessoftheclassroom

There's a Cracker Barrel in Plymouth Meeting, about 10 minutes from the Mall.

/life is good! :-)

72 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:50:55am

re: #60 Irene NYC

Well, burn, granny, burn. And don't you furgit to send your prayers up to Gaia and the witches.
;)

Over my dead body you should even joke about such a thing as sending prayers to anyone except YHWH. I won't even eat food marked halal because I consider it to have been dedicated to a false god.

You didn't see the point about open burning to "celebrate" Earth Day, did you? Greenies don't think open burning is very green.

73 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:53:28am

Morning

74 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:53:47am
75 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:54:04am

re: #65 galloping granny

I would bet there is a fairly good possibility of that, given the frequent repetition of things like the Fibonnaci series.

And don' forget the good old ones like π, φ (phi), and plancks constant.

76 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:54:34am

re: #68 goddessoftheclassroom

It's not frustration Goddess.
I just have a deep belief in the power of words and I watch how they are used very very carefully.

And yes it was nice to see someone point out the flaws.

IMO this argument is a huge waste of time.

Evolution partially and incompletely describes a mechanism, not a cause.
GOD and science are not mutually exclusive.

But SCIENCE wants to make sure they are.

I have no desire to have any arguments with anyone over this crap.

Far as I am concerned it is another Stan sponsored divide and conquer trick.

But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.
~Titus 3:9

77 LeftJustAintRight  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:55:16am

In honor of Earth Day all liberals should stop breathing for 15 minutes to help the environment !

78 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:55:17am

re: #70 MrMom

{MrMom!}

79 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:56:31am

re: #72 galloping granny

Over my dead body you should even joke about such a thing as sending prayers to anyone except YHWH. I won't even eat food marked halal because I consider it to have been dedicated to a false god.

You didn't see the point about open burning to "celebrate" Earth Day, did you? Greenies don't think open burning is very green.

You are so right. I almost got into a heated argument at a very genteel women's club meeting about changing our association's stance from requiring "an affirmation in belief in God" to "an affirmation fo spirituality." Fortunately, even grander dames than I smacked down the waffly moonbat, and we stood by our traditions.

80 Irene NYC  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:57:34am

re: #72 galloping granny


You didn't see the point about open burning to "celebrate" Earth Day, did you? Greenies don't think open burning is very green.

Granny,
That "smile" at the end of my post indicated that I was making fun of the greenies and their beliefs.

81 Widow'smight  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:58:07am

re: #49 BabbaZee

Seems to me there are many "Scientific Geniuses" here in LGF waiting in the wings ready to Condescend from on high on those with different views, putting them in their stupid places with some very harsh words.
The interenet allows you to abuse very nice folks without any real facts your line of thinking is valid and without worry of having some Widow's-like man kick your f--in ass for pissing on a lady.

You're not a man when you do that, you're a coward.

I've also noticed the differences between said folks and moonbats/Islamists are very few, maybe that's why they act the same when their holy sacrements has been challenged.

82 littleoldlady  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:58:34am

Gotta go wake up the Republicans that I live with...

Good day, ALL!™

83 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:58:48am

re: #76 BabbaZee

Romans : 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

84 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:59:41am

Got to run--take care and God bless us, every one!

85 MrMom  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 3:59:49am

re: #78 BabbaZee

"Most excellent" lizards (heh)....I know you're not dull.
[Link: www.biblegateway.com...]
Back when I can. Have a great day all. I love and miss you and remember you in my prayers.

86 Widow'smight  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:00:20am

re: #64 littleoldlady

Great! Don't have to water those perty plants I got in the mail thanks to the Climate change on Sunday. Going out to Pittsburgh this weekend to see my Baby and watch the Phillies.

How's your Princess doing without you to butt up against?

87 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:00:56am

re: #81 Widow'smight

They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast.
~ Revelation 17:13

88 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:01:09am

re: #85 MrMom

"Most excellent" lizards (heh)....I know you're not dull.
[Link: www.biblegateway.com...]
Back when I can. Have a great day all. I love and miss you and remember you in my prayers.

Back at ye

89 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:01:21am

re: #83 storagemanager

144,000 updings

90 Irene NYC  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:01:58am

BabbaZee, granny, et. al.,

Our own Ghagdad Bob has always been eloquent on the subject at his website onecosmos. Certainly one of the web's worthier endeavors.

91 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:02:33am

re: #90 Irene NYC

Bob is a genius, I love him, always have.

92 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:03:15am

re: #79 goddessoftheclassroom

You are so right. I almost got into a heated argument at a very genteel women's club meeting about changing our association's stance from requiring "an affirmation in belief in God" to "an affirmation fo spirituality." Fortunately, even grander dames than I smacked down the waffly moonbat, and we stood by our traditions.

The Girl Scouts has changed it. You would not even recognize the GS Promise or Laws these days. And I think the motto is long, long gone.

93 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:05:50am

re: #80 Irene NYC

Granny,
That "smile" at the end of my post indicated that I was making fun of the greenies and their beliefs.

My apologies then Irene. I am a cranky *itch before I have had coffee & aspirin.

94 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:05:59am
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice criticized former US President, Jimmy Carter once again for his meetings with Hamas leaders in Gaza and Damascus, saying Carter has been explicitly warned not to meet with the Hamas. (AP)

That's her job... [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

95 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:07:14am

Speaking of Stan Sponsored Divide and Conquer:


#745 BabbaZee

re: #738 Spiny Norman

The God-botherers have given zombie, of all people, the bum's rush?

Unfuckingbelievable.

Maybe I should try to get him/her to start posting at Hot Air or Protein Wisdom.

Bullshit.
People disagreed with Zombie.
This is a fucking mind crime now?
This is not even close to being the the same as "running Zombie off".
Did you read the thread?
Where are the posts where the "God People" gave Zombie the "bum's rush?"
Zombie was very harsh to people on the Ben Stein thread and mostly this attitude was not returned.
Bums rush my ass
People have actually tried to run me off here in the past.
So I know the difference.

96 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:07:41am
New museum with Temple replica to be erected opposite Western Wall. Project’s sponsors include actors Kirk, Michael Douglas

Ofer Petersburg Published: 04.22.08, 13:47 / Israel Jewish Scene


A grandiose museum featuring an elaborated massive replica of the Temple is currently being erected opposite the Western Wall.

The three-storey museum, whose construction is valued at nearly $20 million will be erected in the Aish HaTorah ("Fire of the Torah") Yeshiva complex. The museum will feature a journey through Jewish history, from the days of Abraham to the present, emphasizing the message and significance of the Jewish people’s presence in the Land of Israel and their degree of accomplishment in world improvement.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

97 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:07:41am

re: #77 LeftJustAintRight

In honor of Earth Day all liberals should stop breathing for 15 minutes to help the environment !

That would make a definite, measurable, negative adjustment to the level of "greenhouse gases" in the environment.

98 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:08:08am
#739 realwest 4/21/08 10:33:03 pm reply quote report 3

re: #738 Spiny Norman
The "God-botherers"?! Not sure who it is your talking about.
Zombie made some points that perhaps some moonbats could be persuaded to come over to the Anti-Jihad side if they didn't have to "side along" with religious fundamentalists.
Some people - not all of whom are religious or religous fundamentalists - disagreed with zombie.
Zombie said she felt unwanted here and wouldn't be posting at LGF for "a while". No one here asked zombie to leave or to not post out here.
In fact, quite to the contrary a LOT of us asked zombie not to leave or at least dinged up posts that asked zombie not to leave.
So if zombie does leave, it will be his/her decision alone to make.

99 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:09:08am

re: #95 BabbaZee

Me too...you were one of the few..who spoke for me.

100 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:10:01am

I took today off work...yipee!
To get my timing belt on my car fixed...groan.

101 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:11:40am

re: #96 storagemanager

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Now that is very, very interesting storage.

102 Widow'smight  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:11:52am

re: #91 BabbaZee

Since neither can be proved, I'll stick for the most logical choice.

Let them make up another unbelievable answer to simple, logical questions. I really think this is one of their ways to feel more distinct from us Fundites. They have no idea we're all definately distinct from each other to begin with.

Me, well I can play my throat like Curlie on the stooges. And some other things.

103 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:11:59am

Well time to sign off, paper work just doubled on me here. :p

Have fun folks and when things are at the darkest just think. . . .PUPPIES. :)

*giggle*

104 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:12:06am

re: #99 storagemanager

Me too...you were one of the few..who spoke for me.

{Storage}

Because we get our information from the same source

LOL

105 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:15:02am

re: #102 Widow'smight

It's all BS

also
IMO the "fundies" are on the other foot.
Their FAITH in Random Nothing is remarkable.

LOL

Where "Religion" and "Science" do not disdain each other.

106 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:15:11am

re: #104 BabbaZee

{Storage}

Because we get our information from the same source

LOL


( BabbaZee ) you have the gift.

107 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:16:23am

re: #106 storagemanager

[blush]

We all have gifts.

You do have to walk in the way for them to be revealed to you and manifested through you though....

108 Irene NYC  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:16:25am

re: #93 galloping granny

Well, granny, there's certainly enough sh*t going on in the world to make even the best cranky at times. So, we're all in good company.
{Extra strong coffee on its way!}

109 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:17:41am

re: #101 galloping granny

PLEASE
Remind me to send you an e-mail regarding "60" and the Temple

110 Widow'smight  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:17:57am

re: #105 BabbaZee

Added that to my favorites to read at another time, thanks.

111 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:17:58am
Will Muhammad image ignite holy war?
'Why We Left Islam' 1st American book to picture 'prophet' on cover

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

112 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:19:51am

re: #110 Widow'smight

That's some deep stuff in there , LOL

113 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:24:30am
Muslim Leaders Want Mecca to Be Center of World Time Zones
April 22nd, 2008

...

another king will arise (The Antichrist)... He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time. - Daniel 7:24,25

[Link: www.joels-trumpet.com...]

114 hayseed  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:24:47am

good morning all protocols elders of zion.this ones funny

115 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:25:23am

re: #114 hayseed

I post that one all the time too LOL

116 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:26:07am

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

(show of hands, please)

117 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:27:19am

Are you dumb hicks still clinging to your religion?

118 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:28:10am

re: #116 Occasional Reader

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

(show of hands, please)

119 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:28:17am

re: #17 BabbaZee

Hillary. Given a choice beteen voting for Obama and voting for Hillary, I would even vote for Hillary.

Somewhere she is laughing her ass off

That's the whole point of OBAMA
he is SUPPOSED to make her look acceptable

He sure makes her look less like a Marxist, doesn't he?

Zackly! Their monster has gotten away from them, but it doesn't change what I think is Obama's political origin. Hillary ran to the center around three years ago. The only way she could do that is if she had an inflatable lefty bogeyman to suck up all the oxygen on her left during the primaries. Then pop his balloon (leaving the far left with only her to vote for) to get the nomination, while remaining positioned in the center to pick up the voters Obama never could. Additionally, she gets to say that she was always in the center.

The problem is that now, if she beats Obama, his fevered acolytes will revile her, and stay home in droves. Mitt Romney knows this math--that's why he committed himself to John McCain as soon as it became extremely unlikely that he would secure the nomination. Republicans will have gotten over it by the general election, while the Democrats will be staggering around in the dust of their ruined organization.

Go Hillary!

120 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:28:21am

re: #117 Occasional Reader

Are you dumb hicks still clinging to your religion?

Ahyup

lol

121 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:28:45am

Took my mowers to the shop..long days ahead.

122 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:29:11am

re: #119 haakondahl

HAAAAAAAAK!

;~}

123 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:29:52am

Me, I'm clinging to my boarding pass, and off to the last segment in you homeward-bound travels. Happy trails.

124 hayseed  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:29:58am

re: #115 BabbaZee

I was over at mpacuk this morning and some guy named brightray was posting some shit about the protocols. the Muslims on that board smacked him down so fast his head spun. it was a Muslim on Muslim smack down

125 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:30:07am

re: #109 BabbaZee

PLEASE
Remind me to send you an e-mail regarding "60" and the Temple

I'm reminding you :)

126 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:38:24am

I stayed out of the whole evolution/creation debate for two reasons:
1) the thread was already at 1500+ posts when I first saw it, and
2) such debates tend to be arguments rather than careful consideration of each other's views.

My own beliefs are:

God created the heavens and the earth, everything visible and invisible.

How He went about it is a mystery. The account in the first book of the Bible or Torah is in my opinion a symbolic story. The story is not false, nor a lie, but it does not give specific details or facts. In Moses' time (circa 1200 BCE), a science textbook explanation of creation would have been largely incomprehensible. In our own time, if we were given precise details of what happened, we probably wouldn't understand it any better. So we are given a broad symbolic synopsis of what took place.

If Stein butchered science and manipulated evidence to try to prove his point, he was was disingenuous and foolish.

127 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:44:03am

Posting is going to be a problem today..I see.

128 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:45:11am

[Link: fallbacklgf.blogspot.com...]

I put a thread up
couldn't get in for the last 5 -10 minutes or so

129 hayseed  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:46:30am

what we have here is a failure to communicate

130 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:47:21am

I opened the door to that thread, and was overwhelmed by the odor emanating from it. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 meter cattle prod. Maybe a moratorium on that subject for a bit.

131 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:48:29am

re: #127 storagemanager

Posting is going to be a problem today..I see.

Me too. Had to close and re-open.

132 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:48:32am

re: #128 BabbaZee

[Link: fallbacklgf.blogspot.com...]

I put a thread up
couldn't get in for the last 5 -10 minutes or so

I hope it is better than the chick puking...didn't care for that.

133 Irene NYC  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:49:09am

hayseed,

thanks for the Protocols link - hadn't seen it before.

134 Widow'smight  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:49:33am

re: #121 storagemanager

Right now, I have to jump my Lawn Tractor off my Truck. I Zink I neets a new Battry. I zink, zerfore I am

135 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:49:47am

re: #132 storagemanager

I hope it is better than the chick puking...didn't care for that.

I did not put that up

Karridine did

136 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:50:07am

re: #130 rightside

I opened the door to that thread, and was overwhelmed by the odor emanating from it. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 meter cattle prod. Maybe a moratorium on that subject for a bit.

But what about the rapidly evolving Lizards?

[ducks]

/suspected subtle comment from Lizard-In-Chief.

137 BulgarWheat  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:50:37am

re: #130 rightside

Lots of gamey lizard buttock, blood and entrails all over the floor......

shoot, you think that was bad you ought to come to one of my hill-billy family reunions.

Good morning, Lizards!

138 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:50:48am
Is it down?
Storagemanager | Edit comment Delete comment | 04.22.08 - 7:42 am | #

Gravatar yes this thread makes me sick so I put a new one above LOL
BabbaZee | Edit comment Delete comment | Email | Homepage | 04.22.08 - 7:51 am | #

139 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:50:52am

Good morning, all...

Well, I'm at comment #1750 (of 2,332 so far) in the Expelled Exposed thread. Is it worth plowing through the rest, or more of the same the rest of the way through? Inquiring lizard wants to know!

140 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:51:04am

re: #136 haakondahl

But what about the rapidly evolving Lizards?

[ducks]

/suspected subtle comment from Lizard-In-Chief.

Gee what FORCE sped them up?

141 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:51:16am

re: #139 christheprofessor

nope

142 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:51:35am

re: #137 BulgarWheat

{BULGARITY!}

143 BulgarWheat  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:52:59am

re: #142 BabbaZee

Mornin' Babba. Down in sunny Florida.

I need to run into the customer site here in a few minutes.

144 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:53:08am

I love the fact that Hillary said she would nuke Iran...after Iran nuked Israel...thats her idea of standing with Israel.

145 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:53:19am

BZ

"Nope" to "worth plowing through" or "Nope" to "more of the same?" (I suspect the former)...

146 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:54:22am

re: #145 christheprofessor

BZ

"Nope" to "worth plowing through" or "Nope" to "more of the same?" (I suspect the former)...

Nope to plowing through more of the same BS

147 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:54:34am

re: #140 BabbaZee

Gee what FORCE sped them up?


You've gone Jedi on us?

148 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:54:45am

re: #144 storagemanager

I love the fact that Hillary said she would nuke Iran...after Iran nuked Israel...thats her idea of standing with Israel.

That seems to be GWB's idea of it too

149 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:55:04am

re: #147 Occasional Reader

re: #140 BabbaZee
Gee what FORCE sped them up?

You've gone Jedi on us?

Traitor!

150 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:55:14am

re: #147 Occasional Reader

You've gone Jedi on us?

Oh HELL no.

LOL

151 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:56:21am

re: #136 haakondahl

HaHa!

re: #137 BulgarWheat

Lots of gamey lizard buttock, blood and entrails all over the floor......

shoot, you think that was bad you ought to come to one of my hill-billy family reunions.

Good morning, Lizards!

Good morning Bulgar, I was thinking more along the lines of I wouldn't have had much to add to that thread, intellectually speaking. A man's got to know his limitations.

152 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:56:23am

re: #144 storagemanager

I love the fact that Hillary said she would nuke Iran...after Iran nuked Israel...thats her idea of standing with Israel.

I thought that she just said that we were able to annihilate Iran (something which should be beyond debate, given the size of our nuclear arsenal) if they attacked Israel... The quote I saw did not say that we would, just that we could.

153 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:56:38am

re: #130 rightside

I opened the door to that thread, and was overwhelmed by the odor emanating from it. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 meter cattle prod. Maybe a moratorium on that subject for a bit.

lgf has refused to allow other topics to be discussed in the past—at least until everyone was willing to discuss calmly and civilly their opinions. I think that this topic might be suitable for a moratorium, too.

154 BulgarWheat  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:57:08am

re: #151 rightside

"a man's gotta know his limitations..."

one of my favorite Dirty Harry quotes.

155 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:57:39am

Welcome to the book of revelation.

Someone from our Feral Remnant Department will be with you in a moment.

Please hold.


Pope genuflects before UN


Coverage of the United Nations speech by Pope Benedict XVI was extremely lacking in critical analysis. None of the stories that Accuracy in Media surveyed in the major newspapers alluded to the fact that while the Pope had just finished apologizing for the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal in several U.S. appearances, his speech to the U.N. ignored the history of rapes of women and children committed by its so-called military “peacekeepers.” This has been a major U.N. scandal for years.

The Pope met with American victims of mostly homosexual Catholic priests, but said nothing about the victims of the U.N.

A Danish documentary, “And the U.N. Came,” blames U.N. troops for creating the AIDS crisis in Cambodia. The film documents how U.N. soldiers spread the disease by having sex with local citizens, children, and prostitutes. Asked about the conduct of U.N. soldiers, one U.N. official is shown saying, “Boys will be boys.”

Instead of addressing this scandal, Benedict called on the flawed and corrupt body to exercise a military doctrine known as the “Responsibility to Protect” people in trouble. This is one part of the speech that made news. It means the Vatican has endorsed the concept of the U.N. acquiring more power and influence, including of a military nature. Our media failed to point out that, generally speaking, the U.N. is considered incompetent or worse in military affairs. The 1994 Rwanda genocide, carried out under the noses of U.N. officials and peacekeepers, is considered the most notorious example.

In another curious development, at least for Catholics, Benedict ignored the world body’s devotion to population control through abortion and said that “My presence at this [U.N. General] Assembly is a sign of esteem for the United Nations, and it is intended to express the hope that the Organization will increasingly serve as a sign of unity between States and an instrument of service to the entire human family.”

[SNIP]

156 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:57:50am

re: #146 BabbaZee

Thanks. It was getting old, after all...

Desperately want to get up and get another mug of coffee, but the Puppinator is sleeping up against me and I don't want to disturb her...

157 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:58:18am
158 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:59:06am

re: #156 christheprofessor

but the Puppinator is sleeping up against me and I don't want to disturb her...


I have gotten cramps like that....

LOL

159 BulgarWheat  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:59:23am

re: #155 BabbaZee

Hi, my name is Bulgar and I'll be your Feral Remnant host this morning.

gotta head over to the customer site. be back later on.

160 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:59:38am

re: #156 christheprofessor

It carried on in the Robert Spencer thread too

161 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 4:59:46am

re: #159 BulgarWheat

MWAH

162 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:00:14am

re: #152 JamesTKirk

I thought that she just said that we were able to annihilate Iran (something which should be beyond debate, given the size of our nuclear arsenal) if they attacked Israel... The quote I saw did not say that we would, just that we could.

Clinton warns Iran of U.S. nuclear response
Senator: ‘Massive retaliation’ for attack on Israel would likely include NATO [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

163 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:00:35am

re: #154 BulgarWheat

"a man's gotta know his limitations..."

one of my favorite Dirty Harry quotes.


"Well, we're not just going to let you walk out of here..."

"Who's we, sucka?"

"Me....and Smith....and Wesson.."

164 Widow'smight  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:00:36am

re: #156 christheprofessor

You must really be nice to your wimmin friends, right?

165 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:01:18am

re: #153 David IV of Georgia

I suppose I'm lucky that my computer gags whenever threads get over 700 comments or so. Meanwhile, will everyone who has had their fundamental religious beliefs changed in an argument on the internet please raise your hands? I'm counting...well...

166 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:01:40am

re: #158 BabbaZee

re: #160 BabbaZee

"Heh!" to #158 and "Doh!" to # 160....

167 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:01:50am

re: #144 storagemanager

I love the fact that Hillary said she would nuke Iran...after Iran nuked Israel...thats her idea of standing with Israel.

Unfortunately, I think that some Iranians in charge might think that this would be a fair trade. Be on the watch for entire Iranian cabinet and military brass relocating to some Indonesian jungle. (Just because they think it's a fair trade doesn't mean they want to die.)

168 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:02:13am

re: #162 storagemanager

OK, that's a different article than the one I'd seen.

169 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:02:25am

re: #164 Widow'smight

I am when I have one -- right now, I batchin' it, though... :(

170 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:02:57am

Gyuuud evening, all!

171 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:04:39am

Not much time to post today as I have workshops to attend... but I wanted to stop in and say good morning to you, Lizards.

Michael Moore provides a perfect illustration why the Donk party is FUBAR:


LOS ANGELES — Michael Moore wants voters in Pennsylvania to cast their ballots for Barack Obama. Moore endorsed Obama in a 1,100-word posting on his Web site Monday. It includes praise for the Illinois senator and harsh words for Hillary Rodham Clinton, the Democratic Party and the Bush administration.

Lamenting the lack of a valid primary in his home state of Michigan, Moore writes that Obama’s experience and voting record aren’t as important as his “basic decency” and ability to inspire.

“What we are witnessing is not just a candidate but a profound, massive public movement for change,” Moore writes. “My endorsement is more for Obama The Movement than it is for Obama the candidate.”

He supports the GlowBama movement because he's been pummeled senseless, the poor man:

“I, like the majority of Americans, have been pummeled senseless for eight long years,” he writes. “That’s why I will join millions of citizens and stagger into the voting booth come November, like a boxer in the 12th round, all bloodied and bruised with one eye swollen shut, looking for the only thing that matters — that big ‘D’ on the ballot.”

/idiot

172 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:05:07am

re: #167 David IV of Georgia

Indonesian jungle?

Well...we are right next door... ;)

174 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:06:24am
WASHINGTON (AFP-EJP)---Democratic White House contender Barack Obama could not hide his irritation Monday when asked by a reporter what he thought about former president Jimmy Carter's meeting with Hamas last week.

"Why can't I just eat my waffle?" the Illinois senator said as he ate breakfast in Scranton, Pennsylvania, according to MSNBC television pictures.

Pressed again for an answer, he replied: "Just let me eat my waffle."

A true leader of the people. [Link: www.ejpress.org...]

175 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:06:24am

re: #165 Pullus Iulius

exactly.

176 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:06:40am

re: #171 Irish Rose

I've been pummeled senseless for the past eight years, but not because of Republicans. Though it was in part to that rich [expletive deleted] who got me kicked outta high school, but enough flashbacks. >__>

177 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:07:08am

re: #174 storagemanager

A true leader of the people. [Link: www.ejpress.org...]

That's a good one, considering the significance of "waffle" to Dem candidates...

178 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:07:19am

re: #174 storagemanager

"Conflicting Declarations from Carter and Hamas"

/a big, flashing headline with article time on CNN International earlier today...

179 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:07:41am

re: #174 storagemanager

Sounds like he's, um, waffling to me... ;)

180 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:07:43am

re: #144 storagemanager

I love the fact that Hillary said she would nuke Iran...after Iran nuked Israel...thats her idea of standing with Israel.

She didn't say she would obliterate them...she said we could obliterate them. Big difference. Hell, we could obliterate them right now.

181 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:07:55am

re: #176 laZardo

I've been pummeled senseless for the past eight years, but not because of Republicans. Though it was in part to that rich [expletive deleted] who got me kicked outta high school, but enough flashbacks. >__>

Could Mikey Moore really have been beaten senseless, without having had some sense in the first place?

182 yochanan  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:08:17am

re: #10 Pro-Bush Canuck

I suspect the average Lizard would be happier (less anguished?) with Hillary than with Obama "Saddam" Hussain...

i disagree with hillary on a lot of things and would not vote for her but i do have a clue what she whould do if iran were to attack israel, OBAMA SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME, and even my non political wife who is mostly a democrat out of habit worries a lot about obama. She clearly isn't the only jewish voter out there with the same fears.

183 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:08:30am

re: #173 BabbaZee

Uncredible!

184 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:08:34am

Sorry, Kirk, you beat me to the punch. Damn. You. James. Kirk. Daaaammmnnnn Youuuuuuu Kirrrrkkkkkkk!

185 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:08:48am
186 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:09:29am

re: #184 bikermailman

Sorry, Kirk, you beat me to the punch. Damn. You. James. Kirk. Daaaammmnnnn Youuuuuuu Kirrrrkkkkkkk!

[Link: i75.photobucket.com...]

187 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:10:26am

re: #171 Irish Rose

Not much time to post today as I have workshops to attend... but I wanted to stop in and say good morning to you, Lizards.

Michael Moore provides a perfect illustration why the Donk party is FUBAR:

/idiot

This is news how? :P

188 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:10:42am

re: #186 JamesTKirk

ROTFF!

189 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:10:53am

re: #180 bikermailman

She didn't say she would obliterate them...she said we could obliterate them. Big difference. Hell, we could obliterate them right now.

ok..here we go again..........

Clinton warns Iran of U.S. nuclear response
Senator: ‘Massive retaliation’ for attack on Israel would likely include NATO

Pretty clear to me... [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

190 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:11:01am

re: #181 JamesTKirk

Barring the logical redundancy of that question...I'm not sure.

191 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:11:01am

re: #186 JamesTKirk

[Link: i75.photobucket.com...]

LOL I thought you were going to get a picture of Khan shaking his fist.

192 Widow'smight  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:11:31am

re: #169 christheprofessor

If/when you find the right lady, hope the dog still thinks you da man!

I must go, enjoy this beautiful Climate Change.

193 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:11:52am

re: #174 storagemanager

A true leader of the people. [Link: www.ejpress.org...]

Waffles redeux...

194 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:12:29am

re: #190 laZardo

Maaaatt Daaaaaaaaamon

195 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:13:31am
196 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:13:44am
197 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:13:48am

Good morning all. Yet another beautiful mid-70s day on the rise.

Obama's waffling? Pass the syrup!

198 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:14:02am

re: #189 storagemanager

Pretty clear to me... [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Again, coulda and if... She's trying to shore up the Jewish vote, which already has problems with Obama. She's trying to make everyone forget her kissy-face with Arafat's wife.

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:14:12am

re: #191 bikermailman

Me too. Hi guys!

200 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:14:30am

re: #185 BabbaZee

Morning LaZee

I see we are back.

201 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:14:41am

re: #197 Lucius Septimius

Good morning all. Yet another beautiful mid-70s day on the rise.

Obama's waffling? Pass the syrup!


John F'ing Kerry has passed the syrup decanter!

202 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:14:56am

re: #196 rightside

Khannnnnnn!

Khaaan!

203 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:15:12am

re: #200 galloping granny

I see we are back.

For now it seems we are

204 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:15:37am

re: #198 bikermailman

Again, coulda and if... She's trying to shore up the Jewish vote, which already has problems with Obama. She's trying to make everyone forget her kissy-face with Arafat's wife.

Your missing my point...she would attack Iran...after Israel is nuked...no help before...that was my point.

205 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:15:50am

re: #198 bikermailman

Again, coulda and if... She's trying to shore up the Jewish vote, which already has problems with Obama. She's trying to make everyone forget her kissy-face with Arafat's wife.

We know the true face of Hillary.

206 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:16:20am

re: #192 Widow'smight

Thanks -- take care, buddy....

207 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:16:25am

re: #205 JamesTKirk

P'[expletive deleted]

208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:16:28am

I have far to travel today, but will be on later. Keep it real, keep it fresh, keep it Obama. Pray for Chaos.

209 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:16:43am

re: #174 storagemanager

A true leader of the people. [Link: www.ejpress.org...]

ROFLMAO! If he just wants to eat his waffle, why doesn't he order up room service?

210 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:17:15am

New avatar up -- and no, she's not doing what you might think at first glance...

211 hayseed  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:17:29am

re: #197 Lucius Septimius

Belgian waffle...I think these folks are on drugs

212 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:17:38am

re: #202 JamesTKirk

Khaaan!

Look at the background...

213 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:17:42am
214 neverquit  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:17:50am

Ya know, I was just thinking, scary huh? Why didn't anyone jump down Barack Hussein Chicago's throat for the violence in Chicago last weekend? Really? 9 homicides and 36 shootings?! I bet Baghdad was less violent over the weekend!

Where are the calls to pull the cops out of Chicago?!

While Barack Hussein Chicago is out compaigning, Chicago burns again! And I bet the Good Rev. Wright was safe and sound in his Green Zone Gated Compound!

215 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:18:08am

re: #202 JamesTKirk

Khaaan!

Now, that's funny, I don't care who ya are.

216 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:18:17am

re: #202 JamesTKirk

LOL!

217 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:18:31am

re: #174 storagemanager

If you excuse me, I'm gonna go be bitter, clinging to my guns, religion and pancakes.

218 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:18:32am

re: #172 laZardo

Indonesian jungle?

Well...we are right next door... ;)

I was trying to think if somewhere Islamic, distant from danger, and somewhere fairly easy to hide (Huge and somewhat remote).

219 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:18:55am

re: #215 bikermailman

Now, that's funny, I don't care who ya are.

I got more...

220 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:19:00am

re: #203 BabbaZee

For now it seems we are

Only temporarily for me - I may have to break down and go buy coffee. There isn't a bean in the house and diet coke just is not doing it this morning. Meanwhile, it is The Day. Found the first of the forsythia in blossom up on Garden Hill yesterday when we went up to clean up. Nephew will be here by 10, rototiller will be here before noon, seeds will be going into the garden before dinner. SPRING has arrived in Vermont!

221 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:19:22am

re: #213 BabbaZee

I'll second that...

222 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:19:24am

re: #204 storagemanager

Your missing my point...she would attack Iran...after Israel is nuked...no help before...that was my point.

Nah, I got it. I'm just saying she's including qualifiers, subtly, so she could get out of it if she wanted to. She and Obama both like to do lawyerly mind tricks.

223 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:20:16am

Good morning Lizards every where.....

224 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:20:24am

re: #222 bikermailman

Nah, I got it. I'm just saying she's including qualifiers, subtly, so she could get out of it if she wanted to. She and Obama both like to do lawyerly mind tricks.

It all depends on what the meaning of "nuke" is...

225 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:20:59am

re: #221 christheprofessor

It's so similar to:

I dont wanna use wade's hairbrush thing !

226 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:21:25am

re: #220 galloping granny

Only temporarily for me - I may have to break down and go buy coffee. There isn't a bean in the house and diet coke just is not doing it this morning. Meanwhile, it is The Day. Found the first of the forsythia in blossom up on Garden Hill yesterday when we went up to clean up. Nephew will be here by 10, rototiller will be here before noon, seeds will be going into the garden before dinner. SPRING has arrived in Vermont!

Heh. My daffodils were through blooming six weeks ago. We're cooling off today. Only 87.

227 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:21:27am

re: #224 JamesTKirk

It all depends on what the meaning of "nuke" is...

Heh. She's gonna microwave them? ;)

228 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:21:36am

re: #219 JamesTKirk

OMFG that is so funny!

229 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:21:39am

I'm off to the auto mechanic...sigh.
$$$$$$$$
Why can't rich people pay for my car repairs? I feel victimized.

230 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:21:53am

Good morning lizards.
As a relative newbie (just under 5 months) I was amazed yesterday to see the outpouring of affection for zombie and the amount of begging and beseeching that followed zombie's rather petulantly announced intention to temporarily withdraw from posting at LGF. This is a truly remarkable blog site.
I took zombie's main point (leaving aside the emotional and personal stuff) to be essentially a basic tactical question about how best to try to "convert" moonbats to the anti-Islamofascist cause. I think that was a valid issue to raise, and I would be interested to know:
1. Whether lizards think it is even possible that moonbats would be prepared to adopt the anti-Islamofascist cause; and,
2. If so, then whether lizards would welcome to LGF those modified moonbat "converts" who remained complete and utter moonbats in every other way except for their newfound anti-Islamofascism.

231 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:21:59am

Morning Dorian!

232 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:22:02am

re: #225 BabbaZee

It's so similar to:

I dont wanna use wade's hairbrush thing !

I'm unfamiliar with that... :(

233 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:23:07am

re: #229 David IV of Georgia

Don't forget your guns and religion before you leave. (:

234 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:23:14am

re: #220 galloping granny

Only temporarily for me - I may have to break down and go buy coffee. There isn't a bean in the house and diet coke just is not doing it this morning. Meanwhile, it is The Day. Found the first of the forsythia in blossom up on Garden Hill yesterday when we went up to clean up. Nephew will be here by 10, rototiller will be here before noon, seeds will be going into the garden before dinner. SPRING has arrived in Vermont!

Doh..............I sooo know the feeling, went to make my coffee this morning and found just barely enough to make a pot, I surely do wish people would let me know when we are running out....Especially when they know I am going to the store to get cream and sugar and tasty flavorings for my coffee...

235 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:23:22am

re: #228 rightside

OMFG that is so funny!

Khaaaan!

Khaaaan!

236 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:24:26am

re: #230 sparrowlake

Good morning lizards.
As a relative newbie (just under 5 months) I was amazed yesterday to see the outpouring of affection for zombie and the amount of begging and beseeching that followed zombie's rather petulantly announced intention to temporarily withdraw from posting at LGF. This is a truly remarkable blog site.
I took zombie's main point (leaving aside the emotional and personal stuff) to be essentially a basic tactical question about how best to try to "convert" moonbats to the anti-Islamofascist cause. I think that was a valid issue to raise, and I would be interested to know:
1. Whether lizards think it is even possible that moonbats would be prepared to adopt the anti-Islamofascist cause; and,
2. If so, then whether lizards would welcome to LGF those modified moonbat "converts" who remained complete and utter moonbats in every other way except for their newfound anti-Islamofascism.

As to your 1, most won't I guess. They don't care that gays are hanged, blacks are slaughtered, and women are subjugated and mutilated. Those are the three big identity groups. 2? Yeah, I'd accept them, welcome them home, and work on the other things as they stay here.

237 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:24:42am

re: #235 JamesTKirk


Stop! you're killing me here!

My coworkers are ready to call for an ambulance!

238 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:25:02am

re: #230 sparrowlake

I missed that. Can you please point me to it?

239 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:25:16am

Good Morning, Lizards! How are we all doin' this fine day?

Today's weather report from Michigan, via the 80's....

/what the hell were we thinking with those clothes? GACK!

240 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:25:18am

re: #235 JamesTKirk

Khaaaan!

Khaaaan!

You've got a million of em! ha cha cha

241 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:25:26am

re: #230 sparrowlake

I would be interested to know:
1. Whether lizards think it is even possible that moonbats would be prepared to adopt the anti-Islamofascist cause; and,
2. If so, then whether lizards would welcome to LGF those modified moonbat "converts" who remained complete and utter moonbats in every other way except for their newfound anti-Islamofascism.

Sparrowlake, once you've hung around a while you will discover that many of us - perhaps most - were once moonbats ourselves. Transformation from moonbat to sanity is an individual process. No, of course moonbats are not prepared to adopt the anti-jihadi cause. If they were they would not be moonbats.

242 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:25:35am

re: #229 David IV of Georgia

I'm off to the auto mechanic...sigh.
$$$$$$$$
Why can't rich people pay for my car repairs? I feel victimized.

Oh I'm there with ya brother...


re: #231 rightside

Morning Dorian!

Good morning rightside...I hope you are feeling well this morning.

243 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:26:30am

re: #237 rightside

Stop! you're killing me here!

My coworkers are ready to call for an ambulance!

Khaaaan!

244 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:27:08am

re: #230 sparrowlake

{Sparrow}

245 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:27:12am

re: #242 doriangrey


I'm laughing my ass off with JamesTKirks Khan pics! ROFL!

How are you?

246 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:27:34am

Besides... My brother used to be a rock ribbed conservative. Now, he was going for Paul, now he's turned to Obama. Moonbat new!

247 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:27:42am

re: #241 galloping granny

I'm happy to say I've been conservative all of my life (probably a function of my conservative, WW2-veteran father's influence). Hell, in college, one of my buds told me that I was just to the right of Atilla the Hun... ;)

248 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:28:03am

re: #234 doriangrey

Doh..............I sooo know the feeling, went to make my coffee this morning and found just barely enough to make a pot, I surely do wish people would let me know when we are running out....Especially when they know I am going to the store to get cream and sugar and tasty flavorings for my coffee...

I would be very angry if I went to the store for cream and sugar and tasty flavorings and came to find that there was no coffee.

249 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:28:09am

re: #232 christheprofessor

It was a fit Edwards or Kerry had in 04

I DONT WANNA USE WADES HAIRBRUSH

I think it was Edwards

anyway it rotates here since then

250 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:28:16am

re: #243 JamesTKirk

He's still in great shape! LOL

251 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:28:37am
"I call upon the jihadist generation in Lebanon to prepare to reach Palestine, and to banish the invading Crusader forces which are claimed to be peace keeping forces in Lebanon," Zawahiri said in reference to the UN forces deployed along the borders with Israel.

He also used the two-and-a-half hour message to urge Muslims to join militant groups, mainly in Iraq, where he claimed that the insurgency against the Iraqi government and the U.S.-led coalition forces is bearing fruit.


Turning his ire on Hamas, he said the Palestinian group's reported willingness to hold a referendum on any peace deal with Israel flew in the face of Sharia, or Islamic, law.

[Link: www.alarabiya.net...]

252 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:29:27am

re: #250 rightside

He's still in great shape! LOL

And how do I stay in shape?

253 ec marm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:29:53am

re: #230 sparrowlake
I enjoy the point/counterpoint aspect of LGF. But when someone suggests that some group should be tossed under the bus to appease moonbats, my feathers get ruffled.
I've lived with unruly, know-it-all teenagers, which is my opinion of moonbats, and the last thing they need is to be coddled and catered to. Reward their bad behavior and you'll just get even more of the same.
That wasn't a trial balloon that was floated, that was a lead balloon.

254 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:30:35am

re: #247 christheprofessor

I'm happy to say I've been conservative all of my life (probably a function of my conservative, WW2-veteran father's influence). Hell, in college, one of my buds told me that I was just to the right of Atilla the Hun... ;)

Ditto, and my time in the academy has only confirmed my sensibilities.

Sometimes I think I went into my particular line of work so that I could be surrounded by people I don't agree with; same reason my paelocon uncle moved to Berkeley.

255 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:30:49am

re: #247 christheprofessor

I'm happy to say I've been conservative all of my life (probably a function of my conservative, WW2-veteran father's influence). Hell, in college, one of my buds told me that I was just to the right of Atilla the Hun... ;)

I have been conservative about some things and fairly liberal when it comes to others. I have always, however, been quite far to the right of what presents today as the "centrist" Democrat party and consider "liberal" Democrats to be nothing short of a pack of Communists.

256 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:30:49am

Actually, the 'peace' would be in alignment with sharia. They are allowed to make up to a ten year treaty, if they're on the run. For the purpose of regrouping and rearming. Then, when they are back to strength, they are commanded to break the truce. Or at the end of ten years, whichever comes first. Ah, the good holy book...instructions on how to wage war, and have sexual relations.

257 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:31:12am

re: #229 David IV of Georgia

I'm off to the auto mechanic...sigh.
$$$$$$$$
Why can't rich people pay for my car repairs? I feel victimized.

What really chaps my ass is the way they build cars now such that once cannot even fix the simplest thing at home. My neighbor had her tail light go out. She couldn't get it out, so she took it to a garage. They couldn't get it out, so she called a dealer. She had to take it back to the dealer (and get charged confiscatory rates) in order to fix it. That oughta be criminal!

258 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:32:00am

re: #249 BabbaZee

Ah, thanks. I don't recall seeing that one rotate...

259 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:32:18am

re: #254 Lucius Septimius

Ditto, and my time in the academy has only confirmed my sensibilities.

Sometimes I think I went into my particular line of work so that I could be surrounded by people I don't agree with; same reason my paelocon uncle moved to Berkeley.

You must have a masochistic streak as wide as the Grand Canyon!

260 ec marm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:33:00am

re: #238 christheprofessor

I missed that. Can you please point me to it?

Starting with number 26:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

261 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:33:03am

re: #255 galloping granny

I have been conservative about some things and fairly liberal when it comes to others. I have always, however, been quite far to the right of what presents today as the "centrist" Democrat party and consider "liberal" Democrats to be nothing short of a pack of Communists.

We're going down England's road. The Republicans are becoming Democrats, and the Dems are becoming socialists.

262 Roger  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:33:30am

re: #257 christheprofessor

It goes to show which engineers/designers get a pat on the head.

263 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:33:37am

re: #244 BabbaZee

LOL. Would it be OK if I just served desert?

264 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:33:39am

re: #252 JamesTKirk

I just found out recently, that Uhura despised him!

265 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:34:01am

re: #259 galloping granny

You must have a masochistic streak as wide as the Grand Canyon!

No, I'm just a contrarian.

At a recent faculty meeting I was told to sit in the back because I'm a trouble-maker. Of course I was told this by the biggest trouble-maker of them all, the most senior member of the faculty, so it was an honor.

I'm an official member now of the Cranky Coalition.

266 opnion  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:34:02am

re: #182 yochanan

i disagree with hillary on a lot of things and would not vote for her but i do have a clue what she whould do if iran were to attack israel, OBAMA SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME, and even my non political wife who is mostly a democrat out of habit worries a lot about obama. She clearly isn't the only jewish voter out there with the same fears.

Good Morning all. Sadly., that is where we are. While .I believe that McCain is the less evil of the three lessers , the country may go Democrat.
Hillary is a wench with a pathological affinity for lying & greed as well as some pretty fa left ideas.
At the end of the day though , she is more main stream than Barry and she does not hate her country.
Obama to me on the other hand seems both incompetent & frightening.
There is nothing about him that he has ever said or written , that I know of,that expresses any allegiance to this country.
If you can judge a man by the company that he keeps, Barry has problems.

267 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:34:22am

Okay kids, off to the salt mines. Y'all have a great day!

268 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:34:29am

re: #261 bikermailman

We're going down England's road. The Republicans are becoming Democrats, and the Dems are becoming socialists.

bikermailman, the Dems have been socialists for quite some many years now. At least decades. They are becoming Communists, pure and simple, with the party faithful as the future Politburo.

269 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:34:46am

re: #267 bikermailman

Have fun with the saline.

270 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:35:04am

re: #230 sparrowlake

Good morning lizards.
As a relative newbie (just under 5 months) I was amazed yesterday to see the outpouring of affection for zombie and the amount of begging and beseeching that followed zombie's rather petulantly announced intention to temporarily withdraw from posting at LGF. This is a truly remarkable blog site.
I took zombie's main point (leaving aside the emotional and personal stuff) to be essentially a basic tactical question about how best to try to "convert" moonbats to the anti-Islamofascist cause. I think that was a valid issue to raise, and I would be interested to know:
1. Whether lizards think it is even possible that moonbats would be prepared to adopt the anti-Islamofascist cause; and,
2. If so, then whether lizards would welcome to LGF those modified moonbat "converts" who remained complete and utter moonbats in every other way except for their newfound anti-Islamofascism.

Sparrowlake, my experience with my fellow lizards is that in spite of the majority of them being pragmatic conservatives, they are genuinely nice understanding and compassionate people. I suspect that the vast majority of us would welcome the newly anti-jihadi moonbats with gentleness and compassion.

Yes we would attempt to teach them the errors of their moonbat ways, but I think other than occasionally reprimanding them for their outlandish and ridiculous moonbat ideas they would discover that lizards are genuinely decent caring people.

I know nothing of the thread you speak of regarding zombie, she is an incredible photo journalist and like myself I believe most lizards would be saddened to not have her around.

271 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:35:15am

re: #263 sparrowlake

LOL. Would it be OK if I just served desert?

It ain't up to me, and there are only two options available. Sadly, desert ain't one of 'em. Sorry!

;~}

272 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:35:21am

re: #264 rightside

I just found out recently, that Uhura despised him!

Most of them did, back then.

P.S. Khaaaan!

273 bikermailman  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:35:47am

re: #268 galloping granny

bikermailman, the Dems have been socialists for quite some many years now. At least decades. They are becoming Communists, pure and simple, with the party faithful as the future Politburo.

Well, in the open. The main point was, everyone is sliding to the left. The nanny state is here.

274 '  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:35:58am

re: #261 bikermailman

We're going down England's road. The Republicans are becoming Democrats, and the Dems are becoming socialists.

Australia is making a fair fist of it too.

275 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:36:07am

re: #265 Lucius Septimius


No, I'm just a contrarian.

{LUCIUS}

I'll make mince meat of your scared cows!

276 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:36:14am

re: #266 opnion


If you can judge a man by the company that he keeps, Barry has problems.

If you cannot judge a man by the company he keeps or the words out of his own mouth, there isn't much left, is there?

277 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:36:19am

re: #254 Lucius Septimius

Ditto, and my time in the academy has only confirmed my sensibilities.

Sometimes I think I went into my particular line of work so that I could be surrounded by people I don't agree with; same reason my paelocon uncle moved to Berkeley.

Agreed. I love discussing issues with my liberal colleagues as it is so easy to counter their inane positions (generally).

278 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:36:22am

re: #230 sparrowlake

I'm currently double-disillusioned with both sides of the political spectrum, actually. Only reason I'm hanging out here is probably because if I dissented from the "other" side's view on their forums, I'd end up psychologically shattered from whatever abuse might get thrown my way.

/not in the strongest of mental constitutions...

279 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:36:45am

re: #272 JamesTKirk

Ricardo Montalban es mas macho!

280 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:36:58am

re: #260 ec marm

Gracias, amigo (that's Floridian for, "Thank you, friend.").

281 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:37:37am

re: #272 JamesTKirk

Kharaoke?

282 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:38:43am

re: #277 christheprofessor

Agreed. I love discussing issues with my liberal colleagues as it is so easy to counter their inane positions (generally).

Stupidity and willful blindness annoy me beyond all belief. I admire your peseverance & fortitude.

283 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:39:25am

re: #278 laZardo

/not in the strongest of mental constitutions...

Take that back.

284 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:39:55am

re: #279 Lucius Septimius

Ricardo Montalban es mas macho!

Way more macho than the Next Generation...

285 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:40:14am

re: #277 christheprofessor

Agreed. I love discussing issues with my liberal colleagues as it is so easy to counter their inane positions (generally).

What gets me about my liberal colleagues is how superficial their judgments can be. When I had long hair, they assumed I had to be a liberal, because only liberals wear long hair. When I cut it, they decided I must have changed my political viewpoints. When it comes to teaching style, they assume that because I wear a coat and tie, I must lbe a boring ecturer and are surprised to hear that students find my classes "entertaining" -- obviously conservatives must be dull.

Amazing, really.

286 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:40:36am

re: #255 galloping granny

I have been conservative about some things and fairly liberal when it comes to others. I have always, however, been quite far to the right of what presents today as the "centrist" Democrat party and consider "liberal" Democrats to be nothing short of a pack of Communists.

There are a few liberal positions I can go along with. In general, though, I align more with traditional liberal (with is really more a contemporary conservative) positions. Hard core libs (i.e., the leftists or progressives) are truly the most illiberal people around.

287 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:40:38am
288 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:40:42am

re: #277 christheprofessor

Agreed. I love discussing issues with my liberal colleagues as it is so easy to counter their inane positions (generally).

I have to believe you are a rare minority amongst your colleagues?

289 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:41:11am

I knew a professor 25 years ago who warned me of this day.

290 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:41:36am

re: #283 BabbaZee

Hmm? I was talking about my mental constitution.

291 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:41:57am

re: #248 galloping granny

I would be very angry if I went to the store for cream and sugar and tasty flavorings and came to find that there was no coffee.

ROTFLMAO... I just cant find it in myself to be angry over that, a little annoyed yes, but angry never... re: #245 rightside

I'm laughing my ass off with JamesTKirks Khan pics! ROFL!

How are you?

I'm doing great this morning, watch out for that JamesTKirks, when he's not saving the universe he's trying to kill everyone with laughter...


re: #265 Lucius Septimius

No, I'm just a contrarian.

At a recent faculty meeting I was told to sit in the back because I'm a trouble-maker. Of course I was told this by the biggest trouble-maker of them all, the most senior member of the faculty, so it was an honor.

I'm an official member now of the Cranky Coalition.


Congratulations, nothing like a cranky old conservative professor...Sigh, I miss my cranky old conservative professors from collage...

292 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:42:03am

Hey, Babba! I was listening to my new ipod (finally!) yesterday when this song came on and reminded me of you...

As you say, believe in nothing and you will surely get it. LOTS of it.

293 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:42:17am

re: #285 Lucius Septimius

I thought liberals were non-judgmental?

294 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:42:40am

re: #272 JamesTKirk

Most of them did, back then.

P.S. Khaaaan!

From what I have heard it was all of them, even the ones who liked him....

295 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:43:26am

re: #291 doriangrey

I'm doing great this morning, watch out for that JamesTKirks, when he's not saving the universe he's trying to kill everyone with laughter...

Who, me?

296 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:43:36am

re: #262 Roger

It goes to show which engineers/designers get a pat on the head.

Yup. The independent dealers win, as they get to charge exorbitant hourly labor rates, and the manufacturer wins, as they get to sell you an entire assembly for $75 instead of you just buying a $0.25 bulb and putting it in at home. A fucking scam.

297 opnion  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:43:45am

re: #276 galloping granny

If you cannot judge a man by the company he keeps or the words out of his own mouth, there isn't much left, is there?

Yeah, but Barry's defenders keep screaming "Guilt through association"
That is valid only to a point. Barry is way outside of normal bounds in his associations. Twenty years at Trinity Church & I heard nuttin" come on

298 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:43:52am

They do not have a religious or political category for me

Or for Bobby Zimmerman either, for that matter.

LOL

299 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:44:08am

re: #290 laZardo

Hmm? I was talking about my mental constitution.

EXACTLY

Take that back
It is simply not true.

300 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:44:32am

re: #292 Grammy Cracker

I love it!

301 ec marm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:46:16am

re: #300 BabbaZee
sharm=bush_lover
right?

302 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:46:24am

re: #297 opnion

Yeah, but Barry's defenders keep screaming "Guilt through association"
That is valid only to a point. Barry is way outside of normal bounds in his associations. Twenty years at Trinity Church & I heard nuttin" come on

"Guilt by association" applies to the sober kid in the car full of drunken teenagers. In most states, he gets the same tickets & the same punishments as the rest.

303 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:46:44am

re: #278 laZardo

I'm currently double-disillusioned with both sides of the political spectrum, actually. Only reason I'm hanging out here is probably because if I dissented from the "other" side's view on their forums, I'd end up psychologically shattered from whatever abuse might get thrown my way.

/not in the strongest of mental constitutions...

Are you saying that you are basically a fragile shit-disturber?
Welcome to the club!

304 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:46:57am

re: #298 BabbaZee

They do not have a religious or political category for me

Or for Bobby Zimmerman either, for that matter.

LOL

How about this guy? ((BabbaZee))

305 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:47:12am

re: #295 JamesTKirk

LOL, I almost peed myself over the teeth brushing one!

306 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:48:01am

re: #295 JamesTKirk

Who, me?

ROTFLMAO... dont you have a universe to be saving?

307 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:48:08am
On April 19, 2008, Branch 13 of Tehran's Revolutionary Court sentenced Nasrin Afzali to 10 lashes and a six- month suspended prison sentence, in effect for two years. Afzali's lawyer, Mohammad Mostafaii, told the Meydaan website that during her trial on March 12, 2008, the judge issued his sentence although no evidence was presented relating to the charge of "disturbing the public order" brought against her. Security forces detained Afzali along with 32 other women on March 4, 2006, during a gathering of women's rights activists in support of five of their prosecuted colleagues.
The same court also sentenced another activist, Nahid Jaafari, to 10 lashes and a six- month suspended prison sentence on the same charges on April 21, 2008. Branch 16 of Tehran's Revolutionary Court sentenced Zeinab Peyghambarzadeh, a sociology student at Tehran University and women's rights activist, to a two- year suspended prison sentence on March 29, 2008. She was also suspended for two semesters from continuing her education by the university's Disciplinary Committee.

[Link: www.wluml.org...]

308 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:48:18am

re: #305 rightside

LOL, I almost peed myself over the teeth brushing one!

Khaaaan!

309 opnion  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:48:35am

Here is how I think moon bats should be handled .They were born Lizards,
'Charles Akbar!", and the need to "revert", convert back to their true nature.
If they do not do it willingly, then they must be forced with super wedgies

310 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:48:37am

re: #303 sparrowlake

Are you saying that you are basically a fragile shit-disturber?
Welcome to the club!


Take it back, both of you!

Neither of you are fragile, or weak minded.

As a man THINKS
so he IS

311 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:49:09am

re: #299 BabbaZee

That I'm not strong in mind? I've been diagnosed before, ya know.

re: #303 sparrowlake

Are you saying that you are basically a fragile shit-disturber?
Welcome to the club!

Not quite. ;)

/j/k

312 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:49:13am

re: #282 galloping granny

Stupidity and willful blindness annoy me beyond all belief. I admire your peseverance & fortitude.

Well, the ones I usually deal with just change the subject once cornered. I try to avoid the asshats who go ballistic when their little egos are wounded by being bested with facts, logic, and reason.

re: #288 rightside

Yes and no. I teach a technical subject, and there are relatively far fewer moonbats in the sciences or business schools. The real nests are the humanities (e.g., Womyn's Studies) and schools of indoctrination education.

313 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:49:27am
314 opnion  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:49:32am

re: #302 galloping granny

"Guilt by association" applies to the sober kid in the car full of drunken teenagers. In most states, he gets the same tickets & the same punishments as the rest.

Good example.

315 realwest  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:49:34am

Good Morning y'all - from a mild (54 degrees going up to 68 degrees) cloudy and probably rainy Charlotte!
I have to go out with Mom for several hours this morning and have to leave soon, but did want to drop by and say hello to y'all!

316 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:49:54am

re: #304 doriangrey

Him they got categories for

lol

317 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:50:12am

re: #313 storagemanager

I can't actually tell which side of the argument iranian.ws is on...

318 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:50:29am

re: #311 laZardo

That I'm not strong in mind? I've been diagnosed before, ya know.

I dont give a shit WHAT they said about you.
I am telling you not to believe them.

319 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:50:39am

re: #293 rightside

I thought liberals were non-judgmental?

Lefties are the most judgmental people on the planet in my experience, as well as some of the least self conscious.

Left-think corresponds nicely to what Gershom Scholem described as the "sectarian disposition": "the sect serves the illuminati as both a rallying point for their own kind and a refuge from the incomprehension of the carnal and unenlightened masses. The sectarians regard themselves as the vanguard of the new world, but they do not therefore need to renounce the parent religion [or political system, l.s.] which inspired them, for they can always reinterpret it in the light of the supreme reality to which they owe their newly discovered allegiance."
("Redemption through Sin," in Scholem, The Messianic Idea in Judaism)

320 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:50:41am

re: #310 BabbaZee

Take it back, both of you!

Neither of you are fragile, or weak minded.

As a man THINKS
so he IS

Ya, their about as fragile as the rock of Gibraltar....

321 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:50:46am

re: #308 JamesTKirk

LMFAO! I'm dying here, man!

322 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:51:18am

re: #306 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO... dont you have a universe to be saving?

I think the universe can take care of itself for a while...

[Link: img225.imageshack.us...]

323 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:51:37am

re: #315 realwest

Good Morning y'all - from a mild (54 degrees going up to 68 degrees) cloudy and probably rainy Charlotte!
I have to go out with Mom for several hours this morning and have to leave soon, but did want to drop by and say hello to y'all!

Good morning realwest, hope you are feeling well this morning....

324 Shug  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:51:54am

The Ben Stein thread just crashed my computer

I hadn't tried to read it before, but I heard it was crazy

325 yochanan  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:52:24am

re: #241 galloping granny

Sparrowlake, once you've hung around a while you will discover that many of us - perhaps most - were once moonbats ourselves. Transformation from moonbat to sanity is an individual process. No, of course moonbats are not prepared to adopt the anti-jihadi cause. If they were they would not be moonbats.

THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WE ALL AGREE ON AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE DON'T.

problems start when we go off the road of agreement we are all anti islamist and pro america on the islamo fascist war, i would be willing to bet that on most other issues we have many differences which we should understand it is not by accident that religion, abortion and other social issues do cause many fights as there are offen very different view points.

It is not by accident that Charles has never had a abortion thread. on some issues we really should understand that there are real differences religion and all the issues that come with it is very personal and are deeply held. What one agrees with others will not agree with.

It is better to say away from such issues i think.

326 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:52:48am

re: #324 Shug


Yawn at this point

327 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:52:55am

re: #318 BabbaZee

I don't know who to believe anymore. Not God or the moonbats. The only person I can really believe is myself when it comes right down to it. At least the people around here tend to make more sense than others, and above all don't react as violently.

328 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:52:55am

re: #317 laZardo

I can't actually tell which side of the argument iranian.ws is on...

They are for human rights in Iran...why would that be hard to understand?

329 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:53:17am

re: #320 doriangrey

Ya, their about as fragile as the rock of Gibraltar....

AMEN

Fucking shrinks.

I could [REDACTED]

330 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:53:17am

re: #315 realwest

Hey Real. Going to get out and enjoy the beautiful day?

331 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:53:22am

re: #324 Shug

The Ben Stein thread just crashed my computer

I hadn't tried to read it before, but I heard it was crazy

I haven't touched that one, since I know what it would do to my computer...

332 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:53:48am

re: #327 laZardo

Believe this:

What I see in you SHINES.

333 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:53:51am

re: #316 BabbaZee

Him they got categories for

lol

Yes, I suspect he was who Barry Obambanation was referring to when he spoke of people clinging to their religion and guns...

334 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:53:54am

Morning everyone from a foggy (but getting sunny) NYC...

PA Lizards, get out there and vote, I guess... I'm not really on board with the whole vote Hillary and keep the mess going thing... I guess I see more vulnerabilities in Obama than I do in Hillary...

Heard Obama joking last night on The Daily Show that he won't enslave White Americans. Thank goodness... Of course, the Daily Show is where the majority of the 18-34 crowd get their news and information so Obama is good to vote for then? Awesome!

335 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:54:38am
336 realwest  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:54:47am

re: #323 doriangrey Hey dorian! Yeah I'm doing ok today - still not fully awake yet though.
Fortunately I don't have to drive this morning!

337 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:55:05am

re: #333 doriangrey

Yes, I suspect he was who Barry Obambanation was referring to when he spoke of people clinging to their religion and guns...

LOL

Kill' em
Chill 'em
and
Grill 'em!

338 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:55:07am

Well this lizard has to head off to work again, damn I could of sworn I did that just yesterday....

339 realwest  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:55:11am

YO BABBA!

340 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:55:21am

re: #310 BabbaZee

Take it back, both of you!

Neither of you are fragile, or weak minded.

As a man THINKS
so he IS

Taketh a pilleth, {Babbaleh}.
I am just exercisin' my sensitive feminine bitch side. LOL.

341 akak  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:55:26am

I had a feeling jihadi's were involved/behind the rioting in Montreal, sure enough first place I looked ...jihadi's flamin.

342 doriangrey  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:55:45am

re: #337 BabbaZee

LOL

Kill' em
Chill 'em
and
Grill 'em!

Ya cant grill it till ya kill it....

343 realwest  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:55:46am

And that's all for now folks, gotta run, hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get to see you down the road!

344 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:56:22am

re: #327 laZardo

I found this song for you.

You're one of a kind.....

345 opnion  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:56:38am

re: #293 rightside

I thought liberals were non-judgmental?

I had lunch with a business associate yesterday. He like I, has a moonbat infestation in his extended family.
We got kinda snarky & swapped stories about our family Liberals.It was real one upsmanship.
The one thing that we both came to, is how angry they are all of the time and feel a need to inject politics even when it is really inappropriate.
Also how when they are losing, they default to the smug, smirk.

346 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:57:26am
One of the questioners asked about the theory that has circulated in the Middle East and elsewhere that Israel was behind the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Al-Zawahri accused Hezbollah's Al-Manar television of starting the rumor.

"The purpose of this lie is clear — (to suggest) that there are no heroes among the Sunnis who can hurt America as no else did in history. Iranian media snapped up this lie and repeated it," he said.


[Link: www.weaselzippers.net...]

347 opnion  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:57:35am

re: #324 Shug

The Ben Stein thread just crashed my computer

I hadn't tried to read it before, but I heard it was crazy

Yup,the postings got really wild.

348 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:57:39am

re: #319 Lucius Septimius

Lefties are the most judgmental people on the planet in my experience, as well as some of the least self conscious.

I think that's a key element of why they're really that way. How can you preach tolerance and inclusion as your mantra, but be totally oblivous to their own hypocrisy?

349 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:57:42am

re: #328 storagemanager
They seem more toward non-violence, is what I was noticing.

/then again, when the mullah's regime is pretty much the embodiment of a religious right-wing, it can only go left from there...center included.

re: #332 BabbaZee

Have you been spying on me in the restrooms? Sheesh. (;

350 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:58:45am

re: #332 BabbaZee

And you know what "light bearer" usually translates to...

351 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:58:48am

re: #285 Lucius Septimius

What gets me about my liberal colleagues is how superficial their judgments can be. When I had long hair, they assumed I had to be a liberal, because only liberals wear long hair. When I cut it, they decided I must have changed my political viewpoints. When it comes to teaching style, they assume that because I wear a coat and tie, I must lbe a boring ecturer and are surprised to hear that students find my classes "entertaining" -- obviously conservatives must be dull.

Amazing, really.

So true. What is striking is that is the same type of superficial judgment that students make (what does that say about liberal profs?). I used to wear a coat and tie (not anymore, though) and at the beginning the semester, going over my rather lengthy syllabus, students were mucho intimidated. I had one tell me after a class was over that he knew on the first day I was gonna be an ass of a prof and that he was wrong (I was fun but still demanding, which good students don't mind at all).

352 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:59:03am

If I believed what shrinks and doctors said about me my whole life I would have died a madwoman in 1998 when I was informed in Sloan Kettering that all terminal patients receive a visit from a psychiatric professional.

To which I said: Get the fuck out of my room.

They are baffled by my continued existence.

Although they still think I am nuts.
And I am proud of that,
if they fucking deemed me sane
I would worry about me.

Eat me, Dr. Fraud

353 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:59:10am

re: #331 JamesTKirk

I haven't touched that one, since I know what it would do to my computer...

But at least I don't have to deal with this...

354 beblebrox  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 5:59:32am

Good morning, from a small town, gun owning, not really bitter, Pennsylvanian!

355 opnion  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:00:06am

re: #351 christheprofessor

So true. What is striking is that is the same type of superficial judgment that students make (what does that say about liberal profs?). I used to wear a coat and tie (not anymore, though) and at the beginning the semester, going over my rather lengthy syllabus, students were mucho intimidated. I had one tell me after a class was over that he knew on the first day I was gonna be an ass of a prof and that he was wrong (I was fun but still demanding, which good students don't mind at all).

Hey a Lib is a nerd trying to be hip.

356 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:00:13am

re: #340 sparrowlake

Words make Worlds

It is my thing.
I have to point it out.

What you say .....

what you think ...

is what you become.

Speech is like a magic fucking spell and people have no idea the power of it.

357 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:00:18am

Morning real!

How are you?

358 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:00:44am

re: #311 laZardo

That I'm not strong in mind? I've been diagnosed before, ya know.

re: #303 sparrowlake


Not quite. ;)

/j/k

I mean fragile in the best sense of the word, like fine china.
And I mean shit-disturber.

359 Shug  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:00:56am

re: #352 BabbaZee

If I believed what shrinks and doctors said about me my whole life I would have died a madwoman in 1998 when I was informed in Sloan Kettering that all terminal patients receive a visit from a psychiatric professional.

To which I said: Get the fuck out of my room.

They are baffled by my continued existence.

Although they still think I am nuts.
And I am proud of that,
if they fucking deemed me sane
I would worry about me.

Eat me, Dr. Fraud


Their pain, our gain.

360 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:00:56am

re: #350 laZardo

And you know what "light bearer" usually translates to...

And why do you think that is?

361 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:01:09am

re: #359 Shug

{shug}

362 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:01:27am

re: #350 laZardo

And you know what "light bearer" usually translates to...

[Link: img228.imageshack.us...]

363 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:03:37am

re: #356 BabbaZee

Speech is like a magic fucking spell and people have no idea the power of it.

Verbal Viagra?

364 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:04:29am
365 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:04:44am

re: #363 Lucius Septimius

Speech is like a magic fucking spell and people have no idea the power of it.

Verbal Viagra?

At least.

LOL

366 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:05:02am

re: #362 JamesTKirk

[Link: img228.imageshack.us...]

AHHHHHHHHH

rotf

367 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:05:22am

re: #360 BabbaZee

Mainly because when it comes right down to it, morality's all just relative. It explains why stoning women is perfectly fine in some of the seedier parts of the world whereas we cringe at the thought of doing so here.

re: #362 JamesTKirk

Oh.

368 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:06:16am

re: #355 opnion

Hey a Lib is a nerd trying to be hip.

Not bad. I may have to "borrow" that one...

369 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:06:28am

re: #367 laZardo

It is not relative.
It is absolute.

The problem is people have been taught it is relative.

370 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:06:42am

Oh and by the way, Happy Earth Day everyone!

Prepare to be BOMBARDED with pro-Climate Change propaganda...

371 Shug  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:07:41am

re: #364 BabbaZee

Speaking of WORDS making WORLDS


New State Department lexicon forbids use of the words "jihad" or "jihadist"

car bombs and 767's flown by non-jihadists may break my bones but names will never hurt me

372 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:07:56am

re: #364 BabbaZee

Speaking of WORDS making WORLDS


New State Department lexicon forbids use of the words "jihad" or "jihadist"

Oh for the love of.....

I used to have great admiration for that woman - until she stuck her head up her behind and left it there.

/GACK!

373 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:08:17am

re: #370 tfc3rid

Yahoo, HBO, Google and YouTube all went "green" today.

Though if you click my username and go to the "journal" section, you'll find my special thoughts on the matter. (:

374 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:08:19am
HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) - Zimbabwe church leaders say people are being tortured, abducted and murdered in a Mugabe-driven campaign of political retribution. The leaders of all church denominations in Zimbabwe issued a joint statement Tuesday calling for international intervention to help end the country's election crisis. They say "the nation is in a crisis" that could escalate to genocidal proportions if nothing is done ...

[Link: patdollard.com...]

375 opnion  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:08:27am

Hillary put out an ad at the last minute, before the PA.primary with images of Osama,.She is trying to contrast her toughness vis a vis Barry being a wuss.
You know Barry's campaign will scream that it is sleazy at the last minute.
Hey, "I'm a Lizard & I approve this ad."

376 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:08:32am

re: #366 BabbaZee

AHHHHHHHHH

rotf

Of course, we know the truth...

/

377 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:09:09am
378 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:09:32am

re: #376 JamesTKirk

too funny

379 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:09:45am

re: #364 BabbaZee

Speaking of WORDS making WORLDS


New State Department lexicon forbids use of the words "jihad" or "jihadist"

When are they going to outlaw the use of the words: "United", "States", and "America"?

380 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:10:28am
381 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:10:37am

re: #379 Nevergiveup

When are they going to outlaw the use of the words: "United", "States", and "America"?

Exactly.

382 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:10:41am

I can think of a whole lot of other terms I'd use for Jihadists, but I'll bet those wouldn't fly at State either.

383 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:11:01am

re: #369 BabbaZee

The only thing absolute is that we're all just out to gain influence over each other through our own definitions of so-called "morality." Like you said, words make worlds.

384 Shug  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:11:32am

re: #382 JamesTKirk

I can think of a whole lot of other terms I'd use for Jihadists, but I'll bet those wouldn't fly at State either.


Islam means Peace

--dubya

385 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:12:17am

re: #380 BabbaZee

I was fooled too. Till shortly after I voted for GWB in 2004.

That makes two of us. At least.

386 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:12:47am

re: #377 BabbaZee

I got a WORD!
in mah MOUTH!

Just. Damn.

387 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:12:51am

re: #382 JamesTKirk

I can think of a whole lot of other terms I'd use for Jihadists, but I'll bet those wouldn't fly at State either.

They only use THOSE terms when referring to the only democracy in the Middle East.

388 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:13:12am

re: #380 BabbaZee

YYYYEEEEEAAAAHHHHH

389 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:14:13am

re: #383 laZardo

Son, there are 613 mitzvot, ten commandments, and seven Noahide laws.

All you need do is stick to the seven.
There's your absolutes right there.

He didn't write the ten in STONE because they were flexible.

390 rwmofo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:15:07am

CNN Hires Tony Snow.

Check out the comments. Blood vessels are a-poppin'. Heh heh.

391 ec marm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:15:24am

re: #364 BabbaZee

(State Department-draft) Osama Bin Laden and his fellow jihadists peaceful internal struggler's today took credit for the explosion of a non-nuclear dirty bomb on the streets of Washington D.C.

"We bring our jihad peaceful internal struggle to the streets of your Capitol," Bin Laden said.

392 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:15:42am

re: #389 BabbaZee

How you people manage to follow 623 rules is beyond me...

393 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:16:22am

re: #391 ec marm

check yer mail

394 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:16:36am

re: #390 rwmofo

CNN Hires Tony Snow.

Check out the comments. Blood vessels are a-poppin'. Heh heh.

And yet, no one batted an eye when George Stephanopwopbopolopolus was hired...

395 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:16:36am

re: #390 rwmofo

It's the reason MSM trust has dropped. We think it's too left-wing, and unfortunately for them, they think it's too right-wing for them. 'Specially "Faux" News.

396 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:16:43am

Palestinian rocket wounds Israeli child; aid continues to flow into Gaza


Palestinian forces operating out of the Gaza Strip on Monday fired at least nine rockets and mortar shells at communities in southern Israel, wounding a four-year-old Israeli boy and damaging a number of homes.

The wounded child suffered light injuries after a piece of shrapnel from one of the rockets slammed into his family's vehicle as they arrived back at their southern Israel home after a weekend vacation to the north of the country.

Also Monday, Palestinians in Samaria firebombed a Jewish motorist traveling on a local highway. No injuries were reported in that attack.

Israeli forces foiled an apparent assault on Gaza's Erez Crossing late Monday evening, killing three Hamas gunmen as they approached the terminal.

The violence continued on Tuesday when at least one missile fired from northern Gaza hit the southern industrial zone of the Israeli coastal city of Ashkelon.

Despite the ongoing violence emanating from Gaza, Israel on Tuesday opened two crossings into the volatile coastal strip, one of them the aforementioned Erez Crossing, to allow 86 trucks transporting humanitarian aid to enter.

Meanwhile Dhimmi Carter says..


Former President Jimmy Carter dramatically reassured a packed crowd of diplomats and reporters that Hamas had asked him to communicate to the people of Israel that Hamas would now recognize the Jewish state and live at peace with Israel if a peace agreement were to assure that the Palestinian state would be established only in the areas taken by Israel in the 1967 war.

Peace in our time.

397 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:17:05am

re: #392 laZardo

How you people manage to follow 623 rules is beyond me...

613

and I don't

my personal feeling is it is entirely unnecessary to do so

but I admire them none the less

398 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:17:35am

re: #392 laZardo

How you people manage to follow 623 rules is beyond me...

We had to comply with several zillion laws, regulations, and footnotes just to file our taxes. 623 is child's play.

399 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:17:54am

re: #386 Lucius Septimius

He's The Black Hagee. LOL

400 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:18:05am

re: #397 BabbaZee

613 + 7 Noahite + 10 Commandments. :P

/addition, dammit!

401 Shug  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:18:09am

re: #396 NJDhockeyfan

Palestinian rocket wounds Israeli child; aid continues to flow into Gaza

Peace in our time.

COEXIST!

402 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:18:45am

re: #400 laZardo

613 + 7 Noahite + 10 Commandments. :P

/addition, dammit!

The 613 cover the ten
and the 7 are contained in the ten

403 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:18:58am

re: #400 laZardo

PIMF, that makes it 630.

/like I said, not the strongest of minds.

404 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:19:53am

re: #403 laZardo

/like I said, not the strongest of minds.


Keep it up, wiseass.
Why don't you just hit yourself in the head with a rock now and get it over with?

405 yochanan  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:20:00am

i would not call my self a liberal on social issues but more a 'libertarian' on social issues were a religious social cons. would disagree with me but so would the social liberal as i don't think it is the gov't job to enforce any of my social values. Religious values should only apply to followers of that religion and i reject being force to accept values of a religious group i am not a part of. I may freely accept those values of my own religious group. I don't believe in forcing mine on non believes. Nor do i think the state should be put in that position either.

An example i don't give a tinkers damn about polgamy as long as it is between consenting aduilts marriage is a social contract and a contract can only be between people who can legally enter into a contract a minor can't do that. The moral opasition to polgamy is based upon christian moral values and other religions have different values on this issue. So why should christanity have the right to enforce its values upon non belivers?

406 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:20:10am

re: #394 JamesTKirk

And yet, no one batted an eye when George Stephanopwopbopolopolus was hired...

Yup. And I trust Tony Snow to be far more objective, or at least open about his conservative bent, than George Stuffanoctopus ever is or was. Hell, the only reason Georgie-boy went after Barack at the debate is that he is still, and will always be, a Clinton stooge/labdog...

407 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:20:31am

re: #401 Shug

COEXIST!

It's the fault of the evil Joos! That rocket was sent in peace, and the eeevvvviiiiilllll Joos put that child under it in an attempt to further their goal of global domination!

408 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:21:59am

re: #404 BabbaZee

Lemme just find one that's big enough. (:

re: #407 Grammy Cracker

Those poor, technically Israeli Palestinian kids!

409 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:22:37am

re: #390 rwmofo

I thought most of them wished him dead?

410 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:23:15am

re: #401 Shug

COEXIST!

Y'know, I could deal with those inane bumperstickers if the second to last letter was a $.

411 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:23:30am
412 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:24:28am

re: #410 Lucius Septimius

Y'know, I could deal with those inane bumperstickers if the second to last letter was a $.

As I've said before, I could deal with that bumper sticker if I just cut of the "CO" (consisting of the Islamic crescent and the moonbattish peace sign). I'd love to "EXIST" without those two groups. (It would be a lot easier, in fact!)

413 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:25:09am
414 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:25:33am

re: #412 JamesTKirk

As I've said before, I could deal with that bumper sticker if I just cut of the "CO" (consisting of the Islamic crescent and the moonbattish peace sign). I'd love to "EXIST" without those two groups. (It would be a lot easier, in fact!)

CO = Carbon Monoxide. Yep, it would be a lot easier to exist without that.

415 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:25:47am

re: #411 BabbaZee

We all eventually die. :P Old age, heart or terrorist attack, etc. It's how life goes, and I'll just deal with it when it comes inevitably.

416 faraway  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:26:22am

I, too, saw the strange lights above Florida.

And I very clearly heard a voice say "Hope and Change".

Then they said "We are what we've been waiting for"

Then they said, your Messiah is here with you.

417 Shug  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:27:19am

re: #416 faraway

I, too, saw the strange lights above Florida.

And I very clearly heard a voice say "Hope and Change".

Then they said "We are what we've been waiting for"

Then they said, your Messiah is here with you.

swamp gas

418 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:27:39am

re: #416 faraway

I, too, saw the strange lights above Florida.

And I very clearly heard a voice say "Hope and Change".

Then they said "We are what we've been waiting for"

Then they said, your Messiah is here with you.

"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy."

419 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:27:47am

re: #417 Shug

swamp gas

Cow farts.

420 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:28:26am

re: #418 JamesTKirk

"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy."

Oops! I forgot that scene got nsfw when Judith appears. Sorry.

421 Shug  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:28:44am
422 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:28:48am

re: #413 JamesTKirk

I choose cake.

THE CAKE IS A LIE.

/mmm, internet memes

423 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:29:05am

re: #390 rwmofo

CNN Hires Tony Snow.

Check out the comments. Blood vessels are a-poppin'. Heh heh.


Ohh, I love the "thank God for C-span" one. That person doesn't have a life. I'd rather watch spackling dry...

424 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:29:20am

re: #422 laZardo

THE CAKE IS A LIE.

/mmm, internet memes

I love that song.

426 loppyd  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:31:13am

Good Morning Lizard Nation!

Operation Chaos has commenced in PA.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

427 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:31:55am
428 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:31:57am

Off to my earnest labors. Have a splendid spring day, all.

429 Bloodnok  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:32:44am

re: #426 loppyd

Good Morning Lizard Nation!

Operation Chaos has commenced in PA.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

mornin'...How is the North Shore this AM?

430 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:33:01am

re: #419 Lucius Septimius

re: #417 Shug
re: #416 faraway
I, too, saw the strange lights above Florida. And I very clearly heard a voice say "Hope and Change". Then they said "We are what we've been waiting for" Then they said, your Messiah is here with you.

swamp gas

Cow farts.

You question the divinity of the Messiah? BLASPHEMY!

431 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:33:16am
432 Shug  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:33:47am

re: #430 JamesTKirk


behead those who insult swamp gas

433 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:33:54am

re: #431 BabbaZee

Cut the Cake!

Better than cutting the cheese...

434 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:33:57am

re: #426 loppyd

Morning loppy

435 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:33:58am

re: #416 faraway

Change is the Hopium of the Asses

436 Roger  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:34:07am

re: #415 laZardo

But not all die the second death

437 chief long name  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:34:23am

re: #352 BabbaZee

I aint baffled.

YO WOMAN!

438 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:34:26am

Good Morning all. How long until PA is said to be 'not a big deal' despite weeks of buildup?

439 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:34:52am

re: #426 loppyd

Saw THIS on CNN earlier.

/much ROFLing.

440 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:35:07am

re: #436 Roger

But not all die the second death



BAM!

441 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:35:32am
THERE ARE two reasons that a deterrence model will be as ineffective in curbing Iranian aggression as Obama's appeasement model. First, as last week's 25th anniversary of the Iranian-sponsored bombing of the US embassy in Beirut recalled, Iran has been attacking the US and its allies both directly and through proxies since 1979. To date, not only has the US failed to deter such attacks, it has never made Iran pay a price for them. With this abysmal track record against a non-nuclear Iran, it is hard to see how the US can threaten a nuclear-armed Iran with sufficient credibility to make a deterrence-based strategy successful.

The second reason that basing US policy towards Iran on a deterrence model will likely fail is because Iran's leadership has made clear that is not necessarily concerned about the survivability of Iran. From Ayatollah Khomeini to Ayatollah Khamenei to Ali Rafsanjani to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran's leadership has made clear that they are not Iranian patriots but global Islamic revolutionaries. Given their millenarian, apocalyptic view of their country's purpose in world affairs, there is good reason to believe that a strategy based on some form of mutually assured destruction would have only marginal impact on Iran's decision-makers

[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]

442 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:36:02am

re: #437 chief long name

{MineChief}

443 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:36:13am

re: #422 laZardo

THE CAKE IS A LIE.

/mmm, internet memes

Borg Companion Cube

444 Shug  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:36:29am

re: #438 LanceKates

Good Morning all. How long until PA is said to be 'not a big deal' despite weeks of buildup?

Count every vote!

/

445 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:36:44am

re: #440 BabbaZee

re: #436 Roger

If there had to be a final death, it has to be when nobody else remembers who you were.

446 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:37:15am

re: #445 laZardo

I don't understand what you are trying to say with this

447 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:37:17am

re: #436 Roger

But not all die the second death

“A coward dies a thousand deaths, a hero only one.”
-Bill Shakespeare

448 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:37:54am

re: #444 Shug

Count every vote!

/

Unless they're a republican who is voting for hillary...

/

449 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:38:02am
450 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:38:04am
451 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:38:33am

Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
~ Revelation 20:6

452 loppyd  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:38:36am

re: #429 Bloodnok

mornin'...How is the North Shore this AM?

Good Morning!

Beautiful day here.

How's by you?

453 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:39:22am

re: #446 BabbaZee

Since we're all pretty much fucked after we pass on, and recognizing full well that you can't take what you have with you on earth after you die, the best thing to do is to metaphorically pay it forward.

/since it's not really the "good" things you'll ever get back anyway.

454 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:39:34am

Shalom Major Bloodnok

Spin a few, will ya?

455 Shug  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:40:02am

re: #450 taxfreekiller


so what you are saying is that the Snow job from the global warming alarmists has stiff competition from the snow ?

456 loppyd  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:40:30am

re: #434 rightside

Morning loppy

Morning righty!

457 loppyd  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:41:06am

re: #439 laZardo

Saw THIS on CNN earlier.

/much ROFLing.

They made Hillary way too skinny and Obama way too buff.

458 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:41:19am

re: #455 Shug

so what you are saying is that the Snow job from the global warming alarmists has stiff competition from the snow ?

speaking of Snow, didn't Tony Snow jump on the Global Warming bandwagon?

459 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:41:33am
460 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:41:42am

Reading Hitchen's latest in Slate.

Came across this:

Here's a clear-cut case of solidarity and internationalism in which the laboring class of one country affirms the rights—"concretely" affirms the rights, as we used to say—of its brothers and sisters in another country. In doing so, it improves the chances of democracy worldwide. This is how socialism began, with Karl Marx and his allies organizing a boycott of Confederate slave-harvested cotton during the American Civil War

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Confederate cotton industry grind to a halt during the Civil War, which led to the rise of Egyptian cotton to take it's place?

AND BOKER EFFEN TOV TO YOU!

461 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:42:42am

re: #453 laZardo

Exactly why you walk in the way,
cause you can't take it with ya.

for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.


Cute movies about paying things forward ?

Bullshit to live by!

462 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:42:42am
ALBANY, N.Y. - A postal worker is credited with saving a 1-year-old girl’s life by catching her after she fell out of a second-story window in Albany, N.Y.

Lisa Harrell was delivering mail to a home late Monday morning when she noticed a baby in a window above the front door. Harrell said the next thing she knew, the baby had fallen into her arms.

When the baby’s mother realized what happened, she ran outside and grabbed the girl from Harrell. The woman thanked Harrell and then ran down the street to her mother’s house.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

463 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:42:58am
464 Roger  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:42:58am

re: #453 laZardo

Who's the we? Ya got a mouse in yer pocket?

465 Shug  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:43:11am

I only hope al gore lives long enough to experience the coming ice age

466 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:43:14am

re: #464 Roger

Who's the we? Ya got a mouse in yer pocket?

lol

467 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:43:16am

re: #457 loppyd

I can't find the rest of the video-game match though. Just the fail-tastic IRL imitators.

468 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:44:02am

re: #464 Roger

Yes, and here it-

Oh. Shouldn't have sat down like that.

/LOL.

469 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:44:15am

PA People, help me out.

THis morning FOX had a report from what it said was a polling place.

There were a decent number of people waving Hillary signs and chanting, and had been ther for some time already.

Now, I always thought such things were not allowed at polling places... is PA different in that regard?

470 Roger  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:44:37am

re: #468 laZardo

lol! Good one!

471 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:44:38am
472 Guy_Philly  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:45:58am

I am feeling a little guilty today. I am not in my home state of PA and did not get an absentee ballot to do my civic duty there today. that WON'T happen in November though!

473 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:46:00am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that Zawahiri's getting a wee bit touchy over who carried out the 9/11 jihad attacks murdering nearly 3,000 people and blames Iran for spreading rumors that someone other than al Qaeda was behind the 9/11 attacks.

474 loppyd  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:46:51am

re: #460 Ben Hur

BEN HUR!

475 loppyd  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:47:49am

re: #471 BabbaZee

YO Loppy!

{Babbazeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee}

476 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:47:53am

WHYY's Susan Phillips Interviews President Bill Clinton

Bill saying that Barry's playin the race card.

Then, at the very end, you can just make out Bill asking someone, " I don't think I can expect any shit from anybody about this do you?"

477 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:48:27am

re: #474 loppyd


What's shakin?

478 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:48:39am

re: #449 laZardo

The Cube Approves.

[Link: img518.imageshack.us...]

479 Irene NYC  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:49:13am

BabbaZee,

One day we'll have to swap Sloan Kettering stories. Talk about insulting.

/I knew there was a reason I liked you.

480 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:49:30am

re: #472 Guy_Philly

I am feeling a little guilty today. I am not in my home state of PA and did not get an absentee ballot to do my civic duty there today. that WON'T happen in November though!

if you're voting republican, I don't know that you really have a choice.

481 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:49:43am

re: #478 JamesTKirk

I found a fuller version by a person called "Moony" once, I still have to get myself to assemble it.

482 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:49:58am

Good morning all.

483 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:50:03am

TFK

It's the whole Gramscian point of changing GLOBAL WARMING to

"Climate Change"

so they can claim the Right Wing Snow is also the fault of the gaseous emissions copiously issuing forth from the anuses of bitter bible thumping gun toting Jesus freaks and their all powerful Jewish counterparts.

484 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:50:24am

re: #473 lawhawk

Yet the Democrats still won't hold them accountable.

They're still stuck on blaming the United States

485 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:50:28am

re: #481 laZardo

I found a fuller version by a person called "Moony" once, I still have to get myself to assemble it.

A while back, I saw someone online who was selling handmade plush versions (in a variety of sizes).

486 Bloodnok  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:51:16am

re: #452 loppyd

Good Morning!

Beautiful day here.

How's by you?

I'm good! It's a nice day here in Boston, too (whoodathunkit?! lol).

487 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:51:20am

re: #479 Irene NYC

BabbaZee,

One day we'll have to swap Sloan Kettering stories. Talk about insulting.

/I knew there was a reason I liked you.

{IRENE!}
Mah sistah!

488 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:51:26am

re: #473 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that Zawahiri's getting a wee bit touchy over who carried out the 9/11 jihad peaceful freedom fighter attacks murdering nearly 3,000 people and blames Iran for spreading rumors that someone other than al Qaeda was behind the 9/11 attacks.

Edited by order of the Secretary of State.

/State of denial!

489 loppyd  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:52:37am

re: #477 Ben Hur

What's shakin?

my barometer of course.

490 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:52:40am

'I infected 1500 girls with AIDS'

Bo biggie, though.

The activists and MSM assure me that life is normal with AIDS and there's nothing to worry about.

491 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:53:09am

re: #469 LanceKates

PA People, help me out.

THis morning FOX had a report from what it said was a polling place.

There were a decent number of people waving Hillary signs and chanting, and had been ther for some time already.

Now, I always thought such things were not allowed at polling places... is PA different in that regard?

Do they have the same 100ft rule in PA as here in TX? That is, no signs, campaigners, etc., within 100ft of the polling place entrance.

492 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:53:12am

re: #460 Ben Hur

Reading Hitchen's latest in Slate.

Came across this:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Confederate cotton industry grind to a halt during the Civil War, which led to the rise of Egyptian cotton to take it's place?

AND BOKER EFFEN TOV TO YOU!

Certainly not immediately. Confederate cotten was carried by the blockade runners on the way out and was much in demand in England, which supported the Confederacy at least initially.

That the cotton industry died back was not so much do to a boycott by Karl Marx or anyone else (remember that at the time most of the world's cotton fabric was produced in either England or New England here in the US) but rather a lack of people to raise the cotton, destruction of cropland and the total collapse of the economy in the South, making it impossible for farmers to raise the funds needed to plant large crops.

Southern cotton never entirely died out however, and was still a going concern at least as recently as WWII , as was Pima cotton, grown by the Pima tribe in Arizona. Cotton in fairly large amounts was still being raised in North Carolina in the 60's. The primacy of Egyptian cotton is pretty new and they seem to have recently been supplanted by cotton from Pakistan.

493 Guy_Philly  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:53:17am

re: #469 LanceKates

PA People, help me out.

THis morning FOX had a report from what it said was a polling place.

There were a decent number of people waving Hillary signs and chanting, and had been ther for some time already.

Now, I always thought such things were not allowed at polling places... is PA different in that regard?

Yer allowed to do all that outside the polling place.

494 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:53:20am

re: #481 laZardo

I found a fuller version by a person called "Moony" once, I still have to get myself to assemble it.

Yeah, I have that one too. Haven't made it yet either.

495 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:53:40am

re: #489 loppyd

my barometer of course.

That's what I like to hear!

496 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:54:16am

re: #469 LanceKates

PA People, help me out.

THis morning FOX had a report from what it said was a polling place.

There were a decent number of people waving Hillary signs and chanting, and had been ther for some time already.

Now, I always thought such things were not allowed at polling places... is PA different in that regard?

Don't know about PA but it is allowed in NH as long as you stay a certain number of feet away.

497 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:54:26am

re: #488 Grammy Cracker

State of Insanity

498 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:54:51am

re: #491 Ward Cleaver

Do they have the same 100ft rule in PA as here in TX? That is, no signs, campaigners, etc., within 100ft of the polling place entrance.

if so, they were openly violating it. THey were by the doors, and wer spread along the property chanting.

499 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:55:14am

re: #493 Guy_Philly

Yer allowed to do all that outside the polling place.

Just for the primaries? or in the general election as well?

500 Sizzlack  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:55:21am

I am SICK of Obama supporters constantly crying foul when people try to raise the issue of his character. They always say "well lets talk about the issues that face the voters, just ignore his personal side". Are you freakin kidding me? So if we put Charles Manson up for POTUS...would it be wrong to ask him about his past and his friends? If Manson said no no lets talk about the issues that face the voters...we're simply supposed to just ignore his personal side? This is so beyond pathetic.

501 looking closely  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:55:55am

re: #406 christheprofessor

Yup. And I trust Tony Snow to be far more objective, or at least open about his conservative bent, than George Stuffanoctopus ever is or was. Hell, the only reason Georgie-boy went after Barack at the debate is that he is still, and will always be, a Clinton stooge/labdog...

You know, you'd think individuals who are literally auditioning to be leaders of the free world *might* be able to tolerate a few pointed questions from people they don't necessarily agree with ideologically.

If they can't do that, how on earth are they supposed to be President?

502 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:56:07am
503 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:56:18am

re: #496 galloping granny

Don't know about PA but it is allowed in NH as long as you stay a certain number of feet away.

Yep. Although I didn't get in any trouble for wearing my "Republicans for Voldemort" t-shirt into the polling place.

504 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:56:23am

re: #491 Ward Cleaver

Do they have the same 100ft rule in PA as here in TX? That is, no signs, campaigners, etc., within 100ft of the polling place entrance.

We have the same law in Michigan. I used to walk it off and mark the sidewalks or post signs so no one could claim ignorance. NO CAMPAIGNING BEYOND THIS POINT. Like that.

/some still did it. Imagine that!

505 looking closely  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:57:01am

re: #500 Sizzlack

I am SICK of Obama supporters constantly crying foul when people try to raise the issue of his character. They always say "well lets talk about the issues that face the voters, just ignore his personal side". Are you freakin kidding me? So if we put Charles Manson up for POTUS...would it be wrong to ask him about his past and his friends? If Manson said no no lets talk about the issues that face the voters...we're simply supposed to just ignore his personal side? This is so beyond pathetic.

/Racist.

506 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:57:15am

re: #500 Sizzlack

I am SICK of Obama supporters constantly crying foul when people try to raise the issue of his character...

They did the same when we tried to raise the character of Kerry, Clinton, Gore, and so forth. They know their idols have feet of clay in the character department.

507 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:57:25am

re: #498 LanceKates

if so, they were openly violating it. THey were by the doors, and wer spread along the property chanting.

Hey man, thats ok, when I voted here in NYC, the person at my polling district table had a Hillary for President button on... I complained to the NYC Board of Elections and no action was taken... BIG SHOCKER!

508 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:57:38am

re: #461 BabbaZee

Exactly why you walk in the way,
cause you can't take it with ya.


Cute movies about paying things forward ?

Bullshit to live by!

The Gramsciain whores' Dollar General version of religion.

509 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:57:45am

re: #492 galloping granny

Thank you for the explanation!

Confederate cotten was carried by the blockade runners on the way out and was much in demand in England, which supported the Confederacy at least initially.


I usually bring that up to my British friends when they try to take the moral high road about "banning slavery before the US," even though the Brits were the #1 importers of slave cotton.

510 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:58:14am

Everything you need to know about the greatest triumph of Iranian science - the one, the only, The Complete Guide to Using the Mullah Terlet.

Given Whathisface's (no middle name) Obama and the Democrats love and respect for all things totalitarian, you might want to bookmark or memorize the instructions.

511 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:58:16am

I AM SPARTACUS!

512 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:58:23am

re: #497 BabbaZee

State of Insanity

Exactly!

513 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:58:48am

re: #502 BabbaZee

Obama and the Drive for Slave Reparations

Let me re-iterate that none of my ancestors ever owned slaves...

None of Obama's ancestors were slaves (at least in the USA), but he does have some slave owners on his mother's side.

Hypocrisy...

514 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:58:48am

Food Shortage starting to show in Japan, already showing in other parts of the world.

United states importing wheat for the first time... what.. ever?

Good thing we're dedicating more of our crops to fuel, eh?

515 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:58:57am

re: #508 Ward Cleaver

The Gramsciain whores' Dollar General version of religion.

A fistful of hollows

516 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:59:00am

re: #500 Sizzlack

I am SICK of Obama supporters constantly crying foul when people try to raise the issue of his character. They always say "well lets talk about the issues that face the voters, just ignore his personal side". Are you freakin kidding me? So if we put Charles Manson up for POTUS...would it be wrong to ask him about his past and his friends? If Manson said no no lets talk about the issues that face the voters...we're simply supposed to just ignore his personal side? This is so beyond pathetic.

Charles Manson and the audacity of hope!

Many dings WAY UP!

517 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 6:59:31am

re: #513 JamesTKirk

Let me re-iterate that none of my ancestors ever owned slaves...

None of Obama's ancestors were slaves (at least in the USA), but he does have some slave owners on his mother's side.

Hypocrisy...

My family didn't even get here till the 20th century.

518 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:00:11am

re: #514 LanceKates

Food Shortage starting to show in Japan, already showing in other parts of the world.

United states importing wheat for the first time... what.. ever?

Good thing we're dedicating more of our crops to fuel, eh?

See what happens when you listen to the Climate change nutlogs... In addition, it's a terrible idea that our search for alternative fuels is limited to using our much needed crops for development of ethanol...

519 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:00:14am

re: #507 tfc3rid

Hey man, thats ok, when I voted here in NYC, the person at my polling district table had a Hillary for President button on... I complained to the NYC Board of Elections and no action was taken... BIG SHOCKER!

Heh. in nyc? unbelieveable! heh.

Not for the primary, but the general election in 06, someone was at my polling place with a sign for one of the district state judges.

I complained and, by the time I was done voting, they had already been arrested.

520 looking closely  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:00:15am

re: #502 BabbaZee

Obama and the Drive for Slave Reparations

The article is a lot of innuendo, but it does raise one good point:

Has Obama ever made a public statement either *for* or *against* reparations to Black Americans for slavery?

If not, I think its about time he does so.

Surely as the "post racial" candidate, his views on this should be clear, and set an example for us all.

521 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:00:21am

re: #517 BabbaZee

My family didn't even get here till the 20th century.

Same here.

522 Sizzlack  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:00:40am

re: #505 looking closely

You know the pathetic thing is if I had said that on DailyKos I have no doubt I would have been called a racist. Of course nothing I said has anything to do with the color of ones skin, but it's the easiest way for the left to squirm out of an argument they know they can't win. Discrediting the messenger is the next easiest thing to do.

523 jcm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:00:41am

Good Morning Lizards!

IT'S EARF DAY!

Let's all run nekkid through a meadow with flowers in our hair!

or not

524 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:00:44am

re: #517 BabbaZee

My family didn't even get here till the 20th century.

Yet another Hebrew drinking from the well he did not dig.

525 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:00:47am

re: #514 LanceKates

Food Shortage starting to show in Japan, already showing in other parts of the world.

United states importing wheat for the first time... what.. ever?

Good thing we're dedicating more of our crops to fuel, eh?

Hey, the world will starve, but we'll still be able to drive our FlexFuel Suburbans, using less fossil fuel!

526 Miss Trixie  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:00:47am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, Lizards! &#9836 &#9834

Another gorgeous Spring day in the valley and life is good.

{realwest} Missed ya but here’s your *smoooooooooooch* if you happen to check in later. :D

re: #345 opnion

I had lunch with a business associate yesterday. He like I, has a moonbat infestation in his extended family.
We got kinda snarky & swapped stories about our family Liberals.It was real one upsmanship.
The one thing that we both came to, is how angry they are all of the time and feel a need to inject politics even when it is really inappropriate.
Also how when they are losing, they default to the smug, smirk.

THE LIBERAL MIND:
The Psychological Causes of Political Madness

“Modern liberalism’s irrationality can only be understood as the product of psychopathology. So extravagant are the patterns of thinking, emoting, behaving and relating that characterize the liberal mind that its relentless protests and demands become understandable only as disorders of the psyche.” The Liberal Mind reveals the madness of the modern liberal for what it is: a massive transference neurosis acted out in the world’s political arenas, with devastating effects on the institutions of liberty."

Check it out - the man lays it all out brilliantly. Order your e-book version or directly from the author - I can't wait to read it.

527 Guy_Philly  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:01:18am

re: #480 LanceKates

if you're voting republican, I don't know that you really have a choice.


Lance ... of course I am voting Republican ... don't you know me by now? hahaha ... Yeh, I'm not sure if anyone else is still on the ballot. If Romney were on, I might have cast a vote for him just to make McCain think a bit before he swings harder left. I am sorry to say, I was not up on the local politics in my home town. I don't think we have any Senator races (nationally) this year. Nobody is opposing our Congressman, and the smaller races, I just did not know about (my fault).

528 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:01:22am

re: #523 jcm

Good Morning Lizards!

IT'S EARF DAY!

Let's all run nekkid through a meadow with flowers in our hair!

or not

I really don't think you want us to do that.

529 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:01:34am

re: #518 tfc3rid

well, we use food to fuel our bodies...

Glenn Beck hit it out of the park this morning:

If you think the rest of the world hates us already, what do you think they're going to do when we starve them so that we can fill our SUV with fuel?

530 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:01:41am

Screw Obama and his reparation nonsense...

As I mentioned earlier, I see Obama had and received a nice laugh by saying he wan't going to enslave White Americans when elected President on The Daily Show last night... Of course, that's where most 18-34 American's get their news...

531 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:01:48am

re: #356 BabbaZee

{Babbaleh mine kindeleh}. I for one do not doubt your sincerity or the power of words in general. But for my part, I have learned over the years that when I speak too seriously I usually have less success than when I inject a liberal dose of self-deprecating humour. And besides, I love nothing more than a good, hearty, laugh, even if it's sometimes at my own expense.

532 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:01:51am
Part of saving our environment relies heavily on figuring out new ways to process our natural resources in a self-sustaining, cost effective way. Dean Kamen, the man who brought us the Segway, has just such a solution in the form of a water purification device called the Slingshot. Kamen claims the Slingshot can take nearly any source of moisture--including ocean water, urine or sewage--and quickly turn it into safe drinking water. The Slingshot process operates by means of vapor compression distillation, requires no filters, and can operate using the most efficient fuel known to man: cow dung. In addition to producing drinkable water, the Slingshot also generates enough electricity to light 70 energy-efficient light bulbs.

[Link: dvice.com...] ..would you like a cup of urine with that?

533 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:01:51am

re: #524 Ben Hur

{Judah}
lol
ya killin' me today

534 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:01:56am

re: #523 jcm

Good Morning Lizards!

IT'S EARF DAY!

Let's all run nekkid through a meadow with flowers in our hair!

or not

Weed Whacker?

535 chief long name  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:02:01am

re: #483 BabbaZee

A thousand up-dings to you!
GGTW
Later, Peeps

536 Grammy Cracker  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:02:24am

re: #523 jcm

Good Morning Lizards!

IT'S EARF DAY!

Let's all run nekkid through a meadow with flowers in our hair!

or not

Been there, done that. What else ya got?

/LOL

537 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:02:25am

re: #523 jcm

Good Morning Lizards!

IT'S EARF DAY!

Let's all run nekkid through a meadow with flowers in our hair!

or not

You do that too? I thought it was just me.

I stopped doing it at beaches.... people kept rolling me back in the water.

538 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:02:33am

re: #485 JamesTKirk

Steam actually had their own official plush cubes. Don't know if they ran out of the restock though.

On a #502-related note...weren't most of the Founding Fathers slaveowners as well?

539 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:02:35am

re: #529 LanceKates

well, we use food to fuel our bodies...

Glenn Beck hit it out of the park this morning:

If you think the rest of the world hates us already, what do you think they're going to do when we starve them so that we can fill our SUV with fuel?

Depends on whether or not we kill them all off with malaria due to our DDT ban first.

540 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:02:36am

re: #519 LanceKates

Good for you on that one... I mean I wish I would have taken a photo with my cell phone cam... But seriously, no electioneering...

541 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:02:58am

re: #525 Ward Cleaver

Hey, the world will starve, but we'll still be able to drive our FlexFuel Suburbans, using less fossil fuel!

and that way we'll feel good about helping the environment!

and feeling good is what it is all about, right?

heh.

542 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:03:15am

re: #523 jcm

NO.

543 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:03:19am

re: #528 JamesTKirk

I really don't think you want us to do that.

Gotta burn some more gasoline today, just to piss off Gaia and Gore.

544 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:03:51am

re: #527 Guy_Philly

Lance ... of course I am voting Republican ... don't you know me by now? hahaha ... Yeh, I'm not sure if anyone else is still on the ballot. If Romney were on, I might have cast a vote for him just to make McCain think a bit before he swings harder left. I am sorry to say, I was not up on the local politics in my home town. I don't think we have any Senator races (nationally) this year. Nobody is opposing our Congressman, and the smaller races, I just did not know about (my fault).

EH, it is just the primary.

I still predict that McCain will pick a republican governor from a state he might not otherwise win.

545 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:04:04am

re: #538 laZardo

Steam actually had their own official plush cubes. Don't know if they ran out of the restock though.

On a #502-related note...weren't most of the Founding Fathers slaveowners as well?

Most of the Southern ones, maybe. Ben Franklin, on the other hand, was one of North America's first abolitionists.

546 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:04:24am
547 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:04:25am

re: #535 chief long name

A thousand up-dings to you!
GGTW
Later, Peeps

MWAH
Later daddy-o

548 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:04:42am

re: #546 Ben Hur

New State Department lexicon forbids use of the words "jihad" or "jihadist"

GAME OVER

I posted that about an hour upthread LOL

549 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:04:49am

re: #539 JamesTKirk

Depends on whether or not we kill them all off with malaria due to our DDT ban first.

one disaster at a time!

I think the important thing, though, is to remember that there are no consequences to any of our actions as long as the democrats are in control.

550 USS Ben  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:05:10am

re: #5 rightside

551 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:05:29am

re: #545 JamesTKirk

I believe he also wanted the turkey to be America's national bird. But perhaps we could forgive him for that. >___>

552 Guy_Philly  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:05:36am

re: #499 LanceKates

any election ... it's not like you can intimidate a person voting behind a curtain. Consider it last minute campaigning (in case the voter forgot who's running or hasn't made up your mind. Ya never know, an attractive campaigner may convince you to vote their way if they try hard enough!

553 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:05:37am

re: #540 tfc3rid

People have no respect for the rule of law.

and as long as they support the right people, no one seems to care.

554 looking closely  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:06:01am

re: #513 JamesTKirk

Let me re-iterate that none of my ancestors ever owned slaves...

None of Obama's ancestors were slaves (at least in the USA), but he does have some slave owners on his mother's side.

Hypocrisy...


To my knowledge, none of my ancestors were in the USA prior to the American civil war, so I can say with good certainty that none of my family in measureable memory owned slaves.

I can't say with absolute certainty that NOBODY in my genetic lineage (eg dating back 5000+ years) EVER owned a slave. And I'd say that this is probably true of EVERYONE, including most of the people who believe that they themselves are descendants of slaves.

What I can say for sure is that the grandson of a slave isn't a slave, and the grandson of a slaveholder isn't a slaveholder. Its morally wrong to blame the offspring for the sins of the parent.

555 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:06:07am

re: #541 LanceKates

At least we're not oppressing them with bombs and walls!

/////////

556 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:06:41am

re: #529 LanceKates

well, we use food to fuel our bodies...

Glenn Beck hit it out of the park this morning:

If you think the rest of the world hates us already, what do you think they're going to do when we starve them so that we can fill our SUV with fuel?

Hey, what are a few million third-worlders worth, compared to the polar bears and caribou?

/greeniacs

557 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:06:44am

re: #549 LanceKates

one disaster at a time!

I think the important thing, though, is to remember that there are no consequences to any of our actions as long as the democrats are in control.

There are also no consequences to anything carried out by the UN.

/ UN Care Package

558 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:06:44am

re: #531 sparrowlake

I am always laughing.
This is not nearly what I meant.

{Sparrow}

I'm a smoker, I'm a toker, I'm the big heyoka

559 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:06:50am

re: #514 LanceKates

Food Shortage starting to show in Japan, already showing in other parts of the world.

United states importing wheat for the first time... what.. ever?

Good thing we're dedicating more of our crops to fuel, eh?

friggin' Chinese industrial revolution..those po folks got a taste of the good life and they ain't lettin' go. That equals less for everyone else...get ready...it ain't over yet. Check your local scrap yard and see where all of the steel's goin'....

560 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:07:21am

re: #546 Ben Hur

New State Department lexicon forbids use of the words "jihad" or "jihadist"

GAME OVER

You gotta get up early to beat BabbaZee.

561 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:07:23am

re: #552 Guy_Philly

I don't understand hte mindset that a person would go to vote but not know who they're voting for yet.

We have too much safety equipment in the world if such people survive long enough to vote like that.

Voting is a duty and an honor. How horrible for people to deal with it so cheaply.

562 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:07:37am

re: #523 jcm

Good Morning Lizards!

IT'S EARF DAY!

Let's all run nekkid through a meadow with flowers in our hair!

or not

I'm already there.

563 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:07:41am
Alseyed Josef Alsadar a member of the honored Sadar family wrote a letter to Alrafedain news (Nida'a al Rafidain News) which said: "Muqtada al-Sadr has tainted the reputation of this respected family, and the family disowns Muqtada. We are as innocent of him as the wolf is of the blood of Josef (Biblical (Old Testament I believe) and Koranic reference). The family is working on ways to discipline him with in the family. Consultations for this are held at the highest level to come up with punishments for its rogue son.

These courageous and dangerous statements come, for the fist time, from a member of the Sadar family. Alseyed Josef al-Sadr is considered to be a member of the family with deep faith who is rarely public. It appears he has broken his silence to show the truth before it is to late.

Al-rafidain has published this news after it consulted with Josef Alsadar, and expressed its concern that publishing his letter may threaten his life or safety.

The news agency reminded him of the assassination of Said Riadh Alnoori some days earlier. He was assassinated after he wrote Muqtada a letter asking him to dissolve the Mehdi Army. Alseyed Josef insisted we publish his letter against all threats

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

564 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:07:49am
565 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:08:27am

re: #560 Ward Cleaver

Woe unto the sleepless! lol

566 TrollBot PrtoType Six  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:08:30am

Happy Let’s Destroy The American Economy Day!
(That’s "Earth Day" for you folks in Rio Linda.)
//{;-)™

567 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:08:31am

re: #561 LanceKates

I don't understand hte mindset that a person would go to vote but not know who they're voting for yet.

We have too much safety equipment in the world if such people survive long enough to vote like that.

Voting is a duty and an honor. How horrible for people to deal with it so cheaply.

It's easy to cheapen the vote when the candidates act like contestants on American Idol...

I saw each of them appeared on the WWE Monday Night Raw last night...

568 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:08:36am

re: #461 BabbaZee

Never watched that movie, actually. Hate that sort of stuff with a passion, but "paying it forward" was the first phrase that came to mind. >_>

569 LeftJustAintRight  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:08:52am

Can't Say Jihad?
We can call it suicide by Islam

Akbar,that Jihadist just killed those Americans ! No he did not Barrack,they would not convert to Islam so we see it as suicide !

570 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:09:03am

re: #554 looking closely

I don't know about my german or italian ancestors, but I'm pretty sure MY american indian ancestors didn't own slaves.

571 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:09:04am

re: #482 Ward Cleaver

Hey Ward, you're just the guy I wanted to speak to. I heard last night that Eddie Haskell was over at your place while you were at work, and he made June blush with all his compliments about her dress. Just thought you should know.

572 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:09:18am

re: #541 LanceKates

and that way we'll feel good about helping the environment!

and feeling good is what it is all about, right?

heh.

A hug and a smile.

/shiny happy people

573 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:09:35am

re: #520 looking closely

Has Obama ever made a public statement either *for* or *against* reparations to Black Americans for slavery?

I don't know.
I'll look around.

574 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:09:41am

re: #562 MandyManners

re: #523 jcm
Good Morning Lizards! IT'S EARF DAY! Let's all run nekkid through a meadow with flowers in our hair! or not

I'm already there.

[Link: img214.imageshack.us...]

575 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:10:03am

Watching a clip of Hillary on Olberman re" IRan nukes.

"Deterrence hasn't been used effectively in recent times..."

Why did Libya hand over all it's crap, genius?

576 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:10:22am

re: #566 TrollBot PrtoType Six

Happy Let’s Destroy The American Economy Day!
(That’s "Earth Day" for you folks in Rio Linda.)
//{;-)™

Damn right.

577 Guy_Philly  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:10:37am

re: #544 LanceKates


Tom Ridge - formally a PA Governor and DHS Secretary? Makes some sense, but may be a little too moderate for some.

578 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:10:51am

re: #523 jcm

Good Morning Lizards!

IT'S EARF DAY!

Let's all run nekkid through a meadow with flowers in our hair!

or not

That'll get rid of the damn deer in a hurry.

579 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:10:51am

re: #548 BabbaZee

I posted that about an hour upthread LOL

Nothing exists until I post it.

You expect me to scroll up?

580 Roger  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:11:02am

re: #546 Ben Hur

We now have a j word

581 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:11:23am

re: #492 galloping granny

Cotton is still grown in eastern NC. Sometimes when I'm driving by the fields, I mistake it for a layer of snow. After it's harvested, the highway shoulders are littered with cotton-balls that have fallen off the trucks as they drive to their destinations...

582 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:11:44am

re: #568 laZardo

but "paying it forward" was the first phrase that came to mind. >_>


words.
make.
worlds.

They plant those words in your head for a reason kid, undeceive yourself.

Owning and deciding your own speech
is essentially...

freedom


It is a sin to write this. It is a sin to think words no others think and to put them down upon a paper no others are to see. It is base and evil. It is as if we were speaking alone to no ears but our own. And we know well that there is no transgression blacker than to do or think alone. We have broken the laws. The laws say that men may not write unless the Council of Vocations bid them so. May we be forgiven!
583 rightside  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:11:55am

re: #550 USS Ben


Morning to you too, shipmate!

584 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:12:02am

re: #579 Ben Hur

lol

585 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:12:05am

re: #579 Ben Hur

Nothing exists until I post it.

You expect me to scroll up?

Don't make me repost all of the Khaaaaaans!

586 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:12:22am

Earth Day?

SUNDAY was SMOKE SOME EARTH DAY.

4/20, dawg.

587 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:12:31am

re: #555 laZardo

Heh. Give it time. Democrats, like most other rats, get very violent when you get between them and what they want.

re: #557 JamesTKirk

Now that is wrong. heh.

re: #556 Ward Cleaver

There ARE groups that hold up such creatures higher than man. Such people ought to do the world a favor follow through with their own teachings by taking a long walk off a short pier.

re: #567 tfc3rid

Reality TV..... it truly does rot the mind.

588 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:12:51am

re: #571 sparrowlake

Hey Ward, you're just the guy I wanted to speak to. I heard last night that Eddie Haskell was over at your place while you were at work, and he made June blush with all his compliments about her dress. Just thought you should know.

I came home and capped Eddie, then made Wally and the Beav bury him in the backyard. Mum's the word!

589 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:14:27am

re: #581 christheprofessor

I worked in the cotton and corn fields of a kibbutz in Israel.

You would see HUMAN BEINGS picking the cotton.

Boy, did that make me pause.

590 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:14:37am

re: #582 BabbaZee

I love that story.

At first, man was enslaved by the gods. But he broke their chains. Then he was enslaved by the kings. But he broke their chains. He was enslaved by his birth, by his kin, by his race. But he broke their chains. He declared to all his brothers that a man has rights which neither god nor king nor other men can take away from him, no matter what their number, for his is the right of man, and there is no right on earth above this right. And he stood on the threshold of the freedom for which the blood of the centuries behind him had been spilled.

But then he gave up all he had won, and fell lower than his savage beginning.

What brought it to pass? What disaster took their reason away from men? What whip lashed them to their knees in shame and submission?

The worship of the word "We."

591 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:14:42am

re: #572 Ward Cleaver

It's a Bob Ross life!

re: #577 Guy_Philly

Could be, I don't know how PA ends up voting in general elections. Some floated Huckabee, but I think there is too much anti-christian sentiment out there for him to be able to pick a christian who mentions that he's a christian and still get 'undecided' voters.

592 looking closely  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:14:52am

re: #522 Sizzlack
I still predict that McCain will pick a republican governor from a state he might not otherwise win.


That would be the tactically smartest thing to do.

He could pick Romney, ex-Republican governor of a state he might not otherwise win (MA), though the truth is even if he did that, he *still* wouldn't win in MA!

I think Condoleeza Rice would be a particularly poor choice. She has no significant constituency, she *could* turn people off, and anyone who might be inclined to vote for her solely because of her race, would likely choose Obama instead.

To me the question is whether McCain is going to try and pick someone *more* conservative than himself (to shore up support from diehard Conservatives who find him lacking) or *less* so (to try and siphon off more "moderate" votes from the Dems).

I think the latter is probably the better strategy, but there may be financial and intra-party pressure to do the former.

593 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:15:17am

re: #590 laZardo

It deeply illustrates the point I have been trying to make to you

594 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:15:56am

re: #587 LanceKates

As Jeremy Clarkson once said, "Violence is the default setting of the terminally stupid."

/he actually said that in the context of the chaos in New Orleans after Katrina (being a classical pompous yet respectable Brit and all), but you get the idea...

595 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:16:07am

re: #590 laZardo

gods
had dick all to do with me,
I worship the
ONE GOD

596 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:16:13am

re: #592 looking closely

Rice worked for President Bush. According to the left wing attacks, she is no longer black.

597 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:16:21am

BBL

598 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:16:56am

re: #593 BabbaZee

Yes. I really should use "I" more often. (:

/referring to oneself in the third-person is just too cliche...

599 Roger  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:17:00am

re: #577 Guy_Philly

Tom Ridge is a bit busy.

600 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:17:17am

re: #595 BabbaZee

had dick all to do with me,

You do have a way with words..lol

601 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:17:31am

re: #593 BabbaZee

It deeply illustrates the point I have been trying to make to you


I still don't agree with lazardo's assertion that we're all effed in the end. Well, if you call effed being in the presence of a loving Creator, then I guess I'mm effed too....

602 looking closely  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:17:43am

re: #570 LanceKates

I don't know about my german or italian ancestors, but I'm pretty sure MY american indian ancestors didn't own slaves.


I wouldn't be so sure.

The popular narrative is that slavery didn't exist in the American's until the Europeans brought it here, but that's a fiction.

Slavery was actually rampant in Native America.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

603 Widow'smight  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:17:59am

re: #573 BabbaZee

My Boss just told me these days of Passover are called Business, or Sand days. I asked him why he wasn't at the Beach.

It's weird when your boss is young enough to be your son. I'd need to break him in a little bit though. Fishing, Hunting, Gardening, working on Cars and the two important husband phrases "yes Dear" and "I love you".

604 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:18:17am

re: #589 Ben Hur

I worked in the cotton and corn fields of a kibbutz in Israel.

You would see HUMAN BEINGS picking the cotton.

Boy, did that make me pause.

605 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:19:11am

re: #601 paxnhymn

If he continues to believe in nothing
he will receive it
in abundance.
So he is right in that sense.
All chaff is burned at harvest.

606 Miss Trixie  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:19:14am

Ottawa's CFRA discussing FGM and Aayan Hirsi'a Ali's Book "Infidel"

Listen here.

607 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:19:57am

Oklahoma news:

SJR38, a bill put forth by Republican State Senator Glenn Coffee, may get heard today.

It would put up for vote an amendment to the state constitution to protect the right to hunt in Oklahoma.

If you're an Okie and favor the idea, let your state reps know

If you're an Okie and do NOT favor the idea, I think someone down the street is driving an SUV without filling their tank with e85. You'd better to give them an "Environmental Alert" ticket. I hear they love it when you do that.

608 Silhouette  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:19:59am

re: #469 LanceKates

300 feet, or whatever.

In practice, more signs, supporters can be found at the polls on election day than anywhere else, just not within the prescribed # of feet from the actual booth. Where I vote, because the booths are down the hall and across the gym, the politickers are right outside the front doot

609 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:20:05am

re: #602 looking closely

I wouldn't be so sure.

The popular narrative is that slavery didn't exist in the American's until the Europeans brought it here, but that's a fiction.

Slavery was actually rampant in Native America.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I know one thing...my ancestors were definitely trappers, so unless someone's got pelts for me or something I ain't payin' reparations for shit!

610 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:20:20am

re: #603 Widow'smight


My Boss just told me these days of Passover are called Business, or Sand days


First time I ever heard that in my life.
WTF is it supposed to mean?

611 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:20:23am

re: #502 BabbaZee

Obama and the Drive for Slave Reparations

The most ridiculous thing about this is that Obama is not an American Black whose ancestors were slaves. His black heritage is straight out of Kenya, Africa, with absolutely no known connection to historical slavery in the US that would lead to any entitlement to reparations on his part.

On the other hand, Obama's white ancestors by all accounts were slave owners in the pre-Civil War era United States, putting him smack dab on the list of those who by his lights should pay those reparations.

612 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:20:56am

re: #602 looking closely

Sssssshhhh! Everybody knows that the whites brought slavery, and that the Native Americans lived at one with nature!

////

613 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:21:00am

re: #592 looking closely

Romney's not a bad choice for VP. However, I still think Michael Steele of Maryland (former Lt. Gov.) might be his best bet. He's still fairly young, conservative, and deserves a chance after getting pelted with Oreo cookies during his Senate run. I don't much like the idea of Huckabee. Too liberal in all the wrong places for me. Another choice for McCain might be to pick someone relatively unknown from a state like Michigan where the race is going to be very close.

We'll know more after the Dems have finished their food fight.

614 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:21:02am

re: #609 paxnhymn

I know one thing...my ancestors were definitely trappers, so unless someone's got pelts for me or something I ain't payin' reparations for shit!

My ancestors hunted beaver.

The apple didn't fall far from the tree... ;)

615 looking closely  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:21:37am

re: #573 BabbaZee
Has Obama ever taken a position on reparations.

I don't know.
I'll look around.


This is not a trivial issue especially given his connection to "Afrocentrism" and his refusal to sever connections with J. Wright.

I'll bet he hasn't taken any public position on it, or if he has its been wishy washy. For obvious reasons, this would be a wedge issue for him.

He needs to be called out on this one. . .though I suspect someone is saving it in their "bag" for later in the election cycle.

616 jcm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:21:51am

re: #602 looking closely

I wouldn't be so sure.

The popular narrative is that slavery didn't exist in the American's until the Europeans brought it here, but that's a fiction.

Slavery was actually rampant in Native America.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Slavery and war, the default settings for mankind. Slavery and warfare are pretty ubiquitous throughout history. It' only recently, that the idea that's a bad thing has become pervasive.

The left still hasn't got over the slavery thing, they think it's okay to make us slave only half the the time. And have such a phobia about war they're willing to be slaves in the name of peace.

617 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:22:07am

re: #614 JamesTKirk

My ancestors hunted beaver.

The apple didn't fall far from the tree... ;)


LOL! But your "beaver " always had green skin or somethin...

618 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:22:26am

re: #611 galloping granny

The most ridiculous thing about this is that Obama is not an American Black whose ancestors were slaves. His black heritage is straight out of Kenya, Africa, with absolutely no known connection to historical slavery in the US that would lead to any entitlement to reparations on his part.

On the other hand, Obama's white ancestors by all accounts were slave owners in the pre-Civil War era United States, putting him smack dab on the list of those who by his lights should pay those reparations.

So he should pay himself reparations? Or shake down his white grandmother?

/after the bus has run over her

619 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:22:34am

re: #614 JamesTKirk

One of my ancestors was a Portuguese friar. Not sure if his congregation was more of a plantation as those pesky Spaniards ran things back in the day...

620 loppyd  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:22:53am

re: #486 Bloodnok

I'm good! It's a nice day here in Boston, too (whoodathunkit?! lol).

I'm heading to West Roxbury later this afternoon...I'll be inside, though. :~(

621 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:23:10am

re: #615 looking closely

I suspect the same, lol

622 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:23:34am

re: #612 laZardo

Sssssshhhh! Everybody knows that the whites brought slavery, and that the Native Americans lived at one with nature!

////

And they never, ever, fought with one another!

/

623 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:23:55am

re: #592 looking closely

I still predict that McCain will pick a republican governor from a state he might not otherwise win.


That would be the tactically smartest thing to do.

He could pick Romney, ex-Republican governor of a state he might not otherwise win (MA), though the truth is even if he did that, he *still* wouldn't win in MA!

I think Condoleeza Rice would be a particularly poor choice. She has no significant constituency, she *could* turn people off, and anyone who might be inclined to vote for her solely because of her race, would likely choose Obama instead.

To me the question is whether McCain is going to try and pick someone *more* conservative than himself (to shore up support from diehard Conservatives who find him lacking) or *less* so (to try and siphon off more "moderate" votes from the Dems).

I think the latter is probably the better strategy, but there may be financial and intra-party pressure to do the former.

I live in Moonbatachussets, and I've had people tell me they're voting for the first Republican in their lives - McCain - EXCEPT if he picks Romney as VP.

And Rice as VP would frighten me, given the way she's been pressuring Israel.

Lieberman would be an interesting choice, but McCain might lose necessary votes - or he might get more of them from disaffected Democrats.

624 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:23:58am

re: #611 galloping granny

Who need truth when ya got Hopium!

625 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:24:06am

re: #617 paxnhymn

LOL! But your "beaver " always had green skin or somethin...

From #250: [Link: img214.imageshack.us...]

626 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:24:07am

re: #581 christheprofessor

Cotton is still grown in eastern NC. Sometimes when I'm driving by the fields, I mistake it for a layer of snow. After it's harvested, the highway shoulders are littered with cotton-balls that have fallen off the trucks as they drive to their destinations...

I remember the cotton fields of NC, though I never picked any myself. My mother used to tell us about picking cotton in North Carolina as a girl. She kept some cotton bolls on her dresser for many, many years along with a jar of good red North Carolina dirt. When she died I followed her instructions and buried them with her.

Sure wish I could lay hands on a mesly cotton boll or two for teaching purposes, but apparently can't be done without a trip to NC.

627 incanus  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:24:37am

re: #95 BabbaZee

Speaking of Stan Sponsored Divide and Conquer:

Several times yesterday I posted counterpoints to zombie, looking for a reply. Never saw anything related to any counterpoints, just "Ok I've been beat down I'm leaving."

I know I'm just an infrequent poster, but I thought I might get at least one reply.

628 looking closely  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:24:58am

re: #596 LanceKates

Rice worked for President Bush. According to the left wing attacks, she is no longer black.


Bluntly, she's probably more accomplished than Obama and likely more qualified to be President.

Regardless, as you say her assocation with the Bush administration makes her a poison pill. I can't imagine why McCain would choose her since there are better candidates out there and its practically a given that doing so would cost him votes.

629 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:25:27am

re: #602 looking closely

oh, it was VERY rampant, but the Otoe and Otoe Missouri tribes were pretty peaceful and though often did fight, were not the aggressors.

They were said to be good at farming and building tools. Some say this is why they were often attacked.... to steal their food and tools.... as well as take some into slavery to build stuff for them.

630 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:25:37am

re: #615 looking closely

Has Obama ever taken a position on reparations.

This is not a trivial issue especially given his connection to "Afrocentrism" and his refusal to sever connections with J. Wright.

I'll bet he hasn't taken any public position on it, or if he has its been wishy washy. For obvious reasons, this would be a wedge issue for him.

He needs to be called out on this one. . .though I suspect someone is saving it in their "bag" for later in the election cycle.

Yesterday, Hugh Hewitt was all over the Obama friendship with the Ex-Weathermen, Ayers and Dohrn. Playing lots of period audio clips of SDS/Weathermen bombing stories.

631 Bloodnok  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:26:16am

re: #620 loppyd

I'm heading to West Roxbury later this afternoon...I'll be inside, though. :~(

Oh well. Enjoy the drive, anyway. I hear 128 is beeeeeutiful this time of year./

632 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:26:16am

re: #596 LanceKates

Rice worked for President Bush. According to the left wing attacks, she is no longer black.

[Link: img232.imageshack.us...]

633 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:27:52am

re: #620 loppyd

I'm heading to West Roxbury later this afternoon...I'll be inside, though. :~(

Just make sure you stay West of Roxbury

634 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:27:55am

re: #626 galloping granny

I remember the cotton fields of NC, though I never picked any myself. My mother used to tell us about picking cotton in North Carolina as a girl. She kept some cotton bolls on her dresser for many, many years along with a jar of good red North Carolina dirt. When she died I followed her instructions and buried them with her.

Sure wish I could lay hands on a mesly cotton boll or two for teaching purposes, but apparently can't be done without a trip to NC.

I have one of those miniature cotton bales (about the size of a large fist), compressed, wrapped in burlap, with steel bands on it.

635 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:27:56am

re: #608 Silhouette

easy to fix.

If anyone is on the grounds of a voting area, people who disagree with them ought to be allowed to shoot them with a slingshot.

636 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:28:21am

re: #627 incanus

I know I'm just an infrequent poster, but I thought I might get at least one reply.

How much a person posts should never be the criteria anyone uses regarding whether to answer them or not, and Zombie didn't answer me either, so it surely couldn't be that.

think about it / read it again and you will gelan why certain posts were ignored.
;~}

637 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:28:23am

Drugs,murder and Katrina..........the water made me do it......

If Gregory Christopher Decay is convicted of capital murder this week, his attorneys plan to argue that the former New Orleans resident pulled the trigger on a Fayetteville couple while traumatized from Hurricane Katrina.
The capital murder trial for Decay, 24, begins today in Washington County. He is accused in the April 2007 slayings of Kevin Barkley Jones and Kendall Rachell Rice, both 24
Jones and Rice were shot in the head in a drug dispute, court records show. Their bodies were found in their Fayetteville apartment.

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

638 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:28:29am

re: #619 laZardo

One of my ancestors was a Portuguese friar. Not sure if his congregation was more of a plantation as those pesky Spaniards ran things back in the day...

One of mine was a Litvish pickler.

639 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:28:29am

glean

640 loppyd  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:28:40am

re: #633 sattv4u2

Just make sure you stay West of Roxbury

Count on it. LOL

641 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:28:42am

re: #628 looking closely

Bluntly, she's probably more accomplished than Obama and likely more qualified to be President.

Regardless, as you say her assocation with the Bush administration makes her a poison pill. I can't imagine why McCain would choose her since there are better candidates out there and its practically a given that doing so would cost him votes.

I wholly agree. I'd still like to see JC Watts become VP, but he's wanting to stick with his family, and I don't blame him.

My second choice would be Zell Miller. Just watch the dem's heads explode.

642 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:28:52am

re: #631 Bloodnok

Oh well. Enjoy the drive, anyway. I hear 128 is beeeeeutiful this time of year./

The last time 128 was Beautiful was in the aftermath of the Blizzard of '78!

643 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:29:20am

re: #627 incanus

Several times yesterday I posted counterpoints to zombie, looking for a reply. Never saw anything related to any counterpoints, just "Ok I've been beat down I'm leaving."

I know I'm just an infrequent poster, but I thought I might get at least one reply.

Doesn't always work that way, I'm afraid.

644 incanus  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:29:39am

re: #126 David IV of Georgia

How He went about it is a mystery. The account in the first book of the Bible or Torah is in my opinion a symbolic story. The story is not false, nor a lie, but it does not give specific details or facts. In Moses' time (circa 1200 BCE), a science textbook explanation of creation would have been largely incomprehensible. In our own time, if we were given precise details of what happened, we probably wouldn't understand it any better. So we are given a broad symbolic synopsis of what took place.

Bravo! I've never understood why people expect the Bible to use scientific terms that didn't even exist in the language of the day.

645 loppyd  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:29:44am

re: #631 Bloodnok

Oh well. Enjoy the drive, anyway. I hear 128 is beeeeeutiful this time of year./

The TV Towers in Needham do look especially lovely in the Spring sunshine. LOL

646 paxnhymn  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:29:51am

re: #627 incanus

I STILL don't know what all of this brew-ha-ha was about...

647 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:30:36am

re: #641 LanceKates

I wholly agree. I'd still like to see JC Watts become VP, but he's wanting to stick with his family, and I don't blame him.

My second choice would be Zell Miller. Just watch the dem's heads explode.

He's having too good of a time in retirement. His other "drawback" is his age. McCain will have to pick a younger running mate IMHO

648 profitsbeard  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:30:58am

I would vote for Osama over Obama.

Because I would be sure he would have less chance of winning.

(Except in Berkely.)

649 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:31:22am

re: #626 galloping granny

I remember the cotton fields of NC, though I never picked any myself. My mother used to tell us about picking cotton in North Carolina as a girl. She kept some cotton bolls on her dresser for many, many years along with a jar of good red North Carolina dirt. When she died I followed her instructions and buried them with her.

Sure wish I could lay hands on a mesly cotton boll or two for teaching purposes, but apparently can't be done without a trip to NC.

The people here or there might be able to hook you up with some mail-order cotton bolls.

650 jcm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:31:34am

re: #646 paxnhymn

I STILL don't know what all of this brew-ha-ha was about...

I missed it all, only saw zombie left. In the aftermath, sounded like someone struck a raw nerve.

651 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:31:50am
652 looking closely  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:31:55am

re: #613 Honorary Yooper

Romney's not a bad choice for VP. . . I don't much like the idea of Huckabee. We'll know more after the Dems have finished their food fight.


On his merits as an individual Romney would be a great choice for VP, considering his stature, and that he's been "vetted" already by his candidacy. But would he swing a border state for McCain? That's not so clear.

I think that the potential ability to swing a close state is an important (maybe the most important) consideration, with the proviso of course that the individual in question is intrinsically qualified to be President.

Huckabee would bring out the social conservatives and such, but he'd also be a pretty big turnoff for moderates who make up the most important group to "sell" in a general election. He's probably more of a liablity to McCain than a benefit.

653 Widow'smight  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:32:03am

re: #610 BabbaZee

That's what I thought, but he told me that's the translation from Hebrew.

I'm learning.

654 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:32:18am

LaZardo: [Link: img225.imageshack.us...]

655 EC Marm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:32:37am

re: #529 LanceKates

well, we use food to fuel our bodies...

Glenn Beck hit it out of the park this morning:

If you think the rest of the world hates us already, what do you think they're going to do when we starve them so that we can fill our SUV with fuel?


Will they consider the fact that the only reason we may contribute toward that starvation is because of a group of wealthy Arab countries that make it economically feasible for us to burn food? Will they turn their anger toward them, first?

/rhetorical

656 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:32:46am

re: #647 sattv4u2

He's having too good of a time in retirement. His other "drawback" is his age. McCain will have to pick a younger running mate IMHO

I'm available, I'll MORE than make up for McCains' youth, but I'll quickly get painted as the crazy conservative guy... heh.

I'm too young though.

657 bosforus  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:33:17am

Big Yawwwwn. Good morning lizards

658 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:33:19am

re: #644 incanus

Bravo! I've never understood why people expect the Bible to use scientific terms that didn't even exist in the language of the day.

What amazes me is how close Kabbalistic interpretations come to what we know now.
Besides, Genesis wasn't meant to be a science textbook, but to give the credentials of G-d:
"I created the universe, so I can give any piece of it to the people I choose"
That's why most of it covers the lineage of people, and not the actual Creation.

659 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:33:34am

re: #626 galloping granny

I remember the cotton fields of NC, though I never picked any myself. My mother used to tell us about picking cotton in North Carolina as a girl. She kept some cotton bolls on her dresser for many, many years along with a jar of good red North Carolina dirt. When she died I followed her instructions and buried them with her.

Sure wish I could lay hands on a mesly cotton boll or two for teaching purposes, but apparently can't be done without a trip to NC.

No education about cotton is complete without a mention of the evil weevil.

660 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:33:36am

re: #602 looking closely

I wouldn't be so sure.

The popular narrative is that slavery didn't exist in the American's until the Europeans brought it here, but that's a fiction.

Slavery was actually rampant in Native America.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Absolutely. And I have no idea why that might be a popular fiction, because it is a well known fact taught to elementary school children that Sacajawea herself, one of the best known of American Indians, was taken as a slave by the tribe that captured her. Those captured by the Iroquois nations were often slaves - including white captives. The Cherokee prior to the Trail of Tears owned both plantations and slaves. All of the tribes of the Southwest were frequently taken as slaves in raids by the Spanish of Mexico & New Mexico.

If you have American Indian ancestry, the chances are pretty good that your ancestors were slaves, owned slaves or both.

661 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:33:50am

Even Frodo hadda go tah Mordor.

/audio only

662 loppyd  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:33:56am

re: #648 profitsbeard

I would vote for Osama over Obama.

Because I would be sure he would have less chance of winning.

(Except in Berkely.)

North Hampton, MA would probably go with the AQ party as well.

663 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:34:06am

re: #653 Widow'smight

That's what I thought, but he told me that's the translation from Hebrew.

I'm learning.

I never heard such a thing in my life

664 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:34:20am

re: #663 BabbaZee

Check with Ben Hur when he comes back

665 loppyd  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:34:24am

BBL

Tech guy is here.

Fingers crossed!

666 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:34:36am

Not to me
to Widow

bah

667 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:34:38am

re: #655 EC Marm

well, I don't know that it is economically feesible.

Ethanol still operates by government subsidy and is STILL expensive.

Not only do we buy it at the pump, but we fund it before it ever gets there.

Some say 5 a gallon before the end of summer. I drive 33 miles, one way, to work each day.

668 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:36:03am
669 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:36:03am

re: #662 loppyd

North Hampton, MA would probably go with the AQ party as well.

Don't forget Cambridge, and Martha's Vineyard

670 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:36:03am

re: #618 Ward Cleaver

So he should pay himself reparations? Or shake down his white grandmother?

/after the bus has run over her

Why would he be entitled to reparations, since not a single one of his black ancestors was the "victim" of slavery in pre-Civil War America?

671 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:36:04am

re: #658 Kosh's Shadow

[BLINK]

672 looking closely  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:36:06am

re: #623 Kosh's Shadow

I live in Moonbatachussets, and I've had people tell me they're voting for the first Republican in their lives - McCain - EXCEPT if he picks Romney as VP.

And Rice as VP would frighten me, given the way she's been pressuring Israel.

Lieberman would be an interesting choice, but McCain might lose necessary votes - or he might get more of them from disaffected Democrats.


McCain could pick John Kerry as his running mate and he *still* probably wouldn't win Massachussetts.

(Actually if he did something that crazy, he'd open himself up to losing purely via a third-party "spoiler" candidate running to his right).

McCain is also never going to pick Lieberman. Regardless of his potential merits as VP, that sort of cross-party nomination would be a a thumb in the eye of the Republican party, which has plenty of candidates of merit McCain could choose from.

673 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:36:16am

re: #647 sattv4u2

He's having too good of a time in retirement. His other "drawback" is his age. McCain will have to pick a younger running mate IMHO

Zell Miller is 76.

674 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:36:37am

re: #589 Ben Hur

I worked in the cotton and corn fields of a kibbutz in Israel.

You would see HUMAN BEINGS picking the cotton.

Boy, did that make me pause.

Hell, in 'Murica, we've had machines that pic cotton for generations.

Musta been a "make work" program... ;)

675 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:36:44am

Possible aliens in Phoenix.

The, uh, ET kind.... not the illegal immigrant kind.

676 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:37:06am

re: #652 looking closely

However, Romney might not bring in Massachusetts, but he stands a very good chance of bringing in Michigan (which is a swing state this year). People there still remember his father as governor, and know the name well.

But, like I said, the VP choice will be better known when the Democrat food fight is over, and the fog has lifted from the playing field.

677 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:37:35am

re: #667 LanceKates

well, I don't know that it is economically feesible.

Ethanol still operates by government subsidy and is STILL expensive.

Not only do we buy it at the pump, but we fund it before it ever gets there.

Some say 5 a gallon before the end of summer. I drive 33 miles, one way, to work each day.

Not to worry Lance, I am sure that salaries will be raised to match the increased cost of living!

678 Bloodnok  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:37:38am

re: #642 sattv4u2

The last time 128 was Beautiful was in the aftermath of the Blizzard of '78!

Oh yeah! I remember blizzards (way back before Global Warming /). Imagine what Deval Patrick would have done in '78. We had 5 inches of snow a few months ago and the metro area shut down for 12 hours. Great job with the plows, Deval!

679 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:37:38am

re: #676 Honorary Yooper

yup, don't know all the swing states until we know who the D is.

680 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:38:19am

re: #677 tfc3rid

Not to worry Lance, I am sure that salaries will be raised to match the increased cost of living!

LOL.. of course!

Everyone making minimum wage got a 40% raise, I'm sure we all will!

681 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:38:20am

re: #670 galloping granny

Why would he be entitled to reparations, since not a single one of his black ancestors was the "victim" of slavery in pre-Civil War America?

You're right. What was I thinking?

682 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:39:11am

re: #670 galloping granny

Why would he be entitled to reparations, since not a single one of his black ancestors was the "victim" of slavery in pre-Civil War America?

Shh.. you may remind people that he only looks black.

683 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:39:14am

re: #667 LanceKates

well, I don't know that it is economically feesible.

Ethanol still operates by government subsidy and is STILL expensive.

Not only do we buy it at the pump, but we fund it before it ever gets there.

Some say 5 a gallon before the end of summer. I drive 33 miles, one way, to work each day.

Is it better for the third world if the government pays farmers not to grow stuff?

684 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:39:25am
685 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:39:33am

re: #675 LanceKates

Possible aliens in Phoenix.

The, uh, ET kind.... not the illegal immigrant kind.

Th Phoenix skies have always been a hotbed of UFO activity...

686 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:40:17am

re: #683 sparrowlake

Is it better for the third world if the government pays farmers not to grow stuff?

seems to me that people who are starving could use food.

Of course, during the Great Depression, the idea to help farmers was to slaughter pigs by the thousands and destroy crop fields, to reduce supply.

Yes, when people are starving, let's just let food rot.

Nothing shows you care like that, eh?

687 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:40:54am

re: #654 JamesTKirk

Mostly win, though the cosplayer looks a bit ditzy.

Here are some interesting cosplay ideas...preferably the bottom two.

/looks like SPARTA in the back of your pic...

688 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:41:20am
At the conference, "Mecca, the Center of the Earth, Theory and Practice," Muslim scientists and clerics called for TIME change, arguing that the holy city in Saudi Arabia is the center of the Earth and should be the reference point for world time, not Greenwich, England.

gives daylight savings new meaning.

Spring on jooos,
and blow them behind.

689 incanus  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:41:28am

re: #230 sparrowlake

Good morning lizards.
As a relative newbie (just under 5 months) I was amazed yesterday to see the outpouring of affection for zombie and the amount of begging and beseeching that followed zombie's rather petulantly announced intention to temporarily withdraw from posting at LGF. This is a truly remarkable blog site.
I took zombie's main point (leaving aside the emotional and personal stuff) to be essentially a basic tactical question about how best to try to "convert" moonbats to the anti-Islamofascist cause. I think that was a valid issue to raise, and I would be interested to know:
1. Whether lizards think it is even possible that moonbats would be prepared to adopt the anti-Islamofascist cause; and,
2. If so, then whether lizards would welcome to LGF those modified moonbat "converts" who remained complete and utter moonbats in every other way except for their newfound anti-Islamofascism.

From that thread, several posters pointed out that one of the core beliefs of moonbattery is disdain, nay, loathing of the United States of America and that which she represents (liberties guaranteed in the Constitution primarily).

Until moonbats address this problem, I have no great desire to welcome them in a "fight" against Islamofacism, for what are they fighting for? I would argue that moonbats are currently using Islamofacism against the greatest country on God's green earth.

690 looking closely  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:41:29am

re: #660 galloping granny

Absolutely. And I have no idea why that might be a popular fiction [that American Indians were slavers], because it is a well known fact taught to elementary school children that Sacajawea herself, one of the best known of American Indians, was taken as a slave,


Because it destroys the quaint politically correct mythology that the Native Americans were happy and peaceful and living in harmony with nature, until the "white man" came and destroyed everything they had, that's why.

The fact that Native Americans were engaged constantly in endemic/tribal PC warfare isn't part of that "narrative".

To be clear, I'm not saying that European colonization didn't hurt Native American society, only that things weren't the proverbial "bed of roses" beforehand, that's all.

691 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:41:31am

re: #685 tfc3rid

Th Phoenix skies have always been a hotbed of UFO activity...

I hear they also have had problems with the OTHER kind of illegal alien.

I've heard some tin foil hat wearing people who still don't believe that there were earthquakes in IL.... they still insist it was an air force operation coverup.

692 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:41:48am

re: #662 loppyd

North Hampton, MA would probably go with the AQ party as well.

Do you live in Northampton? (Those who are too far gone for Northampton but not yet quite lunatic enough for Berkeley move to Brattleboro.)

693 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:42:13am

re: #650 jcm

I missed it all, only saw zombie left. In the aftermath, sounded like someone struck a raw nerve.

Some of his comments on the Stein thread were over the top paranoid. Pretty disappointing.

The jihadists would like nothing better than to see the anti-jihad coalition splinter, and lose focus.

694 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:42:24am

re: #672 looking closely

McCain could pick John Kerry as his running mate and he *still* probably wouldn't win Massachussetts.

(Actually if he did something that crazy, he'd open himself up to losing purely via a third-party "spoiler" candidate running to his right).

McCain is also never going to pick Lieberman. Regardless of his potential merits as VP, that sort of cross-party nomination would be a a thumb in the eye of the Republican party, which has plenty of candidates of merit McCain could choose from.

You forget that Lieberman is no longer a Democrat.

695 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:42:55am

[Link: my.break.com...]

696 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:43:02am

re: #690 looking closely

Because it destroys the quaint politically correct mythology that the Native Americans were happy and peaceful and living in harmony with nature, until the "white man" came and destroyed everything they had, that's why.

The fact that Native Americans were engaged constantly in endemic/tribal PC warfare isn't part of that "narrative".

To be clear, I'm not saying that European colonization didn't hurt Native American society, only that things weren't the proverbial "bed of roses" beforehand, that's all.

"Every Rose has its thorn."

697 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:43:13am

re: #626 galloping granny

The next time I see some, I'll scoop it up and snail-mail it to you....

698 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:43:26am

re: #694 galloping granny

You forget that Lieberman is no longer a Democrat.

He still caucuses with them, and votes with them on a majority of issues.

(I wonder if he votes with the Democrats more often than McCain votes with the Republicans?)

699 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:43:43am

re: #694 galloping granny

You forget that Lieberman is no longer a Democrat.

yes and no. He is 'officially' an Independent, but upon winning the election, the Democrats coddled him again and he agreed to function as one of them.

700 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:43:52am

re: #691 LanceKates

I hear they also have had problems with the OTHER kind of illegal alien.

I've heard some tin foil hat wearing people who still don't believe that there were earthquakes in IL.... they still insist it was an air force operation coverup.

Psychopaths... Of course there are earthquakes out there... New Madrid anyone? It would not surprise me if these quakes are fore-shocks to a larger quake...

701 JamesTKirk  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:44:11am
702 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:44:29am

re: #700 tfc3rid

people, by and large, are pretty stupid if they have it in their mind that someone is trying to 'get them'

703 EC Marm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:45:03am

re: #667 LanceKates

well, I don't know that it is economically feesible.

Ethanol still operates by government subsidy and is STILL expensive.

Not only do we buy it at the pump, but we fund it before it ever gets there.


New research on corn indicates the entire plant can be processed instead of chopped up and tossed back on the field. But we need cellulostic ethanol processing plants, now. Maybe some short term subsidies of celulostic crops that can be planted twice a year and generate between three to six times the ethanol yield per acre. While the corn subsidies are removed over a three year period.
But that's forward thinking, something that vested interests would oppose tooth and nail.

704 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:45:08am

re: #701 JamesTKirk

\//, buddy.

705 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:45:16am

re: #693 Ward Cleaver

Some of his comments on the Stein thread were over the top paranoid. Pretty disappointing.

The jihadists would like nothing better than to see the anti-jihad coalition splinter, and lose focus.

The lefties wouldn't mind it either... Of course, it is possible that a few might have stirred up the pot a bit and drove a wedge in between a few people...

706 looking closely  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:45:20am

re: #676 Honorary Yooper
I'd take Romney in a second.

He'd probably wipe the floor with anyone Obama might pick for VP.

Which sort of raises the question, assuming Obama *is* the Dem nominiee, there is likely to be a significant "stature gap" between him and any VP candidate.

Obama is so junior, that he's going to have a problem there. If he picks someone MORE qualified than himself (ie someone that unlike him actually *is* qualified to be President) its going to raise questions about the merits of his candidacy.

If he picks someone *less* qualified than himself, its also going to raise eyebrows the other way.

707 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:45:41am

re: #700 tfc3rid

Psychopaths... Of course there are earthquakes out there... New Madrid anyone? It would not surprise me if these quakes are fore-shocks to a larger quake...

New Madrid "out there"?

708 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:45:52am

re: #702 LanceKates

people, by and large, are pretty stupid if they have it in their mind that someone is trying to 'get them'

Here is the key point that people of that ilk must realize...

YOU ARE NOT THAT IMPORTANT!

709 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:45:54am

re: #704 laZardo

PIMF, that was supposed to come out as "live long and prosper," but the coding got rid of the first backslash...

710 jcm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:46:27am

re: #693 Ward Cleaver

Some of his comments on the Stein thread were over the top paranoid. Pretty disappointing.

The jihadists would like nothing better than to see the anti-jihad coalition splinter, and lose focus.

I heard the Stein thread got a little out of hand. There's spirited debated, with some levity and sarcasm thrown in. I usually bail with things start getting heated. Not because I can't take a heated debate, it no longer informative, or worthwhile when it get personal.

711 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:47:04am

re: #690 looking closely

Because it destroys the quaint politically correct mythology that the Native Americans were happy and peaceful and living in harmony with nature, until the "white man" came and destroyed everything they had, that's why.

The fact that Native Americans were engaged constantly in endemic/tribal PC warfare isn't part of that "narrative".

To be clear, I'm not saying that European colonization didn't hurt Native American society, only that things weren't the proverbial "bed of roses" beforehand, that's all.

Let me quote one for you & others, yet again: (sigh)

Carlos Nikai, famous Navajo musician, about 3 years ago at a concert at Dartmouth College -

"All of us here in this room that were born in the United States, we're all Native Americans. I am a Native American. I am also an American Indian of the Navajo Tribe. . . "

"Native American" is the PC term. American Indians themselves mostly prefer to be called American Indians on exactly the grounds outlined by Carlos Nikai. Note that it is not called the "Native American Movement" but rather the "American Indian Movement."

712 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:47:24am

re: #707 MandyManners

New Madrid "out there"?

Well, meaning there are earthquakes "out there' in the Midwest, referring specifically to the New Madrid fault.

713 bosforus  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:47:25am

re: #675 LanceKates


Those who saw them said the lights were visible about 13 minutes before moving off to the east.

Imagine that. They got bored in Phoenix. Who would've guessed?

714 looking closely  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:47:30am

re: #694 galloping granny

You forget that Lieberman is no longer a Democrat.


No, I didn't forget that at all.

Lieberman may not be a Democrat, but he sure isn't a Republican.

715 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:47:38am

re: #686 LanceKates

seems to me that people who are starving could use food.
Of course, during the Great Depression, the idea to help farmers was to slaughter pigs by the thousands and destroy crop fields, to reduce supply.
Yes, when people are starving, let's just let food rot.
Nothing shows you care like that, eh?

IIRC the government is still subsidizing non-production of food crops eh?

716 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:48:21am

re: #697 christheprofessor

The next time I see some, I'll scoop it up and snail-mail it to you....

I would so appreciate that! I looked for some online a couple of years back and the only sample I could find was something like $20 plus shipping. I did find seeds and considered attempting to grow a plant, but something tells me that would not come to fruition here in VT.

717 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:48:24am

re: #703 EC Marm

not to mention that you'd have to use fields that, currently, are needed for food.

There is some bug going around europe/asia that is destroying wheat.... and we're dicking around with making corn so we can make government subsidized fuel that uses vast fields.

While I agree that there could be some development there, there are more pressing needs for the land that override a government subsidized money pit.

Now, the ONLY way I would suggest it is if we harvest the corn for food but use the chaff for fuel.

However, the research is not going in THAT direction.

718 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:48:34am

re: #714 looking closely

No, I didn't forget that at all.

Lieberman may not be a Democrat, but he sure isn't a Republican.

Lieberman is still VERY Liberal on social issues...

719 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:48:56am

re: #690 looking closely

Well, some Indian tribes didn't exactly stay with the Indian side during the French-and-Indian Wars of the time...

720 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:49:10am

re: #708 tfc3rid

Here is the key point that people of that ilk must realize...

YOU ARE NOT THAT IMPORTANT!

nah, man... that's like what they WANT you to think, man....

... pass the weed, dude....

721 jcm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:49:35am

re: #675 LanceKates

Possible aliens in Phoenix.

The, uh, ET kind.... not the illegal immigrant kind.

I've seen lights just like that in CO, while at the AF Academy.

Flare ships dropping flares for night exercises at Ft. Carson.

722 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:50:01am

re: #713 bosforus

Imagine that. They got bored in Phoenix. Who would've guessed?

They heard there was a kegger in Wyoming.

Boy will they be pissed.

723 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:50:44am

re: #715 sparrowlake

they sure are, and even have subsidies for angora wool from decades ago.

Don't expect that to change anytime soon... ESPECIALLY not during an election year.

724 wanumba  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:51:06am

re: #707 MandyManners

New Madrid "out there"?


It was the massive quake centered in New Madrid, MO that actually made the river flow backwards - was it the Missouri River or Mississippi River?

New Madrid is pronounced New Maah-drid, not like Madrid, Spain. (In case MiguelinMexico is perusing this thread anytime soon).

725 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:51:09am

re: #720 LanceKates

nah, man... that's like what they WANT you to think, man....

... pass the weed, dude....

Yeah, it all goes back to their parent's telling them over and over that their poop don't stink...

Life's lessons are hard, you just have to wade through them and come out stronger!

726 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:52:04am

re: #724 wanumba

It was the massive quake centered in New Madrid, MO that actually made the river flow backwards - was it the Missouri River or Mississippi River?

New Madrid is pronounced New Maah-drid, not like Madrid, Spain. (In case MiguelinMexico is perusing this thread anytime soon).


The Mississippi River that was made to 'flow backwards' following the New Madrid quake in I think 1812.

727 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:52:07am

re: #699 LanceKates

yes and no. He is 'officially' an Independent, but upon winning the election, the Democrats coddled him again and he agreed to function as one of them.

Right. He's dead-on where the war is concerned, but he didn't suddenly become pro-life, for limited government, pro-2nd Amendment, etc.

He's still a Democrat in everything but name.

728 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:52:13am

re: #721 jcm

I've seen lights just like that in CO, while at the AF Academy.

Flare ships dropping flares for night exercises at Ft. Carson.

Sure... you're, like, one of those dissemination people.... Power to the Truth!

*grin*

I, for one, believe it is possible that there is life on other planets, but find it to be the high point of vanity to assume that such life is visiting us to shove anal probes up the backside of drunk people in the hills of rural areas.

729 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:52:47am

re: #717 LanceKates

not to mention that you'd have to use fields that, currently, are needed for food.

There is some bug going around europe/asia that is destroying wheat.... and we're dicking around with making corn so we can make government subsidized fuel that uses vast fields.

While I agree that there could be some development there, there are more pressing needs for the land that override a government subsidized money pit.

Now, the ONLY way I would suggest it is if we harvest the corn for food but use the chaff for fuel.

However, the research is not going in THAT direction.

Note only that, corn is HARD on crop land. Requires a lot of fertilizer for any significant yield. The Iroquois had to move their villages completely every 7 years or so because the land would be completely played out. Best practices these days is to raise corn on land no more than one year out of three.

730 bosforus  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:52:55am

re: #722 LanceKates

They heard there was a kegger in Wyoming.

Boy will they be pissed.

They probably got wind that the airline industry is in a pinch and are checking out the market. Who wouldn't take a cheaper flight or better service even from a UFO?

731 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:53:00am

re: #725 tfc3rid

Yeah, it all goes back to their parent's telling them over and over that their poop don't stink...

Life's lessons are hard, you just have to wade through them and come out stronger!

lol.. very true.

732 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:53:01am

re: #726 tfc3rid

The Mississippi River that was made to 'flow backwards' following the New Madrid quake in I think 1812.

And created Reelfoot Lake.

733 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:53:10am

re: #728 LanceKates

Sure... you're, like, one of those dissemination people.... Power to the Truth!

*grin*

I, for one, believe it is possible that there is life on other planets, but find it to be the high point of vanity to assume that such life is visiting us to shove anal probes up the backside of drunk people in the hills of rural areas.

Yeah, I think they are just reps. of Obama out to screw the 'rednecks' out of their guns, ammo and of course, Jesus.

734 looking closely  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:53:37am

re: #711 galloping granny
I am happy to use whatever term is preferred, be it "Native American", "American Indian", "American indigenous peoples", or what-have you.

Perhaps I am mistaken, but as far as I know there is no consensus on that, despite the obviously well-meaning intentions of the individual you quoted.

735 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:53:38am

re: #727 Ward Cleaver

Right. He's dead-on where the war is concerned, but he didn't suddenly become pro-life, for limited government, pro-2nd Amendment, etc.

He's still a Democrat in everything but name.

exactly. Though it is important to note that, apart from recent WORDS from McCain, Lieberman is to the right of McCain on Gun Control.

736 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:54:00am

re: #727 Ward Cleaver

There was a term for it... "9/11 Republican" it was?

737 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:54:33am

re: #729 galloping granny

Note only that, corn is HARD on crop land. Requires a lot of fertilizer for any significant yield. The Iroquois had to move their villages completely every 7 years or so because the land would be completely played out. Best practices these days is to raise corn on land no more than one year out of three.


Yup, I used to live in a place surrounded by farm fields. Alternated soy and corn.

Odd point to note, when soy was down, people would sneak in to plant pot.

738 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:54:45am

re: #732 Ward Cleaver

And created Reelfoot Lake.

And that quake was felt all the way to Boston and New York... Mostly because of the geologic characteristics of the Eastern United States...

739 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:55:06am

re: #729 galloping granny

Note only that, corn is HARD on crop land. Requires a lot of fertilizer for any significant yield. The Iroquois had to move their villages completely every 7 years or so because the land would be completely played out. Best practices these days is to raise corn on land no more than one year out of three.

That's right. Crop rotation was one of the big lessons learned from the Great Depression. Around where I live, they rotate between corn and wheat (and sometimes grain sorghum).

740 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:55:15am

re: #719 laZardo

Well, some Indian tribes didn't exactly stay with the Indian side during the French-and-Indian Wars of the time...

"French and Indian Wars" really is a misnomer. It should be called the "British and French in North America Wars" and actually is sometimes referred to as Queen Anne's and several others.

741 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:55:53am

re: #736 laZardo

There was a term for it... "9/11 Republican" it was?

Yes, there are plenty of those.

742 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:56:00am

re: #724 wanumba

It was the massive quake centered in New Madrid, MO that actually made the river flow backwards - was it the Missouri River or Mississippi River?

New Madrid is pronounced New Maah-drid, not like Madrid, Spain. (In case MiguelinMexico is perusing this thread anytime soon).

Know all about it. I was raised in the area. The quakes in the early 19th Century made the Mississippi River flow backwards and created Reelfoot Lake. It collapsed other portions of the ground and created some pretty interesting geography elsewhere.

743 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:56:13am

re: #740 galloping granny

As - and I might assume - they still call it "The War of the States" in certain parts of the 48...

744 jcm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:56:54am

That high successful candidate George McGovern chimes in on McCain.

Let me tell you what I would say to John McCain: neither of us is an expert on national defense. It's true that you went to one of the service academies but you were in the bottom of the class. It's true that you were a pilot in Vietnam, that you were shot down and spent most of the war in prison and we all sympathize with that and honor you for your courage. But you and I both had these battle experiences, you as a Navy fighter plane, I as an army bomber. I am not going to criticize your war record and your knowledge of national security but I don't want you criticizing mine either.

If I'd be allowed just one little dig at Senator McCain, since he gave me. I would say, 'John, you were shot down early in the war and spent most of the time in prison. I flew 35 combat missions with a 10-man crew and brought them home safely every time.'

745 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:57:04am

FRANKFURT, Germany (AP) - The euro has risen past $1.60, the latest in a string of record highs for the 15-nation currency.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

746 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:57:09am

re: #742 MandyManners

Cool! That sort of stuff really interests the geek in me!

Like here in NYC, there is a fault line running below 125th Street in Harlem...

747 incanus  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:58:10am

re: #469 LanceKates

PA People, help me out.

THis morning FOX had a report from what it said was a polling place.

There were a decent number of people waving Hillary signs and chanting, and had been ther for some time already.

Now, I always thought such things were not allowed at polling places... is PA different in that regard?

They must have changed the rules a few years ago ... in 2004 there was a moonbat fest at my polling place. Must have been over 200 Kerry signs jammed in the grass.

748 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:58:40am

re: #746 tfc3rid

Cool! That sort of stuff really interests the geek in me!

Like here in NYC, there is a fault line running below 125th Street in Harlem...

I hope the buildings are stronger than they are in Memphis. When the next one hits the New Madrid area, Memphis is gonna' be flattened.

749 storagemanager  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 7:58:55am
WHYY: At the end of the call, the President, evidently unaware that he was still on the line, revealed his feelings about that line of questioning saying, "I don't think I should take any sh*t from anybody about that, do you?"

[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

750 christheprofessor  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:00:02am

re: #501 looking closely

You know, you'd think individuals who are literally auditioning to be leaders of the free world *might* be able to tolerate a few pointed questions from people they don't necessarily agree with ideologically.

If they can't do that, how on earth are they supposed to be President?

One would think so...

/sorry for the delay in responding -- just saw it (my computer is slow on long threads)...

751 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:00:06am

re: #744 jcm

If I'd be allowed just one little dig at Senator McCain, since he gave me. I would say, 'John, you were shot down early in the war and spent most of the time in prison. I flew 35 combat missions with a 10-man crew and brought them home safely every time.'

As if McCain was at fault. McGovern flew high-altitude bombing missions, and was fortunate to not get shot down, while McCain flew close air support, and was not so fortunate.

McGovern should STFU.

752 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:00:15am

re: #748 MandyManners

Our highways are designed to withstand a quake but I doubt most brick structures here are (which are most houses).

753 yochanan  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:00:48am

?

754 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:00:53am

re: #730 bosforus

They probably got wind that the airline industry is in a pinch and are checking out the market. Who wouldn't take a cheaper flight or better service even from a UFO?

the flight might be shorter, but the security checkpoint is a pain.

755 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:01:00am

re: #700 tfc3rid

Psychopaths... Of course there are earthquakes out there... New Madrid anyone? It would not surprise me if these quakes are fore-shocks to a larger quake...

It's possible. In 1811-12, the New Madrid system itself had three spectacular quakes estimated to be around 8 in magnitude. The Wabash Fault System is suspected to be a northen extension of the New Madrid system, but has never done more than a 5.4 magnitude in recorded history (since 1900). However, a 7 would not be unheard of for it.

Basically, the whole fault system down there is thought to be a failed rift system, left over from the creation of the Atlantic Ocean. Rift systems usually start out with a triple-point junction, and usually only two of the arms become viable with the thrid one withering and dying. Sometimes the third arm can continue to be a weak spot in the Earth's crust for a long time after the initial rift.

For those who don't completely know the Wabash system is from near Terre Haute, Indiana south to Paducah, Kentucky, along the Wabash and Ohio Rivers. The New Madrid system seems to extend from near Cairo, Illinois to just north of Memphis, Tennessee. These faults are buried under hundreds of feet of sediment in some areas, and show absolutely no signs on the surface. This is very different than most fault lines observed in a place like California where there is a lot of evidence of the surface for the fault.

756 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:01:12am

re: #749 storagemanager

What call is that referring to?

757 jcm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:01:26am

re: #728 LanceKates

Sure... you're, like, one of those dissemination people.... Power to the Truth!

*grin*

I, for one, believe it is possible that there is life on other planets, but find it to be the high point of vanity to assume that such life is visiting us to shove anal probes up the backside of drunk people in the hills of rural areas.

I'm agnostic on the alien thing. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely, not so sure.

If they are out there, they are very far away, and unless physics isn't what we think it is (also possible), getting here is problematic.

My theory is we are just a farm for aliens, they become to harvest the crop (us) soon.
/

I remember when the Phoenix lights video first aired. It looked and behaved just like the flares I'd seen dozens of times over Ft. Carson.

758 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:01:51am

re: #734 looking closely

I am happy to use whatever term is preferred, be it "Native American", "American Indian", "American indigenous peoples", or what-have you.

Perhaps I am mistaken, but as far as I know there is no consensus on that, despite the obviously well-meaning intentions of the individual you quoted.

The American Indian Movement is the oldest and largest of its kind. Carlos Nikai is considered to be the premier American Indian musician alive and he is a household name among tribal members in the US. The only "non consensus" that I know of comes from Ward Chamberlain types rather than card-carrying tribal members.

In Canada the preferred term (perhaps fostered by the Canadian government) is "aboriginal peoples." Here in the US tribal members don't particularly care for that term because of the negative associations with the way that the aborigines of Australia have historically been presented.

759 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:02:24am

re: #743 laZardo

As - and I might assume - they still call it "The War of the States" in certain parts of the 48...

War BETWEEN the States.

760 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:02:49am

re: #726 tfc3rid

The Mississippi River that was made to 'flow backwards' following the New Madrid quake in I think 1812.

The river ran backward during the quake and just after due to a change in topography caused by the quake. One of the quakes also created Reelfoot Lake.

761 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:02:52am

re: #757 jcm

I know there are many UFO sightings every year.... people assume it means aliens.

it just means an unidentified flying object.

Most of them DO turn out to be flares or balloons, etc.

762 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:02:57am

re: #748 MandyManners

I hope the buildings are stronger than they are in Memphis. When the next one hits the New Madrid area, Memphis is gonna' be flattened.

The loss of life could be staggering.

763 Andopolis  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:03:42am

So one of my favorite bands just started promoting Obama on their Myspace... that's them right off my top friends list (second one so far). Maybe I'll send them a copy of "Shut up and Sing"

764 jcm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:04:16am

re: #751 Ward Cleaver

As if McCain was at fault. McGovern flew high-altitude bombing missions, and was fortunate to not get shot down, while McCain flew close air support, and was not so fortunate.

McGovern should STFU.

Mostly luck IMHO with bombers in WWII. Not like they could maneuver to avoid flak and fighters. Bomber crews earned our eternal gratitude. Those guys had huge brass ones.

Some where before McGovern ran for Pres he lost his.

765 looking closely  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:04:28am

re: #751 Ward Cleaver

As if McCain was at fault. McGovern flew high-altitude bombing missions, and was fortunate to not get shot down, while McCain flew close air support, and was not so fortunate.

McGovern should STFU.


Its really a stupid line of attack.

McCain isn't Kerry *OR* Bush, and he legitimately *is* an American military hero in any sense of the term.

He may have been last in his class at the Naval academy, but *at least he graduated the Naval Academy".

One could argue that's its irrelevant to his ability to serve as President, and maybe that's valid, but attacking his record is only going to backfire.

766 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:04:59am

re: #761 LanceKates

There were sightings of something earlier this year in Stephensville, Texas... There are police cruiser videos and stuff out there... Military craft flying runs over the area 'chasing' the lights, etc...

Google it up... Interesting stuff...

767 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:05:42am

re: #743 laZardo

As - and I might assume - they still call it "The War of the States" in certain parts of the 48...

In reference to the French and Indian Wars, it really was a series of wars begin in Europe between the French and the British that carried over into North America. It was about economics, pure and simple, and who would control the fur trade.

768 bosforus  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:06:25am

re: #754 LanceKates

the flight might be shorter, but the security checkpoint is a pain.

LOL!

769 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:06:43am

re: #745 storagemanager

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Frogs will no longer be on the list of species of significant concern in Florida. Or will they?

770 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:06:51am

re: #758 galloping granny

The American Indian Movement is the oldest and largest of its kind. Carlos Nikai is considered to be the premier American Indian musician alive and he is a household name among tribal members in the US. The only "non consensus" that I know of comes from Ward Chamberlain Churchill types rather than card-carrying tribal members.

In Canada the preferred term (perhaps fostered by the Canadian government) is "aboriginal peoples." Here in the US tribal members don't particularly care for that term because of the negative associations with the way that the aborigines of Australia have historically been presented.

PIMF

771 jcm  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:06:59am

re: #761 LanceKates

I know there are many UFO sightings every year.... people assume it means aliens.

it just means an unidentified flying object.

Most of them DO turn out to be flares or balloons, etc.

Never seen one. I've seen WTF is that, but on watching it always turns out to be something explainable.

So far no one has even come up with a decent picture.

772 bosforus  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:07:21am

re: #754 LanceKates

the flight might be shorter, but the security checkpoint is a pain.

On second thought, I don't think I need a cavity search every time I fly.

773 laZardo  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:09:10am

re: #759 galloping granny

Ah. Sorry for the semantics.

774 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:10:07am

re: #766 tfc3rid

My father and I were watching one of those UFO shows and he looked REALLY close at the screen as some UFO-guy was being interviewed... real tin foil hat type.

My dad turned to me and said "I know that guy. I used to work with him."

775 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:11:32am

re: #771 jcm

Never seen one. I've seen WTF is that, but on watching it always turns out to be something explainable.

So far no one has even come up with a decent picture.

well, in the same way, people rarely get pictures of accidents, but we know they happen WAY more than ufo sightings.

same could be said for plane crashes... etc.

I just find it kind of vain that we think we're so important so as to justify an alien species coming here to study us.

776 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:11:54am

re: #772 bosforus

On second thought, I don't think I need a cavity search every time I fly.

heh. There's a reason why I drive.

777 wanumba  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:12:00am

Some hopeful signs of sanity:(some of this linked via gatewaypundit)
1) Mookie's family is evidently disowning him
2) After S. African dockworkers refused to offload Chinese weapons bound for Mugabe, Bush has warned neighboring countries to not allow that shipment to get into Mugabe's hands. Shame on Mbeki of S. Africa. Warning: if Mugabe gets way with his destruction of Zimbabwe, Mbeki might be emboldened to evicerate South Africa likewise, with other neighboring government following suit. Thus Bush's warning to the governments there is extremely important for the support of Democracy and human rights in the region.
3) Southern Sudan is conducting it's first ever census. It's a concrete step to preparing for the 2011 national referendum on independence. A census may seem like nothing much, but it is critical and the result of fierce politicking before and after - so a lot is at stake.
4) Regrettably, LRA commander Joseph Kone failed to show up for the final signing of the peace accords for the LRA to dissolve and end its terror campaign. More children have just been taken as hostages , but encouragingly, another top LRA commander has been killed : in-house squabbles. There is real tension now between the LRA soldiers, who all started as child abductees and want normalcy and the LRA leadership which wants to avoid being held responsible for what it has done.

778 wanumba  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:13:49am

re: #726 tfc3rid

The Mississippi River that was made to 'flow backwards' following the New Madrid quake in I think 1812.

Just don't let word leak back to my relations that I forgot which river. Will never hear the end of it! (:-D)

779 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:15:36am

re: #772 bosforus

On second thought, I don't think I need a cavity search every time I fly.

Socialized medicine at the airport - free cavity searches?

780 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:16:18am

re: #779 sparrowlake

Socialized medicine at the airport - free cavity searches?

well heck, as long as it is free

/ liberal sheep

781 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:16:43am

Airport security is awesome...

When I fly out of NYC, the best is going through the metal detector lines that are 'off' and the TSA 'agents' taking their jobs seriously...

782 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:17:46am

re: #781 tfc3rid

Airport security is awesome...

When I fly out of NYC, the best is going through the metal detector lines that are 'off' and the TSA 'agents' taking their jobs seriously...

There's a whole process involved in bringing your gun with you on a flight... it involves multiple inspections and their own breechlocks, etc.

Almost makes it easier to just carry it with you through the nonfunctioning metal detectors... heh.

783 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:17:53am

re: #671 BabbaZee

[BLINK]

Thanks. I'll have to read this later.

784 incanus  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:26:00am

re: #747 incanus

They must have changed the rules a few years ago ... in 2004 there was a moonbat fest at my polling place. Must have been over 200 Kerry signs jammed in the grass.

BTW I am not in PA :/

785 soulpile  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:27:26am

re: #775 LanceKates

...
I just find it kind of vain that we think we're so important so as to justify an alien species coming here to study us.

That sums up what I've always thought about human attitudes towards alien life. I don't think humans or the Earth are all so special. Possibly, it's really a matter of projection. Wouldn't humans do something similar if they found a planet bearing "alien" life? Doesn't mean that if there's alien life out there, they'd be so rude.

(I can't believe I missed the second instance of the UFO lights! They were fun the last time.)

786 profitsbeard  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:28:09am

re: #667 LanceKates

well, I don't know that it is economically feesible.

Ethanol still operates by government subsidy and is STILL expensive.

Not only do we buy it at the pump, but we fund it before it ever gets there.

Some say 5 a gallon before the end of summer. I drive 33 miles, one way, to work each day.

Ethanol blend also eats away at rubber/plastic gaskets in your vehicle as I recently found out when my check engine light mysteriously came on.

$350 to replace an eroded engine gasket.

Can I bill the people who put the ethanol in without warning me?

787 irongrampa  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:32:24am

Good morning, good people ,from New York, site of yet another superb spring day. Going to be the day I get the brand new 68 Plymouth out for a road trip--something I've been looking forward to with enthusiasm.

788 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:35:59am

re: #786 profitsbeard

Ethanol blend also eats away at rubber/plastic gaskets in your vehicle as I recently found out when my check engine light mysteriously came on.

$350 to replace an eroded engine gasket.

Can I bill the people who put the ethanol in without warning me?

I remember a bit stink that came out when the automanufacturers wanted to let the use of ethanol void the warranty.

Enviro-weenies went insane. Calls about 'helping big oil' and calls that they 'rape the earth' were rampant.

The truth is, it does damage the engine, which is why they wanted to let its use void the warranty, as it isn't 'normal wear and tear'

Leave it to the left to solve a problem by creating a larger one.

789 irongrampa  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:41:36am

re: #788 LanceKates

Yes, another example of unintended consequences.

790 Bosch Fawstin  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:46:02am

Good morning, everyone. Here's my latest Pigman piece where I highlight his right shoulder badge, 184 . It's a way for me to commemorate a part of that day that does seem to go overlooked.

791 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:48:23am

re: #789 irongrampa

sometimes I wonder about the unintended part.

Politicians can't be that stupid all of the time.

792 irongrampa  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:52:07am

re: #791 LanceKates

Given the current Congress, that isn't a real stretch.

793 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 8:55:49am

re: #792 irongrampa

Given the current Congress, that isn't a real stretch.

Yeah.... if only we could get conservatives voted in.

Of course, people would have to WANT personal responsibility....

794 USS Ben  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:11:52am

re: #490 Ben Hur

Trust me, they are lyin'! Truly it's a miserable disease.

795 flrdalynn  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:25:32am

re: #48 goddessoftheclassroom


"Mark Twain once wrote that we didn't know whether or not there was life after death. But soon enough we would know, so why fret about it?"

Actually we'll only know if there is life after death if there is life after death because if there isn't we won't know because we won't even have life after death long enough to think "Crap! There's no life after death!"
LOL
I guess that's why it's called "faith" with some hope and trust to spice it up

Thanks to all who welcomed me yesterday, I spent the rest of the day picking fleas off of my lab/border collie. I hate ticks and fleas!

796 USS Ben  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:29:14am

re: #795 flrdalynn

Well, count me in as a believer. If I'm wrong, I look foreward to all the "I told you so's." :^)

797 UFO TOFU  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:32:10am

re: #786 profitsbeard
Wait until you have to start peeing into your muffler.

798 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:34:26am

re: #795 flrdalynn

Welcome, flrdalynn!
"It is better to live your life as if there were a God and find out there isn't than to live your life as if there were no God and find out there is."
I don't remember who said that, but it's good advice!

799 m  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:34:34am

re: #797 UFO TOFU

!

That'll cause some looky-lous wrecks fer sure!

800 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:37:04am

{m}!
How you doin', girl?

801 UFO TOFU  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:38:24am

re: #799 m
Bleh, the bill containing those emission regs is just under thirty pages long.
How much longer 'till I can retire?
Never mind.

802 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:39:19am

re: #766 tfc3rid

There were sightings of something earlier this year in Stephensville, Texas... There are police cruiser videos and stuff out there... Military craft flying runs over the area 'chasing' the lights, etc...

Google it up... Interesting stuff...

Why is it that aliens choose to reveal themselves to rednecks with mullets and no teeth?

803 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:40:03am

re: #801 UFO TOFU

Bleh, the bill containing those emission regs is just under thirty pages long.
How much longer 'till I can retire?
Never mind.

Come to Arkansas with me...we can be greeters at WalMart!

804 UFO TOFU  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:41:33am

re: #803 redstateredneck
It's a deal! I can help Mr. redstate build your house.

805 m  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:43:01am

re: #800 redstateredneck

{m}!
How you doin', girl?



{Redstatesweetheart}!
Hey sunshine! I'm doing pretty good :) How about you? I miss you (wo)man!

806 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:43:23am

Holy Crap, people!

807 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:43:34am

:D m! redstate! Ufo!

808 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:45:11am

re: #807 LanceKates

:D m! redstate! Ufo!

It's a re-union!

809 UFO TOFU  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:45:56am

re: #803 redstateredneck
You'd probably be surprised at the number of old buses I've sold to Californians moving to Arkansas. They'd remove the seats, load up all their belongings, drive to their new home, and either re-sell the bus or park it out back for storage.

810 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:46:30am

re: #808 redstateredneck

It's a re-union!

Does that mean we all have to drive rented cars and lie about our jobs to try and impress one another?

"Yes, I'm a secret agent....."

811 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:46:58am

re: #809 UFO TOFU

I'd like to get a 'short bus' and turn it into a camper.

812 UFO TOFU  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:50:11am

re: #811 LanceKates
I wish I would have saved some of my older, more unique equipment. There's a guy in Riverside that has a small fleet of vintage buses that he leases regularly to Hollywood producers.
/always looking for an angle.

813 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:50:40am

re: #810 LanceKates

Does that mean we all have to drive rented cars and lie about our jobs to try and impress one another?

"Yes, I'm a secret agent....."

My older daughter works for a rental company and she was actually asked if she would remove the rental sticker from the back of the car so the guy could "impress his ladyfriend".
:D

814 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:51:34am

re: #811 LanceKates

I'd like to get a 'short bus' and turn it into a camper.

We call those the special ed buses.
I know, I'm sorry! I meant no offense.

815 UFO TOFU  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:52:28am

re: #814 redstateredneck
I thought I'd leave that one alone...

816 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:53:04am

re: #812 UFO TOFU

if they run on diesel, get converters so they run on fryer oil, then paint them up with all sorts of enviro-weenie references on the sides and sell it to San Fran.

re: #813 redstateredneck

Heh... I did rent a car to go to Dallas to meet up with some friends, but it wasn't to impress anyone. I rented a hybrid to save gas money. Thing got worse mileage than my car. Hybrids just aren't made for long distance trips with no stops.. heh.

817 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:53:36am

re: #814 redstateredneck

We call those the special ed buses.
I know, I'm sorry! I meant no offense.

I was going to call the the spec-ed bus, but I was afraid that I'd 'offend' too many people. lol.

818 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:54:42am
819 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:55:19am

re: #815 UFO TOFU

I thought I'd leave that one alone...


Hey, you said short bus. That could be offensive to the vertically challenged!

820 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:56:29am

re: #819 redstateredneck

Hey, you said short bus. That could be offensive to the vertically challenged!

yeah, but what can that do? gnaw on my knees?

/ evil

821 UFO TOFU  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:56:30am
get converters so they run on fryer oil


And risk the wrath of The Fuel Tax Police?

Then again, diesel prices are freakin' killing me...

822 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:57:27am

Speaking of special ed, our girl scouts hosted their annual prom for the handicapped last Friday. A large time was had by all!
"YMCA" is a big crowd favorite. Also, "Locomotion" and "Shout".

823 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:58:14am

re: #821 UFO TOFU

And risk the wrath of The Fuel Tax Police?

Then again, diesel prices are freakin' killing me...

We're seeing a lot more of our freight being shipped by rail.

824 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:58:19am

re: #821 UFO TOFU

And risk the wrath of The Fuel Tax Police?

Then again, diesel prices are freakin' killing me...

hey, you're just making it and selling it to the lefty cities... let THEM worry about the taxes.

825 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 9:59:48am

re: #823 redstateredneck

We're seeing a lot more of our freight being shipped by rail.

I almost became a railroad worker. Local company in MN had some jobs open for the engineers. work as an assistant for a few months, then you're running your own engine.

would have been nice... but just didn't pay enough.

826 UFO TOFU  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:04:39am

re: #823 redstateredneck
I'll bet. Parts suppliers that used to make daily deliverys are down to once a week. I'm hurting, but I really feel for the little owner-operaters. Truck repos in 2007 were 100% above 2006. And it looks like it's going to get worse before it gets better.

827 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:06:02am

re: #826 UFO TOFU

big companies will be all that is left, I think, in trucking.

O/Os will be pushed out. It isn't worth the money when you spend more than you get in, just for fuel.

You CAN pass along the cost, but then you lose runs.

828 EllisGee  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:07:56am

Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.
And terrorism is a tactic.

829 m  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:08:02am

re: #819 redstateredneck

It is!

I'm offended!

/vertically challenged

830 m  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:08:21am

re: #820 LanceKates

*evil eye*

831 UFO TOFU  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:09:04am

m's staring at Lance's knee?

832 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:09:08am

re: #829 m

re: #830 m

I've seen pictures. You can gnaw on my knee anytime.

*wink*

833 m  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:10:26am

re: #831 UFO TOFU

Belly button lint.

;-)

834 m  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:11:08am

Oh Lance ~ *double hugs* for that one ;-)

835 UFO TOFU  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:12:39am

re: #827 LanceKates
I was speaking with a CHP officer this morning about that. As opposed to before, when he would just show up at a yard to perform an inspection, he now calls first to see if they're still in business.

836 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:14:04am

well, it is official.

Oklahoma City is going to host the Sonics.

Extra taxes passed on us oklahoma city folk, in order to afford MAJOR tax breaks on the team.

All I'll get from it is more crowded city streets as there will be demands for more public transportation.

A city of quantity does not equal a city of quality. I wish they could understand that.

837 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:14:34am

re: #834 m

Oh Lance ~ *double hugs* for that one ;-)

:D I'll take them!

838 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:15:27am

re: #835 UFO TOFU

I was speaking with a CHP officer this morning about that. As opposed to before, when he would just show up at a yard to perform an inspection, he now calls first to see if they're still in business.

I got an application, once, for a job at a delivery company. I filled it out and, the next day, brought it back.

During the night, they cleared everything out and shut down. All I saw through the windows were some papers on the floor.

839 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:19:34am

The EU 'welcomes' more gun control.

I'm sure they do. Socialism and all...

840 Texas Heathen  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:21:24am

Feels like forever since I last got my LGF fix. Almost forgot my login.

{m}{redstate}
wassup Lance

841 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:22:41am

{ { {HEATHEN} } } ! ! !

842 UFO TOFU  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:23:46am

Someone uttered some sexual innuendo and I missed it?
Hey Heathen, you're still alive?

843 Texas Heathen  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:24:44am

re: #841 redstateredneck

{ { {HEATHEN} } } ! ! !

Thanks red. that really made me smile. :D

844 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:25:39am

speaking of people who are 'special' . . ..

More calls for gun control by idiots.

Let's pick apart his points:

1. Write a letter to the editor of their school newspaper calling on school administrators to keep guns off school property and to develop safety plans that don't include arming students and faculty.

Duh, it is already illegal to have guns on school property, even locked in your car (which is otherwise considered private property). There are no school plans that DO involve arming students and faculty. It is illegal for them to be armed so all plans are based on a wholly unarmed campus.... which is why things like Virginia Tech happened in the first place.

2. Contact the college president's office or their class president and voice their opposition to the arming of students and faculty as a solution to potential violence on campus. Let them know that more guns on school property will only lead to more violence and encourage them to take a stand on this important issue.

Typical lefty insanity. In this statement, they are suggesting that anyone with a firearm is akin to the psycho that did the virginia tech shooting.

CCW programs are for those over the age of 21. Therefore, you're looking at a few select seniors, returning students and discharged soldiers.

Yet they deal with it like we're wanting to arm kindergarden students and tell them that guns distribute candy when you pull the trigger.

Bastards don't understand that THEY are responsible for the increase in school violence. Only EVIL people are armed at school, with no one good to stop them.

When seconds count, police are minutes away. Think about that, you pot-smoking neo-hippie.

845 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:26:03am

re: #843 Texas Heathen

Have you been to any exotic locales?

846 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:26:04am

re: #840 Texas Heathen

Feels like forever since I last got my LGF fix. Almost forgot my login.

{m}{redstate}
wassup Lance

Hey Heathen!

847 Texas Heathen  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:27:07am

re: #842 UFO TOFU

Someone uttered some sexual innuendo and I missed it?
Hey Heathen, you're still alive?

Alive and kicking. Did someone say "sex ya'all in a window"?

848 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:27:54am

re: #847 Texas Heathen

Alive and kicking. Did someone say "sex ya'all in a window"?

well, we referenced m gnawing on my knees...

849 UFO TOFU  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:29:45am

re: #847 Texas Heathen
How's your line of work holding up? Isn't your industry more along the lines of discretionary spending?

850 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:31:21am

TOFU! Check it out; I found your conversion.
It's perfect.
:D

851 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:31:58am

re: #849 UFO TOFU

How's your line of work holding up? Isn't your industry more along the lines of discretionary spending?

He works for rich mofo's, not the huddled masses.

852 Texas Heathen  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:32:05am

re: #845 redstateredneck

Have you been to any exotic locales?

Puerto Vallarta. 3 weeks ago.
Actually it was about 30 minutes from PV airport. The last night I was there the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders gave a special show for some people at the marina. They were about 150 yards away but I could still hear it and see it pretty good. The captain of the boat I was working on helped out by lending me some pretty powerful binoculars.

853 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:32:54am

re: #852 Texas Heathen

Excellent!

854 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:34:28am

Disney to make department to make enviro-nut films.
I thought they had one called Disney.

I'd love to see a 'hunter-neutral' Bambi, in which hunters were outlawed and bambi and his parents die of starvation from deer overpopulation.

855 Texas Heathen  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:35:49am

re: #849 UFO TOFU

How's your line of work holding up? Isn't your industry more along the lines of discretionary spending?

As long as the Dems don't bring back the luxury tax everything will be ok. Millionaires still want their toys.

856 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:36:58am

re: #852 Texas Heathen

High school Cheerleaders become college cheerleaders, then go on to be pro football cheerleaders...... then what?

857 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:37:25am

re: #855 Texas Heathen

As long as the Dems don't bring back the luxury tax everything will be ok. Millionaires still want their toys.

What? There are rich people not being 'sufficiently taxed'?

The outrage!

858 redstateredneck  Tue, Apr 22, 2008 10:37:50am

re: #856 LanceKates

High school Cheerleaders become college cheerleaders, then go on to be pro football cheerleaders...... then what?

They marry well and never have to work again.
Duh...