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Michelle Obama's Name Removed from Terrorist Fundraiser's Web Page - Update: Terror Fundraiser's Page Disappears!

Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 6:52:41 am PDT

Curiouser and curiouser.

As we noted a few days ago, Hatem El-Hady, former chairman of the Toledo-based Islamic charity Kindhearts (closed by the US government in 2006 for terrorist fundraising), has now devoted himself to raising money for the Barack Obama campaign.

He has a web page at the official Obama campaign site. On Wednesday when we posted about El-Hady, there were three “friends” listed on his page, and one of them was none other than Barack Obama’s wife, Michelle Obama. Here’s the screenshot we took:

But this morning, there are suddenly only two friends listed on that page. Guess whose name disappeared?

There’s a lot of talk about William Ayers and his connections to Obama, but please note that in El-Hady we have someone who is apparently connected with Hamas—not decades ago, but as recently as 2006. Here’s our post at the time, including a press release from the Justice Department detailing the Hamas connections of El-Hady’s organization, Kindhearts for Charitable Human Development: ’Kind Hearts for Charitable Human Development’ = Hamas.

And now the Obama campaign has silently removed Michelle Obama’s name from El-Hady’s page, thinking no one would notice—and probably hoping against hope that the story won’t get picked up by the media.

(Hat tip: TheMadKing.)

UPDATE at 4/25/08 7:39:22 am:

And now, El-Hady’s entire page has disappeared:

Change!

For more details, see:
Clarification: Michelle Obama’s Terrorist Fundraiser ‘Friend’

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1 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 6:54:01am
And now the Obama campaign has silently removed Michelle Obama’s name from El-Hady’s page, thinking no one would notice—and probably hoping against hope that the story won’t get picked up by the media.


No such luck, Barry.

2 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 6:54:13am

They must think we're stupid.

3 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 6:54:54am

Down the memory hole we gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...........

4 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 6:55:26am

To be honest, I expected the whole page to have vanished by now.

5 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 6:56:51am

Hillary's taking notes from LGF. I think her Lizard nickname must be Vampira or Dragon Lady.

6 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 6:57:11am

Charles, it's not the only whitewashing (is that racist to use "whitewashing"?) going on around Obama. RezkoWatch has been keeping track of some whitewashing that's being going on surrounding Nadhmi Auchi and his connections to Rezko and Obama.

7 philipp  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 6:57:43am

That's what they do all the time ... "thinking no one would notice" all those little details creeping out.

8 Fasternu426  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 6:59:06am

So calling him Osama isn't too far from the truth, eh?

9 Fasternu426  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:00:09am

When they do anything that isn't scripted, it bites them in the ass...

10 EC Marm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:00:13am

Winston Smith lives on.

11 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:00:13am

To late, it got noticed...But thanks for playing!

12 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:01:43am

I remarked the other day Obama's red diaper baby webmaster would be doing lots of scrubbing.

No surprise.

Still, it's very mean to point this out.

13 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:02:07am
14 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:02:15am

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

I remarked the other day Obama's red diaper baby webmaster would be doing lots of scrubbing.

No surprise.

Still, it's very mean to point this out.

Jammie!

Long time no chat.

Hope all is well with you and yours!

15 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:02:49am

re: #2 MandyManners

They must think we're stupid.


You got 'em figured right Mandy. They think out here in the hinterland we are all knuckle dragging troglodytes. The great unwashed etc., you know the drill.

16 laZardo  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:03:24am

It won't get picked up by the media.

Then again, fewer people are trusting the media anyway.

17 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:03:34am

re: #2 MandyManners

They must think we're stupid.

stupid....bitter....mean.

18 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:03:52am

re: #14 loppyd

Jammie!

Long time no chat.

Hope all is well with you and yours!

Everything's fine. My wife had her three-month checkup today. It's all good news.

19 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:04:43am

re: #2 MandyManners

They must think we're stupid.

Given the Obamanation hasn't left the Presidential race in disgrace over the revelations of the past few months, yes, they do think we're stupid or very gullible.
I wonder how many Obama voters fall for 419 scams (Nigerian email scam)?

20 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:05:10am

re: #19 Kosh's Shadow

Given the Obamanation hasn't left the Presidential race in disgrace over the revelations of the past few months, yes, they do think we're stupid or very gullible.
I wonder how many Obama voters fall for 419 scams (Nigerian email scam)?

It's a scam? Just kidding.

21 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:05:36am

re: #15 HDrepub

You got 'em figured right Mandy. They think out here in the hinterland we are all knuckle dragging troglodytes. The great unwashed etc., you know the drill.

Of course we're unwashed. We don't wanna' get our guns and Bibles wet.

22 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:05:58am

re: #17 loppyd

stupid....bitter....mean.

WAB still is clueless.

23 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:06:09am

re: #21 MandyManners

Of course we're unwashed. We don't wanna' get our guns and Bibles wet.

Anyway it ain't saturday yet!

24 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:06:26am

re: #17 loppyd

stupid....bitter....mean...clingy...

25 trailortrash  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:06:52am

re: #4 Fat Jolly Penguin

To be honest, I expected the whole page to have vanished by now.

same here

26 StinkHammer  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:07:02am
[T]he Obama campaign has silently removed Michelle Obama’s name from El-Hady’s page, thinking no one would notice—and probably hoping against hope that the story won’t get picked up by the media.

The (dominant) media isn't interested in highlighting factoids that show their chosen candidate in a negative light -- why should they start with this one?

I don't think the Obamites have much to be concerned about.

27 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:07:33am

re: #19 Kosh's Shadow

Given the Obamanation hasn't left the Presidential race in disgrace over the revelations of the past few months, yes, they do think we're stupid or very gullible.
I wonder how many Obama voters fall for 419 scams (Nigerian email scam)?

I wonder how much money they've pissed away.

28 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:07:55am

re: #23 Nevergiveup

Anyway it ain't saturday yet!

You get yours on a Saturday? I get mine on a Wednesday.

29 Diamond Bullet  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:07:56am

He also lost a bunch of Obama "points" - whatever the hell those are (my guess: number of pro-America capitalists you've earmarked in your area for eventual Obamafication camps).

30 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:08:27am

Actually, removing Michelle's name from his "friends" list is supposed to make us think there isn't a link between Hamas and Obsama?
Hatem's page is still on the Obsama web site!
But then, we know Obsama hates'em. I mean, hates us.

31 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:09:59am

Awww, Hate'em McHatey lost a fwiend...

:(

32 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:10:02am

re: #27 MandyManners

I wonder how much money they've pissed away.

I look at it as an investment for the Republicans. The longer Obama runs, the more revelations of his past we get, the better Johnny Mack looks to everyone else.

33 JamesTKirk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:10:33am

re: #19 Kosh's Shadow

Hello Kosh!

34 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:10:47am

re: #28 MandyManners


re: #23 Nevergiveup

Anyway it ain't saturday yet!

You get yours on a Saturday? I get mine on a Wednesday.

Springtime, time to bathe and change underwear. Heh.

35 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:11:13am

Does that website operate anything like MySpace, where Tom is automatically your first friend?

36 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:11:17am

re: #12 JammieWearingFool


Mean people like suck or something.

37 _remembertonyc  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:12:44am

Amateurs

38 trailortrash  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:13:24am

is the page itself gone now? i cant get to it...

39 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:13:29am

It just occured to me. Didn't Mayor Bloomberg basically convict these 3 Cops the day after the Shooting? Thank G-D that bum changed parties.

40 Sgt.Slappy  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:13:54am

Michelle will take her waffles with peanut butter and warm syrup. Just don't you bother her while she's eatin'.

41 zmdavid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:13:56am

Any chance John McCain will condemn LGF for this?

42 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:15:28am

re: #32 Golem Akbar

I look at it as an investment for the Republicans. The longer Obama runs, the more revelations of his past we get, the better Johnny Mack looks to everyone else.

I'm gonna' look for a McCain bumper sticker soon.

43 4wheel  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:15:46am

The Obama's are fooling so many people, or, So many people are fools.

44 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:15:59am

re: #34 HDrepub

Springtime, time to bathe and change underwear. Heh.

Even if you don't need to!

45 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:16:04am

Proving once again - Charles, you da' man!

46 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:16:09am

re: #32 Golem Akbar

I look at it as an investment for the Republicans. The longer Obama runs, the more revelations of his past we get, the better Johnny Mack looks to everyone else.

What I find interesting as a resident of Illinois, with all these revelations about Obama and his connections, is how many of our own politicians in this state are caught up in the same shit. It's amazing to read the names of people mentioned in the Rezko trial. It's a veritable who's who of Illinois politics from Obama to Blagojevich to Cellini to Vrdolyak, and their connections to outside players like Auchi.

WTF is going on in my effin state!?!

47 FightingBack  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:16:28am
... the story won’t get picked up by the media.

Media? We don't need no stinkin'...

48 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:16:54am

Hatem El-Hady.

LOL!

Mel Brooks couldn't have made up a funnier name

49 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:16:54am

re: #38 trailortrash

is the page itself gone now? i cant get to it...

Profile Not Found
The Profile URL you have entered does not exist.

Trying using our Profile search tool to find what you're looking for! Click Here

50 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:18:03am
Hatem El-Hady.

Achmed Al-Kilya could not be reached for comment

51 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:18:16am

re: #47 FightingBack

Media? We don't need no stinkin'...

As my daddy useta' tell me about looking for a job, if you throw enough shit at the wall, some is bound to stick.

52 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:18:35am
53 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:18:39am

re: #49 MandyManners

Profile Not Found
The Profile URL you have entered does not exist.

Trying using our Profile search tool to find what you're looking for! Click Here

Obama campaign reads LGF.
;)

54 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:19:26am

re: #35 bosforus

Nope. Just debunked that one myself by [shudder] registering at the website. I am currently in 581,257th place. Makes you wonder how he got into the top 7%.

55 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:19:32am

re: #42 MandyManners

I'm gonna' look for a McCain bumper sticker soon.

I hope you have good car insurance. (Lefty creeps like to vandalize stuff that makes them sad.)

56 Bunker Buster  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:19:35am

Ah, the Ministry of Truth hard at work.

57 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:19:39am

Regarding Obama and terrorists, have you seen this yet?

Must Read: Rezko exploited Obama & Illinois pols to raise money to destroy Israel

I'm gobsmacked after reading this article from a Palestinian born Chicago based journalist Ray Hanania. Based on what has so far been released to the public in the corruption trial of Syrian-born Rezko, it appears that Rezko and his circle of Arab born-friends ingraciated themselves to Obama and other Illinois-based politicians.

Their first goal was to place their cronies within the government, so they could use their positions to rob the public and make huge profits. Where did the money go? To support extreme radical Muslim groups sabotage the Israel/Palestine 2-state solution. Why? Because the radical Muslims want only one state...a Palestinian State... and want to see Israel obliterated.

I found it interesting enough to put in the spinoff links.

58 WalterMitty  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:20:04am

re: #42 MandyManners

I'm gonna' look for a McCain bumper sticker soon.

Here ya go:
I Love My Country More Than I Hate John McCain

59 blue_like_jazz  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:20:17am

did they really think that nobody/charles/a lizard wouldn't take a screen shot of that page?


then again, maybe our hands are too full of bibles and guns to type on those tiny keys...

60 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:20:19am
61 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:20:34am

re: #50 BabbaZee

Achmed Al-Kilya could not be reached for comment

What about Megahed? Has he weighed in?

(Didn't CAIR also have a spokesman named "Jihad"? For real?)

62 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:21:04am

re: #48 BabbaZee


Lilly Von Schtupp

63 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:21:07am

re: #42 MandyManners

I'm gonna' look for a McCain bumper sticker soon.

Good move. If Obama is the candidate, McCain will own everything from center-left to the far-right. Of course, never count out the Hildebeast, aka: Vampira, or She-Who-Would-Be-Obeyed.

64 blue_like_jazz  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:21:19am

re: #58 WalterMitty

Here ya go:
I Love My Country More Than I Hate John McCain

that is PERFECT

65 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:21:22am

re: #18 JammieWearingFool Hey Jammie - that's some really GREAT NEWS! Glad to hear it!

66 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:21:34am

re: #33 JamesTKirk

Hello Kosh!

I don't wear cutesy bows, though; and this picture had no shadow.
From the other thread, there also should have been a bottle of fine bravari; Ambassador Mollari's private stock.

67 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:21:53am

So did they airbrush her out?

/ussr

68 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:22:27am

Good Friday morning all.

69 JamesTKirk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:22:27am

re: #66 Kosh's Shadow

I don't wear cutesy bows, though; and this picture had no shadow.
From the other thread, there also should have been a bottle of fine bravari; Ambassador Mollari's private stock.

"Yes."

70 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:22:36am

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

Obama campaign reads LGF.
;)

Who doesn't read LGF?

71 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:22:42am

Doesn't Obama look vaguely constipated in that photo?

72 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:23:30am

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

Obama campaign reads LGF.
;)

Now we can surreptitiously talk to them through LGF.

73 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:23:30am

Airbrushing history...

Where have we seen this before? /

74 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:23:31am

re: #55 Occasional Reader

I hope you have good car insurance. (Lefty creeps like to vandalize stuff that makes them sad.)

2 Bush stickers and 2 Support the Troops ribbons have been ripped off and stolen.

I am still convinced that either moonbat ex-roommate was the culprit of one the Bush stickers.

75 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:23:34am

re: #39 Nevergiveup Yup. Betcha didn't know he was first cousins with John Fucking Murtha, didja?!

76 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:23:36am

re: #55 Occasional Reader

I hope you have good car insurance. (Lefty creeps like to vandalize stuff that makes them sad.)

I live in a fairly rural area where folks are mostly polite 'cause they don't know how large a calibe will be shoved in their faces if they get out of line.

77 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:24:03am

re: #58 WalterMitty

Here ya go:
I Love My Country More Than I Hate John McCain

OK, I could live with that one.

78 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:24:37am

re: #58 WalterMitty

Here ya go:
I Love My Country More Than I Hate John McCain

Well, I don't hate the man. I just miss RUDY! a lot.

79 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:24:37am
80 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:24:45am

re: #71 Occasional Reader

Doesn't Obama look vaguely constipated in that photo?

Heh. Too bad all the caca's in his head, not his rectum.

81 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:25:10am

Charles! I think the profile disappeared! (Either that or the linky broke.)

82 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:25:33am

re: #76 MandyManners

I live in a fairly rural area where folks are mostly polite 'cause they don't know how large a calibe will be shoved in their faces if they get out of line.

Right, but the problem with a bumper sticker is that it flags your car while you're not around to protect it. Here in DC, I am happy to wear any political T-shirt... they have to get in MY face if they want to... but I leave stuff like that off my car, because my car can't protect itself.

83 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:25:43am

re: #18 JammieWearingFool

Everything's fine. My wife had her three-month checkup today. It's all good news.

Great news Jammie. I'm in a hospital waiting room this morning, while June has some tweaking/fine tuning done on last November's breast reconstruction. Thank goodness for free Wi-Fi.

84 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:25:51am

re: #63 Golem Akbar

Good move. If Obama is the candidate, McCain will own everything from center-left to the far-right. Of course, never count out the Hildebeast, aka: Vampira, or She-Who-Would-Be-Obeyed.

More and more people I encounter are voting for McCain, and that includes hard-core Democrats who are scared shitless by both BHO and HRC.

85 zmdavid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:25:52am

re: #66 Kosh's Shadow

re: #69 JamesTKirk

[Link: www.hulu.com...]
What happened to episode #4?

86 queenesther  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:25:54am

Followed link from obama website to muslimsforobama08.com and found some "change we can believe in!"

ISSUES & SOLUTIONS
QUESTION: What are issues and recommendations for solutions that are unique to Muslim Americans?

1. A Law against harrassment of a Muslim women wearing Hijab at the Airport, DMV and other public arenas.

2. Institute a Law to allow Muslim Employees to take a hours off from work for Friday Jummah Prayer.

3. Make the 2 Eid's, recognized National Holidays on Calendars with days off from work.

4. Optional Halal meals in federal buildiings, public schools and colleges.

5. Provide prayer areas suitable for Salah and Jummah, in public and private facilities. (i.e. Malls, Airports, Universities and government buildings.)

6. Organize a Muslim American group to assist in recommendations for US foreign policy affecting majority Muslim countries.

Submit your recommendations

87 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:26:15am

re: #72 bosforus

Now we can surreptitiously talk to them through LGF.


I'm convinced that the Hillary campaign monitors LGF to get to the good stuff on Obama.

88 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:26:47am

re: #71 Occasional Reader

Doesn't Obama look vaguely constipated in that photo?

It's the feeling of having Soros' hand shoved up his butt.

89 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:26:49am

re: #71 Occasional Reader

Doesn't Obama look vaguely constipated in that photo?

/he makes manure taste good

90 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:26:51am

re: #78 MandyManners

Well, I don't hate the man. I just miss RUDY! a lot.


Here here!

91 JamesTKirk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:27:00am

re: #85 zmdavid

re: #69 JamesTKirk

[Link: www.hulu.com...]
What happened to episode #4?

It went the way of Grey 17.

92 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:27:17am

re: #81 Fat Jolly Penguin

Charles! I think the profile disappeared! (Either that or the linky broke.)

And the campaign to hide Obama's connections continues.

Might've worked 10 years ago. But not now. Not with the much more mature blogosphere. We've got your number, Barack.

93 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:27:26am

re: #86 queenesther

I found a typo in their list:

3. Make the 2 Eid'sIEDs

I'm pretty sure that's what they meant.

94 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:27:31am

re: #81 Fat Jolly Penguin

Charles! I think the profile disappeared! (Either that or the linky broke.)

Profile Not Found
The Profile URL you have entered does not exist.

Trying using our Profile search tool to find what you're looking for! Click Here

95 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:27:54am

re: #71 Occasional Reader

Doesn't Obama look vaguely constipated in that photo?

He's jonesing for a cigarette.

96 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:28:27am

re: #74 loppyd WTH? I can sorta understand (but don't agree with) the Bush bumper stickers, but 2 Support the Troops were ripped off?
Too bad ya can't connect 'em to the car battery.
Just sayin............

97 Tigger2005  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:28:30am
probably hoping against hope that the story won’t get picked up by the media.

Except for conservative blogs and possibly FOX news, that's probably a pretty safe bet.

John McCain: Let's run a civil campaign here. We're gonna beat Barry solely on the issues. No, the fact that Barry's pastor and spiritual advisor for 20 years hates America, loves Louis Farrakhan, and thinks we're to blame for 9/11 is not an issue! No, the fact that his wife considers herself a friend of a terrorist supporter is not an issue! All that matters are his views on the issues affecting this great country. No, the associations he and his wife have kept for the past 20 years are not an issue ...

98 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:28:38am

re: #94 MandyManners

Profile Not Found
The Profile URL you have entered does not exist.

Trying using our Profile search tool to find what you're looking for! Click Here

I've seen those errors in Safari.

99 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:28:57am

Remember last summer, when Fidel (who was still alive then) endorsed both Obama and Hillary?

100 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:28:58am

re: #82 Occasional Reader

Right, but the problem with a bumper sticker is that it flags your car while you're not around to protect it. Here in DC, I am happy to wear any political T-shirt... they have to get in MY face if they want to... but I leave stuff like that off my car, because my car can't protect itself.

My car is parked either at work in a busy lot, at the ball-field or at home. I'm not concerned.

101 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:29:48am
102 Alouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:29:53am

Michelle Obama just so reminds me of Sherry Palmer, the villainess of the first 3 seasons of "24."

103 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:29:58am

re: #90 Golem Akbar

Here here!

Let's not go there. I'll either get weepy or furious.

104 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:30:04am

re: #84 MandyManners

re: #63 Golem Akbar

Good move. If Obama is the candidate, McCain will own everything from center-left to the far-right. Of course, never count out the Hildebeast, aka: Vampira, or She-Who-Would-Be-Obeyed.

More and more people I encounter are voting for McCain, and that includes hard-core Democrats who are scared shitless by both BHO and HRC.

Our local rural moonbat says he doesn't know anyone who is for McCain. Probably doesn't in this den of yellow dogs, but don't think you will find many who are FOR Obama or HRC either. Talk is many of them will stay home around here. That's the yellow dog way, if they don't like the Dem candidate they just stay home. Look for a low turnout in the rural yellow dog districts.

105 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:30:57am

re: #86 queenesther

Followed link from obama website to muslimsforobama08.com and found some "change we can believe in!"

./me hands the website a quarter

106 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:31:05am

re: #96 realwest

WTH? I can sorta understand (but don't agree with) the Bush bumper stickers, but 2 Support the Troops were ripped off?
Too bad ya can't connect 'em to the car battery.
Just sayin............

Yep. I replaced the ribbons with an American flag sticker....

(This was on the POS I no longer own)

107 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:31:12am

re: #83 Ward Cleaver Ah Ward, good morning and I'm praying everything goes ok with that "tweaking/fine tuning" my friend.

108 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:31:23am

re: #97 Tigger2005

Except for conservative blogs and possibly FOX news, that's probably a pretty safe bet.

John McCain: Let's run a civil campaign here. We're gonna beat Barry solely on the issues. No, the fact that Barry's pastor and spiritual advisor for 20 years hates America, loves Louis Farrakhan, and thinks we're to blame for 9/11 is not an issue! No, the fact that his wife considers herself a friend of a terrorist supporter is not an issue! All that matters are his views on the issues affecting this great country. No, the associations he and his wife have kept for the past 20 years are not an issue ...

McCain can be as civil as he wants. You and I (and everyone else, too, for that matter) know that the blogosphere won't be quiet about Obama's past associations. It's going to get out. The MSM be damned.

109 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:31:25am

re: #62 Endangered in MASS

Lilly Von Schtupp

[Link: www.youtube.com...]


Bitte baby, bitte.

110 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:31:26am

re: #102 Alouette

Michelle Obama just so reminds me of Sherry Palmer, the villainess of the first 3 seasons of "24."

She is SO Sherry Palmer!

111 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:31:42am

re: #61 Occasional Reader

YES to both lol

112 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:32:13am

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

Great news Jammie. I'm in a hospital waiting room this morning, while June has some tweaking/fine tuning done on last November's breast reconstruction. Thank goodness for free Wi-Fi.

Hey Ward.

My wife also has more cosmetic work still to come. She's still experiencing some pain, but she's a trooper. Got off the meds quite some time ago and has been back at work for five weeks.

Outside of duking it out with my insurance company for some charges, the news is all good.

113 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:32:20am

I'm just discovering recently that Obama is taking money from oil executives while running ads that say the exact opposite. He's apparently been doing this since March and since being anti special interest and especially 'big oil' is/was one of his main talking points, why haven't people raised more of a fuss about this? Has the Obama campaign already brainwashed the zObambies with an explanation?

114 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:32:32am

re: #96 realwest

Too bad ya can't connect 'em to the car battery.

Heh. I like the way you think.

115 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:32:53am

re: #18 JammieWearingFool

Everything's fine. My wife had her three-month checkup today. It's all good news.

Yaaaay!

That is most excellent!

116 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:33:01am

It had to hurt to lose Michelle but his is still tight with Fatima from Toledo! Until her brother gets wind of this dishonor and slits her throat.

That of course would be an American election first, not campaign romance ala Carville and Matlin but instead our first Presidential Campaign Honor Killing.

But no flags on the lapels of the pall bearers please

117 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:33:04am
118 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:33:04am

re: #89 Killian Bundy

/he makes manure taste good

I love the smell of shit in the morning.

119 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:33:10am

re: #36 Endangered in MASS

Mean people like suck or something.

BTW, did that thing you were looking for arrive yet?

120 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:33:11am
121 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:33:11am

re: #90 Golem Akbar Where, where?! LOL! Rudy's "campaign" disappeared almost as soon as it started. I was genuinely shocked when he just sorta nonchalantly walked away from it all.

122 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:33:30am

re: #98 Ward Cleaver

I've seen those errors in Safari.

I'm in IE.

123 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:33:34am

re: #86 queenesther

Followed link from obama website to muslimsforobama08.com and found some "change we can believe in!"

ISSUES & SOLUTIONS
QUESTION: What are issues and recommendations for solutions that are unique to Muslim Americans?


1. A Law against harrassment of a Muslim women wearing Hijab at the Airport, DMV and other public arenas.

2. Institute a Law to allow Muslim Employees to take a hours off from work for Friday Jummah Prayer.

3. Make the 2 Eid's, recognized National Holidays on Calendars with days off from work.

4. Optional Halal meals in federal buildiings, public schools and colleges.

5. Provide prayer areas suitable for Salah and Jummah, in public and private facilities. (i.e. Malls, Airports, Universities and government buildings.)

6. Organize a Muslim American group to assist in recommendations for US foreign policy affecting majority Muslim countries.

Submit your recommendations


If they can do that, then all Jews should have time during the work day to pray.
Rosh Hashannah and Yom Kippur should be days off as well.
Optional Kosher meals in the same places, and Kosher for Passover meals (properly sealed to prevent contamination from leaven).
The Muslims should have to share a prayer area with other faiths. If they cannot, then they can pay for one. If they want to rent a room in the public buildings, etc., fine with me, as long as rooms can be rented by other religious groups at the same price.
And they already have (6); it's called CAIR.

124 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:33:46am

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

Great news Jammie. I'm in a hospital waiting room this morning, while June has some tweaking/fine tuning done on last November's breast reconstruction. Thank goodness for free Wi-Fi.

{Ward & June}

BBL

125 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:33:47am

re: #99 Golem Akbar

Remember last summer, when Fidel (who was still alive then) endorsed both Obama and Hillary?

Standard KGB
Back both sides

126 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:34:06am

re: #121 realwest

Where, where?! LOL! Rudy's "campaign" disappeared almost as soon as it started. I was genuinely shocked when he just sorta nonchalantly walked away from it all.

Not me
That was the second time he did it

127 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:34:16am

re: #119 JammieWearingFool

BTW, did that thing you were looking for arrive yet?

If it is tickets I will have to keeel you.

128 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:34:21am

re: #104 HDrepub

That's the yellow dog way, if they don't like the Dem candidate they just stay home. Look for a low turnout in the rural yellow dog districts.

Yes. (I remember McGovern for president!) Maybe the Repubs have a chance to win back congress. Now that would be a relief.

129 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:34:24am

re: #117 BabbaZee

And who can forget Inayat Bunglawala, Baybee?

Didn't he sing "I get knocked down, but I get up again, [etc.]"?

130 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:34:28am

re: #113 bosforus

I'm just discovering recently that Obama is taking money from oil executives while running ads that say the exact opposite. He's apparently been doing this since March and since being anti special interest and especially 'big oil' is/was one of his main talking points, why haven't people raised more of a fuss about this? Has the Obama campaign already brainwashed the zObambies with an explanation?

any surprise? they all take money from big corporate executives.

Its just Democrats claim to be against all that.

131 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:34:50am

re: #104 HDrepub

Our local rural moonbat says he doesn't know anyone who is for McCain. Probably doesn't in this den of yellow dogs, but don't think you will find many who are FOR Obama or HRC either. Talk is many of them will stay home around here. That's the yellow dog way, if they don't like the Dem candidate they just stay home. Look for a low turnout in the rural yellow dog districts.

If I recall correctly, there are quite a few veterans in yellow-dog, rural areas in Tennessee. I don't see them staying home.

132 Alouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:35:01am

re: #110 loppyd

She is SO Sherry Palmer!

I have often wondered, while CAIR was having convulsions over "24" portraying Muslims as terrorists, why Jesse & Al said nothing about the meanest, nastiest "24" villain being an African-American woman.

133 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:35:22am

re: #116 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

It had to hurt to lose Michelle but his is still tight with Fatima

Rick & Fatima... sounds like a singing duo. I'd like to hear their rendition of "Muskrat Love".

134 kansas  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:36:04am

re: #2 MandyManners

They must think we're stupid.

Well, we're not, but we're outnumbered.

135 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:36:41am

re: #130 Hengineer

I, for one, am not surprised, but I'm surprised that that fact hasn't really been used to scratch more of the shine off of him.

136 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:36:43am

re: #128 Golem Akbar

(I remember McGovern for president!)

So do I... from my parents' campaign buttons. (Sigh.)

Taranto had a piece yesterday on the possible McGovernization of the Obama campaign.

137 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:37:15am

re: #129 Occasional Reader

Didn't he sing "I get knocked down, but I get up again, [etc.]"?

SHAME ON YOU!

138 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:37:49am

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

Well, he is pretty oily, isn't he?

He's probably going through a barrel a day on his own.

139 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:38:17am

re: #132 Alouette

I have often wondered, while CAIR was having convulsions over "24" portraying Muslims as terrorists, why Jesse & Al said nothing about the meanest, nastiest "24" villain being an African-American woman.

They were too busy getting people like Imus fired....

really gone now.

BBIAB!

140 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:38:33am

re: #137 MandyManners

SHAME ON YOU!

I once heard that sung in a nightclub in the Dominican Republic, by a singer with a good voice but a heavy accent. "Peeseeng the night away... peeseeng the night awayyyy...". Quite funny.

141 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:38:35am

re: #121 realwest

Where, where?! LOL! Rudy's "campaign" disappeared almost as soon as it started. I was genuinely shocked when he just sorta nonchalantly walked away from it all.


I know. Me too. Maybe he was too smart to subject himself, his wife and family, and party to the stuff that the campaigns bring out. He's no saint. But his heart is right where it needed to be. [sigh]

I'll vote McCain. It's a good vote. No regrets.

142 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:38:38am

re: #107 realwest

Ah Ward, good morning and I'm praying everything goes ok with that "tweaking/fine tuning" my friend.

Thanks, rw. The doctor's supposed to come out in 15 minutes or so.

143 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:39:07am

re: #113 bosforus

I'm just discovering recently that Obama is taking money from oil executives while running ads that say the exact opposite. He's apparently been doing this since March and since being anti special interest and especially 'big oil' is/was one of his main talking points, why haven't people raised more of a fuss about this? Has the Obama campaign already brainwashed the zObambies with an explanation?

Yep. That hit at least one of the Chicago papers, and seems to be buried nationally. Of course, the entire Rezko trial is never seen nationally. With its importance to a presidential candidate, one would think it should be in the news every evening. Instead, it's confined to the Illinois media.

144 Cygnus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:39:34am

re: #28 MandyManners

You get yours on a Saturday? I get mine on a Wednesday.

Alternating Wednesdays.

/holding nose

145 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:39:40am

re: #134 kansas

Well, we're not, but we're outnumbered.

No, we're not.

146 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:39:56am

re: #126 BabbaZee Well it's the last time he's gonna do it for me.
When was the other time?!

147 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:39:58am

Ward and Jammie, I'm happy to see both of your news. Or newses. Whatever the term is.

148 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:40:10am

re: #140 Occasional Reader

I once heard that sung in a nightclub in the Dominican Republic, by a singer with a good voice but a heavy accent. "Peeseeng the night away... peeseeng the night awayyyy...". Quite funny.

You do get around!

149 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:40:32am

re: #129 Occasional Reader

Inayat Bunglawala

150 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:41:01am

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

tweaking/fine tuning

And here whenever I try to tweak/fine tune a woman's breast, it quickly turns into "court order" this and "court order" that. But your guy is getting PAID for it. It just ain't fair.

151 yochanan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:41:07am

re: #3 Honorary Yooper

Down the memory hole we gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo........ ...


1984 yep

152 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:41:11am

re: #146 realwest

When he pulled out of the senate race against.....

The same woman

153 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:41:18am

re: #144 Cygnus

Alternating Wednesdays.

/holding nose

Who invented eau de toilet?

154 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:41:23am

re: #143 Honorary Yooper

Yep. That hit at least one of the Chicago papers, and seems to be buried nationally. Of course, the entire Rezko trial is never seen nationally. With its importance to a presidential candidate, one would think it should be in the news every evening. Instead, it's confined to the Illinois media.

It's just starting to show up in papers here in Salt Lake. Not that I read the paper much, I just saw it in a caption yesterday.

155 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:41:57am

re: #131 MandyManners

If I recall correctly, there are quite a few veterans in yellow-dog, rural areas in Tennessee. I don't see them staying home.

Many of those lean Republican, Mandy, like me for example, but around this area are many, many yellow dog Democrats who just can't shake the legacy and wanna pull the Donk lever in spite of all the crap. This time though I think most of them will stay home, but some will cross over.
This old vet will be glad to cast a vote for John McCain. He wasn't my choice but I support him, and he is far and away much better than the other side for this country I love so much.

156 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:42:23am

My Obama account just went up 30,000 rankings by virtue of doing nothing in the last 20 minutes!

157 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:42:42am

re: #128 Golem Akbar
Well I'd rather have a Repub Congress than a Dem congress, but I don't honestly see that happening.
And frankly, when we last did have a Repub Congress they didn't do all that much either.
Must be some sort of Congressional disease, ya know? Gotta get along or at least play nice with the other team; if Congress were sports teams, they'd get fined for throwing the games.

158 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:43:12am

re: #112 JammieWearingFool

Hey Ward.

My wife also has more cosmetic work still to come. She's still experiencing some pain, but she's a trooper. Got off the meds quite some time ago and has been back at work for five weeks.

Outside of duking it out with my insurance company for some charges, the news is all good.

We've had pretty good luck with the insurance so far (knocks on wood). The surgeon's bill for the reconstruction in Nov. was $79k. He's in our network, so the negotiated rate was about half of that, plus June had maxed out on her out-of-pocket.

159 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:43:16am

re: #134 kansas

Well, we're not, but we're outnumbered.



Gideon only had 300

We will ALWAYS be outnumbered.

That is never the point.

we are chosen
we are one
we are frightened
of no one
and no one
will win this war
this is the way
this is the law

160 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:43:32am

re: #147 Occasional Reader

Ward and Jammie, I'm happy to see both of your news. Or newses. Whatever the term is.

Thanks. Although her surgery was only three months ago, it seems like another lifetime.

I'm most grateful for all the support I received here.

Lizards are not mean.

161 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:43:38am

re: #147 Occasional Reader

Ward and Jammie, I'm happy to see both of your news. Or newses. Whatever the term is.

Thanks OR.

162 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:43:54am

re: #155 HDrepub

Many of those lean Republican, Mandy, like me for example, but around this area are many, many yellow dog Democrats who just can't shake the legacy and wanna pull the Donk lever in spite of all the crap. This time though I think most of them will stay home, but some will cross over.
This old vet will be glad to cast a vote for John McCain. He wasn't my choice but I support him, and he is far and away much better than the other side for this country I love so much.

Have you talked to any yellow dogs?

163 Sacred Plants  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:43:54am

re: #72 bosforus

Now we can surreptitiously talk to them through LGF.

All three campaigns are paying attention now? Fine. So which one will be the first to focus on callenges such as the gum-chewing Palestinian?

Bwahahahahahahaha... competition.

164 zmdavid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:44:05am

re: #156 bosforus

My Obama account just went up 30,000 rankings by virtue of doing nothing in the last 20 minutes!


Pretty soon you'll be his top supporter.

165 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:44:15am

re: #159 BabbaZee

We will ALWAYS be outnumbered.

"We're Airborne, we're SUPPOSED to be 'surrounded'."

166 Charles  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:44:23am

Unbelievable! Sometime in the last 30 minutes, the Obama campaign made the entire El-Hady web page vanish.

Update above...

167 Cygnus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:44:27am

re: #71 Occasional Reader

Doesn't Obama look vaguely constipated in that photo?

He always looks vaguely constipated. Too many waffles this morning.

168 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:44:35am

re: #160 JammieWearingFool

Lizards are not mean.


SHHHHH don't tell anyone, you'll ruin my rep.

LOL

169 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:44:36am

re: #162 MandyManners

Oops. I wasn't doubting you at all. I meant to ask if you'd tried to persuade them to pull it for McCain.

170 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:44:41am

re: #149 BabbaZee

Inayat Bunglawala

Our friend!

171 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:44:46am

re: #165 Occasional Reader

AHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

172 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:45:04am

re: #166 Charles

Unbelievable! Sometime in the last 30 minutes, the Obama campaign made the entire El-Hady web page vanish.

Update above...

But, you have the screen-shots!

173 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:45:10am

re: #166 Charles

Unbelievable! Sometime in the last 30 minutes, the Obama campaign made the entire El-Hady web page vanish.

Update above...

"Hit the enter key, comrade."

174 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:45:12am

re: #166 Charles

Unbelievable! Sometime in the last 30 minutes, the Obama campaign made the entire El-Hady web page vanish.

Update above...


I Hatem when they do that.

175 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:45:19am

re: #166 Charles

Unbelievable! Sometime in the last 30 minutes, the Obama campaign made the entire El-Hady web page vanish.

Update above...

Just like it never even existed.

Too late, Barack, we got a screenshot.

176 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:45:46am

re: #166 Charles

If I thought Obama could actually make real terrorists disappear like that I might give him another thought.

177 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:45:55am

re: #170 Ward Cleaver

Our friend!

LOL!

LGF: the biggest threat to Islam in a thousand years
~ Inayat Bunglawala

178 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:46:03am

re: #167 Cygnus

He always looks vaguely constipated. Too many waffles this morning.

"Can't I just have my bran waffle?

179 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:46:04am

Hatem's site won't go away.

Don't these morons know about screenshots?

180 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:46:15am

re: #166 Charles

Unbelievable! Sometime in the last 30 minutes, the Obama campaign made the entire El-Hady web page vanish.

Update above...

HOPIUM!

181 Diamond Bullet  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:46:17am

re: #60 taxfreekiller

Old Apache saying...

Just load the gun, cock it,
hold it stright and level,
the target will come by in time.

I think Sun Tze shared a similar sentiment: If you wait by the river long enough, you will see the body of your enemy floating by.

It's a fun approach to apply to the Democratic nominating process.

182 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:46:50am

re: #176 bosforus

If I thought Obama could actually make real terrorists disappear like that I might give him another thought.

Terrorists? What terrorists? I don't see any terrorists.

183 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:46:52am

Can the Obama webmaster make Barack and Michelle disappear?

184 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:46:53am

re: #174 JammieWearingFool

Hatem Cheatam and Howe

I think ...

was a law firm on the 3 stooges once

185 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:47:04am

re: #162 MandyManners

Have you talked to any yellow dogs?

You kiddin'? I don't even speak to them much less talk to them. But I have talked with some who have, and the word is they are staying home. That's good for my cause. Might even tilt some other races too.

186 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:47:17am

That is the specific danger with the internet, as compared to hard copies.

They say 'the internet never forgets' . .. that is very untrue.

Unless someone, like LGF did, takes a picture.... it is easy to make it look like it just never existed . . . which is not just the intent here, but a DANGEROUS place to trod.

That is what made 1984's reality so possible........ the ability to just erase history to replace it with propaganda.

187 zmdavid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:47:17am

re: #166 Charles

Unbelievable! Sometime in the last 30 minutes, the Obama campaign made the entire El-Hady web page vanish.

Update above...

Ever feel like you're being watched?

188 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:47:17am

re: #141 Golem Akbar Well given that McCain is the ONLY candidate in the race who doesn't HATE AMERICA I'm for him too.

And I'm still totally flabbergasted by the way Barack Hussein Obama and his charming wife Michelle have each said or indicated by their behavior that they DON'T LIKE AMERICA or are ASHAMED to be FROM AMERICA and the MSM - including FOX and ABC (which has started to display- perhaps by accident - some journalistic ethics of late) let them skate on that.
Who the hell wants a President and First Lady who HATE America?!

189 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:47:21am

re: #166 Charles

Unbelievable! Sometime in the last 30 minutes, the Obama campaign made the entire El-Hady web page vanish.

Update above...

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

190 Elydo  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:47:37am

Wow. The commitment to transparency, accountability and truth is overwhelming.

Wait, he's never actually committed to ANY of those, has he?

191 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:47:44am

re: #179 JammieWearingFool

Hatem's site won't go away.

Don't these morons know about screenshots?

I wonder if they'll try to force Charles to delete his record. They won't win but, I wonder if they'll try.

HEAR THAT, YOU WHINEYASSBITCH?!

192 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:47:46am

re: #184 BabbaZee

Hatem Cheatam and Howe

I think ...

was a law firm on the 3 stooges once

Wasn't it Dewey, Cheatem and Howe?

193 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:48:14am

re: #184 BabbaZee

Hatem Cheatam and Howe

I think ...

was a law firm on the 3 stooges once

It's Dewey, Cheatem and Howe.

Though Hatem was apparently the forgotten Stooge.

194 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:48:29am

re: #184 BabbaZee

Hatem Cheatam and Howe

I think ...

was a law firm on the 3 stooges once

Dewey, Cheatham & Howe... don't know about 3 stooges, but they're cheerfully listed as the legal advisors to "Car Talk" (one of the few things worth listening to on NPR).

195 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:48:31am

re: #185 HDrepub

You kiddin'? I don't even speak to them much less talk to them. But I have talked with some who have, and the word is they are staying home. That's good for my cause. Might even tilt some other races too.

I had more faith in my fomer fellow Volunteers.

196 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:48:48am

re: #189 Occasional Reader

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

exactly.

197 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:48:49am
198 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:48:54am

re: #166 Charles

Unbelievable! Sometime in the last 30 minutes, the Obama campaign made the entire El-Hady web page vanish.

Update above...

They know we're watching.
Now if they'd make people like El-Hady vanish, that would be different, but I fear they'd prefer to make people like me vanish.

199 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:49:00am

re: #150 Occasional Reader ROFL!

200 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:49:02am

re: #193 lawhawk

It's Dewey, Cheatem and Howe.

Though Hatem was apparently the forgotten Stooge.

AHHH that's it
you are right

201 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:49:17am

re: #194 Occasional Reader

Dewey, Cheatham & Howe... don't know about 3 stooges, but they're cheerfully listed as the legal advisors to "Car Talk" (one of the few things worth listening to on NPR).

Johnny Carson had 'em first.

202 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:49:18am

re: #191 MandyManners

I wonder if they'll try to force Charles to delete his record. They won't win but, I wonder if they'll try.

HEAR THAT, YOU WHINEYASSBITCH?!

Nah, they'll just publish a story, maybe through DU or KOS, saying that we photoshopped it.

203 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:49:22am

re: #166 Charles

Unbelievable! Sometime in the last 30 minutes, the Obama campaign made the entire El-Hady web page vanish.

Update above...


They're watching you, Charles.

204 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:49:50am

re: #152 BabbaZee Huh, another senior moment - I don't recall Rudy ever being in that Senate race - you mean her first race or second?!

205 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:49:55am

re: #202 LanceKates

Nah, they'll just publish a story, maybe through DU or KOS, saying that we photoshopped it.

Wouldn't put it past them.

206 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:50:01am

re: #194 Occasional Reader

I would rather choose from those three stooges than the ones I have before me now

207 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:50:10am

Is it considered social justice when your webpage disappears?

Hey Hatem, we'd like to know!

208 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:50:25am

re: #184 BabbaZee

Hatem Cheatam and Howe

I think ...

was a law firm on the 3 stooges once


Dewey, Cheatem & Howe

I think

209 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:50:30am

re: #205 MandyManners

look at what the left tried to do to the Swift Boat Veterans against Kerry.

210 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:50:43am

re: #188 realwest

Who the hell wants a President and First Lady who HATE America?!


Bill Ayers and his partner Bernadette Dohrn.

211 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:50:50am

HI, OBAMA CAMPAIGN!

[waves]

212 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:51:07am

re: #204 realwest

It had to be in 2000
Right before 9/11

he had just been diagnosed, but his degree and the treatment were no barrier in reality, he could have stayed in

213 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:51:11am

re: #156 bosforus Why are you surprised? Obama hasn't done a damn thing in all his years in political office and he's now #1 on the Dem side! LOL!

214 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:51:17am
215 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:51:42am

re: #203 jamgarr

They're watching you, Charles.

Who's watching me?

216 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:51:42am

re: #188 realwest

Who the hell wants a President and First Lady who HATE America?!

The Taliban. The pallies. Iran. Libya. etc. etc. etc.

217 zmdavid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:52:02am

re: #194 Occasional Reader

Dewey, Cheatham & Howe... don't know about 3 stooges, but they're cheerfully listed as the legal advisors to "Car Talk" (one of the few things worth listening to on NPR).


A more appropriate jihadi substitute would be:
Dewey, Hatem and Howe
CAIR would hire them in a minute.

218 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:52:04am

re: #209 LanceKates

look at what the left tried to do to the Swift Boat Veterans against Kerry.

Swift Boat Veterans? Oh, but they were "discredited", doncha know.

/

219 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:52:19am

re: #209 LanceKates

look at what the left tried to do to the Swift Boat Veterans against Kerry.

I hate to admit it but, I wasn't paying attention back then. (The Kid kept me busier than a one-legged woman in an ass-kicking contest.)

220 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:52:27am

re: #166 Charles

Unbelievable! Sometime in the last 30 minutes, the Obama campaign made the entire El-Hady web page vanish.
Update above...

Charles, you are one powerful bastard.

221 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:52:33am

re: #218 Occasional Reader

Swift Boat Veterans? Oh, but they were "discredited", doncha know.

/

by the same people who 'proved' the TANG memos to be accurate.

...

222 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:52:49am

Obammunism is the hopium of the asses!

Bronx Cheer to you, Lurking Obamaists!

223 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:52:59am

re: #160 JammieWearingFool Indeed, lizards are in fact very nice, caring and decent folks, and that's the absolute truth.
Just don't cross 'em!

224 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:53:06am

re: #217 zmdavid

A more appropriate jihadi substitute would be:
Dewey, Hatem and Howe
CAIR would hire them in a minute.

I think they're past that... more into Howee, Killham & Wen

225 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:53:08am

re: #195 MandyManners

I had more faith in my fomer fellow Volunteers.

This is a unique county Mandy. It hasn't ever cast a majority of votes for any Republican. This county and the one across the river are just alike in that aspect. It's not representative of the state as a whole.

226 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:53:59am

re: #216 LanceKates

The Taliban. The pallies. Iran. Libya. etc. etc. etc.

Funny you should bring that up, Lance.

I found this one this morning as well:

Palestinians excited about Obama presidency

"I am confident that Barack Obama is more sympathetic to the position of ending the occupation than either of the other candidates," said Hussein Ibish, a senior fellow for the American Task Force on Palestine, referring to the Israeli presence in the West Bank and Gaza Strip that began after the 1967 war. More than his rivals for the White House, Ibish said, Obama sees a "moral imperative" in resolving the conflict and is most likely to apply pressure to both sides to make concessions.

Read it all.

227 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:54:06am

re: #219 MandyManners

I hate to admit it but, I wasn't paying attention back then. (The Kid kept me busier than a one-legged woman in an ass-kicking contest.)

Don't worry. History repeats itself. You'll see it again this election with rants against people who don't support the DNC candidate.

especially if it ends up being Hillary. (If it is Obama, we'll just get called racists.)

228 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:54:06am

re: #207 JammieWearingFool

Is it considered social justice when your webpage disappears?

Hey Hatem, we'd like to know!

Nope, it's hope that the change wont be noticed.

229 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:54:19am

re: #109 jamgarr


It's twue.

230 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:54:33am

re: #166 Charles I'm telling ya Charles - ALL the campaigns are watching LGF. Well, ok, maybe not McCain, but certainly Obama and Hillary are!

231 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:54:38am

re: #211 Occasional Reader

HI, OBAMA CAMPAIGN!

[waves]

With both hands.

232 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:54:50am

re: #226 Honorary Yooper

Read it all.

I don't want to read any of it. I'm at work and need to maintain the appearance of someone who isn't sputtering with anger.

233 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:55:19am

Rudy was runing in 2000 against Hillary... He dropped out when he was diagnosed with Prostate Cancer... Rick Lazio took his spot... His major faux pas was being 'mean' to Hillary in a debate where he surprised her with a pledge form to not accept soft money... They labeled him as a bully and he was further sunk...

He wasn't going to win anyway but still...

234 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:56:11am

re: #225 HDrepub

This is a unique county Mandy. It hasn't ever cast a majority of votes for any Republican. This county and the one across the river are just alike in that aspect. It's not representative of the state as a whole.

The western part is a long-standing Dem strong hold, the middle is polluted by Nashville. The eastern part, though, is Republican. (Funny that the eastern part didn't have a lot of slavery.)

235 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:56:29am

re: #184 BabbaZee NO, that was Dewey Cheatham & Howe. IIRC, John Edwards was a senior partner!

236 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:56:44am

re: #227 LanceKates

Don't worry. History repeats itself. You'll see it again this election with rants against people who don't support the DNC candidate.

especially if it ends up being Hillary. (If it is Obama, we'll just get called racists.)

Won't we be called "sexists" if we dis HRC?

237 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:57:12am

re: #183 JammieWearingFool

Can the Obama webmaster make Barack and Michelle disappear?

Wish them into the cornfield.

238 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:57:39am

re: #237 Ward Cleaver

Wish them into the cornfield.

Heh. That was a creepily good story.

239 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:57:43am

re: #237 Ward Cleaver

Wish them into the cornfield.

I see banned people.

240 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:58:10am

re: #235 realwest

NO, that was Dewey Cheatham & Howe. IIRC, John Edwards was a senior partner!

Boyd, Dewey, Cheatham & Howe?

/cah talk

241 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:58:37am

re: #234 MandyManners

The western part is a long-standing Dem strong hold, the middle is polluted by Nashville. The eastern part, though, is Republican. (Funny that the eastern part didn't have a lot of slavery.)

I believe it is a legacy from the Civil War, Mandy. That and the FDR days and it's a generational legacy passed on down the family tree. Daddy was a Democrat so I am too, you know the drill.

242 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:58:53am

re: #239 MandyManners

I see banned people.

Easy, there, Mandy... it's a reference to a Sci Fi story.

243 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:58:56am

re: #238 Occasional Reader

Heh. That was a creepily good story.

That was excellent. Turning the guy into a jack-in-the-box? Killer.

244 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:59:40am

re: #211 Occasional Reader [slaps O.R.'s hand] - HEY, don't be NICE to 'em for crying out loud!

245 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:59:40am

re: #240 Ward Cleaver

Boyd, Dewey, Cheatham & Howe?

/cah talk

Nope, for Car Talk it's just Dewey, Cheatham & Howe. I have the T-shirt.

246 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 7:59:54am

re: #234 MandyManners

The western part is a long-standing Dem strong hold, the middle is polluted by Nashville. The eastern part, though, is Republican. (Funny that the eastern part didn't have a lot of slavery.)

That eastern part tried to leave Tennessee as Tennessee left the Union, IIRC. They also provided troop for the Union.

247 faraway  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:00:24am

What do we really know about Michelle Obama?

248 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:00:30am

I'm in the recovery room with June, and everything went well.

249 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:00:47am

re: #243 Ward Cleaver

That was excellent. Turning the guy into a jack-in-the-box? Killer.

The "Twilight Zone Movie" version is a walk in the park compared to the original short story. VERY creepy, very well done.

250 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:01:05am

re: #246 Honorary Yooper

They also provided troop for the Union

The Vols

251 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:01:06am

Hi there Obamabots...

Trying hastily to protect your savior this morning are we? He's dirty... He's got a hidden agenda that we will find out about... He will be exposed...

252 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:01:09am

re: #248 Ward Cleaver

I'm in the recovery room with June, and everything went well.

Excellent. Give her a hug for us, please.

253 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:01:16am

re: #241 HDrepub

I believe it is a legacy from the Civil War, Mandy. That and the FDR days and it's a generational legacy passed on down the family tree. Daddy was a Democrat so I am too, you know the drill.

Funny how the former slave areas are Democratic.

254 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:01:18am

re: #247 faraway

What do we really know about Michelle Obama?

Not enough.

255 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:01:38am

re: #246 Honorary Yooper

That eastern part tried to leave Tennessee as Tennessee left the Union, IIRC. They also provided troop for the Union.


Every Confederate state except South Carolina did.

256 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:01:47am

re: #242 Occasional Reader

Easy, there, Mandy... it's a reference to a Sci Fi story.

Isn't that the movie where the kid said he saw dead people?

257 Daisy  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:01:53am

Well, well, well - it HAS been picked up by the media!

The Obama's can run, Hatem can run, CNN (etc.) can run - but they cannot hide; Charles you've nabbed them.

258 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:01:57am

I see you, Obamanable Snowjobman.
Same shit, different racists.

ENTRYISM

A political tactic in which an extremist organizations and groups intentionally infiltrate legitimate mainstream organizations in an attempt to gain recruits, and gain influence and power, obtain plausible deniability for their real agendas with their ultimate goal being to take control of the legitimate structure.

The technique is commonly used by extremists of both the left and the right in order to enter and co opt more centrist groups, thereby providing political cover for their extremist agendas and gaining them access to mainstream political power.

In situations where the larger organization is hostile to entryism, said entryists engage in taqiyya to hide the fact that they are, in fact, an organization in their own right.

259 Stringart  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:01:58am

re: #207 JammieWearingFool

Is it considered social justice when your webpage disappears?

I've always wondered what was meant by "social justice". Courtesy Kathy Shaidle, one of the Canadian bloggers being sued, I have my answer:

Social justice: the stubborn application of unworkable "solutions" to imaginary "problems".

260 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:02:04am

re: #245 Occasional Reader

Nope, for Car Talk it's just Dewey, Cheatham & Howe. I have the T-shirt.

I have an old (1989) Car Talk t-shirt, for winning the puzzlah. I knew that Rzeppa joints are CV joints.

261 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:02:05am
262 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:02:09am

re: #236 MandyManners

Won't we be called "sexists" if we dis HRC?

That just furthers the common misconseption that Hillary is a woman.

She's actually an alien roach in a human suit.

263 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:02:18am

re: #252 Occasional Reader

Excellent. Give her a hug for us, please.

Sure will.

264 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:02:50am

re: #246 Honorary Yooper

That eastern part tried to leave Tennessee as Tennessee left the Union, IIRC. They also provided troop for the Union.

It wasn't an area that depended heavily on slave labor like the cotton fields back home.

265 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:03:26am

re: #262 LanceKates

That just furthers the common misconseption that Hillary is a woman.

She's actually an alien roach in a human suit.

Really? Because I heard she was a cyborg.

266 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:03:49am

re: #250 jamgarr

They also provided troop for the Union

The Vols

I think Tennessee has ALWAYS provided a huge number of volunteers for various wars, not just the Civil War.

267 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:04:01am

How did we, the greatest country on Earth, get saddled with such incredibly sub par choices for the most powerful office in the land at a time when we need the leadership of an unwavering and fearless person, man or woman?

268 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:04:05am

re: #255 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Every Confederate state except South Carolina did.

Yes, the three stars on the TN flag represent Eastern, Middle, and Western Tennessee.

269 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:04:14am

re: #247 faraway

What do we really know about Michelle Obama?

I know she hates America.

That's enough for me.

Michelle Hatem Obama.

270 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:04:16am

re: #247 faraway

What do we really know about Michelle Obama?

She's a WhineyAssBitch.

271 AZfederalist  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:04:20am

re: #2 MandyManners

They must think we're stupid.

Uh, yeah, they do.

272 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:04:21am
273 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:04:21am

re: #247 faraway Well once she said she's ashamed to admitt to being from America when she's overseas, I learned everything I ever wanted to know about her.

274 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:04:28am

re: #58 WalterMitty

Here ya go:
I Love My Country More Than I Hate John McCain

Eggggggggscellent!

275 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:04:45am

re: #262 LanceKates

That just furthers the common misconseption that Hillary is a woman.

She's actually an alien roach in a human suit.

No more evolution threads!

276 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:04:49am

re: #265 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

No, that's me.

277 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:05:07am

re: #253 MandyManners

Funny how the former slave areas are Democratic.

Much funnier how the former slaves are.

278 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:05:28am
279 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:05:30am

re: #237 Ward Cleaver

Wish them into the cornfield.

Earthboy Will Robinson was one badass little kid in that episode.

280 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:05:32am

re: #271 AZfederalist

Uh, yeah, they do.

The joke's on them.

281 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:05:36am

re: #267 tfc3rid

How did we, the greatest country on Earth, get saddled with such incredibly sub par choices for the most powerful office in the land at a time when we need the leadership of an unwavering and fearless person, man or woman?

too many people are worried about who can give them the most 'free stuff' rather than worrying about the future.

282 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:05:41am

re: #159 BabbaZee


The original 300!

283 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:05:46am

re: #262 LanceKates

That just furthers the common misconseption that Hillary is a woman.

She's actually an alien roach in a human suit.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Just like Lil' Kim from North Korea. LOL!

284 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:05:56am

re: #277 wolfie

Much funnier how the former slaves are.

The Dems are everything for everyone.

285 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:06:09am

I got my hands dirty for y'all so I hope you find some value in this info. Here are some ranking stats when I registered at Obama's website.

Action ------- Points Gained - Rank - Percentage (top)
-------------------------------------------------- ------------
Created Account - 25 - 581,257 - 100% (I assume)
Logged in ---------- 1 -- 550,702 - 94.7%
Created Profile --- 20 - 194,608 - 33.5%

Not exactly difficult to climb the ladder.

286 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:06:12am

re: #262 LanceKates

That just furthers the common misconseption that Hillary is a woman.

She's actually an alien roach in a human suit.

"Oh, I'm sorry. Was that your auntie?"

287 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:06:28am

re: #278 buzzsawmonkey

That she has a stick up her ass like every nasty supervisor you've ever encountered whose prime directive is to hide her own incompetence.

I hate that type.

288 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:06:43am

re: #279 JammieWearingFool

Earthboy Will Robinson was one badass little kid in that episode.

Yeah he was. They didn't screw with him.

289 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:06:46am

re: #239 MandyManners

I see banned people.

Are they on the run?

290 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:06:51am

re: #248 Ward CleaverEXCELLENT NEWS Ward! Thanks for letting us know!

291 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:06:52am

re: #275 MandyManners

No more evolution threads!

lol... I was thinking more along the lines of Men In Black than evolution, but either way, she shouldn't be president.

292 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:07:12am
293 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:07:30am

re: #278 buzzsawmonkey

That she has a stick up her ass like every nasty supervisor you've ever encountered whose prime directive is to hide her own incompetence.

The Dillbert Principle.

294 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:07:45am

re: #289 sparrowlake

Are they on the run?


Excellent catch!

295 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:07:46am

re: #257 Daisy Uh, link?

296 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:08:10am

re: #291 LanceKates

lol... I was thinking more along the lines of Men In Black than evolution, but either way, she shouldn't be president.

David Icke is a true believer.

297 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:08:15am

re: #290 realwest

EXCELLENT NEWS Ward! Thanks for letting us know!

Thanks rw. She's resting, and it's cold in here. Notebook keeping me warm.

298 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:08:32am

re: #292 buzzsawmonkey

You can see it in her eyes.

As long as I don't have to smell it on her breath.

299 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:08:40am

re: #291 LanceKates

lol... I was thinking more along the lines of Men In Black than evolution, but either way, she shouldn't be president.

LOL! And here I was thinking of Kim Sung Il in Team America: World Police. He's also an alien cockroach in a human suit.

300 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:08:43am

re: #267 tfc3rid

How did we, the greatest country on Earth, get saddled with such incredibly sub par choices for the most powerful office in the land at a time when we need the leadership of an unwavering and fearless person, man or woman?

The law of averages...

301 OneGyT  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:08:52am

Don't worry, Obama's just doing what he has to as a politician.

302 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:09:10am

re: #287 MandyManners

I hate that type.

I was not that type when I was in managerial roles.

Those that worked for me REALLY liked it, as I did my job and was willing to do their job if needed, which made them motivated enough to do there job with no issues... ever.

On the other hand, other managers and those above me (who got there with the 'step on others and kiss ass' mode of management) didn't like me very much.

They'd say that I didn't have a 'team mentality' . .. even though those who worked with me functioned like an actual team.

303 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:09:57am

re: #266 MandyManners

I think Tennessee has ALWAYS provided a huge number of volunteers for various wars, not just the Civil War.


You are correct - Civil War included

304 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:10:43am

re: #296 MandyManners

David Icke is a true believer.

heh. I wonder if he's been on Art Bell's radio show. (whoever hosts it now)

305 Daisy  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:10:56am

re: #247 faraway

What do we really know about Michelle Obama?

She demonstrated incompetence in her literacy skills while at Princeton and they allowed her to stay anyway. The woman considers it an accomplishment that she bullied her way into the place despite her (or, because of her) academic incompetence.

Oh yes, she's a militant racist too. Read her outted Princeton thesis : [Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

306 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:11:01am

re: #247 faraway

What do we really know about Michelle Obama?

She's "brilliant, accomplished and beautiful". According to... Michelle Obama.

307 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:11:01am

re: #301 OneGyT

Don't worry, Obama's just doing what he has to as a politician.

Welcome to the Chicago Way.

308 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:11:30am

re: #299 Honorary Yooper

LOL! And here I was thinking of Kim Sung Il in Team America: World Police. He's also an alien cockroach in a human suit.

great movie.

especially the entire song there to rip on the pearl harbor movie.... and the theme song.

309 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:11:57am

re: #302 LanceKates

I was not that type when I was in managerial roles.

Those that worked for me REALLY liked it, as I did my job and was willing to do their job if needed, which made them motivated enough to do there job with no issues... ever.

On the other hand, other managers and those above me (who got there with the 'step on others and kiss ass' mode of management) didn't like me very much.

They'd say that I didn't have a 'team mentality' . .. even though those who worked with me functioned like an actual team.

There is no "I" in "team"! (I hate that saying.)

310 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:12:18am

re: #289 sparrowlake Hey nice catch - and one of the two songs Paul did that I really liked after the Beatles broke up!

311 badsysop  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:12:20am

I think "I'm John McCain, and I don't approve this ad." may as well be put on most of the ads this campaign season.

What a freakin' jackass. "Being nice" is going to land him with few votes. Left wingers may "applaud" his actions but sure aren't going to vote for him. He's going to alienate die hard republicans even more.

I had hope, but John McCain is trying to rob me of that hope. Who is his advisor? He needs a kick in the gonads.

That bumper sticker mentioned is SOOooo right on the money.

312 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:12:27am

re: #282 Golem Akbar

The original 300!



YUP!

/for audio only lol

313 phoenixgirl  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:12:30am

re: #309 MandyManners

There is no "I" in "team"! (I hate that saying.)

but there is a "ME"!

314 Daisy  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:12:49am

re: #295 realwest

Uh, link?

Uh, look at the top of this page. LGF is "the media".

315 badsysop  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:13:29am

re: #289 sparrowlake

Are they on the run?

How about

THIS "On the run" song?

316 yochanan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:13:31am

re: #234 MandyManners

The western part is a long-standing Dem strong hold, the middle is polluted by Nashville. The eastern part, though, is Republican. (Funny that the eastern part didn't have a lot of slavery.)

the eastern part of tenn was pro unionist during the civil war, and sessch traitors commited war crimes on the unionist population when they occupied it.

the tenn bridge burners were unspoken unionist heros

317 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:13:33am

re: #309 MandyManners

There is no "I" in "team"! (I hate that saying.)

There is no I... but there is a M and an E. that spells "me"

heh.

I hated that saying as much as "Remember Team stands for 'together everyone achieves more!"

blech. How about this. we each do our own job so that no one else has to do it for them and so that we've accomplished something as a functional member of society, taking personal responsibility for our own actions?

I'm sure we can make an acronym out of it for the buzzword minded.

318 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:13:45am

re: #301 OneGyT

Don't worry, Obama's just doing what he has to as a politician.


The gift that keeps on giving!

319 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:14:05am

re: #315 badsysop

How about

THIS "On the run" song?


BLINK

320 Lawrence Schmerel  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:14:17am

Thank G-d for screen shots!

321 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:14:21am

re: #308 LanceKates

great movie.

especially the entire song there to rip on the pearl harbor movie.... and the theme song.

I also liked "... you're gonna need a MONTAGE! (Montage!)... even Rocky had a MONTAGE! (Montage!)..."

322 phoenixgirl  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:14:25am

re: #317 LanceKates

There is no I... but there is a M and an E. that spells "me"

heh.

I hated that saying as much as "Remember Team stands for 'together everyone achieves more!"

blech. How about this. we each do our own job so that no one else has to do it for them and so that we've accomplished something as a functional member of society, taking personal responsibility for our own actions?

I'm sure we can make an acronym out of it for the buzzword minded.

you know what i hate, those stupid inspirational posters......

323 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:14:29am

re: #300 lawhawkre: #267 tfc3rid

How did we, the greatest country on Earth, get saddled with such incredibly sub par choices for the most powerful office in the land at a time when we need the leadership of an unwavering and fearless person, man or woman?

The law of averages...


Frankly, I'd rather we put the medocres into the government, and let the real geniuses run our buisnesses. Imagine having smart people run the government, and get a taste of power. You know, the less government is the better government, and all that.

324 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:14:39am

In other news, after an extensive and exhausting search I finally found a carbon footprint.

325 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:14:58am

re: #303 jamgarr

You are correct - Civil War included

326 OneGyT  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:15:09am

re: #306 Occasional Reader

She's "brilliant, accomplished and beautiful". According to... Michelle Obama.

Now that is hilarious! Did she also say she's a pretty darn good physician?

327 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:15:19am

re: #304 LanceKates

heh. I wonder if he's been on Art Bell's radio show. (whoever hosts it now)

Maybe the anal probe was just too much.

328 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:15:25am
329 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:15:28am

re: #320 Lawrence Schmerel

Thank G-d for screen shots!

I wonder if Rev. Wright is yelling, right now, "God BLESS Screenshots? No No NO!. God [BLEEP] Screen Shots!"

330 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:16:16am

re: #311 badsysop

I think "I'm John McCain, and I don't approve this ad." may as well be put on most of the ads this campaign season.

What a freakin' jackass. "Being nice" is going to land him with few votes. Left wingers may "applaud" his actions but sure aren't going to vote for him. He's going to alienate die hard republicans even more.

I had hope, but John McCain is trying to rob me of that hope. Who is his advisor? He needs a kick in the gonads.

That bumper sticker mentioned is SOOooo right on the money.


I disagree. I think he knows that his best chance is winning as many crossovers as he can.

331 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:16:19am

re: #313 phoenixgirl

but there is a "ME"!

As in, what can this employee do for ME?!

332 profitsbeard  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:16:30am

Barack- the incredible shrinking candidate.

Pay no attention to that Michelle behind the screen!

(Or Ayers or Dohrn or Rev. Wright or Farrakhan...)

333 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:16:45am

re: #322 phoenixgirl

you know what i hate, those stupid inspirational posters......

There was one I saw, I wish I remembered where, that showed someone eating cheese puffs holding a beer, surrounded by trash.

caption said "Why give a F***?"

I had one with a tank, turret pointed at you, that said "Be the first, the fastest and the one with the biggest gun."

334 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:16:58am

re: #316 yochanan

the eastern part of tenn was pro unionist during the civil war, and sessch traitors commited war crimes on the unionist population when they occupied it.

the tenn bridge burners were unspoken unionist heros

Unspoken AMERICAN heros.

335 badsysop  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:17:44am

re: #329 LanceKates

I wonder if Rev. Wright is yelling, right now, "God BLESS Screenshots? No No NO!. God [BLEEP] Screen Shots!"

The U.S. of Alt Prt Scr.

336 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:17:46am

re: #323 Golem Akbar

Ah yeah, I can do without having the "best and brightest" running our government again, thankew very much!

337 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:18:00am

re: #317 LanceKates

taking personal responsibility for our own actions

You must not be a fan of BHO.

338 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:18:07am
339 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:18:29am

re: #322 phoenixgirl

you know what i hate, those stupid inspirational posters......


but, but , but . . . all the pretty sailboats and sheer cliffs!

340 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:18:33am

re: #337 MandyManners

You must not be a fan of BHO.

Yeah, but that's because I'm a typical white person.

*wink*

341 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:18:45am

re: #323 Golem Akbar

re: #267 tfc3rid


Frankly, I'd rather we put the medocres into the government, and let the real geniuses run our buisnesses. Imagine having smart people run the government, and get a taste of power. You know, the less government is the better government, and all that.

There's a classic political science essay titled "Why Great Men Don't Become President", which makes exactly that point.

342 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:18:53am
343 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:19:02am

re: #338 buzzsawmonkey

Michelle Obama is Cynthia McKinney with an Ivy degree, wardrobe consultants and better dentition.

Maria Pinto!

344 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:19:22am

bbiab

345 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:19:34am

re: #284 MandyManners

re: #277 wolfie

Much funnier how the former slaves are.

The Dems are everything for everyone.

It wasn't always that way. Before the FDR days, most African-Americans voted Republican, a legacy from Reconstruction days.

346 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:19:45am

re: #321 Occasional Reader

I also liked "... you're gonna need a MONTAGE! (Montage!)... even Rocky had a MONTAGE! (Montage!)..."


I love when Cartman sings on South Park - like when he travels back to 1776: "I'm so glad Stan and Kyle aren't here I hate those guys... seriously..."

347 blue_like_jazz  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:19:57am

re: #322 phoenixgirl

michelle obama's motto!

348 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:19:57am

re: #258 BabbaZee

I see you, Obamanable Snowjobman.
Same shit, different racists.

He's trollin' down the river.

349 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:20:15am

re: #322 phoenixgirl

you know what i hate, those stupid inspirational posters......

Like this one?

350 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:20:28am

re: #325 MandyManners

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I like the ties. My son went to 'Ol Miss and they did the same thing.

351 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:20:56am

re: #328 buzzsawmonkey

How Crusoe-esque. And it's Friday, to boot.

Oh yeah, it was a pretty dangerous adventure. Many foul beasts attempted to block my path.

352 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:20:58am

Why does Michelle Obama remind me of the angry state employee working in the DMV?

353 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:21:00am

re: #322 phoenixgirl

you know what i hate, those stupid inspirational posters......

Heh. I have one in my office - it's a picture of a dejected athlete with the caption: "Failure - When your very best still isn't good enough."

354 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:21:21am

re: #340 LanceKates
Hey Lance! No, it's because you're a Typical White Person who Clings to his Gun and Faith. And you're supposed to be bitter, too.
They want bitter - just have BHO elected POTUS then they'll see BITTER.

355 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:21:29am

re: #346 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I love when Cartman sings on South Park - like when he travels back to 1776: "I'm so glad Stan and Kyle aren't here I hate those guys... seriously..."

"Christmas isn't Christmas, without a... Swiss Colony Beef Log..."

To me, it isn't Christmas without hearing Cartman sing that.

356 blue_like_jazz  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:21:39am

go HERE for more hilarity!

357 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:22:01am

re: #352 tfc3rid

Why does Michelle Obama remind me of the angry state employee working in the DMV?

Because you're a typical white person?

358 Intrepid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:22:08am

re: #316 yochanan

the eastern part of tenn was pro unionist during the civil war, and sessch traitors commited war crimes on the unionist population when they occupied it.

the tenn bridge burners were unspoken unionist heros

One of my mom's side's ancestors was an East TN bridge burner (last name Haun, first name either Charles or Alexander?, can't remember which) and was hung for it.

Dad's ancestors were involved in the noble art distilling and selling corn squeezin's.

That boils down to me wanting to do something courageously patriotic, but needing a couple good liquid belts first.

359 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:22:09am
360 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:22:19am

re: #354 realwest

Hey Lance! No, it's because you're a Typical White Person who Clings to his Gun and Faith. And you're supposed to be bitter, too.
They want bitter - just have BHO elected POTUS then they'll see BITTER.

given the rants against me in recent weeks, I think I have sufficiently proven my bitterness.

What I don't understand is, if I'm grabbing my firearms with one hand, my bible with the other..... how do I drink my booze?

361 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:22:30am

re: #346 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I love when Cartman sings on South Park - like when he travels back to 1776: "I'm so glad Stan and Kyle aren't here I hate those guys... seriously..."

Heh. Wednesday's was pretty good. Reminded me a lot of Die Hard.

362 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:22:43am

re: #345 HDrepub Actually probably more a legacy of Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation.

363 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:22:46am

re: #330 jamgarr
re: #311 badsysop

I think "I'm John McCain, and I don't approve this ad." may as well be put on most of the ads this campaign season.

What a freakin' jackass. "Being nice" is going to land him with few votes. Left wingers may "applaud" his actions but sure aren't going to vote for him. He's going to alienate die hard republicans even more.

I had hope, but John McCain is trying to rob me of that hope. Who is his advisor? He needs a kick in the gonads.

That bumper sticker mentioned is SOOooo right on the money.


I disagree. I think he knows that his best chance is winning as many crossovers as he can.

Let's not mistake the public John McCain with the politician. A lot of people inside the major MSM are getting info on Obama/Hillary from sources that are politically motivated. I doubt the McCain campaign is asleep at the wheel.

364 yochanan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:23:05am

In a June 8, 1861, referendum, East Tennessee held firm against separation, while West Tennessee returned an equally heavy majority in favor. The deciding vote came in Middle Tennessee, which went from 51 percent against secession in February to 88 percent in favor in June.

Having ratified by popular vote its connection with the fledgling Confederacy, Tennessee became the last state to withdraw from the Union.

People in East Tennessee, the only area of the state that did not practice slavery on a wide scale, continued to be firmly against Tennessee's move to leave the Union, as were many in other parts of the state, particularly in historically Whig portions of West Tennessee.[17] Tennesseans representing twenty-six East Tennessee counties met twice in Greenville and Knoxville and agreed to secede from Tennessee. They petitioned the state legislature in Nashville, which denied their request to secede and sent Confederate troops under Felix Zollicoffer to occupy East Tennessee and prevent secession. East Tennessee supplied significant quantities of troops for the Federal army, while the rest of Tennessee was a prime recruiting area for the Confederate army. (See also Nickajack). Many East Tenneseans engaged in guerrilla warfare against state authorities by burning bridges, cutting telegraph wires, and spying.[18] East Tennessee became an early base for the Republican Party.

365 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:23:17am

re: #355 Occasional Reader

"Christmas isn't Christmas, without a... Swiss Colony Beef Log..."

To me, it isn't Christmas without hearing Cartman sing that.

I have the South Park Christmas CD - so wrong, but so funny.

366 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:23:20am

re: #353 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Despair.com. When your best simply sucks.

Their demotivators are excellent.

367 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:23:23am

It is too bad that they made Cartman into an anti-semite.

If not for that, he'd be my hero, what with his hatred of hippies and such.

368 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:23:31am

re: #310 realwest

Paul McCartney? Isn't he the one who looked like a broad.

369 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:23:45am

re: #357 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Because you're a typical bitter white person?


Fixed that for ya...

370 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:23:49am

re: #353 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Heh. I have one in my office - it's a picture of a dejected athlete with the caption: "Failure - When your very best still isn't good enough."

Despair.com

I have the 12 month calendar hanging right behind me in my office... No one can miss it!

371 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:23:54am

re: #360 LanceKates

What I don't understand is, if I'm grabbing my firearms with one hand, my bible with the other..... how do I drink my booze?

Answer

372 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:24:00am

re: #359 taxfreekiller

Who's Cartman?

Eric Cartman.

373 chinesearithmetic  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:24:17am

Trying to sneak jihad past Charles Johnson is like trying to sneak the sunrise past the rooster.

374 Is it me?  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:24:38am

To Jammie, Ward and realwest
I'm very pleased to hear good news!

As I'm rather behind, having been ill myself the last 2 months or so (inc a short stay in hospital) - the tea light and incense are burning for each and everyone:
Inc someone who was going to have surgery today
Our little Marine (?murquad)
British troops
American troops
Canadian troops
Danish troops
And our other allies in Iraq and Afghanistan
To one and all on the prayer list

Regards

375 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:24:39am

re: #352 tfc3rid ROFL!
She reminds me of the angry person RUNNING the DMV office! LOL!

376 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:24:49am

re: #369 lawhawk

Fixed that for ya...

Yeah, I guess I am... Well, now I like, totally support Obama...

377 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:24:54am

re: #371 Occasional Reader

Answer

huh.

can you get hit with DWI if you're riding a bicycle if drunk?

378 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:25:15am

I mean, *I* don't drink when I go riding on my bicycle, but that's because I'm armed.

379 Diamond Bullet  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:25:25am

re: #367 LanceKates

It is too bad that they made Cartman into an anti-semite.

If not for that, he'd be my hero, what with his hatred of hippies and such.

He also was the only person on the show who loved their equivalent of Jar Jar Binks.

380 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:25:28am

re: #365 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I have the South Park Christmas CD - so wrong, but so funny.

Remember all the Christian riots that broke out all around the world over Kenny and Mr. Hankey's rendition of "You can [deleted] all the [deleted] you want and still be a virgin... Mary"?

381 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:25:29am

Ok, time for me to go engage in office mini-golf. (don't ask.)

382 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:25:49am

re: #361 Honorary Yooper

Heh. Wednesday's was pretty good. Reminded me a lot of Die Hard.

This season hasn't wowed me like the last few - the Scientology episode, the Michael Jackson episode, taking on the Cartoon jihad & 9/11 Troothers, Die Hippie Die - I can watch them over & over again.

383 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:25:53am

re: #338 buzzsawmonkey

It's twue. One ding up.

384 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:26:37am

Obama’s Real Bill Ayers Problem
The ex-Weatherman is now a radical educator with influence.

Indeed, the education department at the University of Illinois is a hotbed for the radical education professoriate. As Ayers puts it in one of his course descriptions, prospective K–12 teachers need to “be aware of the social and moral universe we inhabit and . . . be a teacher capable of hope and struggle, outrage and action, a teacher teaching for social justice and liberation.” Ayers’s texts on the imperative of social-justice teaching are among the most popular works in the syllabi of the nation’s ed schools and teacher-training institutes. One of Ayers’s major themes is that the American public school system is nothing but a reflection of capitalist hegemony. Thus, the mission of all progressive teachers is to take back the classrooms and turn them into laboratories of revolutionary change.
385 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:26:47am

re: #356 blue_like_jazz
Hi there! Hope you're doing well!
And I'm sorry if I've asked you this before, but why is a good Southern girl from North Carolina sporting that avatar?!

386 Daisy  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:26:48am

re: #352 tfc3rid

Why does Michelle Obama remind me of the angry state employee working in the DMV?

Because, like the angry DMV worker, she's living in a Socialist subculture of the USA - one in which her employment is guaranteed for life, thanks to race merchants like herself.

It's a Leftist thing: arrogance for life.

387 yochanan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:27:25am

re: #358 Intrepid

One of my mom's side's ancestors was an East TN bridge burner (last name Haun, first name either Charles or Alexander?, can't remember which) and was hung for it.

Dad's ancestors were involved in the noble art distilling and selling corn squeezin's.

That boils down to me wanting to do something courageously patriotic, but needing a couple good liquid belts first.

THEY ARE HERO'S IN MY HEART, MAY HIS SOUL BE BLESSED.

388 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:27:26am

re: #315 badsysop

Good one! Remember to use it when Fox gets nailed for lousy reporting.

389 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:29:07am
390 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:29:40am

re: #319 BabbaZee

That'd be perfect for a diddler priest thread. LOL.

391 Shug  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:29:42am

re: #2 MandyManners

They must think we're stupid.

No, but the majority of their supporters are and they know it.

Unfortunately, just enough people with a critical mass bwtween their ears are having their eyes opened to Barry O

392 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:29:53am

re: #323 Golem Akbar

re: #267 tfc3rid


Frankly, I'd rather we put the medocres into the government, and let the real geniuses run our buisnesses. Imagine having smart people run the government, and get a taste of power. You know, the less government is the better government, and all that.

It would appear that you got your wish.

393 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:30:11am
394 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:30:25am

re: #354 realwest

Bitterness a problem? Just add more syrup to your waffles.

395 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:30:49am

re: #381 LanceKates

Ok, time for me to go engage in office mini-golf. (don't ask.)

Is that when you putz around for the rest of the day?

396 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:31:38am

re: #394 Kenneth

Bitterness a problem? Just add more syrup to your waffles.

RACIST!

397 Shug  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:32:05am

Barry O from Puniho
Had a friend named hatem elhady
Hamas is in
When Barry gets the win
But now all ties are far too shady

398 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:32:34am

re: #374 Is it me? Thank you, I'm very pleased to report it.
Uh, what is it you've been ill with and how are you coming along?
Feel free to e-mail me if it's not something you want out here on LGF; my nic's in blue!

399 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:32:39am

re: #328 buzzsawmonkey

How Crusoe-esque. And it's Friday, to boot.

Boot? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

400 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:32:43am

re: #395 sparrowlake

When I worked @ WPAFB as an IT contractor, we used to go up to the VFW in Fairborn for Taco Fridays, served with pitchers of cheap beer.

We called those "Safety Meetings"

Those were some fun Fridays.

401 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:32:56am

re: #364 yochanan



East Tennessee supplied significant quantities of troops for the Federal army, while the rest of Tennessee was a prime recruiting area for the Confederate army.

The rest of state provided a good share of Union volunteers too. A lot of men chose neither and managed to stay out if it as best they could. One of my gg grandfathers enlisted in a CSA regiment in early 1863 and deserted in May, never returning. How he managed to escape both sides during that time is a mystery I have yet to research. Braxton Bragg was executing deserters around that time in the war.

402 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:32:58am
403 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:33:11am

re: #393 taxfreekiller

#363

Of some note:

Example of Juan McCain's advisor's.

Juan Hernandez dual citizen, U.T. Loon Prof. and former member of the Mexican Government, and full bore open border flood America with wage slaves from Mexico.

that is the ice berg above water

Mornin' TFK... isn't it amazing how every presidential candidate we have thinks so little of us that they surround themselves with people who are strongly anti-American? They don't really seem to give a damn at all....

404 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:33:14am

US finds new Iran-made weapons in Iraq
(Reuters)

25 April 2008

NEW YORK - The U.S. military says it has found caches of newly made Iranian weapons in Iraq, leading senior officials to think that Iran is still shipping weapons to Iraq, even though it pledged not to, the Wall Street Journal reported on Friday.

Well, that's a surprise!

405 mattm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:33:22am

The things I don't want you to know, are the thigs I will try to prevent you for knowing so we can unite this country with change and hope for the future.

/Barry off

406 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:33:58am

re: #404 Kenneth

US finds new Iran-made weapons in Iraq
(Reuters)

25 April 2008


Well, that's a surprise!

But... but... they promised!

407 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:34:06am

re: #398 realwest

Howdy, Real! Going to pick up me dear ol' Mam from the hospital again this afternoon. 2 times in (I think) as many weeks.

I saw your email last night, but I had about 70 or so that I'm still trying to reply to.

408 phoenixgirl  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:34:50am

re: #347 blue_like_jazz

michelle obama's motto!

roflmao........

her other motto may be "my shit don't stink"

409 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:34:52am

re: #406 Occasional Reader

This is getting serious... better send Jhimmi to give them a talkin' to.

410 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:35:15am

re: #396 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Bitterness a problem? Just add more syrup to your waffles.

Then you can HOPE that they CHANGE

411 Intrepid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:35:20am

re: #387 yochanan

THEY ARE HERO'S IN MY HEART, MAY HIS SOUL BE BLESSED.

My uncle did a lot of research on him, including accounts of his imprisonment prior to execution. We have copies of it around here somewhere.

Yeah, those who make such sacrifices for what they know to be right and just are indeed heroes.

412 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:36:01am

re: #352 tfc3rid

Why does Michelle Obama remind me of the angry state employee working in the DMV?

BIG DMV IS RIPPING US OFF!

413 Alouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:36:02am

re: #355 Occasional Reader

"Christmas isn't Christmas, without a... Swiss Colony Beef Log..."

To me, it isn't Christmas without hearing Cartman sing that.

My favorite song is Mr. Garrison's Merry Fuckin' Christmas

414 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:36:05am

re: #404 Kenneth

US finds new Iran-made weapons in Iraq
(Reuters)

25 April 2008


Well, that's a surprise!

Gasp!
/
Mornin' all.

415 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:36:48am

Hoype!

416 Shug  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:36:50am

re: #412 MandyManners

BIG DMV IS RIPPING US OFF!

She reminds me of Omarosa

417 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:37:04am

re: #395 sparrowlake Nah, I think - I've been told that mini-golf is a free computer game and it really sucks because the ball never goes where you aim it

418 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:37:28am

re: #345 HDrepub

It wasn't always that way. Before the FDR days, most African-Americans voted Republican, a legacy from Reconstruction days.

I could take this to the same debate StorageManager and GallopingGranny had yesterday on the DT but, I won't.

419 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:37:42am

re: #413 Alouette

My favorite song is Mr. Garrison's Merry Fuckin' Christmas

How about let's all sing Kyle's Mom's a Bitch, in D minor?

420 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:38:00am

re: #350 jamgarr

I like the ties. My son went to 'Ol Miss and they did the same thing.

Ol' Miss ripped us off!

421 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:38:27am

re: #400 BulgarWheat
Hey Bulgar! How are ya today? Didja get my e-mail from last night?!

422 Alouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:38:33am

re: #382 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

This season hasn't wowed me like the last few - the Scientology episode, the Michael Jackson episode, taking on the Cartoon jihad & 9/11 Troothers, Die Hippie Die - I can watch them over & over again.

"Runaway Penis" was a classic.

423 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:38:50am
424 guzziguy  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:39:13am

On topic...
How does one become a "friend of __________ on the bHo site? Does it take an action by the friend or can someone creating a page do it without permission?

I'm curious because obviously it's much more damning if she chose to have her name linked there.

425 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:39:41am

re: #418 MandyManners

r

e: #345 HDrepub

It wasn't always that way. Before the FDR days, most African-Americans voted Republican, a legacy from Reconstruction days.

I could take this to the same debate StorageManager and GallopingGranny had yesterday on the DT but, I won't.

It goes much deeper than that Mandy, and would require several threads to discuss this era of US history.

426 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:39:55am

re: #404 Kenneth Boy, I'll say - who'd a thunk Iran was, ya know, not being completely truthful?!

427 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:39:59am

re: #424 guzziguy

you can agree or you can deny, she obviously made her choice.

428 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:40:20am

Michelle Obama anagram
I am mole bleach.

429 Spiny Norman  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:40:32am
The Profile URL you have entered does not exist.

See? There's nothing goin on there! The Right-wing smear machine is making this all up! You scum will stop at nothing to stop Change and Hope for this country!

RACISTS!

/media matters

430 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:40:33am

re: #347 blue_like_jazz

This is my favorite from that. Can we say "socialist utopia"?

/besides, it has a picture of Paree
//but I repeat myself

431 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:40:38am

re: #419 HDrepub

How about let's all sing Kyle's Mom's a Bitch, in D minor?


The "international" version is ever better - with Chinese, Dutch & African kids singing along.

432 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:40:41am

re: #424 guzziguy

A key question, the answer of which might be explosive, metaphorically speaking.

433 zmdavid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:40:44am

re: #423 buzzsawmonkey
In Revolution Class shouldn't you get extra credit for killing the teacher?

434 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:40:52am

The genocide thread is still chugging along.
*sigh*

435 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:41:05am

re: #426 realwest

Boy, I'll say - who'd a thunk Iran was, ya know, not being completely truthful?!

If you can't trust Shi'ite Islamist theofascists, who CAN you trust? What is the world coming to?

436 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:41:13am

re: #391 Shug

No, but the majority of their supporters are and they know it.

Unfortunately, just enough people with a critical mass bwtween their ears are having their eyes opened to Barry O

I've seen it happening all around me. And, I bet it's gonna' happen all over North Carolina soonest!

437 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:41:14am
438 guzziguy  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:41:16am

re: #427 BulgarWheat

you can agree or you can deny, she obviously made her choice.

Ahh, that's what I wanted to know. It took an contributory action from her.

439 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:41:29am

re: #434 Killgore Trout

The genocide thread is still chugging along.
*sigh*

But has it evolved?

440 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:41:57am

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

You make up your own grade, of course.

441 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:42:15am

re: #428 bosforus

Michelle Obama anagram
I am mole bleach.

I Am Lame-O Blech

442 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:42:15am

re: #423 buzzsawmonkey

(Hege)Mony, -Mony
--with apologies to Tommy James and the Shondells

Capitalist hegemony, -mony.
Gotta get rid of that evil hegemony.
Hey, it gave me freedom but that's not all right now.
I gotta throw bombs for the proletarian fight,
And I'll feel all right.
I say Yeah (Yeah) Yeah (Yeah) .........
'Cause you make me feel
(Hegemony) so (Hegemony) mad. (Hegemony) ........
Well I feel so mad, Yeah (Yeah) Yeah (Yeah) ....
Break you, shake you, Hegemony
Destroy that capitalist Hegemony,
Keep agitatin', it feels so good Yeah
Hey don't stop now. Hey, come on! Mony,
Hegemony Yeah!
(Yeah) Yeah (Yeah) Yeah.....
'Cause You make me feel
(Hegemony) so (Hegemony) mad. (Hegemony) ........
Well I feel so mad, Yeah (Yeah) Yeah (Yeah) ...
Ooh I hate you Hegemony, Hegemony .....
Yeah ......
Come on, ....

Once again, I'm fallin' fer ya'. buzz.

443 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:42:29am

re: #424 guzziguy

Just write a check. Presto! You are a friend.

444 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:42:53am

re: #425 HDrepub

r


It goes much deeper than that Mandy, and would require several threads to discuss this era of US history.

Threads? More like a whole blog!

445 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:43:10am

re: #420 MandyManners
Uh, Ole Miss didn't rip all of us off - NY WORLD CHAMPION GIANTS quarterback and SUPERBOWL MVP Eli Manning was from Ole Miss!

446 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:43:11am

re: #428 bosforus

Michelle Obama anagram
I am mole bleach.

YES!

447 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:43:13am

re: #400 BulgarWheat

When I worked @ WPAFB as an IT contractor, we used to go up to the VFW in Fairborn for Taco Fridays, served with pitchers of cheap beer.

We called those "Safety Meetings"

Those were some fun Fridays.

I knew a guy years ago (a machinist from OH), and he called his Friday-morning-after-third-shift happy hours "safety meetings".

448 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:43:16am

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

But then who would give you your grade?

The People's Revolutionary Movement only gives two grades:

WITH

or

AGAINST (bang).

449 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:44:07am

re: #448 OldLineTexan

True.

450 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:44:13am

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

But then who would give you your grade?

The TA, and you know he'd give it to you after seeing you off the prof.

451 Spiny Norman  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:44:17am

re: #434 Killgore Trout

The genocide thread is still chugging along.
*sigh*

Maybe the troublemakers will stay there.

:^þ

452 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:44:25am

re: #448 OldLineTexan

The People's Revolutionary Movement only gives two grades:

WITH

or

AGAINST (bang).

Everyone passes course.
Everyone else never existed.

453 zmdavid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:44:30am

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

But then who would give you your grade?


Grades are "nothing but a reflection of capitalist hegemony".

454 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:44:35am

re: #445 realwest

Uh, Ole Miss didn't rip all of us off - NY WORLD CHAMPION GIANTS quarterback and SUPERBOWL MVP Eli Manning was from Ole Miss!


Saw him play in Oxford (when Deuce McCallister was the headliner)

455 Alouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:44:44am

re: #431 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The "international" version is ever better - with Chinese, Dutch & African kids singing along.

It also had French cancan dancers

456 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:45:22am
457 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:45:36am

re: #445 realwest

Uh, Ole Miss didn't rip all of us off - NY WORLD CHAMPION GIANTS quarterback and SUPERBOWL MVP Eli Manning was from Ole Miss!

It would've been awesome to be a girl in that family. Between Eli and Peyton, all kinds of guys would've been around.

458 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:45:50am

re: #439 OldLineTexan

It did for a little while but then Charles suggested we not mention Darwin.

459 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:45:53am

re: #434 Killgore Trout

Uh, by the old Genocide Thread I figure you mean the GOV thread? It's STILL GOING ON?! WTF?

460 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:46:04am
461 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:46:05am

Credit Where It's Due Dept.:

Out of morbid curiosity, I watched The Daily Show last night. Been a while. I do have to say, Stewart did a pretty brilliant takedown of a certain element of Hillary hypocrisy. Basically it was a series of video clips showing the evolution (sorry) of her statements about the primaries during the course of the campaign, from a cheery "the voters will decide" when she the front-runner, to "well, voters are an important part of the process, but... (superdelegates are much smarter and more important)" more recently. This was interspersed with her various sour grapes remarks after Obama victories. Very well done.

462 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:46:07am

re: #416 Shug

She reminds me of Omarosa

OH MY GOD, SHE DOES!

BIG TRUMP IS RIPPING US OFF!

463 OrzBorz  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:46:11am

I guess we know why he can't just eat his waffle.

464 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:46:13am

re: #444 MandyManners

re: #425 HDrepub
It goes much deeper than that Mandy, and would require several threads to discuss this era of US history.

Threads? More like a whole blog!

Just always keep in mind the victor gets to write the history of it.

465 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:46:43am

re: #457 MandyManners

It would've been awesome to be a girl in that family. Between Eli and Peyton, all kinds of guys would've been around.

With Eli & Peyton (not to mention Dad Archie) around, I think most boys would be terrified to date any Manning daughters!

466 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:46:46am

re: #456 buzzsawmonkey

We troubadors get all the hot chicks.

It's that genetically superiority emanating off of you.

467 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:46:49am

re: #447 Ward Cleaver

I bet I knew which watering hole he went to. Need one more Inn off of Needmore drive.

I've lived about 5-10 minutes from there.

468 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:46:55am

re: #445 realwest

Uh, Ole Miss didn't rip all of us off - NY WORLD CHAMPION GIANTS quarterback and SUPERBOWL MVP Eli Manning was from Ole Miss!

That staement makes up for the personal hell the Mets are putting me through...

469 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:47:12am

re: #392 rawmuse
re: #323 Golem Akbar

re: #267 tfc3rid


Frankly, I'd rather we put the medocres into the government, and let the real geniuses run our buisnesses. Imagine having smart people run the government, and get a taste of power. You know, the less government is the better government, and all that.

It would appear that you got your wish.

I once had a professor in an econ class tell me that Eisenhower was one of the best presidents ever. I guffawed at that and said that Ike never did anything as president. That, he said, is what made him so great. Business in the US grew at an amazing rate and we became the most powerful country, and the most free, in the world. That stopped me cold. He was right. The dems love powerful leaders, because they can control so much. Good, efficient government is what they love. Me, not so much.

470 zmdavid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:47:22am

re: #460 buzzsawmonkey

See my #423.

I pulled it from there, hence the quote marks.

471 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:47:44am

re: #456 buzzsawmonkey

We troubadors get all the hot chicks.

Just don't plan any trips to Bombay.

472 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:47:53am

re: #462 tfc3rid

OH MY GOD, SHE DOES!

BIG TRUMP IS RIPPING US OFF!

BIG RUMP IS TIPPING US OFF!


MO.

473 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:47:53am

re: #459 realwest

Yeah, people still at it. I didn't have time to read all the overnight posts.

474 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:48:18am

re: #464 HDrepub

Just always keep in mind the victor gets to write the history of it.

That's the interesting thing about having a centuries' long heritage in Tennessee.

475 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:48:25am

re: #436 MandyManners
Nah, N.C. is gonna go for Barry and by VERY LARGE numbers too, cause there are so man Black North Carolinians and don't call me racist, the Black vote has been over 90% for Barack Hussein Obama in EVERY primary.
Course, that's not racist.

476 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:48:27am

re: #471 Occasional Reader

Just don't plan any trips to Bombay.

Hoo-hoo!

477 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:48:55am

re: #469 Golem Akbar

I once had a professor in an econ class tell me that Eisenhower was one of the best presidents ever.

Eisenhower is one of my boyhood heroes, and is a big reason I lean the way I do.

478 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:49:09am

re: #461 Occasional Reader

I think it's a funny show. I can usually put my politics aside long enough to get a good laugh out of it.

479 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:49:24am

re: #400 BulgarWheat

It is almost criminal to work after 11:00am on Fridays.

480 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:49:38am

re: #474 MandyManners

re: #464 HDrepub

Just always keep in mind the victor gets to write the history of it.

That's the interesting thing about having a centuries' long heritage in Tennessee.

Any Confederates in your attic Mandy?

481 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:50:23am

re: #479 sparrowlake

Now a days, the popular saying on Friday is "only two more working days until Monday"

482 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:50:30am

re: #459 realwest

Uh, by the old Genocide Thread I figure you mean the GOV thread? It's STILL GOING ON?! WTF?

Yep. That it is. Charles banned at least one troll in it as well.

483 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:50:36am

re: #479 sparrowlake

It is almost criminal to work after 11:00am on Fridays.

I haven't started working yet today. I'm at work, but everything is on hold until another dept. gets some paperwork to me. And it's almost lunch time.

484 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:50:39am

re: #477 HDrepub

and is a big reason I lean the way I do.

Well, then, you need a Posture Pal!

485 CheDub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:50:52am

Poor Charles, by keeping a record of the past, he will no doubt be one of the first people visited by Prez BHO's police wanting to "convince" him such events never happened.

And we've always been at war with Eurasia.

486 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:51:03am

re: #479 sparrowlake

It is almost criminal to work after 11:00am on Fridays.

Needed a slight fix.

487 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:51:10am

re: #475 realwest

Nah, N.C. is gonna go for Barry and by VERY LARGE numbers too, cause there are so man Black North Carolinians and don't call me racist, the Black vote has been over 90% for Barack Hussein Obama in EVERY primary.
Course, that's not racist.

Wait till those Southern Baptist black folks get a load of the ad with Wright's sermon. That has not been exposed on MSM much until now.

488 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:51:12am

re: #454 jamgarr I never got to see him play while he was in college, but I sure saw him win those three playoff games and the Superbowl! (of course, not by himself, but you know what I mean!).

489 gman  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:51:19am

So this is what "change" looks like.

Like the Orwellian Ministry of Truth kind of "change"

There's more to come if he is elected.

490 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:51:40am

re: #480 HDrepub

Any Confederates in your attic Mandy?

You betcha'! Some Unionists, too.

491 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:52:02am

re: #467 BulgarWheat

I bet I knew which watering hole he went to. Need one more Inn off of Needmore drive.

I've lived about 5-10 minutes from there.

I was trying to remember what town he was from (not a big one) in Ohio. I met when he lived here in Texas. We're talking around 1980. Lots of cobwebs to clear.

492 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:52:49am

re: #458 Killgore Trout

It did for a little while but then Charles suggested we not mention Darwin.

Oh, Lord. Intelligent Intervention.

493 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:53:00am

Incoming! This thread just got listed at Hot Air... expect a surge, crank up the hamsters, Charles!

494 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:53:08am

re: #477 HDrepub

Eisenhower is one of my boyhood heroes, and is a big reason I lean the way I do.

OK, since someone brought up Ike, can someone explain what he meant by "military-industrial complex?" Liberals love to bring that line up, but he couldn't have meant it in the conspiratorial context that liberals do, could he?

495 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:53:13am

re: #467 BulgarWheat

I bet I knew which watering hole he went to. Need one more Inn off of Needmore drive.

I've lived about 5-10 minutes from there.

What town was that in?

496 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:53:29am

re: #491 Ward Cleaver

That would have been Dayton

497 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:53:36am

re: #468 tfc3rid LOL! But think about how bad the Jets' fans feel?!

498 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:54:08am
499 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:55:22am

re: #473 Killgore Trout
Some very crazy folks on that thread, iirc. Don't suppose it's improved any with age, either.

500 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:56:35am

re: #479 sparrowlake

It is almost criminal to work after 11:00am on Fridays.

Well, then I guess I'd better stop. I don't want to be a criminal.
But since I want to keep my job, I'll have to go back to work after lunch.

501 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:56:36am

re: #499 realwest

Some very crazy folks on that thread, iirc. Don't suppose it's improved any with age, either.

You talked me into it. bbiab.

502 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:56:49am

re: #496 BulgarWheat

That would have been Dayton

This was a smaller town. I'll think of it. It's not Findlay, but maybe it started with F.

503 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:57:36am

re: #493 Kenneth

Incoming! This thread just got listed at Hot Air... expect a surge, crank up the hamsters, Charles!

Everyone! Comb your hair and brush the waffle crumbs off your mouths!

504 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:57:45am

re: #490 MandyManners

re: #480 HDrepub

Any Confederates in your attic Mandy?

You betcha'! Some Unionists, too.


Most of mine were Rebs, but none were slave owners or large landowners, just po' white trash. I have many Alabama ancestors on my paternal grandmother's line.
One of my gg grandfather's brothers ended up in the Union Army out in Nebraska Territory by way of Rock Island Illinois Union Prison. Died out there of typhoid, in May 1865. I located his grave and put a handful of TN soil in it. Ft. McPherson National Cemetery at Maxwell NE, near North Platte.

505 morning star  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:58:00am

re: #311 badsysop


I had hope, but John McCain is trying to rob me of that hope. Who is his advisor? He needs a kick in the gonads.
.

McCain's advisor is a former Democrat who admires Obama.

506 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:58:07am

re: #492 OldLineTexan

Heh.

507 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:59:07am

re: #477 HDrepub Me too and I'll tell ya, Ike wasn't an "activist" pres, but he stood up for the constitution and Black Americans (actually ALL Americans) when he stuck it to Govenor Orville Forbus - threatening to send in the 82nd Abn if they didn't allow Blacks into formerly all white schools, thereby upholding the rule of law as set out by the SCOTUS in the famous case of Brown Vs. The Board of Education.
Barry and Michelle probably hate Ike, too.

508 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:59:27am
509 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:59:30am

re: #497 realwest

LOL! But think about how bad the Jets' fans feel?!

I'm sure they will feel worse after this weekend's NFL Draft based on their stellar draft history!

510 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:59:30am

re: #469 Golem Akbar

re: #323 Golem Akbar

re: #267 tfc3rid
I once had a professor in an econ class tell me that Eisenhower was one of the best presidents ever. I guffawed at that and said that Ike never did anything as president. That, he said, is what made him so great. Business in the US grew at an amazing rate and we became the most powerful country, and the most free, in the world. That stopped me cold. He was right. The dems love powerful leaders, because they can control so much. Good, efficient government is what they love. Me, not so much.

Of course, it did not hurt that a lot of the post war world lie in smoking ruins, while we in the US had a functioning industrial infrastructure.

511 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:59:31am

re: #446 MandyManners

YES!

Took a while but I think I've got one for ya,
MandyManners anagram
Men ran. Damn. Sy.

512 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 8:59:55am

re: #475 realwest

Nah, N.C. is gonna go for Barry and by VERY LARGE numbers too, cause there are so man Black North Carolinians and don't call me racist, the Black vote has been over 90% for Barack Hussein Obama in EVERY primary.
Course, that's not racist.

Has the MSM set a "spread" for NC? Or perhaps I should ask if ABC & the Clintonistas have. The Obamites' spin re Pennsylvania was that for Hillary to "win," she would have to win by double digits.
I think if Obama loses big w/ the white vote in NC, superdelegates may take notice.

513 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:00:44am

re: #502 Ward Cleaver

Fairborn, maybe. There are several others where you might find tool and die shops. Vandalia, Troy, Tipp City, Huber Heights (Huber 'tucky if you're local)

514 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:00:47am

re: #510 rawmuse

Of course, it did not hurt that a lot of the post war world lie in smoking ruins, while we in the US had a functioning industrial infrastructure.

Oh yeah, true... That was when we weren't afraid tof ight like we meant it...

515 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:01:01am

re: #507 realwest

threatening to send in the 82nd Abn

He didn't just threaten to do it... he did it.

516 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:01:02am

re: #485 CheDub Well you may be correct, but I reckon us Lizards would stand by Charles and tell 'em to piss up a rope.

517 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:01:36am

re: #504 HDrepub

Most of mine were Rebs, but none were slave owners or large landowners, just po' white trash. I have many Alabama ancestors on my paternal grandmother's line.
One of my gg grandfather's brothers ended up in the Union Army out in Nebraska Territory by way of Rock Island Illinois Union Prison. Died out there of typhoid, in May 1865. I located his grave and put a handful of TN soil in it. Ft. McPherson National Cemetery at Maxwell NE, near North Platte.

That was very sweet of you.

518 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:01:37am
519 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:02:38am

re: #487 MandyManners
Oh you mean the one that John McCain didn't want the NC Repub's to use?
I actually haven't seen it down here yet (course, I also don't watch TV all that much either!).

520 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:03:07am

re: #518 buzzsawmonkey

That was when we had a War Department instead of a "Defense Department."

The "Defense Department" has never won a war.

The best defense is a good offense!

521 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:03:17am

re: #511 bosforus

Took a while but I think I've got one for ya,
MandyManners anagram
Men ran. Damn. Sy.

That's a good one.

522 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:04:07am

re: #502 Ward Cleaver

This was a smaller town. I'll think of it. It's not Findlay, but maybe it started with F.

Okay, I think it was Fostoria.

523 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:04:39am

re: #519 realwest

Oh you mean the one that John McCain didn't want the NC Repub's to use?
I actually haven't seen it down here yet (course, I also don't watch TV all that much either!).

That's the one.

524 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:05:18am

re: #493 Kenneth GACK!
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES FOLKS ......oh wait, Hot Air, ok - a very good blog but you're right, I almost feel sorry for those hamsters!
And personally I think Charles ought to try to get ferret's to run the damn wheels!

525 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:05:43am

re: #505 morning star

McCain's advisor is a former Democrat who admires Obama.

That guy is an idiot, and McCain is an idiot for hiring him.

526 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:06:09am

re: #510 rawmuse

Of course, it did not hurt that a lot of the post war world lie in smoking ruins, while we in the US had a functioning industrial infrastructure.

True. Which, by the way, we happily helped the defeated or destroyed to rebuild. Along with a strong dose of American freedom. Not a bad legacy.

527 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:07:06am

re: #517 MandyManners

re: #504 HDrepub

Most of mine were Rebs, but none were slave owners or large landowners, just po' white trash. I have many Alabama ancestors on my paternal grandmother's line.
One of my gg grandfather's brothers ended up in the Union Army out in Nebraska Territory by way of Rock Island Illinois Union Prison. Died out there of typhoid, in May 1865. I located his grave and put a handful of TN soil in it. Ft. McPherson National Cemetery at Maxwell NE, near North Platte.

That was very sweet of you.

It only took me about nine months of research to locate him, and figured I owed him a gesture of kindness.

528 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:07:13am

re: #503 MandyManners
And quick put on your jammies! Uh, I mean, you know - dress up, yeah that's the ticket! Dress up!

529 Ben Hur  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:07:47am

Irrelavent.

It happened when Baruch was 47 years old.

530 Athos  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:08:19am

re: #525 Ward Cleaver

Unfortunately, that's not the only instance of McCain's idiocy in hiring decisions.

531 Ben Hur  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:08:35am

Irrelevant.

It's hard out there for a PIMF.

532 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:08:38am

re: #504 HDrepub

Most of mine were Rebs, but none were slave owners or large landowners, just po' white trash. I have many Alabama ancestors on my paternal grandmother's line.
One of my gg grandfather's brothers ended up in the Union Army out in Nebraska Territory by way of Rock Island Illinois Union Prison. Died out there of typhoid, in May 1865. I located his grave and put a handful of TN soil in it. Ft. McPherson National Cemetery at Maxwell NE, near North Platte.

That's a great story, and he probably appreciates the soil from TN.

533 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:08:53am

re: #505 morning starWell that sure explains a lot - hope he steps down like - TODAY!

534 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:09:02am

re: #529 Ben Hur

Irrelavent.

It happened when Baruch was 47 years old.

So his flirtation with Islamists was just a yootful indiscretion.

535 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:09:22am

New Obama campaign slogan -

"We are the stealth Hamas supporters we have been waiting for!"

536 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:09:31am

A fresh rant from Pat Condell: The curse of faith

537 BGOH  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:10:58am

OT but important!

I just had this site pointed out to me:

[Link: www.recreate68.org...]

So there is an actual organized movement to destroy the Democrat party at the convention! To quote an evil corporation: "I'm lovin' it!"

538 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:11:04am

Killed the thread?

539 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:11:24am

re: #510 rawmuse Yeah, but let's not forget the Marshall Plan either - we not only freed Europe from the Nazi's (well, western Europe anyway) but we re-built them as well.

540 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:11:32am

Bye all gotta go, granddaughter wants to use the PC. Grandkids rule ya know.

541 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:12:13am

re: #538 Killgore Trout

Killed the thread?

killGored the Thread ?

542 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:12:50am

re: #515 Occasional Reader I (happily) sit corrected!

543 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:12:59am

re: #532 Ward Cleaver

That's a great story, and he probably appreciates the soil from TN.

Actually his story is longer than that but that's the last history of him.

544 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:13:12am

re: #539 realwest

True! And best wishes for a healthy and happy day!

545 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:13:13am

Really I have to go.

546 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:13:26am

re: #541 sattv4u2

HA!

547 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:13:49am

re: #545 HDrepub

you're such a typical white person.

nice shirt

548 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:14:16am

re: #2 MandyManners

They must think we're stupid.

Now you're catching on....

549 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:14:20am

re: #503 MandyManners

Everyone! Comb your hair and brush the waffle crumbs off your mouths!

It's lunch time and Passover; no waffles. I'll wipe the chicken grease off my hands before any laurels and hearty handshakes.

550 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:14:23am

re: #528 realwest

And quick put on your jammies! Uh, I mean, you know - dress up, yeah that's the ticket! Dress up!

I got my yoga pants on. I hope that's enough. If not, I could change.

551 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:14:27am

re: #537 BGOH

OT but important!

I just had this site pointed out to me:

[Link: www.recreate68.org...]

So there is an actual organized movement to destroy the Democrat party at the convention! To quote an evil corporation: "I'm lovin' it!"

they just want to re-create 68 because the drugs were cheaper and it was the last time they got laid under the "FREE LOVE" motto

552 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:14:41am

re: #540 HDrepub

Bye!

553 ChipDWood  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:15:15am

That is very, very seriously messed up.

While I vote republican from New Jersey, and am more concerned with "knee-capping"- I think it's going to be Obama from Illinois that should be even more worried about "screen-capping".

Know what I'm sayin'? CHANGE! SERIOUSLY!

554 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:15:22am

re: #538 Killgore Trout

Killed the thread?

We're busy spiffing up for the Hotair folks.

555 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:15:23am

re: #543 HDrepub

Actually his story is longer than that but that's the last history of him.

Bless you for doing that for him.

556 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:15:26am

re: #537 BGOH

I am totally looking forward to riots in the streets of Denver. I'm hoping the nomination goes to multiple ballots. Obama's Birkenstock Army will be throwing a grade-A tantrum. I just don't want any cops injured.

557 Intrepid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:15:47am

re: #503 MandyManners

Everyone! Comb your hair and brush the waffle crumbs off your mouths!

Wait - does this font make my butt look big?

558 kafir  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:16:16am

shhhh don't tell whitey and the jooooooooooooooooooos that we really hate their guts. Not until after the election. pass the word. Pull down incriminating sites. Quick.

/sarc

559 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:16:20am

HDRepub needs to get a second PC.

560 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:16:40am
561 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:17:01am

Lizards, forgive the drop by--but:

McCain: "Clear Who Hamas Wants to be the Next President"

McCain spoke with bloggers this morning on a number of issues ranging from William Ayers to Rev. Wright to Tony Rezko. Jennifer Rubin noted that Hamas had endorsed Senator Obama and asked McCain whether Obama might have given "an unhelpful signal" to the terrorist group. McCain's response:


All I can tell you Jennifer is that I think it's very clear who Hamas wants to be the next president of the United States. So apparently has Danny Ortega and several others. I think that people should understand that I will be Hamas's worst nightmare....If senator Obama is favored by Hamas I think people can make judgments accordingly.


Earlier this month, Ahmed Yousef, chief political adviser to the Prime Minister of Hamas, told WABC radio, "We like Mr. Obama and we hope he will win the election and I do believe he is like John Kennedy." When Obama campaign manager David Axelrod was informed of the endorsement following last week's debate in Pennsylvania, he said it was "flattering when anybody says that Barack Obama would follow in [JFK's] footsteps."

Posted by Michael Goldfarb at 10:42 AM (4/25/08)
2008 | E-mail the author | E-mail article
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

562 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:17:07am

re: #548 Yankee Division Son

Now you're catching on....

Nah. I had these jokers figured out a long time ago.

563 Athos  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:17:31am

re: #551 sattv4u2

Damn that McChimpyBushitler for forcing the price of drugs up.......
/retro pinhead el cubo

564 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:17:32am

re: #557 Intrepid

Wait - does this font make my butt look big?

Only when you turn it around.

565 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:17:49am

re: #549 Kosh's Shadow

It's lunch time and Passover; no waffles. I'll wipe the chicken grease off my hands before any laurels and hearty handshakes.

No pancakes. Matza brei! [my poor stopped-up tummy]

566 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:17:53am

re: #556 doppelganglander

I am totally looking forward to riots in the streets of Denver. I'm hoping the nomination goes to multiple ballots. Obama's Birkenstock Army will be throwing a grade-A tantrum. I just don't want any cops injured.

It's not the ones in Birkenstocks I'm concerned about; it's Fueherkhan's guys in suits, and the others stirred up by the Rev Wrong and his ilk.

567 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:18:00am

re: #537 BGOH Oh I just LOVED this from their "about us" page:

"The "R-68" Alliance is made up of activists locally known as the All Nations Alliance. The All Nations Alliance sponsored the Denver City Council resolution that made Denver the first major city in the country to take a stand in opposition to the Patriot Act and was also instrumental in exposing the Denver Spy Files and the J.T.T.F.'s and F.B.I.'s role in those files, in addition to organizing numerous anti-war, anti-racism, anti-imperialism rallies actions and protest including the G-8 protest in Denver!

We believe that actions can best be coordinated by local grassroots efforts. We encourage national organizations' efforts during the convention, but we ask that you please respect the proud and rich history of organized resistance that exists in Colorado. About Us/
Assist Us Denver DNC 2008 "Re-create 68" Contact Us Home August 24 - 28, 2008 Join Us Host Us Stay In Touch With Us Financially
Support Us
Statement of Non-violence & Principles of Solidarity [said statement is on another page, but y'all can guess at what it says, realwest]

568 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:18:12am

Uh oh! Just being reported, more Iranian Fast boat cruisin a little too close to US Naval ships.

These characters really have a serious death wish or what?

569 debutaunt  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:18:12am

re: #150 Occasional Reader

And here whenever I try to tweak/fine tune a woman's breast, it quickly turns into "court order" this and "court order" that. But your guy is getting PAID for it. It just ain't fair.

That was one of the funniest scenes in Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid.

570 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:18:14am

re: #560 buzzsawmonkey

He believes in "human rights," not in individual liberty.

Did he say that? I missed it.

571 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:18:20am

re: #500 Kosh's Shadow

Well, then I guess I'd better stop. I don't want to be a criminal.
But since I want to keep my job, I'll have to go back to work after lunch.

What kind of an attitude is that?

572 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:18:26am

re: #556 doppelganglander

I am totally looking forward to riots in the streets of Denver.

Um, that ain't right.

573 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:18:59am

re: #568 BulgarWheat

Uh oh! Just being reported, more Iranian Fast boat cruisin a little too close to US Naval ships.

These characters really have a serious death wish or what?

Fire for effect.

574 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:19:10am

re: #561 alegrias

When Obama campaign manager David Axelrod was informed of the endorsement following last week's debate in Pennsylvania, he said it was "flattering when anybody says that Barack Obama would follow in [JFK's] footsteps."

The arrogance and ignorance of turning an endorsement from a terrorist into a compliment for Obama is out of this world!

575 BGOH  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:19:11am

re: #556 doppelganglander

I am totally looking forward to riots in the streets of Denver. I'm hoping the nomination goes to multiple ballots. Obama's Birkenstock Army will be throwing a grade-A tantrum. I just don't want any cops injured.

I totally agree. We do know that the police are smart, and I'm sure they have undercover detectives attending these "organizing" meetings that this kook group has thought it wise to publicize. I've no doubt that they will be prepared, but we still need to pray for their safety.

576 Syrah  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:19:12am

Hatem?

as in Hate'm?

577 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:19:23am

re: #568 BulgarWheat

Uh oh! Just being reported, more Iranian Fast boat cruisin a little too close to US Naval ships.

These characters really have a serious death wish or what?

Did we splash them?

578 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:19:24am
579 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:19:24am

re: #544 rawmuse Thank you kindly!

580 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:19:26am

re: #568 BulgarWheat

Uh oh! Just being reported, more Iranian Fast boat cruisin a little too close to US Naval ships.

These characters really have a serious death wish or what?

The ships in question are contracted for Military Sealift Command ships with a security team on board. They fired flares and air horns warning the Iranians and then fired on them when they didn't respond.

581 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:20:24am

re: #568 BulgarWheat

Uh oh! Just being reported, more Iranian Fast boat cruisin a little too close to US Naval ships.

These characters really have a serious death wish or what?

I received a report that the Navy-contracted vessel fired on the Iranian boats.

582 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:20:36am

re: #550 MandyManners

I'm sure you look just MILFy!

583 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:20:50am

re: #577 Ward Cleaver

I don't think so.

584 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:21:11am

re: #581 tfc3rid

I received a report that the Navy-contracted vessel fired on the Iranian boats.

Mercenaries? Screw 'em!

/kos

585 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:21:16am

re: #556 doppelganglander Actually, while I'm enjoying the Dem infighting, I sure hope that there aren't any riots in Denver. Truly.

586 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:21:19am

re: #572 Occasional Reader

Maybe riots is a little harsh. How about loud and disorderly demonstrations with giant paper mache puppet heads?

587 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:21:23am

re: #561 alegrias

McCain: All I can tell you Jennifer is that I think it's very clear who Hamas wants to be the next president of the United States. So apparently has Danny Ortega and several others. I think that people should understand that I will be Hamas's worst nightmare....If senator Obama is favored by Hamas I think people can make judgments accordingly.

~clapping~

588 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:21:28am

re: #582 Kenneth

I'm sure you look just MILFy!

You know it.

589 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:21:31am

re: #582 Kenneth

I'm sure you look just MILFy!

Uh oh.

590 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:21:35am

re: #568 BulgarWheat

Uh oh! Just being reported, more Iranian Fast boat cruisin a little too close to US Naval ships.

These characters really have a serious death wish or what?

I love the smell of Phalanx in the morning...

591 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:21:45am

I don't want riots in Denver, or anywhere else. What is the point of having a democracy if not to avoid bloodshed? A functioning democracy requires not only reasonable and just governance from the majority, but consent to be governed by the minority party.

592 EC Marm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:22:01am

re: #568 BulgarWheat

Uh oh! Just being reported, more Iranian Fast boat cruisin a little too close to US Naval ships.

These characters really have a serious death wish or what?


Ha! The Iranians, in highly flammable fiberglass speedboats, want to take on an armored U.S. vessel? I hope our sailors hoot the flares directly at the annoying little pests. The last place in the world you want to be is in a fiberglass boat, filled with gasoline, on fire.

593 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:22:26am

re: #530 Athos

Unfortunately, that's not the only instance of McCain's idiocy in hiring decisions.

* * *
Hello, if you read the link, you'll see Mark McKinnon the democrat worked for PRESIDENT BUSH's two elections!

594 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:22:45am
595 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:22:53am

re: #581 tfc3rid

I received a report that the Navy-contracted vessel fired on the Iranian boats.

Confirmed, contractor vessel, not a US Navy ship

596 BGOH  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:23:29am

re: #581 tfc3rid

I received a report that the Navy-contracted vessel fired on the Iranian boats.

I'm sure they will turn out to be floating medicine factories...

597 Dianna  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:23:46am

Ha! I just checked in and saw this. Scurrying like rats, are they?

Those screen shots are going to come in handy.

598 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:23:52am

re: #568 BulgarWheat

Oil Jumps Over $3 After Report On U.S. Shot Toward Iran Boat
[Link: www.foxbusiness.com...]

That boat better be at the bottom of the ocean.

599 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:23:59am

re: #592 EC Marm

Ha! The Iranians, in highly flammable fiberglass speedboats, want to take on an armored U.S. vessel? I hope our sailors hoot the flares directly at the annoying little pests. The last place in the world you want to be is in a fiberglass boat, filled with gasoline, on fire.

SissBoomBah!

600 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:24:03am

re: #593 alegrias

* * *
Hello, if you read the link, you'll see Mark McKinnon the democrat worked for PRESIDENT BUSH's two elections!

I'd heard the name before. Did he ever work in the WH press office for Bush?

601 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:24:13am

re: #561 alegrias

Flattering when "anybody" gushes over Obama? Anybody?
And this is said by his campaign manager, not some mini-flunkey?
Would he say the same thing if Osama Bin Laden endorsed Obama?
If not, why not?.... Or does this indicate he thinks Hamas is really not so bad?
GAG

602 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:24:17am

re: #578 buzzsawmonkey

.....he went into a peroration about the importance of "human rights," which makes it plain that he does not understand they are antithetical to individual liberty.


I think you're twisting the definition "human rights" just like the Canadian Human Rights Council. Keep in mind that Condell is not a multicultural leftist.

603 Athos  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:24:24am

re: #593 alegrias

Dubya isn't exactly a rocket scientist in his hiring decisions either.

604 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:24:31am

So they want to "re-create 68"? OK with me, sort of; after all, the Dems lost in 68.

605 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:25:03am

re: #592 EC Marm

Ha! The Iranians, in highly flammable fiberglass speedboats, want to take on an armored U.S. vessel? I hope our sailors hoot the flares directly at the annoying little pests. The last place in the world you want to be is in a fiberglass boat, filled with gasoline, on fire.

Suck on our .50cal.

606 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:25:15am

re: #598 bosforus

Oil Jumps Over $3 After Report On U.S. Shot Toward Iran Boat
[Link: www.foxbusiness.com...]

That boat better be at the bottom of the ocean.

Sheesh, that was one expensive round.

607 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:25:38am

re: #577 Ward Cleaver

Did we splash them?

They turned and ran. Afraid one of our bullets would hit their boat and they'd go splodey without taking any infidels with them.

608 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:25:49am

re: #592 EC Marm

They were trying to play games with a cargo ship, albeit one that had a US Navy security crew on board with 50 cal guns.

609 EC Marm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:26:03am

re: #598 bosforus

Oil Jumps Over $3 After Report On U.S. Shot Toward Iran Boat


We may consider the Iranians to be incredibly stupid, but they sure have learned how to stir the pot to keep oil prices boiling.

610 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:26:08am

re: #601 wolfie

Come on, Hamas is just fighting to liberate itself from the chains of its evil Zionist oppressors... Just like the Sadr militia in Iraq revolting against our imperialism...

/moonbat mind

611 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:26:19am

re: #607 Kosh's Shadow

They turned and ran. Afraid one of our bullets would hit their boat and they'd go splodey without taking any infidels with them.

Screw that; we should sink them.

612 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:26:23am

re: #577 Ward Cleaver

Did we splash them?

It's a boat, it's already splashed.

613 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:26:23am

re: #598 bosforus

Oil Jumps Over $3 After Report On U.S. Shot Toward Iran Boat
[Link: www.foxbusiness.com...]

That boat better be at the bottom of the ocean.

I hope so! I paid $59.00 to fill up yesterday, and that ain't chump change.

614 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:26:27am
615 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:26:27am

I despise john mccain. he'll get no money from me. I'll pull the lever for my country but that's all the support he'll get from me.

616 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:26:57am

re: #605 Ward Cleaver

Suck on our .50cal.

Not another penis thread!

617 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:27:34am

re: #609 EC Marm

We may consider the Iranians to be incredibly stupid, but they sure have learned how to stir the pot to keep oil prices boiling.

No doubt... The gas station by me went from 3.65 to 3.72 a gallon over the time I left and returned from work...

618 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:27:35am

Oh, this is good. Just found it on Drudge:

Plouffe: McCain has the racist vote anyway

David Plouffe tells Linda Douglass that real racists are probably voting Republican in any case:

"[T]he vast, vast majority of voters who would not vote for Barack Obama in November based on race are probably firmly in John McCain's camp already," he says.

Plouffe also made a four-pronged case for Obama's electability. One, primary-focused, is that Clinton has big problems too.

What a [deleted].

619 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:27:39am

re: #592 EC Marm

Ha! The Iranians, in highly flammable fiberglass speedboats, want to take on an armored U.S. vessel? I hope our sailors hoot the flares directly at the annoying little pests. The last place in the world you want to be is in a fiberglass boat, filled with gasoline, on fire.

Especially if you're carrying explosives. Didn't kill any infidels? No virgins for you!

620 Alouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:27:40am

re: #565 Golem Akbar

No pancakes. Matza brei! [my poor stopped-up tummy]

We don't do gebrokts here. Cheese omelets! Lots of fresh fruit!

621 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:27:56am

re: #612 Occasional Reader

It's a boat, it's already splashed.

Um, okay.

622 Athos  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:27:59am

re: #609 EC Marm

We may consider the Iranians to be incredibly stupid, but they sure have learned how to stir the pot to keep oil prices boiling.

I wonder who else might be stirring the pot in terms of the speculation which is helping drive up oil prices. Soros?

623 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:28:21am

re: #587 Yankee Division Son

Let's see: Obama picks up endorsements from Hamas, CAIR, & the Iranian mullahs. McCain tops the pols in Iraq. Maybe the Iraqis know something a lot of Americans don't?

624 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:28:39am

US military ship shoots at Iranian boats

A mistake in the headline, got to love the MSM

A ship contracted by the US military fired warning shots towards two Iranian boats, American defence officials said today.

The Westward Venture, a cargo vessel chartered by the US department of defence, was travelling north in international waters in the central Gulf at around 8am local time yesterday when the incident took place, the US navy said.

"They were able to avoid a serious incident by following the procedures that we use," said Commander Lydia Robertson, a spokeswoman for the US navy's Bahrain-based fifth fleet.

The ship was approached by two unidentified small boats and its crew issued "standard queries" to the vessels by radio but did not receive a response, she said. The ship then fired a flare. The boats continued to approach the cargo ship and its security team fired "a few bursts" of machine gun and rifle warning shots, Robertson said.

The ship in question is this one

625 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:28:52am
626 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:28:54am

re: #614 buzzsawmonkey

No, I'm not. "Human rights" are invariably, without exception, antithetical to individual liberty. They are an invention of the UN, meant to substitute for the rule of law and the preservation of civil rights, which allow liberty to flourish--and which the majority of the UN's member nations do not protect or honor.

I really have to disagree with both your definition, and your claim that "human rights" are "an invention of the UN". The latter simply isn't true; the concept was around for a long time before the UN was born. The fact that "human rights" is often used, distorted, as a cover for denial of liberty does not mean the concept has no intrinsic value.

627 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:28:58am

Notebook batteries running low, and June is still sleeping. May have to drop off in a minute.

628 QueenEsther  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:29:37am

re: #338 buzzsawmonkey


Michelle Obama is Cynthia McKinney with an Ivy degree, wardrobe consultants and better dentition.


Oprah's on speed dial.

629 Intrepid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:29:46am

re: #591 rawmuse

I don't want riots in Denver, or anywhere else. What is the point of having a democracy if not to avoid bloodshed? A functioning democracy requires not only reasonable and just governance from the majority, but consent to be governed by the minority party.

Well now, that seems to be our problem in today's society. Nobody wants to be told what to do! When teachers fear for their lives in the classroom and police officers in Philly are killed in record numbers in the past year, and when there is a candidate for president of the US who has ties to a subversive militant who rejoices in the possibility for indoctrination of young children - we're in deep doodoo.

630 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:30:07am

re: #587 Yankee Division Son

~clapping~


* * *
Well, McCain DID say Carter schmoozing Hamas was DISGRACEFUL!

(PS, did we note here that yesterday was the 28th anniversary of the failed Desert One attempt to rescue 52 US hostages stuck in Carter's Folly? Eight service members died when their helicopter hit a plane during a sand storm.

On the sight where 8 US military died, Iran's built a "Mosque of Thanks" and Iranians go to this site and celebrate every year, their victory over Carter & the USA.

631 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:30:14am

re: #590 Occasional Reader Hey O.R. - thanks for that, but it led me to this one:


Even better!

632 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:30:38am

re: #622 Athos

I wonder who else might be stirring the pot in terms of the speculation which is helping drive up oil prices. Soros?

And food prices. Screw the economy so people vote for the Democrats Marxists.

633 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:30:49am

re: #629 Intrepid

Just attempting to point out the obvious, as usual. :)

634 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:30:57am

re: #608 lawhawk

They were trying to play games with a cargo ship, albeit one that had a US Navy security crew on board with 50 cal guns.

Actually, I believe the security detail on those ships are made up of private contractors not military. I almost hired on with a company that did that at one time.

635 Dianna  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:31:24am

re: #594 buzzsawmonkey

Always the problem. It's why I'm not an anarchist.

636 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:31:41am
637 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:31:41am

Ready to check out. See yez all later.

638 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:32:05am

re: #596 BGOH "I'm sure they will turn out to be floating medicine aspirin factories..."
There, fixed that for ya!

639 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:32:23am

re: #618 Honorary Yooper

Oh, this is good. Just found it on Drudge:

Plouffe: McCain has the racist vote anyway

David Plouffe tells Linda Douglass that real racists are probably voting Republican in any case:

"[T]he vast, vast majority of voters who would not vote for Barack Obama in November based on race are probably firmly in John McCain's camp already," he says.

Plouffe also made a four-pronged case for Obama's electability. One, primary-focused, is that Clinton has big problems too.

What a [deleted].

Fuck Plouffe.

640 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:32:29am
641 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:32:39am

re: #637 Ward Cleaver

Ready to check out.

Don't do it, Ward! You have so much to live for!

Oh, you mean... okay, see ya later.

642 EC Marm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:32:56am

Pulled into the gas station last night and diesel was $4.449 per gallon.

643 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:33:46am

Greenpeace founder now backs nuclear power

Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore says there is no proof global warming is caused by humans, but it is likely enough that the world should turn to nuclear power - a concept tied closely to the underground nuclear testing his former environmental group formed to oppose.

The chemistry of the atmosphere is changing, and there is a high-enough risk that "true believers" like Al Gore are right that world economies need to wean themselves off fossil fuels to reduce greenhouse gases, he said.

"It's like buying fire insurance," Moore said. "We all own fire insurance even though there is a low risk we are going to get into an accident."

The only viable solution is to build hundreds of nuclear power plants over the next century, Moore told the Boise Metro Chamber of Commerce on Wednesday. There isn't enough potential for wind, solar, hydroelectric, and geothermal or other renewable energy sources, he said.

and naturally;

His critics, like Andrea Shipley, executive director of the Snake River Alliance, say he has simply sold out.

"The only reason Patrick Moore is backing something as unsafe and risky as nuclear power is he is being paid by the nuclear industry to do so," Shipley said.

644 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:33:48am

re: #632 Kosh's Shadow

And food prices. Screw the economy so people vote for the Democrats Marxists.

Well, we already see rationing...

645 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:34:14am

re: #622 Athos

I wonder who else might be stirring the pot in terms of the speculation which is helping drive up oil prices. Soros
Stan?

646 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:34:30am

re: #642 EC Marm

Pulled into the gas station last night and diesel was $4.449 per gallon.

Filled up yesterday at $3.399/gal, when it was $3.199 a week earlier.
They can buy a whole lot of Jihad indoctrination and Jihad for that.

647 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:34:43am
648 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:34:48am

re: #614 buzzsawmonkey

No, I'm not. "Human rights" are invariably, without exception, antithetical to individual liberty. They are an invention of the UN, meant to substitute for the rule of law and the preservation of civil rights, which allow liberty to flourish--and which the majority of the UN's member nations do not protect or honor.

Yes, like the human right not to be discriminated against on religious grounds is antithetical to the individual restaurant owner's liberty not to allow "Jews or Dogs" into his restaurant.

649 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:35:37am

re: #646 Kosh's Shadow

Filled up yesterday at $3.399/gal, when it was $3.199 a week earlier.
They can buy a whole lot of Jihad indoctrination and Jihad for that.

3 months ago I got gas for 2.78

650 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:35:46am

re: #591 rawmuse

I don't want riots in Denver, or anywhere else. What is the point of having a democracy if not to avoid bloodshed? A functioning democracy requires not only reasonable and just governance from the majority, but consent to be governed by the minority party.

* * *
Great post. The point of having our candidates' knowledge, skills and abilities (plus character) properly vetted & inspected is for our country to keep functioning at top levels.

(whereas, crummy democracies can't transition without imploding like Zimbabwe--where even farmers can't work because of uncertaintly & violelnce. Lord help these people)

651 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:35:47am

re: #618 Honorary Yooper Yeah and of course the Black Racist vote (which we're not supposed to talk about) will either vote 90+% for Obama as they have in EVERY PRIMARY or if Hillary is the POTUS nominee, will stay home.
What an [expletive deleted].

652 Ben Hur  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:36:27am

Plouffe: McCain has the racist vote anyway

"[T]he vast, vast majority of voters who would not vote for Barack Obama in November based on race are probably firmly in John McCain's camp already," he says.

653 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:36:51am

re: #651 realwest

Yeah and of course the Black Racist vote (which we're not supposed to talk about) will either vote 90+% for Obama as they have in EVERY PRIMARY or if Hillary is the POTUS nominee, will stay home.
What an [expletive deleted].

Dont be silly. Only the gun toting, bible thumping, typical bitter white person can be racist.

654 Intrepid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:37:01am

re: #633 rawmuse

Just attempting to point out the obvious, as usual. :)

And you always do so quite well, might I say!

/compliment for you, to show any who might be visiting that lgf is a polite place!

655 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:38:31am

re: #614 buzzsawmonkey

They are an invention of the UN, meant to substitute for the rule of law and the preservation of civil rights, which allow liberty to flourish--and which the majority of the UN's member nations do not protect or honor.


Human rights existed loooong before the UN got a hold of the term. I'm guessing Condell is a classical liberal (much like myself). The term human rights would apply more to the Bill of Rights in our constitution more than some dopey UN commission.

656 Racer X  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:38:38am

There is an old saying: If you did not know it was wrong, why did you try and hide it?

657 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:38:43am

re: #646 Kosh's Shadow

Filled up yesterday at $3.399/gal, when it was $3.199 a week earlier.
They can buy a whole lot of Jihad indoctrination and Jihad for that.

That's what I paid yesterday. Thought it was bad a couple weeks ago when was in California paying $3.75 a gallon. We're catching up quickly.

I'm dropping about $80 a week on gas.

I blame the Democrats and some Republicans.

658 Ben Hur  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:38:48am

re: #652 Ben Hur

Plouffe: McCain has the racist vote anyway

"[T]he vast, vast majority of voters who would not vote for Barack Obama in November based on race are probably firmly in John McCain's camp already," he says.

Of course it includes a Moby comment by a "Republican."

I agree with David Plouffe, but I don't agree with your exaggerated headline, he did not say it that way, it's too clintonian for the Obama camp. I used to lean Republican, but after this primary season I saw them for who they were, racists (something I'd long suspected but never wanted to seriously think about) now I'm done with them and could never be happier.

Um....Baruch is running in the DEM primary, genius.

659 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:38:54am
660 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:39:10am
661 Alouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:39:25am

re: #648 sparrowlake

Yes, like the human right not to be discriminated against on religious grounds is antithetical to the individual restaurant owner's liberty not to allow "Jews or Dogs" into his restaurant.

That is not a "human right" but a civil right to equal access in a facility that is open to the public. BTW individual restaurant owners can still disallow barefoot and shirtless.

Now explain how this so-called "human right" does not apply to the individual taxi driver's liberty not to allow "Jews, dogs or alcohol" into his cab.

662 maddogg  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:39:27am

re: #652 Ben Hur

Plouffe: McCain has the racist vote anyway

"[T]he vast, vast majority of voters who would not vote for Barack Obama in November based on race are probably firmly in John McCain's camp already," he says.

So, does the election come down to whether the Republicans can field enough racists to overcome the Democrat advantage in the moron vote?

663 yochanan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:39:45am

re: #588 MandyManners

You know it.

THE GOV'R OF ALASKA IS A M.I.L.F. FOR SURE

664 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:40:20am

re: #653 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dont be silly. Only the gun toting, bible thumping, typical bitter white person can be racist.

I'm not voting against Obama because of the color of his skin, but because of the color of his ideas - red.

665 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:40:31am
666 Ben Hur  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:40:38am

And yes, his name is now Baruch.

It came first.

And he's a settler.

Free Hawaii!

BBL.

667 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:40:52am

re: #656 Racer X

There is an old saying: If you did not know it was wrong, why did you try and hide it?

Whatever goes over the sow's back will come under her belly.

668 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:41:22am

re: #643 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Hey Kragar - wonder what Andrea Shipley thinks of the French? They get something like 70% of all their electrical energy in France from nuclear reactors.

669 Mike in Boulder  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:41:50am

Sorry if this is readily available elsewhere and I am just not seeing this but it seems this is like the third time this type of correction to Obama's website has occurred. Is there a link or something that has documented theses changes and who the involved parties are?

Thanks

670 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:42:21am
671 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:42:46am

re: #661 Alouette

That is not a "human right" but a civil right to equal access in a facility that is open to the public. BTW individual restaurant owners can still disallow barefoot and shirtless.

Now explain how this so-called "human right" does not apply to the individual taxi driver's liberty not to allow "Jews, dogs or alcohol" into his cab.

Because according to the Muslims, only they are human. The rest of us count for at best, half.

672 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:43:16am

re: #662 maddogg

So, does the election come down to whether the Republicans can field enough racists to overcome the Democrat advantage in the moron vote?

If so, the Reps are totally screwed.
I'd guess Dem morons outnumber Rep racists by about 100 to 1.

673 BGOH  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:43:41am

re: #638 realwest

"I'm sure they will turn out to be floating medicine aspirin factories..."
There, fixed that for ya!

Thanks realwest! I don't know what I was thinking! LOL

674 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:43:44am

Shark attack around San Diego kills surfer.

675 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:44:39am
676 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:46:16am

re: #675 taxfreekiller

Push him, Push him, prod him, ask questions, ask the same question over and over, ask it fast, ask it slow, ask it in his Chicago lingo, ask it in Calif. hip hop, ask it in Spanish, just ask,

he will blow up and soon, once he goes down the slope they all go

Just let him eat his waffle first.

677 Athos  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:46:40am

re: #668 realwest

That hypocrisy is soooo old. It goes hand in hand with their lack of complaint regarding the appalling environmental practices in countries like the old Soviet Union and now in China. They are nothing but anti-American, anti-capitalist tools looking to promote a political agenda using the environment as a cudgel.

678 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:46:57am

re: #664 Kosh's Shadow
WHOA! Hold on there my friend - it's likely that his ideas are red, but you can't know the color of his ideas cause he hasn't said anything that resembles ideas - just slogans.

679 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:48:39am

re: #678 realwest

WHOA! Hold on there my friend - it's likely that his ideas are red, but you can't know the color of his ideas cause he hasn't said anything that resembles ideas - just slogans.

OK. His slogans are red as well.
Change = Revolution
Yes we can [stick it to the Man]!

680 BGOH  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:48:47am

re: #678 realwest

WHOA! Hold on there my friend - it's likely that his ideas are red, but you can't know the color of his ideas cause he hasn't said anything that resembles ideas - just slogans.

Well, we can make very reasonable suppositions as to the color of his ideas based on the color of all of his friend's ideas. They are all red, some of them the shade of blood.

681 maddogg  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:49:18am

re: #672 wolfie

If so, the Reps are totally screwed.
I'd guess Dem morons outnumber Rep racists by about 100 to 1.

The problem for the Democrats is that all of the actual racists I know. and I know several, are registered Democrats.

682 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:49:38am

re: #677 Athos "It goes hand in hand with their lack of complaint regarding the appalling environmental practices in countries like the old Soviet Union and now in China. They are nothing but anti-American, anti-capitalist tools looking to promote a political agenda using the environment as a cudgel."

Oh, you mean they're Obama Democrats!

683 yochanan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:50:49am

re: #625 buzzsawmonkey

Talk about your spring cleaning.

LOVE MAZTAH BRIE use hand shmera matzah but do grebraks GO FIGURE. LOL

684 Athos  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:51:15am

re: #682 realwest

Bingo....

But, of course, you know that it's bad to use guilt by association. It's too much like racial profiling statistical analysis of crime probabilities. ;-)

685 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:51:21am

re: #665 buzzsawmonkey

Human rights existed long before the UN got ahold of the term? Really? Where?


Humanism, it's been around a very long time.

686 Intrepid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:51:50am

Just read on Michelle Malkin's site, and one of the posters there posted the URL of the google cached Obama site.

(should I post the URL cache here or on the links thingy above?)

687 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:52:33am

re: #686 Intrepid

Just read on Michelle Malkin's site, and one of the posters there posted the URL of the google cached Obama site.

(should I post the URL cache here or on the links thingy above?)


Both!

688 morning star  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:53:17am

Here is more on John McCain's advisor McKinnon, who one time said that Obama is "one of the most exciting politicians to come along in a long time."

689 NomadOfNorad  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:55:10am

I just now decided to see if I could Wayback that page, and got this error.

Grrrr....

Notice the fact that their robots.txt settings have blocked the page from being archived. Uhuh-uhuh...

690 Intrepid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:55:30am

re: #687 MandyManners

Both!

Here 'tis -

[Link: 209.85.173.104...]

(cudos to poster BlameAmericaLast on MM's blog)

691 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:55:44am

re: #685 Killgore Trout

Humanism, it's been around a very long time.

Code of Hammurabi. The legal and recorded recognition of individual and human rights.

692 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:56:26am
693 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:56:50am

re: #661 Alouette

That is not a "human right" but a civil right to equal access in a facility that is open to the public. BTW individual restaurant owners can still disallow barefoot and shirtless.

Now explain how this so-called "human right" does not apply to the individual taxi driver's liberty not to allow "Jews, dogs or alcohol" into his cab.

I have no use for the HRC's as presently constituted but not because I have a problem with Human Rights; rather, the problem is the legislation is poorly drafted and even more poorly administered.

We do agree that refusing to serve a Jew is and should be illegal. That's what I care about.

As far as the Muslim taxi case goes, it should be illegal to refuse a Jewish fare. A taxi is licenced by the government and is therefore IMO public enough to attract legal protection for a Jewish cab-hailer. Any decision to the contrary would hopefully be reversed on appeal.

694 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:57:00am

re: #691 jcm

Code of Hammurabi. The legal and recorded recognition of individual and human rights.

linky no worky.

695 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:57:13am
696 stevieray  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:57:28am

re: #689 NomadOfNorad

I just now decided to see if I could Wayback that page, and got this error.

Grrrr....

Notice the fact that their robots.txt settings have blocked the page from being archived. Uhuh-uhuh...

Ahhh... the memory hole. One of the most useful tools of marxists everywhere.

697 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:57:30am

woot! Done with my office mini-golf.

Company paid lunch in a few minutes.

Then a big meeting.

Just so that you aren't left without the wonderfulness that is a gun-nut.... here you go..... a candidate for wife.

698 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:57:44am

re: #686 Intrepid Hmmm - was that poster by anychance Storeagemanager? I mean he does throw up a lot of posts out here and he does go to MM's site so I was just wondering...............

And great, Hot Air and now Michelle Malkin - LGF is gonna get avalanched for sure!

699 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:58:33am

Censorship of images web pages in the Soviet Union Obama campaign.
There is no new thing under the sun.

NObama!

700 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:58:50am

re: #697 LanceKates

woot! Done with my office mini-golf.

Company paid lunch in a few minutes.

Then a big meeting.

Just so that you aren't left without the wonderfulness that is a gun-nut.... here you go..... a candidate for wife.

But does she know yet?

701 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 9:59:30am

re: #697 LanceKates

Very nice! The collection is good, too.

702 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:00:17am

Uh, is it just me, or does anyone else think it's a tad unusual for Charles to not have put up several more threads by now?!

703 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:00:27am

re: #123 Kosh's Shadow

5. Provide prayer areas suitable for Salah and Jummah, in public and private facilities. (i.e. Malls, Airports, Universities and government buildings.)

I know this has been noticed before as it's an egregious violation of the first amendment to spend money to accommodate a particular religion in public buildings. However, I never noticed (and haven't seen anyone comment on) the private facilities, which would be even worse! Can you imagine the government saying "Hey business X, you MUST construct a Muslim prayer room".

Would churches have to construct a prayer room?

That little word "private" has MASSIVE implications.

704 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:00:49am

re: #659 buzzsawmonkey

?

There are civil rights which permit certain forms of discrimination to be legally barred. But individual liberty also mandates that people have the right to be assholes, and to hurt themselves financially by expressing their personal bigotries and conducting their businesses thereby, provided they don't fall afoul of the law.

Sorry Buzz, I will fight to the death for my right not to be thrown out of a restaurant just because I am a Jew. Period.

705 Intrepid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:01:53am

re: #698 realwest

Hmmm - was that poster by anychance Storeagemanager? I mean he does throw up a lot of posts out here and he does go to MM's site so I was just wondering...............

And great, Hot Air and now Michelle Malkin - LGF is gonna get avalanched for sure!

Dunno - poster nic there was "BlameAmericaLast" who found the cache thing.

It would make sense for someone with the nic of "Storagemanager" to store stuff like this, though.

706 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:02:40am

re: #702 realwest

Uh, is it just me, or does anyone else think it's a tad unusual for Charles to not have put up several more threads by now?!

Its happened before. Damn RL getting in the way

707 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:03:13am

re: #184 BabbaZee

Hatem Cheatam and Howe

I think ...

was a law firm on the 3 stooges once

Dewey Cheatham and Howe ... but it was still funny =)

708 persian shoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:03:22am

re: #674 JammieWearingFool

Attack occured at TableTops. It's a good surf spot north of Fletcher Cove.

Never forget, ya go in the water, you become part of the food chain.

I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often. The media downplays the fact Great Whites are off the coast. Bad for tourist business.

709 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:03:37am

re: #695 buzzsawmonkey

You are talking about civil rights, not "human rights."

Not labeled as "human rights" but the concept that an individual has certain rights based on his existence has been around a long time. Individual, human, civil the concept is old.

Human rights per se under that name is the the current name under which the concept operators. "Human rights" under that name has also attempted to incorporate the Gramsi / Marx / Engels concept of class rights. Which diminishes the concept.

710 Syrah  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:03:47am

re: #702 realwest

Uh, is it just me, or does anyone else think it's a tad unusual for Charles to not have put up several more threads by now?!

Maybe life outside is interfering.

711 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:04:39am
712 brainwizard73  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:04:42am

Your honor, the evidence.

Exhibit 1: Article in Minneapolis StarTrib news section asking "Is America ready for a Black President" and suggesting the answer (last two days)

Exhibit 2: StarTrib Editorial Board runs E.J. Dionne's piece entitled "Resistance to Obama seems driven by race and religion." (today)

Exhibit 3: Last few days several UK outlets, Times, Guardian, other left wing rags, run stories and editorials about how American voters are too bigoted to see what is in front of them...One piece even described B.O.'s campaign as being able to include "decent Republicans"; suggesting that anyone that doesn't drink the kool-aid is not "decent". Swear.

Exhibit 4: B.O.'s campaign manager says all the racists are voting Republican anyway...so we all know why those GOPers vote that way.

Your honor, I hereby indict the Obama Campaign for inciting racial hatred. I ask that you find them guilty and sentance them to four years on a desert island, during which time Obama will get done about as much has he has gotten accomplished in the U.S. Senate.

I rest.

(Would rest better if McCain wasn't sounding like Jimmy freakin' Carter on the NC GOP ad...but baby steps).

713 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:04:44am

re: #702 realwest

Uh, is it just me, or does anyone else think it's a tad unusual for Charles to not have put up several more threads by now?!

He's battling fascist head winds.

714 Spiny Norman  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:04:47am

re: #702 realwest

Uh, is it just me, or does anyone else think it's a tad unusual for Charles to not have put up several more threads by now?!

He probably has real paying work to do this morning...

Me, I'm trying hard to avoid it, but clients keep asking for their reports... ::sigh::

715 BGOH  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:04:58am

re: #710 Syrah

Maybe life outside is interfering.

In Obamunism, you interfere with the outside!

716 trailortrash  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:06:15am

From Michele Malkins site,
[Link: 209.85.173.104...]

717 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:06:42am

re: #262 LanceKates

That just furthers the common misconseption that Hillary is a woman.

She's actually an alien roach in a human suit.

"She was that ugly before she was an alien"

/duck

718 Syrah  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:07:44am

re: #715 BGOH

In Obamunism, you interfere with the outside!

But I thought that nothing was allowed outside of the Total Obomanation zone.

719 X-ray  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:07:50am

rac·ism

Old Definition
A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

New definition
Anything that may cause a Democrat to lose a race and or argument.

See also greed used when race is not applicable.

720 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:08:03am

Hey y'all - complaining about fuel prices is all well and good, but I'd suggest you go to Buddy G.'s spinoff link about wind turbines!
It is an eye-opener!

721 stevieray  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:08:15am

re: #709 jcm

Not labeled as "human rights" but the concept that an individual has certain rights based on his existence has been around a long time. Individual, human, civil the concept is old.

Human rights per se under that name is the the current name under which the concept operators. "Human rights" under that name has also attempted to incorporate the Gramsi / Marx / Engels concept of class rights. Which diminishes the concept.

Yep. Group rights can only come at the expense of individual rights... they rely on enslaving an individual to which ever category society chooses to chain him, diminishing him by assuming certain needs and attitudes based on what others superficially like him desire.

722 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:08:38am
723 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:08:51am

Gotta' go practice that evil ideology and work for da' man.

Later!

724 trailortrash  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:09:18am

later MM :)

725 brainwizard73  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:10:09am

Serious question:

Does anyone know what happens if the "superdelegates" for the Dems should split in a way that gives neither Hill or B/O the required 2,050ish needed for the nomination? Is that possible? At that point, it would be the superdelegates that would make the call because they would have to be pursuaded one way or another, right?

726 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:10:46am

re: #706 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Well I'm not complaining at all, just hope that Charles and his family are ok, ya know?

727 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:12:07am

re: #722 buzzsawmonkey

"Individual, human, and civil" are not synonyms. The individual's right to freedom was, and remains, a radical concept; it is guaranteed by a civil law which is enforced impartially--and only by that.

"Human rights" are a function of group/class thinking. They have never been clearly defined, which is why they are beloved by distinct interest groups who are pleading for special privileges.

And consider the case of a restaurant owner who doesn't want to serve Jews.
This is a conflict of INDIVIDUAL rights - the right of a Jew to eat in any public establishment, vs the right of the owner of said establishment to control who he serves.

The law states, and I agree, that the right of the potential customer overrides the right of the owner. The owner can do something else if he can't stand Jews, he shouldn't be open to the public.

728 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:12:13am

re: #704 sparrowlake

Sorry Buzz, I will fight to the death for my right not to be thrown out of a restaurant just because I am a Jew. Period.

For the sake of argument:

I'm a nazi loving jew hating restaurant owner. No jews, muslims, catholics or mormons allowed in my restaurant.

I own the land, the restaurant. It mine, and only mine.

Does you right to come onto my property, demand me to serve you exceed my right to my property, to run my establishment as I see fit?

I would contended the nazi restaurant owner as every right to be a complete and utter ass.

Just as you have every right to protest the restaurant.

I have serious trouble with using the force of government to make the restaurant serve you.

I don't disagree with your sentiment, just that it's a double edged sword.

729 Spiny Norman  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:12:32am

re: #717 incanus

re: #262 LanceKates
That just furthers the common misconseption that Hillary is a woman.

She's actually an alien roach in a human suit.

"She was that ugly before she was an alien"

Imagine a giant cockroach with unlimited strength, a massive inferiority complex, and a real short temper, tear-assing around the country in a brand-new Hillary suit. That sound like fun?

=^0

730 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:12:35am
731 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:12:53am

re: #712 brainwizard73

more "evidence",
We Aren't Worthy (more to support your thesis): The Left Asks: Is America Worthy of Barack Obama?
I'm pretty sure I've detected the left's new meme that has arisen out of the ashes of the Pennsylvania disaster: In short, America is not worthy of Barack Obama. In his Time Magazine column, Joe Klein elaborates:


In his 1991 book, The Reasoning Voter, political scientist Samuel Popkin argued that most people make their choice on the basis of "low-information signaling" — that is, stupid things like whether you know how to roll a bowling ball or wear an American-flag pin. In the era of Republican dominance, the low-information signals were really low — how Michael Dukakis looked in a tanker's helmet, whether John Kerry's favorite sports were too precious (like wind-surfing), whether Al Gore's debate sighs over his opponent's simple obfuscations were patronizing. Bill Clinton was the lone Democratic master of low-information signaling — a love of McDonald's and other assorted big-gulp appetites gave him credibility that even trumped his evasion of military service.

The audacity of the Obama campaign was the belief that in a time of trouble — as opposed to the peace and prosperity of the late 20th century — the low-information politics of the past could be tossed aside in favor of a high-minded, if deliberately vague, appeal to the nation's need to finally address some huge problems.


On the one hand, liberal whining of this sort serves a useful purpose, as it sprouts up reliably every four years. It can help the rest of us keep track of time. It's sort of like the Summer Olympics, but without the stupid stuff like synchronized swimming.

But on the other hand, this kind of pouting is awfully annoying. It eventually acquires the flavor of an acorn plummeting to earth and carping about gravity. Politics is and always has been an ugly, full-contact sport. For goodness sakes, the politics of an earlier time were so "low" that Andrew Jackson’s wife was pretty much driven to her death by the antics of his political enemies. It was fortunate for Old Hickory's foes that he wasn’t the grudge bearing type. For more reading on the subject, I commend to you Edward Larson’s highly entertaining book, A Magnificent Catastrophe: The Tumultuous Election of 1800, America’s First Presidential Campaign.

Predictably, the whining takes on a particularly grating character when attached to the Obama campaign. If Obama really is so determined to run an unprecedentedly high-minded campaign, why does he insist on mischaracterizing John McCain's comments about "100 years in Iraq?"

In truth, Barack Obama understands that politics ain't pretty. Even Joe Klein probably knows this. They just want the other guy to have to deal with all the ugliness.

Posted by Dean Barnett at 04:04 PM

732 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:13:45am

re: #725 brainwizard73

Serious question:

Does anyone know what happens if the "superdelegates" for the Dems should split in a way that gives neither Hill or B/O the required 2,050ish needed for the nomination? Is that possible? At that point, it would be the superdelegates that would make the call because they would have to be pursuaded one way or another, right?

Humorous answer, the two candidates fight it out in the Thunderdome.

Serious answer: I think the delegates are no longer pledged after a certain number of votes, so they keep taking votes until enough delegates switch.

733 stevieray  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:14:00am

re: #722 buzzsawmonkey

That's a difficult concept for many to see... the three different terms have been used interchangeably for decades now, and most think they are synonyms. You are correct, they are not.

Lunch break over... gotta run.

734 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:14:24am

re: #725 brainwizard73
I believe you're correct, although the Dem's have what I consider a bizarre way to hold primaries, too.
Methinks if the Dem's nominate someone who has won vastly fewer Big Electoral Vote States, then they are giving the finger to those states. Likewise, if they nominate someone who hasn't won the majority of the popular vote in the primaries, they're in serious trouble too.
Pass the popcorn, please!

735 gymnast  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:14:53am

If Obama were to be elected, his buddy Bill Ayers would likely become the new Secretary of Education. One of the first curriculum changes in the schools would be a mandatory Arabic Studies program including ASL K-12. the textbook would be the Koran. CAIR would be given a multi-billion dollar contract to implement the program under the guidance of advisor's provided by Saudi Arabia. Just speculating of course. Then on the other hand who could have conceived of the reality of Obama's candidacy or William Ayers as tenured professor?

736 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:15:05am

re: #725 brainwizard73

it goes to a "floor fight" , where each side tries to persuade enough delegates from thr other side to defect

737 brainwizard73  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:15:42am

re: #732 Kosh's Shadow

I like the first method better. I would actually donate to the DNC to see that fight...I am thinking Hillary in a decision.

Thanks, seriously for the info. That makes sense.

738 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:15:52am

re: #731 alegrias

Yeah and the germans weren't worthy of Hitler? Been there, heard that. It's a weak intellectual argument.

739 itellu3times  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:16:26am

What are we doing here, bitterly clinging to the old web page in the face of change!

740 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:16:30am

re: #734 realwest

Pass the popcorn, please!

Do you want butter-flavored, non- hydrogenated, transfat-free oily stuff with that?

741 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:16:35am
742 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:16:40am

re: #722 buzzsawmonkey

"Individual, human, and civil" are not synonyms. The individual's right to freedom was, and remains, a radical concept; it is guaranteed by a civil law which is enforced impartially--and only by that.

"Human rights" are a function of group/class thinking. They have never been clearly defined, which is why they are beloved by distinct interest groups who are pleading for special privileges.

Agreed, but there is an overlap of concept, and an historical heritage. Human rights attempts to claim the heritage of the enlightenment, and "improve" it with socialism.

743 brainwizard73  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:16:53am

re: #735 gymnast

Who will be teaching the left wing brown shirt goose-step? I nominate George Soros.

Did you hear he made 2 billion plus on the sub-prime mortgage issue?

744 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:17:33am
745 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:17:55am

Sketchy reports on the radio that the US navy fired on iranian watercraft.

746 itellu3times  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:18:00am

re: #743 brainwizard73

Who will be teaching the left wing brown shirt goose-step? I nominate George Soros.

Did you hear he made 2 billion plus on the sub-prime mortgage issue?

By betting against the dollar, or otherwise?

747 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:18:17am

re: #731 alegrias

I.e., people are stupid and this mindreader knows that they are making decisions on bowling scores and Yeaaaaggh rather than issues.

OTOH, if they want to save pride by insisting the "breakup" was "not about you, it's about me," then fine, as long as we break up.

748 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:18:22am

re: #691 jcm

Good point.

749 itellu3times  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:18:43am

re: #745 Ojoe

Sketchy reports on the radio that the US navy fired on iranian watercraft.

No, no, Iranian waterfoul, per Hillary's love of duck hunting.

750 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:18:58am

re: #728 jcmJCM, your hypothetical arguement has been decided by the law here in the US a long time ago: if anyone has an establishment or business that is open to the public, they cannot discriminate as to which members of the Public they will or will not serve.
Indeed, even Private Clubs have been under attack for years, primarily by Women's Rights Groups, saying essentially that if there are "Men's Clubs" that promotes business networking among men only etc. etc.
However, I haven't heard or seen from N.O.W. since 9/11.

751 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:19:39am

I know of a bar where the standard response to the order - "I'll have a rum and Coke" was "Is rum and Howdy Cola OK?"

752 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:19:46am

re: #749 itellu3times

Ducks unlimited then.

Great conservationists, are the hunters.

753 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:20:14am

re: #749 itellu3times

No, no, Iranian waterfoul, per Hillary's love of duck hunting.

no no ,,,, Iranian WHATTAFOOL ,,,, DinnerJacket in the crosshairs !

754 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:21:48am

re: #711 buzzsawmonkey

You can fight to the death not to be thrown out of a restaurant on ethno-religious grounds if the restaurant falls under certain federal or state anti-discrimination laws. But these laws only go so far. The right to be a bigot, and to act on one's bigotry, up to a point--distasteful as it may be to experience--is also a component of individual liberty, whether you or I like it or not.

In Canada the Charter of Rights and Freedoms contained in our Constitution deals with the relationship between individuals and the government. The Federal and Provincial Human Rights Acts deal with the relationships between individuals.
So up here we really do need Human Rights legislation to protect individuals from certain basic things such as racial or religious discrimination in employment hiring practices or landlord-tenant practices.
The main problems with our legislation IMO are that some of the legislation is too widely drafted (e.g. truth is not a defence), and that the legislation is not administered by the Courts but rather by political hacks who are not necessarily even lawyers let alone judges.

755 brainwizard73  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:22:15am

re: #731 alegrias

Good point.

I had thought that sometimes the moniker Messiah for Obama was the product of some over active immaginations by some hard core GOP backers...I mean it sounded a bit over the top. But the more I hear this guy and read the reaction to the PA primary, I wonder if there isn't a real "God-complex" or "Messiah-complex" with this guy, at least in the eyes of his adoring fans.

So I guess the MSM would have us believe that just like Jesus Christ in his time, we are too (pick your adjective here) to understand the message of enlightenment and salvation.

Wasn't it Phillip, the disciple, that said of Jesus (before meeting him) "Can anything good come out of Nazereth?" A slam on Jesus's origins.

Perhaps we can say the same thing now..."Can anything good come out of Hyde Park?" Problem is, I don't see B.O. showing me any miracles.

756 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:24:09am

The Obama trolls here must be kicking themselves for not just deleting the profile in the first place. Makes me happy inside.

757 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:24:18am

re: #700 jcm

But does she know yet?

Not yet. But then, neither does that one blonde soldier operating the door gun on a chopper.

Now I think I'm beginning to understand poligamy.

!

heh.

758 debutaunt  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:24:33am

re: #285 bosforus

I got my hands dirty for y'all so I hope you find some value in this info. Here are some ranking stats when I registered at Obama's website.

Action ------- Points Gained - Rank - Percentage (top)
---------------------------------------- ----------------------
Created Account - 25 - 581,257 - 100% (I assume)
Logged in ---------- 1 -- 550,702 - 94.7%
Created Profile --- 20 - 194,608 - 33.5%

Not exactly difficult to climb the ladder.

Do you plan to go for a senate seat or the presidency first?

759 brainwizard73  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:24:36am

re: #746 itellu3times

No, it was in the paper a week or so a go. Do a LEXIS search and you can find it. Apparently Soros had been in a bunch of these investments that dealt with the sub-prime backed investments and got out before the collapse, so while he didn't make the most (some guy made 5+ billion) Soros made over 2 billion.

So he made money on the backs of the poor, downtrodden people facing forclosure. Will MoveOn.org call him out?

760 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:24:47am

re: #672 wolfie

If so, the Reps are totally screwed.
I'd guess Dem morons outnumber Rep racists by about 100 to 1.

Hell, Dem racists outnumber Rep racists by a healthy margin, I'd guess.

761 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:25:00am

re: #740 jamgarr Nope, I want the real thing - plain, old fashioned butter!
I'll add the salt to my own tasting later, thank you kindly!

762 Alouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:25:02am

re: #704 sparrowlake

Sorry Buzz, I will fight to the death for my right not to be thrown out of a restaurant just because I am a Jew. Period.

I can't think of any restaurant that would be worth fighting to the death to get in. But it's an interesting concept that might be entertaining for the other patrons.

Watch minorities fight to the death in gladiatorial combat, the winner gets served a full meal!

763 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:25:26am

Monkey...."civil rights"....land of actual experience...concrete embodiment in practice...common law...feet on ground...empiricism....See British empiricism, Scottish "Enlightenment," Federalist Papers, US Constitution.
Trout....."human rights"...land of words, fuzzy semantics...angelic abstraction...riding in clouds....idealism....See French Rationalism/dualism, French "Enlightenment," Goddess of Reason (aka Goddess of Terror)

764 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:26:42am

re: #750 realwest

JCM, your hypothetical arguement has been decided by the law here in the US a long time ago: if anyone has an establishment or business that is open to the public, they cannot discriminate as to which members of the Public they will or will not serve.
Indeed, even Private Clubs have been under attack for years, primarily by Women's Rights Groups, saying essentially that if there are "Men's Clubs" that promotes business networking among men only etc. etc.
However, I haven't heard or seen from N.O.W. since 9/11.

I realize that. I don't entirely disagree with "public accommodation" idea, that if you open to the public, you're open to ALL the public. It's a two edge sword, which requires eternal vigilance.

In WA there is a fight over Plan B medications, some pharmacists refuse to stock and sell the item on moral grounds. There is an attempt to force them to provide it. An individual can go a few blocks and get it. It gets muddier at this level.

We can see in Britain the results when "accommodation" gets carried to far.

765 gymnast  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:26:44am

re: #743 brainwizard73

Who will be teaching the left wing brown shirt goose-step? I nominate George Soros.

Did you hear he made 2 billion plus on the sub-prime mortgage issue?

George Soros is far too busy conducting "the Orchestra". The "Vanguard Class" has been writing it's Hegelian music for a long tome now. The MSM "music critics" are for the most part enthralled with the performance of the modern "Gottdamerung"

766 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:27:25am
767 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:27:40am

re: #757 LanceKates

Not yet. But then, neither does that one blonde soldier operating the door gun on a chopper.

Now I think I'm beginning to understand poligamy.

!

heh.

HEY! the door gunner is mine!

768 larrysheldon  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:28:44am

Disappeared? The whole profile disappeared?

[thumbs through Satanist's Handbook Of Truth.....]

OK, found it. That means it never existed.

769 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:29:20am

re: #758 debutaunt

Do you plan to go for a senate seat or the presidency first?

The world is my oyster I suppose. I can only imagine how many points I would get if I did an actual blog entry! It'd probably be enough to at least get me on the ballot. Of course, as soon as they read my sarcasm laden profile I'd get axed.

770 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:29:21am

re: #767 jcm

HEY! the door gunner is mine!

I'd offer to share but.....


.... eww.

771 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:29:48am

re: #769 bosforus

The world is my oyster I suppose. I can only imagine how many points I would get if I did an actual blog entry! It'd probably be enough to at least get me on the ballot. Of course, as soon as they read my sarcasm laden profile I'd get axed.

just don't add the '/' at the end and they'll think you're being serious.

772 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:30:04am
773 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:30:15am

re: #768 larrysheldon

Disappeared? The whole profile disappeared?

[thumbs through Satanist's Handbook Of Truth.....]

OK, found it. That means it never existed.

WHAT never existed?!

... (Exactly..)

774 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:30:17am

re: #768 larrysheldon

Disappeared? The whole profile disappeared?

[thumbs through Satanist's Handbook Of Truth.....]

OK, found it. That means it never existed.

Like the WMD in Iraq!

Yes, Saddam used them to murder thousands upon thousands, but if we don't know where they are now, instead of wondering where the heck lethal things like that are, we should mock Bush and insist they never existed.

775 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:30:23am

re: #728 jcm

For the sake of argument:
I'm a nazi loving jew hating restaurant owner. No jews, muslims, catholics or mormons allowed in my restaurant.
I own the land, the restaurant. It mine, and only mine.
Does you right to come onto my property, demand me to serve you exceed my right to my property, to run my establishment as I see fit?
I would contended the nazi restaurant owner as every right to be a complete and utter ass.
Just as you have every right to protest the restaurant.
I have serious trouble with using the force of government to make the restaurant serve you.
I don't disagree with your sentiment, just that it's a double edged sword.

It is a double-edged sword, for sure. So are all rights, because with every right comes a corresponding obligation.
I am willing to sacrifice some individual rights in order to protect minorities from dehumanizing treatment.
We will have to disagree on this one.

776 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:31:09am

re: #692 buzzsawmonkey

Your argument about when & where the term "human rights" originated is not as important as the distinction between the concepts. Too often "human rights" are about group or collective rights applied by governments to specific groups when & how it suits them. Therein lies the danger.

On the other hand, "individual liberties" (or civil rights) are inalienable rights held by each and every person, over the intentions of the government of the day. Therein lies the strength of freedom.

Your original point, that Obama used the phrase "human rights" rather than the traditional Constitutions concept of "individual liberties" does indeed reveal how far out of the mainstream Obama is. He has so long swam in the leftist swamp, he's not even aware of the distinction.

777 Sizzlack  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:31:24am

Anyone else notice the article from the Huffington Post yesterday saying that the media is jumping ship to Clinton's side. And they compared Obama to McGovern.

I have my fingers crossed it's finally starting to unravel.

778 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:31:25am

re: #770 LanceKates

I'd offer to share but.....


.... eww.

My honor is offended, I throw the gauntlet at you feet!
;-)

779 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:31:32am

re: #750 realwest

JCM, your hypothetical arguement has been decided by the law here in the US a long time ago: if anyone has an establishment or business that is open to the public, they cannot discriminate as to which members of the Public they will or will not serve.
Indeed, even Private Clubs have been under attack for years, primarily by Women's Rights Groups, saying essentially that if there are "Men's Clubs" that promotes business networking among men only etc. etc.
However, I haven't heard or seen from N.O.W. since 9/11.

See my 703. What's going to happen when this stuff gains traction?

780 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:32:14am

re: #763 wolfie

I've noticed a serious anti-intellectual trend in "right wing" circles lately. I find it interesting that people no longer appreciate the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason.

781 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:32:25am

Dear God, how did we get to a world where Hillary Flippin Clinton is the lesser of two evils?

782 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:32:27am

re: #771 LanceKates

just don't add the '/' at the end and they'll think you're being serious.

True, if I keep the sarcasm extra dry and somewhat ambiguous they'll probably just think I'm an average Obama supporter and am just caught up in the hype.

783 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:33:09am

re: #778 jcm

My honor is offended, I throw the gauntlet at you feet!
;-)

Ok.... then we duel!

I pick the method. Eating Contest.

Followed by a belching contest.

followed by a nap.

784 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:33:24am

re: #762 Alouette

I can't think of any restaurant that would be worth fighting to the death to get in. But it's an interesting concept that might be entertaining for the other patrons.

Watch minorities fight to the death in gladiatorial combat, the winner gets served a full meal!

LOL. You've never seen me when I'm really hungry.

785 Sizzlack  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:34:12am

re: #781 Silhouette

Dear God, how did we get to a world where Hillary Flippin Clinton is the lesser of two evils?

Seriously.

786 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:34:45am

re: #774 Silhouette

Like the WMD in Iraq!

Yes, Saddam used them to murder thousands upon thousands, but if we don't know where they are now, instead of wondering where the heck lethal things like that are, we should mock Bush and insist they never existed.

Oh Saddam may have broke a few eggs but there was so much stability! People were flocking to Iraq just to see it .. "Look over there Jane, more stability! Oooooooo."

/s

787 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:34:50am
788 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:34:51am

re: #779 incanus Um, what stuff gains traction?

789 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:35:43am

re: #780 Killgore Trout

I've noticed a serious anti-intellectual trend in "right wing" circles lately. I find it interesting that people no longer appreciate the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason.

Are you suggesting that the Constitution is not a product of the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason?

790 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:35:53am

This is funny. Slublog photoshopped the Obama header for a more accurate reflection of the state of Obamarama. Ace has it.

791 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:36:13am

re: #782 bosforus

True, if I keep the sarcasm extra dry and somewhat ambiguous they'll probably just think I'm an average Obama supporter and am just caught up in the hype.

be sure to faint.

792 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:37:07am

re: #788 realwest

Um, what stuff gains traction?

5. Provide prayer areas suitable for Salah and Jummah, in public and private facilities. (i.e. Malls, Airports, Universities and government buildings.)

(from post 123)

I think a lot of people laugh and think "That will never happen".

MN is building footbaths for Muslims.

793 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:37:47am

re: #780 Killgore Trout

I've noticed a serious anti-intellectual trend in "right wing" circles lately. I find it interesting that people no longer appreciate the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason.

I have found in my advanced years that ENLIGHTENMENT and REASON usually means I KNOW THE BEST WAY ,, and if you see it my way, thats REASONable

794 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:38:23am

re: #791 LanceKates

I'm feeling kind of dizzy already just being a part of the Obama website. Oh wait, that's nausea.

795 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:38:44am

I know it is probably my inner bias, but the Obama circle logo, along with his face looking boldly into the future, reminds me of the Soviet-era agricultural propaganda posters: with the fields of crops depicted and the faces of the happy farmers staring bravely into the future.

796 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:39:31am

re: #793 sattv4u2

spot on.

797 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:39:34am

re: #772 buzzsawmonkey

You have shown in your final paragraph precisely why "human rights" are antithetical to civil rights and the preservation of individual liberty.

Not at all. Bad laws can be fixed. But I do agree that any group right must inevitably detract from some individual freedom, even if only the freedom to discriminate.
BTW I'm not so sure that our disagreement isn't more semantic than substantive, because you have conceded that civil rights (also detract from individual freedom) are OK for you.

798 Alouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:39:37am

re: #775 sparrowlake

I am willing to sacrifice some individual rights in order to protect minorities from dehumanizing treatment.

That nose in the tent fold is attached to a honkin' big camel. You may claim that "dehumanizing treatment" is not being served at the non-kosher Hitler-theme restaurant while wearing your kippah (if you're not visibly Jewish, how would they even know you're Jewish in order to deny you service?) but a Moslem will claim that it is "dehumanizing" to share the same sidewalk with an infidel.

799 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:39:58am

re: #794 bosforus

I'm feeling kind of dizzy already just being a part of the Obama website. Oh wait, that's nausea.

I've gotten used to things like that. I get DNC and CodePINK emails.

800 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:40:16am

re: #793 sattv4u2

Like the Rationalists, implying, of course, that faith is irrational. Nice.

801 redstateredneck  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:40:50am

re: #799 LanceKates

I've gotten used to things like that. I get DNC and CodePINK emails.


Are you on Boobs Not Bombs mailing list as well?

802 Maine's Michael  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:41:19am
Update: Terror Fundraiser's Page Disappears!

Wow.

Obama really is a Magic Negro.

803 Racer X  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:41:42am

re: #790 lawhawk

This is funny. Slublog photoshopped the Obama header for a more accurate reflection of the state of Obamarama. Ace has it.

That there is funny stuff.

804 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:41:48am

re: #801 redstateredneck

Are you on Boobs Not Bombs mailing list as well?

Nah, given the ladies they show, I'd prefer the bombs.

805 LeonidasOfSparta  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:41:57am

[Link: www.slate.com...]

lol now SLATE (lame and useless) is calling for BHussein to step down from the primary.

806 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:42:14am

re: #559 Ward Cleaver


HDRepub needs to get a second PC.

That's a thought but the granddaughter is just here for the day. Spring break.

807 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:43:20am

re: #764 jcm Well, I'm sorry but don't know what Plan B medications are - I tend to be pretty focused on my and my Mom's meds frankly, but regardless, I still think that if you are open to the Public, you have to be open to everyone in the "Public" - that means Jews, Blacks, Asians, Latino's, Muslims, Christians, Men, Women, LBGT, Whites and any other "groups" I may have inadvertently left out.
And if you are a regulated industry, or licensed by either the Federal, State or a Municpal government, I think that requirement is even stronger.
And where health care is concerned (hospitals, Emergency Rooms, pharmacies and doctor's offices) I don't think you should have the right to refuse to "serve" any member of the Public.

808 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:43:23am

re: #799 LanceKates

I've gotten used to things like that. I get DNC and CodePINK emails.

I just wouldn't be able to stomach hitting 'submit' at the codepink registration page.

809 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:44:16am

re: #808 bosforus

I just wouldn't be able to stomach hitting 'submit' at the codepink registration page.

well, In my mind, I put in my email address and clicked the 'submit' button as a suggestion for what THEY should do.

makes it easier to click.

810 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:44:41am

re: #789 incanus

Are you suggesting that the Constitution is not a product of the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason?


Certainly not. They are a direct result of the Enlightenment. I'm just saying that too many people no longer understand the fact.

811 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:47:24am
812 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:47:56am

re: #798 Alouette

Hi there Alouette! What you said about that big camel is precisely why the law requires businesses or professions that serve the Public may not discriminate against any member of the Public.
If, using a part of your example, a Muslim doesn't want to eat where Jews may be eating (in, say, a restaurant) then that Muslim is free to go somewhere else, NOT to insist that the Jews not be served.
At least in America, thank God.

813 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:49:44am

re: #787 buzzsawmonkey

I see. Several years ago there was a referendum in Canada to amend our constitution with something called the Meech Lake Accord. The political reason for the accord was to induce the government of Quebec to sign the constitution, which they had so far refused to do. (Nevertheless, a Supreme Court decision had declared the Constitution fully applied to the people & gov't of Quebec). The language of Meech was problematic, in that it granted special status to Quebec and to French speaking Canadians on the basis of their belonging to a special group.

Fortunately, the amendment was rejected by the referendum. The whole affair was full of irony: the amendment was supported by the Conservative gov't of Brian Mulroney. The anti-Meech side was lead by former Liberal PM Pierre Trudeau. Quebec rejected the deal because it didn't offer them enough, while English Canada rejected it because it gave too much. In the end, the deal was defeated in a filibuster by a lone aboriginal MLA in the Manitoba Legislature because the deal didn't give aboriginal Canadians special status.

814 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:51:01am

re: #805 LeonidasOfSpartaLOL! That article in Slate is just about as dumb an article as I've ever seen written in this primary season! Thanks for the link and the laughs!

815 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:51:23am

re: #777 Sizzlack

Anyone else notice the article from the Huffington Post yesterday saying that the media is jumping ship to Clinton's side. And they compared Obama to McGovern.

I have my fingers crossed it's finally starting to unravel.

Be careful what you wish for...

816 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:51:38am

re: #810 Killgore Trout

Certainly not. They are a direct result of the Enlightenment. I'm just saying that too many people no longer understand the fact.

Ok, good. I'm glad we're on the same page.

I think what some people here are saying is that some products of the Enlightenment are better than others. For example, the Founding Fathers of the United States (who I think we can agree were for the most part intellectuals of the day) gave us the Constitution which, as another poster has already noted, states which rights the government is assuming on behalf of the people. The rest of the rights are reserved to the states or the people. IOW that state does not grant rights to the people; it's the other way around.

Another product of the Enlightenment, around the same time, was the French Revolution, which gave us the Guillotine and a grisly example of political purging in the name of political purity.

817 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:52:13am

re: #780 Killgore Trout

I've noticed a serious anti-intellectual trend in "right wing" circles lately. I find it interesting that people no longer appreciate the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason.

Really? I think that as conservatives or 'right wingers' have been having to go back to the drawing board to re-learn the arguments for their cause(s). I think that over the 12 years where we had the congress and then both the congress and presidency, conservatives became very complacent. Now we have to go back to understanding the 'why' to what we believe. I guess I'm saying I think the trend is going towards more intellectualism. I know you would be thinking about the ID debate as a good example, I am thinking more about origins of political philosophies and economic policies. Whether you agree with ID or not (I know you don't) it might be seen as one idea associated with many conservatives, that some are trying to intellectualize.

/I'm just spittballin' here....

818 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:52:31am

re: #798 Alouette

That nose in the tent fold is attached to a honkin' big camel. You may claim that "dehumanizing treatment" is not being served at the non-kosher Hitler-theme restaurant while wearing your kippah (if you're not visibly Jewish, how would they even know you're Jewish in order to deny you service?) but a Moslem will claim that it is "dehumanizing" to share the same sidewalk with an infidel.

Examples of not-OK dehumanizing treatment:
1. being denied an apartment solely on the basis of race, religion or ethnic origin;
2. being denied a job solely on the basis of ....
3. being thrown out of a restaurant on the basis of ....
4. being denied a publicly licenced service on the basis of ...

Examples of OK dehumanizing treatment:
1. body-checking burkas who try to walk right through you on the sidewalk;
2. killing terrorists;
3. telling people to FAAD.

819 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:53:02am

re: #798 Alouette

That nose in the tent fold is attached to a honkin' big camel.

Dinged that vivid image up.

But the truth is that we've already gone down that road. We as a society have deemed that we'd rather force a bigoted landlord to rent to (group he hates) rather than wait for the free market to willow out these idiots. And if it is a slippery slope, it is one that at least for the past 4 decades, we've managed to keep from slipping down too much. We have to be ever vigilant.

820 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:53:17am

Well it's been grand as usual y'all but I gotta go eat lunch, take meds, and nap!
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

821 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:54:04am

re: #156 bosforus

My Obama account just went up 30,000 rankings by virtue of doing nothing in the last 20 minutes!

Makes you wonder how many more pages were disappeared.

822 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:55:24am

re: #816 incanus

Another product of the Enlightenment, around the same time, was the French Revolution, which gave us the Guillotine and a grisly example of political purging in the name of political purity.

You're overlooking the biggest gift of the French Revolution; the American Revolution. In fact the French revolution brought democracy to Europe for the first time since the Romans.

823 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:55:55am

re: #811 buzzsawmonkey

"Human rights," by creating aggrieved classes, are antithetical to the concept of individual liberty.

Civil rights impartially enforced do inhibit total exercise of individual liberty, but they do not create aggrieved classes. Therein lies the difference--and it is a difference far greater than mere "bad laws." It is is a difference which goes to the very concept underlying those laws.

Negoes denied enrolment in a public schools were an aggrieved class.

824 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:56:02am

re: #660 taxfreekiller

Link: [Link: www.arapahoebasin.com...]...]

Is that snow, or is it just covered with warming.

of note;

Its April 25,

I saw skiers there in July of '96.

825 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:56:37am

re: #821 nikis-knight

Makes you wonder how many more pages were disappeared.

It does seem to teach one to just do nothing....

Which is the liberal way.

yell and scream, but ACCOMPLISH nothing.

826 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:57:50am
827 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:58:51am
828 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:01:46am

re: #822 Killgore Trout

You're overlooking the biggest gift of the French Revolution; the American Revolution. In fact the French revolution brought democracy to Europe for the first time since the Romans.

Sorry, the French Revolution happened after the Rebellion of the American Colonies (as it is called Britain). The French Revolution may have been caused by the American Revolution; the people saw it could be done and the French Monarchy had bankrupted the country ("let them eat cake" ring a bell?), but I don't see how you can argue that the American Revolution was a "gift" of the French Revolution.

As to democracy, well: I think the fact that France had a king again within a few decades shows how inferior the French revolutionaries were to ours. They sought to end a monarchy and institute a new government. Ours sought to institute a new type of government.

England at that time had a Parliament; were they not democratic enough?

829 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:01:58am

re: #823 sparrowlake

Negoes denied enrolment in a public schools were an aggrieved class.

The point was that they were being treated as a different class and that was wrong. For the situation in question, education, they were the exact same as all the others and therefore it was not right to deny them access based on a difference that wasn't relevant.

830 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:04:05am

re: #807 realwest

Well, I'm sorry but don't know what Plan B medications are - I tend to be pretty focused on my and my Mom's meds frankly, but regardless, I still think that if you are open to the Public, you have to be open to everyone in the "Public" - that means Jews, Blacks, Asians, Latino's, Muslims, Christians, Men, Women, LBGT, Whites and any other "groups" I may have inadvertently left out.
And if you are a regulated industry, or licensed by either the Federal, State or a Municpal government, I think that requirement is even stronger.
And where health care is concerned (hospitals, Emergency Rooms, pharmacies and doctor's offices) I don't think you should have the right to refuse to "serve" any member of the Public.

I agree with for example forcing the MN cabbies to haul seeing eye dogs, people with a bottle of booze, they are operating under a government license providing a public accommodation. Ditto for medical services.

Let's say I own a mom and pop grocery. I have a moral objection to alcohol, and do not sell such products.

Should I be under law, forced to sell alcohol?

831 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:04:34am

re: #827 buzzsawmonkey

I misspoke. The common factor was French Enlightenment (see guys like Rousseau) Our revolution and theirs are inexorably tied together.

832 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:05:01am

re: #826 buzzsawmonkey

Beeeep. Circular bootstrap argument. You lose. LOL.
Sorry, gotta go, gut Shabbes chaver.

833 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:05:40am

re: #807 realwest

Plan B. Day after abortion pills.

834 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:06:29am
835 sparrowlake  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:06:30am

re: #829 Silhouette

The point was that they were being treated as a different class and that was wrong. For the situation in question, education, they were the exact same as all the others and therefore it was not right to deny them access based on a difference that wasn't relevant.

Of course! That is what human rights are all about!
Sorry, gotta go.

836 debutaunt  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:06:49am

re: #667 MandyManners

Whatever goes over the sow's back will come under her belly.

A rolling stone gathers momentum.

837 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:06:52am

re: #828 incanus

They were still as monarchy. Parliment's power in those days was pretty limited. The main decisions were still made by a supreme leader who inherited the position. There was no elected prime minister like there is today.

838 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:09:26am
839 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:09:36am

of clare: #835 sparrowlake

Of course! That is what human rights are all about!
Sorry, gotta go.

No, individual rights. I think we are talking semantics here.

840 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:09:46am

re: #825 LanceKates

Which is the liberal way.

yell and scream, but ACCOMPLISH nothing.

Moral infantilism

Willing the end but refusing to will any realistic means to that end. Define today's Democrats

841 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:12:54am

The French Revolution is compared often to the US, but they are vastly different. The French Revolution was the same old story of class envy. The rich were killed and their belongings taken. Much like later communist revolutions, a group of leaders fires up the crowd to overthrow the current regime and take the money and power, only to have the revolutionary leaders become the new controlers.

In the US, it was often the privledged landowners themselves who risked everything to give the power of self-determination to everyone.

A good rule of thumb is that if your revolution requires purges, your ideology is probably flawed.

/my take

842 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:14:41am

re: #780 Killgore Trout

I've noticed a serious anti-intellectual trend in "right wing" circles lately. I find it interesting that people no longer appreciate the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason.

I understand your concern. Really. But we must not confuse Rationalism with reason, much less with reasonableness, being rational, or common sense. Nor should we confuse Scientism with science.
What we call the Age of Reason and Enlightenment is not philosophically uniform. The era gave rise to ideas both good and bad, no? I think slavish applause for it would be....irrational! Do you really prefer Rousseau to Aristotle?!
The fact of the matter is that the ugly ideologies of the 20th/21st century can be easily and directly traced to Enlightenment philosophy. The same is true of many of our most valuable intellectual weapons against them, as you well know. The philosophy of the era, in any case, needs critical examination.
I deeply share your concern about modern anti-intellectualism.
But I am far more worried about the left in this regard. Maybe that's just because I'm lurking in the halls of academe and am over-exposed to it. The fact that our institutions of learning are so hostile to reason & logic (i.e. philosophy) and so dedicated to ideology is enough to chill me to the bone.

Have you ever read Hayek's Counter-Revolution of Science?
If not, I think you would like it. He tries to show how the excellent ideas of the 18th century Enlightenment and of modern science were perverted into ideology.

843 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:14:46am

re: #840 HDrepub
PIMF
Willing the end but refusing to will any realistic means to that end. Define Define stoday's Democrats

844 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:19:55am

re: #840 HDrepub

Moral infantilism

Willing the end but refusing to will any realistic means to that end. Define today's Democrats

The word "Wuss" comes to mind.

845 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:21:06am

re: #841 Silhouette

The French Revolution is compared often to the US, but they are vastly different. The French Revolution was the same old story of class envy. The rich were killed and their belongings taken. Much like later communist revolutions, a group of leaders fires up the crowd to overthrow the current regime and take the money and power, only to have the revolutionary leaders become the new controlers.

In the US, it was often the privledged landowners themselves who risked everything to give the power of self-determination to everyone.

A good rule of thumb is that if your revolution requires purges, your ideology is probably flawed.

/my take

I had a "Western History" prof who marked my test wrong when I suggested that the American Revolution was the most important event in the last few hundred years.

His belief was that the French Revolution was more important.

pfft.

846 HDrepub  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:21:27am

re: #844 LanceKates

Define today's Democrats

The word "Wuss" comes to mind.

Actually I mean moral infantilists defines today's Democrats, but yours fits nicely too. :)

847 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:23:07am

re: #845 LanceKates

I had a "Western History" prof who marked my test wrong when I suggested that the American Revolution was the most important event in the last few hundred years.

His belief was that the French Revolution was more important.

pfft.

Instead of the "shot heard 'round the world" it was the "head chop heard 'round the world?"

848 debutaunt  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:29:06am

re: #790 lawhawk

This is funny. Slublog photoshopped the Obama header for a more accurate reflection of the state of Obamarama. Ace has it.

Hilarious!

849 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:31:57am

re: #831 Killgore Trout

I misspoke. The common factor was French Enlightenment (see guys like Rousseau) Our revolution and theirs are inexorably tied together.

Our revolution preceded theirs and therefore cannot be inexorably tied to theirs.
The only French thinker who had serious influence on our Founders was Montesquieu. The Federalist Papers are probably the best refutation of Rousseau ever written. It was the British Enlightenment (& English constitutional traditions) that formed our institutions. You are drinking the bath water and throwing out our baby!
On modern irrationalism, see Irving Babbitt's Rousseau and Romanticism. There are scores of good books on Rousseau and his influence, but that's one of the best off the top of my head.
Obama = Rousseau man.

850 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:34:36am

re: #847 Silhouette

Instead of the "shot heard 'round the world" it was the "head chop heard 'round the world?"

My stance was that, given all of the wonderful things the United States has done, including helping to turn the tide in 2 world wars, and helping to defeat communism in Russia, the American Revolution has proven to be the most important event.

His stance was that the French threw off their king, so they win.

Didn't seem to make a difference... France is basically the same size that it's been since then and it has been conquored a few times, only for us to free.

851 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:40:04am

re: #837 Killgore Trout

They were still as monarchy. Parliment's power in those days was pretty limited. The main decisions were still made by a supreme leader who inherited the position. There was no elected prime minister like there is today.

Glorious Revolution 1688....English Bill of Rights...Ay, ay, ay! Que cosa!
Parliament held more power than the monarchs. Do you know that Voltaire's model for best government, what he and his pals wanted for France, was the constitutional, parliamentary monarchy of England?
Well, you see, they used to require British history in American high schools.
But that, needless to say, is gone with a very bad wind.

Wikipedia is useful for quick facts....not for ideas.

852 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:42:18am

re: #845 LanceKates

I had a "Western History" prof who marked my test wrong when I suggested that the American Revolution was the most important event in the last few hundred years.

His belief was that the French Revolution was more important.

pfft.

That sums up the essential conflict today.

853 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:43:24am

re: #850 LanceKates

My stance was that, given all of the wonderful things the United States has done, including helping to turn the tide in 2 world wars, and helping to defeat communism in Russia, the American Revolution has proven to be the most important event.

His stance was that the French threw off their king, so they win.

Didn't seem to make a difference... France is basically the same size that it's been since then and it has been conquored a few times, only for us to free.

Looking at a globe, they also seem to be holding on to the most overseas colonies.

But the US is colonialist/imperialist.

854 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:45:06am

re: #852 wolfie

That sums up the essential conflict today.

including the 'pfft' part?

I did that in class. He didn't like it.

855 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:45:29am

re: #853 incanus

Looking at a globe, they also seem to be holding on to the most overseas colonies.

But the US is colonialist/imperialist.

That's because we succeed. Without angering 'French youths'

856 bill-tb  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:55:35am

Scrub, scrub, those bad parts away. Got to make this collectivist look like he is an upstanding America. What's next, flag pins? There isn't a dimes worth of distance between any of these two Marxists and not much between the socialist wanna be.

857 TheMadKing  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:58:02am

Hi, All! Mad King here. I was the one that gave Charles & Co. the hot tip on Michelle Obama's name disappearing from El-Hady's Obama web page. Glad to be of service!

It would have been one thing waking up and finding El-Hady's Obama page gone. That was expected, and has happened. But I must have clicked on El-Hady's page at JUST the right millisecond after Michelle's name vanished as El-Hady's self-chosen 'Friend.'

In the dead of night, of course. Anyway, here's the link to my exclusive story from last night, which Charles (and now Michelle Malkin) also linked to my Nom de Guerre, Mad King.

[Link: www.digitaljournal.com...]

I figured if McCain wouldn't run with it, Hillary might. So I emailed a link to her campaign, LOL!

I love guerilla journalism :)

858 TheMadKing  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:02:17pm

PS Any votes or comments on my Digital Journal exclusive on Mr. El-Hady's lost friendship with Michelle Obama would be greatly appreciated. Those go up, my pay goes up. Thanks!

Ciao!

859 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:19:22pm

re: #854 LanceKates

including the 'pfft' part?

I did that in class. He didn't like it.

Pfft vs. Fwance
That's it!
Sounds like a no-brainer to me!

860 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:24:01pm

The French Revolution only proves one thing to me.

Everybody has beaten the French in a war, even the French.

/French bashing

861 PETN Sandwich  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:24:15pm

Whoops... the memory hole is in action... but someone hasn't purged google yet...

google Hatem El-Hady site:.barackobama.com

And you get Michelle's cache, fatima, and hatem

862 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:28:16pm

re: #860 Silhouette

The French Revolution only proves one thing to me.

Everybody has beaten the French in a war, even the French.

/French bashing

It is to laugh ! :D

863 Izzy Dunne  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:33:20pm

re: #861 PETN Sandwich

Wow - I went over there and got to Michelle's page and "Rick"'s page.


Amazing how many "friends" they have with HUSSEIN in their names.

864 Izzy Dunne  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:38:33pm

It's also amazing the categories he puts people in at that site:
Asian Americans
African Americans
Environmentalists
First Americans (Native Americans is now un-PC?)
Latinos
LGBT
People of Faith (?)
Students
Veterans
Women

No Antarctic-Americans
No Appalachian-Americans
No Typical White Americans
No room for me.

865 Roggie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:58:10pm

Liberals can't help but show who they are. And no, the media will not pick this up, but as previously mentioned, no one cares because no one trusts the msm anymore. Just today I read a study where one percent of the participants trusted the traditional media outlets.

866 Jaydee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 2:01:23pm

There is a still a cached Hatem Elhady's page on that website, referring to Michelle - get it quick before it goes LOL

[Link: 64.233.183.104...]

sorry if it has already been put on this thread, far too many posts to check.

867 jaydee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 2:13:49pm

Ooops! Sorry, just seen the link further up.

868 Charles  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 2:38:59pm

I just noticed that in the version of the page with Michelle Obama's name removed, they also removed the little fundraising thermometer graphic.

869 pat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 3:43:17pm

re: #868 Charles

I just noticed that in the version of the page with Michelle Obama's name removed, they also removed the little fundraising thermometer graphic.

There fund raising efforts may gone cold.

870 Jaydee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 6:26:01pm

This one?
lol

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

871 Jaydee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 6:32:41pm

I have just looked again at the link I put up #866, and noticed a link on there, which I hadn't seen before (it is just underneath the theremometer pic).

Groups
Muslims 4 Obama
Joined: Feb 19th, 2008

link: [Link: my.barackobama.com...]

(off to have a read)

872 redmirabai  Sun, Apr 27, 2008 9:42:14am

re: #591 rawmuse

873 liberalforisrael  Sun, Apr 27, 2008 11:06:06pm
Hillary's taking notes from LGF. I think her Lizard nickname must be Vampira or Dragon Lady.


Instead of bashing Hillary, be hopeful that she is able to stop Hussein Obama. And if she does, be grateful. Pathological Clinton-hatred is what brought us to this point in the first place, where we have enemies of America frighteningly close to the White House.


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