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Terrorist Fundraisers for Obama

Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:32:34 am PDT

Another big Barack Obama supporter: Hatem El-Hady, former chairman of the Toledo-based Islamic charity Kindhearts, closed by the US government in 2006 for terrorist fundraising: Terrorist Fundraisers for Obama.

El-Hady has now devoted himself to raising money for Barack Obama; he has a page at the official Obama campaign web site, with three “friends” listed on it: “Rick,” “Fatima from Toledo, Ohio,” and ... Michelle Obama.

Note: when someone is listed as a “friend,” it means they specifically chose it. In other words, Michelle Obama’s name isn’t there because El-Hady put it there — it’s there because she chose to be listed as his friend.

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1 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:33:11am

Paging "JustMyView"...

2 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:34:33am

re: #1 Occasional Reader

Paging "JustMyView"...

Zactly.

/but but but his friends don't matter...

3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:34:35am

"Peace & social justice" = anti-military & socialism

4 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:34:42am

Charles, something's funky about posting.

5 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:35:13am

re: #4 Occasional Reader

I can't rate this post either.

6 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:35:17am

Charles close tag needed on "Michelle Obama"

7 laZardo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:35:31am

They just keep getting bolder and bolder.

8 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:35:34am

Is it type all in bold day?

9 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:35:38am
The Department of Justice had a very different version of events. According to the DOJ, Kindhearts assumed the role of lead terrorist fundraising in the US after the government had closed other such Islamic "charities":

"KindHearts is the progeny of Holy Land Foundation and Global Relief Foundation, which attempted to mask their support for terrorism behind the façade of charitable giving," said Stuart Levey, Treasury Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence.

Not only was Kindhearts engaged in providing funds for HAMAS in Lebanon and the West Bank, it had hired as a fundraising specialist the man identified as the designated HAMAS bag man in the US, Mohammed El-Mezain.


Ouch.

10 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:35:49am

When I post or hit "new comments", it kicks me into a sort of blank page (except for the stuff at the top). My comment posts, but I have to click back into the thread. Anyone else getting this?

11 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:36:01am

Terrorist and Marxists and Che, OH MY!

12 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:36:14am

"Hatem has three friends."

BOOM!

"Hatem has two friends."

/hellfire

13 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:36:17am

I'm feeling bold today.

14 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:36:33am

Aw crap. Missed it.

15 zmdavid  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:36:37am

re: #10 Occasional Reader

When I post or hit "new comments", it kicks me into a sort of blank page (except for the stuff at the top). My comment posts, but I have to click back into the thread. Anyone else getting this?

Me too.

16 Persian Shoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:36:46am

Might this be Obammas' smoking gun?

17 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:36:52am

Hatem el-Hatie (Hady) sounds like a nonsense name from The Simpsons. E.g., Hooty McBooby. Shouty McLoud

18 Charles  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:36:57am

Testing...

19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:37:18am

re: #14 bosforus

Aw crap. Missed it.

FAIL

20 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:37:19am

Gramscian socialism is the caliphate's whore!

21 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:37:24am

Do we have the link for Achmedinejad's page at Obama's website yet?

22 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:37:29am

re: #15 zmdavid

Same here. What gives?

/damn hamsters on strike again

23 Charles  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:37:36am

re: #10 Occasional Reader

When I post or hit "new comments", it kicks me into a sort of blank page (except for the stuff at the top). My comment posts, but I have to click back into the thread. Anyone else getting this?

Not happening here - I suggest using the refresh button...

24 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:38:00am

Does one pronounce his name Ha'tem or Hate'm?

25 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:38:01am

re: #22 Fat Jolly Penguin

*gasp* It's working now!

26 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:38:08am

And it's just this thread. Previous one works fine.

27 laZardo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:38:09am

re: #18 Charles

Seems like it's going fine.

As for the subject of this article, there's only one thing I can say.

28 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:38:09am

Someone post this to the "Jews for Obama" web site someone linked to in the previous thread.
Oh, those "Jews" probably already think the more Israel gives to the Paliterrorists, the more likely there will be peace. Well, that's sort of true; once Israel gives everything away, the Palis won't be at war with Israel any more.

29 gymnast  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:38:17am

Un-official description of the Obama Campaign.

Where the shit hits the Sham!

30 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:38:18am

Wow.

Looks like Obama needs another waffle.

31 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:38:23am

Hm, now it's fixed. Evolution!

32 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:11am

A new Islamist superhero team: Hate'em and Megahed.

33 Pyrocles  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:18am

Damn, Obama makes Hillary look... look... GOOD... There, I said it :(.

Maybe that's the plan?! /dons tinfoil hat.

34 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:28am

Obama you either

love him

or you

Hatem

35 code red 21  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:29am

Does anyone really think that pointing out who supports Obama, terrorists, socialists, communists, and dictators, makes a bit of difference to his supporters? Obviously they don't give a damn or they wouldn't be supporting him and he wouldn't have gotten this far. It scares me to think that American voters are stupid enough even to consider that B.O. is even presidential material.

36 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:34am

HLF and GLF, great friends of the cause.

37 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:39am

Look everyone, a terrorist fundraiser that believes in equality, civil rights, peace,

At least he is 30,000th place, whatever that means.

38 trailortrash  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:49am

glad you got a screencap, with the lights thrown on they tend to scamper ;)

39 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:52am

re: #23 Charles

Not happening here - I suggest using the refresh button...

Worked for me...I got the blank page after posting a comment too.

Hope you're well today, Charles.

40 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:57am

Let's see what happens.

41 Roger  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:58am

re: #10 Occasional Reader

Are you behind a proxy? I get this for one computer case which is behind a not-so-good proxy but while connected directly as now it doesn't happen.

42 towm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:58am

#10 - yeah, same for me unless I go directly to 'login'

back to topic:

let's not forget the other "FoO" and "FoH"

43 zmdavid  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:01am

It works fine now. I only had the problem on this thread, not the earlier ones.

44 Charlie Martel  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:14am

Sleep tight America!

45 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:19am

working well here.

46 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:27am
Interests: Transportation and Infrastruction.


I'd keep my eye on that...

47 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:35am

re: #35 code red 21

Does anyone really think that pointing out who supports Obama, terrorists, socialists, communists, and dictators, makes a bit of difference to his supporters? Obviously they don't give a damn or they wouldn't be supporting him and he wouldn't have gotten this far. It scares me to think that American voters are stupid enough even to consider that B.O. is even presidential material.


Since his supporters fall into any or all of the above categories...no.

48 Rancher  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:39am

Won't matter.

49 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:42am

I just went to dictionarty.com and entered the word Taqiya and it said

See Kindhearts
50 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:50am

PIMF
Infrastructure!

51 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:51am

Hatem's issues include:

peace & social justice- read shari'a

and

economic fairness- read marxism.

And- I think it's funny- his name is Hatem.

52 gopninja  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:54am

The RNC is going to annihilate this guy.

53 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:56am

re: #44 Charlie Martel

Sleep tight America!

G'night!

54 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:41:02am

Funny, no pictures of the guy on the Obama site. Isn't there a mugshot of the guy somewhere?

55 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:41:10am
56 pat  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:41:34am

Damn it. Just let me eat my waffle!

57 mj  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:41:36am

Obama’s Pastor Urged Divestment from Israel, Called Zionism, Racism


The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for almost 40 years now. It took a divestment campaign to wake the business community up concerning the South Africa issue. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community up and to wake Americans up concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.
The Divestment issue will hit the floor during this month’s General Synod. Divesting dollars from businesses and banks that do business with Israel is the new strategy being proposed to wake the world up concerning the racism of Zionism. That Divestment issue won’t make the press either, however.

Pastor Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., July 2005

[Link: www.cmaucc.org...]

58 Pyrocles  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:41:39am

Most Obama supporters have been "educated" in schools over the past 40 years to see terrorists, socialists, communists, and dictators as the good guys. They agree that "evil" Amerikkka must become more like them through "change".

re: #35 code red 21

Does anyone really think that pointing out who supports Obama, terrorists, socialists, communists, and dictators, makes a bit of difference to his supporters? Obviously they don't give a damn or they wouldn't be supporting him and he wouldn't have gotten this far. It scares me to think that American voters are stupid enough even to consider that B.O. is even presidential material.

59 gopninja  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:41:47am

I mean GOP

60 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:42:02am

re: #35 code red 21

Does anyone really think that pointing out who supports Obama, terrorists, socialists, communists, and dictators, makes a bit of difference to his supporters? Obviously they don't give a damn or they wouldn't be supporting him and he wouldn't have gotten this far. It scares me to think that American voters are stupid enough even to consider that B.O. is even presidential material.

I think there are plenty of Dems out there (especially older folks) who have always voted Democratic, and who have been bamboozled by Obama's "hope" and "change". Stuff like this could be a deal-breaker for them, if they were only better-informed.

61 AKAK  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:42:26am

Wouldn't Secret Service people know this? oh yeah they can't say anything


on a different note


Amnesty: Ethiopia army slit throats in Somali mosque

54321...

62 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:42:26am

re: #31 Occasional Reader

Hm, now it's fixed. Evolution!

No. Charles created the fix.

63 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:42:29am

re: #55 buzzsawmonkey

Barack Obama (PBOH) seems to be the holiest candidate in Islam.

/Fixed?

64 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:42:40am

It will be a wee bit tougher for Barack to lie and say that he doesn't have close ties to this guy when you've got Michelle Obama showing up as his friend.

65 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:42:48am

I incorrectly posted GLF rather than GRF. I hope my marxist friends won't send me to Siberia for that. I want to support the collective, of course.

66 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:42:56am

re: #62 MandyManners

No. Charles created the fix.

BWAAAHAAAHAA!

67 thscott  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:43:04am

"...I'm asking you to believe in yours."

This is almost too Orwellian.

68 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:43:16am

re: #63 Bob in Breckenridge

/Fixed?

Dammit! PIMF- PBUH

69 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:43:18am

re: #35 code red 21

Does anyone really think that pointing out who supports Obama, terrorists, socialists, communists, and dictators, makes a bit of difference to his supporters? Obviously they don't give a damn or they wouldn't be supporting him and he wouldn't have gotten this far. It scares me to think that American voters are stupid enough even to consider that B.O. is even presidential material.

No, but a lot of folks don't pay a lot of attention until much later. Then when the undecideds are becoming decided it will make a difference.

70 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:43:32am

Hatem Elhady.


Dr. Hatem Elhady, president of Kind Hearts' board of directors, said it is still waiting.
...
Running a Muslim charity in America has become a "very risky business," Dr. Elhady said. He has gotten calls from other U.S. Muslim charities worried the government will shut them down, even if they've done nothing wrong. "They said that if this happens to Kind Hearts, and we were so strict about our money distribution, than everybody is targeted," he said.
71 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:43:42am

To save Obama the trouble of issuing a response, will offer the boiler plate. As you read it, imagine Whine-O presenting it to fawning reporters.

"Once again my campaign is being asked to waste time and effort responding to these distractions. Allow me to remind people that, just because my wife is friends with a terrorist fund raiser, and just because the official blogger of my campaign is a Marxist doesn't mean that I endorse or subscribe to those views.

I happen to know a guy who drives a Hummer - that doesn't mean I endorse the eco-terrorism that he does.

We are busy trying to save the world and these silly distractions don't belong in the new politics that we practice.

By the way, did you know that Hillary is a lesbian?"

72 Maximu§  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:43:49am

Any FBI field agents cruising through LGF today?

You might wanna check out this Hatem El-Hady.

73 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:43:54am

LGF certainly has an intelligent design to it.

74 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:44:07am

Yeah, and he's also friends with Senator Tom Coburn

/

75 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:44:10am

re: #64 lawhawk

It will be a wee bit tougher for Barack to lie and say that he doesn't have close ties to this guy when you've got Michelle Obama showing up as his friend.


I'll bet you a bottle of Tito's Vodka (good stuff) that Michelle will pull her friendship within the next 24 hours.

76 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:44:11am

Hatem is not America's friend. What about Hatem's friends?

77 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:44:21am

Tis merely a distraction.

78 surfer dude  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:44:27am

I have a business associate that is thoroughly convinced that Obama is a worshipper of Mo. I hope he doesn't see this or I will never hear the end of it.

If McCain went 24/7 on this evidence, Obama wouldn't get uno voto.

79 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:44:31am

re: #73 Oh no...Sand People!

LGF certainly has an intelligent design to it.

But it continues to evolve!

*ducks*

80 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:44:45am

I'm Hatem El-Hady

the real slim shady

81 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:44:50am

re: #54 lawhawk

Funny, no pictures of the guy on the Obama site. Isn't there a mugshot of the guy somewhere?

Should it worry me that this is one of the first pictures that showed up when I did a Google image search?

82 bunker buster  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:45:03am

He's gonna Hatem self some Jooos™, I bet.

83 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:45:09am

re: #71 karmic_inquisitor

To save Obama the trouble of issuing a response, will offer the boiler plate. As you read it, imagine Whine-O presenting it to fawning reporters.


rofl

84 realwest  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:45:12am

re: #50 NoSubmission

Hey No Sub, how are you doing? We knew what you meant, you didn't need that PIMF!

85 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:46:17am

re: #81 Fat Jolly Penguin

Should it worry me that this is one of the first pictures that showed up when I did a Google image search?

Warn us, I just ate breakfast!

GAHHH!

86 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:46:42am

re: #84 realwest

Hey No Sub, how are you doing? We knew what you meant, you didn't need that PIMF!


Hiya real!
I'm good, thanks. How about you?

87 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:46:43am

Obama's New Campaign Song

88 Dianna  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:46:47am

Michelle Obama? What is the problem with his staff? Are they nuts?

If nothing else, this just shows that he can't pick people.

89 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:47:00am

Elhady just dropped a place. From 30230 to 30231.

90 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:47:04am

re: #35 code red 21

To his commie supporters, no, a large block of those that vote Dem are decent but deceived.

91 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:47:11am

Kinda O/T, but cute, check it out-

[Link: www.totalmania.net...]

92 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:47:34am

re: #88 Dianna

Michelle Obama? What is the problem with his staff? Are they nuts?

If nothing else, this just shows that he can't pick people.

B- b- b- but the Iraq War!

93 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:48:05am
Another big Barack Obama supporter: Hatem El-Hady, former chairman of the Toledo-based Islamic charity Kindhearts, closed by the US government in 2006 for terrorist fundraising:

Mr. Obama said he was being unjustly linked to “somebody who engaged in detestable acts 2 years ago, when I was 45 years old.”

94 Rancher  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:48:13am

re: #61 AKAK
Secret Service will buy dope for your kid to keep him safe. The tales they could tell.

95 uncle_monkey  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:48:51am

By bringing real change to Washington he means you'll be lucky just to have spare change.

96 Sharmutah  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:48:54am

Love to watch all those Prius' with Obama stickers at my daughter's Jewish Day School in the Bay Area. Quite a sight.

97 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:49:19am

I hope there's a good repository on the net of all the dirt being dug up on Obama. Perhaps Pajamas Media may want to create something. Obama may have an excuse/dismissal for every one of these revelations, and each one by itself may mean little, but when you start putting every little thing we learn together, it paints an inescapable picture of who the man is, and more interestingly, how hard he has tried to convince everyone that he's someone else.

98 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:49:45am

It's like obama got the other end of the freak political supporters from ron paul. Like night and day, yet so alike in their fanatical support.

99 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:49:48am

re: #79 jcm
re: #73 Oh no...Sand People!

LGF certainly has an intelligent design to it.

But AND it continues to evolve!

*ducks*
Fixed that for you.

100 Dianna  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:49:55am

re: #92 bosforus

If he can't run a campaign staff, how's he going to run the executive branch?

Good heavens, what are they thinking? What is his wife thinking?

101 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:50:05am

re: #92 bosforus

B- b- b- but the Iraq War!

Hope! Change! WAFFLES!

102 bunker buster  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:50:13am

re: #97 Lizard by the Bay

I hope there's a good repository on the net of all the dirt being dug up on Obama. Perhaps Pajamas Media may want to create something. Obama may have an excuse/dismissal for every one of these revelations, and each one by itself may mean little, but when you start putting every little thing we learn together, it paints an inescapable picture of who the man is, and more interestingly, how hard he has tried to convince everyone that he's someone else.

That's an excellent idea.

103 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:50:20am

charles with the recent exposure of Obama's Friends, I am just curious if your level of hate mail ( from the obama people ) compares to the hate mail from the Paulians ?

104 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:50:39am

From Obama's People Page.

He's got everyone broken down into their identity group by race, gender, age, etc.. What? No Bitter Gun and God Clingers? I demand justice!

105 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:50:51am

uh-oh.

Cat-fight.

106 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:50:53am

re: #60 Ward Cleaver

I think there are plenty of Dems out there (especially older folks) who have always voted Democratic, and who have been bamboozled by Obama's "hope" and "change". Stuff like this could be a deal-breaker for them, if they were only better-informed.

I know people who say they're voting Republican for the first time in their lives, rather than vote for Hildemort or the Obamanation.
So some see the would-be emperor has no clothes.
But the Dark Side of the force is strong on the weak-minded.

107 realwest  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:50:58am

re: #60 Ward Cleaver
Hey Ward! Stuff like this would only be a deal-breaker for them if they cared. Which they manifestly do not.

But the GOP had better wake up real quick here: all the exit polls from yesterday's PA primary showed that the NUMBER ONE issue for 57% of the voters is the ECONOMY. Iraq was number 1 for only 22% of the voters.
The economy isn't Bush's fault. Frankly, when the economy was cookin' right along, Bush didn't deserve the credit for it either.
But will voters recognize this come November?
How can the GOP pin the economy on Congress when we're running Senator John McCain?
Methinks, as in EVERY election not held during the middle of a "real war" most voters vote their wallets and pocketbooks.

108 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:51:00am

re: #88 Dianna

Michelle Obama? What is the problem with his staff? Are they nuts?

If nothing else, this just shows that he can't pick people.

But Obama has Superior Judgment ®

109 mj  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:51:19am

Another Obama Official blogger: Anna Hussein:

The above image is of a little girl holding a photo of the late Rachel Corrie. She was a peace and social justice activist that was purposefully run over and brutally killed by an Israeli Defense Force Caterpillar bulldozer when she was in Palestine trying to prevent a house from being bulldozed. This image is in her memory and in gratitude...We remember you. R.I.P... The people of the Middle East deserve peace, justice, human rights, international law & reconciliation.

[Link: iowa.barackobama.com...]

110 bunker buster  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:51:34am

re: #99 newsjunkie_ky

re: #73 Oh no...Sand People!

LGF certainly has an intelligent design to it.

But AND it continues to evolve!

*ducks*
Fixed that for you.

Would that be punctuated dorkilibrium?

/

111 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:51:47am

re: #109 mj

Another Obama Official blogger: Anna Hussein:

The above image is of a little girl holding a photo of the late Rachel Corrie. She was a peace and social justice activist that was purposefully run over and brutally killed by an Israeli Defense Force Caterpillar bulldozer when she was in Palestine trying to prevent a house from being bulldozed. This image is in her memory and in gratitude...We remember you. R.I.P... The people of the Middle East deserve peace, justice, human rights, international law & reconciliation.

[Link: iowa.barackobama.com...]


/Can't I just finish my waffle?

112 surfer dude  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:51:52am

re: #57 mj

Wright's comments are completely unbiblical in the area of prophecy. I would seriously doubt his credentials as a Christian minister and the seminary he attended (IF he actually attended one)

113 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:51:59am

re: #75 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

No way I'm taking that bet. Though that would be a very nice bottle of vodka.

114 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:52:05am

re: #104 NoSubmission

He's got everyone broken down into their identity group by race, gender, age, etc

Very good observation. Identity politics uber alles.

115 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:52:24am

re: #87 Shug

Obama's New Campaign Song

I'm hesitant to think that BO is all that enamored with subtly sophisticated redneck music from the hinterlands.

I think this is more his style...

Youtube Video

116 esch  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:52:29am

re: #88 Dianna

Michelle Obama? What is the problem with his staff? Are they nuts?

If nothing else, this just shows that he can't pick people.

Stupid is as stupid does.

117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:52:29am

re: #109 mj

Another Obama Official blogger: Anna Hussein:

The above image is of a little girl holding a photo of the late Rachel Corrie. She was a peace and social justice activist that was purposefully run over and brutally killed by an Israeli Defense Force Caterpillar bulldozer when she was in Palestine trying to prevent a house from being bulldozed. This image is in her memory and in gratitude...We remember you. R.I.P... The people of the Middle East deserve peace, justice, human rights, international law & reconciliation.

[Link: iowa.barackobama.com...]

Oddly...I have this sudden craving for pancakes with syrup.

118 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:52:57am

re: #109 mj

The above image is of a little girl holding a photo of the late Rachel Corrie

I like waffles and pancakes, Antoninus.

119 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:53:02am

re: #114 Occasional Reader

Very good observation. Identity politics uber alles.

Imagine if McCain did that...

120 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:53:11am

Obama's terrorist connections:

1. Nadhmi Auchi Iraqi Baath party member & Saddam crony, billionaire arms dealer. Obama attended a reception held by Tony Rezko in Auchi's honor.

2. William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, unrepentant Weathermen bombers. Obama served on boards with Ayers, considers him a friend.

3. Rev Jeremiah Wright: Obama's pastor, he once traveled to Libya with Louis Farrakhan to receive a "humanitarian award" from dictator & terrorist supporter, Muammar Qaddafi.

4. Hatem El-Hady: currently fundraiser for Obama campaign, former chairman of Kindhearts "charity", closed by the US government in February 2006 for terrorist fundraising and all its assets frozen. Kindhearts was an operation of the Holy Land Foundation (another "charity" closed for funding terrorists).

5. Mousa Abu Marzouk, as Hamas deputy political director, he acted as Jimmy Carter's host during his visit to Syria. Before he was convicted & deported from the US, Marzouk was a senior director of the Holy Land Foundation and a Hamas agent.

6. Gaza Palestinians campaign for Obama ...with Hamas' approval.

7. Carter hints at Obama endorsement While technically not a "terrorist connection", Carter's presence here does close an interesting circle.

My guess is we haven't seen all of it yet, either.

121 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:53:12am

re: #113 lawhawk

No way I'm taking that bet. Though that would be a very nice bottle of vodka.


And it was insensitive of me to make the bet. You don't drink do you?

122 realwest  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:53:14am

re: #86 NoSubmission
I'm doing ok, thanks! It's good to see ya out here!
And congrat's on that publishing job!

123 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:53:16am

re: #111 NoSubmission

/Can't I just finish my waffle?

/Can't I just waffle my finish?

124 Dianna  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:53:17am

re: #108 karmic_inquisitor

It doesn't look that way to me...but then, I'm a TWP.

125 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:53:19am

OT Update: CIA: Syrian site was North Korean plutonium-producing nuclear reactor
It was not an Iraqi WMD repository as we hypothesized here a few months ago.

126 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:53:40am

Mr. Obama said he was being unjustly linked to “somebody who engaged in detestable acts 2 years ago, when I was 45 years old.”

Yes. Again.

BEcause that was too damn funny to not get commented on.

127 realwest  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:53:46am

WHOA - this thread is really skipping along today, isn't it?!

128 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:53:50am

re: #117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You so beat me to it.

I was going to say, Obama will change from Waffles to Pancakes

129 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:53:59am

re: #97 Lizard by the Bay

I hope there's a good repository on the net of all the dirt being dug up on Obama. Perhaps Pajamas Media may want to create something. Obama may have an excuse/dismissal for every one of these revelations, and each one by itself may mean little, but when you start putting every little thing we learn together, it paints an inescapable picture of who the man is, and more interestingly, how hard he has tried to convince everyone that he's someone else.

I thought zombie had one going.

130 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:53:59am

re: #104 NoSubmission

From Obama's People Page.

He's got everyone broken down into their identity group by race, gender, age, etc..

Wow, and these are the people who call us fascists! Fascists were always the list-makers.

131 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:54:24am

re: #128 Shug

You so beat me to it.

I was going to say, Obama will change from Waffles to Pancakes


Hey Shug ~mwah~ ((( shug)))

132 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:54:28am

re: #127 realwest

How are you feeling, rw?

133 bunker buster  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:54:28am

re: #112 surfer dude


According to wikipedia, he holds a M. Div. from University of Chicago Divinity School and a doctorate from a school in Ohio. link

134 mj  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:54:32am

Yet another antisemitic Obama blogger on Obama's site:

"Why did Barack back off his positions he held recognizing the slow Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people when BLASTED by the Israel Lobby (AIPAC, et al) in early 2007? Why was Jimmy Carter savagely attacked and branded 'antisemitic' for publication of 'Palestine: Peace not Apartheid'?

Why do the Neocons - aka the 'Israel Lobby' - disallow even the most basic and elementary public education of our electorate deliniating - let alone repudiating - the warcrimes that through the Bush regime they have forced the Amercian people (including our GI's in Iraq and our men verging on an assault on Iran) to commit?

Duh - its the Israel Lobby, stupid - it's the perfect crime: Resistance to the Neocons is Antisemitic and Futile - that’s the scam the Neocons have been running. Any discussion of the Neocons or their motives is Antisemitic and therefore '3rd rail' and therefore the perfect coverup of why the Neocon Coup that is currently running America (Bush/Cheney/Abrams/Wolfowitz/Libby/Kristol/Perle/ Hadley, et al) cannot EVEN BE DISCUSSED by our media.

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

135 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:54:38am

re: #100 Dianna

If he can't run a campaign staff, how's he going to run the executive branch?

Good heavens, what are they thinking? What is his wife thinking?

Hillary wants to be queen. WAB wants to be empress.

136 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:54:44am

BBL

2 Sharmutas?!?!?!?!

137 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:55:22am

Hatem El-Gringo.

138 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:55:25am

re: #107 realwest

Hey Ward! Stuff like this would only be a deal-breaker for them if they cared. Which they manifestly do not.

But the GOP had better wake up real quick here: all the exit polls from yesterday's PA primary showed that the NUMBER ONE issue for 57% of the voters is the ECONOMY. Iraq was number 1 for only 22% of the voters.
The economy isn't Bush's fault. Frankly, when the economy was cookin' right along, Bush didn't deserve the credit for it either.
But will voters recognize this come November?
How can the GOP pin the economy on Congress when we're running Senator John McCain?
Methinks, as in EVERY election not held during the middle of a "real war" most voters vote their wallets and pocketbooks.

There's a good supply of oil and food; prices are being driven up in the futures markets. Maybe Soros buying victory for the party he fully owns?

139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:55:30am

re: #109 mj

Another Obama Official blogger: Anna Hussein:

The above image is of a little girl holding a photo of the late Rachel Corrie. She was a peace and social justice activist that was purposefully run over and brutally killed by an Israeli Defense Force Caterpillar bulldozer when she was in Palestine trying to prevent a house from being bulldozed. This image is in her memory and in gratitude...We remember you. R.I.P... The people of the Middle East deserve peace, justice, human rights, international law & reconciliation.
[Link: iowa.barackobama.com...]

The do deserve that. Unfortunately, Islam and dumbasses like Corrie who help the enemy keep making it harder and harder to get there.

140 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:55:34am

re: #112 surfer dude

Wright's comments are completely unbiblical in the area of prophecy. I would seriously doubt his credentials as a Christian minister and the seminary he attended (IF he actually attended one)

He attended one. If I recollect correctly, he majored in Islam.

141 gymnast  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:55:41am

If not for Friedrick Engels, Marx would have starved to death. If you do not know who Engels was, Google him up.

142 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:55:47am

re: #137 itellu3times

Hatem El-Gringo.

Si! Se Puede

143 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:55:51am

re: #130 Lizard by the Bay

Wow, and these are the people who call us fascists! Fascists were always the list-makers.


No categories for Holders of Antipathy or Immigration Haters? Snobs!

144 Dianna  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:55:56am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Oooh!

That is thread-worthy!

145 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:55:58am

re: #104 NoSubmission

From Obama's People Page.

He's got everyone broken down into their identity group by race, gender, age, etc.. What? No Bitter Gun and God Clingers? I demand justice!

There's Bitter, there's clingy, then bitter clingers. Then the sub groups, religion or guns, and religion & guns.

You can have bitter religious, or the most affected bitter clinger to religion & guns.

146 Roger  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:56:12am

Let the Emperor wear nothing while all the people imagine him robed as they would have their emperor robed and all be equally content.

147 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:56:19am

re: #117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Oddly...I have this sudden craving for pancakes with syrup.

And, a waffle?

148 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:56:24am

re: #98 Sharmuta

Shar, who is this trollop?

149 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:56:24am

re: #101 Fat Jolly Penguin

Hope! Change! WAFFLES!

I'll take one of each!

150 Opinionated  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:56:41am
“Fatima from Toledo, Ohio,”

Slowly I turned step by step, step by step...

151 realwest  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:56:42am

re: #100 Dianna Uh, hi Dianna - I think you're missing the entire point when you talk about them THINKING at all!

152 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:57:22am

re: #136 Ben Hur

2 Sharmutas?!?!?!?!

Just think of it as twice the fun.

153 realwest  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:57:27am

re: #132 Bob in Breckenridge I'm doing ok, thanks - how's about yourself?

154 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:57:34am

re: #126 Ben Hur

BEcause that was too damn funny to not get commented on.

And I'm bitterly clinging to the lack of commentary on my brilliant, incisive Spartacus reference.

155 Dianna  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:57:38am

re: #135 MandyManners

She'd hate it when she was booed.

156 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:58:22am

re: #140 MandyManners

He attended one. If I recollect correctly, he majored in Islam.


You are correct. Got his masters in islam in western Africa at U of Chicago School of Divinity.

157 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:58:24am

re: #145 jcm

There's Bitter, there's clingy, then bitter clingers. Then the sub groups, religion or guns, and religion & guns.

You can have bitter religious, or the most affected bitter clinger to religion & guns.


Just noticed that each has their own respective Obama Logo ™.
Would love to see some photoshops of the Bitter Clingers of Change!

158 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:58:27am

Me hatem mean America!

159 mj  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:58:41am

More from "My Barack":

"“At the very core of our involvement in Iraq and Iran is our support for the slow genocide of Palestine that the Israelis have been carrying out for the last 60 years in blatant violation of UN Sec Co Resolutions 242, 194, 338, the Geneva Conventions, and International Law.”


And more antisemitism:

Speaking of this Obama dream ticket - Obama must dump Dennis Ross from any foreign policy post considerations in his adminsitration - Dennis is a NEOCON. Dennis is a Scooter Libby defender, is CURRENTLY director of the neocon warcriminals at WINEP, is a well loved AIPAC lackey, and ATTACKED Jimmy Carter's 'Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid', amongst a trove of other Israel Lobby- approved activities. This is the last guy on earth who should be warping American foreign policy in the middle east - especially since the FIRST thing America needs to do exert tremendous and overwhelming political pressure on Israel - America needs to LEAD the international effort to put this UN-violating country back in it's pre-67 box as demanded by the UN time and again rather than time and again VETOING that very pressure from the international community. Sure - conforming to these UN Sec Council Resolution 242, 194, 338, the Geneva Conventions, and International Law will be a pinch for Israel and just exactly what the DENNIS ROSS, the Israel Lobby, AIPAC, and the neocons don't want to happen


[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

160 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:59:15am

re: #141 gymnast

If not for Friedrick Engels, Marx would have starved to death. If you do not know who Engels was, Google him up.

Half-Pint's dad?

161 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:59:23am

re: #148 coquimbojoe

Another Sharmutah I unwittingly stole a nic from. But I apologized, so it's cool.

/Just remember- I'm the smurfy one.

162 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:59:29am

Hatem has 3 friends

*Rick*

fatima

Michelle Obama


/mmmkay

163 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:59:44am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

OT Update: CIA: Syrian site was North Korean plutonium-producing nuclear reactor

And I believe the rumor was that it was already at least partially loaded and radioactive.

164 Dianna  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:00:02am

re: #151 realwest

They're campaign staffers. They're paid to think.

I'm not missing the point, the campaign is!

165 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:00:16am
166 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:00:33am

Obama will win the nomination and be judged by the company he keeps.

For the dems, the hits keep coming!

This bus wreck leading to the November disaster for them is the great teacher. the problem is they never learn the lesson. I have shown this before but let's repeat it for the hatchlings:

Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter (1976) and Clinton all ran as centrist strong-on-defense Democrats and won election.

Stevenson, Humphrey, McGovern, Carter (1980), Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry all ran as liberals, were seen as liberals or tried to pretend they weren't liberals and lost. Most interestingly, national defense was not much of an issue in 2000, and Gore did win the majority of the popular vote; he actually got more votes than Clinton (who never got above 44%), had he won his home state of Tennessseem, he would have won, a series of damaging articles in a small town Tenn. newspaper alleging ties between Gore and some nefarious local individuals was probably the difference between winning and losing.

All of which just make the point clearer: with a centrist candidate, the Democrats can and usually do win. They won't have that problem this year.

Domestic terrorists (not the ex-souse kind, the ones that make bombs) and international terror suspects see something in Obama that gives them hope. They are close to the Obama's gravitational orbit. They are avowed unrepentant enemies of this nation and work to get THIS MAN elected.

I predict more and worse to come. For the Democrats, they should seize this news and drive Obama out before he destroys the party. He is too close to the Oval Office for my comfort. The only salvation for them is to force Hil and Barrack to the sidelines and draft Gore.

This story is a thermonuclear warhead for Republicans in the fall.

167 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:00:35am

re: #164 Dianna

They're campaign staffers. They're paid to think.

I'm not missing the point, the campaign is!

One of my favorite jokes:

Q: How many people work here?
A: About one out of three.

168 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:00:37am

re: #155 Dianna

She'd hate it when she was booed.

Would she say, "Let them eat waffles"?

169 Colonel Panik  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:00:44am

re: #96 Sharmutah

Love to watch all those Prius' with Obama stickers at my daughter's Jewish Day School in the Bay Area. Quite a sight.

That's just wrong.

170 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:00:58am
171 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:01:00am

re: #164 Dianna

They're campaign staffers. They're paid to think.

I'm not missing the point, the campaign is!

Well, when you're campaigning to people who don't think either...

172 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:01:18am

re: #156 newsjunkie_ky

You are correct. Got his masters in islam in western Africa at U of Chicago School of Divinity.

I wonder if his diploma/transcript/whatever is on-line somewhere.

173 realwest  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:01:20am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Hey Killgore! When did ya get the new avatar? I like it!

174 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:01:37am

Don't forget the tag team match. It wasn't Carter that pardoned all the terrorists, he merely commuted their sentences. His bro Billy was the one who absolved all of their sins, just like a Pope.

I won't even go there.

175 TOWM  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:02:06am

#75 -

Tito's ?

176 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:02:06am

That red diaper baby webmaster will be doing a lot of scrubbing today.

177 chinesearithmetic  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:02:09am

As they say at Ole MIss:

Hottie toddie Hatem el-Haty, who the hell are you?
Flim-flam, cash scam, Barack O Bam!

178 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:02:13am
179 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:03:01am

re: #161 Sharmuta

Another Sharmutah I unwittingly stole a nic from. But I apologized, so it's cool.

/Just remember- I'm the smurfy one.

Its funny, I just saw Ben realized it too. Take it as a compliment. We read what you say. You are the Smurfalicious one.

180 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:03:04am

Don't question Obama's Loyalty!

it's obvious where it lies...

181 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:04:04am

Marion Barry was reelected mayor of washington DC after he was released from Prison

My message: Democrats are dumb. Obama can do whatever he likes, he'll still get around 50% in a national election.

Statistically, half of americans are below average

182 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:04:11am

re: #172 MandyManners

Wright was a member of Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam before he "converted" to his peculiar brand of Christianity. Obama was born a Muslim before he "converted" to Wright's church.

You can draw your own conclusions from this.

183 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:04:39am

re: #173 realwest

I switched last night. Just getting some variety. How ya doing?

184 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:04:52am

From George Washington's Rules of Civility

56th Associate yourself with Men of good Quality if you Esteem your own Reputation; for 'tis better to be alone than in bad Company.

Mebbe to BO, these are good qualities.

185 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:05:12am

re: #181 Shug

Marion Barry was reelected mayor of washington DC after he was released from Prison

My message: Democrats are dumb. Obama can do whatever he likes, he'll still get around 50% in a national election.

Statistically, half of americans are below average

That explains the (D) party...

186 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:05:53am

Did I mention White House staff are often selected from the folks who worked hard on the campaign?

Do I need to remind you of the problems many Clinton staffers had getting National Security clearances in 92-2000?

187 mj  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:06:11am

re: #180 LanceKates

Don't question Obama's Loyalty!

it's obvious where it lies...


Yup. Another Obama supporter:

“Right now America is engaged in a genocidal colonial war in Iraq, for no better reason than the new aristocracy wants more money in the bank - good men and women are being ordered to do terrible things supposedly ‘for their country’ - read Halliburton - while innocent children are murdered in the streets of Basra and Baghdad - feel proud yet? I agree with Michelle Obama - I never REALLY felt proud of this country until we proved we could elect a good man to the White House.”


[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

Keep in mind this post has been up there for thre weeks now.

188 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:06:48am

I just heard on ABC news (radio, top of the hour) that the NC state GOP was running ads calling Obama 'too radical for North Carolina". True to form, McCain immediately condemned the ads, according to ABC news. So, if you think that McCain may have the ability to pull defeat from the jaws of victory, you may be correct. McCain has a breathtaking penchant for browbeating those who are trying to help him, IMHO.

189 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:07:16am

Ahhh, the intro music to Rush makes me happy.

190 Dianna  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:07:24am

re: #168 MandyManners

Marie Antoinette had a better excuse.

191 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:07:36am

re: #172 MandyManners
Go here and go to page 9 or 10 under the Pastors's Page and It's listed right there.

192 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:08:03am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

OT Update: CIA: Syrian site was North Korean plutonium-producing nuclear reactor
It was not an Iraqi WMD repository as we hypothesized here a few months ago.

I'm deeply relieved to know it wasn't nerve toxins and anthrax virus that was stored there.

Plutonium is no big deal.

193 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:08:30am

re: #175 TOWM

#75 -

Tito's ?

no: this Tito's.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It's fine stuff.

194 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:08:36am

re: #170 taxfreekiller

Democrats put toast in the toaster, and out popped "waffles".

New Science. Change.

What do you have against Cylons?!

195 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:09:00am

re: #192 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Heh.

196 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:09:07am

re: #179 coquimbojoe

But I'm the nic-jacker here. My apologies to Sharmutah and my fellow lizards if it creates any confusion- although- like I said- I'm the smurfy one.

197 Dad O' Blondes  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:09:08am

Charles --

You should also see lessig.org.

Lawrence Lessig is Obama's Advisor on Tech and Internet. And an intellectual property "on the web" adversary. A Marxist view.

And subject of IBD top editorial today.

The more one digs around the Obama camp, the more one finds questionable individuals in positions of authority and influence.

.

.

198 Roger  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:09:16am

re: #183 Killgore Trout

He might have choice words if you rub his belly.

199 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:09:19am
200 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:09:27am

re: #188 rawmuse

Are you saying that the party of Jesse Helms is pulling for Hillary?

Wow! A lot has changed since I lived there awhile.

201 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:10:00am
202 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:10:22am

re: #182 Kenneth

Wright was a member of Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam before he "converted" to his peculiar brand of Christianity. Obama was born a Muslim before he "converted" to Wright's church.

You can draw your own conclusions from this.


It does not make a pretty picture, that's for sure.

203 Dianna  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:10:38am

re: #189 bosforus

I went back to Ohio, by the Pretenders?

204 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:11:49am

By serfs and court fools
He's treated like royalty
don't mind he loathes them
and don't question his Loyalty

205 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:12:20am

re: #170 taxfreekiller

Democrats put toast in the toaster, and out popped "waffles".

New Science. Change.

Evolution!

/BBIAB

206 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:12:23am

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

LOL! But enough about us whores.

So- how about that whore, obama? lol

207 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:12:27am

re: #182 Kenneth

Wright was a member of Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam before he "converted" to his peculiar brand of Christianity. Obama was born a Muslim before he "converted" to Wright's church.

You can draw your own conclusions from this.

Wright is sowing the seeds and BHO will reap the crop?

208 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:12:35am
209 zmdavid  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:12:48am

re: #203 Dianna

I went back to Ohio, by the Pretenders?


My City Was Gone

210 Roger  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:13:10am

re: #202 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It's an en passant.

211 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:13:33am

re: #206 Sharmuta

I've been away awhile. What ever became of Murqtaad?

212 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:14:12am

re: #181 Shug

Statistically, half of americans are below average

I think Obama will introduce a constitutional amendment to fix that.

213 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:14:14am
214 HDrepub  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:14:19am

Hearing a lot of talk around here of Democrats staying home this election day, no matter who gets the nomination. That's saying a lot about the nomination process of today's Donk party and the yellow dogs around here. They usually pull the Donk lever no matter who is on the ticket.

215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:14:24am

OT

Israel 'ready to return Golan'

Turkey's prime minister has told Syrian President Bashar Assad that Israel would withdraw from the Golan Heights in return for peace, reports say.

The al-Watan newspaper quoted "informed sources" as saying Recep Tayyip Erdogan had telephoned Mr Assad on Tuesday morning to inform him of the offer.

The office of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has declined to comment.

216 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:14:32am

A check of political contributions made by Michelle Obama only turns up a $399 contribution to her husband.

How cheap.

Oddly though when you check out the FEC filing you get this a joint contribution with someone named Susanne Obaid, a rather generous Omaba supporter.

217 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:14:40am

re: #212 itellu3times

I think Obama will introduce a constitutional amendment to fix change that.

218 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:14:59am

re: #211 unreconstructed rebel

He joined the Marines! I believe he was shipped off for training to Paris Island, so we haven't seen him in quite awhile.

219 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:15:07am

re: #196 Sharmuta

But I'm the nic-jacker here. My apologies to Sharmutah and my fellow lizards if it creates any confusion- although- like I said- I'm the smurfy one.

You should be around when JCM, JWM, and JZM are all posting...

220 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:15:10am

re: #208 ploome hineni

I hope someone, who knows how, will get a screen capture of that page.

221 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:15:11am

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Color me skeptical.

222 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:15:49am

re: #212 itellu3times

I think Obama will introduce a constitutional amendment to fix that.


If elected, he will grade on a curve.

223 realwest  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:16:02am

re: #166 Ayatollah Ghilmeini Another good post! However I gotta tell ya that I STILL think Hillary's going to win the nomination. She has won ALL of the heavy electoral vote states popular votes; due, however, to the truly bizarre rules of the DNC, she isn't winning the majority of delegates. And a hell of a lot of Dems (think Kennedy, Kerry,Dodd et.al.) have "crossed her" (in her eyes) and are properly terrified of the payback they'd suffer should she win.
And although I used to think her negatives were way too high for her to get the nomination, what the hell is the DNC going to say when she says, legitimately, I won California, New York, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania - if a candidate doesn't win at least 5 of those states in the general election, they won't win the election to become POTUS.
And unfortunately for us, as I indicated above, the economy was the number one issue for 57% of the voters (D's and crossover R's) in the PA. Primary and the Iraq war was only #1 to like 22% of the voters.
Obama might get the nomination (I think the ideas I've put forth above FOR nominating Hillary are gonna be hard for the DNC to resist) and, based on the Economy alone, win the POTUS cause most folks only care about their wallets and pocketbooks and Obama is less of a Washington "insider" than is McCain.
IF Hillary does get the nomination, ALL the exit polling indicated that the overwhelming majority of Black Dem's have said they won't vote for Hillary no matter what, even if Obama is the VP nominee. Hillary runs for POTUS, I think McCain has a great shot at winning. Not so hot if Obama is the nominee. And that's gonna be the pitch to the superdelegates, too.

224 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:16:11am

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That rumor has been floating around for about a year or so. I have no clue how accurate it is.

225 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:16:34am

re: #219 jcm

Thank goodness for avatars, huh?

/It's the only way I keep you guys straight, to tell the truth.

226 3 wood  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:16:56am

re: #173 realwest

Hey real.

Did you get my email from this morning?

227 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:16:58am

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

Israel 'ready to return Golan'

WTF!? 48 hour rule! No even Olmert is that perfidious. I smell Rabbit Bait droppings around this one.

228 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:17:02am

re: #221 coquimbojoe

Color me skeptical.

Same here. Saw a few reports which made it seem like the announcement had come from Israeli officials.

229 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:17:47am

re: #221 coquimbojoe

Color me skeptical.

Sorry Charles blocked colors...

Me too very..

230 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:18:04am

re: #197 Dad O' Blondes

Lawrence Lessig is Obama's Advisor on Tech and Internet. And an intellectual property "on the web" adversary. A Marxist view.
...
The more one digs around the Obama camp, the more one finds questionable individuals in positions of authority and influence.

Sounds like a full-employment plan for pseudo-intellectuals, post-retirement politicos, and racist ratbag reverends.

231 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:18:11am

re: #219 jcm

You should be around when JCM, JWM, and JZM are all posting...

One reason why I use my real name.

Not many Lance Kates' here.

232 ergo sum  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:18:34am

re: #109 mj

Another Obama Official blogger: Anna Hussein:

The above image is of a little girl holding a photo of the late Rachel Corrie. She was a peace and social justice activist that was purposefully run over and brutally killed by an Israeli Defense Force Caterpillar bulldozer when she was in Palestine trying to prevent a house from being bulldozed. This image is in her memory and in gratitude...We remember you. R.I.P... The people of the Middle East deserve peace, justice, human rights, international law & reconciliation.

[Link: iowa.barackobama.com...]


From her page:

as well as respect and partnership for and with the global community so that we can solve global problems ...

WTF? When did it become America's role to solve global problems? Why is it okay to take our tax dollars for Global Warming and sweatshops but not to protect our National Security.

Obama is truly a frightening candidate...because of who he associates with, who endorses him, who supports him...and the idiot followers who are voting for "Hope" and "Change" without any idea of what Obama truly means by those words!

233 mj  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:18:52am

re: #228 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Same here. Saw a few reports which made it seem like the announcement had come from Israeli officials.

Well, that Israeli offer to Syria has been on the table for at least 20 years.

234 Syrah  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:19:27am

re: #96 Sharmutah

Love to watch all those Prius' with Obama stickers at my daughter's Jewish Day School in the Bay Area. Quite a sight.

The Bay Area is pretty wacko.

I used to live there.

With the exception of some friends and family I left behind, I don't miss it much.

235 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:19:30am

OK, let's start taking bets right now. How long until Obama either goes Troofer himself, or has a Troofer in his campaign in some official capacity?

236 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:19:59am

re: #222 Shug

If elected, he will grade on a curve.

It'll be siclical...

237 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:20:26am

re: #188 rawmuse

I just heard on ABC news (radio, top of the hour) that the NC state GOP was running ads calling Obama 'too radical for North Carolina". True to form, McCain immediately condemned the ads, according to ABC news. So, if you think that McCain may have the ability to pull defeat from the jaws of victory, you may be correct. McCain has a breathtaking penchant for browbeating those who are trying to help him, IMHO.

Try to consider what McCain is trying to do.

Obama got this wave of adulation because he was going to change the tone of politics in America. Most took that to mean some reform and less polarization (what it really means is leftist takeover, but that is another story). So Obama demonstrated that there is a big, fat middle in America that wants the rhetoric toned down and business to get done.

Meanwhile, Obama is locked in a battle with the Queen of Mean and his true colors (red) are showing, and he is every bit as polarizing as Clinton.

That leaves the middle for McCain, who has a track record of reform rather than just rhetoric. He gains little by polarizing anything because the left is doing all of the work for him.

Above the fray with occasional efforts (like this one) to "call off the dogs" so that he gets to claim that middle, reform minded ground when Obama is eventually declared the nominee.

Try not to let it bother you - McCain is just taking real estate from Democrats - real estate they never had a right to claim in the first place.

238 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:20:27am

re: #235 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Side bet: How long, after said troofer is exposed, before JustMyView tries to shift the discussion away from it.

239 kansas  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:20:32am

You are Swift Boating Obama. This is very unfair.

240 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:20:38am

re: #235 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Turn over a few more rocks and I bet they are already there.

241 zmdavid  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:20:54am

re: #235 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

OK, let's start taking bets right now. How long until Obama either goes Troofer himself, or has a Troofer in his campaign in some official capacity?

There might already be one we haven't found yet.

242 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:20:56am

re: #203 Dianna

I went back to Ohio, by the Pretenders?

Oh, thank you much. Thought it might have been created for the show.

243 realwest  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:21:23am

re: #183 Killgore Trout
Doing ok my friend! I really do like the new avatar!

244 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:21:24am

re: #231 LanceKates

One reason why I use my real name.

Not many Lance Kates' here.

Never heard of him.
/

245 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:22:29am

re: #241 zmdavid

There might already be one we haven't found yet.


That's why you got to place your bets now!

246 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:22:33am

re: #244 jcm

Never heard of him.
/

I hear he's an arrogant prick.

247 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:22:40am

re: #239 kansas

You are Swift Boating Obama. This is very unfair.

Missing sarc tag or do B. Hussein's friends not bother you?

248 opnion  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:22:47am

I am firmly convinced that, if Obama was having cook outs wit Satan himself, he would find defenders. You would hear over & over that it is "Guilt through Association."

249 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:23:03am

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not gonna happen. Israelis are starting to wake up to the realization of just how disastrous Olmert and his cronies are. I don't see them making any deals for the Golan. They're going to get nothing in return except Assad's word, which means precisely nothing.

250 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:23:20am

Hey Lance...

What happened to JMV? He still fighting that last thread.

251 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:23:25am

re: #242 bosforus

Oh, thank you much. Thought it might have been created for the show.

Not hardly, in fact they sued him a few years ago to get him to stop using it, not sure just how that ended up, but he still uses it!

252 Thor-Zone  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:23:30am

OT..
Sorry for the off topic, but I came across this just now that I thought might be of interest to lizards near and far...

Last week's meeting between former US president Jimmy Carter and the exiled leader of Hamas militants did not produce any results, Palestinian foreign minister Riyad al-Malki said here Wednesday.

"President Carter came to the region thinking he could achieve something. Unfortunately president Carter left without anything concrete," he told a conference in the Spanish capital.

"The only thing he achieved was permission on the part of Khaled Meshaal of Hamas to deliver a letter from a detained Israeli soldier to his family. Nothing else," he said.

Jimmy Carter appears to be a qualified postal worker.

253 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:23:48am

re: #250 Dustoff-507

Hey Lance...

What happened to JMV? He still fighting that last thread.

Dropped a load and scurried off.

254 Macker  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:23:54am

re: #104 NoSubmission

No Typical White People™...gee I wonder why...

255 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:24:07am
256 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:24:11am

re: #218 Sharmuta

I guess he got bored once nodroG fled. Thanks for the update.

257 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:24:13am

re: #248 opnion

I am firmly convinced that, if Obama was having cook outs wit Satan himself, he would find defenders. You would hear over & over that it is "Guilt through Association."

It depends on what they were barbecuing?

258 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:24:15am

re: #246 LanceKates

I hear he's an arrogant prick.

It's true that he's not ordinarily an incendiary asshole, though.

259 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:24:16am

re: #252 Thor-Zone

OT..
Sorry for the off topic, but I came across this just now that I thought might be of interest to lizards near and far...

Jimmy Carter appears to be a qualified postal worker.

You'd never get your mail.

260 Dianna  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:24:37am

re: #209 zmdavid

Thanks - I was never a huge fan of the Pretenders.

261 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:24:46am

re: #250 Dustoff-507


note sure. got quiet.

probably crying.

262 BGOH  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:24:59am

Can we now officially begin calling Obama "Mr. Thompson?" Or would he just be Bertram Scudder?

/Atlas Shrugged reference

263 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:25:16am

re: #246 LanceKates


HAHAHAHA. OOO-I could say SO much. But I know better... 0-:

264 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:25:33am

re: #251 itellu3times

Not hardly, in fact they sued him a few years ago to get him to stop using it, not sure just how that ended up, but he still uses it!

Guess that's how it ended!

265 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:25:44am

re: #258 really grumpy big dog Johnson

It's true that he's not ordinarily an incendiary asshole, though.

one can have hopes and dreams.

and a hope for change.

*drink*

266 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:25:46am

re: #255 buzzsawmonkey

Excellent!

267 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:25:48am

re: #239 kansas

Swift boating requires some kind of experience to debunk or question the veracity of accounts.

Obama has no experience.

Still, question his veracity all you want. It doesn't mean anything to Obama supporters who are convinced of Obama's righteousness and that hope and change trump all.

268 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:26:38am

re: #262 BGOH

Can we now officially begin calling Obama "Mr. Thompson?" Or would he just be Bertram Scudder?

/Atlas Shrugged reference

The later, I think, tho neither is all that close.

269 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:27:07am

re: #263 Dustoff-507

lol... some don't.

270 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:27:12am

re: #121 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Hah. My 34 bottle wine cellar says otherwise. :)

271 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:27:27am

re: #239 kansas

You are Swift Boating Obama. This is very unfair.

The Audacity of Scrutiny.

272 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:27:59am

re: #270 lawhawk

Hah. My 34 bottle wine cellar says otherwise. :)

well maybe that's why you have so many bottles : you don't drink

273 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:28:29am

re: #271 Sharmuta

The Audacity of Scrutiny.

Rotating title nomination!

274 vxbush  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:28:46am

re: #271 Sharmuta

The Audacity of Scrutiny.

Actually, to truly swift-boat someone, don't you need a book?

275 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:29:13am

re: #274 vxbush

and a boat

276 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:29:36am

re: #270 lawhawk


34... WOW I'm coming over now! I'll bring the cork screw. (-:

277 BGOH  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:30:43am

re: #274 vxbush

Actually, to truly swift-boat someone, don't you need a book?

Or a boat, for that matter? I've always thought that "swiftboating" would be much more effective if it were done from an actual boat. The average Democrat voter would be more likely to believe the argument, the boat lending credibility, of course.

278 Colonel Panik  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:31:04am

re: #209 zmdavid

My City Was Gone

Chrissie Hynde is an UberMoonbat. I'm surprised she hasn't tried to sue Rush for using that song as an intro.

279 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:31:31am

re: #278 Colonel Panik

Chrissie Hynde is an UberMoonbat. I'm surprised she hasn't tried to sue Rush for using that song as an intro.

I believe she did.

280 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:31:48am

re: #272 Shug

well maybe that's why you have so many bottles : you don't drink

I'm just not drinking them fast enough. Gotta work on that -

281 justiceforall  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:32:33am

Charles, why no moral outrage from you about this guy?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

282 kansas  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:33:18am

re: #247 jcm

Missing sarc tag or do B. Hussein's friends not bother you?

I get more response when I leave the tag off. I like the attention. His friends should scare everyone shitless. That and his inane platitudes.

283 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:33:18am

re: #278 Colonel Panik

Chrissie Hynde is an UberMoonbat. I'm surprised she hasn't tried to sue Rush for using that song as an intro.

She did,

Hynde battled Rush Limbaugh over his use of her song "My City Was Gone", coming to an accommodation in 1999.[5]

284 3 wood  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:33:33am

re: #261 LanceKates

probably crying.

Re-reading Das Kapital.

285 akak  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:33:41am

costco is rationing wheat & flour?

"good job Al" GWB

286 Colonel Panik  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:34:07am

re: #234 Syrah

The Bay Area is pretty wacko.

I used to live there.

With the exception of some friends and family I left behind, I don't miss it much.

I miss the climate, the landscape and the restaurants, and the sense of being in the center or tech happenings.

The Moonbattery and California gun laws I do not miss.

287 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:34:19am

re: #281 justiceforall

Charles, why no moral outrage from you about this guy?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Does he preach GOD DAMN AMERICA?

288 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:34:25am

re: #280 lawhawk

I'm just not drinking them fast enough. Gotta work on that -


a good bottle in my house lasts about as long as a cookie placed in front of a 3 year old.

I just can't wait...

289 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:34:37am

re: #285 akak

Distribution problems are now rationing. Reuterspeak.

290 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:34:56am
291 Roger  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:35:08am

re: #281 justiceforall

It's been done.

292 BGOH  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:36:17am

re: #281 justiceforall

Charles, why no moral outrage from you about this guy?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Just out of curiosity, why do you libs play the moral equivalency game with Hagee and Wright? There is no equivalence between accepting an endorsement, and being "intellectually intimate" with someone for twenty years. Plus, you'd be hard pressed to find people equivalent to Calypso Louie and Hamas endorsing McCain.

If you build a straw man, expect it to catch fire.

293 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:37:06am

re: #292 BGOH

Just out of curiosity, why do you libs play the moral equivalency game with Hagee and Wright? There is no equivalence between accepting an endorsement, and being "intellectually intimate" with someone for twenty years. Plus, you'd be hard pressed to find people equivalent to Calypso Louie and Hamas endorsing McCain.

If you build a straw man, expect it to catch fire.

Here is another match...

294 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:37:34am

re: #167 itellu3times

One of my favorite jokes:

Q: How many people work for you?
A: About one out of three.

or...None, they all work against us.

295 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:37:47am
296 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:37:59am

re: #281 justiceforall

Charles, why no moral outrage from you about this guy?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

McCain was a member of Hagee's church for 20 years?

Hagee was the inspiration for McCain's book ?


Hagee Married the McCains?

297 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:38:02am

re: #292 BGOH

If you build a straw man, expect it to catch fire.

I gotta remember that one. LOL!

298 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:38:02am

re: #281 justiceforall

Charles, why no moral outrage from you about this guy?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

looking for 20+ years of close personal ties to a specific candidate...

nope, not there

299 A Typical Patriot  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:38:38am

How much more is it going to take for people to realize how dangerous this guy is? Everyday more evidence is added to what Hussein is really all about. He will serve and protect but, not the people and the country.

300 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:39:20am
301 zmdavid  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:39:34am

Is justiceforall related to justmyview?

302 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:39:41am
Hagee has denounced replacement theology, believing that chapters 9-11 of the book of Romans teach that the Jews have continuing favor with God by the election of grace, and as a people of the covenant, do not require belief in Jesus Christ for their salvation. He believes the Bible commands Christians to support Israel and the Jewish people. [6][7]

Because the territory of what is now Israel, Gaza and the West Bank was ruled by the Ottoman Turks prior to World War I, then controlled by the British, and later partitioned under United Nations mandate, Hagee argues that the land does not belong to the Arabs. The name Palestine (deriving from the ancient Philistines) was imposed by the Roman emperor Hadrian to punish the Jews for their revolt against Rome. Hagee maintains there is no Palestinian language, no historic Palestinian nation: most people claiming to be Palestinians immigrated from other Arab states. [8]

Hagee says that Iran will never respond favorably to diplomacy and is a threat to Western civilization.[citation needed]. To eliminate Iran's alleged nuclear programme, he supports an American-Israeli pre-emptive military strike. [9][10] Hagee supports the Conservative movement in the United States.

Oh no. He's a monster.

/

303 Charles  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:39:47am

re: #281 justiceforall

Charles, why no moral outrage from you about this guy?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

In answer to your question I'll ask you one: why are you such a fool?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Might be a good idea to search for things I've written about Hagee before mouthing off and looking like a complete idiot.

304 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:39:56am

re: #299 A Typical Patriot

How much more is it going to take for people to realize how dangerous this guy is? Everyday more evidence is added to what Hussein is really all about. He will serve and protect but, not the people and the country.

He's promised to make you share your pie. A lots of people want a piece of your pie.

Welcome.

305 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:40:14am
306 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:40:24am

re: #281 justiceforall

Hagee has denounced replacement theology, believing that chapters 9-11 of the book of Romans teach that the Jews have continuing favor with God by the election of grace, and as a people of the covenant, do not require belief in Jesus Christ for their salvation. He believes the Bible commands Christians to support Israel and the Jewish people. [6][7]

Because the territory of what is now Israel, Gaza and the West Bank was ruled by the Ottoman Turks prior to World War I, then controlled by the British, and later partitioned under United Nations mandate, Hagee argues that the land does not belong to the Arabs. The name Palestine (deriving from the ancient Philistines) was imposed by the Roman emperor Hadrian to punish the Jews for their revolt against Rome. Hagee maintains there is no Palestinian language, no historic Palestinian nation: most people claiming to be Palestinians immigrated from other Arab states. [8]

Hagee says that Iran will never respond favorably to diplomacy and is a threat to Western civilization.[citation needed]. To eliminate Iran's alleged nuclear programme, he supports an American-Israeli pre-emptive military strike. [9][10] Hagee supports the Conservative movement in the United States.

Sounds about right to me...

307 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:40:36am

re: #235 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

OK, let's start taking bets right now. How long until Obama either goes Troofer himself, or has a Troofer in his campaign in some official capacity?


Might be something he picked up in his 'church.'...

308 Roger  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:40:42am

re: #300 buzzsawmonkey

And its nic.

309 J.S.  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:41:28am

re: #70 NoSubmission

Heh..."Dr. Hatem Elhady, president of Kind Hearts' board of directors..." shug pointed out above that when looking at Dictionary.com and typing in the word for Taqiya "liar" -- "KindHearts" came up. hmmm.. thus, "Dr. Hatem Elhady, president of Kind Hearts' the Liars board of directors..."

310 zmdavid  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:41:30am

re: #305 buzzsawmonkey

Well, each one is justastedious as the other.

I think we should substitute only for just in both cases as in
only my view
and
only ice for all

311 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:41:32am

re: #305 buzzsawmonkey

Well, each one is justastedious as the other.

I'm still wondering what type of justice.

312 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:41:45am

LA Times is heading for a bottom again

John McCain gets tax-free disability pension

The disclosure of the Navy benefit for injuries incurred as a Vietnam POW may raise fitness questions.
...
Certain types of military and veterans pensions are either partially or completely tax-exempt, depending on the seriousness of the disability. In McCain's case, the exemption is 100%.

If McCain had to pay taxes on the full amount of the pension, it would have increased his tax bill by about $18,000 based on the percentage of his income he paid to the federal government.

McCain spent 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war in Hanoi. After he was released in 1973, he returned home on crutches and began a painful physical rehabilitation. He later regained flight status and commanded a Navy squadron before retiring from the service in 1981.

McCain would be the oldest man to enter the White House if he is elected president, and questions have been raised about his health.

McCain has twice developed melanoma, a potentially deadly form of skin cancer.

The fact that he is legally designated with a disability pension may raise further questions.

313 MJ  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:41:50am

re: #301 zmdavid

Is justiceforall related to justmyview?


Don't know. Always figured Justmyview was really ViewfromIreland. Remember her?

314 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:42:41am

re: #281 justiceforall

Charles, why no moral outrage from you about this guy?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Did you try LGF Search before you posted that?

Top result

Excerpt -

The media hounded John McCain until he finally denounced Pastor John Hagee, as he should have.

Those are Charles' words.

315 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:42:52am

re: #311 Sharmuta

I'm still wondering what type of justice.

Gramscian.

316 Roger  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:43:17am

re: #313 MJ

Yep. I'm sure Charles does too.

317 Macker  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:43:46am

re: #312 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Damn right he should get it Tax Free! He put his life and sanity on the line for us against those DFCs which inhabit Vietnam.

318 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:44:10am

re: #315 jcm

I think you're close.

319 HDrepub  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:44:21am

re: #312 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The fact that he is legally designated with a disability pension may raise further questions.

So what I say. The Donks patron saint FDR was in a wheel chair much of the time, a fact that was hidden from the people of the USA.

320 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:44:52am

Forget about Chrissy Hynde and the Pretenders, you want the truth?

Can you handle it?

Obama's new campaign theme song...
(Warning, following this link will lead you to a musical video that rates somewhere between a hard R and an X on the visual-auditory scale. It's your choice. I recommend that you focus on the music, you pimple-faced bastards!)

Youtube Video

321 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:44:53am
322 Roger  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:44:59am

justiceforall? In chess there is a move called "Oops! My bad." Let's see if you can play it.

323 BGOH  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:45:09am

re: #297 unreconstructed rebel

I gotta remember that one. LOL!

As soon as I typed that I got the feeling that I had heard it somewhere before, but I can't for the life of me imagine where I would have.

324 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:45:27am

re: #312 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LA Times is heading for a bottom again

John McCain gets tax-free disability pension

And I thought the LASlimes supported ADA!
/

325 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:45:57am

re: #107 realwest

Hey Ward! Stuff like this would only be a deal-breaker for them if they cared. Which they manifestly do not.

Well, I think for people who are old enough to remember the Weathermen bombings (and I'm not talking about the hippies and the radicals, but hardworking, patriotic Americans), his association with these two would be a bad thing.

326 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:46:07am

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Peace & social justice" = anti-military & socialism

I'm soo glad we think alike

327 markx  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:46:21am

re: #303 Charles


Might be a good idea to search for things I've written about Hagee before mouthing off and looking like a complete idiot.

Ouch.

That one's going to leave a mark.

328 BGOH  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:46:52am

re: #317 Macker

Damn right he should get it Tax Free! He put his life and sanity on the line for us against those DFCs which inhabit Vietnam.

That wasn't the point of the story. They are trying to undermine him by portraying him on his deathbed. Dirty and pathetic.

329 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:47:09am

re: #301 zmdavid

Is justiceforall related to justmyview?

Just another idiot troll.

330 vxbush  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:47:36am

re: #328 BGOH

That wasn't the point of the story. They are trying to undermine him by portraying him on his deathbed. Dirty and pathetic.

And lame, lame, lame... .

331 markx  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:47:46am

re: #312 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LA Times is heading for a bottom again

John McCain gets tax-free disability pension

Yeah. If that's the worst they can dig up on McCain, he shouldn't have much problem.

332 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:48:29am

re: #312 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

McCain would be the oldest man to enter the White House if he is elected president, and questions have been raised about his health.

McCain has twice developed melanoma, a potentially deadly form of skin cancer.

The fact that he is legally designated with a disability pension may raise further questions.

Typical leftist activist-journalism.

"WE'RE not raising questions. It is just that questions, you know, have been raised. By unnamed people. "Critics" were "concerned" too. "

Pretty damn ageist of them too. Old is no good, suspect, questionable.

333 beblebrox  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:48:49am

I've been playing with photoshop all morning. what does everybody think?

The New Obama Brand Waffles!

334 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:49:01am

re: #312 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

you really have to get better reading material

335 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:49:11am

re: #320 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Hynde? She's a real moonbat.

336 So?  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:49:29am

Send in the moils.

oops, wrong thread.

337 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:49:40am

re: #312 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LA Times is heading for a bottom again

I don' think they'll ever manage to get lower than the "Arnold is secretly a Nazi" smear.

338 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:49:59am

re: #332 Silhouette


I'm pretty sure they tried the same thing with Reagan

339 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:50:24am

re: #331 markx

Yeah. If that's the worst they can dig up on McCain, he shouldn't have much problem.

Precisely.

Each new bit of faux controversy strengthens McCain's case.

340 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:50:34am

re: #262 BGOH

Can we now officially begin calling Obama "Mr. Thompson?" Or would he just be Bertram Scudder?

/Atlas Shrugged reference

Balph Obama

341 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:50:54am

re: #335 Ward Cleaver

Hynde? She's a real moonbat.

Yeah, but when asked if she minded Rush playing her song, she said he can do what he wants...

I still like her... Reminds me of a misspent youth...

342 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:50:56am

re: #333 beblebrox

I've been playing with photoshop all morning. what does everybody think?

The New Obama Brand Waffles!

Recommended by Aunt Jemima!

343 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:51:11am
344 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:51:25am

re: #340 debutaunt

Balph Obama

Balph Orama?

345 zmdavid  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:51:26am

re: #338 Eowyn2

I'm pretty sure they tried the same thing with Reagan

That's why Reagan was joking about Mondale's youth and inexperience.

346 BGOH  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:51:32am

re: #333 beblebrox

I've been playing with photoshop all morning. what does everybody think?

The New Obama Brand Waffles!

Creepiest. Waffles. Ever.

Nice work, though! lol

347 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:52:19am

re: #342 jcm

Recommended by Aunt Jemima!

I have always had a crush on Aunt Jemima. Maybe its the fact that she is not stingy with the Bacon.

348 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:52:26am

re: #333 beblebrox

You damned near got me banned. LOL!

349 BGOH  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:52:31am

re: #340 debutaunt

Balph Obama

HA! I like it. How about Barack Slagenhop?

350 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:52:59am
351 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:53:16am

What is the deal with these lame troll user names? JustMyView, justiceforall, how hard are they trying to come across as normal people? They post once and then go on hiatus for a month until they've found "the perfect point that will shake LGF to its core". I know it's typical trolling behavior but goodness. Well, I'm off to lunch and then a little bit of driving around mid-Utah. See ya on the I-15!

352 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:53:56am

re: #333 beblebrox

I've been playing with photoshop all morning. what does everybody think?

The New Obama Brand Waffles!

This is pretty cool too. Say hello to my little friend!

353 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:54:29am

re: #351 bosforus

See ya on the I-15!

Not if I see you first!

Drive safe.

354 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:54:32am
355 akak  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:54:38am

#285 rice & flour ...pimf

356 Roger  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:55:04am

Got a hunch:

justiceforall = justice for scum bags etc.

357 beblebrox  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:55:52am

re: #346 BGOH

Creepiest. Waffles. Ever.

Nice work, though! lol

It just occurred to me that people are always finding the Virgin Mary on things like pieces of toast, and if Obama is the New Messiah™, than why not make a buck off the deal?

358 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:55:53am

re: #351 bosforus

The trolls like that are either just plain nuts, IMHO, or they have an agenda of trying to show how evil we are.

BTW, it sucks when your work computer hard drive dies and you have to find a substitute.

359 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:56:01am

re: #281 justiceforall

Charles, why no moral outrage from you about this guy?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

What did he do lately that is of consequence?

360 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:56:24am

re: #338 Eowyn2

I'm pretty sure they tried the same thing with Reagan

Yes, and Quayle was mocked as being too young.

361 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:56:54am

re: #346 BGOH

Creepiest. Waffles. Ever.

Nice work, though! lol

would everyone stay out so i can see the waffles.

overload on the bucket

362 vxbush  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:57:00am

re: #360 Silhouette

Yes, and Quayle was mocked as being too young.

I'm waiting for a Republican candidate to be mocked for being to, you know, Republican.

363 wolfie  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:57:05am

re: #333 beblebrox

I've been playing with photoshop all morning. what does everybody think?

The New Obama Brand Waffles!

Wonderful ! :D

364 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:57:33am

re: #285 akak

costco is rationing wheat & flour?

"good job Al" GWB

Looks more like Costco has a logistics problem. There's no rationing that I know of at the grocers here in Chicagoland.

365 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:58:18am

*GASP*

Someone I don't care about endorsed someone I don't really like!

Oh, the HUMANITY!

. . . . seriously... when can we just bitchslap lefties?

366 Sol Roth  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:58:35am

re: #255 buzzsawmonkey

The PLO was founded in 1964--the same year the Voting Rights Act was passed in the US. During the Civil Rights Movement the marchers had identified with the Israelites in bondage in Egypt, and had welcomed the participation of whites--largely Jews--in marches, organizing, voter registration drives, etc.

But as the Marxists and black separatists took the movement away from the church-based roots, the whites were increasingly less welcome. In the end, Stokely Carmichael--an open anti-semite who later converted to Islam and changed his name--told the whites to get out.

It is no coincidence that efforts were made between the Marxists and black separatists who were hijacking the civil rights movement and imploding it away from black participation in the larger society and the founders of the PLO to draw parallels between American blacks and the newly-invented "Palestinians"--and away from the movement's former identification with the Jews. The PLO had the same Marxist roots as the domestic black radicals--and many of the domestic black radicals were already playing footsie with Islam, whether in its classic form or in the form of the racist offshoot NOI.

The "sister movement" relationship between the murderous radicals of the Middle East and the race-hustlers who supplanted the principled leadership of the Civil Rights Movement's early years has been in place for over 40 years. The roots of the Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, and Bernardine Dohrn go back to that early connection. Obama and his wife grew up marinated in this relationship.

Exemplary post! This is why I read LGF everyday.

367 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:58:36am

re: #356 Roger

Got a hunch:

justiceforall = justice for scum bags etc.

world cant wait mole

368 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:58:57am

re: #334 Eowyn2

you really have to get better reading material

Was out of TP

369 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:59:55am

re: #223 realwest

they do have a problem don't they?

370 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:01:42am

Realwest

Obama cannot and will not win in a general. This item alone will give him fits in the fall.

You are who you choose to associate with.

371 realwest  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:01:46am

re: #369 Ayatollah Ghilmeini Yep, they sure do!
BTW, has LGF been down for anyone other than me?!

372 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:04:28am

re: #371 realwest

Yep, they sure do!
BTW, has LGF been down for anyone other than me?!

I am always down with LGF...

373 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:04:59am

re: #368 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

figured as much. But isnt the times a bit thick?

374 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:05:04am

re: #362 vxbush

I'm waiting for a Republican candidate to be mocked for being to, you know, Republican.

Like when they were "concerned" that the new Pope was so...Catholic.

375 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:05:04am

Hatem? Really? I mean, really? It is a parody unto itself, which is a good thing 'cuz I got nuthin'.

/wrecked 'em?

376 realwest  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:05:55am

re: #370 Ayatollah Ghilmeini I think that our problem is two-fold: a) getting the MSM to report on this stuff so the voters KNOW about it and b) getting the voters to care!
And I honestly don't think we'll get a) at all.
And John McCain has let MANY opportunities to show folks what Obama really is (as recently as his comment on Obama cancelling the debate with Hillary in North Carolina today (sorry, someone posted it upthread, but I've forgotten where since I was off LGF for so long!).
I'm afraid McCain is going to run another "Bob Dole" type of campaign - very gentlemanly and trying to stick to the real issues, which we already know Obama doesn't want to talk about

377 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:07:07am

re: #333 beblebrox

I've been playing with photoshop all morning. what does everybody think?

The New Obama Brand Waffles!

If that showed up on one of my waffles, I think I'd scream.

378 realwest  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:07:17am

re: #372 coquimbojoe
Great, thanks for letting me know that.


ANYONE ELSE having problems raising LGF today?!

379 HDrepub  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:07:26am

re: #320 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Ya know I'm gettin' along in years now but that song still makes a tingle run down my middle leg.

380 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:07:50am
381 realwest  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:08:25am

Ah screw it - I'm going to lunch.

3-Wood - if you're out here anywhere, please check your e-mail!

382 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:08:29am

Does anyone know of a good website that contains all the horrible things we've learned about Obama in a discrete package? Honestly, the guy has so many warts it's hard to keep track of all of them. I'd love to be able to point his supporters to a comprehensive list of all the socialist, race-baiting horrors he believes in (not that it'll do much good).

383 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:08:48am

re: #350 buzzsawmonkey

Remember that the waffle represents utter equality in the Marxist utopia. Every square exactly alike.

Of course, some squares get a little more syrup than the others...

Every square is an L7 Weenie...

384 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:08:51am

re: #104 NoSubmission

From Obama's People Page.

He's got everyone broken down into their identity group by race, gender, age, etc.. What? No Bitter Gun and God Clingers? I demand justice!

I can't find the Typical White People category.

385 3 wood  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:09:16am

re: #376 realwest

Hey real. I got your message.

I'm actually giving some final exams right now (*evil laugh as 3 wood watches undergrad's struggling with upper level finance questions*), and I'll get in touch with you when I get done.

386 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:09:47am

re: #374 Silhouette

Like when they were "concerned" that the new Pope was so...Catholic.

he did some major reprimanding. Said something to the effect that today's politicos are not dealing in reality.

387 realwest  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:09:54am

re: #380 buzzsawmonkey Well, you can always hope, I suppose, but I just don't see it that way at all.
But then again, I have been wrong once or twice before! LOL!
Off to lunch - hope to see y'all later.

388 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:11:09am

re: #374 Silhouette

Like when they were "concerned" that the new Pope was so...Catholic.

The Left prefers the John Kerry/Ted Kennedy catholic.

The one that goes for the image, but really is just a whitewashed tomb.

That way they're socially corruptable and able to be swayed to the socialist mantra.

389 wolfie  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:11:56am

re: #376 realwest

That's why Hillary's win in PA is so important. The longer the Dems can hurt each other, the better. The Dem race creates a split, however slight, in the MSM.
That has allowed things like Wright's videos, "Bittergate," the Ayers friendship, etc. to see the light of day. It has also allowed most of the MSM to attack Hillary as the liar she is. Dole did not have this advantage.
I remain tentatively hopeful that the damage will last through November.

390 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:11:59am

re: #385 3 wood

By the way... when I asked, earlier, about taking a class of yours...

You do realize that it'd have to be an intro to introduction to economics, right?

I can balance a checkbook...

391 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:13:33am
392 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:14:12am
393 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:14:38am

re: #392 buzzsawmonkey

On your nose? On the back of your hand? This I want to see.

You should see what I can do to an encyclopedia!

394 neocon hippie  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:15:15am

Good news on the home front. My liberal girlfriend who was so enthralled by Obama is "no longer in love." And we have had a couple riproaring fights in recent months when her infatuation has come up against my absolute distaste for the man. I have a feeling that she's not the only one out there, by a long shot.

I'm still very much scared of a Clinton-Obama ticket which could unify the clashing halves of the Dems. If any one can make the case that the Obamabots wouldn't be satisfied with the VP slot, I'd be very glad to hear it. And Barry is opportunistic enough to hitch his wagon to the Clintons.

The competitive race up to now has been a very good thing, but perhaps it's time for Operation Chaos to switch to helping put it away for Obama so that the Dems are stuck with him. And Hillary would never accept the VP position under him.

395 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:17:07am

re: #364 Honorary Yooper

Looks more like Costco has a logistics problem. There's no rationing that I know of at the grocers here in Chicagoland.

The thing is a combination of how Costco works and Silicon Valley demographics.

First - Costco sells bulk items and dedicates limited space to any particular item category. Stockouts at Costco are quite common - one week there are patio heaters, next week there aren't. Furthermore, the store manager decides reorder points.

Second - Silicon Valley is flooded with educated immigrant labor because: A) our Universities find it more important to expand the numbers of graduates in fields like Women's Studies and Cultural Anthropology than it does in Engineering; and B) foreign labor is cheap, so it is easier to fly folks in from India than to open an R&D center in Michigan or Ohio, where there is a supply of engineers, but they want more money than guys from Bophal.

The Asian engineers buy lots of rice, and they want it cheap from Costco. So there is your stockout condition.

More interesting is that the press exploits this as economic woe, without questioning why the richest people in the world (the SF area "Billionaires Row" elites) finance companies that don't employ Americans in places where Americans live but fly in cheap labor instead, and then finance politicians who talk about ending free trade (which partly makes the cheap imported labor possible). Such a story would expose the grotesque hypocrisy of the Pelosi Democrats and would demonstrate why common Americans should RUN from the Democratic party.

396 HDrepub  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:19:00am

re: #395 karmic_inquisitor

Stockouts at Costco are quite common - one week there are patio heaters, next week there aren't.

Sounds a lot like the Wal-Mart Supercenter here.

397 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:19:33am

re: #394 neocon hippie

And Hillary would never accept the VP position under him.

I"m not so confident in that, although I know where it is coming from. She is arrogance distilled. Nonetheless, I think she'd be willing to take it as a stepping stone to the top.

She wouldn't be the "go to foreign funerals and stay in the background" kind of VP, though, and they'd clash to no end. She'd try to drive from the VP seat, just as she did from the First Ladies office.

398 akak  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:22:26am

Walmart too...

399 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:23:13am

re: #283 jcm

She did,

Hynde battled Rush Limbaugh over his use of her song "My City Was Gone", coming to an accommodation in 1999.[5]

Rush uses the intro and the bridge at 2:40

/apropos of nothing

400 justiceforall  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:23:23am

re: #321 buzzsawmonkey

Not really. He was/is kind of nuts, in my opinion.

401 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:24:38am

re: #397 Silhouette

I"m not so confident in that, although I know where it is coming from. She is arrogance distilled. Nonetheless, I think she'd be willing to take it as a stepping stone to the top.

She wouldn't be the "go to foreign funerals and stay in the background" kind of VP, though, and they'd clash to no end. She'd try to drive from the VP seat, just as she did from the First Ladies office.

My liberal half-brother said that if Obama is Pres and Hillary is VP, look for an assassination.

402 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:24:44am

re: #301 zmdavid

Is justiceforall related to justmyview?

Just a coincidence.

403 3 wood  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:24:59am

re: #390 LanceKates

You do realize that it'd have to be an intro to introduction to economics, right?

Yep. No problem.

404 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:26:01am

re: #403 3 wood

lol.. ok. Just didn't want to get in WAY over my head.

405 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:26:09am
406 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:26:38am

re: #405 buzzsawmonkey

Of which one?

Obama. Even HE knows how badly Hillary wants to be queen.

407 3 wood  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:27:55am

re: #394 neocon hippie

If any one can make the case that the Obamabots wouldn't be satisfied with the VP slot, I'd be very glad to hear it. And Barry is opportunistic enough to hitch his wagon to the Clintons.

Obama would rather be the Governor of Illinois than VP.

And there is a pretty good chance of the current Governor of Illinois modeling orange jumpsuits in the near future.

408 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:28:07am

re: #345 zmdavid

That's why Reagan was joking about Mondale's youth and inexperience.

First presidential debate I ever watched (I was 12). I liked Reagan even before the debate but I absolutely loved that moment!

409 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:29:34am

re: #362 vxbush

I'm waiting for a Republican candidate to be mocked for being to, you know, Republican.

Turn on the news, shouldn't take more than 10 minutes.

410 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:29:41am
411 3 wood  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:30:50am

re: #406 LanceKates

Obama. Even HE knows how badly Hillary wants to be queen.

Obama would never let a situation occur where Slick Willie is wandering the hallways in the White House if Obama becomes President.

Not gonna happen.

412 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:31:51am

re: #411 3 wood

I don't think he'd ask her to be his VP.

I think he might accept if she asks him to be VP though... 2 terms admin experience, then his own run in 2016 against me.

413 Daisy  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:32:07am

re: #281 justiceforall

Charles, why no moral outrage from you about this guy?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Who says one cannot have moral outrage against John Hagee's belief system? Is your point that Hagee and Hatem el Hady are morally equivalent? If so, you are only partly correct. Leaving aside Hady's terror sponsoring activities (and the possible next First Lady's effective co-sponsorship via her endorsement of his terror-mongering) please examine the fact that the greater religious body that surrounds Hagee is different in every possible way from the greater religious body surrounding Hatem. Hagee is surrounded by a functional Christianity - which essentially (and practically) abjures his ignorance and hate. Hatem is surrounded by Islamism, which essentially (and practically) supports his ignorance and hate. As such, Hagee's beliefs and practices are aberrant and Hatem's beliefs and practices are mainstream.

You probably refer to Hagee's association w/McCain. Don't confuse a peripheral association w/ a close association. Michelle Obama is endorsing Hatem. McCain has not endorsed Hagee; Hagee has endorsed McCain.

Big Difference.

414 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:32:59am

re: #379 HDrepub

Ya know I'm gettin' along in years now but that song still makes a tingle run down my middle leg.

It takes a great deal of courage for someone to stand up in front of a crowd of thousands of people and tell people what it really is. It's not just that, of course. The music absolutely rocks. Later versions miss that insight.

Obama could learn a much from that song.

415 Daisy  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:34:07am

re: #405 buzzsawmonkey

Of which one?

Perhaps a suicide bombing by either one?

416 McJenny50  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:34:14am

re: #78 surfer dude

I have a business associate that is thoroughly convinced that Obama is a worshipper of Mo. I hope he doesn't see this or I will never hear the end of it.

If McCain went 24/7 on this evidence, Obama wouldn't get uno voto.

I am not convinced but I surely do wonder about it. Does anyone know if the UCC requires Baptism to become a member?

417 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:36:45am
418 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:37:21am

re: #416 McJenny50

Obama eats pork. If he's a muslim, he's screwed.

419 Daisy  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:40:09am

re: #417 buzzsawmonkey

Bite your tongue! Then we get Pelosi as President.

Tongue bitten. :)

420 Daisy  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:42:43am

re: #418 LanceKates

Obama eats pork. If he's a muslim, he's screwed.

Weren't Mo Atta and friends boozing and whoring it up on 9/10? I think they makes exceptions for important causes.

421 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:44:04am

re: #418 LanceKates

Obama eats pork. If he's a muslim, he's screwed.

I think you're allowed some leeway when living amongst the kaffir.

422 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:47:58am

re: #420 Daisy

re: #421 incanus

... heh. convenient, eh?

It is true though... when I worked for a certain video store chain, the most likely to rent what passed for porn was crusty old men. Just behind them were men who dressed like muslims and often had 'muslim sounding names' . . . they normally rented 3 movies, wholly unrelated and of different genres, then between them would be the 'what passed for porn' movie.

423 akak  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:47:58am

re: #395 karmic_inquisitor

anti rice hoarding task force

/arhtf

p.s Special ops ain't in the Phillipines for terrorists, it's all about the rice!

424 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:48:59am

re: #423 akak

anti rice hoarding task force

/arhtf

p.s Special ops ain't in the Phillipines for terrorists, it's all about the rice!

NO WAR FOR RICE!

Ag Department lied! People died!

How much did Bush know?

Fire can't burn rice!

/

425 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:57:28am
426 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:57:45am

Bad: Your wife wants a divorce.
Worse: She's a lawyer.

Bad: Your wife's leaving you.
Worse: For another woman.

BAD: having a terrorist fundraiser raising money for you
WORSE: Your wife has him as a "buddy"

427 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:58:01am

re: #425 buzzsawmonkey

I have saucepan evidence which will dispute your claims.

That just means that you're in on the conspiracy.

Just like those steelworkers who suggest that fire can melt steel.

428 J.S.  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:01:03pm

Speaking of "waffles"...hmmm...Once upon a time (oh say around the seventies) here in Canada there was an ultra-left-wing party called the Waffle...The Waffle party published a "Manifesto for an Independent Socialist Canada" -- and their big "thing" was visceral hatred of the United States. The Waffle party was formed by dissidents from the already ultra-left NDP (New Democratic Party); they quite the NDP and formed the Waffle...(many, many years ago, I have to admit, I supported the NDP...) So, anywho, for Canadians (ok, older ones), the mention of "Waffle" brings up that "Socialism for Canada Now!" dream...

429 J.S.  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:05:17pm

oops...make that "quit" not "quite" ... Oh, here's a link also...

430 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:24:30pm

I can't be the first * the person before the second one to say that Hatem is a perfect name for him.

*EIM is on double secret firsties probation and if he knows what's good for him he won't even think about using the word.

431 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:25:27pm

re: #301 zmdavid

Sock puppet perhaps?

432 TOWM  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:34:52pm

#193
Thanks for the link. My Serbian husband doesn't drink Vodka, but he'd love a bottle of something labeled "Tito's"-anything.

433 Leah  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:53:25pm

speaking of terrorists...try giving this hotline a call and asking some pointed questions 877-Why-Islam

434 NYC_Mike  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 1:26:47pm

Actually, thanks to the great folk at the AP - there is a real explanation as to why Obama hasn't secured the nomination -

of course - it's because we're all racists!


[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Great professional analysis too. See even though a recent survey found
only about 8% of Americans would be uncomfortable with a Black president, thankfully the AP knows that there are many more of
us with sheets in our closets.

Thanks AP...just for being you!

435 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 2:43:20pm

Hatem's "points" have dropped. In the screenshot above, he has 288 ponts, and is in 30,229th "place," and now he has 264 points, and is in 37,771st place and falling. Maybe that has to do with the little fundraising thermometer, just below where the screenshot ends. Hatem has raised $60, from two people. He still has three friends though!

436 eaglewingz08  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 3:10:30pm

With a name like Hate m El Had(y)es he must be a muslim saint. It's no wonder that Michelle, I've never been really proud of the US in my adult lifetime, is a friend.

437 LeonidasOfSparta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 3:44:05pm

Michelle Obama, the gift that keeps on giving. Give that woman the microphone, NO script, and let her speak to the "masses" from her heart...

438 threeCents  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 3:52:18pm

This may be cheap shot, but is there something more than meets the eye about his first name? Hate (e)m?

439 LeonidasOfSparta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:02:55pm

re: #307 NoSubmission

IMHO BHussein is already a Troofer. His spiritual advisor is a Troofer. His NUTROOTS are Troofers. He's just hiding that part of his twisted ideological mania...but each day that mask slips a little. Before long we will see the full, unexpurgated, unabridged, unedited and un"spun" BHussein.

You can fool some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time but you can't fool all the people all the time...and he can't keep up THE LIE, he can't continue wearing the mask and he can't play "which thimble hides the pea" smoke and mirrors game for long-- there's NO pea, and Naked (GAG) Emperor BHussein has NO NEW CLOTHES.

440 americanmale[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:04:37pm
441 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:22:57pm

he really is anti-flag. looking at his propaganda photo where he gazes off pretending to be in deep thought, he has the circle shaped emblem w/ red and turquoise colors. it's a round shape. it's an O. it's all abt. him.
it's not abt. our country.
the flag represents our country.
but he's not on board w/ that purpose. he's got his own special unique decal. this narcissistic moron really has bought into his own hype. he's a shallow ignorant over educated elitist.
he knows nothing abt the people who make up this country and actually revere the flag and see thru his phony attempt to hijack it w/ an O.

442 Bill M  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:55:21pm

"By their supporters shall ye know them."

443 katt  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 7:03:16pm

Yes, their supporters speak volumes. There will be dancing in the streets, like the kind we saw on 911, if he wins.

Youtube Video

444 LeonidasOfSparta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:20:05pm

I heard Michael Yon on Mark Levine Radio tonight on my way home --Yon is such a great journalist and citizen of this Nation I am proud to call my home. I hope some of you heard the interview.

445 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:35:07pm

Forums that Obama appeared at that also included Ayers were set up by none other than...Michelle Obama.

This information along with the fact that Obama served with Ayers on the Board of the Woods Foundation, gives the lie to Obama’s claim that he doesn’t know Ayers very well. And both of those forums at U of C were set up by none other than Michelle Obama in her capacity as University of Chcago PR executive; evidently she too saw nothing wrong in glad handing with terrorists.
446 Picayune  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:54:44pm

Come onnn! Why berate Michelle for being a Marxist, anti-American, black racist, pro-African-African American, elitist!

After all she just the recipient of the "guilt ridden, voter grabbin" effort of the "Great Society" of the LBJ Dem party's effort to afford opportunity to the downtrodden "victims" to place her in the highest Ivy league universities above the more educationally qualified to prove that, that ... well, that they can deliver, that's all. Can't be her fault.

So the baby rattle snake as a pet grew up and bit you - HAAA.

Are we really ready to turn over the reigns of power to the Dems, after this?

The silent majority will speak in November, til then, let's hope Michelle continues to speak as well!

447 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 8:26:56am

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