In short, people who think like that are bat-shat nuts.

The author of the GoV piece exhibits all the signs of a regressive response to anxiety.

I think he has more psychological problems than just that.

Liberalism is a mental disorder, after all...

Real solutions to problems (particularly those involving people) are never simple.

OT

2nd dumbest media question of the day

" What are the chances of capturing the Shark?"

Oh about the same as finding it in your garage.

Double Dumbass.

I forget who said it, but it is still true: Any philosophy which requires a new type of human being for it to succeed is doomed to failure.

The future of Europe is darker than that I thought

re: #3 Fat Jolly Penguin

And there is a book on that subject too

I found the article to be disgusting myself. But there has so far been genocide, or the more PC "ethnic cleansing" in places in recent years involving the ROP...

Genocide by the ROP against NON ROP'ers. Such as in Darfur.

This should not and cannot be ignored. Indeed, if there is to be genocide as a result of the rise of islam, it will be by the muslims to wipe out the remaining non muslim population. Then they will turn the sword on muslims not muslim enough for them.

This topic is so boring. I hate when it comes up on LGF.

And that El Ingles cree commented over at ShrinkWrapped as well. Dymphna as well.

Dymphna is especially deranged, IMHO.

I have admired your refusal to indulge in armchair psychoanalyzing. It is, at the very least, a boundary violation. Before this post, I would have been willing to swear that you were incapable of this. I have been disabused of that notion.

If El Ingles essay is so obviously an example of regressive anxiety, how would you characterize Swift's "A Modest Proposal"?

Your response to his essay is disappointing and unenlightening, to say the least. In my opinion what you have done is also unprofessional. It is presumptuous to assign a psychiatric label to another human being based on one essay.

It wouldn't be so bad if you hadn't already indulged in a heavy case of awfulizing a situation previously yourself.

I am saddened by what you have done.

She should speak for herself. We are rather saddened that she chose to ally with fascists and taint our cause of freedom.

This piece is all well and good....but....

That being said, Islam will never adjust, the only things that will adjust is our ( the US and Europe) catering to that backwards ass cult. Oh and Islam's way of warping things to make them seem like the down trodden. And maybe the way they make backpack bombs might be changed (nods to Obama) to adjust.
The seeds of the Mo cult are firmly planted in the soil of Europe...and in the minds of it's loony followers. No form of dialogue, meetings, or special prayer halls, or grants, special housing or anything else is going to change what Islam is. It is what it is...a death cult that want's your head on a pike or you alive under thier feet.

Hey Jammie, if you are out there, you just got mail :)

If the Islamists suddenly found themselves with no infidels to hate, they'd make killing each other a full time occupation. Why is the concept so difficult to grasp?

There has to be a middle ground between genocide and joining the caliphate. If Western values are superior (and I believe they are), we have to be willing to fight for them. I could imagine European Muslims freeing themselves from the grip of Islamic extremism, although right now they're being held hostage by the militants. However, if we aren't willing to uphold Western values, we have no reason to expect Muslims to embrace them.

He posits Islam as an existential threat to Europe and from that first assumption, several other assumptions and their attendant conclusions follow. A second assumption is that Europe has specific cultural and ethnic attributes that must be preserved at all costs.

Um....Anyone know a good shrink for me, cause, I see nothing wrong it that (accept for the "all costs" because that apparently is referring to genocide at the worse or murder at the least.)

Europe has a culture. Beethoven, Shakespeare, you know, the usual suspects.

It is under threat. Read Eurabia.

(and what's a "Palestine?)

Many Muslims around the world may cheer when Israeli, American, or European infidels are murdered in the name of Islam but the vast majority have no interest in entering an existential fight they know they would lose.

I don't agree with that statement.

Fundamentalist Islam's rigidity means that it is fragile. It does not stand up well to exposure to ridicule. Many Muslims applauded the rioting that followed the cartoon Jihad, but many more were embarrassed by their co-religionists excesses.

I told you, embarrassment will bring victory, many many times.

It is not a coincidence that once exposed to the scrutiny of the international community, apostates are now routinely being spared the death penalty Islam has traditionally demanded, women who have been raped are not being stoned to death, and FGM (female genital mutilation) is being increasingly criticized from within Islam itself. Further, there is an immense fifth column living within the heart of Muslim populations that, once engaged and exploited, will destabilize Islam as never before.

I don't agree.

Europe may yet commit cultural suicide, but genocide as a defense is indefensible.

I agree.

OT, but Abbasshole says no progress was made in talks with Bush

(Note: it is a typically slanted AP article, not written by the Jerusalem Post)

Basically, Abbasshole is pissed that Bush and Rice aren't pressuring Israel to stop building "settlements" and withdraw to 67 borders, so the Palis can kill them more easily.

re: #3 Fat Jolly Penguin

Liberalism is a mental disorder, after all...

That doesn't address the point.

re: #12 annelid

you're right

re: #14 markie

Correct. They have been killing each other for the past 1400 yrs

"..no alternatives to genocide...'

God, what a horrifying concept, regardless of the target of the genocide/religicide or whatever 'cide' you choose to support or accept, no matter how tacitly.

re: #12 annelid

Oh, dear.

Why on earth are you so despairing?

re: #18 Dianna

That doesn't address the point.

Yes, I know. It was a semi-sarcastic response to the "psychological malfunctions" bit.

The author of the orignal piece is in the comments playing the victim card. Basically - the old, handy-dandy out of context meme.

There is no excuse or reason to speculate on when geneocide would be a good thing.

I said on the thread yesterday that I sure hope we don't have to go back to Europe to prevent another Holocaust, this time against the Muslims. I hate islam, but for pete's sake... Genocide? WTF?

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Genocide offers an imagined simple solution for often intractable problems.

Indeed- the victims are merely scapegoats, while the underlying problems remain unfixed. If all the muslims in europe were to leave tomorrow- europe would still have massive issues- mostly stemming from socialism- the real cause of most of their problems.

re: #10 thesavagenation

This topic is so boring. I hate when it comes up on LGF.

BORING? Making people aware of this kind of thinking is BORING?

Wow.

re: #5 Persian Shoe

OT

2nd dumbest media question of the day

" What are the chances of capturing the Shark?"

Oh about the same as finding it in your garage.

Double Dumbass.

Rates up there with one of the official comments of "Who ever heard of a shark attack?"

Genocide may have “worked” at one time in human history, but just as trepaning and bleeding with leeches is no longer considered state of the art medical treatment, genocide is no longer considered an acceptable solution to the problems it purports to address.

Problems:

1. Genocide has never "worked".
2. Genocide is never acceptable under any circumstances, and never was acceptable except by totalitarian governments, which by themselves are unacceptable.
3. Leeches at least have a use in medicine, and are even used today. Genocide never served any purposed but to express raw hatred against a group, usually for imagined wrongs.

Not too long ago the Temple my parent's attended had a interfaith dialogue. I went along...to hear the Immam's spin on things. The audience hung on his everyword, how Islam is being corrupted and how it truly is a religion of peace.

During the break, some congregants were talking amongst themselves and they were the typical lefty types. They bought the whole megila, lock stock and barrel. I said to one of them , That cult's history is nothing but a blood stained battle plan spread on the tip of a sword. Of course I was chastised for not "seeing the good in others". I said , "oh really, then explain to me where ever there's a conflict in the world, I can assure you pretty much that the ROP is involved". I was then asked if I was a Republican and I said no..but I'm a realist. The reality is that when you sit there with them,waxing poetic, singing kumbaya and holding hands, they're plotting your destruction.

That the Islamic problem is profound in Europe is clear.
It is also clear that a great portion of Islam seeks at the very least a cultural cleansing of Europe.
Genocide can never be the answer. You then become people every bit as bad or worse than the targeted population.
It seems to me that the answer is to resist Muslim demands for the host to modify & grant special privileges. The laws need to be strictly enforced.
The goal is to assimilate those that will assimilate & make the others so uncomfortable that the will go to a Muslim country.
And no foot baths or halal meals at school.It is interpreted as triumph.

[Link: www.forward.com...]

Washington — Heavy-equipment giant Caterpillar opened negotiations with Christian groups that were threatening to divest from the company because of its sales to Israel.

The United Methodist Church has been contemplating a resolution to pull investments from Caterpillar because of the use of the company’s machinery in the West Bank. In a statement from Caterpillar sent to Methodist leaders April 7, the company said it would call on its clients to use their equipment in ways “consistent with human rights and requirements of international humanitarian law.”

Caterpillar also promised to look into engaging in “possible philanthropic activities in Palestinian areas.”

would you all please call your churches and tell them the facts

Islam will adjust to the modern world, the only question is how painful it will be. Furhermore, modern Islam will arise, but it will be as different from Islam today (meaning 7th century Islam), as modern Christianity is from the Christianity of the Inquisition and the Witch trials. If Europe makes the transition peacefully, modern Islam will be able to coexist with 21st Century society just as easliy as modern Christianity.

re: #22 Dianna
Hi Dianna. Went back and finished the GoV thread from last night. Tom Kratman shows up. Seriously scary military guy with military thoughts. (He's banned)

re: #15 doppelganglander

There has to be a middle ground between genocide and joining the caliphate. If Western values are superior (and I believe they are), we have to be willing to fight for them. I could imagine European Muslims freeing themselves from the grip of Islamic extremism, although right now they're being held hostage by the militants. However, if we aren't willing to uphold Western values, we have no reason to expect Muslims to embrace them.

Yes, we have to uphold our values, our laws, our civilisation.
We can fight the islamists by using our laws: trouble is, the multi-culti-steeped, politically-correct governments in Europe are still too scared of doing this: might lose them votes come the next election.

As for Muslims freeing themsevles from the grip of islamism - that is not going to happen. The more I read and learn about that ROP the more I see that we get lulled into a false sense of security if we think there is a sort of islamic 'middle way.
The highly esteemed Robert Spencer has been writing about this in detail.

The best way, for the moment, is to see that our laws are kept, with no regard to muslim customs, anywhere at all.
If they don't like it, they are free to go: nobody is forcing to stay in the USA, in GB, France, Germany.
They can do their religion in the same way as we do ours.

For the rest, see Matth. 10, 16

Gordon -

I disagree.
For example, where's all the wonderful inventions coming out of the middle east, other than buzzing prayer rugs, zam zam soda production and kassam rockets?
Some say , look to S.A. Sure, and if it wasn't for oil being discovered there, the country would be as ass backwards as Afghanistan.
You might say Islam might be dragged to the 21 st century,kicking and screaming (and carrying some symtex). I doubt it. It's adherent's are more than happy to live in the squalor and misery that the cult provides. It's been like that since,what, the 7th century? Why change now?

That's an eloquent piece of analysis, although it's a bit weird to me that we're even having to talk about this. Genocide, that is. It's ridiculous and requires much less eloquence than displayed here.

I also like the "The Arab Mind" entry there, although the named subject is far too broad. Might be better called "The 'Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice' Mind." Which does roll right off the tongue.

re: #33 snowcrash

Hi Dianna. Went back and finished the GoV thread from last night. Tom Kratman shows up. Seriously scary military guy with military thoughts. (He's banned)

Yeah, he looked like he'd been around a bit, but commented rarely. Gotta wonder if he found his way over to GoV yet.

re: #11 Honorary Yooper

I'm sure she's still sensitive to "armchair psychoanalyzing" since the Dr. Sanity phone call was accidentally webcasted.

re: #30 opnion

That the Islamic problem is profound in Europe is clear.
It is also clear that a great portion of Islam seeks at the very least a cultural cleansing of Europe.
Genocide can never be the answer. You then become people every bit as bad or worse than the targeted population.
It seems to me that the answer is to resist Muslim demands for the host to modify & grant special privileges. The laws need to be strictly enforced.
The goal is to assimilate those that will assimilate & make the others so uncomfortable that the will go to a Muslim country.
And no foot baths or halal meals at school.It is interpreted as triumph.

Yes, and if they seethe, then either deport them or imprison them.
If they come to Europe, it should be to live in European culture, not to make it like the place they left. If they want to live under Sharia, go to an Islamic country.
But we know their goal is a Caliphate. We just need to keep them from that goal. They can have the ones they already have; no more (and I include "Palestine" in the "no more" group.)

re: #33 snowcrash

Tom got banned? Oh.

In a way, I'm not surprised. He's sometimes referred to as Genghis Kratman.

What - dare I ask - did he say? Just a summary will do.

If Europe would stop pandering to sensitivity of the "immigrants" in exchange for a night free of carbeques. And expect and demand assimilation of immigrants it would go a long way.

re: #11 Honorary Yooper

If El Ingles essay is so obviously an example of regressive anxiety, how would you characterize Swift's "A Modest Proposal"?

Uh, satire?

re: #38 Sharmuta

I'm sure she's still sensitive to "armchair psychoanalyzing" since the Dr. Sanity phone call was accidentally webcasted.

Heh, yeah. I fully expect a retaliatory post now. That makes two blogs that have taken notice, and several people who flagged their blog.

I found this:

McCain Blog - Make Your Opinions Known

It really does say that - so opine away.

re: #37 Honorary Yooper

I wish I could link to his finishing essay at the end of Caliphate. It's a pretty forthright statement of his views; and his views do not include advocating genocide.

re: #31 ploome hineni

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re: #35 annelid

The operative part of my statement in response would be "the only question is how painful it will be." "how painful" relates to a spectrum from not very painful to extended military actions and defeat of Islamists similar to the Japanese during WWII. Accordingly, my belief is that modernism is sure to prevail, but the cost may be high.

Much as we may loathe the GoV nutbags, we should be cautious about endorsing psychoanalysis of people whom the author(s) have never met. This is, after all, the kind of thing used against us routinely by academic researchers who treat conservatism as a mental illness to be cured.

I was talking about this to a friend this morning and realized again the difference between America and Europe. In America, nationality does not equal ethnicity, in Most of Europe that isn't true. A Swede(for example) has been both nationally and ethnically Swedish. Until they can get past that, where a Turkish Swede can feel that Gustavus Adolphus is HIS hero, then assimilation won't work. Americans, regardless of ethnic origin see George Washington as their hero.

Also American culture is intrinsically excellence based, it always strives to be bigger and better. So in the discussion of which culture is best for your children, America wins over immigrant culture. American consumes and adds cultural excellence of the immigrants to itself.

Modern liberal thinking, which has little to no argument in Europe, decries excellence and achievement,i.e., we should all be equal. Thus it becomes mediocre and has nothing to recommend itself over any other culture. Aggressive immigrating cultures overwhelm it.

Unless Europe can become America on the meta level, it is doomed.

re: #32 Gordon Marock

Islam will adjust to the modern world, the only question is how painful it will be. Furhermore, modern Islam will arise, but it will be as different from Islam today (meaning 7th century Islam), as modern Christianity is from the Christianity of the Inquisition and the Witch trials. If Europe makes the transition peacefully, modern Islam will be able to coexist with 21st Century society just as easliy as modern Christianity.

I agree to a point.If Western Societies keep caving in to unrealistic demands, such as trashing free speech rights so as to not offend Muslims,modification will not come.
Young Muslims will see the radicals succeeding & they will look prophetic.
There has to be assimilation. Celebrating diversity at the expense of unity is a loser.

re: #44 DistantThunder

I found this:

McCain Blog - Make Your Opinions Known

It really does say that - so opine away.

Try this link: for some reason that other one doesn't work

McCain Blog - Make Your Opinions Known

Then look for the Blog link in the "action center" on the right side down on the page.

In a nutshell what kind of military arsenal would be necessary to clear out a Muslim banlieu.

It will adjust to the modern world.

Rumors of extreme penis shrinkage spread on cell phones, "rape" via cell phone, divorce via cell phone, cell phone footage of homosexuals being hanged, cell phone footage of girls getting stoned (their kind, not my kind), etc etc.

It is possible that Islam, freed from Wahabism and other fundamentalist forms, could become a religion that can coexist with others. The Wahabis, Iranian Shiites, etc, would consider its adherents infidels, but I think it is still possible.
Look at the more educated Muslims from India, for example.
But we need to stop the Saudi-funded madrassas, not only in Muslim countries, but in the US and Europe.

re: #49 billhedrick

The difference between BRitish and English.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! I went over there, out of curiousity to see what I could see, and this was too good to pass up.

Sodra Djavul said...
Welcome to our LGF trolls!

Followed by this at the end:

You attack the Gates, you attack it at your own peril. See you inside the ranks, Lizardkin...

I take it someone got another sock puppet and wants to use it.

Can't we all just get along?
/

Given euro history, genocide and oppression of minorities even with out cause is the norm. And the terrorism/jihadi terrorism might be the spark that sets it off. TIME FOR JEWS TO GET THERE TOUCKAS OUT OF EUROLAND. Why any jew would stay in europe after ww2 is beyond all reason.

re: #51 DistantThunder

Try this link: for some reason that other one doesn't work

McCain Blog - Make Your Opinions Known

Then look for the Blog link in the "action center" on the right side down on the page.

McCain's blog has a link to LGF, and to Michelle Malkin.

re: #25 Sharmuta

Indeed- the victims are merely scapegoats, while the underlying problems remain unfixed. If all the muslims in europe were to leave tomorrow- europe would still have massive issues- mostly stemming from socialism- the real cause of most of their problems.

This cannot be stressed enough, Sharmuta!

re: #50 opnion

Celebrating diversity at the expense of unity is a loser.

Excellent! Pithy! Hear, hear!

re: #55 Ben Hur

The difference between BRitish and English.

Exactly. that's why I think the UK has a better chance. If you look at the UK, there are Brits of Indian, Pakistani, African, Carribean, etc origin. A blessed side effect of the Empire.

re: #9 wildcat84

I found the article to be disgusting myself. But there has so far been genocide, or the more PC "ethnic cleansing" in places in recent years involving the ROP...

Genocide by the ROP against NON ROP'ers. Such as in Darfur.

This should not and cannot be ignored. Indeed, if there is to be genocide as a result of the rise of islam, it will be by the muslims to wipe out the remaining non muslim population. Then they will turn the sword on muslims not muslim enough for them.

DURFARIANS are also muslims they are african muslims not arab muslims

re: #34 yma o hyd

Yes, we have to uphold our values, our laws, our civilisation.
We can fight the islamists by using our laws: trouble is, the multi-culti-steeped, politically-correct governments in Europe are still too scared of doing this: might lose them votes come the next election.

As for Muslims freeing themsevles from the grip of islamism - that is not going to happen. The more I read and learn about that ROP the more I see that we get lulled into a false sense of security if we think there is a sort of islamic 'middle way.
The highly esteemed Robert Spencer has been writing about this in detail.

The best way, for the moment, is to see that our laws are kept, with no regard to muslim customs, anywhere at all.
If they don't like it, they are free to go: nobody is forcing to stay in the USA, in GB, France, Germany.
They can do their religion in the same way as we do ours.

For the rest, see Matth. 10, 16

You're quite right, Europeans have shown little desire to uphold Western values. The rule of law is basically what makes civilized life possible, and we must enforce that at all costs. I also agree that giving in to Muslim demands is a bad idea. Muslims in the West are using our guarantees of civil liberties against us, turning equal treatment into special treatment. They demand respect but refuse to respect others. What I'm saying is that if Europe were to stand up for Western values (which they are not doing at present), many European Muslims might adopt those values and reject extremism. Or, as you suggest, those who do not wish to adapt will relocate to a more congenial country. Either way is fine with me.

re: #52 snowcrash

Ah. Well, he's written about that before.

That doesn't mean he advocates it, it means he's thought about it.

You are aware that he was an instructor at the war college?

re: #54 Kosh's Shadow

It is possible that Islam, freed from Wahabism and other fundamentalist forms, could become a religion that can coexist with others. The Wahabis, Iranian Shiites, etc, would consider its adherents infidels, but I think it is still possible.
Look at the more educated Muslims from India, for example.
But we need to stop the Saudi-funded madrassas, not only in Muslim countries, but in the US and Europe.

The sad fact is, that as long as the Koran stays in its current form and is viewed as the literal word of god, it will be tough to coexist.
Islam has never had a reformation & really needs one. Their book needs a redo & much of it has to be viewed as metaphorical.
Allah of the Koran hates us & exhorts the believers to kill us. Charming.

re: #59 DistantThunder

McCain's blog has a link to LGF, and to Michelle Malkin.

ohh, you can bet the dhimmis will use that this cycle. I can see it now:..McCain linked to hate-speech blog site....that's how the MSM will play it. Get ready Charles, it's election time and your name is about to be in the lights again!

Police say drunk driver killed cyclist in crash

MARSHFIELD - Gary Sanborn pedaled his bike in the dark along Route 139, the price he had to pay after pleading guilty to four drunken driving offenses and having his license revoked.

In a sad twist, Sanborn died while riding his bicycle Tuesday night, struck by a pickup truck whose driver, police say, was drunk.

Man's inhumanity to man will never stop.
All of the homogeniousness in in the tribe doesn't stop ''honor killings'' inside the tribe.
Inside of Hamas a minor disagreement might be twisted into a false accusation of ''homosexuality,'' just so the mob will throw one of two sides off a tall building for the other side.
Look at how Iraq's Zawahiri and Afghanistan's Zarkawi fought about the issue of killing Shiites/Sunni's later, not now.
The fighting won't end and a country where the culture is all unified won't stop it anymore than anything else people might try.

re: #63 yochanan

Some residents of Darfur are muslim. Some aren't.

Darfur is nothing new in Sudan. This has been going for more than 20 years, systematically, sponsored by Khartoum.

But nobody has ever cared, except a few churches and people who hate slavery and murder. In the end, no one else will much care about the people of Darfur, either, never mind how much attention the anti-slavery people try to draw to it.

re: #60 wolfie

Thank you!

Europe's real problem is it's socialist nature. It has given rise to their welfare state, for one, and also to encroachments on their freedoms, high tax rates and high unemployment- just to name a few. Interesting enough- I think if they were to start fixing their issues with socialism, europe might not look so comfortable to the islamists.

And I'd like to also say to those who continually advocate the europeans start having more children- how do you expect those euros to afford those children with the expense of the socialist states they're really supporting?

The problem in europe is socialism.

re: #46 paxnhymn

Go get 'em , Pax!
Do John Wesley proud!

re: #62 billhedrick

Exactly. that's why I think the UK has a better chance. If you look at the UK, there are Brits of Indian, Pakistani, African, Carribean, etc origin. A blessed side effect of the Empire.

Exactly!
(Mind, a few Scots, Irish and Welsh are also hanging about ...)
Hindus, Sikhs, Rastas all have their temples, their festivals - there is no trouble.

I like the concept of "Societal Regression". I'm going to have to explore that idea a little more. I wonder if that's why I simply can't consider myself a conservative.

No one ever counts the Welsh!

:(

re: #70 Dianna

Some residents of Darfur are muslim. Some aren't.

Darfur is nothing new in Sudan. This has been going for more than 20 years, systematically, sponsored by Khartoum.

But nobody has ever cared, except a few churches and people who hate slavery and murder. In the end, no one else will much care about the people of Darfur, either, never mind how much attention the anti-slavery people try to draw to it.

IN THE SOUTH OF THE SUDAN WAS CHRISTIAN AND AMIST Darfar is muslim and african were khartoum is muslim and arab.

Excellent article, I have never heard of shrinkwrapped blogs, but I'm impressed.

re: #49 billhedrick

And unless we can protect, conserve, and (in some cases) restore American values, we may be "doomed," too.

re: #7 winston06

The future of Europe is darker than that I thought

Lets root for those Montreal Canadian's eh?

Genocide is a venerable, ancient tribal custom. Where do you suppose all the Neanderthals that used to roam Europe are hiding (besides the ones in Iran)?

re: #70 Dianna

My former church sponsored a family from Sudan over to North Carolina 7 years ago. Their oldest daughter is married, with a college degree and living with her husband in Canada now. The oldest son recently graduated from an ACC school and has taken up his profession. Hint, he's an athlete of note. All of the kids have thrived in school and sports. Mom and Dad, while living what most of us would consider a modest life, have escaped death at the hands of Islamofacism and the red chinese's lust for unlimited oil.

The best thing my former church ever accomplished outside of scripture.

re: #74 Killgore Trout

I like the concept of "Societal Regression". I'm going to have to explore that idea a little more. I wonder if that's why I simply can't consider myself a conservative.

From the way I read it it's a societies' analog to the regression an individual undergoes when under stress.

re: #79 Maximu§

I will have to disown you then.

Let's go Flyers let's go!

re: #80 wolfgang

Ixnay on the Awriday.
/just kidding.

re: #80 wolfgang

Genocide is a venerable, ancient tribal custom. Where do you suppose all the Neanderthals that used to roam Europe are hiding (besides the ones in Iran)?

Careful, the Neanderthals will show up and be very upset you compared them with the Iranian mullahs.

BATAVIA – David Allen Chapin, who ate the brain of his roommate after he shot him 30 years ago in an argument over whose religion was best, is up for parole in June.

snip

Chapin shot his longtime friend, Donald E. Liming, in the right eye with a rifle in their apartment on Concord Woods Drive in Milford on Oct. 3, 1978. Both were 23. Chapin was a Baptist, while Liming had claimed he was a Catholic, a Buddhist and a pagan.

Lesson to be learned, Lizards.

[Link: news.enquirer.com...]

re: #72 wolfie

Go get 'em , Pax!
Do John Wesley proud!

man, I am so sick a the lunatic fringe in my own damn denomination! And they had the gaul last year to put out a survey asking why membership was down nationwide! Duuuhhh!

re: #80 wolfgang

Genocide is a venerable, ancient tribal custom. Where do you suppose all the Neanderthals that used to roam Europe are hiding (besides the ones in Iran)?

Republicans?

(kidding!)

re: #82 jcm

From the way I read it it's a societies' analog to the regression an individual undergoes when under stress.

That;s the impression i get as well, reading the other articles on regression now.

re: #71 Sharmuta

Thank you!

Europe's real problem is it's socialist nature. It has given rise to their welfare state, for one, and also to encroachments on their freedoms, high tax rates and high unemployment- just to name a few. Interesting enough- I think if they were to start fixing their issues with socialism, europe might not look so comfortable to the islamists.

And I'd like to also say to those who continually advocate the europeans start having more children- how do you expect those euros to afford those children with the expense of the socialist states they're really supporting?

The problem in europe is socialism.

Too right!
The welfare state has made generations depended on the state, they have forgotten how to care for themselves.
It is now so grotesque that ordinary families, with children, hard-working, have less money to spend than those 'on benefit', because they have to pay with their taxes for all that 'welfare'.
Can someone explain to me why, when bigamy is illegal in the UK, and bigamists get sent to prison, a muslim can have four wives, and get state support for them (they don't work, natch!) and their children?
Because we don't get it - but our politicians seem to ...

re: #85 Kosh's Shadow

Careful, the Neanderthals will show up and be very upset you compared them with the Iranian mullahs.

Don't they have there own TV show.

re: #78 wolfie

And unless we can protect, conserve, and (in some cases) restore American values, we may be "doomed," too.

Uh huh. There seems to be a rather large part of our society that is embarrassed by our values, culture & success. A lot of it is driven by guilt.

re: #81 BulgarWheat

I'm really glad to hear that!

I've been involved in this issue since the early 80's, and you're one of the few people I've ever run into who has the slightest clue.

sigh.

Hey Charles, can we get an open thread for those of us who, on a Friday afternoon, a) don't feel like talking about GoV and genocide, and b) don't feel like shit-slinging about McCain?

re: #75 Ben Hur

No one ever counts the Welsh!

:(

They don't even know where we live, sob ...

re: #82 jcm
From the first in the series.....

It has long been recognized that in the face of trauma, a person tends to regress. This essentially means that when highly stressed, we tend to fall back on more primitive mental functioning to face the trauma. Once the situation has resolved, reasonably intact people, in the absence of the most severe trauma, are able to slowly reconstitute over time and regain their prior level of functioning.

re: #65 Dianna
Di, I am just glad there are people who weigh an measure these things for our best interest.

Border agents to use paintball guns to fend off attackers

Are we going soft, or what?

re: #81 BulgarWheat

Their oldest daughter is married, with a college degree and living with her husband in Canada now. The oldest son recently graduated from an ACC school and has taken up his profession.

Well... fine, but AmeriKKKa is still a racist, fascist nightmare...

/Wright

re: #96 Killgore Trout

From the

The Nazis drew on the germ theory of disease to describe the need to heal the "body" of Europe by eradicating the Jewish "disease organisms" within that body. Hence, the genocidal Final Solution to the Jewish question.

It seems that El Ingles at Gates of Vienna looks on Muslims similarly. If one wants to use an analogy of health and disease, however, I would liken Muslims in Europe to a particular type of tissue within the body of Europe. That some of the cells of that type have developed a cancer of Islamofascist hatred and jihadism doesn't mean that the cure requires eliminating that entire type of tissue from the body -- that would be damaging to the body in and of itself -- but it does require excising or destroying the cancerous cells. It also requires seeking out and neutralizing the triggers that cause healthy cells of that tissue to turn malignant.

re: #94 Occasional Reader

sigh.

Hey Charles, can we get an open thread for those of us who, on a Friday afternoon, a) don't feel like talking about GoV and genocide, and b) don't feel like shit-slinging about McCain?

Oh forget it.

re: #89 Killgore Trout

That;s the impression i get as well, reading the other articles on regression now.

Odd coinicedence. Last night our continuing ED course for our foster license was on anger management for abused and Autism Spectrum Disorder kids. The techniques for handling them are similar.

Regression was major focal point.

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