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NC Republicans to RNC: Stay Out of Our Business

Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:17:49 am PDT

Republicans in North Carolina are not happy with John McCain’s politically correct decision not to mention Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and they’re rejecting his call to cancel their advertisement: NOTE TO RNC - Stay Out of Our Business!

Here’s the ad, and I have to agree with the NC people. I have no idea what John McCain thinks he’s going to achieve by refusing to use Rev. Wright in GOP ads; it’s perfectly legitimate to criticize Obama for his connections to this racist lunatic. Does McCain actually want to win the election?

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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:19:17am
2 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:19:32am

The memo has gone out: You can't criticie the Obamessiah, otherwise you're racist.

That's sure to win us over.

3 Sponge  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:19:36am

He actually thinks he can win on policy and experience alone.

4 maddogg  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:19:48am

McCaine is fine with the ad. He just doesn't want the Dems to be able to associate it with him. But they will anyway.

5 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:19:57am
6 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:20:04am

I'm glad they beeped him.

7 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:20:10am

You gotta know when to hold them, know when to fold them, and most important when shut your run away trap!

8 Shug  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:20:38am

McCain is acting like a Wright Winger

9 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:21:02am
Does McCain actually want to win the election?


I am not insane, most Excellent Festus!

10 Sponge  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:21:37am

There are at least 80% of the democrat voters that will vote for bho because they are inflicted with tunnelvision and mental hardships, but there's still a chance that McCain can lure some over to his side if he opens their eyes on the national stage to what this lunatic has actually done and associated himself with in the past.

Why can't he see that?

11 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:21:44am

This is why McCain is going to get crushed in debates (especially against Obama). He refuses to attack his opponent and is going to look weak, frail and dull next to Obama on stage.

12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:22:22am

So far McCain has been way too much of a Mr Nice Guy. I can see it as part of a strategy though. He can stay a clean as he wants while Hill and BHO sling crap at one another. Meanwhile, he builds his image as a moderate guy and downplays his reported mean streak.

All that said, kicking a man when he is down is the best time. He's that much closer to your foot.

13 varmint  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:22:29am

it's too early for the republicans to be running that ad. it's hillary's time.

but, should McCain still not want to run it come the general election, i can only conclude he doesn't want to win.

14 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:22:43am
15 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:22:56am

Does McCain actually want to win the election?

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:23:37am

re: #15 Bubblehead II

Does McCain actually want to win the election?

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Approaching victory, then banking left.

17 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:23:42am

The Evils of Three Lessers

18 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:23:54am
19 Sponge  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:23:56am

re: #11 Killgore Trout

This is why McCain is going to get crushed in debates (especially against Obama). He refuses to attack his opponent and is going to look weak, frail and dull next to Obama on stage.

I thought that as well, but seeing how atrocious bho is without the teleprompter, I have faith that he'll step on his d!ck MORE than once in the debates.

20 sultan_knish  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:24:32am

I wouldn't count McCain out yet

this way McCain gets to take the high ground while disavowing a local ad that has nothing to do with his campaign anyway... and knowing it will run anyway

any way you look at it McCain wins

21 Persian Shoe  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:24:46am

Settle down folks. This is only the beginning.

Wait till McCain discovers OBM video with a baby goat, in a seedy motel room with his undies on his head.

He'll use it. Count on it. As his should.

22 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:24:46am

re: #14 song_and_dance_man

A less dynamic version of Bob Dole.

23 mean Gene  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:25:04am

GWBush distanced himself from the SBVFT ads too, but they still helped him.
I think this is the right way to go.
McCain is letting others (527's?) do his dirty work for him.
He can't really stop it, but he can (and he probably should) occasionally voice his disapproval.
Surely there are a few NC Republicans who "get'' this, aren't there?

24 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:25:34am

Good for them. The higher ups in the RNC should be worried- many of us are mad as hell and we're not likely to take it for very long.

25 HBob  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:25:40am

Your average schmuck on the street thinks Irreverent Wright "criticized American policy". Most voter have never seen or heard this garbage spewed out from his "church" that worships melanin. Please broadcast the hell out of this! The RNC needs to grow some balls and learn something from the grass roots.

26 chinesearithmetic  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:25:59am

I think the nominee has the right to set the tone, and I think it's a right he's earned.

27 Persian Shoe  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:26:01am

re: #21 Persian Shoe

As he should.

Fixed that

28 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:26:32am

"Does McCain actually want to win the election?"

Maybe McCain is a Real Conservative after all! (and he wants McCain to lose.)

29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:26:48am

re: #20 sultan_knish

I wouldn't count McCain out yet

this way McCain gets to take the high ground while disavowing a local ad that has nothing to do with his campaign anyway... and knowing it will run anyway

any way you look at it McCain wins

Agreed. Not the way I would play it, but still a valid approach.

30 chinesearithmetic  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:26:56am

Your average schmuck on the street thinks

Did you leave your brain in San Francisco?

31 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:27:21am
32 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:27:23am

[Link: npc.press.org...]

Event Name: Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright
Event Date: Apr. 28, 2008
Event Type: NPC Breakfast
Time: 8:30 AM
Sponsored by: Speakers Committee
Event Location: Ballroom
Details: The Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., senior pastor of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, will discuss the role of faith in the public square in a presentation entitled, The African American Religious Experience; Theology &Practice, at a National Press Club breakfast on April 28th.
Dr. Wright will also talk about his pastorate, his development as a theologian and teacher, and the how the issues of social justice and global inequities have shaped his faith and his fight for those who are most marginalized in society. He will address the legacy and tradition of education in his family. And Dr. Wright will put into perspective theologically, historically and politically, his ministry and public service that has been so widely discussed in the media.
Dr. Wright will retire from Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago in June, where he served the 8,000-member congregation for 36 years. While at Trinity he developed nearly 100 active ministries/outreach programs and seven separate corporations that continue to serve the greater Chicago community. He is a sought after lecturer and teacher and speaks at some of the nation's most prestigious universities and seminaries.

The National Press Club breakfast will begin promptly at 8:30 a.m. The National Press Club is located at 14th and F Streets, NW, one block west of Metro Center. More information about the Club and its programs is found on its Internet website: press.org.


THIS EVENT IS SOLD OUT.

CREDENTIALED MEDIA MAY COVER WITH PROPER ID.

33 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:28:25am

re: #32 BabbaZee

AAAIIIYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

34 bushleague  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:28:39am

I want to line up behind the folks who think McCain privately agrees with the NC folks. This may be his way of staying out of the mud.

35 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:28:44am

The link in the post takes me to a 404 Not Found.

36 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:28:52am
37 shanec99  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:28:58am

I agree with McCain, stay away from the nastiness, let the DEMS be nasty.
The sensible mature people recognize competence, and polish especially when in the presence of the vulgar imitations of statesmen that the DEMS are forcing on us as their nominees.

38 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:29:55am
39 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:30:01am

re: #33 MandyManners

Maybe Cognito will go for us.

LOL!

40 Sponge  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:30:20am

re: #38 song_and_dance_man

I think it's about time to post Red Rider's Lunatic Fringe.

Great tune....that's one that I won't mind having stuck in my head all day, now.........

41 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:30:29am
42 bushleague  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:31:00am

re: #39 BabbaZee

Now that is comedy!

43 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:31:38am

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey

Naw Naw Naw! Gaw Dayum America!
--Rev. Wright


.....Least Excellent Infestus

44 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:31:59am

Wright is going to be interviewed by that dope Bill Moyers. That ought to be interesting.

45 Roger  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:32:01am

re: #28 Lawrence Schmerel

There is that dichotomy!

46 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:32:12am

re: #42 bushleague

I'm a funny chick

LOL

47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:32:16am

re: #41 BabbaZee

I was thinking Twilight Zone

48 winston06  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:32:22am

McLame is too silly not to push for these stuff. He'll regret being PC if he loses the election.

49 fooburger  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:32:33am

I think this ad would be better timed in the generals. While I can see that the ad is targeted at getting Clinton nominated... for the GOP, I'd tell them to be careful what they wish for....

50 JohnnyReb  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:33:03am

re: #4 maddogg

McCaine is fine with the ad. He just doesn't want the Dems to be able to associate it with him. But they will anyway.

I agree 100%. He can come right back at them and say he condemned it before it even aired. Actually pretty sound strategy I think.

51 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:33:05am

re: #39 BabbaZee

Maybe Cognito will go for us.

LOL!

I was thinking something along those lines but, it wasn't as nice.

52 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:33:17am

re: #39 BabbaZee

/Well he IS in an highly (unspecified) posistion in a major (unspecified) media outlet.

53 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:33:34am

This is getting fun.
How about some theme music.
With apologies to Sweet.

Clinton Blitz

Are you ready, Howard? Aha.
Nancy? Yeah! Chuck? OK.
Alright, fellas, let's go!

Oh it's been getting so hard
Campaigning with the things you do to me, aha
My dreams are getting so strange
I'd see Senators Barack and Hillary
I see a man named Barack
As a matter of fact his ego is as big as the sun
And a girl in the corner lets no one ignore her
'Cause she thinks she's the electable one

Oh, yeah, it was like lightning, everybody was frightening
And the Dems were all seething, and they all started grieving

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
And the man named Barack said
Everyone attack and it turned into a Clinton blitz
And the girl in the corner said
Boy, I wanna warn ya, it'll turn into a Clinton blitz
Clinton blitz
Clinton blitz
Clinton blitz
Clinton blitz

They're reaching out for something
She hasn't got the delegates she needs
He softly says she's no good
She claims that he is just to young to lead, aha
Now the man named Barack
Is ready to crack as he raises his hands to the sky
And the girl in the corner is New York's Senator
She could beat him with a wink of her eye

Oh yeah, it was electric, so frightfully hectic
With the delegates voting, so those two would stop posing

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
And the man named Barack said
Everyone attack and it turned into a Clinton blitz
And the girl in the corner said
Boy, I wanna warn ya, it'll turn into a Clinton blitz
Clinton blitz
Clinton blitz
Clinton blitz
Clinton blitz

Oh, yeah, it was like lightning, everybody was fighting
And the Dems were all seething, and they all started leaving

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
And the man named Barack said
Everyone attack and it turned into a Clinton blitz
And the girl in the corner said
Boy, I wanna warn ya, it'll turn into a Clinton blitz
Clinton blitz
Clinton blitz
Clinton blitz
Clinton blitz

It's it's a Clinton blitz
It's it's a Clinton blitz
It's it's a Clinton blitz
Yeah, it's a Clinton blitz

54 livetotell  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:33:42am

McCain can't compete with Obamas money and Soros hate campaign . He wants to take the high road so he will have a moral defense against the smears that are coming . It's all he can do.

55 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:34:14am
56 DownRightMeanAmerican  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:34:44am

Somehow McCain is convinced that Americans do not want any attack ad’s period.

I see a good tactic here, we run attack ad’s and McCain pretends not to like them for the cameras.

57 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:34:45am
58 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:35:30am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Highly appropriate too

59 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:35:35am

re: #54 livetotell

McCain can't compete with Obamas money and Soros hate campaign . He wants to take the high road so he will have a moral defense against the smears that are coming . It's all he can do.

Won't matter.

Even if Obama and Soros weren't engaging in a hate campaign against him, he'd have the MSM dragging up crap like the recent LA Times story saying that he isn't fit for the Presidency because he's drawing a disabled vet pension.

60 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:35:40am

re: #57 buzzsawmonkey

thanks

61 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:35:45am

re: #52 Bubblehead II

/Well he IS in an highly (unspecified) posistion in a major (unspecified) media outlet.

And, he has hung out with terrorists so, he'll be in good company with Jeremiah.

62 HBob  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:36:38am

re: #30 chinesearithmetic

Your average schmuck on the street thinks

Did you leave your brain in San Francisco?

Ouch... You are correct! What the heck was I thinking?

63 Syrah  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:37:04am

re: #24 Sharmuta

Good for them. The higher ups in the RNC should be worried- many of us are mad as hell and we're not likely to take it for very long.

At some point, I can only hope, the RNC will learn that the only thing that you find when you run to the middle of the road, is that the traffic from both sides are now trying to run you down.

64 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:37:15am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was thinking Twilight Zone

Not Aldo Nova's Fantasy ?

65 Charles  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:37:36am

American history is full of examples of nuanced campaign strategies that failed utterly.

66 coquimbojoe  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:38:04am

re: #53 CyanSnowHawk

Very nice work indeed!

67 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:38:13am

re: #64 Creeping Eruption

Holy flashback batman

68 wolfie  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:38:25am

re: #54 livetotell

McCain can't compete with Obamas money and Soros hate campaign . He wants to take the high road so he will have a moral defense against the smears that are coming . It's all he can do.

Money.
That's going to be a big problem for McCain.
A problem partly of his own making (McCain-Feingold.)
But there's no joy in the "I told you so."

69 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:38:53am

Walk right side road, OK
Walk left side road, OK
Walk middle?
SQUISH, just like grape.
~ Mr. Myagi

70 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:39:02am

re: #64 Creeping Eruption

Not Aldo Nova's Fantasy ?

Need to get me a leopard skin suit like that.

71 coquimbojoe  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:39:24am

re: #65 Charles

American history is full of examples of nuanced campaign strategies that failed utterly.

That's why the old fool has to play smashmouth politics. Hillary will hand his ass to him if he doesn't.

72 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:39:31am

The RNC had better show the dirt on Obama and Clinton

Otherwise I'm voting for Sasquatch.

73 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:39:40am

re: #65 Charles

American history is full of examples of nuanced campaign strategies that failed utterly.

and on both sides of the aisle.

Many in Oklahoma suggest that Democrat Dolt Governor Brad Henry is chiefly the governor because his Republican rival ran a clean campaign against Henry.

74 coquimbojoe  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:39:44am

re: #70 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Need to get me a leopard skin suit like that.

Have one.

75 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:40:03am

re: #63 Syrah

Why vote for a republican acting like a democrat when you can elect the real thing?

76 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:40:26am

re: #67 BabbaZee

Holy flashback batman

Well, as soon as I saw "Lunatic Fringe" and "Twilight Zone" a door to my past opened, and I had to share.

77 Sponge  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:40:32am

re: #70 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Need to get me a leopard skin suit like that.

Yet another tune that I'm not upset to have stuck in my head.

78 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:41:02am

re: #70 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Need to get me a leopard skin suit like that.

Can't forget the boots

79 Temujin  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:41:15am

re: #17 BabbaZee

The Evils of Three Lessers

Babba - what an appropriate comment number.

The schlubs that Dare Not speak His name !

80 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:41:35am
81 saberry0530  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:41:42am

re: #74 coquimbojoe

Have one.

WHY?

82 jcm  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:41:55am

re: #71 coquimbojoe

That's why the old fool has to play smashmouth politics. Hillary will hand his ass to him if he doesn't.

Politics is smashmouth. If you're not playing that game you're not playing.

83 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:42:19am

Opiates

Leon Wieseltier


Last week was a good week for Herbert Marcuse. Bob Dylan won a Pulitzer Prize and Karl Marx was published on the op-ed page of The New York Times, and in German.

In America, revolution is a career move.

Marcuse thought this was the bad news, but it is the good news. In any event, it is springtime for repressive tolerance. The plan is working. There, on page A27, right above the Microsoft advertorial, were the surprising words: "Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes." Even more surprisingly, they were rained upon the heads of the paper's breakfasting readers by William Kristol, who graciously provided a translation from an old college paperback: "Religion ... is the opium of the people,"
learnedly adding that "Marx somehow always sounds better" in the original.

No, the English is pretty exact, and the German is not quite poetry. And over on the other side of the page, there was Kautsky, in Bob Herbert's unexpected column on Die Agrarfrage: Eine Uebersicht uber die Tendenzen der modernen Landwirthschaft und die Agrarpolitik der Sozialdemokratie.

I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But not about Kristol's Marx, who was resurrected to establish the culpability of Barack Obama.


[SNIP]

The Hopium of the Asses.

84 Genosaurer  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:42:32am

I gotta say I agree with the RNC. That has gotta be one of the weakest attack ads I've ever seen. The Wright clip they chose is one of the tamest, they censored the word "damn", and the condemnation of it is... less than scathing ("too extreme"?).

Besides which, it's an ad for the state governorship, which is really only tangentially related to Obama anyhow. The NCGOP, intentionally or not, is weakening McCain's presidential campaign - the voting public has a short memory and the elections are still a long ways off.

85 yochanan  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:42:36am

the donk 527's will do this shit and more, we have to respond in kind what ever the canidate does. IT IS OUR COUNTRY TOO!

86 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:42:41am

re: #74 coquimbojoe

Have one.

Do you wear it with the Carmen Miranda hat?

87 gymnast  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:42:48am

Charles, this is just a bit of "Brer Rabbit" politics. McCain is doing the right thing and allowing others to show Obama doing the Wright thing which they would do regardless of what McCain says about it. The MSM would be all over McCain if he did not do the ethical thing.

88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:42:56am

Another one; Life during wartime

89 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:42:59am

re: #79 Temujin

Ha! [REDACTED]

Where have you been hiding, on the steppes?

90 scott in east bay  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:43:04am

I have read here and there at McCain does not want to directly go after Obama because it lends support to the idea that he is the frontrunner. I expect that when the actual nominee emerges from the current celebrity death match, McCain will attack him or her with gusto.

Having said that, we all know that any criticism of Wright will be seen by the libs as "racist" or "attacking the clergy". We will all be called "racist", which concerns me no in the least. I am already wearing my "Typical White Person" shirt while shopping in Berkeley so I can enjoy the outrage it generates.

Wright and Ayers and examples of Obama's serious lack of the character responsible people want in a candidate. I am personally grossly offended that he assumes that I need "healing" or that I must recognize that we have a problem in this country regarding race.

Sorry, I don't have a problem with race. Most Americans, of all ethnicities don't have a problem with race. A lot of blacks, however DO have a problem with race. They're going to have to get over it themselves without my participation. Sorry.

By the way, I just read online in the Chicago Sun Times that Wright is going to be the guest speaker at the National Press Club and he will also be in Bill Moyer's Journal this Friday.

Wright and Ayers: the gifts that keep on giving.

91 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:43:32am

You see, this is the major defect with McCain. He loves to stick his thumbs in the eyes of his own base. I've had 20+ years of it. The man is a real piece of work, and it is a damn shame that I will have to hold my nose and vote for him.

92 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:44:02am
93 coquimbojoe  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:44:35am

re: #80 song_and_dance_man

Do you have the shoes to go with it?

Absolutely

re: #81 saberry0530

WHY?

Because my old pink summer unitard wore out.

94 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:44:51am

re: #90 scott in east bay

If McCain engages in ANY negativity in the runnings, there will be complaints that he is being negative despite his Election Financing Reform.

(No, it doesn't make sense, but look for it nonetheless)

95 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:44:55am

re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Another one; Life during wartime

Right back at you: Berlin: Metro

96 AZinfidel  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:44:57am

Re: #20

You're exactly right sultan_knish.

EVERYTHING Sen. McCain says and does is very carefully inspected and weighed for the maximum political gain. He is taking the high road right now.

The Senator has been working at being elected President for a long time. He will make the low road turn if and when he needs to. But if enough people do it for him, he can stay high and dry all the way to the White House.

Obviously, Sen. McCain is not the ideal candidate for us true conservatives, but he is the right man for the Republicans at this point in time. He has my vote for sure.

97 Roger  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:45:07am

In Center County PA two candidates for Congress spent mega bucks; up to ~1.2 million. The 1.2 million was beaten by 19k. the other for less then 19k.

98 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:45:07am
99 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:45:11am

re: #76 Creeping Eruption
[BLINK]

100 Opinionated  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:45:25am

If McCain runs the Jack Kemp "how to run for VP by saying nothing bad about your opponent" playbook, he will end up a loser like Kemp and Bob Dole.

101 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:45:32am
102 Dahveed  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:46:12am

I think I understand what McCain is trying to do. I think he wants to win on his own merits rather than winning based on putting the other candidates down. But, I really don't agree with this strategy. Obama's associations with radicals is absolutely open for discussion and attack. These are the types of people that will have access to the White House and will be advising the administration should Barack win. The people have the right to have this brought front and center by the GOP. The media won't discuss this, so the somebody must. McCain should embrace this.

103 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:46:35am

If mccain doesn't like it- the North Carolina republicans can always tell him they're just being mavericks.

104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:47:00am

re: #95 Creeping Eruption

Right back at you: Berlin: Metro

Ram Jam "Black Betty"

105 incanus  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:47:34am

Possible scenarios:

1) McCain is "above the fray"

2) He's playing "Good cop, bad cop"

3) He's thinking he should let Obama get the nomination so this type of stuff can be used in the campaign.

I sure hope it's (3), suspect it's (1). Bob Dole sucked, don't want no repeat.

106 Vergeltung  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:47:39am

McCain: snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

(sigh)

107 Syrah  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:47:41am

re: #75 Sharmuta

Why vote for a republican acting like a democrat when you can elect the real thing?

Exactly.

That should be tattooed on the inside of the eyelids of every Republican candidate running for office.

108 Roger  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:47:56am

re: #87 gymnast

ethical?

109 saberry0530  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:47:58am

re: #93 coquimbojoe

AHHHHHHHHH, MY EYES!

/

110 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:47:59am

re: #102 Dahveed

I think I understand what McCain is trying to do. I think he wants to win on his own merits rather than winning based on putting the other candidates down. But, I really don't agree with this strategy. Obama's associations with radicals is absolutely open for discussion and attack. These are the types of people that will have access to the White House and will be advising the administration should Barack win. The people have the right to have this brought front and center by the GOP. The media won't discuss this, so the somebody must. McCain should embrace this.

We've elected Bill Clinton, put Dems in the majority in Congress and the left is picking between Hillary and Obama...

Conservative Republicans have no choice but McCain....

When did 'ones own merit' come into play?

111 brainsample  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:48:02am

I think McCain might be smarter than we give him credit for. As Jim Geraghty points out at NRO, by condemning the ad, McCain has moved it out of NC and made it a national story. The youtube hits on it are growing rapidly.

112 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:48:04am
113 braddock  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:48:25am

I knew I was going to have to hold my nose when voting for McLame. Now I think I'm going to have to bring a barf bag in with me.

114 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:48:30am

re: #102 Dahveed

These are the types of people that will have access to the White House and will be advising the administration should Barack win.

No kidding.

115 coquimbojoe  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:48:33am

re: #109 saberry0530

AHHHHHHHHH, MY EYES!

/

You asked.

116 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:49:11am

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ram Jam "Black Betty"

Oooh, good one. And now for something completely different: Kraftwerk: The Model

117 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:49:19am
118 wolfie  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:49:23am

re: #90 scott in east bay

Yes. That is a very good reason for McCain not to attack Obama or Hillary specifically right now. He should wait until he has a specific target before taking shots at it.
And he also needs to save money.
Now is not the time.........And we'll see what he does later.

119 FoolsMate  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:49:34am

McCain knows how to fight dirty and get away with it. Don't worry.

120 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:49:35am

re: #103 Sharmuta

If mccain doesn't like it- the North Carolina republicans can always tell him they're just being mavericks.

121 Spiny Norman  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:50:13am
Does McCain actually want to win the election?

Sometimes, when he realizes that doing so would really upset his Democrat friends, I suspect he might not.

122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:50:36am

re: #116 Creeping Eruption

Oooh, good one. And now for something completely different: Kraftwerk: The Model

unt now is de time on Schprockets ver ve dansch!

123 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:50:39am

MPH
&
ETA

the only discernible differences
between R & D

today

124 Temujin  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:51:05am

Linda Daves is the Chairman of the NC Republican Party.

Republican chairwoman Linda Daves said she would not bow to pressure from the Republican National Committee and others to pull the ad.

The URL of the NC Republican Party Leaderhip page is:

[Link: www.ncgop.org...]

There is a link at the end of Ms. Dave's Profile to "e-mail Linda".

Just thought I'd mention all that ...

125 3 wood  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:51:18am

re: #99 BabbaZee

Hey Babba, I tried to respond to your email article this morning, and it bounced back in my face saying your email was down.

You notice any such problems lately?


By the way folks, be praying for our friend realwest today please. He's got a very important meeting with his doctors.

126 Roger  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:51:20am

re: #111 brainsample

And later on not be able to bring it up in a debate?

127 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:51:36am

re: #107 Syrah

That should be tattooed on the inside of the eyelids of every Republican candidate running for office.

While I'm sure the procedure itself would be a painful enough lesson- this wouldn't be very effective. We don't need more republicans with their yes shut- it's part of the problem. ;)

128 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:51:41am

re: #125 3 wood

I know
His mails came through
Try again

129 wolfie  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:52:13am

re: #113 braddock

I knew I was going to have to hold my nose when voting for McLame. Now I think I'm going to have to bring a barf bag in with me.

Fair enough, but......
Just do it!

130 alegrias  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:52:22am

re: #100 Opinionated

If McCain runs the Jack Kemp "how to run for VP by saying nothing bad about your opponent" playbook, he will end up a loser like Kemp and Bob Dole.

* * *
McCain won't end up a loser like Bob Dole, because unlike Bob Dole, McCain hasn't quit his Senate day job, so he'll still be in the Senate, undermining whoever's elected President, should McCain lose to the two leftists whose CARTER 08/McGovern08 POLICIES & PROCLIVITIES alone should cause any thinking American to vote for McCain instead of the pro-caliphate party.

131 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:53:08am

re: #127 Sharmuta

While I'm sure the procedure itself would be a painful enough lesson- this wouldn't be very effective. We don't need more republicans with their yes shut- it's part of the problem. ;)

How does one shut ones "yes"?

*rad*

132 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:53:16am

Biblical Scholars (and me) Challenge Pelosi's 'Scripture' Quote


House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is fond of quoting a particular passage of Scripture. The quote, however, does not appear in the Bible and is "fictional," according to biblical scholars.

In her April 22 Earth Day news release, Pelosi said, "The Bible tells us in the Old Testament, 'To minister to the needs of God's creation is an act of worship. To ignore those needs is to dishonor the God who made us.' On this Earth Day, and every day, let us pledge to our children, and our children's children, that they will have clean air to breathe, clean water to drink, and the opportunity to experience the wonders of nature."

Cybercast News Service repeatedly queried the speaker's office for two days to determine where the alleged Bible quote is found. Thus far, no one has responded.

Distinguished biblical scholars, however, cast doubt on the existence of the passage.

John J. Collins, the Holmes professor of Old Testament criticism and interpretation at Yale Divinity School, said he is totally unfamiliar with Pelosi's quotation.

"(It's) not one that I recognize," Collins told Cybercast News Service. "I assume that she means this is a paraphrase. But it wouldn't be a close paraphrase to anything I know of."

Claude Mariottini, a professor of Old Testament at Northern Baptist Theological Seminary, told Cybercast News Service the passage not only doesn't exist - it's "fictional."

"It is not in the Bible," Mariottini said. "There is nothing that even approximates that."


[SNIP]

133 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:53:22am
134 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:53:27am

re: #129 wolfie

Fair enough, but......
Just do it!

Any shooting plans for the weekend?

I try not to think about McCain. I dispise that he is what the RNC considers a Republican. Another few elections and the Dem will be calling for removal of property rights and the Republican will be calling for us to stick to Universal Healthcare.

Meanwhile, conservatives will be considered mentally ill.

135 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:53:28am
136 Temujin  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:54:17am

re: #89 BabbaZee

The steppes? Nah.

Imagine Paul Shanklin singing, "In The Gulag" ...

137 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:54:47am

re: #119 FoolsMate

McCain knows how to fight dirty and get away with it. Don't worry.

I'm not. I expect the attacks to begin in earnest on the Dem nominee in August, after he or she is chosen.

138 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:55:10am

re: #59 LanceKates

Now that's absurd. It would mean that every disabled Veteran would be ineligible to be POTUS. I'm not stunned, just disappointed that anybody would think a disabled vet was unqualified simply because he is disabled in some manner.

139 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:55:23am

re: #136 Temujin

The steppes? Nah.

Imagine Paul Shanklin singing, "In The Gulag" ...

ROTF!

140 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:55:25am
141 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:55:39am

You know, there's such a thing as conserving firepower until the crucial time. There's also the concept of employing maximum firepower for effect to eliminate your foe.

The Rev. Wright is powerful firepower against Obama.

Using it judiciously is a good idea.

I think McCain is wondering whether he'd do better against Obama or Hillary in November, and that might be playing into his role here - as is the fact that he can play nice while letting his underlings and independent GOP state organizations do the hit pieces for him.

On the whole, exposing Obama's weaknesses and failings - to say nothing of his connections to odious folks like Ayers and Wright should be highlighted at every turn.

Meanwhile, you've now got folks calling for Obama to step aside and give the race to Hillary.

142 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:55:57am

re: #132 BabbaZee

Pelosi lied and butterflys died!

143 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:56:34am

re: #140 song_and_dance_man

Or some Gramscian Churchianity Pamphlet from the Great Church of the Unrepentant Whore

144 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:56:56am

re: #138 Cap'n DOC

Now that's absurd. It would mean that every disabled Veteran would be ineligible to be POTUS. I'm not stunned, just disappointed that anybody would think a disabled vet was unqualified simply because he is disabled in some manner.

What made the article even more stupid was that the 'point' was followed by questioning whether he should get the pension as I guess he was on some hiking publicity thing.

Frankly, FDR was president. JFK was President.

145 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:56:59am

re: #120 MandyManners

If mccain doesn't like it- the North Carolina republicans can always tell him they're just being mavericks.

That video needed less Kenny Loggins trying to look bad ass, and more clips from the volleyball scene.

146 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:57:24am
147 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:57:47am

re: #141 lawhawk

How, then, would it look for McCain to talk about Wright after asking the NC GOP to not talk about Wright?

Imagine the news reports about McCain 'grasping at straws' . . .

148 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:57:54am

re: #141 lawhawk

Obama IMHO is profoundly unelectable & I hope he stays in.

149 alegrias  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:57:59am

re: #137 Honorary Yooper

I'm not. I expect the attacks to begin in earnest on the Dem nominee in August, after he or she is chosen.

* * *
McCain attacked Michael Moore (though not by name) on live tv during McCain's speech while Michael Moore was sitting in at the Republican Convention! Moore got booed!

150 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:58:04am

re: #131 MandyManners

How does one shut ones "yes"?

*rad*

A PIMF upon my comment! "eyes".

151 braddock  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:58:17am

re: #129

re: #113 braddock

I knew I was going to have to hold my nose when voting for McLame. Now I think I'm going to have to bring a barf bag in with me.

Fair enough, but......
Just do it!

/ I'm team player but sometimes I want to be traded to another team.

152 Iron Fist  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:58:28am

I am afraid we may have another Bob Dole on our hands. Bob Dole might have actually won in '96 (remember, Clinton didn't get 50% of the vote) if he had actually, you know, campaigned for President. He didn't want to be too mean.

Being too mean has never stopped the Democrats from doing whatever it takes to win elections. According to them, Bush lynches black people, and Republicans in general starve old people.

The Democrats want America to lose the war in Iraq. They crave a loss the way an alcoholic craves a drink.

It is time the RNC stepped up to the plate and actually ran a campaign. All they have to do is tell the fucking truth, and the American people will reject the Democrats. As it is, I have to wonder if the Republicans want to win. That's why, BTW, I've stopped contributing to the Republican Party. If they don't want to win, there's no point in my giving them my hard-earned money.

153 AZfederalist  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:58:54am

re: #93 coquimbojoe

Because my old pink summer unitard wore out.

You know, I could have gone my whole life without seeing that.

/dang, brain bleach, where is it? Need to start getting the industrial size jugs.

154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:58:57am

re: #144 LanceKates

What made the article even more stupid was that the 'point' was followed by questioning whether he should get the pension as I guess he was on some hiking publicity thing.

Frankly, FDR was president. JFK was President.

They also tried to make it seem like he was cheating on his taxes by receiving it but not claiming it, even though they later admit it is tax-exempt. They just wanted to make it sound crooked.

155 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:59:15am
156 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:00:44am
157 Roger  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:00:47am

re: #148 Ojoe

You have to take into account there are many profoundly ill voters.

158 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:00:54am

re: #11 Killgore Trout

This is why McCain is going to get crushed in debates (especially against Obama). He refuses to attack his opponent and is going to look weak, frail and dull next to Obama on stage.

McCain has been nicer to Obama than is he to us conservatives (he told our Sen. Cornyn to f-ck off). There's something wrong with that, IMHO.

159 jcm  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:01:18am

re: #132 BabbaZee

Biblical Scholars (and me) Challenge Pelosi's 'Scripture' Quote



[SNIP]

Letter of the Watermelon of the Apostle Pelousy to the Church of Algore.

160 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:01:29am

re: #156 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I dig it

161 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:01:41am

re: #159 jcm

Letter of the Watermelon of the Apostle Pelousy to the Church of Algore.

Ahhhhhahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaa

162 alegrias  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:02:02am

re: #138 Cap'n DOC

Now that's absurd. It would mean that every disabled Veteran would be ineligible to be POTUS. I'm not stunned, just disappointed that anybody would think a disabled vet was unqualified simply because he is disabled in some manner.

* * *
Compared to Obama, McCain can't play basketball as the North Vietcong tore him new shoulder sockets while torturing his with his already broken arms from ejecting his airplane, nor can he raise his arms very well for that reason.

McCain can play chess with opponents very well however.

163 faraway  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:02:05am

I liked 2 things:
1. The ad had the GD bleeped out. Sounds more sinister that way. Plus, when was the last time your pastor had to be bleeped?

2. The blogger said something like "Obama is multiracial so dont call me racist" Very interesting approach.

164 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:02:26am

re: #152 Iron Fist

one of my complaints about the RNC is that they never seemed to WANT to be in power.

They seemed to prefer to be in the minority so that they weren't held accountable for anything and could just sit and whine about Democrats.

I see no passion in the RNC and those who show some sort of passion are wholly ignored until they drop out of the race.

165 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:02:29am

re: #132 BabbaZee

Busted!

Did she get that out of the same Bible that Samuel L. Jackson used in Pulp Fiction?

166 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:02:31am
167 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:02:39am

re: #149 alegrias

* * *
McCain attacked Michael Moore (though not by name) on live tv during McCain's speech while Michael Moore was sitting in at the Republican Convention! Moore got booed!

Exactly. McCain picked the opportunity to deal with Moore. McCain's not stupid, and surly did not keep his Senate seat by sitting back and doing nothing. He'll deal with the nominee when he or she is chosen, and not a minute sooner.

168 ROPMA  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:02:41am

Wait until AFTER Obama get the nomination then unload all of the attacks on him.

169 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:03:18am

re: #154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They also tried to make it seem like he was cheating on his taxes by receiving it but not claiming it, even though they later admit it is tax-exempt. They just wanted to make it sound crooked.

And people think that McCain will get a fair shake by the MSM once the mess with Hillary and Obama is settled? heh.

171 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:03:58am

re: #165 Ward Cleaver

Busted!

Did she get that out of the same Bible that Samuel L. Jackson used in Pulp Fiction?

HAHAHAHAHA

172 Silhouette  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:04:08am

re: #132 BabbaZee

Maybe it is in the Constitution, next to where it talks about separtation of church and state.

173 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:04:35am

re: #157 Roger

Unfortunately this is true.

174 alegrias  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:04:47am

re: #138 Cap'n DOC

Now that's absurd. It would mean that every disabled Veteran would be ineligible to be POTUS. I'm not stunned, just disappointed that anybody would think a disabled vet was unqualified simply because he is disabled in some manner.

* * *
Exactly!

Democrat FDR was Secretary of the Navy and a WAR president in a wheelchair for heaven's sake, and re-elected three times and would have been President for Life had democrats been able to make it so!

175 itellu3times  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:05:12am

re: #132 BabbaZee

I dunno, but here she is saying it three years ago.

Sounds like some sort of Green Tikkun Olam. Maybe she should wear a green thread on her wrist.

176 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:05:32am

re: #160 BabbaZee

I dig it

One of the few new bands I like

177 faraway  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:05:51am

Mccain/Palin 2008
See Sarah Palin, athlete, beauty queen, eats mooseburgers. No mention of lizard eating.

178 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:06:22am

re: #172 Silhouette

Maybe it is in the Constitution, next to where it talks about separtation of church and state.

OH hohohohoho!

179 yochanan  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:06:23am

SYRIA, IRAN, N.K. nuke axis is the main story today

180 formercorpsman  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:06:24am

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey

Reminds of Bugs in drag.

Bowregaad!

Tha yankays aw en chatanoogi!

181 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:06:42am

re: #170 BabbaZee

There are times for playing chess
and then again
there are times for making whips,
screaming and yelling,
and chasing the assholes out of the temple courtyard

I love that video. Kickin' ass and takin' names. Did you see the comment, "You go Jesus!"?

182 mattm  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:07:15am

Could we get the NC Republican leadership to replace the RNC leadership. They act like they want to win.

183 Strike Hornet  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:07:15am

Good Ad!

184 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:07:20am

re: #175 itellu3times

I dunno, but here she is saying it three years ago.

Sounds like some sort of Green Tikkun Olam. Maybe she should wear a green thread on her wrist.

I'm gonna go find the corrupt pamphlet of Stan this crap came from.

BBIAFM

185 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:07:33am

re: #181 Ward Cleaver

lol yup

186 jcm  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:07:42am

re: #177 faraway

Mccain/Palin 2008
See Sarah Palin, athlete, beauty queen, eats mooseburgers. No mention of lizard eating.

ALASKA - 3 Electoral Votes. Dark horse.

187 faraway  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:08:58am

re: #181 Ward Cleaver
I hope he hasn't been paying attention to the subprime lenders:)

188 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:09:07am

re: #177 faraway

Mccain/Palin 2008
See Sarah Palin, athlete, beauty queen, eats mooseburgers. No mention of lizard eating.

His VP is going to be a governor (current or past) from a state that he might not otherwise win.

I'm thinking Romney or Huckabee.

Not a chance in hell of Jeb Bush.

189 Psaturn  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:09:51am

Charles, you got a point there...

And the odd thing is that the media did not hound Obama with his 20 yrs mentorship with Rev Wright.

Compare with the MSM hounding McCain with Pastor Hagee...and all what Pastor Hagee was doing was ENDORSING McCain....and the media jumped all over McCain over that...

So what about the Hamas endorsing Obama? Huh ?

How about that, MSM?

190 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:10:00am

re: #177 faraway

Mccain/Palin 2008
See Sarah Palin, athlete, beauty queen, eats mooseburgers. No mention of lizard eating.

Cool!

I fixed an error there (changed "snowmachines" to snowmobiles).

191 Shug  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:10:37am

Jenna Bush Doesn't know

Really from that's all I got from this article.

She just doesn't know

192 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:10:41am

so far I am seeing similar phrases used by this group:

European Christian Environmental Network

and here

[Link: 64.233.169.104...]

Gaiababble appropriating Christianty

193 Iron Mike  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:10:46am

re: #20 sultan_knish

I wouldn't count McCain out yet

this way McCain gets to take the high ground while disavowing a local ad that has nothing to do with his campaign anyway... and knowing it will run anyway

any way you look at it McCain wins

Indeed. McCain's letting his eventual opponent be ripped to shreds by the other one. He needs to keep his mouth shut, eyes open, and get ready for the real campaign that will begin after the Dem convention.

This election will be a sprint, not a marathon.

194 chicagodudewhotrades  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:10:49am

This reminds me of a old episode of "The West Wing". President Bartlet 'accidentally' makes a open microphone comment about how the other party's candidate wasn't that bright, at first the media was questioning the president about it, but then they start looking at the other guy and realize the president is correct.


I do think McCain is being sly about this. i agree with a above comment that by speaking out against a local commercial McCain is making it go national. He is a ex fighter pilot. he is good in terms of thinking both strategically and tactically

195 wolfie  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:10:50am

re: #134 LanceKates

Any shooting plans for the weekend?

I try not to think about McCain. I dispise that he is what the RNC considers a Republican. Another few elections and the Dem will be calling for removal of property rights and the Republican will be calling for us to stick to Universal Healthcare.

Meanwhile, conservatives will be considered mentally ill.

Yes! I am going on Saturday again!
Then the big test for my little nerves will be the next weekend, when I will go alone.
I am actually enjoying this and am amazed that I finally am doing it!

The problem with "progressivism" is that it is inherently totalitarian. There is no limit to what you are going to get the government to do for you. The minute we "re-interpreted" our Constitution to allow this, the game was up.
We're on that train whether we like it or not, and the only question is how far and fast we're going. Sigh.
I am not an optimist.

196 SeafoodGumbo  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:11:29am

re: #94 LanceKates

If McCain engages in ANY negativity in the runnings, there will be complaints that he is being negative despite his Election Financing Reform.

(No, it doesn't make sense, but look for it nonetheless)

I have a theory about "Negative Campaigning." We always hear (via the media) just how much Americans are supposedly turned off by negative ads and attack ads, but are we really?

I don't know if that really is true. For myself, I'd much rather watch an attack ad than one of those saccharine ads showing the candidate as the family man playing with his kids and the dog in the yard. Borrrring -- seen one, you've seen a million. Attack ads are much more original and directed.

My theory about attack ads is that the media wants people to believe that we don't like them because it usurps the media's monopoly on telling us bad news about candidates. The media wants to be the only bearer of bad news so that it can tell you bad things about the candidate they're against, and withhold bad info about the candidate they support.

197 Adrenalyn  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:11:32am

McCain should shut up and eat his pancakes

let others voice what he is unwilling to speak of


all he has to do to win in November is stay quiet
no talking to anyone
no debates
no interviews
no questions

just shut up and let the voters ponder who B. Hussein Obama is and who he associates with and his got it in the bag

but you speak up like this Senator McCain
and you can watch it slip away
like the memories in the mind of an old man
with dementia

198 alegrias  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:11:36am

re: #182 mattm

Could we get the NC Republican leadership to replace the RNC leadership. They act like they want to win.

* * *
Then why did North Carolina have John Edwards as one of its senators? How moonbatty/leftist is NC?

199 incanus  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:12:05am

re: #132 BabbaZee

They should have asked "which bible" rather than "where in the Bible"

200 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:12:41am

re: #187 faraway

I hope he hasn't been paying attention to the subprime lenders:)

I hope he has.

/in other news, the corporate headquarters of several mortgage companies who made billions in the subprime mortgage business were wiped out today, by freak tornadoes

201 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:12:54am
202 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:13:09am
For many years, churches and groups of Christians have been seeking to address the environmental concerns implicit in the biblical command to work and to care for God's creation. The nature and extent of this work of this varies greatly in countries and different localities, but in recent years, those working on environmental issues in the churches have become increasingly aware of the need to share and work together. The First European Ecumenical Assembly in Basel in 1989 alerted many in the wider church family to the importance of environmental issues. The CEC/CCEE Mulheim and Crete conferences in 1995, the EECCS Ecology and Economics working group (1993-98), and the 1996-7 WCC petition on climate change all represented stages in a greater working together.

It was at the Second European Ecumenical Assembly in June 1997, however, that the key steps were taken to bring about the goal of a pan-European churches' network on the environment. Following Graz, a series of meetings of an ad hoc working group were held from 1997-8. These led to a proposal to invite churches across Europe to send representatives to what became the inaugural Assembly of ECEN in Vilemov in October 1998.

203 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:13:14am
204 faraway  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:13:28am

re: #186 jcm
She's a firebreathing conservative, though.
She's a pro-life, anti gay marriage,budget cutting, veto-wielding conservative machine.

205 alegrias  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:13:38am

re: #191 Shug

Jenna Bush Doesn't know

Really from that's all I got from this article.

She just doesn't know

* * *
John McCain's daughter Meghan, who campaigns with her dad fulltime, voted for John Kerry in 2004 as she admitted recently to media.
(Wonder if little Ms. McCain saw John Kerry trashing her father last week on Chris Wallace's Fox Sunday talk show)

206 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:13:38am

re: #165 Ward Cleaver

Say what one more time.... Did I break your concentration....

207 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:13:41am

re: #199 incanus

They should have asked "which bible" rather than "where in the Bible"

mmhmmm

208 jcm  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:14:30am

re: #188 LanceKates

His VP is going to be a governor (current or past) from a state that he might not otherwise win.

I'm thinking Romney or Huckabee.

Not a chance in hell of Jeb Bush.

I would love for him to tap Jindal, Gov. LA. However Jindal just took office, I'd rather have Jindal get 1-2 succeful terms under his belt and run for the top slot in '12 or '16 if McCain goes two terms.

209 alegrias  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:15:12am

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

Every year, the University of Chicago holds a Latke/Hamentasch Symposium.

Maybe there needs to be a pancake/waffle symposium between McCain and Obama.

* * *
Invariably the Republican pancake flipper falls off the stage backwards. Remember this happened during primaries to several!

210 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:15:42am

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
~ Revelation 22:18

Woe unto her ass.

211 incanus  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:15:50am

re: #188 LanceKates

His VP is going to be a governor (current or past) from a state that he might not otherwise win.

I'm thinking Romney or Huckabee.

Not a chance in hell of Jeb Bush.

You're not thinking Pawlenty?

212 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:16:05am

re: #194 chicagodudewhotrades

Good point, dude.

213 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:16:16am
214 wolfie  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:16:40am

re: #196 SeafoodGumbo

BINGO !

Er,.......you got any gumbo? I'm kinda hungry.
Sorry. I guess that was rude.
But if you did have some,.......

215 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:16:49am

re: #174 alegrias

* * *
Exactly!

Democrat FDR was Secretary of the Navy and a WAR president in a wheelchair for heaven's sake, and re-elected three times and would have been President for Life had democrats been able to make it so!

Well, that, and he died.

216 jcm  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:17:05am

re: #204 faraway

She's a firebreathing conservative, though.
She's a pro-life, anti gay marriage,budget cutting, veto-wielding conservative machine.

I'm not dissin' her, or her conservative creds. Other factor she just had a kid, would she campaign with an infant at home?

217 alegrias  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:17:21am

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

Every year, the University of Chicago holds a Latke/Hamentasch Symposium.

Maybe there needs to be a pancake/waffle symposium between McCain and Obama.

* * *
Obama would win the Pancakes Flip-off. Pancake flipping might be hard if you're disabled thanks to 5.5 years of communist torture to the shoulders.

218 Silhouette  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:17:28am

re: #205 alegrias

It's been done before. The media are trying to question their qualifications by pointing out that "even so-and-so isn't supporting them." Always done on an anecedotal level.

But when it is something large scale, like Al Gore not even winning his home state, it is ignored.

219 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:18:06am

re: #145 Sharmuta

That video needed less Kenny Loggins trying to look bad ass, and more clips from the volleyball scene.

Abs you could shred cabbage on!

220 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:18:25am

European Christian Environmental Network:

Ecology and Ecumenism in Europe : A Way Forward

221 JamesTKirk  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:18:43am

re: #63 Syrah

At some point, I can only hope, the RNC will learn that the only thing that you find when you run to the middle of the road, is that the traffic from both sides are now trying to run you down.

The middle of the road is where you find the yellow streak.

222 alegrias  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:18:56am

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

Every year, the University of Chicago holds a Latke/Hamentasch Symposium.

Maybe there needs to be a pancake/waffle symposium between McCain and Obama.

* * *
Is this the same school where William Ayres the weather underground unreconstructed vile & violent hippie teaches?

223 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:19:08am

re: #213 song_and_dance_man

{song}

224 yochanan  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:19:19am

re: #186 jcm

ALASKA - 3 Electoral Votes. Dark horse.

looks like a MILF to me.

225 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:19:21am

re: #195 wolfie

Great news about the shooting. Just stay calm and remember the rules of firearm safety. You'll do fine. :D

Be sure to keep your wedding ring where it can be easily seen. You're likely to have some guys winking at you.

As for giving up our rights, you're wholly correct. Once people learn that they can vote themselves free money at the cost of their freedoms, they never seem to miss the freedoms (until they're in jail for complaining about the 4 hour line to get bread from the government-controlled grocery store)

226 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:19:30am

I don't understand why calling Barry a radical is out of bounds.

227 Widow'smight  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:19:43am

re: #203 song_and_dance_man

Joe's only conservative trait is the defense of Israel and the US. I can live with that, plus he's a good man otherwise.

228 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:20:12am

Ecotheology!

Unholy crap.

229 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:20:25am

re: #221 JamesTKirk

The middle of the road is where you find the yellow streak.

Just ask W how the middle ground is working out for him. Approval rating lower than Truman's. If he had stuck to pleasing conservatives, his approval rating would be about double.

230 wolfie  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:20:37am

re: #216 jcm

I'm not dissin' her, or her conservative creds. Other factor she just had a kid, would she campaign with an infant at home?

She can take the baby with her on the road.
Then she can play victim! (baby=punishment)

231 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:20:54am

re: #196 SeafoodGumbo

I have a theory about "Negative Campaigning." We always hear (via the media) just how much Americans are supposedly turned off by negative ads and attack ads, but are we really?

I don't know if that really is true. For myself, I'd much rather watch an attack ad than one of those saccharine ads showing the candidate as the family man playing with his kids and the dog in the yard. Borrrring -- seen one, you've seen a million. Attack ads are much more original and directed.

My theory about attack ads is that the media wants people to believe that we don't like them because it usurps the media's monopoly on telling us bad news about candidates. The media wants to be the only bearer of bad news so that it can tell you bad things about the candidate they're against, and withhold bad info about the candidate they support.

America loves Attack Ads, almost as much as they love talking about how much they hate attack ads.

It is like rubbernecking at traffic accidents or watching Reality Television.

People don't look or watch to see uplifting things, they want to see mud flying.

232 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:21:29am

July 7 Bomber's Goodbye To Daughter

When it's Britian, it's news.

233 Iron Fist  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:21:35am

re: #155 BabbaZee,

Ain't it the truth.

{BabbaZeeeeeeeee}

234 davenp35  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:21:50am

Why are McCain and the RNC such cowards?!? The biggest problem with conservatives is that they refuse to roll up their sleaves and fight for what they believe in. Playing Mr. Niceguy doesn't win elections or ideological battles. Obama is an extremist and John needs to grow some stones.

235 wolfie  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:22:50am

re: #221 JamesTKirk

The middle of the road is where you find the yellow streak.

Also, if my musical memory serves me, the dead skunk.
(Wish I knew how to find/do links. Also wish I could figure out the microwave.)

236 maddogg  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:22:50am

re: #229 rawmuse

Just ask W how the middle ground is working out for him. Approval rating lower than Truman's. If he had stuck to pleasing conservatives, his approval rating would be about double.


Perhaps history will be as kind to GWB as it has been to Truman.

237 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:23:10am
238 alegrias  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:23:16am

re: #226 Ben Hur

I don't understand why calling Barry a radical is out of bounds.

* * *
Because democrats think radical is chic, and naive people will think radical is a good thing. Remember their marxista kefiyyeh fashions & marxista flags are OK; but American flags are not to be worn or displayed.

239 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:23:49am
240 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:24:04am
World Council of Churches Climate Change Petition

The WCC has had a substantial programme addressing the issue of climate change. After a consultation in Driebergen in 1993, a discussion document (ref. 7) was widely circulated, with a follow up work in 1996-8 (ref. 8). With its global constituency, the emphasis was especially on the impact on communities in the South. This work was done somewhat independent of the above European initiatives until the launch in 1996 of a petition campaign on Climate Change, which called on churches of all industrialised nations to urge their governments to set serious greenhouse gas emission targets beyond 2000. Many European churches took part, but the number of signatures was relatively small. In the UK, the "top-down" approach from the church administrations tended to work well only where there were local activists within a congregation. Nonetheless, the formal presentation in March 1997 of the combined petitions to the UN co-ordinators of the climate change negotiations in Bonn was a notable event, which significantly raised the seriousness of the moral dimension of the issue to the delegates.


Just cause we are just now waking up and smelling these deceptions does not mean they are "new"

BTW: WCC is a commie infiltration group

241 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:24:15am

re: #203 song_and_dance_man

I still champion Lieberman as veep. Pull votes from the (D)'s and piss off the Muslims in one fell stroke.

Plus, Joe is somewhat a conservative (D), as if that means anything nowadays.

/Romney bow your head

Lieberman IS more conservative than McCain when it comes to stances on gun control (despite McCains WORDS as of late)

However, it would be the nail in the coffin. As much as I admire Lieberman's stances on opposition to islamic terror (in conflict with the Democrat party line), he is a liberal fellow on most everything else.

I'd vote third party LONG before I'd vote McCain/Lieberman.

I don't want the RNC to be rewarded for moving to the Left.

242 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:25:25am

re: #211 incanus

You're not thinking Pawlenty?

Not a chance that McCain could win MN.

That's the state that, despite the rest of the country, still voted for Humphrey.

243 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:26:13am

re: #234 davenp35

Why are McCain and the RNC such cowards?!? The biggest problem with conservatives is that they refuse to roll up their sleaves and fight for what they believe in. Playing Mr. Niceguy doesn't win elections or ideological battles. Obama is an extremist and John needs to grow some stones.

The problem with McCain and the RNC is that they are NOT conservatives.

244 AuntAcid  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:26:14am

"Mayday" McCain may turn out to be just another empty chute.

245 alegrias  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:26:35am

re: #234 davenp35

Why are McCain and the RNC such cowards?!? The biggest problem with conservatives is that they refuse to roll up their sleaves and fight for what they believe in. Playing Mr. Niceguy doesn't win elections or ideological battles. Obama is an extremist and John needs to grow some stones.

* * *
Independents & hawkish bitter democrats need to agree that Obama is not presidential material. The case has to be made so people will agree this is a fact.

It is the job of people who care about the country, not JUST conservatives, to make the case.

We can help make the case by word of mouth, the web, etc. It's not just TOP DOWN from campaigns, but bottom up.

246 Iron Fist  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:27:09am

re: #203 song_and_dance_man,

Lieberman's a Liberal on everything but the War. Pick Lieberman as VP, and you might as well tell the Conservative base to go fuck themselves in exactly those words. They'll just stay home. No real point in voting.

No, McCain has to pick a conservative VP. The question is who.

247 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:27:45am

re: #235 wolfie

Is this what you are looking for?

Dead Skunk

248 alegrias  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:28:36am

re: #239 rawmuse

Hey whaddya know, Obama finally agrees to go on Fox.

* * *
Hillary's been on Fox & Friends lately.
Terry McCauliffe praised Fox news recently.

It's where the bitter voters are!
/sarc

249 JamesTKirk  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:29:04am

re: #246 Iron Fist

Lieberman's a Liberal on everything but the War. Pick Lieberman as VP, and you might as well tell the Conservative base to go fuck themselves in exactly those words...

...again.

250 Roger  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:29:26am

re: #235 wolfie

Which browser are you using?

251 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:29:59am

John McGeritol doesn't excite me. We're getting a Senator for President. Whoopeee!

/

252 wolfie  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:30:20am

re: #247 Bubblehead II

Is this what you are looking for?

Dead Skunk

You are an angel !
Yes indeed!

253 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:30:21am
254 TS  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:31:08am

I'm a NC girl and yes, it's like that! :)

255 faraway  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:32:04am

McCain/Dole 2008

Not Bob, of course.

256 wolfie  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:32:40am

re: #250 Roger

Which browser are you using?

Er,.....um............I'll have to wait until Mr. Wolf or one of the children come home to answer that! (Yes, I'm that pathetic.)
Actually the 6 yr old next door might know. His cat is named Browser.

257 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:32:41am

The only Democrat VP that I"d accept for McCain is....

... wait for it....


Zell Miller.

258 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:33:14am

THis is a PDF
but I think her bullshit quote is here somewhere

I'm getting close

259 DontTread  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:33:58am

Send the 527s after Obama now, but let McCain stay out until the Democratic nominee is settled.

260 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:34:57am
261 jcm  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:34:59am

re: #237 song_and_dance_man

The Harlot takes shape.

The Great Whore is not what many think it may be. It is a corporate conglomeration of many political and 'so called' religious entities that seek to replace the true bride from it's marriage to the True Host.

/yeah this will be lost on many, and yes it sucks.

DING! DING! Just as the bride is a conglomeration of the the faithful, who have prepared themselves spiritually.

262 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:35:11am
263 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:38:36am

This ad looks to me like a perfect example of judging "a man not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character"......ironic, no?

264 AZfederalist  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:39:18am

re: #158 Ward Cleaver

McCain has been nicer to Obama than is he to us conservatives (he told our Sen. Cornyn to f-ck off). There's something wrong with that, IMHO.

Yep. While I believe many conservatives will vote for McCain this election simply because the alternative is too horrible to contemplate, I'm beginning to wonder whether we aren't about to see a split in both parties.
On the Democrat side, look who they've been nominating and who their choices were, nothing but hard-left socialist (to be kind) radicals as far as the eye could see. If you are a Kennedy era, "vote Democrat because my daddy and grandpa were democrat" union member who hunts, goes to church, and has a semblance of moral foundation, you've got to be cringing at what the democrat party has become, the positions it champions, and the people leading it. They stand for everything you oppose with the exception, perhaps, of "sticking to the man and the rich". The current party has drummed out the likes of Zell Miller and other southern conservatives (unless they need them to win an election to gain control of congress). Given this case, I would think that a Zell Miller like party could easily split off from the bunch of stalinists running the party.

On the Republican side, similar issues exist. There isn't a single real conservative (with maybe the exception of Fred) who was running. We now have the Rockefeller republicans back in power. It's pretty hard to tell what difference they have from the majority of democrats. It's certainly not lower taxes, less intrusive and smaller government, or getting government out of the way of the people so they can excel. Democrat-lite is about the best that can be said of them, their motto seems to be "we won't be quite as intrusive as those on the other side of the aisle." I mean even Newt is making commercials with Nancy Pelosi saying "they have come together" to take on man-made global warming. Bull*, Nancy didn't go anywhere, Newt caved, surrendered and capitulated to the hoax of man-made global warming -- the commercial was just the confirmation of the surrender. Other examples abound, I believe GW was probably the last statist one-world candidates that conservatives could support because he still held to some conservative principles and demonstrated them. The current candidate and others are actually doing their pest to poke a finger in the eyes of solid conservatives. All that is needed is a strong conservative voice, and a viable conservative, constitutional party could easily emerge from the modern republican party.

I just don't see either party as fully representing their constituencies anymore. A split won't happen now, neither side wants to lose this coming election -- but following this election, it sure seems like the seeds are there.

265 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:39:58am

re: #262 song_and_dance_man

The greatest threat America (think of the principles of freedom and liberty) faces is the advance of fascism. It comes in many forms - from the socialist ideals from the likes of Cackle Rodham and B. Husseim, who seem to slouch toward that aim, to the very clear and present danger that Islam poses.

Carter, a former president, meets with the terrorist org Hamas. What does this mean to the left?

Joe, although a vote casting member for the left, holds to need to stop terrorism, and I think he gets it.

That's fine, but when he supports every other leftist agenda of the DNC, how does he help conservatives or America?

It doesn't help to protect our outsides if we're going to slide into socialism from within. If you have a cavity, you don't make sure to use toothpaste that builds up enamel.... you have to take care of the rot on the inside as well.

We talk about fighting islamic terror in order to protect America and the freedom she provides..... Shouldn't we also protect America and those freedoms from the socialists that make up the DNC?

Instead, we reward the RNC's movement to the left by supporting people like McCain.... who is only called a maverick, instead of a traitor, by the MSM because he is siding with Democrats instead of against them. (i.e. Zell Miller being called a backstabbing trator)...

Remember that when Lieberman was booted from the DNC, he DID win as an Independent, then immediately buddied up to the DNC again.

Despite any romanticized conservative bend in him regarding the war on terror, he is a liberal nonetheless.

266 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:40:02am

OH GTFOH, dig this

PANTHEISM RECONSTRUCTED: ECOTHEOLOGY AS A SUCCESSOR TO THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN, ENLIGHTENMENT, AND POSTMODERNIST PARADIGMS


Welcome to the book of revelation
Have a seat
Someone from our Feral Jewtian dept will be with you in a moment

267 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:41:34am

re: #252 wolfie

Your welcome. Anything for the Lady holding a gun, :-)

268 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:42:46am

McCain can kiss my NC Republican ass...

269 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:43:03am
Become a Green Congregation:
Transforming Faith Communities
Complete Guide and Manuals
Getting Started
Worship
Religious Education
Building and Grounds
Home and Work
Advocacy


I. can. not.

270 niall  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:43:58am

Wow, glad to see that at least somebody here in NC has some sense!

271 mcg  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:47:06am

The Shrewd Play Behind McCain's Disavowal of the NC GOP Ad, from Jim Geraghty:

Does no one else see what's going on here?

How many other North Carolina Republican Party ads have you heard about this year? Last year? The year before that?

By criticizing the ad, McCain turned it into a national story, which means the ad is likely to be replayed on the cable networks and linked on YouTube and discussed on the talk shows and talk radio and written about in newspapers and magazines. This ad has 76,000 views on YouTube already, and it was posted online Tuesday.

And McCain gets to take the high road, saying he doesn't want to see negative campaigning done on his behalf.

I'll be honest: I'm not sure McCain himself is that shrewd. But his campaign staff? I'll bet they're more than happy to let McCain complain publicly about the ad.

272 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:47:31am

re: #269 BabbaZee

All green churches must pledge allegiance to

THE EARTH CHARTER

according to this Gorey Pamphlet of Stan

This is where Pelosi is getting that crap form

no doubt

273 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:47:56am

re: #271 mcg

It'll work against him if he ever tries to bring up Wright.

274 jcm  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:50:12am

re: #266 BabbaZee

OH GTFOH, dig this

PANTHEISM RECONSTRUCTED: ECOTHEOLOGY AS A SUCCESSOR TO THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN, ENLIGHTENMENT, AND POSTMODERNIST PARADIGMS


Welcome to the book of revelation
Have a seat
Someone from our Feral Jewtian dept will be with you in a moment

The Judeo-Christian, Enlightenment, and postmodernist paradigms have become intellectually and ethically exhausted. They are obviously failing to provide a conceptual framework conducive to eliminating some of humanity's worst scourges, including war and environmental destruction.

A modern humanistic perspective. The opposer and evil is simple not recognized as existing and having an active role.

275 jcm  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:51:30am

re: #272 BabbaZee

All green churches must pledge allegiance to

THE EARTH CHARTER

according to this Gorey Pamphlet of Stan

This is where Pelosi is getting that crap form

no doubt

Stan being welcomed in the front door of the church, and given a seat on the dais.
*spit*

276 incanus  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:52:54am

re: #266 BabbaZee

OH GTFOH, dig this

PANTHEISM RECONSTRUCTED: ECOTHEOLOGY AS A SUCCESSOR TO THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN, ENLIGHTENMENT, AND POSTMODERNIST PARADIGMS


Welcome to the book of revelation
Have a seat
Someone from our Feral Jewtian dept will be with you in a moment

Holy crap (er, make that UNholy):

The Judeo-Christian, Enlightenment, and postmodernist paradigms have become intellectually and ethically exhausted. They are obviously failing to provide a conceptual framework conducive to eliminating some of humanity's worst scourges, including war and environmental destruction. This raises the issue of a successor, which necessitates a reexamination of first principles, starting with our concept of God. Pantheism, which is differentiated from panentheism, denies the existence of a transcendent, supernatural creator and instead asserts that God and the universe are one and the same. Understood via intuition, modern cosmology, and other natural sciences, it offers an alternative worldview that posits the divine and sacred nature of the universe/creation. By asserting the fallacy of the creator/creation dichotomy and any attempts to anthropomorphize or personalize God, pantheism precludes hubris stemming from erroneous notions of divine favoritism. [sound familiar? think we had a thread on that recently] The links between Judeo-Christianity and the Enlightenment are traced and a case made that the latter has resulted in the equally erroneous and hubristic notion of human ascendancy to a Godlike status, with the concept of progress providing a secular version of the Christian belief in salvation. By reestablishing the natural sciences’ metanarrative, even as it asserts the divinity of the material universe, pantheism simultaneously demotes postmodernism and reconciles science with religion. Pantheism provides a theological foundation for deep ecology and also stakes out a viable third position in relation to the ongoing dispute between advocates of intelligent design and the scientific establishment.

277 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:53:16am
A modern humanistic perspective.


Pretending to be Christianity.



The Laodicean Lie

279 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:55:08am
280 KalvinB  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:55:11am

I think it would be better for McCain to challenge Obama on his views directly rather than assume what his views are based on his connection.

I would rather hear John McCain ask Obama "do you think america's foreign policy lead to the attacks on 9/11?" rather than go on about what his pastor said.

Or "do you think the government invented AIDS to use against blacks?"

"Do you believe that the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment infected blacks with the disease?"

[Link: www.infoplease.com...]

The government lied about treating those already infected. They did not infect them as some claim.

John McCain has many opportunities to stomp on Obama with hard questions related to his pastor's views.

Simply quoting his pastor won't accomplish anything. These ideas need to come directly from Obama's mouth.

281 ContraJihadi  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:56:26am

re: #266 BabbaZee

OH GTFOH, dig this

PANTHEISM RECONSTRUCTED: ECOTHEOLOGY AS A SUCCESSOR TO THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN, ENLIGHTENMENT, AND POSTMODERNIST PARADIGMS


Welcome to the book of revelation
Have a seat
Someone from our Feral Jewtian dept will be with you in a moment

Sorry, but two centuries ago Hegel dismissed pantheism when he invited his students to ask themselves, "Is this pencil God?"

The natural universe is an assembly of mutually exterior objects, whereas Spirit is interiority, that is, consciousness aware of itself as consciousness. A supreme being cannot be a mere assembly of objects that have only contingent relationships to each other but must encompass the potentially mutually re-cognizing community of individual consciousnesses.

282 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:56:50am

re: #275 jcm

see also: Wright, Jeremiah

etc
etc
etc

283 littleben  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:57:18am

I think there are two layers to McCain's "repudiation" of the NC Wright ads.

On the one hand, he probably sincerely believes in good old fashioned American notions of fair play and this ad targets local NC Democrats
running for local office who wouldn't know Wright from Wrong.
You can see this thread of "fairness" behind his statements on "waterboarding", immigration and his mea culpa for having opposed the establishment of the MLK holiday.

On the other hand, he is one tough, shrewd and savvy politico, and his only chance at winning is to attract the Reagan Democrats and independents who need a shield from the inevitable innuendo which will come from the MSM that they are voting their racial fears.

McCain is smart to stay away from any issue that can be construed as racial in nature, no matter how tenuous, and leave the heavy hitting to the surrogates.

284 mcg  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:57:24am

re: #273 LanceKates

You're right: so maybe he, personally, shouldn't bring it up. Look, no matter what Howard Dean is saying right now, I think the American people understand that McCain can't just wave his hand and stop negative attacks from happening, nor more than Obama could do the same with his followers. I actually do think, then, that's possible for McCain to stay above the fray, so to speak, and let lower-level organizations and 527's work the dirty stuff.

I don't intend to dismiss McCain's frequent disrespect of his own party; he was far from my first choice and I was profoundly unhappy to see him rise to the nomination. But I'll tell you this: now that the deal is done, it is far, far, far, far more important to me to see the Democrats tank. I'm gonna run with the candidate I've got. And I genuinely do believe that McCain's appeal to independents is going to be an important asset once the Democrats select their nominee and leave tons of disaffected Hillary supporters (most likely) in their wake.

285 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:57:25am

re: #276 incanus

BTW does that claptrap remind you of anything?
Does me.

286 jcm  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:57:49am

re: #278 BabbaZee

I am telling you I had no idea how deep this crap was
Flies could land in my mouth right now

Good work Babba, I marking all this carp you're digging up for further study.

I knew it was bad, but this is just astounding. I glad where I am is not affected by this. (yet)

287 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:59:39am


according to this Gorey Pamphlet of Stan

This is where Pelosi is getting that crap form

no doubt


AGGH the pamphlet quotes Wright's Mentor CONE on page 81

288 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:00:27pm

re: #286 jcm

Good work Babba, I marking all this carp you're digging up for further study.

I knew it was bad, but this is just astounding. I glad where I am is not affected by this. (yet)

I am going off on this one now
maybe in about a week I'll do a spleen post on it

UNREAL

and when I start playing six degrees of separation....

289 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:03:16pm

re: #279 song_and_dance_man

First off, I wouldn't call McCain a traitor even if he sides with leftist ideas from time to time.

I'm sorry, I wasn't intending to suggest that we SHOULD call him a traitor. I was pointing out that he is only called a maverick because he sides WITH the Democrats, as compared to the MSM calling Zell Miller a traitor because he sided with the Republicans.

As for Lieberman, If I remember what was said correctly, what got the Dems to boot him was saying that ripping on the president at a time of war was harmful to the United States. That didn't, to me, imply that he was strong on the war on terror, just that he understood that we ought not trash the president regarding the war on terror while we're fighting the war on terror.

I do hold that he is MUCH stronger than the rest of the dems.

Regardless, his 'more hawkish than the dems' stance on the WOT does not outweight the REST of his liberal nature, and I would not support him for VP.

290 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:04:27pm

Given that NC has not yet had our primary (May 6th) , I wonder if McCain would have had the arrogant cajones to try to tell us what to do if he hadn't already wrapped up the Republican nomination...

291 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:05:38pm

re: #284 mcg

I'm an independent. He doesn't appeal to me.

I'm a conservative.

His appeal is to liberals... which is why many conservatives have stopped associating with the RNC.

They keep pushing liberals for the sake of snatching 'conservative democrats' away from the DNC, all the while giving Conservatives the finger.

The only time the RNC addresses conservatives is to attack them for not wanting to vote for whatever drivel they put up.

The RNC panders to liberals, they chastize and guilt conservatives for not liking the pandering to liberals.

292 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:06:31pm

re: #290 christheprofessor

Seems to be the only time he shows any aggression..... when he's trying to boss around conservatives.

293 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:08:05pm

The Lord sho' do work in mysterious ways mah pipples.

I now understand a buttload of what recently happened that I did not understand only an hour ago.

Praise the Name.

Still and forever refusing to lay under the bus,
this is
WLGF
signing out

294 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:08:30pm

re: #292 LanceKates

Seems to be the only time he shows any aggression..... when he's trying to boss around conservatives.

Seems like that.

That said, I'll have to hold my nose come November...

Off to the dog park!

295 JHW  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:09:25pm

re: #288 BabbaZee

Babba if you`ve got a dollar or two to spare, I think it would be very interesting for you to check out this book.
In a Dark Wood by Alston Chase
I started reading it because of my involvement in the woods, spotted owl debate, etc., but the book is much more than that. It goes directly into the philosophical and quasi-religious underpinnings of the environmental movement, addressing the points you raise, and it`s beautifully written too. He also wrote "Playing God in Yellowstone" after the fires that burnt up a great deal of the park.

296 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:11:07pm

re: #294 christheprofessor

Seems like that.

That said, I'll have to hold my nose come November...

Off to the dog park!

I think he'll win Oklahoma, hands down.

That's making it VERY tempting to vote third party, and letting the RNC know about it.

297 mcg  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:12:03pm

re: #291 LanceKates

I certainly understand where you're coming from, Lance---I'm just not of the opinion that protest votes (or non-votes) are productive; and at this stage, at the presidential level, it could be quite counter-productive. I think the Republican Party has to be transformed from the bottom up. For instance, I've been pleased with the work RedState does to promote conservative congressional candidates---even to the point of going against the party's preferred candidate.

But regardless of our disagreements, I think we might agree: kudos to the NC GOP for not caving to the panderers at the national level.

298 so.cal.swede  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:12:25pm

Easy: John McCain wants to give the perception he's running a clean campaign. But he also knows that the people in NC is not going to listen to him. He gets the best of two worlds:

- He is percieved as wanting to play fair and clean.
- The NC Republicans run a hit piece against Obama.

299 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:12:36pm
300 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:14:20pm

re: #297 mcg

I think the RNC does not want to change.

They had a call center that was reporting that donations were WAY down. When the management asked what the problem was, the employees at the call center reported that many of the former donators were no longer donating because the RNC was moving to the left.

The RNC's response was to fire the call center employees.

I push for the most conservative people every time the RNC wants to put people up.

If they, instead, pick the most liberal, it is not my fault if they lose.

We do agree though, MAJOR points to the NC GOP for giving the RNC (and McCain) the finger.

301 hermeneutics  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:14:25pm

re: #287 BabbaZee

babbazee,

Protestant Christianity (as well as Catholicism) split between the evangelical wing and the liberal wing in the 1970s, actually earlier.

Within the lib wing of Christianity, the sort of rhetoric that you just detailed prevails. It is truly weird, and getting weirder. But few listen. The WCC and the NCC had clout, even as late as the 1980s, but now their words fall on deaf ears. They represent the out-of-touch leadership of out-of-touch denominations. Only the sizeable evangelical enclaves in the lib denominations are growing, and these enclaves choose to ignore the pronoucements from above and concentrate on the historic nature of their churches.

The conservative wing, strangely, has no leadership on a national level, or on a state or local level. Certain churches are big, some mega, but no one has, or will, rise to the level of evangelical spokesperson. The media tried to tag Robertson and Falwell in the 1980s/1990s, but few evangelicals cared. They were purely a media creation. Focus on the Family's Dobson could at least claim identity within the churches, but, again, few heard his political pronouncements. When Moral Majority and then Ralph Reed's organization tried to organize evangelicals into blocs -- they discovered that organizing evangeliclas was like herding cats. They did succeed, however, in bringing evangelicals into voting booths in greater numbers than in the 1960s and 1970s. Religious conservatives vote. Reliably. And they vote Republican.

I guess I'm trying to say, Babbazee, that you'll be able to find all sorts of weirdo pronouncements coming from lefty seminaries, the NCC/WCC and oldline denominational leadership ... and none of it matters. The number of people who listen to this stuff has been decreasing, slowly, to insignificance. Their failing churches make sense, after all: Why attend church when a country club membership will better serve your needs? Why attend church when protesting in pink is a lot more fun and cuts to the chase?

These churches deserve to wither. Soon. And they are.

302 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:15:17pm

re: #228 BabbaZee

Ecotheology!

Unholy crap.

Garbage.

303 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:15:43pm

re: #299 song_and_dance_man

OK, I will retract his name from the MCain/? list. For now.

lol.. never stop holding on to your beliefs just because someone else doesn't like it! You want Lieberman, go for it! heh.

As I said, I'm thinking he'll go for Romney or Huckabee, or another republican governor from a state he might not otherwise win.

I'd prefer he goes with Duncan Hunter, but I'm a kook. heh.

304 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:16:21pm
305 Silhouette  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:16:21pm

re: #300 LanceKates

When the management asked what the problem was, the employees at the call center reported that many of the former donators were no longer donating because the RNC was moving to the left.

I told that exact reason to the GOP people who called me for money. No dollars when they're nominating someone like McCain.

306 mcg  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:17:12pm

re: #296 LanceKates

Now that's a good idea, actually, Lance. I mean, if you're in a truly safe state with winner-take-all electors, then a third-party vote isn't going to hurt. I guess it's the battleground states where third-party activity can be counterproductive.

I wonder if it could be scaled up. For instance, suppose a conservative third party coordinated their voting efforts in some way so that a fraction of their supporters in each state voted for their conservative candidate. That fraction would be determined on a state-by-state basis to insure that the numbers wouldn't tip the election to the Democrats---while sending the message that the party's supporters are far larger than the votes cast suggest.

307 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:19:24pm

re: #304 song_and_dance_man

Now, I KNOW, as I type this, that I'm going to catch hell....

Voting for someone because they're Jewish is, to me, as iffy as voting for someone because they're Christian or Black or from the moon.

Policy ought to trump everything else. Preferably conservative policy... heh.

308 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:19:57pm

re: #305 Silhouette

I told that exact reason to the GOP people who called me for money. No dollars when they're nominating someone like McCain.

As did I. I did apologize before (and after) my rant... as the movement of the RNC is not the fault of the person calling me on the phone for money.

309 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:21:29pm

re: #306 mcg

I don't know how coordinated it would be, but I plan on voting for the most conservative fellow I can find that's on the ballot (as I'm not sure of the 'write in' process on the Oklahoma ballot) and then I'm going to send the information along to the RNC.

I'm sure they'll throw it away and consider me a kook, but maybe if we got a decent number of people who used to donate to send in such a letter... MAYBE they'd think about it.

(I'm doubtful though.)

310 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:21:55pm
311 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:23:22pm

re: #310 song_and_dance_man

how should that make me feel?

;)

312 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:23:26pm

re: #301 hermeneutics

These churches deserve to wither. Soon. And they are.



They are ?

In the world I am observing
all the various strains of Stan sponsored Hooplbabble idol worship
of the cults of Churchianity and Shuliasm
are AMPING UP
at a pace that is giving me whiplash

This includes Obammuism and the Gorey Cult of the Gaiassiah

Which world are you observing?

I can not stay,
I am not ignoring any posts if I do not answer

BBL

313 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:24:33pm

re: #301 hermeneutics

HYPOCRITES !

314 Silhouette  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:25:47pm

re: #307 LanceKates

Christianity is a belief, not a skin color or a gender, etc. It is perfectly acceptable to vote for someone because you agree with their beliefs. Or at least to take it into account along with other factors. Ditto when we're talking about Judaism as a belief.

315 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:26:31pm
316 hermeneutics  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:27:47pm

Mainline Churches: The Real Reason for Decline
by Benton Johnson, Dean R. Hoge & Donald A. Luidens
Copyright (c) 1993 First Things (March 1993).

"America’s so-called mainline Protestant churches aren’t what they used to be. For generations on end, the Methodists, Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Episcopalians, and kindred denominations reported net annual membership gains. As recently as the 1950s their growth rate equaled or exceeded that of the United States as a whole.
But in the early 1960s their growth slowed down, and after the middle of the decade they had begun to lose members. With very few exceptions, the decline has continued to this date. Never before had any large religious body in this country lost members steadily for so many years. By 1990 these denominations had lost between one-fifth and one-third of the membership they claimed in 1965 and the proportion of Americans affiliated with them had reached a twentieth-century low."

317 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:27:49pm

re: #314 Silhouette

Yeah, but there are some VERY liberal christians.

If there is a liberal christian running against a conservative atheist, I vote athiest.

318 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:28:24pm
319 hermeneutics  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:32:31pm

re: #317 LanceKates

I would vote for the conservative, too.

I think conservatism is a frame of mind -- a lens through which we look at everything. Anyone who is politically conservative has a lens grounded to a similar specification as my own. Not alike. But similar.

I think mcCain is a life-long liberal Christian who has morphed, slowly, to the right ... theologically. He has been attending a large conservative church in Phoenix, I've been told. His kids went to the Catholic boys/girls schools becuase they are simply the best schools around -- I thought about sending my kids there but decided, later, to hire tutors. All in all, his a lib Episcopalian morphing into a Southern Baptist. Somewhere inbetween.

320 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:33:49pm
321 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:35:41pm

re: #277 BabbaZee

Pretending to be Christianity.



The Laodicean Lie

You can be sure God has a people for Himself in these final days, but they are a despised, holy and separated remnant. This holy remnant people walk in the light and enjoy great discernment. They see the modern Laodicean church through the eyes of Jesus and they will not be deceived by the pomp, bigness and outward grandeur of popular religion. The true church is invisible; it is repentant; it yearns for the return of Christ, the beloved One.

It's when you're persecuted that you know you're doing the right thing.

322 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:35:53pm

re: #320 song_and_dance_man

Hope for the world is not where mine rests.

thankfully.

323 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:36:42pm

better you study the Word of the Word than the Word of the ~isms

Only came back to tell
SONG something:

Dig:
This Word just now dropped into my head:
ASHERAH


n the Ugaritic texts (before 1200 BC) Athirat is three times called %u02BCa%u1E6Frt ym, %u02BCA%u1E6Firat yammi, 'Athirat of the Sea' or as more fully translated 'She who treads on the sea', the name understood by various translators and commentators to be from the Ugaritic root %u02BCa%u1E6Fr 'stride' cognate with the Hebrew root %u02BC%u0161r of the same meaning

324 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:36:58pm

re: #319 hermeneutics

I find that one's perception of Christ greatly determines what political side one is on.

I've yet to find a strong conservative who believes that Jesus was a flower-child Pacifist.

I haven't, also, found a liberal christian who believed that Jesus showed any emotion OTHER than that of a flower-child Pacifist.

325 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:37:41pm

re: #321 Ward Cleaver

The problem is that some people see consequences for evil actions as 'persecution' and are strengthened in their evil actions.

326 abu_garcia  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:39:36pm

I'm late to the game and this comment may be out of left field, but to paraphrase Thomas Sowell; Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are about the only people who could make me vote for John McCain. I will vote for him, but that doesn't mean he's not an idiot, he's just less of an idiot than Hillary or Obama.

327 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:40:47pm
DontTread 4/24/08 11:31:32 am 0
It is time now for 527s to run ads on Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, etc. Reason: To make Clinton vs. Obama go on as long as possible. We want it to go all the way to the convention, and the fight over Michigan and Florida. If you know a 527, or can start one, go to it!

Maybe the best outcome is to have Obama supporters think the nomination was stolen from him, while the rest of the party is convinced Wright etc. will sink him in the general election.

But, at least now, it probably shouldn't be McCain doing it. Let him keep out of this as long as he can.

I agree. But the RNC and McCain now just need to let it go, and drink a nice cup of STFU for a while, and let Hillary and Obama develop more hostility to each other among their followers.

328 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:44:45pm
329 Sacred Plants  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:50:23pm

Why isn´t there a campaign ad with the gum-chewing Palestinian?

330 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:51:16pm
331 jcm  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:55:14pm

re: #312 BabbaZee

They are ?

In the world I am observing
all the various strains of Stan sponsored Hooplbabble idol worship
of the cults of Churchianity and Shuliasm
are AMPING UP
at a pace that is giving me whiplash

This includes Obammuism and the Gorey Cult of the Gaiassiah

Which world are you observing?

I can not stay,
I am not ignoring any posts if I do not answer

BBL

The winnowing of the wheat and tares. The wheat seeks to grow in truth and light, the tares are content with what is feed them without consideration.

332 LanceKates  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 1:02:03pm

re: #331 jcm

The winnowing of the wheat and tares. The wheat seeks to grow in truth and light, the tares are content with what is feed them without consideration.

And one will be burned in fire.

333 incanus  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 1:24:42pm

re: #285 BabbaZee

BTW does that claptrap remind you of anything?
Does me.

I made an editorial comment in the quote =)

334 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 1:33:23pm

MICAH 3


1 Then I said,
"Listen, you leaders of Jacob,
you rulers of the house of Israel.
Should you not know justice,

2 you who hate good and love evil;
who tear the skin from my people
and the flesh from their bones;

3 who eat my people's flesh,
strip off their skin
and break their bones in pieces;
who chop them up like meat for the pan,
like flesh for the pot?"

4 Then they will cry out to the LORD,
but he will not answer them.
At that time he will hide his face from them
because of the evil they have done.

5 This is what the LORD says:
"As for the prophets
who lead my people astray,
if one feeds them,
they proclaim 'peace';
if he does not,
they prepare to wage war against him.

6 Therefore night will come over you, without visions,
and darkness, without divination.
The sun will set for the prophets,
and the day will go dark for them.

7 The seers will be ashamed
and the diviners disgraced.
They will all cover their faces
because there is no answer from God."

8 But as for me, I am filled with power,
with the Spirit of the LORD,
and with justice and might,
to declare to Jacob his transgression,
to Israel his sin.

9 Hear this, you leaders of the house of Jacob,
you rulers of the house of Israel,
who despise justice
and distort all that is right;

10 who build Zion with bloodshed,
and Jerusalem with wickedness.

11 Her leaders judge for a bribe,
her priests teach for a price,
and her prophets tell fortunes for money.
Yet they lean upon the LORD and say,
"Is not the LORD among us?
No disaster will come upon us."

12 Therefore because of you,
Zion will be plowed like a field,
Jerusalem will become a heap of rubble,
the temple hill a mound overgrown with thickets.


335 rorschach  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 1:35:01pm

As you all know, Mac has cavorted with the libs repeatedly over the years.

However, it's his recent policies on "climate change" that have convinced me that John McCain is not a smart man.

336 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 1:38:13pm

re: #331 jcm

The winnowing of the wheat and tares. The wheat seeks to grow in truth and light, the tares are content with what is feed them without consideration.

Quite correct.

BTW thank you to everyone on the thread

BBL

337 olga  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 1:51:45pm

Has anyone heard? Fox radio news has just announced that NC Republicians have agreed to take down this ad.

338 SouthAmericanWay  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 1:59:13pm

re: #4 maddogg

McCaine is fine with the ad. He just doesn't want the Dems to be able to associate it with him. But they will anyway.

I am not sure they will with the same intensity as if it were his personal add... You are correct, though, that is his strategy - as Mary Matalin explained yesterday in H&C - and it is the only safe one for him and for the RNC: they are able to keep "above the fray" (in a certain way), while others are able to put these ads forward in a decentralized effort in all levels.

339 Charles the Hammer  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 2:07:47pm

Don't know if anyone else has said this, but I heard on Medved that these ads weren't even about Obama, but two local, state elections where the candidates targeted are white and don't go, obviously, to Obama's church. If true, I would agree - these need to be pulled, immediately (as they have been).

the sinner,

Charles

340 FoolsMate  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 2:25:58pm

Up on NRO, there is a method to McCain's madness on no-negative campaigning.

341 USS Ben  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 2:32:24pm

Wat to fire up the base, John!
Geez, I hope he doesn't pull this during the general election.

342 USS Ben  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 2:33:26pm

re: #341 USS Ben

Way...wot? Not sure what wat is.

343 alegrias  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 2:33:43pm

Up at the Weekly Standard, The Left Asks: Is America worthy of Barack Obama

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

344 alegrias  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 2:35:12pm

re: #341 USS Ben

Wat to fire up the base, John!
Geez, I hope he doesn't pull this during the general election.

* * *
It's independents & hawkish bitter democrats whose votes we need.

If the "base" isn't fired up, they're not paying attention!

345 alegrias  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 2:40:47pm

re: #335 rorschach

As you all know, Mac has cavorted with the libs repeatedly over the years.

However, it's his recent policies on "climate change" that have convinced me that John McCain is not a smart man.

* * *
Spare me your uber-smart "nuclear engineering" whizzes like Jimmy Carter as President!

There's plenty of voters who ONLY care about GAIA/earth issues, not whether Western Civilized folks will protect the Earth as opposed to totalitarians who generally trash their environment. That's why Teddy Roosevelt & Richard Nixon cared about establishing parks and establishing the Environmental Protection Agency.

Let's point out how foully polluted China and the USSR and other "workers paradises" are, as opposed to the US--totalitarians don't give a hoot, they pollute!

346 flexthink  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 2:42:45pm

I really like McCain, but disagree with him STRONGLY on this one. This ad should be shown all over U.S. because it is very much what the presidential race is about and raises important questions. You are right - does he want to win or what?!?

347 USS Ben  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 2:43:30pm

re: #344 alegrias

Well, that's true. I reckon conservatives aren't his base...we're the fringe.
But, if he doesn't manage to fire up his fringe voters during the general election, that could prove to be a repeat of Dole/Kemp, thus snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
This election is his to lose.

348 olga  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 2:47:47pm

Hot Air has a report that the ad being pulled was a rumor. Ms. Daves says the ad still goes on...next Monday.

349 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 2:52:28pm

re: #339 Charles the Hammer

Don't know if anyone else has said this, but I heard on Medved that these ads weren't even about Obama, but two local, state elections where the candidates targeted are white and don't go, obviously, to Obama's church. If true, I would agree - these need to be pulled, immediately (as they have been).

the sinner,

Charles

It's about two candidates who endorsed Obama. The judgment of those two candidates is being criticized (wrightly so, IMHO.)

350 mountain  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 3:25:46pm

Using Wright in an ad for a couple of state pols is just a waste. Save them for the presidential election.

351 Charles  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 3:51:53pm

Those who think McCain is just holding back and will use Rev. Wright and the other issues around Obama's associations with radicals later in the campaign are missing the point.

By coming out and declaring that these kinds of ads are "unethical" (they're not) McCain has effectively prevented himself from using these associations. If he starts running ads about Rev. Wright, he'll be accused of hypocrisy -- and the accusation will be correct.

He's not going to do it.

352 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 3:56:13pm
353 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 4:03:26pm

Maybe McCain is just keeping Obama on his feet for awhile.

Weeble's wobble and then they deflate.

354 conservgirl  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 4:14:31pm

re: #351 Charles

I agree and I think it is a legitimate issue, what's unethical about it?

I liked that the RNC chairlady had a lot of moxie today and batted down the race card accusation straight away. That is how McCain should fight it and use the Wright issue. I like how Nora O'Donnell asked the NC chairlady if she is a Republican. The same should be asked of McCain.

355 Colonel Panik  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 4:22:29pm

re: #340 FoolsMate

Up on NRO, there is a method to McCain's madness on no-negative campaigning.

Let's (dare I say it?) HOPE so!

356 Colonel Panik  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 4:29:13pm

re: #304 song_and_dance_man

Lance

I was thinking about keeping Cackle or B. Hussein out of the Oval Office.

Joe, even in spite of his leftist leanings, would take a good chunk out of the (D) vote. Plus, even though he is a lefty, is a fellow Jew. I know, that sometimes means nothing when playing politics.

Joe needs to have a "Come to Jesus Moses" moment re: the Second Amendment.

Too bad Chuck Heston has passed away.

357 gunjam  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 4:50:23pm

re: #351 Charles

Those who think McCain is just holding back and will use Rev. Wright and the other issues around Obama's associations with radicals later in the campaign are missing the point.

By coming out and declaring that these kinds of ads are "unethical" (they're not) McCain has effectively prevented himself from using these associations. If he starts running ads about Rev. Wright, he'll be accused of hypocrisy -- and the accusation will be correct.

He's not going to do it.

Then....., he's likely toast.

358 PurpleHaze  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 4:51:51pm

I don't know what's wrong with McCain. The only reason I'll vote for him is to keep the other two bigger idiots out of the White House.

359 tex68  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 5:00:17pm

Dear John,
...and you wonder why most conservatives have a problem with you. Get a clue old man and grow a backbone because when the 527's on the Democrat side hit you, what are ya going to say then?

360 beachkatie  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 5:01:25pm

re: #112 song_and_dance_man

bad code pink

THat really gross me ouT! :(

361 tex68  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 5:03:25pm

One other thing...John you should have just kept your mouth shut...that was your best defense.

362 mountain  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 5:12:50pm

McCain had made it pretty clear even before this that he wasn't going to use Wright against Obama. It doesn't seem necessary to me to distance himself like that, but it doesn't seem like a problem either. Wright and his church have gotten plenty of exposure already, and they'll get plenty more when 527's on the Republican side roll out. The media will ask McCain about the ads and he'll say he's already against them and the ads will play anyway just like in NC. But yeah, there's nothing really gained in not using Wright against Obama, maybe it will draw some independents towards McCain but doubtful enough to be significant.

363 AZfederalist  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 5:19:54pm

... Well, this is helpful

McCain disses own party [again]

No, he's not running or condoning attack ads against democrats His own party, that's a different story.

/You know John, the only reason you are going to get my vote is because the opposition is just that much worse than you are. You are no prize yourself however

364 markx  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 5:33:35pm

re: #361 tex68

One other thing...John you should have just kept your mouth shut...that was your best defense.

McNutt is really, really depressing me.

You remind me of a favorite quote.

I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't have the ability.
~Ron White

365 uptight  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 5:41:07pm

This is a contest between three liberals - two of them are fighting tooth and nail for Democratic nomination, the other has secured the Republican nomination.

I've read comments from angry supporters of both Clinton and Obama saying that they would vote McCain if their own candidate loses. They justify this on the grounds that McCain is bi-partisan and doesn't use negative campaigning.

McCain (rightly) fears that he is not popular enough with real Republicans to win the presidency, so he is hoping that, by being a liberal and refusing to criticise either Obama or Clinton, he will pick up enough crossover protest votes.

Fine - sneaky maybe, definitely frustrating though. So whilst McCain preens his own image and minimises criticism of him, it's up to Republican blogs, talk shows and local leadership to do his dirty work.

God, I hate McCain. Hoe can anyone respect that vain, sneaky Judas?

I honestly prefer Clinton.

Anyone, I suppose, except Obama will do, but I wish the Repubs had someone else.

366 AZfederalist  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 5:43:21pm

re: #365 uptight


I honestly prefer Clinton.

Clinton's stand on gun control makes her more dangerous than McCain. That and her stalinist tactics.

367 hermeneutics  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 5:48:52pm

re: #351 Charles

The point, dear uberlizard Charles, is not that McCain is prevented from using the ads again, but that he's able to dissociate himself from these particular ads while allowing his proxies to do this dirty work for him. He looks "presidential" while the Dems quabble.

I think his tactic is smart, frankly.

Perhaps you're right, though, that he can't use Wright in an ad campaign. He can still mention him in passing or directly in a speech. He can allude, cleverly.

This is a dead thread. No one will read this. I guess I'll move upblog.

368 mountain  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 5:50:35pm

Why shouldn't McCain go after independent and democrat votes? A quick look around around right leaning blogs and it's all anti-McCain all the time. The only thing more tiresome than McCains maverick schtick is the predictable posts and comments of conservative blogs, "McCain stabbed us in the back so now we're returning the favor" etc. It's all boring as hell and doesn't accomplish anything.

369 AZfederalist  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 6:00:31pm

re: #368 mountain

Why shouldn't McCain go after independent and democrat votes?



Nothing wrong with that at all, unless he goes after those votes by becoming one of them and accepting their premises as his own. Which he is doing. So, if he is espousing the same opinions as Hillary or Barrack and proposing pretty much the same solutions, maybe you, being so bored with the right wing blogs' positions can enlighten us as to why dems and independents will want to vote for a fake democrat when they can vote hillary or barrack and get the real thing?

370 mountain  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 6:12:15pm

re: #369 AZfederalist

maybe you, being so bored with the right wing blogs' positions can enlighten us as to why dems and independents will want to vote for a fake democrat when they can vote hillary or barrack and get the real thing?

Where did i say they would vote for him? I'm just pointing out that it's obvious a large number of people who would normally vote Republican are'nt going to do so because it's McCain, and it's hypocritical for those people who have made it clear ad nauseam that they're not going to vote for McCain to turn around and complain about McCain looking for votes somewhere else. And yeah, the "i hate McCain more than you do" meme on conservative blogs is predictable and boring.

371 kansas  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 7:37:26pm

If McCain wants the ad down then it makes him look weak they won't take it down. Is the ad accurate or not? Looks pretty accurate to me. Didn't McCain whine about the Swift Boat Ads? They were accurate.

372 ethanxxx  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 10:42:22pm

My vote is John McCain's to lose. He's lucky that he's getting it... I'm not his biggest fan. And "YES" Kansas, he did make negative comments about the Swift Boat ads... and I started losing respect for him for it. McCain is running the risk of turning a lot of us NC voters off.

373 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 11:20:50pm

re: #365 uptight

Wow, I never thought I'd say this, but I, too, have been wondering if Hillary is better than McCain. I'll have to think about that some more.


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