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Bombed Syrian Reactor Was 'Nearing Completion'

Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:37:01 pm PDT

Syria was apparently very close to having the means to produce nuclear weapons, with the help of North Korea: Bombed Syrian reactor was nearly complete.

The Bush administration will tell Congress tomorrow that a nuclear facility in Syria built with North Korean help was nearly complete when Israel bombed it in September, and that Pyongyang has not provided any further nuclear assistance to the hard-line Arab nation, at least at that site, U.S. officials said.

CIA Director Michael V. Hayden and other intelligence officials are expected to brief several congressional committees in closed-door sessions, breaking the administration’s silence on the issue.

The Syrian facility has become a key issue in six-nation negotiations to end the North’s nuclear programs.

“The fact is that the reactor was nearing completion,” said one official familiar with the content of the briefings. “It would have been able to produce plutonium.”

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1 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:37:49pm

I guess Obama did not have time to talk to them yet or they would have stopped.

2 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:38:11pm

Oopsie, build a new one, assholes.

3 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:39:33pm
4 Cognito  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:39:43pm

This is so strange to me. How did Syria manage to sneak around and build a nuclear facility, without notice, while Iran has loudly building one for years without success (yet)?

I'm going to bet the Iranian nuclear scientists aren't sleeping very well, these days.

5 DesertSage  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:43:53pm

re: #3 song_and_dance_man

Iran, does this concern you? You bet it does.

If Israel doesn't take care of Iran, Hillary will. I heard her say it.

6 stevieray  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:44:30pm

re: #4 Cognito

This is so strange to me. How did Syria manage to sneak around and build a nuclear facility, without notice, while Iran has loudly building one for years without success (yet)?

I'm going to bet the Iranian nuclear scientists aren't sleeping very well, these days.

While the boastful Alphas get the press, the sneaky Betas have free rein.

7 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:44:50pm

re: #5 DesertSage

If Israel doesn't take care of Iran, Hillary will. I heard her say it.

Must be true then.

8 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:45:03pm

Gotta love those Israelis. They have the beytsim to go after evil even when their "leader" is as bad as Ohlmert.

9 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:45:12pm

re: #6 stevieray

While the boastful Alphas get the press, the sneaky Betas have free rein.

Shell game with the highest stakes.

10 Cognito  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:45:46pm

re: #6 stevieray

While the boastful Alphas get the press, the sneaky Betas have free rein.

I've got my eye on Luxembourg. We haven't heard a peep out of their nuclear program in years....

11 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:45:53pm

re: #3 song_and_dance_man

The Iranians have a slight advantage over the Syrians. The Iranian reactors are already running. Hitting a running reactor has some more serious implications.

12 BGOH  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:46:19pm

BUT WE HAVE TO TALK TO THEM!

/

13 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:46:37pm
14 Cognito  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:46:48pm

re: #8 Truck Monkey

Gotta love those Israelis. They have the beytsim to go after evil even when their "leader" is as bad as Ohlmert.

Notice nobody in the world -- in a world that loves to heap criticism on Israel -- said a word about it. Silence said a lot.

15 Talos  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:46:59pm

Go Israel Go!

16 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:47:01pm

re: #12 BGOH

BUT WE HAVE TO TALK TO THEM!

/

There are many forms of communication. Not all use words.

17 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:47:18pm

bbiab

18 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:47:36pm
19 vapig  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:47:51pm

Hooray for Israel! They've the world two HUGE favors and they get spat upon for it.

20 Cognito  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:47:58pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

Hitting a running reactor has some more serious implications.

Serpentine, serpentine...

21 guzziguy  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:48:05pm

re: #4 Cognito

I'm going to bet the Iranian nuclear scientists aren't sleeping very well, these days.

I'll at least bet that they're sleeping several miles upwind.

22 BGOH  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:48:22pm

re: #16 MandyManners

There are many forms of communication. Not all use words.

Some use pain. I love it. We need to combine those for the rotating tag:

"There are many forms of communication. Not all use words - some use pain."

23 freetoken  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:48:50pm

re: #4 Cognito

It is a weird story. Probably we need to separate the two fundamental processes (1) building a reactor facility, and (2) building a uranium ore processing capability.

Apparently Syria was doing #1 but not #2, and Iran has been doing #2 (and they already have a research reactor they had developed/bought.)

The question is, if Syria was building a reactor... why? Besides electricity generation one builds a reactor to control a fission process (in order to create other radioactive isotopes.) The Syrians apparently were not building an electricity plant (needs water, connection to major electricity distribution grid, etc.) So, if indeed they were building a reactor facility that means they wanted to create isotopes.

Now, perhaps they want to create radioactive isotopes for medical uses... or perhaps they were hoping to make plutonium which has only a few uses, almost all of them quite bad...

24 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:49:04pm
25 Cognito  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:49:24pm

re: #21 guzziguy

I'll at least bet that they're sleeping several miles upwind.

"Ah, hi, yes, this is Dr. Khalid. I'm feeling a bit (hack, cough) under the weather today. Yes, yes. I know. Thirty days this month. It's a virus, I think."

26 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:49:35pm
27 mickthemick  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:50:40pm

Right after this event happened, I read another, very interesting intel analysis of this event. There's another theory that Israel intentionally hit an abandoned warehouse that at one time had stored military stuff, was deactivated when the IAF struck. However, taking that building out was not the real intention of the raid. The purpose of the strike was to test the Syrian air defenses, which had been recently upgraded by the Russians. Those defenses failed miserably. The result was a disaster for Syria, and that was the theory as to why they'd stayed mum for so long about the raid - Israel completely caught them with their pants down, and its jets were back over Israeli airspace before the Syrians knew what hit them.

This article went on to theorize that Iran has deployed the same Russian "technology," and the real purpose of the raid was to test Iran's air defenses, and not necessarily Syria's.

28 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:50:43pm

It was for peaceful purpose.
Make plutonium
Build a bomb
nuke Israel

PEACE!
/

29 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:50:44pm

re: #18 song_and_dance_man

It will be interesting to see how they take them out. I suspect they Israeli strikes will disable the plants forcing them to shut down. Then the final strike will destroy them. Anyone know how long it takes to shut down a nuclear reactor? A week maybe?

30 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:50:59pm

Hmmm...Wonder if the Syrians received any help or materials from Iraq before the US invasion?

31 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:51:05pm

Are we not embarrassed, having Israel doing a job that should rightfully be ours?

32 cicero05  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:51:45pm

Building a nuclear reactor in Israel's neighborhood is like putting a sign on your back that says "Bomb Me."

BTW, I wonder how that nuclear program is going in Iran.

33 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:51:54pm

re: #23 freetoken

If the Syrians were building #1 and the Iranians were doing #2, and since we know Syria and Iran to be allied, I suspect they planned on moving material from #2 to #1. Syria is closer to Israel after all.

34 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:52:50pm

re: #27 mickthemick

Right after this event happened, I read another, very interesting intel analysis of this event. There's another theory that Israel intentionally hit an abandoned warehouse that at one time had stored military stuff, was deactivated when the IAF struck. However, taking that building out was not the real intention of the raid. The purpose of the strike was to test the Syrian air defenses, which had been recently upgraded by the Russians. Those defenses failed miserably. The result was a disaster for Syria, and that was the theory as to why they'd stayed mum for so long about the raid - Israel completely caught them with their pants down, and its jets were back over Israeli airspace before the Syrians knew what hit them.

This article went on to theorize that Iran has deployed the same Russian "technology," and the real purpose of the raid was to test Iran's air defenses, and not necessarily Syria's.

The Air Defense thing is correct. IAF actively spoofed the Syrian defense, in such a way they not only didn't know a raid was underway, but they didn't know they were being jammed. Iran has bought the same gear.

As to the empty warehouse, don't think so Syrian went to a lot of trouble cleaning up the site.

35 freetoken  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:53:03pm

re: #31 WhiteRasta

Are we not embarrassed, having Israel doing a job that should rightfully be ours?

Why is it "our" "job"?

36 missouri boy  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:53:47pm

It sucks to be iran

37 DesertSage  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:54:03pm

re: #22 BGOH

When I was a young Lance Corporal I taped a sign on the back of my Sargent's shirt. It said "I dig pain". People laughed at him for hours.
When he found out that I did it, I was put on mess duty for two weeks.

38 Cognito  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:54:04pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

It will be interesting to see how they take them out. I suspect they Israeli strikes will disable the plants forcing them to shut down. Then the final strike will destroy them. Anyone know how long it takes to shut down a nuclear reactor? A week maybe?

Heck, a few seconds, if I understand correctly. If something trips the safety steel/boron rods, which absorb neutrons like sponges, the whole thing blinks out pretty quick.

Then again, I'm pretty much making it up as I go.

39 freetoken  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:54:25pm

re: #33 Honorary Yooper

Yup, that is one possibility. Besides being a division of labor, having multiple projects helps with survivability.

Still, the last word has not been spoken about that strike in Syria. Certainly it is one of the murkier stories that clings on and doesn't go away...

40 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:54:37pm

re: #31 WhiteRasta

Are we not embarrassed, having Israel doing a job that should rightfully be ours?

I think the Israelis might dispute that. They would think it to be their job as Syria is their neighbor.

41 Cognito  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:54:53pm

re: #31 WhiteRasta

Are we not embarrassed, having Israel doing a job that should rightfully be ours?

We work with Israel. Always have.

42 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:55:00pm

As with Iraqi reactor, the Israeli's did the world a favor. Everyone knew it was the best solution for a sticky situation, blame Israel and breathe a sigh of relief. I don't think you will see much real action if Israel and the US take down Iran's nuclear capacity. Yes, they will bitch and whine, and that will be that....

43 mickthemick  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:55:59pm

re: #34 jcm

IMO, the nuke thing is smoke and mirrors. If that warehouse hid anything, I am not convinced it was nuke technology. Perhaps, it was some of Saddam's other WMD stuff that has allegedly been smuggled into Syria? Hezbollah rocket factory, maybe? Syrian missile development? I don't quite buy the nuke argument.

44 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:56:47pm
The Bush administration will tell Congress tomorrow

Ooh, everything they say is a lie. Hillbama told me so.

that a nuclear facility

Not a nuclear facility. Liars.

in Syria

Not in Syria. Liars.

built with North Korean help

Nope, the Norks didn't help. Liars.

was nearly complete

Nope, it wasn't. Liars.

when Israel bombed it in September

No they didn't. I mean...wait...

/damn it's hard holding to the party line with these complex stories.

45 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:56:57pm

re: #5 DesertSageHi All,, LOL, sage, I heard her say she was under sniper fire and named after Sir Edmund Hilliary, too! (tongue firmly in cheek)

46 cicero05  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:57:41pm

I'm really surpised Hans Blix didn't find this thing and take care of it himself.

47 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:57:49pm

re: #42 LoFlyer

As with Iraqi reactor, the Israeli's did the world a favor. Everyone knew it was the best solution for a sticky situation, blame Israel and breathe a sigh of relief. I don't think you will see much real action if Israel and the US take down Iran's nuclear capacity. Yes, they will bitch and whine, and that will be that....

They do that anyway. Just get it done already, let the whining continue.

48 Attaboid  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:57:56pm

I don't believe it was a reactor. No cooling towers! More like a plutonium processing/forming site.

49 Alouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:58:21pm

re: #46 cicero05

I'm really surpised Hans Blix didn't find this thing and take care of it himself.

Hans Brix couldn't find his own way out of the shark tank.

50 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:58:46pm

re: #46 cicero05

I'm really surpised Hans Blix didn't find this thing and take care of it himself.

Blix fix nix.

51 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:59:18pm

re: #49 Alouette

Hans Brix couldn't find his own way out of the shark tank.

Much less a paper bag.

52 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:00:08pm

Frankly, this is simply another example of a Bush administration failure. I'm glad that his time as President is almost over. He has been a great disappointment.

53 BGOH  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:00:09pm

re: #46 cicero05

I'm really surpised Hans Blix didn't find this thing and take care of it himself.

Herro Hans Brix. Miss somering?

/Kim Jong Illin'

54 wolfie  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:00:49pm

re: #27 mickthemick

Very interesting. Hmmmmm........

55 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:01:12pm

re: #52 M. Bensson-Levi

Frankly, this is simply another example of a Bush administration failure. I'm glad that his time as President is almost over. He has been a great disappointment.

It could've been worse. You would rather Kerry or Gore?

56 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:01:15pm

re: #43 mickthemick

IMO, the nuke thing is smoke and mirrors. If that warehouse hid anything, I am not convinced it was nuke technology. Perhaps, it was some of Saddam's other WMD stuff that has allegedly been smuggled into Syria? Hezbollah rocket factory, maybe? Syrian missile development? I don't quite buy the nuke argument.

The thing that stands out to me is the dogs that didn't bark. None of the Arab states said a word. Usually when the IDF whacks something they make all kinds of racket about it.

What ever it was is way over the line even for the Arab States.

57 Elydo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:01:19pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

To SCRAM a reactor takes a few seconds, after which time there is no risk of meltdown. But the core still contains radioactive material, which an explosive strike could still spread. The decommissioning and deconstruction of reactors can take years, for those reasons.

Note that commercial reactors have taken to using the terminology of "trip" for the same process, as SCRAM has entered reasonably common usage, and 'trip' sounds like just a little glitch, heh. Rather than "We almost went Chernobyl, but hey, it's all ok"

58 freetoken  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:01:36pm

re: #43 mickthemick

It is not that the building stored nuclear weapons of even a stockpile of enriched uranium.

The question is, were they in the process of building a small reactor. See this ISIS pdf and followup 1 and followup 2.

59 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:01:38pm

re: #49 Alouette
Hans Blix couldnt find his own ass with both hands.

60 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:02:48pm

re: #45 CapeCoddah

Hi All,, LOL, sage, I heard her say she was under sniper fire and named after Sir Edmund Hilliary, too! (tongue firmly in cheek)

Fer sure! Hilary's parents were deeply fascinated with bee's and were pen-pals with virtually unknown bee-keeper Edmund Hillary via Internet email. Al Gore provided the Internet free of charge to Hillary's parents as a gesture of respect to the unborn Hillary...

61 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:02:53pm

re: #59 CapeCoddah

Hans Blix couldnt find his own ass with both hands.

He can actually find his ass? That's news to me.

62 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:04:03pm

re: #60 LoFlyer
LMAO... Good one!

63 Attaboid  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:04:33pm

Can't find the satelite before and after photos.

64 Rancher  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:04:51pm

re: #5 DesertSage

If Israel doesn't take care of Iran, Hillary will. I heard her say it.


Different strategy, she will wait for Israel to be nuked first.

65 Attaboid  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:05:31pm

$%^# Try this [Link: www.israel-palestina.info...]

66 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:05:37pm

re: #61 Honorary Yooper
COULD NOT find, Yooper, COULD NOT!

67 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:05:42pm

re: #38 Cognito

I think the answer is here. I still don't know.

68 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:05:46pm

re: #55 Honorary Yooper

It could've been worse. You would rather Kerry or Gore?

Well, yeah. Gore could have had Israel completely given away by now (seven years).

Kerry would still be looking for the Jordan so he could infiltrate something.

69 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:06:02pm

re: #63 Attaboid

Can't find the satelite before and after photos.

You linked this thread?

70 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:06:14pm

re: #57 Elydo

Ah, thanks.

71 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:06:28pm

re: #61 Honorary Yooper

He can actually find his ass? That's news to me.

That's easy. Get his hands on his neck and slide them up to his head. Voila.

72 wolfie  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:06:39pm

Fetuccini. BBL !

73 EC Marm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:07:25pm

If Iran is actually building any sort of nuclear capability. In a Pavlovian response, the more Iran talks about centrifuges and removing Israel from the map, the higher the price of oil goes, and the more money Iran receives. At this point, I'd bomb the sons of bitches just to call their bluff. Nothing there? Sorry, carry on. Yeah, you can hand that U.N. resolution to Condi, she's over there.

74 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:08:22pm

re: #73 EC Marm

If Iran is actually building any sort of nuclear capability. In a Pavlovian response, the more Iran talks about centrifuges and removing Israel from the map, the higher the price of oil goes, and the more money Iran receives. At this point, I'd bomb the sons of bitches just to call their bluff. Nothing there? Sorry, carry on. Yeah, you can hand that U.N. resolution to Condi, she's over there.

It's a U.N. resolution. Hand it to Jimmah.

75 BGOH  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:09:00pm

re: #56 jcm

The thing that stands out to me is the dogs that didn't bark. None of the Arab states said a word. Usually when the IDF whacks something they make all kinds of racket about it.

What ever it was is way over the line even for the Arab States.

Excellent point. Simply brilliant. I hadn't thought of it that way.

Could it be that the Arab world doesn't want the meme of Bush and Blair being warmongering liars destroyed? Hmm...if Israel has any information, I hope they release it at the end of October...BWHAHAHA!

76 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:09:08pm

re: #55 Honorary Yooper

It could've been worse. You would rather Kerry or Gore?

Of course not, but neither of them could have disappointed me.

Also, aside from taxes, which admittedly is a pretty big aside, and perhaps the GWoT, how much worse could either of them really have been?

OK, so they really suck!, but George is a real disappointment . He's much too passive, I believe, and not nearly large, or aggressive enough for the challenges that faced him.

Better than Gore, and Kerry ain't a whole lotta up!

77 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:09:11pm

re: #52 M. Bensson-Levi

Frankly, this is simply another example of a Bush administration failure. I'm glad that his time as President is almost over. He has been a great disappointment.

As long as don't count Supreme Court justices, John Bolton, tax cuts, good economy (until the Democrats took over), no assault rifle bans, no terrorist attacks since 9-11.

78 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:09:13pm

re: #64 Rancher

Different strategy, she will wait for Israel to be nuked first.

Then she will talk about a few travel sanctions againt Iran till the next one hits in Europe. A scared witless France then nukes Iran to a glass parking lot and the world blames France for unilateral actions and then goes on to business as usual....

79 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:09:25pm

re: #35 freetoken

"Our job" is to keep nukes out of the hands of barbarians, I'm sure you agree......

80 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:10:00pm

God bless the IAF.

81 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:10:18pm

re: #57 Elydo

To SCRAM a reactor takes a few seconds, after which time there is no risk of meltdown. But the core still contains radioactive material, which an explosive strike could still spread. The decommissioning and deconstruction of reactors can take years, for those reasons.

Note that commercial reactors have taken to using the terminology of "trip" for the same process, as SCRAM has entered reasonably common usage, and 'trip' sounds like just a little glitch, heh. Rather than "We almost went Chernobyl, but hey, it's all ok"

SCRAMThey had a control rod hanging from the ceiling by a rope tied off by the door, and an axe by the rope. If things went awry they yelled and everyone ran for the single door, with one of 'em taking the axe cutting the rope and dropping the control rod.

82 Cognito  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:10:48pm

re: #79 WhiteRasta

"Our job" is to keep nukes out of the hands of barbarians, I'm sure you agree......

But I think that in many of these matters -- including the case at hand -- we and Israel work in tandem. The left hand doesn't need to do 'the job' if the right hand is handling it.

83 Athos  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:10:49pm

re: #61 Honorary Yooper

It's where he keeps his head.

(Now we're both going to get strong worded letters from him.)

84 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:11:08pm

re: #80 astronmr20

God bless the IAF.

seconded!

85 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:11:12pm

re: #64 Rancher

Different strategy, she will wait for Israel to be nuked first.

Quite a different strategy. An incredibly stupid one also. I am rather surprised that nobody has called her on that one yet. A successful nuclear strike on the State of Israel could effectually end that state and millions of innocent souls. Hardly a scenario that the average Israeli would like to contemplate. But in this nuclear age of terrorist attempting to acquire a nuck bomb capability, that is why intervention before the fact is so important. A lesson not yet learned by the Democrats and the loony left.

86 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:11:26pm

re: #4 Cognito

I doubt it was without notice. Remember, Israel purportedly even had spies working inside the reactor.

I believe they wanted this thing to get as close to completion as possible, so there was plenty of "evidence."

87 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:12:11pm
88 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:12:37pm

re: #81 jcm

SCRAMThey had a control rod hanging from the ceiling by a rope tied off by the door, and an axe by the rope. If things went awry they yelled and everyone ran for the single door, with one of 'em taking the axe cutting the rope and dropping the control rod.

Pretty high tech.
/

89 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:14:38pm

re: #40 Honorary Yooper

Excellent point.

It is also "our job" notwithstanding in this day of suicide bombers, etc to see to it that nukes are not in the hands of genocidal maniacs.

We, the Civilized World should not let Israel take the heat for doing what has to be done....

90 psyop  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:14:58pm

Syria is where Saddam put his WMD's (if there were any left to transport).

91 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:15:45pm

The Syrian job by Israel was sweet, The US is bigger and more powerful the Israel, but they can still show the US tricks in aerial attack. Hopefully they have clued the USAF on how they took down the Syrian radar and air defenses.

92 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:16:10pm
93 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:16:57pm

re: #22 BGOH

Some use pain. I love it. We need to combine those for the rotating tag:

"There are many forms of communication. Not all use words - some use pain."

Some forms don't use pain but a sudden *flash*.

94 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:17:48pm

re: #91 LoFlyer

..."Hopefully they have clued the USAF on how they took down the Syrian radar and air defenses..."

Oh, I'll bet you they have......

95 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:18:35pm
96 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:18:46pm

re: #91 LoFlyer

The Syrian job by Israel was sweet, The US is bigger and more powerful the Israel, but they can still show the US tricks in aerial attack. Hopefully they have clued the USAF on how they took down the Syrian radar and air defenses.

I am pretty confident that USAF Representatives were standing there in real time. And I would be rather surprised if the US involvement wasn't even more elaborate. I am sure they were all IDF pilots, but this has all the earmarks of a combined mission of sorts.

97 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:18:50pm

re: #59 CapeCoddah

Hans Blix couldnt find his own ass with both hands.

Why not? His head is up it.

98 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:19:21pm

Hans Blix might not have been able to find his way out of the shark tank (brilliant scene) or even be able to find his own ass with his own two hands....BUT, I'll bet he has memorized the number to his secret Swiss Bank Account.

It's always all about money.

99 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:19:32pm

re: #89 WhiteRasta

Excellent point.

It is also "our job" notwithstanding in this day of suicide bombers, etc to see to it that nukes are not in the hands of genocidal maniacs.

We, the Civilized World should not let Israel take the heat for doing what has to be done....

My brother asked me last year why it was OK for the US to have nukes but not Iran? I told him it was because we built it first and we were a hell of a lot more responsible than Iran. The whole family hooted at me in disgust.. I don't fare well in political discussions around my family...

100 EC Marm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:19:43pm

re: #74 OldLineTexan

It's a U.N. resolution. Hand it to Jimmah.


Yup. Then watch as the price of a barrel of oil settles to around 60.00 or so, the U.S. plants corn to feed the world instead of power our SUV's, and life goes on.
Just as Sadamn Hussein pretended to have all sorts of shit in the hopper to scare off his neighbors, the Iranians are 'playing' us, and the rest of the world, while the price of oil shoots through the stratosphere. Please GWB, bomb the shit out of their 'nuklear' facilities before you leave office.

101 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:20:28pm
102 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:20:54pm
103 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:21:16pm

re: #99 LoFlyer

My brother asked me last year why it was OK for the US to have nukes but not Iran? I told him it was because we built it first and we were a hell of a lot more responsible than Iran. The whole family hooted at me in disgust.. I don't fare well in political discussions around my family...

The answer is simple. No NON DEMOCRATIC nation should posses any weapons of mass destruction. Period, end of discussion.

104 BignJames  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:22:32pm

re: #99 LoFlyer

Let one rip at the dinner table......that'll clear 'em out.

105 Rancher  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:22:38pm

re: #78 LoFlyer

Then she will talk about a few travel sanctions againt Iran till the next one hits in Europe.

Surely she can find at least one asperin factory to bomb? To not bomb at all, that's just so Jimmy Carter.

106 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:25:12pm

re: #99 LoFlyer

Been there, brother.

My in-laws think Jimmah Cattah was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

My daughter's boyfriend thinks there is "something fishy" about 9/11.

I told him to shut up about that when sitting at my table, eating my food and drinking my wine.

107 akak  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:26:08pm

theres more sites, correct?

108 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:26:20pm
109 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:26:31pm

re: #96 Nevergiveup

I am pretty confident that USAF Representatives were standing there in real time. And I would be rather surprised if the US involvement wasn't even more elaborate. I am sure they were all IDF pilots, but this has all the earmarks of a combined mission of sorts.

I wouldn't count on it. Israel doesn't do joint attacks with the US nor inform us of their intentions. Unlike the US, Israel has real balls to do the job themselves without help from anyone. The 1956 war and the Anglo/French invasion of the Suez canal (America was dead set against it) was the last time the Israeli's operated jointly with the west. They learned it was better to just do it on there own and damn the consequences...

110 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:27:03pm

re: #99 LoFlyer

My brother asked me last year why it was OK for the US to have nukes but not Iran? I told him it was because we built it first and we were a hell of a lot more responsible than Iran. The whole family hooted at me in disgust.. I don't fare well in political discussions around my family...

Ask them how many countries with democratic forms of government has initiated a war.

It the respond with Iraq remind 'em Iraq started the whole thing by invading Kuwait, the invasion of Iraq was just the final chapter of that war.

111 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:27:28pm

Today in the UN update UNIFIL made a public complaint about flyovers by Israeli planes. But as always, no mention of any violations by Hezbollah. The blue bonnets wouldn't want to cheese off their overlords.

In addition, the UN Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) has recorded a steep increase in the number of Israeli air violations, which occur on a daily basis. The overflights constitute violations of Lebanese sovereignty and the Blue Line and continue to undermine the credibility of UNIFIL and the Lebanese Armed Forces, she added.

Impossible. UNIFIL has no credibility to undermine.

112 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:27:58pm

Israel's prize for bombing Syria's reactor?

Syria says Israel ready to return Golan for peace accord


A Cabinet minister said Wednesday that Israel has passed a message to Syria saying it is prepared to return the Golan Heights in exchange for a peace treaty.

113 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:28:04pm

re: #106 WhiteRasta

Been there, brother.

My in-laws think Jimmah Cattah was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

My daughter's boyfriend thinks there is "something fishy" about 9/11.

I told him to shut up about that when sitting at my table, eating my food and drinking my wine.

My daughter's boyfriend's family are Iranian Jewish who fled Iran. His dad is going to vote for McCain, but worries that he is to soft. Sounds good to me. She has my permission to marry him.

114 Israel4ever  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:28:50pm

re: #2 rawmuse

Oopsie, build a new one, assholes.

LMAO!

115 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:30:05pm

re: #112 solomonpanting

Israel's prize for bombing Syria's reactor?

Syria says Israel ready to return Golan for peace accord

Saw that this morning. Sound fishy, like a bug Rabbit Bait put up the Syrians ***.

116 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:31:27pm

re: #113 Nevergiveup

My daughter's boyfriend's parents are both University Professors.

Say no more...

117 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:31:58pm
118 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:32:20pm

re: #106 WhiteRasta

"My daughter's boyfriend thinks there is "something fishy" about 9/11.

I told him to shut up about that when sitting at my table, eating my food and drinking my wine."

Yeah I bet it was Fracken fishy for the 3000 Americans that rode the twin towers down. We all saw it happen before our eyes and he calls it fishy?

119 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:32:28pm

re: #116 WhiteRasta

My daughter's boyfriend's parents are both University Professors.

Say no more...

You have my condolences.

120 Athos  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:33:18pm

re: #111 Mich-again

And that's after the buried item in their last report of finding arms being shipped into their protective area....and running away when confronted by armed hizbollah terrorists? Hubris, thy name is UN.

The Israeli response should be, when you start enforcing the rules against Hizbollah, Syria, and Iran.....call us about our overflights.

121 EC Marm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:33:46pm

re: #58 freetoken
How come your avatar is in the flags of Algeria, Azerbaijani Republic, Malaysia, Maldives, Republic of Singapore, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Comoros, Islamic Republic of Mauritania, and Uzbekistan?

122 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:33:54pm

re: #117 song_and_dance_man

Yes.

And too bad there is not another Thatcher or Churchill in the place formerly known as Great Britain....

123 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:34:01pm

I was out tonight walking my dogs and spotted this.

Obey Obama.

124 DesertSage  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:34:29pm

re: #117 song_and_dance_man

Too bad we don't have another Reagan running for president.

How 'bout Ron Reagan?

[runs]...[hides]

125 Rancher  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:34:58pm

Her nuke answer was better than Obama's. re: #118 LoFlyer

"We all saw it happen before our eyes and he calls it fishy?


Steel doesn't melt.

126 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:34:59pm

re: #123 NoSubmission

I was out tonight walking my dogs and spotted this.

Obey Obama.

CPUSA ?

127 Athos  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:35:01pm

re: #123 NoSubmission

"And I'm all out of bubble gum......"

128 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:35:28pm

re: #118 LoFlyer

Well, you know about the 4,000 Jews who never went to work, that day, right?

129 Athos  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:35:46pm

re: #124 DesertSage

[runs]...[hides]

Release the hounds......

;-)

130 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:35:53pm

re: #38 Cognito

Heck, a few seconds, if I understand correctly. If something trips the safety steel/boron rods, which absorb neutrons like sponges, the whole thing blinks out pretty quick.

Then again, I'm pretty much making it up as I go.

Not quite. Reaction by-products, typically short lived radioactive isotopes created by the primary and some secondary reactions going on while the reactor is critical, will keep the reactor producing heat for some time after the control rods are inserted. Called Decay Heat IIRC. So yes, Killgore's estimate is close to correct. You also want to control your shutdowns. Rapidly cycling the temperatures of the materials you build the reactor from is generally a bad idea, as it stresses the material and can greatly reduce its useful life. You are already operating in a very stressful environment, no point in making it worse by being careless.

131 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:36:02pm

re: #126 LoFlyer

CPUSA ?


CPUSA? Fill me in..

132 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:37:35pm

re: #115 jcm

Western diplomatic officials said Wednesday that reports in Syrian publications that Israel had passed a message to Damascus expressing a willingness to withdraw from the Golan Heights as part of a peace deal missed a major part of the story: what the Syrians would have to do.

There's always a catch:

Israel made clear that any peace agreement would necessitate Syria ending its support for Hamas and throwing Hamas political leader Khaled Mashaal out of Damascus; ceasing support for Hizbullah; and distancing itself from Iran.

133 Rancher  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:37:39pm

re: #124 DesertSage

How 'bout Ron Reagan?

[runs]...[hides]


You better run. I’d vote for Michael though.

134 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:38:17pm

re: #125 Rancher

Her nuke answer was better than Obama's.


Steel doesn't melt.

Sure am glad Rosie wasn't at the top of the towers on 911. They would of collapsed immediately!

135 elydo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:39:13pm

re: #130 CyanSnowHawk

It's about 7% of output, I think.

SCRAM Wiki entry

136 yochanan  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:39:18pm

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]


more info on the obama weatherman (untypical white people) connection. and asks the question why the rich univeristies hire terrorists.

137 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:39:20pm

re: #131 NoSubmission

CPUSA? Fill me in..

Communist Party United States of America...You might of heard about 'em once or twice.

138 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:39:38pm

re: #123 NoSubmission

I was out tonight walking my dogs and spotted this.

Obey Obama.

Marvelous eye you have!

139 freetoken  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:39:38pm

re: #121 EC Marm

How come your avatar is in the flags of Algeria, Azerbaijani Republic, Malaysia, Maldives, Republic of Singapore, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Comoros, Islamic Republic of Mauritania, and Uzbekistan?

I suppose I ought to sue them for infringement of copyright....

140 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:39:43pm

re: #132 solomonpanting

Interesting catch.

141 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:39:45pm

re: #120 Athos

The Israeli response should be, when you start enforcing the rules against Hizbollah, Syria, and Iran.....call us about our overflights.

Yep. Exactly.

142 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:39:59pm
143 earthwirm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:40:07pm

THIS IS JUST BUSH USING THE POLITICS OF FEAR TO SCARE UP VOTES.

Now let me tell you about an anecdotal story someone told me about healthcare! This person went to the Doctor's office for a simple procedure and came out with straw for brains! Obviously this person is now voting for me BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, cause I am the Wizard of OZ and I'll take everyone else's hard earned money and give it to the ne'er do wells.

It's not politics of fear if you are giving people free money to alleviate fears.

Pointing out terrorists, terror tactics, and the motivations of our enemy however is POLITICS OF FEAR.

I fear far too many in the Obama camp have straw for brains, they must all visit the same Doc in a Box.

144 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:40:29pm

re: #126 LoFlyer

CPUSA ?

I once was a member of the Communist Party of the United States of America. They've come a long, long way.

145 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:40:32pm
146 LEGION  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:40:50pm

Like McLame sang- but with a slight difference at the end-
Bomb Bomb Bomb BombBomb Syria

147 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:41:00pm

re: #137 LoFlyer

Communist Party United States of America...You might of heard about 'em once or twice.

Ah... Yes, of course. It's very soviet-era. Progress!

148 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:41:23pm

re: #138 MandyManners

Marvelous eye you have!


You must Obey!

149 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:42:06pm

re: #144 MandyManners

I once was a member of the Communist Party of the United States of America. They've come a long, long way.

Now that's what I call progress, and change.

150 philosoteric  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:42:19pm

Israel proves they're more nation that any in the Middle East, as usual.

GO ISRAEL!

151 elydo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:42:24pm

Damn me. I was trying to find the before and after photos of the Syrian site the Israelis hit. Three potential sites, at least two MSM sites. Something on one of them buggered my display settings beyond recognition, I had to restart the comp.

Another reason to avoid them...

152 BignJames  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:42:27pm

re: #144 MandyManners


Seriously?

153 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:42:52pm

re: #141 Mich-again

Yep. Exactly.

Well not exactly. I think the Israelis should have point out the position of the transports bring in the weapons resupplies with those things that fall from the bottom of planes and leave big holes in the ground with smoke coming out of them!

154 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:43:02pm
155 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:43:47pm

re: #143 earthwirm

I like how Hillary is hanging in there, and they are both taking collateral damage. If the Republican would reveal a real platform, instead of this Democrat lite crap, they might have a chance at winning some seats this election....

156 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:44:20pm

re: #142 buzzsawmonkey

That is one Big Brothery poster. (Shudder)


Very big brothery. I wonder if the artist was being ironic about it, or serious....

157 EC Marm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:44:40pm

re: #139 freetoken

I suppose I ought to sue them for infringement of copyright....


But why would you want your avatar to contain elements in the flags of Algeria, Azerbaijani Republic, Malaysia, Maldives, Republic of Singapore, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Comoros, Islamic Republic of Mauritania, and Uzbekistan?
Not to mention the Arab League and the Islamic Conference...

158 cavallino_rampante  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:44:42pm

re: #99 LoFlyer

The US also doesn't routinely threatening particular nations with obliteration. It is then imperative to keep nations that make a habit of doing just that from obtaining nuclear weapons.

159 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:45:37pm

OT -
Izzat Ibrahim al-Duri... captured?

Huge news if true...

160 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:46:33pm

re: #144 MandyManners

I once was a member of the Communist Party of the United States of America. They've come a long, long way.

Is that where you learned your command of the english language? What has CPUSA morped into anyway?

161 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:47:00pm
162 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:47:10pm

re: #160 LoFlyer

Is that where you learned your command of the english language? What has CPUSA morped into anyway?

Democrats?

163 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:47:12pm

re: #135 elydo

It's about 7% of output, I think.

SCRAM Wiki entry

That varies by design, but sounds about right for a pressurized water reactor using Uranium as a fuel.

164 LEGION  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:48:01pm

re: #159 Yankee Division Son

Ohhhhh booooyyyyy- (gets waterboard soaked up).
/

165 JeremyR  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:48:19pm

re: #160 LoFlyer

Is that where you learned your command of the english language? What has CPUSA morped into anyway?

Its still the CPUSA, but without any Manners.

166 Gordon Marock  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:49:09pm

I am going to start a protest organization in response to this barbaric bombing of a peaceful facility. "People for the Protection of the Prerogative of Peaceful Persians who Seek to Please the Prophet through the Proliferation of Peaceful Power Projects", or PPPPPSPPPPPP.

167 DesertSage  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:49:20pm

re: #165 JeremyR

Its still the CPUSA, but without any Manners.

Mandy Manners?

168 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:49:42pm

Y'all are making me laugh! I thought they all went green....

169 elydo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:50:19pm

Hmm. Mary Katherine Ham looks particularly fetching tonight.

170 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:51:57pm

re: #169 elydo

Hmm. Mary Katherine Ham looks particularly fetching tonight.

Yes she does. Yes she does. And my wife isn't home...... Ah just dreaming.

171 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:52:12pm

re: #169 elydo

Do I have to turn on Fox to see her?

172 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:52:49pm
173 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:53:01pm

re: #169 elydo

Hmm. Mary Katherine Ham looks particularly fetching tonight.

I love ham! What does she look like?

174 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:53:43pm

Good evening, Lizards.

175 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:54:15pm

re: #172 song_and_dance_man

I've been busy causing trouble in the spinoffs.

176 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:54:35pm

re: #174 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

Attention, the goddess is in the room!

(hi)
*waves fingers*

177 Gordon Marock  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:54:48pm

And for those that don't think Syria was part of Persia, check out the Achaemenid Empire (550 BC–330 BC).

178 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:54:55pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

I've been busy causing trouble in the spinoffs.

As long as your staying off the streets and all.

179 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:54:58pm

re: #174 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

Evening Goddess, we are all being silly tonight!

180 JeremyR  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:55:12pm

re: #167 DesertSage

Mandy Manners?

Well, she once belonged, but not any more. She was probably the only manners they had, now she's gone.

181 elydo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:55:49pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

Yup. AND endure O'Rilley.

It was worth it though, Wavy hair down over one shoulder, Vermillion top, Professional competent attitude. Very nice.

182 Alouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:55:49pm

re: #144 MandyManners

I once was a member of the Communist Party of the United States of America. They've come a long, long way.

Why, Commie guys were hot?

183 Rancher  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:56:46pm

re: #125 Rancher
Oops, forgot to quote Obama’s nuke moment.

Q: In Afghanistan or Pakistan, is there any circumstance where you would be prepared or willing to use nuclear weapons to defeat terrorism and Osama bin Laden[?]"

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday he would not use nuclear weapons ''in any circumstance.'' ''I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance,'' Obama said, with a pause, ''involving civilians.'' Then he quickly added, ''Let me scratch that. There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table.''

184 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:57:22pm
185 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:57:39pm

re: #176 jcm

Attention, the goddess is in the room!

(hi)
*waves fingers*

You are SO good for my ego!

186 jaunte  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:57:57pm

re: #123 NoSubmission

The same illustrator did both the Obey giant and Obama:
[Link: obeygiant.com...]

187 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:58:10pm

re: #179 LoFlyer

Evening Goddess, we are all being silly tonight!

Oh, I love silly! Silly is fun!

188 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:59:15pm

re: #184 song_and_dance_man

You overestimate me.

189 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:59:27pm

re: #148 NoSubmission

You must Obey!

That's what I keep telling The Kid.

I might as well be spitting in the wind.

190 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 5:59:43pm
191 yitzy  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:00:20pm

Another Hattip to....The Jooooooooooooooos! B-)

192 elydo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:00:52pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

If the spin-off links were structural members, KT would be taping boxes of matches to them all.

/fire can't melt steel

193 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:01:21pm

re: #183 Rancher

Oops, forgot to quote Obama’s nuke moment.

A dumb question and a dumb answer. No one but Iran would use a nuclear weapon on a few terrorists, and Iran likes these terrorists. I wonder what Obama would say if he saw the mushroom cloud over DC from the window of Air force one?

194 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:02:32pm

re: #149 jcm

Now that's what I call progress, and change.

For me? Indeed.

195 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:02:51pm

re: #152 BignJames

Seriously?

Yep.

196 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:03:07pm

re: #154 song_and_dance_man

Get out of Dodge;-?

Yep.

197 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:03:19pm

re: #193 LoFlyer

A dumb question and a dumb answer. No one but Iran would use a nuclear weapon on a few terrorists, and Iran likes these terrorists. I wonder what Obama would say if he saw the mushroom cloud over DC from the window of Air force one?

Opps?

198 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:03:24pm

Pardon my echo.

199 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:03:25pm

re: #187 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, I love silly! Silly is fun!

Wait long enough, and I'll say something really dumb....

200 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:03:29pm

re: #143 earthwirm

This just in, Bush is not on the ballot.

201 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:03:32pm

re: #186 jaunte

The same illustrator did both the Obey giant and Obama:
[Link: obeygiant.com...]


I know. I thought it was funny. 'Obey Obama'. Kills me.

202 kansas  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:03:52pm

re: #59 CapeCoddah

Hans Blix couldnt find his own ass with both hands.


Jimmy Carter must have been his mentor.

203 DesertSage  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:04:08pm

re: #184 song_and_dance_man

I've never thought of you as causing trouble - more like causing questions.

Killgore causes trouble...I've witnessed it.
But Buddha still loves him!

Oops, now I'm causing trouble

204 BignJames  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:04:50pm

re: #193 LoFlyer

I wonder what Obama would say if he saw the mushroom cloud over DC from the window of Air force one?


Let's go to Chicago?

205 elydo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:05:07pm

re: #193 LoFlyer

What I don't get...

Well, having engaged my humanity I guess I can understand, but no-one advocates even considering the use of neutron weapons. It's always nuclear (ie. thermonuclear)

Neutron would be far more effective and less negative duration. I'm guessing it is precisely their sheer effectiveness and 'invisible death' aftermath that places them beyond the pale. Don't really get it myself.

/Aspie

206 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:05:12pm

re: #160 LoFlyer

Is that where you learned your command of the english language? What has CPUSA morped into anyway?

LOL!

207 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:06:09pm
208 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:06:30pm

re: #153 Nevergiveup

I think the Israelis should have point out the position of the transports bring in the weapons resupplies with those things that fall from the bottom of planes and leave big holes in the ground with smoke coming out of them!

Like the ones that can drop precisely through the hole in the roof of the ambulance?

209 freetoken  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:06:52pm

re: #157 EC Marm

Charles has to go first...

210 BignJames  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:07:04pm

re: #195 MandyManners

I call my sister a "trotskyite".

211 looking closely  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:08:02pm

re: #5 DesertSage

If Israel doesn't take care of Iran, Hillary will. I heard her say it.


At least she is *saying* it.

I also heard Bush say "not on my watch", but despite what I actually *do* believe to be sincere intentions on his part, nobody has stopped Iran yet.

212 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:08:09pm

re: #206 MandyManners

LOL!

I knew you would like it!

213 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:08:14pm

re: #193 LoFlyer

A dumb question and a dumb answer. No one but Iran would use a nuclear weapon on a few terrorists, and Iran likes these terrorists. I wonder what Obama would say if he saw the mushroom cloud over DC from the window of Air force one?

Get my speech writers on this.. are there any waffles on this plane?

214 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:09:09pm

re: #180 JeremyR

Well, she once belonged, but not any more. She was probably the only manners they had, now she's gone.

I got sick of the infighting between the ideological factions, as well as that between the male homosexuals and the Freedom Socialist Party. Snedigar v. Hoddersen. It made it all the way to the Washington State Supreme Court. (The right to keep political party memberships private. Freedom of Association and all that.)

215 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:09:15pm

re: #208 Mich-again

Like the ones that can drop precisely through the hole in the roof of the ambulance?

If the ambulance is riding low because of excess weight? Well dam, why not?

216 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:09:49pm

re: #205 elydo

What I don't get...

Well, having engaged my humanity I guess I can understand, but no-one advocates even considering the use of neutron weapons. It's always nuclear (ie. thermonuclear)

Neutron would be far more effective and less negative duration. I'm guessing it is precisely their sheer effectiveness and 'invisible death' aftermath that places them beyond the pale. Don't really get it myself.

/Aspie

When your intent is to use them as a deterrent only, effectiveness and duration are not big considerations. If you make it too easy to justify their use, you just might use it. As long at the policy was MAD, a nice dirty, no-one-really-wants-to-use-it bomb was better.

217 Sunlight  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:09:50pm

If Ehud Barak & Co. want us to shut up, why can't we. Just to help out in some small way rather than constantly pushing Israel out in front as a shield.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

218 freetoken  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:10:24pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

I've been busy causing trouble in the spinoffs.

Yes, the WSJ piece on growing your one food...

There are visionaries out there who see America's future as turning yards into gardens... perhaps they are right?

219 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:11:19pm

re: #210 BignJames

I call my sister a "trotskyite".

ROFLMAO!

I bet you also put worms in her bed when you were a lad.

220 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:12:31pm

re: #207 song_and_dance_man

Despite the theological claim that man is free, Islamists have a fatalistic approach to life. If a person dies, it is because his predetermined day of death has arrived; the methods by which his life ends are beside the point.

I'm down with that. May the days of Islamist terror savage deaths be predeterminedly near.

221 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:12:47pm

re: #205 elydo

What I don't get...

Well, having engaged my humanity I guess I can understand, but no-one advocates even considering the use of neutron weapons. It's always nuclear (ie. thermonuclear)

Neutron would be far more effective and less negative duration. I'm guessing it is precisely their sheer effectiveness and 'invisible death' aftermath that places them beyond the pale. Don't really get it myself.

/Aspie

Liberals blew a gasket when they learned about the neutron bomb. They didn't understand the tactical reasons for using neutron weapons in the European battlefield against invading Soviet armor divisions. Low civilian casualties and lots of dead Soviet tanks....

222 elydo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:12:51pm

re: #205 elydo

Actually, considering it from a different angle, what I'm classing as enhanced effectiveness probably wouldn't be... Whilst certainly 'effective' the psychological deterrent of legions of "walking ghosts" dying of radiation poisoning around the craters of their infrastructure would almost certainly be more horrifying to the worlds tv populace that the ephemeral concept that 'those clouds of ash used to be people.'

223 looking closely  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:13:20pm

re: #99 LoFlyer

My brother asked me last year why it was OK for the US to have nukes but not Iran? I told him it was because we built it first and we were a hell of a lot more responsible than Iran. The whole family hooted at me in disgust.. I don't fare well in political discussions around my family...

I'd have said, its the same reason a cop can have a gun, but not Charles Manson.

224 NoSubmission  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:13:27pm

My Obey Obama post got picked up by Instapundit!

225 Killer Tomato  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:13:59pm

Evening lizards!
Sorry to intrude, but I’ve a small request. Generally, I don’t like to ask for things for myself, but after going back and forth about it, I finally decided it’d probably be the most prudent course of action.

I'm having surgery tomorrow – nothing really complicated, but there’s always the potential for some minor complication or another.

So, whatever it is that you do – light a candle, say a prayer, cross your fingers, toss a penny in a fountain – I’d really appreciate it if you’d do it for me. (like they say, every little bit helps!)

I’ll probably be off-line for a few days but hopefully I’ll be back next week, all bright and shiny.

Thanks! You're the best scaly green folks anywhere!

226 EC Marm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:14:09pm

re: #209 freetoken

Charles has to go first...


Huh? Excuse me for being unable to parse that somewhat obtuse sentence. What does that have to do with the flags of Algeria, Azerbaijani Republic, Malaysia, Maldives, Republic of Singapore, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Comoros, Islamic Republic
of Mauritania, and Uzbekistan? Not to mention the Arab League and Islamic Conference...

227 Earthwirm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:14:22pm

Obama, upon seeing Israel engulfed in a Mushroom cloud, would be writing a letter to his friend Khalidi, mission accomplished.

228 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:14:41pm

OT:
So I went over to Getty Images to run my daily search of items relating to Gaza to see what the propagandists have come up with. I wasn't disappointed. Someone decided to spend the day in the hospital taking pictures of hapless kids who need serious medical attention. Backstories all relate to how Israel is evil and isn't letting through necessary medical supplies or other such blatherings.

This is the stuff that goes out to the world media for dissemination daily.

229 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:14:43pm
230 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:15:38pm
231 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:15:43pm

re: #225 Killer Tomato

Evening lizards!
Sorry to intrude, but I’ve a small request. Generally, I don’t like to ask for things for myself, but after going back and forth about it, I finally decided it’d probably be the most prudent course of action.

I'm having surgery tomorrow – nothing really complicated, but there’s always the potential for some minor complication or another.

So, whatever it is that you do – light a candle, say a prayer, cross your fingers, toss a penny in a fountain – I’d really appreciate it if you’d do it for me. (like they say, every little bit helps!)

I’ll probably be off-line for a few days but hopefully I’ll be back next week, all bright and shiny.

Thanks! You're the best scaly green folks anywhere!

{Killer Tomato}

May I add you to the Lizard Prayer List?

232 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:15:58pm

re: #225 Killer Tomato

Be well and think positive.

233 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:16:22pm

re: #225 Killer Tomato

Evening lizards!
Sorry to intrude, but I’ve a small request. Generally, I don’t like to ask for things for myself, but after going back and forth about it, I finally decided it’d probably be the most prudent course of action.

I'm having surgery tomorrow – nothing really complicated, but there’s always the potential for some minor complication or another.

So, whatever it is that you do – light a candle, say a prayer, cross your fingers, toss a penny in a fountain – I’d really appreciate it if you’d do it for me. (like they say, every little bit helps!)

I’ll probably be off-line for a few days but hopefully I’ll be back next week, all bright and shiny.

Thanks! You're the best scaly green folks anywhere!

Best of luck KillerT, our prayers are with you. I know I would be extremely nervous going under the knife....

234 Racer X  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:16:37pm

Interesting.

So if we were to come up with a non-lethal bomb that merely splatters pork intestines all over the place, would that present enough of a deterrent?

If Arabs have no fear of death (in fact welcome it), would a fear of pork splatter convince them to come to the peace table?

235 Rancher  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:16:57pm

It is written.

236 offendi  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:17:18pm

Israelis should be concerned that this air raid apparently required the permission of the United States and was aproved only after Israeli intelligence was shown American officials. No doubt it was acceptable to the US because it was also acceptable to the Saudis, because of the risk also posed to them by Syria having nuclear capability. In fact it does seem that the Saudis have a veto-power of sorts over much of American foreign policy, such as over the Palestininians, who do not want peace, which is disturbing.

The raid shows the problem Israel faces in that America will allow it to act only when America determines Israel faces a sufficient threat. The Palestinians are viewed as only an acceptable static war by American officials, although about 2,000 Israelis have died from their terrorism since Oslo. Americans need to question why their government is forcing false peace negotiations on Israel, and why the oil-rich, haters of the West dictate the tune.

237 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:18:48pm

re: #234 Racer X

Interesting.

So if we were to come up with a non-lethal bomb that merely splatters pork intestines all over the place, would that present enough of a deterrent?

If Arabs have no fear of death (in fact welcome it), would a fear of pork splatter convince them to come to the peace table?

GBU 666, cluster pork bomb. Covers a 500 yard radius....

238 Rancher  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:18:48pm

I lit a candle for you Killer Tomato. Good luck.

239 elydo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:18:56pm

re: #216 CyanSnowHawk

re: #221 LoFlyer

Yes, neutron bombs are primarily anti-armour weapons. Not least because they irradiate the tanks' structure, making them unusable for days after exposure. A weapon that could destroy the Soviet tank forces without taking Eastern Europe along for the ride.

However, they also were, if airbursted properly, capable of massed unprotected human casualties without as much infrastructure damage as conventional nukes. Whilst inaccurate, the myth of "kill the people, leave the buildings" was borne from this. However, because the required radioactive dose for instant death is much higher than certain death, an effect would be a significant number of exposed hit with a lesser, but still fatal, dose remaining active for days to weeks, slowly suffering the effects.

Psychologically destructive, but the effects on the moral integrity of the nation that used them FOR that purpose... I'd say unconscionable.

240 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:19:56pm
241 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:21:48pm

Note that no-one tried to pass the "global test" on this raid into Syria, and I hope no such notice is given when the next similar event goes down.

242 Rancher  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:22:24pm

re: #239 elydo
I’m of the Sherman school, screw moral integrity, do what works, this is war.

243 looking closely  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:23:21pm

re: #236 offendi

Israelis should be concerned that this air raid apparently required the permission of the United States and was aproved only after Israeli intelligence was shown American officials.


Assuming this is true, Israel seeking approval beforehand doesn't mean Israel couldn't (or wouldn't) have acted if said permission weren't given.

I think after Osirak, Israel realized that it could reduce political fallout with a few choice phone calls in advance.

We're not living in the Reagan "Boys will be boys" era anymore (the words he allegedly uttered after learning of the Osirak attack).

Its probably helpful for blood pressures and tense trigger fingers, if the powers that be know about an Israeli military raid into a foreign country (ie an act of war) a bit before hand.

244 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:23:53pm

re: #225 Killer Tomato

best wishes and good luck tomorrow

245 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:24:21pm

re: #242 Rancher

"War is the remedy our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want"

—W.T. Sherman

246 Killer Tomato  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:24:48pm

Thanks you all!

Goddess, I would appreciate it mightily. And I hope that I'll be off of it pretty darn quick! :-)

247 BignJames  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:24:56pm

re: #225 Killer Tomato

You bet.

248 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:25:15pm

re: #224 NoSubmission

My Obey Obama post got picked up by Instapundit!

WooHoooooo!

249 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:25:22pm
250 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:26:08pm

re: #225 Killer Tomato

I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers!

251 guzziguy  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:26:31pm

re: #246 Killer Tomato
No problems, KT. Prayers on the way.
Let's trade. I had an interview for a job today I'd really like.

252 EC Marm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:26:45pm

Marisol?
Come on gimme a reply, even obtuse...

253 DesertSage  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:27:23pm

re: #225 Killer Tomato

You've got my prayers KT. You're one of my favorite Lizards, I"m sure everything will go just fine.

And remember, J.L. Chamberlain had a long, productive life and so will you!

254 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:27:43pm

What I want to know is if Israel purchased carbon credits to offset the greenhouse gases generated by the explosion of the Syrian nuclear plant.

255 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:28:06pm

re: #228 lawhawk

OT:
So I went over to Getty Images to run my daily search of items relating to Gaza to see what the propagandists have come up with. I wasn't disappointed. Someone decided to spend the day in the hospital taking pictures of hapless kids who need serious medical attention. Backstories all relate to how Israel is evil and isn't letting through necessary medical supplies or other such blatherings.

This is the stuff that goes out to the world media for dissemination daily.

*slow burn*

256 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:29:21pm

re: #236 offendi

Israelis should be concerned that this air raid apparently required the permission of the United States and was aproved only after Israeli intelligence was shown American officials. No doubt it was acceptable to the US because it was also acceptable to the Saudis, because of the risk also posed to them by Syria having nuclear capability. In fact it does seem that the Saudis have a veto-power of sorts over much of American foreign policy, such as over the Palestininians, who do not want peace, which is disturbing.

The raid shows the problem Israel faces in that America will allow it to act only when America determines Israel faces a sufficient threat. The Palestinians are viewed as only an acceptable static war by American officials, although about 2,000 Israelis have died from their terrorism since Oslo. Americans need to question why their government is forcing false peace negotiations on Israel, and why the oil-rich, haters of the West dictate the tune.

Spot-on.

257 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:29:38pm

re: #239 elydo

re: #221 LoFlyer

Yes, neutron bombs are primarily anti-armour weapons. Not least because they irradiate the tanks' structure, making them unusable for days after exposure. A weapon that could destroy the Soviet tank forces without taking Eastern Europe along for the ride.

However, they also were, if airbursted properly, capable of massed unprotected human casualties without as much infrastructure damage as conventional nukes. Whilst inaccurate, the myth of "kill the people, leave the buildings" was borne from this. However, because the required radioactive dose for instant death is much higher than certain death, an effect would be a significant number of exposed hit with a lesser, but still fatal, dose remaining active for days to weeks, slowly suffering the effects.

Psychologically destructive, but the effects on the moral integrity of the nation that used them FOR that purpose... I'd say unconscionable.

The neutron bomb left the targets largely free from radiation. Its killing power was the neutrons being converted to a variety of deadly radiation as it passed through the armor of a tank. I don't agree with anti-war groups on much, but using neutron bombs pre-emptively or before the Soviets had nuked the west goes against my grain. History shows the west would of done much better than western journalist give NATO credit for. We could of won a European invasion by Soviets without Neutron bombs. Real glad it never happened.....

258 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:29:39pm

re: #254 Mich-again

You're naive. They simply cut off the Palestinians from their flow dont'cha know. /

259 snowcrash  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:29:44pm

Killer Tomato, I will remember you in prayers tonight. I will pray for your surgical team too. Good luck.

260 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:30:49pm
261 gibsonz  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:30:55pm

re: #225 Killer Tomato

Best wishes and a speedy recovery...remember we can overcome anything and we shall!

262 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:32:54pm

re: #77 rawmuse

As long as don't count Supreme Court justices, John Bolton, tax cuts, good economy (until the Democrats took over), no assault rifle bans, no terrorist attacks since 9-11.

All that is true, and admirable, and appreciated, but he still could have done, and been, a great deal more.

We're not drilling in Alaska, or off shore, oil is over $112/ barrel and rising with no end in sight, Iranian centrifuges are still spinning away, Iraq is still a war zone because it was not conquered, and then pacified, China is expanding its influence economically, and militarily on the strength of its trade with the US. and is still supplying shoddy goods, and ignoring international laws concerning theft of intellectual property, and Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Ried, still have all their front teeth! I could go on.

263 christheprofessor  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:34:05pm

OT

Yesterday was Earth Day. Guess what today is?

264 snowcrash  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:34:34pm

Killer, Ask Killgore Trout to rub his Buddha belly for good luck too! Can't hurt.

265 LoFlyer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:37:46pm

re: #263 christheprofessor

OT

Yesterday was Earth Day. Guess what today is?

"The earth is our bitch!" LOL!

266 offendi  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:38:08pm

The issue Americans have to face is the affects of the Saudi lobby on American foreign and economic policy. How many former government officials here are their lobbyists? Who do they give money to?
It is quite the joke that the brain-dead anti-semites in the USA worry about the "Israel lobby" when this is going on and oil is at $117 or so a barrel.

267 marjoriemoon  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:38:24pm

re: #236 offendi

Israelis should be concerned that this air raid apparently required the permission of the United States and was aproved only after Israeli intelligence was shown American officials. No doubt it was acceptable to the US because it was also acceptable to the Saudis, because of the risk also posed to them by Syria having nuclear capability. In fact it does seem that the Saudis have a veto-power of sorts over much of American foreign policy, such as over the Palestininians, who do not want peace, which is disturbing.

The raid shows the problem Israel faces in that America will allow it to act only when America determines Israel faces a sufficient threat. The Palestinians are viewed as only an acceptable static war by American officials, although about 2,000 Israelis have died from their terrorism since Oslo. Americans need to question why their government is forcing false peace negotiations on Israel, and why the oil-rich, haters of the West dictate the tune.

Why? He wants a feather in his cap? He's trying to grant the Arabs statehood before he leaves. He thinks he can do it by sidestepping the first clause of the road map, for the Arabs to stop bombing Israel. The road map is useless BECAUSE of the first clause. How do you get them to stop attacking? So it will never work that way.

We don't have to stay out of Israel, but we shouldn't be getting in the way. Bush is in the way.

268 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:38:30pm

primitive people shouldn't have modern lethal weapons. the m.e. is best suited for clubs and spears. we need to keep it that way. for their own good.

269 JeremyR  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:38:42pm

re: #239 elydo

re: #221 LoFlyer

Yes, neutron bombs are primarily anti-armour weapons. Not least because they irradiate the tanks' structure, making them unusable for days after exposure. A weapon that could destroy the Soviet tank forces without taking Eastern Europe along for the ride.

However, they also were, if airbursted properly, capable of massed unprotected human casualties without as much infrastructure damage as conventional nukes. Whilst inaccurate, the myth of "kill the people, leave the buildings" was borne from this. However, because the required radioactive dose for instant death is much higher than certain death, an effect would be a significant number of exposed hit with a lesser, but still fatal, dose remaining active for days to weeks, slowly suffering the effects.

Psychologically destructive, but the effects on the moral integrity of the nation that used them FOR that purpose... I'd say unconscionable.

The answer to the moral outrage IIRC was the blast bomb which offered far more destruction and less residual radiation.

270 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:40:19pm

re: #173 LoFlyer

I love ham! What does she look like?

She is the one sitting between the two green eggs.

271 JeremyR  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:40:32pm

re: #242 Rancher

I’m of the Sherman school, screw moral integrity, do what works, this is war.

We have some limitations that we must abide by, but when it comes to terrorists, take off the gloves and ratchet up the intensity.

272 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:41:27pm

re: #263 christheprofessor

Yoiu oughta chase down the link to Digg on that one. F'ing hillarious. The moonbats never had a chance.

Pour oil on a duck... Classic!

273 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:44:39pm

re: #263 christheprofessor

OT

Yesterday was Earth Day. Guess what today is?

Where have you been hiding? Or have I just been missing your comments?
Good to see ya"

Earth First!
We'll strip mine the other planets later.

274 marjoriemoon  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:45:12pm

re: #254 Mich-again

What I want to know is if Israel purchased carbon credits to offset the greenhouse gases generated by the explosion of the Syrian nuclear plant.

Israelis invent a new fuel system. hehe :)

Youtube Video

275 joecitizen  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:57:38pm

re: #4 Cognito

This is so strange to me. How did Syria manage to sneak around and build a nuclear facility, without notice, while Iran has loudly building one for years without success (yet)?

I'm going to bet the Iranian nuclear scientists aren't sleeping very well, these days.

just popped in so if this has already been said forgive me..but could it have anything to do with the possible wmd parts and knowledge trucked into syria from iraq before the war? I suspect this isn't the end of this story..

276 elydo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:57:49pm

re: #242 Rancher

That can only be applied during total war, a stage we are not at yet. If the West, Left and MSM, stopped dicking around, the threat from the Jihadi's could be marginalised far more effectively. A Dresden-type Scorched Earth policy is not necessary. YET.

re: #257 LoFlyer

Apologies, I was slightly inaccurate. By irradiate the target tanks' structure, what actually happened was that the neutron surge converted part of the structural material of steel armour into radioactive isotopes, causing the tank to remain a lethally hazardous environment, typically for 24 to 48 hours.

re: #269 JeremyR

Yeah, but they're having a problem with thermobarics now as well. Not to mention I've heard some people (Most recently the Danger Room muppets) refer to coilguns as superweapons. Uhhhh...

277 Maine's Michael  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:58:13pm

re: #236 offendi

Excellent.

It is entirely consistent with America's Israel policy (as I see it):


'We need you to bleed, and, more importantly, to be seen to bleed, by the Arab world. We will shrink you down, over time, and in return for Arab acquiescence to our needs and machinations in the wider middle east, to the smallest size sustainable by the best military technology and diplomatic invention. When the technology improves, we can and will shrink you down further. This will continue until our needs in the middle east are fulfilled. You cannot refuse. By refusing, you will lose the American veto in the UN Security Council. This will subject you crippling sanctions. You will also lose access to critical military spare parts you must have, and you will lose assurance of resupply in the event of war with your neighbors. '
278 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 6:59:11pm

re: #274 marjoriemoon

That was very interesting. The oil ticks are lapping up the cash now, but what the $120 barrel oil will do is spur all sorts of alternative fuels and ingenious solutions to reducing consumption.

279 joecitizen  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 7:02:57pm

re: #18 song_and_dance_man

Sucks to be them. I think it's been made abundantly clear that as far as Israel and America is concerned Iran will NOT be allowed to develop a nuke. The clock is ticking.

and to that end,I've thought for awhile that there is no way that W leaves office without 'taking care' of this iranian reactor issue..especially if the dummies get lucky and mccain is caught with a live boy,the only way IMHO that they win in november inshalla..

280 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 7:06:55pm

re: #278 Mich-again

That was very interesting. The oil ticks are lapping up the cash now, but what the $120 barrel oil will do is spur all sorts of alternative fuels and ingenious solutions to reducing consumption.

Why? The reason for oil being $120 a barrel or more is due to artificial scarcity: the fact that we've not been allowed to drill in places where there's oodley scads of oil... purely because of ideological reasons. If we drilled off the coast of Florida and in that place in Alaska... we'd be largely or even entirely independent in our oil supply.

Were we to drill there, in fact, there'd BE no need to come up with all these innovative schemes to avoid oil usage. And remember, it's not just motor fuel that we make out of oil. It's also plastics and certain chemical compounds and stuff...

281 zoidberg  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 7:08:26pm

I like this -

Another former official, John R. Bolton, who was undersecretary of state for arms control and international security during President Bush's first term, said: “North Korea is outsourcing its nuclear weapons program. And if you want to hide your activities from inspectors in North Korea, what better place than in Syria?”

How about this instead -


Saddam Hussein is continuing his WMD efforts.. And if you want to hide your stockpile from inspectors in Iraq, what better place than in Syria?
282 Widow'smight  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 7:19:44pm

re: #280 NomadOfNorad

There's also lots of capped wells that could be re-opened. I heard there's 1 trillion barrels of oil in the US. I know, let's ruin our prosperity to save the 2,000 acres of frozen rocks.

283 Maine's Michael  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 7:33:55pm

This whole issue points to the inept way at least 2 administrations have dealt with N. Korea.

Albright dancing with the fuzzy headed dictator.

Rice begging North Korea to honor its promises, and trying to stop Israel from taking out this facility, as it would have 'embarrassed North Korea' at the time they were trying to pretend they had a deal.

Un-fucking-believable the way the State Department believes that just because they say or think something is true, that it must in fact be so.

Oh yeah, banning the words 'jihad' and 'jihadist' will really help.

Why don't they just cut to the chase and appoint Prince Bandar the US SecState for life.

284 stevieray  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:01:35pm

re: #283 Maine's Michael

Un-fucking-believable the way the State Department believes that just because they say or think something is true, that it must in fact be so.

Oh yeah, banning the words 'jihad' and 'jihadist' will really help.

Why don't they just cut to the chase and appoint Prince Bandar the US SecState for life.

That decision to ban the word "jihad", if true, leads me to believe that the US government is changing its approach to the War on Terror. I think they have figured something out -- they cannot separate the so-called "radicals" from their mainstream Muslim brethren... there is not enough of a gap between the two groups. Any action they take to squash the al Qaedas of the world will infuriate a sizable portion of the Islamic world, and they are determined to avoid a "war of civilizations" at all costs.

The elimination of "jihad" from the State Department's lexicon means they are going to scale back the war, and try to "manage" Islamic supremacy through bribes, diplomacy, and criminal prosecutions. In short, they've opted to sell out the future of the West to the slow death of civilizational jihad because they don't have the stomach for a real fight... all the while pretending the square peg of Islam will fit in the round hole of modernity.

In other words -- bend over, a big square peg is coming, and we're all out of Vaseline.

285 Maine's Michael  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:06:57pm

re: #284 stevieray

Ouch.

Well said.

286 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:30:42pm
287 pegcity  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:48:44pm

re: #284 stevieray

maybe it's a good time to buy land in North Dakota

288 londonpride  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:20:09pm

re: #49 Alouette

Hans Brix couldn't find his own way out of the shark tank.

thats not necessarily a bad thing....

/ just saying......

289 bubbasbbq  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 3:52:24am

God Bless the Israelis. I mean it, They are the only ones keeping us all safe from massive destruction.

290 Jed  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 6:21:27am

Bombing the reactors was a brilliant move. Now if only their public relations was as brilliant.

291 madisonsfriend  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 6:27:06am

re: #125 Rancher

Her nuke answer was better than Obama's.


Steel doesn't melt.

I know- that is why Bethelehem Steel went out of business.

292 Just Another Four-letter Word  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 9:31:45am

re: #287 pegcity

maybe it's a good time to buy land in North Dakota

Been there. Help yourself.

JAFLW

293 Sacred Plants  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 9:39:24am

How ironic that the Non Proliferation Treaty is being enforced by a power that happens to stand outside of it. This is an opportunity to pick up the Bush Proposal:

In a speech to the National Defense University on February 11, 2004, U.S. President George W. Bush proposed to reform the International Atomic Energy Agency: "No state, under investigation for proliferation violations, should be allowed to serve on the IAEA Board of Governors—or on the new special committee. And any state currently on the Board that comes under investigation should be suspended from the Board. The integrity and mission of the IAEA depends on this simple principle: Those actively breaking the rules should not be entrusted with enforcing the rules."[11] The Bush proposal was seen as targeted against Pakistan which, currently, serves a regular term on the IAEA's Board of Governors. It has not received attention from other governments.

That´s the true meaning of intelligence.

294 hurricane567  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:18:38am

Note to Syria:if you try to pay the Russians and the Chinese to build another reactor with that fake US money Iran and the Norks send you, that might be bad for your health.


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