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Bombed Syrian Reactor Was 'Nearing Completion'

Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:37:01 pm PDT

Syria was apparently very close to having the means to produce nuclear weapons, with the help of North Korea: Bombed Syrian reactor was nearly complete.

The Bush administration will tell Congress tomorrow that a nuclear facility in Syria built with North Korean help was nearly complete when Israel bombed it in September, and that Pyongyang has not provided any further nuclear assistance to the hard-line Arab nation, at least at that site, U.S. officials said.

CIA Director Michael V. Hayden and other intelligence officials are expected to brief several congressional committees in closed-door sessions, breaking the administration’s silence on the issue.

The Syrian facility has become a key issue in six-nation negotiations to end the North’s nuclear programs.

“The fact is that the reactor was nearing completion,” said one official familiar with the content of the briefings. “It would have been able to produce plutonium.”

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1 SecretInternetDoucheBag  4/23/08 4:37:49 pm reply quote 14

I guess Obama did not have time to talk to them yet or they would have stopped.

2 rawmuse  4/23/08 4:38:11 pm reply quote 3

Oopsie, build a new one, assholes.

3 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/23/08 4:39:33 pm 3
4 Cognito  4/23/08 4:39:43 pm reply quote 6

This is so strange to me. How did Syria manage to sneak around and build a nuclear facility, without notice, while Iran has loudly building one for years without success (yet)?

I'm going to bet the Iranian nuclear scientists aren't sleeping very well, these days.

5 DesertSage  4/23/08 4:43:53 pm reply quote 0

re: #3 song_and_dance_man

Iran, does this concern you? You bet it does.

If Israel doesn't take care of Iran, Hillary will. I heard her say it.

6 stevieray  4/23/08 4:44:30 pm reply quote 4

re: #4 Cognito

This is so strange to me. How did Syria manage to sneak around and build a nuclear facility, without notice, while Iran has loudly building one for years without success (yet)?

I'm going to bet the Iranian nuclear scientists aren't sleeping very well, these days.

While the boastful Alphas get the press, the sneaky Betas have free rein.

7 MandyManners  4/23/08 4:44:50 pm reply quote 0

re: #5 DesertSage

If Israel doesn't take care of Iran, Hillary will. I heard her say it.

Must be true then.

8 Truck Monkey  4/23/08 4:45:03 pm reply quote 3

Gotta love those Israelis. They have the beytsim to go after evil even when their "leader" is as bad as Ohlmert.

9 MandyManners  4/23/08 4:45:12 pm reply quote 0

re: #6 stevieray

While the boastful Alphas get the press, the sneaky Betas have free rein.

Shell game with the highest stakes.

10 Cognito  4/23/08 4:45:46 pm reply quote 3

re: #6 stevieray

While the boastful Alphas get the press, the sneaky Betas have free rein.

I've got my eye on Luxembourg. We haven't heard a peep out of their nuclear program in years....

11 Killgore Trout  4/23/08 4:45:53 pm reply quote 1

re: #3 song_and_dance_man

The Iranians have a slight advantage over the Syrians. The Iranian reactors are already running. Hitting a running reactor has some more serious implications.

12 BGOH  4/23/08 4:46:19 pm reply quote 3

BUT WE HAVE TO TALK TO THEM!

/

13 buzzsawmonkey  4/23/08 4:46:37 pm reply quote 8

But it wasn't a reactor! El-Baradei said so!

14 Cognito  4/23/08 4:46:48 pm reply quote 8

re: #8 Truck Monkey

Gotta love those Israelis. They have the beytsim to go after evil even when their "leader" is as bad as Ohlmert.

Notice nobody in the world -- in a world that loves to heap criticism on Israel -- said a word about it. Silence said a lot.

15 Talos  4/23/08 4:46:59 pm reply quote 1

Go Israel Go!

16 MandyManners  4/23/08 4:47:01 pm reply quote 9

re: #12 BGOH

BUT WE HAVE TO TALK TO THEM!

/

There are many forms of communication. Not all use words.

17 MandyManners  4/23/08 4:47:18 pm reply quote 0

bbiab

18 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/23/08 4:47:36 pm 0
19 vapig  4/23/08 4:47:51 pm reply quote 8

Hooray for Israel! They've the world two HUGE favors and they get spat upon for it.

20 Cognito  4/23/08 4:47:58 pm reply quote 0

re: #11 Killgore Trout

Hitting a running reactor has some more serious implications.

Serpentine, serpentine...

21 guzziguy  4/23/08 4:48:05 pm reply quote 0

re: #4 Cognito

I'm going to bet the Iranian nuclear scientists aren't sleeping very well, these days.

I'll at least bet that they're sleeping several miles upwind.

22 BGOH  4/23/08 4:48:22 pm reply quote 0

re: #16 MandyManners

There are many forms of communication. Not all use words.

Some use pain. I love it. We need to combine those for the rotating tag:

"There are many forms of communication. Not all use words - some use pain."

23 freetoken  4/23/08 4:48:50 pm reply quote 0

re: #4 Cognito

It is a weird story. Probably we need to separate the two fundamental processes (1) building a reactor facility, and (2) building a uranium ore processing capability.

Apparently Syria was doing #1 but not #2, and Iran has been doing #2 (and they already have a research reactor they had developed/bought.)

The question is, if Syria was building a reactor... why? Besides electricity generation one builds a reactor to control a fission process (in order to create other radioactive isotopes.) The Syrians apparently were not building an electricity plant (needs water, connection to major electricity distribution grid, etc.) So, if indeed they were building a reactor facility that means they wanted to create isotopes.

Now, perhaps they want to create radioactive isotopes for medical uses... or perhaps they were hoping to make plutonium which has only a few uses, almost all of them quite bad...

24 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/23/08 4:49:04 pm 0
25 Cognito  4/23/08 4:49:24 pm reply quote 0

re: #21 guzziguy

I'll at least bet that they're sleeping several miles upwind.

"Ah, hi, yes, this is Dr. Khalid. I'm feeling a bit (hack, cough) under the weather today. Yes, yes. I know. Thirty days this month. It's a virus, I think."

26 buzzsawmonkey  4/23/08 4:49:35 pm reply quote 0

re: #22 BGOH

Some use pain. I love it. We need to combine those for the rotating tag:

"There are many forms of communication. Not all use words - some use pain."

"Have you forgotten the House of Pain?"
--Dr. Moreau

27 mickthemick  4/23/08 4:50:40 pm reply quote 0

Right after this event happened, I read another, very interesting intel analysis of this event. There's another theory that Israel intentionally hit an abandoned warehouse that at one time had stored military stuff, was deactivated when the IAF struck. However, taking that building out was not the real intention of the raid. The purpose of the strike was to test the Syrian air defenses, which had been recently upgraded by the Russians. Those defenses failed miserably. The result was a disaster for Syria, and that was the theory as to why they'd stayed mum for so long about the raid - Israel completely caught them with their pants down, and its jets were back over Israeli airspace before the Syrians knew what hit them.

This article went on to theorize that Iran has deployed the same Russian "technology," and the real purpose of the raid was to test Iran's air defenses, and not necessarily Syria's.

28 jcm  4/23/08 4:50:43 pm reply quote 3

It was for peaceful purpose.
Make plutonium
Build a bomb
nuke Israel

PEACE!
/

29 Killgore Trout  4/23/08 4:50:44 pm reply quote 0

re: #18 song_and_dance_man

It will be interesting to see how they take them out. I suspect they Israeli strikes will disable the plants forcing them to shut down. Then the final strike will destroy them. Anyone know how long it takes to shut down a nuclear reactor? A week maybe?

30 Ringo the Gringo  4/23/08 4:50:59 pm reply quote 6

Hmmm...Wonder if the Syrians received any help or materials from Iraq before the US invasion?

31 WhiteRasta  4/23/08 4:51:05 pm reply quote 3

Are we not embarrassed, having Israel doing a job that should rightfully be ours?

32 cicero05  4/23/08 4:51:45 pm reply quote 9

Building a nuclear reactor in Israel's neighborhood is like putting a sign on your back that says "Bomb Me."

BTW, I wonder how that nuclear program is going in Iran.

33 Honorary Yooper  4/23/08 4:51:54 pm reply quote 1

re: #23 freetoken

If the Syrians were building #1 and the Iranians were doing #2, and since we know Syria and Iran to be allied, I suspect they planned on moving material from #2 to #1. Syria is closer to Israel after all.

34 jcm  4/23/08 4:52:50 pm reply quote 0

re: #27 mickthemick

Right after this event happened, I read another, very interesting intel analysis of this event. There's another theory that Israel intentionally hit an abandoned warehouse that at one time had stored military stuff, was deactivated when the IAF struck. However, taking that building out was not the real intention of the raid. The purpose of the strike was to test the Syrian air defenses, which had been recently upgraded by the Russians. Those defenses failed miserably. The result was a disaster for Syria, and that was the theory as to why they'd stayed mum for so long about the raid - Israel completely caught them with their pants down, and its jets were back over Israeli airspace before the Syrians knew what hit them.

This article went on to theorize that Iran has deployed the same Russian "technology," and the real purpose of the raid was to test Iran's air defenses, and not necessarily Syria's.

The Air Defense thing is correct. IAF actively spoofed the Syrian defense, in such a way they not only didn't know a raid was underway, but they didn't know they were being jammed. Iran has bought the same gear.

As to the empty warehouse, don't think so Syrian went to a lot of trouble cleaning up the site.

35 freetoken  4/23/08 4:53:03 pm reply quote 0

re: #31 WhiteRasta

Are we not embarrassed, having Israel doing a job that should rightfully be ours?

Why is it "our" "job"?

36 missouri boy  4/23/08 4:53:47 pm reply quote 0

It sucks to be iran

37 DesertSage  4/23/08 4:54:03 pm reply quote 0

re: #22 BGOH

When I was a young Lance Corporal I taped a sign on the back of my Sargent's shirt. It said "I dig pain". People laughed at him for hours.
When he found out that I did it, I was put on mess duty for two weeks.

38 Cognito  4/23/08 4:54:04 pm reply quote 1

re: #29 Killgore Trout

It will be interesting to see how they take them out. I suspect they Israeli strikes will disable the plants forcing them to shut down. Then the final strike will destroy them. Anyone know how long it takes to shut down a nuclear reactor? A week maybe?

Heck, a few seconds, if I understand correctly. If something trips the safety steel/boron rods, which absorb neutrons like sponges, the whole thing blinks out pretty quick.

Then again, I'm pretty much making it up as I go.

39 freetoken  4/23/08 4:54:25 pm reply quote 0

re: #33 Honorary Yooper

Yup, that is one possibility. Besides being a division of labor, having multiple projects helps with survivability.

Still, the last word has not been spoken about that strike in Syria. Certainly it is one of the murkier stories that clings on and doesn't go away...

40 Honorary Yooper  4/23/08 4:54:37 pm reply quote 0

re: #31 WhiteRasta

Are we not embarrassed, having Israel doing a job that should rightfully be ours?

I think the Israelis might dispute that. They would think it to be their job as Syria is their neighbor.

41 Cognito  4/23/08 4:54:53 pm reply quote 1

re: #31 WhiteRasta

Are we not embarrassed, having Israel doing a job that should rightfully be ours?

We work with Israel. Always have.

42 LoFlyer  4/23/08 4:55:00 pm reply quote 2

As with Iraqi reactor, the Israeli's did the world a favor. Everyone knew it was the best solution for a sticky situation, blame Israel and breathe a sigh of relief. I don't think you will see much real action if Israel and the US take down Iran's nuclear capacity. Yes, they will bitch and whine, and that will be that....

43 mickthemick  4/23/08 4:55:59 pm reply quote -1

re: #34 jcm

IMO, the nuke thing is smoke and mirrors. If that warehouse hid anything, I am not convinced it was nuke technology. Perhaps, it was some of Saddam's other WMD stuff that has allegedly been smuggled into Syria? Hezbollah rocket factory, maybe? Syrian missile development? I don't quite buy the nuke argument.

44 OldLineTexan  4/23/08 4:56:47 pm reply quote 1
The Bush administration will tell Congress tomorrow

Ooh, everything they say is a lie. Hillbama told me so.

that a nuclear facility

Not a nuclear facility. Liars.

in Syria

Not in Syria. Liars.

built with North Korean help

Nope, the Norks didn't help. Liars.

was nearly complete

Nope, it wasn't. Liars.

when Israel bombed it in September

No they didn't. I mean...wait...

/damn it's hard holding to the party line with these complex stories.

45 CapeCoddah  4/23/08 4:56:57 pm reply quote 0

re: #5 DesertSageHi All,, LOL, sage, I heard her say she was under sniper fire and named after Sir Edmund Hilliary, too! (tongue firmly in cheek)

46 cicero05  4/23/08 4:57:41 pm reply quote 0

I'm really surpised Hans Blix didn't find this thing and take care of it himself.

47 VegasRick  4/23/08 4:57:49 pm reply quote 0

re: #42 LoFlyer

As with Iraqi reactor, the Israeli's did the world a favor. Everyone knew it was the best solution for a sticky situation, blame Israel and breathe a sigh of relief. I don't think you will see much real action if Israel and the US take down Iran's nuclear capacity. Yes, they will bitch and whine, and that will be that....

They do that anyway. Just get it done already, let the whining continue.

48 Attaboid  4/23/08 4:57:56 pm reply quote 0

I don't believe it was a reactor. No cooling towers! More like a plutonium processing/forming site.

49 Alouette  4/23/08 4:58:21 pm reply quote 2

re: #46 cicero05

I'm really surpised Hans Blix didn't find this thing and take care of it himself.

Hans Brix couldn't find his own way out of the shark tank.

50 OldLineTexan  4/23/08 4:58:46 pm reply quote 2

re: #46 cicero05

I'm really surpised Hans Blix didn't find this thing and take care of it himself.

Blix fix nix.

51 Honorary Yooper  4/23/08 4:59:18 pm reply quote 1

re: #49 Alouette

Hans Brix couldn't find his own way out of the shark tank.

Much less a paper bag.

52 M. Bensson-Levi  4/23/08 5:00:08 pm reply quote 0

Frankly, this is simply another example of a Bush administration failure. I'm glad that his time as President is almost over. He has been a great disappointment.

53 BGOH  4/23/08 5:00:09 pm reply quote 0

re: #46 cicero05

I'm really surpised Hans Blix didn't find this thing and take care of it himself.

Herro Hans Brix. Miss somering?

/Kim Jong Illin'

54 wolfie  4/23/08 5:00:49 pm reply quote 0

re: #27 mickthemick

Very interesting. Hmmmmm........

55 Honorary Yooper  4/23/08 5:01:12 pm reply quote 3

re: #52 M. Bensson-Levi

Frankly, this is simply another example of a Bush administration failure. I'm glad that his time as President is almost over. He has been a great disappointment.

It could've been worse. You would rather Kerry or Gore?

56 jcm  4/23/08 5:01:15 pm reply quote 3

re: #43 mickthemick

IMO, the nuke thing is smoke and mirrors. If that warehouse hid anything, I am not convinced it was nuke technology. Perhaps, it was some of Saddam's other WMD stuff that has allegedly been smuggled into Syria? Hezbollah rocket factory, maybe? Syrian missile development? I don't quite buy the nuke argument.

The thing that stands out to me is the dogs that didn't bark. None of the Arab states said a word. Usually when the IDF whacks something they make all kinds of racket about it.

What ever it was is way over the line even for the Arab States.

57 Elydo  4/23/08 5:01:19 pm reply quote 0

re: #29 Killgore Trout

To SCRAM a reactor takes a few seconds, after which time there is no risk of meltdown. But the core still contains radioactive material, which an explosive strike could still spread. The decommissioning and deconstruction of reactors can take years, for those reasons.

Note that commercial reactors have taken to using the terminology of "trip" for the same process, as SCRAM has entered reasonably common usage, and 'trip' sounds like just a little glitch, heh. Rather than "We almost went Chernobyl, but hey, it's all ok"

58 freetoken  4/23/08 5:01:36 pm reply quote 0

re: #43 mickthemick

It is not that the building stored nuclear weapons of even a stockpile of enriched uranium.

The question is, were they in the process of building a small reactor. See this ISIS pdf and followup 1 and followup 2.

59 CapeCoddah  4/23/08 5:01:38 pm reply quote 0

re: #49 Alouette
Hans Blix couldnt find his own ass with both hands.

60 LoFlyer  4/23/08 5:02:48 pm reply quote 4

re: #45 CapeCoddah

Hi All,, LOL, sage, I heard her say she was under sniper fire and named after Sir Edmund Hilliary, too! (tongue firmly in cheek)

Fer sure! Hilary's parents were deeply fascinated with bee's and were pen-pals with virtually unknown bee-keeper Edmund Hillary via Internet email. Al Gore provided the Internet free of charge to Hillary's parents as a gesture of respect to the unborn Hillary...

61 Honorary Yooper  4/23/08 5:02:53 pm reply quote 0

re: #59 CapeCoddah

Hans Blix couldnt find his own ass with both hands.

He can actually find his ass? That's news to me.

62 CapeCoddah  4/23/08 5:04:03 pm reply quote 0

re: #60 LoFlyer
LMAO... Good one!

64 Rancher  4/23/08 5:04:51 pm reply quote 0

re: #5 DesertSage

If Israel doesn't take care of Iran, Hillary will. I heard her say it.


Different strategy, she will wait for Israel to be nuked first.

65 Attaboid  4/23/08 5:05:31 pm reply quote 0

$%^# Try this [Link: www.israel-palestina.info...]

66 CapeCoddah  4/23/08 5:05:37 pm reply quote 0

re: #61 Honorary Yooper
COULD NOT find, Yooper, COULD NOT!

67 Killgore Trout  4/23/08 5:05:42 pm reply quote 0

re: #38 Cognito

I think the answer is here. I still don't know.

68 OldLineTexan  4/23/08 5:05:46 pm reply quote 0

re: #55 Honorary Yooper

It could've been worse. You would rather Kerry or Gore?

Well, yeah. Gore could have had Israel completely given away by now (seven years).

Kerry would still be looking for the Jordan so he could infiltrate something.

69 VegasRick  4/23/08 5:06:02 pm reply quote 0

re: #63 Attaboid

70 Killgore Trout  4/23/08 5:06:14 pm reply quote 0

re: #57 Elydo

Ah, thanks.

71 OldLineTexan  4/23/08 5:06:28 pm reply quote 1

re: #61 Honorary Yooper

He can actually find his ass? That's news to me.

That's easy. Get his hands on his neck and slide them up to his head. Voila.

72 wolfie  4/23/08 5:06:39 pm reply quote 0

Fetuccini. BBL !

73 EC Marm  4/23/08 5:07:25 pm reply quote 0

If Iran is actually building any sort of nuclear capability. In a Pavlovian response, the more Iran talks about centrifuges and removing Israel from the map, the higher the price of oil goes, and the more money Iran receives. At this point, I'd bomb the sons of bitches just to call their bluff. Nothing there? Sorry, carry on. Yeah, you can hand that U.N. resolution to Condi, she's over there.

74 OldLineTexan  4/23/08 5:08:22 pm reply quote 0

re: #73 EC Marm

If Iran is actually building any sort of nuclear capability. In a Pavlovian response, the more Iran talks about centrifuges and removing Israel from the map, the higher the price of oil goes, and the more money Iran receives. At this point, I'd bomb the sons of bitches just to call their bluff. Nothing there? Sorry, carry on. Yeah, you can hand that U.N. resolution to Condi, she's over there.

It's a U.N. resolution. Hand it to Jimmah.

75 BGOH  4/23/08 5:09:00 pm reply quote 0

re: #56 jcm

The thing that stands out to me is the dogs that didn't bark. None of the Arab states said a word. Usually when the IDF whacks something they make all kinds of racket about it.

What ever it was is way over the line even for the Arab States.

Excellent point. Simply brilliant. I hadn't thought of it that way.

Could it be that the Arab world doesn't want the meme of Bush and Blair being warmongering liars destroyed? Hmm...if Israel has any information, I hope they release it at the end of October...BWHAHAHA!

76 M. Bensson-Levi  4/23/08 5:09:08 pm reply quote -1

re: #55 Honorary Yooper

It could've been worse. You would rather Kerry or Gore?

Of course not, but neither of them could have disappointed me.

Also, aside from taxes, which admittedly is a pretty big aside, and perhaps the GWoT, how much worse could either of them really have been?

OK, so they really suck!, but George is a real disappointment . He's much too passive, I believe, and not nearly large, or aggressive enough for the challenges that faced him.

Better than Gore, and Kerry ain't a whole lotta up!

77 rawmuse  4/23/08 5:09:11 pm reply quote 5

re: #52 M. Bensson-Levi

Frankly, this is simply another example of a Bush administration failure. I'm glad that his time as President is almost over. He has been a great disappointment.

As long as don't count Supreme Court justices, John Bolton, tax cuts, good economy (until the Democrats took over), no assault rifle bans, no terrorist attacks since 9-11.

78 LoFlyer  4/23/08 5:09:13 pm reply quote 0

re: #64 Rancher

Different strategy, she will wait for Israel to be nuked first.

Then she will talk about a few travel sanctions againt Iran till the next one hits in Europe. A scared witless France then nukes Iran to a glass parking lot and the world blames France for unilateral actions and then goes on to business as usual....

79 WhiteRasta  4/23/08 5:09:25 pm reply quote 0

re: #35 freetoken

"Our job" is to keep nukes out of the hands of barbarians, I'm sure you agree......

80 astronmr20  4/23/08 5:10:00 pm reply quote 6

God bless the IAF.

81 jcm  4/23/08 5:10:18 pm reply quote 0

re: #57 Elydo

To SCRAM a reactor takes a few seconds, after which time there is no risk of meltdown. But the core still contains radioactive material, which an explosive strike could still spread. The decommissioning and deconstruction of reactors can take years, for those reasons.

Note that commercial reactors have taken to using the terminology of "trip" for the same process, as SCRAM has entered reasonably common usage, and 'trip' sounds like just a little glitch, heh. Rather than "We almost went Chernobyl, but hey, it's all ok"

SCRAMThey had a control rod hanging from the ceiling by a rope tied off by the door, and an axe by the rope. If things went awry they yelled and everyone ran for the single door, with one of 'em taking the axe cutting the rope and dropping the control rod.

82 Cognito  4/23/08 5:10:48 pm reply quote 0

re: #79 WhiteRasta

"Our job" is to keep nukes out of the hands of barbarians, I'm sure you agree......

But I think that in many of these matters -- including the case at hand -- we and Israel work in tandem. The left hand doesn't need to do 'the job' if the right hand is handling it.

83 Athos  4/23/08 5:10:49 pm reply quote 1

re: #61 Honorary Yooper

It's where he keeps his head.

(Now we're both going to get strong worded letters from him.)

84 VegasRick  4/23/08 5:11:08 pm reply quote 0

re: #80 astronmr20

God bless the IAF.

seconded!

85 Nevergiveup  4/23/08 5:11:12 pm reply quote 0

re: #64 Rancher

Different strategy, she will wait for Israel to be nuked first.

Quite a different strategy. An incredibly stupid one also. I am rather surprised that nobody has called her on that one yet. A successful nuclear strike on the State of Israel could effectually end that state and millions of innocent souls. Hardly a scenario that the average Israeli would like to contemplate. But in this nuclear age of terrorist attempting to acquire a nuck bomb capability, that is why intervention before the fact is so important. A lesson not yet learned by the Democrats and the loony left.

86 astronmr20  4/23/08 5:11:26 pm reply quote 0

re: #4 Cognito

I doubt it was without notice. Remember, Israel purportedly even had spies working inside the reactor.

I believe they wanted this thing to get as close to completion as possible, so there was plenty of "evidence."

87 savage_nation[deleted]  4/23/08 5:12:11 pm 0
88 VegasRick  4/23/08 5:12:37 pm reply quote 0

re: #81 jcm

89 WhiteRasta  4/23/08 5:14:38 pm reply quote 0

re: #40 Honorary Yooper

Excellent point.

It is also "our job" notwithstanding in this day of suicide bombers, etc to see to it that nukes are not in the hands of genocidal maniacs.

We, the Civilized World should not let Israel take the heat for doing what has to be done....

90 psyop  4/23/08 5:14:58 pm reply quote 1

Syria is where Saddam put his WMD's (if there were any left to transport).

91 LoFlyer  4/23/08 5:15:45 pm reply quote 0

The Syrian job by Israel was sweet, The US is bigger and more powerful the Israel, but they can still show the US tricks in aerial attack. Hopefully they have clued the USAF on how they took down the Syrian radar and air defenses.

92 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/23/08 5:16:10 pm 0
93 MandyManners  4/23/08 5:16:57 pm reply quote 0

re: #22 BGOH

Some use pain. I love it. We need to combine those for the rotating tag:

"There are many forms of communication. Not all use words - some use pain."

Some forms don't use pain but a sudden *flash*.

94 WhiteRasta  4/23/08 5:17:48 pm reply quote 0

re: #91 LoFlyer

..."Hopefully they have clued the USAF on how they took down the Syrian radar and air defenses..."

Oh, I'll bet you they have......

95 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/23/08 5:18:35 pm 0
96 Nevergiveup  4/23/08 5:18:46 pm reply quote 0

re: #91 LoFlyer

The Syrian job by Israel was sweet, The US is bigger and more powerful the Israel, but they can still show the US tricks in aerial attack. Hopefully they have clued the USAF on how they took down the Syrian radar and air defenses.

I am pretty confident that USAF Representatives were standing there in real time. And I would be rather surprised if the US involvement wasn't even more elaborate. I am sure they were all IDF pilots, but this has all the earmarks of a combined mission of sorts.

97 MandyManners  4/23/08 5:18:50 pm reply quote 1

re: #59 CapeCoddah

Hans Blix couldnt find his own ass with both hands.

Why not? His head is up it.

98 IslandLibertarian  4/23/08 5:19:21 pm reply quote 0

Hans Blix might not have been able to find his way out of the shark tank (brilliant scene) or even be able to find his own ass with his own two hands....BUT, I'll bet he has memorized the number to his secret Swiss Bank Account.

It's always all about money.

99 LoFlyer  4/23/08 5:19:32 pm reply quote 0

re: #89 WhiteRasta

Excellent point.

It is also "our job" notwithstanding in this day of suicide bombers, etc to see to it that nukes are not in the hands of genocidal maniacs.

We, the Civilized World should not let Israel take the heat for doing what has to be done....

My brother asked me last year why it was OK for the US to have nukes but not Iran? I told him it was because we built it first and we were a hell of a lot more responsible than Iran. The whole family hooted at me in disgust.. I don't fare well in political discussions around my family...

100 EC Marm  4/23/08 5:19:43 pm reply quote 0

re: #74 OldLineTexan

It's a U.N. resolution. Hand it to Jimmah.


Yup. Then watch as the price of a barrel of oil settles to around 60.00 or so, the U.S. plants corn to feed the world instead of power our SUV's, and life goes on.
Just as Sadamn Hussein pretended to have all sorts of shit in the hopper to scare off his neighbors, the Iranians are 'playing' us, and the rest of the world, while the price of oil shoots through the stratosphere. Please GWB, bomb the shit out of their 'nuklear' facilities before you leave office.

101 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/23/08 5:20:28 pm 1
102 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/23/08 5:20:54 pm 0
103 Nevergiveup  4/23/08 5:21:16 pm reply quote 1

re: #99 LoFlyer

My brother asked me last year why it was OK for the US to have nukes but not Iran? I told him it was because we built it first and we were a hell of a lot more responsible than Iran. The whole family hooted at me in disgust.. I don't fare well in political discussions around my family...

The answer is simple. No NON DEMOCRATIC nation should posses any weapons of mass destruction. Period, end of discussion.

104 BignJames  4/23/08 5:22:32 pm reply quote 0

re: #99 LoFlyer

Let one rip at the dinner table......that'll clear 'em out.

105 Rancher  4/23/08 5:22:38 pm reply quote 0

re: #78 LoFlyer

Then she will talk about a few travel sanctions againt Iran till the next one hits in Europe.

Surely she can find at least one asperin factory to bomb? To not bomb at all, that's just so Jimmy Carter.

106 WhiteRasta  4/23/08 5:25:12 pm reply quote 1

re: #99 LoFlyer

Been there, brother.

My in-laws think Jimmah Cattah was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

My daughter's boyfriend thinks there is "something fishy" about 9/11.

I told him to shut up about that when sitting at my table, eating my food and drinking my wine.

107 akak  4/23/08 5:26:08 pm reply quote 0

theres more sites, correct?

108 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/23/08 5:26:20 pm 0
109 LoFlyer  4/23/08 5:26:31 pm reply quote 0

re: #96 Nevergiveup

I am pretty confident that USAF Representatives were standing there in real time. And I would be rather surprised if the US involvement wasn't even more elaborate. I am sure they were all IDF pilots, but this has all the earmarks of a combined mission of sorts.

I wouldn't count on it. Israel doesn't do joint attacks with the US nor inform us of their intentions. Unlike the US, Israel has real balls to do the job themselves without help from anyone. The 1956 war and the Anglo/French invasion of the Suez canal (America was dead set against it) was the last time the Israeli's operated jointly with the west. They learned it was better to just do it on there own and damn the consequences...

110 jcm  4/23/08 5:27:03 pm reply quote 1

re: #99 LoFlyer

My brother asked me last year why it was OK for the US to have nukes but not Iran? I told him it was because we built it first and we were a hell of a lot more responsible than Iran. The whole family hooted at me in disgust.. I don't fare well in political discussions around my family...

Ask them how many countries with democratic forms of government has initiated a war.

It the respond with Iraq remind 'em Iraq started the whole thing by invading Kuwait, the invasion of Iraq was just the final chapter of that war.

111 Mich-again  4/23/08 5:27:28 pm reply quote 0

Today in the UN update UNIFIL made a public complaint about flyovers by Israeli planes. But as always, no mention of any violations by Hezbollah. The blue bonnets wouldn't want to cheese off their overlords.

In addition, the UN Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) has recorded a steep increase in the number of Israeli air violations, which occur on a daily basis. The overflights constitute violations of Lebanese sovereignty and the Blue Line and continue to undermine the credibility of UNIFIL and the Lebanese Armed Forces, she added.

Impossible. UNIFIL has no credibility to undermine.

112 solomonpanting  4/23/08 5:27:58 pm reply quote 0

Israel's prize for bombing Syria's reactor?

Syria says Israel ready to return Golan for peace accord


A Cabinet minister said Wednesday that Israel has passed a message to Syria saying it is prepared to return the Golan Heights in exchange for a peace treaty.

113 Nevergiveup  4/23/08 5:28:04 pm reply quote 0

re: #106 WhiteRasta

Been there, brother.

My in-laws think Jimmah Cattah was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

My daughter's boyfriend thinks there is "something fishy" about 9/11.

I told him to shut up about that when sitting at my table, eating my food and drinking my wine.

My daughter's boyfriend's family are Iranian Jewish who fled Iran. His dad is going to vote for McCain, but worries that he is to soft. Sounds good to me. She has my permission to marry him.

114 Israel4ever  4/23/08 5:28:50 pm reply quote 0

re: #2 rawmuse

Oopsie, build a new one, assholes.

LMAO!

115 jcm  4/23/08 5:30:05 pm reply quote 0

re: #112 solomonpanting

Israel's prize for bombing Syria's reactor?

Syria says Israel ready to return Golan for peace accord

Saw that this morning. Sound fishy, like a bug Rabbit Bait put up the Syrians ***.

116 WhiteRasta  4/23/08 5:31:27 pm reply quote 0

re: #113 Nevergiveup

My daughter's boyfriend's parents are both University Professors.

Say no more...

117 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  4/23/08 5:31:58 pm 0
118 LoFlyer  4/23/08 5:32:20 pm reply quote 0

re: #106 WhiteRasta

"My daughter's boyfriend thinks there is "something fishy" about 9/11.

I told him to shut up about that when sitting at my table, eating my food and drinking my wine."

Yeah I bet it was Fracken fishy for the 3000 Americans that rode the twin towers down. We all saw it happen before our eyes and he calls it fishy?

119 Nevergiveup  4/23/08 5:32:28 pm reply quote 0

re: #116 WhiteRasta

My daughter's boyfriend's parents are both University Professors.

Say no more...

You have my condolences.

120 Athos  4/23/08 5:33:18 pm reply quote 0

re: #111 Mich-again

And that's after the buried item in their last report of finding arms being shipped into their protective area....and running away when confronted by armed hizbollah terrorists? Hubris, thy name is UN.

The Israeli response should be, when you start enforcing the rules against Hizbollah, Syria, and Iran.....call us about our overflights.

121 EC Marm  4/23/08 5:33:46 pm reply quote 1

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