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Bell: A Home-Grown 'Champion of Islam'

Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 9:30:27 am PDT

Stewart Bell has a scary piece about the increasing numbers of young Canadian Muslims indoctrinated into extremism, focusing on one especially nasty Home-grown ‘champion of Islam’.

TORONTO -Naeem Muhammad Khan wants everyone to “Support Our Troops,” but he’s not talking about the Canadian Forces in Kandahar.

From his apartment in Toronto, Mr. Khan has been posting messages on the Internet calling Osama bin Laden a “hero” and “champion of Islam.” The 23-year-old fundamentalist’s online logo combines the black Taliban flag and the outline of an AK-47 above the “Support Our Troops” slogan.

Between sips of iced coffee at Tim Hortons, Mr. Khan explained that he is a supporter of the Taliban, as well as other armed Islamic groups.

“ ‘Support our Troops’ means supporting the mujahideen [Muslim soldiers of God] who are fighting for their freedom and rights against illegal occupation in many, many places over the world like Afghanistan, Iraq, Chechnya, Kashmir, Palestine and Somalia,” he said later in an e-mail.

Views like these are becoming increasingly common in Western countries, Canada included, and they are worrying to governments concerned about radicalism and violence. Mr. Khan is an Islamist, not a terrorist, but what most disturbs moderate Muslims are his harsh comments about those who do not subscribe to fundamentalist beliefs.

In his online postings, Mr. Khan calls Tarek Fatah, Irshad Manji and other moderates “apostates,” and says that under Islamic law, the punishment for apostasy is death. The same goes for those who insult Islam.

“Behead her!!! And make a nice video and post it on YouTube,” he writes about one “Islam basher.” As for “Jews who support Zionism and Israel ... since they are killing Palestinians ... killing them is not bad ... they deserve to die.”

Where are people like Naeem Muhammad Khan learning this Dark Ages hatred? Where else? In the mosques.

“In recent times, hundreds of Islamic radicals have settled in Canada,” said Tahir Gora, a Pakistan-born writer who has been tackling the issue in his Hamilton Spectator columns.

“They are spreading hatred and extremism in the guise of freedom of expression. On the other hand, they put death penalties to those dissidents who challenge the traditional medieval way of Islam.”

Mr. Gora heads the Canada Safety Think Tank, which monitors what he calls the growing Islamist radicalization in the country. He wants Ottawa to take the issue more seriously and believes police should lay hate-crimes charges against extremists who pronounce death sentences on moderates like himself.

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1 VegasRick  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:33:17am

Hey! Naeem Muhammad Khan! Fuck you and your sickass cult! Now come and get me. Boo!

2 zmdavid  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:33:40am

Death threats are legal in Canada? Maybe Bill White should move there.

3 vapig  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:33:58am

Mr. Khan is an Islamist, not a terrorist.

Islamist = Terrorist

nuff said....

4 pat  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:35:19am

It all starts with the Saudis.

5 Dianna  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:35:31am

So how come no one's lodged a human rights complaint?

6 wily  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:35:32am

And where does the Canadian HRC stand in all this?

7 MJ  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:35:55am
"He wants Ottawa to take the issue more seriously and believes police should lay hate-crimes charges against extremists who pronounce death sentences on moderates like himself."

I'd re-think that approach if I were him. From what I've been reading, it would probably be used against those who complain about Islamic extremism, not those who preach it.

8 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:36:03am

One question Mr. Khan - why did you or your parents leave PAKISTAN?
Inqiring minds would love to know.

-S-

9 vapig  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:36:45am

re: #5 Dianna

So how come no one's lodged a human rights complaint?

Because that kangaroo court is only for whitey....

10 paxnhymn  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:36:53am

I thinks it's high time that we exercise the right that just because you say your a religious organization, doesn't mean it's a sanctuary immune from public scrutiny.
I know it's a slippery slope, but somethin's gotta change...

11 pat  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:37:23am

State Department has a name for people like thus. They are called "(classified)"

12 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:39:23am

re: #5 Dianna

So how come no one's lodged a human rights complaint?

/Haven't you heard? Only mooslims have human rights, not us normal folk.

13 MJ  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:39:30am

Canada needs a Second Amendment.

14 vapig  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:39:48am

re: #10 paxnhymn

I thinks it's high time that we exercise the right that just because you say your a religious organization, doesn't mean it's a sanctuary immune from public scrutiny.
I know it's a slippery slope, but somethin's gotta change...

I hear ya. Mosques and more especially madrassa's are unhealthy for a western nation. I believe one or more of the Fort Dix Six went to a Madrassa here in No Virginia. It's still in operation.

15 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:40:21am

re: #5 Dianna

So how come no one's lodged a human rights complaint?

/Haven't you heard? Only mooslims have human rights, not us normal folk they want to kill.

Fixed my own.

16 pat  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:42:04am

If anyone here hasn't read Mark Steyn's piece on the CHR Commission yesterday, you will be shocked to know only white people are racist. And if you deny you are a racist, that proves you are one. And since white people are tacist, as is all Canadian culture, the "minorities" , their language, do not project hatred, but rather cultural rejection of white Canadian culture.

17 NR Pax  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:42:09am

OK, kid; you want to support your troops? Good thinking; go ahead and lead by example. We'll chip in and send you to the country of your choice.

Granted, moral cowards like this wouldn't have the testicular fortitude to support beyond flashy web sites and open threats.

18 John B  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:44:42am

I have quite a bit of respect for people like Tahir Gora and Tarek Fatah who attempt to take these creeps head on. Fatah has had numerous death threats and had to resign his position within the Muslim Canadian Congress due to threats against his wife and children.

As for Tahir Gora:

"He was active in several literary and cultural organizations in Pakistan and was a noted critic of religious intolerance in that country. He fled to Canada in the spring of 1999 following threats to his life."

"He translated Irshad Manji’s book The Trouble with Islam Today in Urdu in 2005. He is translating Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s book Infidel in Urdu."
[Link: www.pencanada.ca...]

19 caliredst8r  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:45:03am

"‘Support our Troops’ means supporting the mujahideen [Muslim soldiers of God] who are fighting for their freedom"

I'm with ya, dude, I completely support their freedom to meet allah courtesy of the US Military! Send in the clowns and we'll "support" them!

20 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:45:33am

re: #16 pat

If anyone here hasn't read Mark Steyn's piece on the CHR Commission yesterday, you will be shocked to know only white people are racist. And if you deny you are a racist, that proves you are one. And since white people are tacist, as is all Canadian culture, the "minorities" , their language, do not project hatred, but rather cultural rejection of white Canadian culture.

Pat - if that is what the CHR Commission believes then the CHR Commission is "A ASS." -S-

21 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:46:43am

Reaping and sowing... War is war even if one side fails to declare or recognize it... he's a traitor to the country he lives in and should be treated as such... failure to do so only encourages the same behavior by more of the same minded volks...

22 itellu3times  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:50:20am

Hey kids, just go emo and goth instead, I mean, really.

23 pat  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:51:03am

re: #20 Dr. Shalit

Pat - if that is what the CHR Commission believes then the CHR Commission is "A ASS." -S-

Found it.
[Link: yidwithlid.blogspot.com...]

24 profitsbeard  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:54:44am

If Osama is his "hero", this weaselscum should be deported and parachuted into the tribal regions of Pakistan to join his idol.

(GPS tracking suppository mandatory.)

25 Sentry  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:55:13am

You know, I've got a buddy whose family is from Pakistan. Okay, his father's passport says he was born in India, but that's another story....albeit a funny one. Still, buddy's pretty well-adjusted about most things. He's got a couple of jobs, volunteers as a personal shopper every time he sees me in my t-shirt and jeans, and likes his booze. The thing is, he didn't go to school in a madrassa or any other sort of Muslim organization. Nope. He went to a Catholic school, despite the fact he's a Muslim. Basically, his only real hangup is acute sphenisciphobia.

Damn, I forgot where I was going with this. Anyway, buddy could have easily fallen in with the Khans and their pals. From what I understand, he grew up in the same neighbourhood....but I suppose the Catholics gave him an appreciation for Boss slacks rather than semtex dinner jackets.

Maybe there's a solution there somewhere.

26 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 9:56:44am
He wants Ottawa to take the issue more seriously and believes police should lay hate-crimes charges against extremists who pronounce death sentences on moderates like himself.

Not that he's wrong, but enough with the PC "hate-crime" mantra bullsh*t. Incitement to violence and threatening another person's life should be enough to file charges and prosecute.

27 Sizzlack  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:00:13am

Fifty bucks this guy's IQ is no greater than about 70.

28 Sounder  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:00:19am

re: #2 zmdavid

Death threats are legal in Canada? Maybe Bill White should move there.

Death threats are illegal in Canada but it is much more important to attack free speech, to persecute people like Ezra Levant who published the Mo cartoons or Mark Steyn who wrote about the impending Muslim population explosion as being witnessed in Europe, all using the handy state tools called Human Rights Commissions (HRCs) where we find Islamists are just fine, rights galore, their views are nationally published but not one Canadian should object to Islam or be afraid of similar trends like in Europe or you will be in court. It's maddening and we import more and more every day. So are you, USA.

29 pat  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:00:26am

re: #26 Sharmuta

Not that he's wrong, but enough with the PC "hate-crime" mantra bullsh*t. Incitement to violence and threatening another person's life should be enough to file charges and prosecute.

Since his threats are against individuals it seems to me that this guy has already committed a misdemeanor.

30 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:00:34am

Khaaaan!
/Cap'n Kirk

31 PaxAmericana  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:02:32am
They are spreading hatred and extremism in the guise of freedom of expression

This should be in bold

32 Macker  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:02:59am

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Khaaaan!
/Cap'n Kirk

There, fixed that for ya!

33 JeremyR  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:03:55am

re: #3 vapig

Mr. Khan is an Islamist, not a terrorist.

Islamist = Terrorist

nuff said....

I'd have to disagree. Terrorists act by blowing themselves to bits, or some other fool hardyy act. Islamists are the cowards who create the terrorists and empower them. Therefore the Islamist is much worse.

34 Sentry  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:04:10am

re: #22 itellu3times

Hey kids, just go emo and goth instead, I mean, really.

I'm trying to grow an emo lawn this Summer so it will cut itself.

35 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:04:20am

re: #32 Macker

Ha!

36 coldpizza  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:04:36am

Please post a recent picture of this Piece of Sh*t. I feel like taking care of it here at Downtown T.O.

Sincerely, had enough of Terrorist Trash.

37 Shug  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:05:05am
From his apartment


Pussy

38 paxnhymn  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:06:32am

re: #37 Shug

Pussy

probably in his burkha clad mom's basement...

39 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:06:39am

There was a time when actions and thoughts such as these would be categorized as sedition and treated appropriately. One day we may actually come to understand that we are at war and winning would be preferable to losing or surrendering. Until then we,the few, must be vigilant.

40 mama winger  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:06:54am

23 years old?

So join up already, Mr. Big Talk.

41 uncleFuzzy  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:07:34am

Looks to me like a cowardly terrorist supporter. What with the tablecloth on his head and all. Here's a question for Naeem Muhammad Khan. If you are so sure of yourself, why the disguise?

And if you feel I'm being a little harsh on this guy, here's my reason. From the article, as to writing about killing others, "Mr. Khan said he was angry when he wrote these and did not mean anyone harm." He doesn't even have the conviction to stand up for what he has written. Yep, what we have here is a cowardly terrorist supporter.

42 Shug  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:07:46am

Basement jihadi
Internet porn and jihad
And Mom pays for both

43 mama winger  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:07:54am

re: #40 mama winger

I've got a well-trained 22 year old that could clean your clock.

44 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:08:08am

re: #10 paxnhymn

I thinks it's high time that we exercise the right that just because you say your a religious organization, doesn't mean it's a sanctuary immune from public scrutiny.
I know it's a slippery slope, but somethin's gotta change...

Religious organizations are immune from public scrutiny? Someone should tell Killgore Trout he's got to lay off the Catholic Church. ;)

45 amphibian  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:08:56am

Our friends the Saudis again. A falafel in every pot and a radical imam in every mosque. At some point, we are going to discover a usable alternative to petroleum and they're going to go back to living in tents, but I wonder how long it will be before this damage can be undone.

46 Shug  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:09:09am
under Islamic law, the punishment for apostasy is death. The same goes for those who insult Islam.

COEXIST!

47 hermeneutics  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:09:17am

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

OT -- this is really interesting. An earthquake map. Click on the area in which you are interested. It will enlarge.

A big earthquake occurred recently in Nevada. And if you look at Alaska, it looks like its about to fall into the ocean. Scary.

48 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:12:34am

re: #47 hermeneutics

Huh, there was one here in Portland yesterday. I didn't even feel it.

49 vapig  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:12:55am

re: #26 Sharmuta

Not that he's wrong, but enough with the PC "hate-crime" mantra bullsh*t. Incitement to violence and threatening another person's life should be enough to file charges and prosecute.

Yes! Let us PLEASE get back to some common sense.

50 mama winger  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:14:21am

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Huh, there was one here in Portland yesterday. I didn't even feel it.

Too many glasses of wine will do that. :)

51 Pent.  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:15:17am
Between sips of iced coffee at Tim Hortons, Mr. Khan explained that he is a supporter of the Taliban...


Surreal.

52 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:16:27am

re: #47 hermeneutics

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

OT -- this is really interesting. An earthquake map. Click on the area in which you are interested. It will enlarge.

A big earthquake occurred recently in Nevada. And if you look at Alaska, it looks like its about to fall into the ocean. Scary.

These relatively small earthquakes are normal and allow the plates to move around and stay comfortable. When things lock-up, it's time to be concerned.

53 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:17:26am

re: #50 mama winger

These old houses sway pretty good in an earthquake. It's a buzz enhancer.

54 paxnhymn  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:18:01am

re: #44 Sharmuta

Religious organizations are immune from public scrutiny? Someone should tell Killgore Trout he's got to lay off the Catholic Church. ;)


LOL! I mean PHYSICAL public scrutiny. I as a kafir couldn't go into a mosque to hear what they have to say without being screened. You know even if I showed interest in them (shudder) I would be given a "handler". I shy away from yet another "big brother" agency, but a local detective ought to be able to flash his badge, be able to walk in with a tape recorder, and the first time he hears about "someone ought to kill someone", "they are to be stoned", etc., the cop outta be able to slap the cuffs on his ass, because that's inciting violence. Now I'm not talkin' about if someone says, "god will put them to death". no. If that person doesn't believe anyway, no harm done. I'm talking about advocating / agitating violence to a section of the populace.

55 vapig  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:18:25am

re: #39 Nevergiveup

There was a time when actions and thoughts such as these would be categorized as sedition and treated appropriately. One day we may actually come to understand that we are at war and winning would be preferable to losing or surrendering. Until then we,the few, must be vigilant.

Being vigilent only means we're watching everything go to hell. I'd say it was time to choose sides.

56 zmdavid  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:18:52am
57 Shug  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:19:06am

re: #55 vapig

Being vigilent only means we're watching everything go to hell. I'd say it was time to choose sides.


I'll take our side over the Iced Coffee Sippers any day

58 pat  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:19:11am

Ran into something interesting at WND. They give LGF/Charles big time kudos for revealing the Obama-El Hady link. I have posted it above.

59 Occasional Reader  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:19:18am

L'il Naeem is also cheering for those who are shooting at Canadian troops in Afghanistan.

It's high time that Western countries remember that there's a REASON we have sedition laws on our books.

60 Maine's Michael  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:19:58am
He wants Ottawa to take the issue more seriously and believes police should lay hate-crimes charges against extremists who pronounce death sentences on moderates like himself.

Heeeeeehaaaaaahooooo . . . . .haaaaaaaaahheeeeeeee. . .hawwwwww . . .cough cough . . .hooohoooheeeehaw

61 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:20:04am

re: #55 vapig

Being vigilent only means we're watching everything go to hell. I'd say it was time to choose sides.

I have chosen my side, I am just waiting for the rest of the country to catch up with me.

62 mama winger  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:21:46am

re: #61 Nevergiveup

I have chosen my side, I am just waiting for the rest of the country to catch up with me.

I'm on your side. I pray our ranks are swelling.

63 Ojoe  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:23:19am

It is quite obvious that islam is a ready-made excuse and incitement for the self-amplification of all the worst in human nature.

64 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:23:32am

re: #62 mama winger

I'm on your side. I pray our ranks are swelling.

You do know I was talking about our country and not the Cubs? I am a Yankee Fan after all!

65 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:23:40am

More Muslim than Mohammad

66 Maine's Michael  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:24:10am

re: #63 Ojoe

It is quite obvious that islam is a ready-made excuse and incitement for the self-amplification of all the worst in human nature.

That's why there's 18 billion muslims, 2 billion in the USA alone . . . .

67 Shug  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:24:12am

re: #64 Nevergiveup

You do know I was talking about our country and not the Cubs? I am a Yankee Fan after all!

A Rod sips iced coffee

68 amphibian  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:24:28am

re: #27 Sizzlack

Fifty bucks this guy's IQ is no greater than about 70.

And the IQ of someone who reads his crap and decides "yeh, that sounds good!" doesn't have to be above 70. But it doesn't take much brains to pull a trigger or set off a bomb vest.

69 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:25:18am

re: #67 Shug

A Rod sips iced coffee

You lost me on that one? But for the record, I think getting A Rod was the worst trade in Yankee history.

70 Ojoe  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:26:03am

re: #52 debutaunt

On the Good Friday earthquake in Alaska, 1962 IIRC; the main shock lasted for about 5 minutes; there was about a 30 second break in the middle of it.

71 Maine's Michael  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:26:14am

The chickensssssss of Canada's immigration policies, have come hoooooommmmmme, to rooooosssssst.

72 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:27:53am

re: #54 paxnhymn

I agree that calls to violence should not be protected because of some sort of religious exemption. If the authorities are unable to monitor troublesome mosques properly, then the laws need to be remedied.

73 amphibian  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:30:05am

re: #56 zmdavid

Anthropogenic Continental Drift Industrial Nations Threaten Globe Again

That was great! This deserves its own thread!

74 mama winger  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:30:13am

re: #64 Nevergiveup

You do know I was talking about our country and not the Cubs? I am a Yankee Fan after all!

HAHahahaha! LOL! :)

75 Sizzlack  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:32:19am

re: #68 amphibian

And the IQ of someone who reads his crap and decides "yeh, that sounds good!" doesn't have to be above 70. But it doesn't take much brains to pull a trigger or set off a bomb vest.

The thing that bothers me the most about this guy and others like him is how pathetic their brain functioning is. If he had his way he would end up beheading almost the entire world population because they took part in some or another "unislamic activity". They are so stupid and backwards the only way they are able to resolve conflicts is by mass murder. Forget talking, thinking, debating, questioning, resolving...its simply off with your head. He sounds like the freakin Queen of Hearts (it was hearts right?) from Alice in Wonderland.

76 hermeneutics  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:32:24am

re: #56 zmdavid

That's hysterical.

77 Occasional Reader  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:32:52am

re: #73 amphibian

That was great! This deserves its own thread!

"The People's Cube" is frakkin' hilarious. Where else can you buy a "Hillary Clinton Ironed This Shirt" T-shirt?

By the way, there's an opinion piece in the NY Times today indignantly pointing out the Nation of Islam connections of a HILLARY advisor. I love the smell of liberal fratricide in the morning.

78 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:34:26am

re: #68 amphibian

And the IQ of someone who reads his crap and decides "yeh, that sounds good!" doesn't have to be above 70. But it doesn't take much brains to pull a trigger or set off a bomb vest.

I think it is a mistake to fault the intelligence of people who succumb to siren song of Islam like Bell.

What Bell, and those that he is recruiting have in common, is a desire to have a meaningful life by participating in something that is bigger and grander than themselves.

Intelligence has nothing to do with a persons sense of self worth or self purpose.

79 Occasional Reader  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:34:30am

re: #70 Ojoe

there was about a 30 second break in the middle of it.

That was when the eye of the earthquake was passing.

/

80 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:34:56am

re: #77 Occasional Reader

"The People's Cube" is frakkin' hilarious. Where else can you buy a "Hillary Clinton Ironed This Shirt" T-shirt?

By the way, there's an opinion piece in the NY Times today indignantly pointing out the Nation of Islam connections of a HILLARY advisor. I love the smell of liberal fratricide in the morning.

Liberal Fratricide--It doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, but I could learn to love it!

81 DANEgerus  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:34:58am

Has anyone alerted Richard Warman?

jk

It's an ugly day when in Canada a self-serving four-legged Orwellian like Richard Warman can launch state-supported legal attacks on those that dare quote Islamic haters yet ignore those same Islamic haters when they "pronounce death sentences".

82 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:35:27am

Hamas leader uses own family as human shields with predictable results.....
Palestinians: Hamas leader's child killed in Gaza raid


The daughter of a senior member of Hamas was killed and her two siblings and mother were wounded in an exchange of fire with Israel Defense Forces, who surrounded the house Saturday morning, Palestinian security forces said.
....
An IDF spokeswoman confirmed that IDF surrounded the house of a Hamas suspect on Saturday morning.

Armed Palestinians fired from inside the house at the troops while the family was still inside, she said.

83 Occasional Reader  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:35:38am

re: #78 Syrah

I think it is a mistake to fault the intelligence of people who succumb to siren song of Islam like Bell.

psst.... Bell is the guy who wrote the article, not the jihadist scumbag...

84 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:36:55am

re: #83 Occasional Reader

psst.... Bell is the guy who wrote the article, not the jihadist scumbag...

oops,...

That is an embarrassing mistake,

85 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:37:57am

re: #78 Syrah

Intelligence has nothing to do with a persons sense of self worth or self purpose.

Excellent point. Bullies generally don't have much self-esteem. It's why they have to degrade others.

86 realwest  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:37:58am

re: #58 pat Good catch Pat!

BTW - anyone out here ever hear of or see a post by someone who's registered nic is "jones"?!

87 Shug  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:38:02am

re: #84 Syrah

oops,...

That is an embarrassing mistake,

khan job

88 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:38:27am

re: #24 profitsbeard

If Osama is his "hero", this weaselscum should be deported and parachuted into the tribal regions of Pakistan to join his idol.

(GPS tracking suppository mandatory.)

Why waste taxpayers' dollars on a parachute that cannot be recovered?

89 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:38:36am

re: #70 Ojoe

On the Good Friday earthquake in Alaska, 1962 IIRC; the main shock lasted for about 5 minutes; there was about a 30 second break in the middle of it.

Stunning. I was in the Bay Area for the 1989 Loma Prieta and it lasted 15 seconds. I was in a grocery store and it seemed to last much longer, with all the racket from falling glass jars and pumpkins.

90 Occasional Reader  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:39:10am

re: #85 Sharmuta

Excellent point. Bullies generally don't have much self-esteem. It's why they have to degrade others.

Umm... don't know if I agree with that. I think many bullies simply enjoy hurting people, out of... what's the word... *evil*, that's it.

91 Bubbaman  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:39:27am

Since we're on the topid of home grown Jihadis, this important news item has been all but overlooked:

Two American [bigoted word] Jihadis sentenced as part of the Virginia Jihad network.

For information on the original indictment go here.

Apparently, the two pled guilty in a plea bargain deal to assist in prosecution of the other terrorists in exchange for sentences of 20 and 15 years. One of the terrorists, Ibrahim al-Hamdi was a 3rd grade school teacher in MD at the Al Huda school. I wonder what courses he taught - how to slit an Infidel's throat, Explosives 101?

Unfortunately CAIR and MAS were unavailable for comment. A reporter for the WaPo refused to respond to repeated inquiries as to why they ignored this important story in the WOT.

92 Shug  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:39:35am

re: #89 debutaunt

Stunning. I was in the Bay Area for the 1989 Loma Prieta and it lasted 15 seconds. I was in a grocery store and it seemed to last much longer, with all the racket from falling glass jars and pumpkins.


Sounds a lot like my wedding night

93 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:40:06am

re: #78 Syrah

PIMF!

Substituting Khan for the erounously sited Bell.


I think it is a mistake to fault the intelligence of people who succumb to siren song of Islam like Bell Khan.

What Bell Khan, and those that he is recruiting have in common, is a desire to have a meaningful life by participating in something that is bigger and grander than themselves.

Intelligence has nothing to do with a persons sense of self worth or self purpose.

94 mike_trivisonno[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:41:05am
95 Occasional Reader  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:41:55am

re: #94 mike_trivisonno

Buh-bye.

96 Occasional Reader  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:42:59am

re: #94 mike_trivisonno

Clarification: Buh-bye, jackass.

97 realwest  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:43:43am

re: #95 Occasional Reader

Buh-bye.

And don't let the door hit in your ass on the way out.
Ya know those doors are getting expensive to replace!

98 Occasional Reader  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:44:04am

Logging off now from Washington, DC, Our Nation's Pollen Capital.

99 mike_trivisonno  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:45:47am

Is Occasional Reader a muslim?

100 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:50:26am

this asshole is a perfect example of who the canadian hrc should be going after. he is inciting hate and murder. but they won't go after him because they are flat out scared to death of this jihadi.
it's a perverse angle, an implosion of common sense because of fear. the hrc knows it's safe to "prosecute" (persecute) civilized people like ezra levant and mark styen simply because they know they won't get their heads cut off. imagine agent mcgovern, the mush toad, who is in levant's videos, sitting opposite this seething barbarian terrorist. she's not going to take him on, she's going to go after decent people who have spoken up abt. the dangers of these savages. the very one's ruining her country.
fear is an ugly thing when it causes people to turn on the ones they should see as heros. .

101 Dianna  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:51:42am

re: #99 mike_trivisonno

Nope.

You, however, are gone.

102 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:53:53am

re: #85 Sharmuta

Excellent point. Bullies generally don't have much self-esteem. It's why they have to degrade others.

I think that this is something that is not quite as it seems.

For Bullies, their self esteem is measured by how well they can cow and intimidate others. This can be effectively challenged through turning the tables on them, by cowing and intimidating them. Their self esteem is based on something that is demonstratively disprovable, so we will see them "break down" when their super hubristic world view is shattered by a bigger fist thrown by a meaner bastard.

Others for whom their self worth is measured against their sense of virtue, can not be crushed by external violence. Their weakness is within themselves, not without as it is with common thugs and brutes.

Mr. Kahn is much more dangerous than a bully. He is on a mission from god. Nothing can stand in his way. Anything that does, he could piously rationalize as being necessary to destroy.

103 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 10:57:38am

re: #94 mike_trivisonno

You can't get rid of Islam through violence.

Islam must be challenged at its core. [religiously]

Violence has not worked against Islam for the last 14 centuries because violence is its primary sacrament.

104 vapig  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:00:04am

re: #61 Nevergiveup

I have chosen my side, I am just waiting for the rest of the country to catch up with me.

I chose - I think alot of people have chosen. I just wish we could shut up the 5th column which, unfortunately, is in charge of our airwaves. The constant drumbeat is giving me a headache!

105 mike_trivisonno  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:00:28am
You, however, are gone.

I am? I am not sure what that means, but why would one defend a muslim? Especially one that says its ok to kill the brave one who leave islam? Why attack me? I am not spreading islam or flying planes into buildings. Oh wait... you want to be nice.

Good show. Way to save civilization!

106 mike_trivisonno  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:01:23am
You can't get rid of Islam through violence.

Really? I think Vlad would disagree.

107 mike_trivisonno  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:03:02am

I am not the one forcing the choice. I am happy to sit around watching movies and getting stoned. It's the muslims who are forcing the choice. Pay attention.

Islam must be challenged at its core. [religiously]

Islam is not a religion.

108 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:04:34am
109 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:05:01am

re: #106 mike_trivisonno

Really? I think Vlad would disagree.

Vlad only pushed it back for a short time. He did not get rid of it. Islam has outlived Vlad.

110 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:05:19am
111 pat  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:05:40am

Studies consistently show that criminals, thugs, bullies and sociopaths have the highest self-esteem. The lowest self-esteem is among those with the most mentally challenging jobs. Doctors, scientists, researchers, executives, etc. They are always questing themselves.

112 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:06:15am
113 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:07:19am

re: #107 mike_trivisonno

Islam is not a religion.

It is most definitly a religion.

You are not suggestion that Islam is a race, are you?

114 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:08:05am
115 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:09:01am

re: #92 Shug

Sounds a lot like my wedding night

HAHAHAHAHAHAAH - Were you married in October, too?

116 Ojoe  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:11:06am

re: #89 debutaunt

I pulled out my engineering book to check the "IIRC"

From "Construction Failure" by Jacob Feld (Wiley 1968)

"No one knows what the spectrum of the next earthquake will be. Statistically a 45-sec duration of intense shock is a sufficient assumption, yet the Anchorage quake in 1964 continued with fairly uniform intensity for 330 sec." (p.171)

That was a subduction zone quake.

117 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:11:53am

re: #112 ploome hineni

vlad stopped it until the EUROPEANS and BRITISH revived it

and

WE ARE SUPPORTING IT WITH OIL

Vlad only put their Jihad on hold.

Oil, or rather, our giving them money for it, has allowed them to take up where they left off when they were thwarted in their earlier attempt to conquer Europe.

They have merely taken up where they have left off.

118 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:14:37am

re: #112 ploome hineni

vlad stopped it until the EUROPEANS and BRITISH revived it

and

WE ARE SUPPORTING IT WITH OIL

Islam is more then just a political theory. It is much bigger. Islam is a totalitarian religion. It allows for no separation of church and state.

Islam demands theocracy. It is not the first or only religion to do so.

119 realwest  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:16:21am

re: #99 mike_trivisonno
NO and neither am I; we just don't believe in genocide, nor does Charles.

120 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:18:08am
121 realwest  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:18:12am

re: #101 Dianna Apparently not - gotta report his comment I reckon -all the hall Lizard Monitors must be out to lunch or something and Charles is no doubt preparing to skewar Bill White (from last thread).

122 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:18:50am

by their own admission, islam is not here to be equal, it is here to dominate.
that's their bottom line. they can't stop pushing for this. and if you look around the world you see how countries are overrun either quickly thru war or as is happening in europe, and here, more slowly thru "soft" jihad.

123 Dianna  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:20:20am

re: #121 realwest

I've reported pretty much every comment he's made.

Now I have to go do housework.

Take good care, realwest.

124 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:20:55am
125 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:22:02am
126 realwest  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:22:09am

re: #110 ploome hineni
Ploome I'm genuinely surprised at your response.
He's advocating that we murder all Muslims. All of them and to justify it he refers to our carpetbombing of Nazi Germany in WW II.
He does conveniently over look the fact, however, that we carpetbombed a NATION that had declared War on US.
Muslims are not a country nor is Islam limited to countries in the Middle East or Africa.
Calling for the killing of all Muslims is no different, morally, than calling for the murder of all red-heads or all Christians or Jews.

127 realwest  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:22:41am

I'm outta here.
Hope to see you down the road.

128 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:22:41am
129 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:23:04am
130 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:24:17am

re: #120 ploome hineni

yes of course

islam can only be controlled

it may be impossible to eradicate

That is most likely true.

There are even today, people who call themselves Wiccans.

Islam offers the easiest and most impulsively seductive form of Salvation that I know of. Die while killing infidels, and go to heaven, a heaven of carnal delights, a perpetual drunken orgy. (a devil's heaven if there ever was one.)

131 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:24:54am

re: #124 ploome hineni

what other 'religion' demands perpetual war with non believers?

what other 'religon' demands the humilation of and subjugation of people of other religions?

what other 'religion' demands ransom form non believers in order to live?

islam is a vile criminal enterprise masquerading as religion

and what other "religion" threatens, w/ death, those who decide to worship elsewhere? chop.

132 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:25:06am
133 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:26:23am
134 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:29:32am
135 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:30:28am

re: #124 ploome hineni

what other 'religion' demands perpetual war with non believers?

what other 'religon' demands the humilation of and subjugation of people of other religions?

what other 'religion' demands ransom form non believers in order to live?

islam is a vile criminal enterprise masquerading as religion

The religion of the Aztecs fits the bill for all of those.

A religion can be totalitarian, meaning that it demands that religion effectively run the state. There have been many of these throughout human history.

Every state that had god-kings was a theocracy. The Pharoh's were god-kings.

If you look at Islam as merely as a political construct, you will not see its full scope.

136 Ojoe  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:33:10am

re: #135 Syrah

The Conquistadors took care of the elites of the Aztecs; the survivors saw the light and became Christians; something similar will probably happen IMHO.

137 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:33:19am

re: #132 ploome hineni

what has worked?

If anything tried so far had "worked", we would not be in the situation that we are in today.

138 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:36:10am

re: #136 Ojoe

The Conquistadors took care of the elites of the Aztecs; the survivors saw the light and became Christians; something similar will probably happen IMHO.

Who are the "elites" of Islam on par with the god-king of the Aztecs?

We can't kill Mohammad.

The Mahdi will come soon enough.

That is when things will get really interesting.

139 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:40:43am

re: #114 ploome hineni

It gives rock, paper, scissors a whole new meaning doesn't it. But just make sure you use the manditory 3 rocks.

140 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:42:09am
141 Ojoe  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:44:39am

re: #138 Syrah

Well any imam who spouts hate is one of their elite

142 Stringart  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:45:07am
“ ‘Support our Troops’ means supporting the mujahideen [Muslim soldiers of God] who are fighting for their freedom and rights against illegal occupation in many, many places over the world like Afghanistan, Iraq, Chechnya, Kashmir, Palestine and Somalia,” he said later in an e-mail.

You can support your troops anytime you want, you execrable POS, just as long as you get the F out of my country. NOW.

143 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:47:48am
144 DownRightMeanAmerican  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:48:09am

re: #53 Killgore Trout

These old houses sway pretty good in an earthquake. It's a buzz enhancer.

And if you really want to have fun, when the EQ starts, start running down the hall and jump into the air, it’s the weirdest sensation I have ever had.

145 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:49:10am

re: #140 ploome hineni

:)

what is your point? to teach me about islam?

what is it you think I do not know?

why do you answer every question with a question?

how basic do I have to present the question, on how low a level?

when was the last time islam was (temporriy) halted?

what caused that?

simple enough for you?

So now we are looking for a "(temporary)" solution?

If all that is desired is to halt Islam for a short time, then the sword is good enough, so long as you have the will to hack enough heads and swim in enough blood to make it effective.

That is a no go.

Genocide is not something that the west can tolerate, especially from within itself.

146 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:51:37am

re: #141 Ojoe

Well any imam who spouts hate is one of their elite

No imam is on par with the god-king of the Aztecs.

An Imam killed by an infidel only reinforces the Sacrament of Islam.

147 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:56:15am
148 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:57:52am

re: #116 Ojoe

I pulled out my engineering book to check the "IIRC"

From "Construction Failure" by Jacob Feld (Wiley 1968)

"No one knows what the spectrum of the next earthquake will be. Statistically a 45-sec duration of intense shock is a sufficient assumption, yet the Anchorage quake in 1964 continued with fairly uniform intensity for 330 sec." (p.171)

That was a subduction zone quake.

Stop Plate Tectonics!

149 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:59:20am

in every country where islam has crept in, the infidel citizens eventually reach a point where they have to submit, fight or run. not good options from the ropma.

150 Ojoe  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:00:53pm

re: #149 nyc redneck

The ROP will eventually lose due to the asymmetry of actual military strengths.

151 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:03:33pm

re: #147 ploome hineni

Interesting article.

About what I would expect from them.

So what of it?

Do you read it as something that justifies committing genocide against Muslims?

152 ShumBaayaMyLord  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:05:21pm

I'm with ploome hineni

I arrived too late to this thread to see the original #94 comment that was deleted, but the author's subsequent comments seem eminently supportable.

I don't understand why Dianna would have reported. Into the bargain, it seems to me that realwest (#126) is -- however good his intentions may be -- not fairly characterizing either ploome hineni's views or her defense of the commenter at issue.

Look, even someone with as left-leaning credentials as Benny Morris (the Israeli historian) has just come out with a tome on the Israeli war of independence (the book is titled "1948" and no I'm not shilling for Morris or the book) in which his major argument is that the Arab effort to strangle the nascent Jewish State was through and through characterized -- by the Arab leadership -- as a jihad incumbent upon all in the Islamic umma. Morris points to all the Arab violence preceding the 1948 conflict (e.g., the 1929 and 1936 Mufti-led pogroms) as being termed "jihad" by the same Arab leadership; and he contends that the character of jihad has never fallen away from the Arab efforts at onslaught, even in more blatantly cynical political follow-on conflicts such as the 1973 Yom Kippur War. Morris goes on to argue that the Israeli leadership from 1948 onward was blind to this jihadist aspect, which has meant that the Israeli leadership has tended to do a poor job of educating the Israeli public as to why the conflict with the Arabs will be a very long slog (i.e., as long as the Arabs persist in jihad) and that everyone just has to buckle down and dispense with "Peace Now"-type illusions.

This is the situation we've got globally, and it's not in the least bit recent in nature. The jihadist mindset is pervasive. The Muslims we in the West can truly pursue a live-and-let-live approach with tend to be mostly "un-Islamic" in their lifestyles and outlook, including lacking a will to dominate and subjugate the rest of us. You could perhaps term them "Post-Jihadi."

Which is to say that we're looking at a numbingly huge majority in the Islamic world who are Jihadi, or who at best can't see much wrong with what the Jihadi-next-door is pursuing. Which puts the question on us: What are we willing to do? What are the limits of our not doing anything, and why would we not do anything?

153 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:06:15pm

re: #150 Ojoe

The ROP will eventually lose due to the asymmetry of actual military strengths.

and i do think they will force a clash before they sufficiently infiltrate and out number us.

154 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:06:47pm
155 Etaoin Shrdlu  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:08:02pm

46. (1) Every one commits high treason who, in Canada,
(c) assists an enemy at war with Canada, or any armed forces against whom Canadian Forces are engaged in hostilities

156 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:09:26pm
157 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:10:26pm
158 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:13:15pm
159 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:19:20pm

re: #154 ploome hineni

we just have to destroy their oil fields, and stop feeding them, and healing them, and wipeing their ass

then nature can take care if itself

the population of soddie in 1950 was approx 3,916,000

the population of soddie in 1980 was approx 9,372,000

the population of soddie in 2000 was approx 22,023,500

they cannot feed themselves, educate doctors, teachers, build cars, airplanes, computers, phones, sunglasses

we are nurturing those who would to destroy us

I like the idea of depriving them of their Oil money. It would be a little difficult to do. Too many other parties would see any attempt by us to deprive them of those oil sources as a justifiable excuse to launch a nuclear war against us, or at the very least seize those oilfields for themselves, which would also likely lead to a nuclear exchange amongst themselves and us.

Its not like the Chinese, Russians or Indians would just sit on their asses and look the other way.

That is a no go too.

As for all of those Muslims that live outside of the the oil countries, taking away that oil revenue would mean next to nothing to them financially, and would be seen as further proof of their need to fight those who are oppressing them, and as confirmation of their Quranic world view.

So as much as I like the idea of depriving them of their oil fields, it does not seem to offer much but more problems.

160 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:23:35pm
161 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:26:16pm

re: #156 ploome hineni

how do we stop islam from committing genocide against us?

that is the question

By challenging and attacking the religion of Islam directly.

do you consider our self preservation and self defense 'genocide' against muslims?

The religion of Islam considers it so. It is important for the West to come to grips with that. It is hugely important.

is your name achmed or feisal?

(The personal insults are unnecessary Ploome.)

162 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:27:45pm

re: #158 ploome hineni

right now, the danger to civilized people from the ropma is not perceived as great enough, to justify a total crushing blow. but the jackals are being watched and their behavior will dictate their future.

even hillary said the other day, if iran nukes israel, we will take them out. of course she could be blustering but she said the words.

163 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:28:29pm
164 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:30:33pm
165 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:31:01pm

re: #163 ploome hineni

and why do you consider this an insult?

Why would you ask "is your name achmed or feisal?" if not to insult?

Seriously ploome, why all of the venom?

166 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:34:15pm

re: #164 ploome hineni

attacking islam, is not a good idea

like all cults, islam teaches that all non muslims are against them, and attcking islam plays right into their paranoia

us against them

let the muslims live true islam, to understand the shit that includes

I would have to disagree.

I think that would should challenge the source of their beliefs.

We don't have to resort to genocide. We don't have to resort to apartheid solutions.

167 Charles  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:35:36pm

If anyone posting comments at this blog thinks I'm going to allow the advocation of mass deportations or mass murder to deal with the problem of extremism, you have another think coming.

Not only do I NOT support either of those measures (and they're the same thing, really, because you could never carry out mass deportation without mass murder), I'm not willing to have my reputation dragged through the mud just to indulge this kind of over the top raving, from commenters who are essentially anonymous.

If you think it's that important to call for these kinds of things, start your own web site, and then you can get all the credit for it.

168 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:38:18pm
169 Charles  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:40:27pm

ploome: if you don't take a step back and stop firing off, I'm going to give you a timeout. I don't need this headache right now.

170 Syrah  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:41:21pm

re: #168 ploome hineni

I'm sorry ploome.

I can despise Islam and not hate Muslims.

I don't think that we can or should go any further with this at this time.

171 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:41:22pm
172 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:42:41pm
173 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:43:02pm
174 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:59:36pm
175 Maine's Michael  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 1:00:50pm

re: #167 Charles

If you think it's that important to call for these kinds of things, start your own web site, and then you can get all the credit for it.

Charles, it's your right to have your blog stay on whatever side of whatever line you choose, of course, and you have been generous and tolerant beyond what anybody can expect, and have taken many hits and threats for fighting the good fight.

It is also one thing for armchair strategists to call for war and deportations in against muslims, and quite another for Jews, essentially all of whom have suffered family losses to those who have planned and carried out genocide against us, to call for it in self defense.

It is not true that population transfers must necessarily be accompanied by violence and death. Many, many population tranfers have occurred over history, many millions in the aftermath of WW2, and tens of millions when Pakistan was created.

The myth of the moderate muslim is just that. While most muslims, worldwide, have never met a Jew, are are far more concerned with getting food on the table for their families and staying out of the way of the 'Big Man' who rules, the arabs who call themselves 'palestinians' represent the point of the spear of ther arab muslim world, and that spear has one purpose only - the destruction of Israel and the murder of the Jews, who have defied the Islamic prophesies and Islamic world order by returning to their land.

Israel will never be tolerated as long as Islam exists in its present form, which is our lifetime and that of our children, and likely their children as well.

There is no solution but transfer. They cannot make a go of a state on the bits of land left over after Jordan was carved out and Israel established, and furthermore, they have no desire to do anything except destroy the Jews.

It is moral and just to call for their transfer out of the region, away from proximity to the people they exist for only to destroy.

Transfer is a very far cry from genocide.

If Ploome has called for genocide, that would be very, very wrong.

I hope she has not.

176 Joan Not of Arc  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 1:09:24pm

People like Khan clearly resenting being Canada and utterly despise everything it stands for until someone gives them something. That is the only reason why HE and people like him stay. He is allowed his loose lips because a good deal of people are morally and intellectually lazy. That is not everyone, chiefly the brave men and women who struggle to give Afghani girls a chance to read and write. All a loser like Khan does is hide and bad-mouth people from a distance. He is welcome to leave. I'm sure the Canadian taxpayer would have no problem paying for his one way ticket back to a hell-hole without running water, security or welfare payments.

177 Shay4l  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 1:18:36pm

Obviously, the HRC is a joke if this clown never gets thrown in the dock.

178 Charles  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 1:21:35pm

re: #175 Maine's Michael

If you're talking about the population transfer of Palestinians, that's a separate subject from calling for the mass expulsions of all Muslims from Western countries.

And it's equally unlikely to ever be a reality.

179 Charles  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 1:22:39pm

ploome: I didn't say you were calling for genocide - I wasn't referring to you. There's a poster who just lost his account above.

180 scaramouche  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 1:31:16pm
181 akak  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 1:38:47pm
So I looked around a bit and found that there is indeed official Department guidance [I emphasize "guidance," not a ban of any kind] for talking about terrorism with those pesky foreigners. What's more, it says pretty much what Jihad Watch alleges: that officials should avoid using various terms that would have unintended effects, one of those terms is "Jihad," and one of the unintended effects of using it would be to legitimize our enemies actions in the mind of our audience.

But it's not just those automatically-suspect diplomats who think that way. Here's General Petraeus' aide David Kilcullen calling for that same "new lexicon." In fact, calls for a new lexicon originated in the Defense world; see this, and this, for background on what Jihad Watch denounces as the "Streusand/Guirard claim," and also see this for a fair explanation of that claim from an opposing viewpoint.

Having followed the footprints of this "new lexicon" through the bureaucratic forest, I can tell you that it started with Defense intellectuals, took a side trip through Homeland Security, then went to the National Counterterrorism Center for message development, which messages were then vetted by the interagency Counterterrorism Communications Center [see page 3 of this for background on the CCC], and finally it was boiled down into a Department of State memo that offers a set of non-binding suggestions regarding appropriate language to use with target audiences. That humble memo is presumably the smoking gun that so impressed Jihad Watch's reliable source

[Link: skepticalbureaucrat.blogspot.com...]

182 Maine's Michael  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 1:45:27pm

re: #178 Charles

I'll play Nostradamus. This is an easy one, though.

Europe will likely revert to form and one day concentrate and deport its muslims, and they will be lucky to be deported.

The arab muslim world, to the extent it is a political block with its head in the wahhabi clergy (and this is the active form of Islam at work in the west, the remainder too lazy or timid to say otherwise), is truly guilty of almost every accusation the Nazis falsely leveled at the Jews.

In so far as that is true, they will deserve what happens to them far more that the Jews deserved what happened to them.

Unless Mark Steyn in right and Europe will be too geriatric to defend itself, when the time comes.

The muscle flexing of the fascist right wing in Europe has already begun, however.

Anyhow, when Europe starts deporting its own muslims, Israel can start transferring theirs.

Barring a mega attack, it is unlikely to happen before then.

183 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 1:51:45pm
184 boazhorribilis  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 1:55:52pm

Islam is a cancerous infringement on the Western ossature. The sooner and more radical approach to deal with it, the better the chances of the West of surviving as a free and civilized society.
No mass deportations, but the removal of parasitic bodies from the host is the precondition of helping its survival.

185 Charles  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 2:13:04pm

Nice. "Cancer and parasites" talk, right after I said I wasn't going to allow my reputation to be smeared by people who can't stop themselves from mouthing off.

186 darkster2400  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 2:38:49pm

we're heading right for the dumpster here in Canada -just like our English parents - where is the CHRC when you really need them?

187 darkster2400  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 2:40:53pm

great letter about this in today's National Post - Throw the guy out

188 darkster2400  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 2:44:14pm

also very good columns by Robert Fulford - Fulford, Conrad Black, and David Frum - Frum

189 joan  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 3:05:57pm

And yet, it is Mark Steyn who is threatened with hate speech reprisals, brought before the Human Rights Commission for mindcrime, and the possibility of being sentenced never to "speak write or communicate publicly" on doubleplus ungood mindcrime topics.
Oh, Canada. The silence from your intelligentsia is more disturbing than the ululating millions. We must hang together, or we will surely all be hanged separately

190 Ojoe  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 3:23:15pm

re: #185 Charles

Charles I so admire your patience. You must have a good sense of how you are supposed to be doing what you have been doing with your blog, in the big picture of all that is seen and unseen.

Ave, Salve.

Latin meanings

191 BabbaZee  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 3:41:58pm

ossature!

DRINK!

192 Charles  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 3:57:23pm

re: #191 BabbaZee

ossature!

DRINK!

It's a French word, meaning framework or skeleton.

193 rorschach  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 4:14:44pm

Free speech has become dangerous with no restraints.

This khan jerk is crying "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre. But it is now politically incorrect to point that out.

194 BabbaZee  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 4:53:51pm

re: #192 Charles

I know

I just found his use of it amusing

195 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 7:05:44pm

re: #193 rorschach

Free speech has become dangerous with no restraints.

This khan jerk is crying "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre. But it is now politically incorrect to point that out.

The problem is that in Canada there are too many restrictions. Mr. Gora is right about most of what he says, but not about "Hate Crimes". Those who pronounce death sentences should instead be charged with incitement and locked up for as long as the law allows.

196 Kalak  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 7:35:26pm

No mosques in New Hampsha yet, especially since the only time they tried, they wanted to build at night (pissing off neighbors), and invited, as keynote speaker, a radical imam who was a character witness for the "blind sheik" (pissing off everyone in the area!).

But there's plenty of people who are armed, here, and would quickly put down any jihadist in a hail of various military and hunting calibers.

Hopefully that's how it'll stay.

197 Kalak  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 7:37:16pm

re: #193 rorschach

Canada does not have free speech. Canada has a tribunal that is still bringing charges against someone for republishing the Danish cartoons.

Canada is a PC dhimmi state. Unfortunately, it'll probably take something like a successful terrorist attack knocking down the CN tower before they wake up.

198 ShumBaayaMyLord  Sun, Apr 27, 2008 2:40:03am

Better a working, living ossature than ending up in an ossuary...

199 BabbaZee  Sun, Apr 27, 2008 4:38:14am

re: #198 ShumBaayaMyLord

True.

I just find it amusing when people dress up their most basic limbic urges in large, obscure or foreign words.

Primarily they are doing it to fool themselves,
Or shield them from criticism,
but in many cases it is done consciously to fool you

Die MFers Die
would have accomplished exactly the same "idea"
as


#184 boazhorribilis 4/26/08 1:55:52 pm reply quote report -9

Islam is a cancerous infringement on the Western ossature. The sooner and more radical approach to deal with it, the better the chances of the West of surviving as a free and civilized society.
No mass deportations, but the removal of parasitic bodies from the host is the precondition of helping its survival.



As if Helen Thomas would look any more beautiful under a brand new leopard skin pillbox hat....

200 Stringart  Sun, Apr 27, 2008 8:10:11am

re: #197 Kalak

Canada does not have free speech. Canada has a tribunal that is still bringing charges against someone for republishing the Danish cartoons.

Canada is a PC dhimmi state. Unfortunately, it'll probably take something like a successful terrorist attack knocking down the CN tower before they wake up.

If facts are still considered useful things...

You're both right and wrong about free speech. Section 2 of the Charter guarantees it. However, Section 1 allows for "reasonable limits", whatever they might be.

The federal HRC is not bringing charges against anyone for the Motoons; the complaint was brought before the Alberta HRC and no decision has been made as to whether actual charges will be laid.

Many Canadians, unfortunately in positions of influence, are so PC their brains have fallen out but just as many Canadians aren't slaves to PC. As for the dhimmi state, that's so patently stupid, it doesn't need addressing.

Again, you're right - many Canadians may not wake up until the CN Tower is attacked but keep in mind, many Americans didn't wake up after 9/11. Idiocy knows no borders.

201 gutneshama  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 12:52:07pm

Canadians are slowing losing their freedom of speech. In 2006, I was fired from the Hospital for Sick Children for commenting about a recent Islamic terrorist attack to a colleague while I was in the ladies room. Another girl heard me and told my boss, who promptly FIRED me. I was shocked, especially since he was a fellow Conservative. It seems that only terrorists have the right to free speech anymore.


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